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00:00:50.000You know, that's one of those songs you just, the lyrics almost become inconsequential because the lyrics are, oh, this is the sound that song makes.
00:01:37.000It says, during the drug era, given that it was penned during the 1970s drug era, people can still see that it serves as an extended metaphor comparing fame to space travel.
00:02:53.000I don't like what his songs are about.
00:02:57.000Well, you know what's interesting about this conversation is trying to interpret what songs are is the very actual thing that happened when people were trying to interpret the stories from the Bible.
00:04:18.000Summer of 69 had many meanings, although one of them included life in 1969, while another includes making love with someone, hence using the number 69 as a reference.
00:04:28.000Boy, that's not accurate, the way they said that.
00:04:31.000This is like the internet interpretation, sorry.
00:04:34.000What I meant was, it's like, you would never say that.
00:04:38.000That wouldn't be how you convey your feelings.
00:04:40.000Like, if you're writing that song, like the summer of 69, and this...
00:05:15.000My favorite example of a song that sort of misleads you...
00:05:18.000I mean, I really like songs where the cover's better than the original because the person doing the cover gets what the song's about better than the original artist does.
00:05:26.000I mean, All Along the Watchtower, Hendrix's version is way better than...
00:07:27.000Yeah, I was looking at something the other day, something on some video of yours in the comments or something, and it occurred to me how your audience is, first of all, so large and also so mixed because you've got your fingers in all these different worlds That you must get a lot more hostility than someone like Duncan or me,
00:07:46.000because our audience is more sort of homogeneous, I would think.
00:07:50.000I'm the bridge between the meatheads and the potheads.
00:08:13.000This is not like, I'm not like some actor that they hired to promote this.
00:08:17.000But then you got all the way to the far left, which is the psychedelic people, and I got a ton of vegan followers and people that are really into yoga.
00:08:25.000And it's like all of them together, it's like the weirdest fucking house party when you see them sometimes in the comments.
00:08:32.000At this Ram Dass retreat that I just went to, one of the people who runs the retreat wanted me to thank you because he's like, you know, your podcast brings a lot of people to these Ram Dass retreats, which is such a strange thing to think,
00:08:49.000man, that you're like magnetizing people, And bringing them down a slippery slope where they land in Maui, hanging out with, like, Buddhist and, like, Hindu teachers.
00:10:38.000But also they completely leave out that he was going into those tanks and claiming some kind of communication with something called the ECC or something.
00:10:55.000But he was going way out, talking about some kind of invisible, I guess, network that produces coincidences.
00:11:04.000I don't understand it at all, but people just completely leave that out, that the guy who created float tanks was using them to communicate with entities.
00:11:18.000Or maybe they're leaving out that the guy who invented float tanks lost his shit there toward the end.
00:11:23.000Well, maybe, but I think that I don't know what's happening when you're doing psychedelics, but there are certain psychedelics where it absolutely feels like you're experiencing another life form communicating with you.
00:11:37.000Now, if that's the case with ketamine as well, ketamine seems to be, like me personally, my personal bias, I sort of dismiss it because I think of it as some sort of chemical compound thing.
00:11:48.000Some sort of a synthetic thing that man's created.
00:12:32.000That's the craziest thing about the most potent drugs, whether it's psilocybin or whether it's dimethyltryptamine, they have really similar composition to normal human neurochemistry.
00:12:48.000But I do think that there is a distinction between natural and unnatural in the sense that something, because I get this argument all the time, right?
00:12:56.000Oh, people created it so it's natural.
00:12:58.000There are things that exist in the natural system, like plastics don't exist in the natural ecosystem, and therefore they don't break down.
00:13:06.000They don't become part of the food chain in a beneficial way, whereas things that have existed in that system for a long time do.
00:13:15.000And I think in terms of drugs, there are drugs like GHB that exist naturally in the body that we metabolize absolutely cleanly because the liver knows exactly what it is.
00:13:27.000And it doesn't cause any organic toxicity, no neurotoxicity.
00:13:31.000But then there are other things like alcohol, which are natural in a sense that fruits ferment and all that, but the body doesn't metabolize it cleanly, so it damages us.
00:13:41.000In particular, if you're from a very specific part of the world, right?
00:13:46.000If it's not a part of your custom, which is why it was such a giant issue when Europeans came here.
00:14:06.000And that word is a controversial word.
00:14:09.000Somehow people like to use the term plant medicine, which is okay.
00:14:12.000You can call it plant medicine, or you can call it whatever you want.
00:14:15.000But to create a hierarchy based on synthesis, I think, is to sort of miss the point.
00:14:22.000Which is that all of these things are tools, and some of them we have more of a history with humanity, and some of them we don't.
00:14:29.000The ones we don't, which is, my God, there's so many new drugs that are just popping up all the time.
00:14:37.000Different derivatives of LSD, things you can, like, right now apparently you can order sheets of this stuff That is like LSD, but it's in the gray area.
00:14:49.000It's like a different version of LSD, but we don't know yet the effects it's going to have, because it's not like anyone's really testing it outside.
00:14:56.000Don't say the name, because Jeff Sessions is listening.
00:14:58.000He's got one hand on his earmuffs, the other hand is writing his nose down.
00:15:29.000I mean, it's just scary to think about, like, Jeff Sessions having, like, some kind of, like, because, you know, he's such a, you know, he's just such the quintessential pig, you know?
00:15:38.000And it's like, you want the quintessential pig to have some kind of, like, to be almost like a eunuch or something.
00:15:44.000But it's terrifying to imagine that Jeff Sessions, when he takes his clothes off, probably has, like, six nipples, you know, just running right down the middle of his fucking chest.
00:16:35.000I know what science says, but I've got my personal opinions on the thing, and that's what matters.
00:16:40.000Yeah, just any time there's one person has authority over another person, and they've lived an entire life in that position, that's their ecosystem.
00:16:49.000Their ecosystem is they have authority, they enforce laws, they lock people up, and it's the game.
00:17:34.000Wait, what do you think anarchists are?
00:17:36.000Well, I think that anarchists are people who want to diminish this system that we have, have far less rules, have far less government, right?
00:18:19.000But I think one part of it that's really beautiful is the idea that we don't need withered old prunes like Jeff Sessions Telling us what we can put in our bodies.
00:19:22.000The corporations in the state are kind of the same thing.
00:19:24.000So there's these like Ministry of Labor.
00:19:27.000The stores are all national stores, you know?
00:19:30.000And so we think that that's not what's happening right now.
00:19:33.000But actually, because the people who are running a lot of the corporations used to be in government And the people who are in government used to be running these big corporations.
00:19:42.000One of the cool points he makes, and also because the government is making the rules that the corporations are working by, but the corporations are putting their own agents into the state, he's saying that actually the line between the state and private companies is really blurry right now.
00:19:58.000They're kind of merging together, but we like to pretend that they're separate.
00:20:03.000For example, what's happening right now with the fucking FCC trying to take away the internet, with Verizon having one of their fucking pig drones in a superposition of power right now is trying to take away the freedom of the internet.
00:20:16.000The state can be like, the corporations can blame it on the state.
00:20:20.000Well, just clarify what you mean by that, because they're not trying to take away the freedom of the internet.
00:20:24.000They're trying to get rid of net neutrality.
00:21:10.000It's like being able to throttle the data and being able to decide if you want to have Netflix on the network, they want to be able to work out some sort of a deal.
00:21:21.000They don't want to treat Netflix like it's any other sort of streaming service.
00:21:24.000You're looking at the There's business transactions.
00:21:28.000They're looking at it in a business sense.
00:21:29.000They're not saying the internet sucks.
00:21:31.000No one is trying to squeeze the internet and stop it.
00:21:34.000What they're trying to do is make more money.
00:22:14.000You start building financial walls around things or you start making things vanish into the background because they aren't in some big conglomerate that's paying off the Corporations more or whatever.
00:22:25.000You just mess up the whole thing, which as far as I can tell, it's doing great.
00:22:36.000It's the way the Internet's been working.
00:22:38.000Oh, dude, no one's a bigger proponent of the Internet than I am.
00:22:41.000I just think when we're talking about these issues, you've got to be...
00:22:44.000You've got to be really objective about what's trying to happen here.
00:22:47.000They're not trying to silence dissent.
00:22:49.000They're just trying to make as much money as possible.
00:22:53.000This is a weird, tricky time when it comes to information.
00:22:56.000We do have to be very careful because it could wind up being like, hey, you get your internet from Comcast.
00:23:02.000Well, Comcast does no longer allow the laugh app that has your podcast featured on it.
00:23:08.000Or, you know, some new streaming service that's yet to be discovered that will be in the future challenging YouTube.
00:23:14.000So YouTube gets together with Google, you know, they're owned by Google, and they get together with Verizon, and they make it exclusive for the Verizon network.
00:23:22.000If you want to get on YouTube, you have to be on the Verizon network.
00:23:25.000This is all inside the realm of possibility.
00:23:28.000At a deeper level, though, anybody who thinks that government has not been totally captured by corporations...
00:24:05.000That's true, but a lot of good things come from a lot of anarchist theorists, and some of those things, I agree with you.
00:24:13.000Well, I think a lot of it relates back to my shit with the hunter-gatherers, because hunter-gatherers are essentially anarchists, functioning anarchists.
00:24:37.000I think that every time you get large groups of people together and they operate under one window or one umbrella, rather, they just tend to act like an organism.
00:25:25.000Just to finish the point, I think what happens is a lot of people get in their heads and they start thinking that the state is responsible in some way or another for their well-being.
00:25:35.000And that's what happens is you start forgetting that...
00:25:40.000What's really important is communities.
