Comedian, writer, podcaster, and all-around goofball, Rachel Maddow, joins Jemele to discuss her experiences with anxiety, depression, and self-doubt, and how to deal with them in order to become a better version of yourself. She also talks about how she deals with them, and why she thinks they're the root cause of all of her problems. She also discusses how she has dealt with them and how she's managed to overcome them. And, of course, she talks about what it's like to be a comedian and a writer, and what it means to be mentally ill and how it affects the way she thinks about herself and her relationships with her friends and family, and the things she does to cope with them. It's a great episode, and we hope you enjoy it! Thank you so much to Rachel for being on the show, and for being honest with us about her fears and anxieties and how they affect her life. We really appreciate it, and it was a pleasure to have her on the podcast. xoxo, Rachel Music: "Noah" by Zapsplat and "Good Morning America" by Ian Dorsch Logo by Macklemore and Paul Westervelt Artwork by Ian Somerhalbert Music by Jeff Kaale (c) by Kevin McLeod (credited by Haley Shaw ( ) & Mike McLennan (crosstoy Thanks to Jeff McElroy ( ) for the intro and Outtrope for the music by Chris Miller ( ) and Mike McLaughlin ( ) is aprod ( ) Music: by Jeff Perlaver ( ) (music: ) ( , is by ) ( ) & (feat. (c ) by ) and (mccartell ( ) is (d) (and . & ) by James ( ) . ( ), (the_ ( ] (?) (music by (honestly ) & James ( (t) ( ) ? (& ? @ ) ? ( ) Thank you ( and ) , ( & ), thank you ( ) in AND (a in ) . ( ) - (sic)
00:01:00.000I definitely would identify as self-analytical, but do you think that's part of being a good comedian, is being able to analyze yourself and your neuroses?
00:02:02.000All in one incredibly smooth, linear process.
00:02:05.000It's going to be weird shit that happens along the way.
00:02:07.000When you see someone who's not doing it correctly, in your eyes, or not doing it to the best of their abilities, or fucking off, or being delusional, it scares the shit out of you.
00:02:18.000Because you're like, God damn it, that could be me.
00:02:20.000God damn it, I could lose a year of everything I've been concentrating on.
00:02:24.000I lived in denial, I think, for a long time.
00:02:27.000And I was sort of like sleepwalking through life and kind of like unconscious, I think, for like a lot of my teens and early 20s due to like some fucked up shit that I saw and lived.
00:02:39.000But I just always want to make sure that I've disarmed those and de-thawed those and I'm not like just being a puppet of my...
00:02:47.000Right, but I think, like, to give you more credit than you give yourself, I think that that self-examatory, self-reflecting aspect of it, which seems to you to, like, this be as constant self-criticism, is just almost like a watcher.
00:03:02.000Like a watcher over your thoughts to make sure, okay, keep this fucking thing together, you crazy bitch.
00:03:20.000And I definitely think I need to stop.
00:03:22.000We live in this world of constant feedback.
00:03:25.000And I guess my thing is, like, I give myself enough feedback.
00:03:29.000I don't also need your feedback with the likes and the at replies and the trolls and the reddits and the whatever.
00:03:34.000So I think that that magnified it a little bit.
00:03:36.000And I had to do, like, a little bit of a social media internet cleansing where I didn't sort of constantly, like, go down the wormhole of, like...
00:03:46.000That's good just as a matter of resources.
00:03:48.000You know, 24 hours seems like a lot of time until you start dissecting it into the things you actually enjoy doing and how much time do you actually really have with eating and sleeping and traveling and commuting.
00:04:55.000I believe at the time it had the most cuts of any movie.
00:04:57.000And I was obsessed with postmodernism at the time, like Gene Baudrillard.
00:05:00.000So I was obsessed with him using archive footage and reenactive footage and new footage and just the way that he told the story was brilliant.
00:05:25.000Well, Eisenhower definitely had been on TV. A bunch of guys had been on TV, but TV was a different thing in 1963 than it was in 53. He was the first, like, star.
00:06:08.000We want someone that can figure it all out and has all of these key attributes of a leader, but we don't want that leader-conquerer mindset.
00:06:52.000But is it possible that someone can achieve some sort of...
00:06:56.000I mean, even if you achieve some Martin Luther King Jr. state, or you're that level of speaker, and although you were a black guy, you were so obviously super intelligent and so spiritual that even racists had to go,
00:08:27.000Like, you know, he was talking about the power of the Lord and the power of God and the power of Jesus and say his name and he's stopping around on stage and You know, and then the, God!
00:10:29.000The only trick about that is like you're so smart and you're like you the word understand it has no place in people trying to feel safe Like we're just these visceral animals who are just like am I safe?
00:11:09.000I think it was in that book, Sapiens, just the idea that so much of our anxiety comes from the fact that we all know that we're only subconsciously at the top of the food chain.
00:11:16.000We should not be at the top of the food chain.
00:11:18.000It's only because we developed weapons.
00:11:19.000We know that at any point, we deserve our life expectancy to be like 16. But I think developing the weapons is also what led to us getting like this.
00:11:30.000But I think all this vulnerable stuff came along with the advent of inventions.
00:11:35.000I think that when we, obviously I'm an idiot, but don't listen to me, but I would think that when we didn't have anything other than what the animals had, our instincts, claws and fangs.
00:12:47.000Well, you know, I mean, I can finally talk about this, but it took me getting my ear bitten off by a dog to realize how fucking vulnerable we are.
00:13:50.000Yeah, because every now and then you do need them to really respect you when a car is coming when they get out and it is a dominant thing to lick you and to jump on you.
00:14:41.000So whenever I have to ascertain whether a dog is dominant or not I look him in the eyes and if they don't look away I have a dominant dog and that's a problem.
00:17:33.000I think that there is something about it so interesting that you have a couple kind of breeds because I feel like people usually see themselves in a breed and that's their thing, you know?
