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00:01:12.000I guess I just, you know, and it's interesting that this happened after this weekend was the Women's March, and I know, like, a lot of people want to roll their eyes, and I was getting a lot of shit on Instagram for, like, the Women's March.
00:01:21.000This is exactly the kind of thing that I'm terrified of, is that this guy is now not in jail, and he's just, like, back to doing stand-up.
00:01:42.000And I think that he has enough fans- And enough people in his community still love him, where he can go places, and small places, and they accept him, and then he's advertising it.
00:01:58.000Is that the people that accept him with this, is it people who have their own skeletons in the closet, and they see him coming back as like, they get redemption in some way, or maybe it makes them not be incorrigible people, or is it like a herd mentality, or is it just star-fucking?
00:02:12.000Like, how do you rationalize that in your head?
00:02:13.000A little bit of star-fucking, a little bit of dumb people.
00:02:16.000The fact that he's famous eclipses the fact that he's a psychopathic.
00:04:17.000We just know that he was there and we know that he's going to do another show and he announced that he was going to do some show at a jazz club.
00:05:12.000Because I was posting photos from the Women's March.
00:05:15.000Which was the march was about a lot of things.
00:05:17.000And I think just in the last month or so, there's been a little bit of eye roll of like, oh, this is still going on.
00:05:24.000You know, like, there's a lot of I think, guys and women also who are a little bit exhausted.
00:05:28.000Or I had one guy I talked to a couple weeks ago, a friend of mine who was like, I'm done with this.
00:05:35.000What do you mean you're done with this?
00:05:37.000You're done with sexual predators getting in trouble and getting fired and getting cleansed from our society and possibly stopping from assaulting people in the future.
00:05:51.000And they were just like, I feel like this has gotten ridiculous.
00:05:54.000I think a lot of people think it's like a hysteria or it's like women being dramatic or something like that.
00:06:45.000I'm not being like, awesome, Bill Cosby's here.
00:06:48.000So maybe I should give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that they think they're seeing some kind of circus show.
00:06:52.000Well, I don't think I would say anything.
00:06:55.000I don't think, I mean, I don't think it helps.
00:06:57.000Like, I don't think I would yell out, you're a fucking racist!
00:06:59.000I don't think I would do that, but I definitely think I would sit there and watch and study him like some weird fucking creature, which is what he is.
00:11:13.000You know, like who was going to let, you know, and it's also it's like the kind of thing where we didn't even know what we were allowed to say.
00:11:19.000And we didn't even know that there was a possibility for change.
00:13:35.000I remember I worked on a talk show, a late night talk show, and a guy came up to me in front of a couple of the writers and he took his hand and put it between my butt cheeks and just swiped and he was like, it's like a credit card machine!
00:14:42.000You wanted to say something about a porn, but you weren't sure if you could talk about it because you were worried that you bringing up a porn would somehow or another be sexually harassing.
00:14:54.000And I had to say, like, hey, that doesn't work.
00:15:14.000You know, I've been coming back to the comedy store a lot and I hadn't been there in the last like six months.
00:15:17.000I've been working on something and I noticed when I used to go to the comedy store, I used to feel like praying or any comedy club.
00:15:22.000It was like, you know, people would hug you too long and, you know, you were just waiting to kind of like have something inappropriate happen.
00:16:07.000You don't have to have skeletons in your closet.
00:16:09.000You can just have a bad relationship where someone's mad at you.
00:16:12.000Like this Aziz Ansari thing is very bizarre.
00:16:14.000Like this seems like he went on a bad date and they took turns eating each other out and blowing each other and then she didn't like it and she said that there was like, I don't know what the fuck happened because I wasn't there, but there's a lot of people that are picking sides on this.
00:16:29.000And I'm not accusing or supporting either side because I don't think there's enough information yet.
00:16:34.000And it all seems very like he had one experience, she had one experience.
00:16:37.000And if they're both telling the truth, you know, who fucking knows?
00:16:40.000But here's what I'll say just about my experience in my 20s as a woman is I was not fully formed yet at 22 years old.
00:16:50.000I had literally no sex I wanted to have in my 20s.
00:16:53.000Well, we understand that now, that the frontal lobe is not really fully formed in human beings until you're 25. So, hey guys, in your 30s and 40s, stop dating 20-year-olds.
00:17:04.000And I think that a really big part of the conversation that, for me, a blind spot is sexual abuse victims.
00:17:12.000So, the statistics are a little foggy, but one out of six women are sexually assaulted as children, and those are only the people that come forward.
00:18:00.000I think that some guys have this idea that us being sexually harassed is like It's fun for us and we want to come forward and there's some glory in it.
00:19:00.000And one of the trauma responses of if you've been sexually assaulted as a child is that when a man moves towards you or you have any kind of sexual...
00:22:06.000Lose the trigger and like lose this reoccurring...
00:22:10.000That sounds like a way more fun way to do it because EMDR is like you sort of have to relive the memory and then other shit gets unearthed and things start clicking into focus.
