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00:01:08.000Sweet potatoes, which everybody thinks is like a sweet sugary food.
00:01:12.000Those are actually shaped like a pancreas and they can actually help to normalize your beta cells, like your insulin producing beta cells in your pancreas.
00:01:20.000So you look at, you know, walnuts for your brain and people talk about avocados, right?
00:01:26.000Supposedly they look a little bit like an ovary and they're good for female reproductive function.
00:01:31.000So you can carry that over from the plant kingdom into the animal kingdom and say that if you eat ants because they're such energetic, endurance-driven creatures that it supposedly will make you stronger.
00:02:35.000I'm a little annoyed with that word, superfood.
00:02:37.000I like that idea, though, of the doctrine of signatures, like certain things that you see in nature being good for you.
00:02:43.000There's one called, I forget the name of this plant, but it's called the insulin of the heart, and it's amazing for decreasing sympathetic nervous system activation and causing you to relax, and it has these beneficial cardiovascular properties in people who are just so driven.
00:03:01.000That they tend to have, for example, a heart attack or an MI, and it's not splanthes.
00:03:08.000I forget the name of this, but it looks like a heart, and it has all these red vessels that kind of come off it.
00:03:38.000I interviewed a physician on my show, Dr. Thomas Cowan, and he wrote a book about how the heart is not a pump, and he talks about the true reason for heart disease being sympathetic nervous system overdrive.
00:03:51.000What does he mean by the heart is not a pump?
00:04:07.000But basically, as fluid moves through the heart, the action of the fluid actually moving through the heart allows it to pass through the heart and not have to be pumped through the body, but rather the shape of the heart is almost like causing the fluid to move in a vortex.
00:05:24.000And then there's a team of live botanists on the other end and within 24 hours they identify the plant for you and you can learn its edible properties, its medicinal properties.
00:05:33.000So my kids and I can walk around and take pictures of different plants, different flowers, different things on our land and it develops this online herbarium that then allows you to keep track of all the different plants and what you've learned about them and what they're good for.
00:05:48.000So we use that whenever we're identifying plants.
00:05:50.000There was one time when we were fishing off the North Fork of the Clearwater.
00:07:41.000But there's another app called a PlantSnap, and apparently it uses artificial intelligence, you know, like a reverse Google image search to identify a plant.
00:08:10.000I think that's called like a reverse Google image search or something like that, but the AI doesn't seem to work as well for plant identification.
00:08:16.000I would imagine it's looking at the leaves, the shape of the leaves, how it comes off the plant, you know, the veins.
00:13:27.000You know, it can be kind of a joke, because some people go out in uniforms with big cowboy hats on, and, you know, dressed up as a Spider-Man in their Lycra, and then some people, they have these elite waves where it's actual...
00:13:46.000But it is, you know, you can see you move your body in a lot of different ways on these courses.
00:13:52.000So it's fun, you know, it's fun to train for because you got to train all your different body parts and you train for power and strength and there's endurance.
00:14:04.000The stadium races are cool because you show up at AT&T Stadium where you're going to race and you go up and down and they will turn We're good to go.
00:14:43.000So they're going to do their first actual kids.
00:14:45.000And same thing, it's the kids' events where the kids shoot, they've got 15 to 20-yard shots, and they have a sandbag lift and a run, and then they've got another shot, and they've got burpees up and over a cooler and another shot, and there's a grown-up event and a kids' event.
00:15:40.000And on the sheep hunt, because the sheep stay out in the open plains, you'll crawl sometimes for an hour and a half to get close enough for a shot.
00:15:49.000Yeah, the final day, I killed two axis buck out there, and the final day, we crawled for at least an hour.
00:17:47.000On the first day we were out there, I took the back strap and I soaked that in lemon juice all day and that kind of broke it down a little bit.
00:18:38.000It's a dry-aging refrigerator, but you control the temperature you want about 34 to 38 degrees.
00:18:45.000And then the humidity can vary a lot more than that, but I kept the humidity at about 60 to 70 degrees.