00:17:41.000And if yours is massive, but what made you do golden?
00:17:46.000He looked awesome and he was super sweet.
00:17:49.000This dog, Curly, was the sweetest dog.
00:17:52.000Well, you know that the dogs that were bred to fight dogs and bulls, they were also selected for the ones that were the kindest to the owners because the dogfighters didn't tolerate dogs that were violent towards people.
00:20:29.000And you have to be able to ascertain the difference between when things get real, like the hair on their back, and when it's playful.
00:20:35.000And then the dog feels your fear and then they start to get protective that's people don't understand like all the time when I'm walking my dogs and someone's like And they start pulling their dog away and I'm like what you're doing is you're feeling fear now your dogs gonna get aggressive So you're manifesting this dog fights with your fucking bullshit fear like get your shit together That's where the argument comes in Do we really want those kind of pets?
00:20:59.000I mean, do we really want people to have dangerous dog pets?
00:21:04.000And I agree that many people can do it correctly.
00:21:06.000But it is a super responsibility to have a warrior animal.
00:21:10.000I do think that for a lot of these animals that are just so unbelievably I mean, the same way we get driver's license for cars, you're operating something that can injure people.
00:21:25.000I don't think people should have big dogs with big teeth without taking some kind of test for it.
00:23:52.000But there's still the potential for something going sideways.
00:23:55.000But it's also tricky because it's like, and this is like the work I do with like horses and dogs, it's like if you get scared and they feel it and if you run, food runs, right?
00:26:51.000The stories about they smell a fire, and they get the kid, and they open the door, and they take it to a shelter, and they put it on a plane, and they like...
00:27:15.000I think that's kind of what audiences do as well.
00:27:17.000You know, we were talking earlier about self-analysis and I am trying to stop with that shit, but it's just hard to turn that off because it's like we get on stage and we're like, do you like me now?
00:28:25.000Do you, of course, you know this, but I read something recently about how the reason people hate or are so scared of public speaking, evolutionarily speaking, if you were Whoa!
00:28:59.000So when we're up there on stage, the reason you feel all that fear is because it used to be you were begging for forgiveness and not to get speared to death or stoned to death or whatever.
00:29:20.000Yeah, that's what it was in tribal times.
00:29:22.000It's the same thing about, like, there was that article in The Atlantic about how loneliness is now as bad for you as smoking.
00:29:27.000Because it used to be, if you were living alone in an apartment, in a pod, that meant you were exiled from the tribe and had no protection from it.
00:29:33.000So your brain stops producing serotonin and endorphins and you basically just, like, get depressed.
00:29:38.000Because it's like you feel so unsafe and you feel so much anxiety.
00:29:41.000We're designed to live together because that meant protections before we had, like, alarm systems and locks and shit.
00:29:46.000Right Wow that totally makes sense as well and it seems like the the more people get advanced Socially like the more we understand each other socially we more more we understand like that There's all these causes and effects that go on inside of human relationships on both sides that that make things go well or go bad and hopefully Over generation after generation of us studying this and paying attention to the way that we behave and talk to each other.
00:30:14.000Because I think people talk to each other far differently today.
00:30:27.000Richer and weirder and more aware now today and I think it's gonna continue to get better and better and if it does Maybe one day we'll get into a more relaxed Society place like if we can ensure that more people are nice and friendly and Helping and honest and helpful and less people are dangerous and fucked up But instead of doing that what we do is the opposite.
00:30:51.000We like put up bigger walls lock things down more Separate ourselves ourselves further You know, secure our position.
00:30:59.000I think as a society, and this is total hippie talk, right?
00:31:03.000But we have to figure out a way to make less people live sucky lives.
00:31:09.000As soon as you make less people live sucky lives, everything becomes way less dangerous.
00:31:13.000Right, but like, I was in Guatemala once, and I remember looking around and going, what a sucky life, what a sucky life.
00:31:19.000And then I drive past people, they're sitting around Laughing with no teeth, in hammocks, in a shack.
00:31:25.000And I'm like, why are they happier than me?
00:31:27.000And from what I gather, it's because they're together.
00:31:30.000So it's like so much of our communication is nonverbal.
00:31:33.000They say like 80% of our communication is nonverbal.
00:31:34.000And I'm on here texting, texting, texting.
00:31:36.000You're seeing the verbal, but you're not seeing the nonverbal of like, you're safe.
00:31:40.000We're getting oxytocin for making eye contact and hugging.
00:31:43.000Like we're communicating more and more and more, but actually reaching each other less and less and less on a chemical or neurochemical level, right?
00:31:49.000Yeah, and you've got to figure that people that are living in a village or some third-world country or they're living closer to the land with less electronic stimulation, who they are as a person, the way they're living their life is fitting into the world that they live in.
00:32:05.000It's like those grooves have already been cut.
00:32:07.000They're smooth and deep and everything just slides into place.
00:32:10.000Everybody's been doing it this way for a long-ass time.
00:32:13.000When do you start factoring in all the crazy shit that we're after dealing with just with traffic and the sheer number of humans clogged into this intersection just trying to move forward and everybody being frustrated and honking and cutting each other off and that is so not normal.
00:32:29.000Apparently our brain doesn't know what a car is.
00:33:04.000I remember reading this, but I don't remember what the answer is.
00:33:07.000What is it about the disassociative aspect of driving in a car that makes people aggressive to other people, like verbally and giving them the finger?
00:33:18.000What it is is they had concluded that you're in a heightened state of not necessarily fear, but reaction time when you're in a car because you realize that you are going 65 miles an hour.
00:34:27.000There's no upside, but the downside is gigantic.
00:34:31.000Actual violence, like you could get shot, you could get stabbed, you could get beat up, someone could run you over.
00:34:37.000You could get into some terrible position where you hurt someone, and you have to pay for their medical bills and their legal bills, and it could be devastating to you.
00:36:48.000And what I get out of all of it is that what these people are doing, everybody's doing is, first of all, they're engaging in something incredibly difficult.
