In this episode of the Joe Rogan Experience, Joe talks about his life and career as a molecular biologist at the Salk Institute in San Diego, California, and how he became a pioneer in the field of HIV/AIDS research and development.
00:01:46.000I was originally a carpenter and a farmhand in the central coast of California and decided that I wanted to go back to school and did two years of computer science and then decided that I didn't want to spend the rest of my life looking at a computer monitor in a basement.
00:02:13.000Went to UC Davis after two years of undergrad at San Barbara City College and wanted to work on this new tech space called molecular biology, and in particular on cancer.
00:02:28.000My mother was deathly afraid of breast cancer.
00:02:32.000And so I looked around and found a laboratory at UC Davis with a guy named Bob Cardiff and another guy named Murray Gardner that were working with retroviruses and their links to breast cancer.
00:02:45.000And it just happened that while I was in there, this is circa 83, 84, this whole thing cut loose in San Francisco with the immunodeficiency syndrome in men.
00:03:01.000And the lab ended up right at the forefront of that.
00:03:05.000You know, Davis is just down the street, basically, from San Francisco.
00:03:09.000And at the Davis Primate Center, they had discovered that there were monkeys that had immunodeficiency.
00:03:16.000And so I was there in the lab as an undergraduate, as a total bench rat, when Preston Marks and Murray Gardner and others made the first discovery of a retrovirus basis for immunodeficiency in primates.
00:03:29.000And then Murray went to the pasteur, brought back the virus literally in his pocket.
00:03:36.000He went there with Bob Gallo, met with a guy named Luc Montagnier that you may know.
00:03:40.000And that kind of kicked off the whole vaccine effort for AIDS.
00:03:46.000So that's kind of what I cut my teeth on.
00:04:02.000I got an MD-PhD scholarship at Northwestern University in Chicago.
00:04:07.000And so I went from having grown up in Santa Barbara with my wife, we were high school sweethearts, to Chicago.
00:04:14.000And that was kind of an abrupt transition.
00:04:18.000So we decided I would do my graduate work at San Diego.
00:04:25.000And I'd been accepted into a program at UC San Diego that had two of the top gene therapy specialists.
00:04:32.000I really wanted to do gene therapy with retroviruses.
00:04:35.000That was what I thought was going to be my life.
00:04:38.000And so we moved down to San Diego, and I started working in the laboratory of Inderverma, which is in the molecular biology and virology labs at the Salk Institute.
00:04:48.000And this is a place where graduate students normally aren't allowed to go.
00:04:54.000There was seven Nobel laureates at the time, plus Jonas, a really intense competitive environment.
00:05:01.000Carved out a little niche that I was going to work on for my graduate work, which was asking questions about how retrovirus RNA is packaged.
00:05:10.000And from that, I had to develop a series of technologies to manufacture RNA and structure it and eventually put it into cells.
00:05:22.000And that, through a cascade of events, being at the right place at the right time, asking the right questions, surrounded by geniuses, led to the series of discoveries that now forms the basis of the RNA technology platform that gives rise to these vaccines.
00:05:46.000So that's kind of my origin story that it relates to this virus and vaccine and this.
00:05:51.000But since then, I went on, finished my MD, did two fellowships at UC Davis, taught pathology for years, set up a gene therapy lab, had many other discoveries, came out to the East Coast, created the technology platform that is now the basis of the company called Inovio.
00:06:13.000We actually originally founded Inovio in the United States.
00:06:18.000They have one of the DNA vaccines for COVID.
00:06:24.000Then the planes hit the towers, the investors pulled back, and I went to work for a company called Dineport Vaccine Company that had the prime systems contract, as governments speak, for all the biodefense products for the Department of Defense for advanced development, which is to say, clinical trials through licensure.
00:06:42.000And that's my kind of transition from being an academic to focusing on actually making things that work in people.
00:06:50.000And the big epiphany there was that the world is full of these academic thought leaders that publish in big journals and stuff, but that doesn't really lead to products.
00:07:00.000And I really wanted to make products that would help people.
00:07:04.000And so since then, for the last, I guess it's about 20 years, I've been focused on actually doing stuff, regulatory affairs, clinical development, getting the necessary training, etc.
00:07:16.000Completed a fellowship at Harvard University Medical School as a global clinical scholar to round out my CV.
00:07:25.000And I've run over 100 clinical trials, mostly in the vaccine space, but also in drug repurposing.
00:07:37.000I've been involved in every major outbreak since AIDS.
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00:14:19.000Yeah, pariah is probably a better word.
00:14:21.000And the fact that you've been banned from Twitter is very confusing because I've been following your tweets and I've been reading all the things that you've written and I don't understand how it justifies a ban.
00:14:36.000And I don't know what was the particular tweet.
00:14:40.000Did they tell you what the particular tweet was or what the offense was?
00:14:46.000They removed you for not going along with whatever the tech narrative is, because tech clearly has a censorship agenda when it comes to COVID, in terms of treatment, in terms of whether or not you are promoting what they would call vaccine hesitancy.
00:15:13.000And I don't know who these people are that are doing this, but they're doing this.
00:15:17.000One of the most important things about you reading out your history like that is to one of the most qualified people in the world to talk about vaccines.
00:15:42.000And the point is made, just what you just made.
00:15:48.000So the point that I think is kind of succinct on this is if my voice, if there's no merit to my voice being in the conversation, whether it's true or not, whether I'm factually correct or not, let's park that just for a minute.
00:16:06.000Whether or not I'm right in everything I say, and I freely admit no one's perfect.
00:16:12.000That's one of my core points, is people should think for themselves.
00:16:16.000I try really hard to give people the information and help them to think, not to tell them what to think.
00:16:26.000But the point is, if it's not okay for me to be part of the conversation, even though I'm pointing out scientific facts that may be inconvenient, then who can be allowed?
00:16:43.000And whether you're in the camp that says I'm a liar and I didn't invent this technology despite the patents, when there's a whole cohort of that, no one can dispute that I played a major role in the creation of this tech.
00:16:58.000And virtually all other voices that have that background have conflicts of interest, financial conflicts of interest.
00:17:05.000I think I'm the only one that doesn't.
00:17:06.000I'm not getting any money out of this.
00:17:09.000So I think that it starts to touch on some fundamental constitutional principles about rights of free speech.
00:17:16.000I suspect that's kind of where you're going on that.
00:17:19.000Well, most certainly, but also how disturbing it is for someone who's not an academic like myself to watch people like you get silenced and silenced in this platform of social media where people are exchanging information,
00:17:34.000they're posting up studies, and you're discussing different parts of this pandemic that are in the news and what the issues may lie in and where your background and your expertise allows you to explain this in a way that maybe it's not being explained because of the narrative that's being discussed in the mainstream news.
00:17:55.000And to watch you get silenced, first of all, to watch you get ostracized.
00:18:20.000It's like, okay, so this is a thing you're going to just say someone's crazy when they say something that's inconvenient or say something that makes you uncomfortable because you've decided to accept a certain narrative.
00:18:55.000Yeah, I was deplatformed from LinkedIn many months ago.
00:18:58.000And it was, there was actually two events of deplatforming in LinkedIn.
00:19:05.000And in both cases, I was able to get an explanation for what the specific crimes were, the thought crimes.
00:19:12.000And in the first one, it was a LinkedIn posting in which I pointed out that the chairman of the board of Thomson Reuters also sits on the board of Pfizer.
00:19:27.000And I simply wrote, Does this look like a conflict of interest to you?
00:19:33.000And this gets to your core question about tech.
00:19:37.000It's not tech, it's the horizontal integration across all major industries now under the control of common funds.
00:19:47.000All of these industries, the harmonization of the tech censorship, the interests of pharma, big media, et cetera, and governments, all being harmonized in their messaging globally.
00:20:01.000I see the same, and I have physicians coming to me all the time about what they're experiencing.
00:20:07.000The same playbook is going on every continent.
00:20:11.000But getting back to LinkedIn, so this is the first event, and Steve Kirsch intervened, called up a vice president of LinkedIn.
00:20:21.000And Steve Kirsch is a tech guy, right?
00:20:24.000He's a Silicon Valley entrepreneur who you may or may not recall that I was on the Brett Weinstein Dark Horse podcast with Steve that kind of lit this whole fire up months and months ago.
00:20:52.000Meanwhile, people started dropping off of LinkedIn in protest.
00:20:57.000And there was major press articles all over the world.
00:21:00.000And then they reinstated me, and I actually got a very kind letter.
00:21:06.000This is unprecedented, personal letter from this vice president, apologizing and saying specifically that they didn't have the talent to fact check me.
00:21:16.000And then therefore they were going to let me go.
00:21:19.000Now then, subsequently, I got dropped again, and a phone call was made, and they got put on.
00:21:26.000In that case, the sin was that one of their fact-checkers, because remember this is Microsoft, one of their fact-checkers had identified the Atlantic Monthly article, attack article that was written about me and concluded that I was an anti-vaxxer and therefore I should not be allowed on LinkedIn.
00:21:44.000Now the context for that that's fascinating is that Atlantic Monthly attack article that is often cited by my detractors.
00:21:55.000We could go down that rabbit hole, but no reason.
00:21:58.000It was written a few days after Peter Navarro and I came out with an op-ed in the Washington Times in which we criticized the Biden policy on vaccines and said that they should be reserved for those that need them most and not used universally.
00:22:14.000And we said some other things about the need of testing and tools so that people can assess their true risk.
00:22:21.000It was a political retaliation intended to take me off the map as I was starting to interact more of in a public policy sphere.
00:22:29.000Now with this Twitter event, my wife and I have racked our brains about what is likely to have been the tweet that triggered this.
00:22:44.000The last two that I can think of that went out was one that was in our substack in which we referred to a fantastic video that has been put out by the Canadian COVID Care Alliance Group that summarizes all the malfeasance and data manipulation and misinterpretation associated with the Pfizer vaccines and their clinical trials.
00:23:09.000And of course, I guess that is interpreted as something that would cause people to become vaccine hesitant.
00:23:18.000That's the sin in general, is saying things that cause people to become vaccine hesitant.
00:23:24.000The other thing that I put out immediately before that was a post, a link to a website for the World Economic Forum that lays out their entire strategy for how they manage media, how they're managing COVID-19, and all of their core messaging.
00:23:44.000It's a fascinating website with links.
00:23:47.000Those are the only two things I can think of that would meet the criteria.
00:23:53.000So, you know, my position all the way through this comes off of the platform of bioethics and the importance of informed consent.
00:24:02.000So my position is that people should have the freedom of choice, particularly for their children, and that in order to appropriately choose to participate in a medical experiment, they have to be fully informed of the risks as well as the benefits.
00:24:21.000And so I've tried really hard to make sure that people have access to the information about those risks and potential benefits, the true unfiltered academic papers and raw data, etc.
00:24:34.000And the policy that's being implemented is one in which no discussion of the risks are allowed because by definition they will elicit vaccine hesitance.
00:25:00.000It does make sense, and it's unprecedented.
00:25:02.000I mean, I can't recall a time ever where people weren't able to discuss the side effects of medication, whether or not the studies are accurate, whether or not people should universally take these things, or whether it should be done on a person-by-person basis.
00:25:22.000And so when someone who's an expert like yourself has a dissenting opinion and you see that dissenting opinion immediately silenced or at least immediately criticized and then these attempts at silencing, it just signifies how confusing and how troubled the times we're in are.
