Courtney won the Moab 240, a 238 mile endurance race through the Utah desert and canyons. She beat the second place person by more than 20 miles. How did she do that? How old is she? How does she do it? What is her secret sauce? And how does she manage to do it at such a young age? In this episode, we talk about how she did it, how she got into running marathons, and what she does to keep pushing through pain. Courtney also talks about the importance of meditation and how she uses it to deal with the pain that comes with running long distance races. She talks about what she's learned along the way and why she thinks meditation is a great tool for dealing with pain. She also shares some tips on how to overcome pain and keep going no matter how bad it gets. You won't want to miss this episode! If you haven't done so already, don't forget to subscribe and leave us a rating and review on Apple Podcasts! We're listening to your favorite streaming platform so we can keep you up to date on what's going on in the world of podcasting! 5 stars is much appreciated and really helps spread the word about what we're doing here! Thank you for listening and supporting this podcast! XOXOXO! Cheers, EJ & Brett - The EJ and Jonny Love ya! - Jonny & Jonny xx <3 - The Cheers Crew -Jonny & EJG - Jonny is a big fan of this podcast & Jon is a good friend of the podcast, Jonny's work is amazing. - EJ is a lot of work is really good, so please give us a shout out to Jonny for helping us out with the podcast and he really helps us out there with all of his support is amazing, so we really appreciate it. Thank you so much Jonny s work is so much so much - thank you for all the love & support is appreciated! -Jonnie's work and support is much more than you can do it's so much appreciate it's a lot more than that's appreciated by us getting the chance to help us out here :) - Thank you, Jonnie is amazing and so much of it's worth it, Jonnie's support is really appreciative - JONNY & JUICY!
00:01:33.000Back in junior high, high school, I ran cross country and track and continued endurance sports through college and tried some marathons and then it was just like a natural segue into trail racing.
00:01:47.000But it's just the way you're beating these people is insane.
00:02:11.000You could go, go to sleep, get 8 hours sleep, have a nice meal, sit down, and then just show up clean and showered and everything like that.
00:03:13.000No, but really like objectively, like how are you so much better than everybody else?
00:03:18.000I don't know that I'm physically better than any of them but I have been really trying to learn how to like tap into my brain when it physically becomes hard because I think our brain can help us overcome so much and it's so powerful so kind of that mind over matter thing and when it physically becomes impossible to try and switch gears and to like have it be a mental thing and just keep pushing.
00:03:54.000I keep on doing these races that put me in uncomfortable physical states and then I try and keep in mind that my brain can help me overcome this physical pain if I just keep going.
00:04:20.000Probably could give some of that credit to my parents or my upbringing or coaches I've had along the way.
00:04:26.000But in this past couple of years, it's been just not letting myself have an excuse to stop.
00:04:35.000That's terrifying to everybody else, because if you did decide to start learning meditation or something, what if it took you to another level?
00:05:18.000How many people do you know where their life sort of never changes, but they're always doing self-help seminars and reading all these books and fucking nothing changes.
00:06:40.000I didn't use them until the probably last quarter of the race.
00:06:45.000And they were helpful just as my feet were becoming a little more tender and my muscles not quite as quick to catch me on the downhills and the uphills just to like disperse the effort a little bit to my arms.
00:07:53.000I'm pretty sure I was like stumbling my way down that a lot less gracefully.
00:07:59.000Well, how come these guys can't do it the way you do it though?
00:08:02.000Like something's going on because like this has got to be like insane for the other people that were running it that you win by these giant margins.
00:09:00.000Like, I would expect that someone who is so far ahead of the rest of the pack that you would have some, like, you go to Colorado Springs, the Olympic training program, and they get you hooked up to these Rocky IV machines, like they had Drago, the Russian guy, and you're doing all this stuff, and they got, like, a music video soundtrack playing in the background.
00:09:55.000Like, when did you sign up for this race?
00:09:57.000When did you know that you were gonna do it?
00:10:00.000I signed up in May, but I also was signed up for a 100-mile race a month prior to Moab, so like mid-September.
00:10:11.000And so my preparation was mostly for that 100-mile race.
00:10:15.000And then after the 100-miler, it was just trying to recover, make sure my legs and body felt fresh again, and then got squeezed in a couple more weeks of solid training to get ready for Moab.
00:10:27.000It's so funny, because you say 100 miles, I'm like, that ain't shit.
00:10:46.000How long does it take you to run a hundred miles?