00:36:54.000And when you engage in something incredibly difficult, it's a great way for strong-willed people to find themselves.
00:40:42.000Washington State has something called a mutual combat law where cops will actually stand by and watch people beat the shit out of each other if they agree to.
00:40:51.000So there's no such thing as like assault?
00:41:36.000But if you're Vanderlei Silva, and someone doesn't know it's Vanderlei Silva, and they go and pick a fight with him, and he beats the fuck out of them, he's not going to get in trouble.
00:41:45.000As long as there's some sort of proof that these guys were starting a fight with him, he's defending himself.
00:41:49.000So if I attack Ronda Rousey at Whole Foods...
00:43:32.000Any registered karate or judo expert who thereafter is charged with having used his art in a physical assault on some other person shall, upon conviction thereof, be deemed guilty of aggravated assault.
00:43:52.000When I take, this is how I interpret that, that if someone, like, say, Brendan Schaub, decided to pick on some guy who didn't know how to fight, knowing that this guy didn't know how to fight, and Brendan would never do that, he's the nicest guy ever, but beat the shit out of this person, they should be charged with,
00:44:08.000like, an extra level of assault, because it's not just assault.
00:44:11.000It's almost like assault with a weapon.
00:44:13.000Well, it's Brendan who told me that people will come up to him and he'll be like, you know, I used to fight, and he's just like, don't do this.
00:44:19.000Like, they instigate, and sometimes you just have to leave.
00:44:21.000Do you ever have people do that, where you just have to, like, leave?
00:44:24.000Sometimes people are delusional, but I've seen it happen even to Chuck Liddell.
00:44:27.000I've seen people come up to him when he was in his prime.
00:45:14.000And my favorite is when someone bores you with like a 15 minute, just the longest vagina monologue of all time, something just like terrible and awful.
00:45:20.000They just talk about like traffic and then they're like, you can have that one.
00:45:24.000And you're just like, oh, can I? Thank you.
00:45:27.000Did you ever notice like, oh no, are you doing material?
00:45:31.000Or like you're talking to someone super boring and they're like, are you going to put me in your act?
00:46:39.000Like, if you're doing stand-up and someone who you know really good is in the front row, like, what other front row is all your family and they've seen your act twice this week?
00:48:14.000If I was a stripper, I wouldn't want you to come.
00:48:16.000To me, it's so emotionally revealing, and it's about vulnerability, and it's about, like, I'm going to talk to you for an hour and then never see you again.
00:48:26.000I feel like songs are the same way, too.
00:48:28.000Like, if you know someone really well, like, god damn, like...
00:48:32.000Do you really want someone to sing a song for you?
00:48:34.000I went to a wedding where it was two brides, it was a lesbian wedding, and one of them sung to the other person, and I had to get up and walk away.
00:49:30.000Yeah, but even if you're a good singer, if it's just you and this one person, you're alone in your kitchen, and they start looking you in the eyes singing, you're like, Hey, hey, hey!
01:02:34.000If they're acting a fool and it's like, I have to say this uncomfortable thing to protect you from yourself because what you're doing is stupid or dangerous.
01:02:43.000Most men that I've talked to about fights with their wives, a lot of guys have told me that shit can get really ugly and you start going after the things that you know are going to hurt the other person's feelings.
01:08:04.000Do the genes express themselves exactly the same way, dependent upon environmental stress, the amount of nutrition you take in, the way you clean your skin?
01:08:14.000I mean, your oil glands, I don't know.
01:08:15.000Can you shrink or grow oil glands based on diet?
01:08:17.000I don't know, but it's not uniform, right?
01:08:19.000So there's only a few in certain places.
01:09:18.000But I wonder, as a child, you're in such a state of flux.
01:09:23.000And it might actually be, I wonder if there's some biological basis for like the Darwinism of having really bad skin and overcoming it, you know?
01:09:31.000Like what is the point of that in terms of your pecking order in the tribe of like having some kind of stigma and overcoming it and if you're more of a badass, like...
01:09:41.000There was an article, I don't remember, Scientific American or something, that people who had acne are over-performers in life because they had to overcompensate and overcome adversity.
01:09:50.000The more adversity you overcome, the more resilient you are.
01:09:53.000And yeah, it was just like something about you work harder.
01:09:58.000Isn't that funny how something will come up and it seems completely contradictory?
01:10:12.000But is there a disproportionate amount of people with acne that succeed?
01:10:16.000Apparently, it was some study about a ton of people who say, I was a dork in high school, I had acne, I was a loser, and then they're CEOs of companies or performers or entertainers.
01:10:41.000I was just talking about The Secret, yeah.
01:10:43.000Yeah, the problem with that thing is not that the law of attraction isn't real.
01:10:47.000Not that if you don't focus on something and put your energy towards something, you're more likely to achieve it than if you don't focus on those things.
01:11:06.000You find them and you say, what made you so successful?
01:11:08.000And they will tell you, you know, I use the power of the law of attraction and I wrote things down and I had a vision board and I went towards, but you also like took all the necessary steps to make that happen.
01:11:19.000You also were very disciplined and worked hard.
01:11:22.000But some people don't, and you also thought it through correctly, right?
01:11:32.000You have to figure that fucking thing out.
01:11:34.000Just because you made it there doesn't mean you have a valid roadmap that anyone can use and just think positive and think about the future and make some sort of vision map, and it's definitely going to work out.
01:11:45.000No, you have to do all the right things, too, and it's not going to be easy.
01:11:49.000But the kind of person who goes to buy The Secret and makes a vision board is probably the same person who's going to do all the right things.
01:12:28.000Wait, so you would start these inspirational things?
01:12:31.000Yeah, I'd start these programs and I'd just fucking bail on it for whatever reason.
01:12:35.000I never completely disciplined myself with any sort of self-help program.
01:12:39.000I would start them out and then I'd bail on them.
01:12:41.000Yeah, but it's like everybody has a different...
