Bill Cosby has been convicted of three counts of sexual assault and could be sentenced to up to 30 years in prison for the crimes he allegedly committed against women in the 1970s and 80s. Abby and Abby discuss what they think about Cosby s conviction and why they think he should be thrown in jail for the rest of his life. They also talk about the fact that Bill Cosby is a creep and why he should not be allowed to do the things he's accused of doing in the 70's and 80's. And of course, they talk about Trump and how he's a disgusting pig who should be kicked out of every public forum and how we should all be mad at him for being a racist, sexist, misogynist, bigoted douchebag like he is today. And they also discuss why we should be scared of Trump and why it's a good thing he's not running for president. And they finish off the episode by talking about the time Bill Cosby had sex with a dead body. Enjoy! Logo by Courtney DeKorte. Theme by Mavus White. Music by PSOVOD and tyops. If you like what you hear, please leave us a review and tell us what you think about it in the comments section below. We'll be looking out for the next episode! Thank you so much for all the support we've gotten so far! - Abby Martin, Abby Martin and Abby Martin - Thank you for all your support and support and love, bye bye! <3 - Abby, Abby, Mavos, Mavis, Abigail, Margo, and Lizzie, and Marnie Love you, Kristy, Marnellis, Abbie, and the gang, Sarah, etc, etc. - Love ya, bye! xoxo <3 Thanks so much, Abby Martin, Mancino, JUICY, Caitlyn, Jaxon, Glynis, AJ, and Sarah, R.J. & Jadyn & Sarah, John, Jazmin, J-Yvonne, and J-MARCY, & J-JACOBY, etc., etc, Thank you all for all of your support & support you all so much love you all of the love & support, bye, JOSEPH, M.A. & GABBY, JAMIE, etc
00:02:15.000I think there's probably a lot of people out there that are hearing this Bill Cosby thing and they're thinking about all the times that they did it.
00:04:56.000I think historians in the future, when they go back to the period where the internet was created, essentially it was like 94 when it became mainstream.
00:05:04.000I think they're going to look at this time between 94 and 2018 as unprecedented explosion of change.
00:05:54.000The craziest part about it is not the fact that he had sex with a porn star and that she was trying to do a transactional thing to get on The Apprentice.
00:06:02.000It's that he sent someone to threaten her and her child after that.
00:07:11.000There's a lot of really good jokes about Trump, which you would think would be easy, but I guess for comedians it's probably not easy because it's so satirical, the world that we're living in.
00:07:21.000Well, yeah, the problem is reality is already a joke.
00:07:25.000It's so crazy that you have to figure out what is your unique perspective, if you have one.
00:07:36.000We're very childlike in what we do with and, you know, how we treat our leaders and how we choose our leaders.
00:07:42.000And I'm really fascinated by the cult of personality that goes behind really any big time leader, whether it's Trump or Obama.
00:07:51.000There's people that think that person can do no wrong.
00:07:54.000I was very fascinated by that with Hillary.
00:07:56.000There was a giant group of people that refused to look at any of the things that Hillary was doing that were wrong.
00:08:03.000Any of the things like the Clinton Foundation or those speeches that she was giving to these bankers where she wouldn't release the transcripts or the lies that she would talk about, the difference between Comey's version of what the FBI had found her to have done wrong versus her version of it.
00:08:19.000And there's a video where you see the two of them back to back and she's a deceptive person.
00:08:52.000The way he would speak and communicate, he was well-read.
00:08:55.000He, to me, represented what I would like the version of the person who's running the big thing to be.
00:09:02.000And I think that's the whole crux of people who have brainwashed themselves into thinking there's some sort of deep state apparatus that's outing Trump.
00:09:42.000The liberals on TV, and we can get into this later, but there's a whole misnomer going on about the left and a mischaracterization about the left.
00:09:50.000The left has no fucking power in this country.
00:09:52.000The left has no voice in terms of news coverage.
00:10:12.000There's a myth of the fact that the media is liberal in general.
00:10:15.000I think that, you know, TV culture aside, news is not, there is no liberal media.
00:10:21.000Media is owned by multinational corporations with conservative business owners that have interlocking boards of directorates at defense contractors, Monsanto, etc.
00:10:33.000It doesn't matter if you're a Maoist working at Washington Times, you're not going to be able to put out That contradictory narrative that your shareholders are pushing.
00:10:42.000It's really unfortunate that the left has been basically...
00:12:03.000Anything to do with Isis, anything to do with, like, ideological warfare, all that stuff scares the shit out of me.
00:12:11.000You know, when you see what people are capable of doing, if they really believe in their cause, and they really believe God's on their side, they really believe...
00:12:18.000And also, if you really believe you've been fucked over by the great Satan.
00:12:23.000All that stuff scares the shit out of me, because most people are blissfully unaware of what the United States and, you know, what...
00:12:30.000The commander in chief or whoever the fuck is pulling the strings is doing overseas and what the repercussions of those actions are going to be.
00:12:36.000Yeah, the guy who I think, I don't know when the Quebec mosque shooting was, but his basically, his justification was, you know, Islamic terrorism made me do this.
00:12:46.000So if that's the case, what are all the people that we kill with drones?
00:12:50.000And we just killed the bride at a fucking wedding party in Yemen.
00:13:29.000So what are all these people who grow up...
00:13:31.000This was supposed to be the happiest day of their lives, and now, you know, are they going to grow up wanting to kill Americans?
00:13:37.000I mean, blaming the American government?
00:13:39.000Yeah, if you were a conspiracy theorist, that's what you would say.
00:13:41.000You would say the reason why they're doing this is that the United States wants an endless war.
00:13:46.000The best way to ensure an endless war is to occasionally blow up some people that really have no dog in the fight, and you create a bunch of radicals.
00:13:54.000You create people that are hell-bent on revenge because of that.
