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00:00:10.000Yeah, I've got a company to do it for me in Spanish with subtitles.
00:00:14.000And then I'm going to bring him up here on Friday, and we're going to have a three-way about Cuba and what it was like to wrestle and the whole thing, if you don't mind.
00:01:33.000That was what a lot of people attributed George St. Pierre's success in wrestling.
00:01:37.000You know, George didn't wrestle in college or in high school, but he trained with a bunch of Russian nationals in Montreal and apparently phenomenal wrestlers.
00:01:44.000They have this incredible wrestling program.
00:01:46.000When you see Nurmagomedov, the way he mauls people inside the octagon, like what in the fuck?
00:01:53.000That is a perfect example of that style of super hard, super technical wrestling.
00:05:04.000I mean, think about how effortlessly he goes, like, steps around guys.
00:05:10.000I mean, he's got some incredible control of his feet, but it makes sense that, like, you would learn how to move your feet in a specific way the way you learn how to move your hands in a specific way, right?
00:05:21.000Like, think about a guy like Floyd Mayweather, right?
00:05:23.000His hand combinations with his upper body, they're so precise.
00:06:26.000So I figured that I'd put them up and we'll do a podcast in Spanish with fucking subtitles, like an English film, like a Gellini movie, whatever.
00:06:35.000One of those movies people think are unique.
00:09:53.000He would hit guys with these combinations and clean technique too, man.
00:09:57.000He's not just a physically strong guy, he's also very smart because he's learning to do everything mechanically very good.
00:10:06.000It's not like a guy who's only been striking for like three or four years, so they look a little tight and weird, but if they land, they got a lot of power.
00:10:37.000The average guy, by the time he gets to the UFC, I would like to know what the number is of how many years of training and competing they have.
00:11:24.000What's going on here is phenomenal athletic talent, massive potential, like super alpha athlete versus One of the toughest guys ever, who's been in the game longer, who knows more.
00:12:49.000And Stipe figured out how to beat him, being 20-plus pounds lighter than him, you know, way less intimidating in terms of his physical presence, although Stipe's pretty fucking intimidating.
00:14:02.000When he fucking finds them with the guns and he starts smacking the kids in the neighborhood, I still remember people's parents smacking kids in the neighborhood.
00:19:36.000When you think about their one generation removed from people who came off a boat.
00:19:41.000Let me tell you what, the other side of this, here's the other side, like, alright, the big thing was, as we came to move here, I remember that he would come to the store, Frank Starr, Mike Starr was your friend, and he would come to the store, and there was a big rumor that Chaz stole these stories from him and put this together,
00:20:00.000and there was like this little war going on, but not really.
00:20:03.000From Frankie Renzulli, the other gentleman, there was somebody else that was his roommate, that turned out to be somebody very big, and, uh, But there's a story one time that a biker dude, oh, Gravano money, and Gravano was hitting him, and he fell off the sidewalk and broke his leg.
00:20:18.000So Gravano one night went out and fucking did something like this, something like with 20 guys, they beat up eight bikers.
00:20:30.000Like, if I could think, if you could hit me with truth serum, I could go back to being 1968, 1969 in the Bronx.
00:20:40.000My daughter's five, and my mother would send me from the dry cleaner that she owned to the corner where it was an Italian place that had slices and Italian ice and shit like that.
00:20:50.000Like, I was allowed to walk to the corner at Mercy's age.
00:22:49.000But before that, that was all put in little different immigrant neighborhoods all over New York City because as immigrants, we all want hope.
00:22:58.000You know, we want that money to get that refrigerator and the stove and shit like that.
00:23:14.000My grandmother was obsessed with the numbers.
00:23:17.000She was obsessed and she would always have like a number in her head that she thought it was gonna be and it was like one-off or something like that.
00:23:25.000It was like these stories she would tell you.
00:25:19.000Somehow or another she had this idea in her head, and it could be because she knew that the ceiling was fucked up, and she knew it was raining hard, and it was probably going to give in anyway, or she might have had intuition.
00:25:29.000Everyone was always convinced it was intuition.
00:25:32.000Everyone was always convinced, like she's a little bit psychic.
