John Ferguson, Chief Executive Officer of Saxon Aerospace, joins us about the drone story, and John McGuire, as well, former CIA analyst, we dive deep into the Drone story here on the Charlie Kirk Show with John Ferguson!
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00:03:22.000So I spoke to a gentleman a few months ago who was trying to raise an alarm to the highest levels of our government, which they had their ears closed, about this one particular nuclear warhead that he physically put his hands on.
00:03:42.000He physically touched this warhead that was left over from Ukraine.
00:03:47.000And he knew that that thing was headed towards the United States.
00:04:14.000And by the way, I saw you and Tucker here in Wichita a few months ago, so I really enjoyed that.
00:04:21.000Yeah, I'm sorry to hear that Kansas State University didn't treat you very well.
00:04:27.000You know, I'm still paying Casey's son.
00:04:32.000So, uh, now, so, you know, I have, um, you know, a small political footprint and, you know, you and I know some similar people and, and, um, You know, as a manufacturer of unmanned systems, you know, some of the comments and other stories out there that have been done on me in the last couple of days are a little inaccurate.
00:04:56.000I'm not a government-backed organization or anything like that, but again, I wanted to make sure I made that very clear, but You know, these folks knew that I had ties or I knew people in elevated positions here in the country and they wanted me to help them try to get awareness started over this,
00:05:20.000you know, nuclear munition or this nuclear payload that this guy physically was in an Eastern, a small A country on the eastern block of Europe.
00:05:33.000He physically put his hands on this and he knew that that was supposed to be heading to the United States.
00:05:38.000This guy came back here to the States and he's like, hey everybody, there's this stuff going on.
00:05:45.000Let's do something to raise awareness.
00:06:13.000When I saw these drone videos and I saw the hysteria going on about these drones and wondering if they were nefarious or if they were Iran's drones or anybody else's, I just felt compelled to do my first ever TikTok video.
00:07:05.000We have radioactive material sniffers on our unmanned aircraft.
00:07:10.000That's absolutely a capability of an unmanned aircraft.
00:07:14.000And if you look at what these drones are doing, there is some conflicting stories, but they seem to be trying to follow the FAA guidelines.
00:07:28.000If they had a nefarious intent, then they wouldn't have nav lights on them.
00:07:32.000But they're concerned about obviously hitting other manned aircraft in such a busy airspace area.
00:07:40.000But it is a very successful operation or a very successful capability to be able to detect gases or other materials on the ground.
00:07:51.000We have what we call methane detection systems where we mount them on our unmanned aircraft and we fly along pipelines and we can very accurately pick out pretty much almost 100% of every single gas leak.
00:08:06.000Now, these drones are flying at night because they seem to be flying undercover and they do not want their The shape of the drone to be well known because then you can track down what manufacturer is actually producing the aircraft, right?
00:08:23.000So they seem to be following some rules.
00:08:27.000There's no reason really to be flying an unmanned aircraft at night unless you have a very specific purpose.
00:08:35.000Because with a standard camera on a drone, you can't see anything at night unless you're using thermal optics or some form of sensor like that.
00:08:44.000They're flying at night also because the winds are down.
00:08:48.000They're not as aggressive as they are during the day.
00:08:50.000So you would get a much more accurate reading at night when you're trying to smell chemicals or some type of gas.
00:09:02.000Based on what you are seeing from these videos, are you able to decipher that they are American-made, American-sourced, and they're not foreign drones?
00:09:11.000Are there defining configuration characteristics, or is it not clear based on the videos you've seen?
00:09:18.000Most of the videos that I have seen are not...
00:09:25.000Really very helpful in trying to determine who the very specific manufacturer is.
00:09:31.000There are some photographs and videos out there of drones flying that is like, yeah, well, we know who that is, right?
00:09:39.000But I couldn't really give a definitive answer on who specifically is the manufacturer of that aircraft.
00:09:47.000I just couldn't give you a very accurate assessment on that.
00:09:54.000But I do very firmly believe that these are absolutely not nefarious and from another country without us knowing the reason behind those aircraft.
00:10:37.000I believe that some folks are out there.
00:10:39.000I've seen some thermal imaging where people have actually shot videos of...
00:10:44.000Aircraft that they thought were drones and they actually turned out, with the heat signatures, they actually turned out to be manned aircraft.
00:10:52.000There's a mix of multi-copters, which are the vertical takeoff type drones, like, you know, quadcopters you get at Best Buy, but only much larger.
