The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1008

00:00:06.000 Alright, gentlemen, we're live with a freshly fed Uriah Faber.

00:00:10.000 No more dieting, no more weight cutting.

00:00:12.000 Is his mic on?

00:00:14.000 Hello?

00:00:15.000 There we go.

00:00:15.000 There it is.

00:00:16.000 Yeah, just pull that sucker up to you.

00:00:18.000 Got it.

00:00:18.000 And Cody motherfucking Garbrandt.

00:00:21.000 Finally made it.

00:00:22.000 Yeah, here.

00:00:22.000 Gentlemen, what's happening?

00:00:24.000 Just chilling.

00:00:24.000 We had a nice little beach run and I jumped in the ocean.

00:00:28.000 Cody kept his shoes on and all that good stuff.

00:00:29.000 You still got a mouthful of those green belly bars, don't you?

00:00:32.000 You tuck it in your mouth like a squirrel.

00:00:34.000 Look at him.

00:00:36.000 These teeth are special, too.

00:00:38.000 I have pockets in here.

00:00:39.000 I need to floss twice a day.

00:00:41.000 This guy was making fun of me.

00:00:42.000 He's like, bro, you've been brushing your teeth for 20 minutes.

00:00:45.000 20 minutes straight brushing his teeth.

00:00:47.000 I brushed my teeth, walked out, and I was like, man, he's still brushing his teeth.

00:00:53.000 Made me have to second guess that I brushed my teeth long enough to have to go in there and do it again.

00:00:58.000 I got big teeth, man.

00:00:59.000 I never had braces or anything, so I've got all these natural little gaps.

00:01:02.000 I'm like a squirrel.

00:01:04.000 My food gets stored up in there.

00:01:05.000 I've got to get it out.

00:01:06.000 I understand.

00:01:07.000 I understand.

00:01:08.000 How does it feel to not have to worry about—we were talking about this before the podcast—not have to worry about weight cutting anymore, to be able to eat healthy, not banged up anymore?

00:01:16.000 Man, it's been really, really nice.

00:01:19.000 You know, I always kind of envision, after even wrestling in college, having a break and then We went 14 years longer fighting people, but it is really nice to be able to...

00:01:30.000 I mean, you go train.

00:01:31.000 I train when I want to, but I don't do the stuff I don't want to.

00:01:34.000 I get in and do the grappling rounds and whatnot, but I just feel so much better.

00:01:38.000 I feel like I look healthier.

00:01:40.000 You do look healthier, but you made out of retirement perfect.

00:01:42.000 You know what I mean?

00:01:43.000 Like, you had a long career, but you didn't get too banged up.

00:01:47.000 Like, you just...

00:01:47.000 And you picked the right time.

00:01:49.000 You went out with a win, with a quality opponent, like, right off into the sunset.

00:01:53.000 I know, man.

00:01:53.000 I don't know.

00:01:54.000 It was a little luck, a little bit of...

00:01:55.000 It just felt right, though.

00:01:57.000 You know what I mean?

00:01:57.000 The last fight went out to, what, 5 million people on Big Fox.

00:02:01.000 It was the first fight...

00:02:03.000 In my hometown, in the new arena, it's like the heart and revived our town.

00:02:08.000 We had Cody fighting for the belt coming right up.

00:02:13.000 It was just perfect, man.

00:02:15.000 Yeah, you timed it good.

00:02:17.000 You timed it good.

00:02:19.000 It's nice to see someone do it the right way, and I hope other guys coming up can learn from you in that regard.

00:02:25.000 Well, one of the things I thought about was, first and foremost, Like, I've been rocked more in the last two and a half years of my practice and live fights than I had in my entire career, which is, you know, a lot of different factors.

00:02:40.000 Probably, you know, how many times you're rolling the dice.

00:02:42.000 You know, you get hit in the head a bunch of different times.

00:02:44.000 Things are loosened up a little bit.

00:02:46.000 You're getting a little bit older.

00:02:47.000 Guys are getting better.

00:02:48.000 I got Cody Garbrandt in the gym and Chad Mendes and, you know, Lance Palmer, these guys that hit heavy.

00:02:54.000 So...

00:02:55.000 I was just like, that's one factor.

00:02:57.000 Then I lost two fights in a row for the first time in my career ever, even though it was a decision to Dominic and a decision to, uh, what's his name?

00:03:07.000 Uh...

00:03:09.000 Oh, Riviera.

00:03:09.000 Jimmy Riviera.

00:03:11.000 And it was, like, kind of lackluster losses, but nonetheless, it was, like...

00:03:14.000 Yeah.

00:03:15.000 Just, like, you know what?

00:03:16.000 I'm not going to...

00:03:16.000 I'm going to call this one in a good time.

00:03:19.000 Smart.

00:03:20.000 Very smart, man.

00:03:21.000 And I really do hope more guys learn, you know, and pay attention to how you did it and do it the right way.

00:03:25.000 Because, like, how do you guys feel about, like...

00:03:28.000 You've seen a lot of these guys are going over to Bellator, and I think Bellator has signed some really good fighters, like Rory McDonald, Lorenz Larkin, Gegard Mousasi.

00:03:39.000 They've got some great talent over there, but they also have guys that are late 40s, 50s.

00:03:44.000 Freak show stuff.

00:03:45.000 Yeah, freak show stuff.

00:03:46.000 For me, we always talk about this.

00:03:48.000 I told Uriah, I said, if I start getting fucked up and they're knocked out, I'm going to keep fighting.

00:03:53.000 Make sure that you pull me away from it.

00:03:56.000 Be the homie that says, hey, sits me down.

00:03:58.000 Hey, let's do a different career path.

00:04:01.000 I always say that.

00:04:02.000 That's one thing I always say.

00:04:03.000 We're fighters.

00:04:04.000 We're always going to fight through it.

00:04:05.000 Obviously, a lot of Different reasons, you know, financially or sometimes it's just hard to walk away.

00:04:11.000 What do you do in, you know, the next chapter of your life?

00:04:13.000 People don't set that up.

00:04:14.000 You know, luckily, I'm fortunate.

00:04:16.000 I have a lot of, you know, good people around me.

00:04:18.000 So, you know, I have different avenues to go and I always tell them, hey, if I start getting fucked up in there, stop me.

00:04:24.000 Tell me I'm done.

00:04:25.000 It's also important to understand that the kind of intensity and focus that's required to be a great fighter, you could do anything.

00:04:31.000 Absolutely.

00:04:32.000 Just apply it.

00:04:33.000 Yep, just apply it.

00:04:33.000 Just figure out what that next thing is going to be and go at it the same way you went at your championship career.

00:04:37.000 Yep.

00:04:38.000 I always tell these guys, you know, we do talks before and after practice, and...

00:04:43.000 It's like a feather in the cap mentality.

00:04:45.000 We've got guys in there that won't see the UFC daylight.

00:04:49.000 I mean, they'll never see a step foot in the octagon.

00:04:51.000 But they get a little bit of pride, whether it was one day or it was 10 years or whatever, of being a part of that team.

00:04:57.000 And that's something they add to their life.

00:04:58.000 They take on them with the next thing.

00:05:00.000 Somebody just comes in for a week.

00:05:02.000 Some guys are going to make it to the big show.

00:05:05.000 Some guys are going to be world champions.

00:05:07.000 Some guys are going to be Hall of Famers.

00:05:10.000 Whatever your journey is, that's a proud thing.

00:05:13.000 You can put a feather in the cap and move on to whatever you're doing next.

00:05:17.000 But it's a bigger picture.

00:05:20.000 Journey's never over.

00:05:21.000 It's just always changing.

00:05:22.000 What do you do for a guy like Lance Palmer, who's a real world-class guy, but he's fighting in...

00:05:26.000 What do they call it now?

00:05:27.000 It's not World Series of Fighting anymore.

00:05:28.000 They have a new name for it, right?

00:05:30.000 Did they change the name?

00:05:31.000 Yeah.

00:05:31.000 It's like Real Pro Fighters or something like that.

00:05:33.000 Really?

00:05:33.000 Yeah.

00:05:34.000 But the problem is, nobody's watching.

00:05:37.000 Very few people are watching.

00:05:38.000 But he's a real, world-class, professional fighter.

00:05:40.000 Like, you see, when Justin Gaethje came over to the UFC, you realize, like, hey, this fucking kid is world-class.

00:05:45.000 And he's been fighting in an organization that no one's watching.

00:05:50.000 The hard part about that is, like you said, you've got a Gaethje and you've got a Lance Palmer.

00:05:55.000 They're still fighting tough-ass dudes over there.

00:05:57.000 So it's the same level of competition sometimes, sometimes even worse.

00:06:02.000 When they get all the Russians over in Bellator, those Russians are tough, dude.

00:06:06.000 Fuck yeah.

00:06:09.000 For Lance, we just have to exit him at the right opportunity.

00:06:12.000 He has to get on a little winning streak and be at the right time in his contract and be able to jump out and go to the big show.

00:06:19.000 But it's hard because he's fighting these tough guys.

00:06:22.000 The last guy he lost to, he broke his hand in the first round, and then he's fighting a tough guy, and it's like, oh, he lost in this show.

00:06:28.000 He lost against a world-class dude, and he's a world-class fighter.

00:06:33.000 It's hopefully just something where he can make that transition over.

00:06:35.000 How do you guys feel about win-lose paydays?

00:06:41.000 One thing that bothers me about MMA is that MMA, if you win, you get a certain amount, and if you lose, you get less.

00:06:49.000 I feel like you should have a contractual amount that you get paid.

00:06:55.000 And I feel like when you're leaving it up to the judges sometimes, and the judges, I mean, I'm sure both of you guys have been involved in, you know, at least teammates, getting terrible calls.

00:07:05.000 And you've seen it, and you go, what in the fuck?

00:07:08.000 You know, like, look, even in boxing, the Conor McGregor-Floyd Mayweather fight, two of those judges had Conor only winning one round.

00:07:14.000 Yeah.

00:07:15.000 They're smoking crack.

00:07:17.000 They're crazy.

00:07:17.000 I was looking around at those judges, too.

00:07:19.000 They were very familiar.

00:07:20.000 Some of them were MMA judges also.

00:07:23.000 Right.

00:07:24.000 There's a lot of them that did that.

00:07:25.000 They started with boxing and then they learned a little bit about MMA and then they came over and started judging MMA. But there's a lot of them that literally don't know what they're judging or know very little about it.

00:07:35.000 And your career could be...

00:07:36.000 I mean, you might have a hundred and a hundred.

00:07:38.000 So a $100,000 swing on someone who doesn't know jack shit, right?

00:07:43.000 Oh, it's terrible, dude.

00:07:44.000 That's crazy.

00:07:45.000 Yeah, that's crazy.

00:07:47.000 I guess for me as a fighter, I look at it like, it's rewarding, you know?

00:07:51.000 Right.

00:07:51.000 But then in the opposite scale of it, you can be on that losing call and horrible call, the refs screw you.

00:07:57.000 But I don't know, for me, it's MMA is so pure.

00:07:59.000 It's the most pure thing that you can do.

00:08:02.000 So you've got to go in there and fight for two checks just more.

00:08:04.000 You're training, you come out with two checks, you lose, it's...

00:08:07.000 For me, honestly, and I always remember getting a check afterwards, especially when I first started, I was like, oh yeah, I got paid for this.

00:08:14.000 Like literally, like it had nothing to do with the money at all.

00:08:18.000 And then you got that check and then you're like, oh man.

00:08:21.000 So if you're doing it for the right reasons, It should be, yeah, just your set amount.

00:08:29.000 I think that is to warrant against the guys that are doing it for the wrong reasons.

00:08:33.000 I think it was a good motivation at first or a good idea at first.

00:08:35.000 Exactly, when they're trying to build it.

00:08:37.000 But now it's not, we're not building it anymore.

00:08:39.000 Now it's a world-class professional sport.

00:08:41.000 And, you know, I remember Uriah when you were fighting in King of the Cage, dude, outside.

00:08:45.000 Yeah, I remember.

00:08:46.000 Yeah.

00:08:48.000 That was the first time I saw you fight.

00:08:49.000 I think you were fighting 55, too.

00:08:51.000 Yeah.

00:08:51.000 Well, I had to start.

00:08:52.000 I mean, there was no weight class for me at that time.

00:08:54.000 Yeah.

00:08:55.000 Now, I remember talking.

00:08:56.000 I remember I was all pumped because Rogan knew who I was because he followed all the underground shit.

00:09:01.000 I was super self-aware of how much my notoriety was in the bigger show.

00:09:06.000 Because YouTube, I started looking on there and I'd be like, I only have 1,500 people watching my shit on there.

00:09:12.000 And then Kid Yamamoto has like 250,000.

00:09:15.000 I'm like, fuck.

00:09:17.000 But yeah, I was fighting.

00:09:18.000 I mean, I fought Tyson.

00:09:20.000 My first loss...

00:09:22.000 It was against Tyson Griffin in Kanocti Casino in the parking lot.

00:09:27.000 And I hit him, like, kneed him, inside tripped him, and did a head dive into the steel pole and just gashed my head open like eight seconds into the fight.

00:09:39.000 And I'm just pouring down blood.

00:09:40.000 I remember that they didn't even have padding on the pole.

00:09:42.000 Well, they were supposed to do it, but the crew was running out of time, so they didn't even take the time to put the padding on the bottom level.

00:09:52.000 Leather on the top of it.

00:09:53.000 And I'm just fucking gushing blood, man.

00:09:56.000 I think we talked about this last time I was on your show.

00:09:58.000 Yeah, I think we did.

00:09:59.000 Paved the way, man.

00:10:00.000 Yeah, for real paved the way.

00:10:01.000 That was a terrible way to pave the way.

00:10:05.000 Fuck that!

00:10:07.000 But, you know, like I said, a lot of guys can learn from you, and I think it's good, man.

00:10:11.000 Thank you.

00:10:11.000 What's it like, you know, training in his gym?

00:10:13.000 And, like, when did you come here?

00:10:14.000 You came there, like, three years ago?

00:10:16.000 Yeah, about going on four.

00:10:17.000 Going on four now.

00:10:18.000 Almost four years.

00:10:19.000 I came out.

00:10:20.000 I was off an injury.

00:10:22.000 I had...

00:10:23.000 Symptom of vertigo from small concussions, and I broke my hand in my pro debut.

00:10:28.000 So I had a whole year layoff, and I always reached out to Uriah.

00:10:31.000 Lance was out there, so I knew Lance, wrestling him and his brother throughout our wrestling careers.

00:10:38.000 He always came and wanted me to come out there.

00:10:41.000 I finally hit Fayettebrook when I was 18, about, hey, I'm going to come out, check the gym out, see if it's a good date.

00:10:46.000 He ended up picking me back.

00:10:47.000 It wasn't until like four years later I was able to make the trip out there.

00:10:50.000 I said I had a year off.

00:10:52.000 I was like, dude, I'm not wasting any more time.

00:10:54.000 I know I'm good.

00:10:54.000 I want to see how good I am with some of the best in the world.

00:10:57.000 And we had all those killers out there.

00:10:58.000 They had TJ, Chad, Faber, Joe, Danny.

00:11:02.000 And Chris was on.

00:11:03.000 Holdsworth was on.

00:11:05.000 He just won the Ultimate Fighter.

00:11:07.000 That's a bad dude right there.

00:11:08.000 How's his head doing?

00:11:10.000 Uncrowned champ, bro.

00:11:11.000 I'm telling you.

00:11:12.000 Uncrowned champ.

00:11:13.000 He's doing okay.

00:11:14.000 I think it made him look at things a lot different.

00:11:18.000 He's like a gem in the gym.

00:11:20.000 He's a coach for us.

00:11:22.000 Everybody just soaks up what he's got.

00:11:24.000 And is he just going to stick with coaching now?

00:11:26.000 Or is he thinking about fighting in the future?

00:11:27.000 I think so, man.

00:11:27.000 How old is he now?

00:11:29.000 How old is Chris?

00:11:30.000 27. Still young.

00:11:32.000 Very young.

00:11:33.000 And he's been off for what, two years now?

00:11:36.000 Almost longer.

00:11:38.000 When TJ won the belt, it was his last fight.

00:11:40.000 They fought on the same card.

00:11:41.000 And so he was dealing with some concussion issues?

00:11:44.000 Yeah.

00:11:45.000 A lot of guys, I mean, remember TJ Grant was going to fight Benson Henderson for the title?

00:11:50.000 Started getting some concussion issues.

00:11:52.000 I mean, Holdsworth would have it where I'd look at him and one of his eyes would be all black and one would have like a little skinny dot in the middle.

00:12:01.000 And I'd be like, dude, what's going on?

00:12:03.000 And he'd be like, but like Holdsworth is like weirdo Master Tong always used to say, hey, TJ, champion, 80%.

00:12:14.000 Holdsworth, champion, 100%.

00:12:16.000 He would never come to our team gatherings.

00:12:20.000 He wouldn't go to the river.

00:12:21.000 He wouldn't do anything.

00:12:22.000 He was just all about training, almost like a problem.

00:12:25.000 But that's what happened to BJ Penn when BJ Penn won the BJJ World Championship, the first American to do it.

00:12:32.000 You get an obsession.

00:12:34.000 And he was just vision, vision, vision, had this obsession to be the best.

00:12:38.000 He was knocking guys out on accident in practice, high kicks and knees, you know, with knee pads on, like, just because he's good all the way around, but his jujitsu is the top.

00:12:48.000 Yeah, super good.

00:12:49.000 I remember coming out there and...

00:12:51.000 With all those guys in a year layoff.

00:12:54.000 And I was like, man, I'm going to see how good I am.

00:12:56.000 So I went out there and mixed well, good with the guys.

00:13:00.000 And I had a fight lined up.

00:13:01.000 I have a fight in two weeks, so I literally went out there for a week.

00:13:05.000 Faber came in the last day that I was there and matched me, put me through the gauntlet with all these Team Alpha Male guys.

00:13:11.000 It was wrestling day, so I was going with these guys.

00:13:14.000 And we walked off the mat, and he's staring me up and down, looking at my tattoos.

00:13:18.000 He's like...

00:13:19.000 He's like, what do you want to do?

00:13:20.000 I'm like, I want to fight in the UFC and be a world champ.

00:13:23.000 And he's like, alright.

00:13:24.000 And he's like, when can you come back out?

00:13:26.000 I'm like, I'll be back out next week.

00:13:28.000 And I'm sure hundreds of thousands of guys have been in there and said the same shit to him.

00:13:32.000 So I was like, I'll be back out.

00:13:34.000 Came out, you know.

00:13:35.000 The week after, we shook handshake.

00:13:37.000 He's like, alright, man.

00:13:38.000 He's like, get to 5-0 and we'll get you to the UFC. And just every fight I was saving up, I would fight.

00:13:45.000 We came out there for a week, did a camp, knocked him out, flew back, suitcase, was staying at the fighter house.

00:13:50.000 It was like 12 people in there from Japan, Canada, all over.

00:13:55.000 I mean, it was just...

00:13:56.000 Man.

00:13:56.000 You have a weird setup, right?

00:13:58.000 Like, do you still have that block in Sacramento?

00:14:00.000 The block of houses, that's how our team got built, and that was like, I bought a house in the time of the market where anybody could buy a house, like state income loan, and I didn't, I'm like, I'm gonna buy a house about like a...

00:14:14.000 Pre-2008?

00:14:15.000 Yes.

00:14:15.000 Before the crash?

00:14:16.000 Yes, before the crash.

00:14:17.000 It was 2005 or 2004 or 2005, and I had no job No income, really.

00:14:23.000 I was coaching wrestling camps and I was getting like $7,000.

00:14:27.000 But you could do it.

00:14:28.000 My Egyptian buddy was doing loans and he's like, I get you a loan.

00:14:32.000 I'm like, really?

00:14:32.000 He's like, yeah.

00:14:33.000 Say an income, do this, do that.

00:14:35.000 Work history because you're coaching now and you went to school as a teacher.

00:14:38.000 It's a two year, like all these different things.

00:14:40.000 I didn't know that that's the reason our whole economy crashed.

00:14:43.000 But I was able to get a fucking...

00:14:45.000 But worked with you.

00:14:46.000 Yeah, it worked for me.

00:14:48.000 I never defaulted.

00:14:49.000 I just moved all sorts of buddies in there.

00:14:51.000 On that block of houses, we had probably 45 people that went through there.

00:14:57.000 Chad lived there.

00:14:58.000 TJ lived there.

00:14:59.000 Justin Buckles lived there.

00:15:01.000 Master Tong lived there.

00:15:02.000 Fabio Prado, our coach, lived there.

00:15:04.000 We had four or five houses.

00:15:06.000 At this point, we've been selling them off.

00:15:09.000 Hopefully now, the sport's at a place where we can be in a nicer neighborhood.

00:15:14.000 So we're all trying to get in the same neighborhood in East Sac, the fabulous 40s.

00:15:18.000 That's the nice neighborhood in Sacramento?

00:15:21.000 That's the new block.

00:15:23.000 Sacramento's an interesting spot because you guys are surrounded by...

00:15:27.000 It's kind of country in a lot of ways.

00:15:30.000 There's like the rivers there.

00:15:31.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:15:33.000 Oh, it's beautiful.

00:15:34.000 Yeah, I love Sacramento.

00:15:35.000 A lot of outdoors activities.

00:15:36.000 Tahoe's close, San Fran.

00:15:38.000 Yeah.

00:15:39.000 Our way.

00:15:40.000 Reno.

00:15:40.000 It's a good spot.

00:15:41.000 It's a good centrally located spot.

00:15:43.000 And I mean, that's why I always say, and I think Cody, like, you know, as rough as Cody's background was, he had a core...

00:15:55.000 We're good to go.

00:16:06.000 Dealing with people and individuals walking on the street.

00:16:09.000 He's like a gentleman and has a heart for the kids that have disabilities, these kind of things.

00:16:16.000 That comes from that small town where there's accountability.

00:16:20.000 You know what I mean?

00:16:22.000 You're a good part of the community.

00:16:24.000 That's it.

00:16:25.000 I think Sacramento has a big enough city but a small enough town feel for that, which you lose some other places.

00:16:32.000 Yeah, definitely.

00:16:33.000 All the little mom and pop shops we go to.

00:16:36.000 Big Team Alpha Male fans, we get a discount.

00:16:38.000 It's almost like a Friday Night Lights football town, kind of.

00:16:41.000 Like, oh, we're the fighters out of there, so we get the hookup.

00:16:44.000 It's nice, and everyone's super nice with us.

00:16:46.000 So I moved to the gym.

00:16:48.000 The old gym was...

00:16:49.000 Downtown, so we moved it over by the stadium.

00:16:52.000 It's a state-of-the-art facility.

00:16:54.000 It's great.

00:16:55.000 We've got to drive through Fab 40s.

00:16:57.000 Where I live, I drive through the Fab 40s.

00:16:59.000 That's who's who making the nicest houses.

00:17:01.000 It's always nice to drive through that neighborhood.

00:17:03.000 I'm like, I'm going to buy a house here and go to the gym.

00:17:06.000 It's a nice little change-up this year we've had.

00:17:10.000 Yeah.

00:17:11.000 So right now, you're prepping to fight TJ to defend your title for the first time.

00:17:15.000 First of all, what does it feel like to be a UFC motherfucking bantamweight champion in the world?

00:17:19.000 Man, it's awesome.

00:17:20.000 I'll have it so fast.

00:17:22.000 Gotta feel pretty badass.

00:17:22.000 Yeah, it's awesome.

00:17:23.000 Now it's about what you do with the belt.

00:17:25.000 We were just speaking about this on our run.

00:17:27.000 Yeah, he started taking off when I started talking about this.

00:17:30.000 He got fired up.

00:17:31.000 Yeah, I was getting fired up.

00:17:32.000 I hate to run.

00:17:33.000 He's like, come on, let's do these runs.

00:17:35.000 He's always after the practice to do these...

00:17:39.000 Shitty ass runs, dude.

00:17:40.000 Shitty ass sprints on treadmills.

00:17:42.000 I'm like, dude, this is not fun.

00:17:43.000 Who wants to do this?

00:17:43.000 Ten minute sprints just on.

00:17:46.000 I'm like, this is shit that people don't want to do.

00:17:48.000 I'm like, I don't want to do this.

00:17:49.000 I'd rather sport.

00:17:49.000 I just hate running.

00:17:50.000 He did it with me once, and he was like, alright.

00:17:53.000 Do you think that running, I've had a conversation with a friend of mine about this, with Conor McGregor, because Conor doesn't run.

00:17:58.000 And he was like, I really feel like every athlete that's doing something that requires real endurance, like boxing or MMA or something like that, should run.

00:18:07.000 The act of moving your body, like forcing your body, like your legs propelling your body, and constantly working your lungs builds you the kind of lung stamina and strength that you can't get from anything else.

00:18:21.000 So that's a good question, and it's all different because, I mean, me and Cody had a discussion, and I'm like, Cody, look, dude, I know you don't like to do them.

00:18:33.000 I want you to do these fucking runs.

00:18:34.000 I'll get on a treadmill and do like a 10-minute, or put it on 10 and run for five-minute straights, and then I'll put it on 12 with a little incline and do like 40 seconds on, 20 seconds off.

00:18:45.000 And I had him do it with me once, and he's like, bro, he goes, look, I've always...

00:18:49.000 I've done this kind of thing.

00:18:50.000 I don't really like to run.

00:18:51.000 It's not part of my regimen.

00:18:52.000 I guarantee you I'm going to be in great shape.

00:18:54.000 And he went in there and he fought Dominic Cruz.

00:18:57.000 So you can't really argue with that.

00:18:58.000 But in my opinion, I think it's a great way to get yourself uncomfortable.

00:19:03.000 You can run easier.

00:19:05.000 You can run hard.

00:19:06.000 To simulate the feeling where your lungs are going to blow up and your head's going to pop and your fucking teeth hurt.

00:19:12.000 I like to be able to do that with running.

00:19:15.000 Mm-hmm.

00:19:16.000 But you can get the same thing in a hard go in wrestling or a jiu-jitsu go if you're pushing the pace or a boxing go.

00:19:22.000 If you can simulate that type of energy and expenditure.

00:19:26.000 But you're forced to do it when you're running really, really fast until you stop.

00:19:30.000 Yeah, there's no coasting, right?

00:19:31.000 Yeah.

00:19:32.000 But it's funny.

00:19:33.000 I asked Dan Henderson's good buddy.

00:19:37.000 I'm like...

00:19:38.000 When I first started fighting, I was training with Randy Couture and Dan Henderson.

00:19:42.000 They would come out to Sacramento and do little camps and stuff.

00:19:44.000 And I asked Dan Henderson's buddy, I'm like, bro, how many days a week does Dan run?

00:19:51.000 And this is 2006. And he's like, Dan hasn't ran in 12 years.

00:19:59.000 And that motherfucker's a savage, dude.

00:20:01.000 Yeah.

00:20:02.000 He's a savage.

00:20:03.000 He is a savage.

00:20:04.000 Yeah.

00:20:05.000 I think he's the toughest dude ever.

00:20:08.000 My uncle was an old school trainer, so we'd pad work, bag work, run, shadow box, and spar.

00:20:15.000 When I was younger, he would get us 50 rounds of work.

00:20:19.000 He's like, you get 50 rounds, you're ready for your fight.

00:20:20.000 We'd always spar 50 rounds of boxing rounds when we were younger.

00:20:23.000 50 rounds?

00:20:24.000 50 rounds of sparring.

00:20:26.000 Before a fight.

00:20:27.000 So it could be...

00:20:27.000 Okay, like five rounds ten times?

00:20:29.000 Is that what you mean?

00:20:30.000 Yeah, throughout the four or five week camps until your fight.

00:20:33.000 We'd fight every...

00:20:34.000 Sometimes we lived in that tri-state area, so I would fight in...

