In this episode, the brother and sister duo of the talk about infinity and what it means for the universe. Jamie and Theo discuss the concept of infinity and how it could explain the existence of other galaxies and infinite numbers of universes, and how the universe could be so big that there could only be one Theo Vaughn and not another Theo Vaughn! This episode is brought to you by Gimlet Media and produced by Riley Braydon. Music by Zapsplat and tyops. Art: Mackenzie Moore Music: Hayden Coplen Editor: Will Witwer Additional Compositions by Ben Koppel Theme Song by Ian Dorsch by Suneaterspace and our ad music is by Shadydave Thank you for listening and supporting the podcast! If you like what you hear, please HIT SUBSCRIBE and leave us a rating and review on Apple Podcasts! Subscribe, Like, and Share, and tell a friend about what you think of the podcast. We're listening and sharing it on your favorite streaming platform! You can also become a patron by becoming a patron and leaving us a five star rating and reviewing our podcast review on iTunes! Thanks again for supporting our podcast! :) we'll be looking out for you in the next episode, and remember to leave a review and a review on your thoughts on the podcast next week! ! if you like the podcast, we'll get a shoutout! and a shout out! in next week's episode will be out next week, it'll be 5 stars, and we'll hear about it on the next week on Insta- on the pod is 5 stars and it'll get 5 stars next week get a review, too! it's 5 stars! on Instafrances are 5 stars across the pod? it'll go out to the world? can we say it's amazing, and they'll get it out there on the air next week too, they'll also review it on their Insta story about it? and the next day, it's a review will be 5 star review, and all that's amazing! , and so on, and so much more! can I say it, I'll be reviewing it on insta thank you, and I'll review it, and it's so much love, and more.
00:00:13.000Do you know the concept of infinity, apparently, as explained to me, by people far smarter than us, is that the universe is so big that not only is there intelligent life out there for sure, but there's humans out there for sure.
00:00:29.000Infinity is so big that that means somewhere in the universe there is another Theo Vaughn that has done exactly the same things that you've done, said exactly the same things that you've said, been in the same conversations that you've been in,
00:00:46.000down to that pause, down to the millisecond, an infinite number of times.
00:01:32.000I mean, I'll say some big words every now and then, but the reality is I learn those big words from people that actually understand them, and I'm just repeating the noises that they say.
00:04:18.000They don't know why, but in one instant, the universe is created.
00:04:24.000Seem far-fetched But that's what the scientists believe forget about what religious people believe or cult leaders believe or Schizophrenics.
00:04:34.000Yeah, the legit of legit the Sean Carroll's of the world the Neil deGrasse Tyson's of the world the real Scientists yeah that can hit you with the real words and they actually understand them the smartest people the real smart people They actually think that hmm.
00:05:15.000Some of the science, for me, it takes too much of the hope out of it.
00:05:19.000Like, I guess I want to romanticize the universe a little bit, and I want it to be a little more fantastical.
00:05:25.000Like, maybe we get out there, you know, in the sequel to that video, and there's a couple, you know, angels out there, or a band or something, or like a...
00:05:52.000Like, if somebody was like, go in there, and they were trying to push me in there, I would say, I'm not going in there.
00:05:57.000Have you ever been in a place where you're outside at night, there's no clouds, and there's no light pollution, and you could see the Milky Way?
00:07:48.000What we're saying is that someone is going way, way, way further than that.
00:07:52.000So they would have to be way more advanced than that.
00:07:54.000What I look at us, and I look at artificial life and artificial intelligence and how close we are to creating something that's smarter than us, within the next hundred years, we're going to have some form of artificial life.
00:08:05.000That's probably way smarter than us and it's gonna create even better versions of artificial life It's gonna improve upon the design and then there's gonna be things that they can do in terms of like recreating reality in your own mind like sit you and I sitting across from each other mm-hmm We're experiencing this table.
00:08:25.000We're experiencing looking at each other.
00:11:34.000But then he gets into it, like, I don't know.
00:11:36.000It was fascinating to me how he went from just, like, one genre of life to the next and created a business in each one and kept moving forward.
00:12:17.000You gotta shut your phone off if you're friends with Eddie.
00:12:20.000When those 1am phone calls come in, you do not respond because you will get a wall of text explaining which YouTube video has the right information and which one is set up by the CIA. It used to be like stopping at a rest area on the interstate, that was like the old Eddie Bravo.
00:12:35.000Like you'd stop there and next thing you know you'd hear the craziest shit in the world.
00:12:39.000Coast to coast with Art Bell would be playing in the background.
00:13:02.000That just seems like it's somebody's birthday.
00:13:05.000I think when they do that, they're doing that on purpose.
00:13:08.000But the chemtrail thing is just nonsense.
