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00:01:52.000But he, I mean, I really do think Hillary Clinton, I mean, I just think it was such a close race that any little thing probably could have made the difference, so you could blame any number of factors.
00:02:01.000But, I mean, the FBI coming out and reopening an investigation on you, like, less than two weeks before an election, that's pretty tough to get over politically.
00:02:10.000Like, in any normal year, any candidate would be buried Well, after all that, lock her up.
00:02:26.000And I think there's also just, in terms of the politics and the way people work, there was something about Anthony Weiner where, so it made the American public think about him again.
00:02:57.000Yeah, well, that's one of the things that got me about Fox News, because Fox News has always been the voice of conservative America on television, right?
00:03:07.000The staunch voice of conservative America.
00:03:12.000But yet, all this sex stuff comes out, like the Bill O'Reilly tapes where he was calling up whoever the girl was and saying crazy shit with a loofah sponge.
00:03:24.000It was crazy, but they had recordings of it.
00:03:26.000And then it was, you know, all the women that accused him of sexual harassment and sexual harassment with other people.
00:03:33.000And then other people are sending dick pics and like, whoa, you guys are freaks!
00:03:36.000And you know what was really crazy about it was that, so Roger Ailes, who's the head of the network, He went down first for sexual harassment and then as soon as he was down like a whole bunch of other people started going down and then you really start wondering like oh shit like was it just like a new guy isn't letting us sexually harass anymore what's going on?
00:03:59.000Well, I think it was just there was a culture that they could get away with before the internet where they were the bosses and the women were the underlings and they all felt, you know, I'm sure there's probably a lot of dynamics playing there, right?
00:04:35.000I mean, I always say to people, if you're in New York City, if you go to a bar in the financial district, like, right after work, it's a really crazy scene.
00:04:45.000Something interesting, like the exact dynamic you're talking about, where it's these people who are all day working in this crazy, like, and then, like, the ties are loosened, and it's this, like, real...
00:04:53.000The girls are drinking, and they take their shoes off at the bar, and you're like, whoa.
00:04:56.000People are getting slapped on the ass, like, crazy shit is going on that you wouldn't think you're a banker.
00:05:00.000You know, the guy who runs your retirement account.
00:05:04.000Because like we were talking about before the podcast started with these ancient reward systems, there's an ancient reward system for plundering.
00:05:24.000And they grab each other, we're gonna fucking take them down, we're gonna fucking take them down.
00:05:27.000And if you think about, I mean, if you think about the acquisition of property, of goods, or anything like that throughout human history, I mean, the idea of, like, a just, a theory of just acquisition of property is, like, pretty relatively new.
00:05:39.000And the way everything was acquired for all of human history was through conquest.
00:06:03.000I'M NOT FUCKING GOING! I'M NOT FUCKING GOING! And everybody's like, YES! It's like being above the system, kind of.
00:06:11.000It is, but this is tapping in the same way football taps in.
00:06:15.000It's tapping into this ancient reward system for plundering.
00:06:19.000When men get together and they fuck up other men and take all their shit, and then we kick ass!
00:06:25.000It's unbelievable how much, I thought about this a lot this last year through the election, but it's unbelievable how much that football team dynamic is just the whole thing.
00:06:34.000It's like human beings love to get into a stadium, be like red team, blue team, identify with one team, and lose their freaking minds.
00:06:44.000Like, literally lose their minds, and that's when they know it's meaningless.
00:06:47.000When they know it's just about a ball crossing a line.
00:07:13.000This is just what gets them interested.
00:07:16.000Well, we are a gossip country now, like 100% officially.
00:07:19.000Like, what we like is a squabble between the leader of the free world, who is a reality star, and some of the best basketball players that have ever lived.
00:07:28.000Like, OH SHIT! HITS ON! Football players.
00:07:32.000I mean, LeBron James is making videos about the president being a douchebag.
00:07:36.000He's making videos about all these different people Like expressing their right to free speech.
00:07:42.000I saw one of the tweets that he tweeted out at the president where it was like just kind of like a broken English tweet.
00:07:48.000Like he used the word ain't a lot in it.
00:08:49.000There's never a, you know, domination event.
00:08:53.000Yeah, they figured it out somewhere along the line.
00:08:55.000But what we're talking about, oh yeah, how crazy it is to see that this is all going on while Puerto Rico has no power and only 5% of it has cell phone service.
00:09:06.000You want to talk about, there's a weird racist thing that we're like, if that was an island filled with white people, do you really truly think it was an island filled with white people that spoke perfect English, And it sounded just like us.
00:09:21.000Do you think we could have so little coverage of Puerto Rico the way we do now?
00:09:27.000Puerto Rico is technically a part of the United States.
00:09:30.000It's not a state, but it's technically like we had on...
00:09:47.000That's like that moment and that animated gif where that black kid has got his glasses and he says they're funny and everyone around is going, ahhhh!
00:09:57.000That's what you just did to Peter Schiff.
00:09:59.000For a guy who was known to predict the future.
00:10:28.000Yeah, I mean, you might be able to, like, gain some ground afterwards with a couple of good insults, but, you know, the fucking contest is over.
00:10:36.000If that's, like, happens halfway through a roast battle, just, like, call it for the judges.
00:10:40.000You gotta know when to walk away, too, with a loss.
00:10:43.000Because it's way worse if you stay there and keep swinging.
00:11:28.000But yeah, it's a weird fucking time with all this because we're concentrating so much on weird stuff, like whether or not you should stand for the flag or kneel.
00:11:38.000And first of all, I think what they're doing...
00:11:47.000So it's kind of ineffective on their part, the message, because you have to listen to them afterwards.
00:11:54.000Because it seems like you don't like America, right?
00:11:56.000That's what people have a problem with.
00:11:57.000And Trump's playing on that, that they get down on one knee.
00:12:00.000And, you know, I mean, it's kind of weird because it's kind of respectful.
00:12:04.000Also, getting down on one knee for the flag is actually more respectful than putting your hand over your heart, which is really weird, right?
00:12:11.000So they're supposed to be protesting cops who've shot innocent, unarmed people, which have been a fuckload of them.
00:12:20.000But that's a weird way to do it, because you're doing it during the anthem.
00:12:27.000So it's a shitty way to divide, because it's not really making a whole lot of sense.
00:12:31.000Because the people who wrote the Star Spangled Banner, who are singing it right now, the people who have sung it all throughout the years and stood there, they aren't the ones that shot those unarmed people.
00:12:41.000What you have is a cop who is probably a nervous wreck, most likely has been operating with PTSD for the past five, six fucking years.
00:12:54.000You know, I know a bunch of cops, especially from jujitsu.
00:12:57.000I know a ton of cops, and from the UFC as well.
00:13:00.000They tell you some fucking horror stories, things that they have to deal with.
00:13:04.000Like, they stumble upon a crime scene, and the guy's got half his fucking head missing, people chopped up, you know, all sorts of dark, dark, dark shit.
00:14:25.000And what you have here, and this is why everyone gets so into the kneeling for the national anthem thing, because it's symbolic of two cultures.
00:14:31.000And to me, it's like, I see the worst in both, which is really frustrating.
00:14:35.000So, it's like the left-wing thing is just this bash America with no perspective.
00:14:45.000So they'll be protesting, say, like, cops being shot or something like that, which you can say, certainly there are legitimate cases of that.
00:14:50.000And I'm a person who believes we have, like, a real, real police problem in America.
00:14:54.000And we have, like, just insane amounts of arrests for nonviolent crimes and really fucked up shit.
00:15:08.000So you have these people taking a knee, but it's kind of symbolic to people who aren't on the left of this culture of everything on the left is just anti-America, anti-capitalist, anti-white man, anti-man in general, and anti-Western civilization with no perspective.
00:15:24.000No perspective of just like, America's a white supremacist country.
00:15:37.000If I'm like, we live in a robbery culture.
00:15:39.000There are robberies, but compare to what?
00:15:41.000So if you're going to say we're a white supremacist culture, to me it's kind of like saying, it's like saying America's a poor country.
00:15:48.000I mean, I suppose, compared to some richer country in the future that's figured some shit out that we haven't, compared to everything else that's ever existed, we're a rich country.
00:15:55.000So, if you're talking white supremacists, it's like, well, no, by and large, we're probably the best, like, melting pot, most diverse, most inclusive, most...
00:16:04.000Like, we feel more guilty for the sins of our past than pretty much any other country I could think of.
00:16:09.000And I don't know any country that, like, you know, it's like America was founded by conquest of the Native Americans.
00:16:14.000It's like, right, and so was every single other country.
00:16:16.000And every country had slavery, and every country had all these things.
00:16:19.000It's not, no one 150 years ago wasn't fucked up.
00:16:23.000And so if you have some perspective, the left-wing thing gets pretty frustrating after a while.
00:16:28.000However, then, on the Trump side, so I've kind of been more sympathetic to the right than the left probably over the last year and a half, because I really do see, like, the issue of our time becoming this, like, are you for free speech or against free speech?
00:16:42.000Right, because we don't really figure things out unless we get to debate them.
00:16:45.000We can't have forbidden topics, and we can't have topics that are supercharged to the point where you can't have a position on them, and you can't explore them.
00:16:58.000I think there's many reasons, but that's one of the most important, like, why we need free speech.
00:17:02.000Because unless you come from the position of, I have everything 100% correct, Like, then maybe you need to have a conversation and someone has a conversation back with you, because odds are you don't have everything 100% correct.
00:17:13.000It's their correct versus your correct.
00:17:15.000Like, their correct is gender equality, their correct is transgender rights, their correct is socialism, their correct is like, and if you, obviously I'm talking about people far left, not talking about you if you're listening.
00:17:28.000I'm talking about the hypothetical extreme far-left person that is protesting Ben Shapiro on Berkeley campus, calling him a Nazi.
00:17:36.000But this isn't just, you know, you're talking about a hypothetical person, but obviously this is happening in reality.
00:17:44.000And there's enough to the point where it's like this real thing where, okay, so the great threat to free speech in our time isn't coming from the state.
00:17:51.000Which, by the way, as a libertarian, that would be more comfortable to my narrative.
00:17:55.000That's what I've been thinking for years is the great threat to free speech.
00:17:58.000But no, it's coming from this left-wing culture that says, like, Ben Shapiro can't speak.
00:18:26.000And then the other thing I would just say on this left-wing culture, and this is what Kaepernick kind of embodies to me, is just this frustrating ignorance.
00:18:36.000So you'll be protesting police brutality and mass incarceration, and then you'll put a Castro image on your jacket?
00:19:03.000And I want to be, like, on the free speech side.
00:19:05.000And I see a lot of these guys, like, who I'll bring up, like Stephen Crowder and Ben Shapiro, guys you've had on your show, who I really admire a lot because they're fighting against that.
00:19:11.000And Jordan Peterson fighting against that authoritarian PC, anti-free speech stuff.
00:19:17.000So I'm kind of more sympathetic to the right, but then there's this thing with the NFL, and it really just reminds me of all the cultural aspects of the right that I hate, which is when, first of all, I'm sorry, as someone who's standing for freedom of speech, I'm pretty fucking troubled by the President of the United States,
00:19:32.000the man who's in control of the most powerful army in the military in the history of humanity, coming out and saying, I think if someone takes a knee, they should be fired.
00:19:41.000Now, that may not be writing a law against speech, but that's pretty fucking chilling.
00:19:47.000To have, like, the government telling you, hey, you know what would please me?
00:19:50.000Is if you started firing people when they spoke out against me.
00:20:08.000What I was going to say earlier is that when you were talking about the state, when you were talking about the fear of the state and the censorship coming from the state, it's the same thing.
00:20:30.000I think what we should have, if we're going to really keep doing this whole we're a country thing, We should have like an armistice when then this is I think with with reasonable people have an issue with this idea of desecrating the flag because the flag is just a flag and it's not important but what is important is that we treat each other like we're a team and we look out for each other and we're all together and we're all united together we shouldn't be if we have an issue our issue should be with communist dictatorships across the
00:21:00.000world that have nuclear weapons that are holding their people captive If it was ever a time to look at a country and go, wow, this is a country that is in an unjust position, and it's a really terrifying dilemma that you have this murderous dictator who's in control of nuclear weapons,
00:21:17.000and he has an entire country of people enslaved.
00:21:21.000Which is essentially what's going on in North Korea, right?
00:21:23.000It's basically like a giant hostage situation.
00:21:48.000I can't even believe I hold some of the positions I do because I grew up like a kind of left-wing kid and I was raised by a single mom in New York.
00:21:56.000That's kind of where I belong culturally.