00:10:50.000Usually somewhere around 24 hours or under, depending on the trail and the climbing and stuff.
00:10:56.000So when you're getting ready, so you're preparing mostly for the 100-mile race, and then it's sort of recovery, and then did the 100-mile race essentially get you in condition for the 240?
00:11:05.000Yeah, that's what I hoped, is that it could be a good springboard to the next one.
00:11:09.000So is that condition, is that a mental thing, or are we talking about a physical thing and a mental thing?
00:11:17.000Yeah, your body is important, so the physical aspect is important as well.
00:11:23.000And just being able to pound your legs for the amount of time, the amount of miles that you need to for these races is physically learned, for sure.
00:11:34.000So what kind of daily miles were you putting in when you were getting ready for the 100?
00:11:38.000I would average about 100 miles per week.
00:12:35.000You know, where you go so hard that you're kind of overtraining, and even though you can sustain it, really you get better performance out of pushing less.
00:13:13.000So, like, forget about the second place person who you could have taken a nice, restful eight-hour sleep, gotten a fine meal at a restaurant, had a glass of wine, and took a shower, and brushed your teeth, painted your toenails, if you have any left.
00:14:10.000So, like, when you say you felt like a human again, like, what do you mean by that?
00:14:16.000For me, those first couple nights after, I don't sleep very well.
00:14:20.000I think, like, everything's just on overdrive.
00:14:22.000My legs are throbbing and uncomfortable, and it's hard to, like, turn your brain off as much as you want to.
00:14:29.000So I was finally, like, getting good, normal sleep by Wednesday, and it kind of messed with my appetite for a couple days as well, where food just, like, wasn't—it didn't sound that great, even though I was, like, totally depleted of nutrition.
00:16:30.000I'm sure this sounds crazy to you, but my friend Brian Stevens, he was texting me the whole way back and forth while this was going on, and he was looking at your numbers and your times.
00:18:18.000You know, with the tracking system that we had, when I left the last aid station, there's like 17 miles to go.
00:18:27.000And it was pretty much, we could see that it was certain that I could get to the line first as long as I didn't like take a nap out there or become like physically incapable.
00:18:57.000It was nice because I was running with my husband at that point and we could enjoy the trail and not be super anxious about trying to be really efficient, but just trying to be efficient on the course.
00:19:11.000But then we saw that getting under 58 hours was possible.
00:19:15.000So then I got a little bee in my bonnet about trying to push the pace a little bit more.
00:19:57.000He spent the day in the car, the couple days in the car, and I had a fantastic crew of friends out there.
00:20:03.000And in these races, you can have pacers for certain sections.
00:20:07.000So I could have a buddy run with me who was fresh, and their brain and their eyes and their legs were more alert to help me just keep track of the course flags, like staying on course and stuff like that.
00:21:20.000Yeah, and I was still pretty amped up, so I couldn't shut my brain off, even though it was becoming pretty delirious.
00:21:28.000So then I left that aid station after laying in the car for 20 minutes, and I was on the trail with one of my good friends and pacers, and I was falling asleep as I was running, zigzagging all over the trail.
00:21:42.000So at one point, I was bent over, and I was like, Faceplanting towards the ground and he's like, just lay down, take a nap right here, right on the trail.
00:21:51.000So I'm laying down, already snoring as I'm like, one minute, just one minute.
00:21:56.000Wakes me up one minute later and I was more alert than I've ever been.
00:22:01.000And then we were super pumped up the rest of the time because we were like, a one minute nap, it worked!
00:22:07.000That's the craziest thing I've ever heard in my life.
00:23:03.000And what was cool is, as I was laying on the trail for one minute, it was dark and beautiful stars out, and there were elk bugling, like, up on the hillside.
00:25:29.000But I think it's just like shadows and your brain is too tired to like process so it just like jumbles them together into something that would make sense.
00:26:05.000Otherwise just a lot of like random faces on trees or rocks and stuff like that.
00:26:10.000Now, as you're running, right, and you're running for 50-whatever miles or 58 hours and you're constantly moving forward, is there a point in time where your body, like, what does it feel like?
00:26:24.000Are you, like, in constant pain or are you just numb to it?
00:26:46.000And then that wave will eventually come crashing down where things are hurting again.
00:26:51.000You might be like whimpering along for a little bit, but the cool part about these is that those waves like, I mean, they always come and then they go.
00:27:00.000So you ride this like high and low the whole race.
00:27:04.000And when it gets really low, when you're feeling awful, you just have to remember that you're going to feel better again soon.