00:25:43.000When COVID first hit, when the lockdown started happening in March of 2020, what was your position on all this?
00:25:53.000So you're kind of asking my origin story with COVID.
00:26:22.000There's a CIA agent that I've co-published with in the past named Michael Callahan.
00:26:27.000He was in Wuhan in the fourth quarter of 2019.
00:26:31.000He called me from Wuhan on January 4th.
00:26:34.000I was currently managing a team that was focusing on drug discovery for organophosphate poisoning, ergonerve agents, for DITRA, Defense Threat Reduction Agency, involving high-performing computing and biorobot screening, high-end stuff.
00:26:55.000And he told me, Robert, you've got to get your team spun up because we've got a problem with this new virus.
00:26:59.000I worked with him through prior outbreaks.
00:27:03.000And so it was then that I turned my attention to this, started modeling a key protein, a protease inhibitor of this virus when the sequence was released on January 11th as the Wuhan Seafood Market Virus.
00:27:21.000And I've been pretty much going non-stop ever since to that point with drug repurposing.
00:27:29.000So I'm the one that originally discovered famatidine as an agent because I was self-treating myself after I got infected with agents that we'd identified through the computer modeling.
00:27:43.000So February of 2020, you get infected, and how bad is your case?
00:28:22.000Today, we believe we should have the first patient enrolled in our clinical trials of the combination of fumatidine and silicoxid for treating SARS-CoV-2.
00:28:33.000This is trials being run by the company Leidos, which is one of my clients, that I've helped design.
00:28:53.000But I haven't pushed this drug combination.
00:28:55.000I've just felt it was inappropriate until we got the trials running.
00:28:59.000But they're now open, and we've passed through the FDA screening process.
00:29:04.000By the way, we tried to get, we had data showing that adding ivermectin further improved the combination.
00:29:12.000But the FDA created such enormous roadblocks to us doing an ivermectin arm that we had to drop it.
00:29:19.000And by we, what I'm saying is the FDA created so much grief that the DOD decided the juice wasn't worth the squeeze, and they just dropped that arm.
00:29:31.000What do you think is going on with the pushback on ivermectin?
00:29:36.000So it's not just ivermectin, it's hydroxychloroquine.
00:29:38.000And just to put a marker on that, there's good modeling studies that probably half a million excess deaths have happened in the United States through the intentional blockade of early treatment by the U.S. government.
00:30:20.000I can tell you the people around me, I live in a rural county and I raise horses.
00:30:24.000That was deeply offensive to use that language in that way.
00:30:30.000But there's clearly been an intentional push.
00:30:34.000And Zev Zelenko, who's a buddy, the guy that came out with the original protocol, the Zlenko protocol, and was the one, by the way, that wrote the letter to Trump advocating for hydroxychloroquine.
00:30:50.000Okay, kind of important to put that together.
00:30:53.000He's put together a great little video clip in which he clearly documents the conspiracy between Janet Woodcock and Rick Bright to make it so that physicians could not administer hydroxychloroquine outside of the hospital.
00:31:10.000And who is Janet Woodcock and who's Rick Bright?
00:31:13.000Rick Bright was the head of BARDA, the Biomedical Advanced Research Director, which is the group that, for instance, funded the JNJ vaccine and Operation Warp Speed, etc.
00:31:23.000So they're the big ticket funder in health and human service of biodefense products.
00:31:29.000Janet Woodcock was head of Operation Warp Speed for Drugs and until very recently head of the FDA.
00:31:37.000She is known as the person who kind of gets the credit, let's say, for the opioid crisis, for her role at the FDA.
00:31:48.000So between the two of them, there was some sort of a concerted effort to suppress the use of hydroxychloroquine?
00:31:55.000Rick Bright, in videotaped testimony, has explicitly spoken about how they conspired to cook a strategy using emergency use authorization to make it so that hydroxychloroquine could only be administered in the hospital, which, by the way, is too late for when hydroxy should be used.
00:33:20.000By the way, one of the nice things, we had actually filed, during Zika, I did a lot of drug repurposing.
00:33:25.000And I filed patents on the use of hydroxy in Zika.
00:33:29.000One of the reasons is because hydroxy is one of the few molecules that have antiviral activity that are safe in pregnancy.
00:33:37.000And you remember, Zika was a pregnancy issue.
00:33:39.000So hydroxy has been out there for a long time as having antiviral effects.
00:33:45.000And the other part of Rick's story that kind of doesn't make sense, that there was no data on efficacy, is that I was the guy that first acquired, because I had Chinese connections, the Chinese protocol for treating this virus.
00:34:01.000I got it in late February, and I sent it into my buddies at the CIA and at the ASPER at the Assistant Secretary for Preparedness and Response.
00:34:10.000So the government had those documents when Rick Bright made those determinations.
00:34:14.000So the assertion that there was no data on hydroxychloroquine at the time when this decision was made is just patently false.
00:35:28.000This is the NIH committee that's guiding the clinical trials for these various repurposed and novel drugs.
00:35:37.000I saw, listened to, heard, witnessed the representative of Merck that's on the committee, because the committee is full of pharmaceutical representatives, even though it's an NIH public committee, explicitly attack the decision for the federal government to test ivermectin.
00:36:01.000She said there's no reason to do this.
00:36:03.000Now, what's happened since then is ActiveSticks is still testing ivermectin, and they've had to go to a higher dose because, as we pointed out, essentially their initial trial design was designed to fail.
00:36:16.000It was a short course with inadequate levels of drug.
00:36:20.000And so now they've upped it to, I think it's five days and 600 micrograms per kg.
00:36:25.000That's the current dosing in Active Six.
00:36:28.000But there is clearly a concerted effort on the part of multiple players in the pharmaceutical industry in concordance with the federal government to kill ivermectin as a potential alternative early treatment strategy.
00:36:42.000And if you're going to follow the money, the problem is there's not a lot in ivermectin because it is a generic drug and any compound pharmacy can make it and it's fairly cheap.
00:36:52.000It's fairly cheap because it's easy to make.
00:36:54.000And, you know, you can get ivermectin in bulk at less than a penny a dose.
00:37:03.000So the original SARS is it 90% similar to SARS-CoV-2?
00:37:12.000Those terms, 90 or 96 or 98, those are really not, they're kind of irrelevant.
00:37:24.000You know, you can have something that's 99.9% similar, and the difference is all the difference.
00:37:31.000But if chloroquine worked on the original SARS or it showed efficacy in original SARS, is it safe to assume, like without adequate tests, that hydroxychloroquine would work on it's the decision that was made by the Chinese government.
00:38:53.000The composition has not been formally disclosed.
00:38:58.000It was done in coordination With WHO, and whatever was in those packages was rumored to include ivermectin.
00:39:12.000But there was a specific visit of Biden to Modi, and a decision was made in the Indian government not to disclose the contents of those packages that were being deployed in Uttar Pradesh, which they're still there.
00:39:29.000And Uttar Pradesh is flatlined right now.
00:39:31.000The rest of the world is yelling about Omicron and hospitalizations.
00:39:54.000All I know is that immediately afterwards, there was a decision not to disclose the contents of what was being deployed in Uttar Pradesh.
00:40:01.000It's so crazy to imagine that in the middle of a pandemic, there's one place, one area of India that's extremely successful in combating the virus, and they're not going to say how they did it.
00:41:31.000And I have not seen a peer-reviewed, solid publication or preprint that supports that now.
00:41:39.000But that was the active rumor at the time.
00:41:43.000And since then, what we do know for sure, well documented, if you've got prior COVID and natural immunity, you have a higher risk of adverse events from the jab.
00:41:58.000Now, the other part of my story that often gets overlooked, so I took two doses of Moderna.
00:42:04.000With the second dose, I developed stage 3 hypertension with systolic blood pressure of up to 230.
00:42:15.000What it means is I've had a stress test of my aorta and my cerebral vascular system, and I didn't have a stroke, and I didn't tear my aorta all to shreds.
00:42:26.000I had irregularities of heartbeat, incredible hypertension, POTS syndrome, narcolepsy, restless leg syndrome.
00:42:36.000These are all known side effects that are associated with the vaccine.
00:42:41.000They're relatively less frequent than the myocarditis in the children, in male children in particular, but they're all known on the list of adverse events.
00:42:52.000And it's very clear that people that have natural immunity have a much higher risk factor for this whole spectrum of adverse events.
00:43:32.000What we know about natural immunity is that natural immunity, at least according to that study in Israel, which is like, what, 2.5 million people, I think, they said that it's between 6 and 13 times more effective than the vaccine.
00:43:45.000That is 6 or 13 times more effective in preventing hospitalized COVID.
00:44:26.000So the CDC, for most of us that are at all objective in the science world, look at what's going on at the CDC aghast.
00:44:34.000I mean, the CDC has just compromised now.
00:44:39.000What they did with that was a very small study with intrinsic bias all over the place, much, much smaller than the Israeli study that you're citing, much less rigorous, less statistical power, and they pushed that out as their justification for their position concerning natural immunity.
00:45:58.000I mean, since this was a technology that you were a pivotal part of the creation of, and so you're getting this vaccine, you probably were thinking, look at this, all my hard work come to fruition.
00:46:12.000It's going to protect me from the virus.
00:46:14.000I actually said to the nurse when I took the first jab, I bragged a little bit.
00:48:08.000The thing about what's going on now, there's a heightened aspect in terms of the influence on society that social media has that is stronger now than it was two years ago.
00:48:21.000It's stronger two years ago than it was two years before.
00:48:25.000It's ramping up exponentially in some sort of a strange way that's affecting society.
00:48:30.000And then the censorship aspect of it, which has kicked in.
00:48:33.000And as you said, they're stepping in line with tech, doing it with the pharmaceutical companies, doing it with the government.
00:48:42.000They're all sort of on the same page when it comes to the messaging.
00:48:48.000Yes, so now you're going to the next level of WTF.
00:49:09.000So the BBC announced to the world last fall that this organization that they had led the development of, which ties together big tech and big media in service of the government and was built expressly for the purpose of protecting the democratic voting system,
00:49:37.000you know, small D, the democracy and voting integrity from undue influence from hostile offshore players through media information campaigns, which you'll recall was the claim that was made against Russia.
00:49:56.000And so this was the response of the Western nations to build this new structure called the Trusted News Initiative that would survey all information about elections and prevent the intrusion of foreign information into the democratic process and creation of undue influence by foreign actors.
00:50:23.000Shortly after it was created, there was an awareness in the pharmaceutical industry that this could be used to address a particular devil challenge that they had, which was the pejorative label anti-vaxxers.
00:50:42.000That's also been deployed against climate skeptics.
00:50:46.000So anti-vaxxers, you'll recall, is the label that is used to basically take anybody out that is raising any concerns about vaccine safety.
00:50:59.000It's the pejorative that's applied, and it makes it really easy for the media to basically take off the table anybody that's saying something that is contrary to the interests of really the vaccine industry.
00:51:14.000So there was a decision that this same toolkit, this same integrated international media and high-tech organization led by the BBC, would be pivoted to resisting vaccine misinformation and disinformation.
00:51:35.000And they put out a proud press announcement last fall that this is what they were going to do.
00:51:41.000And they defined these things, misinformation and disinformation, as anything which was going to lead to vaccine hesitancy and which was contrary to the official statements of the World Health Organization or their respective national health organizations.