00:20:36.000 I had a bunch of books.

00:20:38.000 I'd fight in Ohio on Friday, Saturday in Pennsylvania, West Virginia on Sunday.

00:20:42.000 So I had three fights, and we can't do that anymore, but we lived in the tri-state, so we always had these regional books.

00:20:48.000 You know, you fight.

00:20:49.000 I got this book.

00:20:50.000 You only have five fights.

00:20:51.000 You know, this guy has a hundred.

00:20:52.000 So amateur boxing was almost like amateur wrestling.

00:20:56.000 They were always, you know, competing like that.

00:20:58.000 But he never really forced us to run.

00:21:00.000 We always sparred.

00:21:01.000 You know, that's when the really fight would happen.

00:21:03.000 So I'm just composed in that.

00:21:04.000 He always told me growing up, he's like, fighting doesn't make you a better runner.

00:21:07.000 Running doesn't make you a better fighter.

00:21:09.000 So I just always tell it to Faber.

00:21:11.000 Every time he wants you to do those damn runs, he's like, running doesn't make you a better fighter.

00:21:15.000 Yeah, there's a bunch of different schools of thought on it.

00:21:18.000 Some people think that you have to run long distance to just enable your body to dig deep in those late rounds when you're getting tired that you'll have more endurance that way.

00:21:28.000 It doesn't hurt.

00:21:29.000 That's true.

00:21:30.000 But the whole thought process...

00:21:32.000 Yeah.

00:21:56.000 Like, their dad's pushing them, making them go to this and making them do that.

00:22:00.000 And so their, like, little vacations they got were, like, the most...

00:22:04.000 They needed that.

00:22:06.000 They needed to go hunting or go fishing and get the break.

00:22:09.000 For me, I was always...

00:22:10.000 My dad, he'd drop the trailer off.

00:22:12.000 We'd have a...

00:22:14.000 Motorhome, he'd drop it off at a pond.

00:22:15.000 He'd go to work and we'd fish all day.

00:22:17.000 No one was having me wrestle or do anything.

00:22:18.000 I didn't start until I was in the eighth grade.

00:22:21.000 So I've always been on a trying to catch up kind of deal.

00:22:25.000 And like a Chad and Lance are like, get your homework done, you train your butt off, you do a regimen, and then you take your little break.

00:22:31.000 And then you take your breaks, you know?

00:22:33.000 And it doesn't matter.

00:22:34.000 It's just about what you're processing as your method that you believe in.

00:22:39.000 As long as you really believe in it, That's the most important thing.

00:22:42.000 The belief system is bigger than anything else.

00:22:44.000 There's got to be different methods for different fighting styles, too.

00:22:48.000 Some people move around more, like Dominic, and some people are more stationary and rely more on power.

00:22:56.000 There's got to be different routines that would be more effective.

00:22:59.000 It's kind of about finding whatever works best for you, right?

00:23:02.000 Right, exactly.

00:23:03.000 For me, I like sprints.

00:23:04.000 I'm a very explosive fighter, but also I have endurance, too.

00:23:08.000 I did the VO2 testing, and actually I tested as a cross-country runner.

00:23:12.000 I hate running on the results.

00:23:14.000 But I feel like I do better at sprinting than long distance.

00:23:17.000 But it's crazy.

00:23:19.000 What you have to be in shape for going to fight for the cage, you have to be great wrestling conditioning, boxing conditioning.

00:23:27.000 Those are all different conditionings.

00:23:29.000 A boxer comes in and wrestles, he's toast in a minute, if that.

00:23:33.000 Sometimes wrestlers, same thing, they go in there and they're boxing there.

00:23:37.000 It's just the composure.

00:23:38.000 That's what Conor said right after Mayweather.

00:23:41.000 Shots were nothing.

00:23:43.000 It was just the composure.

00:23:45.000 It was the rounds logged in.

00:23:46.000 He's just so efficient, too, and he knew that Conor was going to fade because Conor was relying so much on explosiveness and tense.

00:23:52.000 And he didn't have enough time to prepare.

00:23:54.000 Yeah, not only that, I thought Connor did a good job of staying nice and flowy and everything.

00:24:00.000 But here's the truth.

00:24:02.000 It's like if I were to take a pretty good high school wrestler, or even a really good high school wrestler, and put him against an Olympic gold medalist, like a high, high level high school wrestler versus an Olympic gold medalist.

00:24:18.000 I mean, there's going to be a difference, but when the fatigue cracks a little bit, Yeah.

00:24:42.000 He was doing awesome.

00:24:43.000 It makes me wonder, like, how would he have done if he had six months to prepare?

00:24:47.000 How good would he have done if he got in really good shape?

00:24:51.000 He might have been able to make it to the 12th round.

00:24:53.000 I think, either way, the more loose Floyd got, the more he was going to start landing shots.

00:24:58.000 He's just a far better boxer.

00:25:00.000 He's a specialist, you know?

00:25:01.000 I don't think it's about getting in shape, necessarily, because Conor had to be in amazing shape.

00:25:08.000 He's already a world champion.

00:25:10.000 Then he's got this big opportunity.

00:25:12.000 That's what I always tell the guys also.

00:25:14.000 It doesn't matter what kind of shape you're in.

00:25:16.000 Being in good shape only means you can do more until you get tired.

00:25:21.000 I think the better shape you're in, he would have kept doing more, doing more, doing more.

00:25:25.000 And if he wasn't able to finish him, you know what I mean?

00:25:27.000 Because Floyd was letting him do more.

00:25:30.000 I mean, he wasn't letting him necessarily, but...

00:25:33.000 He was taking rounds off, for sure.

00:25:34.000 He was letting Connor blow out some energy.

00:25:37.000 So, it's like, the better shape you're in, the more you're going to output until you get tired, but if you're trying to fucking win, you're going to be, you know...

00:25:45.000 You're going to be putting it out, putting it out, putting it out.

00:25:47.000 I think he would have been able to do more until he got tired, but the fatigue would have set in.

00:25:51.000 Either way.

00:25:52.000 We had this, in our wrestling room, a board saying, it said, fatigue makes cowards of us all.

00:25:57.000 I read that, and I was in the same wrestling room since I was five years old, all the way up until sophomore year, junior year, I was done wrestling.

00:26:05.000 But I always read that.

00:26:06.000 I was like, man, fatigue.

00:26:07.000 I didn't even know what fatigue was, but I knew what a coward was.

00:26:10.000 So I was like, I knew it didn't go right.

00:26:12.000 So I would literally go so hard.

00:26:14.000 I didn't know how to wrestle, really.

00:26:15.000 I would just go, go, go, go, and just keep scrambling out of things.

00:26:18.000 And that's how I always wrestle.

00:26:19.000 And my brother was...

00:26:29.000 I've never been to the fourth round.

00:26:33.000 I've been in the third once.

00:26:35.000 With Cruz, I had all these questions like, how's he going to be?

00:26:38.000 Is his composure?

00:26:39.000 Can he go, you know, keep that power and speed up for the fifth round?

00:26:43.000 Shit, I didn't know.

00:26:44.000 I prepared for that and believed.

00:26:46.000 That's the thing.

00:26:46.000 It's just believing.

00:26:47.000 I was tired, but I was having so much fun in there, you just kind of push through that when you're tired.

00:26:51.000 And that's the thing.

00:26:52.000 When fatigue sets in, some people can either wilt from it or, you know, propel them to, like, when I get tired, I feel like I bite down more.

00:26:59.000 I'm more eyes in there because I'm tired.

00:27:01.000 I know that mistakes happen when you're tired.

00:27:03.000 So that's when you stay on it more.

00:27:05.000 Right.

00:27:06.000 Got to concentrate more on keeping your technique clean and making sure that you...

00:27:10.000 Well, it's an interesting thing when you're fighting a guy like Dominic Crew, too, because he's so awkward.

00:27:16.000 Like, you're preparing for someone who moves in such a...

00:27:19.000 I mean, Uriah, you knew better than anybody.

00:27:21.000 Yeah.

00:27:22.000 You fought him several times.

00:27:23.000 He moves so weird.

00:27:24.000 Mm-hmm.

00:27:25.000 You know, he does move weird.

00:27:27.000 Like, the second time I fought him, I feel like I did a good job of letting him move, and then when he'd land, I'd hit him.

00:27:35.000 And so, the one thing I went back and I watched that fight, and I'm like, you know, you're always looking at excuses of why did I lose this fight or not.

00:27:44.000 And I think little things count.

00:27:46.000 I talked to Cody about this...

00:27:48.000 In his fight with Dom was, make sure the eyes are on you when there's no action happening.

00:27:55.000 Because Dominic is always doing this weird...

00:27:57.000 It's like peacocking.

00:27:58.000 He's moving and doing these little movements and weird shit.

00:28:02.000 And so when nothing's happening, who are you looking at?

00:28:05.000 You're looking at the weirdo.

00:28:07.000 You know what I mean?

00:28:08.000 He's staying busy.

00:28:09.000 Yeah.

00:28:10.000 So then it's like...

00:28:12.000 He is weird, but it's not like...

00:28:16.000 I don't know.

00:28:16.000 It's a different kind of weird.

00:28:18.000 What was it like doing the Ultimate Fighter opposite TJ? Like, knowing that you guys were eventually going to fight and knowing that you guys used to be teammates.

00:28:27.000 Honestly, it wasn't bad.

00:28:28.000 Like, for the first, what, two, three weeks, it was fine.

00:28:31.000 We were cordial, like, you know...

00:28:33.000 It was what it was.

00:28:35.000 Until he started going to the media and would say that I'm different on and off camera.

00:28:43.000 That was the day.

00:28:46.000 Being cordial and cool, like getting through the weigh-ins and doing that whole process, honestly, it's a lot, you know?

00:28:52.000 Right.

00:28:53.000 I'm still trying to train and fight, but it was an opportunity.

00:28:55.000 I love to do it.

00:28:56.000 I love the guys, the team.

00:28:58.000 Had my coaches out there, my uncle out in Vegas.

00:29:00.000 It was a good time.

00:29:01.000 We had a good time with the team.

00:29:02.000 And we were fine until, like I said, he would go to the media and like talk shit, say I was different.

00:29:07.000 I'm like, about choking one when he was talking shit and he stepped towards me.

00:29:12.000 So I was like, so you're saying that, so I cornered him with no cameras.

00:29:20.000 Like TJ, I was like, man, what's going on?

00:29:21.000 Why are you talking shit in the media saying that I'm different on and off camera?

00:29:24.000 Like I wouldn't beat your ass here right now because there's no camera.

00:29:28.000 I was like, you think that?

00:29:29.000 And he's like, no, I don't think you would whoop my ass right now.

00:29:32.000 I grabbed his ass up again by my throat and slammed him again, so then he squared up with me.

00:29:35.000 And I was like, alright, we're gonna throw it down.

00:29:37.000 Like, cool, just me and him, we'll throw it down, and that's it, no cameras around.

00:29:40.000 And maybe that'll subside some of the shit.

00:29:42.000 So I was getting pissed he was being with me, you know, right there.

00:29:45.000 So how many people were there when you guys almost fought?

00:29:47.000 No one.

00:29:48.000 We were in his locker room.

00:29:49.000 Just you and him.

00:29:49.000 I was there in his shower.

00:29:50.000 I was out in his towel.

00:29:52.000 Just got out of the shower.

00:29:53.000 I have a picture of it.

00:29:54.000 It's so funny.

00:29:55.000 But I was just confused on it.

00:29:58.000 I was like, dude, we're cool, cordial with each other.

00:30:01.000 And then you go on in the media.

00:30:02.000 That's when I started.

00:30:03.000 I was like, man, I was just kind of fed up with the whole thing.

00:30:05.000 But now it's so long drawn out for the fight.

00:30:08.000 I'm just like, if you take all that away, him leaving Team Alpha Male...

00:30:14.000 All the variables, and you break it down against fighter versus fighter, this is a fucking fight that I'm thankful for.

00:30:21.000 You know what I mean?

00:30:21.000 I'm finally getting to fight these opponents that are worthy opponents that I can go out there and showcase my skill against.

00:30:27.000 So it wasn't horrible being around the guy until he would go and talk shit on the media, and I was just appalled about it.

00:30:33.000 I was like, man, what is going on?

00:30:34.000 So how did you guys resolve it when you were alone in the locker room?

00:30:38.000 Well, everybody came and broke it up.

00:30:41.000 Well, that happened, and then he put his fist up, and I was like, alright, here we go.

00:30:44.000 I was just going to throw some fire at him.

00:30:47.000 We're going to fight.

00:30:48.000 I was like, alright, cool, he's going to fight me.

00:30:50.000 And then he put his hands down, and he was like...

00:30:53.000 Look how you're acting, bro.

00:30:54.000 And I was like, oh, he went from straight to ready to fight and then to that.

00:30:58.000 So I was like, whatever.

00:30:59.000 It is what it is.

00:31:00.000 I was just like, dude, quit talking shit on the media.

00:31:02.000 We're right here.

00:31:02.000 You can say it to me.

00:31:03.000 I don't know why we don't have a conversation.

00:31:04.000 We can talk about it.

00:31:05.000 And a couple times we've had off-camera talks with me and him about the whole Joe Daddy Stevenson fight.

00:31:10.000 I was like, look, bro.

00:31:12.000 I understand you're trying to get your guy back on.

00:31:15.000 But Joe should not fight.

00:31:16.000 He took so much damage in that fight, and he's fighting in six days.

00:31:19.000 I'm 25 years old, and I would not fight in five or six days after I just fought like that.

00:31:24.000 He was concussed.

00:31:26.000 He was hurt.

00:31:27.000 And TJ's like, hey, man, I can't tell him not to fight.

00:31:30.000 I'm like, you have to tell him.

00:31:31.000 You're his coach.

00:31:32.000 You can't call his wife or his coach.

00:31:33.000 Of course.

00:31:34.000 You have to say, dude, I don't want my teammates fighting each other, but, dude, that's going to be bad.

00:31:39.000 I said, he's going to get knocked out and be hurt.

00:31:41.000 And TJ's like...

00:31:42.000 Don't get that in his head, Cody.

00:31:44.000 I'm like, Joe.

00:31:44.000 And we were doing it in front of Joe.

00:31:45.000 I'm like, Joe, look, I love you.

00:31:46.000 You're a pioneer.

00:31:48.000 You're a legend of the sport.

00:31:49.000 You don't need to go out here and get $10,000 for whatever it was they were getting for that fight to go in there and have serious brain damage.

00:31:57.000 He's fighting Hyder.

00:31:58.000 Hyder has, I think, eight knockouts, vicious knockouts.

00:32:01.000 He throws his hands.

00:32:02.000 I knew it was a bad matchup.

00:32:06.000 That was an ego thing.

00:32:07.000 TJ wanted his whole team because he kicked your ass on the team.

00:32:10.000 We didn't stylistically pick the best matchups.

00:32:14.000 We was in there trying to do what we could with those guys.

00:32:18.000 It was tough.

00:32:19.000 It's like teaching an old dog new tricks.

00:32:23.000 It was hard.

00:32:24.000 It was honestly hard.

00:32:25.000 It's got to be weird coaching people in a short period of time like that, too.

00:32:29.000 These are all crafty veterans, though.

00:32:32.000 Right.

00:32:32.000 Guys that have been kicked out of the UFC. Right.

00:32:35.000 I didn't do any of my research on how they did outside of the UFC career.

00:32:40.000 I remember them in the UFC. I'm like, okay, this guy can fight Eddie Gordon.

00:32:44.000 He's massive.

00:32:45.000 Let's go with him.

00:32:47.000 We just didn't know how they did outside of it.

00:32:50.000 But I would just assume that as a coach, if you get anybody and you're working with them for six weeks, you would start thinking, if I had six months, I'd get rid of this.

00:33:00.000 When I coached against Dom, we had...

00:33:04.000 We had three months.

00:33:05.000 Oh, that's right, because you guys did...

00:33:06.000 It was a crazy season.

00:33:08.000 The only live season.

00:33:09.000 What was that like?

00:33:10.000 That was a giant chunk of your life.

00:33:12.000 That was.

00:33:13.000 Vegas, man.

00:33:14.000 All these guys, I was staying under wraps, but...

00:33:19.000 We had the whole crew out there.

00:33:21.000 All my coaches were just the young guys coming up trying to get them exposure and everything.

00:33:25.000 So I had TJ and Lance and all the guys that were my coaches.

00:33:30.000 They were running amok in Vegas.

00:33:32.000 It was hilarious.

00:33:33.000 For the Connor season, when I came out, I was ready to leave Vegas.

00:33:38.000 I couldn't wait to leave Vegas after that.

00:33:41.000 It was just...

00:33:42.000 Yeah, same thing.

00:33:43.000 Cody is one of my coaches, remember?

00:33:45.000 Yeah, it seems to me that Vegas, to live in Vegas, is kind of like living near a nuclear reactor.

00:33:52.000 You may be able to do it for a couple days, but after a while, the radiation's going to get you.

00:33:57.000 Yeah.

00:33:58.000 One wrong decision from a whole change of life.

00:34:02.000 It's just too much right there.

00:34:05.000 All of a sudden you won't have seen daytime for a couple days.

00:34:08.000 My feelings on it is that you're around, maybe it's just me being sensitive, but I think you're around people that make shitty decisions.

00:34:16.000 You're around a lot of that in Vegas.

00:34:18.000 Because you're around a lot of compulsive gamblers.

00:34:20.000 Just the vibe of the city.

00:34:22.000 Like, there's great shit in the city.

00:34:23.000 There's a lot of successful people.

00:34:25.000 Dana and the Fertittas.

00:34:27.000 And there's a lot of people that are making great money and doing well in business.

00:34:30.000 But then, there's a whole underbelly to the city that's compulsive gamblers.

00:34:36.000 There's a shitload of compulsive gamblers.

00:34:37.000 And a bunch of other stuff.

00:34:38.000 Compulsive all sorts of stuff.

00:34:40.000 Man, city of sin.

00:34:42.000 Sin City.

00:34:43.000 But I think...

00:34:46.000 It's funny.

00:34:47.000 You go to LA, this is mostly talking about people that are trying to get into the entertainment industry or whatever.

00:34:55.000 LA is like a social climate.

00:34:56.000 If you take the crappy part of the social scene, it's people trying to socially climb.

00:35:01.000 Oh, what do you do for work?

00:35:02.000 Oh, what do you do?

00:35:03.000 What can I get out of this person and try to play the game and have success?

00:35:08.000 And Vegas has just sold out.

00:35:09.000 Like, alright, I'm going to go make a bunch of fucking money.

00:35:12.000 Stripping, this, cocktail, whatever it is.

00:35:15.000 Right, selling coke.

00:35:16.000 Yeah, whatever the deal is.

00:35:19.000 Yeah, whatever it is.

00:35:19.000 So it's like, LA, social climb, Vegas, sold out.

00:35:24.000 Well, it just doesn't seem like Vegas has a...

00:35:28.000 There's a lot of transient people, and there's a lot of people that are there just for the casinos, whereas any other city...

00:35:34.000 If you live in Chicago, for instance, it's a town.

00:35:37.000 It's a real city.

00:35:38.000 People have been there for generation after generation.

00:35:40.000 There's a lot of different businesses, a lot of variety to it.

00:35:43.000 In Vegas, you got the hub...

00:35:45.000 Which is all the casinos.

00:35:47.000 And then you got the surrounding areas that are just sort of feeding off of the casinos.

00:35:52.000 It's weird.

00:35:52.000 It's a weird gig.

00:35:54.000 Weird.

00:35:55.000 Great.

00:35:55.000 Great for short times.

00:35:57.000 Yeah.

00:35:57.000 The one thing I would say that was cool while you're there...

00:36:01.000 Sacramento is not necessarily a destination spot.

00:36:03.000 So while I was living there and people knew that we were living there, I would get hit up every couple days with somebody that was coming to Vegas.

00:36:11.000 So you get to rehash, see all sorts of people that you would like to see that are popping into Vegas all of a sudden.

00:36:20.000 It's like, damn, everybody's hitting you up.

00:36:23.000 It's kind of like a little reunion place.

00:36:25.000 People go there all the time.

00:36:27.000 Now, as far as your new place, what did you do differently when you guys moved to your new spot?

00:36:32.000 How did you set it up?

00:36:33.000 You had the old spot for a long time, right?

00:36:36.000 Dude, you gotta check out the place.

00:36:37.000 You'll love it.

00:36:38.000 I saw it online.

00:36:39.000 It looks amazing.

00:36:39.000 So, basically, we just made it bigger and better and tried to cover all the things that we do as mixed martial artists within one roof.

00:36:48.000 So, we have CrossFit.

00:36:49.000 We have yoga.

00:36:51.000 We have TRX. We have conditioning classes that are MMA-based.

00:36:57.000 We have introduction to stuff.

00:36:59.000 And then we have the MMA side, which is...

00:37:02.000 Traditional Muay Thai.

00:37:03.000 Our pros work out of there.

00:37:05.000 We have our own little locker room for the pros, and we have nice finishes.

00:37:11.000 There's a cafe there.

00:37:13.000 There's an outdoor area.

00:37:14.000 There's bathrooms and showers.

00:37:18.000 That's amazing.

00:37:19.000 The other place was just...

00:37:20.000 It was 8,500 square feet, which is still pretty big at the time.

00:37:23.000 It was a big spot.

00:37:25.000 And it was like one shower, one toilet, and it was 13 years of building the team.

00:37:33.000 I mean, the place stunk.

00:37:35.000 That's a good recipe for staff.

00:37:36.000 One shower.

00:37:37.000 First time I ever got staff was when I went out to Team Alpha, man.

00:37:41.000 It was right before my UFC debut.

00:37:43.000 Do you remember that?

00:37:44.000 Two or three weeks before I had staff.

00:37:46.000 I got the call, like, you're going to fight in three weeks.

00:37:48.000 I'm like...

00:37:50.000 Did you get on antibiotics immediately?

00:37:52.000 Antibiotics, yeah.

00:37:52.000 I remember, Faber was like, why are you taking it?

00:37:54.000 I'm like, dude, I got staph in my leg.

00:37:57.000 I couldn't walk.

00:37:57.000 It was horrible.

00:37:58.000 First time I had it.

00:38:00.000 Was it from not showering right after you trained?

00:38:03.000 I don't know what it was.

00:38:04.000 You only have staph all over your body.

00:38:05.000 You have it in your nose and everything else.

00:38:07.000 I think immune system down and then some sort of scratch or cut.

00:38:13.000 Do you guys fuck with defense soap?

00:38:15.000 Yep.

00:38:16.000 That stuff is the shit.

00:38:17.000 Guy Seiko, he actually wrestled with.

00:38:19.000 Yeah, he's awesome.

00:38:19.000 Having this boy.

00:38:20.000 Yeah, great guy.

00:38:21.000 Yeah, great guy.

00:38:22.000 And that product is fucking amazing.

00:38:24.000 He has a bunch of different things, like salve for scratches, this ointment, this tea tree oil and eucalyptus and stuff like that.

00:38:30.000 That's good stuff, yeah.

00:38:31.000 If you could stay on that stuff on a regular, you'll avoid 99% of that shit.

00:38:37.000 Getting sleep and eating right and showering after you work out.

00:38:43.000 What kind of diet do you want, Cody?

00:38:45.000 How do you organize your nutrition?

00:38:48.000 Actually, I spoke with Aubrey a couple weeks ago.

00:38:51.000 We did, like, obviously on a supplement standpoint from Onnit.

00:38:53.000 He gave me a whole protocol pre-weight, you know, for this camp, daytime, nighttime stuff.

00:39:00.000 Really, man, I can eat really whatever I want.

00:39:02.000 I have a super high...

00:39:03.000 It's hard for me, honestly, to gain weight.

00:39:05.000 Like, I'm hovering around 147 after practice.

00:39:07.000 Because your workout puts so high.

00:39:08.000 Yeah, it was so high, and I've never been a big eater.

00:39:12.000 I've never liked to be full.

00:39:14.000 I don't like that, because...

00:39:15.000 I don't know.

00:39:16.000 So I usually do some meal preps.

00:39:18.000 I've messed with some meal prep companies.

00:39:20.000 My wife's a great cook, so she usually...

00:39:22.000 I eat a lot of salmon.

00:39:23.000 I love salmon, bison.

00:39:26.000 So I keep it out of the...

00:39:27.000 And George Lockhart, I work with him, so he writes me up a whole diet of...

00:39:32.000 Yeah, George is great.

00:39:33.000 Here's my carbs, here's the proteins, and then we get to the fight week, and I'm Literally 12 pounds over and I start doing his diet and water loading and I don't run I don't have to I just do my workouts regularly like I would for you know just to keep sharp for the week lose the weight I mean it's it's the best I feel the greatest you know I used to always cut weight and then like cut a lot of weight and then get IV'd up and feel sluggish like with with with George and the diet that he's giving me on also with the with the Onnit products I've

00:40:04.000 For two months I've been on the honor products and I feel so much better with them.

00:40:09.000 Joint-wise, I had such stiffness.

00:40:12.000 Aubrey gave me a whole thing, those creole oil pills, all that stuff.

00:40:15.000 Fish oil is giant, man.

00:40:17.000 Fish oil is so important for people and so many people don't take it, but it's just for joint mobility and joint health and just reduction of inflammation.

00:40:25.000 Also, it's fuel for your brain.

00:40:27.000 It's great for building your muscles.

00:40:29.000 Fish oil is just one of the primary supplements that I think people should take.

00:40:33.000 My mom used to have us take spoons of that, not the pills.

00:40:37.000 She would actually have fish oil in a jar.

00:40:39.000 Yeah, I have that stuff.

00:40:40.000 I get it at Carlson's.

00:40:41.000 I get it in a jar, take tablespoons of it.

00:40:43.000 But they have it, they put like lemon flavor in it and different things.

00:40:47.000 But, you know, it always tastes like shit.

00:40:49.000 Oh, yeah.

00:40:50.000 Like shit with lemon.

00:40:51.000 Anything that's good for you tastes like shit.

00:40:52.000 Not true.

00:40:53.000 No, I mean meat tastes good.

00:40:56.000 Yeah, meat's good.

00:40:56.000 So you're just essentially just eating healthy.

00:40:58.000 You know, you don't have like any specific diet you follow.

00:41:01.000 No, I mean, I stick to the lean stuff.

00:41:04.000 Sushi, salmon, I always do that.

00:41:06.000 We have a bunch of good little healthy spots around town, too.

00:41:11.000 Actually, I'll send you out some juice.

00:41:14.000 Liquidology juice.

00:41:14.000 It's fresh juice.

00:41:16.000 We have two spots that are right by the gym that have super healthy foods go there.

00:41:21.000 Oh, that's nice.

00:41:22.000 Yeah, it's like a health bar.

00:41:24.000 So you guys have almost like a whole fitness location there.

00:41:27.000 It's not just a gym.

00:41:29.000 How many members do you have now?

00:41:31.000 We're like 1,400 members.

00:41:33.000 What's the name of the place again?

00:41:34.000 Uriah Faber's Ultimate Fitness.

00:41:36.000 Oh, okay.

00:41:36.000 That's what you're calling it.

00:41:37.000 Yeah.

00:41:37.000 Because I know you were thinking about doing something with the UFC gym at one point in time, right?

00:41:41.000 We have one.

00:41:42.000 We have one out there.

00:41:43.000 Oh, you have one of those too?

00:41:44.000 About 35 minutes away.

00:41:45.000 Oh, okay.

00:41:45.000 That does well.

00:41:46.000 That's in Rockland, which is about 35 minutes away.

00:41:50.000 And I've got a partner there who is a gym guy.

00:41:54.000 He has crunch gyms and he's...

00:41:56.000 In tight with Mastroff and the guys at UFC gym.

00:41:58.000 And so he primarily runs that.

00:42:00.000 And there's no contact in that place.

00:42:03.000 You know, you can't do sparring and things like that.