00:18:50.000And then basically you just slice off all that hard, gristly external coating, and you've got this amazing, super soft, super tender.
00:18:58.000And then I just have this vacuum packer, and it's a cool little unit.
00:19:03.000You can just cut a bag any size you want, right, for a neck or a shoulder, or like a smaller bag for a backstrap or a tenderloin, and bagged it up.
00:19:11.000Yeah, I have one of those vacuum sealers.
00:19:15.000Yeah, I have friends that have one of those walk-in coolers, and they can set it to a certain temperature, and they hang the meat and dry-age it out there.
00:19:23.000I don't know what walk-in cooler they have, because I looked into the dry-aging refrigerators, and those are like $5,000.
00:19:39.000And so the food is on grates inside the refrigerator and the fan is on the bottom?
00:19:44.000Yeah, so I took all the shelving out of the refrigerator and I just put some plywood on either side of the refrigerator and I put these metal grates in between.
00:19:51.000Oh, so you constructed your own sort of...
00:19:53.000And I just laid the meat down on the grates and put the fan on the bottom of the refrigerator so it's constantly circulating the air inside the refrigerator.
00:20:01.000And then the temperature controller has this...
00:20:38.000These water buffaloes, like you see the one behind me, a buddy of mine shot one of those in Australia, and he said that he had Cam Haynes, he had a piece of it in his mouth, and he was chewing one piece for a half an hour.
00:21:00.000There's this guy, I think it's Max Mew.
00:21:03.000My brother sent me this YouTube video of this guy, but his whole idea is that human's jaw structure, our bone density, our teeth, our trigeminal nerves, all of that don't work as well as they should because we grow up on soft food.
00:23:26.000The other gum, you mentioned the bazooka, there's a gum called mastic gum.
00:23:31.000And I interviewed this guy, Dean Karnazes, who did the 50 marathons in 50 days, and he ran the traditional marathon in Greece, which is apparently not 26.2 miles, it's like 100 and some miles that he ran.
00:23:43.000And he would chew this mastic gum, which they do use for jaw strengthening, but it makes you produce more saliva, too.
00:23:49.000So when you're running, you know, you can get dry mouth when you're running, and a lot of times you get, you know, you'll be thinking about food, you want to eat.
00:23:56.000This mastic gum apparently keeps your appetite satiated and allows you to produce saliva.
00:24:08.000Yeah, that's what it looks like little rocks.
00:24:11.000And the interesting thing is you can take it out after you're done chewing it and then just like the next day put it back in your mouth and you can chew that stuff for days.
00:26:02.000Your cells have exosomes, and they're used as cell-to-cell communicators.
00:26:05.000So they interact with cell surface receptors, and they'll actually carry a message from one cell to another, such as, you know, you need to absorb this into the cell, or you need to carry this to a joint, or whatever you'd want to use an exosome for to carry messages throughout the body.
00:26:21.000It's part of your, I believe it's referred to as the paracrine system, your body's internal cellular communication system.
00:26:28.000So the idea is that if you combined the exosomes with other therapies, like platelet-rich plasma injections, which you do to increase the amount of growth factors available to a specific joint.
00:26:41.000They did exosomes plus PRP with you, which I can tell you the full procedure that I did, but I just got that all over my face.
00:26:49.000My face five days ago was red and swollen.
00:26:51.000Because it was covered with exosomes and PRP injections.
00:27:31.000He had these placental cells from Chimera Labs.
00:27:35.000They destroy the placental cell so that there's no actual DNA from some other person that you're putting into your body.
00:27:45.000That's considered to be part of the risk of stem cells.
00:27:48.000Even umbilical or amniotic, you're still getting somebody else's DNA into your body.
00:27:53.000Not your own DNA. So the idea is that you would take exosomes that you've isolated from something like a placental tissue and then you would mix those with your own stem cells.
00:28:04.000In this case, what I used was bone marrow aspirate.