00:25:42.000What's really important is finding a group of people that you love and deciding in this group of people, loosely, it's not a commune, it's not like a cult, but just deciding with a group of people that you love, making this really intense decision, which is none of us are ever going to be homeless.
00:25:59.000That used to be what the family was, but a lot of people don't have that anymore.
00:26:02.000So groups of people agreeing very loosely to take care of each other in a way that the state is currently functioning with welfare and all that shit.
00:26:12.000That, to me, is like, it's not anarchy, but it's a sense of shrugging off the idea that the state is really going to take care of you.
00:26:22.000But what if the state is an expression of that sense of community as it is in a country like Denmark, for example, where Danish people and Dutch people and Swedish people and, you know, lots of Northern European countries said, you know, we're not going to let anyone be homeless and suffering.
00:26:37.000We're not going to let any children We're going to be malnourished in this country.
00:26:41.000We're going to take care of each other.
00:26:43.000It depends on how, if there was a pure expression, for one, if the people were unified enough to create a pure expression of what their central goals were, that would be pretty startling to me.
00:26:55.000But we pay lip service to it in America all the time.
00:26:58.000You know, thanks for your service, and we're all in this together, we're all Americans, you know, around the flag, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:27:35.000But I was thinking to myself, man, what if everybody in California was like, shit, there's fires, and we all were going to help fight the fires.
00:27:48.000Would we all be able to put the fires out if as many people just started flooding to actually go help?
00:28:55.000Some people are good at some things and some people are good at other things, but nobody is valued more than the other person because everybody loves each other and you've got this, like, you know, the person who's the most, like, somebody digging trenches to, like, Put electrical wires down.
00:29:13.000A pretty unskilled job is super appreciated because who the fuck wants to dig the trenches, man?
00:29:19.000When you add money to the equation, which is what we're doing right now, and I get it.
00:29:23.000I'm not saying get rid of money or whatever.
00:29:25.000When you add money to it, everything gets fucking weird.
00:31:42.000But would that be a good idea to prevent people from poisoning people or people giving them bad food?
00:31:49.000Yeah, but I mean, I don't know for sure, man, but when was the last time you heard about an organized group like Food Not Bombs poisoning homeless people?
00:32:41.000The whole Reagan thing, what we're seeing now is the fruit, the bitter fruit of the Reagan revolution.
00:32:47.000They're still using the same economic arguments, this trickle-down shit.
00:32:50.000Most listeners probably aren't old enough to remember this, but I remember in the 80s, David Stockman was the economic advisor to Ronald Reagan who came up with all this stuff.
00:33:00.000Four or five years later, he left the administration.
00:33:03.000He came out and said that was all bullshit.
00:33:13.000But they're still using it because it's a narrative that's effective.
00:33:18.000I'm getting into this a lot recently, like how narratives are popular and powerful, not because they make sense, but because they create a story that justifies the power structure that's in control at the time.
00:33:36.000Yeah, well, this is why I think it's, like, hyper important right now for people to find groups of people that they love and do more than just, like, play board games.
00:33:45.000Like, get together with people and, like, make stuff.
00:33:57.000It's on fire in a way that you realize, like, oh, it could be twice as bad as this, and we would literally have to, everyone would have to flee the state.
00:35:21.000And like, oh no, these national monuments, we're selling them to this mining company that now, you know, their lobbyist works for the, you know, heads of the Department of the Interior.
00:38:43.000Well, yeah, I think a lot, Franken, I don't know enough about Franken, but a lot of these people, it's like Weinstein, wasn't it like 40 people or something like that?
00:40:10.000There's this massive amount of frustration that builds up because biologically most boys are horny little monsters at 13 or 14. They're not getting laid.
00:40:23.000And so it gets to the point, so there may be five, six years between when a boy is totally obsessed with not just sex, but with being acceptable to women, being loved by women, being touched, being caressed,
00:40:39.000and they can't think about anything else, and they're not getting it.
00:40:44.000And so I think a lot of boys grow up with extreme frustration that either curdles into misogyny, Where you get these, like, mass killers.
00:40:56.000Sexually liberated, free women, in their perspective.
00:40:59.000And you get guys that just chase money their whole lives because they think the money and the power is going to get them those women.
00:41:05.000And so when they get to that place and they're still fucking disgusting, And they sense that the women don't even want to fuck them, or they only fuck them because they're going to get something from them.
00:41:15.000Then there's all this self-hatred and shame.
00:41:18.000I think that's what's being expressed here.
00:41:20.000So I think it is power, and I do think that it's an expression or a manifestation of a deeply sex-negative pathological culture.
00:41:29.000But conversely, how do you feel about women that weren't attractive in high school?
00:41:33.000How come they don't lash out in the same way?
00:41:36.000Well, one, because women are much better at accepting their sexual situation.
00:41:43.000You see women have accepted a lot of shit that men aren't able to accept for millennia.
00:41:48.000That's partly biological and probably partly cultural.
00:41:52.000But also because, I mean, women can have sex, even women who aren't particularly attractive, because the whole market is so skewed in the other direction.
00:42:05.000Even women who aren't particularly attractive probably don't have much trouble getting laid in high school.
00:42:20.000An unattractive woman who has a hard time finding a boyfriend, someone who loves her, someone who wants to be emotionally connected to her, that probably is just as painful to a woman as a guy who can't find, maybe more painful, than a guy who can't find sex partners.
00:42:34.000In psychology, they say that men express these feelings through anger and women through depression and sadness.
00:42:42.000So you probably don't see women lashing out and killing a bunch of dudes.
00:42:45.000You see them being depressed and feeling like shit.
00:42:48.000And when you do, they have high testosterone.
00:43:53.000There's a lot of frustration that's inherently connected to this suppressive sexual culture that we find ourselves embroiled in that we don't necessarily agree with.
00:44:13.000I like to do a little thought experiment, which is I like to imagine Where my head's got to be if I jerk off into a house plant in front of somebody?
00:44:23.000If you've tried that, just think about it.
00:45:20.000I think it's the game, like we were talking about corporations and even police officers and guys like Jeff Sessions who have the game to arrest people.
00:46:02.000All the other ones, like the sexual frustration and stuff, doesn't seem so gross.
00:46:06.000It's like when you're imposing your will on someone, then it's unquestionably an expression of power.
00:46:13.000Once you are raping, once you're coercing, once you're imposing your will, and you're saying, I'm going to take away your career if you don't let me have sexual intercourse with you, well then it's a 100% power thing.
00:46:31.000I guess I haven't exercised sufficient power in my life to know the answer to this question, but does dominance feel good directly, or is it something that comes to you indirectly?
00:46:46.000Feel good to dominate someone else, or only because then you can get something that you want from them?
00:46:52.000I think it's something that you want from them, and I think there's also...
00:46:55.000I think human beings are connected to each other in an undeniable way, and I think that if you're exercising power over someone, like say if you...
00:47:05.000I hate to paint this scenario, but just say if you raped someone, you sexually attracted someone, you're alone with you, and you raped them, and if you have any conscience at all, If you, you know, they're screaming no and you're still having sex with them and you come and then after you have to think about it, like you would be horrified at yourself.
00:47:22.000The level of self-hatred would be almost unimaginable.
00:47:26.000You've imposed yourself and your twisted sickness.
00:47:42.000I think it's just almost like a creepy leftover reptilian instinct that creatures have.
00:47:52.000Because if you look at rape in nature, and this is not to exonerate rapists, this is not to normalize rape, but it's insanely common in the animal kingdom.
00:48:50.000But it is problematic to use the word rape when you're talking about animals because part of it is the way you described it that there's the knowledge on some level that this female is totally not into what's happening right now.
00:49:03.000Whereas presumably an orangutan doesn't have that knowledge.
00:49:07.000And also there are animals where the female is triggered to ovulate by aggressive male behavior that we might call raping.
00:49:15.000Like rabbits, you bite the back of their neck and that's what makes the female ovulate.
00:49:19.000Well, there's a lot of weird stuff when it comes to what is sexually attractive to certain women and what arouses them.
00:49:58.000When it comes to, like, S&M or bondage, I think one of the...
00:50:04.000Big misconceptions when it comes to that, is that if you're being tied up or if you're tying somebody up, that there's anger happening in that situation.
00:50:13.000It's one of the most sweet, loving, trusting things that you can do.
00:52:33.000Then you have toxic clouds and stuff too because all these warehouses Not only that, if the big one hits, it's entirely likely it's not just going to hit here, but it also hits in the ocean, in which case we get hit with a tsunami, which case all that super expensive real estate in Malibu just gets wiped away.
00:53:19.000If you ever watch like Porky's or if you watch any of the movies from the 70s, like the makeout scenes, like the guys are like, come on, baby, come here, what are you doing?
00:53:54.000Yeah, it's crazy when you go back and look and you realize, shit, man, what's happening is...
00:53:59.000One of those movies from the 50s where the guy will just grab the woman and kiss her and smack them in the mouth.
00:54:05.000Things are changing is what's happening.
00:54:08.000And as things change, two things we need to figure out, number one, we have to admit, yeah, I get it, man.
00:54:17.000For me, hanging out with you, doing the podcast with you, here's one thing I know, man, I'm pretty sure at least, you don't want to fuck me.
00:54:42.000What's happening with women is, because a lot of dudes, and I'm sorry if this is a shocking thing to say, a lot of dudes are in positions of power.
00:54:50.000And what's happening with women is who want to be actors, whatever, who want to do stuff, when they're getting around these guys, They don't have that assurance.
00:55:01.000They're probably thinking, this guy wants to fuck me.
00:55:07.000And these are women who most guys want to fuck.