00:42:06.000 Oh, really?

00:42:07.000 No.

00:42:07.000 How weird is that?

00:42:08.000 Any of the UFC gyms.

00:42:09.000 What?

00:42:10.000 So when they have, like, kickboxing classes...

00:42:12.000 Oh, so you can strangle each other.

00:42:13.000 You can't kick or punch.

00:42:15.000 So when they have, like, kickboxing classes, do they tap each other at least?

00:42:19.000 No.

00:42:20.000 They do bag work and...

00:42:21.000 No drills?

00:42:22.000 I mean...

00:42:24.000 You're not going to learn if you don't do something.

00:42:26.000 They do some jobs.

00:42:28.000 They don't have one person hold the mitts and one person hold...

00:42:32.000 They don't?

00:42:33.000 You can do privates and stuff like that.

00:42:34.000 Is it just like a liability thing?

00:42:36.000 I would imagine so.

00:42:37.000 Yeah, they're probably worried.

00:42:39.000 Yeah.

00:42:39.000 Well, at least they can do jiu-jitsu.

00:42:41.000 They do jiu-jitsu, and you're learning great technique.

00:42:43.000 It's a great idea, too, to have a gym that's, like, based around the UFC, where people or fans can go and learn that kind of stuff and get a great workout.

00:42:51.000 Did you see what this shit Bob Arum said today?

00:42:53.000 He said, uh, we have a boxing as an enemy, and it's the UFC. The UFC is the enemy of boxing.

00:42:59.000 He's a stupid old dummy.

00:43:01.000 Fuck Bob Arum.

00:43:02.000 He's just such a dummy.

00:43:05.000 You just got 6.5 million pay-per-view buys from Mayweather vs.

00:43:10.000 McGregor in a boxing match.

00:43:12.000 So you tell me how the UFC's the enemy.

00:43:14.000 They just fucking helped you out, dude.

00:43:16.000 Made boxing cool again.

00:43:19.000 Definitely, I guarantee you, it bumped up Canelo Alvarez in Triple G. Oh, absolutely.

00:43:23.000 We just watched the 24-7.

00:43:25.000 I'm pumped for that fight.

00:43:26.000 Who are you taking?

00:43:27.000 Boy, I don't know.

00:43:28.000 I don't know.

00:43:29.000 Look, Gennady Golovkin is a motherfucker, dude.

00:43:31.000 But Canelo Alves gets better all the time.

00:43:34.000 He's a younger guy.

00:43:35.000 He looked fucking sensational against Amir Khan.

00:43:38.000 He's looked sensational against everybody except Floyd.

00:43:41.000 Floyd got him to drain himself.

00:43:44.000 Got him to go all the way down to 150. Or 152 or something like that.

00:43:47.000 152, right?

00:43:48.000 Never cut down that far?

00:43:49.000 Yeah, he cut down way low and he just looks sluggish and Floyd is the best boxer pretty much ever.

00:43:54.000 Yeah, he is.

00:43:55.000 Boxed him up.

00:43:56.000 Game plan, stuck to the game plan.

00:43:57.000 Yeah, and just looked beautiful.

00:43:59.000 Dude, Triple G's interviews are hilarious.

00:44:02.000 I mean, he's like traditional Russian.

00:44:04.000 Well, I think, you know, it sounds like exactly how you...

00:44:07.000 Max!

00:44:08.000 Max!

00:44:08.000 I'm here for a big drama show!

00:44:10.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:44:11.000 Max, of course!

00:44:12.000 I think it will be a good fight!

00:44:15.000 Good fight for the fans!

00:44:17.000 That's what I'm here for.

00:44:18.000 Muchos gracias, my friends.

00:44:21.000 Mexicans love Triple G. Oh, man.

00:44:23.000 He fights like fucking Julio Cesar Chavez, man.

00:44:26.000 He's a savage.

00:44:27.000 He's a fucking animal.

00:44:27.000 Body punching, ripping shots to the body.

00:44:30.000 Who do you think is going to get it, Cody?

00:44:32.000 Man, I think, honestly, Canelo.

00:44:35.000 I don't know, I just...

00:44:36.000 I think Canelo...

00:44:38.000 Triple G's a beast.

00:44:39.000 I don't know, I think...

00:44:41.000 But you like Canelo.

00:44:42.000 Why do you like Canelo in this?

00:44:44.000 I just like his pressure, his body punches, how he flows.

00:44:50.000 He throws a lot of hooks.

00:44:52.000 I'm a big hook guy.

00:44:54.000 Mike Tyson and I used to watch all Mike's stuff, hooks, and Canelo does too.

00:45:00.000 He throws some creative stuff too.

00:45:02.000 He does.

00:45:03.000 I did that.

00:45:03.000 I started doing a move off of watching Canelo.

00:45:07.000 He throws like a fake hook to an uppercut.

00:45:10.000 So it's like this and it goes like that because the guy will cover here and it comes right up the middle.

00:45:14.000 I mean mine didn't look as good as his.

00:45:17.000 I did a bunch against Scotty Jorgensen when I fought and it looked like I was just winding my arm up like this.

00:45:22.000 But it's like...

00:45:24.000 He has a bunch of little tricky, subtle things that he does.

00:45:27.000 I like Canelo too.

00:45:28.000 He also has ring generalship.

00:45:30.000 That's huge for me.

00:45:31.000 You can knock people out fast or have good combos, but the way that you take the octagon or the ring and stock them and then impose your will on them, his presence in there, he knows where he's at all the time.

00:45:44.000 Yeah, what's interesting to me about this fight is this is the first time that he's fought a guy who's world-class, that is a brutal power puncher like him, who's bigger than him, who's going to come towards him.

00:45:57.000 You know, whereas he fought Floyd.

00:45:58.000 Floyd was a smaller guy, but just way craftier and slicker with his style.

00:46:02.000 And, you know, it was an interesting fight, but ultimately it wasn't like the most exciting fight because Floyd just kind of outboxed him.

00:46:09.000 I think this is going to be a bang-em-up fight.

00:46:11.000 I think they're going to come towards each other and it's going to get crazy.

00:46:15.000 For real, this is like the highest stakes fight in boxing because you have two murderous punchers in their prime.

00:46:21.000 Gennady Golovkin undefeated.

00:46:23.000 The only person Canelo lost to is Floyd.

00:46:27.000 This is only lost?

00:46:27.000 Yeah, this is only lost.

00:46:28.000 And it's a decision.

00:46:29.000 He was 15 professionally.

00:46:31.000 Phenomenal.

00:46:32.000 Phenomenal fight.

00:46:33.000 I mean, just such a good fight.

00:46:34.000 I cannot wait for this fight.

00:46:36.000 I'm so amped up.

00:46:36.000 That's when Oscar tweeted about, you know, he was all butthurt about it.

00:46:40.000 I was like, dude, we're still going to watch Eugene.

00:46:42.000 This is why they're all fools.

00:46:44.000 If Oscar just said, this is great for boxing, this is great for everybody, then everybody would have been fine.

00:46:49.000 Instead, these guys create enemies.

00:46:50.000 I know.

00:46:51.000 And say, this is a disgrace, this is a fixed fight.

00:46:53.000 Power in numbers.

00:46:54.000 They're saying, Floyd, fix the fight.

00:46:57.000 Are they still saying that?

00:46:59.000 Oscar's saying some crazy shit.

00:47:01.000 Oscar's losing his mind.

00:47:02.000 How about Dana calling him out?

00:47:04.000 Dana's like, is he doing blow and cross-dressing?

00:47:06.000 What is he doing?

00:47:07.000 Dana's a savage.

00:47:08.000 He's a savage, bro.

00:47:10.000 He gives zero fucks.

00:47:12.000 He'll comment on some of my picks about, like, if I post about him or something like that, he just kills people.

00:47:18.000 He does not give a fuck.

00:47:19.000 It's so funny.

00:47:20.000 He's hilarious.

00:47:21.000 That's what happens when you have a half a billion dollars.

00:47:23.000 Yeah, I guess so.

00:47:24.000 You know, give a fuck.

00:47:25.000 I guess so.

00:47:25.000 Well, he didn't give a fuck in the beginning, which is why he was perfect for the UFC. Oh, I sent him a picture.

00:47:30.000 Right after he did the whole deal where they sold and everything, he was on ESPN. He was on some show, and he was just slouched over, looked like a pile of crap.

00:47:41.000 And I took a picture of it, and I sent it to him.

00:47:43.000 I said, bro, why don't you sit like you have $400 million in the bank, or at least invest in some fucking fitness shit or something.

00:47:51.000 And I sent him a picture just all slumped over like this.

00:47:54.000 I think he's super stressed.

00:47:56.000 I think he's better now.

00:47:58.000 I think that time was like a crazy-ass time.

00:48:00.000 Well, could you imagine you're about to get involved in a $4 billion deal?

00:48:04.000 And then how about afterwards, all this shit starts falling apart.

00:48:08.000 Ronda gets murked.

00:48:09.000 Conor decides to go to boxing.

00:48:10.000 You know, the sport's falling off in a lot of the pay-per-view buys.

00:48:15.000 Jon Jones tests positive again.

00:48:17.000 Like, ah!

00:48:18.000 What's up with that, man?

00:48:20.000 I mean, he was on his way to being a next gigantic superstar, right?

00:48:25.000 I mean, if you take away his time off, right?

00:48:27.000 The time off where you get busted.

00:48:29.000 Before, you had to take a whole year off because of the dick pills.

00:48:32.000 All this different stuff.

00:48:34.000 The time off from the car accident.

00:48:36.000 Take all that time off, and John keeps winning, and you got a goddamn gigantic superstar.

00:48:41.000 Huge superstar.

00:48:42.000 The likes of, like, anybody that's ever been in the UFC. Maybe even right up there with Conor.

00:48:46.000 I mean, you don't know.

00:48:47.000 Even, I mean, all the negative stuff that's happened to Jon Jones, people are still booing DC and cheering him.

00:48:54.000 Yes, crazy.

00:48:54.000 I mean, William Morris has some great PR going behind him.

00:48:57.000 I don't think it's that.

00:48:57.000 I don't think it's that at all.

00:48:58.000 I don't think they have the brain.

00:49:00.000 I don't think anybody alive has the brains to organize public response.

00:49:04.000 I think public people tweet to people.

00:49:06.000 They love John because what John is, first of all, he's a ruthless killer inside the octagon, and then he fucks up, but he's still a bad motherfucker.

00:49:15.000 Like, he rises to the occasion.

00:49:16.000 But there was a time where he was getting booed and everything, and then he took the time off, and then by the time he came back, people were back on his side.

00:49:22.000 It's like, When was he getting booed?

00:49:26.000 He was getting booed before he got suspended the time before.

00:49:33.000 Really?

00:49:33.000 Yeah.

00:49:34.000 When he tested positive for Coke?

00:49:36.000 I can't remember, man.

00:49:37.000 I don't remember him getting booed.

00:49:38.000 But if he was, it was nothing like DC. DC wins fights and gets booed.

00:49:42.000 It's crazy.

00:49:43.000 You know, I mean, he beats Rumble, he gets booed.

00:49:45.000 People get mad at him.

00:49:46.000 They got mad at him when he beat Rumble, remember?

00:49:48.000 They were booing him.

00:49:48.000 Like, what are you booing?

00:49:49.000 The guy just fucking choked out Rumble Johnson.

00:49:51.000 Like, how are you booing for the second time?

00:49:54.000 How are you booing?

00:49:55.000 I don't get it.

00:49:55.000 But you can't, the public...

00:49:57.000 Yeah, you can't control that.

00:49:58.000 They're fickle.

00:49:59.000 They just decide who they like.

00:50:00.000 And it's all hate.

00:50:01.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:50:01.000 They just decide who they love and they decide who they hate.

00:50:04.000 I'll tell you what though, John's speech after he beat DC was beautiful.

00:50:07.000 Yeah, it was great.

00:50:08.000 It was.

00:50:09.000 It was great, but it was followed up by...

00:50:11.000 A steroid test.

00:50:12.000 That's why it's so sad.

00:50:13.000 I mean, look, I'm hoping, just like everybody else, that there's some sort of a fuck-up.

00:50:17.000 Yeah.

00:50:18.000 And then we figure out something happened, something was wrong.

00:50:22.000 Well, I haven't really followed it too much, so I don't really know the details.

00:50:25.000 It's not good.

00:50:26.000 It's not good.

00:50:27.000 Well, he tested positive for something that only shows up in urine tests.

00:50:30.000 And so they did him a urine test after the weigh-ins.

00:50:33.000 He tested positive for this stuff.

00:50:35.000 And then they did a blood test.

00:50:36.000 And, you know, his camp is saying, oh, it's not in the blood test.

00:50:39.000 Well, they don't test for it in the blood test.

00:50:40.000 That's why they do a urine test and a blood test.

00:50:43.000 It's two different tests.

00:50:43.000 And it's like D-ball, like the main...

00:50:45.000 T-ball.

00:50:46.000 T-ball.

00:50:47.000 T-ball or something like that.

00:50:48.000 It's a weird substance that not a lot of people take.

00:50:51.000 So, um, apparently Chael Sonnen was talking about it, that if he's taken that, like, this is some real old-school steroid.

00:50:58.000 It's like a short-acting, short, short, uh, half-life steroid.

00:51:02.000 Oh, that chips me out, man.

00:51:04.000 It's sad.

00:51:05.000 It's sad.

00:51:06.000 I've...

00:51:07.000 I just don't think, I mean, what are you proving?

00:51:10.000 That's my whole thing.

00:51:11.000 Well, he must have felt like he needed some sort of an edge, if he took it.

00:51:15.000 If he took it, or, or, the real problem is, or, was he taking stuff the whole time?

00:51:21.000 Did he get involved with those power lifter dudes and start taking shit?

00:51:24.000 Because remember, he got fucking super jacked.

00:51:27.000 Oh, dude, he was massive.

00:51:28.000 Yeah, I mean, he looked like he was going to heavyweight.

00:51:30.000 He looked huge!

00:51:32.000 I mean, I don't want to speculate at all, really.

00:51:35.000 Yeah, I know.

00:51:37.000 But you were involved in the sport in the early days when there was no testing.

00:51:41.000 They'd just look at you.

00:51:42.000 Yeah.

00:51:43.000 I mean, when you were first fighting King of the Cage, was there any drug testing?

00:51:48.000 No.

00:51:49.000 Nothing.

00:51:49.000 Not at all.

00:51:50.000 There wasn't any type of anything.

00:51:52.000 I mean, it was illegal in California.

00:51:54.000 So the only reason we were fighting on Indian reservations is because everything was illegal.

00:51:58.000 Isn't that crazy?

00:51:59.000 It is so fucking crazy.

00:52:00.000 They let Native Americans do whatever the fuck they want.

00:52:02.000 Yeah, because we screwed them so bad.

00:52:04.000 But it's not we.

00:52:05.000 I mean, it's happened so many generations ago.

00:52:08.000 It's kind of weird that it's still around.

00:52:09.000 They have like this sort of...

00:52:11.000 They have a nation inside a nation.

00:52:14.000 It's a very odd little situation.

00:52:16.000 Over in the U.S., we talk about the Holocaust and what happened over there.

00:52:19.000 And over in, like, Germany, they talk about what we did at the Indians.

00:52:22.000 Well, you know what we did to the Indian?

00:52:24.000 Well, it wasn't we.

00:52:25.000 My parents were here.

00:52:27.000 When it comes to genocide, you know what the biggest genocide was?

00:52:30.000 Disease.

00:52:31.000 Yeah.

00:52:31.000 90% of them were killed by smallpox and all sorts of bugs that they just had no resistance from.

00:52:37.000 That's right.

00:52:37.000 When they first met the Europeans.

00:52:39.000 And it had nothing to do with a planned attack on them.

00:52:42.000 People were just dying off like crazy.

00:52:44.000 Yeah, that's what happened.

00:52:45.000 That's right.

00:52:45.000 Terrific.

00:52:46.000 It's crazy.

00:52:47.000 Yeah, but thank God they have casinos.

00:52:50.000 So I've got a bunch of buddies that are native, and so they have different things.

00:52:55.000 In one tribe, you had things you could choose, and one group up on the northern coast took their fishing rights.

00:53:03.000 So they can fish with nets and put bombs in the water, but they didn't take the casino rights.

00:53:11.000 Ooh, they fucked.

00:53:12.000 They fucked up.

00:53:12.000 They did fuck up.

00:53:13.000 Buy all the fish you want with that casino money.

00:53:15.000 They sling that smoked salmon.

00:53:17.000 It's good.

00:53:17.000 It is good.

00:53:18.000 But it's not like the casino money.

00:53:20.000 You can buy a lot of smoked salmon.

00:53:22.000 That fox wins cash.

00:53:23.000 Exactly.

00:53:24.000 Yeah, there's a place in Alberta where I've been hunting up there and the natives, they call them First Nation people up there, they're allowed to basically hunt any way they want.

00:53:35.000 They use spotlights and shoot animals at night.

00:53:38.000 They shoot as many as they want.

00:53:39.000 Part of their rights, right?

00:53:39.000 Yeah, it's part of the deal.

00:53:41.000 They didn't get casinos.

00:53:42.000 Yeah, they didn't get casinos.

00:53:45.000 Spotlighting them.

00:53:46.000 They got free moose.

00:53:47.000 Yeah, free moose.

00:53:49.000 They're just allowed to use all sorts of, you know, what other people would think of as unethical techniques.

00:53:53.000 Do you have any hunting trips coming up?

00:53:55.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:53:56.000 I'm going to Utah soon.

00:53:58.000 Elk hunt a couple weeks.

00:53:59.000 I'm excited.

00:54:01.000 You eat mostly...

00:54:02.000 I know Chad does that, but tries to eat mostly food that he's killed himself.

00:54:06.000 Yeah, as much as I can.

00:54:07.000 99% of the food I eat is wild game, other than vegetables.

00:54:12.000 Yeah.

00:54:13.000 Well, if you shoot an elk, like either of those elk heads that I had out back, that's 400 pounds of meat.

00:54:18.000 I give a lot of it to my friends who don't hunt, you know, just like elk.

00:54:21.000 But that's enough meat for a year.

00:54:25.000 And then I usually shoot a deer or two a year.

00:54:27.000 Yeah, that's what trips me out about people that are so against hunting.

00:54:30.000 I mean, I'm not a big hunter, but, like, the things that happen, like, on the farms where they're, like, you know, have animals just cage in and try to feed them, get them fat.

00:54:41.000 I mean, that's some nasty stuff.

00:54:43.000 And this is way more humane and a healthier way to eat, right?

00:54:47.000 It's definitely a healthier way to eat, and it's definitely way more humane.

00:54:50.000 But people love to point the finger.

00:54:51.000 97% of the people in this country eat meat.

00:54:54.000 Mm-hmm.

00:54:54.000 Either that or they're pescatarian or they eat.

00:54:57.000 Yeah.

00:54:57.000 But, you know, there's maybe 3% of the people in this country that are vegans.

00:55:01.000 And that's a small number.

00:55:02.000 But, you know, they get very vocal about it.

00:55:06.000 And the best way for them to, like, they can find a person.

00:55:10.000 Like, say, if you hunt and you hold a picture of a deer that you shot, they found your you.

00:55:14.000 So you're an individual.

00:55:15.000 Yeah.

00:55:15.000 Whereas if you have a steak, that steak was raised by a rancher.

00:55:19.000 It's on a ranch.

00:55:20.000 Who's the guy who shot it?

00:55:21.000 Who knows?

00:55:22.000 But you got it at a supermarket.

00:55:23.000 Here it is.

00:55:24.000 There's too many people down the line.

00:55:27.000 You can't point to one person.

00:55:29.000 But if I see Uriah Fabro holding up a duck that he shot, well, that's you.

00:55:34.000 You killed that duck.

00:55:35.000 Yeah.

00:55:36.000 Get the vegan cat lady after you again.

00:55:38.000 It's true.

00:55:39.000 That's true.

00:55:40.000 Isn't it hilarious?

00:55:41.000 That's a true bit, man.

00:55:44.000 That's a true bit.

00:55:45.000 It's a community of people that think it's a good idea to feed their cat vegan food.

00:55:50.000 Yeah, there's a whole move to feed cats vegan food, and the cats, they go blind and have heart attacks and shit.

00:55:57.000 Really?

00:55:58.000 Yes, yes.

00:55:59.000 Yeah, cats are supposed to eat something called taurine that only exists in animal food, like in animal protein.

00:56:06.000 Cats are what's called an obligate carnivore, which means they can't eat anything else.

00:56:11.000 Dude, that's a chick.

00:56:12.000 Dogs can eat carrots and a bunch of other shit.

00:56:15.000 Dogs eat things.

00:56:17.000 Dogs can eat some grains and potatoes and stuff like that.

00:56:20.000 That's fine for them.

00:56:21.000 They mostly eat meat.

00:56:23.000 Dogs are mostly carnivores.

00:56:24.000 But they can mix their diet up a little bit and still be okay.

00:56:28.000 Not cats.

00:56:29.000 You fucking start feeding cats beets and vegetables and shit like that, they die young.

00:56:33.000 So what's the bit?

00:56:35.000 This chick came after you?

00:56:36.000 I'll show you.

00:56:37.000 I don't want to do the bit because it's on my next Netflix special.

00:56:39.000 Oh, it's a bit.

00:56:39.000 It's an actual bit.

00:56:40.000 But it's like someone got mad at me because I posted a picture of some meat on Instagram.

00:56:44.000 It's based on a total true story.

00:56:46.000 And it was one of the vegan cat ladies?

00:56:47.000 Yeah.

00:56:48.000 Yeah.

00:56:48.000 This fucking bitch is so out of my mind.

00:56:50.000 I don't want to ruin it for you.

00:56:51.000 Yeah, I don't.

00:56:51.000 But it's just...

00:56:52.000 There's the community of people that that feed their cats vegan food.

00:56:56.000 They are fucking completely there.

00:56:58.000 They're like next level crazy Like if you thought vegans are crazy, they're like, well, we're taking this shit to the next level It's like there's levels to everything, you know like this like you were talking about your gym There's guys are just tough guys.

00:57:10.000 They don't really want to fight these guys who we want to fight and they're fighting the amateurs and then there's Cody Garbrandt, you know She's the Cody Garbrandt of vegan activists vegan activists Yeah.

00:57:21.000 Next level crazy.

00:57:22.000 That was a great one.

00:57:23.000 Yeah, I went to his, he was in Sac, what, a month or so ago?

00:57:27.000 Yeah, not even.

00:57:27.000 Yeah, I was out of town, man.

00:57:28.000 I would have liked to have come.

00:57:29.000 Oh, it was great.

00:57:30.000 That was the first, I went live, you know, sat down.

00:57:33.000 It was great.

00:57:34.000 I was laughing my ass off.

00:57:36.000 Sacramento's fun, man.

00:57:36.000 They came out.

00:57:37.000 It was a good time.

00:57:38.000 I always loved performing there.

00:57:39.000 Ever since back in the little comedy club there, the Punchline Sacramento.

00:57:42.000 Oh, yeah.

00:57:43.000 It's a great spot.

00:57:44.000 Yeah.

00:57:44.000 It's a great little spot.

00:57:45.000 I went up there.

00:57:46.000 Craig Robinson was in town.

00:57:48.000 He's my buddy.

00:57:49.000 Oh, he's a good dude.

00:57:49.000 And he pulled me up on stage to have me do something.

00:57:52.000 I had shitted up the place pretty bad.

00:57:57.000 It's not easy.

00:57:59.000 Does Craig bring his music up there?

00:58:00.000 Yeah.

00:58:01.000 Well, it saved me a little bit because he's like, brought me, all right, I wouldn't bring my boy up, blah, blah.

00:58:05.000 And I got up there on stage and then...

00:58:08.000 And so I'm like, my manager kind of like gave me a heads up like, oh, Craig might pull you up there.

00:58:12.000 So I had like, all right, well, I just told the story of the chick that knocked on my door and came and shit all over my bathroom.

00:58:18.000 Oh, that story?

00:58:20.000 I did that, but I had Craig do sound effects for it.

00:58:23.000 So I was like, hey, man, I'll do this, but you got to give me sound effects.

00:58:25.000 He was on his thing like, I'm like, then she took a massive shit.

00:58:29.000 And then he's like, you know, doing it on the keyboard.

00:58:32.000 This was like New Year's, right?

00:58:35.000 Someone broke in your house?

00:58:36.000 It was just a Saturday night.

00:58:38.000 Oh, I thought it was on New Year's or something.

00:58:40.000 I'm more known for this lady shitting in my bedroom or my bathroom than fucking most things I've done in my life for myself.

00:58:49.000 Well, you told the story somewhere.

00:58:51.000 I saw it online.

00:58:52.000 I took a video of it on Snapchat and I'm like, dude, I don't know what happened.

00:58:55.000 Is this still up?

00:58:56.000 Yeah, it's probably up.

00:58:57.000 Yeah, well, TMZ took it.

00:59:00.000 TMZ did it and did a story on it, and they did an interview, and they showed my whole thing.

00:59:04.000 And I actually, like, got a picture of the chick, opened the door, and there's, like, a canoe of shit between her legs, and she's sitting in vomit and shit half in the toilet, half on the floor.

00:59:16.000 And my brand new house, I just spent a whole year building it, me and my dad, and she just crushed it.

00:59:22.000 How did she get in your house?

00:59:23.000 What happened?

00:59:23.000 What's the story?

00:59:24.000 I opened the door like an idiot.

00:59:26.000 Okay, so I'm sitting there with my buddy Virgil and his girlfriend.

00:59:29.000 It's like 1 o'clock on a Saturday.

00:59:31.000 We're just kicking it BS. 1 a.m.?

00:59:33.000 Yeah.

00:59:34.000 It's a side piece.

00:59:35.000 He doesn't put that in there.

00:59:37.000 No, come on.

00:59:39.000 So then I hear a little knock.

00:59:42.000 I thought, and I'm like, did someone knock on the door?

00:59:44.000 And then it goes away, and I hear again, like, a knock.

00:59:47.000 I'm like, I think somebody's knocking.

00:59:48.000 So I go in, and literally, I open the door like this, and I got this plump, like, 24-year-old fucking drunk-as-shit woman, like, leaning against the door, like, looking at me.

01:00:01.000 And I open the door, and she, like, just walks in.

01:00:04.000 And I'm like, can I help you?

01:00:05.000 And she's got a little boiler.

01:00:07.000 Is that her in the background?

01:00:08.000 No, that's my buddy Virgil's ex-girlfriend.

01:00:12.000 Oh, dude, this is great.

01:00:13.000 Yeah, this is kind of strange.

01:00:20.000 So she just walks in your house and then goes in the bathroom?

01:00:25.000 She walks in my house and I'm like, can I help you?

01:00:28.000 That's the most foul thing I've ever seen in my life.

01:00:30.000 Ready?

01:00:31.000 Yeah.

01:00:31.000 Is she in there still?

01:00:32.000 Oh, Jesus.

01:00:36.000 So she was passed out in shit and piss in your bathroom?

01:00:40.000 So I open the door and she stumbles in like all chubby and like a boiler hanging out.

01:00:46.000 There's fucking ambulance, fire truck, SWAT team to come get this chick out of my toilet.

01:00:52.000 And so she walks in and walks past.

01:00:54.000 I'm like, can I help you?

01:00:55.000 And she just keeps on walking.

01:00:56.000 I'm like, excuse me.

01:00:57.000 And she like walks to the end of my house and just locks herself in the bathroom.

01:01:03.000 Is that her right there?

01:01:04.000 Uh, yeah.

01:01:06.000 She's sitting on the stoop.

01:01:07.000 This is after she wiped up?

01:01:09.000 Yeah.

01:01:09.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

01:01:10.000 Well, she didn't wipe up.

01:01:11.000 I don't know what they did.

01:01:12.000 I had it.