00:28:07.000They went into both of my iliac crests.
00:28:59.000They mix it with the exosomes, which act as the cell to cell communicators from those placental cells.
00:29:05.000This place called Chimera Labs, which in my opinion is just a great sexy name for some kind of a mysterious lab company where you buy placentas.
00:29:13.000So, basically, they mixed the exosomes with the bone marrow, and then what they did...
00:30:25.000Well, the tubes also, you know this, when you give blood, you can give like 19 tubes of blood, but it's not as much blood as it actually looks like because it's inside of that little skinny tube.
00:31:00.000I think this stuff's fun to write about and look into in a study.
00:31:04.000And apparently the stem cells stay available.
00:31:06.000So this is an over-exaggeration, but it's almost like you'd be like Wolverine or like you recover faster when you get hurt for the rest of your life.
00:31:13.000So here he goes, pulling out round two.
00:31:16.000Yeah, for people who are listening to the audio and not watching the video.
00:32:36.000So get this, his partner comes in, she takes those same exosomes, after he does ankles, knees, hips, elbows, wrists, back, every part of my, they flip me over.
00:35:37.000I have like 30 injections of my own stem cells stored down in Florida that I can use for joints, for anti-aging.
00:35:43.000And I also, one of the reasons that I did that was if I'm ever in a car accident, if I ever get some traumatic injury, I can heal myself faster with these stem cells.
00:37:07.000I think they're like 100 to 200 nanometers, which is pretty small.
00:37:11.000And I would not be surprised if they crossed the blood-brain barrier as well.
00:37:14.000Yeah, one of the things they were saying about stem cells versus exosomes is that stem cells tend to get pooled up in the lungs.
00:37:21.000They don't pass the lungs and they get absorbed there.
00:37:24.000And they believe that the exosomes being released by these stem cells are the reason why you generate and regenerate tissue.
00:37:31.000They think that going straight to exosomes is going to be more efficacious than just going with stem cells themselves.
00:37:37.000I think that some pharmaceutical company or some supplement company is going to make a lot of money in the next 10 years by figuring out a way to make exosomes or figure out some way to do it in a way that is more available to the general population than harvesting it from placentas in some crazy lab.
00:37:57.000So you weren't supposed to do anything for two weeks?
00:38:06.000And my plan, apparently if you jar the joints a lot when they're already kind of weak from the surgery, you can risk tearing a ligament, spraining, straining, doing damage to a muscle that's kind of weak and lax from the surgery.
00:40:25.000I mean, you know, that procedure I think is like a $30,000 procedure.
00:40:28.000Not everybody's going to go out and do that.
00:40:29.000And this is another fringe one, but I want to, I mean, there are ways that you can endogenously increase your own stem cell production.
00:40:35.000I mean, and your own stem cell viability and health without actually doing stem cell injections.
00:40:41.000Fasting is probably the one that's the most efficacious.
00:40:45.000And a lot of these things that are kind of uncomfortable for you seem to increase your body's ability to be able to heal or produce its own stem cells.
00:41:10.000You don't want to live till you're 120 and be cold and thin and hungry the whole time because it'd be a horrible way to live a long time.
00:41:17.000So the idea with things like Walter Longo's research or a lot of these intermittent fasting type of diets is you fast and you increase cellular autophagy and stem cell production, your own stem cell production, by going for long periods of time without eating,
00:41:34.000and the magic seems to kick in at about the 16-hour mark.
00:41:36.000So I do 12 to 16 hours every day, and then you get even more benefit once you get up to about 24 hours.
00:41:42.000So I try to do a 24-hour fast from Saturday dinner to Sunday dinner.
00:43:11.000And I'm more of like a two meal, you know, light breakfast or light lunch and then just two meals.
00:43:16.000I've been doing the 12 to 14 hour thing and sometimes I ramp it up to 16 hours and I do feel better when I do that.
00:43:22.000And I definitely become more accustomed to not eating for long stretches.
