In this episode, we pay our respects to John Anthony West, who passed away yesterday at the age of 83. He was a brilliant geologist, and one of the most influential people in the field of Ancient Egyptology. We talk about his life, his work, and the impact he had on the field, and how important it was to have someone like him on the show. We also talk about the controversy surrounding the timeline of the pyramids and the Sphinx, and whether or not there is any evidence that pushes the timeline back by thousands of years. And, of course, we talk about The Mystery of The Sphinx and why we think it might have been built in the late 1500s, not the early 2000s. Thanks to everyone who helped make this podcast possible, and thanks to all the people who contributed to making it possible in the first place. Rest in Paradise, John Anthony. -Jonathon West, you were an amazing man, and we'll miss you forever. -Jon and Matt, Jon and Matt - Jon & Matt - Thank you so much for being a part of this podcast, and thank you for all the support, love, support, and support of the podcast, thank you, and all the hard work you all put this podcast out there! Timestamps: 4:00 - What is the timeline? 6:30 - Who was the most important person in Egyptology? 7:00 8:20 - Who is the greatest Egyptologist? 9:40 - What do you think of the best? 11:15 - What would you like to see in Egypt? 14:00: Is there a timeline that is more accurate? 16:00-16:00 What are you most important to you? 17:00 Is there more accurate than the timeline you would like to know? 18:00 Do you have a timeline you'd like to have? 19:10 - What are your favorite piece of evidence? 21:00 How long ago? 22:00 Why do you like it? 25:00 Does it matter? 26:00 Who are you think it's better? 27:00 Can you see it better than it matters? 29:00 Should it be better than that? 30:00 Are you more than 5,000 years earlier? 35:00 Could it be 5,500 years ago?
00:01:15.000It was such a giant part of his life and The passion and the curiosity that he had in the knowledge that he had in these DVDs Would come through and you would just be like holding your face watching him going.
00:01:29.000These are amazing just up what a crazy time in human history this weird blip in the middle of North Africa, where these people just went way past everybody else!
00:01:50.000They did it in this one spot for who knows how long.
00:01:53.000It was thousands and thousands of years.
00:01:56.000Graham Hancock and John Anthony West are the people that are really at the front of the line in terms of the public eye of pushing the timeline back.
00:02:10.000I mean, Hancock's getting super vindicated right now.
00:02:12.000He is, and, you know, John Anthony West got vindicated as well by Robert Schock, who's a geologist from Boston University.
00:02:20.000He went to Egypt and he studied the enclosure that the Sphinx was in, and he's the guy that determined that you were looking at fissures that were created by thousands of years of rainfall, which would push back, because what we know about what the climate was like in that area, apparently it pushes it back to somewhere around 9,000 years ago,
00:03:14.000What is the main reason people get so pissed off at Hancock and West for trying to push the timeline back?
00:03:21.000Because they've been teaching one timeline for a long time.
00:03:24.000They don't want to admit that they were wrong.
00:03:26.000If somebody publishes a book about the timeline and just definitively says, we know now that Egypt was a hunter-gatherer culture that somewhere around 3000 BC erupted into this incredible civilization.
00:05:09.000He literally dedicated his life to absorbing as much information as possible about the nature of the construction, the time periods, the hieroglyphs.
00:05:22.000I mean, it's just an amazing, amazing body of work that that guy put together.
00:05:37.000Hell yeah, you'd hang out with Charlton Heston.
00:05:39.000Who's going to turn down Charlton Heston?
00:05:41.000Do you remember when Charlton Heston had a gun on TV and he was like, they'll take my rifle away when they pry my cold, dead hands off of it?
00:05:50.000Did he hold up a rifle when he said that?
00:06:24.000I am all for responsible people being able to own guns, but I'm also completely in agreement with people that say that there's too many people out there committing crimes with guns.
00:06:46.000And people get upset when you start talking about it because they want it to be just, no, we have a right to have any kind of gun that we want.
00:06:52.000But I think they're missing one of the real big problems, which we're just weirdly seeing the very beginning of it, dude.
00:07:25.000A dude who goes to Burning Man shot a fucking Tesla into space, which is now, I guess, going to rotate around the planet for some certain...
00:07:34.000I don't know how long it's going to be up there.
00:08:14.000Everybody just steps back and goes, what do you want to do?
00:08:16.000You want to dig holes through the bottom?
00:08:17.000What if you went to the LA City Council meeting and it's like, look, guys, I can fix this traffic thing.
00:08:23.000What I'm going to do is I'm going to drill holes underneath the ground and I'm going to put your car on a high-speed sled and you don't even drive.
00:08:49.000But the thing where it connects to guns is it's like We're looking at the very, very, very beginning of private individuals having access to technology that normally was in the hands of the state or governments, and this is the very crazy beginning of it.
00:09:05.000I didn't know he was shooting it at Mars.
00:09:07.000For some reason, I thought that fucking thing was going to rotate around the Earth, which made me worry that we're going to end up with a ring of billionaire cars.
00:09:18.000Because it would be like the coolest thing for billionaires to do.
00:09:21.000Did you shoot your car up in space yet?
00:09:24.000Also, a great way to dispose of bodies because like there's that astronaut in there and I keep thinking like, I bet that's one of Elon Musk's enemies.
00:09:32.000I bet he, that could be a body in there and no one would ever fucking...
00:10:24.000What's crazy about the John Anthony West stuff and the Graham Hancock stuff is like, in the way that flat Earth in a delusional, insane way...
00:10:32.000Sort of forces you to imagine yourself existing in a universe that's completely different than what you thought.
00:10:38.000And I think that's why it's really appealing.
00:10:40.000Like, it's an appealing, cool, beautiful, hilarious mythology.
00:10:44.000It's just like, whoa, how cool would that be if we really were on a flat earth?
00:10:47.000And like, if I just keep going in one direction...
00:10:56.000I'm not, it's like, it's a freeing feeling because like, even though it's not like I travel enough to feel stuck in fucking California, which is an insane thing, there's a little piece of us that knows we're never going to go into space.
00:11:09.000We're never going to get past, we're never going to, how do you get off the map?
00:11:14.000Like, there's something in a human that wants to get off the fucking map, where you end up in a place that hasn't been charted yet.
00:11:19.000And that's an experience that's gone, basically.
00:11:22.000I mean, I imagine swaths of the Amazon, perhaps, or someplace deep, deep in the Arctic, maybe in a cave or something.
00:11:29.000But it used to be people just didn't fucking know.
00:11:31.000You could go off the map, and you had no idea.
00:11:34.000And I think that must have been the biggest rush, to be on a ship, And looking at the maps that you guys have, and you're like, fuck, dude.
00:12:26.000Imagine if the whole planet thought the world was round.
00:12:30.000And there's all this information that shows the world is round.
00:12:32.000Thousands of years ago, people were doing calculations or sticking sticks into the ground at equal distance and measuring them and trying to see if there's curvature.
00:12:42.000There's always been people that suspected the Earth was round way before they could ever figure it out.
00:12:46.000They were trying to say, well, the moon is round, the sun is round, this is round, huh, probably this is round.
00:12:53.000You know, she would kind of think, well, how big is this fucking thing?
00:12:56.000And then if you get up high enough, you can kind of see, like, wow, if it's just really big, I see, like, a very slight curvature.
00:13:53.000That there isn't some massive, huge, unknown swath of reality that's sitting right in front of us at all times that's actively being hidden by the United States government and the military who has the technology that they finally detected the thing and they don't want us to know because they know if we know,
00:14:10.000who the fuck knows what the reason is?
00:14:11.000But they don't want us to know just yet.
00:14:24.000Stop getting the check they're like you can't like we will tell you but you can't you can't completely reveal this seems like one of the videos that would play before you like were first loading up Half-Life 10 This is a new new Half-Life the government's hiding a dimension.
00:14:42.000Well, I mean it did just come out what that they picked up some kind of UFO like the government did release UFO video.
00:14:53.000I always assume, and this is Captain Skeptical over here, I always assume if the government is ever saying that there's UFOs or something really crazy like that, it's to hide some shit they're doing in like Guatemala.
00:15:06.000It's like they don't want anybody to be paying attention to something weird they're doing.
00:15:10.000So they'll just start talking about UFOs.
00:15:35.000One of the versions of the stories is Fuck!
00:15:38.000If you want to dominate a planet, get them kind of like subconsciously, subliminally primed for the idea that, you know, I think there's some really advanced technology out there and there's aliens riding around in it and we've made contact.
