Comedian and podcaster Jamie Kilstein returns to Civilization after a long hiatus to discuss the Harvey Weinstein scandal and how he's come back to life. He talks about how he went from a vegan, left-wing podcaster to a standup comic, and what it's like to be a man in the public eye. He also talks about what it was like being fired from Citizen Radio, and why he decided to take a break from comedy and become a full-time podcaster. And he talks about why he doesn't want to go back to comedy. He also discusses how he got into standup comedy, how he became a podcaster, and how to deal with the fallout from the scandal surrounding Harvey Weinstein and the sexual assault allegations that have rocked the comedy world for the past two years. And, of course, he gives us some of his thoughts on what it s like being a vegan and being a lefty in the 21st century. You won t want to miss this one. Enjoy, Civility! Logo by Courtney DeKorte. Theme by Mavus White. Music by PSOVOD and tyops. Artwork by Ian Dorsch. We do not own the rights to either of these songs, credit goes to original artists, but we do have a song written and produced by our patrons. . Thank you for all the work of any of our sponsors. and support us on SoundCloud and if you like what you're listening to this episode. Thanks to our sponsorships! and we really appreciate it. we really do appreciate the support us, we really really appreciate all the support we get from all of our listeners. Thank you. thank you so much, really really really deeply, really deeply appreciate it, really appreciate you, thank you, deeply appreciate you all, really, really much, deeply, much appreciate you're supporting us, really mean it, and we appreciate it really really means a lot, really Thank you, really means it, appreciate you we appreciate you. <3 thanks you, bye, bye. xoxo, bye - Caitie. - Emily, Sarah, Matt, Katie, Jack, Elyssa, EJ & EJ Sarah, Brian, Jacklyn <3 - JUICY, AJ&AJ & KEVIN, etc.
00:00:14.000And for people who don't know, you used to be the host of, or one of the co-hosts of Citizen Radio, like super progressive, lefty podcast, and you were a vegan...
00:00:27.000But now you ate a steak with Stanhope.
00:01:30.000So it kind of started where I was a comic for years, and as it got more progressive, it got more into that...
00:01:42.000Judgmental territory, I guess where you know, I feel like I definitely became one of those people who would just be on Twitter all day and Instead of sort of talking about real issues It just becomes like who are we mad at that day?
00:01:54.000Like who used the wrong word that day?
00:01:57.000Yeah, and it's Twitter mob stuff and it happens on the right and happens on the left It's just like kind of just people who are sad who just live like in their box Which I was like one of them, right?
00:02:06.000That's why I think this is such an important conversation because Because you've kind of stepped away from it and you see it for what it is, I think people don't realize it when they're caught up in the swirl of it, the momentum of it, that it's almost like a natural human behavior pattern.
00:03:16.000I got addicted to that more than anything, and especially when I finally got an audience with the left of left.
00:03:25.000I mean, just to be very clear, it's not like I'm going to come on this show and suddenly do a fucking Shawn Michaels heel turn and be like, I'm Johnny Rape joke.
00:03:34.000Those fucking bitches all had it coming.
00:05:39.000But I guess like all these different terms, these everyday terms, like I guess idiot is ableist because fucking, I don't know, there was an idiot in a wheelchair?
00:05:49.000It's ableist because if you're not an idiot, if your brain works well, you're mocking someone whose brain doesn't work well, they are not able to think correct.
00:06:17.000But what I saw happening with you, and what I see happening just in general online, I mean, I was on Citizens Radio when you guys first started.
00:07:05.000I mean, the alt-right essentially was people who didn't identify with these old men who were bankers, but they also didn't want to have anything to do with these ultra-lefty progressives that were calling everyone a racist, everyone a rapist, every man's a piece of shit.
00:07:24.000And I think one of the things with the ultra-left, and maybe this is me desperately trying to defend myself, but I think in a weird way, it was harder for me and it's harder for a lot of people to see themselves slipping into the extreme left.
00:07:41.000And so what I mean by that is I never thought...
00:07:44.000When I heard people say the extreme right is as bad as the extreme left, I was always like, fuck you.
00:07:50.000Because, like, the extreme left isn't, like, bombing Palestine, being like, give us free healthcare, or, like, let trans people piss in the right bathroom.
00:07:57.000Like, you know, even that, like, the shooter, not in Vegas, but that DC shooter.
00:08:06.000He wasn't like shooting the politicians screaming like – I mean he liked the Bernie Sanders page, but it wasn't like we are launching wars against Islam for Christianity.
00:08:17.000It wasn't – We're doing this for free market capitalism.
00:08:22.000It was, to me, the extreme left when I heard people say it, and the reason I would scoff when someone like you would say it is because I'm like, dude, the left should just stand for equality, everyone has the right to an education, everyone has the right to not go fucking hungry,
00:08:38.000to have health insurance, gay people can do whatever they want with their dicks, the end, bye-bye.
00:09:29.000And does the grown woman's life matter more than the cells or more than...
00:09:34.000Well, yeah, that gets to a point, but initially it's like, when is it defined as a life?
00:09:39.000I mean, if the moment of conception, if that moment, if 30 seconds later it's an abortion, like if you could hold your breath and then the baby's dead, you know, like if we found out that the moment a guy comes to a woman, if she could just hold her breath for a minute, the baby will die.
00:10:21.000I'm not saying that it should be my choice to define whether or not someone should do it or not do it, but it's very disingenuous when people frame this argument as it's a woman's right to choose, period.
00:11:00.000Well, and I think that's the whole thing that we were talking about before with these, like, echo chambers where, you know, for the first time ever I've been listening to sort of, like, Both sides of issues.
00:11:43.000But I started listening to the show and hearing pretty equal progressive to conservative ideals.
00:11:52.000And comedy was always kind of this cool place where you could explore ideas because comedy and jokes and laughter would sort of take the edge off a little bit.
00:12:04.000And you could actually talk about issues and...
00:12:07.000Once I kind of became part of that crew that would even shit on comedy, then it was like, well, I can watch Democracy Now, and I guess that's it.
00:16:10.000It's like that's what they yeah, but they reward that yeah, this is the thing It's like so and then it's not the single out Jezebel because I think they've got some great writers sure yes There's there's something that happens with people when you write a lot of mean Very critical stuff.
00:16:43.000But It becomes almost like the currency that you deal in.
00:16:49.000Yeah, and that goes back to the insecurity, right?
00:16:51.000By the way, my dad- Oh, yeah, sorry, sorry, sorry.
00:16:53.000Is that when you're an attack machine like that, and I'm not saying that Jezebel is, but there's a lot of the blogs that are attack machines.
00:17:02.000When you're an attack machine, and if you can be- An ally on the other side, or not even on the other side, but an ally to the attack machine, and then they single you out as that, it gives you this feeling like, oh, I'm not going to get attacked by them.
