In this episode, we talk about our epic elk hunt in the mountains of Utah. We talk about the elk hunting experience and how amazing it was. We also talk about how we got some amazing footage from the hunt and why we are so thankful we got the chance to film it. Thanks to everyone for all of your support, stay tuned for a new episode coming soon! -The Dad's Club Podcast Team Hosts: & This episode is brought to you by Under Armour. If you like what you hear, please HIT SUBSCRIBE on Apple Podcasts or wherever else you get your stuff. Thanks for listening and Happy hunting! -Jon Sorrentino Don't Tell Mom: e-mail us what you thought of this episode and we'll get back to you with more episodes in the future! Timestamps: 1:00 - What was your favorite part of the hunt? 2:30 - What is your favorite thing about hunting? 3:15 - How did you feel about the hunting experience? 4:40 - What did you think of the hunting trip? 5:00 6:00 What was the biggest challenge you've ever had? 7:00 Do you have a favorite hunting film? 8:00 Is there anything you'd like to see someone else do in the next episode? 9:20 - What would you want to see me do next? 11:10: What are you looking forward to? 12: What do you think about? 13:00 How do you're going to do next in your next hunting movie? 15: What's your favorite hunting experience 16:00 Would you want me do? 17:30 What kind of thing? 18: What s your biggest challenge? 19:00 Can you give me a shot of the next hunting film you re going to be doing next week? 21:00 Why are you most excited about the next one? 22:30 23:30 Do you think I'm going to go back to do it again? 26: Is there something you're most important to you? 27:00 Who do you need to do more? ? 24: What would your biggest piece of equipment you're looking for? 25:30 Can I get a better shot of what you're not getting any more of?
00:00:48.000I mean, but especially the scenery, just the mountains that they live in there, they're rugged, they're beautiful, and, you know, the Quakies haven't even turned yet.
00:01:18.000Everywhere we look, it was just like...
00:01:21.000There was too many moments with Elk that I couldn't film because I was just so engrossed in the idea of getting it done and the hunting aspect of it that I didn't want to pull my phone out and be taking pictures every five minutes.
00:01:35.000Yeah, I took a few here and there, but there were so many moments that I'm so glad that Under Armour filmed this whole thing.
00:01:42.000So we're going to have a film of it that's going to be released online, so people are going to get it.
00:01:46.000A chance to check out how just incredible and epic and maybe just get a tiny sense of what we talk about when we talk about how amazing it is to do this.
00:01:55.000Yeah, and we had the right guys filming it because, you know, there's all sorts of different levels of especially hunting films.
00:02:01.000I mean, there's guys out there just with a handy cam, you know, just trying to do the best they can to share their experience.
00:02:07.000And then there's guys like Mark Womack and his crew with Sub7 that make films.
00:02:33.000Well, it's a short film and it's really almost like a mini-documentary of how you're trying to balance your life and training and running and competing in these ultra-marathons and then also working a full-time job and then also going out and bowhunting.
00:02:57.000Yeah, and like you said, hopefully gives a glimpse for people that haven't experienced it or aren't hunters maybe, just to see everything that's involved in the hunt and how powerful it is and just the wild animals out there interacting with each other and then how we fit in that formula.
00:03:19.000It's one of those things that I really think our words, like people will be intrigued by the words, but I don't think we're ever going to be able to put it in their head, what we experienced.
00:03:31.000Because there was one point in time where Jameson and Colton and I were together in the woods, and I just stopped, and as we were walking towards this elk that was screaming, and there was a screaming elk all around us, and you hear these cow elk that are making this meow.
00:06:24.000And so he takes all of his cows and he moves them over the top of the hill.
00:06:28.000And when he moved him over the top of the hill, We went after him, and when we went after him, he turned around because he thought we were that other bull.
00:09:13.000I mean, it's unlike anything I've ever heard, and I've elk hunted a lot of different places, and that's the...
00:09:19.000You know, if you, and I said, if you're an elk hunter, I said one morning, I think it was the morning that it was snowing and we were in on bulls, you know, crazy rut activity, amazing footage, cold, wet, elk hunting.
00:09:33.000And I'd said, told Mark and the guy said, if you're an elk hunter, this is as good as it gets.
00:11:51.000The market hunters essentially almost wiped out the elk.
00:11:56.000And at the turn of the century, there were very few elk, very few deer, and then they had established some protocols and some wildlife conservation ideas in place in order to try to revive them.
00:12:07.000They've done an amazing job since then.
00:12:10.000Foundations like the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, what they've done is move elk into areas where they had been extirpated.
00:12:17.000So they had been driven out of the area, essentially extinct in this one particular region.
00:12:24.000And now they have healthy populations.
00:12:35.000We talk about this every time about hunters and conservation and the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, but those are the groups that have fought to protect elk and elk habitat, and that's why they're doing so well.
00:12:48.000So I think, in fact, here's a gratuitous crotch shot.
00:13:08.000And then obviously there's companies or other foundations that have done an amazing job for waterfowl, protecting wetlands, and then for whitetails.
00:13:18.000I mean, there's more whitetail deer in America today than they were when Columbus came.
00:13:24.000Is whitetail, too, because they're in eastern, southern U.S., you know, where elk are mostly out west, but they are, you know, moving back east again.
00:13:32.000But, yeah, most hunters are whitetail hunters, and that animal's doing amazing.
00:13:37.000Yeah, I mean, so amazing so that they actually have to hire people to kill them in some places where they get too close to urban environments and they have a ton of car accidents.
00:16:01.000People get super emotional about this.
00:16:03.000This is one of those subjects where whenever we're talking about hunting, like there's one way that we normally talk about it when it's just like you and I or maybe some other hunters where we talk about how great it is, how much we love it, how great the meat is.
00:16:17.000And then there's a way that you talk about it in public where you have to sort of temper that knowing there's a bunch of people that are listening that That are going to get very emotional, that are maybe anti-hunters, and some of them where it gets really weird also eat meat.
00:16:35.000I read the comments on social media and it's like, you tell me don't read them, but I think you do too.
00:16:40.000But anyway, and it's just some people, it's like, I saw one today and I think you mentioned that I was going to be on.
00:16:47.000Somebody said something like, Joe, for his whatever, I can't remember, intelligent or in tune or something you are, I can't believe you hunt, you know, or can't, whatever.
00:16:58.000It's just like, Check that dude's Instagram for a cheeseburger.
00:17:02.000Check to see if he's got a cat that he's feeding murdered animals to.
00:17:05.000To me, I think if you are in tune with actually how the world and nature and how we live and what we need, the more in tune you are, the more accepting you are of hunting.
00:17:17.000Not the more you slight it, because it's how it works.