00:15:54.000We've made contact with, they call themselves the Galactic Council of Celestial Elders, and they've been making contact with us for the last 50 years, and they've been instructing us in how to not only reveal themselves to you,
00:16:09.000but to To let the technology come out in a way that's not going to be completely catastrophic for our society.
00:16:15.000They're peace-loving, wonderful beings, but we've decided to follow their instructions to the T, and so now they're ready to introduce themselves.
00:16:25.000And then suddenly an alien is on TV. Suddenly, the government is using a completely made-up thing to try to dominate the planet by saying, no, it's aliens.
00:16:43.000The other idea is, all that shit's true.
00:16:45.000There's a thing that happens when a planet reaches a certain level of technological sophistication that it gets contacted by some kind of Order, council, federation of sentient technological Civilizations and they sort of begin to like walk the planet through phases of getting that shit out into the world in a way that isn't going to fuck up their planet and they know how to do it.
00:17:18.000They're not something detectable by telescopes.
00:17:21.000They're like in the DMT realm or they're like existing in some alternate dimension and technology is just one of the things that they use to communicate with us.
00:17:31.000I've been toying around with this idea for a long time, most of the time when I'm really high, that ideas are a life form.
00:17:40.000It's not as simple as your creativity putting together some pieces that weren't there before.
00:17:46.000I think it's that, but I think it's also you're tuning into something.
00:17:51.000You're tuning into some weird, like some of the ideas almost seem to write themselves, and it could be because of the subconscious process of your mind, but it also could be because that these, what ideas are, and what just the concept of thinking is, it's essentially the seeds of creation,
00:18:53.000It almost feels like these are not my ideas.
00:18:55.000These are ideas that I'm working hard.
00:18:57.000I've put in the effort to go out and fish for these ideas.
00:19:01.000Well, it's kind of like, imagine if there was a technology that could, like we send out these signals into space, satellites with fucking records in them, but perhaps other civilizations are blasting the planet with ideas,
00:19:18.000That are designed to be picked up by the scope of the human mind.
00:19:22.000And so what you're doing is you're actually, like, popping into an alien frequency, which is filled with all these various ideas that are part of the cultivation of a planet to, like, try to get it to the point of, like, being able to make contact.
00:20:36.000I believe it was like he was on a military campaign in the army or something along those lines.
00:20:41.000And he signed up for adventure to go off into the military.
00:20:46.000And during that time period he had a dream that something about to be able to harness nature, it would be done in weights and measurements.
00:21:00.000See if you can find the term That was essentially what people say, this is really, when you talk about the very birth of, like, the earliest you could trace back the idea of modern science, like the ethics and the ideas, the concepts of modern science, came from a dream.
00:21:16.000It goes, I mean, before Descartes, we're dealing with, like, it gets really interesting, because you're dealing with the alchemists, like John Dee, who were...
00:21:25.000I mean, John Dee was someone who was...
00:21:47.000uh the enochian tablets or like the enochian angels basically john d was like an alchemist who was working with queen elizabeth to try to turn lead into gold which was a you know a big pursuit back then which is like if we could turn if we can transmute metals into gold it's like i mean yeah they all tried to do that right was that when they first started recognizing elements like when did they first start recognizing elements Probably that.
00:22:16.000It must be through alchemy, because they're trying to break things down to their fundamental components.
00:22:40.000Because better than turning matter into gold, if you can turn matter into a fucking thing that is thinking and sentient, then it can figure out how to turn lead into gold by its advanced ability to process data.
00:22:52.000And if you were an alien race, you would be concerned about nuclear weapons for sure, but you would really be concerned about artificial life.
00:23:45.000He outlines his rules for understanding the natural world through reason and skepticism, forming the foundation of the scientific method still in use today.
00:23:54.000There's a term that he had that he came up with like in a dream.
00:24:00.000See if you can find that because there was like a phrase that he said, obviously translated from French.
00:26:30.000Why does, like, Thailand and places that are Buddhist places generally, I mean, obviously there's violence everywhere, but generally more of a peaceful vibe, right?
00:26:40.000Like Buddhist nations and Buddhist countries, a little bit more, obviously, flaws with everything.
00:27:06.000I don't understand why that way of thinking emerged in the East and that connection with the self emerged in the East versus what happened in the West, which was basically decimation of a previous religion,
00:27:23.000paganism, whatever you want to call it, earth-based religion, connection with life and nature.
00:27:28.000What's really interesting to me about that is that the DNA of paganism is still in the system.
00:27:40.000I'm sure we've talked about this in the podcast, but it's something I marvel over all the time.
00:27:44.000I think about it a lot, which is the Catholic Mass.
00:27:47.000When you look at the Catholic Mass, And you look at the New Testament, the Last Supper, and you look at, you realize like in the fucking Synoptic Gospels, in any of the Gospels, There's nowhere that Jesus is saying,
00:28:03.000what you do is take a piece of bread and utter these prayers over it to create my flesh that then you eat.
00:29:14.000Well, I mean, they said, yeah, they said, you know, this is the flesh of God.
00:29:18.000Eat this and you'll remember who you truly are.
00:29:21.000And they gave you the psychedelic and you took it and you merged back into the divine and realized your true identity.
00:29:28.000So that for the rest of the week you were able to hang out with people and not be a complete asshole because you know you share the same soul and that you're basically made of love as opposed to thinking that you and I are separate and that we're mostly sinful evil things whose flesh is impure.
00:29:47.000I mean that's another fucking sweet gift that came from Fundamentalist Christianity is the concept that our bodies are evil.
00:29:56.000We can't be naked around each other even now.
00:29:59.000You can't take your clothes off around people without seeming completely insane.
00:30:06.000If you go outside in your fundamental body that you were born into the universe with, you will get arrested.
00:30:16.000Like, you can't walk around as you are.
00:30:19.000You have to cover it in clothes, or you're considered to be a fucking pervert nudist.
00:30:25.000So yeah, the fundamental vehicle that our soul rides around in is considered profane.
00:30:33.000Dude, and like, you see a fucking dick when you're like walking down the street, some dude decided, you're like, oh!
00:30:40.000Meanwhile, you can see a dick accidentally at the bathroom, and it doesn't bother you.
00:30:43.000It doesn't bother you, because in the bathroom it's okay for a moment to profane the world with your fucking dick.
00:30:50.000So it's like, that's the, when you start really looking at all the traces of not just pagan culture, but just insanity from a fundamentalist perspective of the universe that has its roots in what appears to be a misunderstanding of a really beautiful story,
00:31:10.000Yeah, not just a misunderstanding, but probably a conscious misrepresentation of the original story that's molded to suit whoever's needs is in charge at the moment.
00:32:34.000You're doing ritual magic and you're doing something that's been going on for a very long time, probably before 1079. That dude wasn't just like sitting around and like, hey, I got an idea.
00:32:44.000Let's start saying prayer over the bread and the bread's going to turn into flesh.
00:32:48.000It was more like, hey, you know, we've been meeting, doing these rituals secretly.
00:32:53.000Why don't we just incorporate the story of Christianity into this ritual that we've been doing for a very long time to sort of Purify ourselves by connecting to the universe and acknowledging the fact that existence itself is predicated on devouring the flesh of some other being.
00:33:14.000Not, you know, like we're always in the process of inhaling the universe, exhaling the universe, eating each other.
00:33:22.000The universe is eating itself, and so the Mass is this ritualized version of like, behold, we're eating the flesh of God in everything we do, and there's something really beautiful about that.
00:33:32.000I mean, there's no getting around Life Eats Life.
00:33:36.000Even the various factions of people on the left and the right and people that are animal rights activists versus people that are butchers.
00:33:48.000You're all eating something that's alive.
00:33:50.000I mean, you can make the distinction that the plants aren't suffering like the animals do, and that's why it's okay.
00:33:58.000It's probably a less extreme form of suffering, but it also might just be a completely misunderstood life form.
00:34:04.000They're finding out so much about plant communication, and I've read so many things about that I hesitate to talk about it because I really want to have all my T's sliced and, you know, I's dotted because it's such a complex issue, but it appears that they communicate.
00:34:19.000It appears that there's almost like that they're using the soil and the fungus in the soil and the mycelium.
00:34:38.000This guy gave me this thing called a midi sprout, which is...