00:32:12.000They're silk handmade shirts from China.
00:32:15.000That you wear, and they have three little buttons.
00:32:18.000But when you're a real motherfucking Spick, you cut those buttons, and you get your initials, and you put them in gold with diamonds in it.
00:33:40.000But when I went back, I told him, listen, The cops were up the corner, and me and him, he grabbed me by the hand, and him and I walked from 29th and Bergenlein to 58th and Bergenlein down to Hudson, telling different bar owners that there was going to be a raid.
00:33:56.000Like, that's how untrustworthy he was of phones.
00:33:59.000And by the time we got back to the bar, we got raided.
00:34:03.000And there was a dude in there, his name was Monina.
00:36:13.000There's going to be fucking winners and there's going to be fucking losers, my friends.
00:36:17.000Two years ago, Connecticut did an expose on 60 Minutes about women who have just lost their fucking minds gambling at Mohican Son because they installed, no disrespect to Mohican Son of Casino Industries,
00:36:34.000they installed these type of slot machines that could just fuck with your mind.
00:38:19.000It's just as scary, too, because they're conscious.
00:38:21.000It's like if you see the drug addict, you see him, he's shooting up or whatever it is, and you see him fainting, you go, oh, that poor bastard.
00:38:28.000But when you see a guy who's fully in the grips of gambling, trying to figure out how to get his money back, and he's all jazzed up with adrenaline, he doesn't understand why.
00:38:36.000See, there's gamblers like Michael Jordan.
00:39:30.000So now you think you got the world by the ball, so you do it again on Friday, Saturday, and now you enter this world, Joe Rogan, that gets dark.
00:39:39.000Instead of the drug addiction or the alcohol addiction, every morning you wake up like, is today my lucky day?
00:39:47.000It's like the people who go to the 7-Eleven every day and you're trying to just get a pack of rolling papers.
00:42:13.000If they had a problem playing Scrabble, they would call up the Parker Brothers hotline like mobsters would to dispute the rules and have them explain what was going on.
00:43:08.000I told you that I was a backer on the road for a while, my friend Johnny B. When I started making money doing stand-up, I put together a little bankroll, and me and him would go places and gamble.
00:43:18.000And he would win or lose, you know, sometimes he'd win, sometimes he'd lose.
00:43:27.000I was never good enough to play those guys, but I could play people that were my level, and you'd bet $20, or maybe if you want to get crazy, bet $50.
00:43:37.000I never bet a lot of money gambling on pool, but it makes you think more.
00:43:42.000It makes you play, like, way more serious.
00:44:41.000Side bets are probably more, like, if you had a bet, if you had, like, a big pool game, right, in a, there used to be a place called, uh, What is it?
00:45:31.000If you and I are in the tournament and you are Efren Reyes, the greatest of all time, or Earl Strickland, or Johnny Archer, and I'm just Joe Rogan, I barely can play.
00:46:08.000But sometimes guys will get together and back somebody, too.
00:46:11.000Like, say, if you've got a friend that's a really good player, and this guy's coming in from out of town, And he wants to take a crack at him and go, well, he wants to play $100 sets.
00:46:20.000Okay, and then you have to think, how many barrels do we have?
00:50:26.000Like his technique is so clean and his angles are perfect and he's just effortlessly moving the cue ball on the table to where he wants it.
00:50:35.000He sees clusters and problems way in advance and breaks them up.
00:50:54.000He was explaining things that I was just guessing before, and he was explaining what was wrong with my approach and what's a better way to do it.
00:51:01.000He's a wizard when it comes to technique.
00:51:04.000Now, he can make a living going from pool hall to pool hall or no way because he's that good.
00:51:08.000Well, he's an artist too, fortunately for Max.
00:52:01.000He's like finding logs on the side of the highway and shit and recognizing some weird hardwood that no one's ever used before and he cuts it up and makes a cue out of it.
00:52:53.000I like, you know, they got a ton of loot.
00:52:57.000Chris Christie goes to the Supreme Court on sports betting.
00:53:00.000Is he trying to get sports betting legalized?