00:22:19.000Well, the reason why they call it ecstasy is because that's literally what you feel.
00:23:06.000I had another friend recommend that and I'd be down because it's also like, you know, and something else I'll say, not to speak for all women, like I'm not the face of all women, but like with this administration, if you're a sexual trauma survivor, seeing this fucking guy on the news every day can be really triggering.
00:23:22.000Do you see his post about the Women's March?
00:23:33.000Seeing a sexual predator or someone I deem to be a sexual predator with all the women that have come forward in the news every day is activating my trauma response of...
00:24:02.000And I was, do you remember, I think it was, I don't know, was the primaries or it was like when Ben Carson was still in the mix and they were all lined up.
00:24:10.000And I remember seeing, and this was when we all thought it was like a joke.
00:24:51.000He's on some sort of amphetamines, apparently, according to several sources.
00:24:55.000One of them that tracked his prescription from Dwayne Reed Pharmacy in New York from a few years back, that he was on this one type of amphetamine for like eight years.
00:25:06.000Do you have to take drug tests if you're the president?
00:26:54.000Rumors of Trump's predilection, I love that word, predilection for stimulants first started really popping up in 1992 in Spy Magazine Road.
00:27:03.000You ever wonder why Donald Trump has acted so erratically at times full of energy, of manic energy, paranoia, and wow, what is that word?
00:27:17.000Well, he was a patient of Dr. Joseph Greenberg's from 1982 to 1985. At the time, Dr. Greenberg was notorious for allegedly dolling out prescription stimulants to anyone who would pay.
00:27:42.000Fentermine first gained notoriety in the U.S. under the name Fenfen, a miracle combination of fentermine and fenfluramine, another established anti-obesity drug.
00:29:05.000All around his eyes, like a raccoon, they're white.
00:29:07.000Okay, it's characterized by the development of an ulcer, usually genital, a few weeks and a few months after sexual contact with the infected person.
00:30:43.000It was interesting, the doctor that examined him, examined him and said that he probably, if he had a good diet, he'd live to be like 200 years old.
00:32:24.000Like, do you, are there certain boxes you have to check?
00:32:27.000But what I'm getting out of this is it's Sanjay Gupta, who is an unconnected third party, who's unbiased.
00:32:34.000Is going basically just off of these coronary calcium CT scans.
00:32:39.000And what he's showing is the difference between how it was in 2009, which was 34, 2013, which is 98, and then 2018, which is 133. So you're saying it's increased, basically doubled every couple years.
00:33:34.000There's a video that was on go to The typical liberal Instagram page, there's a video of him saying, no one is better at blank than him, and it's like a video that was actually put together by people to mock him,
00:33:51.000but the Trump supporters actually love it.
00:33:54.000Yeah, play this, because 24 things nobody is better at than Trump.
00:36:07.000And that's, I think, a fair flaw with what's happening with this, you know, women's, you know, movement conversation is right now the people getting the most visibility are fucking millionaires.
00:36:17.000You know, that's sort of, for the most part, who's speaking up right now.
00:36:20.000And like, you know, that's what Time's Up is for, to enfranchise people who don't have the kind of resources to just be like, you know what?
00:37:15.000So he promised kind of jobs that I think the pipeline and shit like that.
00:37:19.000So I think that, you know, and they just watch Fox News and they believe everything that's when they think like liberal news is a lie, you know?
00:37:26.000So I think it's like the kind of jobs that they promised.
00:37:28.000And I know and I think that you're exactly right.
00:37:30.000It's like their whole thing is unemployment going up is what helps women because more women can get jobs.
00:37:35.000But isn't it a case where when you see unemployment and how more people are doing better than before and the economy is doing better than it's ever been before, isn't this like a natural cycle?
00:37:47.000Wasn't it already charting in that direction when Obama was leaving office?
00:37:50.000I was going to say, I think it's the president that's like four years prior that usually is what caused it.
00:37:54.000Because you can't just become president and all of a sudden there's more jobs.
00:37:57.000It's something that has to start a little bit earlier.
00:38:33.000There was some story about how the tax break that we got here because of Trump that people got, that California was going to somehow or another impart Some sort of a 10% surcharge to counterbalance that.
00:39:03.000I feel like if there's one thing that we need to concentrate on in this country, It's people that are disenfranchised and live in poor communities that don't feel like there's any hope.
00:39:10.000And then setting up community centers, setting up some education programs, setting up safe places where kids can go and they don't have to worry about gang violence and shit.
00:39:19.000And just making it safer for people and giving them more opportunities to possibly get out of that fucking horrible cycle of unemployment and fucking welfare and crime that so many people are stuck in.
00:39:33.000And when I think about that, I'm like, oh, you know, and this is just my point of view because of what I come from, and maybe it's being a woman, a female brain, whatever.
00:39:40.000But, like, when I hear that, I'm like, the thing that perpetuates that cycle is having kids too soon and having a lack of access to birth control and education.