00:17:16.000And you reinforce that behavior by ramping up the types of things that you say that they like, that they appreciate.
00:17:24.000And it becomes a sort of weird exchange where it's implied.
00:17:29.000I think this is a lot of what goes on in political circles as well.
00:17:33.000There's not as much bribery as there is an understanding that if you do what we want you to do and you say what we want you to do, then you're in.
00:17:51.000And when you do find that tribe, and you do find people who are going, yeah, and the more you attack on Twitter, because not just blogs, like remember, like individuals on Twitter, like me, like when I would see like, who's getting piled on today?
00:18:22.000Because that's what would happen where, like, I would literally tweet, not even a joke, even if I tweeted somebody sincere, and this, like, sucks to admit, but even if I tweeted something, like, hashtag Black Lives Matter.
00:18:36.000Like, I'm not doing it to be, you know, and then you can feel good about yourself.
00:18:40.000Then you can go, not saying I did this, but you can go on the street and you can fucking ignore the homeless person, and you can cross the street when you see, like, the scary black guy, because you're just like, well, I'm technically the Rosa Parks of Twitter, because I fucking tweeted that joke at that writer who said that fucking thing that no one's gonna remember tomorrow, but we were all angry about today.
00:18:57.000Jesus Christ, this is the first time I've had caveman coffee.
00:20:02.000Yeah, and I... I wasn't gonna say off that with man just a sort of sidebar with Twitter When all that shit happened to me and I got off all social media, but you didn't explain what happened.
00:20:15.000Oh, right, right, right Okay, so you're the super vegan feminist Yeah, and again like The ideas at their core, right?
00:20:27.000These shouldn't be fucking controversial issues, but when you take it to that extreme that you were talking about where you're looking to sort of like, who can I call a sexist today?
00:22:54.000Which is, it all came from a study that, God, I want to say it was out of the University of Arizona, but I forget where the study was, but they essentially looked at almost any uncomfortable interaction between a man and a woman, unwanted or remorseful sex was rape,
00:25:38.000So I was with Luis, and we were hanging out in LA, and I was telling him I think I want to do comedy again, and he made a joke with the word fingering in it, and I started laughing like a fucking kid, and I'm like, I forgot how fucking funny the word fingering is!
00:26:00.000So my girlfriend, so I'm breaking up with her, and she starts swinging at me.
00:26:05.000And she's like, you can't fucking break up with me, blah, blah, blah.
00:26:07.000And I was just like, hey, we can talk about this later, but there's a guy downstairs who is going to, with a hilarious accent, who's going to take my brother's.
00:28:23.000The whole part where he's just like, what's funny about it?
00:28:25.000And that's a good, technically, that's an anti-rape joke, right?
00:28:30.000Which, if you know Daniel, that's how he thinks.
00:28:32.000He's not a bad guy in any sense of the word.
00:28:35.000And that's a great way, but that has to do with these echo chambers where I'm like, well, I didn't fucking hear that part of it.
00:28:39.000I just hear the part, you just hear the part that you're supposed to attack.
00:28:44.000And then, ironically, I went to one of Burt's podcasts at the same festival, the All Things Comedy Festival, and And fucking Doug and Bert, like, this whole rape thing happened in the audience.
00:28:55.000I don't know if you heard about it, but, like, all hell broke loose.
00:32:49.000Like, girls I was dating, like, she would kind of, like, pop up and be, like, following them on, like, social media.
00:32:54.000And I kind of was like, alright, it's a little weird.
00:32:58.000Girls you were dating, but you were married at the time.
00:33:00.000So, what was also not talked about in these articles is that for the last however many years before Alice and I got separated, we were in an open relationship.
00:33:09.000We talked about it on the show eventually, but for a while we didn't talk about it.
00:33:15.000Which to anyone in a fucking open relationship, it's a nightmare when you're not talking about it because you feel like a lecherous, cheating creep because you're in an open relationship.
00:33:24.000But you don't talk about it so that when girls meet you and you tell them you're in an open relationship, they're like, yeah, right.
00:33:44.000And then I was finally just like, we have to talk about it.
00:33:50.000And at this point, and I don't want to shit on anybody, at this point, my co-host and I, we were pretty much just really good friends who lived together and did a show together.
00:34:05.000So years later, years after me and this girl broke up, years after all this shit, I'm living in LA. I've had a girlfriend for a year.
00:34:16.000It's like a very healthy, wonderful relationship.
00:34:20.000Years after all this, I guess what happened was one of these girls...
00:34:27.000Essentially started to try to find any girl who has been pissed off by me before.
00:34:31.000And they found enough for an article that I think like two articles came out.
00:34:38.000I left Citizen Radio because the show was getting a ton of complaints because our inner circle started to find out that there were quote unquote accusations, which the word accusation makes it sound Weinstein-y.
00:36:05.000So the author, there's one moment in it, and I'll try to make this about journalism and not about the woman, but one of the complaints about me was I had a consensual...
00:36:18.000Night with a lady in Nashville who, I guess because she listened to the show, maybe they're like, that's predatory because you're famous.
00:36:26.000And I was like, well, no one else thinks I'm fucking famous.
00:36:29.000But wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.
00:36:31.000They were defining it as predatory because you're famous?
00:39:20.000I assume she is probably taken out of context as well.
00:39:25.000There's a real problem with writing things about people.
00:39:28.000And one of the real problems with writing things about people is they don't get a chance to respond in real time to the things you're saying.
00:39:33.000So you establish a narrative and then you keep going with it.
00:39:35.000You write paragraph after paragraph with no one responding to that.
00:40:05.000So, here's what happened, and this goes to your question before.
00:40:10.000Had called so many people sexist because I had sort of made my almost career by that It was a fucking fun man when people heard about this Like and you see the headlines and this is another like problem with like clickbait journalism The headlines look like I was fucking accused of rape.
00:40:30.000There was a One article that used the word sexual harassment sexual misconduct was in all the headlines.
00:42:59.000So nobody—there was no reason to root for me.
00:43:00.000There wasn't a strong enough fan base.
00:43:02.000It wasn't like if, you know, a bigger comic gets accused of something.
00:43:06.000Well, he has thousands or millions of fans, and then this small community who are accusing him of something.
00:43:12.000I had sort of nobody, and when I burnt all the bridges in comedy—and, you know, I never just showed up at clubs to do sets and stuff like that.
00:43:19.000I just had this audience— And sort of thought I could never get fired, you know?
00:43:26.000Like, when Allie and I sort of became more platonic before the open relationship, I mean, there were days it was so, you know, I mean, I would sleep on the couch, but there were days I would go on the road and I would not cheat.
00:43:39.000And I would go back to the hotel and jerk off and, like, my orgasm was better because I'm like, I saved Citizen Radio!