00:52:01.000So if CDC says the world is flat, then the world is flat.
00:52:07.000And there will be no discussion about whether or not the world is flat.
00:52:10.000I'm using obviously a simplified, silly example.
00:52:16.000So whatever the CDC or Tony Fauci or Tedros, etc., says is truth by definition.
00:52:25.000And any information or discussion which is contrary to that truth will be suppressed.
00:52:33.000And those people that are expressing these opinions that would lead to vaccine hesitancy, which to some eyes would be informed consent and decisions by an individual that they believe the risk-benefit ratio doesn't matter, doesn't make sense to them, that information will not be allowed, and those people that are spreading that information will not be allowed to interact in the public sphere in social media.
00:53:02.000Okay, so that's this kind of, if you want to unpack this whole thing, it starts by understanding the Trusted News Initiative.
00:53:10.000And we've got great links about that that have been put out, explanatory and links.
00:53:17.000For instance, I put out a sub stack recently that talks about the Trusted News Initiative and the censorship, in which I link to both the BBC's Trusted News Initiative website so you can see what they have to say, and a video that describes the Trusted News Initiative from my point of view as somebody that's been on the receiving end of the Trusted News Initiative.
00:53:37.000Now that's the starting point, but it doesn't explain the global coordination because TNI is mostly Western and it doesn't cover a lot of the other, you know, Latin America, for instance, or Spain or Israel.
00:53:55.000And the only way that I can understand how all of this messaging, censorship, you know, deplatforming, you know, what it really is, is canceling.
00:54:13.000And Bobby Kennedy makes the point that the first real example of cancel culture that we can track is Tony Fauci canceling the esteemed virologist Peter Duisberg because he was raising questions about the origin of HIV and its role in the disease called AIDS.
00:55:10.000But the only way to find out if someone's controversial opinions are valid is to ask questions and talk to them and let them express themselves.
00:55:19.000And then I wanted to have someone come on and debate him.
00:55:22.000I could not find anyone willing to do it.
00:55:24.000This is covered in detail in Bobby Kennedy's book about Tony Fauci.
00:55:30.000Now, we have a more recent example of this cancel culture as it's played by NIH and by Tony in the emails that came out recently when you have Cliff Lane, Tony Fauci, and the director of the NIH, Francis Collins, basically coming out and saying that they're going to ridicule and destroy fringe epidemiologists.
00:55:57.000And what was their sin, these fringe epidemiologists, that warranted a concerted effort on the part of the federal government to destroy them?
00:56:07.000Their sin was raising questions about the effectiveness of vaccine lockdowns.
00:56:15.000And who were these fringe epidemiologists, as stated by Francis Collins, who, by the way, has no background in epidemiology or public health.
00:56:53.000And did you explain the Great Barrington Declaration?
00:56:55.000So these three esteemed, high-profile academic epidemiologists came together and said and did an analysis, comprehensive analysis, about everything that was known about lockdowns and their impacts during infectious disease outbreaks.
00:57:14.000And they came out with a specific statement.
00:57:20.000And they came out with a specific statement that these lockdowns were going to cause more harm than help, which was contrary to the messaging that was being put out by Tony.
00:57:33.000And so Tony decided that they had to be destroyed.
00:57:37.000And then you had Francis Collins recently coming on Fox News after these emails were FOIA and brought out into the open and saying that if we had followed their advice, millions of people would have died.
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01:01:04.000So if they had just done what Sweden had done and some other countries where they did institute lockdowns and they sort of let people just live their lives and make their own choices, they were saying that millions of people would have died.
01:01:26.000I mean, it was highly criticized in the beginning.
01:01:28.000People were really concerned that they weren't taking it seriously enough.
01:01:32.000And then there was also some concern that it wasn't, you couldn't compare.
01:01:38.000They weren't comparable because the way Sweden is, it's like small towns and they're separated from each other.
01:01:43.000It's not a high-density situation like New York or Los Angeles or Chicago.
01:01:48.000But overall, in time, we've seen that this respiratory disease spreads, period, no matter what.
01:01:58.000It seems to make its way to people, no matter where you are.
01:02:01.000And what it's done in that country is it's kind of burned through the population, and their mortality rate is lower than most places.
01:02:10.000Their infection rate is lower than most places.
01:02:13.000And it didn't do the devastating economic damage and the devastating damage to children that were forced to isolate and not be with their friends and not go to school and not socialize.
01:02:24.000So here's an even more fun one, okay, that just cuts right to it.
01:02:31.000You know, the pejorative of these days is the country's name is actually Fizrael.
01:03:27.000And this is akin to this mystery, sorry, of what's going on in Central Africa and the malaria belt, where you have really low levels of mortality.
01:03:40.000And what you're hitting on appropriately, you're getting right to the core of the issue, is confounding variables.
01:03:49.000And in general, the Israeli population is a little bit older than the Palestinian territory on average, so that's a lower risk.
01:03:59.000Neither one of them are associated with high rates of mortality, of morbidity, of obesity.
01:04:06.000And so that variable seems to be out there.
01:04:08.000That may be one of the major variables in Africa is that in that malaria belt, people generally aren't fat.
01:04:16.000They happen to also be taking ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine for the indigenous parasites that they have to deal with.
01:04:24.000So a lot of people were saying, well, that must prove that hydroxy and ivermectin protect.
01:04:30.000As you point out, there's a lot of moving parts here.
01:04:34.000And so this is why, you know, I'm glad you didn't ask me, well, why is that, Robert?
01:04:40.000Because I would have said, hmm, I can't say because there's too many confounding variables.
01:04:44.000However, it is a fascinating observation that we have this intensively vaccinated cohort in Israel and much, much less vaccinated cohorts in the surrounding States, and you can look it up on WorldOmeter.
01:05:06.000They can go on WorldOmeter and look it up and look at the mortality and morbidity in these different countries and figure it out for themselves.
01:05:20.000Rate of infection is a really hard variable because it's a function of the density of testing.
01:05:27.000And so, you know, this is one of those situations, the more you look for it, the more you find, which is why you really can't use that as a denominator, is the incidence of infection, because the incidence of infection is totally contaminated by the frequency of testing and the density of testing.
01:05:46.000So you have to rely on things that the only, really, the only thing close to a decent outcome indicator that isn't subject to all of this bias that's all over in the system, except in a few states.
01:06:00.000Iceland, the Scandinavian states generally have relatively clean data.
01:06:06.000The UK, to some extent, has cleaner data.
01:06:10.000It's now clear that the Israeli data set is contaminated by all kinds of monkey business in terms of what gets deleted.
01:06:17.000But the only thing that seems close to a reasonable outcome variable is all-cause mortality.
01:06:24.000So, because people get kind of wrapped up around this, and they say, well, you know, these vaccine, these deaths that were, I mean, this is the, everybody argues both sides of the coin with the VAR system.
01:06:55.000Which the FDA explicitly said in the licensure packet for commerdity is inadequate to detect rare adverse events.
01:07:03.000That's why they forced, if they ever market commerdity in the United States, they're going to have to do a bunch of clinical trials, which I think is one reason why they're not doing it.
01:07:12.000Because the FDA has told them that VARES is basically junk.
01:07:19.000So when you look at these ratios, the argument is, well, just because somebody died within X number of days of receipt of vaccine, it doesn't mean their death is vaccine caused.
01:07:48.000But what we see is this explosion of vaccine-associated deaths.
01:07:54.000And to kind of pick that apart, people say, you know, well, if you had a car accident or a bullet to the head and you went to the hospital and they tested you with a PCR test that's nonspecific and they ran it up to 42 cycles and they said, oh, look, there's the virus.
01:08:14.000And by the way, they have a financial incentive to do that.
01:08:18.000That results in a false positive death.
01:08:22.000But the other side of the coin is that if somebody's having brain fog or they have a stroke while they're driving a car and they crash and die and they've had it within 48 hours of when they took the jab, and we know the jabs cause blood clotting and strokes, well, then it could well be that an auto accident is vaccine related.
01:08:47.000So all of these kind of things, you can't sort out what's what.
01:08:52.000You just kind of have to take the aggregate value and hope that you have a large enough sample size that it corrects for all that stuff, all that noise that's inherent in the system.
01:09:01.000Now, you just glossed over the financial incentive to report a COVID death.
01:09:10.000Because there's all these rumors that you would hear about what a hospital gets paid per COVID death and that the government gives them money and that they're incentivized to make something market down.
01:10:01.000I can tell you that the hospitals receive a bonus from the government, I think it's like $3,000, if someone is hospitalized and able to be declared COVID positive.
01:10:15.000They also receive a bonus, I think the total is something like $30,000 in incentive if somebody gets put on the vent.
01:10:25.000Then they get a bonus if somebody is declared dead with COVID, COVID.
01:10:32.000So they have an incentive at the front end to declare somebody a COVID case.
01:10:38.000The CDC made a determination that they were going to make a core assumption if PCR positive and you die, that is death due to COVID.
01:10:55.000And so the extreme example, just to show the absurdity, if the patient comes in with a bullet hole to the head and they do a nose swab and they come up PCR positive, they're determined to have died from COVID when in fact they died from lead poisoning.
01:11:49.000I don't know whether there would be an obligation, that would be a hospital-by-hospital policy statement.
01:11:54.000So it really is true that if someone has a gunshot wound and they're dying of that gunshot wound and you check them for COVID, and if they're COVID positive and they die, they marked it off as a COVID death.
01:12:17.000That's why so many of us are so much in arms, up in arms, and really pretty aggravated about what's going on, is all the way through this, the information, let me put it this way, Joe.
01:12:33.000Part of the reason I know you're somebody who is really committed to bringing everybody together and the idea that we're really one America.
01:12:55.000But we've been divided in this way and it's all been politicized and the data have been so thoroughly manipulated that it's hard for any of us to make sense out of it.
01:13:10.000And all the way through, our government, at least, I can't speak to Great Britain or Germany, but our government has had a series of checkpoints where they have a job to do.
01:13:22.000And I know this because this is what I do for a living, right?
01:13:25.000I do regulatory affairs and clinical development.
01:13:29.000We wouldn't be having all of this conflict about what is truth if the FDA had done its job.
01:13:36.000What the FDA didn't do was force the pharmaceutical manufacturers to do their job.
01:13:43.000Now, we can wrap around, you know, well, maybe it was just they were all in a rush, we were all panicked, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
01:13:50.000But the bottom line was they didn't do their job.
01:13:53.000And they didn't force Pharma to do its job.
01:13:56.000And they didn't employ the standard requirements for testing and verification that Pharma was doing its job that I would expect to experience as a clinical researcher on one of my studies.
01:14:10.000What's gone on with Pfizer if the whistleblower comments hold true?
01:14:16.000And for instance, the Maddie DeGary case, this young woman who was listed as having a stomachache that participated in the Pfizer trials, when in fact what she had was a seizure and she's now wheelchair bound with a nasogastric tube, one of a thousand subjects.
01:14:33.000This is a 13-year-old girl that was a part of the study and they wrote it down as what?
01:15:06.000So the way the rules work in regulatory affairs, so this is law, right?
01:15:12.000This is regulatory affairs law and common practice at the FDA and globally.
01:15:17.000There's all kinds of treaties and things that regulate how these things are supposed to be done.
01:15:23.000The rule is, it used to be that a pharmaceutical company could kind of offload all the liability for bad stuff that might happen in a clinical trial and be mismanaged, et cetera, onto the performer, the subcontractor.