00:17:24.000It's, you know, life eats life, and it's just like, it seems weird for people to think that, oh, I'm evolved past that, and I'm smarter, more intelligent, and you're a Neanderthal.
00:18:54.000Maybe it was paralyzed and it laid there and it took days to die.
00:18:59.000But a hunter, and the term I like to use is being merciful.
00:19:04.000I want to be ethical, Quick and merciful when I kill an animal because that's a hundred percent the opposite of how nature works Well, this is one thing that you have said to me in private when we've talked about it You know we were saying that what you train for and what you strive for is so that in that moment You can make the most precise shot and kill that animal as quickly and as ethically and as efficiently as possible And that that's how that's on your mind every time you release an arrow every time Yeah,
00:19:41.000If you haven't hunted and you haven't been in the mountains and you haven't seen how cruel nature can actually be, it's hard to comprehend.
00:20:11.000That biologists believe that our brains evolved past that of lower primates, is that we figured out fire, we figured out how to cook meat, and the nutrients from that cooking meat along with the complex problem-solving issues that come up in hunting are one of the reasons why we evolved.
00:20:28.000Because to be smarter and more clever than these animals that are faster than you, smell better than you, hear better than you, see better than you, stronger than you, They have more endurance in you.
00:20:37.000These elk run up that mountain like it's a joke.
00:21:16.000So for a human at one point in our evolutionary past to figure out how to beat these things at their own game, trick them and get meat from them and survive and then develop strategies for that and then teach other people in their community these strategies and this evolved and this This is the reason why you and I are talking today on microphones that are powered by electricity,
00:21:38.000that in this room, that shelter in this city, this complex series of buildings that we've built a lot to protect us from the environment and from other animals.
00:23:07.000That learning curve for hunting is so steep.
00:23:10.000It's like sometimes people, you know, because of how we've talked and, you know, the stories we've shared on social media, it looks intriguing.
00:23:45.000Listen, I've been doing this for almost 30 years now.
00:23:48.0001989, I killed my first bull elk as a spike bull.
00:23:52.000And so since 1989, so this is 29 years of bow hunting, and I go into this season Just like I go into every season and I wonder, is this going to be the season where I have no success?
00:24:24.000So I always wonder, is this going to be the year where I can't get it done?
00:24:27.000And it completely changes your relationship to your food because all your meat that you're getting in your house is coming from your success bow hunting.
00:24:35.000So when you are entering into a season and you're wondering whether or not you're going to get success, you're literally worrying whether or not you're going to be able to provide for your family the way you have been And it's not like we're starving.
00:26:32.000And if you go back and look at the real studies, The only thing that they've shown is there's a connection between cancer and processed food.
00:26:40.000There is a connection between preservatives, nitrites, and a lot of the things that we use to make processed meat.
00:26:47.000So if you're talking about things like hot dogs and processed meats and, you know, kind of like beef sticks that you might get at the gas station, yeah.
00:26:56.000Eat enough of those and your body's going to revolt.
00:27:36.000What they are is proselytizing vegans.
00:27:38.000They're vegans who want everyone to become vegan, so they're distorting truth in making documentaries that have no basis in actual reality and science.
00:27:47.000And if you just Google, like, what was the most recent one those guys did?
00:28:41.000So if you're eating any of those things or doing any of those things and you say, good luck with your heart attack, Fuck off, because you don't know what you're talking about.
00:29:06.000People always say, there's cattle ranchers out there that work hard, that do it right.
00:29:11.000And there is factory farming, which people, I feel like almost...
00:29:16.000I've been guilty of it, maybe, throwing around factory farming, almost like a vegan will throw around, good luck with that heart attack.
00:29:22.000And there's a lot of ranches that do it right, that have the cattle out there free-ranging, and the only time that they're in a small enclosure is when they are killed.
00:29:34.000So, I mean, I buy steaks still occasionally from my buddy at E3. There's plenty of places that have, I don't know, if you're going to look at...
00:29:49.000I agree and the same thing can be said with chicken and same thing you'd say with Poultry with turkey.
00:29:55.000There's a lot of free-range and there's more of an emphasis I think that's one of the reasons why people become more and more interested in hunting today.
00:30:03.000Yeah Well, but people are more concerned with the ethics behind how their food is raised.
00:30:10.000You know, there's a lot of farm-to-table restaurants that are opening up, which are really amazing.
00:30:14.000You can go, and you can, you know, and there's a place near me, and you get these eggs, and they're dark yolks, like a dark orange yolk at this restaurant, and they have, like, grass-fed beef that tastes healthy.
00:30:28.000And that's the stuff we're supposed to be eating.
00:30:30.000We've gotten into this crazy situation as human beings where we're getting food that is in a lot of ways tasteless because it's been engineered to last forever on a shelf.
00:30:43.000We've gotten this meat that's gotten super fat because they're pumping them up with antibiotics and feeding them grain until they, you know, just become these fat unhealthy things that are in no way resemble a wild creature.
00:30:56.000Well, we had a steak last night at the airport.
00:31:24.000You remember maybe several blown stalks where the wind shifted on you and the elk spooked and took off and how difficult it is and the intense success.
00:31:34.000And that's another thing that people don't like, the idea of the happiness that comes with success when you kill something.
00:31:57.000Great difficulty, when that animal's dead, and then you're skinning it, you're cutting the meat off.
00:32:03.000I mean, you know, I took out the tenderloins of the bull I killed, you know, and smelled it, made sure the meat, always just making sure, because that is the fruit of the labor right there, is that meat.
00:32:16.000So, you're holding a big slab of steak.
00:32:22.000And like you said, you remember everything, but mostly what I'm thinking of there is how clean it is, how pure it is, does it smell good, smells perfect, and that's just kind of the process.
00:32:31.000It goes in the meat bag, it goes on my back, it comes off the mountain, it goes in the cooler, it goes to the processor, it gets cut and frozen and wrapped, and then I cook it.
00:32:53.000And that's a weird place that we've gotten into as human beings.
00:32:57.000And then hunters are judged negatively for having just that whole emotional thing and all the meaning and the feeling and the connection to it.
00:33:23.000You have no idea who did the actual killing of the cow.
00:33:28.000When you go to the woods, and you come out with an elk steak, and you kill it, and you're wearing a Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation belt buckle, and you're Cam Haines, like, people can look to you.
00:33:45.000If someone was outside protesting you, like they found out we're doing this podcast, and you're like, you son of a bitch, we're the ones who put out the petition, we want to get you banned from Under Armour, you're a terrible person, you're a trophy hunter, you're out there killing animals.