00:13:58.000That's the real hardcore conspiracy theory, the Alex Jones take on it.
00:14:01.000I think that a good way to look at the world is, you know, there's the colonizers and colonized.
00:14:07.000The states that are basically remaining that we know that the establishment or the empire wants to take down Iran, Syria, Venezuela, North Korea, right?
00:14:21.000And so we use our economic and military might to commit violence around the world to subject these countries to bend to our will economically.
00:14:30.000And unfortunately, people just continue to buy into this humanitarian bullshit propaganda, no matter who's in office.
00:14:37.000Yeah, it doesn't matter who's in office.
00:14:38.000If you look at, like, the actions that the Obama administration took versus the action the Bush administration took, they're super similar.
00:17:38.000All you have to do is be, you know, a token person and like the Joey Villa woman who was like, all All right, I'm going to wear a Trump dress to the Grammys and then I'm just going to, you know, sell tons of records because there is a huge vacuum to be filled of Trump supporters who are looking for people like this.
00:18:43.000I thought The Rock was gonna run for a while, and then I was like, yeah, well, and then I saw that he had a big dinner with the Saudi king, and he was like, oh, man, like, next time I'm bringing the tequila to your house, and everyone was like, Saudi Arabia's a dry country, dude, like, and he was like, oh, shit, and then he deleted the tweet.
00:18:58.000It's like, obviously, you just drank a giant bottle of tequila with the king.
00:20:30.000That's a campaign with a large amount of money behind it because the Israeli lobby likes to come down very hard on people who speak out against the crimes of Israel.
00:20:37.000As you see, this is a third rail issue.
00:20:39.000No one talks about it, even though it's so fucking obvious.
00:21:22.000And it's a YouTube channel that you can subscribe to, too.
00:21:24.000But I mean, it's just very easily verifiable facts.
00:21:27.000That Israeli military law governs the West Bank.
00:21:30.000This is verifiable in five seconds on Amnesty International.
00:21:32.000So it was just very desperate measures to try to obfuscate what I was saying.
00:21:36.000And this is really all they have left because the tide is turning, man.
00:21:40.000I mean, look, Natalie Portman just signed on to boycott this conference in Israel and they are running scared.
00:21:45.000I mean, they're trying to revoke her citizenship because she's basically participating in BDS. Because she said recent events have made her greatly disturbed, as it should disturb everyone, the fact that there's this ongoing massacre.
00:21:57.000And if I could just explain to people what's going on really quickly, it is horrifying, you guys.
00:22:02.000I mean, there's a thing called the Great March of Return.
00:22:05.000And it's been completely nonviolent on the side of Palestinians.
00:22:09.000It's in Gaza, which is the open air prison where about two million people are housed and caged like animals and they're not allowed to leave.
00:22:15.000I can't think of any other place in the world that refugees actually can't leave.
00:23:07.000So I think that Israel can only survive with U.S. sponsorship.
00:23:11.000And we love to have that beachhead in the Middle East.
00:23:14.000We love to have that military garrison because we use Israel like what happened in Syria.
00:23:19.000We used Israel to bomb Syria first to test the waters.
00:23:21.000We use Israeli forces to execute nuclear scientists in Iran.
00:23:25.000We use the Mossad to do all kinds of stuff.
00:23:27.000So we love to have that kind of You know, military post, outpost in the Middle East that we can use to try to intimidate all those post-colonial states that are independent or we want to overthrow.
00:23:40.000So I think that's why, you know, a lot of people say, oh, the lobby controls us.
00:24:11.000No, I mean, basically, they're all in cahoots with Netanyahu's administration, and they're all basically client states of the U.S. So, no, they can't leave, and Israel controls their water, the passageways, everything.
00:25:00.000Yeah, so I think they thought it was, they probably calculated that it would be less risky to just block me from entering than having me go in and show the horrors and the abuses that are going on there.
00:25:10.000But I mean, we're talking about executing children in sniper scopes, and there's videos of these soldiers gleefully laughing.
00:25:18.000They are literally like, man, did you see his legs go up?
00:26:08.000So, stand with us and all these other organizations that work on the behest of the Israeli government to try to smear anyone who criticizes it.
00:26:34.000They want them to submit and they basically have dehumanized them to the point where they, you know, you can't put a kid in a sniper scope and kill him unless you have completely dehumanized him to the point where you think that he's an animal or And that's just how it works.
00:26:50.000I mean, they've been so dehumanized there, it's not even funny.
00:26:54.000And what these people are asking is very simple.
00:26:56.000They want the right to return, which is authorized by the UN when the refugees were expelled in 1948. The right to return to Israel.
00:27:04.000The right to return to Israel and live as equal citizens.
00:27:06.000It's not about, you know, like it's not about expelling the Jews or people who live there.
00:27:12.000It's about living and coexisting and having equal rights because right now there's an apartheid state where there's 50 discriminatory laws within Israel proper, not to mention the fact that the West Bank's under Israeli military law, not to mention the fact that Gaza is an open air prison.
00:27:26.000So within Israel proper, there's apartheid, too.
00:27:30.000We are sponsoring this with $10 million a day.
00:27:33.000Israel would not survive without the US, which is why I focus on ending the US empire, because I'm like, it doesn't matter if everyone in the world boycotts Israel.
00:27:42.000We're still going to subsidize the horrors and the daily atrocities with our tax dollars.
00:27:53.000I mean, when else has anyone done something this brazen?
00:27:57.000Committing an ongoing massacre for a month straight.
00:27:59.000Just sniping people who are completely unarmed.
00:28:04.000The only thing I can think of that's slightly similar is when Israeli commandos hijacked that boat.
00:28:09.000There was a flotilla going to Gaza to bring wheelchairs because they don't allow wheelchairs in.
00:28:13.000That can be construed as a weapon even though there's tons of amputees.