00:39:47.000And this administration is a huge threat to that, an enemy to that.
00:41:55.000I think there's a weird instinct that we need to address outside of ideology, outside of political lines that you cross.
00:42:04.000There's a weird instinct that people have to try to control people.
00:42:07.000It's just a fear-based thing or it's a habit.
00:42:10.000I just think it's a thing that people do.
00:42:11.000They don't have much control of themselves and they want to control their people.
00:42:15.000And I think this is where bullying comes from and I think this is where a lot of what sexual harassment and just the entitlement The way bosses behave when they're employed, like this is one of the things about Harvey Weinstein that I found fascinating, is that he would bark at his employees and they would run and they were terrified.
00:42:33.000I used to date a girl when I first came to L.A. Wonderful woman.
00:43:44.000And it's about all the shit because I'm obsessed with figuring out and you're so good at delineating what's nature and what's nurture, what's a choice and what's not, what's biologically, neurologically driven and what's socially constructed.
00:44:09.000So all of a sudden you're in 2016 and a man's yelling at you and it's like, Flashback to 1850 when one of your ancestors was being fucking murdered by a guy.
00:44:18.000We just don't think about that kind of stuff.
00:44:20.000But what I meant to say is, we used to have this storyline that was about sexual harassment.
00:44:37.000When you mean by consensus, what do you mean?
00:44:38.000In terms of like, if you guys are arguing about something, I mean, we're on a show that kind of encourages, you know, healthy discourse.
00:44:45.000And I know you guys a little bit and I feel safe here.
00:44:47.000But in general, in a work environment, I'm going to try to get everyone to agree because 2000 years ago, getting everyone to agree made my life safer.
00:44:55.000If I'm eight months pregnant, I need protection from the whole tribe and I want everyone to agree.
00:44:59.000I'm going to pretend I agree with things that maybe I actually don't.
00:45:50.000In my reptile brain, just in my conscious brain, I'm sort of like, okay, it's less likely that this is going to happen because we all have this illusion of being civilized, you know?
00:46:15.000I know he's not going to do anything to me.
00:46:16.000But exactly what you're saying to me right now is what I'm trying to explain to people that are like, I don't understand the fucking women's movement.
00:46:21.000Why are you guys freaking out in the office?
00:46:22.000It's not like we're talking to those people.
00:46:24.000It's like, what are we going to rape you?
00:46:39.000And there's a bunch of men that are annoyed that people are talking too much about women.
00:46:44.000And there's a bunch of women that are saying, now it's my time to be a fucking crazy bitch and go crazy and attack all these men and take that.
00:48:08.000And then do you think, and I'm always, and I don't know the answer to this, do you think, because I think porn definitely affects our psyche and how we view, dehumanize women, just, right?
00:48:42.000Of an effect it has on a 20-year-old brain, whether it has a 5% effect over your parenting and what your life experiences have been, all the various different variables that come into your psyche, like what makes you a human being.
00:51:15.000And here's something, sorry, I just wanted to go back to that Vogue woman for a second, or whoever that was, because it's like, I think what I'm trying to do is understand, like, when a man acts in a way that's violent or whatever, I'm like, what's the root of that?
00:51:33.000If a guy feels the need to rape a woman, someone failed him, or he's a sociopath and just should be locked up or is mentally ill, but he saw it from his dad, he learned it, hurt people hurt people.
00:51:43.000So it's like, when a woman says, like, all men should, I don't care if they're, I'm like, what happened to her that made her think that that's her paradigm?
00:51:51.000She probably met a bunch of fucking assholes.
00:52:05.000And I guess I'm just trying to start a conversation that's like, let's explore what happened back then and how do we sort of stop that shit from going on?
00:52:12.000Whether it's like sexual abuse, physical abuse, whether it's like the messages we get growing up of like, and I don't know how you parent your kids, but the idea of like, all I heard growing up was calm down, relax, it's fine, be seen.
00:53:08.000Like, if my two daughters want to go see a movie and one of them wins and the other one starts throwing a temper tantrum, you gotta go look.
00:53:24.000Have a chance to Explain to her that these feelings are natural.
00:53:28.000Yeah, you're gonna win some you're gonna lose some but you can't hold on to that You got to let it go and realize oh, we're still gonna go to go to see a fun movie, right?
00:53:36.000It's gonna be that right and you know for whatever reason we made a decision sure We try to be as fair as possible, but you can't have fucking temper tantrums over all the time Oh, we're going to the wrong restaurant Kids do that.
00:54:43.000But then I found things to occupy my time.
00:54:46.000So that literally became like those obsessions that I developed when I was young with various things, whether it was art or martial arts or whatever.
00:54:54.000Those things became my vehicles for developing my human potential.
00:54:58.000Do you think you got a lot of eye contact as a kid?
00:55:02.000I never thought about that until just now.
00:56:58.000It's very time-consuming to rewire your brain around it.