01:12:43.000I mean, do you feel like your training is kind of that now?
01:12:47.000Yeah, but I think even then, it was just a matter of me just developing as a person and being able to understand the process of disciplining myself better.
01:12:57.000Because I was never very disciplined when I was younger.
01:13:00.000I would just get obsessed with things.
01:13:02.000And I would do them because that's all I wanted to do all the time.
01:13:04.000It never felt like discipline because it felt like this was something I wanted to do.
01:13:08.000Well, productivity and cooperation makes dopamine, right?
01:16:07.000It's mental tenacity because, first of all, physical is involved.
01:16:10.000You certainly have to be physically tough to do this.
01:16:14.000But the physical toughness is most of the time dictated by your mental toughness.
01:16:19.000It's like the Navy Seals that make it are never the biggest or the strongest, right?
01:16:22.000You know, David Goggins, that ultra-endurathon runner, Navy Seal character, who's like a famous ultra-marathon athlete, he always says that people quit at 40%.
01:18:21.000I just did it because I moved, and I settled into a new place, and I was doing a lot of stuff for the UFC, and I was traveling a lot, and I was like, you know what, I'm just going to do nothing for me.
01:18:34.000But doing UFC stuff, I get so fascinated by our need for visibility and how much do I need and where is this shit coming from and do I exist if I'm not on camera?
01:19:17.000Well, you're the aficionado on this stuff.
01:19:20.000Honestly, without the fight, without that, what I do is useless.
01:19:27.000So all I'm doing is trying to use my vocabulary and my creativity and my understanding of what they're doing to I try to keep myself as much as I can out of it.
01:20:34.000And you call it, and it's a representation.
01:20:37.000So it's very different than doing standing.
01:20:39.000Do you think that athletes will start, or have they already started getting elective surgeries when they don't have injuries?
01:20:45.000There's only a few that I've ever heard of that think that that's willing to do that, and Brody Stevens actually told me that was wrong.
01:20:52.000One of them was a Tommy John surgery, where it apparently makes you able to pitch better.
01:20:56.000Well, yeah, a lot of those guys, I think, are getting it, but I thought it was you get it when you need it, when your shoulder's fucked up.
01:21:01.000Right, I had read that people were getting an elective, and Brody said that was bullshit.
01:21:41.000I'm just curious if you think that that's going to start to be a, it's an off-season, I'm just going to get a new wrist, because they can make better ones than genetics can.
01:21:50.000Like, what if they get to the point where someone breaks a leg and it gets gangrene, they have to remove the leg, but they replace it with a bionic leg, and it's like the six million dollar man.
01:21:57.000What if they get you a leg that you can feel and it works way better than your regular legs?
01:22:59.000The idea is that they've had people that they put these sort of electrodes or something to their head and they can have them articulate fingers, like people that are paralyzed, these mechanical fingers.
01:23:16.000I went to this lab where they do these tests and we put this helmet on me.
01:23:20.000And by thinking about things, you can make a drone fly around.
01:23:24.000By thinking about when you can achieve a certain frequency, it communicates wirelessly with this drone through this thing that they put on your head with all these electrodes.
01:23:34.000We can actually, I mean, you were just talking about it with Kinison.
01:23:38.000I mean, he was doing that with words, but I mean, this is the shit that I do with horses is that you can kind of communicate with them with your minds if you're really having a 50-50 consensual relationship with them because they're prey animals.
01:23:49.000And you can literally just think if your intention is pure enough.
01:23:52.000I mean, this sounds like bullshit, the secret, whatever.
01:23:54.000But if you think about what you want from them and you're really present and connected to them, they will do it.
01:24:08.000So the way that they've evolved, if anyone cares, there's this book called Zen Minds and Horse and talks about the evolution of the prey animal and basically how they can feel fear.
01:24:28.000So it's like, we don't use bits, we don't use saddles, and I don't use any sort of leads, and I'll be on him, and I'll lead a little bit with my knees, but if I just visualize where I want to go, he'll just go there.
01:24:38.000But if I'm disconnected and just came in from traffic, and I'm just like, bullshit, like thinking about my shit, he's just like not connected to me and won't do anything.
01:25:49.000Basically, if a dog self-sues that way and was taken from its mother too young, it's always going to be a liability, and I wasn't going to put him down, obviously.
01:28:41.000But they start eating grass and I see in their, they puke and I see in their, you know, because they eat grass to sort of like restore equilibrium because they're too acidic.
01:28:48.000So they'll start eating grass with that.
01:29:14.000When dogs puke up grass or you see in their poop that they have grass in it, that means that they're having to go other places for nourishment.
01:30:18.000I mean, meat is meat, I think, to a dog.
01:30:21.000I bet if you gave him time and allowed him to discern and hunger was not an option, he'd probably lean towards the elk, probably lean towards the bloody stuff.
01:30:32.000Certainly more than that than dog food.
01:30:35.000If you put the elk down next to a bowl of dog food, he would totally ignore the dog food.
01:30:39.000If you let the dog loose in a row, and one bowl of elk and one bowl of dog food, they would go to the elk 100% of the time.
01:30:45.000Have you ever read the ingredients in dog food?
01:30:47.000It's like sugar, sucralose, high fructose corn syrup?
01:34:01.000And having fucked up eating, like you're eating in your car, you can't really go to dinner with people, is kind of a way that I put a wall up between myself and other people as well.
01:34:09.000Why is that more common, a female thing?
01:34:12.000Like, from your perspective, like, when you think about, like, people having, like, that phrase, having an adversarial relationship with your body, you don't really hear guys say that, right?
01:34:22.000Well, because we have an expiration date, and you guys kind of don't, maybe, and then we also have this sort of...
01:34:29.000Golden rule or symmetrical need to look fertile to you guys where it's like tiny waist, tiny legs, big hips, big boots.
01:34:35.000You know, like I think there's just like a lot more pressure on our bodies because our bodies are why you guys decide to protect us and procreate with us or not.