00:28:17.000There was a boat going with aid workers and they were bringing aid supplies and commandos jumped on the ship like helicopter down and just started executing like people, humanitarians that were going to bring Gaza And the news made it seem like they were like,
00:28:33.000look at these people on the boat, like hitting them with chairs and stuff.
00:28:37.000It's like, dude, they fucking propelled onto the boat and started executing people.
00:28:41.000Of course, you're going to use whatever you can to try to like ward off these soldiers.
00:29:03.000They're saying that the Palestinians are dying of head wounds.
00:29:06.000It's like, no, just say that they were executed with sniper scopes like this is deliberate.
00:29:10.000But the way that the media plays around and uses this passive voice is just nuts.
00:29:14.000Whether it's Palestine, Venezuela, Syria, whenever you have complete media uniformity just peddling a line, probably the truth is somewhere on the other side.
00:29:42.000And why haven't the Israeli people seen the horrors of this and rebelled?
00:29:48.000Well, to be a leftist in Israel, it's difficult.
00:29:50.000And to be an anti-Zionist, it's even more difficult because you're rejecting your entire, like, identity.
00:29:55.000Your religion as well as your political identity.
00:29:57.000But look, it's a settler colonial state, just like a lot of other things in the past.
00:30:03.000But this is different because it's ongoing.
00:30:05.000And ever since the inception of Israel to today, the colonizers who colonized that land always knew that there was an indigenous Arab population that they wanted to...
00:30:15.000And that's still the goal, like from Ben-Garion himself, the original, you know, Prime Minister of Israel.
00:30:22.000I mean, he said there's so many Arabs here, we need to expel them and take their places.
00:30:25.000So it was never a land without a people and a people without a land.
00:30:28.000It was always overrun with Arabs and they've always just wanted to expel the indigenous population so they can have an ethno supremacist state.
00:30:54.000I mean, there's so many things that people can check out, but I would really recommend the work of Miko Pilat and Ronnie Barkin, their two anti-Zionist Israeli-born Jews who have extensively talked about this.
00:31:08.000But I mean, just in the roads, like there's settler-only roads compared to Palestinian roads.
00:31:15.000People have different license plates, you have different ID cards, segregated schools, like just all that stuff.
00:31:24.000No, you can, but it's so segregated and hostile and you're so indoctrinated from an early age to basically hate these people and think of them as the other.
00:31:33.000And I encourage everyone to check out interviews that I did with just average Israelis in the streets because the genocidal rhetoric is very apparent and it's very open.
00:31:43.000Is there a good one that we could play right now?
00:31:45.000Yeah, check out Abby Martin, Israeli's candid interview with Israelis.
00:31:51.000Did you have one opinion of that situation before you went there and then a different one after you came back?
00:31:56.000Well, I didn't even know what Palestine was until I was 18 years old.
00:32:00.000So when people say, oh, you're only telling us one side of the story, look, I didn't know that.
00:32:04.000The Palestine side of the story until I was an adult, which really should say something about our education system and our media when you completely obfuscate an entire reality and are only told one side.
00:32:16.000But before I went there, I had a conception of what it was.
00:32:21.000But once you go, you really see how much worse it is.
00:32:24.000So this Israeli party approves annexation plan.
00:32:51.000So I, this is the thing, and also the Stand With Us people in the Israeli lobby basically said, oh, you cherry-picked these interviews, you only picked like genocidal people to talk to.
00:33:13.000And basically, they just were very, very readily comfortable to tell me very crazy genocidal things on camera, thinking that that would actually look good for an American audience.
00:33:24.000So keep that in mind and check this out.
00:33:26.000A lot of people are sympathizing with the Palestinian plight.
00:33:29.000Can you talk about what it's like to kind of live in this situation?
00:33:42.000Did you say the organization did what again?
00:33:49.000We, the organization is, the thing of it is that Jews shouldn't marry Arabs.
00:37:01.000I mean, look, this is reflected in polls.
00:37:03.000A lot of people, when you look at Israeli society, you know, it started off as kind of a socialist project with the kibbutzes and now it's just turned into a fascist supremacist state where Netanyahu reflects the true face of Israel just like Trump reflects the true face of this country.
00:37:37.000You have contractors in Texas having to sign clauses promised that they won't support boycott of Israel in order to rebuild hurricane homes.
00:37:45.000What is BDS? Boycott divestment sanctions.
00:37:47.000It's the movement that Palestinians have asked us to help them to, you know, boycott.
00:37:51.000And that's what Stephen Hawking was all about.
00:37:53.000He boycotted scientific conferences in Tel Aviv.
00:37:58.000And we have to fight our government to stop endorsing these massacres and atrocities.
00:38:03.000Well, obviously, this attitude that these people have, it's coming from a place and they were talking about terrorist attacks, like how many terrorist attacks are actually happening in Jerusalem or in Israel?
00:38:12.000If you look at the breakdown of terrorist attacks, how many are against soldiers?
00:38:35.000And when you look at the actual amount of people who, when you look at those terrorist attacks and see how many are against soldiers, like how many stabbing attacks are against soldiers, the numbers become very different.
00:38:46.000Don't you think it's a bit different in Israel and they're more unified because of the fact that mandatory military service exists?
00:39:42.000And what's really weird is during the last massacre in Gaza in 2014, like half of the Israeli soldiers that died were American because that's what colonial that's what the colonial settlers are.
00:39:51.000They go over there from New Jersey and they just post up on top of an Arab village.
00:40:02.000But I remember a lot where I was like, why are so many Americans going over there, 17 year olds and joining the IDF? I mean, how bizarre is that?
00:40:10.000What kind of mentality do you have to have to move from like a comfortable suburb in Philadelphia to go like move on top of an Arab village and harass these people?
00:40:18.000Is it Jewish people that are doing this?
