In this episode, the boys talk about the crazy things that go on in the wilds of Australia, including the craziness that is the scrub bull industry, and the dangers of shooting a scrub bull. Also, we talk a little bit about what it's like to be a water buffaloes rancher in the bush, and why it's not as safe as it used to be. We also talk a bit about the future of the cattle industry in Australia, and whether or not it's time to get rid of all the purebred cows. We hope you enjoy this episode and stay tuned for our next episode next Wednesday! P.S. If you like what you hear, please HIT SUBSCRIBE and leave us a rating and review on Apple Podcasts! If you don't, please don't forget to subscribe and tell a friend about our podcast! We're listening to you! Timestamps: 1:00 - What's the craziest thing you've ever shot a cow? 4:30 - How many cows do you have? 6:20 - What does it take? 7:15 - How dangerous are the scrubbulls? 8:40 - Is it safe to shoot a scrubbull? 9:00 11:00- What's it safer than people? 12:30- What kind of cow do you shoot? 13:00 Is there a difference between purebred and wild bull? 14:00, what's better than purebred? 15:30, is it better? 16: Is it better than wild beef? 17:20, what kind of bull breed? 18:00 What are the best? 19:40, is there a good looking animal? 21:00 How do they look different? 22:00 Can they breed better than other cows? 25:00 Do you like them? 26:00 Are they better than the other ones? 27:00 Should they breed like that? 30:00 They look different than the ones you ve got it? 31:00 Which one? 32: What do you think they look like? 33: What would you like to see? 35: What are you looking for? 36:00 The difference between a cow that looks different than a purebred bachelorette? 37:00 Does it matter? 39:00 Could they be better than a cow and a steer?
00:00:01.000I'm scared to ask you too many questions until we get live.
00:00:20.000Got home, pretty much hugged the family to death, went straight to Arnhem Land in the Northern Territory of Australia, complete opposite, like just first thing in the morning just sweating, covered in mosquitoes, flat barren ground.
00:00:33.000And then, but no humans, like a small indigenous population out there and that's it.
00:00:38.000Then straight from there, so straight from Arnhem Land to Sydney, met Kim in Sydney and then straight here to LA and flying in and it was just like...
00:01:19.000The dude that was serving me knew something was going on.
00:01:21.000I kept seeing him looking over my shoulder at this guy.
00:01:24.000He grabs a Bluetooth speaker and is pretending like he's going to go to the checkout and I'm just being polite and thinking there's something going on so let's just get him done and out of the store.
00:01:34.000Then he goes to do a full runner for it, dude, straight out the door with this Bluetooth speaker.
00:01:39.000But old mate had his runners on and chased him down and got it off him.
00:03:29.000So, the problem with these animals, obviously they don't respect fences and they'll go and breed and interbreed with like a farmer's stock and things like that.
00:04:02.000So that first bull that Jamie showed was like a Brahmin bull.
00:04:05.000Then one of those scrub bulls, which is just bits of friggin' every sort of bull over a lot of generations, will come in and interbreed with it and then sort of wrecks the herd.
00:04:14.000And when did they get released, or when did they escape?
00:04:16.000Well, it would have been with the first cattle that come into Australia.
00:06:48.000If I don't know something that I'm doing, I'll go straight to Dudley every time.
00:06:52.000Dudley's podcast, if you're into archery, is called Knock On.
00:06:55.000And the Knock On podcast is, without a doubt, the most in-depth archery podcast from not just hunting, from a hunting standpoint, but from just target archery, how important technique is.
00:07:27.000Because I want to get back to doing other stuff, and when you do a 90-minute yoga class, it's hard to lift weights or run or do anything else.
00:07:34.000You don't really want to do anything else, you know?
00:07:36.000So, I'm just going to bang it out and get it over with.
00:07:38.000Yeah, Kim's done it once and she reckons it was like hell on earth.
00:09:01.000Every time I look at your Instagram feed and I see a brown snake that can kill you or a spider that can kill you or fucking saltwater crocodiles.
00:09:07.000What are you doing playing with crocodiles the other day, man?
00:11:12.000That's why these ones in captivity, because they're getting hand-fed, probably get the biggest.
00:11:17.000That's where you'll see the biggest crocs.
00:11:19.000The Guinness Book of World Records, the saltwater crocodile caught in Australia as the largest crocodile in captivity, measures 17 feet, 11.75 inches, so basically 18 feet.
00:12:59.000But, well, it makes sense that you guys hunt all the non-native species because they're invasive and they devastate the land and the other wildlife.
00:13:08.000You guys have crazy problems with feral cats.
00:13:45.000I couldn't as a bow hunter or just a hunter couldn't get a permit.
00:13:48.000But if you're a professional shooter, like you're shooting for human consumption or pet meat or something like that, or if you're a big landowner, You can get a tag or permit to shoot kangaroos.
00:13:59.000Then every now and then there'll be an organised cull because they let them get so far out of control that they eat the ground down to dust pretty much.
00:14:08.000Then they lay around and die a slow death of a couple of months because they lose nutrition.
00:14:13.000They're weak and they don't move and obviously it's a very painful way for them to go.