01:15:36.000It used to be that pharma actually did the trials themselves.
01:15:39.000And then they found it was cheaper, more efficient, and they could push off their liability if they engaged companies like I've been working for for decades, contract research organizations, clinical contract research organizations.
01:16:28.000They're allowed to say that this was just some sort of a gastric distress.
01:16:33.000And the job of the FDA always is to ferret out monkey business, which happens all the time, whether intentional or unintentional.
01:16:45.000And there's all kinds of ways you can craft clinical trials and craft clinical trial study reports, final study reports, to hide the bad stuff and highlight the good stuff.
01:16:57.000So in this clinical trial that this young lady was involved in, how many children were involved in the study?
01:17:04.000It's 2,000 approximately, but they're split into placebo and experimental groups.
01:17:09.000And so she was in the treatment group.
01:17:11.000Now, one of the things that people have said in response to the vaccine injuries is that it's approximately one in a thousand that are getting these significant injuries like myocarditis.
01:17:23.000And there's a, well, it's important when we talk about these things to make a distinction between an event that is clinically significant and might result in hospitalization versus something that might be undetected unless you did a laboratory test or,
01:17:48.000you know, maybe, like, for instance, myself, when I started to experience those things that I experienced after Moderna, I was confused.
01:17:56.000It was not listed as among the side effects.
01:17:59.000I thought I just Suddenly developed rampant hypertension until the data started coming out.
01:18:07.000And I, you know, fortunately I had an astute cardiologist that got me under control and got me under medical management.
01:19:54.000You want to keep that money flowing and you want to keep your sponsor happy.
01:20:00.000So that's what's come out with the whistleblower, with Pfizer, is that the contractor, I think it's here in Texas, that ran a bunch of those clinical trials appears to have manipulated data in a variety of ways.
01:20:16.000And this is done at the level of checking the data and reconciling the data and deciding which things go into the database and which things don't go into the database and whether or not, well, if somebody had an adverse event after shot one and then they're dropped because they won't take shot two, you know, do we drop them out of this overall study analysis?
01:20:37.000That's why we have all this specific language that we use in our business, the intent to treat cohort, the per-protocol cohort.
01:20:51.000They describe these differences and how, because it's known that you can manipulate the data in these different ways.
01:20:57.000And it's clear now, and basically this was the subject, by the way, just to bring it back around to our first topic.
01:21:05.000This is the subject of that presentation that the Canadians put out, that I put in that Twitter post, was all the different ways that the Pfizer data was manipulated.
01:21:17.000The fact that that is grounds for being removed from Twitter is so astonishing.
01:21:25.000It's just, it blows my mind that that's the number one platform for distributing information right now and that things like that are happening there.
01:21:34.000I mean, it's essentially the number one that and Facebook.
01:21:37.000I don't know which one's bigger, but for distributing information.
01:21:41.000So what's recently taken place, so remember looping back, I talked about the interconnectedness at the board level between Pfizer and Thomson Reuters.
01:22:24.000So it's Thompson Reuters is making the decision, which has connections to Pfizer, about what information will be allowed to be discussed on Twitter.
01:22:51.000It's so strange to me that no one's up in arms about this other than a few people that have been censored, a few people that have these opposing viewpoints that are deemed to be something that can't be discussed.
01:23:05.000Well, it's, Joe, it's even deeper than that.
01:23:09.000Then there's the hunting of physicians.
01:23:12.000So I myself, you know, Peter McCullough is the textbook example of hunting physicians, right?
01:23:18.000The guy is $150,000 in debt right now in the hole in trying to defend his medical license.
01:23:25.000This is one of the most highly published authors in the world.
01:23:30.000He's an exceptional researcher, you know, and apparently a pretty good podcaster, too.
01:23:37.000The guy has published more in his field than any other physician in history.
01:24:24.000That hospital and the hospitalists associated with it are actively involved and have kicked out Kirk Milhound because he's giving early treatment with the horse drug, ivermectin.
01:25:50.000Okay, we're just winding up on this one.
01:25:52.000So the other day, right before Christmas, three days before Christmas, I get a package from my licensing agency, which I'm licensed through the state of Maryland.
01:26:01.000So the state of Maryland Medical Board sends me a package, and it is a complaint that's been filed against me.
01:26:10.000Basically, I end up having to respond on Christmas Day, okay, or earlier, to this attack claiming that I should lose my medical license.
01:26:20.000And the citations are that I didn't actually invent mRNA vaccines, a copy of the Atlantic Monthly attack article on me, claims that I'm licensed in Virginia, which I'm not, claims that I didn't graduate from Harvard Medical School, which I did.
01:26:40.000Okay, so I have to respond to all this stuff.
01:26:42.000Now in going through it, and it's just false, false, false, false, all coming and pulled a bunch of stuff off of Twitter and LinkedIn and sent it in and saying, well, this is the reason why this guy should lose his license.
01:26:57.000Because he is responsible for millions of deaths.
01:27:10.000It turns out it's the director of recruitment in external affairs of this hospital in Maui.
01:27:19.000This guy felt that it was necessary to send this little package of happiness right before Christmas to my licensing board to try to get my license taken away.
01:27:31.000What we're seeing across the United States and across the world is it's the hospitals and the hospitalists that are attacking outside physicians.
01:27:43.000Do you have any knowledge as to why they're doing this, other than speculation?
01:27:48.000If I was to follow the money, I'm going to put it that way.
01:27:59.000We went and did a presentation in Alaska, and the same thing was being done for the physicians that came out and spoke about early treatment in Alaska.
01:28:07.000And fortunately, the Alaska Licensing Board put out a very terse statement that they don't want to get involved in politics and this kind of tit-for-tat and that this is outside of their role.
01:28:21.000Medical licensing boards for this kind of stuff are usually involved in making determinations about somebody's suitability because of drug abuse or sexual activity or other things which are outside or malpractice, overt malpractice.
01:28:39.000This kind of political weaponization of medical licensing boards is new.
01:28:45.000Now, here's the observation that I can make if we follow the money is that hospitals are incentivized to treat COVID patients.
01:28:57.000The thing that ties all this little part of this story together, including the suppression through the government of early treatment, hospitals are incentivized financially to treat COVID patients.
01:29:12.000If COVID patients are being treated outside of the hospital and prevented from going to the hospital, such as the case in the Imperial Valley, where Brian Tyson and George Farid have saved thousands and thousands of lives of indigenous Latinos that are coming across the border and work in the fields, I mean, they're breaking their backs to save the poor.
01:29:36.000Amazing story there with early treatments.
01:29:41.000And I guess they're left alone because they're in the Imperial Valley and nobody cares.
01:29:45.000But in these urban environments, there is all these incentives for hospitals to treat COVID patients.
01:29:53.000And if people are giving treatments that are keeping people out of the hospitals, then they're not getting that revenue.
01:30:00.000So your speculation, if I just could unpack this, that doctor in Maui who was giving early treatment, you think that the reason why he was targeted, because he was directly costing the hospital money because people weren't going in?
01:30:18.000I'm saying that the observation is that early treatment keeps people out of the hospital and that hospitals have financial incentives, including death incentives, financial incentives.
01:31:31.000So, that's saying the myocarditis was so bad after vaccination, and these are all verified post-vaccination, the myocarditis was so bad that you went to the hospital.
01:33:14.000He was clearly hired, and they explicitly say the article was funded by the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation and the Zuckerberg Chan Initiative.
01:33:23.000Robert Wood Johnson is the major shareholder in J ⁇ J, and Zuckerberg Chan, of course, is Facebook.
01:33:29.000So Facebook and Zuckerberg Chan have funded this attack article by this guy that normally writes about wokeness in the Journal of Higher Education.
01:33:40.000And he was totally obsessed over this question.
01:33:43.000Robert, why are you saying these things?
01:33:46.000You must have some financial incentive.
01:33:49.000There must be some reason why you're doing this.
01:33:55.000And I told him repeatedly, because it's the right thing to do.
01:33:59.000I get this, you know, this consternation.
01:34:03.000But see, the thing is, I think I'm maybe the only one that has been involved deeply in the development of this tech that doesn't have a financial stake in it.
01:34:13.000So for me, the reason is because what's happening is not right.
01:34:27.000I've spent 30 years developing vaccine, a stupid amount of education, learning how to do it and what the rules are.
01:34:35.000And for me, I'm personally offended by watching my discipline get destroyed for no good reason at all, except apparently financial incentives and, I don't know, political ass covering.
01:34:54.000Now, back to this number, because we keep going past it and going off on tangents.
01:35:01.000The number that keeps getting cited is one in 1,000 people have adverse events, including myocarditis.
01:35:08.000If myocarditis that requires hospitalization is 1 in 2,700.
01:36:18.000The ovary is the controller through hormones and ovulation.
01:36:24.000What did we learn early on from the Pfizer data package, which by the way, when that was disclosed by Byron Breidel from Japan and sent to me, was the first thing that really lit me up and let me know that something here was rotten.
01:36:40.000And when I got that, I picked out, as Byram had done, I was given the task of independently evaluating it.
01:36:46.000And then I took that package and I gave it to a more senior regulatory professional that I respect and I said, hmm, these are the things I see.
01:37:16.000What was done was a cobbled together group of data that didn't even involve the vaccine and used other mRNAs in non-GLP, that's fancy talk, For not done with rigor studies, not done according to the rules, all cobbled together and sent into the regulatory agencies of the world to justify going ahead and giving jabs to everybody under emergency use authorization.
01:37:47.000That's the short version that's using common language.
01:37:51.000One of the studies they did do was administer these lipid RNA complexes to rodents and showed the distribution of the synthetic lipid component.
01:38:04.000That's the fats that package the RNA that let it slip into your cells.
01:38:08.000It's a synthetic chemical, a positively charged molecule.
01:39:25.000It turns out that the rabbis in the Hasidic Jew community carefully monitor, we don't need to go into how, the menstrual cycle of the fertile women in their congregations.
01:39:37.000Closely monitor it because there is strict guidance about cleanliness and intercourse.
01:39:45.000And they had a major problem because these are all 60 plus, up to 80, long beards, gray hair, that had exquisite understanding about the menstrual cycle in all the women in their congregations.
01:40:02.000And they all knew that these menstrual cycles were being disrupted all the time.
01:40:08.000And for them, this was a major crisis because it meant that if you're in the Hasidic community, increasing the size of the population of Hasidic Jews is kind of important to you.
01:40:50.000This is why I say in my little statement that's gone all over the world, this little four-minute clip that's kind of gone viral and triggered governments to attack me now, like Israel and Spain and Italy, in the same systematic pattern of, you know, trying to demean me and delegitimize me.
01:41:12.000But that's why I say in that, that think twice about giving these jabs to your kids.
01:41:22.000Among other things, your girls are born with all the eggs they will ever have.
01:41:28.000And these lipids are going to the ovaries and they appear to be affecting menstruation in some way.
01:41:35.000But menstruation is just one of these adverse events.
01:41:39.000You picked out some of the other ones, the fatigue, brain fog, all kinds of things.
01:41:44.000And to be fair, people get that from COVID as well, correct?
01:41:50.000And that's another fascinating variable is we have COVID, we have mRNA genetic vaccines, and we have DNA virus-administered genetic vaccines.
01:41:59.000That's the J and J here in the United States, adenovirus.