00:40:36.000That's why it's so sad that so many Palestinians can't ever go to Jerusalem, which is one of their holiest sites is there and they're banned because, again, they're banned from everything.
00:40:46.000So if you're a Palestinian and you live in Gaza, you're just stuck.
00:41:14.000That's all they can do, is use their bodies.
00:41:18.000So their concern is if they open up Gaza, the idea is that if the Palestinians come and they live in Israel with everybody else, that they're just going to cause trouble and kill people and create suicide bombs.
00:41:34.000And the Israeli lobby and the stand with us and all these people have said, you know, you're portraying us as really different than we really are because they like to portray themselves as this peaceful, loving, democratic nation.
00:41:45.000And they're like, Palestinians will say the same thing about us.
00:43:15.000I mean, the fact that they can't understand that this treatment of the Palestinians in that t-shirt is essentially the same way the Nazis were looking at the Jews.
00:43:28.000It's a very difficult to understand quality of human psychology, is that when we're in conflict with another nation, another person, we think of them as less than us, like literally less human, not human.
00:44:15.000I did a show out there and after the show we went outside and the cars, the police cars, they looked like they were in the craziest fucking war zone you'd ever seen.
00:44:25.000First of all, the entire thing, the front of the car was completely covered in thick steel.
00:44:31.000They had this big steel grate over the windshield.
00:44:34.000They had bomb shielding all over the car.
00:44:38.000We were looking at the cop car like, what the fuck is this?
00:44:41.000Like, oh yeah, man, this is when the IRA was bombing.
00:44:45.000They just started setting everything up like this.
00:44:47.000And we were talking to this driver, and the driver was explaining to us what it used to be like.
00:44:54.000When, you know, they were at war and what people had done to people that knew him and, you know, just people that look incredibly similar to each other.
00:45:04.000Again, speaking the same language, just gutting each other in the street, torturing each other, killing each other, Protestants versus Catholics.
00:45:12.000I mean, it's that thing that humans do where they treat An enemy as something less than them the other and just decide that that's the red team and we're the blue team So fuck them that that is a scary creepy fucking thing that humans are capable of I'm not really,
00:45:29.000yeah, I'm confused about the whole religious, like, how it grew into a religious conflict, because originally it was just the British colonial overlords, like, harassing the fuck and beating the hell and raping women who were just Irish in these villages and towns.
00:45:44.000And, you know, how much can you subjugate other people and put them in cages, like in Gaza, or do this and harass them and humiliate them until they do something about it?
00:45:53.000I mean, that's just the nature of human beings.
00:45:58.000Well, if anybody wants, if you really want peace on Earth, I mean, is that really possible, first of all, right?
00:46:06.000There's always a question, like, we're so tribal, and people are so committed to their side and their team, and is it ever possible to eliminate all war?
00:46:18.000We have to be able to identify with those people and see their plight and understand, put yourself in their position.
00:46:25.000If you were born in Gaza, if you were born in Northern Ireland back when the war was going on, if you were born, pick a spot where there's a conflict.
00:46:35.000You've got to be able to realize, like, we got lucky.
00:46:45.000We got lucky we're not wherever it is, wherever the conflict is.
00:46:48.000If you can't see that, if you've blocked off that aspect of your perception, This is a classic trait that human beings have exhibited since probably the beginning of tribal life.
00:47:03.000The beginning of organized groups of people living together in a community fighting against all outsiders.
00:47:09.000It's almost like ingrained in our DNA. The way we stay alive is anybody who's outside of us, fuck them.
00:47:15.000Well, like you said, we're only two people ago.
00:48:14.000Literally, most people, that's the extent of their understanding of why North Korea distrusts the United States.
00:48:20.000Even though after we decimated the entire country, all the infrastructure dropped napalm over the entire country, where we actually retreated only because there was no infrastructure left to bomb.
00:48:29.000And for the past, I don't know, 70 years, North Korea has literally been building up defenses to prepare for the next time that they know that that will happen.
00:48:38.000And we're like, oh my god, they're so fucking crazy!
00:48:40.000Look at this crazy military fascist state!
00:48:58.000Like they're blowing a hole through the earth.
00:49:00.000But something really good could come out of it with the peace talks.
00:49:04.000President Moon of South Korea and Kim Jong-un and now Trump is forced to jump on board.
00:49:08.000And if Trump can pull this off, then more power to him, man.
00:49:12.000That's got to be so strange, the North Koreans and South Koreans looking exactly the same, staring at each other across the line.
00:49:18.000Back when I was competing in Taekwondo, Koreans are extremely nationalistic.
00:49:25.000And the South Koreans and the North Koreans, they would occasionally compete in North Korea.
00:49:32.000It was, you know, it's got to be so bizarre to think that if you zigged, if your ancestors zigged instead of zagged, if you were born like 50 miles that way, you'd be North Korean and you'd be stuck under the ruling of this fucking wacky sun and instead you're over here making Samsung phones,
00:52:55.000But humans that live in high-altitude climates are much more adapted to low-oxygen environments.
00:53:02.000Humans that live in, like the Inuit, that live in extreme cold climates and have no access to vegetables, they adapt to this specific fat-rich diet.
00:53:11.000Their hands are less likely to get cold.
00:53:14.000They actually developed a genetic predisposition For their ability to withstand cold with their hands.
00:53:23.000Like, we would go over there and our hands would be numb.
00:53:26.000We'd be like, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck.
00:53:27.000And they would just be like playing piano and shit.
00:53:40.000You could see that in your lifetime, right?
00:53:42.000I mean, if someone works out, they develop more muscle, they get stronger, and then there's the concept of epigenetics and the possibility that some of these traits and some of these learned behaviors you're passing on to your children through genes.
00:54:07.000And there's a whole Inuit section, but there's like, you know, tribes in the jungle and stuff who will work with birds to get beehives and the birds will get the reward and get some honey.