00:27:19.000I don't know, like a switch flips or sometimes I'll like intentionally during those lows take more calories in thinking maybe that will help just like give my body some something to burn for a while to make it happy again.
00:27:34.000What kind of stuff can you eat while you're running this much?
00:27:37.000In one this length, I was doing a lot of water, Gatorade, and then there's this powder you can put in water called Tailwind.
00:27:46.000It has electrolytes and 200 calories per bottle, so you're getting in calories.
00:27:52.000And then normal athletic foods like Honey Stinger products, which are gels and shoes and stuff.
00:30:26.000I wasn't until I was having this problem and then it was like we gotta try and stop this because that's not good either to go as often as that.
00:31:20.000And I don't even really know the exact contents of that tailwind powder that I was putting in.
00:31:27.000I know it has lots of electrolytes and stuff like that that's supposed to help, but I'm not sure if it has some of the other pieces that people need during these.
00:31:36.000Now, before the race gets started, do you hyperhydrate?
00:31:39.000Do you drink a ton of water to get ready?
00:32:15.000I mean, it was this big adventure that I had high expectations of myself while at the same time having no expectations of myself because I didn't know how it was gonna go.
00:32:27.000And I really wanted to just enjoy Being out there, like, moving my body with my feet for multiple days was really exciting.
00:32:36.000So I was pumped at the beginning and spent those first probably 50 miles, like, running with various people through the desert.
00:32:44.000There's, like, canyon walls just, like, towering on every side and just trying to enjoy that, like, this is just the beginning.
00:32:52.000If you start to think about, like, how far you have to go, you're going to freak yourself out.
00:33:23.000Tuesday night and so no matter what happened out there I was going to make sure I'm finished this race even if I was Coming in Tuesday night like if it meant I had to sleep for Many many hours or multiple times or if I had to like death march my way around the desert I was gonna finish it death march You know just like slow.
00:33:46.000Oh, okay That's a harsh way of looking at it, though.
00:33:55.000I did notice that there were some people that were still running.
00:33:58.000You know, after you guys had finished and, you know, after Cam had finished, I stopped looking at the time for quite a while, and then I went like eight hours, nine hours later, and I'm like, oh my god, people are still running.
00:35:18.000Yeah, I put together a pretty good day.
00:35:21.000And when you when you stop and you think about when you reflect and you look back on it, we're like, you know, a week past it was about more than two weeks.
00:35:43.000Just the whole adventure, all the places, all the sights I got to see, the people that I got to meet, the fact that my feet carried me that far.
00:36:42.000I don't actually know the whole story, but he was out on a trail, like, it's a couple miles from my house and got bit and had some, like, weird reaction to it.
00:36:52.000Like, he had help pretty quickly and got to the hospital in pretty good time, but unfortunately, something about his body and that bite, like, wasn't good.
00:38:30.000I think that's actually a good idea, right?
00:38:34.000The latest thing I read that's the best to do is just have a sharpie along.
00:38:39.000Circle where the bite is and mark the time.
00:38:41.000And then every 20 minutes, if you have to hike yourself out or you're trying to get somewhere to go get help, circle it again 20 minutes later to show where the swelling has gotten to so that the doctors have a better idea of how quickly it's moving through you.
00:39:00.000This young man got bit in his arm, and his skin started to die, and his tissue started to die, you know, necrosis.
00:39:09.000And so they had to do all these massive skin grafts and just massive surgeries, and it had essentially rotted down to the bone, and you could see, like, the bone in his arm.
00:40:04.000It was in Montecito, which is like this really nice residential community, and we were driving up the road, and I saw what I thought was a coyote.
00:40:28.000What's really interesting on here is people don't, everyone here is so urbanized that their understanding of what a mountain lion is, is like, you know, they think it's the Lion King.
00:45:09.000So the 100-mile race that I was doing a month before Moab, at about, I mean, 12 miles roughly to the finish line, my vision started blurring, like, in the periphery, and over the course of the next couple miles closed in until it was pure white.
00:46:17.000So since then there's been tons of people kind of talking about it.
00:46:21.000Apparently it happens in Ultros quite often.
00:46:24.000They are thinking it's a corneal edema.
00:46:27.000So basically like I wear contact lenses to see and the like contact mixed with the air and the dryness and all sorts of things cause like a kind of fluid or I'm not really sure how it works.
00:46:43.000Have you ever thought about getting Lasix or something?