00:55:09.000Especially if you're talking about Harvey Weinstein and these hot actresses.
00:55:13.000The strange thing is, you have that, unquestionably.
00:56:32.000So at what point are we taking away women's agency when we say that you shouldn't be able to give a guy a blowjob and get a part in a movie?
00:57:39.000It's going to take a long time to finish, though.
00:57:42.000If you're both into it, and again, I hate that we have to be super clear about this, but I'm not exonerating rape or sexual harassment or predatory behavior.
00:57:50.000What I am saying is we have a weird...
00:57:54.000It's weird that we separate commerce from intimacy when it comes to sex.
00:58:03.000Where women will be talking to me about, you know, well, my kid's going to school at this place and he really likes wrestling.
00:58:09.000But the problem is they're just continuing the program.
00:58:12.000And while they're doing that, she's digging her elbow in my back.
00:58:14.000I'm in pain, but I'm in my underwear, alone in a room with this lady, and I'm having a nice conversation with her while she's being intimate with me.
00:58:21.000I mean, that's essentially what's going on.
00:58:23.000There's oil involved, they're massaging your neck, and it feels really good.
00:58:27.000As long as you don't shoot any fluid out of your body.
00:58:39.000When your dick starts getting harder and you're getting a platonic massage and you're preparing your apology.
00:58:46.000Yeah, but it's because being touched, we're all so touched, starved, you know, in this society, that I think people have a hard time distinguishing between pleasant touch and eroticism, or between good sex and love.
00:59:02.000You know, we mix it all together because we're so unfamiliar with it.
00:59:06.000I think there's also, there would be levels to prostitution, too, right?
00:59:17.000What would be the problem with someone who, say, was a woman who just did not have a desire to have a family, liked her freedom, didn't want to work a regular job, but she likes having sex with men that she likes.
00:59:48.000It's not Friends with Benefits, but they're websites, and there's a whole name for these sugar daddies and sugar daddy sites, where the guys know.
01:01:46.000It's no big deal, right, as far as the Thai people are concerned.
01:01:50.000And at some point on that trip, they'll go to the village where she grew up, and they'll meet her family, and he'll be like, yeah, your mother's refrigerator's looking kind of old.
01:03:10.00055. The idea that we're still under...
01:03:14.00043. Imagine being under the whims of some people who died, you know, hundreds of years ago, had complete ignorance to human psychology, to physiology, to sexual urges, to genetics.
01:03:28.000What they knew then is literally flavoring the way we behave today.
01:03:47.000If you are in an office eight hours a day, that is most of your day.
01:03:51.000Most of your waking, conscious day, you're spending in this one area and people, they start behaving like that's the world.
01:04:01.000And you start becoming sexually attracted to the people that are in your world.
01:04:05.000And some people reciprocate and some do not.
01:04:07.000Some people are frustrated and some are not.
01:04:10.000And some people are gross and they're in a position of power in that weird world.
01:04:14.000And I think maybe that guy wouldn't sexually harass in the big world, but in this little world where everything's like jammed in together and you have these clearly defined things, like this guy's got a plaque on his desk that says, the boss, right?
01:04:27.000And you've got to come in, he's got the desk, come on, shut the door, shut the door.
01:04:30.000Or if you're like Matt Lauer, you've got a button where you lock the door, click.
01:05:13.000And the direct relation to what you were saying earlier is what I read about Matt Lauer was that he couldn't have sex with just normal people because he's famous and he'd get in trouble.
01:05:52.000By the way, last word on this for me anyway, the people who are acting shocked and outraged around Matt Lauer and Charlie Rose are full of shit.
01:06:02.000That's what kills me, the hypocrisy of the people who have been working with them for years and going, I had no idea.
01:06:09.000I heard about Charlie Rose being a fucking creep 15 years ago, and I don't even work in media, you know?
01:07:31.000As he's rubbing their back, if you can't feel, they're fucking atoms trying to escape your sweaty goddamn fucking male dominator.
01:07:41.000How many guys become friends with women, air tag friends, just so they just creep in closer, almost like you're stalking big game and you want to just move real close, just real slow.
01:08:36.000Put people together, they're going to be attracted.
01:08:39.000And if you're married to some guy, and he's the big boss, and says that on his brass plate, the big boss, and the big boss has a secretary with a big ass and big tits, and she's friendly, and he's alone with her all day, all day, all day,
01:11:15.000Maybe like, what, 20,000 years of slimy massages?
01:11:18.000It's been building up like the fucking Yellowstone super caldera and in the fucking like epigenetic DNA of women there is probably somewhere encoded in there just millennia of creepy fucking massages that don't stop with the fucking massage depending on what time period you're in you know and so I think that what we're feeling right now is the result of generations of Creepy fucking massages and much much worse
01:11:49.000happening and women are like fuck this this fucking sucks We're sick of it.
01:11:54.000We're fucking sick of your creepy massages and that's what it is and some women I mean imagine man I've never there's one time and At a blockbuster video.
01:12:03.000I used to work at a blockbuster video.
01:12:04.000And my boss was this, like, just a sleazy fucking, like, just a slimy fucking gay dude.
01:14:26.000I really do think there's something to this idea that humans aren't meant to be in these small areas totally enclosed in together with each other all day.
01:14:48.000But it's It's a super unnatural environment to be in these cubicles, these small little boxed-in offices, working day in, day out with people, smelling them.
01:15:52.000She has a video up today that she put on her Instagram, but she's got a great Instagram, and a video up today of Bob Dylan in, like, the 1960s in Paris getting all these really dumb questions thrown at him.
01:16:05.000And he's doing, like, this press conference, and he's sitting there smoking cigarettes, and he looks like he's, like, 25 years old.
01:16:10.000And they're yelling things at him and asking him questions, like, what?
01:17:27.000If Bob Dylan had a Twitter account, he would get those exact same stupid questions.
01:17:33.000Don't you think your older stuff's better than your stuff today?
01:17:38.000Do you ever see that there's some performance artist who hired security for himself and a cameraman, and he walked through Times Square pretending to be super famous?
01:17:50.000And they had other people at the periphery studying the crowd reaction to this staged, famous person walking through Times Square?
01:18:01.000I don't know how to tell Jamie to look for it, but it's incredible.
01:18:05.000They interview people who have seen him, and there's two huge black dudes and a guy with a camera, and he's walking around like he's fucking some superstar.
01:18:44.000Well, I've had that happen to me before where someone would come up and ask me for a picture, and then another guy would pull out his phone and go, who are you, man?
01:19:23.000I'll do it still at the Ice House and stuff like that, but sometimes people, they have an agenda, and it's not just to say hi, and they just want to monopolize your time.
01:19:32.000They don't care if there's other people around you, and you run into those people, and you don't know what...
01:21:56.000I ended up like pulling the thing open and inside the picture was a fucking joint.
01:22:03.000The guy had shoved a joint into the picture and I had flown with it.
01:22:08.000So if they had like seen, if they'd opened that shit up, they would have seen a joint and I would have had to been like, nah man, somebody gave that to me at a show!
01:24:53.000I will fucking shoot you, and then did shoot him for just reaching back to grab his pants as his pants were falling down as he was crawling.
01:25:00.000I mean, he in no way looked like he was doing something dangerous.
01:25:04.000But the most fucking disturbing thing was how many people in the comments after I posted that video on Twitter were saying, you know, that he didn't comply.
01:26:28.000And the idea that this represents two human beings in an interaction, and that one human being has that much power over the other one, that he can yell at him, scream at him, totally escalate the situation, not de-escalate, you know, and that he's got this gun out,
01:26:43.000by the way, which you're in an open carry state.
01:26:46.000So if the guy did have a toy gun, or whatever the fuck they said he had, And he's holding his toy gun and someone calls the police.
01:27:00.000He was an exterminator and he had like.22s or something that he used for extermination in the room and somebody saw through the window him Holding a rifle.
01:27:13.000Unless someone just got completely hysterical and called and said, hey, the guy's pointing the gun out the window at people, and this is the message they got.
01:27:21.000And the cops don't know when they show up.
01:27:22.000But when you see that guy and that woman, and you just see their fucking body language as they're walking down the hallway, super casual.
01:27:29.000They're not walking like people that are about to kill people.
01:27:40.000And so, I mean, this gets back to what we were talking about with the women, this moment in history where women are tired of the sleazy hand rubs.
01:27:46.000I think we're also at the moment where non-white people are fucking tired of being gunned down.
01:29:15.000Don't you think there's like a cleansing revolution that has to happen every once in a while?
01:29:20.000I think what we're experiencing now is people, well, what we're getting from information, right, and what we're getting from this use of the internet is the ability to spread information instantaneously.
01:29:29.000This video could have existed decades ago and we would have never seen it, you know, and there would be no need for body cameras back then either.
01:30:25.000Well, she said, she was joking on this podcast I deal with her, she was like, you know, I think I've gamed the system because what I love the most in sex is DP and that's what they pay the most for.
01:30:35.000DP being double penetration for people who aren't fucked up.
01:30:45.000What that shows, that's a person who figured out, truly, who figured out how to make money doing what she loves.
01:30:51.000And so, in the same way, when you have these fucking sociopaths, these pedophiles, who want to make a career, who want to figure out a way to do what they're doing while sustaining themselves, well, they're like, oh, I'll just become a priest.
01:31:06.000If I become a priest, I'm going to have...
01:31:50.000And he likes to dominate people, and he wants to be in control, and he wants to have power, and he got himself into a job where he could get paid to be the worst kind of murderous bully there is.
01:32:02.000And that's what's really happening, is that we have in our society...
01:32:08.000And the monsters are smart and they're figuring out ways to get into positions of power.