00:11:00.000And then there's also a mixture of fixed-wing aircraft that I've been able to see.
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00:12:13.000Let's try to challenge the assumption.
00:12:15.000What other explanations could it be here?
00:12:17.000And is there any chance that this is just people in hysterics just going bonkers over nothing?
00:12:24.000No, I think that people are going absolutely crazy over this thing because of the huge unknown.
00:12:31.000And if you see in the video, I said this has the potential to be what it actually could be.
00:12:36.000I know that makes really doesn't make a lot of sense.
00:12:38.000But, you know, the potential is if this is a worst case scenario, then I felt compelled, you know, to really just say, hey, look, wait, time out, everybody time out.
00:12:54.000And I went over on the second and third video, I went over technically why they're not coming out of the water.
00:13:00.000They're not coming off of a large vessel off the coast, unless they're a certain type of drone.
00:13:08.000But, you know, I didn't want to spread fear and panic.
00:13:13.000I just wanted to give a technical expert's advice You know, opinion on why they are not something that you really need to be concerned about as far as really nefarious intent.
00:13:28.000It's actually what they're looking for that I think is what we should be concerned about.
00:13:32.000You know, so again, as I stated before, there's no reason for all of these drones to be flying in this pattern with this many aircraft out there.
00:13:44.000There's no real reason for that unless you're very specifically looking for something.
00:13:49.000And that something has to be so damned important that you're going to cause a nationwide or now a worldwide crisis.
00:14:23.000The drones have a very specific reason and it better be a very specific Good reason to cause all of this panic, you know, in the United States to be flying these drones out there.
00:14:37.000So again, what they're looking for, I think has to be very important.
00:14:43.000I can't say that, you know, specifically.
00:14:46.000Yeah, for a layman like myself and most of the audience, if someone were to have a dirty bomb or a remnant of that, does that leave a trail of radioactivity almost definitionally?
00:15:00.000Or is it a little bit murkier than that?
00:15:03.000I am not an expert, but I've been on the phone with a lot of people here lately, and they had one really nice lady who said that they probably have U-2 spy planes that were specifically designed for I don't know if they would leave some type of a radioactive snail trail.
00:15:21.000I would say that they're very well contained because if they are leaving some type of a snail trail, then you're going to have a line of people that are going to have You know, cancer from the whole entire duration of this, the journey of this particular asset.
00:15:37.000So, I don't believe, but I'm not, again, I'm not a radioactive, I'm not a nuclear expert, I'm a drone expert, so...
00:15:46.000So if I were to guess, I would say that my hypothesis would be that they would not be leaving a snail trail, but you would have to be over the source in order to find it.
00:16:06.000Because I kind of rolled my eyes at first at the story because there's just so much of these stories that end up not manifesting to something worthy of attention.
00:16:13.000How long has this been going on and is it ongoing as of last night?
00:16:18.000I spoke to the guys last night and I said, look, now that we have the spotlight, unfortunately or fortunately or whatever, we need to follow this through and we need to get somebody's attention to say, hey, let's work together to go find...
00:17:40.000John, the audience right now is very worried about what they are seeing over New Jersey, New York, spreading to other states.
00:17:47.000What is your theory as to what is happening in the skies of America right now?
00:17:52.000Well, Charlie, thank you for the opportunity to join you today.
00:17:55.000There's some fresh material that just came in to...
00:18:00.000Through people that I know that are in the foreign field and keeping track of this, that now there's issues with drones on the southwestern side of San Diego and in that area, Ventura County, as well as some issues that happened last night in Virginia Beach with drones as well.
00:18:20.000It's a huge problem when you have the federal government speaking officially The Secretary of Homeland Security, Mr. Mayorkas, and they're in complete conflict with the state guidance that's given out by the governor of New Jersey.
00:18:35.000Regardless of what is said, the American public knows that the federal system and the state system are on different pages, and that leads any thinking person to believe that someone is lying.
00:18:48.000Which side is lying is anybody's guess, but there's a long history of the federal government misleading the public and to say that there is no danger, that there's nothing to worry about, and these are not a threat, and then have the guidance come out from the state that says if you see a drone that has crashed or is in your immediate vicinity,
00:19:09.000call the bomb squad, the fire department, and the fire department will respond as it's a hazmat site because you don't know what is on The drone that may have dropped out of the sky.
00:19:20.000And there is confusion and growing concern and anger within the public.
00:19:26.000And this is part of the rupture of the public trust.
00:19:30.000So, do you think they are foreign in origination or domestic?