00:14:18.000Once it gets to that point it seems like they're like, oh we need to do a cull now.
00:14:22.000So, and all it is, is we've spoken about these people before, the greenies, you know, these people that really don't have a good picture on it and see that a cull or a hunting program is actually better welfare for the animals because they stay healthier and in check.
00:14:37.000Well, yeah, they don't have any predators, essentially.
00:15:00.000I just don't understand why they would not try to keep the crocodiles in check if you've seen hundreds and hundreds of crocodiles like that because what are those things going to eat?
00:16:15.000And we used to go to this place called Lake Alice, and we would throw marshmallows into the water, and the alligators would come up and eat the marshmallows.
00:16:21.000But then they started snatching people's dogs.
00:16:23.000I remember this one lady freaked out, wanted to snatch her dog, just pull it right off her leash, and she was freaked out.
00:17:21.000And it's a conservation thing, too, because it's like you really do need to control their populations.
00:17:26.000Yeah, Australia needs to get to that point.
00:17:28.000What's happening now is they're pushing into domestic waters, you know, like Darwin, the cities, like, build around, you know, a big river.
00:19:38.000They all have like a stump where their arm is and there's Jim.
00:19:42.000And so they wanted to bring in professional hunters to try to help control the population because they were actively targeting the people that live there.
00:19:51.000And these people, I mean, they live in a very small, very primitive village, and all they have is the water.
00:19:57.000I mean, that's where they're getting their water from.
00:19:59.000Which, turn it off, is about to fucking make the kill shot.
00:21:11.000That's why anytime someone complains about Australia or living in the US or whatever, it's like, dude, fucking take a look at what you've got.
00:21:45.000So, to starters, I moved probably 200 buffalo off that waterhole and, like, a couple of mobs of pigs that were all, like, they go right out into the water and try and cool off.
00:21:54.000There's at least one big saltwater crocodile in there as well.
00:21:57.000But I'm walking out there with that bag to collect water.
00:25:17.000But I've never been tent-bound in my life and I'm just like, nah, just keep hunting, don't worry about it.
00:25:24.000This is bad, I probably shouldn't say it, but I literally hunt for five minutes and have to pull my strides down, you know, and then go number twos and then walk for another five minutes and be like, oh, fuck.
00:25:37.000So you just shake your brains out for a couple days?
00:26:22.000He's like, Adam Cringe, he's going to be on the podcast today.
00:26:24.000I heard him, well, Kim sent me a link and she's like, you should listen to this podcast and I listened to it and he's like, I feel like I could be friends with that dude.
00:26:33.000And I'm like, yeah, we can be friends.
00:26:34.000Then he put frigging on Instagram, some dude trying to milk his nipples.
00:27:05.000I missed a lot of things like it makes you realize, you know, like I said, how lucky we are just to have a life.
00:27:11.000And I've always been the person that doesn't take anything for granted anyway, but it's just that, you know, it really rings home, you know, the simple things.
00:27:57.000The whole idea of hunting Colorado was, because last year I had a couple of issues with grizzlies in Montana, and doing it solo, I'm like, you're a dickhead if you do that again, because...
00:28:07.000You've got three young kids and a beautiful wife.
00:28:19.000When I wasn't finding bulls, I ended up moving out of Colorado.
00:28:23.000Went to Idaho and walked into the back of Montana, where there's supposed to be less grizzlies, and that's where I got charged by a grizzly.
00:28:29.000There's a lot of grizzlies in Montana.
00:28:45.000There's black bear in the same area, and I nearly could do the comparison because there was a black bear there and there was a grizzly there.
00:28:53.000I'd seen the black bear first, and you'll see the video.
00:28:57.000I'm like, oh, there's a black bear over there.
00:30:12.000Then slept on the other side of the ridge, then come back through there in the morning, spotted her again in the morning, kept walking out of there.
00:30:20.000Then I got reception again, and then I had a heap of messages.
00:30:23.000There's not supposed to be any grizzlies in Colorado.
00:30:44.000There's a limited amount of people, though.
00:30:45.000There's been multiple sightings in the area.
00:30:48.000I don't want to say the area, because next year I'm going to go back and document it with a decent camera and everything like that.
00:30:53.000To try to get some video of the bears, too?
00:30:56.000Yeah, try and get some real good evidence and stuff like that.
00:30:58.000So I haven't really spoken about it a lot since then, because I just got pounded with messages going, there's no grizzlies in Colorado, you idiot.
00:31:06.000Well, don't you want to tell wildlife biologists or someone?
00:31:09.000Apparently they already know and they don't want to admit it because of the whole Protected Species Act and everything like that.
00:33:03.000This thing would, when she was walking, you could see, like, she's out here like this, you know, like, she had, when they get big and mature, you'll see they've got like a silverback on them, like a gorilla, you know, they've got this silverback on them, like this, it's like the last part of the hair goes silver.
00:33:18.000She's that, she's the right colour, the right shape, the right size and everything, so.
00:33:22.000Hmm, so you only saw her and her cubs or you saw more?
00:35:20.000That's one of the issues that apparently they're dealing with in BC. You know, in BC, when you talk to the people that live there versus the people that are...