00:34:59.000But there's a people in the middle that we have, they have heard and they have thought about it and they have You know realize that does make it actually makes sense and those are the people that Want to know what it'd be like to be a provider for themselves to go to go into the mountains and and to come Loaded loaded out with you know a pack full of meat and so those are the people I guess we're talking to we're never gonna get the extreme people No,
00:35:25.000I mean and that's always going to be the case with all arguments There's always going to be radical people on all sides, you know, and I think Our job as human beings, communicating to other human beings, is to try to relay our own experiences as clear and as honest as possible.
00:35:43.000And that's why I always try to look at it from the other point of view.
00:35:46.000I always try to look at it from people that I think are good people that become vegans because they're good people, because they want to have no cruelty.
00:35:59.000And that perspective is I've actually been involved.
00:36:04.000I've gone through the ritual of the hunting.
00:36:08.000I've gone through the trials and tribulations of hiking many, many miles and trying to find these things and trying to figure out the wind.
00:36:53.000I just it took me I started like I said in 1989 it took me to 1996 to kill my first six point bull elk in the wilderness and it would have been we wouldn't even have looked at it on this last time it would have been like ah there's a little bull I mean but when I when I got that six point bull elk I felt so proud I'd finally achieved I mean that's that's the bull on this buckle right here is a six point and I thought I finally did it But in between
00:37:23.000there had been so many disappointments and devastations and in the wilderness.
00:37:29.000I remember one time I'd been in there by myself.
00:38:37.000So that was nothing, essentially nothing more than a flesh wound, but I remember sitting there looking at my arrow, looking at the little bit of blood on my broadhead, and, I mean, eyes welling up with tears, because Eight days just there but working all year towards that moment and having that opportunity at 43 yards and Being inches off because inches further to the right back would have been double long dead bull biggest bull ever all the hard work paid off to being devastated so
00:39:08.000people see the success Some 20 years later or whatever it's been they don't To feel as disappointed as I was.
00:39:18.000To wonder if all the work was worth it.
00:40:36.000You have to be immersed in a lifestyle to really understand it.
00:40:40.000A sport makes it seem like, you know, keeping score.
00:40:44.000Well, to me, it's a lot like jujitsu in that way, too, where if you talk to people who train in jujitsu a lot, they understand how difficult it is and they understand the struggle and they understand that in that struggle, like all struggles, I think people need struggle.
00:41:20.000I feel energized because of the experience.
00:41:23.000I feel energized because of the struggle.
00:41:25.000I feel energized because of how difficult it was to hike those mountains up and down and chasing those elk around and having things blow out and getting back to the lodge and being so tired that you could just barely eat your food and then I'm passing out almost like as I'm done eating.
00:41:41.000And then I crash and the alarm goes off at 5 o'clock in the morning and then you're out there in the dark doing it again.
00:41:59.000It's a discipline, but It's discipline like almost no other because it's not just a discipline It's a discipline that also sustains you and your family and it's a discipline that involves like real critical moments of life and death Like when I was drawing back on that bull and I'm looking at this bull through a very small window where I could shoot Between these two trees,
00:42:23.00032 yards away, and Colton, who was the guide, paused this bull.
00:42:45.000And to do it, and to do it successfully, and to have that elk die in seconds, and have that elk wander off 20 yards, like seeing it bleed out of both sides, knowing this is it.
00:42:54.000And this is probably, no, not probably, definitely.
00:42:58.000Unless he falls off a cliff, this is the cleanest, fastest death this thing is ever going to have.
00:48:52.000And, you know, that's what I grew up doing because I had no other option.
00:48:56.000I mean, I could hunt Oregon for $25 on an elk tag and hunt public land, and that's all I did for decades because that was the only option I have.
00:49:56.000We would go back to the lodge, and it was, you know, you and me and our buddy Ben O'Brien was there and was lots of laughs, and we were having a good time.
00:50:08.000We'd all eat dinner together and just shoot the shit.
00:50:12.000When you're in the woods and you're camping, you're still in the woods.
00:51:13.000It's like bowhunting defines who I am, who he is.
00:51:17.000But, you know, I know I've done seminars before and I've asked people, okay, if there's 100 or 200 people there, how many people have stayed out in the woods, in the mountains by themselves for one night?
00:52:53.000This other thing is this Nerfed out thing that we've sort of concocted as human beings.
00:52:59.000But the more time you spend in there, the more it reveals itself to you.
00:53:02.000And there's a weird, empty loneliness to true wilderness.
00:53:06.000Like when you're at the top of a mountain, and you don't have any cell signal, and you don't see a building anywhere as far as the eye can see.
00:53:14.000We're nowhere near city when we're out there.
00:53:17.000When you sit up there, and you look out, and you hear a coyote howl, and you see an eagle fly overhead, and you hear an elk bugle, there's nothing like it.
00:53:45.000You talk about how, you know, we got to LAX last night, and I'm just walking around going, and I don't 100% feel this way, but I'm like, I told you, I'm like, I hate people.
00:55:01.000If you go out there and you're some famous rock star or something like that, here's some guy who lives in a giant mansion and flies around in a private jet and you own an island, but you choke when you're going to shoot a bull and you shoot it in the dick and everybody knows you're a loser.
00:55:31.000If you can navigate, if you can see elk, if you can read blood, if you're blood trailing, you got woodsmanship, you can unravel a blood trail, you can start a fire.
00:55:46.000It doesn't matter about how much money you have or who you are.
00:55:50.000If you can't do any of that stuff, well, you're lower.
00:55:53.000To me, it was incredibly important to be able to perform during crunch time.
00:55:59.000Because I wanted the respect of the people that also do it.
00:56:03.000I wanted, and to get that, it was very important.
00:56:06.000To be able to, in that moment, and I spent so much time thinking about it, going over podcasts and All that Joel Turner stuff about target panic and about closed loop and open loop mind systems and how your brain functions under pressure and thinking about all these different things.
00:56:35.000When you're looking at a 900-pound forest horse with spears growing out of its head, and it's screaming, and there's one shot, you have one opportunity.
00:56:45.000And by the way, you only have one tag, and if you wound an animal, it's over.
00:56:50.000If you just shot it in the ankle and it starts bleeding, guess what?
00:58:47.000I never really understood until I hunted with you.
00:58:50.000Because when you would run up the top of a fucking hill, when an elk would go over the top, and you'd run up the hill, and I would just be struggling to go a quarter of the way, and I'd have to take a break, and then I'd go a little further and take a break, and you were over up there, and you weren't even out of breath.
00:59:05.000And then I thought about it, I'm like, okay, I get it.
00:59:26.000And, you know, I don't, for me personally, because I just feel like I'm okay at bow, I'm decent at bow hunting, and it's like, just the fact that I was even here one time seems surreal, but I just, I want to think, I don't know,
00:59:41.000I was thinking about this earlier, is because of bow hunting, I know people will say, because again, I read the comments, but...