00:53:02.000They passed something in New Jersey, I think in 2011, to allow betting in sports, but it's still only allowed in Vegas because of whatever law there is.
00:53:22.000They want betting again because they have an NHL team in Vegas and that's always been like the logic is that there'll be some issue, whatever.
00:53:29.000You can't be betting where there's sports being played because someone will throw the game.
00:54:45.000I saw a person watch two baseball games at the same time.
00:54:49.000Remember in those days you didn't have split screen and direct TV. So if you were Puerto Rican, you took one TV and you put it on top of the other TV and you got fucking NBC and you had...
00:55:03.000Remember when HBO still had the cord to the fucking thing?
00:55:08.000And it was a thing with a box that you pressed and you switched three levels?
00:57:30.000When I was a kid, I was like 13, and somebody came to me and said, be careful when you go with it because the mom's a little bit on those card games.
00:57:40.000Imagine being scared for your life from a card game.
01:02:25.000They would hire, like, former SEALs and shit, and they would have to carry the money to the bank because everybody knew there was, like, giant sums of cash.
01:03:24.000I want to say it's like somewhere around two ninety nine somewhere somewhere in that range two thousand ninety nine and He apparently was coming out with a big bag of cash and someone shot him right in the stomach Took his money.
01:05:25.000It's not an Academy Award winner, but it's very interesting when we're just burying money, Joe Rogan.
01:05:32.000Four million in shot, like me and you are in the yard, like burying money, like a suitcase with hundred-dollar bills falling out of it, and you don't give a Frenchman's fuck.
01:06:52.000They were landing in those Everglades, and don't quote me on this, Eddie broke it down for me and somebody else broke it down for me, to be honest with you.
01:07:00.000And they were allowing that on your boy's clock, Clinton's clock.
01:09:00.000Seal had organized a sting operation where he managed to get photographs of Pablo Escobar helping Nicaraguan soldiers to load 1,200 kilos of cocaine onto a C-123 military plane.
01:09:10.000Soon afterwards, Reagan went on television with a photograph to denounce Sandinistas as drug smuggling, corrupting, dot, dot, dot.
01:09:18.000That's how much he was getting for that fucking load.
01:11:16.000As an American, you can't be this dumb.
01:11:18.000After all the research that we've done, all the research that we've done with General North, he was in on the package with Barry Seale, the whole fucking thing.
01:11:49.000He was on an island snorting coke with long hair, talking like Jim Morrison, and having fucking threesomes, and the fucking, their own cartel gave Lader up to the Lalea to keep them off their back.
01:12:19.000They gave the DEA fucking Carlos that calmed things down for a while.
01:12:24.000In 83 and 84, when Reagan sent his troops down there, don't quote me on the dates here, but I will tell you as a professional cocaine sniffer what was going on.
01:12:37.000In 85, the price of cocaine went skyrocketing.
01:12:40.000And it wasn't because of cocaine skyrocketing.
01:12:46.000It was because the cocaine was coming in, but the toughest part was getting the ether alcohol into Colombia to process it.
01:12:55.000The Colombians had got a tip that the troops were coming down to raid their jungles.
01:13:00.000Now, what they have not told you in all these shows and research, but this is what Uncle Joe is going to drop on you, is where do you think they took some labs to Nicaragua, and they shipped cocaine out of Nicaragua.
01:13:15.000But guess who else partnered up with them, too?
01:15:05.000Fidel Castro was in Union City, New Jersey.
01:15:07.000I can't tell you the dates, but I can have my friend call into the podcast and tell you the story about Fidel talking to his mother on a daily when she would wait to get on the bus.
01:20:58.000When you hit a fucking joint, and you take a little sip of coffee, and after you smoke that Toots or Doots, you light up a Marlboro, some light.
01:22:21.000One of the reasons why I did it is because I read something about nootropics, talking about different vitamins, like what's good for brain function, and one of the things they said that nicotine, nicotine is actually a nootropic, and that They found that some people under the use of tobacco, with the use of tobacco,
01:22:37.000they achieve like an elevated state of like certain functions of the brain.
01:22:44.000Like it actually has some sort of a small measurable effect.