00:57:00.000But when I first meet someone, it's like a chameleon response where it's like when you grow up in an alcoholic home or if you have codependence, the first thing you do is you meet someone and you kind of try to figure out what they want and then you morph to become what makes them comfortable.
00:57:15.000So I still have to fight that response sometimes, especially with men.
00:57:19.000Especially with men and then with women.
00:59:28.000I lost my dad last year and I started getting too sad.
00:59:36.000I couldn't close my eyes for 20 minutes, so I've stopped for the past six months, but I'm trying because I need to build those neural pathways.
01:00:04.000I'm fucking, I am sometimes, I think in the last, yeah, I agree.
01:00:11.000I'm trying to answer in a way that makes you seem wrong, but I realize you're pretty right.
01:00:16.000And I think that also in the last couple of years that we've gotten to know each other, I haven't been doing as much stand-up.
01:00:22.000And when I don't do stand-up, I get a little manic.
01:00:25.000I think that stand-up serves a really important release and catharsis purpose where I'm much more calm when I'm not performing when I do stand-up regularly.
01:01:26.000So it's like during the day I'm just very dysregulated.
01:01:29.000And doing stand-up is just, I don't know, I just feel very like, I know where everybody's place is.
01:01:34.000And I feel safe for that amount of time.
01:01:36.000Do you get calmed down by working out?
01:01:39.000A little bit because my motive for working out is so fucked up.
01:01:44.000It's not like to, you know, I'm working more on like working out to get strong and to get healthy.
01:01:49.000But for the longest time, it was like to get skinny and to look fuckable, you know, so working out was like, I was kind of hate fucking it.
01:01:55.000I wasn't like doing it because I enjoyed it or wanted to be doing it.
01:01:58.000So I'm trying to sort of find a new motive.
01:02:04.000I get bored, and I used to work with a trainer, and I stopped, and so I just started doing it myself, like lifting, and I just want to have a big butt.
01:03:40.000Let me tell you folks, if you're watching it now, because I've talked a lot of people into watching it, when you get to like episode six of season one, don't panic.
01:08:38.000Oh, but you can raise, because it's like, you know, I go to work with this place, Wolf Connection, and essentially it's like, I'm always like, well, which one's the most wolf?
01:08:46.000Which one has the highest content of wolf in it?
01:08:48.000Like, with their blood, and they're like, it doesn't really matter.
01:08:50.000It's back to the nature-nurture thing.
01:08:52.000It's that there are some wolves that were raised by dogs that have more dog-like qualities, and some dogs that are raised like wolves that have more wolf-like qualities.
01:08:58.000It's like the nature and nurture thing.
01:09:03.000Rolling in feces, they're really common, possibly a dog's ancient instinct to mask his scent, which then enable an animal to sneak up on their prey without detection.
01:09:11.000Oh, I guess dogs do it with other dog poop as well.
01:09:16.000But my dog doesn't roll in my other dog's shit, only coyote's shit.
01:11:49.000Any guy, well, there are, I know guys that have been victimized by women at work.
01:11:53.000There was a guy, TJ, remember the amazing atheist was telling the story about the woman that he worked with was always grabbing his ass and making him uncomfortable and she was like his boss.
01:12:01.000He was, you know, real socially awkward and in this fucked up situation.
01:12:52.000There was a thread on my Twitter that I wasn't even involved with where these trans people and these lesbians were going at it back and forth.
01:13:00.000And it was fascinating because lesbians are one of the few groups that don't feel intimidated to talk shit to trans people.
01:13:31.000No, the violence between women, women on women violence in relationships, domestic violence, the statistics were skewed because a lot of it is trans women that were attacking women that they were in relationships with.
01:13:46.000Because these women that are trans women...
01:13:48.000They have the same behavior that men have, which is this inclination towards domestic violence.
01:13:53.000And so they were saying, and she was citing statistics about how many of these women that were the victimizers, they would not specify their gender at birth.
01:14:06.000They were talking about their current gender, which is like a weird thing now.
01:14:10.000You could get arrested if you're a trans woman for beating up a woman, and they will say, okay, you're a woman.
01:14:26.000Because one of these lesbians that started this with these trans women was very educated about these statistics and was attacking these trans women.
01:14:34.000And she was saying, essentially, like, don't go around and say, because you've been a woman for a fucking year and a half, that you understand the struggle.
01:19:33.000But I feel like that it had to get this bad for people to be like, you know what, we're not going to hire these people because it has to be like a bottom line issue.
01:19:39.000They're like, I'm not going to hire a rapist because it's too expensive.
01:19:41.000Have you ever seen the Gore Vidal-William F. Buckley documentary?
01:23:22.000And do you know- Why did it turn into a gay slur?
01:23:25.000This would piss me off on Louis C.K.'s show.
01:23:27.000They used this- Urban myth that what it meant was that a bundle of sticks was a faggot and so a gay man was a faggot because they were a bundle of sticks and you would burn them in a fire.