01:01:46.000I mean, I was listening to Brian Barney's podcast, the Eastman Elevated podcast, where he took a couple of buddies, when I was actually cutting up meat today, I was listening to this, took a couple of buddies with him on a public land hunt in Montana.
01:01:58.000And they got into some elk, and it seemed like they had an amazing time.
01:03:35.000I go in there, it's me and a bunch of housewives, and they're kicking ass more than I am.
01:03:41.000I mean, I watch these ladies, and I watch their mental strength and fortitude while they're grueling their way through this 104 degree temperature, holding these poses.
01:03:51.000I'm watching the sweat pour off their face, and they're not complaining.
01:03:54.000They're just You don't get to know yourself without struggle.
01:04:06.000You don't get to know your boundaries unless you push them.
01:04:08.000You don't get to know who you are, really, unless you're tested.
01:04:12.000And there's too many weak pussies out there.
01:04:14.000And so those are the people that drive me crazy because everything you just said is so true, but there's so many people that would rather stand on the sidelines and say, oh, must be nice to be able to blah, blah, blah.
01:04:38.000When you were talking about running, you were involved, and someone was behind you, and they were running right on your tail, and you're like, oh, let's see how this works out for you.
01:04:48.000It's like, it's not even a cocky thing.
01:04:51.000It's like, there's no way a regular person is going to keep up with you in a race.
01:05:12.000While Cam is in the middle of bow hunting season, he takes a little bit of time off of this fucking insane preparation, which is good because it allows his body to heal, but he's going to compete in the Moab In October, that is 238 fucking miles.
01:06:51.000What's going to be tough about this race...
01:06:54.000Specifically is you see how there's no shade so that's what what we call that is it's exposed you're exposed the whole time to the Sun and That that looks at Candace right there.
01:07:30.000Keeping your skin covered as well as you can, keeping hydrated, keeping fueled up, that's just the name of the game.
01:07:38.000Now what shoes will you be running in?
01:07:41.000It'll be, you know, my Under Armour fat tires is what I'll be running in because that much pounding for that long, the cushion for my body is important and imperative, basically.
01:07:52.000And the fat tires, the Under Armour fat tires, how much different are they than the Under Armour fat tire hunting boots?
01:08:02.000Okay, so you get a good amount of cushioning and also a good amount of traction, right?
01:08:06.000Because basically the fat tires, the reason why they're named that way is because essentially the bottoms of them are like a BMX road racing mountain bike tire.
01:08:16.000Yeah, they had a mountain bike tire called Fat Tire.
01:11:28.000But it's just unusual for someone who's an endurance athlete who does like these long, you know, 200 plus mile races to actually be packing on a lot of muscle.
01:11:37.000It's one of the reasons why whenever someone would talk about UFC fighters not being able to make the weight or, you know, whatever, you know, complaints they have about not being able to make weight.
01:11:50.000Literally, you make your body eat itself to drop down.
01:11:54.000You were at 180 plus pounds before you started, and then when you went to run the Bigfoot 200, you were burning 3,000 calories and eating 2,000, right?
01:12:17.000Yeah, so when I went into that race, I was 160, what was I, 165, and I had been on 184, so I lost 19 pounds just at that calorie deficit and just...
01:14:48.000It's just all scar tissue holding that thing together?
01:14:50.000Let's see if they can find a video, Jamie.
01:14:52.000Because I've seen a video of him doing...
01:14:55.000David completed 2,588 pull-ups in 566 sets for a total of 4.6 pull-ups per set, 1,000 pull-ups in 2 hours, 48 minutes, and 2,000 pull-ups in 3,034 minutes.
01:15:10.000But at 13.5 hours in, he felt something in his wrist snap and was not able to go on.
01:15:15.000An x-ray at 10.30 confirmed a partial tear in his forearm.
01:15:52.000He believes that you should only, like, if you can do sets of more than five, that what you're doing is bodybuilding.
01:16:00.000And that you should do five with very clean technique, take a big break, and then do another five, and then just keep doing it for long periods of time.
01:16:07.000Like, ideally, maybe some people don't have the time to do those kinds of workouts, but he believes you should do, like, with five to ten minute rest in between workout sets, and just do a bunch of sets like that.
01:16:18.000And I've been doing that for a while now.
01:16:20.000And I feel less sore, less fatigue, I can do it more often, and I just feel like you make better progress that way.
01:16:28.000I think we have a lot of meathead ideas in our head of what you're supposed to do as far as working out, as far as going to failure all the time with heavy weights.
01:16:41.000No, but I will say everyone's different.
01:16:45.000Yeah, but here's the thing where I should have a caveat.
01:16:47.000If you're a powerlifter, I should shut the fuck up.
01:16:51.000Because if all you're trying to do is massive amounts of weight like a lot of these guys do, well then they're going to push their body quite a bit more than I am.
01:17:02.000I see guys all the time do things that most people would say you should never do.
01:17:10.000Nobody's going to say you should run a marathon every day.
01:17:13.000They're gonna say that's a good way to get injured and that's too much in your body.
01:17:17.000You're not you're not getting the most out of your body Nobody's like when I lift I try to do tons of reps, you know at least 20 reps per set But you're doing lighter weights.
01:17:26.000Yeah, you're not trying to go to failure with heavy weights Try to go to failure with everything if 20 doesn't get it then I'll do 40, you know, so it's but you know You're not trying to go to failure with like 305 for bench.
01:19:28.000There are some guys that do more than that.
01:19:31.000But anyway, this year, he came in and he, again, went ahead...
01:19:36.000Was ahead of course record pace and an ultramarathon term or maybe a running term in general is he blew up at mile 76 I think and had to drop.
01:20:33.000Have you ever tried a fat-based diet or a ketogenic diet?
01:20:37.000I don't know what you call it, but my buddies I've lived with back home, Nick Hammond and Eric McCormick, they both do bodybuilding competitions.
01:21:35.000It's interesting because I feel like it's very important to talk about that everybody's body is different.
01:21:41.000You know who's a great proponent of this is Rob Wolf.
01:21:44.000And one of the really interesting things about Rob Wolf is a scientist and a very, very smart guy when it comes to nutrition and health.
01:21:50.000Writes a lot of books about paleo diets.
01:21:52.000But one of the more interesting things that Rob does is he will eat the same thing as his wife And they'll both test themselves, test their blood, and he'll do it on video.
01:22:02.000And his wife is consistently more adaptive than he is.
01:23:46.000Yeah, that's one thing Nick told me the other day, because I was just like, we lifted, and I'm so weak.