00:46:45.000People who have done LASIK also get this corneal edema.
00:46:48.000So for now, I'm just staying with the contacts because I've been learning how to deal with those a little bit better.
00:46:57.000Did that concern you at all when you were about to run 238 miles?
00:47:03.000Yeah, I really didn't want to go blind again.
00:48:31.000Well, I hit my head and it thunked pretty hard and then there was liquid dripping on my face, but I put my hand up to touch it and I couldn't see my hand in front of my face to see if it was blood or not.
00:48:45.000And what is this course like that you're running on?
00:48:48.000It's in Steamboat, Colorado, so mountains and pretty rough trails on this section where I fell.
00:48:56.000Yeah, but the last six miles of the race you finally get to like a fire road, so a little bit wider, a little more room for error if you go crooked.
00:54:22.000But it's still, it's like, it's so weird to watch.
00:54:25.000It's like this thing just trying to run away, and this eagle just knows what to do, swoops down, just grabs him by the neck and wrestles him to the ground.
00:55:53.000I saw a coyote run over the fence with a chicken in his mouth.
00:55:56.000I was sitting with my wife and my kids and we were playing some game, like Monopoly or some shit, and we look out the window and I see a coyote running through the backyard with a chicken in his mouth and he just hops the fence and I open the door just to go, you fucker!
00:57:22.000And, like, a friend of mine said that he had a dog that did that once, that killed his chicken, and he took the dead chicken and tied it on the dog's head and then chained the dog to a tree and left him there for a couple hours.
00:58:51.000Yeah, I mean, fortunately, I've never had to use one in an actual emergency, but you know how after marathons they give everyone like a tinfoil wrap, basically?
00:59:01.000I think it's the same thing where it's like holding in your body heat.
00:59:05.000So if worse comes to worse out there, you've got something to help you get through.
00:59:20.000The pack I was using has bottles so it can carry, I mean at one point I had two and a half liters of water with me for like a really hot long section.
00:59:44.000And it was a really hot exposed day out there in the desert.
00:59:48.000Have you ever been running like Cam was telling me that he did the Bigfoot 200 and there was a stretch where he miscalculated and he realized the terrain and he didn't have any water.
00:59:58.000And he had to go for several hours with no water.
01:00:04.000I don't know if I've ever had to go several hours but yeah I've gotten to the point where it's like Miles and miles away still and you're fresh out of water.
01:00:22.000Also, it can take a big toll out of you mentally if you stress out about it too much.
01:00:27.000But if you're just like, well, this is the situation, the only solution is to get to the next aid station, then I think it is just a blip on the radar.
01:00:39.000And that's what I wanted to get to this about how it transcends how your this your mental fortitude sort of like How it manifests itself in everyday life Like your ability to just deal with shit is so superior to the average person Like when you hear people complain like Starbucks is out of fucking venti lattes is such bullshit,
01:01:02.000you know like no more caramel macchiatos like Normal everyday complaining stuff is like what A lot of people sort of engage in sort of a recreation that people have to complain about nonsense, right?
01:01:23.000If that venti latte was going to make your day, I'm really sorry that they're out, you know?
01:01:28.000But there's got to be a part of you that realizes how, I mean, so many people are just really very weak in terms of their ability to overcome adversity, you know?
01:01:40.000I think they just aren't giving themselves enough credit.
01:01:43.000And I think we're all capable of way more than we think we are if we just jump in and go for it, whatever it is.
01:03:03.000Yep, I have some sponsors and a really supportive husband and my school has been super supportive through all of this and they were like, go see what you can do without the 7am to 7pm shift, you know?
01:03:19.000See what you can make of this and let us know if you want back in teaching ever.
01:03:24.000Did they freak out when you won the Moab?
01:03:28.000Well, one of the guys I teach with was actually one of my pacers out there, so he has been really supportive and awesome to train with, and I haven't actually talked to anyone else at the school since then.
01:03:41.000But they've got to be incredibly proud.
01:03:43.000I mean, to say, hey, go see what you can do.
01:03:53.000And so is this your goal now is to just run?
01:03:58.000Yeah, for the time being, I want to just see what can happen if I really dedicate more time and energy to training and traveling for races and all of the pieces that go with that.
01:04:11.000And what is the woman's name that put on the MOAB? Candice Burt.
01:04:14.000And does Candice like look at, I know, is she involved in Bigfoot as well?
01:04:21.000But does she look at the 240 now and look at you and go, hmm.