00:22:01.000The kooky conservatives, the religious kooky conservatives, who I just dismissed for years as like, this is just insane, had more of like, they had a grain of truth that I didn't realize.
00:22:12.000Like, they'd be like, you know, you can't legalize gay marriage or they'll start coming after the kids.
00:22:16.000And you're like, well, that's just insane.
00:22:26.000It's very weird to me that the left didn't take, like, a minute to celebrate this victory on gay marriage that they had been fighting for, like, my entire life.
00:22:53.000And then it's not like, oh, there was this wave of Republicans who rose up like, we're going to repeal, or we're going to write a law to reverse that Supreme Court decision.
00:23:01.000It's like, no, actually, they elected the first pro-gay marriage president.
00:23:04.000It's like, you won on this issue, and immediately, as soon as they won, they're like, now transgender bathrooms, now this.
00:23:10.000Well, I don't think they're related, and this is why.
00:23:14.000I think, first of all, the gay marriage thing is consenting adults.
00:23:18.000They should be able to do whatever they want to do.
00:23:19.000The difference between gay people and transgender people is pretty radical.
00:23:40.000I think it's actually insulting that they lump them together as if it's like the same thing.
00:23:43.000I mean, I think it's weird that when Trump tweeted the thing about trans people not being able to serve in the military, I saw a bunch of people being like, Trump, you know, has come out against LGBT rights.
00:23:53.000And you're like, what the hell does this have to do with LG or B? Yeah.
00:23:57.000They're just a gang, lump it all together, a big progressive gang of acronyms.
00:24:01.000But what I was going to say about all this stuff being lumped in together is that the left has been the side that has looked towards the hard science when it comes to global warming, right?
00:24:11.000The hard science when it comes to climate data.
00:24:13.000Those are the ones that are always pushing, whether they're right or wrong or getting the right data.
00:24:17.000They're the ones that are really harping on the science.
00:24:20.000And if you looked in terms of the amount of people that are working in universities, there are far more left than there are right.
00:24:28.000Far more left professors than there are right.
00:24:30.000So you would think, okay, you have this, like, base of academia and knowledge on the left.
00:24:35.000But yet the left is the side that's willing to entertain the idea that a young kid should take hormones to alter their sex when you know for a fucking fact that when you're a young person you're extremely confused, constantly,
00:25:18.000But so this same party, this same progressive mindset that is so incredibly open-minded, but yet also so deeply embedded in academia, like far more than the right is.
00:25:29.000This is the side that is willing to put aside all that they know about biology and psychology and physiology and children.
00:25:41.000I don't want to lump anybody to the other.
00:25:42.000Put aside that for progressive brownie points.
00:25:46.000For saying that you are so incredibly open, like this child obviously knows that he is a she or she is a he, and we need to start addressing them as that, and this is just a fact.
00:25:57.000It's a conversation that we should have, and I think it varies in individuals.
00:26:01.000And I think there are some people that I have personally talked to that are transgender people that for sure are happier being a woman or a man, and they were born in what they feel is the wrong body.
00:26:11.000Absolutely, 100% salute their right to go out and do that.
00:26:14.000But we should have a real conversation as to how many people is that really happening to?
00:26:20.000How many of these people have a psychological issue?
00:26:24.000How many people, is there a physical trait that we're missing?
00:26:27.000Is there some switch that gets flipped when they're young?
00:26:31.000I mean, it's a fascinating aspect of human beings that you are one sex and wish you were another.
00:26:36.000Right, and it seems strange to me that on the left the rules always seem to be, There's this topic, like, it's like the left's thing forever.
00:26:43.000It's always like, we need to have a national conversation about race.
00:26:50.000You know, and it's the same thing with, like, the transgender thing.
00:26:52.000It's like, they want to, like, it's like, we want to have a conversation about this.
00:26:55.000They put this forward as, like, this is an issue we need to talk about.
00:26:57.000And then also, by the way, you're not allowed to say anything.
00:27:00.000So if you bring up the 40% suicide rate and say, maybe this isn't due to societal oppression, because there's no real link between societal oppression and high suicide rates...
00:27:07.000Now you need to be fired or something.
00:27:09.000But they say 40% of transgender people commit suicide.
00:27:13.000And the people that want to support the idea that it's not any sort of a mental illness in any people.
00:27:22.000The people that want to deny that say the reason why they are suicidal is because they don't get a chance to express their genuine, authentic self.
00:27:37.000I'm open to the argument that the 40% is possibly, it's maybe a combination of those two factors.
00:27:43.000Maybe there's some people that are mentally ill that are suicidal in the first place and they hope that maybe becoming a woman would make them feel better and it didn't work out.
00:27:50.000There's a whole website where people, I think it's called Transgender Regret or something like that, and it's all people that switched over and were like really upset that they did it and then realized it was like some strange phase they were going through or whatever.
00:28:02.000And then, you know, there's people that I'm sure are suicidal because they want to be one way, and people just constantly shit on them, and bully them, and heckle them, and they...
00:28:13.000That's what's causing them to be so deeply...
00:28:18.000No, and I think in every individual case there's probably like a complex, you know, a complex set of, you know, different causing factors, you know, so yeah, I agree with that.
00:28:27.000I just think it's like, no matter how...
00:29:30.000Although the problem is that, and like, I try very hard to like, I wrap my head around all of these different issues, and I've read a decent amount on climate change, and it's pretty tough.
00:30:56.000And people in school that protest about it and people that are super active social justice warriors.
00:31:01.000I think if you polled people whether or not they think there's a biological difference and you gave them three choices, yes, no, and duh, that most people would say, duh.
00:31:25.000A lot of them will come up to me, and it's almost like this thing at a dinner table.
00:31:29.000It's like, get close and be like, hey.
00:31:31.000Just so you know, I really agree with you on like a lot of stuff and I'm not you know like it'll be like the people who they're for the one Jordan Peterson Who by the way a guy like Jordan Peterson really does beg the question?
00:31:41.000Why aren't there more Jordan Peterson's like why is it just you and five other people?
00:31:45.000Why are there not more professors and the reason is because they're all intimidated look at all the shit He's had to deal with yeah, they're all intimidated by that Brett Weinstein who's a super progressive guy I mean he's way left And he got shamed, and he got, like, literally threatened.
00:32:01.000I mean, and now he just won a lawsuit, though.
00:32:06.000We had him on, like, right after Evergreen College had a shutdown, and kids were patrolling the fucking parking lot with baseball bats looking for him.
00:32:31.000Like, the double standard of, like, Dude, well, look, so you have, like, the thing that happened in Charlottesville, right, where you have, like, I mean, a few hundred people marched, and I guess there were dozens of them, at least, who were, like, wearing Nazi gear,
00:32:47.000which is, you know, don't get me wrong, I mean, it's pretty...
00:32:51.000Like, eye-opening and like, holy shit!
00:32:54.000It's like disturbing and kind of very interesting to me that anyone in 2017 in America is putting a swastika on.
00:33:02.000Not only that, these dumb fucks got together in public, lit their face with torches so everybody could take video and photos of them, and marched through the street together, yelling like blood and soil and all sorts of weird fucking shit.
00:34:16.000You get a cheap-ass Walmart torch when you had a nice Home Depot torch.
00:34:20.000You put a good, solidly constructed American Home Depot choice, and some dude stole your shit and left you with some made-in-Chinese bullshit.
00:34:43.000There's not a big market for tiki torches.
00:34:45.000But anyway, I was saying, but these guys, like, I mean, nobody, even like people who are real far out on the right wing, who are like pretty, you know, considered, you know, like whoever, like Ben Shapiro, who's being protested by these guys, he doesn't associate with any of those guys.
00:35:35.000Let me just make this point, because I want to address what you're saying.
00:35:38.000But so then, this happened, this one limited, this one thing with a few hundred people in Charlottesville happened.
00:35:42.000The media goes fucking nuts, like this is the biggest thing that's ever happened.
00:35:46.000On the other side, on the left-wing side, everywhere that someone tries to have a free speech rally, Everywhere, anyone who's one step to the right of Bernie Sanders wants to speak.
00:35:58.000Like, anyone who's one step to the right of Bernie Sanders gets shut down, and there is this mob, okay, called Antifa, who actively go after assaulting people.
00:36:36.000And when it's brought up, and it's actually backed up by things like 40% of millennials in a Chicago University study say they don't believe in free speech for hate speech, which basically means you don't believe in free speech.
00:36:49.000You've got about 40% of millennials who don't believe in free speech.
00:36:52.000Yeah, because then you have to define hate speech, and that's where things get slippery.
00:36:54.000And what you might call hate speech is so different from me.
00:37:08.000So it's like, once you define that, it's like, oh, you can punch a Nazi, but by the way, everyone who disagrees with me is a Nazi.
00:37:13.000So I'm against hate speech, and by the way, anything I don't like, I'm offended by is hate speech.
00:37:17.000The whole idea of freedom of speech is to protect unpopular speech.
00:37:22.000It's not there so we can talk about things that don't offend you.
00:37:24.000Obviously, no one has a problem with that.
00:37:26.000But so you have this on the left with this mass problem, and then the media demands that everyone on the right denounce this non-existent thing.
00:37:43.000And the only thing that was differentiating, their idea was so much more stupid than the free speech idea.
00:37:50.000Because their idea was just to differentiate people based on how much melanin is in their skin and what part of the planet their ancestors came from.
00:37:57.000That's one of the dumbest fucking ideas in human history.
00:38:00.000So what you have is this river of dum-dums walking down the street.
00:38:54.000But I think that applies to that thing you're saying about kind of being like a loser and then grasping to some collective because you don't have anything in your own, you know, story to really cling to or your own life.
00:39:04.000I agree with you, but that's I mean I think that applies to people who get into this identity bullshit on all sides.
00:39:14.000But I just think, to me, what he said, from what I see, was, like, he did call out those guys.
00:39:19.000He did say it was, like, disgusting, but what people were upset about is that he said there were bad people on both sides.
00:39:25.000Well, did you ever see, like, Stormfront's reaction to Trump's speech?
00:39:29.000That he never criticized white supremacy, and they were saying it was very good, very positive overall, and he said that there was problems on both sides and bad people on both sides.
00:39:41.000Which implied that Antifa was bad also, and they were saying, God bless Donald Trump.
00:39:46.000Okay, so this is what I saw from videos that I saw, because I have learned, and we could go through this forever, that I don't trust the mainstream media at all.
00:40:03.000But from the videos that I saw, like videos of what was going on there, it's like, yeah, I saw all the stuff you're talking about, like the tiki torches, the Jews will not replace us, swastikas, all that really, you know, garbage.
00:40:14.000And then I also saw, like, David Duke and Richard Spencer and all these guys who are kind of like, I mean, Richard Spencer, I think, is a white nationalist.
00:40:22.000David Duke has been around forever, you know, is a bigoted guy who had an almost successful run for governor, I think, at one point in Louisiana, but, you know, has been around forever.
00:40:32.000Now, I find a lot of both of their ideas fucked up and offensive.
00:40:58.000I mean, as disgusting as white supremacy may be, or national socialism, particularly to me, someone whose family was fucking slaughtered by them, I believe in freedom of speech.
00:41:10.000So I do think to some degree, I just get where Trump is being...
00:41:16.000I guess what I'm just sympathetic to is that he's being raked over the coals for calling out both sides instead of just calling out one side.
00:41:24.000Whereas everyone on the left is silent about this Antifa group.
00:41:27.000It just started getting press, actually covered in a fair way in the mainstream media.
00:41:41.000Versus the idea of right supremacists to walk down the street and denounce other weaker races and get together as this big group with torches.
00:41:48.000And then people protest them and there's violence.
00:41:51.000I think you've got to address the root of the idea of it as a representative of all the people of the United States.
00:41:57.000The root of the idea of it is that It's okay to be a white racist.
00:42:01.000And, you know, there's a lot of people that say, what about brown pride?
00:42:04.000How come Cain Velasquez has brown pride tattooed on his fucking chest?
00:42:07.000If you don't know the difference between a guy who is born of immigrants that literally his dad walked from Mexico You know, I mean, this is...
00:42:57.000For whatever reason, I don't know why, but our thought is that you hate other races.
00:43:02.000Like if you're a white nationalist, like you love white people, people look at you like you're a piece of shit, and you're a racist, and you think black people are inferior, and you think Mexican people, and Asian people, and American Indians, you think they're all inferior.
00:43:19.000If you have black pride, we look at you as a strong person who's resisting this really fucked up society that has brought your ancient ancestors over from Africa and enslaved your people and literally marginalized everyone who looks like you and you are there to fight against that.
00:43:40.000Yeah, well, but it's kind of strange in a way.
00:43:43.000Like, even as you say it, it's kind of strange that we think of one this way and the other that way.