01:23:53.000Weak, because I was running so much, right?
01:23:56.000And so we did just a few quick calculations and if you run a marathon a day at my weight it was and then just living because just living you're gonna burn 1700 calories a day for me then plus the 3300 or something that I'd burn when running a marathon so it was like 5000 calories and I was eating three.
01:24:23.000Yeah, so he said I needed to just ramp up the fats, you know, so I started hammering nuts, avocados, things like that, and I actually did, I was feeling better.
01:24:35.000Yeah, I think that's the big part of the ketogenic diet that people get wrong, is that your ketogenic diet is primarily fats, and then you have an adequate amount of protein, dependent upon how much activity you do, You obviously do a lot of activity you would need more Protein than most and I think you would also probably need more actual carbohydrates than most yeah and still stay in ketosis I think if that's probably one of the reasons why you were so tired and you felt weak but also I think This thing that you're doing,
01:25:58.000Well, I think that with the level of output that you're putting out and the amount of focus and dedication to these things, the amount of obsession to performing at a 200-plus mile race...
01:26:09.000Any whiny bullshit that you hear is just so much more magnified than what I hear.
01:26:33.000If I hear whiny stuff from a grown adult, I'm like, Jesus fucking Christ.
01:26:38.000We live in a world where if it's cold out, you press a button and it gets warm.
01:26:43.000We live in a world where water, the thing that keeps us alive that people struggle to find in most of the free world, comes out of a fucking, you have a lever in your sink, in every sink, in every bathroom where you can just drink fresh water.
01:27:08.000I pretty much don't listen to anybody except people who I know share my mindset about not just on running or whatever, just about on life.
01:27:16.000But that's why I'm just confused as to why you don't have a group of people that you're close to that are also ultra-marathon runners that you can compare notes with.
01:27:24.000There's not a lot of people that do those.
01:28:32.000In the South Eugene Hall of Fame, that high school there in Eugene.
01:28:37.000Anyway, so these coaches at where my daughter was doing pole vaulting, they said, you know, after a few different practices, they'd heard about, you know, her and me and who her grandpa was.
01:28:50.000And so he comes up and he's like, he goes, was your dad Bob Haynes?
01:28:56.000And he goes, Yeah, he was a legend around here because they went to high school together and now they've been coaching and he just said that everybody knew Bob Haynes and he could do things nobody else could do.
01:29:11.000I think where he would have had his success was in high jump and he could high jump 6'4", and what he did at that time was called the Western Roll.
01:29:20.000And so you just kind of roll over the bar and then he'd competed against Dick Fosbury and he invented the Fosbury flop.
01:29:27.000So you'd go with your back to the bar and then kick your legs over.
01:29:31.000And so they would compete and my dad earned a scholarship at Oregon for gymnastics and then Oregon State for track when they had track and ended up dropping out of both schools and They said that he could high jump 6'4",
01:29:51.000doing the western roll, and they said, well, we're going to teach you the Fosbury flop, and we should be able to add 8 to 12 inches onto your jump.
01:30:39.000Without the athletic talents maybe that he has, I might have the work ethic That might match a talent and that's what I've used to do ultras because basically that's just being tough I mean I think I think it's just grinding and and put in miles and training and Then getting where everybody else wants to quit and pushing through in the races So you don't like have a few friends like I know what was the woman's name that runs Candace you
01:31:10.000can just burn your friends with her and the in your friends with your brother Obviously who also runs ultra.
01:32:04.000And so it's the same course with the same goal is cover 100 miles in under 24 hours.
01:32:12.000So if you do that, you get the buckle and it says 100 miles one day.
01:32:16.000And that's like the gold medal for an ultra runner.
01:32:21.000So they have that same thing for horses and Gordon Ainsley was He was in the horse race his horse came up lame and he said well i'm going to finish it on my own on his on his feet jesus and so he did that and that's where western states endurance race or run began because it's like well let's just let's just do this on our feet what a animal that guy was right yeah and he still competes in the western states right now he's old how old is he but he can't break 20 he
01:32:51.000can't even break 30. so you can get a buckle 100 miles one day if you break 24. if you break 30 A cookie?
01:32:59.000No, you get a buckle just as Western States Endurance Run.
01:33:03.000But if you don't break 30, you get nothing.
01:34:32.000So you start at that race, and they always say, once you get into the canyon there, don't bomb downhill too fast, which is sort of early in the race.
01:34:41.000It's before mile 50. But if you bomb downhill too fast in the canyons, you'll blow your quads out.
01:39:21.000So I did 61 in 12, and then it took me...
01:39:25.000Took me 12 to get to 39, but I got 100 miles done, and it was, you know, wasn't trained up, wasn't ready, but had all these reasons, and I was running, thinking of all these excuses I could say, and I could say that I cramped up, and, you know, this is a good example of why you shouldn't What not,
01:39:45.000you know, push your body past his limit, and I could just get all these kudos for being smart, and everybody would just say, it's okay, you did great.
01:40:39.000Runners averaged 3.4 miles per hour during the course, while the 100-mile runners took a faster 4.5 miles per hour pace.
01:40:47.000Rich Roll was saying that, was that when he runs ultra-marathons, like when he was training, that one of the keys was never get his heart rate over 140 beats per minute.
01:43:13.000So you're talking like during July and August, you managed to build yourself up to a marathon a day.
01:43:17.000Yeah, and Under Armour had an ultra at Mount Bachelor in July, and And I didn't, like, July 20-something, so it was about a month after the 24-hour race, and I didn't take a day, I think I took one day off.
01:43:33.000So I ran every day from the 24-hour, trying to beat my body up, and then I went into that Ultra, and I ran that.
01:43:57.000And then the next day I ran the South Sister, which is...
01:44:04.000It was 16 miles with 5,000 feet of gain so I got really good mountain back-to-back days there with no break after the 24 hour and then Went, then took a little break, I think a day, and then started trying to get really at least a half marathon a day.
01:44:23.000But then I went on a run, I think of nine days where I did a marathon every day.
01:44:28.000And so at that time, if you had asked if I had a chance to win Moab, I would have said, yeah.
01:45:17.000That you were going to train super hard, beat yourself up, and then take a few weeks off for hunting, and then you would recover and recuperate.
01:47:15.000I feel like when I'm eating, you know, those elk are amazing animals, powerful, strong, endurance, you know, everything I would like to be as far as of taking on anything that happens.
01:47:31.000And, you know, when you eat it, how could you not have confidence or feel better?
01:47:36.000I just think it's the best food for you.