00:19:37.000I think the United States has operational platforms in the air.
00:19:41.000There are large drones that are operated by the U.S. government that carry sniffer technology and they look for things in the air that you might have in a post- Incident or post-blast event that they would be able to find out what it is.
00:19:57.000You wouldn't have to fly a manned aircraft through a cloud.
00:20:01.000But mixed in with that are a whole lot of other drones that no one is talking about from the federal level, like they don't exist, but they do exist.
00:20:46.000And those are all within immediate striking distance of the California border and Vandenberg Air Force Base, where we have a tremendous amount of national assets that are critical to the defense of the country and for early warning.
00:21:01.000It doesn't bode well for the foolishness that we see in explanations from senior executives for the U.S. federal government.
00:21:11.000Yeah, and they're not being very clear about what they're doing in the sky.
00:21:16.000So if you were to speculate then, if they were Iranian in nature, what would they be doing over our skies just...
00:21:48.000It's just a matter of time before we have some type of a mishap with aircraft and drones that are in airspace and they move so quickly they can move vertically, change altitude, and no one's really keeping track of or directing the lanes of traffic.
00:22:05.000But the fact that the Iranians are here, if you have Iranian drones operating and they're mixed in with other U.S. platforms, and the Chinese can operate platforms like that that are good-sized platforms, You have the ability to photograph, see, take visual observation.
00:22:24.000You can have cell phone relays on there.
00:22:26.000There's a lot of material that goes on a drone.
00:22:29.000And they refined that test when they did the balloon operation.
00:22:34.000The balloon operation that floated across the northern United States It was, I think, a test operation.
00:22:40.000They wanted to see what the reaction would be.
00:22:42.000But the thing that disturbed me the most about that when you have drones now over the system is there were delivery racks slung in those balloon rigs that we witnessed the shoot down.
00:22:56.000When that material was recovered from the ocean, You could see clearly the delivery racks, but they were empty.
00:23:04.000They wouldn't fly an empty rack, which is a heavy thing that is controlled by the balloon electronically for you to deliver things and drop things from the balloon.
00:23:16.000And we don't know what was in those racks and no one seems curious about it in the federal government to find out or to release what was in those racks.
00:23:27.000And if you drop things from those racks, it's a passive activity.
00:23:33.000And a lot of them can go in the ground just from terminal velocity of falling from the sky.
00:23:38.000But they can be electronic collection devices, relays.
00:23:42.000Lots of things can be delivered by balloons.
00:23:45.000And you can deliver the same things from a drone, but you can arm a drone.
00:23:49.000And if you have a camera on it and you can see, you can use it as a flyable platform that's accurate and precise in its targeting.
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00:25:03.000So the Iranians, we know they want to assassinate President Trump.
00:25:07.000Are you suggesting that these might be here on a nefarious mission to try to assassinate President Trump before certification day on January the 6th?
00:25:16.000Charlie, that's the million dollar question, because some of the things that people like me have, and it's nothing magical about me, it's the fact that there has been a transition of trust and a loss of trust, not only within the US government system and the population of the US, but especially between foreign Friendly Liaison Services and other groups that operate overseas and the CIA at large.
00:25:43.000And our presence overseas is not robustly and aggressively pursuing human operations.
00:25:50.000But there are people all over the world that remember their own, the case officers that they met along the way and have reached out.
00:25:59.000There are also people reaching out to people like me that are good officers with reputations within the system.
00:26:06.000Because they trust us and they're inside the government now, our government, explaining what they've been asked to do and what is actually going on.
00:26:16.000And there is, I believe, very solid intelligence that the Iranians have committed to people inside our system that they intend to ensure that President Trump is not there on the 20th of January.
00:26:33.000I look at Iran, a lot of people dismiss them, you know, they're just foreigners and they say all kinds of blustery things and everything.
00:26:40.000Political assassination, the word assassin is a Persian word.
00:26:44.000They invented political assassination.
00:26:47.000They invented the car bomb as a political tool.
00:26:51.000They invented kidnapping and operational use of their people to change policies.
00:27:15.000They assassinated Hariri and one of the most complicated Operational things I've ever seen done that required two years of link analysis to unravel what they actually did to vector a truck bomb into an up-armored Mercedes limo that was in a group of nine identical limos,
00:27:37.000yet they vectored the truck bomb against Hariri's car at the right time in the right place and killed the president of Lebanon in a massive explosion.
00:28:04.000But the Iranians understand if you have a level nine limousine, You just need a bigger bomb.