00:35:30.000You know how BC has banned grizzly hunting?
00:35:44.000Like, they need, and the hunters, the people that live up there, the outfitters, it's like, you need to take, like, some sort of a census from us.
00:35:55.000And the way they describe it is like there was a Gritty Bowman did a podcast about this with one of the guys that lives up there That's a an outfitter and he was saying we encounter them all the time and they're hyper aggressive Yeah, like you you're talking about people these biologists that are rarely there There's not like any like really involved intricate census that they're doing where they're you know really in-depth Accounting of all the bears.
00:36:19.000He's like, you've got to get information from the people that live there.
00:36:22.000And if you do, they're going to tell you.
00:36:46.000They think, let the predators eat all the game that they can, and then when they don't have enough food, their populations are naturally going to diminish.
00:36:55.000I like the idea, but that ain't going to work.
00:36:58.000Well, it can happen, but it could take 50, 60 years.
00:37:01.000And the problem is, along that, you're going to get a lot of human deaths, you're going to get a lot of pets, you're going to get a lot of animals that are going to invade into farmlands.
00:37:09.000It just seems to me that that's not a wise way to handle it.
00:38:21.000So the place that I end up going into in Montana isn't my usual spot and there wasn't supposed to be as many grizzlies.
00:38:29.000You would have seen the video where I walk over the rise and then all of a sudden we locked eyes at the same time and then in a split second she just comes straight at me.
00:38:39.000And I'll tell the story because heaps of people keep asking, but I'm one of these people that I practice with whatever I'm shooting with.
00:38:48.000Remember when the 3D leafy suits came out?
00:38:52.000It was like a camouflage suit and it had like 3D leaves on it hanging off it.
00:38:57.000And I got laughed at because I went to the archery range and shot in it.
00:39:01.000And the first time I shot in it, the string of the bow hit the leaves and my shot was off.
00:39:35.000Just trying to do a rush shot, thinking if a bear ever gets you, it's going to be in a rush.
00:39:39.000It's not like these, you know, pull the gun out and have a heap of time.
00:39:43.000So I was practicing shooting with one hand and everything like that.
00:39:46.000Anyway, when it come to going on the hunt, he gave me some expensive bullets and they were a hollow point with like a real flat front on it.
00:42:07.000And then I was thinking, the time that she'd come to 10 metres, because I thought she was going to jump me at when she'd come that time, and I was like, fuck, I'm surprised the gun didn't go off, because I'm sure I had the finger on the trigger.
00:42:17.000Like, I just remember thinking, wait, and it happened that fast, and I reckon that second time she'd come at me, when she was about the 12 or 11 metre mark, or even when she'd just come past the original mark that she stopped at, 20 metres, I reckon I'd pulled the trigger and it didn't go off.
00:42:33.000And I kept thinking, like, there's a slide lock on the gun, and I kept thinking that was jammed up, and it wasn't at all.
00:42:38.000So those bullets just didn't fit in that gun?
00:42:46.000I bought bear spray from Cabela's, right?
00:42:50.000This I mean, it was like the world was fucking out to get me.
00:42:53.000I bought bear spray from Cabela's, and it's the only item the lady didn't put in the bag.
00:42:57.000And I got it there, and I unpacked the bags, and I'm like, where's the bear spray?
00:43:00.000Fuck, I don't even have the bear spray.
00:43:03.000Mate, so I was either going to, when she was on me, if I even had this chance, I was either going to pull an arrow out of the bow and just try and stab her or, I don't know, or do you lay dead and cop it or what?
00:43:13.000They say with a female grizzly you just try to lay dead because they're just trying to eliminate a threat to their cubs.
00:43:19.000I feel like it'd be really hard to lay dead when something's scratching you up.
00:43:48.000Yeah, but the drama started way before then, because I'm like, if I'm going to do this hunt, I want to have someone with me, like a hunting buddy.
00:43:55.000I'm not going to do that one solo anymore.
00:43:59.000So I invited Shane Doran, our buddy Shane.
00:44:02.000He was coming and then the tags in Montana got really hard to get so he couldn't get a tag.
00:44:07.000Then I was going to have Under Armour film the hunt but they found out they couldn't film in a wilderness area so they couldn't be there and I'm just like, I'm just destined to go there by myself.
00:44:17.000And it was like I already knew some shit was going to go down.
00:44:21.000It was like everything kept pushing me in that direction.
00:46:05.000When they left some of it there, they went back to go get the elk, and a grizzly bear had obviously claimed it, and they didn't know.
00:46:13.000And they were hanging around, eating sandwiches, they didn't have their guns out, nothing, and the bear just came running in, just charged into all of them.
00:46:21.000One of the guys, Dirt Myth, wound up riding on the back of the bear.
00:46:27.000It is a fucking crazy story, and they're talking about just a giant bear.
00:46:52.000I don't think people understand how big they are.
00:46:54.000I haven't seen a big one in the U.S. in the wild, but I saw a small one in Alberta in the wild, and it scared the shit out of me.
00:47:02.000The one that was on my elk carcass last year, and we spoke about it on last year's podcast, I remember thinking its face is bigger than my whole torso, dude.