00:13:11.000There is some evidence that they have experimented with spraying stuff in the sky, and they definitely seed clouds in certain parts of the world, in certain parts of the country.
00:16:59.000See, one of the things that made it so interesting about the moon hoax theory, particularly for me, is they never sent anything alive into space and had it come back alive, ever.
00:17:07.000They never even sent a chicken into space and had it come back alive.
00:17:17.000They never shot a monkey into space and then brought it back alive.
00:17:20.000So that's why you think it could be fictional?
00:17:22.000No, it's only one reason why it was enticing to me.
00:17:26.000One of the big reasons was the Fox documentary.
00:17:29.000There was a Fox documentary that aired on TV, I think it was in the 90s.
00:17:33.000It was called Conspiracy Theory, Did We Go to the Moon?
00:17:36.000And it showed that they used the same backdrop for different moon missions that were supposedly really far apart from each other, but the backdrop synced up.
00:17:47.000There was all sorts of images that showed different...
00:17:52.000Shadows that were moving at different angles that would indicate different light sources that was more than one life source instead of just the sun.
00:18:00.000There's a lot of these things that make it intriguing.
00:18:03.000The problem with that stuff is that I don't know jack shit about aerospace engineering.
00:18:35.000They know this because there's Gemini 15. There's a Michael Collins photo that was absolutely a photo that they used of him.
00:18:42.000In a training mission, where you could see the harnesses and all that jazz, and then they blacked it out, and they used it as a publicity photo saying that he's on a spacewalk.
00:18:50.000But that could have been an overzealous publicist.
00:29:09.000Well, there's definitely something to that, because how about that composer that turned out to be even more of a fucking asshole than Harvey Weinstein?
00:29:16.000There's this one composer that was just fucking all these young boys, and if you didn't fuck him, and they recently got rid of him...
00:29:24.000But he was just running things through sex, and you know, he just basically had a sex cult going on.
00:32:31.000He was trying to explain to us that he had unconventional teaching methods and that they didn't understand his teaching methods and that they fired him.
00:36:08.000Did you feel a little bit bad that he had kind of taken advantage of like like fuck like now We can't kind of be friend like you know like well thinking that was I did enjoy talking to him because he was Telling me about things like he knew a lot of things about life.
00:36:23.000He's definitely a very educated guy so before The drunken weirdness and just the general...
00:36:43.000I don't think it's something anybody chooses to do unless they're, you know, trying to start like a track team or something like maybe in the Philippines or something, you know?
00:36:51.000Well, I ran to my friend Josh and I told him immediately because Josh used to go fishing with me and we both knew that guy and I explained him the whole deal and he was like, fuck!
00:37:47.000If you're a pedophile, like, I'm glad I don't have that ailment, man.
00:37:52.000Because that's got to be so tough to be, you know, hanging around kids and also, like, you know, want to, like, you know, talk to them about dates or stuff.
00:38:22.000Yeah, it's really high when kids are It's also something you can't even talk about.
00:38:27.000Like, say, imagine if you have, like, a mental illness that makes you prone to violent outbursts, but you got it under control and you never actually hurt anybody.
00:38:37.000You know, you never actually hurt anybody, but you understand that you have this problem, so you take medication and people go, good for you.
00:39:09.000Because we all want to have kids, and we all want to procreate, and that really, I think that just, that's going to irk anybody that wants kids.
00:39:53.000Oh, they grew everywhere because everybody had something shitting in their yard and then it would rain every single day for about a half hour, right?
00:40:16.000And one time a golden retriever came running at us across this field and we thought he was pissed because we were tripping and then he got to us.
00:44:09.000Well, the thing is, in a comedy, and that's the lead of the story, or one of the heroes of the story, that guy in that scene, you would not want the hero of the story to do something so horrific and something that you can laugh at.
00:44:22.000Because you would have to be judging him by his crime, and we all agree that that's a crime now.
00:45:50.000It's one of the few things you could have on your laptop.
00:45:54.000They can go over to your house, they check Theo Von's laptop, and there's a hundred videos from ISIS and them chopping dudes' heads off with dull knives, stabbing them in the neck, shooting them, lighting them on fire.
00:46:25.000Between some crimes that you can have on your computer in a video form, like murder, which you could download on LiveLeak or a hundred different websites, right?
00:46:34.000You can get videos of people getting murdered.
00:46:37.000Yeah, and you can watch it almost every night on television, like in a kind of specially packaged way where it really is about the murder, but it's not, you know, on all these shows.
00:48:21.000I used to be on drugs sometimes and I would, you know, you get on the internet and you're not looking at anything super crazy, but you're like, you know, you wonder if like pornography sites or when they say teen, like you, it's, that stuff gets so dark, man.