00:43:48.000I certainly get the point that, like, Cain Velasquez tattooing brown pride on his skin, given his story, is a very different thing than tattooing white pride on your skin because you're, like, a neo-Nazi or something like that.
00:44:00.000Well, Cain was the UFC heavyweight champion, and it never came up.
00:44:03.000He's arguably the greatest UFC heavyweight in history.
00:44:06.000Oh, it only came up in the fact that they were like, oh, we're gonna sell numbers in Mexico City.
00:45:23.000Like, I get the point you're making, but at the same time, it's a bit of a weird setup that the left has where, like, everyone else is allowed to say these things except white people.
00:45:31.000Like, political correctness kind of only applies We're going to put everything you say under a fine-tooth comb, but somebody else could say whatever they want.
00:45:39.000It gets to a cartoonish point where you have Ice Cube lecturing Bill Maher about making a joke, and actually, unironically, while he's promoting his gangster rap album, sitting there going, now what made you think it was cool to say that, Bill Maher?
00:45:55.000And it's like, motherfucker, you made Cop Killer!
00:45:58.000Yeah, no, that was Ice-T. Oh no, what was his song?
00:46:16.000He uses the same insult actually toward another black guy.
00:46:19.000Not as a joke, not as a self-deprecating joke the way Bill Maher used it, but in the worst way you could insult Another black guy, he uses it.
00:46:26.000So I just think there is this weird dynamic on the left where it's like their rhetoric is so anti-white and so anti-male that I almost sit there and I go like, man, if you guys think Charlottesville is ugly, you're going to create a lot more of this.
00:46:40.000I was sitting at my sister's place a couple weeks ago and talking with a few of her left-wing professors, and my sister's got, like, she's a college professor, she's got this big, like, bookshelf up behind the, you know, like, behind the table, like, lots of books, and I just looked over and there was a Michael Moore book from the 90s called Stupid White Men.
00:46:57.000And you just look at it and you're like, oh, yeah.
00:47:28.000We just don't like to think it's racist because it's about white people and generally white people don't have to deal with racism nearly as much as other races, so we allow it to be okay.
00:48:03.000So like, you know, if there's like a Muslim terrorist event, and then somebody lumps that into like radical, or you know, lumps that into all Muslims, people on the left will lose their mind.
00:48:15.000Like, how can you lump the whole group in with what this one bad guy did?
00:48:19.000And then they turn around and lecture white people about like the evils of history.
00:48:22.000But forget, if we just stop saying left and right, don't you think that what this is is just human beings doing that team thing, you know?
00:48:29.000And once you start adopting the rules and the patterns of the team, whether you're a Wisconsin cheesehead or you're a Boston Red Sox fan or whatever the fuck it is that you're into, you get in this, like, you've ever heard those Vikings chant where they're...
00:48:46.000They get the whole stadium, like a thousand people, and they clap their hands together.
00:49:01.000And they all support this behavior that makes them feel good that they're a part of this group.
00:49:05.000And I think people do that whenever they support right-wing causes.
00:49:09.000And I think people do that whenever they support left-wing causes.
00:49:12.000And what the right and the left are...
00:49:14.000It's essentially just frameworks that we can fit in our ideologies and our mind and our needs and all of our social and emotional requirements, and we can fit them into these patterns that we follow.
00:49:28.000And when anybody opposes the structure that we've adopted as reality, then we fight with bike locks and fucking pepper-spraying girls with Trump hats on.
00:49:38.000And, you know, you find all sorts of...
00:49:42.000Insane justifications for racism, sexism, all sorts of crazy shit that if it would happen to anyone else other than the person that you're opposing, you would think of it as being a horrible front to everything that you stand for.
00:49:56.000But as long as it's a white man, who cares?
00:50:07.000When you see someone who does that from Antifa, it is exactly the same as that redneck who pulls out his gun and shoots at that black guy who's holding a torch.
00:51:01.000They want to do all the crazy things that they can to be something great.
00:51:04.000And there's other ones that want to get laid, and there's other ones that want to manipulate, and they still don't know who they are, they still don't know how to behave.
00:51:11.000Then you have these professors, and a lot of these professors went through this process, and then after they went through this process, they got their PhD, they wrote, and then they started teaching.
00:51:19.000And so they have never been outside the hallowed halls of academia since the time they were like 19. They've been going through the whole system.
00:51:28.000And some of them do it and they do it with balance and they figure out who they are and they take great pride in the fact that they can mold these young minds and give them information.
00:51:37.000And some of them are incredibly broken people who are never sexually viable when they were young and now they're in a position of power.
00:51:45.000And they virtue signal to a sickening degree.
00:51:48.000And you see them standing up for women above all else.
00:51:53.000Which is what happened with this whole Betsy DeVos thing.
00:51:56.000They're trying to push due process in the case of these sexual assault cases on campus.
00:52:13.000And I'm sorry, like, and I don't mean to also, like, you know, like, keep harping on this kind of left versus right thing, but it's hard for me.
00:52:19.000I almost want, like, some term to, like, define, but this left side of, like, on college campuses, this group, their position is simultaneously, I mean, it's really quite amazing, their position is that, and this is what basically what was just repealed now, but this is what the guidelines under Obama basically did on college campuses,
00:52:36.000they said, okay, there's no due process for men who are accused of rape.
00:52:40.000Oh, and by the way, And this isn't in the legislation.
00:53:21.000We're this guy suing now, and he has gone through hell for the last couple years.
00:53:25.000But it was a kid who was a student from Nigeria, and some girl who was in his class, and they hooked up, and they got together, and apparently they were slightly intoxicated, I think, on marijuana.
00:53:38.000The girl gave the guy a blowjob, and then she wanted to stop, and he was trying to get her to do it again, and she said no, and so they ended it.
00:54:02.000But I do know that it was essentially an awkward sexual exchange between young people.
00:54:07.000Which is just a part of being a young person who's having sex.
00:54:11.000When you're a person and you're 18 years old or whatever they were and you're in college and you're having sex and you're in some sort of a sexual scenario with a new person, how long have you been doing that?
00:54:40.000And it's a different, and forget even in sex and stuff like that, there's just things, how many things did you do at 20 where you'd look back and go, oh, what a douchey thing that was to do.
00:54:48.000Like, that's not how you treat someone.
00:54:50.000So this young guy, I think he was 19 at the time, somewhere in the college age, whatever it was, he's fucked.
00:54:57.000They labeled him some sort of a sexual predator.
00:55:00.000And he's in this terrible position where now he's suing the school, but it's going to take a long time before anything gets resolved.
00:55:06.000And, you know, we don't know the whole story of the case.
00:55:09.000But if the case is as he's representing it and as no one said he held her down, no one said he tried to rape her, no one said he threatened violence, no one said anything like that.
00:55:19.000Her version of the story is that they had some sort of a willing sexual encounter and she just didn't want to go any further and he asked her to and she said no and then it ended.
00:55:46.000Look, there's all sorts of mistakes you make when you're drunk.
00:55:49.000Why are they so much bigger if it's sex?
00:55:52.000And there's something about just using the word rape.
00:55:55.000I mean, it's like, look, rape is a particularly...
00:55:59.000horrific cutting word because of what a horrific crime it is and then to try to make everything else like it's literally I mean the extent they go it's almost like you know it's like if you if you punch someone in the arm and they go you committed arm murder or something like that it's like no you can't just you can't just throw that word at everything yeah I mean everybody wants to get rid of rapists it's worse than that because at least that's an assault At least it's an actual egregious offense.
00:56:23.000If you're talking about people having sex while they're drunk, there's no crime.
00:56:26.000So it would be like calling a glance murder.
00:56:34.000This is the whole thing that underpins the philosophy, which I find really terrifying, is that the idea of microaggression or social justice.
00:56:43.000It's like you take these terms like aggression or justice, that meant something.
00:56:47.000And now you've made them mean the opposite of what they mean.
00:56:50.000A microaggression is not an aggression, inherently.
00:57:37.000You can't have this conversation without free speech.
00:57:39.000We couldn't have this conversation if we were on a state-sponsored program.
00:57:44.000If we were on a corporate-sponsored program, we likely couldn't have this conversation without being interrupted or being lectured to or having some conversation with someone who says, hey, you can't say the word nigger.
00:58:07.000That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
00:58:08.000But that's, well, this is the rule, and this is how everybody operates.
00:58:11.000And there's a thing where it's not, I mean, it's not, if we're living in a world of, I can't commit a microaggression, I can't go down a path that might offend anybody, You need that freedom in order to find anything interesting.
00:58:25.000There's nothing worth saying if you're living in this world where you're like, oh, I can't get outside of this box.
00:58:34.000And I feel like people in America, it's almost like we've had it too good for too long, that people are removed from the fact that we can lose all this shit.
00:58:41.000It's like there's no respect for, like, what we have, how much higher a standard of living we live than the vast, you know, most humans that are alive today, and the vast majority of humans who have ever existed.
00:58:56.000I mean, I get this from a Jordan Peterson lecture, but he said it was in 1895, the average American lived on a dollar a day, adjusted for modern inflation.
00:59:06.000So in 1895, you know, it's like Central Asia-level poverty.
00:59:48.000He put it this way, where he goes, you know, in the year 1800...
00:59:51.000Because I was talking about what an incredible thing the 19th century was and how it transformed humanity.
00:59:55.000And he goes, in the year 1800, Americans are all making their own clothes.
00:59:59.000In the year 1900, Americans are shopping at Macy's.
01:00:04.000If you had sat in the year 1845 and been like, dude, in the next 65 years, slavery is going to be abolished in the West and we're going to have an industrial revolution.
01:00:24.000And like what you said, I think it's all about freedom.
01:00:27.000And when you have a guy like Bernie Sanders who harps on and on about income inequality, I have a real issue with that because it's one of those blanket statements that sounds really good at a campaign speech, but freedom itself breeds income inequality.
01:00:41.000Because freedom means you can do whatever you want.
01:00:43.000You can do very little, or you can work like a maniac.
01:00:46.000Well, if you're going to work like a maniac, if here's the game, okay?
01:00:49.000You do something for that something, you get currency, you use that currency to buy things, or to make sure you don't have to work again, buy food and goods and take trips and travel.
01:01:01.000The more you work, the more you decide that you want to pursue something, the more chances you have to acquire that currency if you do it correctly.
01:01:09.000That is income inequality due to freedom.
01:01:13.000I mean, take away all the other factors that might be in play, whether it's racial discrimination or sexual discrimination.
01:01:20.000I'm not denying that those things exist.
01:01:22.000But what I am saying is that the idea that you are going to have income equality in a capitalist society where anybody can do whatever they want, you know people.
01:01:31.000That is so counter to what we know about human behavior.
01:01:35.000You're talking about a fantasy person who doesn't exist, who has motivations outside of wealth, outside of, you know, most people want some sort of reward for what they do.
01:01:46.000And if everybody gets the same amount, there's no fucking reward for working extra hard.
01:01:57.000I mean, they talk about fairness a lot, which is a strange concept, but it's not just that somebody works twice as hard and doesn't get more.
01:02:03.000I mean, that's not the right thing to do.
01:02:05.000But like what you were saying, and I just think it's like they use the term so much, but what's misleading about it, you're absolutely right that freedom breeds inequality, but what's misleading about it is by that people think like the poor get poorer.
01:02:17.000And that is objectively false, demonstrably false.
01:02:21.000It's not that they make it out like the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, like that old saying, but it's like, if you think it through, that can't really continue like that.
01:02:29.000You're always going to have poor, you're always going to have rich, but if the poor work hard and figure they have a possibility to escape whatever economic situation they're in, it is possible with freedom.
01:02:40.000And homeless people here live better than rich people in third world countries, or certainly at least better than average people in third world countries.
01:02:48.000So it's not just that the inequality grows, it's like everything moves up and the inequality grows up here.
01:02:54.000This is what I can't understand, and again it's like what I was saying before, if you have any concept of the fact that we're by far the richest, freest human beings who have ever existed in recorded human history, at least recorded, Human history.
01:03:07.000Who knows what is going on in ancient Egypt?
01:03:48.000First off, he made a million dollars off a book.
01:04:02.000I think the world would be a better place if we had more social programs in place.
01:04:07.000I think the world would be a better place if colleges were free.
01:04:13.000Disagree with like the thought behind that I think they're all of these things would be better suited in voluntary Arrangements than some forced government monopoly, but I do agree with you that like sure I'd like great schools to be very affordable or free if possible I'd like everyone to be and Bernie Sanders certainly addressed some very real problems Yeah,
01:04:30.000like he would point things out that were very real like he would be like you know They claim it's a great recovery, but you know 90% of the new wealth has gone to the top three percent You know like he'd have some points Jackie Mason I only do one New York Jew, and that has to apply to every New York Jew who's out there.