01:48:35.000Yeah, I'm You know and part of it is I've never like I said I never felt special so I always feel like I should appreciate having a good job and I I'm loyal to to where I work and so I feel like all this Opportunity and these things that I do and being on you know your show and all that could go away tomorrow And then if I quit the job,
01:49:00.000I knew it I'm a freaking loser and I quit it the best job.
01:49:03.000I've ever had in my entire life That's an interesting way of looking at it, but yeah It's Part of your strength is the fact that you can endure, right?
01:49:15.000And so I think you're enduring this job.
01:50:41.000And again, a lot of what we're talking about, like I was talking about Brian Barney's podcast, he's hunting public land, over-the-counter tags in Montana.
01:51:34.000You can go into the backcountry in Idaho and get amazing public land hunting.
01:51:40.000If you're willing to hike in and go deep, And you go to Google Earth and you could go and look at all these basins and mountains and you could go online and ask people.
01:52:00.000Maybe we could do something like you know how they have that total archery challenge that they did in Utah over there I was there is awesome amazing right so maybe there's like a Gathering that we could put together like maybe once a year maybe during the offseason Just once a year where people can get maybe fitted for a bow You sign up for this in advance,
01:52:21.000and maybe it's a couple-day thing, like maybe one or two days, where you go through an introductory course of archery, understanding it, and then maybe someone can talk about shot placement, and maybe someone else, like someone who does a lot of soul hunting,
01:52:37.000like Remy, or maybe even Adam, can talk about, like, woodsmanship and things that you can learn, and here's some books you can read, like your book, Backcountry.
01:53:07.000I mean, we've done gatherings, you know, Wayne at the Bow Rack, we used to do this Bowhunters, I can't remember what we used to call it, but six or seven hundred people would show up at the Bow Rack in the parking lot, big tent, and we'd do things.
01:53:20.000We could do it out where I practice out at his property, you know, and get together and have people in, and it would just be, it would be amazing.
01:53:34.000My book, Backcountry Bullhunting, I wrote in 2006. Cases of that go out every day.
01:53:41.000I mean, before I left on this hunt, I sat at my kitchen table and signed books for cases of books because those are all going to be gone when I get home.
01:53:56.000I don't understand how the fuck you have time to run a marathon and then sign books and then practice bow hunting and then do 100 reps of fucking this and then hang out with your family and then eat dinner and go to sleep and then work a full-time job and then...
01:56:22.000I told him on the way home I was gonna listen to his podcast today.
01:56:25.000He said he he talked about He mentions me or something like that.
01:56:29.000Andy, for people who don't know, he's been on the podcast before, and he's a retired Navy SEAL who has the world record in the distance of one of those fucking crazy flying squirrel suits.
01:57:05.000Like, I told you, when I went there last summer with my family, we had to stop the car, and I brought binos, and I was giving them to my kids.
01:57:40.000And this is why he became obsessed with bowhunting as well.
01:57:43.000It's like he recognized the things that we were talking about, and he decided to start it, to start the process and see what it was like, and then immediately became obsessed.
01:59:40.000He was talking about, like, one time he went with an outfitter, and he just hadn't been practicing enough, he felt like he was fine, and he's just fucking missing.
02:00:04.000Yeah, the next day he was shooting perfect.
02:00:05.000But it's like he needed to have that wake-up call that even though he's John fucking Dudley, world-class professional archer, if you don't practice, it doesn't matter.
02:00:43.000I felt frustrated like I wanted to press on and I wanted to get successful.
02:00:47.000And being friends with guys like you, guys like Remy, Adam Greentree, knowing these people that have done all this and gone through all this already.
02:00:58.000And also for people that are listening, having podcasts where people like you or like Remy or Steve Rinella can talk about the struggle.
02:01:20.000Yeah, yeah, it does, because you get a TV show's 21 minutes, you got some sponsors you got to mention, you get a few minutes of hunting, and oh, here they killed something.
02:01:29.000That's one of the things that I'm worried about with these films, because these films are brilliant.
02:01:33.000Like your film, that Time film that Under Armour made, they're brilliant, but...
02:01:38.000Man, it just seems like everything just kind of happened in that.
02:01:41.000Like, all of a sudden, there's the elk.
02:02:31.000There was a time where Jameson and Colton and I, before I killed that bull, we were standing there dead still for five minutes while cows were just staring at us.
02:08:43.000So, when you have an 8 to 10-year-old bull that has a protection of the herd, but also has been around for 8 to 10 hunting seasons, that's a smart animal.
02:08:56.000He's seen some stuff, and it's a smart animal.
02:08:58.000So, there's a guy in camp also that has hunted...
02:09:02.000San Carlos Indian Reservation, and he talked about this big bull there that knew he was being hunted, circled around them, came in from the backside of the hunters to look at them.
02:09:16.000Because that bull had been around and knew what was going on so much, and so they were able to track him and see what he did, and he went around behind the hunters.
02:11:28.000Yeah, but you started to talk about the trophy hunting aspect and what people, you know, when they have that trophy hunting moniker that has negative connotation.
02:11:40.000And that's what, we talked about this a little bit last night on the way back from the airport, the grizzly hunting in British Columbia.
02:12:31.000And you're going to also destroy the economy that comes with hunting.
02:12:35.000The economy that comes with hunting those undulates, because they're going to get devastated by the overwhelming population of grizzly bears, and the economy that comes with hunting the grizzly bears.
02:12:44.000In managing them, what they're going to have to probably do is what they've done with mountain lions in California.
02:12:50.000What people don't know, because mountain lion hunting is outlawed in California, so what they do is they hire hunters to kill mountain lions.
02:13:16.000Basically, they can run dogs with them.
02:13:18.000They can do all sorts of things to get them killed.
02:13:20.000But it's the government paying somebody to do it, as opposed to hunters paying for the opportunity to do it, to kill the same amount.
02:13:27.000So instead of money going to the state, the state's paying money.
02:13:31.000And it's a lot of money, especially when you're talking about something like grizzly bears.
02:13:34.000Well, what they're saying up there, and I did some research on it, just because I want to know how this works, because why it's being stopped is just public outcry.
02:13:45.000And the new government in British Columbia said, in this day and age, you know, the public just can't stomach grizzly trophy hunting.
02:13:54.000So the public, what the hell does the public know?
02:13:56.000The public doesn't even, they're not even out there.
02:14:15.000If they could have voted for Obama, they would have.
02:14:19.000So these people that live in Vancouver, they comprise the majority of the people that are voting in British Columbia.
02:14:29.000So they voted out the grizzly bear hunting.
02:14:31.000But these people that I know, like my friend Mike Hawkridge, who lives in BC. Mike's had a lot of experience with grizzly bears and wolves.
02:14:39.000Wolves up there are so plentiful, they don't have a bag limit on them.