01:01:13.000 Look at it.

01:01:14.000 That's the crime scene.

01:01:15.000 That's great.

01:01:16.000 I had it.

01:01:17.000 Totally missed it twice.

01:01:18.000 Jesus Christ.

01:01:19.000 She missed everything.

01:01:20.000 She missed everything.

01:01:22.000 It's weird that she knew exactly where that bathroom was at.

01:01:24.000 How did she know where that bathroom was?

01:01:26.000 I'm just...

01:01:27.000 Did you just say it?

01:01:28.000 That bathroom was not there.

01:01:31.000 Look it.

01:01:32.000 The heroes.

01:01:33.000 Had she ever been over your house for a party or something?

01:01:35.000 No!

01:01:35.000 So she just was in the neighborhood.

01:01:37.000 So I live on the corner, and there's maybe like...

01:01:40.000 Here comes the truth.

01:01:42.000 There's a bar called...

01:01:48.000 Called Cheaters.

01:01:49.000 I think she was drunk from that, walking and had it really take a shit.

01:01:52.000 There's a bar called Cheaters?

01:01:54.000 Yeah.

01:01:54.000 Is it kind of like the Ashley Madison of bars?

01:01:57.000 I haven't really been in there.

01:01:59.000 Yeah, of course.

01:02:01.000 I wouldn't go there either, bro.

01:02:05.000 So anyways...

01:02:07.000 That'd be a bar where, you know, if you go to that bar, like, you know what's going on.

01:02:12.000 Oh, you're a gangster if you're going there.

01:02:13.000 I mean, you gotta see, it's an old-ass, like, bar in East Sac, which is, like, the nice little neighborhood, and it's like a shit-dive bar, so I don't know what it's all about.

01:02:23.000 Maybe the dude's name is Cheater.

01:02:25.000 It's probably Cheater.

01:02:26.000 It's Cheater's bar, man.

01:02:27.000 It ain't about cheating here.

01:02:28.000 It's my name.

01:02:30.000 My name's Cheater.

01:02:31.000 Is that it right there?

01:02:32.000 Yeah.

01:02:33.000 Oh, cheaters.

01:02:33.000 It is cheaters.

01:02:34.000 Yeah, maybe it's cheaters.

01:02:35.000 That's on 34th and Folsom.

01:02:37.000 Is there an apostrophe after the R? No.

01:02:41.000 No.

01:02:41.000 Cheaters.

01:02:42.000 Okay.

01:02:42.000 Cheaters.

01:02:43.000 Yeah, look at that.

01:02:44.000 Mmm, it looks angry.

01:02:46.000 We're gonna go to fuck up.

01:02:48.000 So this is right down the street from your house.

01:02:50.000 That bathroom was not there before I got the house.

01:02:52.000 I added that on, poured a slab and built back and everything else.

01:02:55.000 And so, I don't know how the hell she...

01:02:58.000 She dead-ended in the end of the house and just took a left.

01:03:02.000 So she just got lucky.

01:03:03.000 Found the bathroom, shit all over the place.

01:03:05.000 Did you ever contact her afterwards?

01:03:07.000 Fuck no.

01:03:08.000 Did she ever contact you and say, hey, I'm sorry I shit all over your house?

01:03:12.000 She's gotta know that it was on TMZ and all these different websites.

01:03:16.000 You would think she would reach out.

01:03:17.000 He cut that one off.

01:03:19.000 If that girl gets into a 12-step program, you will be one of the first people she apologizes to.

01:03:24.000 She's gonna say, I gotta make it right with all the people that are wrong in the past.

01:03:27.000 Dude, I wonder if she's someone in the neighborhood I don't know, but the truth is, like, she went in that bathroom, like, she was just drawn, like, how should she have known?

01:03:38.000 If you know my house...

01:03:39.000 That's what I'm saying.

01:03:40.000 I always ask him, like, dude, it was just too much.

01:03:43.000 Remember I had this guy, I had this Mexican guy that was working for me, and he had, like, an issue.

01:03:49.000 He would do the lacquer on all my cabinets and everything, and so he took, like...

01:03:54.000 An extra month, and he would get in there, and I'd go into the house when it was being built, and he'd be passed out on the floor.

01:04:01.000 He'd just get high as fuck and pass out.

01:04:03.000 My theory was, maybe he, when he would stay the night at the house under construction, maybe he was having this chubby chick come over or something.

01:04:12.000 It's messed up, man.

01:04:13.000 Passing off to a Mexican.

01:04:15.000 That's weird, bro.

01:04:17.000 It's just not how you're doing that.

01:04:19.000 Let's change the subject.

01:04:20.000 Yeah.

01:04:22.000 Let's move on from the phantom shitter.

01:04:23.000 You guys, like Team Alpha Male in Sacramento, you guys are like one of the real super camps in the world.

01:04:29.000 Like there's like a handful of super camps in this country, right?

01:04:31.000 There's like ATT, you know, there's Duke Rufus, there's Farasa Hobbies camp, TriStar, AKA. There's a bunch of super camps.

01:04:40.000 Do you try to pay attention to how other guys are running their stuff and try to figure out what they're incorporating as far as like strength and conditioning, you know, rehab places?

01:04:51.000 Like physical therapy, things along those lines?

01:04:54.000 A little bit.

01:04:55.000 You know, we have a reputation for whenever we go somewhere, going into the gyms and trying to get it rolling, you know, testing yourself against other people, like kind of an open-door policy at our place, too.

01:05:07.000 Like if somebody wants to come in, they can come in and check it out.

01:05:09.000 So we've gotten a lot of, throughout the years, a lot of feedback and done our own stuff, but always trying to learn, but not necessarily like...

01:05:19.000 We kind of have our own recipe.

01:05:21.000 We have our things that work.

01:05:23.000 It's about a regiment and a lifestyle.

01:05:25.000 It's like set programs throughout the day and you can kind of makeshift your own depending on what your coaches think you need to do or what you feel they need to do.

01:05:33.000 Because there's two or three practices you could hit a day if you wanted to.

01:05:38.000 And then there's individual workouts and they go – some guys do the cryotherapy and then They've been doing that suction therapy and they've been doing that...

01:05:46.000 Do you believe in that?

01:05:46.000 That cup stuff?

01:05:47.000 Cupping?

01:05:48.000 I don't...

01:05:48.000 I'm like...

01:05:49.000 I'm like old school.

01:05:50.000 Like I don't really believe in...

01:05:51.000 I'm not like looking for all these little secret things to do.

01:05:56.000 So I've never done it.

01:05:56.000 But you think those things help a little...

01:05:57.000 Like some things gotta help a little.

01:05:59.000 Like cryo helps.

01:06:00.000 Do you do that at all?

01:06:01.000 I've done it a couple times.

01:06:02.000 But it's not a thing that you do on a regular basis?

01:06:05.000 The thing I'm adamant about that I think is good, which I would have liked to do more of throughout my career, is the hyperbaric chambers.

01:06:11.000 Yeah, you used that after the Aldo fight, right, with your leg?

01:06:14.000 After the Aldo fight, after the Mike Brown fight.

01:06:18.000 You broke your hand?

01:06:19.000 I broke my hand and had surgery.

01:06:21.000 Like, I mean, I would use that just as a regular bit.

01:06:24.000 And then TJ Dillashaw actually got one and had it at his house in his garage.

01:06:29.000 Really?

01:06:29.000 Like, in Sacramento.

01:06:30.000 And he had, like, got certified.

01:06:32.000 Him and his wife got certified to do it.

01:06:34.000 And he would just, like, chill in that thing all the time.

01:06:36.000 So what does the hyperbaric chamber do?

01:06:38.000 It's, like, it's a high-oxygen-rich environment, right?

01:06:41.000 Yeah, so it's a high-oxygen-rich environment.

01:06:43.000 So it basically, like, it can, like, it does, like, the same thing that red blood cells would do, like, transport things.

01:06:50.000 To your body faster and help you heal faster.

01:06:53.000 So there's high altitude, which helps you get acclimated and make more blood cells yourself.

01:07:01.000 And this is just helping pass things through.

01:07:04.000 It's like a hyper-oxygenated environment.

01:07:07.000 And what do you feel like it did for you?

01:07:09.000 It healed me faster.

01:07:12.000 I've never been a big strength and conditioning guy, even in wrestling in college, because I was always cutting weight.

01:07:18.000 So I felt like...

01:07:21.000 Like, you know, I've always been really strong for my size.

01:07:24.000 It wasn't one of my things that I needed to work on necessarily.

01:07:27.000 I was working on technique or working on this or fluidity or whatever.

01:07:30.000 So I started, when I broke my hands, I started doing a heavy lifting regimen.

01:07:34.000 I used to not like to do lifts, like squats and stuff like that because I would get so sore I couldn't do all the shit I liked to do, like wrestle and run and Things like that.

01:07:42.000 So I was going to heal my hand while I was doing these heavy workouts and my trainer kept asking me like, like, am I sore?

01:07:48.000 And I was like, no, I'm not sore.

01:07:50.000 We finally put it together because of the hyperbaric chamber.

01:07:53.000 Like I was like hyper healing.

01:07:55.000 It was like, like I would do a hard, hard workout and never get sore because I would go into the oxygen chamber.

01:08:01.000 My schedule just worked out.

01:08:02.000 I was going in there quick.

01:08:03.000 Huh?

01:08:04.000 That's interesting.

01:08:05.000 Yeah.

01:08:05.000 Is there any downside to doing it?

01:08:07.000 No?

01:08:08.000 No.

01:08:08.000 The downside is it's expensive, and that's the same reason why insurance didn't pass it to be insured.

01:08:18.000 How much is a session?

01:08:20.000 It could be as much as $200.

01:08:21.000 $200 I think a session, laying there for an hour.

01:08:24.000 And how many sessions were you doing?

01:08:26.000 I would get it to where I was doing, you know, like four sessions a week.

01:08:32.000 Damn, and insurance wasn't paying for this?

01:08:34.000 No, UFC would pay for it.

01:08:35.000 Ah, that's nice.

01:08:37.000 Yeah.

01:08:38.000 So, like, is this something they have set up at the new UFC Performance Center?

01:08:43.000 I think they have all that stuff there.

01:08:45.000 I know the underground treadmills, the high-altitude building.

01:08:49.000 I've used their PT a couple times.

01:08:52.000 We have a very fortunate with Russ back in Sacramento, El Dorado Hills, that he does all that.

01:08:57.000 I use the hyperbaric chamber as well.

01:08:59.000 I had the whole last year.

01:09:01.000 You know when sometimes you kick someone wrong and your ankle's messed up for two, three days?

01:09:06.000 I would go in there that day and literally put weight on it and move around and be fine.

01:09:10.000 What they use it for is brain trauma.

01:09:13.000 It helps heal your brain.

01:09:15.000 It's the same thing that they do for the bends when somebody goes and does deep sea.

01:09:21.000 If they're deep sea diving, they have to put them in a hyperbaric chamber to acclimate them to heal them from coming up too fast.

01:09:30.000 There's a real science behind it.

01:09:32.000 Yeah, no, I've heard about people using it for breaks, like bone breaks and having some really quick recovery.

01:09:38.000 I've just never experienced it.

01:09:39.000 You should do it.

01:09:40.000 Yeah, I would imagine it'd be just a good thing to do all the time, but I wonder if there's any negative effects.

01:09:46.000 I don't think there is.

01:09:47.000 I mean, you know, they're doing it for autistic kids, for people with Lyme's disease.

01:09:54.000 Lyme disease is a big one, man.

01:09:55.000 Jesus, that stuff's scary.

01:09:57.000 Yeah.

01:09:57.000 There's so many fucking people that have that and don't even know.

01:09:59.000 They're just tired all the time and broken down.

01:10:01.000 They don't understand that their immune system is devastated by ticks.

01:10:05.000 Yeah, that does.

01:10:06.000 There's a thing called a Rocky Mountain tick.

01:10:09.000 Rocky Mountain flea or something like that.

01:10:11.000 I think it's Rocky Mountain tick.

01:10:12.000 But there's a...

01:10:14.000 Oh, no, that's not it.

01:10:16.000 It's the Lone Star tick.

01:10:17.000 There's a disease that people are getting that makes you allergic to red meat.

01:10:23.000 Huh.

01:10:23.000 And they're getting it from ticks.

01:10:25.000 That's a trick.

01:10:26.000 Yeah.

01:10:26.000 You take a tick bite, and you don't realize anything even happened, and you go to eat meat, like eat a cheeseburger or something, you get really sick.

01:10:33.000 Oh, wow.

01:10:33.000 Your immune system gets devastated.

01:10:34.000 There it is.

01:10:35.000 The Lone Star Tick injects alpha-gal into the bloodstream, and then the immune system releases immunoglobin E antibodies to fight this foreign sugar.

01:10:45.000 After this reaction, the future intake of mammal meat with the same alpha-gal will result in an allergy reaction.

01:10:52.000 Because meat has, it's like alpha galactose.

01:10:57.000 They're saying alpha gal as short, but I forget what it actually is.

01:11:02.000 I forgot the actual...

01:11:03.000 See, does it say there?

01:11:05.000 Yeah.

01:11:06.000 Galactose Alpha 1-3 Galactose.

01:11:10.000 So that's the shit that is in me.

01:11:11.000 You're like Clifford Clavin, bro.

01:11:14.000 Diverse.

01:11:15.000 You know some shit, bro.

01:11:16.000 If you do a podcast every day, three hours, you gotta learn something.

01:11:19.000 He's been around.

01:11:20.000 He's done some shit.

01:11:21.000 But that's fucked up, right?

01:11:22.000 That is fucked up.

01:11:23.000 Imagine if Chad Mendes got that.

01:11:24.000 Oh, he'd be upset, man.

01:11:26.000 Devastated.

01:11:26.000 Just gotta make sure you got that anti-tick stuff on you.

01:11:29.000 He would adjust.

01:11:30.000 He would adjust.

01:11:30.000 Can't see Chad as a vegan.

01:11:32.000 Well, you can eat fish.

01:11:33.000 It's mammal protein.

01:11:35.000 You start eating crocodiles, hunt crocodiles only.

01:11:37.000 Yeah, so the hyperbaric chamber is a good one.

01:11:40.000 I've been doing the salt.

01:11:44.000 What's the thing?

01:11:45.000 Oh, you've been doing float therapy?

01:11:46.000 Yeah, you told me to do that a long time ago.

01:11:48.000 That's awesome.

01:11:48.000 And they finally got one right next to our – I own a little Vibe Health bar.

01:11:54.000 In Sacramento, liquidology, the juice and fiber.

01:11:57.000 And right next door, they have the float center.

01:12:02.000 So I've done that.

01:12:03.000 It's amazing, isn't it?

01:12:04.000 It's cool.

01:12:04.000 I mean, the only problem is I have to have a quiet mind and able to get the most out of it.

01:12:10.000 Like, if I'm stressing about something and I go in there, I just, like...

01:12:14.000 I mean, I end up, like, just thinking the whole time, whatever.

01:12:17.000 I have to be at the right place to go in there, I think.

01:12:19.000 Yeah, maybe it's a personality thing.

01:12:20.000 Like, do you...

01:12:21.000 I mean, I like it when I can relax, but, like, if I have, like, a lot going on in my mind, I can't just shut it down, and then I'm stuck in this, like, thing, just thinking, and I'm like, I gotta get out of here and go take care of this, take care of that.

01:12:33.000 Right, right, right.

01:12:34.000 But when I'm able to chill, I love it, and I know Cody uses it a lot.

01:12:37.000 I use it a lot.

01:12:38.000 I... One time I had a close skull, like an astral projection.

01:12:42.000 It was crazy.

01:12:44.000 What's that?

01:12:47.000 I was explaining to the guy that owned it at the time, because I quit going.

01:12:50.000 One time it happened, I felt like Grim Reaper came over top of me, no shit, and was trying to push me down and drown me, but I was sleeping in a deep trance.

01:12:59.000 My body would vibrate, and I would come back to wake.

01:13:04.000 I was such a deep trance, I'd come back up and I'd finally calm myself back down.

01:13:09.000 Relax and would drift off into the float and then BOOM would come like just but the whole time I could feel the hot coils on my back with my face you know because it's still you know you're just above waters around your whole head Three times I finally got up and I was like...

01:13:23.000 So you really felt like something was trying to drown you?

01:13:26.000 I don't know what I was going on.

01:13:28.000 Anxiety or something, right?

01:13:29.000 Crazy.

01:13:30.000 Crazy.

01:13:31.000 Wow.

01:13:31.000 You could have some crazy visions in there.

01:13:34.000 Last time I was in there, I just kept the...

01:13:36.000 It has a blue light in there and I got the music going and I was just spinning and bouncing off the...

01:13:41.000 I was just staying busy.

01:13:42.000 I couldn't chill.

01:13:43.000 I'm not good at relaxing these days.

01:13:46.000 I would think you'd be better at relaxing now, now that you're tired from fighting.

01:13:51.000 Oh, no way, man.

01:13:52.000 No way.

01:13:53.000 I'll have to, like, if jiu-jitsu's going on, I'll have to, like, stop.

01:13:58.000 I'll be like, look, guys, we're having a meeting right now.

01:14:01.000 I go, let's cover this over.

01:14:03.000 Like, jiu-jitsu started 20 minutes ago.

01:14:04.000 I need to get that workout in, otherwise I'm like...

01:14:07.000 You know, you create yourself a regimen throughout your life of working out a couple times a day, and that's what you do.

01:14:13.000 And then you go in and try to have meetings all day and, like, deal with this and put this fire out and get on this call.

01:14:19.000 And it's like, I was doing that together with being a full-time athlete, so finding the balance has been the key for me.

01:14:26.000 Well, for you, there probably is, like, a requirement that your body has to, like, blow out steam, too.

01:14:31.000 And that's another thing with the diet.

01:14:33.000 Like, you were asking Cody about his diet.

01:14:36.000 Like...

01:14:37.000 I have been like an overeater.

01:14:39.000 He doesn't like to like stuff himself and he's calling me, you know, making fun of me for eating all the time.

01:14:44.000 I'm like just constantly eating and whatnot because I'm used to doing that.

01:14:48.000 You burn so many calories in the day.

01:14:49.000 Now I have to like be mindful of not like overeating because I'm not putting out the same thing.

01:14:54.000 Otherwise I feel like crap.

01:14:56.000 Right, you don't want to get fat.

01:14:57.000 A lot of guys retire and get fat.

01:14:59.000 Yeah, I mean, I'm not worried about getting fat, necessarily.

01:15:01.000 It's more of just, like, feeling like shit.

01:15:05.000 Cody's the best instigator ever.

01:15:07.000 Whatever I'm doing, he tries to, like, accentuate it.

01:15:11.000 Like, if he knows that I'm like, man, I'm a little thick, and then he'll wait, like, a day and then be like...

01:15:16.000 Man, babes, you're looking a little bigger.

01:15:18.000 You're just always trying to make things worse.

01:15:20.000 Dude, you had a jujitsu match with Paul Miao, right?

01:15:23.000 Yes.

01:15:24.000 And you went to a decision with him, man.

01:15:27.000 That's gigantic.

01:15:28.000 We went six overtimes.

01:15:29.000 Yeah, that's gigantic.

01:15:31.000 That guy is fucking legit, man.

01:15:33.000 Yeah, he's pretty good.

01:15:34.000 For a guy like you who didn't specialize in that and specialized in MMA, you know, and coming from a wrestling background, obviously you have a grappling background and you were great at submissions in your MMA career, but to take on a guy that's like that accomplished as a grappler,

01:15:49.000 that's gigantic, man.

01:15:50.000 Yeah, it was cool.

01:15:51.000 I mean, I always tell these guys, And I truly believe it, and that's why I said about Connor, too.

01:15:57.000 In our sport, you have to be able to go with a world champion jiu-jitsu player, a world champion wrestler, a world champion judo player, a world champion boxer, and be able to hold your own.

01:16:09.000 That's the difference with our sport, and that's why it's so impressive.

01:16:12.000 And so that's what I was saying for these guys.

01:16:14.000 And I didn't even...

01:16:15.000 For that, I was going to train real hard and take it real serious.

01:16:19.000 But then I got the Rampage movie role in the Rocks new movie.

01:16:23.000 So I went and spent 10 days in Atlanta.

01:16:25.000 And then I had told Chad before that I would do this charity fishing ship with these...

01:16:31.000 You know, the injured vets, and so we did that for three days.

01:16:35.000 I went in there looking like a chubby, there's a picture of me, I look so friggin' chubby in that thing.

01:16:40.000 And didn't even train, but I was like, you know what, I go, I take a lot of pride in my grappling ability.

01:16:45.000 I feel like, you know, I'm one of the best grapplers in the sport.

01:16:48.000 So it was good to go in there and do that.

01:16:51.000 Well, you know, that and Chad beating Jeff Glover.

01:16:54.000 That was huge.

01:16:55.000 Tapping him.

01:16:55.000 Yeah.

01:16:56.000 That's fucking crazy.

01:16:58.000 I know.

01:16:58.000 Like, it just shows you the level of grappling that you guys have at your gym.

01:17:01.000 But I've gone, like, Jeff Glover and I, when I first started training in mixed martial arts, because I'm from Santa Barbara, when him and Bill Cooper were just kids.

01:17:09.000 I didn't know you were from Santa Barbara.

01:17:10.000 Yeah, I was born in Isla Vista.

01:17:12.000 And we have a house in Santa Barbara, yeah.

01:17:14.000 Dude, I love it up there.

01:17:15.000 Oh, bro, you gotta come stay at my house.

01:17:18.000 I mean, we rent it out.

01:17:19.000 In Santa Barbara?

01:17:21.000 It's rented out to a family from Sweden, but I'll hook you up, dude.

01:17:26.000 It's bad.

01:17:26.000 You just bring your family up there.

01:17:28.000 Santa Barbara's awesome.

01:17:29.000 It is one of the best spots.

01:17:31.000 It really is one of the best spots.

01:17:32.000 So what were you saying about Jeff Glover?

01:17:33.000 You knew him from Paragon?

01:17:35.000 I've trained with Jeff for years.

01:17:37.000 Paragon used to be the size of two of these tables.

01:17:41.000 Like, in a little room.

01:17:42.000 And so I would go down and walk down from my uncle's house and go down to Paragon when those guys were just starting.

01:17:48.000 And me and Jeff have trained together for years.

01:17:51.000 And Bill, too.

01:17:52.000 Bill, when he...

01:17:53.000 Yeah, Bill the Grill.

01:17:55.000 Every time I'd come in there, he'd want to go straight wrestling.

01:17:58.000 Like, hey, can we do some takedowns?

01:17:59.000 Because he was trying to work on that part of his game.

01:18:01.000 But, like, I've trained with...

01:18:03.000 I've trained with Cobrina.

01:18:04.000 I've trained with Hobson Mora.

01:18:06.000 I've trained with Glover.

01:18:08.000 Whenever I see somebody that can whoop me in jiu-jitsu, I'm going with that guy.

01:18:13.000 I had Hobson come stay at my house.

01:18:14.000 I go and train with Cobrina all the time.

01:18:16.000 I had Glover.

01:18:17.000 I'd always hit him up and go with him.

01:18:19.000 So I've been going with those top-level guys my whole career.

01:18:22.000 That's huge though.

01:18:23.000 That's a giant accomplishment for you and even bigger for Chad to tap Glover.

01:18:28.000 You gotta see this guy, man.

01:18:30.000 I'm sure.

01:18:30.000 That's what I'm always saying.

01:18:31.000 I always give you shit.

01:18:33.000 I've said it like two or three times and I'm like...

01:18:35.000 I'm like, let's roll.

01:18:37.000 And you're like, ah, you just want to try to fucking, you know, put it on me and this and that.

01:18:42.000 And I'm like, no, because you're always worried about me and other people's guards.

01:18:45.000 I said this the other day.

01:18:46.000 I'm like, whenever I'm worried about you and other people's guards, like in a fight, I'm talking about your commentary.

01:18:53.000 When have I ever been worried about you and someone's guard?

01:18:56.000 What's his name?

01:18:56.000 Michael McDonald.

01:18:57.000 He's like, you're right.

01:18:58.000 Michael McDonald's got a really good close bottom game.

01:19:01.000 Well, I have to say that because you have to look out for things.

01:19:03.000 I mean, if I'm looking at a fight, I'm looking at what's the possibilities here.

01:19:07.000 Absolutely.

01:19:07.000 I know.

01:19:08.000 I'm just fucking with you.

01:19:09.000 He does have a good guillotine from his back, but you fucked him up, man.

01:19:11.000 He has some good triangles.

01:19:13.000 He's got a good game.

01:19:14.000 That was a big win for you.

01:19:15.000 That was a big fight.

01:19:16.000 That was a good fight.

01:19:17.000 A wild fight.

01:19:19.000 Yeah, at that fight, I mean, he was knocking everyone out.

01:19:22.000 Yeah.

01:19:23.000 Yeah, he's a weird one, man.

01:19:24.000 Like, in his style.

01:19:25.000 Because you look at his body, you think, like, how is this guy a heavy puncher?

01:19:29.000 And then he just...

01:19:30.000 He hits hard.

01:19:31.000 Oh, you can believe it.

01:19:32.000 It's a weird thing.

01:19:34.000 Cody's like that.

01:19:35.000 Look at him all skinny and dopey.

01:19:37.000 But he can hit hard.

01:19:40.000 I've been giving this guy shit for the last two days because of this black eye.

01:19:44.000 He got a black eye.

01:19:45.000 He got elbowed by somebody that was covering up, kind of scared.

01:19:49.000 And then he boxed with my little Joseph Morales, who's been with me since he's nine.

01:19:53.000 He's a 25-pounder, just had his debut in the UFC. And I'm like, man, Popo got you with that black eye?

01:19:59.000 And he's like, no, it was the elbow.

01:20:01.000 And I'm like, no, man, it was...

01:20:02.000 I was getting up.

01:20:03.000 He got so pissed.

01:20:04.000 He's like, you're going to make it a real hard day for Joseph next time we spar.

01:20:08.000 Don't you think, though, that having a bunch of people around you that fuck with you like that is actually probably good for you when you get into a situation with a guy like, say, Dominic Cruz who talks a lot of shit.

01:20:19.000 You're so used to it.

01:20:20.000 That was one of the interesting things about that fight.

01:20:22.000 You could tell you're so used to shit-talking.

01:20:24.000 It didn't bother you at all.

01:20:26.000 It seemed like it charged you up.

01:20:27.000 Yeah, because he was getting fired up.

01:20:29.000 I was like, man, Dom doesn't act like that.

01:20:30.000 The way he was acting on our Times that we ran to each other.

01:20:35.000 I remember at the Mizugaki fight, he was talking so much shit about me being fatherless and like crazy.

01:20:40.000 I'm like, dude, like...

01:20:41.000 Really?

01:20:43.000 You could tell he sat around and tried to do research as how he's going to talk shit.

01:20:46.000 Yeah, he knew that my father was in prison or whatever.

01:20:48.000 I'm like, dude, that's...

01:20:49.000 Right.

01:20:50.000 It doesn't matter.

01:20:51.000 So we go through the...

01:20:52.000 I'm getting ready to film, to walk in, to fight Mizugaki at 2.02.

01:20:55.000 And I catch fucking Dom at the corner of my eye, like, look and look, look away.

01:21:00.000 And I was like, oh, okay.

01:21:01.000 I'm going to have to say something to him now.

01:21:02.000 We caught...

01:21:02.000 So we're up to him.

01:21:04.000 He's like, what's up, man?

01:21:05.000 I was like...

01:21:06.000 What's up, man?

01:21:07.000 I mean, I was like, you're going to talk shit on the media about stupid what you're even saying.

01:21:12.000 Like, I'm going to knock Mizogaki out faster than you did, and I'm going to beat your ass next.

01:21:17.000 And then I was like, look, I don't slam you on the concrete now, like Biz Bing and...