01:04:49.000And I don't care if Bernie Sanders makes a million dollars, but there's something, like, number one, making a million dollars while claiming it's kind of a moral issue that some people have so much while others have so little.
01:05:32.000But the fact that Bernie Sanders never had a fiery speech about what happened at the DNC, about how they literally conspired to ruin him and to take him out of the race with Hillary, because the DNC wanted Hillary to be the candidate.
01:05:44.000They literally sabotaged Oh, they were very open.
01:05:46.000I mean, I shouldn't say they were very open about that.
01:05:48.000Openly, they lied and said, we don't have a pick.
01:05:50.000But the leaks that were weaponized were, I mean, really, some of it.
01:05:56.000I actually saw, I actually remember, it was one of the most surreal, and I'm a guy who's always preaching about how full of shit the media is, but even I've, like this last year, that'll give the Trump moment credit, even I've been like, holy shit, I can't believe it.
01:06:08.000But I was watching a We're good to go.
01:06:34.000Was that CNN leaked debate questions to Hillary Clinton before the debate.
01:06:41.000Like, you know, they sit here talking about undermining democracy for a month.
01:06:45.000What could do more to undermine democracy than the debate, the things that people actually watch and vote on in America?
01:06:52.000They gave Hillary Clinton the questions that were asked at the debate.
01:07:02.000Doesn't have a problem, doesn't have a moral issue with that, just takes them and pretends she's hearing the questions for the first time.
01:07:07.000And the show that I'm watching talk about this on CNN, that's talking about the weaponized information and not mentioning what the information was, the show is called Reliable Sources.
01:07:19.000It's a show where they break down the media.
01:08:39.000These motherfuckers, until it's like 51% approval rating, then all of a sudden they come to Jesus.
01:08:44.000I think they need 53. Yeah, it's like, right when it starts being a wedge issue, we can use.
01:08:49.000You know, right when Obama's going, oh, we need re-election, and I didn't end any of these wars, and Gitmo's still open.
01:08:54.000It's like if you were a comic, but the only way you could work is if somebody gave you an earpiece and they fed you great lines.
01:08:59.000Like, you couldn't just ad-lib yourself.
01:09:01.000Like, if you were doing this podcast, and while you're doing this podcast, Big J's over in the corner, feeding you lines through one of your earpieces, right?
01:10:05.000And so when he left, they had a bunch of guys sit in that chair, and one of them was Artie, and Artie wound up taking that job.
01:10:11.000And part of Artie's job was to feed Howard lines.
01:10:14.000And that kid Benji, he's really funny, man.
01:10:17.000He would write down stuff and feed Howard funny lines.
01:10:20.000So he has a few guys on the side that would toss him stuff.
01:10:23.000Which is essentially what a politician does, right?
01:10:26.000A politician, you're not going to get They're full, unadulterated ideas, except for Trump.
01:10:32.000And that's one of the things that was so refreshing about Trump, even though it was a shitty message, even though there's a poverty of words and the way he spoke and there was this clunkiness to it all.
01:10:43.000Well, there certainly is a clunkiness.
01:11:50.000But Trump is hated, and I gotta be honest, if you ask people on the left why they hate him, I think they struggle to give you a really good, honest answer for it.
01:12:08.000Right, they were worried about that, although...
01:12:10.000I gotta say, the EPA thing, I don't think any of this is actually the source of the Trump hatred.
01:12:15.000I think this is like, we hate Trump, and now, what's he doing that's terrible?
01:12:18.000So we're going to get evidence against him.
01:12:21.000The truth is, what they'll say nine out of ten times if I present this to a left-wing person, I'll go like, oh, you know, he's pretty much continuing all the Obama policies, or it's, you know, virtually the same, which I think is one of the really big stories of the Trump era so far, that how much is the same since Obama?
01:13:03.000Okay, I'm putting that in domestic policy in my mind, but yeah, fair enough.
01:13:07.000Well, in foreign policy, speaking about, because I was saying nine out of ten times, the answer to me is they go, well, that's kind of your white privilege, and if you were in one of these groups that's worried about being deported, you would feel differently.
01:13:20.000But the fact is that deportations are down under Trump.
01:13:56.000And Trump was like this unapologetic, white, Rich man who didn't play the PC game and spoke of minorities not in like a glowing, I'm so sorry, like minorities are better than me, I'm the evil white guy.
01:14:13.000He would say, you know, some nice things about minorities when asked, but his central message was like, our team's great.
01:14:19.000And this to me is, I think, the reason why left-wing people's blood boil with Trump.
01:14:24.000Well, there's just so many pieces of evidence that point to corruption with Russia.
01:14:28.000So many pieces of evidence that point to the idea that this guy is operating in the interest of himself and of big business, and that he's profiting in a huge way off being the president.
01:14:40.000And one of the ways they're doing that, they're not rolling back the Environmental Protection Agency standards because they don't believe in them.
01:14:47.000They're rolling it back because it's impeding business.
01:14:49.000That's infuriating a lot of people on the left.
01:14:51.000That scares the shit out of people when you have some crazy old man who's just doing everything for profit.
01:14:57.000Some guy who wants to literally, like, start diss fights with basketball players.
01:15:04.000And that host from, that was the thing, we talked about this before, but the host from ESPN who had tweeted all some stuff about him being a white supremacist, and then he asked for ESPN to apologize.
01:15:15.000I'm like, hey, how come you didn't talk about her, man?
01:15:38.000But my point is just that that is not at all different with Trump.
01:15:41.000I mean, like, the corruption under Obama was...
01:15:45.000I mean, Obama just went and collected $400,000 for a speech to Wall Street.
01:15:53.000So he's in there a couple months ago, right?
01:15:56.000But don't they all do that once they get out?
01:15:57.000Yes, but Obama's like, you're in there, you preside over the bailouts of the banks, started under Bush but continued under Obama, and the big ones, the Fed policy, which really bailed them out.
01:16:06.000You're in there, you take all this money for your campaigns, you vote every way that they want you to, you preside over the biggest profits...
01:16:41.000And of course, she didn't, but WikiLeaks did get their hands on one of them, in which she said something that kind of indicated why she didn't release the transcripts.
01:16:49.000Because she actually said, I'm lying to the public.
01:16:52.000I mean, not literally, but she basically said to all these bankers to not be concerned about...
01:16:57.000Because, you know, her public rhetoric at the time was like, you know, no one's too big to fail, no banker too big to jail!
01:17:02.000And then she basically said to them, in this speech that WikiLeaks leaked the transcript of, where she was like, you know, you have to take one public position, and then hold a different position in private.
01:17:47.000Sure, but I think he's been kind of consistent.
01:17:49.000It's almost like everybody else is changing their tune.
01:17:52.000I feel like the Democrats, to me, and the people who follow them, and the Trump haters, it's insane how much they've changed their positions.
01:17:59.000To me, Julian Assange was exposing all this bullshit under Bush.
01:18:02.000He exposes all the shit about Clinton and Obama.
01:18:04.000And it was like, yeah, from my perspective, they're all part of the same network, so he's kind of exposing the same network.
01:18:09.000Whereas the Democrats became cold warriors.
01:18:13.000The Democrats, as soon as Trump got in, it's like, well, everything the CIA has taken without any evidence being presented, and Russia is the evil threat of our time.
01:18:21.000When did you guys become Republicans from the 70s?
01:18:40.000But I see these guys who are like, they're like, oh, you want, you know, you want to talk about patriotism and, like, bashing Trump for being a draft dodger?
01:20:19.000Bipartisan sort of or bipartisan open-minded group that's just trying to disseminate information They think is critical to the American people that they're being denied like the casual What would it call the casualties?
01:20:33.000What was that one video that they had?
01:20:36.000There was a video that one of the first videos was I forget what they called it, but they had a Footage from one of those gunships, one of those helicopters.
01:20:46.000They showed these guys sort of casually talking about gunning down these reporters.
01:20:50.000They thought these reporters were carrying guns and so they just opened fire on them and gunned them down, including a bunch of civilians.
01:20:58.000I forget what it was called I forget but that that sort of like they they felt like they had some Information that people weren't aware of they weren't allowed to see photos of caskets They weren't allowed to get the full They weren't allowed to have a really informed opinion and what exactly is happening there and when they see the horrors of war in that regard like we see people like sort of casually talk about gunning down some people and I think there were kids in their car Well,
01:21:24.000they shouldn't have brought kids, you know, like that was like one of the things they had said like that whole thing was like whoa We are better off knowing that this is what can happen if you just allow people to just go to war, and especially some really ambiguous war on terror.
01:21:36.000That's what WikiLeaks stood for, right?
01:21:38.000WikiLeaks stood for Chelsea Manning, aka Bradley Manning, releasing this information, someone who was...
01:22:17.000And exposed a ton of really interesting stuff.
01:22:20.000I mean, what we learned from the Bradley Manning dump...
01:22:24.000It was, you know, like, all this crazy shit about war crimes.
01:22:27.000And then, like, we learned about how there were, like, U.S. officials trying to, like, influence the British Parliament, trying to influence, like, reporters and just all this shady shit that came out.
01:22:40.000And then again, it becomes this kind of, like, integrity test for the mainstream media where they just have no interest in it.
01:22:46.000I mean, if they talk about it, they'll talk about Chelsea Manning, but that's the story.
01:23:10.000And even within that context, and a lot of people like, and this is where there's this weird disconnect between like, There's like the mainstream media and then all of the alternative internet media.
01:23:18.000And there certainly is a ton of bullshit in the alternative internet media world and a lot of just straight out false stories.
01:23:24.000But then there are people also talking about the truth there, whereas none of that seems to enter the mainstream media.
01:23:29.000So what gets brought up online and in the alternative media, which should be at the center of this story, is that like...
01:23:36.000Like, the players didn't used to be on the field for the National Anthem.
01:23:39.000For, like, the vast majority, I think it was 2009 or 2010, the Defense Department cuts these huge checks to the NFL, and then all of a sudden they get the players out on the field so we can do this whole tribute thing, and the military-industrial complex has been, like, working on taking this, like, pastime, the number one sport in America,
01:24:38.000Don't you think it's the exact same thing as what we were talking about with people in academia and on the left that don't look at things that are in opposition to the groupthink of their ideology?
01:24:48.000I think it's a lot of that, and it's like this thing where there's this, it's almost like unspoken, unwritten pressure, where you just kind of know.
01:24:56.000It's like, right, you have this herd mentality, and you know if I step out here, I get bashed.
01:25:03.000Like, you know, you were talking about the people who are professors, and they're certainly very, very smart people, lots of very, very smart people, but it is a certain personality type.
01:25:12.000You know, it's like that person who, like, you go to school your whole life, then you go to college, Then you go to grad school, then you teach, and you've basically just been in college your whole life.
01:25:20.000Did you see that video of that woman at the Berkeley protest where she's screaming, I'm a fucking professor!
01:25:49.000Yeah, but there's okay, so there's that that woman who you're talking about and and oh Yeah, she is whatever whatever the Scientology whatever the top level is like I'm saying that's it's left-wing level five Yeah, you've achieved the height of those people are literally mentally disturbed people like these are this is a woman with videos gone I gotta find it impossible.
01:26:08.000Well, this one is take go to 4chan I don't believe those geniuses at 4chan haven't kept this gem.
01:28:04.000It says, I'm a fucking professor, how dare you?
01:28:07.000I'm a professor was not what you expected the next line to be.
01:28:09.000I'm a fucking professor, how dare you?
01:28:12.000So, there's, well, you know, also from my perspective, like, as a libertarian, you just look at that and you're like, wow, what a naked, like, example of, you're just calling the state Calling the authority of the state because you believe this ridiculous micro-aggressive aggression like, you know, world view.
01:29:27.000I know you've gone over a bunch on your show before, but there's nothing better to me than someone really believing in a martial art that doesn't work and finding out in a fight that that martial art doesn't work.
01:29:36.000It was amazing through the early UFCs when it used to happen.
01:29:38.000You'll find internet videos that have it.
01:29:40.000The fact that it's still going on in 2016 and 17 has been some of the best videos ever, especially out of China, where they had that one guy had to go into hiding.
01:29:48.000He brained some fucking poor slob that thought he knew kung fu.
01:29:52.000You know, some dude really thought he was going to cheat-touch this guy, and this Chinese kid who knows MMA, Fuck this guy up and how to go into hiding because so many people are mad at him for Using martial arts techniques that didn't originate in China to sort of denigrate Chinese martial arts man Yeah myth verse reality always interesting.