00:34:42.000It picks up, I guess, the bioelectricity of plants, or anything for that matter, but plants, I've got it.
00:34:48.000You stick it on your plant, and it goes into, like, whatever your music system is, and it translates it into MIDI, so you can turn the electricity of your plant into music.
00:35:32.000Instead of looking at it, I guess, on an oscilloscope or whatever you would look at that with, It's turning into audio so you can hear the pulsating kind of like rhythmic flow.
00:35:43.000So that that's measuring electrical currents in the plant?
00:39:00.000I love the, in different psychedelic states, I love how you witness how your consciousness is forming your reality in the most extreme way.
00:39:10.000Not as though, like, you're producing matter with your thoughts or anything like that, but you can watch this undulation or this flow going from when you're getting negative and dark.
00:39:22.000And it's interesting how different psychedelics portray this phenomena, but so like on acid, I might see, depending if I'm taking a high enough dose, you start seeing the faces and the stucco of your ceiling, you know?
00:39:36.000And it's like, when you start getting really depressive or scared, then the faces start doing like, whoa!
00:39:44.000Like hissing at you and they sink in and they, or even when you're looking at yourself in the mirror, similar things happens as you're just watching the way that your projection that's coming from the incessant flow of thoughts in your mind is reflecting on the reality itself.
00:40:01.000And it's a constant like shifting of light that sometimes is like looking into the Deepest layers of hell, but then sometimes you see the most beautiful, sweet, incredible things because you're not being freaked out by the flow of thoughts in your mind.
00:40:18.000That's the number one trick, you know?
00:40:20.000This is why now in my old age, I really do understand why a good practice, meditation, chanting, whatever it may be, pairs so nicely with psychedelics.
00:40:33.000Because if you have one without the other, well, you're missing out.
00:40:40.000Go into some pretty terrifying places that don't resolve in the way that they could, potentially, if you are doing the work, putting in the time before you take the psychedelic, you know?
00:40:52.000Not to sound like an old fucking guy, like, ah, you gotta get, you know, meditate and then take, but it does help a lot.
00:40:58.000Well, there's a weird way that we want to dismiss it because it seems almost like a pompous thing to ever say you meditate or you encourage people to meditate.
00:41:08.000It's the same as I always have a cringy thing when I tell people to do yoga.
00:41:12.000Like, oh my God, am I going to say this again?
00:41:37.000And you're running, huffing and puffing, and you make it, and you check your pulse, and you recover quick, and you go and do another hill run.
00:42:27.000The problem with even talking about it is you sound virtue signally and pompous, but when you hear Ram Dass talk about meditation, he will say, meditate when you want to meditate.
00:42:41.000If it seems like something that appeals to you, give it a shot.
00:42:48.000The definition of it itself, what's funny is when you think about meditation, your mind will summon up something that you think meditation looks like.
00:42:57.000So you think, ah, it means like sitting down on a cushion with some fucking candles, or it means like whatever it is that your mind summons up.
00:43:05.000And usually it's pretty austere, and usually it's pretty, it requires like a temple or a space in your house, or it's insane.
00:43:46.000I always just said that about martial arts, that I believe that martial arts were a moving form of meditation.
00:43:51.000But that doesn't mean, like, stationary meditation isn't different and give you another very valuable thing and a different valuable thing.
00:44:09.000When people start meditating, they think, I'm doing this because I want to be a better person.
00:44:14.000And she said, that's actually an aggression against the self that you are right now.
00:44:21.000To be like, yeah, that you're actually being aggressive to your own self.
00:44:27.000She said, meditation is not so that we become a better person.
00:44:31.000It's so that we're able to be who we are in the moment fully.
00:44:36.000And to begin to experience fully what it is that's happening inside of us.
00:44:42.000Because for a lot of people, what's going down is that there is a...
00:44:47.000Dude, this reminds me, I just watched the Texas fucking Chainsaw Massacre.
00:44:51.000It's probably like the 16th time I've seen it but like I watched it and like man I had a very strong mint tea and like I was watching it and was like oh my god this is fucking unbearable like I can't deal with it I'm gonna go crazy watching this fucking thing like the woman who by the end is all bug-eyed and covered in blood and like she's lost her mind because these Texas fucking cannibals have like driven her insane I'm feeling like that but then I realized like oh my god That
00:45:21.000woman running from Leatherface and the whole family, freaking out and screaming, how many people are secretly that woman inside of themselves constantly running in terror from parts of themselves that they can't deal with or acknowledge or look at?
00:45:38.000So meditation is kind of like going into yourself To that creepy ranch house in the middle of nowhere in your heart and then exploring the places that you don't want to go into.
00:46:06.000pain sorrow regret regret you know and it's going in there not being like i'm gonna fix what i fucked up seven years ago because this is not time travel but what i'm gonna do is for 10 minutes five minutes i'm gonna let myself feel this thing that i've been trying not to feel by distracting myself with an incessant flow of thoughts right and that that That is when you start lightening up a little bit because really all
00:47:24.000It's funny that you bring up Mr. Rogers, because here's one of the things that I was going to say when we were talking about gun control and violence and all the different issues in this world.
00:47:33.000One thing that we don't concentrate on Is promoting being nicer.
00:48:00.000Get a fucking heavy bag, go run hills, go to yoga class, eat better, stop drinking so much coffee or alcohol or sugar, whatever your vice is that's fucking with your body.
00:48:13.000Get your body in order and get your mind in order and just be nicer to each other.
00:48:21.000If people just overall decided, you know what, male, female, whatever the fuck, whoever you're talking to, let's just be nicer to each other.
00:48:34.000Like, there's no government officials, there's no big State of the Union address and go, ladies and gentlemen, our problems that we have with each other are ridiculous.
00:49:14.000And I I'm sorry to interrupt you, but I have to tell you this.
00:49:18.000Did you hear about this Canadian couple?
00:49:19.000There's a gay couple that had twins, and they did it through a surrogate, and they mixed up their jizz so that no one knew whose jizz was whose.
00:49:29.000Well, one guy's an American citizen, and one guy's not.
00:49:33.000So the kids were born, and they did a DNA test on the kids because they wanted to find out whether or not one of those kids was a dirty Canadian.
00:53:50.000So you stand in front of him, and he looks at you and like does some kind of soul scan, and if he decides you're ready to experience the psychic effects of witnessing dudes sliding through cum, Because it's not as though he's trying to keep it cool in there,
00:54:10.000but he's also trying to keep people from losing their minds.
00:54:13.000Because the one wrong person goes into the sub-basement and sees a bunch of people huffing Tupperware shit and sliding through jizz.
00:54:26.000That could lead you straight to fucking mail bomb land.
00:54:29.000You could just end up in a cabin Building devices of destruction.
00:54:34.000That's probably what happened to Kaczynski.
00:54:35.000If you took any of the people from the Trumpy Bear commercial and put them in that gay club while those guys are smelling each other's shit and Tupperwares and jizzing on the floor and pissing on each other, if they just wandered into there accidentally...
00:57:03.000They've made a comedy sketch that's comedy for people like...
00:57:08.000Anybody who's paying attention, but for people so dumb that they don't realize it's a comedy sketch, and they think the way the people in the video think, it's like a honeypot for dum-dums.
00:57:20.000Yeah, it's brilliant, because on one level it's like a really funny sketch, on the other level it's just like, people are like, God damn, I've always wanted a Trumpy bear.
00:57:28.000So they make this bear, they sell this bear, they pretend that they're all patriotic, and they just made the dumb...
00:58:08.000We make really shitty predictions whenever I come on your show about what's going to happen usually, but what do you think is going to happen with Mueller and Trump?
00:58:26.000That, to me, seems to be one of the craziest things a president's ever done, is literally have beef with the FBI to the point where the FBI foils a terrorist attack in San Francisco, and the president doesn't even mention it on TV, doesn't praise them,
00:58:41.000doesn't make a big deal about how good our government is, that we've been able to stop these terrorists, and this is one of the reasons why I wanted to build this wall in the first place and tighten up illegal immigration.
00:58:50.000This is an opportunity to prove his point.
01:00:02.000I wish we had a perfect relationship with all the other nations and everybody just decided to work together for the survival of the species as a whole.
01:00:09.000And we weren't so concentrating on owning resources, taking over governments, and controlling parts of the world that have, you know, things that we're trying to steal or get or buy.