01:32:13.000And before the bloody revolution, we just need to come up with better ways to scan for these fucking assholes so that we can keep them out of these positions of power.
01:32:22.000Not only do we not scan for them, we encourage them.
01:32:26.000The system is built in such a way that they're encouraged.
01:32:29.000I mean, it's no accident that we end up with psychopaths as president.
01:32:33.000Who the fuck else would want to do that?
01:33:37.000Could you say this, that we have an infantile view of what the president is because there are so many tasks and so many human beings and so many things that are connected to him that the idea that he is the one giving all the orders for all these different things that are happening all over the world is kind of absurd.
01:33:54.000It's like a monotheistic god or the daddy.
01:33:57.000We really need to go to a more community-based understanding of religion, of politics, of everything.
01:34:04.000There shouldn't be one person in charge of everything.
01:35:31.000Nearly 90% of the people killed in airstrikes were not the intended targets during one five-month period of operation between January 2012 and February 2013. Why do they hate us?
01:36:32.000Yeah, you call it a garbage dump, I call it a gold mine!
01:36:35.000But like, you take somebody like that, and it's like, okay, clearly nuts.
01:36:39.000But then you take someone like Obama or any American president, who's killed so many more people, or ordered people to kill so many more people, and many of those people are children.
01:36:49.000And they're dressed in a suit, and they're dapper, and they're fucking charismatic.
01:36:53.000I mean, fuck, if Obama walked into the room right now, I'd be like, wow, Obama, wow, great to meet you.
01:37:18.000Say if the target's an apartment building, they have a geolocator on the target, like whatever it is, whether it's metadata from someone's cell phone that indicates the cell phone's in this...
01:37:52.000The scary thing is not just that 90% are unintended targets.
01:37:56.000It's that they know, going in, that they're going to kill a bunch of unintended targets and they still gun them down.
01:38:03.000You saw that collateral murder video, which is what put WikiLeaks on the map, when they released that video that showed those guys gunning down, and there's a minivan, and there's kids in the van, and the guy's literal reaction is, shouldn't have brought the kids.
01:39:56.000I mean, the thing about drones is they don't tell you we're launching drone strikes.
01:40:03.000And then, like, let's talk about Yemen, where all the weapons that Saudi Arabia is using to starve and destroy the Yemeni population came from the United States.
01:40:32.000Sorry to – I don't know if this will derail it, but we were talking about Sam Harris earlier and the beef I have – it's not a beef, but the disagreement that I have with him around his Islam thing is that he totally discounts the role of U.S. foreign policy in creating the toxic – Environment that gives rise to things like ISIS. Are you sure that he totally discounts that?
01:41:48.000And I'm like, yeah, but dude, that particular ideology of Islam is taking hold, A, because of 100 years of foreign policy, of humiliating and destroying these cultures, and B, because of American support for the Saudi-supported I forgot the name of the schools that are all over the Middle East now because of Saudi Arabia,
01:42:13.000putting them into Pakistan and Afghanistan and all that.
01:42:20.000So, I mean, I think this is really important that when you destroy countries and when you do it the way we're doing it, we don't even have the balls to go in on the ground.
01:42:30.000You're just blasting people from the clouds.
01:42:35.000And if that's expressed in terms of a religious ideology or whatever it is, it's going to come back.
01:42:41.000You're absolutely right, but there's also stuff that's happening to places that has nothing to do with America that's also related to...
01:42:49.000I mean, look at what's going on in Iraq when the power vacuum was created because Saddam Hussein was killed, and the Sunnis and the Shia started a civil war.
01:42:58.000And they're starting a war that has nothing to do with America, other than the fact that America took out their dictator.
01:43:21.000When they created these countries in Africa as well, they intentionally created them so that there were opposing tribes or populations within the country so that they could better exercise control over them.
01:43:33.000So they engineered the Sunni and the Shiite?
01:43:35.000They engineered, you look at the origins of, and I'm not an expert, I've read this several different places, but I know it happened in Africa as well, where they would intentionally draw the border so that you have different tribes within that border who all have long-lasting enmity with each other,
01:43:53.000so you can arm and manipulate one tribe to dominate the others.
01:43:59.000And then when decolonialization happened, then we have all these unstable...
01:44:05.000Structures in place that we've left behind.
01:44:07.000I think what you're outlining is that it's a very complex issue.
01:44:29.000And when you're on a team that has, arguably in 2017, the most archaic mainstream ideology, that's Islam, right?
01:44:40.000I mean, if you stop and think about how ancient is it, how in its practices, the way, especially when it's used in radical ways, the way women are forced to dress, the way in Saudi Arabia, I think up until really recently, they weren't allowed to drive, right?
01:45:23.000And look, the reason why you have this idea of jihad and jihadism involving suicide bombers and sacrifice in war, a lot of that is directly attributable to what happened to Afghanistan during the Soviet Union's interaction with them when we were training the Mujahideen.
01:45:45.000The way they talked people into going to war and armed them against the Soviet Union, these futile attempts, there was a lot of encouragement for a lot of these suicidal tactics.
01:45:58.000Maybe not necessarily suicide bombing, But the Mujahideen were armed directly by the United States.
01:46:05.000And that is what turned Osama bin Laden against us.
01:46:44.000A buddy of mine who was over in Afghanistan was telling me how they would put kids in front of tractors because the tractors weren't expensive.
01:47:15.000I guess all the donkeys have blown up already.
01:47:18.000Just fucking imagine that that could even be something that someone could say and you realize the difference in the world, the harshness of the world that you're talking about.
01:47:28.000And the worst thing about Afghanistan I mean, I know a lot of old hippies who used to...
01:49:03.000Everything wasn't necessarily peaceful and joyful.
01:49:05.000There was still fundamentalism happening there.
01:49:08.000But I think all the shit we're talking about...
01:49:11.000The really creepy thing is that whatever this is, whether it's the United States stuck a fucking stick in the ant's nest too much, and now we've got like these fundamentalist lunatics who will blow themselves up to kill other people,
01:49:27.000Whether we've got a viral form of a religion that has infected people's brains and is now going to spread with adversity, the real problem is we're also dealing with an exponential increase in technological progress.
01:49:44.000I interviewed this guy Aaron Frank from Singularity University, and this is a scary thing he said, is eventually there's going to be technology that exists where you can just like, you can, you know, engineer a Engineer fucking ebola using some kind of biological 3d printer when that that might be 50 years from now 60 years,
01:50:04.000and I don't know but it's not that far away and also This fucking Cuban sound beam right?
01:50:11.000Yeah, there's kind of you know the story popped up about these people in Cuba State there's some weird chirping sound shot at the embassy right at the embassy us embassy there they're shooting some sort of sound weapon at them and It was driving them crazy.
01:50:26.000And so, when you consider that already there is apparently some new sonic weapon existing that can make you mentally disabled, maybe permanently, and we're dealing with people who are mentally disabled in another fucking way, which is that they have become infected with some I think?
01:51:01.000And just start launching it into people's houses.
01:53:09.000Dude, this is actually why we need LSD right now, because the problem is we're facing one of the most beautiful things that could ever happen to a society, which is we're about to create this beautiful technology that is going to be something unlike anything we've ever seen.
01:57:11.000And they just tested it, and they swabbed it, and whatever minimal amount of nitrogen that they found on it, which exists in fertilizer, but also in bombs, somehow or another.
01:57:22.000But it's also, by the way, nitrogen is the most common thing in the air.
01:57:27.000I don't know how they're, like, getting what they're getting off of the laptop.
01:57:32.000I don't know why it would test positive or what have you, but it was apparently a minimal amount in some way, shape, or form they thought it was okay.
01:57:40.000I thought they were going to turn it on and check the content and you're going to get in trouble for all the porn on there.
01:57:45.000All my writing, all the shit that I write down, what the fuck is wrong with your head?
01:57:50.000But if you worked on a farm and you got that nitrogen shit all over you, if you were laying down some fertilizer and you got in your clothes and you went straight to the airport, you're not flying anywhere, bro.
01:58:00.000They check you and they find that shit on you.
01:58:03.000If somehow or another it gets detected, like it's touching your bags or something like that, you're going to be in for some questioning.
01:58:44.000Yeah, which works when both people are sane.
01:58:47.000But when you're dealing with someone who wants to die, like these shooters, when you look at what's happening with these shooters, like the guy in Vegas, that's an example.
01:58:56.000Of a lunatic getting a hold of some technology and using that technology to wipe out a shit ton of people not caring if he's gonna die.
01:59:04.000What if that guy was up there with a fucking Cuban sonic dum-dum beam?
01:59:08.000Just blasting people with this beam that's like making them for the rest of their lives have some kind of neurological impairment.
01:59:16.000What if that person, God forbid, he was up there like dusting out smallpox that he had printed up in his 3D printer.
01:59:31.000I don't even know how you, like, we're looking at like huge chunks of the human population that believe that in this insane creator force that actually wants them to explode themselves.
01:59:45.000You know, they went in and like that shooting that just happened where ISIS came in and just fucking executed a bunch of Sufis.
02:01:10.000Well, here's how easy the AI is to hack.
02:01:11.000Donald Trump, who's never been religious at any point in his life, ever, now is able to say, God bless America, and everybody starts clapping.
02:01:21.000And they believe that he believes that God is blessing America, which has never been a part of his thought process.
02:01:36.000There's never any espousing of any religious doctrines or talking about the greatness of Christianity, but now he does it, and because he's in this position where you have to believe it, we accept that new variation in his speech, that now he brings God into the equation.
02:01:50.000We never brought God into the equation before.
02:01:53.000That's so creepy, man, the way you just said.