00:54:17.000And then if you don't give them any honey, then they'll trick you and take you to like a non-beehive tree.
00:57:17.000You know, just like slavery doesn't exist anymore, in the United States at least, I'm hoping that as time goes on, there's going to be less tribalism and that as human beings are able to freely travel and communicate with each other, we're going to be dealing with less of this.
00:57:31.000Isn't it sad that it seems like it's almost getting worse even though we have all the information available at our fingertips.
00:57:36.000We're still like we just elected someone who basically got famous politically because he said Obama was a secret Muslim Kenyan.
00:58:08.000Yeah, put it on Adam Green Tree and we could read it.
00:58:11.000But what Yeti did, they discontinued these...
00:58:16.000I forget the way they described the program, but they had a bunch of outdated incentive programs where if you signed up for something, you get a discounted program.
00:58:49.000So anyway, they notified the NRA, and the organization has changed.
00:58:54.000Yeti explained to them that they're offering an alternative customization program broadly available to consumers and organizations, including the NRA Foundation.
00:59:02.000So then the NRA releases this statement that Yeti coolers doesn't want to work with the NRA anymore.
00:59:09.000They don't support the Second Amendment, so fuck them.
00:59:11.000So people start blowing up their Yeti coolers.
01:00:51.000Anybody that supports any outdoor activities...
01:00:55.000It has to understand that the conflict, if you have any internal conflict against each other, like, but the thing about hunters and fishermen, all these people, what their real opposition is, is animal rights activists and radical animal liberation organization type people.
01:01:48.000Yeah, but now this also is really fascinating.
01:01:51.000I'll send this to you, Jamie, because I sent it to my friend Ben O'Brien, who's freaking out about this because Ben is an executive at Yeti, my buddy Ben.
01:02:01.000And I sent him this thing where all these other coolers All these other cooler companies are freaking out and jumping in and saying, we're all sick.
01:04:23.000This is what our discourse has become.
01:04:24.000It's like mass hallucinations on both sides of the political aisle.
01:04:27.000You're either a Russian bot or troll, or everything's fake news, and it's all, you know, QAnon, like this rabbit hole, or you're a libtard or snowflake.
01:04:49.000So these people are killing people because, now Bourdain was tweeting that there's like some sort of a Reddit forum with all these folks, and there's like 40,000 members.
01:04:59.000Well, the guy who shot a bunch of women in Santa Barbara a couple years ago, he was also like, I'm so attractive, why don't you guys want to have sex with me?
01:05:05.000It's like a Look, it doesn't matter what you look like, there's healthy, loving relationships that exist for everyone.
01:05:14.000So it's just crazy to me when people blame women and are violent misogynists because they think that they're unattractive and they basically just blame attractive women for not having sex with them.
01:07:12.000I mean, that are gonna commit massacres, and then we're gonna have to find out about some other weird subculture on Reddit that has been...
01:07:27.000I mean, like I said before, the mass hallucinations, there's no way to have actual dialogue or discourse about reality because you're a Russian bot.
01:07:37.000And I mean, the liberals, meaning the neoliberal, the think tank establishment, the people that people call leftists, which is a misnomer.
01:07:43.000But those people are so in denial about the fact that Trump won that they still just have to blame Russia for the fact that Trump is our president.
01:07:50.000They can't accept that he won democratically.
01:07:53.000So it's really pathetic that now you have them suing the DNC over this erroneous, fraudulent lawsuit that's basically threatening press freedom.
01:08:01.000They're basically saying if you publish leaks Including Trump's tax returns, you could even say.
01:08:41.000You know, all I know is that Assange, they basically said that they could not promise that he won't be extradited to the US, which means they will extradite him to the US. And we've already had Pompeo, who's the psychotic co-brother shill who just got appointed.
01:08:55.000He said he wants to basically see Julian Assange go down.
01:08:58.000I mean, he had harsh words for Julian Assange.
01:09:00.000So even though Trump talks out of both sides of his mouth on the campaign, he was like, I love WikiLeaks!
01:09:05.000He is going to prosecute him, probably to save his own ass and to pretend like he, you know...
01:09:43.000If I were Julian Assange, who knows how I would feel being pushed in an embassy and, you know, being arbitrarily detained like that and not being able to leave.
01:11:43.000And meanwhile, while Trump is this internet troll, and he definitely is an internet troll, meanwhile, the evangelicals are taking the fuck over.
01:11:51.000All these Fifth Circuit court judges that Trump has appointed, they're all from the 1600s.
01:16:54.000Whether this is just because he's so wacky that everybody's paying attention to him or whether it's a real calculated sort of maneuver to act outrageous and act like he's out of control.
01:18:24.000I was talking about how I wanted Kanye, or not Kanye, I wanted to meet with Trump to see if I could talk him into actually fighting Joe Biden.
01:19:08.000You know, vices on the ground acting like badasses.
01:19:11.000They're embedding themselves in the protests and being like, look at these fucking awesome dudes.
01:19:15.000It was basically fascist mobs tried to lynch us, and we got chased out of the country, and then our colleague got shot.
01:19:21.000Because we dared to tell that the death toll that we kept hearing in the mainstream media that Maduro is mowing down all these protesters, we found out that the majority of the deaths were actually caused by the protesters, like either shooting people, lynching people alive, burning them alive, or doing these giant road blockades where they would light giant flaming piles of trash and people would be...
01:19:43.000You know, flying off the freeway or getting in accidents and shit.
01:19:46.000And so once we just reported those facts, then this lynch mob came after us.
01:22:17.000I think they have a hard time filtering everything out.
01:22:20.000I think they've gotten, you know, they were this radical sort of like upstart where people hadn't heard of them before and they were doing wild shit and they had some really cool videos like The Guide to Travel and they did that thing where they went to Liberia and they met with General Butt Naked and he's explaining about eating children and cutting their hearts.