01:00:20.000So as long as it is, you're going to need the FBI, you're going to need intelligence community, you're going to need the Army, you're going to need the Navy, you're going to need the Marines, you're going to need the Air Force.
01:00:28.000But don't the FBI, they police the police.
01:01:35.000Oh, we're going to investigate where your penis has been, you dirty, dirty boy.
01:01:39.000In between killing strangers, you're out there putting your penis in the wrong person.
01:01:43.000We can take all the accidental drone deaths you got for us, but what we can't take is you shooting your dirty, dirty semen inside another woman.
01:01:53.000You will only express love for one woman in this world.
01:01:58.000You can only feel love for one person at a time, and you're definitely not going to put that general cock in anyone else but Lydia Petraeus, your wife.
01:02:27.000I mean, that's really where we enter into the land of absurdity.
01:02:30.000Well, this is where it got really absurd.
01:02:31.000Like, you know, people that think that there's some grand scheme to protect people and protect generals.
01:02:37.000Dude, there's video of him when he was walking from City College in New York where he was teaching, and he'd have to walk down the street to where he was going, and the students were surrounding him, screaming at him, calling him a war criminal.
01:04:13.000You would think that the amount of influence that guy had, I mean, that guy was one of the top generals, if not the top general in the country, right?
01:04:39.000Michael Hastings was a journalist who was embedded, I believe it was in Iraq, it might have been in Afghanistan, but he was embedded in the Middle East somewhere and something happened.
01:04:59.000He was trapped over there with that, and they got way too comfortable with him.
01:05:04.000And so they started talking around this journalist the way they always talk.
01:05:07.000And he was joking around about Obama and making fun of Obama.
01:05:11.000And they said a bunch of shit they probably shouldn't have said.
01:05:13.000But that's just what fucking soldiers say when they're over there risking their goddamn lives for something they probably don't even understand.
01:05:18.000You would want them to believe this is all for a good cause.
01:05:21.000You would want them to believe everything that their general tells them, and if they gotta fucking crack some jokes at the president's expense to alleviate a little stress while we're out there killing strangers, no.
01:05:44.000Michael Hastings starts telling everybody, look, my life is in danger.
01:05:47.000He's like, people are threatening my life on a daily basis.
01:05:49.000If anything happens to me, I did not commit suicide.
01:05:52.000Cut to him driving down, I think it was sunset, car going uncontrollably fast, slamming into a tree, the car exploding, the engine flying from the car.
01:06:24.000Meanwhile, there's people that have said with absolute certainty that with today's cars, it is incredibly possible Absolutely, credibly possible to control the car from a remote place and make the car do what you want to.
01:06:45.000But we, I mean, this is, I love this line of this direction we're going in here, man.
01:06:50.000Because you, it's great because it's like, this to me where it gets really, remember that thing that people would always say, the government is always, what is it, five years ahead, seven years ahead?
01:07:00.000Remember it, I have a tattoo in my ass.
01:07:13.000So, where it gets really interesting is when you start thinking about what that means in relation to computer intelligence and AI, and you start realizing, man, whatever the shit is that they have access to at this point,
01:07:31.000Compared to what we think they have access to is so powerful, and so dangerous, that anybody who they want to take out, anybody they want to take out, they can take out.
01:07:56.000And keeping secrets from people and that's just generally it's a bad idea across the board for humans It's just bad for our human nature and for groups to have ultimate power of surveillance who just look into your life It's I mean Edward Snowden proved it.
01:08:09.000It's it's obviously it's too easy It's too easy for people that work there to check on their ex-girlfriends do you think there's secret societies out there that we're not really aware of?
01:08:21.000Well, if they're secret societies that we're aware of, that's because someone along the line opened their fucking trap.
01:09:01.000I don't know if they, like, put you in a funeral garb or whatever, but my guess is, like, I mean, if it was me, I'd be like, you know, I prefer to be naked.
01:09:08.000If you're gonna fucking splatter chisel over this fucking thing.
01:09:11.000I want you to be weirded out looking at my dick.
01:09:57.000Because they have around them this impermeable wall of wealth.
01:10:01.000Like, you're not going to get in there.
01:10:03.000Like, places that have membership fees that are like $600,000 a year.
01:10:09.000Like, Yeah, I know a guy who lives in one of those gated communities that has a golf course, and the golf course costs a quarter million dollars a year.
01:10:41.000You got all the different languages covered, the different styles, you could have gay nannies, straight nannies, see what the kid likes.
01:10:47.000But that's, when you think about that, that there are these enclaves of wealth that are compounds surrounded by not just like financial walls, but literal walls with armed guards standing around the walls.
01:11:01.000And inside these compounds, Our communities as a servant class, there are communities of servants that are having to serve these hyper-wealthy people.
01:12:36.000She knows more than that because what ends up happening in these compounds is you do start knowing things and you start knowing real things.
01:12:45.000Yeah, you start getting the real downloads about what's actually happening, because these little fucking compounds, all those people are connected to each other.
01:12:53.000They send each other Christmas cards, and they go to each other's parties and stuff, and they talk, and they know stuff, man.
01:13:01.000You see the way Luther looked at the nanny?
01:15:06.000He gave up the linked emails that show that the Clinton campaign absolutely worked their fucking black magic to get Bernie Sanders knocked on.
01:16:34.000See, this is why I think it would be scary to be friends with a billionaire.
01:16:39.000It would be scary to be friends with someone way up at the upper ups because you almost don't want that level of access.
01:16:48.000It's almost like, Look, man, you guys fucking do whatever you're doing up in your compounds, drink from the Iron Skull, come on the fucking coffins, open the portals, pull out the squids.
01:17:48.000And you tap that little cigar and they bring over a cognac and you sift cognac like a gentleman and you talk about where you're hiding your money.
01:17:56.000You talk about how you got rid of the syphilis before the wife found out.
01:18:00.000You talk about how you're helping Trump get into position to make sure that you could drill in Africa or wherever the fuck you're going to do it.
01:22:24.000You're not even gonna want to have regular sex.
01:22:26.000If you could, if I could give you the gift of being able to travel through space, wherever you wanted to go, but you had a nub down there, your cock's gone.
01:22:34.000No, I'd be like Dr. Manhattan, just sitting on Mars by myself, all bored.
01:23:50.000No, I think you're going to, you're accidentally going to get access for some reason.
01:23:55.000I think somebody's going to give you something or show you something and you're in like, I worry about you, man.
01:24:01.000Because it's like, yeah, because you've got like, you now have A platform that is unlike any platform that's happened, you know, because you're doing like a comedy podcast, radio show style thing, but you're also interviewing people about really heavy-duty shit.
01:24:19.000And sure, you like pepper it up with freaks like me from time to time.
01:24:38.000If I have my all-time favorite group of people, if I had, like, a handful of 10 people to pick forever, just do podcasts with them forever, you are 100% on that list.
01:25:07.000But dude, I'm telling you, knowing all this shit...
01:25:10.000And there's so many times when we've done this podcast where you and I have started talking, and the hair stands up on my arm, and I'm like, dude, we shouldn't be talking about some of this shit.
01:25:25.000And then sometimes, I'll admit this to you, sometimes when I'm super stunned, I'm thinking about all the podcasts we've done, sometimes I think to myself, fuck Maybe Joe does know something like maybe you did End up getting some kind of little like shoulder rub with them where they're like not literally your shoulder up you just brush shoulders and they were like Hey,
01:26:37.000Remember when we did that show, the sci-fi show?
01:26:39.000But it was kind of, as the show progressed, we became increasingly sort of despondent upon realizing, because we're both so retarded that we thought maybe we were going to find an alien.
01:27:18.000From the first UFO guy to the first chemtrail guy.
01:27:22.000To the first Bigfoot guy, they were all either liars or delusional or they had errors in their thinking.
01:27:28.000And then occasionally we would talk to a guy like that one dude that we met that was in the trailer that told us about the balls that would fly through the air.
01:28:07.000But this ball lightning is not only possible, it's been observed many, many times, and it's even happened inside of an airplane, where it floated down the aisle inside of an airplane, and multiple people witnessed it.
01:28:19.000People have seen ball lightning, they've gotten video of ball lightning, and what it looks like is exactly what that guy was describing to us, that this thing came through his house and then just disappeared.
01:28:35.000And I think that area, near that Skinwalker Ranch place in particular, is, for whatever causes that phenomenon, it happens more frequently in that area.