00:28:12.000It's not to blow up the car, but if the car isn't on its wheels anymore, if it's upside down or on its side, you have essentially achieved your goal.
00:28:23.000You have frozen your target on the X. And if you need to, you can come up with another bomb that comes in and goes off again, right next to it.
00:28:35.000They are determined And they hate President Trump because of what happened with Qasem Soleimani.
00:28:42.000To think that they're not going to try is just folly.
00:28:45.000They will try and they will keep trying until they succeed.
00:28:50.000They're not going to withdraw the fatwa for the killing of Qasem Soleimani.
00:28:55.000So just how serious is Iran about avenging the death of Soleimani?
00:29:00.000I mean, if they were to successfully, God forbid, assassinate one of our leaders, that would result in a ferocious response.
00:29:09.000Is Iran really ready for that kind of vertical escalation?
00:29:12.000I'm not sure that they're overly concerned about it because they can absorb an awful lot of punishment if that's what happens.
00:29:20.000But I'm not convinced, unless we have a different administration in place, that there would be an overwhelming response.
00:29:28.000There could be so much confusion in the air sown by the fact that you've got all these drones and there's multiple targets.
00:29:34.000You've created a narrative that is confusing the public now.
00:29:38.000What you feed into that narrative, if you have the opportunity after and a post event You can feed in more confusion, more facts, more blame, diversify the blame.
00:29:51.000There's a lot of avenues for how to do a deception program that the U.S. is sensitive.
00:30:25.000At the root of a lot of this is that we inherently do not trust our government or our intel services.
00:30:29.000What can President Trump do to rebuild the trust and the fidelity that we have to the intel community?
00:30:37.000Charlie, that's an outstanding question because we have reached the level now where you have an entire generation of young people.
00:30:45.000My kids are grown, but they're in their 30s.
00:30:47.000And they said something to me a while ago that said, you know, Dad, we have never seen or experienced the America that you grew up in.
00:30:56.000We have only seen turmoil, chaos, lying, corruption, and all kinds of mess come out of Washington.
00:31:03.000And what President Trump has managed to do by getting elected, he has just swept in a fresh air blast Into what is a very dark and horrible place in Washington, D.C. He is looked at, especially by the younger generation, as somebody that may be able to pull this thing around and fix it.
00:31:28.000A lot of his conditions for success were set by his victory, but the way he's trying to populate his cabinet is one of the best things you can do.
00:31:38.000Bringing in people like Pete Hegseth to run the Pentagon, Amaryllis Kennedy to be a high official in the agency.
00:31:50.000And when you're inside the system and you're working for both of them, for Hegseth and for Amaryllis, when you are between 10 and 15 years when you leave, you are a journeyman level person.
00:32:03.000For both of them, they know what goes on, they know how to do their jobs, and they know the system that they operate in.
00:32:09.000They know what's wrong with it, and they know how to fix it.
00:32:13.000You don't fix stuff from entrenched bureaucrats who have been around and are steeped And are owned by the corruption system.
00:32:21.000You fixed major bureaucracies with young people who are not corrupted and they know how to do the job and they know how to fix the system.
00:32:30.000And you don't have to be around for 40 years to figure that out.
00:32:34.000When you have 10 to 15, from your fifth year You're an apprentice sort of when you get hired, trained, deployed, and functional.
00:32:44.000By five years, you've got your first tour under your belt and you've demonstrated that you can do the job.
00:32:49.000Then you do it for 10 more years and you do it well and you refine the craft.
00:32:54.000That's the same thing you have in the Pentagon that you have in the CIA. And that's the kind of thing that President Trump is bringing into his Administration is young journeyman level people that know how to do what the work mission is, the core mission.
00:33:12.000And this whole thing about age and then the machinery can be unleashed against people like that to come up with all kinds of stories and lies and they throw all this dirt at them in hopes that they can get them pushed out of the way.
00:33:25.000That's where we are with some of these young people that have been appointed to key positions.
00:33:30.000And that is something that they just need to shoulder through that, ignore it and do it because people will come out of the woodwork to come back to the agency.
00:33:41.000They'll come back in the Pentagon and they'll want to come back to work if they believe that a president has put someone in charge and is completely behind change.
00:33:53.000Not change for the sake of change or changing the wiring diagram, changing what we do overseas and domestically and restoring the public trust.
00:34:04.000We hide so much stuff from the public that should not be classified.
00:34:09.000When I sent a cable from the field to buy pencils, it was a classified mission cable.