00:43:27.000And sometimes when I wake up in the morning, I almost think, should I just eat?
00:43:30.000But then I'll stop and go, well, I'm not really hungry.
00:43:33.000I mean, it's really just a matter of habit, a force of habit that I'm even considering eating right now.
00:43:38.000Yeah, but fasting is probably one of the better ways to increase your own endogenous stem cell production, provided you're going for about 16 hours, and provided you're still eating as many calories as you'd normally eat.
00:43:49.000The only kind of caveat to that would be protein cycling.
00:43:52.000This is why I'm not a huge fan of the carnivorous diet, where you're eating four to six pounds of meat a day.
00:43:57.000Yeah, you were trying that for a while.
00:44:00.000You were putting that on your social media, sort of, but you had some vegetables mixed in.
00:44:47.000Because I know quite a few people that are doing this now.
00:44:50.000So real quick, and then we'll talk about how to make these steaks taste really good.
00:44:53.000The idea is that protein cycling, right?
00:44:57.000Having a meatless Monday or having, as a lot of religions would do, like the Eastern Orthodoxy Church or the Mediterranean diet, they have certain periods of time where there's complete meat restriction or your protein intake is restricted to fish and eggs, for example.
00:45:11.000And the idea is that you would strike a sweet spot between not being in a constantly anabolic state, right?
00:45:19.000And not having this mammalian target of rapamycin constantly activated, which would theoretically accelerate aging or in a lot of, you know, rodent models.
00:45:31.000Unrestricted protein feeding actually causes aging to accelerate.
00:45:34.000So the idea is on your lower activity days, especially for an athlete, you could still intermittent fast and get all the benefits of that, and you could still eat as many calories as you would need to sustain a normal healthy metabolism, right?
00:45:48.000So you're not starving yourself, but on the less active days, you would shift to a lower protein intake, right?
00:45:53.000So you're talking about like 0.5 grams per pound of body weight rather than what a typical athlete would need, which would be Depending on who you ask, you know, 0.7 to 0.85 grams per pound of body weight, right?
00:46:04.000So there's some days where you're high protein, some days where you're low protein, some periods of the week, such as a meatless Monday, or some periods of the year, you know, such as every quarter, you know, for a week where you're eating a plant-based diet or you're restricting meat.
00:46:18.000You're basically giving your body a break from being in that constant anabolic state.
00:46:22.000And I think that the carnivore diet causes a lot of people to miss out on some of those elements.
00:46:29.000And then if you look at the blood work of a doctor who does a carnivore diet, he publishes blood work online.
00:46:36.000And I don't know what else is going on with him from a health standpoint, but he had really high blood glucose and really low testosterone and some things that suggest that it might not be healthy to eat just meat.
00:47:01.000Is it possible that he did it after a workout?
00:47:05.000He does a lot of rowing, like real high intensity.
00:47:07.000A workout would suppress your testosterone, that's significantly.
00:47:09.000It would increase your HSCRP and your inflammatory markers, right?
00:47:12.000Which is why you never want to go to a doctor for a heart checkup after you've done a workout because they're going to tell you you're going to have a heart attack based on the levels of HSCRP. Right.
00:47:21.000But, you know, that blood work is just one example.
00:47:24.000And I don't want to pretend like that one example, you know, is going to paint with a broad brush the entire carnivore diet phenomenon.
00:47:31.000But I just, I think that unrestricted protein intake and unrestricted meat intake probably has an accelerated aging effect on the body.
00:48:42.000It's a lot easier to just eat a piece of meat to get some of the B12 and some of the other amino acids you're trying to free up by soaking and sprouting and fermenting, which my wife does a lot of.
00:48:55.000She's in the kitchen like three hours a day making vegetables bioavailable.
00:48:59.000It takes her hours to make sourdough bread, to actually make a bread where the gluten is pre-digested and it's actually healthy and the glycemic index is lower.
00:49:08.000She's just a rancher girl and she likes to...