00:43:43.000Like, I was trying so hard not to do anything like that.
00:45:07.000I thought on the show, my favorite parts of my show were when I talked about depression or alcoholism and we would get emails in from people who, you know, it said it really helped them and I wanted to talk so much more about that stuff.
00:45:22.000Because I do think it's important to examine your flaws, but on a political level, I held myself up as like an untouchable.
00:45:30.000Well, I think you were doing essentially the same thing that you were talking about doing on Twitter, where you're addicted to this positive response and you're addicted to saying these things about people and attacking people.
00:49:31.000Well, and the thing is, too, it's like we have such legit racism and sexism in this country and I feel like we should be going after those issues, right?
00:49:43.000Well, that's why I think you are this conversation is very important because you're an example of someone who got caught up in the ideology of things where your intentions were good in the beginning But you got caught up in this whole left-wing spiral.
00:49:57.000Yeah, that's the thing is if you go extreme Right I feel like, you know, if I had a big Nazi kill the Jews closing prop bit, I feel like I would know I was selling out.
00:50:09.000But on the left, it's a creep, man, because you really feel like, again, the baseline of homophobia is bad, sexism is bad, racism is bad.
00:51:18.000I had to stop going online, but there was a Facebook comment from the day before that was like, just so you know, you saved me from killing myself.
00:51:35.000But you need to think about some of the things that you said and realize that you didn't really mean them, but you were saying them because you're trading in the currency of political, correct, left-wing, progressive ideology thinking, right?
00:52:00.000I think we have a real problem, both left and right in this country, with attacking people.
00:52:06.000And I hate to say this, but I think we have a problem with doing that with Trump.
00:52:10.000Because although he has done some reprehensible things and he said some really foolish things and his ego is ridiculous, there's a lot of things wrong with him, right?
00:52:20.000But the attacks on him and all this attacking, instead of sort of laying out A better way instead of explaining what's wrong with it.
00:52:57.000It's like you try to do that and I go check and then you go check and then we're moving back and forth and you're trying to fucking get my king.
00:53:04.000Yeah, and then like people's Twitter bios, where like their whole bios are like, here's a list of people who blocked me.
00:53:09.000It's like, yo man, if that's your fucking, that's your resume, that's your life accolades, like that's such a bummer.
00:53:16.000Well, I would have people block me and I never even communicated with them.
00:53:20.000Because somehow or another I got on some sort of a list where someone decided I was a bad guy.
00:53:24.000So I used that app and I don't know how to reverse it because now I'm friends with the legions of skank guys and I was like, oh, I think I blocked everyone.
00:53:31.000It's called like Twitter blockchain or something.
00:53:35.000If like all of your fans are attacking me and I'm like, fuck this, I go to your profile and then I click it and it blocks everyone who follows you.
00:53:42.000It's not just that like people there's there's groups that people have decided I've seen that that they decide you're right-wing right decide you're anti-progressive or whatever I'm like a hate lesson blocked by people that I'm like I never even communicated with this person like I've saw like a Screenshot of someone saying something absolutely ridiculous.
00:54:47.000It had been the first time you did stand-up in how long?
00:54:50.000Well, if you're not counting, like, the weird, like, slam-poety music shows I did, like, five, six years, and then it was the first time I've been on stage in a year.
00:54:59.000Wow, so first time you've been on stage in a year, and the first time outside of doing...
00:55:03.000Because I saw something that you did where you were doing, like, what you're saying, like, sort of slam poetry, where you take these big, deep breaths in between each line.
00:56:38.000I mean, all of our friends were pretty much linked to that same sort of progressive circle.
00:56:41.000When I went home to see my brothers, and I could talk how I wanted to, and I could shoot the shit, and I could not police my own language, it was amazing.
00:56:49.000I would go walk around blocks just to talk to my brother, Nick, like, for hours.
00:56:53.000And we would just laugh and tell jokes and shit like that.
00:58:47.000And jujitsu in New York, when, like, in the winter, where you'd be so fucking cold, and then you leave the gym, and you're so hot, but you have your dumb jacket on, and then you go to the subway, and you have to rip your jacket off, and then you get off the subway, and you're freezing again.
00:59:15.000Yeah, there's a company called First Light, L-I-T-E, and they make really good merino wool clothing for hunting, and they're one of the first guys to figure it out.
00:59:49.000So, if you just wear a base layer of merino wool, When you go out, like in cold weather, you will get wet from the sweat, but your body will retain heat.
01:00:39.000And, you know, we moved in together and she would be like, you know, this is exaggerate, but it would be like, do you listen to Bill Burr's podcast?
01:00:45.000And I'd be like, um, let me tell you why he's problematic and upholds the patriarchy.
01:00:48.000And she must have been like, fucking shit.
01:01:30.000All of us are susceptible to ideologies.
01:01:33.000Jordan Peterson had a really fascinating take on Nazism, about these people that became Nazis, and what's most terrifying about it is That if you were in their exact same shoes, you are a human being.
01:01:49.000And it is quite possible that you could have been a Nazi too.
01:03:22.000He had one of his last interviews at his house.
01:03:24.000Spry's a funny thing to say with a really old dude.
01:03:26.000Dude, but that was the first thing I thought where he pulled up in his little car and he had his Whole Foods bags and he hopped up the steps.
01:03:32.000He was like, come in, I'll get you orange juice.
01:04:42.000PZ, I haven't been on Twitter in forever, but he was always really nice to me.
01:04:45.000But the people he's also arguing against are also kind of doing the same thing, too.
01:04:50.000And I had this fucking revelation today.
01:04:52.000Coming in the studio when I was kind of like worst case like battle planning like ah what if you know he really hates something I say and we're gonna get into a fight and for the first time ever I was like oh I could listen to him and ask a follow-up question like I could just because that wasn't an option before because you have your especially when you start going on MSNBC and these news roundtables no one asks questions no one goes what do you mean by that?
01:05:15.000You guys went on once, and you were talking...
01:05:19.000Now, this is one time I actually got upset at you.
01:05:22.000Not upset at you, but upset at the idea.
01:06:28.000If you take the Old Testament, literally, right.
01:06:29.000Yeah, the Old Testament, I mean, selling your daughter into prostitution.
01:06:33.000Right, but we're talking about someone who is literally taking that version of it in practice and killing cartoonists for drawing Muhammad, right?
01:06:41.000So here's what I think you should be able to...
01:06:44.000Here's what I've been trying to do, where it's like, I don't understand why you can't go...
01:07:28.000It's either everybody's racist or every Muslim is a murderer and it's like you don't have to pick a side and post This fallout when I've been like, I mean, here's the thing.
01:07:40.000I've been healthier than I've ever been in my life.