00:47:43.000It's when they start getting into, you know, our friends up in Alberta, John and Jen Rivet, they sent me some pictures recently of some bears that had moved into the area.
00:47:53.000Yeah, because they've been pushed out of their good area by grizzlies, right?
00:48:40.000Well, billions of dollars a year come from hunting revenue in this country that go to wildlife preservation, that go to conservation of habitat.
00:48:49.000Backcountry Hunters and Anglers has a great website where all this stuff is detailed.
00:48:53.000Rocky Mountain Elf Federation does a similar thing.
00:48:56.000They have just the detailed numbers on how much money goes into conserving these areas and even repopulating these animals into other areas.
00:49:07.000But there has to be that two sides because it can't go fully one way or fully the other.
00:49:13.000Because if it goes fully one way and we try and frigging wipe them out, no one wants that.
00:49:17.000So there's got to be that middle ground there where I think, what we say, the greenies fight for as well.
00:49:22.000And then it's like, well, we can afford to shoot 200 of those grizzly bears out of the 10,000 that live there or whatever it is, crazy numbers.
00:50:44.000Courtney DeWalter on the podcast, I was talking to her about, you know, people occasionally when they're running these trails, they're running the mountain lions.
00:50:50.000We were talking about this lady who lives in Malibu who has an alpaca farm.
00:50:54.000A mountain lion got into alpacas, killed 11 of them, and a goat.
00:51:20.000And I think a big part of the problem, there's two parts of the problem.
00:51:25.000One, a lack of real wilderness exposure, like real time in the woods, understanding what this whole ecosystem is really all about, because it's just a predator-prey ecosystem.
00:51:36.000And when a hunter goes into that, you're really just dipping your toes into the wild world for a little bit.
00:51:44.000All these fucking bear movies where the bears are your friends, they talk to each other, and all these anthropomorphization movies, you know, whether it's Bambi or whether, you know...
00:51:57.000Whereas if you go out into the woods and see it yourself, you know, it's a much better understanding and a much better experience for the person.
00:52:04.000Right, but way more people get exposed to these movies where the bears talk...
00:52:08.000And they're your buddy, then get exposed to an actual charge from a fucking mama grizzly bear like you did.
00:53:49.000So me and my buddy Andrew Ukels, I've just spent the last week with him in the Arnhem Land in the Northern Territory.
00:53:56.000He'd come, he'd just be sitting in the vehicle driving along and it's all quiet and peaceful and then he would just come up with something weird like, you know, if you had to bring any actor back from the dead to hunt with you for a week, who would it be?
00:56:53.000I think my biggest thought in that is I just want to shoot an animal that's lived its life.
00:56:59.000You know, like, look, if I'm desperate for meat, don't get me wrong, I'll shoot a spike or a cow or whatever, but I'm not desperate for meat in that point of survival, you know, so I just feel a lot better if I shoot an animal that I'm like, it's lived its life.
00:58:02.000And he was just laying there, had no idea I was there.
00:58:06.000But just a younger bull, you could see it in his face and his body and just his antlers.
00:58:11.000But it felt good to be there and then be like, no, I'm back out.
00:58:15.000And then it was that afternoon, I think, that that grizzly went me.
00:58:18.000So, you know, I had opportunities to shoot bulls, but I pretty much went 21 days without an opportunity where I'm like, this is the bull that I'm going to shoot, you know, and I'm getting into the zone.
00:58:28.000Yeah, that's the thing that people, I think, on the outside don't understand or appreciate, is that it's not just about getting meat.
00:58:37.000It's also about getting a mature animal, and it's also about getting a mature animal because they're way more difficult to shoot.
01:00:34.000So there was like a week and a half on that trip that probably a lot of people didn't realize that I'm without my kids and family, you know.
01:00:49.000I'm saying to Kim, I'm like, you fuck this for me, because I'm sitting on the mountain like, you know, this is, I'm in my element up there.
01:00:57.000Like, it's out in the middle of nowhere, there's no people, there's no lights, you know, there's just wild animals running around.
01:01:02.000And I'm sitting on the mountain, I'm like, fuck, I miss Kim.
01:01:06.000But don't you think that that's one of the reasons why you appreciate them even more?
01:01:10.000I mean, obviously you appreciate your family so much as it is, but...
01:01:13.000You know, I said once to Steve Rinello, we did this crazy hunt in Prince of Wales, and it rained every day, and we were just drenched.
01:01:20.000You're inside your tent, and the tent, like, I turned on my headlamp, and there was just water vapor everywhere in the tent.
01:04:01.000So I had to sleep there that night because I wasn't walking out in the dark and the worst thing is I'm sleeping at the elevation that she's at and she's only about 400 metres in a direct line from my camp.
01:04:31.000Yeah, so I couldn't have the magazine in there, because it would jam on the bullet, but I could drop a shell in there manually, and that'd be good to go.
01:05:16.000A buddy that's had really good experience in Northwest Territories, where there's black bears and grizzlies living in the same area, he's experienced the two fighting, and it's never like the black bear going to the grizzly.
01:05:28.000It's always the grizzly running down the black bear.