01:42:04.000And they all have these symptoms of clotting, brain fog, and other things.
01:42:10.000And so as, you know, this is basically, does it walk like a duck and quack like a duck?
01:42:16.000What is the common variable between those three very different systems, natural viral infection, mRNA genetic vaccines, and DNA genetic vaccines?
01:42:26.000Now, we don't see these problems, by the way.
01:42:29.000Adenovirovectored vaccines have been in development for my entire life, 30 years.
01:42:54.000And so the spike protein is probably causing all these problems with people who have caught COVID and also people who are getting the vaccine.
01:43:04.000But then the lipo, what is it, lipo-nanoparticles?
01:43:37.000So there's a couple, there are a variety of hypotheses about this.
01:43:41.000What we do know is that both the virus and these vaccines are associated with, here's another fancy medical term, microcoagulation or microcoagulopathy, the latter one being a disease of microcoagulation, small blood clots.
01:44:00.000There are multiple ways in which that can happen.
01:44:03.000It's clear that SPICE is associated with a variety of mechanisms that trigger coagulation, including an autoimmune one.
01:44:14.000So there's something about this protein, SPICE, whether it's in the vaccine or not, it binds to the surface of key cells through a key regulatory protein called ACE2.
01:44:28.000ACE2 is involved in controlling blood pressure, blood vessel tone, all kinds of stuff.
01:44:34.000If you activate ACE2 on the little tiny smooth muscle cells that wrap around your capillaries that control your vascular tone, that's your blood pressure locally.
01:44:47.000The ability of blood to go through those tubes.
01:45:55.000Autoimmune processes, which we also know are involved in some of the coagulation problems, and this kind of process of clamping down on blood vessels, which we know is happening.
01:46:08.000And the autoimmune response, is this also in response to the spike protein?
01:46:13.000What is causing the autoimmune response in people?
01:46:15.000It's observed that it is happening and it's happening with these RNA vaccines.
01:46:23.000It's happening with the adenoviral vectored vaccines.
01:46:27.000I don't know, I don't recall literature that it's happening with the virus itself, but it may very well be.
01:46:34.000I know quite a few people that have had viral outbreaks post things like shingles, herpes outbreaks.
01:46:53.000We talked about the brain fog, and it's known that spike will open the blood-brain barrier is this kind of concept.
01:47:03.000It's a little loose, but it has to do with the structure of the cells that line the blood vessels in your brain and what it allows to go through and doesn't go through.
01:47:11.000Spike causes that to become more like an open sieve.
01:47:15.000So things can go into your brain that shouldn't go into your brain.
01:47:18.000So that can trigger brain inflammation, and that is the risk that people like Luc Montagnier are concerned about with neurofibrillary tangles, and that's why they talk about prions or Alzheimer's-like symptoms.
01:47:35.000That's part of what happens when brain gets inflammation because it's got stuff going on in there that it's not supposed to have.
01:48:11.000And not only brain fog, you can remember the broadcaster, Kumo, when he had COVID, he was talking about seeing hallucinations.
01:48:24.000That is a common consequence of primary COVID infection, is not just brain fog, but overt hallucinations.
01:48:33.000Now, after the vaccines started to be administered, it was a couple months later, I believe, that the Salk Institute published their paper on spike proteins.
01:48:44.000And I cited that in the Brett Weinstein Dark Horse podcast and was immediately attacked by Reuters for spreading disinformation because I was speaking that the spike protein was a toxin.
01:49:01.000And that's one of many papers that have come out since then or before.
01:49:07.000And I didn't say the spike protein on the vaccine.
01:49:23.000In a way that matters is the question.
01:49:27.000So the difference is, now we're going to get into molecular virology.
01:49:31.000I'm sorry, but you asked the question.
01:49:34.000So spike kind of, you can think of it as having a stem part and a head group.
01:49:40.000You could point to your tie if you're going to stay.
01:49:41.000And then a, yeah, right, these things sticking out here.
01:49:45.000But I wanted to illustrate that it also has this little, it's like a catcher's glove that sits on top that is the receptor binding domain.
01:49:53.000Okay, so it's got these elements that are really important to understand it.
01:49:58.000And this part of the spike protein that is kind of straight and thin, the stalk, is responsible for the business part of what spike does.
01:50:12.000Spike causes fusion between the virus and the cell.
01:50:15.000It's what enables the virus to infect the cell.
01:50:18.000And it's a complex set of events, and it changes its structure as it goes through those.
01:50:23.000It's fascinating stuff if you're into this.
01:50:27.000You can lock it into the pre-fusion Conformation.
01:50:31.000You can make it so that it will not trigger cell fusion after binding with two little tiny mutations substituting proline in the S2 domain.
01:50:44.000And that'll make it so that it can never trigger fusion, which is one of the things that it can do to bake toxicity.
01:50:50.000That has nothing to do with whether or not it can bind ACE2 up here, whether or not that catcher's mint will grab onto ACE2.
01:50:58.000By the way, SPICE exists as a trimer, like a treble foc, you know, on a fishing lure.
01:51:07.000So these two mutations are in this S2 domain that's kind of the stem, and it makes it so that it can't fuse.
01:51:27.000And so what matters about that is all the things I've been talking about, about spike interacting with ACE2 and turning on ACE2, that can all still happen.
01:51:48.000Number one, at the time they did this engineering, I've carefully reviewed the papers.
01:51:55.000It's all about making it more immunogenic.
01:51:58.000There is nothing in there about making it less toxic.
01:52:02.000And by definition, it will make it less toxic as a fusion protein, but it won't do anything about the other parts of SPICE and its activities.
01:52:14.000Then there is this fundamental logic flaw.
01:52:20.000In clinical development and non-clinical development and safety and pharmacology, I like to say the French judicial system applies.
01:52:30.000What that is, is you're guilty until proven innocent.
01:52:35.000It's the job of the pharmaceutical companies to prove that their engineered spike is safe.
01:52:44.000And so all of this pressure that comes back from folks like me saying, hey, this isn't right, and it looks like a duck and it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck, it's probably toxic because it's the common variable.
01:52:59.000I get criticized because, oh, well, prove that it's not safe.
01:54:53.000I am not the same body mass index as I was when I was 25.
01:54:59.000It seems that the common factor across many people that get both the vaccine adverse events and the disease, and by the way, there's a great paper out that tried to dissect long COVID and differentiate it from post-vaccination syndrome, which is what we're talking about.
01:55:22.000And they did statistical analysis, large cohort of patients.
01:55:29.000Long COVID and post-vaccination syndrome, in terms of the spectrum of the syndrome, their incidence, that kind of stuff, they're indistinguishable.
01:55:42.000One of the factors that seems to be common is this kind of hyperglycemic index.
01:55:50.000People that are not necessarily diabetic, but they may be pre-diabetic, or they have problems with carbohydrate metabolism, or they're eating too many sugars or whatever the thing is, so they've got elevated hemoglobin H1C, etc.
01:56:04.000People that have high glycemic indices seem to be particularly susceptible to these effects.
01:56:12.000Now that is a syndrome associated with an inflammatory state in blood vessels.
01:56:18.000So, you know, what you're asking again and again, because you are who you are, is in plain language, the big, you know, picture issues that are sitting out there that haven't been adequately addressed.
01:56:33.000Not only haven't been adequately addressed, but when you do address them, you get demonized.
01:56:38.000Even if you're just asking questions as far as like, what are the numbers?
01:56:48.000Now, we've talked, I don't want to avoid, you talked about some of the other adverse events, and you started talking about the ones that relate to immune response.
01:56:59.000And that is the tip of the iceberg that most people are familiar with is the common, CDC never talks about it, but it's clearly there in the literature, you know, in places, even New England Journal of Medicine, it's clearly there in the VARES database, is latent virus reactivation.
01:58:02.000By the way, that's one of the reasons why children basically shrug this disease off, is they haven't had that thymic involution.
01:58:10.000But one of the things that happens is your T cells become increasingly focused on suppressing the DNA viruses that we've all been parasitized by, like cytomegalovirus.
01:58:22.000And so you can watch over time the diversity of T cells in a person's body who's infected by CMV over time as they get older and older, their T cells get more and more and more focused on just trying to keep CMV in the box and not let it out.
01:58:38.000So when we see DNA viruses, you know, Pandora's box is opening and they're jumping out of there, okay, well the thing that keeps Pandora's box closed is T cell responses.
01:58:51.000And then we have, you know, I hope someday you get a chance to have Ryan Cole on, pathologist, deep understanding of this.
01:59:00.000As he points out, he's seeing referrals from oncologists of cancers that are unusual.
01:59:20.000No, Dr. Malone is not saying we're all going to die of cancer.
01:59:25.000But this is another of those little uh-ohs because the thing that keeps cancer suppressed is T cells.
01:59:34.000Then we have the laboratory data that we're seeing abnormalities in the key signaling molecules that T cells use to talk to each other, tolec receptors, that are associated, particularly with the mRNA vaccines.
01:59:50.000So something is happening, okay, that is causing release of T cell suppression, reactivation of latent DNA viruses, maybe some signals relating to oncology, some changes in T cell signaling behavior.
02:00:09.000And then there's this increasing awareness that there's some window of time, not sure how long, after vaccination when you're actually more susceptible to infection.
02:00:24.000And this may have something to do, so not only is the vaccine efficacy waning, but the multiple JAB strategy is actually creating more and more windows where people have this period of T cell suppression.
02:00:39.000So there's a whole lot in this box of immunology and what are the JABs doing to our immune system and how long does it last that is, let's say, gently, a little worrisome to some of us that have a background in these things.
02:00:54.000This T cell suppression, are there any studies on the amount of time that it takes before your system rebalances itself post-JAB?
02:01:06.000Like if you're dealing with three shots or four shots?
02:01:13.000This is the obscenity for me of this whole, well, we're going to give four shots because we don't really know, but we know we need to do something.
02:01:23.000I like to talk about the metaphor as a father.
02:01:30.000You give a three-year-old a hammer and everything becomes a nail.
02:01:34.000That's kind of a simple way of saying people that aren't well trained, given a powerful technology or tool, will abuse it and overuse it.
02:01:44.000In this case, there's multiple reasons not to do the multiple jabs.
02:01:49.000The simplest one for everybody to understand is when your son develops seasonal allergies to ragwig pollen or whatever, and it's so bad that he can't go to school, his eyes are running, he can't play in sports, whatever, you're like, oh, we've got to do something about this.
02:02:05.000I'm going to take him to rheumatologist, an allergist, and see what they can do.
02:02:09.000Well, they do a bunch of tests and they say, oh, your son is allergic to ragwig pollen or whatever the thing is.
02:02:21.000They're high doses of antigen that are administered repeatedly to your child.
02:02:28.000And what it does is induces something that as immunologists, we call hizone tolerance.
02:02:34.000Hyzone tolerance basically amounts to an ability by giving multiple injections at high levels of antigen to shut down T cells against in an antigen-specific fashion.
02:02:58.000Can I pause you for a second there before you continue?
02:03:00.000So you're saying that by, like if someone is allergic to things and they go to an allergist and they start getting shots, those shots shut down T cell response?
02:03:10.000So those shots, by doing so and shutting down T cell response, the idea is that it kicks your immune system in and it's supposed to fight off these things?
02:03:19.000Does it make you more vulnerable to other diseases?