01:07:57.000And getting to hear, like getting to listen to Sam Harris's podcast, getting to listen to your podcast, hearing both of you guys say like really progressive things.
01:09:35.000Look at where more moderate Muslims are today.
01:09:39.000There's people that are reformers that still consider themselves Muslims.
01:09:48.000Ayaan Hirsi Ali no longer considers herself a Muslim, but Majid does.
01:09:53.000There's a lot of them who consider themselves Muslims, but They're moving towards a more progressive ideology.
01:09:59.000This is possible, but it's only possible if you're not attacking.
01:10:05.000See, if you attack, then the more radical of that base, they lean to that, and they lean to reinforcing their team.
01:10:14.000Well, not only the more radical, but even just the younger ones, where if you are a 16-year-old Muslim kid in America and you immigrated here because your fucking family got bombed in Iraq or Syria or wherever by us, and now you're being profiled and being called racist names here,
01:10:31.000it's like, that's how you make extremists.
01:10:34.000And so it's not only is the racism racist, but it's also fucking counterproductive in a lot of ways.
01:10:40.000Yeah, it's like all these wars that we say we're doing to defeat Islam, they're also creating a fuckload of extremists who maybe would have been moderate, but now their house is in rubble.
01:11:03.000And that in attacking, instead of explaining the positive aspects of your positions, instead of attacking the other positions, and attacking ad hominem attacks on these people, and attacking their structure, who they are, attacking them as racist,
01:11:19.000as sexist, as homophobic, instead of reinforcing the very positive aspects of live and let live, about being open-minded, and being legitimately progressive, like progress.
01:11:32.000And I think that one of the things that I know I did and everyone I followed on Twitter did in sort of the progressive world is you would like try to out-progressive each other, right?
01:11:40.000So it's like somebody has a progressive take on the news.
01:12:01.000I feel like you gave another example, but it's, you know, I mean, that just happened with Rose McGowan a little bit, right?
01:12:08.000Like, she did this really brave thing by coming out against Harvey Weinstein, and then people are calling it, like, white lady feminism.
01:12:14.000And it's like, the left is never gonna win if you can't let the rape survivor come forward without attacking her for not being raped progressively enough.
01:12:54.000Because Twitter was a great tool and is a great tool where we wouldn't have had a lot of, like, really big, I think, social justice victories without Twitter.
01:13:15.000Yeah, I mean, Facebook, I kind of just, I mean, at least for me, Facebook goes a little slower and I mainly follow just friends on Facebook.
01:13:40.000And then you just see it and you see a word like racism and you go, I guess I like it because I don't want to not like the big racism script.
01:14:07.000All this shit went down, Jezebel writes an article about you, some other people write articles about you, and you just dropped off the face of the earth.
01:14:14.000Yeah, so I— You just figured, fuck this, I'm deleting my Twitter.
01:14:17.000Yep, so I assumed—I mean, nothing I could say—part of me didn't say anything.
01:14:21.000Part of me didn't say anything because I'm like, I no longer—I have to be a real person now.
01:14:26.000I can't do shows anymore, so— Why'd you say that?
01:14:31.000Just because I felt like the only world I knew completely was crashing down and calling me things that I wasn't.
01:15:23.000My family's talking to me, which is great, but none of my friends.
01:15:26.000Here's something, I'll say this about, this is one of the reasons I came back to comedy.
01:15:31.000I mean, besides I always loved it and I missed it, was the only fucking people that reached out to see if I was okay were comics.
01:15:39.000Comics who I hadn't talked to in years.
01:15:42.000None of the progressive journalists, none of the people who knew about depression or suicide or whatever.
01:15:47.000I mean, I don't even know if they read the fucking article or if they just saw...
01:15:51.000That word and was like, I will get in trouble if I... I mean, Jim Norton, who I knew when I was 22, I probably asked him if I could do a guest spot for him at like the Stress Factory, wrote me to see if I was okay.
01:16:02.000Like, you wrote me a really nice email.
01:16:04.000Stanhope wrote me a couple times to make sure I was okay.
01:17:41.000And it was so wonderful, where I was like, all I want...
01:17:44.000So, before that, yeah, I assumed I had nothing, was literally...
01:17:50.000Did you know, when you Google how to kill yourself, the first website that comes up, it's a lie.
01:17:55.000They say, like, easiest way to kill yourself, and then you click it, and it's like, just kidding, don't kill yourself, and it's like harp music, and you're just being rickrolled, essentially, by a suicide hotline.
01:19:27.000So this this whole journey that you've been on and this is again one of the reasons why I want you to come on I think we can all learn something from it.
01:19:35.000Yeah, and I hope both communities learn something from it.
01:19:37.000I mean Maybe it's wishful thinking on my part, but I really think like we This idea of right versus left is so goddamn crazy and we have more common ground than we don't and I think reasonable people Think all these core tenets that we were just talking about.
01:23:21.000And all people do is they Google and they look at a headline and they go, oh, fuck that.
01:23:24.000I don't want to be around that, right?
01:23:26.000But for the second six months or whatever, I feel like I've been – my family is like this is the most present and communicative you've been.
01:23:35.000I feel like I've been a better friend.
01:23:49.000And I don't think any of that shit would have happened if I was still in social media world, if I still just woke up every day and was like, what's the hashtag that I have to tweet about?
01:24:10.000And there's part of me that I am like, maybe I'm selfish, but I just I would rather be a better person.
01:24:19.000I also forgot that like comedy fans just love comedy.
01:24:23.000Like when people came up to me after the Stanhope show, I wasn't political on the Stanhope show, but they were like, hey man, that was really funny.
01:26:52.000I think, I forget if it was like Jocko or Tim Ferriss or one of those guys, but talking about like putting on airplane mode like an hour or two before you go to bed.
01:27:01.000And then, like, not turning that shit on until...
01:27:03.000Like, I've started doing all that, and I just feel so much healthier.
01:27:07.000And, like, I'm telling you that when I was attacking people on Twitter every day, I was depressed as fuck and straight-up suicidal and projecting, and I was just miserable.
01:28:58.000He's bringing in these dudes that were, you know, Manafort, and he's bringing in these dudes that were running the campaign, and Trump is unhinged today.
01:29:11.000But you know what's interesting, too, then it just came out that Hillary and the DNC funded the dossier on Trump and they spent millions and lied about it for the past year.
01:29:20.000Which is, by the way, you're trying to influence the political process as well.
01:29:25.000And you're doing it by what you know is fiction, a fictional story on Trump with hookers peeing on people and shit like that.
01:29:33.000And this is, I think, really important.
01:29:35.000I think the right has to recognize that you're in a situation where you absolutely have people that have colluded with Russia.
01:29:45.000The left has to recognize you are in a situation where you had a really corrupt career politician who almost got in.
01:29:52.000And don't hold her up as some sort of high standard for womanhood and progressive ideas.