01:35:14.000But I definitely grew up around a lot of it.
01:35:16.000I saw women, you know, I think that we all have such a fucked up relationship with, you know, our children because we tell our kids to do certain things, but we don't do those things.
01:35:26.000So I heard adults say, like, I need to lose weight, I need to lose five pounds, adults who are not fat.
01:35:31.000And so I internalized sort of, oh, that's the body that I need, mine is, you know, like, I just saw a lot of fucked up shit.
01:35:37.000And women that had adversarial relations with the body.
01:35:40.000So I just like, I didn't know any better.
01:35:42.000But it seems like a lot of women have it like from the jump, right?
01:35:45.000I mean, it's not something that I don't even know if you're really aware of your expiration date when you're 16 and 17. You're not thinking about your longevity, right?
01:35:53.000You're thinking about your current state.
01:35:55.000Yeah, women are objectified at such a young age.
01:38:02.000I mean, it's just, especially like when you're trying to course correct, you know, like you've got, you decide, okay, I'm going the other way, I am going to fucking, like you look at yourself in the mirror, you get disgusted, you're like, I'm not eating.
01:38:13.000I mean, I see a lot of guys, and I'm curious your take on this because you're such a big part of this world of, like, these guys who are like, I'm paleo, they don't eat anything, and I'm like, this is still fucking rigid and fucked up, and I see guys with their cricket protein shit, and they're just...
01:38:27.000I dated a guy who just ate dry protein.
01:38:30.000I'm like, this is a fucking eating disorder.
01:38:34.000When does it go into disordered and dysfunctional?
01:38:37.000It's unnecessary based on the results that you get from it, right?
01:38:41.000It's like, okay, if you just eat healthy foods and you take, like, say, I mean, depending upon how much training you're doing, you might want to take a protein supplement occasionally, you know, take something that's easily digestible, concentrate on, like, macronutrients, concentrate on getting most of it from your food,
01:38:57.000but making sure you balance things out with supplements.
01:39:00.000Once you do all that, like, why are you eating dry protein, dude?
01:40:54.000It's like when they all get tangled together, right?
01:40:55.000Yeah, all their tails get tangled and then they shit and it all congeals and they just turn into a mass of rats and then they starve to death and die.
01:42:00.000But conservation is a consequence of trying to seek out food that way because the money that's spent goes directly to trying to preserve the habitat where these animals live and to keep things public.
01:42:11.000To keep all this land, like we have millions of acres of land public.
01:42:15.000I know that we need predators for things to make sense, like wolves being reintroduced into Yellowstone, basically.
01:42:23.000You call out a couple, and more get to live, right?
01:42:28.000But I'm sort of obsessed with that, and also just understanding that kind of the It's such a big key to, you know, whatever, it sounds ridiculous, but I don't know why I have shame about, like, giving a shit about the environment.
01:42:39.000I don't know when being into the environment became, like, you're, like, lame, but it's, like, I think it's 240,000 gallons of water for one cow, and we only eat 40% of cows?
01:42:55.000We are so wasteful in the way that you do it, which is like you're eating every part of the body and don't you eat it for like months at a time and stuff?
01:45:18.000You'll never be able to understand the amount of power they can generate with their limbs.
01:45:22.000My concern is more, you know, we're designed to eat meat great, but the way that we eat meat is actually killing us in the long term and destroying our planet so much that we're just going to fucking go extinct if we don't just, you know, do it in the kind of way that you do it.
01:45:35.000Yeah, there's some chimps right there tearing apart a monkey.
01:47:06.000There are many kids every year that lose their penis due to infection, where they never get a dick their entire life because somebody wanted to go through a ritualistic, Dickskin cutting on a baby.
01:47:16.000And beside the religious argument for it, and also the sanitation argument, no longer makes sense.
01:48:56.000I mean, I've heard some really crazy fucking arguments from people that are super ultra-progressive that start going down the rabbit hole with Islam where they don't want to criticize anything.
01:49:05.000Someone called it egalitarian gender surgery.
01:49:10.000The genital mutilation was some sort of egalitarian gender surgery.
01:49:49.000Which is like, you guys are watching porn with these girls that are generally mutilated and aren't even having orgasms and you're being lied to.
01:50:16.000To numb the outside edge of your pussy and remove meat.
01:50:20.000Just to give it some sort of an attractive pose.
01:50:25.000And that is what's causing so many problems because you're seeing that fake vagina and then you see a real one and you're like, oh, this is ugly.
01:50:31.000It's like, no, this is just what a vagina looks like.
01:50:33.000It's like the new voluntary female circumcision.
01:51:14.000Girls have had different amounts of sex at those ages, so it's like, I want her 21, not my 21. Yeah, what in the fuck kind of question is that?
01:51:23.000I mean, it's disproportionate, though, the amount of people that get circumcisions versus the amount of people that get labia reduction, right?
01:51:29.000Well, at least labia reduction is somewhat consensual.
01:51:33.000I mean, you probably aren't all there, if you're a porn star anyway, but, like, I just think doing it when you're five days old isn't particularly fair.
01:51:41.000It's so unfair, and it's so crazy that it's the norm.
01:52:04.000But it's a thin layer of mucus develops over the head of the dick, where it's like protected by the skin and stays moist in there and supposedly more sensitive.
01:52:12.000Whereas after you've had your foreskin removed, it's dried out and it's a numb dick.
01:52:16.000Well, it also cuts some nerve endings.
01:52:18.000Which is actually, you know what, maybe you guys do need less nerve endings.
01:52:22.000I actually think if all men weren't circumcised, nothing would ever get done.
01:52:40.000If sex felt any better, we'd have a real problem on our hands.
01:52:44.000Yeah, maybe if you go to a city and it's super advanced, you know that the dick size is directly proportional to the face, how far the face can get down on most men.
01:53:07.000He was doing like a shoulder press where it was like his neck was flat on the ground, okay?