02:03:22.000Because they're using that antigen, the ragweed pollen, it's causing deletion or downeregulation of the T memory population responsible for responding to Ragweed pollen.
02:03:34.000So, what it's doing is selectively shutting down the T response against that antigen.
02:04:04.000There's the high zone tolerance issue.
02:04:09.000And then there is with the multiple jabs that are mismatched for the current circulating virus.
02:04:14.000That's akin to repeatedly taking a flu vaccine from two seasons ago and hoping it's going to protect against this flu.
02:04:21.000Well, that's one of the more confusing things about this push for people to get boosted now with Omicron, because they keep saying with Omicron, we need to get.
02:04:37.000So do you want to open that can of Omicron?
02:04:41.000Well, I want to, what we know so far is, at least Peter McCullough said this, and I believe several other people have said this as well, that the immunity that you may have had to the alpha variant or the delta variant, it does not seem to work very well against Omicron.
02:05:00.000Nor does the immunity imparted by vaccines.
02:05:03.000By the way, since we're down this little rabbit hole, let me just say one thing.
02:05:07.000Peter called me and he said, Robert, make sure you talk to Joe and make it clear that although I spoke clearly and forcefully about one and done when I was on his show, that was before Omicron.
02:06:59.000ADE, so that's a whole nother rabbit hole, and I like to call it vaccine-enhanced infection or disease, because ADE is just one subset of that.
02:07:08.000But there is signs in some data, and we were talking about this just before the broadcast, from Denmark, among other places, of negative efficacy against Omicron as a function of the number of vaccinations up to three.
02:07:31.000So negative efficacy Negative efficacy means your probability of being infected is higher if you've taken the vaccine.
02:07:43.000And it's compared to unvaccinated, it seems to be somewhat higher if you've had one jab, even worse, even more likely to get infected if you've had two jabs, even more likely to get infected if you've had three jabs.
02:07:59.000Now, don't jump straight to ADE because the problem, just to illustrate this confounding variable problem, which is what all the statisticians argue about endlessly, is that there's all kinds of things that can complicate this interpretation.
02:08:20.000If somebody feels that they're fully vaxed and they're living, you know, they're a young person in Denmark or whatever, in Europe, okay, they're more likely to go engage in risky behaviors, such as maybe they're going to go out clubbing.
02:08:35.000Whereas before they may have said, no, I'm not going to go out clubbing.
02:08:41.000And so they engage in more risky behaviors.
02:08:44.000And so there's an example of a confounding variable, one of many.
02:08:48.000So that's the, I want to caution that I'm not saying that this shows that we're having vaccine-enhanced infection.
02:08:57.000I'm saying that this is a risk which the FDA knew about, explicitly identified, told the vaccine manufacturers they should set up studies to detect whether or not it's happening, but didn't force them to do it.
02:09:14.000This is another one of the huge FDA fails here.
02:09:17.000They had the right and responsibility to ensure that we had good data about this, and they took a pass.
02:09:24.000They said, vaccine manufacturer, we think you should do this, but, you know, it's optional.
02:09:33.000That's like first rule of clinical development when you're in big pharma.
02:09:37.000You never ask a question that you don't want to know the answer to unless you're absolutely forced to do it.
02:09:43.000That's why the FDA is supposed to do its job.
02:09:46.000But in this case, with enhanced disease, a known risk of all prior coronavirus vaccine development efforts, including veterinary, chronic complication with those efforts, the reason why I focused on drug repurposing instead of vaccine development at the start of the outbreak when I got the call from Michael Callahan.
02:10:10.000I said, hmm, past history, ADE, hmm, this is going to take a long time.
02:10:41.000When you're saying statistically, it seems that one jab makes you more likely to get Omicron than unvaccinated, two jabs even more so, three jabs more so.
02:10:56.000It's coming, it's a series of analyses.
02:10:59.000There's a really active group of biostatisticians worldwide right now that are picking apart the primary data that's coming out.
02:11:08.000There was a paper that was published from the Netherlands, as I recall, that had, or it was a publication, official publication by the government that had the primary data, and then this primary data has been analyzed, reanalyzed, discussed on Substack, blah, blah, blah, torn apart and rebuilt.
02:11:30.000Now we put out a Substack statement that summarizes some of this that you can easily find from us, but it's an ongoing debate.
02:11:39.000But the effect size is now what the statisticians are arguing about is, well, whether or not they had the right number for the denominator of total cases.
02:11:51.000This gets back to my point that the databases are all contaminated because the incidence of the virus in the population is a function of testing.
02:12:04.000In other words, you don't look for it, you don't see it, then you assume you're not having it.
02:12:08.000And in the Netherlands, they have one of the best testing systems.
02:12:11.000So they are rigorously testing everybody for whether or not they're getting the virus.
02:12:15.000And so those numbers are a little, you know, sketchy.
02:12:20.000And that's what everybody's arguing about is should we be looking at only the 12 and above cohort?
02:12:26.000You know, it's all, this is, but the effect size is so large that it's, we can, we can argue about these confounding variables until the cows come home, but it's a big effect.
02:12:40.000It's going to be hard to account for, otherwise.
02:12:42.000It is not in peer-reviewed publications.
02:12:44.000This kind of stuff is wicked hard to publish these days, and it takes months.
02:12:51.000So would the assumption be that there's something that's happening to people that are vaccinated where it makes them more susceptible to this particular strain of COVID because this particular strain of COVID, this Omicron, is a vaccine escape variant, meaning that it sort of tried to find its way around the protection of the vaccine.
02:13:27.000And so in a world, a proper world, where we are allowed to debate these things and do these kinds of studies and examine these kinds of variables without being in social media, we would have a very active discussion about this hypothesis and many others.
02:13:44.000Now, that's my way of not answering your question.
02:13:49.000Well, is there a mechanism that would point to one of two things, whether it is a decrease in an immune response of a person who's been vaccinated or some opportunity?
02:14:03.000So let me throw out, so you just hit, let me go down the rabbit hole of that first comment you made, okay?
02:14:09.000So what we're doing is with administering a mismatched vaccine is we're driving the effector and memory cells, B and T, towards a population that is focused on a virus that no longer exists.
02:14:27.000So it's not, in immune response, you don't get everything.
02:14:34.000And with what I think, you know, you didn't ask me the question, but I'm going to answer it anyhow.
02:14:41.000What is your hypotheses for the poor durability of the vaccines?
02:14:45.000My answer is it looks to me like original antigenic sin.
02:14:50.000Well, that's kind of a cool terminology.
02:14:56.000And I think what could be happening with these data, as you're just following your hypothesis you just shared, consistent with that, is that we're driving the immune response towards responding to an antigen, the receptor binding domain, a spike, that no longer exists with Omicron.
02:15:19.000Now, it has become clear, it was initially denied, but it's become clear that all of us have a background immune response against beta coronaviruses.
02:15:31.000These are naturally circulating cold coronaviruses that have significant immunologic cross-reactivity with SARS-CoV-2.
02:15:41.000And the problem with that and original antigenic sin is that those existing memory cells will dominate the immune response when you get infected and when you get vaccinated.
02:15:55.000Now, let me unpack that in a way that kind of makes sense for the common person.
02:15:59.000We all know that, well, in war, the homily is, we're always best prepared for the last war.
02:16:10.000In your life, the sum of your prior life experiences biases how you respond to, I mean, in your martial arts, you must know this, right?
02:16:37.000You now understand original antigenic sin because the prior exposure of your immune system to an antigen that is closely related to a new antigen.
02:16:48.000You know, if you are having martial art competition with a person of a certain ethnic background or physical characteristics or whatever, and they have certain strategies that they use, the next time you encounter somebody that looks like that and seems to move like that, you're going to say, oh, they're going to use the same kind of strategies.
02:17:13.000Your immune system acts the same way with viruses.
02:17:16.000And it could be that they've got a whole different toolkit, and you're busy fighting this war, and they come in and, boom, you're dead, right?
02:17:26.000So we've got a new pathogen, but it's got a series of overlaps with the old ones that we've seen before.
02:17:33.000And our immune system is biased to respond as if it's the old one.
02:17:38.000Now, to make matters worse, we're taking the spike protein, only one of the proteins, the dominant, immunologically dominant protein, and we're jabbing everybody multiple times and driving memory cells and effector cells that are to a virus that is not the one we're encountering.
02:18:00.000So it could very well be that as you're taking more jabs, you're further skewing your immune response in a way that's dysfunctional for infection to Omicron compared to somebody that is immunologically naive.
02:18:17.000They only have, presumably, they've either recovered from an earlier, because we've got to remember the baseline group, the non-vaccinated group, is actually complicated because it's got those that haven't had the virus before, but they've had beta coronaviruses, and those that have had a prior infection and are naturally immune.
02:18:37.000So you can appreciate that looking at these things kind of gets squirrely.
02:18:42.000There's a lot of moving parts, but when you see a signal this strong, it's saying something's going on.
02:18:50.000You ought to pay attention to it, in my opinion.
02:18:54.000What is the difference between the spike protein that's generated from the injection of the vaccine versus all of the variables that your body encounters when it's been infected by COVID?
02:19:33.000When you get infected, or I get infected, it's typically nasal or oropharynx.
02:19:39.000It's coming in through the mucosal membranes of your head.
02:19:46.000And by the way, that's one of the other things that's kind of cool about Omicron in a good way, is that the prior strains infect mostly deep lung.
02:19:56.000And there's really fascinating data from Hong Kong suggesting that Omicron is infecting upper airway more.
02:20:03.000That is a characteristic of less pathogenic influenza viruses.
02:20:08.000And hopefully, what we know about Omicron is even though it's more infectious and replicates the higher levels, it's less pathogenic.
02:21:35.000And it's affecting the throat for some reason.
02:21:38.000A lot of the people that I know that got Omicron had a throatache, a soreness of the throat before.
02:21:44.000That is paradoxically really good news.
02:21:47.000By the way, that's called primary data, anecdotal primary data, but it beats modeling data from the CDC, which is what the New York Times has been reporting, that we're all have, by this point, we're all supposed to have 70 or 80 percent of all the virus in the United States is supposed to be Omicron.
02:22:03.000That is based on what is now known to be erroneous modeling.
02:22:08.000And all of us that were inside, when we saw this come out, we knew the group in the UK that did the modeling.
02:22:15.000And we were like, oh, these guys have over-promised.
02:22:18.000They have basically put out scare modeling all the way through this outbreak.
02:22:22.000And we should take this with a grain of salt.
02:22:24.000And now the press is all backpedaling, and the CDC is backpedaling, saying, oh, I think we got it wrong.
02:22:31.000And there's still a lot of delta in the population.
02:22:34.000But, you know, your buddies, if it's circulating here in Austin and you're hearing people that are having more of the sore throat and runny nose and less of the, my chest is burning, and I've lost taste and smell, okay, that's just to kind of open that up a little bit.
02:22:55.000With H1N1 influenza, just to take one example, we have high pathogenicity and low pathogenicity versions of H1N1.
02:23:04.000What that means is some of them will kill you and some of them won't, more or less.
02:23:11.000the difference seems to be the virus, the receptor, the nuances of the receptor that the virus is hitting and using to initially infect cells.
02:23:23.000And the low pathogenicity H1N1s infect the upper airway.
02:23:30.000And the high-pathogenicity H1N1s infect the deep lung.
02:23:34.000The prior SARS-CoV-1s have been hit in deep lung.