01:30:12.000They are fighting against the exposing of their bullshit nonsensical Fucking tiger claw shit.
01:30:20.000And you've got an entire identity associated with this being real.
01:30:23.000Meanwhile, the guy who did it is also Chinese.
01:30:26.000So China is apparently, like Asia in particular, is where a lot of the martial arts techniques that people use today originated, and they were sort of adapted, and they were changed, and they evolved, particularly in In Thailand, they really started understanding how to kick the legs,
01:30:41.000and they became masters at using the elbows and the knees, more so than...
01:30:45.000And they did it through competition, which is really quite fascinating.
01:30:57.000They might have hundreds and hundreds of fights in their career by the time they retire.
01:31:00.000They developed a real acute understanding of what actually works and what doesn't work.
01:31:05.000Whereas in these other worlds, they didn't do that.
01:31:08.000They weren't like this small island that's filled with hedonists that are gambling, kicking each other in the legs and betting on the guy, kicking the guy.
01:31:16.000That's really what developed that art.
01:31:18.000But then there's other ones that sort of stayed in this non-evolved state.
01:31:21.000And then as the material sort of got out to all of the world and people started evolving the techniques, it all...
01:31:29.000Coalesce together in the Ultimate Fighting Championship, and then we realize, okay, it's a combination of these things, doesn't necessarily always work on every individual, and styles sort of determined interactions, and athletes determine whether or not something is effective or ineffective as much as the technique itself.
01:31:46.000The athleticism, speed, and power of the practitioner is very important, but all told, these are the things that we think are pretty effective.
01:31:55.000Yeah, you keep learning new information, but you figure out pretty quickly, like, okay, like, wrestling and, you know, crane kicks are not the same thing.
01:32:03.000This guy used Western boxing techniques and Muay Thai and wrestling and jiu-jitsu and just beat the holy fuck out of this poor, I mean, did it like 10 seconds, beat the holy fuck out of this poor kung fu guy, and then he had to go into hiding.
01:32:34.000And so if they all came after Anthony Joshua because he beat the shit out of the white power boxer, that's exactly what's going on in China.
01:33:09.000He's not like used to even like being in this situation.
01:33:11.000But he must have believed that it was gonna work.
01:33:13.000He must have believed that he was capable of fending off attacks.
01:33:17.000I'd imagine, and he's doing that crazy shit where they're like trying to, you know, it's like, I don't remember in MMA, what was a guy, I can't remember his name, it was like some really, really Asian name, but the dude who fought Nick Diaz, you called the fight, uh, it was like back, an old Nick Diaz fight before he left the UFC, and the guy tried this crazy technique, he tried like,
01:33:32.000hands out here, I'm gonna like, block your punches with punches, there was like a short Asian dude.
01:33:38.000Maybe Kakuno, I think you're thinking of Tony Ferguson, I think you're thinking of Kakuno.
01:33:43.000It's 100% a Nick Diaz fight, and you called it.
01:33:47.000You called it, and I remember you saying during the thing, you were like, you say before the fight, you go, this is really weird.
01:33:52.000He was doing this stuff before, like, in the Octagon warm-up, and he comes out, like, doing it, and you're like, okay, he's gonna try to fight Nick Diaz with this weird stuff, like, where he's trying to...
01:34:00.000Whatever it's doing, like, this kind of, like...
01:34:02.000Like, style of trying to block by, like, hitting their hands with your hands way out?
01:34:10.000I'm remembering Tony Ferguson fighting this guy who was a bad motherfucker in Pride, and his name was Cocuno, and he used to fight like that.
01:37:00.000I got a book when I was a kid about Taekwondo techniques.
01:37:03.000And this one old dude would practice in the park by kicking trees.
01:37:07.000And the way he would kick trees is with the ball of his foot.
01:37:10.000He would throw a roundhouse kick and kick the ball of his foot into the tree.
01:37:14.000And it was a really funny book because in one of the things where he described all various self-defense techniques, he described what to do if you're ever threatened by someone.
01:37:23.000And one of the things you should do is kick a tree.
01:37:25.000So show them, like if you kick a tree, what you could do to them.
01:37:29.000Which probably isn't actually bad advice.
01:38:23.000And you gotta think, by the time these guys got to the UFC, they had been brained so many fucking times, especially fighting in Pride and K1. Oh, yeah.
01:39:12.000Worse than the same day probably because you're like you got all the soreness that like comes in two days later Your fucking face is all swollen.
01:39:18.000You can't see you have to have sunglasses everywhere You definitely can't take a punch like the whole idea is so stupid and they don't do that I mean maybe they've done that a couple of times throughout history But that's not a standard thing in this movie warrior.
01:39:30.000They just added their own Hollywood jizz to the soup like let me just change it You're gonna fight.
01:39:35.000He's gonna fight his brother in the next day.
01:40:50.000And it makes it impossible for someone like you to enjoy.
01:40:53.000Because it's like if anyone who knows fighting can enjoy.
01:40:55.000Which, by the way, I will say, and I do, even when we talk about old school UFC, there's something about that, like, I'm nostalgic for it.
01:41:00.000I know you can't have it now, it has to be the sport it is now, and it's evolved way past there.
01:41:04.000But there was just something so cool about the old UFC, and there was something about the Conor versus Floyd fight that almost gave you that feeling again of like these two guys from different worlds going in there and like how does this like how does a guy who's doing MMA striking and fucking doing like Capoeira stuff on the side how does he go in there and box and then it turned out Connor actually was just like oh no you gotta box can't do any of that stuff you get destroyed so he just went out there and boxed but it was an interesting like I came out of it I was arguing with a lot of friends of mine who are like big boxing
01:41:42.000Like when you look at MMA the way you look at MMA is like the sport of fighting and the original thing was always figuring out who's better at fighting and how he does.
01:41:50.000It was just hard for me to not look at the fight.
01:41:53.000With Connor and Floyd and go like, you know, it's like when there was the first clinch, Louis J. Gomez said this to me, is the first clinch of the fight.
01:42:02.000He goes, well, that's where Connor would destroy him.
01:42:04.000And then you just sit there watching ten rounds of a referee saving Floyd Mayweather's life.
01:42:10.000Like, every few seconds, the referee comes in and goes, oh, let me save your life.
01:42:15.000I know you're the greatest ever at this, but you need, even under your rules with your gloves and your this, you need a ref to keep coming in and saving your life every few seconds.
01:42:23.000And you'd see it, like, every time they clinched, like, Conor would immediately, almost just instinctually, just, like, kind of take his back.
01:42:38.000And it's just hard to not watch that and go, oh.
01:42:40.000If he wanted to, he would jump on his back and choke him to death.
01:42:43.000And even in your sport, he went ten rounds.
01:42:48.000And okay, I know what Mayweather did was brilliant, and he dragged him in, he played it safe and perfectly, but it wasn't a part of the plan to eat that uppercut on the chin.
01:42:55.000That definitely wasn't a part of the plan.
01:42:57.000And also, I think there's, boxers punch a lot harder than MMA guys do, and there's truth to that too, so Conor's power didn't translate in the way that MMA fans thought it would.
01:43:06.000Well, he's just not quite as fluid, and also I think he was probably very nervous.
01:43:11.000I mean, he's fighting literally the greatest fighter of all time in his first professional boxing match.
01:43:27.000So I thought it was like 94% that Floyd would beat the shit out of Conor the way he did.
01:43:32.000And that Conor would eventually get tired.
01:43:34.000The guy who did the best assessment of it, in my opinion, was John Donaher.
01:43:39.000John Donaher, who's a brilliant jiu-jitsu coach, also a brilliant MMA coach, has got a deep understanding of it.
01:43:44.000He basically spelled out exactly what's going to happen because of all the times he's seen of boxers sparring with elite martial artists that the mixed martial artist does well for a few rounds because it takes a while for the boxer to figure out the timing.
01:43:56.000And then the efficiency and fluidity of the boxer starts to take over the ring generalship, the understanding of this one isolated particular discipline, and then they dominate.
01:44:05.000And that's exactly what happened to a T. What I said is I think there's a 94% chance that Floyd Mayweather just boxes the shit out of Conor McGregor.
01:44:14.000There is a 4% chance that Conor catches him with an uppercut like he did in the first round and actually stuns him and hurts him.
01:44:21.000And then swarms on him and takes him out.
01:44:25.000It's whether or not he executed that power like he has in MMA, whether he felt he could drain his gas tank like that, especially with two months worth of training.
01:44:47.000Because Floyd's not going to knock him out with one punch, and Conor could kick his fucking legs out from under him before he got even close enough to punch him, and if they did get to a clinch, which they absolutely would, Conor would ragdoll him to the ground and beat his fucking brains in before he strangled him.
01:45:01.000Like 100%, even if you just, look, if you just take out even grappling, I agree with you that Connor's a master of range and he's got excellent kicks.
01:45:09.000He can kick the shit out of him and stay out of the area where he's, you know, just stay out of his punching range and kick him in the legs and the body.
01:45:15.000Well, even if he can clinch, if you don't break him up when he clinches and he can throw knees to the body, you're fucked.
01:45:25.000No, you don't know what the fuck to do when a guy's doing that.
01:45:28.000You don't know how to deal with those knees to the face like when Anderson Silva fucked up Rich Franklin to win the title, when he just plumbed the back of his head and just started smashing knees in his face, and he was clear that Rich really didn't know, he didn't have an answer to that.
01:45:39.000Which was an amazing thing because that was one of those moments like everyone in the MMA world thought Rich was the best.
01:45:44.000Or not MMA world, everyone in the UFC world kind of thought Rich Franklin was the best.
01:45:48.000But I mean, that's why I correct myself, because people who knew the MMA scene better and Pride and that stuff knew what Anderson Silva was.
01:45:54.000But like the average fan of the UFC had just been, we hadn't really seen Anderson Silva.
01:45:59.000I hadn't seen one or two tapes of him on Pride.
01:46:02.000And I saw him like, maybe not Pride, I saw him the one where he got ankle locked real quick.
01:46:37.000I hadn't seen any of that, and I guess most UFC fans hadn't seen that either, and they saw Rich Franklin as the champ, had beat up a bunch of guys.
01:46:44.000The odds were actually in Anderson's favor, though.
01:46:50.000Where the oddsmakers, when he fought Chris Lieben, he was a slight favorite in his first UFC fight, and I was like, get ready for some crazy shit, because this motherfucker's on a totally different level.
01:47:01.000I'd seen him fight Jorge Rivera and Lee Murray.
01:47:04.000I saw him hit Tony Ferguson with a step-in uppercut elbow that he had practiced on a pillow at home.
01:47:10.000He made his wife hold a pillow and practiced this technique because he wanted to use it in his fights and his coaches wouldn't hold the pads for him because they thought it was ridiculous.
01:47:53.000Fricklin was in one of the first UFCs that I ever worked in 1997. He was there.
01:48:00.000And so that was like his debut in the UFC. I was there when he had his debut.
01:48:05.000So Anderson was just lighting him on fire before he decided to step in and uppercut him.
01:48:09.000But I just knew he was on just such a different level.
01:48:12.000But that was a really important learning moment for MMA because people knew like, okay, if you get in a fight and a guy is a more Thai practitioner on the level of Anderson Silva, you better learn how to deal with this goddamn clinch.
01:48:26.000So here's Anderson versus Tony Fricklin.
01:48:29.000And this is Anderson, in my opinion, maybe his prime ever.
01:48:33.000Because he hadn't taken on all the damage and all the crazy fights that he had in the UFC. And by the time he got to Chris Weidman, I mean, he was in his 30s, he was getting older, his body was starting to not perform the way it used to, and then, obviously...
01:48:49.000He fucked up and stood in front of Weidman and got left hooked in the head while he was clowning him.
01:48:53.000And then it's a lot tougher to come back when you're 40 now and have taken these losses.
01:48:57.000But his Muay Thai back then was so fucking tight.
01:48:59.000And it was just so levels above what everyone else was doing.
01:49:03.000They just didn't belong in there with him.
01:49:05.000Like, look how he's moving around, just sort of like feeling out Tony, trying to find out what Tony's capable of, trying to decide when to move.
01:49:14.000Because he's setting up the web, and he's moving around, and eventually he's gonna sting you, and you know it's coming, and you know by the time you're moving at him, look at that, boom, one, two, he starts kicking you, and now he's coming after you.
01:50:05.000He's already fucked here, because he's eaten a bunch of really hard shots of the body.
01:50:08.000And even though he's moving okay, he's like really compromised.
01:50:11.000Look at that beautiful right hook and then left kick, left low kick.
01:50:15.000And Anderson fought a lot from the southpaw stance.