01:22:43.000That's all great, but I appreciate that kind of style of journalism, but I feel like what's missing is the context behind it.
01:22:50.000Vice will go to India and be like, fuck, this is fucking nuts!
01:22:53.000And you're like, well, why is there this massive disparity in equality?
01:22:57.000So it's a different style of journalism, but I do think that they really miss the boat on Venezuela, Russia, and Ukraine, and some other things when it comes to covering global conflicts, because That's just the problem with a lot of journalism and corporate media in general is that you're towing a line because you're an American, just like we're talking about Israelis.
01:23:13.000I mean, you have preconceived notions, you have your own bias, you have your own ethnocentric lens about world issues.
01:23:19.000So it bleeds over into those conflicts.
01:23:21.000And unless you're like an internationalist, can you see the world from a different lens?
01:23:25.000But when I was on the ground in Venezuela, I was like, this is not what we're seeing.
01:23:29.000So what do you think is happening in Venezuela?
01:23:31.000I mean, there's a lot of things happening, but the thing that the U.S. government wants to obfuscate, and that's why you see Venezuela continues to come up all the time as another country that needs to be taken out and helped by U.S. interests, right?
01:23:46.000Because they haven't bowed down to U.S. economic hegemony.
01:24:03.000The narrative is that he's a totalitarian dictator who has seized all of power and that there's zero democracy and that everyone wants him gone and that the protesters, he keeps mowing down and executing them whenever they come to the streets.
01:24:50.000I mean, that's the thing is there's multiple journalists who have gone to the site of the hospital and there's very contradictory narratives.
01:24:57.000So we don't know until the chemical weapons inspectors go and do their investigation.
01:25:00.000But what I find odd is just the, again, uniformity with putting out these fucking narratives by the same people who sold us Iraq.
01:25:08.000Do you remember when Obama wanted to bomb Syria and everybody was like, fuck you!
01:25:16.000And unfortunately, we've, you know, the white helmets over there are kind of an arm of the US government, too.
01:25:23.000We've been funding them with 200 million dollars on USAID. I mean, All of these groups on the ground.
01:25:29.000It's like whether you're Obama and you use more covert means through USAID and more like drone warfare or you're the Trump John Bolton type where you're like, let's fucking preemptively bomb them and kill their families and torture their families.
01:25:41.000I mean, it's two sides of the same coin.
01:25:44.000It's the empire that's consistent and will maintain.
01:25:48.000But it's scary because Syria, it shows you how easy we're duped.
01:25:53.000You know, I mean, during the Iraq war, it's like at least you had Colin Powell holding up the vial being like, here's the anthrax.
01:25:58.000Now it's just like you just have a social media video and we just fucking have Israel, our garrison in the Middle East, bomb.
01:26:03.000Syria to test the waters and then we just bomb them.
01:26:05.000And then you have asshole like neoliberal think tankers all paraded around the media, all these generals, right?
01:26:12.000All these experts who are all literally Iraq war propagandists or generals or defense contractor CEOs.
01:26:17.000And they're all just like, Trump isn't doing enough.
01:26:56.000Because it's owned by oil corporations and defense contractors.
01:26:59.000That's why you see ads for Boeing and Raytheon.
01:27:01.000Like, we're not looking to buy a tank when we watch the news.
01:27:05.000That's just their overlords controlling the narrative.
01:27:08.000They know the limitations of the debate.
01:27:10.000They know the parameters and the framing that they're allowed to work within.
01:27:13.000They can't even talk about the U.S. as an empire, the world's biggest empire the world's ever seen.
01:27:18.000Isn't it fascinating the difference between what you hear from internet commentators who are free of networks and producers and executives that are telling them what to do and sponsors and the version that you're getting on television?
01:27:32.000The version that you're getting on television, on CNN, or on any of these major mainstream news networks, you're getting a very watered down, very homogenized and pasteurized narrative.
01:27:45.000Because I think that's why I do the show The Empire Files and Media Roots Radio with my brother, Robbie Martin, at fluorescent gray on Twitter.
01:27:51.000I do the show with my partner, Mike Preissner, because we want to retell these narratives that have been lost.
01:27:58.000History has always been written by the victors.
01:28:00.000All of the shit that we're seeing around the world needs to be analyzed within the lens of the U.S. being the largest empire that siphons all the fucking money in the world for military expenses.
01:28:09.000I mean, every issue, domestic and internationally, it's all shaped.
01:28:15.000Doing this, you're traveling to Palestine, you're traveling to Venezuela, you're doing all this stuff, you're writing all these things, you're doing all these videos.
01:28:23.000Is this ever, like, overrun your brain?
01:28:26.000Does this ever freak you out that none of this is getting any better and in fact some of it's getting worse?
01:28:30.000I mean, it is depressing to, like I was saying, I mean, just the discourse now where I'm called a Russian stooge and I was like, look, I guess once a Putin puppet, always a Putin puppet.
01:28:40.000Doesn't matter if I left RT three years ago.
01:28:51.000And then the intelligence report that came out as the definitive proof of Russian hacking basically said my show that had ended two years prior was part of the reason why Trump won.
01:28:59.000So you have all this desperation to try to dilute the narrative and call everyone a Russian troll.
01:29:04.000But yeah, it's depressing as hell, Joe, because I feel like the sanity is fucking lost and I can't actually have conversations with people and talk about reality because either you're a Trump bootlicker who thinks everything's fake news and you think QAnon is...
01:29:16.000Gonna fucking expose the pedophiles across the country, or you think I'm a Russian troll because I'm saying something that goes against the grain.
01:29:38.000Because, you know, there are pedophiles out there.
01:29:40.000I mean, whenever someone does get exposed and some pedophile ring gets broken up, you go, oh, that's real?