01:29:04.000Do you ever do this game, this is a fun game, where you start thinking about who the smartest person on the planet must be, like the Continuum of Intelligence game, where you start thinking like, okay, I know I land somewhere on the Continuum of Intelligence, I know there's people that are probably not quite as smart as I am.
01:29:18.000And I know there's people who are way fucking smarter than I am.
01:29:21.000And then you start thinking to yourself, who are those people?
01:29:27.000And then you start thinking, see this is what I'd think about if I were you.
01:29:30.000Then you start thinking like, fuck man, I've got this podcast that lots of people listen to.
01:29:37.000Has it ever happened where maybe some really intelligent person has manipulated me in an attempt to get me to disseminate some kind of information out into the world?
01:30:16.000But it's fun to think, because it's like this, like, okay, like, let's imagine, for the sake of just fun, we've established they're these fucking billionaires, and they live in these compounds, and they, and we've also established that certainly people like Michael Hastings and other people,
01:31:19.000With Occam's Razor, with these kinds of things, is just think, okay, I have $100,000, and I'm going to put bets in this awesome casino where the truth is revealed.
01:31:30.000So, are you going to put the money down on him being assassinated?
01:31:34.000Are you going to put the money down on him being on speed and driving into a tree after he said, if I commit suicide, it's not a suicide?
01:33:51.000It's got to be better than just knowing you're being bullshitted.
01:33:54.000So many of them are just so obviously bullshitting you that you're listening to these canned fucking speeches and you're like, goddammit, I don't resonate with you at all.
01:38:25.000I think if you put those kind of restrictions on intensely poor people, some of them in some parts of the country, they're in terrible poverty.
01:38:33.000And you tell them they can only have one kid?
01:42:13.000I just can't think that all gay people are the same.
01:42:18.000Why would you not think that some gay people would be good at all kinds of things?
01:42:22.000There's gonna be gay people that are great carpenters.
01:42:25.000There's gonna be gay people just like straight people.
01:42:28.000There's gonna be awesome ones, and there's gonna be ones that are fucked up.
01:42:32.000The idea that they wouldn't be good parents.
01:42:35.000Wouldn't you rather have two gay parents that loved you than a mother that's a fucking crackhead and a dad that's a piece of shit and beats you?
01:42:43.000Two gay people that let you be yourself.
01:44:11.000Where, like, they each had their hands on the other's belt loops, like, anchoring in, and they were just grinding on each other and kissing, and I was just, I was in my car, I was like, oh, Jesus!
01:45:37.000How long before you start adding cock into the equation?
01:45:41.000Well, I think if we did an experiment where we both took a journey like that, where I'll see you, we'll be just like we are now, but it would be 100,000 years of whatever you want later, okay?
01:45:54.000We'll show up 100,000 years from now, you'll have dick on your breath, and I won't.
01:46:02.000I would have gone through the whole hundred thousand years with no gay sex, because I could do whatever I want.
01:47:35.000I know it seems weird, but it'll get you minty.
01:47:38.000I will fully admit that at the end of the 100,000 years, I've sucked dicks in the sex simulator, but the fact that you think you haven't, I would like to do a poll.
01:49:17.000He does this great thought experiment, which is like, okay, if you were able to do anything you wanted, you've definitely heard this.
01:49:25.000But if you were able to do anything you wanted, if you were an infinite being, omnipotent, and you could do whatever you want, You would experiment with making everything, and you would try everything, and you would do everything.
01:49:36.000You're literally in this state of creative flow for infinity.
01:49:40.000And he has a great lecture that I'm going to butcher.
01:49:43.000You should look it up, because he's such an articulate genius.
01:49:47.000But the essence of the thing is, eventually, Eventually.
01:49:51.000Upon doing everything and creating a universe and creating planets and creating a planet where there's life on it and being a God that communicates with the beings on the planet, you're going to start thinking to yourself, I wonder what would happen if I made myself one of the beings on the planet and couldn't remember that I was God.
01:50:09.000And that's what you are, that's what we are, is we are one of the experiments of the Divine seeing, shit, I wonder what happens if I forget that I'm capable of creating anything that I want whenever I want, that I've made the entire universe.
01:50:22.000Let me turn myself into this hyper-limited version of myself with no memory of what I was and play that game at that level, because it's a lot more fun, it's amusing, it's exciting, right?
01:50:33.000And that's when Alan Watts starts talking about Which cocks he would simulate inside that machine?
01:50:58.000His scientific dissection Of what's happening with media and what's happening with technology and where the future lies is so fascinating because it's from the 1960s.
01:51:15.000And he's talking about the media is the message, I think is the name of the lecture in the book.
01:51:21.000That was the same book where he wrote one of my all-time favorite quotes that human beings are the sex organs of the machine world Like this guy had no internet.
01:51:30.000He had I mean nothing was like anything to the most electronics they had was a goddamn calculator Yeah, they had nothing the computers they had were giant rooms filled with shit, you know like yeah, but somehow or another he saw where it was all going He was seeing things And pointing things out just with the very nature of our ability to communicate and our ability to innovate and where it was all headed.
01:52:06.000Where people can just find out the answer to, like we've done so far today, about scientific questions, about Descartes, and fucking periods that this was constructed, and when did this happen, and 1079, what?
01:52:22.000You're getting a download unlike anybody that's ever lived.
01:52:43.000And the only thing that's keeping it all glued together is tradition.
01:52:46.000The only thing that's keeping the hierarchies into the position of power they're at right now without being completely abandoned and restructured from the bottom up, the only thing that's keeping them together is tradition.
01:52:57.000The only thing that's keeping government and just borders and nations and the whole concept that we're existing, that there are a bunch of different countries and there's a bunch of different leaders and this guy controls the truth.
01:53:11.000The only thing that's keeping that together is tradition.
01:54:09.000He just came out again saying that he thinks that the opioid epidemic, as they call it, is being partially fueled by marijuana as a gateway drug.
01:54:20.000That marijuana is getting people onto painkillers, which is a completely...
01:54:26.000I mean, not only is it wrong, it's like they can show...
01:54:31.000Statistics that seem to indicate that...
01:54:35.000But that crazy fuck is saying it publicly like it's real and it's not.
01:54:41.000And just the fact that, like, that man is allowed...
01:54:46.000to continue having his job which theoretically somebody who's in his position should be so hyper aware of the data on all drugs because a person in that position we need a person just like you're saying we need shepherds like this fucking fentanyl shit man yes one of my friends he lost his his his wife to this so many people are dying because of this like we know a couple people that are dying from it It's terrible.
01:56:34.000And if they're willing to abandon their previous notions.
01:56:37.000But the problem is so many people are so invested in their identity that it's impossible for them to give up their notions.
01:56:43.000Just like the Egyptologists that don't want to look at the possibility that maybe they've been doing these fantastic constructions in Egypt a lot longer than we think.
01:56:56.000No one's doubting that the Great Pyramid of Giza was constructed somewhere around 2500 BC, according to all the data that we have right now.
01:57:05.000Because they've been able to carbon date stuff that they find in between the stones.
01:57:08.000They're pretty sure that it's somewhere in that range.
01:57:10.000They're off here or there a little bit.
01:57:12.000But there's some other construction that...
01:57:14.000John Anthony West pointed out that's buried under sand they find.
01:57:18.000It might have been buried for who knows how fucking long.
01:57:21.000And it's a different style of construction.
01:57:36.000One of the people that is in some of the ancient hieroglyphs, it's attributed to being alive at the same time as a scroll, I forget which pharaoh, but he heard in a dream that if he uncovered the Sphinx,
01:57:52.000that he would become pharaoh of Egypt, because it was covered in sand.
01:57:56.000Like, he had written down at that time, and this was like 2000 BC or something crazy like that, it was covered in sand back then.
01:59:10.000Using images of windblown sediments, sediments produced by running water and bedrock seen by radar beneath the desert sands, the geologists pieced together the profile of an ancient mega lake.
02:00:38.000Is that, not the problem with the moon, but if you jump on the moon, you can escape the escape, like it's easier to get out of the escape velocity of the moon?
02:01:19.000I don't know if it just looks fake because it's 1-6 the Earth's gravity and we don't know what that really looks like until you see it play out.
02:01:25.000But there's some videos of guys falling down face first and getting yanked back up.
02:01:29.000It looks like they're yanked by cords.
02:01:30.000Have you seen that picture of the thing that looks like...