00:51:55.000But it does, it's definitely made it tougher for me over the years.
00:51:58.000Um, Because I would have a date set up with a nice girl, and next thing you know, I'm walking through the house and I start thinking about, you know, a little bit of pussy or something, and then some tits or something, or I'll even see a fucking, I'll see a pregnant puppy and see those nipples or something,
00:52:14.000and next thing you know, you're on the internet jerking off, and then you...
00:57:13.000Probably a top hat, because you have to balance yourself while you're jerking off.
00:57:17.000One of them fucking chimney sweep hats.
00:57:23.000The best would be one of those Chinese hats, bro, because if you squat down low enough to the ground, you can almost hide under it and jerk off.
00:58:13.000Because I feel like you kind of like, you know, you lead a lot of men in like their aspirations to, you know, control their beings and stuff.
00:58:21.000And these are just some of my weird interpretations.
00:58:23.000But, you know, to try and be on top of themselves in some ways and, you know, stay focused on controlling themselves in positive ways.
00:58:34.000You know, like staying fit and expanding their minds and thinking, you know, and not falling into easy traps.
00:58:43.000I think that it's definitely important to have discipline.
00:58:47.000But I think that if you're a person, like say if you're not in a relationship, you're not getting any sex, and you're horny, and it's confusing, and it's distracting, it becomes a big distraction.
00:58:57.000Like if you're horny and you're busy...
00:59:01.000And you don't have anybody you're dating.
00:59:02.000You don't want to hook up with someone you don't like just so you could have sex with them.
00:59:07.000Have you ever had girls that you were friends with or you dated and the only reason why you dated them was for the sex and they'd annoy the shit out of you and you couldn't wait to get the fuck away from them?
00:59:17.000Yeah, Tiffany's this girl I'm thinking about.
01:02:03.000But if you jerk off first, you don't go through all that.
01:02:08.000Yeah, I guess for me it became addictive where I would just do that every time and then I was just at home for five years and didn't, you know, go do any dates or anything.
01:03:02.000A cabinet that is just filled with candy and chips, chocolate bars, soda in the refrigerator.
01:03:09.000If you're just one of those people that can't help themselves, you don't have any discipline, you would just eat all that shit all day long and get fat.
01:03:16.000And that is just as much of an addiction as someone who has access to porn all the time and just beats off all the time.
01:03:22.000Or someone who has access to booze and just wants to get fucked up every day.
01:03:26.000All those things are okay, though, in moderation, if you have discipline.
01:03:51.000I just feel like we're at the point, for me, it seems like where the temptation is too powerful, where it's starting to overpower whatever...
01:04:00.000For me, it was whatever my natural abilities to defend against it were.
01:04:51.000By people, and you didn't necessarily want to listen to them, and you saw a bunch of other people in the neighborhood that were adults, like, what are these fucking idiots telling me what to do?
01:09:44.000I mean, sure, you know they got those goggles now.
01:09:47.000Do you think this, I was thinking about this, do you think that, say if there are robots here, there's like, you know, obviously we're creating like robots, you know, machines that can do things.
01:09:55.000Do you think that any of them have reached awareness yet?
01:10:03.000The question is, when are they going to let us know?
01:12:15.000I mean, if everybody's beaten off and not even going outside and looking at the flowers, and I'm Mother Nature and I made all those flowers, dude.
01:14:38.000And they put him in class with the mentally handicapped kids.
01:14:40.000So you'd have at lunchtime, you'd have a kid in a wheelchair, you'd have a kid with DS, you'd have that kind of blind kid with a stick, you know?
01:14:49.000And then you'd have him just dribbling an invisible basketball, bro.
01:19:54.000Yeah, it's like I'm afraid to ask sometimes or to talk or even to engage because I just think that people are going to think that I'm not trying to be genuine.
01:20:03.000And if I don't know how I feel and how genuine I am sometimes or if I question that, if I question myself all the time, then that makes that even double scary to try and create friendships and stuff.
01:21:04.000I think he's like four years younger than me.
01:21:06.000So whatever that was so maybe he was 18 I was 44 44 so older than that so he must have been 18 and I must have been 24 so when when I met him, you know We were both just starting out.
01:21:23.000We were both kids, but he got way more famous than me quick.
01:21:27.000And I was more famous for doing other shit.
01:21:30.000Like, I was famous for Fear Factor and for being on a...
01:22:05.000You question whether or not you should be there.
01:22:07.000You know, question whether you're good enough or whether they like you or maybe they don't like your kind of comedy or maybe they don't like what you're doing.
01:22:20.000For me, anyway, yeah, there's just been so much in, you know, a feeling of, you know, just growing up feelings of self-worth issues and then all that kind of stuff.