01:22:47.000So it really does stimulate the way your brain works.
01:23:00.000But if that coffee was brewing hot right now, and it was maybe 60 degrees outside with a little bit of wind and sunlight, you know when you stand out in the sun, you're warm, but when you're in the breeze, you're a little cool?
01:23:13.000You go outside, and a good joint of some fucking tremendous reefer with the sun hitting your face, And you take a nice hit of a cigarette, all combined, or even...
01:23:26.000I'll do a cup of coffee, I'll pop a fucking number and then a little nicotine gum to give you a little guts, some blood pressure medication on top of that.
01:27:32.000I take one egg yolk and put it on one side, and I eat the whole thing, like Robert De Niro ate the fucking egg in Angel Heart when he wanted to scare Mickey Rourke.
01:34:02.000Like, I knew I couldn't go to the movies in North Perkins or Union City because I'd bump into one of my mother's friends or something.
01:34:10.000So me and my little goombas figured out if we went to Jersey City, we could get on the bus, cause a little drama, get a six-pack, split it four ways, and smoke a joint and go into those movies and giggle and act like an asshole.
01:34:23.000We also went down to see the Groove Tube and Kentucky Fried movie.
01:34:31.000Kentucky Fried Movie was a genre that started before Saturday Night Live.
01:34:37.000And there was a movie put together by a bunch of sketches.
01:34:40.000But one of the famous sketches is they're in a courtroom.
01:36:27.000You made a point the other day with those two young men that, and I don't want to quote you, you said something about that somebody got mad at people with their vagina hats.
01:38:42.000You know, before you go to those events, you get tuned up, and you put Visine in your eyes, and you go down there, and you try to be as nice as you can as a parent, but you try to avoid talking to a lot of people.
01:39:02.000You try to do that, but there's always something at those events that you get back in the car with your wife and go, Mrs. Rogan, what the fuck was that about?
01:39:12.000And then they'll break it down for you.
01:41:08.000That doesn't make sense from a developmental standpoint.
01:41:11.000I'm not a scientist, but I understand enough about the stages that the human being goes through before it reaches adulthood.
01:41:18.000You're not really completely formed until you're 20 years old or 25 years old or something like that.
01:41:23.000It's like the frontal cortex doesn't form until you're 25. So your decision making is always a little weird until you're about 25. Who the fuck knows what the fuck they want to be at 15 or 16?
01:41:31.000But you definitely don't know at 6 or at 3. No.
01:41:56.000If someone feels a certain way, they feel they are a certain way, why do they have to take chemicals to achieve a new state?
01:42:04.000They identify with being a woman, so they have to take chemicals to reach this state.
01:42:09.000I think, man, if I was a person who was a transgender person listening to me talk, I'd be like, shut the fuck up, you don't know shit about that.
01:42:27.000I don't think it's a bad thing, but I think that...
01:42:32.000Doing it to someone who really can't fully make up their mind yet just seems insanely risky, and what could happen to the kid could be terrible.
01:42:43.000And people have made successful transitions when they transitioned in their 30s.
01:42:47.000You don't have to do it when you're 6. If you want to be a transgender person in your 30s, Sure, or your 20s, or whenever we decide that a human being is rationally capable of making full-life decisions that are as dramatic as that.
01:44:47.000You would buy the handle that I would hold.
01:44:50.000Remember the ones where you were in taekwondo and they had the wood in the top and they had four inches of canvas and you would stand in front of it and you would beat a makiwara and it would have like your knuckles.
01:45:03.000These guys would really condition their knuckles.
01:45:06.000That's what we did at 12. But they had little goombas in my neighborhood and when they were 12 they did something completely different.
01:45:14.000They went behind the school, and they would roll one joint and put it in a piece of glass tube and light it up, and we would drink Boone's Farm.
01:45:23.000The fruit shit, and I'd get pukey, so I didn't know who to hang out with, so I would have to be like a double agent.
01:45:29.000That was a tough job for me as a 12-year-old.
01:45:32.000I liked hanging out with my karate geeks.
01:46:00.000They would talk about girls and they maybe had a crush on the girl in the 430 class, but they never asked her to come to any of the events.