01:24:10.000That's the absolute origins of that term.
01:24:13.000So when people say, like, there was a gay guy on Louis C.K.'s show that was saying that, and it was him and Nick DiPaolo and Louis were all playing cards together, and someone said some faggot, and you realize why that's so offensive?
01:24:25.000It's because, you know, they used to burn people.
01:24:28.000There's no fucking history of gay people being burned like witches.
01:24:31.000By the way, even the Salem witch trials, they didn't burn witches.
01:24:55.000There was a late frost, and this has been proven by core samples of the ground.
01:25:00.000They had a late frost, and when you have a late frost on wheat, one of the things that happens is bacterial growth on the wheat, essentially ergot is very similar to lysergic acid, very similar to LSD. Cows were dying and shit,
01:25:47.000But I think given the situation when men are in a position of power, which they almost always were back then, And then something's happening to them.
01:25:55.000They would go for the weakest thing, which is probably a woman or a single woman or a woman is weird in any way.
01:28:10.000It's a natural inclination that people have.
01:28:13.000But it's also at the same time, like, you know, I think a lot of guys I've heard be like, well, you guys hate all men and you think all men are assholes.
01:28:19.000It's like, for me, it's actually the opposite.
01:28:20.000I know a lot of really amazing men that have self-control and restraint that I'm comparing the shitheads to.
01:28:26.000Those guys that say that, though, just...
01:29:38.000They pretend they like you and then eventually they turn on you and they get their lawyers and they take your money and And then I go, what's going on with you that you keep gravitating that woman?
01:31:53.000Maybe things are going to change in terms of maybe we'll look back in 40 years and be like, remember when 40-year-olds just used to date broke 20-year-olds?
01:33:40.000You will just start to understand the consequences of dating the person that we are sort of primally attracted to and just go like, I know what that is.
01:33:47.000That's what I want, but I can't have everything I want because I'm a fucking human adult.
01:33:51.000I think there's also a real this the way human beings react the way we even think and the way what we think is acceptable and isn't acceptable changes with the culture and I think like it's one of the problems with going back to like 1960 and being upset at some of the ways people behaved because I think man that is the way people behaved back then we know better now but to get mad at a man who behaved a certain way no I'm not talking about like drugging and raping and stuff like that Yeah,
01:34:36.000And also, I think one of the things that's going on, this is one of the things that's empowered the women's movement and empowered a lot of other movements, is access to information.
01:34:43.000It's radical, it's happening so fast, and it's inundating us, and we have to catch up to it.
01:34:48.000It's like it's happening so goddamn quickly that we're just trying, okay, what is okay now?
01:35:23.000But he was kind of, like, bumbling, you know, like, silly, hapless.
01:35:27.000I didn't watch the show, so what was the difference?
01:35:28.000It was, I think, the purse episode where a girl shows up to sell purses and he just, like, makes a big to-do, just like, you can have the conference room, and guess what?
01:35:48.000And I think that, like, I mean, what I know about the English version, I don't know what the intention was for the American version.
01:35:52.000The idea was to make him kind of polarizing and make it makes you uncomfortable.
01:35:56.000And he, you know, it's crazy that it wasn't that long ago.
01:36:00.000Yeah, it was like, but it's like, you know, it's like, you know, it's interesting because so much of this is is.
01:36:06.000It's because it's so intangible it's hard to explain and I think this is why a lot of guys are getting annoyed because when you get granular about it it makes us seem like we're just being crazy because so it's like you hug me at the comedy store and it feels different than when let's call him Joe Blow hugs me there's just something creepy about Joe Blow and there's something not creepy about you and I can't explain it and I can't tell you why and I sound crazy and manic and histrionic.
01:36:30.000No that doesn't sound because that's the same way with gay guys there's certain gay guys that hug me where it's creepy There's certain gay guys that hug me.
01:36:36.000I don't want to out anybody, but there's certain guys that hug me.
01:36:53.000And I think that that's what, like, females are kind of trying to sort of say with the more granular stuff and with the Aziz story and stuff.
01:37:00.000It's like, I know it sounds like I'm being crazy, but I promise there's something fucking creepy about it.
01:37:04.000And I know that I don't have proof and I don't have photo evidence, but I'm, I, but, and the more I talk about it, the crazier I sound.
01:37:10.000But I think that that is just making me, the Steve Kroll thing is making me think.
01:37:14.000It's like a hug that lasts a little too long.
01:37:36.000Somebody described it as revenge porn.
01:37:39.000Yeah, it's our version of revenge porn.
01:37:43.000This is not these are not comparable crimes to like what we've been discussing.
01:37:48.000And I don't know if and I can't speak to saying who's guilty and all that sort of information, but I don't think that that this person is coming forward equating it to rape.
01:37:59.000I think women know that there's different echelons.