01:29:45.000Well, I didn't even think it was real because these people are so fucking stupid and some of the shit that they believe is so dumb.
01:29:51.000You know, a lot of them are the same people that are chemtrail people or flat earth people.
01:29:55.000There's like so much of the same shit coming out of these people that when you find out that there is a group of people that are pedophiles, that really have been involved in human trafficking or child slavery, which is a real thing.
01:30:06.000I mean, this is something that's almost like, It's almost like been talked about by so many wacky people that people don't believe it until you read like the story about Jimmy Savile.
01:31:10.000I was also in Columbia on the front lines of the drug war that people should check out on the Empire files, too, and that that shit's nuts, too.
01:31:17.000Do you know I saw that was great what that fucking Tom Cruise movie that made American made made in America, whatever is American made the movie about Barry Seals who's a CIA drug runner and Wait, is this older?
01:31:33.000Barry Seals is the guy who was dropping off the drugs that they would get from the Colombian cartel and he would drop them off in Mena, Arkansas.
01:31:42.000It was exposed because two kids were there when the drugs got dropped off and they were murdered and their bodies were put on train tracks.
01:32:11.000It was that this Barry Seal guy gets arrested with millions of dollars in cash and coke, and Bill Clinton calls up the prosecutor and makes him walk.
01:34:37.000When he was talking about it, he was explaining that's not what happened, and that it essentially went right back to the way it was before Obama changed the legislation, changed the rules.
01:34:47.000All I know is that it was protected under Obama for a good reason.
01:34:52.000Native Americans have monuments there.
01:34:54.000But of course, we don't care about Native American monuments.
01:34:56.000We just care about Confederate monuments.
01:34:58.000We don't care about abolishing all the Native American land and all the treaties.
01:35:02.000We just care about protecting bizarre Confederate statues around the country.
01:35:06.000I don't think we should protect Confederate statues in the sense that I don't think they should be in the middle of fucking town squares and shit like that.
01:35:17.000But they should do something with them, the same way they should do something with Genghis Khan statues.
01:39:46.000There were so many people that were looking for Hillary to win because they wanted a woman to win, because they thought it would be a historic victory.
01:39:51.000Regardless of how fucking creepy she is, regardless of all the crazy shit that she's done, regardless of her history, regardless of all the fucking way that they hacked the DNC, and they literally conspired to keep Bernie Sanders from winning the nomination.
01:40:26.000I mean, honestly, and that's the problem.
01:40:28.000I think that's the conflation with, like, the left and the neoliberal think tankers is that they use identity politics to sell more corporatism.
01:40:35.000Like, they use it to brand slap pink shit on Boeing jets and be like, Happy Women's Day!
01:44:04.000But what's crazy about the Hillary sycophants is, like, you see Neera Tanden and all these assholes who worked for Hillary Clinton's campaign on the fucking eve of Trump bombing Syria.
01:44:43.000What person laughs like that when someone gets killed?
01:44:47.000Even if Bill Cosby, if some woman who Bill Cosby raped showed up outside the courtroom and he was walking down the stairs and she ran up, leave Harvey Oswald, Jack Ruby style, and shot him right in the chest, I wouldn't laugh.
01:44:59.000I'd be like, whoa, that's fucking crazy.
01:45:02.000But I wouldn't be like, she came, she saw, he died.
01:47:12.000...and chastise me on the phone for being too dirty on stage.
01:47:16.000It was real weird because I had never met him and he just thought he should call me up because he was Bill and tell me that he did about what comedy is all about.
01:47:24.000And I sat and listened to this man chastise me And when Bill Cosby chastises you, you forget you've grown.
01:47:29.000You feel like one of the Cosby kids and shit.
01:47:31.000And I ran in the house all excited to talk to Bill and picked up the telephone and Bill got raw on me.
01:53:17.000Yeah, well, she got coffee from some weird driver the morning of the debate, and we already know that that crazy shit was happening between her and Trump, and she said she got violently ill.
01:53:26.000She was trying to tell him, I don't drink coffee, and then he was like, no, drink it, it's good.
01:53:29.000She drank the coffee, got violently ill, and had to, like, sit next to a puke bucket, almost thinking that she would have to cancel the debate.
01:53:35.000Basically alluding to the fact that Trump might have poisoned her that day.
01:53:58.000I mean, he made a lot of enemies and a lot of people made enemies with him.
01:54:02.000It's going to be really interesting to see what happens with all these criminal charges and what's going to happen with Cohen and all these other people, the Mueller investigation.
01:54:12.000It's so strange because it's all just...
01:54:14.000We're waiting for something to be highly illegal and obvious, and it's not yet.
01:58:07.000No, it's interesting too, like Stormy Daniels and the other woman who said that she had an affair with Trump, she said that both of them said that Trump told her, you remind me of my daughter Ivanka, you're beautiful and smart.
01:59:29.000And with him, honestly, the thing that scares me is not that.
01:59:33.000The thing that scares me is all the business deals.
01:59:36.000What's crazy is how many small business owners went under because Trump had these relationships, apparently, allegedly, whatever I have to say, with They would do these construction jobs, and small contractors would just not get paid.
01:59:50.000And they would have to sue, and they would wind up going under.
01:59:54.000And this is something that Joey Diaz talked about on the podcast, that he knew people that were involved in construction companies that went under because Trump fucked the moment.
02:01:05.000How the fuck can you pay attention to all that?
02:01:07.000To think that he's responsible for all that is also naive, honestly, because if you really look at the amount of properties that Trump owns and to think that he's paying attention to all that and the management of all that and the paying of the contractors and all that...
02:01:22.000But it probably trickles down from the top, right?
02:01:25.000The kind of ethics that would be involved in not paying off contractors.
02:01:30.000That's why the whole Russia thing just kills me, because like we were saying, it's been a year and a half.