02:23:39.000So this report that you're giving me from your buddies that you think is probably Omicron is consistent with the Hong Kong data.
02:23:50.000And we know from South Africa for sure that Omicron, and WHO made the statement there are no known deaths associated with Omicron in the world.
02:24:29.000So and now it's been documented at least two cases when there were reported deaths from Omicron, and people actually went back.
02:24:40.000They got picked up in the legacy media and circulated as, oh my God, it's going to kill us again, more fear porn.
02:24:47.000Then people went again like they did with the ivermectin story, remember, about the hospital that was all full of ivermectin toxicity, and then someone bothered to call the hospital.
02:25:46.000Okay, it's rhinoviruses, it's coronaviruses, it's influenza, you know, it's a lot of things.
02:25:53.000There's a lot of respiratory viruses that are floating around.
02:25:56.000But getting back on track with Omicron, it is absolutely looking like Omicron is a mild variant.
02:26:07.000It is absolutely able to escape prior vaccination, the control of prior vaccination, typically with mismatched vaccine.
02:26:21.000It seems to be also able to infect a subset of people that are naturally immune, probably less than the subset that get infected with vaccination.
02:26:34.000And this is a kind of a key message to your audience.
02:26:38.000The reproductive coefficient, that's more fancy language, the reproductive coefficient, but many of your audience is going to know that, that's the R0.
02:26:49.000The R0 of the original strain, Wuhan strain, was about 2 to 3.
02:26:53.000That means that if I'm infected, on average, without any other interventions, I'll infect 2 to 3 other people.
02:27:01.000And for Delta, the R0 was more in the range of 5 to 6.
02:27:07.000If I'm infected, no vaccination, no social distancing, no masking, blah, blah, blah.
02:27:12.000The average rate of transmission would be I would infect five or six people.
02:27:17.000In the case of Omicron, the R0, the base reproduction coefficient, is in the range of 7 to 10.
02:27:37.000Whether you use masks or not, use social distancing or not, unless you're going to go live on the Mir Trail and not talk to anybody when you pass them, you're going to get infected.
02:28:05.000And then, as if that isn't bad enough, we've got the federal government monking around with availability of the monoclonal antibodies.
02:28:15.000That was the next thing I was going to ask you about.
02:28:17.000Why would they do that when, what is the percentage of Delta versus Omicron out there, and how do we know?
02:28:23.000So here, I just alluded to that a minute ago, and this is another fascinating story, and it's kind of being covered up.
02:28:29.000It's starting to be covered by the press, but they're not going back to the cause.
02:28:34.000Remember I said that there was a group in the UK, Imperial College, didn't give the specifics before, but there's a group in the UK that does modeling.
02:28:44.000And they came out with some modeling projections that basically the entire UK hospital system was going to be inundated with Omicron shortly, basically Christmas time.
02:28:55.000And a lot of us looked at that and went, yeah, those are the same guys that have predicted that we're going to have millions and millions and millions of dead and there are going to be bodies stacked up in coolers in the UK.
02:29:09.000And it sure looks like they may have overshot again.
02:29:12.000The CDC seems to have taken those modeling projections and those models and they put out, you remember in mid-December, right before Christmas, Merry Christmas.
02:29:23.000Oh, you're all going to get infected by COVID and it's going to sweep through and we're going to have 80% of COVID by this time of this month.
02:29:31.000Well, how about that ridiculous press release from the White House that said we're the winner of the unvaccinated death, experience a winner of death and overwhelming hospitalizations?
02:29:45.000All I can say is that the political genius behind that should be taken out behind in the woodshed and given a good whooping because that was just horrible political messaging.
02:29:56.000It's horrible and in terms of Omicron, so inaccurate.
02:30:30.000They completely disregard the federal common rule.
02:30:34.000They have broken all the rules that I know of, that I've been trained on for years and years and years.
02:30:40.000These mandates of an experimental vaccine are explicitly illegal.
02:30:46.000They are explicitly inconsistent with the Nuremberg Code.
02:30:50.000They are explicitly inconsistent with the Belmont Report.
02:30:54.000They are flat out illegal and they don't care.
02:30:57.000And the only thing standing between us, and it's too late for many of our colleagues, including my, you know, the unfortunate colleagues in the DOD, hopefully we're going to be able to stop them before they take our kids.
02:32:04.000So he sent me the modeling data, and he sent me the documentation that the modeling data that the CDC was putting out in the New York Times and the press and all amplified, you know, when we all said, oh, we're going to have 70 or 80 percent Omicron in the population by this time of this year.
02:32:24.000The only actual data they had was up to about December 4th, as I recall.
02:32:29.000And it showed only a tiny fraction of Omicron in the population.
02:32:32.000But then they applied their mathematical models that they apparently got from Imperial College, and they said, oh, the curve is going to look like this, and therefore that's where we're going to be at this point in time, and therefore we're going to have 70% infection.
02:32:45.000And the press all picked it up, and they just assumed that that was based on real data, not modeled data.
02:32:53.000What I'm hearing from docs in the field again and again, and I had a bunch of people call me before I came on your show.
02:32:59.000Everybody was like, Robert, say this to Joe.
02:33:03.000But you're so important that everybody wants to get their angle in.
02:33:08.000But what I'm hearing in the field is that Delta is still dominant.
02:33:14.000And these are hospitalists and people treating disease.
02:33:18.000And so they're seeing a skewed population.
02:33:21.000But it's important to remember that when the CDC says those kinds of numbers, they're talking about incidents.
02:33:29.000That is the moment, you know, how many have actually been infected at that slice of time.
02:33:34.000But what you see in the hospitals, and this is something the press misses all the time.
02:33:39.000So they do, like you're hearing all this fear porn about how the hospitals have filled up in New York City and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
02:33:50.000Omicron causes a short-term limited illness.
02:33:57.000When it puts you in the hospital, you can be there for a month to two months.
02:34:03.000What you're seeing in hospitalized cases right now appears to be dominantly Delta because the CDC overestimate the fraction of the population that was, they overestimated how aggressively Omicron was going to move into the U.S. population.
02:34:21.000Maybe that means our social distancing and masking is working.
02:34:25.000But it's not moving in as fast as they had been projecting.
02:34:29.000And the bulk of the disease that the docs that I'm talking to are seeing in hospitals appears to be Delta.
02:34:36.000Well, wouldn't that be because the people that are catching Delta are the ones that need to be hospitalized as the people that are catching Omicron that don't need to be hospitalized.
02:34:45.000And I'm looping back now to your antibody point, okay, is the geniuses in our public health system said, oh no, Omicron, based on this modeling data, is going to be moving into the population.
02:35:01.000We need to pull the monoclonals that are delta-specific and only administer, only allow people to use the monoclonals that are Omicron specific because it's going to drive further evolution otherwise.
02:35:42.000So, you know, Joe Lapido, Surgeon General in the state of Florida, has put out public statements now on, I think it's Twitter, among other things, saying, decrying what the federal government has done of pulling all of the regular monoclonals.
02:36:00.000What I'm hearing from frontline docs is those older Regeneron monoclonals, et cetera, are still very effective in their hospitalized population, presumably because it's still predominantly Delta, and yet they're no longer able to get it.
02:36:17.000So the government has literally stopped the distribution of medicine, effective medicine, for a disease that exists currently.
02:37:01.000I mean, when you see this kind of decoupling of public policy from logic, then it causes thinking people like yourself to say, what the hell's going on here?
02:37:16.000And then we go down the rabbit hole, is it this, that, or the other thing?
02:37:20.000One of the things in that spectrum of what's going on is that the emergency use authorizations are predicated on policy determinations that were in a state of emergency.
02:37:45.000There is, I'm not saying this is what's going on in their head, but there is another perverse incentive here to amplify the fear porn and to amplify if you buy into the hypothesis that for some reason there are incentives for the government to maintain the state of emergency,
02:38:12.000that is one explanation given that those declarations are expiring and will have to be re-implemented.
02:38:21.000Because if they're not, then all of this emergency use authorization vanishes like dust.
02:38:28.000So are you saying, are you implying that perhaps one of the reasons why they're removing monoclonal antibodies is to enhance the amount of people that are sick?
02:38:40.000I'm saying it is in the spectrum of the range of possible, just the same as the withholding of early treatments is inexplicable.
02:38:50.000And this is inexplicable in that we know that they're very effective.
02:38:53.000I have personal evidence that they're very effective.
02:38:57.000The fact that they're removing this and that you would even consider that the reason why they're doing it is to extend the emergency use authorization is that's insane.
02:40:05.000For me, the disclosure of emails that Cliff Lane, Tony Fauci, and Francis Collins actively conspired to destroy any discussion of the appropriateness of lockdown strategies, and the mainstream press hardly covers it, and there are no consequences.
02:40:32.000The document trail having to do with the gain of function research and the implication of NIH, and by the way, DITRA in that, having absolutely no consequences for anybody.
02:40:48.000We're in an environment in which truth and consequences are fungible.
02:40:54.000This is modern media management and warfare.
02:40:58.000The truth is what those that are managing the Trusted News Initiative say it is.
02:41:10.000And for me personally, it's so confusing that I find myself in a situation where I feel compelled to have people like you on because I don't know where else this is going to get out.
02:42:33.000There's this claim I'm doing all this because I seek attention.
02:42:36.000Trust me, this is not a fun thing to be doing at this stage.
02:42:42.000Physicians at FLCC in senior positions, highly like Peter McCullough, people at the culmination of exceptional careers.
02:42:56.000Paul Merrick, an exceptional physician by any standards, run out of his hospital, demeaned, destroyed, actively attacked, trying to take his license.
02:43:16.000People are losing faith in the whole system.
02:43:20.000They're losing faith in the scientific enterprise.
02:43:23.000They're losing faith in our government.
02:43:25.000They're losing faith in the vaccine enterprise.
02:43:28.000I mean, what is going to be the long-term consequences of public health when you have a large fraction of the population who wasn't anti-vax or that pejorative before that are now saying, oh my God, if this is how these people make decisions, I don't want anything to do with it.
02:43:45.000I certainly don't want it jabbed into my kid.
02:43:47.000Well, that's one of the more disturbing things, the opposite of that, is one of the more disturbing things about this pandemic is how people have just decided, because they're scared and because they want a solution, that the pharmaceutical companies have their best interests at heart and that they're not these machines that are designed to make money.
02:44:10.000And they sell drugs and the drugs are often beneficial, but their main goal is to make money.
02:44:16.000And if they can fudge the data, if they can move the numbers around, if they can delete negative consequences.
02:44:22.000Pfizer is one of the most criminal pharmaceutical organizations in the world based on their past legal history and fines.
02:44:51.000As you appropriately point out, they are about profit, return on investment.
02:44:57.000And furthermore, the overlords that own them, BlackRock, Vanguard, State Street, etc., these large, massive funds that are completely decoupled from nation states, have no moral core.
02:45:18.000That and the fact that we as a society have become grossly fragmented through social media, electronic appliances, the stress of what we've experienced.
02:45:30.000And this leads into this whole issue of mass formation psychosis that Matthias Desmett at the University of Ghent has promoted that for many of us, when Matias, a psychologist and statistician, interesting combination, came made public, a lot of us, as we listened to Matthias, we said, oh, that makes sense.
02:45:52.000That was like the brain, what happened when I encountered the Trusted News Initiative.