01:29:58.000This is a woman that didn't even believe in gay marriage until 2013. Oh, dude, I said that on stage when I was like, if you criticized Hillary, people would say you're not a feminist.
01:30:09.000And I was like, first rule of feminism, don't kill a bunch of fucking women overseas.
01:32:38.000There's a lot of issues, for sure, with racism in this country.
01:32:41.000And when you have a group that addresses those issues and the group gets attacked by people, you've got to wonder, why is that group getting attacked?
01:32:48.000Yeah, and I'll even bring this back to, like, even with the rape culture stuff, which I did not think I would be saying on the show again, which is that...
01:32:59.000You'd have guys online who every time a woman got raped, they would be like, well, what about men who get raped?
01:33:43.000People get so mad when it's not their group.
01:33:45.000And they always want to concentrate on people that are black that make ridiculous claims.
01:33:52.000Like, instead of just looking at the idea behind why was Black Lives Matter formed, then they start looking at black people that make ridiculous claims like black people can't be racist because racism is power plus influence and prejudice, which is just not real.
01:34:05.000And that's the same shit that people on the left would do, where they would just sort of, like, nitpick at these very specific little arguments, and it's like, there are bigger things to fucking worry about.
01:34:15.000Yeah, and I think that's why an organization like Black Lives Matter gets any heat at all, because, right, if people just said, yeah, of course, cops are absolutely shooting black people at a disproportionate rate, you know?
01:34:28.000I mean, if you just look at these incidences that we've been forced to see in the news, there's been so many of them, and these people march, and like, what that one black woman who got pulled over and refused to put out her cigarette, and the cop was telling her to put out a cigarette?
01:34:42.000And she wanted being dead in her cell like a day later.
01:34:46.000Yeah, she was just like hung in her cell.
01:34:47.000That is a fucking insane, insane story.
01:34:52.000That woman, that cop was a piece of shit.
01:34:54.000I mean, the way he was communicating with her, he was not communicating with her like she was a woman that just got pulled over for speeding.
01:36:17.000It's a big job, and I think that It should be much more respected.
01:36:23.000It should be a much more difficult position to attain.
01:36:27.000And I think that herein lies the problem.
01:36:31.000You're asking regular people to deal with insane amounts of power, literally the ability to pull the trigger on a person and end their life.
01:36:39.000And we've seen time and time again people get away with ending lives in a way and a matter that we, the citizens, don't agree with.
01:36:47.000Yeah, and the bar is kind of crept, right?
01:36:50.000Where now the things that you should be using hand-to-hand combat for, you're using tasers for.
01:36:55.000The things that you should be tasing for, you're shooting, right?
01:36:59.000You can't expect the average police officer to be able to use hand-to-hand combat on some person when they have no idea what that person's skill level is.
01:37:09.000Yeah, unless the cop is fucking Stipe Miocic.
01:37:12.000What are the odds you're going to come out ahead?
01:37:15.000You might get your fucking gun taken away from you.
01:37:45.000Looking like I'm like this guy is a victim like if someone if me if someone just decided to turn on him and punch him in the head He would be unconscious right and he's a cop and he's like this frail cop dude I used to have a friend who did like psychological profiles for people who want to be in the police Academy and she told me some of the answers for like why these guys wanted to be cops like one guy she said Literally wrote like in his essay like I want to become like a police officer so I can finally get the respect I deserve and Oh,
01:38:14.000And it's like, well, I mean, she didn't, like, you know, he didn't go through, but it's like, there are those people, not all cops, hashtag, there are those people who are just like, they just want fucking power they want, they got fucking bullied, they got...
01:38:25.000And for every guy dumb enough to say that on his application, how many guys just internalize that?
01:38:30.000All that guy had to do was not fucking say that, right?
01:38:32.000And, like, that guy was so nuts enough that he's like, you know what, they'll understand.
01:38:36.000They'll see where I'm coming from, and he fucking wrote it down.
01:38:38.000There's so many fucking people that they need...
01:38:42.000I mean, there's a lot of people that don't want to be police officers like in LA for a while They had these giant billboards where they're advertising how much you get to start Oh, they're having trouble like recruiting because nobody wants that job.
01:38:53.000You're essentially the professional enemy, right?
01:38:55.000You're pulling people over most of them have committed some sort of a crime They're gonna lie to you and so they're dealing with liars all day.
01:39:01.000Yeah, Jesus I never thought about that but that's another thing where if You also can't, just like the cops should be trying super hard to get rid of the bad ones, if we demonize every cop,
01:39:17.000then those cops who have, like, a really hard fucking job are gonna be like, well, fuck you guys.
01:39:30.000The economy and people's lives sucking, right?
01:39:32.000Like, it's really easy, for example, for people to shit on these, like, black, like, inner city neighborhoods and they go, well, why don't they call the cops?
01:39:52.000They want to take care of their family.
01:39:53.000They're not reading Twitter or the news like I used to or that most of us...
01:39:58.000Most of us who live in this Twitter bubble, all these fucking...
01:40:01.000So many of these progressive journalists I hung out with who were like 99%, like so many of them were like fucking just spoiled rich kids who wanted to feel oppressed.
01:40:39.000Yeah, well, getting back to what we're saying, I think that one of the good things about these groups like Black Lives Matter is regardless of whatever controversy, it's forcing the conversation.
01:40:52.000I just think they have to be careful with what they do, like when kids get crazy and they want to block off the highway.
01:40:57.000You know, don't do that kind of shit because that gives people a very bad impression of what your organization stands for and you're blocking off the highway and that could stop people from saving your mom who fell down and broke her head open.
01:41:10.000I mean, you're gonna you're gonna block off the ambulance, you're gonna block off people that are that have to make a flight.
01:41:16.000And you're saying, well, yeah, that's how you make noise.
01:41:19.000You know, you cause people inconvenience.
01:41:21.000No, you disrupt The very systems that we need in order to make civilization run correctly.
01:41:27.000You don't have to do that to get attention.
01:41:32.000Because the problem is, and this you can blame on the media, where it's like, those are the only protests that get covered.
01:41:39.000If you have a peaceful protest with speakers, you know, standing outside of someone's congressional office, then it's like, that shit doesn't get covered.
01:42:06.000The news is because they have a long history of disseminating information, right?
01:42:11.000But people regular people are doing that now a lot of people are doing that now through different websites and YouTube channels And I think that that's the future and we don't have to be as long as you're honest and you have a real objective point of view You don't have to be sanctioned by some gigantic corporation to get the fucking truth in No,
01:42:31.000in fact, you're less likely to get the truth out because of your sponsors.
01:42:35.000I mean, MSNBC is owned by GE. MSNBC is the quote-unquote liberal network, and they're owned by a company that fucking can profit off a war.