01:05:30.000He said, one swipe from a grizzly bear, you know how big a black bear is, one swipe from a grizzly bear, and the black bear, it mightn't be dead, but it's fucking disabled, mate.
01:09:14.000If they were just running around in the wild still, we'd just have a normal name for them and it wouldn't be any different because we're used to seeing them, dude.
01:09:31.000I've always said that if space wasn't real, like if there was a roof over the world, but there was one place where you could go where you could see space, everybody would want to take a trip to that spot.
01:10:30.000Like, I'm there and I don't go to sleep till 1 or 2 o'clock in the morning because I'm just laying there looking up or taking photos and I'm just like, what's out there?
01:11:05.000I feel like we're just all fucking pigs now because there's so many options out there in food, and I reckon our taste buds have changed and everything.
01:11:14.000Well, no doubt our taste buds have changed.
01:11:18.000Stuff back then wouldn't be bland, but if you just ate those real simple items now, it'd be bland as hell, you know.
01:11:24.000I need sauce on it, I need to put salt on it, I need to do this.
01:11:28.000I just feel like we're turning into frigging pigs because there's so many options for food out there that we just keep shoveling and we just take it all for granted as well.
01:13:20.000It's just in the Insta story, so Jamie won't find it.
01:13:22.000But me and Ukuls are looking at some paintings, and then I look down, and I'm like, there's a whole human remains tucked in the rocks there, wrapped in paper bark, which is a...
01:13:32.000Do you have paper bark in America, a type of tree?
01:14:25.000You would have heard about their dream time.
01:14:26.000So whether it's recording their dream time, you know, the Indigenous would do these rock arts and sometimes they'd be carvings.
01:14:35.000So if you go to like the Dampier Archipelago in Western Australia, which is in the Pilbara region, they're all carvings in rock, like literally scribed in the rock.
01:14:46.000The detail that you'd get, like it's so hard describing a rock, they'd get this detail in this rock that was just amazing.
01:14:53.000These are paintings where they'd grind up different stones and get different texture and colours and see those handprints, those handprints have been put up, their hands go on the wall and then they spray it out of their mouth so they make like a liquid form.
01:15:05.000And essentially it's like a spray painting, you know, but they're using their mouth.
01:15:30.000I'm one of about two white fellas that have been to this area and a traditional elder took us there, like a traditional owner took us up there.
01:15:38.000She couldn't go up there and the only reason we were allowed in there was because this mob of people, they don't exist anymore.
01:15:45.000The last of them has passed away so it was okay to go in there.
01:15:49.000So, to take you into the full story, we had beaten down this bush track for hours and hours, and we pull up at a little creek system, and she just sort of pointed it out.
01:16:00.000She said, look, if you go up to the escarpment there and into a cave or whatever, you'll see...
01:16:05.000You know, the artefacts and everything that's up there.
01:16:07.000So this is untouched, like crazily untouched, this spot.
01:16:11.000And we go in there and it's like a frigging lost city but all natural, like rocks just pushed up out of the ground and then you see the mouth of the cave and a couple of paintings on it.
01:16:20.000Then you walk into the cave and this cave is 60, 70 metres long.
01:16:25.000It's probably 30 metres wide and the roof's probably...
01:16:31.000Let's say 10 metres tall and the whole way through this cave system is those paintings.
01:16:37.000How did they even reach the top of the cave?
01:16:39.000There's no big rocks or anything sitting around anymore.
01:16:42.000There's still the grinding stones there, Joe, where they were grinding up the different paints because that's what they'd do.
01:16:48.000They'd grind it up and work it into a paste to paint with.
01:16:51.000That's all still sitting there and there's 30 human remains just sitting in the cave in a pile there as well.
01:17:01.000So the Indigenous story goes, you know, and this might be a part of the Dreamtime, I don't want to get this bit wrong, but it might be a part of like a Dreamtime story and how it happened, but the Dreamtime story is the kids descended off the, from the cave down onto,
01:17:17.000from the escarpment down onto the flats, and the kids were told not to kill any serpents, like don't kill a snake, you know, they were off limits.
01:17:25.000And the kids go down there and they can't find anything to eat and they find a serpent, like a young snake.
01:17:32.000So they grab the snake and they cut its head off and it doesn't die.
01:17:35.000It keeps squiggling and moving around.
01:17:56.000The kids go back up to the escarpment and into the cave, but the mother serpent comes up, and there never used to be a creek there, and she come up with such a rage that she carved the creek through the land.
01:18:06.000So this is how a lot of their Dreamtime stories go.
01:18:09.000And so she carved that creek in that we're actually camped on.
01:18:13.000She went up, she found the people in the cave after finding her young dead, and she lit a fire all the way around them.
01:18:19.000She raced them into the cave, and she burned them out, and she burned them to death.
01:18:24.000So, you know, that's the Indigenous story.
01:18:28.000The whitefella story is the Indigenous, and I'm not saying one's true or one's not true, but I'll tell you how the story goes.
01:18:37.000The whitefella story is that was one of the first cattle stations in the Northern Territory of Australia, and the Indigenous were picking off cattle to eat, you know, and they wouldn't have known any different, right?