01:50:18.000He could fight from any position he wanted to, but he fought a lot from the southpaw stance, which is also an advantage to a lot of people.
01:50:23.000It's amazing how much MMA guys make it look like...
01:50:54.000And it was one of those moments where, particularly you have, I've had a lot in watching MMA where when someone comes in and beats someone else at their strength, and then you have to reorganize your mind where you're like, oh, I thought that guy was like, I thought Franklin was a knockout artist.
01:51:12.000And then a guy like that lets you know, oh, there's another world.
01:51:16.000Well you know it's like you got these guys like the Chinese Kung Fu guy and then you have all these different levels these like steps along the way in the spectrum and then you've got like Muay Thai of Anderson but then you got like Muay Thai of Sanchai in Thailand it's like several levels past Anderson and Bua Cao and Rob Deck- Ramon Decker's and Rob Kamen and the greats you know Ernesto Hoos these guys are like even further past that you know there's all these crazy crazy crazy levels to this thing And,
01:51:46.000you know, when you see a guy like Anderson, you see, just like for the first time, it was in the UFC, where you have like legitimate world-class, maybe not the best ever in Muay Thai, but legitimate world-class Muay Thai skills.
01:51:58.000Watching him fight, that's like a professional Muay Thai fighter.
01:52:00.000And it seems to me like, for whatever reason, I think because on its own it works better in a real fight, so the grappling stuff in MMA, like, pretty quickly we got very high-level grapplers.
01:52:22.000You know, you got Olympic-level wrestlers in there pretty quickly.
01:52:25.000Like, I mean, it wasn't too long before, like, Dan Severin and Mark Coleman and guys like that who had, like, legit wrestling credits came in.
01:52:32.000But it took a long time before you got, like, really, really high-level strikers.
01:53:24.000But Boss had that Holland style and as an MMA fighter, he was like one of the first guys we ever saw that could kick so fucking hard.
01:53:31.000But if you watch this fight, what you learn is like what Conor McGregor figured out.
01:53:36.000What Conor McGregor figured out is that what holds a lot of these guys back is movement.
01:53:40.000And so if you look at Tony Fricklin as he's moving towards Anderson, his movement, he's very limited.
01:53:45.000Like he can't cover distance quick enough.
01:53:47.000He has to make these little hop steps, hop steps.
01:53:49.000He can't just slide in and blast things.
01:53:52.000Conor is fluid with his movement in and out to the point where he can step forward, and obviously wouldn't be able to do that with Anderson Silva, but he can step forward and step in and step out.
01:54:03.000Like when he fought Jose Aldo, one of the most important parts of that fight was that Aldo was trying to figure out the movement of Conor.
01:54:11.000Go to that fight, Jose Aldo versus Conor McGregor, and what Conor was doing so good was sliding forward and sliding back.
01:54:20.000There's like that one moment, because it's a very short fight, but there's the one moment where he like feints a thing and jumps back.
01:54:45.000It's very interesting to me too because it was a different intensity in his movement than like when he fought other guys like Chad Mendez another because he respected what Aldo throws like Aldo throws heat and especially in that first round when Aldo's furious at you for disrespecting him like he knows he's coming with like a bomb But yeah,
01:55:13.000But people hadn't figured it out in MMA yet.
01:55:15.000I mean, if you look at a lot of what Conor had done with his stance and his movement, a lot of it resembles what you see in the karate point tournaments, where they would leap in and drop a shot on you and leap out.
01:55:25.000But they weren't fighting stationary people like Aldo that just charged forward.
01:55:29.000But Aldo got used to fighting in that manner.
01:55:32.000Fighting Muay Thai guys and that kind of MMA look.
01:55:48.000Now all of a sudden he adopted this style.
01:55:49.000And you're like, holy shit, this style gives people real problems in MMA. And it's like, I mean, maybe I'm wrong about this, but it reminds me a little bit of almost like Machida type thing.
01:56:04.000It's like this weird evolution, like once you have all the other shit.
01:56:07.000And what Conor does is he's also got really good traditional boxing.
01:56:10.000A lot of MMA guys couldn't do 10 rounds with Mayweather.
01:56:15.000He's also got boxing, so he can kind of mix it up With, like, traditional boxing attacks and this crazy other shit.
01:56:21.000So what's crazy about him is he'll be, like, throwing, like, these crazy spinning, like, cartwheel kicks, and then he'll just have, like, a one-two that was, like, perfect.
01:56:30.000Which, that's new to MMA. We haven't seen a lot of that in the past.
01:57:17.000But that was like at least to me like a little like glimpse of like oh well maybe if this guy is this good a grappler and is figuring striking out like this maybe he's the guy who could you know like be a good a good contender.
01:57:28.000It may may happen very well I mean he might challenge him one day but what Henry Cejudo represents is like extreme talent a real sponge for knowledge and information and he's got a guy that's in his division that's the king that's in my opinion the greatest martial artist of all time.
01:57:43.000I don't think there's anybody that's been a better representation of what's possible in modern martial arts better than Mighty Mouse.
01:57:50.000Because he just doesn't get hit, and he fucks everybody up, and you can't hit him, man.
01:57:53.000He's coming at you, and then all of a sudden he's over here, and then you got a knee in your body, and then you got punched in the face, and you're trying to figure out what the fuck's happening.
01:57:59.000All of a sudden you're on your back, and he's dropping hammer fists on you, and by the time you're reacting to that, he's got you in an armbar.
01:58:05.000You're like, what the fuck just happened to me?
01:58:36.000Oh, it is a crazy sport, and it seems like nobody can escape it.
01:58:41.000It takes the toughest, most invincible person you can think of.
01:58:46.000Anderson Silva was a ninja, an untouchable ninja, and then you see him crying in the center of the ring with a shattered, not shattered, but whatever, a split-up shinboat.
02:00:03.000It seemed, in the fight, like that made a big difference.
02:00:07.000Pretty hard to argue because Kane is known as being the cardio king.
02:00:11.000Fabricio, no, knock on his cardio, but that's not what he's known for.
02:00:14.000He's not known for being like the cardio.
02:00:15.000And to see him outlast him, it was like, oh yeah.
02:00:18.000It's almost like Kane had so much confidence in his cardio, because this is what he's been known for since before he got in the UFC. He's got this unbelievable tank that he was like, no, I'll be fine with that.
02:00:30.000But I'll say, and I know he's an injury case, but the Kane Velasquez that showed up to UFC 200 that fought Travis Brown, I don't see any heavyweight beating that guy.
02:02:00.000He made a mistake and I think he made that mistake because he got caught before that.
02:02:04.000I think he got clipped before that and he got emotional because he got clipped and he tried to just like really ramp it up and overcompensate.
02:02:10.000Like if you watch that fight, before Stipe knocks him out, he catches him a couple times.
02:02:23.000Put away Aleister Overeem, arguably the greatest striker who ever fought in MMA. You know, K-1 Grand Prix champion, Strikeforce champion, Dream champion.
02:02:31.000Got dropped and got right back up and knocked him out.
02:03:40.000And so, like, in general, probably every high-level MMA, UFC fighter at this point, I mean, what they're doing to their body, what they're putting their body through is, It's like really pushing yourself to the absolute limit constantly.
02:03:54.000Then, as you mentioned, his style is particularly physical.
02:03:59.000And he comes from a camp that's notoriously a very, very tough camp.
02:04:04.000Those guys are known for getting in wars and really, really training hard.
02:04:08.000So I'm sure all of that shit doesn't It's too bad because if Kane had such amazing cardio and great footwork and beautiful striking technique as well as like real elite wrestling technique, if Kane fought more in a Mighty Mouse sense, it's just one of the reasons what made Mighty Mouse so good,
02:04:25.000is that like if Kane used his cardio not in like a blunt way but more in a surgical way.
02:04:31.000You know, if Kane, like in the Junior Dos Santos fight in particular, he caught him like real early in the second fight and clipped him with the right hand and hurt him and rocked him and just decided to maul him.
02:05:19.000It's kind of one of the things Mayweather was talking about.
02:05:22.000I see him, like, in a few different interviews leading up to the Conner fight.
02:05:25.000But just talking about the fact, like, it's a crazy thing that, like, it does almost seem like fans like the guy who takes a lot of head damage more.
02:06:21.000Like, I mean, who doesn't love, you know, Travis Brown vs.
02:06:23.000Andrei Orlovsky, like, a fight like that.
02:06:24.000I mean, it's like, and to see things like, to see somebody come back after getting, like, There's something incredible about that.
02:06:32.000It's an amazing thing that MMA... When you were talking about Stipe not knowing whether it was a kick or a punch, it's this amazing thing that MMA does where you find out someone's true character when they're in a storm.
02:06:48.000You know it's just a little bit different like there's human elements involved too and like you got a family you got kids you want to think for the rest of your life you want to like and how can you argue with Floyd I mean the guy made the most money and took the least damage yeah and has the best record I mean how can you argue with that and figured out a way to neutralize really dangerous people like Canelo Alvarez Forget about the Conor fight.
02:07:12.000Conor was obviously outmatched, but if you look at his fights with really elite knockout artists like Manny Pacquiao neutralized him.
02:07:38.000I was on a radio show that Brian Stan called into.
02:07:43.000It was an MMA radio show on Sirius Radio that they used to use me on sometimes, and Brian Stan called in.
02:07:47.000I remember he was just talking about, like, I forget what the topic was.
02:07:51.000At first it was like Joe Silva had just left and he wasn't matchmaking anymore and he just started talking about how tough the job is of matchmaking and how much it fucks with you when someone gets knocked out real bad and then you're like, ah, maybe I shouldn't have made that match.
02:08:35.000Yeah, so he's in LA, and Lewis is in New York, and they Skype it.
02:08:37.000And then, like, when they're on the coast, they'll do it together.
02:08:40.000But, uh, but so, you know, like, you get to know him, like, hang a few times, and, like, your friends, and then you're kind of like, oh, yeah, no, I don't want to see you go fight one of these killers.
02:09:15.000And I know it's going to be a mismatch.
02:09:18.000You find out somebody you really care for is going to fight somebody that is just going to light him up, and you're like, ooh, how are you going to win this?
02:09:25.000You had that very public moment with Brendan Shaw, but it was a very interesting, compelling moment because it's like a thing where it's like, yeah, you're talking to your friend, but you're also an MMA analyst.
02:09:36.000I'm talking to a good friend who I knew as a good friend was already one foot out the door and had a bunch of other things that were going on and was one of the rare guys that has massive potential to do things outside the sport.
02:09:50.000Look, I mean, he's smashing it with his podcast, smashing it with the Fighter and the Kid podcast he does with Count, smashing it with his live touring.
02:10:59.000You told me last time I was on the show that you've experienced that smart guys have a tougher time coming back from getting knocked out.
02:11:07.000Because I found that really interesting.
02:11:08.000Maybe that's part of the case with him.
02:11:09.000It's like it's hard to avoid knowing the information.
02:11:12.000Yeah, well, certainly, I mean, if you're a person who...
02:11:15.000I mean, you could be a smart person and just compartmentalize things and figure out how to control the variables in your mind and just be refocused on what you're doing.
02:11:22.000It's not to say that people who come back aren't smart.
02:11:25.000But I think, I mean, people, it's not to say also that people who fight aren't smart, because a lot of people think of fighters as not being smart.
02:12:05.000There's a lot of guys who fight that just aren't like that though.
02:12:09.000There's a lot of guys who are just like super aggressive and they just do well and they kick ass and, you know, the guys who know that they're experiencing traumatic brain injury.
02:12:21.000They understand the consequences are, they're unavoidable.
02:12:25.000Unless there's some new medical breakthrough that allows you to heal CTE, which is super possible.
02:12:44.000When I first met him, he had already had, like...
02:12:47.000I mean in his life I want to say he's had more than 20 knee surgeries and I think I'm being super conservative because I think it's way more than that I think he literally had he's had 50 surgeries including eye surgeries he's had shoulder surgery everything but when I met him his knees were so fucked up he had these big slices up and down the side of his knees where they had opened him up and tried to screw things back together again from skiing just mangling his knees in the old days of skiing And
02:13:17.000those same operations today, I have one on this knee, you can't even see the scar.
02:13:22.000It's little tiny dots because they did it arthroscopically and they put in a cadaver unit and it healed.
02:13:27.000In six months I was doing jujitsu again.
02:13:29.000No pain, no loss of range of motion, everything feels stronger than it felt before.
02:13:33.000So like that's just the medical science that occurred in 20 years.
02:13:38.00020 years from his operation to my operation.
02:13:42.000It's totally possible they'll develop some sort of stem cell technique to regenerate brain tissue.