01:38:07.000But, like, I do know in my 20s, I'm not saying Aziz is guilty again, I don't know, but in my 20s I had a lot of sex that I felt I was coerced into that was transactional sex that I didn't want to have, you know, and this is something we talk about in the Female Brain movie, is that men are less able to read emotional cues on faces than women are.
01:39:00.000Yeah, and you go on a double date, and you have to fucking talk to the guy, and he's asking you a million questions about hunting, and you're like, just listen to my podcast, why do I have to fucking do this for free?
01:39:08.000And then your wife is talking to the other girl, and you think it's going well, and the girl gets the car, and you're like, that went well, and you're like, she was such a bitch, I couldn't fucking stand her.
01:39:16.000And you're like, it seemed like you guys got along great.
01:39:47.000A lot of guys can't understand that there's a discrepancy between what I'm saying and how I'm saying it.
01:39:52.000And it's like about just reading like how muscles move on human faces.
01:39:55.000So it's like you can look up sort of the difference.
01:39:58.000And, you know, so I'm not defending men in that area.
01:40:01.000I think that that an interesting conversation that might come up at some point is people who have autism are really going to be fucked in all of this.
01:40:07.000People who can't pick up on social cues because so much of this is nonverbal.
01:40:11.000I fear that we're going to get to a place where we're going to have to, like, sign contracts and shit before we have sex and stuff.
01:40:16.000Because, you know, I know that in my 20s, and I'm freezing up just talking about it, is that when men made physical advances to me, I would be giving off these nonverbal cues.
01:40:28.000And I wasn't saying no, but my body was saying no.
01:40:31.000And I'm not saying it's necessarily a guy who's supposed to, like, be able to read my body language.
01:40:34.000But that's what was happening because I froze up because of my trauma response.
01:41:39.000And that's like transactional sex, which I think women are kind of just I won't generalize about all women.
01:41:45.000But I think some women are like sort of like, I don't want to have that kind of transactional sex anymore.
01:41:49.000And I feel like I'm being used as a blow-up doll.
01:41:52.000And I think from what I understand that girl felt is she felt like she was rushed through dinner and went back and was just sort of expected to be fucked.
01:42:01.000And I think a lot of what's happening is that men were promised something from porn and women were promised something from romantic comedies.
01:42:08.000Men were promised that women want it all the time.
01:42:11.000And women have been promised that men want to talk to us.
01:42:14.000And I think these expectations are clashing.
01:42:16.000So I think it's a little bit of nature and a little bit of nurture.
01:42:19.000So a lot of it being media misrepresentations of actual relationships and that's the models that people are acting on.
01:42:44.000I mean, I've literally had sex before just to like get out of there.
01:42:49.000You're just like, oh god, I don't want to argue with this person right now, but I feel like this person feels entitled to my body, and I feel shame, and I'm embarrassed, and like, it's just all this stuff that's really kind of hard to explain, and I think it probably is annoying to the guy, and I just like, I don't want to be difficult, and I've been so gaslit to believe that I'm difficult.
01:43:06.000It just gets like really messy, and then by the time you figure it out, you've already had sex, and you're just like, oh fuck, can I have my parking pass back?
01:43:12.000Isn't this part of just being a human and trying to navigate your way through the fucking treacherous waters of just social interactions, sexual interactions?
01:43:22.000I didn't figure it out until I was 32 years old.
01:43:24.000I wasn't able to, like, articulate or figure out whether I actually wanted to be having sex or not.
01:43:28.000So, like, my advice to all my guy friends is do not have sex with girls that are under 30 because, like, I could not, I didn't have the ability to even know or say what I wanted until I was 32. But for men, a lot of men feel like if you have sex with a girl who's under 30, then it's fun.
01:44:19.000This is totally, like, I probably shouldn't say this, but I was thinking someone was like, yeah, and then they had dinner, and afterwards, whatever, and she wasn't into it.
01:45:02.000You know, so I just know that I've had a lot of sex in my 20s that I didn't want to be having, that felt transactional, that just didn't feel, you know, I think that, you know who really wins in all this?
01:45:28.000No, I mean like if you're afraid of sexually assaulting someone by accident or having an interpersonal relationship at work and all this stuff that's going on, just like having sex with a hooker, like you're not going to get fired.
01:46:05.000Because I literally was thinking about the other day, I was like, I would like someone to invent, like, a virtual reality game so that women can understand what sex feels like for men.
01:49:53.000I think the same behavior that kings have, you see that with dictators, you see that with celebrities, especially celebrities that, again, became super famous 50, 60 years ago, like Bill Cosby.
01:50:54.000You know, like, I had heard creepy shit about him, but it's like, why does a young guy like that, who can fuck anyone whenever he wants, have to do something like that?
01:51:00.000And it's like, I understand if you have all the packages and the sperm building up, but why can't you just jerk off?
01:51:05.000Why can't you just fuck someone consensually?
01:51:06.000See, that's a different thing, though.
01:51:38.000Because it's like, I mean, there could be some sort of, obviously not to defend it, but some sort of survival instinct in being able to procreate with a woman who's not interested.