01:21:22.000 Daniel Camaro was right there.

01:21:24.000 And he's like, oh yeah.

01:21:25.000 He looked back and he's like, yeah.

01:21:28.000 He's like, you do have daddy issues.

01:21:29.000 He said the off-the-wall shit.

01:21:31.000 Sorry, I know he's not about it.

01:21:33.000 He's a great fighter, don't get me wrong.

01:21:34.000 But when it's in that kind of situation, he's not.

01:21:37.000 I knew he was a flight.

01:21:40.000 You knew what?

01:21:42.000 He wasn't about the fighter.

01:21:44.000 So you mean he didn't want to brawl with you?

01:21:46.000 Exactly.

01:21:47.000 He's not a fighter.

01:21:48.000 He's an athlete.

01:21:48.000 He's good at what he does, but I knew that he was at a different level, mentality-wise.

01:21:53.000 But that's a weird statement.

01:21:55.000 I've heard people say that before.

01:21:56.000 He's an athlete.

01:21:57.000 He's not a fighter.

01:21:58.000 But if he's fighting, he's a fighter.

01:22:00.000 So what's the difference?

01:22:02.000 I think...

01:22:04.000 I think Dominic actually showed...

01:22:06.000 I think he got too brave with Cody.

01:22:08.000 There's a couple times where he's like, alright, I'm going to get in there and show him I can hit hard.

01:22:12.000 And got him in trouble in that fight.

01:22:14.000 I think he's a fighter.

01:22:15.000 I know what he's talking about with athletes that are more athletes and less of a fighter.

01:22:20.000 People say that a lot about George St. Pierre.

01:22:22.000 Yes.

01:22:23.000 I don't know if George St. Pierre loves a good, nasty, knockdown, dragout.

01:22:29.000 I know TJ Dillashaw...

01:22:33.000 He likes to get punched in the face and punch people back.

01:22:35.000 Cody Garbrandt will stand there and if he gets punched, he'll march guys down with his face down and tell them to hit him again.

01:22:41.000 There's those kind of people that love a fucking grinding fight, whether he's going to do it all the time or not, but they have an affinity for it.

01:22:50.000 They enjoy it.

01:22:52.000 And then some people that are playing a sport consider themselves tough and don't...

01:22:57.000 Don't like that kind of...

01:22:59.000 It's interesting.

01:23:00.000 Rumble said that about himself.

01:23:01.000 Rumble Johnson said, I'm an athlete.

01:23:03.000 He goes, I'm not a fighter.

01:23:04.000 I'm just really good at it.

01:23:05.000 Which I thought was crazy.

01:23:07.000 Yeah.

01:23:08.000 Are you chewing over there?

01:23:10.000 Is that what's going on?

01:23:10.000 No.

01:23:11.000 You guys chewing tobacco?

01:23:11.000 I'm drinking.

01:23:12.000 Okay.

01:23:13.000 You were spitting in something.

01:23:14.000 I just had a loogie, man.

01:23:15.000 Oh.

01:23:16.000 I don't chew.

01:23:17.000 I don't have any vices.

01:23:18.000 I thought you were getting into that now.

01:23:20.000 Fuck.

01:23:21.000 That fight leading up with Dominic was everyone thought I was...

01:23:26.000 The emotional one.

01:23:27.000 The way that he was acting, I was like, man, this is going to be an easy fight for me.

01:23:30.000 Right, because he was out of sorts.

01:23:32.000 It was not like Dominic.

01:23:35.000 Well, you were a big threat.

01:23:36.000 That's probably what it was, right?

01:23:38.000 I gave Dominic credit because I know that Dom knew that was going to be a hard fight.

01:23:43.000 I said, hey bro, thanks for choosing the harder route and talking up the fact that Cody is the next guy because he went for the toughest fight.

01:23:53.000 He knew that.

01:23:55.000 Yeah, he came to fight.

01:23:56.000 He got hit, he got busted, he was leaking.

01:23:59.000 I mean, his eye was completely gashed.

01:24:01.000 He was still fighting, like, come on, you know, talking.

01:24:03.000 But all the way up to that point where I head kicked him and split him open, and he was talking shit back to me.

01:24:09.000 It was funny.

01:24:10.000 I was like, he's like, what?

01:24:10.000 You little bitch.

01:24:11.000 Like, that didn't hurt.

01:24:12.000 Like, I was laughing.

01:24:12.000 Like, oh, don't you lie.

01:24:13.000 Like, don't lie to me.

01:24:14.000 I know that one got...

01:24:15.000 You know?

01:24:15.000 So it was fun.

01:24:16.000 Like, it was figuring him out but still, like, talking shit to each other and then going and...

01:24:20.000 And it was great because I'm like, this is a guy that I pictured fighting since I was a teenager.

01:24:23.000 You know what I mean?

01:24:24.000 And got prepared for him.

01:24:25.000 He's, you know...

01:24:26.000 But you said once he hit that, he stopped.

01:24:28.000 Right, so exactly.

01:24:29.000 Every time I hit him or I hit him with a good shot or he thought he'd get me with one, we'd go back and forth.

01:24:35.000 And so I head kicked him and my knee hit him and he came back up.

01:24:39.000 And I saw him like, great poker face, man.

01:24:42.000 He's tough.

01:24:43.000 He knows how to, you know, when he's hurt, he keeps it going.

01:24:46.000 But his eyes, he looked at the blood and I saw his pupils go really big.

01:24:49.000 And I was, hey, Dom, you having fun yet?

01:24:51.000 And he didn't answer back.

01:24:53.000 I was like, right then, the third round it was, I knew that's okay.

01:24:57.000 If I just keep doing what I'm doing, I'm going to win this fight.

01:24:59.000 I'll end up catching him.

01:25:01.000 It's my fight, as long as I don't get caught with something.

01:25:03.000 Because he throws looping punches and kicks, and he's very unorthodox.

01:25:07.000 But I knew right then after that, he was like, oh, shit.

01:25:10.000 This is an interesting fight coming up for you to be fighting TJ after training with him for so long and all the bad blood that you guys had with TJ leaving the team and going to train with Dwayne.

01:25:18.000 It's not so much about the team.

01:25:20.000 There's a lot of confusion about what went down.

01:25:24.000 Let's lay it out for people because TJ trained with you guys for a long time.

01:25:29.000 If I send you a text, I'll show you the four minute video of him explaining Exactly what happened, which is, you know...

01:25:36.000 You don't have to do that, but tell me from your point of view.

01:25:39.000 So, TJ left the team, like, said, hey, look...

01:25:44.000 First off, it was...

01:25:47.000 Stemmed on Ultimate Fighter with Connor.

01:25:49.000 What's that?

01:25:51.000 Go from that, because he was there, and that's when we were defending him.

01:25:54.000 That's why I took it to...

01:25:56.000 I'm all about loyalty.

01:25:58.000 You don't do that shit.

01:25:59.000 I never really liked Dwayne, especially the way he left, because he was a strange guy.

01:26:04.000 It was always about money and weird things, etc.

01:26:07.000 He left, and that was fine.

01:26:09.000 That was his deal.

01:26:10.000 TJ was going to try to have him come back and train at our gym, but...

01:26:13.000 For his fight, and Dwayne refused to do it.

01:26:16.000 And I had a talk with TJ, and he was crying that Dwayne just wanted to focus on his own gym and this and that.

01:26:23.000 And he's like, you know, whatever.

01:26:24.000 And so he's like, I'm going to spend some time there and spend some time here, etc.

01:26:28.000 Like, that's fine.

01:26:30.000 So TJ... When he got there, he got some exposure for Muscle Farm, and Muscle Farm was like...

01:26:38.000 Let me help people out here.

01:26:39.000 Dwayne Ludwig is a former kickboxing champion, who was an MMA fighter, who fought in the UFC, and then went on to be a coach.

01:26:45.000 For a year and a half, for a year and three months.

01:26:47.000 No, no, he coaches now a lot, right, with his own gym.

01:26:50.000 But for you guys, he was your striking coach for a little bit.

01:26:53.000 For a year and three months.

01:26:54.000 And he worked with a bunch of your fighters, and he had a very special relationship with TJ. Then he moved out to Denver, and he moved out to Denver to start his own thing, and then Muscle Farm, which has a big gym in Denver, they invited TJ to come train there.

01:27:09.000 So fill in the blanks for people that don't know the story, that aren't maybe big-time fans.

01:27:13.000 So then he basically said that he wanted to...

01:27:17.000 That he wanted to...

01:27:19.000 He was doing his camps there for about a year and a half.

01:27:22.000 He'd spent a little time there, a little time here.

01:27:24.000 Most of the time, he lived in Sacramento most of the time there.

01:27:27.000 We'd go work with Dwayne.

01:27:28.000 No problem with it.

01:27:30.000 I had cornered with Dwayne even after he left with guys and stuff like that.

01:27:35.000 It wasn't an issue.

01:27:36.000 So then I heard Dwayne actually text me and was like, Dwayne said something like...

01:27:43.000 There's a whole side of the Dwayne thing, which is hilarious, that was him getting weird a year after he left, acting like he was there.

01:27:52.000 He tried to sue me for a figment of his imagination of some money that wasn't even there, and this whole thing.

01:27:59.000 He had one of his students write this thing.

01:28:02.000 There was something where he said that I'd like...

01:28:06.000 I can't even remember.

01:28:07.000 Like something like I didn't give him a discretionary bonus that was supposed to be given or something like that.

01:28:12.000 And so there was like some interminglings about that, whatever.

01:28:19.000 So Dwayne texts me and says – and I said, dude, I never set – I had to set the record straight on Dwayne.

01:28:24.000 And Dwayne texts me and says, hey, I'm not the one trying to steal your team and your fighters.

01:28:29.000 I know there's a team out here in Denver being built, but I'm not a part of that.

01:28:35.000 And I was like, are you talking about...

01:28:36.000 And I had talked to someone else that said that, hey, I heard that Matt Brown and TJ Dillashaw are getting paid to be on this team.

01:28:47.000 And so I come in and I was like, hey, we're talking about some team things and TJ was in practice.

01:28:51.000 I go, I got the weirdest thing.

01:28:53.000 Dwayne texts me this and this other guy said this.

01:28:56.000 I said, are you going to...

01:28:58.000 Like, paid to go start a new team or something?

01:29:01.000 And it was...

01:29:02.000 Cody was there, and Lance was there, and I was there.

01:29:05.000 And TJ, like, lies straight to us about the whole thing.

01:29:09.000 He's like, no, man, no, they offered me, but I'm not...

01:29:12.000 I'm with you guys, you know, on Team Alpha Male.

01:29:14.000 He's like, this and that.

01:29:15.000 And I was like, okay, whatever.

01:29:16.000 Then, time goes on.

01:29:19.000 And we have an actual sit-down talk.

01:29:22.000 We go eat sometimes and everything.

01:29:23.000 And TJ, Chad Mendes, my buddy Phil, we all go and eat.

01:29:27.000 And TJ just tells me, like, hey man, my next camp I'm going to go out to Denver, which he'd already been going out to Denver.

01:29:35.000 It had been like a year and a half since Dwayne had been gone.

01:29:37.000 It wasn't like he'd gone or whatever.

01:29:39.000 And he's like...

01:29:41.000 But MusclePharm offered me some real good money to be a part of their team.

01:29:46.000 He's like, so basically I'm no longer going to be representing Team Alpha Male.

01:29:51.000 I'm going to do my camp out there and they're going to announce me.

01:29:56.000 How much money are we talking about?

01:29:58.000 He told me at the time it was, I think, $4,500.

01:30:01.000 A month?

01:30:02.000 A month.

01:30:03.000 And they were going to rent him a house.

01:30:05.000 And I was like, okay.

01:30:07.000 And Chad was sitting right there.

01:30:08.000 TJ was sitting there.

01:30:09.000 I go, well, shoot, man.

01:30:10.000 It was nice having you on the team.

01:30:12.000 And he's like, why are you getting upset?

01:30:13.000 I go, I'm not upset.

01:30:14.000 I'm just saying, like, you're off the team then?

01:30:17.000 And he's like, well, yeah.

01:30:19.000 But he's like, but I have a house here.

01:30:20.000 I'm still going to come back and, like, come in and spar when I'm in town in the offseason or whatever.

01:30:25.000 So it just felt real weird to you guys.

01:30:27.000 It felt real weird.

01:30:28.000 And then I said, well...

01:30:31.000 So he was no longer going to be on our team.

01:30:33.000 He was going to be on a different team.

01:30:36.000 But then he wanted to come in.

01:30:37.000 At the time, I'm ranked number three in the world.

01:30:39.000 Cody and him are going at it in practice.

01:30:41.000 It's anybody's given day.

01:30:43.000 We can look at the footage, if you guys have the footage.

01:30:48.000 And then Holdsworth, 7-0, and had just won the Ultimate Fighter.

01:30:54.000 So TJ's basically saying he's leaving the team.

01:30:55.000 I go, bro, TJ, I said, you can...

01:30:58.000 You know, you're welcome to stay on the team, but if you're no longer on the team, what does that mean?

01:31:07.000 He's like, well, I mean, it's just a good opportunity, man.

01:31:10.000 They don't have to pay.

01:31:11.000 They pay me to train, and they're starting a team, and everything's going to be under one roof, and I go, alright, cool.

01:31:20.000 Has anybody ever done that where it worked?

01:31:22.000 I don't know.

01:31:23.000 They always tried that.

01:31:24.000 Black Zillions.

01:31:25.000 Black Zillions did.

01:31:25.000 But here's the thing.

01:31:26.000 So then after that, he was going to leave in two weeks.

01:31:30.000 And so me and Cody are sitting in there and like...

01:31:35.000 We hadn't said anything.

01:31:36.000 I told Fabio, our instructor, our jiu-jitsu instructor, what was happening.

01:31:40.000 And he told someone in Brazil, I was a Brazilian in Brazil, leaked it out that TJ was changing camps and there was all this drama and this and that.

01:31:48.000 And then I said, look, TJ, so he was coming in and TJ was never the best teammate.

01:31:54.000 He would try to hurt people.

01:31:55.000 He's a very competitive guy and he has a temper.

01:31:58.000 Try to hurt people, huh?

01:32:00.000 Cheap shotting.

01:32:01.000 Cheap shotting.

01:32:03.000 At the end of Bell, boxing, he knee ya.

01:32:07.000 No knees, he's like, I just knee him to the body.

01:32:09.000 I'm like, yeah, we're boxing sparring.

01:32:11.000 He knees you to the body and boxing sparring?

01:32:14.000 There's no secret about TJ's...

01:32:16.000 We talked about it when he was still on the team also, that he had to be reeled in a little bit.

01:32:21.000 He's just got a temper.

01:32:23.000 That's why you called him Killshaw?

01:32:24.000 Yeah, Killashaw, Dillashank, like all that kind of stuff.

01:32:27.000 I mean, that was his thing, you know?

01:32:30.000 Such a super competitive, aggressive guy.

01:32:32.000 And cheap shots, yes.

01:32:34.000 Yeah, the super competitiveness, like I'm competitive, I don't want to lose.

01:32:37.000 Someone takes me, you know, I'm fighting tooth and nail not to get taken down or get that extra, win that round.

01:32:42.000 It just, at the end of the bell, knees, you know what I mean?

01:32:44.000 That's why Chris is out, you know what I mean?

01:32:46.000 Knee him in the back of the head for concussions.

01:32:48.000 Yeah, that's it.

01:32:49.000 Chris Holdsworth?

01:32:50.000 That's where the injury came from?

01:32:51.000 I mean, I don't want to, Chris doesn't want us really talking about that.

01:32:54.000 But that's the truth.

01:32:55.000 We're talking about cheap shot.

01:32:57.000 What was it again?

01:32:58.000 I mean, he doesn't care if we talk about it.

01:33:00.000 That's the truth.

01:33:01.000 What happened?

01:33:02.000 How did it go?

01:33:03.000 I'm not saying it.

01:33:05.000 It was him and TJ going.

01:33:07.000 I remember distinctively, Dwayne used to come up to Chris and be like, hey, Grasshopper.

01:33:12.000 He's like, we have TJ's fight.

01:33:14.000 Can you take it easy on him?

01:33:15.000 Can you take it easy on him?

01:33:16.000 Chris is a killer.

01:33:18.000 Chris is fucking him up.

01:33:19.000 Everybody.

01:33:19.000 I mean, Chris is an animal.

01:33:21.000 And I guess Chris choked him out and TJ got out and fucking eat him in the back of the head.

01:33:24.000 When he was down on the mat.

01:33:26.000 In a grappling match?

01:33:28.000 Or were they sparring MMA? It was sparring, but...

01:33:30.000 Knees to the back of the head.

01:33:31.000 That's what...

01:33:41.000 I don't know if that's exactly how it was.

01:33:43.000 I remember seeing the whole thing.

01:33:45.000 I don't really want to get into this because it's Chris's gig, man.

01:33:47.000 Yeah, that's fine.

01:33:48.000 But we already got into it.

01:33:51.000 We're talking about TJ being a cheap shot.

01:33:54.000 That's what literally killed Chris's career?

01:33:57.000 Yeah.

01:33:58.000 The majority of them, obviously concussions.

01:33:59.000 I'm real good friends with Chris.

01:34:01.000 They live together.

01:34:02.000 They live together.

01:34:04.000 He went through it.

01:34:05.000 That's why his last fight was.

01:34:06.000 He had to fight with a concussion because he was scheduled to fight.

01:34:10.000 It happened twice in practice like that.

01:34:13.000 It's one of the things that when I first came out there, I was never real close with TJ. I was out there, I was doing well with the guys, and a couple of the guys told me, like, man, TJ can't wait to spar with you.

01:34:21.000 This is when he was coming off his Rafael Sinsalas.

01:34:24.000 I was like, cool, like, fuck it.

01:34:26.000 I can't wait to spar with him either.

01:34:27.000 He's better, and it's going to be a good round, you know?

01:34:30.000 And I was pretty warned, like, hey, TJ does some cheap shit, just, you know, keep it cool.

01:34:34.000 And there's video, I think I have some, uh, one of the kids that was a boxing, he sent it to me months ago.

01:34:40.000 TJ, like, cheap shot me after the bell, and I was like, I remember telling TJ, I said, look, motherfucker, you cheap shot me again, we're taking the gloves off, we're going in the street and fighting.

01:34:47.000 Yeah, I had to talk Cody down twice because of that.

01:34:50.000 Yeah, I just don't ever like that, especially teammates, you don't do that shit.

01:34:53.000 Like, hey, you get me, you get me, but don't cheap shot me at the end of the bell, and then As soon as you're hitting someone after the Chiefs, you're like, oh dude, I'm sorry.

01:35:00.000 You know what you're doing.

01:35:01.000 So anyways, that being said, we knew that was part of TJ's thing, but now he's no longer part of our team, and he's also getting paid to go somewhere else.

01:35:12.000 He's no longer contributing in any way, and he wants to come in and come in and spar our guys.

01:35:17.000 He basically wanted to be on our team, benefit of our team, without being a part of the team anymore and getting paid to be somewhere else.

01:35:24.000 Right.

01:35:25.000 I would have been fine if he talked to me about like, hey, I'm going to work something out where I go get paid and do this, whatever.

01:35:30.000 But then I'm like, okay.

01:35:31.000 So that whole week he's in there and he's sitting there watching me and Cody in practice.

01:35:38.000 And I don't care.

01:35:39.000 I mean, TJ is a competitive.

01:35:41.000 He's always looking for edge.

01:35:42.000 That whole week prior to telling us that he was leaving, he kept getting like...

01:35:46.000 Hey, there's getting some proprietary series in this series.

01:35:50.000 There's a single leg guard series I used to get him with.

01:35:52.000 He's like, having me and Martin Camp show him all this stuff we were working on.

01:35:55.000 Hey, can you show me this and show me that?

01:35:57.000 Like the week before.

01:35:58.000 And then...

01:35:59.000 So I was like, I go, TJ, look, man, this is getting awkward in practice.

01:36:02.000 I said, look, we can...

01:36:03.000 I had him over at my house and I said, look...

01:36:06.000 We can build a friendship however we want to do it.

01:36:08.000 I said, but this is getting awkward and you being in practice and you no longer being on the team and everything else.

01:36:16.000 Let's finish out this last couple days and then you be on your team.

01:36:21.000 We can be friends on the outside.

01:36:23.000 We can work on that as a deal, whatever.

01:36:26.000 He wanted to come in and train with our team still as not part of the team.

01:36:31.000 Right.

01:36:33.000 And then I was like, but you're welcome to stay on our team, obviously, if you want, and continue to do your camps and whatnot.

01:36:39.000 And he is just like out.

01:36:43.000 So at that point, it became him taking this opportunity, going to Denver, being with Dwayne, getting paid to do the muscle farm thing.

01:36:50.000 And then the whole thing with Connor happened on the TV show before this.

01:36:56.000 Before any of this happened, Conor McGregor started calling him a snake because me and Conor had one conversation.

01:37:04.000 We were sitting there and he goes, man, congratulations on TJ defending his belt because he was still on our team, his last title defense.

01:37:12.000 And I go, thanks.

01:37:13.000 He goes, but what's up with Dwayne saying that no one on your team wants to be champions?

01:37:16.000 That's weird.

01:37:17.000 I said, oh, he's just bitter because he's trying to get everyone to go out to his camp.

01:37:22.000 He's just being a hater, this and that.

01:37:24.000 And he goes...

01:37:25.000 He took that little bit of drama between me and Dwayne, like Dwayne saying that no one on our team wanted to be your champions, including Cody, who sent him a tweet that said, hey, keep my name out of your mouth.

01:37:37.000 You're like a jealous girlfriend or whatever.

01:37:39.000 And he took that one little thing, and then next time he saw TG, he goes, oh, there's a snake in the grass and just built it in this big thing.

01:37:47.000 It's crazy how well he is at manipulating that kind of shit.

01:37:49.000 He's so good at seeing people, right?

01:37:51.000 So that took...

01:37:52.000 What really happened, which was TJ got paid to go somewhere else.

01:37:56.000 Me saying, alright, fine.

01:37:57.000 If you're going to do that, it's cool.

01:37:58.000 But if you're on that team, you're on that team.

01:38:01.000 And then Connor turned the public around on him.

01:38:06.000 Yeah.

01:38:07.000 Because it came out later after the thing.

01:38:09.000 And so then T.J. became the victim.

01:38:11.000 And now T.J.'s new story is that I got mad that he was training with Dwayne Ludwig and I kicked him off the team.

01:38:18.000 Well, you know, T.J. now has a snake as his logo.

01:38:21.000 I know.

01:38:21.000 It's hilarious.

01:38:22.000 On the Ultimate Fighter, he brought in snakes.

01:38:24.000 You know what I mean?

01:38:25.000 He's at home with it, you know?

01:38:27.000 He's cool with it.

01:38:28.000 So it's all good.

01:38:29.000 How weird.

01:38:30.000 If you want to be friends, let's be friends.

01:38:32.000 But don't lie.

01:38:35.000 Rewinding back to it, I remember going to Canada.

01:38:38.000 It was during the Ultimate Fighter, sticking up for TJ. Because TJ wasn't saying that.

01:38:43.000 Conor was basically inviting him to fight.

01:38:46.000 And TJ was like, yeah, nonchalantly, whatever about it.

01:38:50.000 But wasn't defending himself.

01:38:51.000 Like, I'm not a snake.

01:38:51.000 Someone called me a snake in the grass.

01:38:53.000 I was like...

01:38:54.000 Disloyal to my teammates and shit, we're fighting.

01:38:56.000 And that's why I stick up for TJ, because TJ's literally, I'm like, we're partying in Vegas, we're having a good time, like, for the first time hanging out.

01:39:02.000 Yeah, you had kind of a heart-to-heart with him, too.

01:39:04.000 With TJ, yeah, and he's like, so he's telling me this shit, like, he's like, dude, I'm with you guys, like, I'm not leaving, fuck that, like, I'm with you guys.

01:39:10.000 So I'm like, this is, not even that I'm not that close with TJ, but he's part of our team, he's a champion, he's, you know...

01:39:17.000 When you're a champion, you get taken care of, and people, you know, I'll defend them.

01:39:20.000 So, Conor was doing that.

01:39:22.000 He's like, what are you guys going to do?

01:39:23.000 And it was talking about TJ. So, I was like, man, I'll do something about it.

01:39:26.000 Like, you're asking for a fight?

01:39:27.000 We'll fight.

01:39:28.000 And it broke into the pushing match, and it was going out to the outside.

01:39:32.000 Because that's TJ saying that he was with us.

01:39:35.000 So, I'm like, dude, he's not going to talk about my team.

01:39:37.000 So, how does it feel now, knowing that you're going to defend against TJ with all this weird drama?

01:39:43.000 All this bullshit.

01:39:44.000 For me, I don't ever get wrapped up into it.

01:39:46.000 It might look like that with the show.

01:39:49.000 My life's been like this.

01:39:50.000 I can live and prosper and focus on...

01:39:53.000 When it's time to focus and die, it's like flipping a switch.

01:39:56.000 I can be doing the dumbest shit.

01:39:58.000 You're fighting Dominic Cruz.

01:40:00.000 We're in the back just doing dumb shit.

01:40:01.000 I'm not even warming up.

01:40:03.000 I'm just flipping a switch.

01:40:04.000 I always was like that since I was a little kid wrestling, football.

01:40:07.000 When the lights shine, that's when I shine the brightest, I always feel like.

01:40:11.000 And now with TJ... I don't respect him as a person, but it doesn't mean I don't respect him as a fighter.

01:40:17.000 The guy is skillful, he's mean as fuck, and he's going to bring a fight that's going to be what I love a challenge.

01:40:23.000 With TJ, it's going to be a challenge.

01:40:24.000 I know him like the back of my hand.

01:40:26.000 My coaches know him like the back of my hand.

01:40:28.000 We were able to dissect Dominick Cruz, for me, through all their experiences.

01:40:32.000 This is a guy they built up that was there longer than I've been.

01:40:36.000 I went out there at 1-0.

01:40:37.000 I had 10 fights now with Team Alpha Male.

01:40:40.000 No, 11-0 world champion.

01:40:43.000 Obviously, I was skilled before I got there.

01:40:44.000 We blended together.

01:40:46.000 They had the recipe for success.

01:40:47.000 I listened and followed Lead with Faber and a lot of other guys on the team.

01:40:51.000 And so we know TJ. I know what he's going to do.

01:40:53.000 I know what I have to be prepared for.

01:40:56.000 So I'm excited for it.

01:40:57.000 All the drama, bullshit, hey, whatever, it's going on too long.

01:41:01.000 I'm just ready to focus on this fight and go in there and do what I have to do to get this win.

01:41:06.000 Well, you have a good mindset.

01:41:07.000 I mean, that is a gigantic part of what makes someone successful in the sport, is being able to do that.

01:41:13.000 Like you said, having the confidence that you're going to shine the brightest when the lights are on.

01:41:17.000 And having this mindset like you're appreciating the fact that T.J. is mean and skillful.

01:41:22.000 It's going to give you a great challenge.

01:41:24.000 Yeah, it's like, man, I'm sitting on the couch or something, like, what do you think T.J. is doing?

01:41:28.000 He's sitting on the couch, like, you're getting, I'm going to do the extra woodwork, because you know T.J. is a workhorse like that.

01:41:32.000 Right, right.

01:41:32.000 So as for me, it makes me motivated.

01:41:34.000 I need these guys to keep me motivated.

01:41:36.000 Like Dominic, you know, I watched the embeddings of him.

01:41:38.000 He was running alone, you know, like a sob story on Christmas.

01:41:40.000 Like, I just got to do this.

01:41:41.000 I like it.

01:41:42.000 I'm sitting there, you know.

01:41:43.000 We're having a party.

01:41:44.000 Yeah, having a party.