01:20:39.000And one of the things that you were telling me that I thought was really fascinating, we were just hanging out at my house, was how many different languages they have.
01:20:47.000There's like, I think there's over 700 dialects.
01:20:50.000And you could literally have a mob of indigenous on this part of the mainland, and just a little bit further down another mob of indigenous, and they wouldn't speak the same language.
01:21:21.000So there's now findings to suggest that Egyptians come over at some point, especially these two brothers.
01:21:29.000And one of the brothers, there's a story that goes, one of the brothers was really sick and, you know, he had to look after him and...
01:21:37.000I can't remember how it ends, but, you know, that Egyptians had come here just because of some of the signs that they found, and, like, there was, like, a story noted down on some rocks and things like that.
01:21:46.000So it's really crazy, the history behind Australia, when you think of it like that, and when you think of how young it is.
01:21:58.000Kakadu rewrites the history of Australia.
01:22:01.000Northern Territory Aboriginal people have lived in Australia a minimum of 65,000 years.
01:22:06.000A team of archaeologists has established 18,000 years longer than it had been proved previously, and at least 5,000 years longer than it had been speculated by the most optimistic researchers.
01:23:20.000And they couldn't understand each other.
01:23:22.000Nope, they couldn't understand each other.
01:23:23.000So with my business, like I've been very fortunate to work closely with a lot of indigenous people, whether it's Arnhem Land, where I go hunting a lot, or it's with my business.
01:23:34.000Because in my business, I've got a joint venture with an indigenous business owner.
01:24:01.000The mining companies that I work for, Would prefer an Indigenous joint venture owner of 25%, then what I've taken on through myself is just I want the 25% or more Indigenous employees as well,
01:24:20.000So I've been close to a lot of them and you hear a lot of their different stories, but one of the things is where my business is, the Sorry, the woman has the say in the relationship,
01:24:36.000everything financial, everything like that.
01:24:38.000But just two hours away, the man has...
01:24:40.000It's the complete opposite, and the man has the say in everything.
01:24:46.000But anyway, some of these Indigenous...
01:24:49.000You know, have married into, you know, someone from two hours away, like the Pilbara region, and they're always like, oh, can we move back to, like, Onslow, where the man gets to say it's really, really funny.
01:25:02.000But I'm just like, but in my relationship, it's whoever's the most fucking pissed off in the day gets to say.
01:25:08.000You're both a little bit of both, then.
01:25:30.000And it's really hard for a lot of Westerners to understand...
01:25:35.000So I'll tell you one story about old Kevin, traditional owner that I go hunting out on his land.
01:25:42.000He's been out on camp with me for a couple of weeks and he hasn't had anything but water and a bit of red meat that I've shot him and stuff like that.
01:28:04.000Because they'd get their paycheck and they'd just be happy and go off with it for those couple of months or whatever.
01:28:10.000They're not all like that, but a lot of them would do that.
01:28:12.000And it took me a long time to understand, especially being a business owner and just wanting everything to run nice and smooth, that that's just how a lot of them are.
01:28:21.000And it is something to be envious about.
01:28:23.000Because the other thing that would happen...
01:28:26.000And the mine sites were pushing for Indigenous employees at this time, and I'd load them up with Indigenous employees.
01:28:34.000Then there'd be a death, you know, in the family, and a funeral.
01:28:39.000They won't bury their dead until everyone from the mobs there.
01:28:43.000And because some of them live so far out in bush, you know, it could take a week for a funeral, or some funerals go for weeks and weeks, months, dude.
01:28:52.000And these guys wouldn't show up and I'd have the client ringing me up saying, you know, like, what's going on?
01:32:28.000So they're not too bad, but I've never looked up scorpions before because I've never been bitten by them, and I've just heard a few rumours that you can get really sick from the little ones, and I picked up a bit of timber while I was building the barn that I was doing,
01:32:44.000and originally I thought it was just a splinter that cracked me, and then, dude, this hand felt like it was about 10 times the size.
01:32:51.000Like, in 20 seconds, this hand just felt like it was just swelling up.
01:36:24.000I've actually had my head back on a stick before and it was curled right up behind my head and they'll lift up and have a look in the grass and he lifted right up beside me.
01:37:13.000Yeah, and then you'll find him on YouTube.
01:37:17.000Then he's got this video where he catches, I think it's two brown snakes and a red-bellied black snake, and he puts them down in rabbit holes, and then they chase the rabbits out.
01:39:54.000He lassoes one of those, but because of how the horns are, he can only get a lasso around one horn, so it comes off, made it, I've got it on video, it misses him by...
01:41:34.000He's wearing gym shorts and he's he's give me some volume so I can hear this crazy fuck talk In that last bit of footage you can see me rolling on the ground So they could get animals.
01:44:01.000He's about to do some massive trek, dude, with nothing and just walk through some wild country.
01:44:08.000And so one of the reasons why he was in Arnhem Land with me up north was he's trying to learn off the indigenous about a lot of the bush tucker, like a lot of the food that he can find out in the bush, like yams and different like fruits and stuff like that.
01:44:23.000He knows all the wildlife stuff that he can eat, but the indigenous have spent a long time trying to work out what they can and can't eat.