01:42:44.000Dave Rubin had a post that he did today.
01:42:46.000Go to Dave Rubin's Twitter page about why people distrust the media and why the media is garbage today in their coverage of this Kevin Spacey thing.
01:43:24.000Actor Kevin Spacey decides, declares he lives as a gay man.
01:43:28.000Kevin Spacey announced Sunday night that he will live as a gay man.
01:43:32.000I mean, look at all these different, the New York Daily News, Reuters, the Daily Beast.
01:43:37.000They're saying that he's gay, but they're saying he's gay because a kid came out, where a man now, came out and said Kevin tried to fuck him when he was 14. Shit.
01:43:48.000So this is like saying that he declares he lives life as a gay man.
01:44:19.000To link pedophilia always to homosexuality isn't true.
01:44:22.000There are a lot of people who would consider themselves heterosexual, whether it was in the church or whatever, who are raping kids because it's a power thing and they're sick.
01:45:36.000But to decide that he's absolutely telling the truth and Kevin Spacey is absolutely covering this up by coming out as gay and using that to sort of diffuse the situation.
01:46:36.000But there's a lot of people that just have a Twitter egg, and they, I mean, they're completely anonymous, they have a bunch of random letters and numbers as their name, and they fucking attack people left and right.
01:46:53.000And this interaction where there's no social cues involved, there's virtually no repercussions for saying the most evil, vile shit, and then people take it as a badge of honor that they've been blocked.
01:47:35.000Yeah, I mean it's almost like you were in a cult because I had Brett Weinstein's brother Eric on recently and Eric was talking about the the cult of progressive ideology that it literally is a cult like the one of the things the core things that people keep saying is that biology and Gender are not related You know,
01:47:57.000there's some weird things that people say in order to be supportive of trans people.
01:48:02.000But these things that they're saying, they're not supported by science, and they're very culty, and everyone repeats them.
01:48:09.000And they repeat them for the same reason why people in certain religions repeat religious phrases.
01:48:15.000Yeah, and this goes back to that progressive thing I was talking about where, you know, to me, the reason that I wouldn't fully read a lot of those articles is because I was like, but I want to support those people, right?
01:48:28.000And because I don't think trans people should be discriminated against.
01:48:32.000I don't give a shit where they want to go to the bathroom unless it's like on somebody, right?
01:48:37.000I think that everybody should live and feel free as long as you're not being, you know, predatory or like when the Republicans were like, well, it's men are going to dress up as women.
01:48:47.000It's like that's that's men like this isn't bosom buddies, right?
01:48:50.000Like that's like that was that like trans people are different than men who dress up as women and like sneak in the bathroom.
01:48:57.000Certainly going to be men who dress up like women and sneak in the bathrooms because they can because it's a loophole.
01:49:02.000I mean, they can just walk into bathrooms now, though.
01:49:05.000Just like there's going to be people that drive into crowds of people with their car.
01:51:14.000I think there's an app they were talking about in Sam Harris' show where it tells you if you're reading too many, like, either left-wing articles or right-wing articles.
01:51:21.000Like, it's like, hey, we're steering a little too left.
01:52:51.000When you start to call consensual hookups on the road predatory, it's like, this is what sexists point to when they go, all these girls who talk about being preyed on, it's bullshit.
01:53:10.000But I also had people be like, if I defended myself, and some people told me this, if I defended myself, I would suddenly look like I'm saying don't believe women or I'm saying that because I'm defending just one person, me.
01:53:45.000Yeah, I mean just and this Having this example of how it could all go completely sideways sideways And sideways, you know, admittedly, even before it went bad, it was going sideways.
01:54:11.000And then being addicted to this response thing and checking your phone all the time and making sure, you know, that people are on your side where you're battling with someone and calling them a sexist, racist piece of shit.
01:55:05.000Anytime you tweet, like, I went to this movie, and they're like, well, this actor's problematic, or this movie is fucking racist because of it.
01:55:12.000And it's just like, I don't know, man.
01:55:56.000Also, these progressives are trying to out-progressive each other, so people that consider themselves progressives are also getting attacked, like the Brett Weinstein thing, where he's getting called a racist.
01:56:05.000If you'd know him, he's one of the most deeply progressive guys probably I've ever had a chance to talk to.
01:56:11.000Well, that was the Rose McGowan thing.
01:56:12.000That guy I heard on Sam Harris's where if something happens to a white person, then someone will be like, well, what if that happened to a black person?
01:56:21.000It's like, right, that would be bad, too.
01:56:22.000And it's like, well, what if it happened to someone else?
01:58:10.000Facing the crowd it was about women this woman shouted him down and you know you're supposed this is our home you're supposed to be fucking protecting us about Halloween costumes and the wife had made a letter that she had sent out and the letter essentially said You there people should be allowed to have like we'll play some of this here I'm looking at the smirk in your face and I'm disgusted.
02:00:11.000Look me in my face, first of all, and understand that you are such a disappointment to this university, to your students, to yourself, to the things that you claim to agree with.
02:01:05.000So when she was saying, like, you're wasting my time or whatever, like, he came out to try to kind of, like, have his wife's back and, like, calling him, like, sexist.
02:01:27.000And as someone who has gone after people on Twitter, those people that we tried to get fired from a writing job or whatever, you don't think about them the next day.
02:01:41.000Like, the people who tried to get that guy fired on Twitter or whatever, like, they don't think about him anymore.
02:01:48.000I mean, you're looking at an 18-year-old or a 19-year-old.
02:01:50.000And intoxicated by that moment as well, you know?
02:01:54.000Yeah, but the Twitter mob behind them, it's like a lot of me's, it's a lot of adults too, you know?
02:01:59.000And like, if that dude got fired and his wife got fired, like, I mean, that's like somebody's life who's done a lot of really good progressives, even if he did fuck up legitimately.
02:02:08.000And it's also the consequence of actually being able to be fired.
02:02:24.000I mean, if you had done something horrible, the marketplace of free ideas should step in and say, we're not going to watch his show anymore.
02:02:31.000We're not going to listen to him anymore.
02:02:50.000They become lazy and weak, or they become the idea, and the ideal situation is they become completely dedicated to being a professor, and they don't have to worry anymore about their job, and so now they completely dedicate themselves to being an educator.
02:03:44.000Even though you're trying to get people fired, even though you're going after their jobs, you're attacking them, and you're insulting them, and you're labeling them in the broadest strokes of racism and sexism, and you're calling them terrible.
02:05:12.000Well, what we've done that's a real problem is jam too many people into a small area where there's no one growing any food.
02:05:19.000And so to solve that problem, they've figured out how to consolidate massive amounts of growing into these areas, both agriculture in terms of like vegetables and grains and animals.
02:05:53.000It's very rare that they put steroids in cows.