02:01:36.000It's just a whole bunch of little things like, oh, Russian trolls online, this, that, the DNI report, which I was in.
02:01:42.000But no one's talking about the fact that he obviously has ties with Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Israel, like all there's collusion with all these countries.
02:02:58.000It's the think tank that you see unquestioningly repeated in every single article about Russian trolls, where it's like, Russian trolls!
02:03:03.000Russian trolls are spreading NRA shit online to try to foment discontent in this country or Russian trolls are promoting Bernie Sanders or Russian trolls are promoting Jill Stein.
02:03:13.000When you look at the actual methodology of how they determine who's a Russian bot and who's a Russian troll, it all comes from this think tank run by literally Iraq war propagandists, Bill Kristol and Michael Chertoff.
02:04:24.000Huawei makes some really good cell phones, like beautiful 40 megapixel camera, excellent design, gorgeous screen, and they were about to be launched in America under AT&T, and then the State Department warned against people buying Huawei phones,
02:04:45.000saying they're spy devices, and told people to not buy Huawei phones.
02:05:14.000They were saying that there was some networking equipment that was made by Huawei that was sending a certain amount of data that didn't seem right.
02:05:26.000And they believed that something was encoded in their software or in their hardware that allowed them to hack into it and extract data and use this as a spying device.
02:05:37.000So then they were saying that this is the case with the phones and we shouldn't buy these Huawei phones.
02:05:43.000But then the Android people, like I sent Jamie a couple articles on it because I was fascinated by this.
02:05:48.000I read like 30 articles about it in like the last week and a half.
02:05:52.000And these real smart tech people were like, this is horseshit.
02:05:56.000First of all, if these devices did have something in them other than stock Android or Android with whatever their operating system is that they put on over it, like their skin, you would see it.
02:06:23.000That maybe, perhaps, there's some sort of a deal with Samsung and iPhones, which are the two top manufacturers, to keep out this third party, which makes these really high-end cell phones.
02:06:36.000Like, the Huawei has this Porsche design Mate Pro RS. It's $2,000.
02:06:42.000It's like the most expensive cell phone you could buy.
02:08:14.000What I think might be happening, which people are noticing now, is not just that it's happening within software, it's that your actual device, the microphone is on, and the laptop camera is on.
02:08:25.000So people have blocked the camera with tape, but they're not blocking the microphone.
02:08:50.000But what wasn't really investigated, I think Channel 4 did this crazy investigation where they pretended like they were a patron trying to hire Cambridge Analytica, some billionaire dude.
02:09:04.000It's basically like a private intelligence firm, almost like a Blackwater where you can hire mercenaries to set up honeypots with prostitutes, take down politicians, spy on them.
02:09:14.000They set up shell companies with the MI6, Mossad.
02:10:01.000And like the Bannonites and the Breitbart people are...
02:10:04.000How many other companies are there like this?
02:10:05.000I always think, yeah, while we're all focused on Russian trolls, 14 Russian trolls in St. Petersburg, how many companies like Cambridge Analytica, like Blackwater, like all these things are operating around the world doing all this?
02:11:00.000Someone asked me the other day, they said, you know, you have to admit that you wouldn't rather live anywhere in the world other than here.
02:11:06.000And I said, I would because I can't have a kid here because I don't have maternity leave and I don't have any help.
02:11:11.000I was like, so no, I stay here because I have to and I have to fight.
02:11:15.000It's not about me and it's not about myself.
02:11:20.000And it's about putting this information out there because especially in the Trump era, I feel like no one is really criticizing him in the correct way and putting it in the proper context of the U.S. Empire.
02:11:35.000And I don't think that, you know, even if you do get burnt out and you get tired, you just have to keep going because this is you don't have to you don't do it for recognition.
02:11:42.000You don't do it to be on a magazine cover because you're never going to be rewarded in the system that we live in.
02:11:47.000We're going to always live on the margins and we're going to always fight on the margins.
02:11:59.000And I think that's why I do what I do.
02:12:01.000I want to instruct people about how history has shaped our reality today and how we can use it to learn and prevent similar atrocities from continuing.
02:12:10.000I mean, I just hope that we can evolve to the point where we can do that.
02:12:14.000You essentially work for yourself now, right?
02:12:53.000Because if you just give people the option, I bet people would be more than willing to support your work, if they're interested in your work.
02:13:00.000And it seems like there's so many people out there that would be now.
02:13:04.000And it'd be a great way to be completely independent and not beholden to any state-run group or anything else.
02:13:11.000You'd just basically be putting out content.
02:13:14.000If people didn't like it anymore, they wouldn't pay for it anymore.
02:13:16.000Yeah, no, I think that, well, I'm not beholden to anyone because I don't really have anyone telling me what to do.
02:13:21.000Like in Venezuela, I was interviewing the defense minister.
02:13:37.000You have to invest in the journalists that you want to support and that's just the way that the world works because media is not a sustainable business if you want it to be holding power to account.
02:13:48.000But it seems like that's not the worst thing in the world to have something like Patreon or some similar type of situation where people can just donate.
02:13:58.000And I have that on Media Roots and on my podcast, Media Roots Radio.
02:14:03.000I mean, to do investigative journalism, it's hard.
02:14:06.000And to do documentaries, it takes a lot of money and time.
02:14:09.000And I think that's probably where it'll end up if we keep going down the road that we are, which is, you know, whether it be RT or Telesur, this fear campaign against state media and against the Russian propaganda.
02:15:39.000Someone's got to keep poking holes in this bullshit because it just keeps happening and we keep getting duped and someone has to be out there countering the narrative and telling these stories from marginalized and oppressed people who have not been given those platforms and I have to keep doing that part.
02:15:54.000Well, I would suggest you stay offline for a couple weeks after this one just to avoid the shitstorm.
02:15:59.000And it's always great seeing you, Abby.