01:04:25.000Courtney might be able to do 320. She just the other day suggested on the Moab 200 Facebook group, and she put it out there, what about a 500 mile race?
01:05:18.000So there's races that are called six-day races, and it's just on a small loop, and you try and go as far as you can, do that loop as many times as you can in six days.
01:05:29.000And I'm not actually sure what the record for that is, but I'm certain that it's higher than 238. Okay.
01:05:36.000So when she's talking about a 500, what?
01:08:45.000I guess it was just laziness or I just didn't want to try it.
01:08:48.000But a lot of people's thought process is, well, if you do cardio specific to your athletic event, like if you do jiu-jitsu, just do jiu-jitsu.
01:08:57.000Just do a lot of rolling, do a lot of sparring, and your cardio will go up.
01:09:00.000If you do kickboxing, just do a lot of kickboxing, hit the bag a lot, and your cardio will go up.
01:09:04.000It will, but I maintain that just sheer cardio from running is a different thing, and that your capacity for cardio is expanded, especially when you do hill running or sprints.
01:10:29.000To not just win, but to win by such an enormous margin.
01:10:32.000You know, like, what an inspiration you must be to other young runners that are coming up right now and just know that that's possible, that someone can do that.
01:10:40.000Yeah, I mean, I hope, yeah, to inspire future generations, my niece, like, I mean, that'd be cool.
01:10:48.000I don't know if it's happening, but...
01:12:29.000And do you think that there's anything left?
01:12:34.000Do you think you left anything on the table as far as like when you crossed the line, was there a thought like, I could have done that maybe like five minutes faster?
01:13:48.000He's sitting at home going, fucking 10 hours.
01:13:50.000I bet that guy gets a good night's sleep and brushes his teeth and forgets about it for a little while, gets in his car, and then he's in traffic and the light turns red.
01:16:39.000I mean for this one people had sleep plans.
01:16:42.000There's aid stations out there that have like cots and blankets and you can stay they say for six hours they'll let you sleep there before they boot you to the course.
01:17:59.000That's the cool part, is if people just keep wondering that, then we'll be breaking down all sorts of barriers.
01:18:06.000That's what's fascinating about it to me, as a completely outside observer, is that what you're doing is, you're essentially in unexplored territory.
01:18:17.000And even the training protocols, right?
01:18:20.000Like, your protocol's different than Cam's, and I'm sure that Sean Guy's got a different thing that he did, and everybody's got their own little methods.
01:18:27.000And wasn't there a guy that was leading for a while, but he had a bail at like 150 miles, he couldn't take it anymore?
01:18:33.000Yep, so I was going back and forth for a while with a guy until maybe, yeah, I think it was 150 miles.
01:18:46.000I didn't get to have a conversation with him.
01:18:48.000And does that happen often where someone just comes out of the gate too hard or maybe like he's trying to keep up with you and he outpaced himself?
01:18:56.000Yeah, unfortunately they're called DNFs or did not finish, and those happen pretty frequently.
01:19:04.000What's the percentage, if you had to guess?
01:19:05.000It was a hundred plus people entered, right?
01:19:08.000Yeah, I think the Moab race had way less than a normal 100 mile race, for example.
01:19:20.000I don't know if it's like the mindset going in, you just know it's this big adventure and you're going to be out there for multiple days, so you're ready for that, versus a 100 mile race.
01:19:29.000I mean, people are breaking down barriers with how fast those can be done.
01:19:34.000And so then you're you're going out guns blazing from the start and and then you've got a higher potential for a blow-up that just can't be fixed.
01:19:43.000So is that what happens like your your muscles just break down you get what is it called autolysis or something like that your muscles start eating themselves?
01:19:51.000Yeah, and just like no response you're getting nothing back from them.
01:19:55.000Yeah, and what is that thing that those CrossFit people get?
01:21:02.000I mean, for me, I've been training for this long stuff for seven years now, so I wasn't, like, instantly successful at the 100-mile distance, and it's taken a lot of training and a lot of just learning along the way.
01:21:18.000Now, because of the fact that you ran this 238 mile race at a certain pace and you did so phenomenally, do you feel like your body is now going to be stronger for the next one?
01:21:30.000I hope if I treat it nicely for a little bit here and let it fully recover, that then I can try and springboard off of this for the next thing.
01:22:24.000It's just not incorporated into my normal routine very well.
01:22:29.000Do you think maybe like things along those lines like maybe yoga or weightlifting or stretching would maybe possibly advance you to another level?