01:44:32.000And there's heaps of things that you can eat, but they've got to be boiled for a certain amount of period.
01:44:36.000You can only eat to this far into it and things like that.
01:45:05.000It's a root that if you eat it raw, it's super toxic.
01:45:10.000There's a whole really involved process where you have to soak it, and then you have to drain it, and they have to cook it, and then it turns it into, there's actually cyanide that comes out of it.
01:45:27.000Yeah, see if you can find a video, Jamie, on preparation of cassava.
01:46:40.000But yeah, I mean, how long did it take them to figure out that if they can grind that plant up, throw it in the water, that the fish will suffocate?
01:46:45.000How many people died eating it themselves because it looks like a fruit?
01:48:15.000The smallest mistake in preparation could be fatal, but Tokyo City's government is planning to ease restrictions that allow only highly trained and licensed chef to serve the dish.
01:48:43.000So how good did that elk taste though, knowing all you went through it?
01:48:47.000Well, because I was starving by the end.
01:48:49.000You can only have limited food with you.
01:48:52.000And then even though I come out of the wild, you know, like I come into town and bought the bullets, I didn't go to a store and be like, I'm going to load up on a heap of other food and shit.
01:49:02.000For me, that was going to wreck the trip, you know?
01:49:04.000So I'd just go into town, grab the bullets.
01:51:48.000But most things just from taste and a few things I already knew.
01:51:52.000But there'd be some areas, especially up high, where those bears were, where I've seen that grizzly in Colorado, there was berries everywhere, and that's obviously why the bears were there.
01:53:36.000Also called bush food is any food native to Australia and used as sustenance by the original inhabitants, the Aboriginal Australians, but can also describe native flora or fauna.
01:55:19.000When I've been building the cabin and I'm stripping the bark off it, you'll see all those grubs and I get them and I cook them up and eat them.
01:55:26.000Just like peanut butter, mate, but better.
01:55:40.000Yeah, and if you run out of tea or if you want a hot drink and you're out in the bush, then you'd boil your water and then you'd get a heap of those in a leaf or on a leaf and you'd dip them in your hot water and it makes a nice tea, but it's sweetened already from the ant.
01:56:31.000So, it's only strange because we don't eat it, but imagine those things were grown on a farm and harvested for mass production, no different than lamb or...
01:57:10.000But I've been to Mexico, but I've heard good things about them.
01:57:13.000But I've been in Mexico, and we went to this resort, and when you check into your hotel room, they have like a little bowl of fried crickets.
01:57:39.000Well, not only that, but vegans should eat them, because it's a great way to get B12, and most people don't really care that much about bugs.
01:57:46.000It's like, the thing about vegans seems to be sentient animals and worrying about killing these feeling lifeforms, right?
01:58:20.000But crickets are a really good source of protein.
01:58:23.000So if someone wants to get animal or some sort of living protein, particularly like the nutrients and amino acids that you can get from that kind of protein, just look into insects.
02:05:18.000I think there's some hard evidence now that Indigenous Australians, because there was symbols like right down on the east coast of Australia, the same exact symbols go all the way out the coast to the Northern Territory.
02:05:29.000This is a five-day drive, by the way, that the Indigenous would walk that...
02:05:56.000It would take them five days to walk it.
02:05:58.000And then, so if they went out on country for a while and hunted and stuff like that, let's say they spent another 20 or 30 days out there, maybe longer, then another five days walk, you can see why they called it walkabout.
02:06:09.000They'd disappear, and that's how the sayings come up when you go away for a long time, is you've gone on walkabout, because they'd literally walk that distance, they'd be out on country...
02:06:18.000For a certain amount of period and then come back.
02:06:21.000So that's why I've sort of adopted as well, like when I go walkabout.
02:06:42.000Well, sometimes there'd be war and stuff like that between mobs.
02:06:48.000There'd be war and things like that because I think in most cases they'd try and avoid it and they'd have like their corridor that they walk through.
02:06:55.000But they all had their own land, what they sort of pretty much call...
02:06:59.000Well, I can't say they all had their own land because there's so many indigenous mobs and there was so many differences between them that some of them were just pure nomadic, you know, and just...
02:07:16.000I think their written language, friggin' don't quote me on this, was like the Dreamtime and the paintings and everything like that, and everyone tells a story.
02:07:25.000What's getting lost is it's only the traditional elders that know those stories, and they've got to pass it on to the next generation.
02:07:30.000So this is their story, this is their paintings, this is how the story goes.
02:07:34.000When it gets lost is when the mob essentially dies out, you know, or it's not passed on down through the generations.
02:07:44.000That's just so crazy that there's this enormous population of people and their stories not being told.
02:07:49.000Yeah, it seems sad when I think about it.
02:07:55.000But in the other sense, it shouldn't matter to anyone else because it's just those people's language and their story.
02:08:01.000So if they die, it's gone with them anyway.
02:08:04.000Yeah, but I mean, it's still, just for the historical record, I think it'd be great for human, just the human race to understand that this is really a very little understood group of human beings.
02:08:17.000Don't you hate that the mystery's getting taken out of everything, though?