02:03:11.000And I think some of the video, if you're going into space and you're experiencing deep radiation, the Van Allen radiation belts and from the sun.
02:03:17.000Dude, you can't even go through the fucking x-ray machine at the airport.
02:03:23.000Because if you went through with film, it would kill your fucking film.
02:03:26.000So how are they getting these perfect videos and photos and none of them are fucked up by radiation?
02:03:30.000It's entirely possible that they did go to the moon, but they faked a bunch of the film footage because they wanted to have something and they couldn't really bring anything back.
02:05:57.000I saw a few breakdowns of the moon landing, too, that said it would be way, way, way harder to fake it back then than it would have been to actually just do it.
02:07:39.000But still, they recorded over the original tapes of the fucking moon landing.
02:07:44.000How much of a shortage of magnetic tape do you have where you're going to record over all of the video from the motherfucking moon landing?
02:08:39.000And then you went through a phase because of the podcast and having a lot of conversations with different people or something happened where you started shifting your ideas and thinking we did go to the moon.
02:08:49.000No, I started shifting my ideas about everything.
02:08:51.000The moon landing is just an example that's an extreme example of a position I took that I think represents...
02:09:11.000There's a bunch of weird shit connected to it.
02:09:13.000How about the fact that they gave a fucking moon rock to, what was it, the Prime Minister of Holland?
02:09:19.000Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin and Michael Collins signed on this plaque and they gave this moon rock to this guy in Holland and it turned out to be petrified wood.
02:09:33.000There's so much weird shit connected to the moon landing that it makes you go like, wow, the creepy speeches that Neil Armstrong gave 25 years after the moon landing, talking about uncovering hidden truths, truth-protective layers that are,
02:09:48.000you know, Ooh, great deeds that can be done to those who can remove one of truth's protective layers.
02:11:31.000You look at the videos of guys falling down, getting yanked back up and bouncing around like they're on trampolines in some videos where they're hiding behind the lunar rover.
02:11:47.000How come I can't get a fucking regular camera through the radar machine, the x-ray machine at the airport, but you guys can fly through the radiation of space, and that shit comes out, but, well, those cameras were insulated.
02:13:35.000It's the Nazis doing some kind of thing where they're like trying to fake the moon landing?
02:13:40.000Like it's somehow attached to the Nazis?
02:13:42.000I think the Nazis were the best rocket scientists available, right?
02:13:47.000Or one of them, other than the ones that we had here and then the ones the Russians had.
02:13:50.000There was a lot of competition to get the best rocket scientists.
02:13:53.000But some of the best rocket scientists were in Nazi Germany.
02:13:55.000So when Nazi Germany fell, Operation Paperclip took place.
02:13:59.000And in Operation Paperclip, they brought a number of Nazi scientists from Germany secretly to America.
02:14:06.000And one of them they put as the head of fucking NASA! Yeah, this is where it gets really cool.
02:14:11.000Someone's explaining all this to me about how basically the thing is like, okay, you think in World War II that we just rounded up all the Nazis and they just disappeared.
02:14:22.000And it's like, where do you think all the Nazis went?
02:14:25.000What about the ones who are really good at making cool shit?
02:14:32.000I'm so sorry to ask, Jimmy, but do you mind looking up Bayer Aspirin and Cyclone B? And the Jewish slaves, I think, working for Bayer Aspirin.
02:14:41.000But when you look at a lot of the ideas that the Nazis didn't really go anywhere, they just started corporations and some of the biggest corporations we have right now.
02:14:51.000Do you know why Cyclone B is Cyclone B? Because Zyklon B took the smell out of it.
02:14:56.000Zyklon A was the stuff that had an agent in it that made it smell terrible, so you could smell it.
02:15:01.000So when they used it to gas the people in the concentration camps, they changed it so that it was undetectable.
02:15:16.000The Bear Aspen Company has finally apologized for the inhumane acts of its parent firm, including using Jewish slave laborers during the Holocaust.
02:16:13.000And this is one of the reasons people are freaking out about the kind of, like, friendly emergence of some people who are, like, clearly white nationalists, who are just kind of, like, being, like, interestingly accepted and embraced for, you know, let's at least have a rational conversation about how you want to start a white ethnostate,
02:17:10.000But I think like, for example, when you look at Trump's reaction when they were saying, asking about the KKK, and he's like, I'm not going to talk shit about this group.
02:17:37.000And that's one of the white nationalist groups picked up on that and said specifically that Trump didn't criticize them specifically, so this was a good thing.
02:17:47.000The whole thing was very good for them.
02:17:48.000It was like a white nationalist group said that.
02:17:50.000But that could have been just him just not doing a good job Preparing what he's going to say about something and talking off the cuff, which I think he does with most things.
02:18:01.000I think that guy does most of his shit off the cuff.
02:18:46.000Like, I don't want there to be a like, well, maybe he does have some kind of ideas that are based around the importance of upholding European culture and making sure that we do everything we can to prevent people from having sex with people from other races.
02:19:01.000I don't want there to be any question.
02:19:03.000But like, I have zero problem with Everyone humping everybody whenever they want, mixing the paints and doing whatever.
02:22:56.000But if you find something in space and you can prove that this thing exists, it was a living organism, a primitive organism that's on Mars.
02:23:03.000So we know that some life existed on Mars.
02:23:07.000And then take it another step further.
02:23:08.000If you ran into some dude who was jerking off in your apartment building, you just open the wrong door and some dude's in there jerking off and he's screaming at you and he's an old man, he's got a tank top on.
02:24:18.000So if that's the case, why can't there be a possibility on the moon of an old dude who eats dirt and he's got a tank top and spaghetti stains on it, he's knuckling up on the moon.
02:25:27.000We're seeing cascading levels of absurdity and like the more that it the more that Absurdity happens the more normal it seems and that's kind of this is what I've been thinking is like What what the apocalypse really looks like because everybody thinks when you think about the apocalypse when I think about the apocalypse I think of meteors Volcanoes,
02:25:48.000the classics, you know, the ocean dying, like, just cataclysms, right?
02:25:54.000But, really, it's like more, like, absurdity starts avalanching into time to the point where things start happening so quickly that we can't even catch up.
02:26:05.000Like, now we gotta deal with the fact there's a fucking Tesla infinitely flying through space.
02:26:10.000Right, what if it slams into a spaceship that's coming to visit us?
02:28:54.000That's the funny thing about existing on the planet is because everybody walks around imagining that the world that we're living in is permanent and stable.
02:29:05.000And not just our world, not just society, but your own life.
02:29:08.000Like, people walk around through their own fucking life.
02:29:11.000This is the thing I was thinking about, that terrible, it keeps happening, but the Amtrak train crash?
02:29:16.000Because it's like, when you think about that You're just going to work.
02:29:21.000Here's the thing that disturbed me the most, and it's disturbing me a lot lately.
02:29:27.000People that were on the left were saying that they were happy that it happened, that God had done something to kill these politicians because there was a lot of right-wing...
02:30:52.000So basically the idea is like, You know, like in fundamentalism of any sort, really like the idea is when you're saying that you're religious, you're not really interested in another person's soul or saving another person.
02:31:09.000What you're interested in doing is creating an ethical hierarchy that you can dominate by being at the top of the ethical hierarchy.
02:31:16.000So what you're running into with this shit that you're talking about is people who don't really seem so concerned with how society is supposed to be as much as using their refined system that they've come up with,
02:31:32.000which is like they call being woke or you know what I mean?
02:31:59.000Because they feel they misunderstand him and they think that Jordan Peterson hates transgendered people, I think, or they think that he's like alt-right.
02:32:13.000They think that he's like some kind of alt-right spokesman.
02:32:16.000And the truth of the matter is, I don't fully know all of the spectrum of Jordan Peterson's views on things, because it would take me a very long time to do that.
02:32:28.000I know it was really cool for him to come on my podcast, and I know we had a really great conversation that didn't really talk about that stuff.
02:32:35.000Right, but it didn't fit the narrative that they want.
02:32:37.000The narrative that they want is that he's a hateful person, and that he hates transgender people, and that he's a bigot, and that he's this right-wing, alt-right poster boy.
02:32:47.000The problem is people aren't willing to adjust that.
02:32:49.000Once they stand on that stance, once they have that position, that this is, I'm left-wing, this guy's right-wing, he's a pig, he's ruining things, they just make up their mind.