02:01:55.000I didn't know what you were talking about, because I'm like, Trump definitely didn't hack any fucking AI. But now I hear what you're saying.
02:02:46.000He was saying everyone thinks the problem with AI is that it's going to be robots killing people, which is one part of it.
02:02:54.000But the real problem is that the AI is going to be able to start hacking the human operating system.
02:03:00.000And we kind of have already witnessed that with the Twitter bots.
02:03:07.000You can produce the illusion of a majority opinion using bots.
02:03:15.000Right now, you can at least kind of tell what the bots are.
02:03:19.000You go back and look, and you realize the bot's been tweeting every five minutes, and it's got lists of people in it.
02:03:26.000It's usually tweeting memes, and it seems to have been You'd have to chase it down if you just looked at the comments itself after a post.
02:03:32.000Like, say, if you're someone who opposes President Trump, and they've got Trump bots that they use to go and attack someone who says anything bad about Trump, you would just see the overwhelming negative response versus positive response.
02:03:45.000Yeah, well, yeah, but you could still I guess what I'm saying is like right now there's a way you can tell Something's a bot but as AI gets better, right?
02:03:53.000You're gonna start seeing I've been thinking about this.
02:03:55.000You're gonna start seeing these like basically social networking farmers so the idea is like I create a teenage bot and I figure out a way to get it to create its own Facebook account and For like, I don't know six years It just posts shit on its own Facebook account,
02:04:13.000giving the illusion that this is a living thing.
02:04:15.000Now, if I could do that with 7,000 of these teen bots, so now I have a bot swarm of 7,000 AIs that all have...
02:04:26.000Facebook accounts, Twitter accounts, Instagram accounts, that they've been somehow populating with bullshit content for like seven years.
02:04:33.000So now no one can really even tell if it's a person or not.
02:04:37.000I've got a really super powerful weapon.
02:04:40.000And so I think that's what's the real creepy thing with AI is, and you know, you've seen that shit that popped up on the internet, the ability, here's a road in the day.
02:04:49.000Look, we just made it look like it's winter now.
02:04:51.000We just made it look like it's nighttime now.
02:04:53.000We just made it look like it's whatever, any time of year that we want.
02:04:57.000It's going to get to the point where we can make a person look like they said anything.
02:05:01.000And you're not going to be able to tell the difference.
02:05:18.000It's reality bombs where you're going to be able to bomb a culture with AI, produce the illusion of anything that you fucking want, whatever you want, and people are going to believe it.
02:05:37.000You're creating the illusion of community of a bunch of people that believe a certain thing, that react certain ways, and that manipulates the hordes, right?
02:05:46.000Bernays wrote about this in the 20s, about manipulating the masses.
02:05:49.000And look at how effective it's already been in its rudimentary form.
02:05:53.000Now imagine a super advanced form of that.
02:05:56.000And what you're looking at is like one of the real problems of AI that maybe is more problematic than robots going so fast you have to use a strobe light to see them.
02:06:05.000We're talking about people no longer...
02:06:08.000If you believe that anything in the media...
02:06:12.000We're on the internet is real or if you've been trying to like establish your concept of what the universe is or the world is based on the news based on The internet and people have been doing that for a long time with newspapers and shit Then we're gonna enter into a phase in human history where that is no longer necessarily a way for us to gauge what Reality actually is because we're not even gonna know fucking humans are creating the content We're not we're gonna get to a certain point in time.
02:06:40.000We're not gonna know if someone's human Yeah.
02:07:40.000Most people already are robots or automatons in the sense that most people, when they're doing anything, whatever the thing is they're doing, it's imitation.
02:07:50.000So when a person who's acting cool, usually the person who's acting cool Has learned that from something?
02:08:31.000They wake up in the morning, they get their coffee, they get in their car, they go and do their thing, they come back, they go to bed, they barely even know what they're doing.
02:08:39.000So we're already dealing with a kind of organic robot, a meat machine, that's barely even aware of what it's doing, you know, which is why I think, and I know you and I talk about Christ a lot.
02:08:51.000I'm going to bring it up on your show again.
02:08:53.000When Jesus is being crucified, I think one of the most poignant things in the New Testament is when Jesus is being crucified, he looks out and he says, Father, forgive them.
02:09:05.000Interpret that as being like they don't know I'm Jesus But I think what he's really saying is they don't know what they're fucking doing man period period They're just on autopilot.
02:09:17.000They're barely sentient termites in the mound now Let's think about what we were talking about earlier when we're talking about 50 year olds.
02:09:27.000No, no I didn't know if you were passing it.
02:09:28.000Yeah Give him some of that shit We're talking about 50 year old movies, you know, those old movies where men smacked women and grabbed them and how you're seeing these big changes in the way people behave.
02:10:01.000If you really think about the amount of raw change that's happening in our life, Just what's going on right now with this whole Me Too movement, the sexual harassment and sexual assault, you know, outing of all these predators.
02:10:16.000All this stuff that's happening now is like accelerated evolution.
02:10:24.000It's like accelerated cultural compatibility, like accelerated understanding of...
02:11:12.000You could read about it in books, but seeing it visually in films is so shocking and stunning and you see just the way people interacted with each other and you just think about if someone from like 1950 tried to exist today, it would be hilarious.
02:11:26.000It would be hilarious just watching them try to interact with everybody with phones and all this stuff.
02:11:30.000They literally would be like a person from a foreign world.
02:12:37.000What if people figure out a way to get smarter?
02:12:39.000What if they develop CRISPR telekinesis modules where they can insert them into your fucking head and it works off your own body's electricity?
02:13:54.000We always are scanning the skies for radio signals, or that's what we used to do, but maybe we haven't even produced a signal that an advanced civilization would identify as being something that would come from a civilization And the moment we do it, the moment somebody at CERN or somebody at DARPA produces some kind of beam that emanates from the planet,
02:14:15.000it just summons just a fucking legion of crafts that just want to enslave us, you know?
02:14:29.000The weirdest thoughts that I've ever had about interacting with other aliens or other life forms from another planet is not that it's a signal.
02:14:36.000It's not that like you like but you can go to a place.
02:15:03.000There's this really rudimentary, crude, physical distance space that we operate in on a daily basis.
02:15:11.000As advanced as we are for Earth, we're still fairly low level in terms of The ability to spring forth an entire universe from something the size of the head of a pin, which is what the Big Bang is, right?
02:15:22.000So some insanely complex webbing of just insane distance plus potential life forms and different styles of life that could exist on all these different planets.
02:15:35.000Hundreds of billions of known galaxies in the universe that's so big Lawrence Krauss tried to explain to me the size of the universe and he changed the way I looked at it because he said it's not that we know for sure that the universe is 13.7 billion years old but that's as far back as we can see with what we have now and he was saying that time That he was trying to make some distinction between the amount of time it would take to
02:16:05.000go back more than 13.7 billion years and that time literally moves faster than that.
02:16:13.000And that you can't detect it after work.
02:16:16.000We're very limited in our ability to detect things after a certain space.
02:16:20.000So he's not like necessarily the universe is only 13.7 billion years old.
02:16:35.000What we can prove now is that the light we're getting is 13.7 billion years old, or the radio waves that indicate that there was some sort of an explosion.
02:16:44.000But all of it is like super sketchy, man.
02:16:47.000They're all writing things down on little legal notepads.
02:16:50.000They're all agreeing with the math and looking at it.
02:16:52.000And they're way fucking smarter than me, so they probably write about a lot of stuff.
02:16:56.000But it's entirely possible that just we don't have the ability to detect how much further it actually goes back.
02:17:03.000This whole faulty assumption of this initial beginning of the universe might be bullshit.
02:17:09.000There might literally not have ever been a beginning.
02:17:24.000A couple months ago, they found remains in Morocco that seemed to be about 300,000 years old that appear to be from anatomically modern humans.
02:17:33.000Well, so when you say something goes back, well, you've had Graham Hancock on a lot, right?
02:17:38.000When you say something goes back a certain amount of time, often what you're saying is that's how far back we found something, or that we can detect it in the case of the space exploration.
02:18:47.000And the other thing, I actually had an idea for a book, which the rate I write, I'll never live to write it, but the idea is to look at the known unknowns in science, right?
02:18:58.000Because there are things that are, you elucidated an example earlier, where it's like, look, that's how far we can detect.
02:19:04.000That doesn't mean that's how far it is.
02:20:03.000And apparently it gets a little screwy in places where there's higher levels of carbon and there's some weirdness to it, especially initially when it was first invented.
02:20:12.000But just the fact that it exists, that someone can say, oh, well, we found out that the dinosaurs died 65 million years ago.
02:20:49.000Yeah, the actual asteroid itself that killed all the dinosaurs.
02:20:52.000I want to say it was five miles wide, but I might be making that up.
02:20:56.000Imagine a five-mile-wide city slamming into the Earth going 45,000 miles an hour from space, and you could watch it all take place in virtual reality.
02:21:09.000You're going to be able to literally witness the people coming off the Mayflower and clubbing Native Americans and raping them and killing them.
02:22:00.000So the 300 billion, whatever it'll be in 100 years, 320 million people that exist in this country right now, there's probably a picture of everybody.
02:22:10.000That was not the case 100 years ago, right?
02:22:13.000In the future, there's going to be some sort of a three-dimensional version of you that you use as an avatar in your 3D games, and that's going to look exactly like you, and they're going to be able to make something that literally recreates moments in your life.
02:22:27.000Well, they're going to be able to take your social thumbprint, they're going to be able to, theoretically, Yeah.