01:53:11.000And then his body was like super flexible and it was up like his back was this and he was bent over so down that he was literally deep-throating his own dick.
01:53:20.000And then he jizzed in his own mouth, pulled out, kept jizzing on his own face, and then stuck it back in his mouth again.
01:56:03.000I want to be stigmatized and I want to be a part of a tribe, but getting fisted in private is not about acceptance or maladaptive behavior.
01:56:11.000It's about taking things to the next level, though.
01:56:14.000A lot of things people do sexually is to try to freak out the partner to let them know that they're on another level.
01:56:39.000And then if someone's going to want to do freaky shit, there's always going to be someone who wants to take it to the next level and show you.
01:56:51.000Do you think this is all the people who don't get to do what you get to do and fight people and do comedy?
01:56:56.000Like people that don't get to get those extreme needs met?
01:57:00.000They might not have ever found a path for them to sort of express themselves through and then they're spiraling out of control with like poor programming and shitty relationships with their family and friends that are fucked up and all that leads to someone with a fist up your ass.
01:57:17.000Sign up for an open mic at the comedy store.
01:59:22.000Yeah, the sheer quantity and slaughter in the Coliseum saw the number of lions, jaguars, and tigers plummet across the globe.
01:59:28.000According to some, Roman hunting absolutely devastated the wildlife of North Africa and the entire Mediterranean region, wiping some species of animals off the map entirely.
01:59:43.000In one particularly brutal set of games in which 9,000 animals were slaughtered, the hippo disappeared from the River Nile.
01:59:50.000And North African, they were fighting elephants?
01:59:53.000Yeah, they were using elephants and lions and some of the lions escaped and tigers had leapt to the front rows where the richest people lived or the richest people had their seats and killed the richest people.
02:00:04.000And so they had to develop these fence systems all around and they had to raise the whole thing.
02:00:08.000This guy was like explaining how they had to protect the rich people who sat in the front row.
02:02:15.000Should be able to show that you can catch a 90 mile an hour fastball.
02:02:19.000I mean, is that going to kill baseball to have to look through nets?
02:02:23.000Well, what's happening to all sports is they're nerfing things up, right?
02:02:27.000And that's the big thing that Donald Trump got criticized for the most was when he said that not just the thing about the players kneeling, but that they're killing the game with all these safety regulations.
02:02:49.000All the things that are supposedly making them safer, the helmets, are actually becoming weapons and the things that they're injuring each other with.
02:05:49.000Because you're just trying to tee off, right?
02:05:51.000And if you're in a fight and you're just trying to swing as hard as you can, if you hit forehead and the curve of that forehead hits the middle of those fingers, that's the weakest area.
02:06:01.000It's almost like bends in between the joints.
02:07:27.000You know, it's just having that extra weight on the end, especially if there's a lot of body mass behind it as well, just a massive advantage.
02:07:35.000So would you want there to be no gloves?
02:08:42.000Yeah, he was fighting a bunch of different guys and busting them up really bad.
02:08:49.000And then before his fight with Sugar Shane Mosley, they caught him in the locker room with plaster in the wraps of the gloves.
02:08:57.000Somebody caught him and then they started putting two and two together and realizing when he beat up Miguel Cotto, when he beat up all these different fighters, it was an unusual beating.
02:09:06.000He was hitting them and it was just having an inordinate effect on them.
02:09:10.000Hitting people way harder than anybody else was.
02:09:42.000They were talking about it on the broadcast, and that they were almost not letting him fight, and they let him fight with newly wrapped hands.
02:09:48.000And Sugar Shane just lit him up like a Christmas tree.
02:10:19.000It might have been that Pacquiao beat him bad.
02:10:22.000There's a couple of guys beat the fuck out of them, but it's just that guy was putting plaster in his gloves.
02:10:27.000So I just don't think gloves are the way to go.
02:10:29.000I mean, if you want to do it for boxing, I get it.
02:10:31.000Boxing is a completely different sport and there's an art catching punches on the gloves.
02:10:35.000But my thing about MMA in particular is why is it okay to elbow someone in the face, but it's not okay to have Gloves that are bare knuckle?
02:11:29.000In terms of big-time sports, it was started in 1993. That's crazy.
02:11:34.000Just 20-something years old, 24 years old.
02:11:36.000So they wanted to make it look like in the beginning, the first fights that I saw in 1997, when I first started working for the UFC, there was a lot of bare-knuckle fighters.
02:14:13.000And it could be also connected to what we were talking about before.
02:14:16.000The actual shape of the head, the thickness of the muscles of the neck, the ability to keep the head from snapping back too much, how many times it actually happens, how good you are at avoiding things.
02:14:27.000Some people get hit and they learn how to roll with stuff and it takes a tremendous amount of the impact off.
02:14:32.000So you think when MMA fighters are in their 60s and 70s and it's like...
02:14:36.000Not looking good, they might consider no gloves.
02:14:39.000I don't think they're gonna consider it because I think to the general public gloves mean safer.
02:14:49.000I would say if you're talking about public opinion, you're gonna have a lot of the people that aren't really fans that are also gonna weigh in, right?
02:14:58.000So if you have public opinion, should they take the gloves off MMA? There's going to be a lot of people out there arguing passionately that have no idea what they're talking about.
02:15:04.000And they don't understand that gloves mean more dangerous.
02:15:07.000And they will say, no way, it's already barbaric enough.
02:15:10.000It's really what we should concentrate on is putting more pads and more safety procedures and stopping fights quicker and looking out for the safety of these athletes.
02:15:34.000That's the only thing that it does any different.
02:15:37.000If I had to choose between fighting someone with MMA gloves and fighting someone bare knuckle, I'd get hand wraps and MMA, I'd be like, yeah, wrap me up.
02:15:48.000If your hands are fragile, a lot of times guys will hit each other with the palms of the hands instead because you don't want to break your hands.