02:13:46.000Yeah, well, this is why it's so it's so crazy the moment in human history we're at where we're like guys if we can just not kill each other for like another couple years We might do some really beautiful amazing shit, right?
02:13:57.000Like we really might we might it's really why it's crazy that one of our big threats is North Korea.
02:14:03.000Yeah Because that represents one of the oldest styles of running a country ever.
02:14:24.000Yes, it's an excellent book, and he's just a fascinating human being, that guy.
02:14:29.000But it's like you have, as we were saying before, it's like a hostage situation, but the guy holding the hostages has nukes, which makes that a very different type of hostage situation.
02:14:44.000But there also is, like, people, because, again, the media, which just absolutely has a blind spot for, like, the military-industrial complex and the horror of American wars.
02:14:54.000So you don't get the full picture, I think.
02:14:57.000Like, to me, it's very logical why he's shooting off rockets left and right.
02:15:03.000I mean, self-preservation is a pretty obvious motivator.
02:15:07.000And people like Gaddafi who come out and say, oh, okay, international community, you said you don't want us to have nuclear arms, so then we'll disarm.
02:16:15.000Like the way he talks shit about Rosie O'Donnell, he's calling this guy Rocket Man.
02:16:18.000Which I kind of like with Rosie O'Donnell.
02:16:19.000You know, there's a thing about Trump, I'm no fan of his, but there's something, I kind of get a thrill, I get a kick out of how he'd, you know, piss off people who I'm not a huge fan of.
02:16:49.000So she made a thing on the show where there was a picture on Time Magazine with Trump like this, with his hands under his arms, and she made a joke on the show, and she goes, oh, how come he doesn't want to show his hands?
02:17:24.000Now, then, of course, the media goes right into the mode of like, how could you insult a woman's, you know, like, And it's like, I don't know, man.
02:17:32.000Like, if you can't take the heat, get out of the fucking...
02:17:51.000Like, she hit him and he's hitting her back.
02:17:53.000Like, yes, if you're vain enough to be having plastic surgery, probably you're not going out while you're still bleeding from the plastic surgery.
02:18:01.000But, like, the point is, and I kind of like that about Trump, it's like, oh, finally, someone being unapologetic and being like, oh, you hit me, I'll hit you back.
02:18:07.000Okay, well, this is where I disagree with you hardcore, because I think it's stupid and childish.
02:18:11.000And what he did was so fucking dumb, it's beneath being the President of the United States.
02:18:16.000And this idea that you're going to make up a story about a woman bleeding from plastic surgery to get over because she said you have little hands, that's some weak bitch shit.
02:18:25.000Okay, as you repeat it back to me, it does sound like some weak bitch shit.
02:18:29.000If that was your friend, hold on a second, if that was your friend, and one of your friends was making fun of the fact that you had small hands, and so you went on a radio show or a podcast and made up a whole story That's a bitch move.
02:18:56.000But I get what I enjoy about it, is if then, everybody else, like 95% of the mainstream media's reaction is, how could you attack a woman's looks?
02:19:10.000I hate the thing that Mika feels entitled to make a small dick joke, and then feels entitled the next day to play the, are you insulting a woman's looks?
02:19:22.000Because what she's saying, he has no control over.
02:19:25.000He has no control over the size of his hands that he was born with.
02:19:28.000But she does have control over whether or not she's so vain she lets a doctor stick a tube down her throat and cut her half-alive body and stitch it tighter to give the illusion of youth.
02:19:38.000Now, I don't think that really happened.
02:19:40.000At least that's what a lot of people are saying.
02:20:53.000It's like the Obama people and the Trump people are so happy to just, just literally one day, oh, you take that position and I'll take this position now.
02:21:00.000No feeling of like, oh, this is a little bit weird.
02:21:02.000I was literally three days ago lecturing people about how he's our president and now I'm like, not my president.
02:21:08.000Like, you don't feel any, any, you know, and there's this thing that I go, you know, I remember you said this and I've quoted this many times on my show.
02:21:23.000I don't know if you were quoting someone, or this was yours originally, but you were describing the Occupy Wall Street movement, and you used the white blood cells Yes.
02:21:39.000What I was saying is, obviously there's a disease, and they don't know exactly what it is, but the white blood cells are moving in, and they're surrounding this infection.
02:21:47.000They're trying to figure out what it is.
02:21:48.000I thought it was like such a perfect analogy and it applies to Occupy Wall Street.
02:21:52.000It also applied to like the Tea Party movement and some other way and you write the point of being like look a white blood cell does not Understand the complexity of a virus.
02:22:02.000It doesn't have like that, but it knows Corruption rush.
02:22:06.000Yeah, like that's the thing It's like corrupt and rush and I think that a lot of the Trump thing is that too It's like white blood cells, and they know that this PC authoritarian thing, that Trump fights that.
02:22:20.000They know that's the virus, and this is, to them, the most anti...
02:23:57.000A lot of my campaign is going to be running against the previous four years of the Kanye West administration and everything that they did wrong.
02:24:02.000I'm going to be like, look, Trump didn't solve the problem.
02:24:09.000Kanye will have established a colony in Africa and he will have redesigned Calabasas in Africa and They'll all be just driving around and Bentleys and shit and ducking lions It's like it really is though like it's it's almost like seems anything seems plausible.
02:24:27.000But it is a thing that it is like like Andrew Breitbart said and this is what I've realized over the last year is that a Politics is downstream from culture.
02:26:33.000But he was doing this speech about Donald Trump and about Black Lives Matter.
02:26:38.000It was really well-worded stuff, whether you agree with it or not.
02:26:41.000He did good work inside that little sort of paradigm.
02:26:46.000I met Jamie Kilstein when I was a brand new comedian, just starting stand-up comedy, and he was, to me, Like doing things that were really cool.
02:26:56.000He was on the road with Stan Hope and like to me that was like oh you're like you made it like that's amazing like you're doing the thing that we all want to do and he was just super kind and helpful to me when I was a young comic and so I always just have like a As a person, I like Jamie.
02:27:12.000And all the things I don't like about Jamie were me, like, seeing him on your show, or seeing something he tweeted, or something like that.
02:27:17.000So it's like, as a person, I always liked him, and then the public persona, like, he owes a few people apologies, but I'd be happy to.
02:27:23.000Yeah, I mean, I think we're all vulnerable to a certain extent, and we're vulnerable to, like, if you tap into a vein and you have success with a certain way of behaving and thinking, and you, you know, you put blinders on because this is benefiting you.
02:27:37.000I mean, you see that financially with people, what we were talking about before.
02:27:41.000You see that culturally, socially, and I think Jamie tapped into this social vein of success in this very extreme ideology, this extreme feminist, male feminist ally ideology, the denial of the differences between the men and the women.
02:27:58.000He's a cliche in a lot of ways, right?
02:28:00.000Because he's a small guy and, you know, he's very slight and you always see a small guy who's a vegan and a feminist, you're like, oh, it's just, he's one of those guys.
02:28:09.000It's like you fall into these weird sort of predetermined patterns of behavior, these categories, and he just was a black belt at that, you know?
02:28:49.000So that, I mean, literally means trying to get pussy.
02:28:52.000Like, it's not even, you're not even exaggerating.
02:28:55.000If you go, like, to them, to this, in this social justice warrior world, if you were to be like, hey, why don't we, like, get out of here and go back to my place, and you're like, no, we can't go, come on.
02:29:04.000She said no and then you said come on.
02:29:06.000That is inappropriate, manipulative behavior.
02:29:09.000There was a skeptics conference and a man in an elevator asked a woman if she wanted to come to his room and have some coffee and she did a whole speech the next day.
02:29:20.000About how men should not, if they're with a woman alone and it's late at night, do not ask them to coffee because you're going to imply that this woman is in danger and make her feel uncomfortable and all this different crazy shit.
02:29:33.000Like, oh, so a guy was trying to fuck you.
02:29:37.000Like, you're making a speech about this, trying to control the behavior of men to the point where they're not men anymore?
02:29:43.000You're trying to shape them and form them into some weird sort of PC version of you would like this no biological difference between the men and the women, men being only, you know, allies and like what?
02:29:57.000And like, you know, it's always these people who, you know, seem to be so resentful and angry at The male-female relationship and interplay and like, oh, a guy wanting to fuck you is so horrible.
02:30:10.000Coincidentally, almost always not attractive.
02:30:13.000You don't see a lot of 10s walking around going like, oh, it's so unfair.
02:30:33.000Well, the truth is, if you want to get into a conversation, a real honest conversation about privilege, right, and who has privilege and who doesn't have privilege, I mean, hot chick privilege is pretty strong.
02:30:45.000I mean, you know, hot chicks walk around in a different world than regular women and men do.
02:30:50.000I mean, it's just a different thing, and that's part of the nature of, but, you know, whatever.
02:30:54.000I mean, that's like who human beings are, but it's like you don't hear her complaining about it as much because she's winning.
02:31:10.000You know, I saw this tweet this woman put out that said, pro tip, if you don't ever date a man who doesn't identify himself as a feminist, And I was like, that is so crazy.
02:31:56.000But the idea that they have to subscribe to a feminist ideology, this can't just be fair and honest and Curious and have real conversations with you open and objective.
02:32:07.000No, they have to identify with this ideology that the only way you could ever have equality, true equality within the sexes is if the man identifies as being a feminist.
02:32:18.000Feminism is not supportive women No, feminism is total uniformity, and there's no discrimination whatsoever, and until that happens, you have to be a feminist.
02:32:29.000Yeah, and feminism to me is like modern-day feminism, at least.
02:32:37.000It's like, if you take them at their word, You know, the way you could take any hate group at their word, you know, and they'd be like, oh, you know, we're not a hate group.
02:32:45.000We just care about white people, white people's rights, and the white children, blah, blah, blah.
02:32:49.000And then you're kind of like, oh, okay, well, let me come to a meeting.
02:32:51.000And then by, like, that meeting, you're like, man, they sure do seem to hate black people at this meeting.
02:33:00.000And if you want to be there and you're of that group, you better first confess to your original sin and be guilty the whole time and be constantly repenting.
02:33:12.000But even with them, there's a giant spectrum, right?
02:33:14.000There's a lot of women that are just...
02:33:15.000What they don't want is some fucking creepy boss to talk...
02:33:19.000You know, crazy creepy sexual shit to them and they have to absorb it because they want to move up the corporate ladder and they're discriminated sexually in the office space.
02:33:26.000They're discriminated when it comes to, you know, promotions and raises and, you know, the position in the company.
02:33:44.000And there are certain struggles that guys are unaware of, or maybe not unaware completely because you're bringing it up right now, but we don't experience, certainly.
02:33:52.000You don't know what it's like to walk around life as a tiny hot chick that men just constantly want to fuck.
02:34:02.000You know, when they first came out with that video, the one that went viral of the chick being catcalled around New York City, my first reaction was I thought it was very interesting.
02:34:08.000And I said, because if you're a guy who doesn't catcall, Chicks, which is like the category I fall into.
02:34:14.000That's just not my style of getting laid.
02:34:16.000I've never thought of just being like, let me get that ass, Ma, like as you walk by me.
02:34:20.000But I mean, you know, that did roll off the tongue kind of naturally.
02:35:05.000But at least it's like, look, I do think there's something to be said for, like, oh, okay, look, I don't know what the experience of getting catcalled is, this might be pissing off some women, so okay, like, let's look at that.
02:35:16.000But then there's also, like, lots of struggles of men that women don't necessarily know about.
02:35:21.000And the problem with feminists is that, and modern feminists, is that they're not going like, hey, we both have struggles here, let's have a conversation.
02:35:28.000We're not like, we're humanists, we're equalists, let's have a conversation.
02:35:42.000The past was all just oppressive gender roles toward women.
02:35:47.000It's like, actually, in reality, there were oppressive gender roles for everybody in the past, and it's very debatable who they were more oppressive for.
02:35:54.000Like, in my grandmother's and grandfather's day, oppressive gender roles landed my grandfather in combat fighting and war.
02:36:04.000It wasn't like, oh, the men didn't have any struggles that the women didn't know about.
02:36:45.000And that was one of the things that was so frustrating about people, is that we're not saying that women shouldn't be equal, they can't be equal.
02:37:00.000One of the things that I thought was so crazy about the Google memo was that the guy had like a page and a half of like dedicated to what would be a way to get women more interested in tech.
02:37:09.000And he had all these citations for all these different studies that he was quoting.
02:37:13.000And when they reprinted it in several sources, they removed the citations, and they would take these quotes out of context and highlight them and make them larger.
02:37:24.000Which I find strange to be like, yeah, I read part of that thing, and it seemed fairly reasonable to me, and I saw it very misrepresented in the way people were talking about it on the news.