02:22:31.000They could scan all your Instagram posts, your Facebook posts, all your tweets, even your podcasts, analyze your voice, get an idea of your personality, construct some kind of massive amount of data, feed it to an AI, say, create a personality based on this person, here's their picture,
02:22:48.000animate the picture, and now you've cloned yourself, and AI is basically imbued All the data that exists in you has been used to imbue an image of you with your personality, and now you are living in some kind of simulator, which means that you're going to be able to – anyone who has ever had their picture taken and has some kind of data out there to establish some kind of personality,
02:23:11.000you're going to be able to use that to make – To simulate individuals that have lived in the past.
02:23:18.000And dude, it's going to get really interesting ethically.
02:23:20.000Because it's like, alright, let me fucking take like...
02:23:31.000AI produce a mini Taylor Swift, and I'm going to drop her into a simulated reality filled with fire-breathing scorpions to see what Taylor Swift would do if she was running through some doom simulator.
02:23:45.000And they're going to have to come up with laws about this, which is like, you can't duplicate without permission.
02:23:52.000We've talked about that on the podcast before with robots.
02:23:55.000We were like, what's going to stop you from making a replica of, say, Jennifer Lopez for a sex robot?
02:24:10.000You take it home and you fuck Jennifer Lopez.
02:24:12.000Well, more than likely, it's going to be, you're going to have some kind of like...
02:24:16.000What you would have, I guess, would be some kind of generic-looking fuck doll, but you put AI goggles on or augmented reality goggles on, it projects whoever you want onto this thing.
02:24:28.000So it's like you don't even go buy a fuck doll based on a celebrity.
02:24:32.000You would just have some kind of, like, basically a screen in the form of an android that your augmented reality would project a person onto that.
02:24:46.000Projecting your ideal person onto someone else.
02:24:49.000That's where it gets really fucking weird.
02:24:50.000That's the other thing that you're going to be able to do is you're going to be able to sit across from someone and project onto them anyone that you want.
02:25:54.000Don't you think this is, like, when you smoke DMT, and I've never smoked DMT, and I never would do any illegal psychedelic, but let's say that I had recently done it at, like, I don't know, Burning Man, where no one's doing drugs there anymore,
02:26:10.000but let's say that I'd done it there, but...
02:26:19.000So making up that I had had that, I had a crazy experience, man, where I looked down after drinking this very strong mint tea, and I saw this fucking...
02:27:26.000It's like, my God, it's just so much potential here.
02:27:28.000But I thought to myself, I'm gonna miss my friends if I have to hang out in this place because the Interesting thing about DMT is that there's a sense of I've heard other people report this a sense of incredible Familiarity where you're like I have been here.
02:27:44.000In fact, this is home Yeah, and then you realize the feeling of coming home is actually this is that it's not even close to the feeling of being at home here and I'm looking around at this and thinking Yeah, but my friends, my friends, what about all my friends?
02:27:58.000I'm gonna, in this space, I'm gonna miss them.
02:28:00.000And that thing, it doesn't talk to you, but it's like, might as well be a voice.
02:28:03.000It's like, oh, oh, you can always go back there.
02:28:06.000And then I open my eyes, and I'm back at Burning Man, hanging out with my friends.
02:28:11.000And that's when I realized, oh, fuck, I get reincarnation, man, I get it.
02:28:16.000This thing you're talking about, the simulator that is going to happen, sometimes, after having taken psychedelics, you think, no, no, no, it's already fucking happened.
02:28:24.000And this thing that we're in right now, our lives, the idea of reincarnation is you die, and then you become a goat or something crazy like that, a larva, a slug.
02:28:34.000But what if it's that you die, you pop into that DMT realm, and you get to jump back into your life at any frame of your life that you want to?
02:28:43.000You can actually repopulate your life or reincarnate your life at any moment.
02:28:48.000So you die, you become the universal superintelligence, and then you gaze back into what happened.
02:28:55.000And usually it's like in Buddhism, they say, the cause of suffering is attachment.
02:29:00.000You're attached to that life, this thing you just were, this fucking interdimensional temporal worm that burrowed through time with every action that you took.
02:29:20.000So in any given moment, you could be reincarnating a million fucking times.
02:29:25.000You could just be like always coming back to any frame of your life that you want.
02:29:30.000Anyway, this is what came to me out there in the desert, and I was thinking, oh, I get it.
02:29:33.000It's not like you reincarnate into other life forms.
02:29:36.000You keep repeating your life, but it's not a circle.
02:29:39.000It's a spiral, hopefully, because each time you can improve a little bit more.
02:29:44.000You can improve a little bit more, make decisions that you normally wouldn't make, which is why, like, at any given moment, You know the big moments that come when you're around somebody and you're about to say some shitty fucking thing to them?
02:29:56.000You know your enemy, whoever it may be.
02:29:58.000That moment where you're about to do the fucking thing you always do.
02:30:27.000I mean, that's kind of, in a way, it replicates what you talk about sometimes on your social media, I see on your Instagram, like taming the inner bitch.
02:30:35.000You had a thing the other day, it was like, you know, I really did not want to do this today, you know, I got up, you know, after you did a show the night before, whatever, and you did it, and at the end of it, by doing that thing you didn't want to do, or not doing the thing you do want to do, conversely,
02:30:53.000And that thing you Instagrammed, which I think is a super cool thing that you do, because I think a lot of people need to think, yeah, man, I can fucking anytime I want.
02:31:36.000When you're like, fuck, I'm not gonna go running.
02:31:38.000You're not just feeling your own, like, you know, lack of ambition or laziness.
02:31:43.000You're literally feeling, now again, I don't believe this, it's just like a thought experiment or whatever, but you're literally feeling the gravitational pull of infinite lifetimes where in that moment you decided not to go running.
02:31:55.000You're actually feeling like the track that you've carved deep into the time-space continuum by every time that moment appears.
02:32:02.000You keep making, so when you actually do go, I'm gonna go, fuck, You're kind of climbing out of this trench that you've dug into time over countless incarnations.
02:32:13.000And when you do that and you're out there running, you're like in a new dimension now.
02:33:18.000Interesting things start happening more.
02:33:21.000I think we fight against ourselves sometimes, accidentally.
02:33:25.000When I was young, I would have an interaction with someone, and then I would always imagine what they were going to say when we talked again, and then I would imagine me talking shit to them, and then I would imagine them getting upset at me and having a delusional perspective.
02:33:41.000I would play out this weird play in my mind.
02:33:45.000And then when I was in my 20s, I started to realize how preposterous it was.
02:34:04.000I have arguments in my head with people that weren't there.
02:34:06.000That's like sometimes you'll have a conversation with someone about something and then you both immediately are relieved and start laughing because you're both expecting the other person to be super mad and come in like an asshole.
02:34:17.000But meanwhile, you both apologize and then it just goes away and then everybody feels way better.
02:37:20.000Because like, the thing is, like, you could sit in front of someone and like levitate bottles in front of them.
02:37:27.000Like, levitate a bunch of bottles, teleport across the room, come back, and then tell the person, you know, you're going to be a lot happier if you go jogging.
02:37:36.000Like, someone could do that to me, and tomorrow I'm going to wake up, and I'm like, yeah, he levitated bottles.
02:37:41.000He teleported across the room, then he told me I should go jogging.
02:37:57.000So if a person who can levitate bottles probably isn't going to make you go jogging, then certainly you're not going to be able to talk to a person and be like, hey, you know, you're going to feel better if you do this.
02:38:09.000All you can really do is look at yourself and be like, you know what?
02:39:06.000You know, I used to have a bit about that, where it was like, there'd be like 100 people standing behind him going, how long can he hold that?
02:39:27.000I'm not walking, it's a mile high of sea on one side, a mile high of the other, and you're just walking through the middle, just fucking dead fish flopping around in the middle, walls of water on either side.
02:39:48.000It's probably a, you know, it's a myth.
02:39:50.000They're using these like encoded stories to try to get across something that's a lot bigger and that isn't about really walking on water maybe.
02:40:00.000No, but I think that these, showing that the people that had all this knowledge also had magic tricks is very telling.
02:40:07.000Like, the people that everybody would follow, they were able to do things, right?
02:40:12.000Like, how about the guy who called upon a she-bear to kill these kids that were mocking him for being bald?
02:45:55.000And this is, again, man, the fucking tone in...
02:46:00.000This tribal desert religion is really harsh and patriarchal, but the message behind it is pretty similar to the Bhagavad Gita, which is this is a fucking battlefield where Krishna turns into The universal form,
02:46:16.000this is the quote, Oppenheimer's quote, behold, I have become death, the destroyer of worlds.
02:47:17.000Even if you're sitting in the goddamn ash pile covered in boils, if you just let go and surrender and drop the bitterness, Then you can, if nothing else, not suffer under the terrible weight of the resistance or feeling like a victim.
02:47:32.000That's to me what I get out of Job, you know, from the non-literal level.
02:47:35.000The literal level, it's like God's hanging out with Satan?
02:49:48.000We're on the dirt spots of this thing that's mostly water.
02:49:51.000Yeah, what we do is we take these metal boxes and we float out there and we grab whatever's living and we scoop it up with nets and Fucking bring it in.
02:50:57.000If anybody tried to propose that today with elk, someone said, we're just going to get nets and just run through the forest and gather up all the elk, and then we're going to sell it at the elk store.
02:51:41.000Yeah, because as you say, it's this kind of wilderness now where it's unregulated largely, and there's no way to look at it and see all that shit, you know?
02:52:06.000Goes around the world and does interesting research.
02:52:11.000He was in Chile, and there was a guy starting a company that created a market for those nets to encourage the fishermen to bring them back, and then he recycled that nylon, because it's a pretty high-quality nylon.