02:15:55.000You get on top of someone, you could smash their face with a palm of the hand.
02:15:57.000Is this the hardest part of your hand?
02:15:58.000Well, you can hit things hard with a palm and it doesn't hurt at all.
02:16:28.000Do you feel pain when you get hit when you're fighting?
02:16:31.000You feel less pain than you probably would in a regular life because your adrenaline's through the roof and you're in this heightened situation, but you could definitely tell some shots hurt guys.
02:16:40.000Shots to the legs, a lot of times when you get like that second or third leg kick in the same spot on the legs from a really good leg kicker, there's like a jolt that goes to your whole body.
02:17:00.000The outside edge of it is kind of tender.
02:17:02.000Especially if you're not a person who's used to getting kicked there.
02:17:05.000And if someone like a Maurice Smith or an Ernesto Hoos, like a world champion kickboxer, slams a shin into there, it is extraordinarily painful.
02:17:15.000Because I remember that girl that got her arm bitten off by a shark, Bethany someone, she said that when she heard the sound, she heard it, the crunch, but she felt no pain.
02:17:27.000In fact, she said it felt like blissful, like orgasmic because so much dopamine goes to the area so that you don't give up.
02:23:18.000They felt like just putting on garden gloves on your feet.
02:23:21.000But can you walk on rocks and stuff and it feels fine?
02:23:24.000I walked outside in my little parking lot and it was like, nah, I feel like it felt barefoot, like glass was going to go right through my foot.
02:23:56.000In fact, when I was in Hawaii, I accidentally cut one of my bowstrings with the broadhead from the arrow, just touched it, and I didn't even know it happened.
02:24:29.000You know, if I'm in the ocean, it's great to catch fish, and then, you know, you bring it, like if you're staying at a restaurant or at a hotel.
02:29:53.000Someone told me that they were told by a construction guy that Jennifer Lopez called them and told them to take Ben Affleck's basketball court that he has and move it to her house.
02:35:52.000It's just so symbolic, I feel like now.
02:35:56.000I've had financial arrangements with friends before that go south, and it just gets real weird.
02:36:00.000If you were dating now, let's say we're in some alternative string theory universe where you were dating, would you pay for everything if you were starting from scratch?
02:36:08.000If I was starting from scratch with a person?
02:37:56.000Working at a restaurant, one of the last jobs I had was a brand new restaurant, and the rule they were coming up with to decide how much we had to tip out to our co-workers Was basing it off of us getting 20% off of every table.
02:39:55.000I was discussing this with someone at the end of the night, and we kind of came to the conclusion it might be, not for sure, but it might be that, let's say a guy's taking care of the bill, he might feel shittier, or it might be more okay being shittier to a guy than a girl that's taking care of him.
02:40:41.000But if you're at a really good restaurant, you're a really good male waiter who knows exactly what kind of fucking Dijon sauce is in the preparation.
02:40:49.000Then you have to be almost way above and beyond the job, knowing way deep, being anticipating everything.
02:41:10.000But I would think that if you were like a waiter, like, I'm always fascinated when you go to a nice Italian restaurant, and the waiter's obviously from Italy.
02:42:00.000What's the most fucked-up thing you've ever seen in a restaurant?
02:42:02.000Like, restaurants are just nightmares, right?
02:42:04.000Not fucked up, but I just remember, because I explained this too, the newer restaurant I worked at that was expecting that 20%, the clientele they were trying to attract was like a white tablecloth kind of thing, although it was not in that kind of place and was not that kind of restaurant.
02:42:18.000And one of my first tables I got that was expecting that service, I like cleared the gentleman's plate before his wife, before she was...
02:42:34.000My boss, he got yelled at by the client and then the next day he was like, hey, just so you know, don't take people's plates until everybody's done.
02:44:54.000When seafood buyers found the fish adaptable in terms of taste and texture, they rebranded it as Chilean sea bass and peddled it as a gourmet fare.
02:45:01.000Is that legal to just lie about what you're eating?
02:45:19.000Look, long considered worthless, the Patagonian toothfish can live up to 50 years and grow to 7 feet long.
02:45:25.000But when seafood buyers found the fish adaptable in terms of taste and texture, they rebranded it as Chilean sea bass and peddled it as gourmet fare.
02:49:08.000He met, choreographed, blah, blah, blah, when she auditioned to be one of his backup dancers in 1994. They married in 96. They had three children before their divorce in 2009. Since then, he has gone on a dick-slinging rampage of epic proportion.
02:49:23.000The singer explained the grounds of their divorce in his 2012 autobiography, Sola Coaster, The Diary of Me.
02:51:09.000I think there's a lot of people that want to be led.
02:51:13.000I think there's a lot of people that, like, just how some people are born tall.
02:51:17.000I mean, I had a joke about this, like, when I was trying to explain to my kids something, and I was like, you know, some people have big ears, and some people have little ears.
02:51:24.000Well, some people have brains that are made out of dog shit.
02:52:02.000I just want to be told what to do by someone who's confident in Alpha.
02:52:06.000It's 100% absolutely evident to almost anybody that I know that's honest that there are people out there that are far smarter than them, right?
02:52:13.000I have them on my podcast all the time.
02:52:15.000I talk to astrophysicists and people breaking down the actual fiber of reality, and you try to talk to them and have them explain things to you, and it's like abundantly clear that I'm not nearly as smart as them.
02:52:28.000But I talk to a lot of people, and you tell, like, somewhere in the conversation, like, this is all you got to work with.
02:52:37.000We've all met people, and it's not even their fault.
02:52:39.000It's just like, this is what they have to work with.
02:52:41.000But nobody wants to entertain that idea.
02:52:43.000We all want to pretend that we're on the same starting line.
02:52:46.000But if we're not on the same starting line with dick size, and with height, and with physical strength, and with all the other attributes that people possess, why the fuck would we be on the same with mind power?