01:51:47.000Like, our biology is still not checked for, like, overpopulation, the fact that we no longer need to force ourselves upon women to proliferate the species.
01:51:56.000Yeah, there's got to be some leftover, ancient, horrible, rape DNA. Because there were a lot of people that were...
01:52:04.000I mean, Genghis Khan, his genes are in some ungodly percentage.
01:53:31.000There's a lot of people that are just poorly formed human beings and they are now a part of a righteous tribe of people that are attacking this other tribe.
01:53:41.000And it's like most women didn't march.
01:53:55.000But there is something interesting, I think, about what happens when a group of women get together.
01:54:01.000Because I think that, at least in my experience, especially in the workplace, and I was trying to do some research on this, and I don't know enough about it, but there's this thing called, I believe it's called favoritism bias, and it's how women in a workplace actually compete with each other because they're afraid that the man is going to think that they're favoring their gender,
01:54:36.000So I think for women to actually be on the same team not to support toxic tribalism is actually kind of a refreshing thing to just be like, we're not competing for a man.
01:55:22.000There can only be one woman each show, and it's fucking her or me, or it's like, you know, and that's like a primal thing, of course, because it's like, I want protection from the man, because whatever, there's all that sort of like old primordial shit.
01:55:34.000But competition between women, like I have, this is the first time I'm kind of not feeling that.
01:55:43.000And we'll see, because I definitely know, even though I think that, you know, women...
01:55:48.000My concern, I don't remember who I was talking about this the other day, is that basically people are just going to stop hiring women or stop hiring mixed, like putting, mixing people, genders up in offices because it's just too scary.
01:55:58.000Do you really think that's going to happen?
01:55:59.000I'm concerned there's going to be a little bit of a backlash that guys are, you know, it's not worth hiring a woman because it's just going to be a nightmare.
01:56:06.000I mean, I know a lot of guys who are like, I never hire pretty assistants or I'll never hire a pretty girl to be in my office because I'm just too scared the way men are going to act, which I think is a little crazy and unfortunate, but it's like, but it's true.
01:56:22.000If you have a really hot assistant and she's walking around with all these other guys in the office and the other guys in the office are getting their cups of coffee.
01:56:29.000All of a sudden they're her assistant.
01:56:33.000Like when I see a guy that's like skeezing on a chick, I'm like, I see what you're doing.
01:56:38.000If you need an intern or something and you have two women that are equally qualified and one is overweight and 55 and one is 22 and gorgeous.
01:56:46.000I don't know how they could be equally qualified, but whatever.
01:57:15.000If you're owned by a corporation or if you're NBC or if you're Disney or something, I know there are a lot of conversations about potential liabilities.
01:57:22.000Well, someone who's a 55-year-old intern is like, whoa, don't you need money?
01:59:41.000I was doing a show with Chris D'Elia and we would spend all day together every day and we were like having this relationship.
01:59:47.000I mean, we were also acting as girlfriend and boyfriend and we were sort of super bonded and then because you spend all day talking to each other, confiding in each other, sharing all these experiences, by the time you get home to your actual boyfriend, you're like, goodnight!
01:59:59.000And then a month later, I'm like, because remember when that director yelled at me?
02:00:06.000It's only because I've invested everything in that other person that all of a sudden it starts driving a wedge between you and your actual.
02:00:12.000So what you're supposed to do in relationships is keep everything and hold it.
02:00:17.000It's like not ejaculating, basically, emotionally.
02:00:20.000Like if something crazy happens to me at work, I don't confide in someone at work.
02:00:24.000I have to wait till I get home and bore the shit out of my boyfriend.
02:00:26.000I know this dude who is a very funny guy and he brings this woman on the road with him and when he brings this woman on the road with him his wife freaks.
02:01:36.000Okay, so there was this famous lawsuit on Friends.
02:01:38.000The writer's assistant sued the writers in the writer's room because they were saying something about the actresses or saying like fucking them with twigs or I think something crazy.
02:02:54.000When I get around comics, it took me so long to delineate the difference between how to act around comics and how to act around human beings.
02:03:00.000And I also think part of the reason I'm a little manic when I first see a comic, it's like a puppy seeing its owner.
02:03:06.000And then I just get so excited that I get to be like, bitch, can't fuck.
02:04:52.000There's nowhere to go like I was reading this thing about pedophiles and like I'm not supportive of pedophiles but like if you are a pedophile and you have horrible thoughts there's nowhere where you can go unless you can afford therapy where you can say hey I have some really fucked up thoughts and I want to fuck a kid and because shame is the engine of pedophilia yeah and you have nowhere to go or if you do go somewhere people are gonna go oh you're disgusting Yeah.
02:05:34.000Yeah, and it's also because your thing is victimizing children.
02:05:40.000There's zero tolerance for that anywhere.
02:07:05.000Yeah, you know, so it's like, but like to stop that cycle is just so it's like the same idea of like jerking off on someone and being turned on by them being scared, being sexually aroused by a woman being scared.