02:38:14.000I mean, we're all completely different and have different...
02:38:16.000And the idea that equality, I mean, you'll never have that of any true sense.
02:38:20.000And then the thing with, like, okay, with women, it seems like feminists basically, like, they almost, while bashing men and bashing the traditional kind of masculine gender role, they also seem to embrace it and want that for women.
02:38:36.000You know what they really want it for?
02:38:39.000That's where it gets super slippery, because the left wants really classic, feminine, like, transgender people.
02:38:45.000Like, when Bruce Jenner became Caitlyn Jenner, he's painting his toes and wearing high heels and short skirts and gets a tit job, gets his jaw sawed down.
02:38:57.000You can't just be a manly-looking woman.
02:38:59.000You gotta be a woman with a fucking facial surgery.
02:39:03.000Yeah, and we go yes you you're amazing you go that's right if a girl embraces those classic gender roles like wearing high heels and short skirts and You know our tits are pushed together and like oh god you're falling into this classic gender trap That's right or or if a woman said like oh I want to be a housewife and like raise my kids and live a traditional lifestyle You know like that's or if I'm gonna move for my husband or something like that You know like that if you're a gay married man you say Go for it.
02:39:30.000And you see the same thing happen where they literally, the same thing they'll hate if a man does.
02:39:34.000So if you had read, you know, a feminist article about MMA seven years ago, it would have been all about, like, toxic masculinity and male aggression and all this stuff.
02:39:45.000But as soon as Ronda Rousey was doing it, it's like, that's our girl.
02:40:17.000So if there's any barrier in someone's way, get that out of there.
02:40:20.000But if people are free and like men choose to go be politicians and women more choose to go into like, you know, like nursing and like these other like kind of like maternalistic fields that women go into a lot.
02:40:31.000And you're like, okay, so like Are you sure the answer is just that they should be more like men?
02:40:37.000Maybe this is like saying something better about women.
02:40:39.000Men are going into ruling over other people and women are going into a nurturing field.
02:40:44.000Maybe the fact that women prioritize family over money is not a bad thing that needs to be reorganized.
02:40:52.000There's going to be some women that choose to pursue a career at the very highest levels of capitalism and there's going to be some that have zero Interest in doing that.
02:42:40.000I heard one person on MSNBC, and they were like, we just care about the rights of women and minorities and LGBT people and immigrants and something else.
02:42:49.000And I was like, just say not white men.
02:43:21.000And if there are, let's go after them.
02:43:23.000But just on the big picture, like talking about things, if you're like a woman who really wants to do something in 2017 in a first world country like the United States of America, I don't see...
02:43:34.000I mean, there are laws against paying a woman less than a man at the same job.
02:43:48.000Everyone in show business knows that's true.
02:43:51.000It's like, okay, I don't see a real barrier, but then when they can't find one, they'll kind of create this barrier that you can't see.
02:44:00.000So if we give people a bunch of freedom and then women make certain choices and men make certain choices and this leads to, on average, men making 23% more than women, then they go, well, And I go, well, there's no barrier.
02:44:35.000And until women assume the power position, and there's a disproportionate number of women in Congress, a disproportionate number of women who are police officers, and women who are judges, and women who are lawyers, and women who are in all positions of power, if men feel the heavy boot of the oppressive woman,
02:45:40.000And you shouldn't get into this thing where it's like, and I know, it's like, I've heard, like, people, uh, particularly, like, uh, um, left-wing leaning feminists, or, or, like, so, female comics who are feminists, who I know several of.
02:45:58.000But I've heard, and they'll get very, and one of them said to me once they go, you know, Dave, your whole thing is just that you hate women.
02:46:24.000But I just go, and I challenge a lot of people on the left who talk about race or sexism and these things.
02:46:32.000I just challenge you to just entertain the possibility for like one second.
02:46:38.000Entertain the possibility that you're not right about all of this stuff and that the correct position is to treat everybody equal.
02:46:45.000Now, I know that sounds really, really wild and out there, and I'm not taking into account my white privilege and the history, but just entertain for one second the possibility that the correct answer is to treat everybody equal and not judge them based on their race.
02:46:55.000And then if you entertain that for one second, you'll start realizing, like, oh, holy shit, if that's true, I'm really the one being the bigot here.
02:47:11.000There are, like, these group of female comics that will come out, and I don't even begrudge them for this, but they'll come out and just hardcore, like, root for the female comic.
02:48:00.000Where it's like, you kind of project this thing that you see racism everywhere, or you see sexism everywhere, but all I really see is you fucking lecturing people based on racism.
02:48:10.000Well, in their mind, they're allowed to do it the same way Cain Velasquez is allowed to have brown pride in his chest.
02:48:40.000And I'm saying, if a guy had a bumper sticker that said, boys kick ass, he'd be like, follow that guy and find out where he's been fucking these kids.
02:48:48.000Because, first of all, you'd never say boys.
02:49:00.000And I don't need, like, I almost feel like an asshole sometimes where I preface everything with a disclaimer, like, and I'm not saying this, but I just wanted to be clear that, like, I'm not saying there aren't exceptions to the rule, but it's also kind of strange to me that, like, if you want to celebrate women, why are you celebrating such a masculine quality?
02:49:16.000Like, it's kind of like, it's like, look, there are white players who are great basketball players, right?
02:49:20.000There are white, Dirk Nowitzki was an amazing basketball player, but if I just wrote somewhere like, white people kick ass at basketball, it's like, well...
02:49:41.000Well, there's that thing that's coming out, that movie with Steve Carell, where he plays that man who had a tennis match against Billie Jean King, and he was barely ranked.
02:49:50.000He was a terrible tennis player, and he fucked Billie Jean King up.
02:49:53.000And he was sort of mocking her the whole way, and it was a real hallmark moment.
02:50:12.000I'm getting them conflated with Renee Richards, the guy who used to be a man, and then became a transgender woman and started stomping everybody in tennis.
02:51:06.000So when Steve Carell played that character, and then you watch the video of the actual character, they're like, whoa, like he just nailed that guy.
02:52:01.000Didn't Serena play against an unranked male player?
02:52:05.000They used to play when they were younger, I think.
02:52:08.000She played against some guy, that was the story, and the guy kicked her ass, and everybody was like, what?
02:52:13.000It just seems to me to be this thing where I kind of look at, obviously, like, we're talking generalizations here, and there are exceptions, like, you know what I'm saying?
02:52:20.000Like, there are, like, you know, uh, uh, Ronda Rousey could beat the shit out of me.
02:52:26.000But it's a bad example because you're not a fighter.
02:52:28.000No, but I'm just making the point that, like, if you have this stereotype that men are stronger than women or something like that, there are exceptions to the rule.
02:52:35.000And I still use Ronda Rousey even though she's not champ anymore.
02:52:55.000It's like, if we're gonna celebrate women, I just think it's kind of odd that we have to celebrate the most masculine achievements of women.
02:53:02.000It's like celebrating them kicking ass.
02:53:04.000There are these things that I feel like women are superior to men in that I'm very impressed by them.
02:53:10.000Like, I just think women- Wait a minute, hold on, let me stop you.
02:53:12.000Because you think that running a corporation is masculine?
02:53:15.000Like, do you think that being involved in any creative endeavor is masculine?
02:53:55.000If I'm talking kicking ass and nurture, and I'm talking men versus women, in general, just broad speaking, I tend to think of one being male and one being female.
02:54:06.000To wrap this all up and bring it all down, I think we'd all be better off, male, women, white, black, Asian, whatever, if we're just reasonable, nice people.
02:54:45.000Instead of just being a reasonable, normal person.
02:54:47.000But there's not enough reasonable, normal people, so women are constantly dealing with assholes, so they develop these kind of patterns of behavior.
02:54:54.000They think about men as being these intrusive, shitty people who just want to get in your pants, and really don't care about you, and they're manipulative, and they just want to fuck you.
02:55:02.000When you say it, I mean, that is somewhat true.
02:55:29.000It's like, that's all real, and that does happen.
02:55:31.000But then there's also, like, the chick who just, like, gives a guy, like, you know, like, the security and confidence he never had to go be great.
02:55:36.000There's the guy who, like, does support his chick through, like, her endeavors, and, like, you know, it's like, so it's like, you gotta, you know, it's like that The hurricane in Houston kind of put some perspective on that for me where it's like you know it's like you see just like all these people it's like Antifa verse Nazis is the state of the country and then you see like this this horrible hurricane happened and just the acts of kindness after where you see these people like like young guys like like these group of like 20 year olds maybe they were I saw who took their like their like motorboats down to Houston and are pulling old people out of like their homes and
02:56:06.000you're like god damn it motherfucker like that's our country too!
02:56:21.000Most of the time we're separated from each other by buildings and cars, and there's this weird alienation we have with one another.
02:56:27.000It's one of the reasons why places of high density, you get much more liberal ideologies, or liberal in terms of like accepting, I should say, not necessarily conservative, but there's a lot of that too.
02:56:38.000Democratic versus conservative, or left-wing versus conservative.
02:56:40.000But these big population cultures, people interact with each other more.
02:56:44.000You know, you don't get the same kind of racism.
02:56:46.000You know, you get less, and it's less accepting, I think, in like maybe say New York City, than probably anywhere.
02:56:51.000Because in New York City, especially in Manhattan, everybody's got to interact.
02:56:54.000I'm not saying you don't encounter it.
02:57:07.000Everyone likes to feel like they're the best, and my team is the best, and my local bar is the best, and my aunt makes the best chili, and my aunt kicks that town's ass.
02:57:15.000And it's like, no, your aunt does not make the world's best chili.
02:57:26.000And so there will always be these certain kind of in-group preference things.
02:57:30.000But like you said, I do think growing up in New York City, you also just see And this is the beautiful thing that we fucking lost in America that sucks.
02:57:39.000But it's like freedom does fucking bring people together.
02:57:42.000And capitalism, even though it's become a dirty word.
02:57:44.000Like, all that shit brings people together, man.
02:57:46.000Like, I'm a Jew, and I can go on a New York City street and put my hand out, and like a Muslim guy comes and picks me up and drops me off at home.
02:58:31.000They'll tell you if there's a camera on the next red light.
02:58:35.000They'll tell you if there's a cop on the highway waiting to check They'll be like, police ahead.
02:58:40.000So there's literally this system where the cops will sit there and wait for someone to come speeding so they can come extort you for some money.
03:00:05.000It's much, much harder for people to pull off lying.
03:00:08.000It was much harder for Hillary Clinton to pull off than for traditional politics in the past because they're leaking everything online now.
03:00:13.000And it's just harder for the government or the big corporations or the media to convince you of this narrative.
03:01:41.000But you take the most fucked up word you can think of to justify the legal position and then culturally you say, oh by the way, that word applies to everything.
03:01:48.000So you know, it's like women are getting raped on college campus.
03:01:52.000Well, that's one of the real problems with a guy like Donald Trump, is that when he boils things down to these slogans, then they boil things down to slogans in return, and we just have a fucking fight where you're throwing rocks at each other.
03:02:01.000That was one of the amazing things about Trump and the moment, is that Trump comes out, he's like this simplistic buffoon, and in the normal mind you're like, well, at some point he's going to meet a...
03:02:12.000A professional who will embarrass him.
03:02:14.000And then you start to realize after a while, there's just no professional.
03:02:17.000It's like, he had no plans, neither did Hillary Clinton.
03:02:55.000I hope we have this blowback this way, and I hope, I don't know who's going to emerge Between now and 2020, but it's going to have to be someone that's interesting, right?
03:03:05.000It's going to have to be someone that we look at and go, okay, this is a viable alternative to what we're currently dealing with.
03:03:11.000And they probably shouldn't say shit for a long time.
03:03:13.000They should probably just build up and prepare and just constantly say, I'm not running.
03:04:44.000I mean, every budget, you know, Bush spent the most ever, then Obama spent the most ever, Trump will outspend Obama, no question about it.
03:04:50.000And all of the major, major problems that I see are a direct result of this, like the longest wars in American history, the mass incarceration rate, spying on all of our citizens, record debt, you know, like all of these things are a result of government being way too big and way too out of control.
03:05:04.000And then at the same time, while we're like spending ourselves too far into debt, Way too extended militarily.
03:05:11.000The culture is also completely decaying.
03:05:13.000And we're more at war with each other than we've ever been.
03:05:15.000And like I said before, we go from like, you know, a Buckley-Vidal debate to Trump-Clinton.
03:05:21.000Like, we've had a Jerry Springer culture, and now we've got a Jerry Springer president to go with it.
03:05:26.000And I just see this culture breaking up, the government getting too big.
03:05:30.000I don't know how this all works out so that we're all friends again.