01:50:29.000I don't know, but if they said Lohenbrow, if that was their name and they started the beer company and they didn't change their name, that's as American as it gets.
01:51:18.000If they put them down in Mexico, but they gave them American money, like the levels of American money that's in Mexico, they would stop doing it.
01:51:29.000Wow, look at all these different ones.
01:51:30.000Chrysler has three plants, Ford has three plants, GM has four plants, Mazda has one.
01:51:35.000They do it down there because it's cheaper, which I guess they have to do what they've got to do, and I'm sure it helps the community, because I know it does.
01:51:42.000I know people that have had manufacturing down in these countries, and they do it for the cheap, but it does help the people.
01:51:49.000There's some places that don't have much.
01:51:51.000But what's arguable is, like, why is living like a Western person so important when these people have been living their own way for thousands of years?
01:52:02.000Like, all the crazy infrastructure and all the shit that we had, they didn't have the crazy cities and, you know, other than a few cities in Mexico, like Mexico City.
01:52:11.000So if they would go and put these plants in, like, why is it doing, I mean, I'm all for people being able to work, but is that better?
01:52:19.000Is that better than the way they were living before?
01:52:21.000When they were living like indigenous people, or living like villagers, or living like trades people, or whatever they did to get by?
01:52:29.000Let's go back to the whole situation here.
01:52:32.000I still remember, because I'm a little older than you, I still remember where it was kind of starting to get taboo if you bought a foreign car.
01:52:58.000It was $1,900, stupid, like a Corolla or something.
01:53:02.000And I still remember there was a time in this country when if you were the first person on this block, if you showed up with a foreign car, you got a little bit of grief.
01:54:09.000You, as a consumer, as an American, you want to buy American products and you want to buy American-made products.
01:54:16.000You know, so there's a couple places now, like beside Mexico, where we have places now, like in Indiana, we have like Toyota has a couple places, and they should bring it back.
01:55:04.000These people don't have anything else going on down there or not as much going on down there, obviously, as they do in America and some heavily populated cities.
01:55:12.000And so they can offer people much less money.
01:55:15.000And there's a lot of plants that do that.
01:55:18.000The real question is, do you think that this is just going to elevate these people and they're eventually going to catch up with the Western world and live the way that we're living right now in the United States?
01:55:28.000There's ultimately a possibility of that.
01:55:31.000Or are we saying, well, we're always going to have these people that we treat less good, and we're just always going to keep them in that position.
01:55:36.000They're never going to get any better.
01:57:08.000The idea is that you've got to always be able to make more money.
01:57:13.000These people have this idea in a lot of these corporations of unlimited growth.
01:57:17.000They just want to constantly be growing, growing, growing.
01:57:20.000Some people think it's a very dangerous idea because your bottom line for your company is to always outdo every quarter.
01:57:28.000At a certain time, people start getting desperate.
01:57:31.000And they start cutting environmental corners or cutting research corners or doing whatever the fuck they have to do to keep their bottom line down and keep their profits coming in.
01:57:40.000And that's what you could say about, like, these prescription drug companies.
01:57:43.000People want to think that these companies are evil.
01:59:14.000And when I went to meet him, what he wanted to know was, he goes, you're a comedian, and I just wanted to ask if you knew anybody who got pills.
02:02:58.000But when dog, when they told me to, like I knew when I was a kid I would go to Washington Square Park and I could get eight, ten milligram Valium with the V in the middle.
02:03:11.000That's the real deal when you get a fucking pill and they got a V in the middle cut out.
02:04:21.000I think they think there are syndromes where, and it's probably fairly common in terms of it's not just one person.
02:04:27.000It's like several people that could point out that experience actual like pleasure, like a serotonin burst from certain amounts of pain.
02:04:34.000I don't think they feel it the way we feel it.
02:04:36.000And so they're always trying to do things to themselves, and they say that some of the people that get a lot of piercings have that.
02:04:42.000Some people that get a lot of tattoos have that.
02:04:44.000They want to feel it more, so they want to burn it into themselves.
02:04:48.000And I'm obviously not a psychologist, but it's apparently a pretty common theory.