02:07:16.000There's something fucking going on there.
02:07:18.000And I don't know if it's nature, if it's nurture, if it's fucking Viking shit.
02:07:21.000The pedophile thing is also it's such a forbidden topic that no one even wants to express any sort of sympathy for those people at all.
02:07:28.000You don't want to be thought of as a pedophilia sympathizer.
02:07:38.000But if there's a way, if it's technically an addiction, I mean, I think it's probably a mental illness or some sort of trauma therapy, because those people are traumatized, right?
02:07:47.000Right, but if you're addicted to cigarettes...
02:07:54.000But if you're addicted to fucking kids, and then you live, and then another kid gets fucked because you couldn't keep it together anymore, I'm not willing to take that risk.
02:08:05.000And that becomes a real problem, especially someone who has young children.
02:08:22.000And I guess the one thing I would say is people have a lot of sympathy for children who are molested or victims of pedophiles until they grow up.
02:08:29.000You know, like a lot of women who were victims of that end up manifesting as the women who can't say no or the women who are like, you know, traumatized and freeze up and stuff like that.
02:09:06.000A lot of people can never come to terms with it.
02:09:08.000I was talking to a therapist who was saying something about plastics.
02:09:11.000A lot of people that get crazy plastic surgery do it because they were molested and they're trying to change their face so when they look in the mirror it's not the person that got molested.
02:09:19.000That's what they thought about Michael Jackson.
02:12:13.000Like, the way you would license something?
02:12:14.000You could do something like that, or you could give them your ad revenue, but you'd have to give them, like, all the ad revenue from a show.
02:12:21.000So, like, if we played a clip from The Office, and we played it, and you could see it on the show, we would totally get flagged and pulled off YouTube.
02:12:34.000Yeah, you could argue it, that it's fair use, but you don't have a license to do it, and if you're making money off of it, it might not be considered fair use.
02:14:52.000Well, also, his children weren't his children, right?
02:14:55.000He's a heterosexual man, but heinous things happened to Michael in his lifetime that actually changed or had him morph into who he thought he was.
02:15:04.000One of those things, according to Murray, was his parents arranging for his chemical castration.
02:15:09.000His testes were never removed, but injections were given to Michael Jackson to maintain his voice.
02:15:14.000His high-pitched voice of a child that went long beyond puberty.
02:15:18.000He places much of the blame for Jackson's extraordinary but difficult life at the feet of his family.
02:17:07.000But how young, like how do you know if you're 17 and like we were just talking about the power dynamic, how do you even know you're trying to figure out who you are?
02:19:00.000We're panicking, we're freaking out, but that's also why we correct things.
02:19:04.000I think the technology, ingenuity, and I also think, as ironically as it seems, a guy like Donald Trump as president is going to really Activate people.
02:19:18.000A big part of that is having to grab the pussy president.
02:19:21.000It had to get this bad in order for us to wake the fuck up because we're all zombie sleepwalkers.
02:19:26.000He's the reason why those pussy hats that, by the way, whoever's making a windfall off those goddamn pussy hats, they should be thanking Donald.
02:19:33.000There were people down there selling them.
02:19:34.000No one knows how to make pussy hats like me.
02:19:37.000What if he's behind the selling of that?
02:19:39.000Yeah, no, it was amazing to see all the commercialization of it and everybody capitalizing on it.
02:19:43.000And also, I think it's going to make us much more appreciative of the Environmental Protection Agency and then all the restrictions that Obama put in offshore drilling.
02:19:52.000If anything goes wrong, because he's just opened up offshore drilling everywhere.
02:20:00.000He's done a lot of really crazy things with the environment and with state, with, you know, whether it's Bureau of Land Management areas or I don't know which organization.
02:21:59.000I don't have any problem with Oprah, but I just think what we should have is someone who is extremely educated, who has incredibly nuanced and well-thought-out opinions on things, and someone who's got a really good grasp of what it takes to run a democracy.
02:22:15.000Let's stop electing rich celebrities to run our country.
02:23:05.000Did you ever hear about that guy that got fired from Reddit and he was saying awful shit on Reddit and posting all these terrible things and they found out his personal identity?
02:23:14.000And they went after him and then got him fired from his job and it devastated his life.
02:23:19.000I think I was married with kids and the whole thing, his life completely fell apart.
02:23:26.000One of the things that I found on Instagram, if someone says something really particularly heinous, you go to their page, they're almost always private.
02:23:32.000They almost always have like a blocked page because they're cowards.
02:23:35.000There's just a lot of like very deeply unhappy people that will lash out at anybody that's in the public spotlight, like you.
02:23:45.000If a man, this happened to someone I know, if a man is engaging with relationships with other women on the internet as a character, is it cheating?
02:25:03.000Like instead of like learning to be an interesting charismatic person who's caring and kind and reaping the rewards of real relationships with people that care about you and you care about them and understanding real true love.