01:22:37.000Yeah, I mean I might as well try and see.
01:23:18.000But it seems like it's a fairly good analogy, you know, that it seems that it's a slow, arduous process of improvement and it takes discipline and constant focus and constant attention and just time in.
01:24:07.000No matter if you run or not, I think just figuring out how to deal with situations like that without freaking out and having it wreck your day is huge.
01:24:31.000I mean when you're out there like cruising along some beautiful trails and you're in an amazing place and you feel really good and maybe you're with people or maybe not, it definitely can feel really awesome.
01:24:47.000But people like sort of chase that down, right?
01:24:49.000There's some people that that is like the only way they stay sane.
01:24:53.000I think they got to go out and get their medicine.
01:25:16.000Yeah, the cool part about this running stuff, I mean, you alluded to it earlier, but people in their 40s and 50s and 60s, they're doing these races and still enjoying the trails.
01:25:27.000And I hope to still be doing it in 20 years and 30 years.
01:25:33.000My friend Ari, his dad, who is a Holocaust survivor, who's 80 years old, just ran a marathon in six hours.
01:26:54.000Rhonda Patrick, Dr. Rhonda Patrick, who's this brilliant woman I've had on the podcast a few times, posted something on Twitter just a couple of days ago that rigorous physical exercise can expand, lowers the biological age by as much as nine years.
01:28:13.000So that's an interesting thing because for the long time, telomeres are nucleoprotein caps positioned at the end of chromosomes.
01:28:21.000And aging causes telomeres to shorten significantly and results in gradual cell deterioration.
01:28:27.000And that makes sense because you see people that don't exercise and they get older and they look like shit, as opposed to someone who does exercise and they'll stand right next to them and you go, whoa, those two people the same age?
01:32:25.000But there was actually an article that was written about Silicon Valley CEOs that were taking EPO and doing triathlons and marathon races.
01:32:38.000And they were taking these endurance drugs, these performance enhancing drugs, just for, I mean, just to try to up their performance in these amateur events.
01:32:53.000I mean, I don't even know where the fuck they get it.
01:32:56.000Yeah, I don't know what all that would involve, but I like to think better of the trail running community and that people are pushing just their natural limits without seeing what any sort of drug regimen would do.
01:33:10.000I would like to think better of them too, but I just, because of the UFC, I've seen so many people fail drug tests that I didn't think.
01:35:15.000We're having issues with that in the UFC where guys take just over-the-counter stuff at GNC and it turns out it actually has steroids in it.
01:35:36.000So then it's just your job as an athlete to know what's on the ingredient list and is it okay?
01:35:42.000Yeah, USADA actually has a list of things that have tested positive for steroids and it is crazy.
01:35:51.000I had Jeff Novitski on who is the head of USADA and now works for the UFC's drug enforcement program and trying to catch people cheating and we pulled up the USADA website and your jaw drops.
01:36:39.000Is there something that other runners rely on?
01:36:42.000Is there something that you hear people talk about, like vitamins or supplements or anything?
01:36:47.000No, I think more the conversation is always about the diets and changing up what you eat or what food groups you live in and all of that is more what I hear talk about.
01:37:01.000I'm just not interested in cutting out carbs or cutting out fat.
01:37:42.000Well, you brought up something, too, that I think is really important that really can't be stressed enough, is that everybody's body's different.
01:38:45.000I mean, maybe that could be one of the Lego pieces that I try and fine-tune, but it's not on my to-do list for the near future.
01:38:54.000Yeah, I mean, again, it's like if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
01:38:58.000But what if someone comes creeping up real close to you, Courtney?
01:39:02.000Someone's starting to, like, you're finishing, and they're finishing a couple minutes behind you, and you're like, wow, I might need to kick in the afterburners.
01:39:12.000Is that when you would go to a nutritionist?
01:39:16.000Yeah, I mean there's plenty of people who beat me and I'm just trying to work harder, like train more, train better, get stronger, especially like those core muscles.
01:39:28.000Like what kind of exercises do you do for your core?
01:39:31.000Just like the normal planks and things of that nature.
01:39:35.000And yeah, that doesn't motivate me to change my diet.
01:39:44.000That just is like, okay, you need to train harder.
01:39:47.000You need to put in more work for this.
01:39:49.000But don't you think that the fuel that you use in your body, obviously me giving you any advice is fucking ridiculous, but don't you think that the fuel that goes in your body has some sort of an effect on your performance?