02:04:54.000Another thing I want to talk to you about, I watched the podcast.
02:04:57.000I can't believe I have to say I'm not a psychologist.
02:04:59.000I watched the podcast where you were talking about, because I wanted to really tell you the truth, the podcast where you were talking about that maybe some of Jon Jones' actions were caused by head injuries.
02:08:59.000Some people, obviously, look, there's people that can handle booze and there's people that can't handle even a little booze.
02:09:04.000And I think that's the same with stimulants.
02:09:06.000I think that's the same with pretty much everything, almost every life experience, in fact.
02:09:09.000I think there's some people that can handle things and some people that can't and some people that can't at first and they eventually learn to.
02:09:16.000Someone sent me something about Rodney Dangerfield.
02:09:50.000That's a fucking hell of an article about.
02:09:52.000One of the greatest of all time when it comes to stand-up comedy.
02:09:55.000And he just talks about the evolution of Rodney Dangerfield and how it wasn't until he was in his 50s that he really fucking got it together.
02:10:03.000Like, it became the great stand-up that we know him as and his process for boiling down his material.
02:13:37.000Like, see, I got into comedy on the tail end.
02:13:40.000Like, when I got into comedy, people were telling you it's over, kid, because five years before that, MCs were getting $1,500 plus air.
02:13:49.000And features were getting $2,500 plus air.
02:13:52.000And headliners were getting $5,000 plus air.
02:13:54.000And all of a sudden, when I got in it, I still remember the first notes he gave us was, before you guys get into comedy, I want you to tell you what happened to the bubble.
02:14:19.000I don't know what people blame it on the excess of comedy on television at the time.
02:14:24.000I don't believe that because the great ones are still there.
02:14:26.000I think what happened was there was a lot of guys that were really, really, really, really fucking funny because they had taken their act and polished that motherfucker like a diamond and they brought it to you and it was just perfect.
02:14:38.000It was a perfect act but it didn't change.
02:14:40.000It was a perfect piece of work, but they didn't write more.
02:14:43.000Some guys did, but not enough guys did.
02:14:46.000And so people would keep coming back to the shows, they'd be able to say the jokes word for word, year after year.
02:14:52.000Like, they'd go to see some guys, they would do the same act, year after year.
02:14:56.000And it's a very unfortunate thing, because when it comes to proficiency level, There's guys like Steve Sweeney that used to kill in a way that you're like, oh my god.
02:15:05.000What's the guy that used to drink the white Russians in a container?
02:15:57.000What fucked everybody up was people would go to see someone special.
02:16:02.000Like, Kinison did a special, and then he tried to do the material from the special on a show.
02:16:07.000And the people already knew the material.
02:16:09.000And they were, like, yelling out bits and fucking up bits.
02:16:11.000And I think comics then started realizing...
02:16:14.000Once you do like a real special and put it on HBO or something like that and it makes you famous, you gotta throw that shit away and write a completely new set.
02:23:06.000I gotta come out with a flying sidekick at the original room.
02:23:09.000Okay, this is so people break it down for you.
02:23:11.000In the original room, you gotta follow Joe Rogan, Chris D'Elia, or Bill Burr, like I had a couple weeks ago.
02:23:18.000I gotta come out from the curtain, okay, and throw a flying sidekick upward, which hasn't been done since Bruce Lee and the Chinese Connection.
02:23:27.000Me and you would usually do a flying sidekick from an evil ground.
02:23:34.000That's the comedy in the fucking original room.
02:23:37.000That's where you see me go bananas, where you see me at my best, like crazy, red in the face, about to have a heart attack, pitching your heart out on stage.
02:23:48.000You have to come out with a flying psychic.
02:23:51.000But you go on a vertical or a tremendous up, you're on your back kick, and I gotta get on my shoulders and kick up and try to get you in the jaw.
02:25:59.000So I'll do an edible and have a little shot of alcohol at the Ice House and tape it.
02:26:04.000And always get one or two great things, Joe Rogan.
02:26:08.000I'm not going to tell you I get an hour of greatness, but because you're so relaxed and they know what they're getting, it's a big difference, Joe.