01:41:44.000 Like, man, I'm enjoying this shit.

01:41:46.000 Like, I'm about to fight for my first title.

01:41:47.000 You know, I'll never have this time again in my life.

01:41:50.000 I'll never fight for my first world title.

01:41:52.000 Now it's, I'm finally getting to defend my title.

01:41:55.000 Who cares?

01:41:55.000 A lot of, we were talking about this.

01:41:56.000 A lot of people win the title, but what the fuck do they do with it?

01:41:59.000 Right.

01:41:59.000 You know, now it's about creating that legacy.

01:42:01.000 And now I have TJ who's, man, he's a bad motherfucker.

01:42:04.000 He was ranked in the pound for pound before in the top ten.

01:42:07.000 Sure.

01:42:08.000 He's a killer, so that's a, I'm going to catapult my career with him.

01:42:11.000 And I know what I'm going to do with him.

01:42:13.000 Like I said, I've been with 1-0 when I was green, so I was just boxing, wrestling, athletic, love to fight.

01:42:19.000 Now I've blended and found my own style and just finally getting really composed in there where I can let my skills show off.

01:42:27.000 And I'm fighting higher people, so my skill level rises.

01:42:30.000 I've always was like that.

01:42:31.000 Now what is this video, supposedly, of you knocking him out?

01:42:35.000 Oh yeah.

01:42:36.000 Yep.

01:42:37.000 Oh yeah, true.

01:42:38.000 True, yeah.

01:42:39.000 How come you guys didn't release it?

01:42:42.000 First off, I don't have it.

01:42:44.000 I have seen it.

01:42:45.000 It's Justin.

01:42:45.000 It was on Justin's GoPro.

01:42:47.000 And dude, I felt not bad for it because it was just whatever.

01:42:52.000 TJ followed me around wherever I would go.

01:42:55.000 I'd put my gym bag away.

01:42:56.000 Hey man, I slipped, dude.

01:42:58.000 I'm like, okay TJ. Literally, he was off his rocker about it.

01:43:02.000 TJ's super competitive.

01:43:04.000 How did it go down?

01:43:05.000 What happened?

01:43:07.000 I remember him throwing a Doing his little footwork and then he did the jump down and does the uppercut and I just threw overhand right.

01:43:15.000 Boom.

01:43:15.000 Melted him.

01:43:16.000 Out.

01:43:16.000 And he got up and he was literally fighting Easton.

01:43:21.000 Right before the Easton fight because I remember the date.

01:43:23.000 He didn't go out cold like flat out.

01:43:25.000 He just got dropped.

01:43:26.000 Dropped and came back up and he was on stanky leg like Walker.

01:43:30.000 And he's going, come on motherfucker!

01:43:31.000 Hit me!

01:43:32.000 I'm like, just like, I'm like, like, pulling my jibe out, like, no.

01:43:35.000 He was saying that after you dropped him?

01:43:36.000 Yeah, he's a fucking nut.

01:43:38.000 I love it.

01:43:38.000 Yeah, he's always like, this TJ's a fucking nut.

01:43:41.000 Come on, motherfucker!

01:43:42.000 So it wasn't a knockout as much as it was you just dropped him?

01:43:45.000 Yeah.

01:43:46.000 I dropped him.

01:43:49.000 I mean, his legs forward.

01:43:51.000 And then he got back up and started saying, come on, motherfucker.

01:43:54.000 So he was conscious, right?

01:43:55.000 And he knew that he had hit.

01:43:55.000 He was staggering, bro.

01:43:57.000 He looked like John Dodson had him on skates again.

01:43:59.000 Honestly, that's what I was like, oh, okay.

01:44:01.000 And I was like, I'm not going to hit him.

01:44:02.000 You're fighting in two weeks.

01:44:03.000 I wasn't like that.

01:44:04.000 But literally, he had to say he fell forward and he slipped.

01:44:07.000 I'm like, dude, it doesn't matter.

01:44:08.000 I'm not going to stay on, you know?

01:44:09.000 And then I was showing Danny how I like Castillo because he likes overhand rights.

01:44:13.000 How I like to throw my head off the lane and bring the right hand.

01:44:15.000 This and that.

01:44:16.000 And Buckles comes over.

01:44:17.000 He's like, dude.

01:44:18.000 And it was on Christmas Day or something sparring.

01:44:22.000 Buckles was filming his own sparring.

01:44:25.000 He's like, dude, I was going to watch you knock TJ out.

01:44:27.000 And I was like, oh, yeah.

01:44:28.000 He's like, oh, I have it on my GoPro.

01:44:31.000 I'm like, oh, that's cool.

01:44:32.000 And then nothing ever came about it.

01:44:33.000 And then TJ was saying that he used to make me cry in practice.

01:44:36.000 No.

01:44:37.000 I have cried in practice before because this motherfucker jumped me on my head.

01:44:41.000 Before that, I made a fight.

01:44:42.000 I was, like, super mad about it.

01:44:43.000 Faber comes in, has a camera crew at the Purest Labs.

01:44:47.000 And, like, we're going hard.

01:44:48.000 And, like, it dumps me on my head.

01:44:49.000 I'm like, oh, I get mad.

01:44:50.000 I'm like, you know, I'm, like, trying not to get hurt before the fight.

01:44:53.000 So, like, I never cried.

01:44:54.000 TJ never made me cry.

01:44:55.000 So I was like...

01:44:55.000 What is he talking about making me cry?

01:44:57.000 Like, I'll admit if I cried in practice.

01:44:59.000 So when you get dumped on your head, did you get concussed or something?

01:45:01.000 Did you get hurt?

01:45:02.000 More of like, Favre thinks I'm like, huh?

01:45:05.000 He's out.

01:45:05.000 He cried.

01:45:06.000 Pride.

01:45:07.000 Pride, he's saying.

01:45:08.000 Favre comes in just...

01:45:10.000 Come on!

01:45:10.000 I don't barely remember this.

01:45:12.000 I think what's happened...

01:45:13.000 First off, here's the thing.

01:45:15.000 Cody is a dangerous, dangerous motherfucker.

01:45:18.000 If you're not on your...

01:45:19.000 Even if he's not trying to, you're getting fucking rocked or hurt or whatever.

01:45:23.000 So I have to be on A-game with him, even if you're going light, you know, unless he's going to go light.

01:45:29.000 But light doesn't work when a guy's accurate and strong and everything else.

01:45:32.000 So we had to go...

01:45:33.000 So it was just like a wizard hip heist...

01:45:36.000 Launched me, dude.

01:45:38.000 Launched me on my head.

01:45:39.000 Because you were coming after me.

01:45:41.000 So I know now when there's a camera crew fall in favor, it's not light, it's fucking a fight.

01:45:46.000 So I'm prepared for that.

01:45:49.000 That's where all that came from about the video and coming out.

01:45:52.000 We had the video of you getting knocked out, TJ. He was saying he beat us all up with the Dominic sit-down.

01:45:58.000 I think Dwayne was maybe saying that or something.

01:46:01.000 He said that Dominic.

01:46:02.000 Dominic's like, oh, you beat your teammates up.

01:46:03.000 He's like, yeah, I actually, for a matter of fact, have been beating them up.

01:46:06.000 I don't follow most of the stuff.

01:46:08.000 What's your thoughts on sparring?

01:46:10.000 Do you think that you should be sparring hard or do you think you should be sparring technical and pull back on shots or do you think you should have a little bit of both?

01:46:17.000 I think a little bit of both.

01:46:19.000 I think Beginning of camp, you get your rounds in to where you're feeling comfortable, and then later on in camp, your technique, your combos that you're working, kind of like fight simulation, but get those rounds in because you're not wanting to beat your body up closer to the fight.

01:46:34.000 I want to feel fresh at the fight, and that's how I've always used—I'll literally get 50 rounds of sparring.

01:46:39.000 Start tapering off towards the end of the fight camp, as it's called in boxing, really.

01:46:44.000 No fight camps.

01:46:45.000 In camp, do you try to spar with only people that you know, so that you know that you can trust them, so you know, like, especially, obviously this TJ fight's a giant fight.

01:46:53.000 Huge fight.

01:46:53.000 And it's going to be huge, not just for the division, but for the sport.

01:46:57.000 I mean, all the major fans are going to be paying attention to this fight.

01:46:59.000 Yeah, definitely.

01:47:01.000 I'm safe with it now, like...

01:47:03.000 We were talking about, I've had all these fights logged in, not even just all the street fights, all the boxing matches, the sparring work.

01:47:10.000 I don't need to spar as much, but I need to...

01:47:14.000 We were sparring 10 rounds for the cruise fight.

01:47:17.000 10 straight 5s.

01:47:18.000 You know, 8 to 10 each week.

01:47:19.000 I'm like...

01:47:20.000 Buckles is kind of, you know, it worked.

01:47:23.000 You know what I mean?

01:47:24.000 But we were doing smaller glove, more MMA-based.

01:47:27.000 You know, big gloves, I mean, techniques are out the window.

01:47:30.000 You know, people just brawl and brawl kind of shit.

01:47:32.000 Like, I like small glove.

01:47:33.000 You know, you're still peppering the shots, hitting them, but you're working the whole game.

01:47:37.000 Takedowns, submissions.

01:47:38.000 So I like that.

01:47:39.000 And also fight simulations.

01:47:40.000 I like fight.

01:47:41.000 Like, having my uncle come out, pad holder, Justin's Yeah, there is nothing like running,

01:48:02.000 sprinting, blowing out the lungs, etc.

01:48:04.000 There's nothing like...

01:48:08.000 We're good to go.

01:48:10.000 We're good to go.

01:48:35.000 And it's just being smart about it.

01:48:38.000 Yeah, Cowboy doesn't spar anymore.

01:48:40.000 Really?

01:48:40.000 Yeah, Cowboy essentially does mostly drills and pad work and simulations and stuff like that.

01:48:45.000 And if he does spar, I think he spars super light because he was realizing that he was beating himself up too much in training and coming into fights like already kind of a little soft.

01:48:54.000 Not soft, but you know.

01:48:55.000 Yeah, I trained with him for a week and that's what he loved to do.

01:48:58.000 Fucking treadmill, bike workouts, and sparring and pad work.

01:49:02.000 You know, nothing really else.

01:49:03.000 Didn't wrestle Jits.

01:49:04.000 He just loved sparring, doing all that.

01:49:06.000 Did he spar hard though?

01:49:10.000 I heard he's like a killer, knocking dudes out of the gym like a nasty fucking sparring partner cowboy.

01:49:20.000 Maybe that's one of the reasons why he stopped doing it.

01:49:22.000 Probably.

01:49:23.000 Maybe all that stuff.

01:49:25.000 I mean, look, you can't always be the hammer.

01:49:28.000 If you're having those kind of rock-em-sock-em-robot sparring sessions, you're going to get tagged.

01:49:32.000 For sure, right?

01:49:33.000 Absolutely.

01:49:33.000 For me, I like getting in those.

01:49:35.000 We just had Saturday sparring with...

01:49:37.000 Eric Sanchez.

01:49:38.000 Yeah, we had a killer's row of sparring going on this last weekend.

01:49:43.000 Ten rounds, yeah.

01:49:43.000 You gotta get those in sometimes.

01:49:45.000 Those, for me, I've been out of it for a little bit.

01:49:48.000 Just knowing that...

01:49:50.000 It's a couple weeks to knock the rest off.

01:49:53.000 That's why it feels good.

01:49:54.000 But you feel good about it.

01:49:55.000 You're like, wow, we're going to go in here and fight.

01:49:57.000 I know the fight that TJ's going to bring.

01:49:59.000 I hope it's a phone booth.

01:50:01.000 I hope it's standing trade.

01:50:02.000 Let's see.

01:50:03.000 I don't know how he's going to...

01:50:05.000 Because he knows my skills.

01:50:06.000 He knows that I've gotten so much better since then.

01:50:10.000 I was still...

01:50:12.000 Getting the better of him.

01:50:13.000 I'm not saying to my own horn or whatever.

01:50:15.000 It's the gym.

01:50:16.000 But as competitive as he is and competitive as I am, you're not going to give an edge in practice.

01:50:20.000 I don't give an edge in practice.

01:50:21.000 Faber takes me down.

01:50:22.000 We're going again.

01:50:23.000 You know, it's vice versa.

01:50:24.000 I take Faber down.

01:50:25.000 Oh, it's overtime.

01:50:26.000 We go 40 minutes after sometimes.

01:50:28.000 It's like, this guy's one of the hardest guys to break because he's just...

01:50:32.000 I don't know if he's too dumb to know he's tired or stop going, but I'm like, damn, dude.

01:50:36.000 We were just talking about that.

01:50:38.000 Now he's retired, so he comes in.

01:50:40.000 All fresh.

01:50:41.000 He's all fresh, but he comes in.

01:50:43.000 This guy's retired.

01:50:44.000 I'm going to fuck Faber up.

01:50:45.000 This guy's breaking these younger dudes that are killers themselves because he just has that mentality.

01:50:50.000 It's a different breed.

01:50:51.000 Like I said, TJ, he's that breed.

01:50:54.000 He is that breed.

01:50:55.000 To that point.

01:50:56.000 He's an alpha male guy, unfortunately.

01:50:59.000 Yeah.

01:51:01.000 Do you guys feel like you could ever reconcile or do you feel like he's crossed a line into some weird sort of treacherous area?

01:51:08.000 I did so much defending of that guy because of, you know, whatever his thing is here and this and that.

01:51:14.000 And I have a lot of great friends that are newer.

01:51:17.000 I mean, like, Cody's newer in my life, but we've got a bond.

01:51:21.000 I've got friends that I've had since I was, like, kindergarten and before kindergarten and growing up together, you know, I've got great groups of friends, so it's like, I mean, I can reconcile whatever.

01:51:35.000 Just stop lying about what actually happened to save your face.

01:51:39.000 It's like, I'd never kick the guy off of a team or anything, and then he gets the one opportunity on national television to say something about me.

01:51:47.000 That's my only qualm with the guy.

01:51:48.000 I didn't like Dwayne because of the things that he had done.

01:51:51.000 But TJ and I were always cool.

01:51:53.000 Yeah, I still made it work.

01:51:55.000 Is that one of the weirdest things about running a gym and running a camp?

01:51:58.000 Is that you kind of have to manage?

01:52:00.000 Oh my gosh.

01:52:00.000 You almost have to be like a psychologist.

01:52:02.000 Oh my gosh, dude.

01:52:04.000 A lot of fighters are prima donnas and you throw in fighters.

01:52:07.000 You're almost not just a trainer, not just a teammate, but you're also a psychologist and some sort of a counselor.

01:52:13.000 I have to be glue.

01:52:15.000 Honestly, I'm just learning this more and more.

01:52:17.000 When I step out of the area too much, it's like, I have to come back in and put out fires and bring everyone back together.

01:52:26.000 I would say that's one of my skills is getting along with people and making things mesh and finding a culture and building a healthy environment.

01:52:35.000 That can get tweaked so easily.

01:52:38.000 It's crazy.

01:52:39.000 It's cancer.

01:52:39.000 Yeah, and now Justin Buchholz is your main trainer now, right?

01:52:42.000 He's like...

01:52:43.000 What we've gone to now is we have...

01:52:49.000 We're good to go.

01:53:16.000 And I'm in a lead position as a coach.

01:53:19.000 I run practices and oversee things and coordinate things.

01:53:22.000 It's a co-op.

01:53:23.000 It's a big co-op and different people have different coaches that are like their main gig and different skill sets.

01:53:29.000 Justin's still fairly young too, right?

01:53:30.000 How old is Justin?

01:53:31.000 He's like 34?

01:53:32.000 Yeah, he's 35 I think.

01:53:33.000 And is he completely done competing?

01:53:36.000 That's a great question.

01:53:38.000 You never know with the fight game.

01:53:40.000 It only takes a yes to be back in the fight game.

01:53:43.000 Sometimes guys, when they coach, they also feel like they're getting better because they understand things more.

01:53:48.000 You see that a lot with jiu-jitsu competitors.

01:53:51.000 A lot of times coaching makes them a better fighter.

01:53:53.000 Absolutely.

01:53:54.000 Yeah.

01:53:55.000 I don't know if he'll come back, but I mean, what we've got is a great co-op and it's always a struggle to keep things because there's going to be clicks.

01:54:03.000 There's going to be the potheads and the nerds and the fucking jocks and like, you know, whatever.

01:54:09.000 Fucking dopers.

01:54:11.000 So are you enjoying it still?

01:54:13.000 Oh yeah.

01:54:13.000 After all these years in the game?

01:54:15.000 Dude, you know what?

01:54:16.000 It was awesome.

01:54:17.000 I went to Mexico City and I missed Chad's wedding to go.

01:54:22.000 And Chad's my boy.

01:54:23.000 I love Chad.

01:54:24.000 I love Abby, his wife.

01:54:26.000 And I know I miss a great time.

01:54:28.000 But I got to go corner Joseph Morales...

01:54:32.000 He's the oldest member of our team.

01:54:34.000 He's been with us the longest.

01:54:36.000 He was nine years old when he started with us.

01:54:39.000 That's crazy.

01:54:40.000 It was me and Danny Castillo and our coach Joey in his corner.

01:54:46.000 Danny was getting all teared up.

01:54:47.000 We all got teared up right before the fight.

01:54:49.000 We brought it in and everyone's kind of crying and everything.

01:54:53.000 Joseph, I mean, he's been through his struggles.

01:54:56.000 When he was going through a hard time, I took him to the front row of UFC and just put him right there and let him visualize.

01:55:04.000 So that's the stuff I enjoy.

01:55:06.000 Now, you guys had Yair in camp, huh?

01:55:09.000 Yes.

01:55:09.000 What a crazy style.

01:55:10.000 He's staying at my house right now.

01:55:11.000 He's all by himself in Big Ol' House.

01:55:13.000 What a crazy style that guy's got.

01:55:15.000 Dude, he's a really talented guy.

01:55:17.000 Weird style too, right?

01:55:19.000 Like that Taekwondo-based kicking and wild shit.

01:55:23.000 Like when he hit BJ Penn with a 360 roundhouse kick to the face, you're like, oh, okay.

01:55:28.000 Yeah.

01:55:29.000 He's got good range.

01:55:30.000 It's crazy.

01:55:31.000 He has good range.

01:55:32.000 He even said that.

01:55:33.000 His hands, you know, I'm not so good with the range and knowing my kicks, I'm real accurate with his kicks.

01:55:38.000 And he says I kick harder and stuff.

01:55:40.000 Yeah, he feels like he's more accurate and faster with his kicks than he is with his hands.

01:55:45.000 Well, there's less consequences if he's not doing it with someone who's also a great kicker.

01:55:49.000 Because he's able to operate in a range where he's pretty effective and most people aren't.

01:55:54.000 He's a long kicker, too.

01:55:55.000 He's been staying at my house the last week, and so I'm getting to know him a lot.

01:56:01.000 What a cool dude.

01:56:02.000 That guy's very smart.

01:56:04.000 He's well put together.

01:56:07.000 I got to hear a little bit about the town he's from, Chihuahua, in Mexico.

01:56:11.000 It's a pretty scary place.

01:56:14.000 His journey as a young kid is one of the top karate guys in Mexico.

01:56:19.000 He's been a competitor for...

01:56:22.000 We used to have a coach that used to hit him with a stick so they left that place and the guy called him back and was like, can you please come back?

01:56:29.000 I won't hit you with a stick anymore?

01:56:30.000 Yeah, when he was like 7 and 8. He's been in the combat sport for a while.

01:56:37.000 I think that Frankie Edgar fight was a very tough fight for him, but a good fight as far as a learning experience.

01:56:43.000 And a lot of people had said that, and I was one of the ones that said it, like, we'll see what happens when he fights a great wrestler.

01:56:49.000 Like, that's going to be the real issue with him, because he's got all this wild kicking stuff, but that stuff doesn't work if somebody grabs ahold of you.

01:56:56.000 Right.

01:56:56.000 If someone can control you.

01:56:59.000 Frankie's on a different level with that, too.

01:57:01.000 He's great at mixing it together.

01:57:03.000 So, Yair...

01:57:05.000 His wrestling, because I got to wrestle him the other day, he actually posted a little video of us wrestling.

01:57:09.000 But his wrestling is good.

01:57:11.000 It's just like Conor.

01:57:13.000 Conor's boxing is really good.

01:57:15.000 It's just not Floyd Mayweather good.

01:57:18.000 Right, right, right.

01:57:19.000 In the later rounds, you know?

01:57:20.000 So, like, Yair's made a lot of gains.

01:57:23.000 He went and trained with Israel Martinez, who put him through like a...

01:57:27.000 You know, he's a great coach, Israel.

01:57:29.000 Very good coach.

01:57:29.000 And he put him through...

01:57:33.000 Like a whole year of wrestling, so his wrestling is top notch, but it's not, you know...

01:57:38.000 It needs to get to another level.

01:57:40.000 Not Frank Yeager level.

01:57:41.000 Right.

01:57:41.000 When you're a little bit fatigued and you make a small mistake and the guy can capitalize, but it's getting there.

01:57:48.000 Yeah, it's interesting.

01:57:50.000 You see so many different approaches, and his approach is very unique, and it's one of the things that's exciting about him is that he's got that crazy, wild kicking style.

01:57:58.000 Yeah.

01:57:58.000 I mean, he'll throw everything.

01:58:00.000 Yeah.

01:58:00.000 Yeah, he torpedo kicks, all kinds of shit.

01:58:02.000 That's a guy I like to mix up with, because you don't see too many of those guys, but once you run into them, you've got to be prepared for them.

01:58:09.000 Yeah, and it's good to watch him and Feely were training.

01:58:11.000 He got a win over Feely, but Feely felt like, oh man, I was in that fight.

01:58:17.000 He just got caught.

01:58:18.000 He got popped in the orbital and then couldn't see and got switched, kicked to the dome.

01:58:23.000 And so Feely is like, man, it's fun to watch these guys come full circle, like...

01:58:29.000 Yair beat Feely, and now they're training together and working together a little bit.

01:58:34.000 And then Darren Elkins lost to Chad, and Darren Elkins came to see us, and he's been on like a six-fight win streak.

01:58:40.000 That guy is a friggin' gem, dude, huh?

01:58:42.000 Dude, that fight with Mursat Bektik was one of the craziest moments I've ever seen in the Octagon.

01:58:47.000 Getting his ass kicked for every fuckin' second of the first couple rounds, and he finally gets a hold of him.

01:58:53.000 The damage.

01:58:53.000 Beats him down and KOs him, and then just screams like a demon.

01:58:57.000 Yeah.

01:58:58.000 Covered in blood.

01:58:59.000 I was sitting there.

01:59:00.000 I left during the second round.

01:59:02.000 I was like, man, I can't watch this.

01:59:03.000 I don't like watching my friends, especially when shit like that happens.

01:59:05.000 I walked out, and the next thing you know, the place goes nuts, and I see Elkins, you know, knock them out.

01:59:10.000 I was like, holy, that kid, that kid.

01:59:12.000 You gotta, honestly, to stop Elkins, you have to knock him the fuck out.

01:59:16.000 Gotta shut his brain off.

01:59:17.000 Shut his system off, yeah.

01:59:18.000 For sure.

01:59:18.000 So tough.

01:59:19.000 Elkins is the pillar of consistency.

01:59:24.000 He's always at every practice, listens to every coach, going hard.

01:59:30.000 We have these two Chechnyan brothers that come in.

01:59:34.000 They're from Chechnya.

01:59:35.000 They're really talented guys.

01:59:36.000 I'm actually going to go corner the guys over in Ukraine.

01:59:39.000 But they're super skilled fighters.

01:59:42.000 But don't have that grind like we have here.

01:59:46.000 And so they keep popping him.

01:59:48.000 Boom, boom, boom.

01:59:49.000 And then they keep trying to call timeout.

01:59:52.000 They catch him with a couple things.

01:59:53.000 And Elkins is chasing out.

01:59:54.000 They go, uh-uh, you're not taking a timeout.

01:59:58.000 Uh-uh.

01:59:59.000 He grabs the guy.

02:00:00.000 Why do they try to take timeout?

02:00:02.000 Because they get tired.

02:00:03.000 The funniest shit.

02:00:05.000 They'll be pop, pop.

02:00:06.000 His head will fly back.

02:00:08.000 Boom.

02:00:09.000 Hit him there.

02:00:09.000 Kick him in the leg.

02:00:10.000 And he's like...

02:00:12.000 Keeps forward.

02:00:13.000 Then he catches him with something and grabs him, like, oh, timeout, timeout.

02:00:16.000 He's like, uh-oh, fuck that, motherfucker.

02:00:19.000 No timeout.

02:00:20.000 Elkins is a grinder.

02:00:21.000 Yeah, he's a grinder.

02:00:22.000 He looked great against Dennis Bermudez.

02:00:24.000 That's a big win.

02:00:24.000 Awesome.

02:00:25.000 That's a big win.

02:00:25.000 Bermudez, and he looked smooth in that fight.

02:00:27.000 Smooth.

02:00:27.000 He didn't take as much damage.

02:00:29.000 His name's a damage for a reason because he gets so much damage.

02:00:31.000 But it's also like the way he's moving looks better.

02:00:34.000 The way he's kicking and punching, his combinations.

02:00:37.000 He looks like he's got less extra steps.

02:00:39.000 It's like...

02:00:40.000 It's all smoothness in his transitions and his movements.

02:00:43.000 That's what we've been working on.

02:00:45.000 Go ahead.

02:00:45.000 I think a lot of that has to do with, obviously, the work and the footwork.

02:00:48.000 Some of these guys are straight wrestlers, and then they're like, alright, we're going to wrestle and throw punches and try to take you down, but the footwork is the core of everything.

02:00:57.000 Yeah, you can throw good hands, but if your feet are out of position, you're getting taken down.

02:01:01.000 You're not going to land power punches.

02:01:03.000 So the footwork, I... Religiously work on footwork daily.

02:01:07.000 Yeah, like that's all I do is footwork Dominic mean that is his entire thing is his ability to move is just so unusual his footwork is so weird And that's one of the things where you went toe-for-toe for him toe-to-toe with him when your your footwork is equally as good as his is not better and you were landing harder combinations for us to Master Tong was all about footwork and body mechanics,

02:01:30.000 and he's back in Thailand now, and then that's been passed on to our next generation of coaches.

02:01:35.000 Did he move back?

02:01:36.000 He did move back after 11 years.

02:01:38.000 Why did he decide to move back to Thailand?

02:01:39.000 Became a monk for a day.

02:01:41.000 He became a monk for a day because...

02:01:42.000 Because his parents had died.

02:01:44.000 If you don't go and live in the monastery for within a year and a half after, he hadn't seen his son in 11 years since his son was four.

02:01:53.000 And he spent all his time FaceTiming with his family and he wasn't necessarily allowed back.

02:01:59.000 And when he went back, he stuck back.

02:02:02.000 He wasn't allowed back?

02:02:03.000 How come?

02:02:04.000 Illegal.

02:02:05.000 Oh, so he couldn't come back to America if he went back to Thailand.

02:02:10.000 Yeah, so when he was gone, he was gone because he overstayed a visa.

02:02:13.000 Oh, I see.

02:02:15.000 So when you saw TJ Dillashaw in my corner in Canada, that's because Master Tong couldn't go to Canada.

02:02:22.000 TJ knew every single thing that...

02:02:25.000 That Master Tong knew all his stuff and could hold mitts.

02:02:29.000 But he was all about that.

02:02:31.000 See, that's what's great about having all these coaches.

02:02:33.000 Justin Buckles, he knows Master Tong's style.

02:02:38.000 He knows my style.

02:02:41.000 He knows every coach you've ever had in there.

02:02:43.000 Dwayne's style.

02:02:44.000 He knows anybody.

02:02:46.000 Dimitri Maidonic...

02:02:48.000 Dimitri Madonic style.