02:45:58.000I said, oh, I don't know if you saw the Brett Weinstein podcast with me and Steve Kirsch that lit this whole fire all over the world.
02:46:07.000Brett ends with basically the question, if you listen to the long version, of how does this happen?
02:46:16.000How do we have this emergent phenomena?
02:46:21.000And behind the how question is the why question.
02:46:26.000The how question of a third of the population basically being hypnotized and totally wrapped up in whatever Tony Fauci and the mainstream media feeds them, whatever CNN tells them is true.
02:46:45.000The other day I was looking through New York Times' recent articles about Omicron and pediatrics in preparation for this and for making some slideshows.
02:46:56.000And I saw this headline in the New York Times, epidemiologist and a vaccinologist, and the title was, How You Should Think About Children and Omicron.
02:47:10.000It was blatantly saying, this is how you should think.
02:47:21.000Now, what Matthias Desmett has shared with us, brilliant insight, is another one of those, aha, now that part makes sense, which is that this comes from basically European intellectual inquiry into what the heck happened in Germany in the 20s and 30s.
02:47:43.000You know, very intelligent, highly educated population, and they went barking mad.
02:47:53.000The answer is mass formation psychosis.
02:47:57.000When you have a society that has become decoupled from each other and has free-floating anxiety and a sense that things don't make sense, we can't understand it, and then their attention gets focused by a leader or a series of events on one small point, just like hypnosis.
02:48:19.000They literally become hypnotized and can be led anywhere.
02:48:24.000And one of the aspects of that phenomena is the people that they identify as their leaders, the ones typically that come in and say, you have this pain and I can solve it for you.
02:48:36.000I and I alone can fix this problem for you.
02:48:41.000Then they will lead, they will follow that person through.
02:48:44.000It doesn't matter whether they lie to him or whatever.
02:49:39.000Matias' recommendation is you've got to get people to realize that what we've got is a situation of global totalitarianism.
02:49:50.000In his experience in Europe, making people realize there's a bigger threat than the virus can cause a separation psychologically in this fusion, this hypnosis that has happened.
02:50:05.000The problem is, then you're just substituting a bigger boogeyman from the current one.
02:50:09.000And somebody else can come in and manipulate that.
02:50:12.000But the real problem, and it gets back to your core point, we're sick as a society, and we have to heal ourselves.
02:50:21.000And one of the things we have to do is come together.
02:50:40.000And I think that this insight of Matthias Desmut is really central to kind of making sense out of all of this crazy.
02:50:50.000We've got a world in which the press is incentivized to push a storyline because they're all controlled by the same large funds that Pfizer is, and so is tech.
02:51:04.000I don't know how we're going to get out of it, but it's got to start with us, all of us, finding common ground.
02:51:12.000I think one way we're going to get out of it is by realizing what it is.
02:51:16.000And by the way you just explained it and the way Peter McCullough explained it and he was on the podcast as well, this mass formation psychosis that we're currently experiencing, most people are unaware that's even happening.
02:51:27.000All these events take place and it's this perfect storm of the social media aspect of it, the fact that we are disconnected, the COVID, the separation, the isolation from society, the lockdowns, also coming off of the four years of Trump, where we're so polarized politically.
02:51:50.000And it's become very, not just common, but accepted to other people, to point at those, the others, whether it's the Republicans or the Democrats or the Independents, whatever you choose to make.
02:53:04.000And it's people who don't have personal sovereignty and people who aren't confident with standing by their own thoughts and objectively analyzing things outside of an ideology, outside of the tribe.
02:53:22.000Those people are very susceptible right now, and those are more common than not.
02:53:26.000So, Joe, again, this is not me buttering you up, but this is why you're providing such a service to your country and to humanity, because you're one of the few voices that has an audience that is not Democrat or Republican or black or white or vaccinated or unvaccinated, or all these dipoles that we create artificially.
02:53:57.000And you are trying to speak to that persuadable middle and do so with an open heart and an open mind and in a world in which all of the information is being so carefully manipulated and so pervasively distorted.
02:54:25.000And I think the world should be grateful for your leadership.
02:54:29.000Well, I'm very grateful that there's courageous people like yourself that do put your reputations and your careers on the line by speaking out against this stuff when it is very difficult.
02:54:39.000And when you do get deplatformed for doing that, they know that by censoring you, they're not just censoring you.
02:54:46.000They're also making others like you self-censor.
02:55:12.000And it's crazy because you're self-censoring about your area of expertise, which is insane because the people who are censoring you don't have any education in it.
02:56:38.000But there's two hills that I'm willing to die on.
02:56:43.000One is stopping the jabs in the children.
02:56:46.000And one is resisting the erosion of free speech, which is a fundamental principle on which our democracy and our society, civilized Western culture is built on.
02:57:03.000I like to say when I give rallies, do you remember back a couple of years ago when you felt sorry for the people in the People's Republic of China because their internet was filtered?
02:57:36.000If we give into this, we give into vaccine passports and having an app on your phone that shows everything you're doing in terms of your medical history, and they've even offered people extra credit.
02:57:46.000There was an article on Yahoo about having access to your browser history.
02:57:51.000And they framed it in this very positive way, that having access to your browser history may allow you to receive extra credit.
02:58:00.000So you would be available, you'd have credit available to buy a home or a car.
02:58:18.000It doesn't matter whether or not, if it's on your record, it doesn't matter whether or not you did it or what the extenuating circumstances were.
02:58:27.000And your score basically will determine the tax on your access to credit in the form of the interest that you pay on the money that they have been given by the federal government.
02:58:40.000Okay, that's the way this ecosystem works.
02:58:43.000They get that money at a huge discount, and then they decide how worthy you are to receive it if you want to have credit.
02:58:52.000And so if you want to understand a little tiny version of the social credit system, it's right there in your credit score.
02:58:59.000I think the only thing that helps us here is that this may be the one subject where everyone loses.
02:59:09.000People on the left, people on the right, people in the center, everyone loses if they impart a social credit system.
02:59:17.000If there is some sort of social credit app that you have to carry around on your phone that determines where you're allowed to go and what you're allowed to do, we're all going to lose.
02:59:33.000But I mean, the general public, the people, the people that are divided about COVID, the people that are now othering each other and, you know, you losers who got the jab and look at you unvaccinated plague rats, this nonsense that's going on.
02:59:45.000Maybe this will be the one thing that unites us because we'll realize that this is tyranny.
02:59:49.000Or if it won't, welcome to the new boss.
03:00:15.000They're challenged uniquely already because they are growing up with social media.
03:00:20.000They're growing up with TikTok and these invasive apps that are tracking all their movement and everything they do and buy and see and what they look up and they cross-platform.
03:00:34.000And the fact that it's happened and it happened so quickly and that our data, which seemed to be nothing, became one of the most valuable commodities in the world.
03:00:44.000And that data is used to manipulate all the people on the planet.
03:00:51.000So we're touching on some deep stuff about the kids.
03:00:54.000And forgive me for a unabashed promotion for the Unity Project, which I serve as chief medical and regulatory officer for.
03:01:04.000So that's unityprojectonline.com or org.
03:01:16.000And if you go on that site, you'll see a podcast that I did with a pediatric psychiatrist out of LA and a pediatric cardiologist who's also a PhD in vascular inflammation, Kurt Milhan.
03:01:36.000And I got those two guys on to talk about what's happening to our children.
03:01:42.000And in particular, the psychological damage of these lockdowns, this mask use, the school policies, the bullying of children who are unvaccinated.
03:02:00.000We're having a worldwide epidemic of suicide in children.
03:02:05.000We are having a huge surge of drug abuse in adolescents.
03:02:12.000We're having demonstrable drops in IQ and fundamental developmental milestones in the very young, like 20 IQ points.
03:02:25.000Children have to see faces to learn how to speak and to interact socially.
03:02:33.000You're talking about social intelligence, which you're deep in, and connectedness.
03:02:40.000We're raising a generation of children that have been blocked from their ability, because their brains are developing extremely rapidly at this age, the ability for their brains to assimilate the information necessary for them to become functional citizens and parents.
03:03:00.000We're destroying it without a second thought.
03:03:04.000And the damage is going to last for generations.
03:03:08.000And as if that's not bad enough, we're allowing the state to insert itself into the family and make decisions by mandating vaccination.
03:03:21.000This is why these childhood vaccines mandates are obscene.
03:03:28.000We're setting up a situation in which children are going to see peers who have been vaccine damaged as a consequence of the policies that their teachers and their government have forced on them.
03:03:42.000The damage here is going to be with us for generations.
03:04:06.000On the annual roundup of stories that have been underreported, one of the speakers got up, journalist, and said to the other group, I think one of the most underreported stories has been the damage that's happened to our children.
03:05:21.000One of the things, there is clearly an androgen component to the risk of both the vaccine and the disease of the virus.
03:05:30.000And that's why anti-androgens, by the way, Pierre Corey, shout out to him for a champion of androgens being added to his MathPlus protocol, particularly for men.
03:05:44.000So, wire boys, there's probably a component of that that has to do with an artifact in the data.
03:05:55.000That being that us old codgers, in general, as a population, have a much higher risk of cardiac events.
03:06:03.000And so if there's a heart attack in one of us, it's really hard to say, is it just because we're old?
03:07:44.000But the nurses are speaking out, and they're saying, hey, we're seeing strokes and heart attacks and these other types of problems that are known to be associated with the jabs.
03:07:54.000It's hard to say because we got the virus and the vaccines overlapping.
03:08:05.000We know that the deaths are happening.
03:08:07.000That's like the excuses that are made about the sudden deaths in high-performing athletes that are being observed all over the world, particularly in footballers, where they're just suddenly dropping.
03:08:22.000Is it because they've been infected or are they because they've been jabbed?
03:09:58.000The problem with Substack, yeah, it is least censored, and I would love more Substack subscriptions, but I have a financial conflict of interest there, so I don't want to pump it.
03:10:07.000But that is I try to use Substack for more in-depth intellectual pieces, thought pieces, not just, I mean, Alex, bless his heart, he blasts everything out as if Substack is Twitter.
03:11:45.000So, folks, we actually went outside and talked, and Robert realized that he had forgot to tell everybody about this rally, and then I picked up Snoop, who's with me now.
03:12:27.000And our hope is that we bring people together.
03:12:30.000I know that's one of your core messages.
03:12:32.000People from every walk of life, every party, every religion, every ethnic background, Democrat, Republican, vaccinated, unvaccinated.
03:12:46.000The thing that we can agree on is personal liberty and the right of people to make their own choice.
03:12:53.000And that's what this rally is about, is to resist these mandates of the vaccine.
03:12:59.000Whether you believe in it or don't believe in it, I hope that you believe in the integrity and freedom of your fellow man and woman to make their own bodily choices.
03:13:10.000So this is going to be part of a same-day worldwide rally for freedom that's going to come across the entire world.
03:13:18.000This is in Australia, in Europe, in UK, and in the United States for the first time.
03:13:28.000We're asking, our objective is to end the vaccine mandates and also no vaccine passports, no vaccination for healthy children, no to censorship, no to limits on reasonable debate and this censorship and propaganda that we're constantly bombarded with.
03:13:50.000We believe in the power of natural immunity.
03:13:52.000We believe and insist on informed consent, and we insist on allowing doctors and patients making decisions without interference together.
03:14:02.000So, Joe, thank you for allowing me to correct my grievous error here.