02:52:24.000So the whole idea is he's created a sustainable business selling these things made from the nylon that people know comes from the nylon.
02:53:53.000We go back to this campsite where we are, and there's like maybe 10 tents around in this campground and a central area with a fire and all that.
02:54:01.000And he's so happy because he's going to...
02:54:18.000Everyone else is sharing the other two.
02:54:20.000And I'm sitting up behind him, looking over his shoulder, and I see movement in this fish.
02:54:29.000And I'm like, hi, and we've been drinking, and it's firelight, but I'm pretty sure I see movement.
02:54:35.000And I look closer over his shoulder, and there are all these tiny little white worms at the center of the fish that hadn't been cooked out.
02:54:44.000And they're all just moving like cilia, right?
02:55:47.000Yeah, that's the worms are fucking scary shit, man.
02:55:50.000That guy that the guy who escaped North Korea They found enormous tapeworms in his body.
02:55:56.000They said his body was like I think they described it like as a toy that had been broken Like it was just broken like all over the place like legs are broken bones are broken His insides are filled with parasites.
02:56:09.000He got shot like four times or something.
02:56:31.000It's just making this run for it, and they're jumping out of the car, and they're shooting him at, like, really close distance while he's running.
02:56:35.000I mean, I didn't realize that they were that close to him.
02:56:37.000They were on the ground, like, 15, 20 feet away from him, shooting at him as he's running, as he jumped out of his car.
02:56:43.000You know what's crazy is that video of that fucking dude from North Korea in the airport getting that Poison put on him.
03:00:16.000How interesting is it that there's two completely different social media platforms that we all use, Twitter and Instagram, and one of them allows straight up porn.
03:01:07.000If you have a picture of you sitting there and you wanted to go on Instagram, you with that Hawaiian shirt on, Chris, with your hog hanging out, and you want to take a picture, just slightly pixelate your dick.
03:04:33.000Yeah, they send in beta rats and they get stuck in traps and they eat poison and they'll sit back and they'll watch and you can observe them do this.
03:08:12.000And someone there told me, and I didn't check if this is true, but just listen if it is, told me that the biomass of these ground squirrels is bigger than anything else on the ranch.
03:08:25.000Because these tiny little things, there's so fucking many of them that all the deer, all the bear, all the mountain lions, all the wild pigs, all the cattle that roam around there, all the elk, everything, every other bird, ground nesting birds, turkeys, everything, the biomass of those fucking ground squirrels was greater than all of it.
03:08:43.000And he's like, I just want you to think about that for a second.
03:13:10.000I mean, there's an extreme event happening here.
03:13:12.000One life form is exploding on another life form, and it seems like it's designed to do that.
03:13:19.000When you see a jaguar kill a caiman and grab it in the back of its neck and bite into a fucking crocodile and drag it in between its legs up the beach to eat it, You're seeing one of the most extreme things that exists in the world.
03:13:33.000You're seeing a life form consuming another life form with its face, killing it, eliminating it from this dimension with its teeth and a very specific part of its body.
03:13:43.000And it seems like it's designed to do that.
03:14:40.000Well, when the jaguar is eaten, he can walk right through the middle of the herd and they won't even run away because they know he's not hungry.
03:16:04.000The only reason why these predators can exist is because they have to be killing things all over the world.
03:16:08.000I mean, every place where there's a wolf, it means the wolf is alive because it's eating things, which means it's killing things all day long.
03:16:14.000I mean, that's not an inaccurate depiction.
03:17:21.000Harbor seals live about 25 to 30 years.
03:17:23.000I've seen a lot of seals lying around on rocks, having a good time, not stressed out.
03:17:28.000I don't see a lot of high-stress seals.
03:17:31.000And so I think it's like, okay, this seal, let's say you live 25 years.
03:17:35.000It's hanging out, eating sushi, having a good time, then boom, it's dead so quickly that we have to slow this down to 140th of normal speed so you can enjoy this death porn.
03:17:47.000That's a tiny sliver of that seal's existence.
03:17:50.000And we're depicting nature as this incredibly ruthless, horrible, bloody place.
03:18:32.000Because they operate more efficiently that way, and they're chasing down sardines and fucking them up.
03:18:37.000And that's oftentimes how you catch fish.
03:18:39.000When I was tuna fishing in Mexico, we're catching amberjack or skipjack, I forget.
03:18:46.000But you would find these pools of bait fish going crazy on the surface of the water because the tuna were all ganging up on them and jacking them.
03:18:55.000And then you got the pelicans on top attacking from the top.
03:18:58.000So you see the birds, and then you would see the frothing of the water, and then these fish would just, they would go crazy and fuck up these little bait fish.
03:19:04.000And you would literally just cast into this football field size, swirling in the ocean, and these fish would just bite it, and you would just catch them almost instantly.
03:19:13.000So that is not the whole ocean all the time, but that's still real.
03:19:22.000I agree, but the thing that I find the most fascinating, for whatever fucked up reason, is when the water buffalo comes at the lion and the lion ducks onto the water buffalo and grabs it by its neck and rolls it over the ground and crushes its neck.
03:20:24.000They think that might be when you have all these jaguar dreams, when people take ayahuasca, it might be that the jaguar is interfacing with the same dimension that you are.
03:20:34.000So that's the reason why, I mean, because we know that these jaguars do take these psychedelic plants, and we know that these psychedelic plants, when they were first discovered, they were trying to call, harmine is the chemical, but they were trying to call it telepathine,
03:20:50.000because they didn't know it was the same as harmine.
03:20:53.000They had to run tests on it and find out that it was already an established molecule, there was an already established compound.
03:21:01.000So the reason why they called it telepathine was because people were experiencing group states of consciousness while they were taking this stuff.
03:21:08.000So they're thinking that these people that do ayahuasca and have these trips with jaguars, they literally might be interacting with jaguars who are also tripping.
03:21:20.000See, this thing is just eating these leaves and lying down on its back, clearly in an altered state.
03:21:26.000Just rolling around on its back with its paws up in the air, staring at things that aren't there.
03:21:32.000It's like in Brooklyn right now with a bunch of fucking people on ayahuasca and just like hanging out some loft in Brooklyn with some fucking glassblowers, a couple of accountants.
03:21:44.000Look at its eyes dilate, its minds going back and forth.
03:22:10.000Like, you might be cool if you use those terms all the time, or you might be one of those fucking weirdos.
03:22:15.000You know, there's a bunch of people that are into the psychedelic world that they, you know, they would have been into the Moonies if the Moonies found them, right?
03:22:23.000There are lots of different plants that they use, though.
03:23:07.000I just, honestly, the reason I don't like the term plant medicine is because I think it, and forgive me out there, you guys.
03:23:15.000But I feel like it in some small way diminishes all the other reasons I want to take this fucking plant.
03:23:21.000Like when I'm like, you know, and this is such a degraded thing to say, so I'm sorry, but remember when you used to be sponsored by fleshlights?
03:23:33.000But you aren't thinking, as you're fucking the fleshlight for the pure hedonic joy of experiencing an orgasm with this weird, dumb thing, this tube, you're not thinking to yourself, I'm giving myself medicine now.
03:23:47.000You're thinking, this is euphoria, I want to cum.
03:23:51.000In the same way with some of these substances, that's hedonism.
03:23:54.000I'm never getting high with you again, man.
03:25:34.000I agree with you there, but I think that a lot of people are not necessarily taking ayahuasca because they want something more out of their life.
03:26:34.000Though all those things I just mentioned you could call a medicine.
03:26:37.000Maybe there's an expansion of healing, too, that goes beyond the physical and into the psychological and emotional and spiritual, you know, which makes me sound like a hippie.
03:27:06.000Psychedelics is definitely a better word for it.
03:27:08.000It's a better term, but what is happening when you're closing your eyes when you're doing DMT? It's entirely likely that we don't know and that you might be actually interfacing with some other place, but you're seeing things that seem like they must be hallucinations.
03:27:26.000Seems like something is interacting with your visual perception abilities where your eyes are seeing things that are impossible.
03:27:33.000Now is that because you're actually there?
03:27:35.000You actually are experiencing these impossible things?
03:27:37.000Or is it a trick that's happening with chemicals in your eyeballs and your brain and neurochemistry?
03:27:44.000That's a question to be answered by people far smarter than us.
03:27:47.000And what is the difference between those two things?
03:27:49.000To what extent is your experience your reality?
03:27:53.000Yeah, that's the real question, right?
03:27:54.000We want to think that if you can't weigh something on a scale, if I can't bang on it with a hammer, if I can't draw on it with a marker, then it's not a real thing.
03:28:03.000I've always said this, if you had an experience with God, where you literally were transported into heaven, and you had a communication with God, and then God gave you love and wisdom, and then you came back down to earth, into your body, and you This actually did happen.
03:28:18.000Or you took a drug and the exact same experience took place in every way, shape, and form.
03:28:25.000The exact amount of time, the exact feeling, the exact message, the exact visuals, the exact re-examining of your life when you return.
03:28:36.000I mean, unless you could get God in one of them tuna nets and bring him back there so I could prove that you had God and that you weren't just tripping your fucking balls off.
03:28:45.000You're basically telling me a story, bro.
03:28:51.000I'm sure that there's like a lot of scientific materialists hearing that and they're like, they're assholes.
03:28:56.000They're like squeezing into their body just in horror, what you're saying, because it's like, they're like, well, the difference is like when you have a dream.
03:29:06.000And you have this incredible dream where a unicorn comes out of a clearing in the forest, and a rainbow shoots out of its horn, and then it turns into a swarm of fireflies that spell I love you.
03:29:17.000Well, that's a really cool dream, but that's not real.