02:33:02.000Imagine Jordan Peterson and I don't honestly I don't know but just imagine there is a piece of him That doesn't for whatever reason like it.
02:33:13.000I'm not saying this isn't I have no I'm not implying it either I'm just saying imagine fucking Jordan Peterson.
02:33:18.000I don't know I'm trying to think of some offensive Thing that he just imagine he had some piece of him right that was definitely Politically not correct, right?
02:33:32.000That doesn't mean that all the other shit he's saying is invalidated by some piece of him, because people are made up of lots of different pieces.
02:33:41.000Well, that's basically, in a way, I'm not categorizing Jordan Peterson the way you categorize Descartes, but that's what he was saying.
02:34:26.000Yeah, but the idea that we have gotten to the point now where just like free-balling and throwing around ideas, just like we've done all over the place here.
02:34:36.000I guarantee you when I look at Twitter, there's going to be at least like five people being like, you fucking cuck piece of shit, only because like I'm throwing around ideas, because my hope is through that process, I'm gonna get closer to the truth and I'm gonna be able to look at myself like what you said about the cock The coke boy.
02:35:17.000But I like having these kinds of interactions with friends because it helps me adjust.
02:35:23.000Even though I don't have any real animosity for the Koch brother, from that kind of thing I can look at my own fucking pattern and be like, whoa, shit, yeah, that's something to think about because I could be more compassionate there.
02:35:33.000So my point is, What ends up happening and what leads to someone who started off being, you know, who considers themselves part of a group that's trying to stop war, that spawned the hippie movement, and now they're like thankful that a train accident happened.
02:36:37.000It's the same reason why those Egyptologists were rejecting these ideas from John Anthony West and Robert Shaw because they weren't a part of the tribe.
02:36:43.000These new people coming in with some shit that they didn't figure out on their own.
02:36:47.000There's a thing that people do on whether it's male versus female.
02:36:51.000You're seeing a lot of this when it comes to this Me Too stuff.
02:36:53.000One of the weirdest things that happens is that you start getting this divide where the men are mad at the women and the women are the mad at the men.
02:36:59.000Even people that are non-offenders and non-victims.
02:37:04.000And yes, it's good that people are being exposed for doing bad things to people, but it's also very dangerous for us to just, men and women, be on opposite teams.
02:37:46.000It would be really nice if we all just agreed to be nicer to each other, and just have it as a conversation that the country has, and then ultimately the world has.
02:37:55.000But that list of things you just gave before that, I think that all fits into the category of being kind to yourself.
02:38:01.000And I think that the way you're gonna learn to be nice to other people is by learning how to be kinder to yourself.
02:38:06.000And being kind to yourself means treating your body better.
02:38:13.000And like, this is actually one of the things This guy Jack Kornfield taught me, which I like a lot because I was talking to him about, man, you know, I want to fucking get in shape and like I feel bad because I want to be more in shape and he's like, okay, but the way you're talking about it, you're hating yourself right now.
02:42:51.000It took me until I was in my 20s, until I really, like, as I was, like, getting closer to 30 is when I started really getting good at it with comedy.
02:42:58.000You know, like, bringing comedians on the road, helping people.
02:43:22.000You just all you have to do is just keep doing this.
02:43:23.000Yeah, and you're gonna you already made it Yeah, you know, this is the so this thing that you're talking about the thing that I that the Ram Dass people teach me which is invaluable and to me and it really inspires you is It's like they talk about Ram Dass's guru,
02:43:39.000Neem Karoli Baba, and how when he was teaching, he never said, here's what this is going to do for you.
02:43:45.000He was never like, this is how it's going to help you.
02:43:47.000He was always saying, here's how this is going to help the people in your life.
02:43:51.000And so the moment you make that little shift Where working on yourself, as it's called, is not about doing something so that you can fucking have a fucking six-pack and get laid.
02:44:22.000Because there's going to be a moment in every single person's life where someone comes up to you who's in a lot of trouble and they need help.
02:44:41.000You know not paying attention and you're blurry and you're angry and you're fucking shut down that you're not even gonna see that person right that person is gonna Just be another face in the crowd that you don't even see but that's the whole point is like this practice your practice It ends up helping so many fucking people.
02:45:02.000And if you want to get excited about something, at least for me, it's really kind of difficult for me to get super excited over, I don't know, some kind of thing that's going to give me an extra thing.
02:45:16.000It's way less exciting than to think that, like, shit, man, if I can be more calm...
02:45:21.000And more connected, then the next time I'm around somebody I love and get angry, I'm not going to hurt them because I'm learning how to not react to my own bullshit.
02:46:39.000And that memory of being a young man, of being a struggling young comedian, doing a bunch of odd jobs, trying to make it, this real hunger and worry.
02:46:51.000I remember one of the most embarrassing moments of my young life.
02:47:39.000Like, why did I let that out in public?
02:47:41.000This frustration of not knowing where the future lies.
02:47:46.000But that frustration and that hunger of wanting to figure out a way to get out of this cycle of working shitty jobs and figure out how to do something that I actually love doing, like be a comic.
02:47:56.000That burning hunger because you don't have shit.
02:48:14.000You're trying to figure out what's the next job you're going to get so you can feed yourself while you try to figure out this weird thing that nobody could really tell you how to do.
02:48:20.000But going through that struggle, that is everything.
02:48:24.000But people need to hear that you went through it too.
02:48:27.000They need to hear that during the dark days where it doesn't seem like it's ever going to work out.
02:49:46.000We're not worried about Elon Musk turning our fucking city into Swiss cheese.
02:49:50.000Yeah, but you know, man, the thing is that the guy you're making, you're like creating an image of, the guy's like, fuck Elon Musk or that guy, is real.
02:50:08.000That's all coming from feeling like shit.
02:50:12.000And when you get around somebody who's acting like that, if you've looked into yourself enough to see where you feel like shit, and then you get around somebody and you realize like, oh, this person who's like being a complete fucking cunt to me right now feels like shit.
02:50:50.000Just because when he was so far down in this massive place, this little guy, you could feel the energy rushing off of this guy into the room.
02:51:31.000Like, it's literally an echo of the unkindness, people being cruel to them throughout their lives, and that shit is bouncing off of them like sound.
02:51:43.000And so, when you get around someone who's, like, being a shit, what you're really experiencing is a lot of sorrow from a lot of places you don't know.
02:51:54.000And that doesn't mean You're supposed to lay back and let them spit on you or be a shithead to you or whatever, but it also helps you find a little bit of compassion.
02:54:49.000Is there's a part of me that and I like what I know sometimes you just have to put someone You have to like avoid their presence.
02:54:57.000I thought you're gonna say put them on blast I thought you were going not put them on blast No, because it doesn't work.
02:55:01.000That doesn't work, but maybe it does for you.
02:55:03.000I don't know but doesn't but there's a they just get mad at you But right so but there is a thing of like I this is where I might just be fucking naive or crazy Or one took over the line sweet, but I believe That with any body that you're around,
02:55:19.000if you've cultivated love, like if you can really love them, even in the midst of that cyclone of bullshit that you're talking about, if you could look through the cyclone into their soul, like into what they are that's love and see that and love it,
02:55:35.000then the cyclone will start calming down a little bit right in front of you.
02:55:40.000I think it's possible that if, and this is why I think it's fucking worth figuring out a way To cultivate this shit that you're talking about, so that when you get around a turd cyclone like that, you become potentially the person who,
02:55:57.000not by giving them money or giving them advice, but just by giving them love and letting them be this cyclone of shit for a second and loving it for real, You might be the thing that, just like Musk's fucking Tesla hits the meteor and sends it into Earth,
02:56:14.000you might be the thing that dings the meteor of their life and prevents the catastrophe that they were spinning towards.
02:57:13.000Yeah, and that's the thing, man, because you were like, in those moments when you were like, when we're riding in my fucking Mini Cooper and I'm trying to listen to Elliot Smith and you know I'm depressed, and you're like, dude, what are you listening to?
02:57:46.000And I needed, and I didn't, in those moments when you were doing that shit, I was, like, in my head resisting, and I'm like, you know, but that's the other thing.
02:57:55.000When you decide to help somebody in that way, you can't expect it's going to happen, their shift or change is going to happen instantaneously.
02:58:04.000But because of that, I still, to this day, when I put on Elliott Smith, I think of that moment, man.
02:58:11.000I still hear your voice in my head going, Duncan, what are you doing?