02:02:50.000 Anybody that's been in here, he knows Bob, Bob's, Uncle Bob's style.

02:02:56.000 And so you get a guy like Darren Elkins that needs to work on that striking.

02:03:00.000 And we put him with Justin Buckles and, you know, with the cumulative part of the team.

02:03:14.000 Do you think that guy got into the UFC too quick?

02:03:27.000 Maybe a little bit, but it doesn't matter.

02:03:29.000 Young guy, super talented, and was looking really good in some small organizations, but really didn't have a complete game yet.

02:03:35.000 I'm going to tell you, he learns really, really fast.

02:03:38.000 I always mess with Cody.

02:03:40.000 I always get this guy, I'm like, man, Sage learns a lot faster than you.

02:03:45.000 It's not really the case, I just like to fuck with this guy.

02:03:49.000 Doesn't Sage have a sister that's a karate competitor too?

02:03:52.000 Yeah.

02:03:53.000 Did she fight MMA? She took her first fight and she lost.

02:03:58.000 But she has some potential too.

02:04:00.000 That's interesting.

02:04:01.000 He's a fun case, you know, because he's got that weird karate style.

02:04:06.000 He's super fast, super explosive.

02:04:08.000 He's got a mean streak too though.

02:04:09.000 I mean, you wouldn't know it, but he's got a little mean streak, and he's got all the knowledge.

02:04:14.000 Everybody, because he's nice, everybody wants to help the guy, and he's so nice that he's just like, oh, thank you, and just learn from whoever tells him, you know?

02:04:21.000 Calls me Mr. Faber.

02:04:23.000 That's awesome, Mr. Faber.

02:04:26.000 Mr. Favor.

02:04:27.000 Now when you guys do a camp, like say you training for TJ, who organizes your camp?

02:04:32.000 How do you organize your strength and conditioning routine?

02:04:35.000 How do you organize what you're going to do that day?

02:04:38.000 Or do you do it based on how you feel?

02:04:40.000 Who is the coordinator?

02:04:42.000 Myself, basically, that's what we do.

02:04:45.000 Faber always would preach about, hey, it's a lifestyle change.

02:04:47.000 If you need to do this much work, you need to do wrestling, get some guys on the team and wrestle.

02:04:52.000 So I'll figure out what I need to do, especially for this fight with TJ. I know the specific work that I need.

02:04:58.000 Combos, what he throws, what he likes to do, vice versa.

02:05:00.000 So I get with all my coaches, like, hey, I would like to have this much work with Chris, this much work with motion and movement with Faber, pad work.

02:05:09.000 I have my uncle come out and do pad work as well.

02:05:11.000 And then I get with my strength and conditioning coach where I'm going three times a week.

02:05:14.000 Right.

02:05:15.000 Usually one heavy day, two, like, movement, footwork, you know, greasing the body.

02:05:20.000 So it's just always, like, usually on that Sunday, we're like, hey, we lay it out, boom, lay it out, lay it out.

02:05:25.000 So you lay out the whole week in advance.

02:05:27.000 So, like, when you have a heavy day, say if you have, like, a rock-up soccer robots day, the next day, do you like to do, like, yoga, stretch out, do movement, hit pads?

02:05:37.000 Like, how do you work it?

02:05:38.000 I usually go...

02:05:40.000 Sunday is kind of like a, what do you call it, like a shakeout kind of workout.

02:05:45.000 Active rest.

02:05:45.000 Active rest where you're moving, doing footwork.

02:05:47.000 Active recovery.

02:05:47.000 Yeah.

02:05:48.000 So I don't feel like garbage on Monday.

02:05:49.000 Monday we hit it hard, usually morning practice or pad works in the afternoon and then jiu-jitsu.

02:05:54.000 So it's usually three on Mondays.

02:05:56.000 Tuesdays I usually just wrestle and maybe do some pad work because I like to kind of be rested for sparring because sparring is a lot.

02:06:03.000 Sparring on Wednesday.

02:06:04.000 And then I'll usually do a strength conditioning workout after sparring.

02:06:07.000 And on Thursday is usually my like no impact day.

02:06:10.000 I usually kind of like, it's wrestling.

02:06:11.000 Sometimes I'll go in there and just wrestle.

02:06:12.000 If I feel good, I'll drill.

02:06:14.000 I won't go live.

02:06:15.000 And then I'll do like yoga or more of my hyperbaric chambers.

02:06:19.000 I like to go towards the end of the week after the sparring because Fridays It's an MMA practice, so it's like everything.

02:06:25.000 You're doing the sparring, MMA, you're doing the grappling.

02:06:29.000 So is this trial and error that's led you to this schedule that gives you the thought to take Thursday light and then go hard on Friday, Monday hard, Sunday light?

02:06:38.000 Yeah, this is what has worked for me.

02:06:40.000 As I said, I came out here, literally I was in, I was doing...

02:06:44.000 My own strength and conditioning before I came out to Team Alpha Male, and I was hitting pads with my uncle, and I'd go in and spar.

02:06:50.000 I wouldn't even MMA spar, I would do boxing with takedowns.

02:06:52.000 That's all we would do, because a lot of the boxers I was with wrestled, you know what I mean?

02:06:57.000 So we would just do either boxing or wrestling, so the boxers didn't want kicked.

02:07:01.000 Right.

02:07:01.000 So we're just doing that.

02:07:02.000 I get my work and I was working with Paul Spataphora, a lot of these boxers in Cleveland and Pittsburgh.

02:07:09.000 And I finally came out here and these guys had it like, man.

02:07:12.000 A system.

02:07:12.000 A system, like a wrestling system.

02:07:15.000 That's why I do so well because they do the drilling.

02:07:17.000 You start out with this.

02:07:18.000 We're going to go wrestling and then we're going to go in the clinch, you know, back to strikes, fit-ins, like it goes from this.

02:07:24.000 It's structure.

02:07:25.000 Yeah.

02:07:26.000 So I didn't, I never knew any of that.

02:07:27.000 Like first time I really trained jiu-jitsu was out here.

02:07:30.000 Learning it and blending it together.

02:07:32.000 Like I said, I was a good athlete, good wrestler, good fighter, good boxer.

02:07:37.000 But I found my own style here with going and doing...

02:07:41.000 Really, the first year that I was here, I was just training.

02:07:45.000 I was in the gym all the time.

02:07:46.000 He actually told me, he's like, bro, this is like a little...

02:07:49.000 We had to tone it back a little bit, which, like I said, we have...

02:07:53.000 This team was built on overtraining.

02:07:56.000 It was like, I didn't take a vacation for seven years...

02:08:01.000 I mean I never took vacations growing up.

02:08:03.000 Either we didn't have money.

02:08:03.000 It wasn't like something that we did.

02:08:05.000 So I'm not like used to like, oh, we're taking a vacation.

02:08:07.000 But like seven years I didn't take a vacation.

02:08:10.000 And so it was like this grind, grind, grind and everybody's kind of keeping up.

02:08:13.000 And we've shifted and gotten smarter and had more input and et cetera, et cetera.

02:08:17.000 But the bottom line for me is this.

02:08:19.000 We have a lot of advisors.

02:08:23.000 Sage Northcutt is a great example.

02:08:25.000 He'll listen to whoever is talking to him and people want to talk to him all the time and tell him what to do.

02:08:33.000 There's an advisory.

02:08:35.000 We say, hey, this is the coaches and I think that you need to do this and we need to do that.

02:08:39.000 But you have to be, especially at a high level like this, you have to be a thermometer for your own stuff as well.

02:08:46.000 So we have set practices throughout the day, but if you're feeling way too beat up, Because we're not worried about guys not showing up to practice because they're lazy.

02:08:56.000 We have the best athletes in the world with the right mentality.

02:08:58.000 We trust that the mentality and the purpose is there and right.

02:09:02.000 So if you're feeling too much, you've got to let us know and we'll take a little back and do it there.

02:09:06.000 And so this is kind of what we found for...

02:09:09.000 Now, when you're scheduling everything yourself, there's two schools of thought on that.

02:09:13.000 There's one school of thought that says someone should be overseeing everything for you so you don't have to think about shit.

02:09:18.000 We're not telling you what to do.

02:09:19.000 Scheduling is one thing, but once you're scheduling, he's scheduling something with a coach.

02:09:23.000 He's got a strength and conditioning and a physical therapist that are taking that part of his thing.

02:09:29.000 He's got us as head coaches overlooking...

02:09:32.000 Saying, hey, we need to make sure that you're getting your, you know, this in.

02:09:36.000 But there's coaches every single time for that.

02:09:38.000 It's not like you're just on your own doing your shit.

02:09:39.000 Of course, right.

02:09:40.000 Some people do do it that way.

02:09:41.000 Yeah.

02:09:42.000 Some people like to do everything on their own, which is interesting, too.

02:09:44.000 And some people just like to be told what to do.

02:09:46.000 Right, yeah, yeah.

02:09:47.000 Like, just, here, you're gonna do this.

02:09:48.000 Exactly, yeah.

02:09:49.000 But that goes away once somebody fucks you up, you know what I mean?

02:09:53.000 Yeah.

02:09:54.000 That's, like, my Australian conditioning coaches, PT coaches, With my MMA coaches, they're all in coordinates.

02:09:59.000 Like, hey, we went heavy with this.

02:10:01.000 We should ease back this.

02:10:02.000 Maybe do this many rounds.

02:10:04.000 But that's just started doing that.

02:10:06.000 I think for the cruise fight, the first time I wore a heart rate monitor and trying to track where my heart rate was at.

02:10:10.000 I was getting up high in the 180s and then trying to bring it back down.

02:10:14.000 That's the first time I've ever done that.

02:10:16.000 So when you're doing that, are you doing that for strength and conditioning or are you doing that holding pads?

02:10:20.000 That was literally, we would throw for 90 seconds, we would throw...

02:10:27.000 We'd do it for six rounds.

02:10:29.000 I would throw the same combo.

02:10:30.000 We had three or four different combos that we'd throw for 90 seconds and just keep the input up.

02:10:35.000 So it's just ba-ba-boom, ba-ba-boom, ba-ba-boom, ba-ba-boom.

02:10:38.000 Yeah, it'd be a four or five punch combo and finish with the kick or whatever the combo was.

02:10:42.000 So your heart rates get jacked and then you wait until it gets down to what before you go again?

02:10:46.000 And then I think you would...

02:10:47.000 Like 140 or something?

02:10:51.000 I was getting it down, I think, lower than that.

02:10:53.000 And then you go again.

02:10:54.000 Yeah, so we do that.

02:10:56.000 How much time are you giving yourself in the recovery times?

02:10:59.000 In between rounds?

02:11:01.000 Yeah.

02:11:01.000 I like to do 45 seconds, because you think, middle thing, I'm going 45 seconds, I got another 15 seconds of, you know.

02:11:09.000 Recovery, right.

02:11:10.000 Yeah, usually you feel good at 30, like, oh, I'm good, I got 30 more seconds, now you put it to 45, and it's like, in the fight, you're like, well...

02:11:16.000 Because that minute goes fast as hell.

02:11:18.000 Right.

02:11:18.000 So you're talking to your coaches, you might have got your bell rung, getting stitched, or your eyes fixed, and then you're back up there.

02:11:25.000 So it's...

02:11:26.000 I like to keep it up for 45 seconds and just keep going.

02:11:29.000 Now here you are, you're 25, right?

02:11:32.000 26 now.

02:11:33.000 26. Champion of the world.

02:11:35.000 When you look at your future, you look at your potential future in the sport, I mean, you could be a gigantic fucking superstar.

02:11:41.000 The world is your oyster, right?

02:11:43.000 How do you plan on, do you have this sort of master plan for your career?

02:11:50.000 You know what?

02:11:51.000 My goal was so long to be the world champion, and I grinded towards it.

02:11:57.000 I had that goal.

02:11:57.000 I got that goal.

02:11:58.000 I accomplished that.

02:12:00.000 And then it was, boom, right into the ultimate fighter.

02:12:02.000 Boom, injury.

02:12:03.000 Boom, fight postponed.

02:12:05.000 So I was like, I haven't been able to really, really sit down.

02:12:08.000 Because I was like, well, you know, when you're in training, you're focused on something.

02:12:11.000 For me, I'm a creature of habit.

02:12:12.000 I like routine.

02:12:14.000 So we have just recently now sat down, and we've said about it, you know, Everyone can win the champion.

02:12:19.000 Everyone can be a world title.

02:12:20.000 It's what you do with the title.

02:12:21.000 Now I've set these goals to build my legacy, you know, to start going on.

02:12:25.000 And who knows?

02:12:26.000 Who knows what could happen in a year or so?

02:12:28.000 Like I said, I didn't think I was going to be injured.

02:12:30.000 You know, I never thought I'd be out this long.

02:12:32.000 This is the most trying time of my life because I couldn't do something that I love to do.

02:12:36.000 I've been in pain and injured.

02:12:38.000 How long have you been injured for?

02:12:39.000 Man, it's been years.

02:12:41.000 Since junior year, I started having back problems from football.

02:12:44.000 Whoa.

02:12:44.000 Fucking football.

02:12:46.000 On and off, yeah.

02:12:47.000 Fucking football.

02:12:48.000 Damn, fuck football.

02:12:48.000 So my uncle says all the time.

02:12:49.000 All the time.

02:12:50.000 Is that damn foosball?

02:12:52.000 And so I've dealt with it, but progressively it was the Henry Brionis fight was the fight that I almost pulled out of that fight.

02:13:00.000 It was the first fight I ever pulled out, besides obviously TJ had to postpone it.

02:13:04.000 I couldn't walk, but Sean Shelby gathered wind of Maddox and our story and that he wanted to walk, so I just told him and my back was like really bad then.

02:13:16.000 So that's when I really started to come on and then I didn't fight for, after the Henry fight, I didn't fight for nine months, ten months, and then I got...

02:13:23.000 The UFC kept booking me.

02:13:24.000 I fought Augusta Mendez.

02:13:26.000 I was supposed to fight other Brazilian.

02:13:29.000 Lineker.

02:13:30.000 He got sick the week of the fight.

02:13:31.000 Replacement.

02:13:32.000 And then fought him.

02:13:33.000 Then Almeida.

02:13:34.000 And then it was Mizugaki.

02:13:36.000 Then it was Cruz.

02:13:36.000 So I didn't have time to be like, really...

02:13:38.000 I just dealt with the pain.

02:13:39.000 Like, there was times where I would take two weeks off of, like, really training, doing anything.

02:13:43.000 Or it would switch sides.

02:13:45.000 It would be my left side or my right side.

02:13:46.000 So I would go Southpaw until that side started messing up.

02:13:50.000 And I'd switch back to Orthodox.

02:13:51.000 Like, it was a lot of, like...

02:13:53.000 Sometimes.

02:13:54.000 Working around it.

02:13:54.000 Working around it because I had to.

02:13:56.000 You went to Germany, right?

02:13:57.000 For that Regenikine procedure?

02:13:59.000 And how did that go?

02:14:00.000 You know what?

02:14:01.000 It felt good.

02:14:02.000 I felt like it took the, you know...

02:14:05.000 Inflammation.

02:14:06.000 Inflammation away, so it stopped, like, locking up and sending the shocks down my leg.

02:14:11.000 But still, I've been doing rehab since then.

02:14:14.000 I've been doing rehab Monday, Wednesday, and Friday.

02:14:16.000 And obviously, on Tuesday, Thursday, I do my lifting.

02:14:18.000 So I've been doing rehab and getting to become...

02:14:21.000 I feel like a better athlete.

02:14:22.000 I'm moving more.

02:14:23.000 But still, it's like...

02:14:24.000 From being constantly in a wrestling stance or a boxing stance, being like that, now I've re-pried myself open and the muscles around it are still...

02:14:32.000 I just had a little scare a couple weeks ago.

02:14:34.000 We're good.

02:14:35.000 We're moving on from that.

02:14:37.000 I feel way better.

02:14:38.000 My back feels way stronger.

02:14:40.000 I wasn't able to fight July 8th.

02:14:43.000 There's no way.

02:14:44.000 We try to get optimistic about it, going to Germany and thinking that it was going to heal.

02:14:49.000 Miracle.

02:14:50.000 Yeah, miracle shots.

02:14:52.000 Well, it maybe would have been if you took more time off.

02:14:55.000 More time off.

02:14:56.000 That's the thing.

02:14:56.000 It's like you're a pro athlete, so you're not just having these procedures and then taking a long time to recover.

02:15:03.000 You're having these procedures and then trying to get back to training pretty quick.

02:15:06.000 Literally, I had that fight, so I was literally seven weeks out from when I had the first stem cell.

02:15:11.000 Yeah.

02:15:11.000 And they're like, take a month off, take four weeks off, and then two weeks of trying to...

02:15:16.000 So that leaves me with a week and a half to train for my title fight.

02:15:19.000 You guys understand that?

02:15:20.000 Yeah, that's insane.

02:15:21.000 That doesn't even make sense.

02:15:23.000 So you're October 7th is the fight, right?

02:15:27.000 November 4th.

02:15:28.000 November 4th.

02:15:29.000 Oh, okay.

02:15:30.000 That's right.

02:15:30.000 Madison Square.

02:15:31.000 Oh, that's right.

02:15:32.000 Why the fuck did I think...

02:15:33.000 Okay, that makes it interesting.

02:15:35.000 It was rumored, I guess.

02:15:37.000 I mean, I got hit by a couple of news outlets I was fighting in October.

02:15:39.000 I'm like...

02:15:40.000 Yeah, that's the Vegas.

02:15:41.000 That's the Vegas card.

02:15:42.000 Who's on that card?

02:15:45.000 Kevin Lee, I think.

02:15:46.000 Oh, that's right.

02:15:47.000 Tony Ferguson, Kevin Lee for the interim 155-pound title.

02:15:50.000 That whole interim thing is so crazy, right?

02:15:53.000 They just sort of randomly decide when they're going to have interim titles.

02:15:55.000 How they do that.

02:15:57.000 Remember, Dominic Cruz had it for a long time, and they let him keep it for a long time.

02:16:00.000 And there's some guys, they're just like, alright, you're done.

02:16:02.000 Yeah.

02:16:03.000 That's what I was with the whole thing.

02:16:05.000 I said, I'm not rushing back.

02:16:06.000 If you guys want to make an interim title or take the title from me, that's fine.

02:16:09.000 I'm 25 years old.

02:16:11.000 I'm going to get the title back.

02:16:13.000 I got it here.

02:16:14.000 I'm going to get it back if that were to happen.

02:16:16.000 So I didn't want anyone to sit.

02:16:17.000 TJ wanted to go down and fight DJ because that was my thing.

02:16:20.000 I texted Sean and Danny because I can make 25. That was my whole...

02:16:25.000 Game plan was to fight TJ July 8th, and I got her pulled out, and then I was going to fight DJ in Madison Square Garden.

02:16:31.000 So I was always in my mind I was going to fight in November in Madison Square Garden.

02:16:35.000 It's just a different opponent.

02:16:37.000 Well, somebody's got to fight DJ. I was kind of bummed out that Demetrius decided not to fight TJ. I thought that would be an interesting fight.

02:16:45.000 I never even knew that was an option, just to be like, I'm not going to fight DJ. Well, he said, and I guess his mindset is that he's one fight away from breaking the record of the most title defenses ever.

02:16:58.000 And if TJ went down...

02:17:01.000 At being able to beat up anyone in the world in your weight.

02:17:04.000 Yes.

02:17:04.000 Which is the important thing to think about there.

02:17:06.000 Yes, it is.

02:17:07.000 But if he lost to TJ and TJ didn't make the weight, it would fuck him up.

02:17:13.000 Like, if TJ decided not to...

02:17:14.000 If he couldn't make the weight...

02:17:15.000 It's a lot of ifs.

02:17:16.000 It's a lot of ifs.

02:17:17.000 Yeah, it's a lot of ifs.

02:17:17.000 So he wanted TJ to fight one time at 125. Oh, to make sure he can make the weight.

02:17:22.000 Make sure he can make the weight.

02:17:23.000 Oh, that makes sense.

02:17:24.000 And then fight him.

02:17:25.000 I guess it makes sense, but the other thought process is you're the pound-for-pound best fighter on the planet.

02:17:30.000 You should be fighting the best fight that you can get.

02:17:33.000 Yeah.

02:17:33.000 And that's a really good fight.

02:17:34.000 Yeah.

02:17:35.000 It's like no one's...

02:17:36.000 Floyd didn't make sure Conor McGregor could make the weight.

02:17:38.000 They just booked the fight and relied on him as a professional.

02:17:42.000 How about when Jon Jones wouldn't fight Shale, though?

02:17:44.000 That's because he hated Shale, though.

02:17:46.000 Part of it was like, fuck this guy.

02:17:48.000 This guy might have a possibility of beating me.

02:17:51.000 He goes, no, I'll do this through a real camp.

02:17:53.000 He goes, I'm not going to come in here and take this on short notice.

02:17:57.000 I don't know, man.

02:17:57.000 He took the OSP fight on short notice and it wasn't his best fight.

02:18:01.000 He sort of prides himself on having a long game plan.

02:18:04.000 That's his mentality too, obviously.

02:18:07.000 Man, this whole thing is so depressing with John.

02:18:09.000 It is.

02:18:09.000 I know, man.

02:18:10.000 Apparently we're going to find out soon what's going to happen with the B sample.

02:18:15.000 But if the B sample tests positive as well, he's kind of doomed.

02:18:18.000 This is not much to do.

02:18:20.000 Dumed to what though?

02:18:20.000 Four years?

02:18:21.000 Four years.

02:18:22.000 Four years.

02:18:23.000 I believe, I mean obviously I'm not the fucking athletic commissioner, USADA or whoever calls it out, but I think the first one was what?

02:18:32.000 Well the first one was an out of competition, no the first one was a tainted supplement and they gave him a year, right?

02:18:40.000 Didn't they give him a year?

02:18:41.000 Yep.

02:18:41.000 For the dick pills?

02:18:43.000 Was it really dick pills what it was?

02:18:45.000 Yeah, they tested the pills.

02:18:47.000 Wasn't there some sort of estrogen blocker or something like that?

02:18:50.000 Yeah, they put those in these gas station dick pills.

02:18:55.000 Yeah, because they make you excited.

02:18:56.000 They block your estrogen, fill you up with...

02:18:59.000 I mean, look, they could put whatever the fuck they want in those things.

02:19:02.000 They're just trying to get your dick hard.

02:19:03.000 They're not thinking that a world class...

02:19:05.000 World champion professional athlete is taking these.

02:19:08.000 Gonna go into 7-eleven and get some dick pills.

02:19:10.000 He's a maniac.

02:19:12.000 But don't you think, though, I mean, this is what I've always said, that world-class fighters, like professional fighters, are not like any other athlete, because they're fucking reckless.

02:19:20.000 They're wild motherfuckers, like Cowboy, like you, like a lot of guys.

02:19:24.000 They are impulsive, reckless, risk-taking people.

02:19:28.000 Oh, yeah.

02:19:29.000 I don't know.

02:19:30.000 I mean, I guess that's...

02:19:31.000 Disciplined.

02:19:32.000 For sure.

02:19:32.000 I mean, professional for sure.

02:19:35.000 He's a Cali kid.

02:19:36.000 You're definitely different.

02:19:38.000 But there's a lot of different guys in the sport that have different personalities.

02:19:43.000 But a lot of fighters, it's a big percentage that are wild.

02:19:47.000 And John's fucking wild.

02:19:49.000 If you want to get a wild motherfucker like John who opens up his fight at 23 years old fighting Shogun for the world title with a flying knee against Shogun.

02:19:59.000 I mean, that's how you open the fight.

02:20:00.000 That's a wild, impulsive dude.

02:20:02.000 He just feels it and goes with it.

02:20:04.000 Flow state, yeah.

02:20:05.000 And feels like popping them gas station dick pills.

02:20:07.000 Just like, let's just do this.

02:20:09.000 He's redlining it all the time.

02:20:11.000 There's no like...

02:20:13.000 Yeah, he's redlining.

02:20:14.000 Well, I mean, he had all the excuses.

02:20:16.000 You know, the cocaine was just partying, the dick pills, that's more the same.

02:20:20.000 Now this one, though, is a different thing.

02:20:22.000 This is an actual...

02:20:23.000 What's he saying?

02:20:23.000 He's not saying anything.

02:20:24.000 No one's saying anything.

02:20:25.000 There's no official statement.

02:20:27.000 Talk to my lawyer.

02:20:29.000 Yeah, I mean, they're saying they didn't do anything.

02:20:31.000 You know, that would be the most fucked up thing in the world if somebody slipped some shit into your water, you know, just to get you to test positive.

02:20:37.000 You've got to watch everything you fucking eat.

02:20:39.000 I mean, you always have to think.

02:20:40.000 People definitely do double-cross people.

02:20:42.000 Yeah.

02:20:43.000 Definitely in this world.

02:20:44.000 Big time.

02:20:44.000 There's somebody who would absolutely put something tainted in your food.

02:20:48.000 All they'd have to do is sprinkle a little bit of it in a dish of food.

02:20:52.000 You wouldn't even notice it.

02:20:53.000 I mean, do you really think that's what happened?

02:20:55.000 I don't think anything.

02:20:56.000 I don't know anything.

02:20:56.000 I wonder...

02:20:57.000 I mean, that's true, though.

02:20:59.000 I mean, there's some fucking evil people out there.

02:21:01.000 That's one thing I've learned as getting older is, like, just being a nice guy, you assume everyone's nice and good, and it's like, there's some creepy, negative...

02:21:10.000 People out there, man.

02:21:11.000 It's beautiful when you find nice people because of that, though.

02:21:14.000 It balances it out.

02:21:15.000 It's like when you know people that you can trust that really are your brother, that makes it all the more...

02:21:20.000 If everybody was cool, you wouldn't necessarily appreciate cool people as much.

02:21:24.000 Yeah, absolutely.

02:21:25.000 Cool people everywhere.

02:21:27.000 Where's all the douches?

02:21:30.000 You'd be mad.

02:21:31.000 I need an enemy.

02:21:32.000 Yeah, I need someone to hate.

02:21:33.000 I need someone to beat up.

02:21:35.000 Have you ever fought somebody that you really liked?

02:21:37.000 I fought a bunch of guys.

02:21:38.000 Who did you fight that you really liked, Uriah?

02:21:41.000 I liked Charlie Valencia, Brian Bowles, I liked Scotty Jorgensen, I liked Eddie Wineland.

02:21:48.000 So you're friends with those guys?

02:21:49.000 I liked Michael McDonald.

02:21:51.000 I was friends with all those guys.

02:21:53.000 Weird, right?

02:21:53.000 I could say probably one.

02:21:55.000 Who?

02:21:56.000 Mizugaki, just because he didn't speak English.

02:21:58.000 Right.

02:21:59.000 Honestly, I was like, man, he's like...

02:22:02.000 But Cody, from the get-go, he goes, Hey, man, I know you're cool with your opponents and everything, but I like intensity.

02:22:07.000 I like fire.

02:22:08.000 People say that he's got a temper and everything.

02:22:10.000 He's like...

02:22:11.000 Yeah, he's fighting this guy.

02:22:13.000 He's getting that mentality.

02:22:14.000 That's part of what he likes.

02:22:15.000 My thing is, either you whip your ass or you whip my ass.

02:22:18.000 I'm always going to show you respect after.

02:22:20.000 Like, hey, it's good.

02:22:21.000 I remember when I got signed, I fought Marcus Brimmage.

02:22:25.000 And I don't like shaking my opponent's hand before the fight.

02:22:28.000 I never liked that.

02:22:29.000 I never liked glove-touching, any of that.

02:22:30.000 Marcus, I saw him a couple times in the hotel.

02:22:32.000 He's like, what's up, man?

02:22:34.000 I'm like, ah.

02:22:34.000 Cool, man.

02:22:36.000 Good to see you Saturday.