03:29:22.000That didn't happen, and it's completely different than if you went into a clearing and saw a fucking unicorn.
03:29:30.000Because if you can go in a clearing and see a fucking unicorn, Tell me where the clearing is.
03:29:36.000Well, here's the thing about mushrooms, right?
03:29:40.000Mushrooms, stop and think about the people that wrote the Bible.
03:29:43.000Stop and think about the people that have discovered mushrooms a long time ago by trial and error or whatever the method was.
03:29:48.000And imagine everybody deciding to get together in some field somewhere.
03:29:52.000And you all take these mushrooms and you all literally go to heaven.
03:29:56.000And you have this insane experience and then you all come back and then you have to write about it in your ancient tongue.
03:30:02.000You have to write this down in Aramaic on animal skins.
03:30:07.000You roll these up and put them in clay jars in the caves of Qumran so that someone someday will know this and understand what you've been through.
03:30:15.000Well, when the drought came, the mushrooms went away and we were left with nothing but stories.
03:30:22.000The craziest thing about psychedelics, especially the natural ones that don't kill anybody, is that somehow or another somebody wound up bribing enough people and putting enough disinformation out that one of the most valuable things ever for human exploration ever, as far as the exploration of our mind,
03:30:39.000One of the most valuable things that's ever existed for changing the way you view the world, giving you a reset, and doesn't kill anybody, it's illegal.
03:30:51.000It's illegal in societies that are oriented in a way that that would be corrosive.
03:31:11.000I think in Sweden they made a misdemeanor to, I can't remember, it's like somewhere recently they just made it a misdemeanor to get caught with acid.
03:31:21.000You know, mushrooms are on the books for the 2018 elections for California.
03:31:37.000If we organize and we got a bunch of people to vote yes on recreational use of mushrooms for adults, I literally think we could change the world.
03:31:48.000It could change the world, because like medical marijuana, it will spread to recreational marijuana, if recreational mushrooms get passed, and if they do medical mushrooms get passed, then they can start doing tests on mushrooms, like the John Hopkins psilocybin studies that they've done.
03:32:01.000You would see literally a change in the world.
03:32:03.000You would see a shift in global consciousness, and that's not a ridiculous thing to say.
03:32:33.000William Leonard Picard, that dude who got busted with all that acid who's in jail now for like multiple life sentences, like when they busted him.
03:32:42.000He's the guy who was like the missile silo.
03:33:16.000It's talking about sort of the life of a...
03:33:19.000The setup is a guy is going to talk to an LSD chemist who is sort of explaining what it's like to have to be as secret as you have to be if you're manufacturing.
03:33:32.000What he calls planetary doses of LSD, which is what they want.
03:33:38.000That was the idea is like, let's manufacture planetary doses of this substance to upshift the consciousness of the planet.
03:33:46.000And one of the things he says, it's all very flowery and beautiful, but he's talking about the LSD chemists and people being like, this is a for profit thing.
03:33:53.000And he's saying, no, you know, for us, money is just the ability to move around because when you're an LSD chemist, and again, it's all very flowery writing, but he says something along the lines of when you're standing next to the forge of the gods, you stop thinking about money as meaning anything because you're breathing in the fumes.
03:34:12.000You're like constantly in contact with this like mind expanding substance.
03:34:17.000And good luck when you're mid, you know, 200 microgram trip.
03:34:22.000Good luck taking money seriously in that moment.
03:34:35.000I don't know if there is, but there are people who are manufacturing psychedelics and putting their entire lives at risk Not because they want to make money, and it could be maybe they started off wanting to make money, but now they're manufacturing it because they know of all the ways to shift human consciousness.
03:34:52.000There's lots of ways theoretically to do it, you know?
03:34:55.000Can you imagine being the person who's responsible for literally like a swimming pool filled with acid that you know will change the world?
03:35:02.000Like you know, like right in front of you, if you could get this, there would be such a hiccup and shift of culture.
03:35:09.000I mean, I don't know which way it would go.
03:35:22.000Yeah, that's what they think happened with the Salem witch trials.
03:35:25.000That literally, the ergot and the rye, because of an early frost, some new fungus had grown on some of the bread, and they were able to run tests on it, and they believed that it has LSD-like property to it.
03:35:38.000I mean, that's certainly one of the potential ways to upshift consciousness, getting people having access to psychedelics in a consensual way.
03:35:51.000You know, like when you're fucking chomping polluted wheat and suddenly you think your neighbor's a fucking Satan.
03:35:59.000That's different than, like, deciding to take a psychedelic in a responsible way and then understanding a little bit more about how to be compassionate or something like that, you know?
03:36:09.000Or just seeing yourself for the first time.
03:36:12.000I mean, do you remember seeing yourself?
03:36:13.000The first time I took mushrooms, I saw myself, and I was like, oh.
03:38:45.000I essentially just gave an old man 900 micrograms of fucking acid in the hills of India and he's going to go fucking nuts and it's going to be my fault.
03:39:51.000I think that we're entirely imprisoned by a wall of ideas and of behavior and of momentum and of culture and of conditioning and the way we look at the world is like these pre-programmed trunks.
03:40:06.000I don't think necessarily we see it from what it really completely is, which is some very strange temporary life That no one has really defined the meaning of.
03:40:19.000We're in infinity, hurling through space, surrounding a giant nuclear explosion, rocketing through the universe, and all of it trying to make sense of it all.
03:40:29.000And in between there, you've got cops killing people in hallways.
03:40:35.000You've got every single possible variation from furries to people that it's their job to ticket street vendors who don't have the right...
03:40:45.000The whole thing is, this entire thing that we're experiencing is really psychedelic.
03:40:51.000If you weren't living life, and if life made way more sense, if the world that we're normally accustomed to is much more controlled and two-dimensional, Yeah.
03:41:37.000It's just a psychedelic experience that we've grown deeply accustomed to.
03:41:42.000And I think the psychedelic experience that you have when you're on a heavy duty thing like a DMT... It's like you venture forth into a dimension that you don't have context for, but you feel familiar.
03:41:53.000You feel familiar with it, but you don't have context for it.
03:41:56.000It doesn't fit into your normal patterns.
03:41:58.000But the normal patterns are just as bizarre, man.
03:42:03.000Liquid out of these clear plastic things that are made out of oil that somehow they figured out to turn into a clear plastic.
03:42:11.000And we fill it up with liquids and you drink them and you chuck these things in.
03:42:14.000If you follow the path of this plastic bottle, it might eventually wind up in some seagull's gut choking it to death in the middle of the ocean, you know?
03:42:56.000This is something that occurred to me when I was super high recently.
03:42:59.000I was sitting in this fucking apartment.
03:43:02.000And then suddenly it dawned on me like, wait a minute, how many other people are gonna fucking live here?
03:43:07.000And then I'm thinking like, wait, how many people have lived here?
03:43:10.000And then I'm thinking, how many conversations have happened in this fucking apartment where everybody thought these were really serious conversations?
03:43:16.000Like, oh yeah, we're really getting into it, man!
03:43:18.000And then you realize, oh my god, I'm just a little eddy of air spinning around in this fucking apartment.
03:43:24.000I'm gonna leave and there's gonna be other little eddies of air that spin around in this apartment.
03:43:29.000The apartment's gonna be around way longer than any of those other eddies of air.
03:43:33.000Really, just to add to what you're saying, the glorious nature of the universe versus our ability to comprehend it is that we are so fucking impermanent.
03:44:36.000But younger people can't imagine what it was like to travel before there was email.
03:44:41.000Yeah, so you were like 40 when the first iPhone came out, right?
03:44:44.000I was born in 62. So the whole thing is, it's hard to imagine it being any different than it is.
03:44:53.000But if you really just think of what it is, just the discussions that we've had here today about what the potential issues could be with AI, with advancing technology that has not been mapped out.
03:45:05.000It's not going to be regulated as far as how far innovation is allowed to continue.
03:45:10.000They're going to be so far ahead of the people that understand the regulations.
03:45:14.000Things are going to be coming out, like the Internet itself.
03:45:17.000The Internet came out itself before they really understood what the implications were.
03:45:20.000I mean, if the government could go back in time and pull the fucking, hey, hey, hey, pop, let's talk about this first.
03:45:26.000Pull that plug right out of the wall before the internet went on AOL. Let's just talk about what we're going to do with this, and let's manage this, because let me show you what it could be.
03:45:36.000And then you see, 25 years later, people holding on their phones, walking into traffic, and getting hit by cars, because they're so addicted to checking their Facebook feed.
03:46:27.000But very quickly, though, the thing you're talking about, the concept of a drug that makes you stare at your hands...
03:46:37.000I think our thoughts at one point, like the ability to think the way we do, was a new technology that started emerging.
03:46:45.000And so like when you're caught up in your thoughts, What's the difference between that and looking at your fucking cell phone?
03:46:51.000Like when you get obsessed with your thoughts and like, because I've noticed like whenever I get really caught up in a flurry of thoughts and I allow myself to really get lost in the thing you're talking about, the simulation, the projection into the future.
03:47:03.000You're 17 fights ahead with this person because they said this thing that they're never going to say.
03:47:08.000I think that's a form of looking at your cell phone.
03:47:11.000Only it's the internal simulator inside the neuro computer that your brain is.
03:47:16.000But I don't think it's too much different.
03:47:18.000I think both of these things are just different attempts to try to evade the present moment because the present moment is so overwhelmingly, heartbreakingly beautiful that we'd rather have our faces buried in our phones or in our thoughts.
03:48:07.000When you're walking down fucking Santa Monica Boulevard, and there's people honking their horn, and different music is playing in different cars, and there's smells that aren't natural, and there's so much data coming your way.