02:58:19.000Because, and I'll tell you why, man, because sometimes you can listen to Elliot Smith and not be wallowing, and it's just really pretty and sweet, but don't listen to that shit if you're wallowing, because it's like, it's only...
02:58:58.000Heroin's a really bad way to navigate it.
02:59:00.000You start doing heroin and start fucking listening to Elliot Smith and go holding a knife over your stomach in the middle of your fucking bedroom going, Fuck it, man!
02:59:36.000But you've got to learn from other people who have been through those patterns and learn from your own experiences getting through patterns.
02:59:45.000It's like when you get around someone who's like a teacher figure like you, or you get around someone who's really doing it from love and not trying to fucking fuck with you, because that can happen too.
03:00:02.000When you get around somebody who's doing it out of love, there is such a massive difference in the way that feels.
03:00:12.000And what they do quite often, or what a lot of my teachers do, which is really fucking cool, because in the same way you've seen me shift, a lot of my teachers from the Ram Dass camp, like in the beginning, When I was actively trying to offend them, because that was what I would try to do.
03:00:29.000Not be funny, because I was thinking, if I can offend these people about the practice they're teaching me, and they're like, hey, you can't say that, or that's blasphemy, or anything like that, then I know to get the fuck out of there.
03:00:41.000Because it's like, you know what I mean?
03:01:18.000Then I know, if there's a thing where I don't like blasphemy, I don't like the idea I can blaspheme, man, that freaks me the fuck out.
03:01:26.000But it was like, with Neiman Crowley Baba, you know, they tell me these stories, and I'd be like, you know, I just don't, I just don't really believe that, man.
03:01:33.000Like, I don't know if it's, I don't know if I believe that shit.
03:01:36.000And Raghu, I still remember saying that, walking in this, at the retreat with him in Hawaii, and he gets a big smile on his face.
03:01:49.000And like, it's that, that's the, so when you get around a real teacher, what I'm saying is, the place that you're at, they let you be there, but they're not like, in the sense that they're letting you do the pattern that you're in, but by allowing that to happen in its own way,
03:02:07.000and then adding to it the intention of like, I think I'm going to help you grow here.
03:02:11.000That's when you really start changing.
03:02:13.000Not when someone's like, when you were in the car and listen to Elliot Smith, and you were fucking recognizing in me a lot of sadness and a lot of fucked up-ness, you weren't scolding me, dude.
03:02:26.000You were giving me love, but the way you were giving me love Was by making fun of me in this really sweet way.
03:02:38.000And that's why it's like, you know, to learn how to get to that spot is one of the most important things you could do.
03:02:45.000Well, it's also, from a selfish standpoint, when you have a good friend that is all of a sudden looking for a place to live, and then they could live with you, it's cool, it's fun, but it also feels really good to help somebody, and to help somebody that you love and you really care about.
03:03:03.000So, I mean, I don't even think I thought about it for three seconds.
03:03:07.000When you called me up and you were in a hotel room, I go, dude, come live with me.
03:03:10.000It was like instantly, it was like, hey, Duncan's living with me.
03:03:13.000Instantly, I was like, you got a place to live, dude.
03:03:15.000You never have to worry about having a place to live.
03:03:18.000I wanted you to, you know, and also you were, I've had a lot of people that have offered the tank to.
03:03:25.000Anytime you want, come on by, you can use the tank.
03:03:27.000You were the only guy who used it on a regular basis.
03:03:31.000Like when Tate lived with me, he didn't touch that fucking crazy thing.
03:03:46.000You would talk about your inner voyage.
03:03:48.000When you'd go in that tank and just think about your life and what you're doing and what happened and what went wrong and where you're headed to.
03:03:58.000Just, look, man, the fucking stress of trying to be a professional comic, it fucks you.
03:04:09.000Every two years when I abandon my act and put out a special and then have to write a whole new one and I'm goddamn sweating just thinking about it right now.
03:04:17.000Like, Tom Segura's going through that right now.
03:04:28.000It's the thing that makes you keep growing.
03:04:30.000It's the thing that makes you keep growing.
03:04:32.000But when you haven't had any success, like when you were in the beginning of your career and it just hadn't happened yet, you don't really believe it can happen.
03:04:41.000But once you do have it happen, then you go, oh, I see.
03:05:57.000And what ends up happening is you run into people who are just fucking don't even realize that they're valets.
03:06:04.000They're covered in bags from all these previous, they're hoarders, and they won't let go of all these things, all these ways they used to be.
03:06:13.000So that's the, what I've learned is that through this act of like scanning the self or looking into the self, you'll find places where you're stuck.
03:07:14.000When you get a really bad muscle spasm, and then you go to a masseuse, and that moment when the thing finally gives way, and you're like, oh my...
03:07:23.000That place in your back that hurts so bad suddenly just feels like your back again, and you're like, ah...
03:07:29.000Well, the same thing happens with suffering.
03:07:33.000So, the suffering in a lot of people's lives, the repeating suffering, that's a karmic muscle spasm.
03:07:41.000And it's like, until you literally push into it, and the same way you get rid of a muscle spasm, it fucking hurts, man!
03:07:48.000Until you, like, get the blood flow going back into that place and really fucking go deep into, why do I get jealous?
03:07:56.000You know, for me, the thing I just figured out That's haunted me is just jealousy in relationships.
03:09:20.000But what's the beauty of it, though, is the very fucking thing that's hurting you like that, it's also simultaneously the thing that's like your...
03:09:57.000I know, that's why I deserve to be made fun of for it and I'm not gonna ever use that in a book or in a blog post or anything but I really do like the concept of like finding the place you're stuck and realizing that that's not a place you should avert your eyes from but in fact more than likely that's a door.
03:10:14.000That's a fucking door and you can go through that door into a whole new existence where you're no longer horrified by yourself and that is really exciting.
03:10:24.000It's a really fucking wonderful moment.
03:10:27.000You know, not just in comedy, but I think in anything.
03:10:30.000It's always a powerful thing to improve.
03:10:32.000That's one of the things that's good about doing things that you're not good at.
03:10:35.000Is that you get the opportunity to see what happens when you work at something and then you improve.
03:10:41.000And I think that applies to everything.
03:10:43.000I think if you learn how to play a game and get really good at a game, I think that figuring things out in your mind how to get good at this game applies to life.
03:10:52.000You could get caught up in a game where like chess or whatever it is becomes your whole life and then it's almost too much, right?
03:10:59.000But you could also use things like chess or a lot of different things.
03:11:03.000People have a heavy prejudice against video games, but it's been absolutely proven that video games can enhance many aspects of the way people think and problem solve.
03:12:39.000And it's like when you're looking at like the community that forms around these people and like, then you realize like, man, there really is something really soothing and addictive about watching this.
03:12:51.000Dude, have you seen that Twitch guy who trolls people in, uh, what's it called?
03:13:01.000This dude goes into different video games, playing a character, and trolls people inside the games, and it's some of the funniest fucking shit you've ever seen.
03:13:14.000He goes into Second Life, somehow makes it into an enclave of people playing the part of bikers in there, and he goes in there, and they're acting like bikers, so they're like, how'd you get in here?
03:19:10.000The rail gun changed a lot of shit in Quake 2. But the point being that you would have these strategies, because you had a map, and it would all be about controlling the respawns.
03:19:19.000So all of the items, whether it's a rocket launcher or a shotgun or whatever the fuck it is that you're picking up, And the ammo, all of it would respawn as well as the health.
03:19:28.000So it was all about controlling where the respawn is, keeping your health up really high, and then making sure your opponent never gets any good weapons.
03:19:36.000And so they would, it was really strategic, and they'd chase each other around the map.
03:19:40.000This one dude just fucked everybody up.
03:19:43.000I mean, and he lost a couple times too when he was, you know, starting out, but he eventually got to a point where he was like the Michael, like right there, boom, he sees that guy, boom, jacks him.
03:20:24.000Every time it respawns, he's going to be running back there to get that armor.
03:20:27.000Running back there to get the shotgun shells, making sure that his opponent doesn't have a rocket, and you just keep killing him.
03:20:32.000And then when he respawns, you chase him down, kill him again, or weaken him.
03:20:36.000These are fucking really complex, multi-level games.
03:20:40.000You have to think in advance, and you have to plan things out, and guys would even have timed things that they would put in a program so that it would show on their screen.
03:20:50.000Rocket launcher respawning in 10 seconds, 9, 8, and then run after.