02:05:57.000What they do do is they put a lot of antibiotics in the cows because the cows are eating things that they're not supposed to be eating, like grain, and they get really sick.
02:06:07.000And they're doing that to fatten them up to make them bigger, right?
02:06:51.000What they do with chickens is it's really a breeding thing.
02:06:55.000It's just like the way you make a bulldog, or how do you breed the biggest mastiff?
02:07:00.000They take the biggest animals, they breed them with the biggest animals, and they've gotten to this position where these chickens are so fucked up because they've bred them to be so large, they can't even stand up.
02:07:10.000Oh yeah, when their claws mold around the cage and stuff.
02:07:14.000And they're jammed into these little areas.
02:08:28.000And that's why they have what they call ag-gag laws, and I'm sure you're aware of these.
02:08:32.000These ag-gag laws are fucking insane, where they make it illegal for people to take footage and film what's going on in these factory farms because they think it will negatively impact the business of the farm.
02:08:50.000You can't deny people information like that.
02:08:52.000And I feel like that was one of those issues that, I think Will Potter, I think I knew a couple of those guys, because Mercy for Animals has done a bunch of those undercover operations and stuff.
02:09:01.000And that's one of those things, again, that should bring together both sides, right?
02:09:06.000It's like, we're all eating these Yeah.
02:09:32.000Snowden stuff, but dude has like 15 rescue dogs in Brazil and he loves animals.
02:09:37.000I'm glad this is getting coverage from these guys.
02:09:40.000I'm glad it's getting coverage too and kudos to him for putting that out.
02:09:43.000He's highlighting something that's a real issue and that issue is there's a concerted effort to deny people information because that information would change the way they feel about the food they eat.
02:09:56.000And the argument is that they have to have these conditions because this is the only way to give people food very cheaply because you have to feed 20 million people in Los Angeles.
02:10:19.000It's like Coke and like processed food and it's like- Well, we subsidize corn as well, but- But even that is- Even that's not the best thing for you.
02:10:27.000Especially when it turns into high fructose corn syrup and shit like that, where it's like people need to be educated.
02:10:33.000Doctors are barely educated about nutrition and health.
02:10:35.000And if we actually had healthy food, whether it be meat or vegetables or whatever, in these food deserts.
02:10:42.000That's why I always got mad when people were like, oh, look at that fucking fat person on food stamps.
02:10:47.000It's like, well, it's not because they're eating a ton of grass-fed beef.
02:10:51.000It's because their fucking food stamps can buy them Chips and cereal and mac and cheese boxes and shit like that.
02:10:58.000But that's another thing where it's like, well, that's not a conversation we have because we go, you're either on the vegan side or this side, or you're either pro-government or you're anti-government.
02:11:07.000It's like, there are answers, I feel like, if people put their heads together and weren't just trying to get, like, yeah, the guy who used the wrong...
02:11:18.000But I think it's, again, just like everything else, there's more information available now than ever before.
02:11:24.000And I think more people are aware of this information.
02:11:28.000It's just so many people are distracted by nonsense all day.
02:11:33.000Yesterday, Tony and I, Tony Hinchcliffe and I, we did a gig in San Francisco, and when we were coming back, we were at the airport, and we were next to this gal at the airport, and she's talking on the phone about the most inane bullshit.
02:11:43.000She was talking about Amazing Race and Amazing Race.
02:11:46.000The teams on Amazing Race are just not...
02:11:49.000I'm so annoyed with them, so I'm not even watching it anymore.
02:12:10.000But this is what, you know, this is the average person's life.
02:12:14.000It's just they get distracted by nonsense, they talk about bullshit, they're watching stupidity.
02:12:18.000Well, it's hard because it's getting fed to you, and a lot of people aren't doing what they actually want to do, and they don't believe they can actually do it, and they go to college because they're told they're supposed to go to college, and then they're riddled in student debt, so they get a job they hate that they'll...
02:12:34.000My point was, what I was going to get to, was that you in your obsession with Twitter and your being addicted to it and constantly checking in on it and going back to it, that was your distraction.
02:12:48.000This woman is finding distractions in stupid television shows and bad food to eat and nonsensical raises at work.
02:12:56.000And because of that, this occupies so much of your time between your job and your family and all this that you don't have time to think about factory farming.
02:13:28.000Having followers is not what makes you addicted.
02:13:31.000And anybody can engage with a large group of followers just by saying something mean to someone like Glenn Greenwald or someone who has a lot of followers.
02:13:52.000There's a lot of people that are doing that.
02:13:54.000Again, it's a unique time for the distribution of information.
02:13:58.000It's a unique time because we have to sort out ourselves how we manage this information and how it's getting in.
02:14:07.000Man, I'll just say, once I just sort of started focusing on, in a weird way, being selfish, where it's like, how can I just be a better person?
02:14:19.000Like, I mean, how can I better myself?
02:14:21.000You end up being a better person, where I'm like, I don't know what's going on.
02:14:24.000I don't know who's getting arrested right now for the Russia thing.
02:14:27.000But I'm like, I know that, like, I'm picking my girlfriend up from work after I, like, do a bunch of jiu-jitsu at, like, a dope gym, you know?
02:14:34.000And I'm like, I'm kind of fine with that, you know?
02:14:38.000I think it's just a healthier way to fucking live.
02:14:40.000Well, you know, you're talking about yourself, and you're talking about your own sort of management of your life, where it had gone completely off the rails, and now you've got it back on track, and you're feeling yourself in a good place and a healthy place.
02:14:54.000Yeah, and now it's like maybe there is a middle ground, right?
02:14:55.000Maybe there is a way that, like, if I start doing shows again, I can, like, be on Twitter and not be a douchebag.
02:15:03.000And I think that having this negative experience and getting through it, That's how you learn and grow.
02:15:10.000I mean these bad these big moments are big opportunities for growth whereas The same grind day in day out you become like the gal at the airport.
02:15:20.000It's like well these teams in the amazing ranks are really annoying to me But these churros are the best churros and their churros are dry.
02:15:31.000Having a big moment where all these people attacked you and things went totally wrong, it gave you this opportunity for self-reflection in a way that you really probably were very unlikely to achieve without this moment.
02:15:45.000No, I was either going to be off the Brooklyn Bridge or a bigger douchebag.
02:17:13.000Yeah, man, I gotta say, listening to you and Bert and Doug, I started listening to Fitzsimmons, all these podcasts about comedy and thinking about how...
02:17:26.000You know, just because I feel like I failed, I was like, I guess I shit on all comics.
02:17:30.000And forgetting about that, like, even the comics who say the most horrific shit on stage, for the most part, there's a lot of really cool, broken, sweet guys who, like, through all of the bullshit had my back.