02:22:37.000 You know what I mean?

02:22:38.000 And I told him before weigh-ins, I was like, hey, go on stage.

02:22:41.000 I'm like, hey, I don't want to shake your hand out there.

02:22:43.000 Don't make me look like a dick.

02:22:45.000 He said, oh, that's cool.

02:22:46.000 He said, yeah, right on, man.

02:22:47.000 I said, I got respect for you.

02:22:49.000 Let's put on a show.

02:22:50.000 And I'm walking away.

02:22:52.000 I'm like, all right.

02:22:52.000 And he shook his hand out there.

02:22:54.000 And I was like, in my mind, I was like, oh.

02:22:55.000 So I shook it again.

02:22:56.000 I remember coming back to Buckles.

02:22:58.000 I was like, fuck.

02:22:59.000 He got me again with the handshake.

02:23:01.000 He probably didn't even realize his nerves and all that shit.

02:23:05.000 And plus someone's coming up to you like, hey, I don't want to shake your hand.

02:23:07.000 Let's just fight it.

02:23:07.000 How about they throw Brimage against Notorious and against No Love, man?

02:23:12.000 Tough times.

02:23:12.000 It's definitely for that guy.

02:23:13.000 It's because he wears that thing.

02:23:15.000 Yeah, that's why.

02:23:15.000 You have to wear that goggles.

02:23:17.000 What is that thing you're wearing?

02:23:18.000 What are you doing?

02:23:19.000 You're in a video game?

02:23:21.000 The post-fight press conference, I had a lot of respect for Dominick Cruz, the way he handled that.

02:23:26.000 He had no excuses.

02:23:28.000 He took it like a man.

02:23:29.000 He was a better man.

02:23:30.000 He beat me.

02:23:31.000 I got no excuses.

02:23:32.000 There's nothing I can say.

02:23:35.000 For sure.

02:23:36.000 You know, definitely.

02:23:37.000 We've had our differences and still might not...

02:23:39.000 He still has me blocked on Instagram and Twitter.

02:23:41.000 Does he?

02:23:41.000 Oh, man.

02:23:42.000 No!

02:23:42.000 He went and talked shit on my wife's photo and then blocked me.

02:23:47.000 I'm like, this motherfucker.

02:23:48.000 Oh, my God.

02:23:49.000 Tell him about when you were doing the...

02:23:51.000 You were going to do an interview.

02:23:53.000 Straight up.

02:23:53.000 I'm like, you blocked me?

02:23:54.000 And Cody was trying to be cool to him doing some interview and Dom was trying to needle Cody and Cody was like...

02:24:02.000 I didn't even know what was going on, what was happening.

02:24:04.000 I was doing the Fox for the Ultimate Fighter and it was obviously Karen Bryant asked about me grabbing TJ by his throat.

02:24:10.000 I'm like, yeah, he goes.

02:24:11.000 And me and Dominic got into an altercation at weigh-ins at 207. I literally come out, I've just weighed in, I had my hands full with all the paperwork bullshit they give us and George gave me all these waters and refuel stuff.

02:24:23.000 So I come out of the door and I cross paths with Dominic who I didn't know didn't even register with him but at my peripheral I catch something and I kind of like turn back around and he was like had these chick sunglasses on like these big chick sunglasses yeah and his hood up and he was like get out of you skinny little motherfucker and I was like Well,

02:24:41.000 I was like, dude, we're fighting tomorrow, man.

02:24:42.000 I was like, it's so good.

02:24:43.000 I was just laughing, like, really?

02:24:44.000 Like, he wants to do it now?

02:24:46.000 But it was the first time we saw each other.

02:24:48.000 And the day before, we were in this split room, this much, and we're talking shit to each other on a camera.

02:24:53.000 I'm like, we can't do, like, sit down, obviously, like that.

02:24:56.000 And he has Jeremy Stevens in there.

02:24:57.000 Right.

02:24:58.000 And I'm like, man, you got...

02:24:59.000 And Stevens is like, yeah, little boy, like, talking, like, just riding off Dom's hype, or off Dom.

02:25:04.000 Like, he brought in a self-proclaimed...

02:25:07.000 Savage and Jeremy Stevens, the counterbalance that I was portraying to be a savage.

02:25:12.000 That's what he kept saying.

02:25:13.000 I was like, I'll come over and smack both of you guys right now.

02:25:15.000 I took my earpiece off, I ran through the security, and then he was saying I was throwing shit.

02:25:21.000 It is the whole buildup.

02:25:22.000 So we finally saw each other.

02:25:23.000 And I was like, man, I was like, be in your ass tomorrow, like, walking off, like, I'm just hiding.

02:25:27.000 And I see Jeremy Stevens right out here.

02:25:30.000 He's like, all puffed up.

02:25:31.000 He's like, you're too small, little dude.

02:25:33.000 He's like, give me one of your teammates.

02:25:34.000 And I was like, dropped all my shit and get ready to hit him like that.

02:25:38.000 And Ali, my manager, comes out of nowhere, swoops Jeremy up.

02:25:41.000 But he grabbed me, like, he, like, scratched my neck, had a big old scratch on it from his nail, his little bitch nail.

02:25:47.000 And, like...

02:25:48.000 So it was that, and then that whole conflict.

02:25:52.000 So he gets on Skype, or not Skype, Fox Sports.

02:25:55.000 Cody's about to do an interview on Skype.

02:25:56.000 Interview about the situation of tough.

02:25:58.000 Karen Bryant asked that, and he goes, he's like, he's just a little dick.

02:26:02.000 You know, he just, you know, whatever.

02:26:04.000 Respect him for what he did, because he knows that.

02:26:07.000 I always said that.

02:26:08.000 He knew what he had to do in that media for people not to hate him.

02:26:11.000 You know, look how Connor and...

02:26:13.000 And Rousey, sometimes a little change a little bit after he lost.

02:26:15.000 He took us humble pie and, hey, respect him for that.

02:26:18.000 But I knew deep down that it wasn't all the cherries.

02:26:20.000 He's got some turmoil in there.

02:26:22.000 Exactly.

02:26:23.000 It has to be.

02:26:23.000 I danced all over his ass.

02:26:25.000 You know what I mean?

02:26:26.000 He's a great fighter.

02:26:26.000 I embarrassed him.

02:26:28.000 Be honest.

02:26:29.000 How did it really go?

02:26:31.000 Oh, so I come on and I'm completely cool.

02:26:33.000 It's cool.

02:26:33.000 I respect him.

02:26:34.000 Like, hey, hats off.

02:26:35.000 Tough, tough dude.

02:26:36.000 We talked after.

02:26:37.000 I was like, hey, that guy's tough.

02:26:38.000 Like, I've been pictured in this.

02:26:40.000 And we come on and he's like, hey, you're getting joined by Dominic.

02:26:43.000 I'm like, oh, cool.

02:26:44.000 Like, That's cool.

02:26:46.000 It has to be brief that we're professionals.

02:26:49.000 So he goes on about that.

02:26:51.000 He's like, yeah, you ever been choked up at weigh-ins?

02:26:53.000 And if so, what would you do?

02:26:55.000 And I'm really thinking about this.

02:26:56.000 I'm like, well, hopefully I'll be professional enough to keep my composure and know that I'm going to whoop this dude's ass tomorrow.

02:27:02.000 And he's like, huh.

02:27:03.000 Like, just being a smartass on there.

02:27:05.000 He's like, huh?

02:27:05.000 He's like, so you didn't mean to tell me you'd never been choked up and then it dawned on me.

02:27:09.000 And I was like, oh, are you talking about when you brought your self-proclaimed hype man in and scratched my neck with his little bitch nail?

02:27:15.000 And he's like, no, no.

02:27:16.000 And I was like, hey, Dominic.

02:27:17.000 I said, what happened in the fight?

02:27:18.000 I said, I danced around you and beat your ass and made you look like a fool.

02:27:22.000 I said, sit behind the desk and shut up.

02:27:23.000 And then it was like...

02:27:24.000 This doesn't go on Skype.

02:27:26.000 This is all just a private conversation.

02:27:28.000 Private conversation.

02:27:28.000 It goes black screen.

02:27:29.000 The producers come on.

02:27:30.000 We're like, we're sorry how Dominic was acting.

02:27:32.000 I'm like, dude, I don't mind coming on here and doing this shit.

02:27:35.000 But the first thing I said, hey, Dominic, how are you?

02:27:38.000 And I was like, oh, I was just waiting for Dominic to say hi.

02:27:40.000 And he started off and he goes, I don't gotta say hi to you.

02:27:42.000 I'm talking to you in a couple minutes.

02:27:43.000 And I was like, what a fucking bitch.

02:27:46.000 Well, you guys are probably gonna fight again if Dom stays in the game.

02:27:48.000 Yeah.

02:27:49.000 So we had to redo the whole situation again.

02:27:51.000 And he was just sitting there like, you know, because they were like, we're telling you.

02:27:54.000 I was like, man, that's cool.

02:27:56.000 So that's why I wanted the rematch with him.

02:27:58.000 So honestly, TJ should thank Dom for not taking the rematch and finally getting his shot.

02:28:04.000 So that's why after the fight I said, TJ, come try me.

02:28:06.000 What's Dom doing these days?

02:28:07.000 You know, I know he has plantar fasciitis.

02:28:09.000 He's got some serious issues with his feet because he came back real quick after the knee surgery and maybe pushed it a little too hard.

02:28:15.000 That's a tough one.

02:28:16.000 I mean, that's why his feet were all taped up.

02:28:19.000 He's doing a lot of commentary.

02:28:20.000 When you fought TJ. He's probably getting decent money for that.

02:28:23.000 I talked to his coach.

02:28:24.000 They're going to try to get...

02:28:25.000 Me and TJ wasn't scheduled.

02:28:28.000 But he was trying to fight on the same card or a roundabout.

02:28:31.000 So it keeps in the transition.

02:28:33.000 Who do you think would be a good fight for him to fight?

02:28:35.000 For Dominic?

02:28:36.000 That's a good question.

02:28:37.000 What about Rivera?

02:28:39.000 Very good fight.

02:28:40.000 That's a very good fight.

02:28:41.000 But I think...

02:28:41.000 Doesn't Jimmy have a fight?

02:28:44.000 He just fought.

02:28:45.000 He just beat the dude that you knocked out.

02:28:48.000 Oh, he fought Almeida.

02:28:49.000 That's right.

02:28:50.000 He beat Almeida.

02:28:51.000 I think he dropped him a couple times.

02:28:53.000 That was a good fight.

02:28:53.000 That was a very good fight.

02:28:55.000 That's right.

02:28:55.000 He beat Almeida, but I feel like he has another fight lined up.

02:28:58.000 Maybe I'm wrong.

02:28:58.000 Maybe it was that fight I'm thinking of.

02:29:02.000 The day before the fight, like hype before the fight is always so interesting, man.

02:29:05.000 See how people react.

02:29:06.000 See where their head's at.

02:29:07.000 Like when Conor came out with a hard-on against Floyd...

02:29:11.000 What is he doing?

02:29:12.000 Is he fucking wearing a rubber band around his dick and balls just to get it hard?

02:29:16.000 Or is he playing with himself before he gets out there?

02:29:19.000 A couple shakes before he gets on.

02:29:21.000 Because his fucking dick was half hard, but he's standing there.

02:29:23.000 Unless he has a giant hog, and that's just what it looks like when it's limp.

02:29:28.000 But it literally looked like it was half hard when he's standing there at the weigh-in.

02:29:32.000 I heard that that's something that happens.

02:29:36.000 I've seen a couple other guys.

02:29:37.000 I think Miguel...

02:29:38.000 Just staring at dicks at Wayans.

02:29:40.000 A couple other guys had that same thing.

02:29:42.000 I think it's like an involuntary thing that happens when you're hungry or something.

02:29:46.000 I don't know.

02:29:47.000 I'll tell you what, when I'm hungry and starving...

02:29:48.000 It's like a survival.

02:29:49.000 We have to get real creative on the physical anthropology of why you get a hard-up when you're about to get in a confrontation.

02:29:56.000 Maybe you're going to fight over a female out in the nature.

02:30:00.000 Maybe.

02:30:01.000 It was such a weird confrontation, too, with Connor screaming and yelling at him and Floyd just standing there.

02:30:07.000 Literally, like, not a worry in the world.

02:30:09.000 It was interesting how Floyd handled it.

02:30:11.000 He didn't have a worry in the world.

02:30:13.000 We're seeing that.

02:30:14.000 It's the guy who's composed.

02:30:17.000 He's so composed.

02:30:18.000 50-0, man.

02:30:19.000 50-0.

02:30:20.000 I'd say that he was the only guy to ever reach that and break that record, but apparently there was some other guy that had fought in a really light weight that made 51-0.

02:30:30.000 Oh, really?

02:30:31.000 Yeah, that I didn't even know.

02:30:32.000 I always thought that Rocky Marciano was the record.

02:30:34.000 Oh, Rocky Marciano.

02:30:35.000 I always thought that was the record.

02:30:37.000 What about Chavez?

02:30:38.000 Wasn't he like up there before he got defeated?

02:30:40.000 It's a good question, but he didn't retire with it.

02:30:42.000 He didn't retire and defeat it, right?

02:30:44.000 I wonder.

02:30:44.000 I think it was like six years.

02:30:45.000 Yeah, Ricardo Lopez.

02:30:46.000 Yeah, he was an Adam weight, I think.

02:30:49.000 What weight was he?

02:30:50.000 Does it say?

02:30:51.000 21. Light flyweight, yeah.

02:30:54.000 What is that?

02:30:54.000 What is light flyweight?

02:30:56.000 Minimum weight.

02:30:57.000 Jesus, minimum weight.

02:30:58.000 What the fuck is minimum weight?

02:31:00.000 But Ricardo Lopez, I believe he retired at 51-0.

02:31:05.000 Oh, he retired.

02:31:06.000 Somewhere around that range, does it say?

02:31:11.000 Yeah.

02:31:12.000 Oh, we had a draw.

02:31:12.000 51 wins, zero losses in one draw.

02:31:15.000 Okay.

02:31:15.000 The one draw.

02:31:16.000 Yeah, the one draw.

02:31:17.000 It's so funny.

02:31:18.000 People worry about that shit.

02:31:19.000 It's so weird.

02:31:20.000 Oh, man.

02:31:21.000 That's one thing about MMA fighters as opposed to boxers.

02:31:24.000 Like with a boxer, it was always undefeated record.

02:31:27.000 That's such a big selling point in the culture.

02:31:30.000 But he has three draws.

02:31:31.000 I mean, I guess it makes sense, though, because, I mean, you're trying to make a case that no one could, you know...

02:31:37.000 Sure.

02:31:37.000 There's something intriguing about something that no one could ever beat this person.

02:31:41.000 But the difference between MMA and boxing, though, is in MMA you're tested way more on your way up to the title.

02:31:46.000 And you're fighting world-class fighters pretty quickly as soon as you start getting...

02:31:50.000 Zero, yeah.

02:31:50.000 Whereas in boxing, you're taken care of, and your record gets padded, and you're slowly worked up to a world-class fighter if you have a good manager.

02:31:58.000 Maybe 15 to 20 fights, and you're trying to...

02:32:01.000 We're good to start fighting some okay people, especially when you're getting pushed.

02:32:05.000 Do you think that's the way to do it?

02:32:07.000 No.

02:32:08.000 With those guys, no.

02:32:09.000 Because a lot of those boxers have had three, four hundred amateur fights where they fought.

02:32:13.000 They don't need groomed into that.

02:32:15.000 Maybe to get out of the shoe-shining amateur style, but amateur style is switching with the headgear getting taken away.

02:32:22.000 It's set up in the point system how it's changing.

02:32:24.000 Yeah.

02:32:25.000 With the Olympics, you know, taking the headgear off and how they're changing all that.

02:32:29.000 So they're becoming more professional, setting stuff up, not that, you know, pitter-patter shit, shoeshine.

02:32:35.000 You know, that's how it's been.

02:32:37.000 But I don't think they need to be like that.

02:32:39.000 But I think in boxing, there's huge records.

02:32:41.000 Like, oh, you know, he's 37-0, it's 28 knockouts.

02:32:45.000 It's a weird gig.

02:32:45.000 I mean...

02:32:47.000 I guess the difference with the UFC is UFC's always had a reputation of putting the best fighters against the best fighters.

02:32:56.000 Yeah.

02:32:56.000 Which I think has gone away a little bit.

02:32:58.000 I mean, they still make sure you got tested.

02:33:00.000 Do you think it's gone away?

02:33:01.000 I don't think it's gone away.

02:33:02.000 I think what they try to do is have even matchups.

02:33:05.000 Because there's...

02:33:06.000 Like a...

02:33:07.000 But Ricci and Alvarez, for example, they just want to see that fight.

02:33:15.000 They're both very tough guys that could be champion.

02:33:18.000 You mean Gaethje and Alvarez?

02:33:20.000 Yeah, but they want to see matchups.

02:33:22.000 But they do that all the way down.

02:33:24.000 They're not trying to set up mismatches.

02:33:29.000 They're trying to get it more evenly matched.

02:33:31.000 But that doesn't mean that there aren't guys that they could set up with mismatches within the...

02:33:35.000 Within the thing.

02:33:36.000 Well, you rarely see a guy get a tune-up fight.

02:33:38.000 Where in boxing, it's a big deal.

02:33:41.000 Like, boxing, guys get tune-up fights, and you even call them a tune-up fight.

02:33:45.000 Like, it's getting a tune-up fight before the big match.

02:33:47.000 Yeah.

02:33:48.000 You know, and they go in there and they fight a guy that's not expected to win, and then they get set up for the next fight.

02:33:54.000 But it tunes them up, gets them sharp, and then they have the world championship fight.

02:33:57.000 I mean, that happens to get into the UFC a lot, though.

02:33:59.000 Yeah.

02:34:00.000 A lot.

02:34:01.000 For me, I have over half of my professional fights are in the UFC. I got signed a 5-0.

02:34:08.000 Half of my fights have been in the UFC. UFC is obviously the primary organization with the toughest fighters.

02:34:14.000 It's not even close, but it's getting close now.

02:34:17.000 You know, when you look at what Bellator is doing, right now, UFC is always going to be the top of the food chain.

02:34:22.000 It's always like the premier organization as far as the public knows.

02:34:25.000 But as far as the quality of talent, Bellator at least finally has Rory McDonald.

02:34:31.000 You know, they finally have...

02:34:33.000 They're growing their own homegrown talent also.

02:34:35.000 They are as well.

02:34:36.000 Yeah, you're right.

02:34:37.000 But, I mean, getting, you know, Gayhard Mousasi, world-class guys.

02:34:42.000 Legitimately.

02:34:43.000 With pay.

02:34:43.000 Yeah.

02:34:44.000 I mean, Rory has a victory over Tyron Woodley and a victory over Damon Maia.

02:34:47.000 So he had a victory over the one and number two guys.

02:34:50.000 It's interesting you just mentioned Rory.

02:34:52.000 We can go back to what we were talking about with training.

02:34:54.000 Rory, I mean, that's a guy...

02:34:58.000 He's a strange character.

02:35:00.000 I wonder what's his motivation for fighting and what started him, etc.

02:35:04.000 I saw him do an interview about his training.

02:35:09.000 I talked about coaches making you do shit and you're just like, do whatever the coach says.

02:35:14.000 He was like, look, I've been doing what all the coaches say.

02:35:17.000 He's like, I keep getting hurt.

02:35:18.000 I keep doing this and that.

02:35:19.000 He goes, I'm going to take things into my own hands a little bit more.

02:35:23.000 He's the guy that did that, but he's having a lot of friggin' success, too.

02:35:26.000 Dude, he looked like a fuckin' world killer when he beat Paul Daley.

02:35:30.000 He looked perfect.

02:35:31.000 Paul Daley's a savage, too, man.

02:35:33.000 He is.

02:35:34.000 That's gonna be an interesting fight.

02:35:35.000 Paul Daley and Lorenz Larkin.

02:35:37.000 Oh, yeah.

02:35:38.000 Explosive, dude.

02:35:39.000 That was a crazy fight.

02:35:40.000 I like Larkin's style.

02:35:41.000 Super skillful.

02:35:44.000 Larkin's no longer in the UFC? Nope.

02:35:46.000 Lorenz Larkin just fought Douglas Lima for the title.

02:35:49.000 He lost a five round decision.

02:35:51.000 Very close fight.

02:35:52.000 Very good fight.

02:35:53.000 Douglas Lima's another one.

02:35:54.000 That guy's world class.

02:35:55.000 I mean, he's right up there with anybody in the world at 170 in my opinion.

02:35:59.000 Yeah, he's been around for a while too.

02:36:01.000 Yeah.

02:36:01.000 You know what pisses me off is Ben Askren still fighting over in one FC. Like, Jesus Christ.

02:36:07.000 I am the number one guy saying...

02:36:09.000 He just retired.

02:36:09.000 Yeah, he's out of his retirement fight.

02:36:11.000 That's it.

02:36:12.000 It drives me crazy.

02:36:13.000 He should have been in the UFC a long time ago.

02:36:15.000 I always wanted to see that guy fight in the UFC. He just pissed off Dana and his style was weird, right?

02:36:19.000 The style was weird, that's one thing, but pissing off Dana was ultimately the end of it all.

02:36:23.000 He was talking some serious shit on Dana.

02:36:26.000 I can't help it!

02:36:28.000 Dana's like...

02:36:30.000 Yeah, it's too bad.

02:36:31.000 Now, fuck you, get out of here.

02:36:31.000 It's too bad, really.

02:36:33.000 Too bad.

02:36:33.000 How he mixed up with those guys?

02:36:35.000 Fuck yeah.

02:36:35.000 I would have loved to see that guy fight the best in the world in the UFC. You know, and we'll never know now.

02:36:41.000 It's really unfortunate.

02:36:42.000 Yeah.

02:36:42.000 He made some decent money over there in UFC. I hope he did.

02:36:45.000 I hope he did.

02:36:46.000 He's just a fucking phenomenal grappler, man.

02:36:48.000 I mean, here's a perfect example.

02:36:50.000 That guy destroyed Larkin on the ground.

02:36:53.000 Or it's not Larkin, Lima.

02:36:54.000 Destroyed him on the ground.

02:36:56.000 Destroyed Korshkov on the ground.

02:36:58.000 Manhandled those dudes.

02:36:59.000 Got ahold of those guys.

02:37:00.000 It was ragdolling fools.

02:37:01.000 Just throwing them around.

02:37:02.000 That unorthodox, weird wrestling style.

02:37:06.000 I wanted to see him fight the best guys.

02:37:09.000 You know who he would have been a terrible matchup for?

02:37:12.000 It was George St. Pierre.

02:37:14.000 That was interesting.

02:37:15.000 Because George always, you know, he starts hitting his nice little shots, but he always ends up getting the nice takedown.

02:37:21.000 But what's he going to do in grappling against Asker?

02:37:23.000 That would have been a good one.

02:37:24.000 That's the one I always wanted to see, too.

02:37:26.000 Well, you know, that got him in trouble with Johnny Hendricks, right?

02:37:29.000 But Johnny Hendricks was a different Johnny Hendricks back then.

02:37:31.000 Yeah.

02:37:31.000 It's interesting.

02:37:32.000 Previous auto.

02:37:35.000 Dude, you saw this...

02:37:36.000 You saw this changing lives, bro.

02:37:40.000 That's one of the things that makes me want to get back into it is now that USADA is in there.

02:37:44.000 I still have USADA test me just in case there's an opportunity that pops up.

02:37:48.000 Do you really?

02:37:48.000 Yeah, they pop in all the time.

02:37:50.000 You look like you weigh about $1.60 right now.

02:37:52.000 What do you weigh?

02:37:53.000 $1.60.

02:37:53.000 Do you think you could get down to 135?

02:37:55.000 Fuck up anyone in the world?

02:37:57.000 Absolutely!

02:37:58.000 He's still got it in there!

02:38:01.000 He'll come in and he does practices with us and teaches shit.

02:38:04.000 We'll always give him a hard time.

02:38:05.000 He's still got it.

02:38:08.000 Do you think that you're retired or are you kind of retired?

02:38:12.000 Mostly retired.

02:38:13.000 I'm retired.

02:38:14.000 I'm definitely retired, but I'm not...

02:38:17.000 First off, I love to fight.

02:38:19.000 That's the hard thing about retiring is it takes so much time, energy, and there's so much to learn that I'm definitely a better fighter When I retired than I was when I was in my prime, even.

02:38:32.000 Starting, yeah.

02:38:33.000 As far as skill set goes.

02:38:34.000 Right.

02:38:35.000 But there's a lot of skilled guys out there, and it's just a focus thing and a motivation thing.

02:38:41.000 So you wish that USADA was there your entire career?

02:38:43.000 Oh, God.

02:38:44.000 Are you kidding me?

02:38:46.000 Hell, yes.

02:38:46.000 Did you ever feel any temptation when you knew that so many guys were using shit?

02:38:49.000 Dude, I had...

02:38:52.000 A couple people sit down and try to talk me into it before.

02:38:55.000 What did they try to talk you into?

02:38:56.000 Just like, hey, you know, like, everybody's doing it.

02:39:00.000 A little bit of this.

02:39:00.000 A little bit of that.

02:39:01.000 A little EPO. Some dick pills.

02:39:04.000 Everybody's doing it.

02:39:06.000 Somebody had talked to me about it, and I had a coach a long time ago that was like, hey, everybody...

02:39:11.000 And I'm like, no, I don't think so.

02:39:13.000 I take a lot of pride in the fact that I had my career...

02:39:18.000 I'm oblivious.

02:39:21.000 When you're not in the circle, you're definitely not in the circle.

02:39:24.000 Yeah, they don't tell you about what they're doing.

02:39:26.000 They don't want to tell you everything else.

02:39:28.000 I take a lot of pride in the fact that I teach to my guys.

02:39:34.000 That's one of the conversations I had with Cody.

02:39:36.000 I'm like, bro...

02:39:38.000 No, we don't need any of that shit, dude.

02:39:40.000 That's all mental.

02:39:41.000 It's a mental thing.

02:39:42.000 The problem is, the difference is, when you have someone that's strong mentally, that is like a scientist on himself, and also has all the attributes, then it matters, right?

02:39:51.000 Right.

02:39:51.000 When you get a guy who's a world-class fighter, and then on top of that, he takes some shit.

02:39:56.000 That's the mentality, right?

02:39:58.000 That everybody's doing it mentality is what allows champions to do it as well.

02:40:02.000 Right.

02:40:03.000 This champion never did it.

02:40:04.000 Congratulations.

02:40:05.000 Thanks.

02:40:05.000 Beautiful.

02:40:07.000 Alright, gents, let's wrap this bitch up.

02:40:09.000 Let's do it.

02:40:09.000 Good luck, man.

02:40:10.000 Can't wait to see you.

02:40:11.000 Madison Square Garden.

02:40:12.000 That's November...

02:40:13.000 4th.

02:40:14.000 November 4th.

02:40:14.000 It's a big fucking venue.

02:40:16.000 Huge fight.

02:40:16.000 This is a historic venue, man.

02:40:18.000 That's going to be amazing.

02:40:19.000 Fireworks.

02:40:19.000 Uriah Faber.

02:40:20.000 Uriah Faber's Ultimate Fitness.

02:40:22.000 Sacramento, California.

02:40:23.000 Uriah Faber on Twitter and Instagram.

02:40:27.000 And Cody, you're on Twitter and Instagram and all that shit, too.

02:40:32.000 Thank you, gentlemen.

02:40:33.000 It was a lot of fun.

02:40:33.000 I appreciate it.

02:40:34.000 Thank you.

02:40:34.000 All right.

02:40:35.000 See you guys.

The Joe Rogan Experience - September 05, 2017

Joe Rogan Experience #1008 - Cody Garbrandt & Urijah Faber

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