02:14:43.000You can shoot as many wolves as you want.
02:15:30.000If you shoot a bear and you eat the bear, why wouldn't you keep the rug, like have a bear rug in your house to commemorate that experience and also...
02:15:40.000It's, you know, people have bare-skinned rugs.
02:15:59.000It's also disrespectful to just shoot an animal just for its skin.
02:16:03.000If you're the type of person who wants to shoot an elephant and just take the tusks and let the meat rot, a lot of people think that's disrespectful.
02:16:10.000That's where trophy hunting gets its bad moniker.
02:16:13.000So what they've done is the opposite of what makes sense.
02:16:16.000You've removed part of the value of that animal, and you've also removed most of the economy of people hunting that animal.
02:16:25.000So most people are not going to hunt them.
02:16:26.000What they said was, so they were killing $250,000 a year, and they could get out of country or whatever hunters to pay $25,000 to hunt those bear.
02:17:22.000Now think that's the money that's gone.
02:17:24.000That money is now no longer going into the economy.
02:17:27.000Now they're going to have what they call problem bears.
02:17:30.000Now problem bears are bears that attack people, which is very frequent.
02:17:33.000Bears that attack animals, livestock, bears that encroach upon people's established residences and communities and start eating garbage cans and killing pets and things along those lines.
02:17:45.000Then they have to hire people to go out and kill these bears.
02:17:48.000And that's going to cost thousands of dollars a day.
02:17:51.000You're going to have to pay for equipment.
02:17:53.000Dogs, they usually have to track them with dogs.
02:18:32.000That's another thing that you know people don't like that idea of using dogs to hunt animals But that's one of the more effective ways to find these animals It's one of the best ways they use in a lot of states to find mountain lions Yeah, and people think it's fucked up and cruel the only effective way to hunt mountain lions to be to be honest I mean you can gamble you might see one have a tag.
02:18:55.000I mean I buy a tag in Oregon every year I've seen about I think I've seen three mountain lions in 30 years.
02:21:10.000That's one of the things that Aaron Schneider talked about in the podcast, where he was standing in the wrong place when they opened up the pen to let the grizzly dogs out, and the dog just leaped and slammed him in the chest and just about knocked him unconscious.
02:21:53.000It's about predator management with bark.
02:21:55.000Bart Lancaster and that's the one where they really talked about they talked about guys who live there in British Columbia who are talking about how you know when he's not home and he has to go somewhere he has to leave his dog with his wife if his wife goes riding a horse he has to bring the wife has to bring dogs with her because there's so many fucking grizzly bears out there they have to have something that's gonna protect him warn him and these these dogs are not just pets they're also a first line of defense To let them know that there's danger in the area.
02:23:04.000But a lot of it is entirely based on The images that people have seen in movies, in Disney films, and the anthropomorphization of these animals where you attach human characteristics to these ultra-predators, these enormous monsters of nature,
02:24:14.000We've been involved in how many animals there are.
02:24:18.000Sometimes we've been involved negatively, like when we almost wiped out the elk or the buffalo.
02:24:24.000Lately, we've been involved positively and we manage them.
02:24:27.000And this is the other thing they talked about on the Gritty Bowman podcast where they really emphasize the difference between a biologist who's not in the field and all these different people, whether it's the hunters themselves or whether it's the guides or whether it's the people that are outfitters that are there.
02:24:48.00024-7, 365. They can give you more data.
02:24:59.000To get a real number, I mean, there's no, like, you can't just pull up the social security numbers of the bears and find out how many of them are still alive.
02:25:08.000And you can't fly over and get a count like they do a lot of animals.
02:25:31.000There's no wintering grounds for bear.
02:25:33.000Well, that's another important thing that Adam found out.
02:25:35.000When Adam Greentree was on this crazy walkabout that he was doing for the last month, he found mountain grizzlies.
02:25:42.000What he believes, and he says, and I know that he's a very smart guy, he's been around a lot of animals, he believes there's 100% mountain grizzlies in Colorado.
02:26:13.000I mean, if those were grizzly, then there's grizzly we didn't know about.
02:26:16.000How many people are going to do what Adam did and actually go out there 20-plus miles deep into the woods with a fucking tent and find these things?
02:26:23.000It's incredibly difficult to get real-world numbers on these animals.
02:26:42.000Once you do like they did in B.C. and the government just decides that the public can't stomach it anymore because they did some poll at Starbucks in B.C., right?
02:27:20.000Environment that these animals live in.
02:27:22.000You could never imagine if you lived in Vancouver and went to some of the best restaurants in the world and drove some of the nicest streets.
02:28:05.000I mean, it's a ridiculous way to handle it.
02:28:08.000So thankfully, here in the United States, we do have a great system for wildlife management.
02:28:15.000And our government, except for here in California with the mountain lions, trusts the professionals, the biologists, the people out, you know, boots on the ground, as I said.
02:28:47.000Yeah, and that's going to get pushed back too.
02:28:49.000People are going to sue against it, but The the idea is not to kill all these animals the idea is not to To satisfy the bloodthirsty urges some fat redneck that people have in their mind as being the Stereotypical hunter that they see as a bad guy in a movie right like in a movie It's always like,
02:29:12.000remember the scene in Wolverine where there's the bad guys who killed the bear and he goes and fucks those bad guys up?
02:31:52.000She goes, you don't know what it's like.
02:31:54.000There was an article that was written by a guy from Zimbabwe, right after the whole Cease of the Lion thing, that was in the New York Times, that it said, in Zimbabwe, we do not cry for lions.
02:32:16.000It's the same thing as with the grizzly bears.
02:32:18.000When they made lion hunting such a dangerous proposition for people that do it because you're going to get ostracized, people are going to show up at your house and protest like they did that dentist guy.
02:32:32.000Now they have to hire hitmen to go in there and shoot all these lions and they make no money.
02:32:36.000So instead of making $50,000 per lion, which helps the community, helps fund their schools and gives them money, and there's been a lot of articles written about the lie of conservation when it comes to lion hunting and how little of it actually goes to the people of the community and how much of it actually goes to the outfitters.
02:32:55.000But you know how much of it goes to the community if you don't have hunters?
02:33:09.000Most of them just are, you know, hashtag activists or, you know, internet people that are just posting pictures up on Instagram and Facebook and getting people riled up and starting petitions.
02:33:22.000But how much are you actually doing there?
02:34:09.000If that gets killed by a lion, it drastically impacts their life.
02:34:13.000I think a lot of people have ideas about wildlife that are entirely shaped by movies and by television shows, and we have this unrealistic depiction.
02:34:23.000And this is not in support or against hunting.
02:34:27.000This is just, I think, the reality of humans and our view of the wild world.