02:17:45.000I think actually on the podcast, maybe backstage, but I told Bert that I was going back and listening to a bunch of his podcasts, and I listened to the one he did with Metzger, because I wanted that other fucking side to it, right?
02:17:56.000The Metzger situation was fascinating.
02:18:00.000I don't know if Kurt wants us to be known, but he was devastated by that.
02:18:11.000That e-rage, man, when they come after you.
02:18:14.000Well, and when I heard him on the podcast and not, he gets a little mouthy on Facebook, but when I actually heard him on the podcast articulate what he was talking about, where he was like, no, I think this, so for people who don't know, like some fucking dude at UCB was accused of rape,
02:19:38.000Where Bert who I only met once we did some weird TV show together in like Amsterdam and I only met him once and he I thought it was gonna be like him just being like this fucking faggot feminist cuz that was the idea I had of like all comics and how they thought about me, right?
02:19:52.000And he was just like yeah, man, I was just bummed out cuz I remember like Jamie was nice and then like it just like made me sad that he like didn't stick up for comics and I was like It was just, like, really sweet and sincere and kind of, like, even, like, vulnerable.
02:20:06.000And I remember, like, turning to my girlfriend and being like, I want to apologize to Bert more than I do these women.
02:21:09.000It's like, cool, I'm just going to listen to the shows that agree with me and feed me information that says, you're right, you're smart, you're good.
02:21:15.000As opposed to the stuff that's like, ah, I got to look that up.
02:21:26.000It's like, no one is the fucking stereotype of anything that people...
02:21:30.000Well, I think we're in a boat that's in rocky water, right?
02:21:34.000And I think it's gonna rock left and it's gonna rock right and hopefully we're gonna right the ship and we're gonna figure out what the fuck we're doing and I mean collectively the human race has probably never communicated clear ever Yeah.
02:21:46.000And it's because of our access to information.
02:21:48.000There's definitely going to be these groups of people that, you know, they haul off and they get confirmation bias and they shore their walls up with this group of like-minded folks in an echo chamber.
02:23:50.000They just thought it was funny because I was talking to Doug and I was like, yeah, man, I don't really want to apologize because I reread it and I don't think it's...
02:24:30.000I mean, that's just what people do, man.
02:24:31.000And one of the reasons why they do it is because they're absolutely terrified that they themselves are going to get cast out from the kingdom.
02:24:48.000All the Weinstein stuff and the, like...
02:24:50.000There are a lot of dudes who probably would be supporting this more, but are just like, Oh, but I flirted with that one girl at the office.
02:25:53.000By the way, that's another fucking example, now that I think about it, of what you were just saying, where the last however many years, he went from comic to lecturing, like, black people about how to wear their pants and how to articulate,
02:26:08.000and he was talking about manners and how to present yourself, and it's like, oh, you're covering up drugging and raping people, where it's like, you know what And that is what bit him in the ass.
02:26:18.000Because Hannibal Buhr is talking about him on stage.
02:27:42.000Would cause Harvey Weinstein and that's why it's good and that's why you know I would never be like a social media is the problem because you know the The Me Too campaign and Harvey Weinstein and Cosby like it is good that these people are being exposed It's not good when you also then go on witch hunts right for people who like are like to get laid fucking rapists or whatever well,
02:28:04.000that's the difference and And this is the thing that a lot of men, like, they see the Harvey Weinstein thing and they start thinking about themselves and go, oh my god, what if every girl that I ever tried to fuck came out and said, you know, John tried to, you know, he tried to feel me up or John tried to get me to go back to his house one night,
02:28:20.000you know, after we had a couple of drinks together and then, you know, and...
02:28:23.000Yeah, because what does that look like?
02:28:24.000Is it a guy actually pressing up against you and violating your physical space?
02:28:28.000Or was it a guy being like, hey, do you want to come up for coffee?
02:30:00.000Well, and I think if people could actually go after these rapists, then again, same thing with all of the middle ground issues we were kind of finding, right?
02:30:09.000Where it's like, well, let's go after the actual bad guys and then not make...
02:30:16.000If there's a day where there's not a rapist, instead of looking for who can we be mad at for being sexist, just go enjoy the day.
02:30:28.000There doesn't always have to be a new bad guy.
02:30:31.000You can just go after the legit fucking predators and rapists and Yeah, there's plenty of actual real targets.
02:30:46.000Or is the thing to do to try to educate humans as to how to behave with each other?
02:30:51.000And one of the reasons why he got away with it is because he had this extreme amount of power to control the future of these women.
02:30:59.000And so that's how he got away with getting them to do these things and keep their mouths shut because he held this incredible power over them because he could control their future, their career.
02:31:09.000He had the money and the influence to get them and give them the career that they desired.
02:31:14.000Yeah, it was that legit casting couch cliche.
02:31:16.000It's just like, oh, it was real and it was him and it was gross.
02:31:19.000Whitney Cummings knows people that know the whole inside story.
02:31:25.000And what she said is like, what you're hearing is all the women that said no.
02:31:29.000She's like, do you know how many famous women said yes?
02:31:31.000Like, but gradually said yes, you mean?
02:31:33.000No, no, they did it because it was a deal.
02:32:05.000You saw the Harvey Levin, that was his name, who released all the various aspects of the contract that he had, where they had worked in sexual harassment claims.
02:32:32.000According to the contract, if Weinstein treated someone improperly in violation of the company's code of conduct, which obviously means rape...
02:32:38.000He must reimburse the Weinstein Company for settlements or judgments.
02:32:41.000Additionally, you will pay the company liquidated damages of $250,000 for the first such instance, $500,000 for the second, $750,000 for the third, and a million dollars for each additional instance.
02:32:53.000So the contract is like, look, you're gonna get raped.
02:33:43.000And then all the people that are terrified of being outed like him now will recognize the consequences of those actions, and hopefully they're going to change their ways.
02:34:33.000It's amazing like that, but it just shows you the way our culture shifted from the 1920s to today.
02:34:40.000I mean a hundred years of progress and people recognizing like hey, no, you can't just stare at a woman and then fucking kiss her and not ask permission.
02:34:48.000Like you just just like be confident and strong like no, no, no, no.
02:34:52.000Yeah, she doesn't Sometimes, here's the problem, sometimes that works.
02:34:58.000If the woman is really attracted to you and you're really attracted to her and you look at each other and you don't have to say anything and you kiss, but you don't know when the fuck that is, how do you know?
02:35:06.000And you definitely can't put that in a gum ad, you piece of shit.
02:35:11.000But they didn't know that in the 1920s because no one was there to tell them.
02:35:14.000Like, they were dealing with the information that they got just from communicating with their friends and the people they worked with and the limited amount of media that they had at the time.
02:35:21.000Some dude was like, yeah, there was just some fucking girl and I kissed her and they were like, got it, put it in the ad.