01:22:37.000Sometimes when it gets better, you get comfortable.
01:22:39.000And when you get comfortable, you stop working hard.
01:22:41.000Because a lot of what makes you work hard is that insecurity, man.
01:22:46.000That fucking thing that made you need all that attention when you were younger in the first place because you weren't getting it growing up.
01:24:17.000And especially, you know, I come out here from the South, and then you get here, and you realize, like, there's not even anybody with a Southern accent on fucking network television anymore.
01:25:06.000Not for us anymore as much, but when you're first starting out, if you're doing any kind of auditioning, you realize why people are so crazy and insecure and insincere out here.
01:27:39.000I'd like to create a show based on the childhood, you know, the neighborhood I grew up in.
01:27:43.000And, yeah, I wouldn't mind doing some acting, but maybe like in that Danny McBride type of vibe, you know, where you're just showing your dick verbally to everybody, you know?
01:27:53.000And you're just fucking eating orphans in the back of your brain the whole day, bro, and smoking fucking cigarettes and blowing Winston's.
01:28:51.000But in terms of, like, the overall impact that something has, when a stand-up comic is fucking murdering, just murdering, that's the funniest shit that's available.
01:29:48.000If you keep improving and keep working at it and keep analyzing your material and writing a lot and taking chances on stage and thinking about what you did and listening to your sets, you're going to get better.
01:29:58.000And you're already doing something that is so difficult to get really good at.
01:30:04.000It's so difficult to get really good at stand-up.
01:35:21.000Yeah, my buddy Simon Rex always says to me, if I'm having a tough moment, he's a sweet guy, and he's like, dude, you get to do, look what you get to do.
01:35:29.000You get to be a white guy in a country that, you know, is still kind of run by white people, and you're comfortable, and you have a roof over your head, and you're doing better than like 90. I thought you wanted to be a black guy, though.
01:35:42.000Look, I'd take a black afternoon any day of the week, man.
01:35:53.000Even racist people will yell racist shit in their front yard, then they'll slam the door and go practice the moonwalk in their living room.
01:35:59.000Everybody, I think, wants to be a little bit black.
01:36:03.000If you could have a pint of black blood right now.
01:40:15.000This is the greatest life in terms of...
01:40:18.000Look at this the the world that we are in today is without a doubt the the best time to be alive and Obviously, yeah, they thought this way in the 1960s.
01:40:29.000This is the greatest time to be alive Yeah, no if I had to tell you hey man, you want to go back to the 60s you like what drum brakes and Fucking shitty stereos and get out of here not power steering racism.
01:40:40.000No the civil rights movement still getting hosed down.
01:40:43.000No, yeah No, I'm not going to live in 1963. Yeah.
01:40:46.000But back then in 63, they're like, man, we got it made.
01:45:31.000I think it's just, like, complete transparency where it's, like, through people's eyes, you have, like, some sort of thing that you know exactly, like, if they're being genuine or what their thoughts are, you know?
01:47:30.000Yeah, you go back into your thoughts, and while it's activating both sides of your brain, you can do stuff to your childhood that you weren't able to do when you were a kid because only one part of your brain was developing.
01:47:42.000I did it just for, like, you know, not having, like, maybe, like, probably a father figure stuff, not having, like, somebody to stand up for me or feeling like...
01:47:50.000You know, certain times in my life where I didn't have support, you know, and I felt like I was alone.
01:47:55.000Like you go back and like you plug somebody in there with you that is supportive.
01:47:59.000And so while you're talking about it and this thing's open up both sides of your head, it can it can help.
01:48:05.000And what does it help with going back over that stuff from your childhood?
01:48:10.000It replaces that memory with the new memory.
01:48:13.000Right, but isn't that memory, even though it's negative, beneficial to you because you understand why it was bad, and then someday when you have kids, you will have learned from their mistakes?
01:48:35.000I would think that for someone who's dealing with something extremely traumatic, like childhood rape or something like that, then maybe it makes sense.
01:48:44.000A little violence, things along those lines.
01:48:46.000Something that haunts you all the time.
01:48:48.000That's messing with you, messing with your life today.
01:48:52.000Does your childhood mess with your life today?
01:50:03.000If you replaced all that childhood with, like, the perfect loving parents that were, you know, super engaged and there for them all the time and very supportive and an amazing neighborhood with no violence and no crime and all this diversity and everybody's super progressive,
01:50:28.000You know what's something really special about him, man, that's been a blessing of meeting him, is that he'll call me sometimes and just check in on me.
01:51:57.000Every picnic ended in just violent death.
01:52:01.000You went from raspberries to just spraying blood all over each other.
01:52:04.000And I think that as time goes on, we're going to look back, or someone is going, something that's different than us now is going to look back on us.