02:34:34.000You saw that woman last year, she was an editor for Game of Thrones, and she was in the wild in Africa.
02:34:45.000She decided to roll down her window to get a bit of a photo, and the cat said, thank you, just reached in, grabbed her, pulled her out of the car, and killed her in front of everybody.
02:35:15.000I'm glad for this forum to talk about things like this because I know we've made an impact because of you and you reach so many people and you're Wearing an Under Armour Hunt shirt right now with a big bull on it and a Hoyt bow hunting hat.
02:35:31.000And it's just like, I feel like there's been education happening for a few years now.
02:36:00.000And I always tell people, even if you want to eat plants for the rest of your life, you never want to kill an animal ever, just try archery just for meditation.
02:36:06.000It's an amazing, relaxing thing because to release a perfect arrow and have it hit that bullseye is so difficult and involves so many different things that you have to manage and control that in doing that, it sort of cleanses your mind.
02:36:45.000Jed owed me a hundred bucks, but I let it slide because Under Armour paid for the hunt.
02:36:52.000I think what's important about podcasts, and it's not just for hunting, I think it's important for almost every really difficult, complex, nuanced subject, is you have to discuss all the aspects of it.
02:37:08.000And you can't do that on a regular television show.
02:37:11.000You also have to remove a lot of the...
02:37:16.000Unrealistic programming that we have in our head because of anthropomorphization of animals attaching human characteristics that we've seen in Disney movies and all of our lives.
02:38:00.000I was saying, you've got this amazing place, and I think you should take people on guided tours that have no intention whatsoever of hunting.
02:38:47.000Like, if people could go and experience that, and just be...
02:38:51.000I think you would get, like, one step closer to an understanding of that this whole world is this wild collection of things that are interacting with each other.
02:39:12.000Maybe they should trust people who've been there, who've done it, who understand, who aren't bloodthirsty killers, but actually have been out there and know how it all goes together.
02:39:23.000It's okay to trust people like that and not think that hunting's bad, hunters are bad.
02:39:28.000So be like, maybe I just didn't get it.
02:39:30.000But I don't think the hunters had a voice before.
02:40:13.000It takes time, but I've got a lot of messages from people and I've talked to a lot of people in real life that have said to me that they've changed their thoughts on what hunting is by listening to me talk to Ronella, listening to me talk to you, listening to me talk to Remy and John Dudley and all these different people where you get a sense.
02:40:30.000Of like, oh, these are like really good people.
02:40:33.000And these are people that are experiencing this wild thing.
02:41:00.000And I would buy, like, I would always order, like, if they had venison in a restaurant, I'd always order it, or, you know, elk, or, you know, bison, or something like that.
02:42:40.000Just have a different perspective on life, death, struggle, and where that's driven home for me is the death threats I get.
02:42:50.000There's comments right now on a couple of my photos from people that said, somebody said they hope I get home and my family gets in a car crash and I get there just in enough time to where the flames are burning them and they're clawing at the windows.
02:43:09.000That's the kind of stuff people post on my photos today because I hunt.
02:43:15.000Meanwhile, is that person eating a cheeseburger right now?
02:44:18.000And I think that's, when you get to the elite of anything, you get to people that have exceptional character, that have allowed them to get really, truly great at any pursuit.
02:44:27.000And you're talking about guys like Lee Lukoski or Remy Warren, you're talking about the elite of the elite, right?
02:44:32.000If they were doing anything, they would be amazing at it.
02:44:35.000And I think that, when you're talking about the character of those people, those are people that have overcome incredible odds to become very good at something that's insanely difficult, which is bow hunting.
02:44:45.000And I think a lot of these people, the problem is, First of all, there's an anonymous communication on the internet.
02:45:07.000It's a bad form of communication for the human animal.
02:45:12.000Unless you commit to only being nice and kind or friendly or funny online, unless you commit to doing that and never trying to reach out and attack someone and hurt someone, you're using this whole thing wrong because you're taking advantage of this weird little loophole that exists in communication.
02:46:18.000They don't understand that we are here for a very temporary short amount of time and the more we embrace the richness and complexity that is life and the life eats life struggle and the less we finger point and more we try to look at our own Footprint,
02:46:35.000our carbon footprint, and just the sustainability footprint that we leave on this world.
02:46:41.000And in my eyes, there's no more sustainable way of living than supporting conservation through buying tags and supporting it through buying outdoor equipment.
02:46:51.000What is the number of percentage of taxes that go from when you buy hunting equipment that goes straight to conservation?
02:47:00.000Which is millions and billions of dollars.
02:47:02.000Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation has a great bunch of charts that show how much money each year hunters put into contributing to wildlife conservation.
02:47:49.000Forget about bows and arrows and hunting equipment and clothing and all the different factors that play in different pieces that contribute to conservation.
02:49:30.000And that you didn't have to be a conservationist first and then hope that your kids or their kids could be hunters because the world would be in more balance.
02:49:50.000I didn't understand what it was until I became involved in it.
02:49:54.000So I'm very thankful for people like you and people like Steve Rinella that opened the door for me.
02:50:00.000And then I feel like as much as I preach about this and much as I'm redundant as fuck and annoying to a lot of people listening, I think I have a responsibility to share what I've learned.
02:50:11.000And to communicate about this, even though people get mad at me.
02:50:15.000You can stop killing animals, all caps.
02:51:01.000I mean, I fucking hate the idea of pesticides.
02:51:04.000You know, I hate the idea that we're spraying things on certain plants to kill them so that we can grow other plants.
02:51:11.000Like, large-scale agriculture, when you look at a giant cornfield...
02:51:15.000Ladies and gentlemen, that is one of the most unnatural things in all of life, and it is one of the weirdest things we've just accepted as being natural.
02:51:24.000It's not natural, and it's one of the reasons why they have to dump nitrogen into the soil and all kinds of other shit and pesticides and use Roundup and use giant machines to grind up all this stuff.
02:51:37.000I'm not saying you shouldn't eat wheat, but I'm saying All of this is unnatural.
02:51:45.000And the more we understand about the true nature of our interactions with this life that we are surrounded with, the better off we'll all be.
02:51:55.000And it doesn't mean finger pointing or saying that you should watch your family die in a fire.
02:52:06.000It's sort of the same thing that people do in politics.
02:52:09.000You know, the right hates the left and the left hates the right and nothing gets done because everybody's just digging in and supporting their side.
02:52:16.000And it's just, we all need to realize that this life that we're experiencing is far more nuanced and requires far more research and far more understanding of all the different pieces that are moving.
02:52:28.000That was another great thing about that hunting trip is I had no idea what people were attacking Donald Trump for for about a week.