02:26:17.000The Comedy Store, listen, how do you sharpen metal?
02:29:50.000I think there's no way you could ever say any one person is not influenced because every single style of stand-up comedy is in some way or another originated with the Lenny Bruce's and the Dick Gregory's and the guys who were doing it way back in the day.
02:34:05.000Because I still remember bombing and leaving there thinking, now I'm going to have to get a waiter job, or now you're going to have to get a cook job.
02:34:55.000I look at these young guys and I remember that pain and that confusion that I had.
02:34:59.000That fucking feeling you had when you were in open mic or when your friends were telling you you were funny, but you still had to drive the limo or keep the paper job route or still drop off papers or whatever the fuck job you said you had.
02:35:11.000You told me the story about meeting at Atlantic and all that.
02:35:15.000You're still in that crossroads of comedy where you don't know what to do, but you know in your fucking heart that you just can't wait to be a headliner.
02:35:26.000Somebody would just give you a chance.
02:35:28.000Back then, I wasn't even thinking I could ever be a headliner.
02:35:31.000I was just hoping I could make a living.
02:35:34.000I never thought I'd wind up being successful.
02:36:11.000He was living like an adult, but he was a stand-up comedian.
02:36:15.000Like everybody else, we had thought about like, you know, you're living like you're barely getting by.
02:36:19.000Stuffing a bunch of guys into a house, you know.
02:36:21.000There was a lot of like comedy flop houses where comedians would wind up moving in together or you're Living in some shitty apartment that you could barely afford or you're living with your girlfriend or something.
02:36:32.000It's weird when you go back and think about it, you know?
02:42:23.000You know, that guy, especially in the middle, we're joking around folks, especially in the middle of a trial, because he's in the middle of like a ton of trials.
02:42:29.000Oh, when he comes back, he's going to get charged?
02:44:22.000When there's a fucking gap, when you have a dream and you have power, a lot of things can happen.
02:44:29.000I mean, I'm no fucking Liberace, but I got my dick sucked at the Comedy Store just because of being a comedian and somebody thought that you, like, had supernatural powers.
02:46:46.000And you've been holding it in this whole time.
02:46:48.000Listen, the where I come from, that's not even allowed.
02:46:50.000That word never entered my mind, ever.
02:46:53.000I'm talking about if I was coked out of the bar one night and I went up to you and I told you your titties were banging and I want to put a coke rock in your asshole.
02:47:01.000You can't come at me for something in 1988 because I used to do it every other night.
02:47:37.000When you do cocaine, you do dirty fucking things.
02:47:43.000So when you look at a girl that's doing cocaine and she's like, if she suggests to you that she's going back to your hotel with you, it's on.
02:47:53.000Nobody goes back to their hotel with you when they have a boyfriend if you're doing coke.
02:49:52.000I think I was staying with Ralphie, and I went by Gavin's, and on the first floor there was this chick that used to be a stripper, and she had a daughter that was about 13, kind of ugly.
02:55:31.000I think if he went into that fight, he probably thought he'd be able to stuff more takedowns and probably be able to get back off his feet because he was doing that with a lot of guys in camp.
02:55:39.000But once that guy gets a hold of you, there's an acceptance that certain fighters go through where they're locked down like, holy shit, like they're just drained from this animal mauling them, trying to retain their energy, trying to recharge their battery, trying to get back in it.
02:55:54.000And you've got to realize, that guy, Edson Barbosa, is one of the best fucking kickers ever.
02:58:25.000But I think that if you wanted to have them fight again, and Kevin Lee can go into that fight healthy, I think you'd see a very different fight.
02:58:35.000I'm not saying that you would see Tony lose or Kevin win, but I would think you would see a Kevin Lee that could sustain his performance longer.
02:58:41.000I think being drained from staff is just...
03:00:10.000Like you said, with his immigrant name, what is more American than a guy who works right now as a fireman while he's the UFC heavyweight champion in the world?
03:03:12.000Like, you know, Bruce Lee gave hope because the Vietnam War was going on and there was something else going on in this country that people don't remember that destroyed this country.