02:08:21.000Like, it's good to have all that information.
02:08:24.000Like, go on Google and find out frigging the age of the last ice age or something like that, which is awesome, but it also cancels out all the mystery.
02:08:34.000Like, we know that there's no other sort of monster crocodile in the waters anymore because the whole world's, like, right at our fingertips.
02:08:42.000Instead of being able to have that mystery in our mind, like, oh, I wonder what's out the back there.
02:08:47.000That's why I felt like there's no more last frontiers.
02:08:51.000I love calling Arnhem Land the last frontier and places like Northwest Territories the last frontier because there's hardly any humans out there.
02:08:58.000But the truth is it's all been discovered.
02:09:13.000Like, Stuart MacDonald, he was an alcoholic, but he's actually a real famous early explorer that come into Australia.
02:09:23.000And Australia was convinced, or the people of Adelaide were convinced, that's where the first settlements were, that there was an inland ocean in Australia, because there's all these rivers running out from the centre of Australia.
02:11:04.000There's like a little well out there, like a clay-built well out in the middle of nowhere, and it's got this crystal clear water in it.
02:11:10.000They keep the cattle and horses at bay, because cattle and horses would smell the water and just go in there and trash it before the men could get there.
02:11:17.000So they keep the cattle and horses at bay.
02:11:19.000They go in with their own canteens and fill them up and drink, and, you know, all the men are just getting as much water as they can.
02:11:26.000Then they've let the horses and cattle go so they can have a drink.
02:11:31.000Now the horses and cattle come in there and they trample this whole well like it ends up going back to dust because they cave it all in.
02:11:37.000They drink as much water as they can, they cave it all in and the water pretty much dissipates.
02:11:43.000Then they ride out for three or four days and they can't find water.
02:11:48.000And they've run out of the water that they collected there.
02:12:22.000There's a whole mob of Indigenous people dead there.
02:12:25.000They knew they couldn't go on any further.
02:12:27.000At least all the ones that were dead there knew they couldn't go on any further.
02:12:31.000And they died right there, and there was no water, there was no well there anymore, like the cattle had just trampled it.
02:12:36.000And one thing, like as if that's not crazy enough, but one thing that I always think about is, imagine the Indigenous people coming across these hooves prints like that, because there's nothing in Australia.
02:13:09.000I guess at that point you're already so dehydrated, but you're walking to a point that you think that there's water because you build a well and then there's not anymore.
02:13:18.000Not that I very much doubt they would have given up because they're hardy people, but whatever they tried to do obviously wasn't enough.
02:14:43.000For me personally, I'd like to keep that undocumented because it seems once a place is known, it's no different than a good fishing or a hunting spot that gets fucking ruined.
02:14:52.000And that cave system, for starters, it's not up to me because, you know, that'd be up to the traditional owners to want to put that out there for people to go and look at.
02:15:02.000It's not up to me, so I can't share that information.
02:19:15.000It's no different than shooting a coyote here or a problem animal.
02:19:19.000Dingoes are one of the first, they believe, one of the first introduced species into Australia and come with the indigenous population at some point.
02:19:27.000Oh, so they came with the indigenous people.
02:19:33.000Dingoes, sorry, is most of them aren't dingoes anymore because there's been a wild dog population that's sort of peppered through there as well.
02:19:41.000Dingoes and normal dogs, like a domestic dog that's gone wild, have now interbred.
02:19:47.000And I'm pretty sure the only place you can find a purebred dingo now is on Fraser Island in Australia.
02:19:54.000They've got a policy or regulations that there's not allowed to be any domestic animals taken to the island at all, so the population stayed pure.
02:21:58.000Most flake and the stuff that you're buying shark, you know, like when you buy like a battered bit of fish or something like that from one of them quick takeaways that does fish and chips.
02:23:06.000Shark fin soup and there was a big campaign to alert people about it.
02:23:09.000And so then the people that have just barely a peripheral awareness of conservation and fishing and animal life, then they started going, don't kill sharks, people are killing sharks, they're assholes.
02:23:21.000Meanwhile, they're eating a cod filet.
02:23:54.000No, so there's some regulations that have come into the Northern Territory of Australia now because you can actually shoot a magpie geese with a bow and arrow.
02:24:02.000So there's magpie geese and there's some introduced turkeys like what you guys have here in the States.
02:24:06.000They're the only birds that you can shoot with a bow and arrow in Australia.
02:24:58.000Yeah, there was an instance in San Diego a few years back where a bunch of these people were training for a triathlon and they were swimming in the ocean and one out of nowhere just came and cut this guy in half right in front of everybody else.
02:27:25.000I was reading something about fucking crabs.
02:27:28.000I put it up on my Twitter that crabs are getting Prozac in the water from human beings.
02:27:35.000Because so many fucking nutbags are on Prozac that it's getting into the oceans through runoff, and it's affecting crab behavior, and it's making crabs reckless.
02:28:04.000I mean, how crazy is the human race where we are giving Prozac inadvertently to fucking crabs and they're at a risk.
02:28:14.000Apparently they're worried about the population dying off or at least being affected because these crabs are doing reckless things and it's going to cause them to get preyed upon or die.
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