02:53:04.000For sure, there's a general sort of range that most of us fall into and you can for sure improve upon that with really good schooling and study and discipline and supportive family and all the good things that we're all aware of.
02:53:16.000But there's always going to be these fucking people that are way smarter.
02:53:33.000So if that's the case, if you're going to meet people like that, and I think you have and I know I have, for sure there's people that no matter what you say, you're not going to help them.
02:53:42.000And if that person, that dumb person, runs into an R. Kelly and he's like, what we're doing right now is communicating with Saturn through love.
02:53:59.000We're going to get there through Earth.
02:54:00.000We're going to get there through my bedroom.
02:54:02.000And he's going to fuck you to the center of Saturn.
02:54:05.000Yeah, or he's just like, I have $150 million.
02:54:08.000Yeah, like when he's banging you, just sort of like when Kinnison was yelling about Jesus, and you sort of want to believe, and you feel it in your body.
02:54:14.000Or he's like, I'll feed you dinner if you come to my house.
02:54:17.000I mean, I think it's really susceptible, vulnerable people.
02:56:01.000It's almost as good as that R. Kelly video you showed me in terms of the emotions it evokes, but did you ever see the guy at the comedy store who wore a dollhouse on his head?
02:56:49.000It's just probably not the smartest way to live, but the message that he's given when he walks around like that is of one who is a disciple of Jesus.
02:57:01.000So you see him, he looks like Jesus, he's dressed like Jesus, and you think, eh, guy's probably fine.
02:58:35.000It says a group of mental phenomena involving the presence of either religiosity-themed obsessive ideas, delusions, or other psychosis-like experiences that are triggered by a visit to the city of Jerusalem.
02:59:39.000I listened to, I think it was on How Stuff Works or something, how, because of the heat and the way the South is so humid, that hookworm was so prevalent.
02:59:48.000They were finding hookworm in all of their feces, and it eats away your brain.
02:59:52.000And something like 70% of all Southerners had hookworm.
03:00:27.000Stereotypes are almost always the conclusion of lazy science.
03:00:31.000They're just empirical generalizations.
03:00:33.000That are stripped of their variances and encoded as fact into the collective consciousness of the general population.
03:00:41.000However, sometimes a stereotype reveals a hidden truth that provides an origin to the myth.
03:00:46.000The trope of the lazy southerner dates back to America's postbellum period following the end of the Civil War.
03:00:52.000No one really knows where it came from, but the image of a lethargic, filthy, drawing farmer has pervaded art, literature, and popular culture up until this very moment.
03:01:03.000So one argument recently published by Rachel Neuer for PBS Nova Text presents some compelling evidence for the theory that a hookworm epidemic was responsible for the rural stereotype.
03:01:15.000The germ of laziness due to the exhaustion and mental fogginess it tends to inflict upon its victims.
03:01:19.000Historical evidence shows that the parasite ravaged the American South throughout the early 20th century as a result of poor sanitation and lack of public health programs among the poor.
03:01:53.000Once they penetrate the skin, they travel through their host's lungs and into their intestines where they survive on a diet of blood they suck out from the intestinal wall.
03:02:00.000A female hookworm can lay up to 10,000 eggs in a single day, which gives you an idea of how rampant a localized infestation can become in a very short time.
03:02:08.000The laziness that is synonymous with hookworm infections is a synonym of iron deficiency anemia due to blood loss.
03:02:25.000Children with hookworms were plagued with attention deficit disorders, lower IQ, and the infected often had strange food cravings for dirt, clay, paper, and chalk.
03:03:56.000So these rats literally get enlarged in some of them.
03:03:59.000Their balls swell up and their dicks get hard and they go to find the rats.
03:04:04.000And so, or they go to find the cats, rather.
03:04:06.000When they go to find the cats, they get killed.
03:04:07.000The bacteria gets inside the cat and doesn't seem to have any effect on the cat, but then the cat shit has an effect on women in particular, where they tell women, like, see how that rat is, like...
03:05:42.000One of these doctors told them when we would get a guy who died from motorcycle crash, we'd test him for toxo and it was a disproportionate number.
03:05:48.000And they think toxo is making people reckless.
03:05:50.000And there's also a connection in some strange way to soccer teams that are successful.
03:05:56.000They find a disproportionate number of soccer teams that are successful.
03:06:17.000Why isn't this on the front of every magazine?
03:06:20.000Well, people like Sapolsky have only been studying and only been aware of it for the last couple of decades.
03:06:26.000And, you know, as people have grown up and talked about all the various factors for why people behave the way they behave, this is just recently coming into the realm of understanding.
03:06:33.000It's not a real, like, well-established fact for many, many, many years.
03:06:40.000Done a lot of incredible work on it, and you can, you know, read his lecture, or listen to his lectures, rather, or read them, in fact, and some of the shit that he tells you about it.
03:11:10.000No, but when I had a deviated septum operation, they put these plastic stints in there and opened everything nice, and they cut away the turbinates, they cut away all this tissue.
03:11:19.000They showed me all the tissue that was removed from my nose.
03:11:25.000It was like, yeah, a lot of scar tissue and a lot of...
03:11:28.000When you get blood clots, like the same stuff that happens with cauliflower ear, what that is is...
03:11:36.000There's blood leaking in between the tissue cells, and then it stays in there, pools up, and then it calcifies.
03:11:41.000And when it calcifies, it literally becomes like a rock.
03:11:45.000And you can get that stuff in your nose, too.
03:11:47.000In some guys, you get calcification in there, and it hardens up, and you also get a lot of scar tissue, and it closes up the nose windhole.
03:14:03.000I know a dude who got cauliflower ear and then somehow or another got a staph infection inside of his ear and it was so bad they had to remove his ear and they had to solder it because the infection was so prevalent he was constantly leaking fluid out of his ear.
03:16:56.000They had a screen up, and they projected 3D images on the screen, and you couldn't take your cellphones in, so it's really hard to find anything about this.
03:17:03.000But, yeah, it was a really cool experience.