00:49:10.000We have goats and chickens and we eat meat, but she's very into like an ancestral preparation of vegetables, deactivating a lot of these stressors that Dr. Stephen Gundry talks about.
00:49:24.000And before we podcast, we're talking about Tom Brady and how he does like a no nightshade, no tomato, no potato.
00:49:29.000And I'd rather eat those things, but actually figure out a way to render them more digestible and friendlier to the human body.
00:49:37.000Yeah, that's the other thing, too, when people talk about food that has protein in it.
00:49:56.000By the way, there was a study that just came out about stem cells.
00:50:00.000They found that carnosine, which you find in copious amounts in a grass-fed ribeye steak, with blueberry extract enhanced your stem cell production.
00:50:11.000I don't remember the exact percentage, but...
00:50:13.000But this combination of polyphenols and flavanols with meat is a good combo.
00:50:18.000That's why when I did the carnivore diet, not the carnivore diet, that's when I was eating meat, I was doing lots of salads, I was doing lots of, I had like wild blueberry extract powder, I had these vegetable powders, you know, I was doing a lot of big salads for lunch, flavanols,
00:50:35.000Same thing with the high saturated fat diet.
00:50:38.000A high saturated fat diet, like the whole coconut oil thing, is highly inflammatory in the absence of plant polyphenols and flavanols, which is why if you're doing a high fat ketotic diet, it needs to be a plant-rich high fat ketotic diet, otherwise it's inflammatory.
00:50:54.000You can get a lot of your fats from that.
00:50:55.000Yeah, I mean, avocados, yes, but I'm talking about more like, you know, doing coconut oil and butter and, you know, your avocado chocolate pudding and all these things, you know, your ketogenic fat bombs and all these recipes that are out there.
00:51:06.000But you've got to eat a lot of plants.
00:51:09.000And even in the animal kingdom, you know, you see animals when they rip up another animal, like a carnivorous animal, they're eating the intestines and they're eating a lot of the organs that are chock full of what?
00:51:18.000Grass, plants, herbs, whatever that omnivorous animal that the carnivorous animal is.
00:52:05.000So with some people, but she might have some outrageous allergic reaction to plants.
00:52:12.000I don't think the meat wasn't the medicine, probably the elimination of whatever she eliminated.
00:52:17.000She might have some sort of a real serious problem, some sort of allergic reaction to some plants or to gluten and maybe a bunch of different things.
00:52:30.000It's the elimination, not the magic of just eating meat.
00:52:34.000But Sean Baker keeps going on and on about how meat heals and meat this and meat that, all carnivorous diet and all these people are trying it.
00:52:42.000It's got a lot of good stuff going for it, but restriction of plant matter, in my opinion, long-term is not a good idea.
00:52:50.000And eating meat all the time long-term is not necessarily a good idea.
00:52:54.000And eating only plants with the absence of some meat-based protein is for a lot of populations.
00:53:00.000Yeah, well, that's the point, is that for most people, you're going to have to experiment a little bit to figure out what works best for you.
00:53:07.000And there are people that, especially if you use E3 Live and algae and get your B12 vitamins and your fat-soluble vitamins, you can live off a vegan diet.
00:53:17.000But you really have to be careful about it.
00:53:18.000But then there's other people where they can't.
00:53:20.000And you really have to figure out what the fuck is going on with your own body.
00:53:24.000But this carnivore thing, to me, is kind of tweaking me out because I just don't It's like they start talking about the poisons and phytotoxins and all these things that are in plants that are bad for you.
00:54:08.000If I'm not in the sauna, then I'm wearing more clothes than I would normally wear when I go to the gym to get my heart rate up and actually get myself into the discomfort of hot for the heat shock protein and the nitric oxide every Yeah,
00:54:24.000they're doing tests right now at Harvard for hot yoga.
00:54:26.000They're trying to figure out if hot yoga has the same hormetic stress response as sauna.
00:54:32.000Because they know there's been quite a bit of work done on sauna.
00:55:03.000I travel with them everywhere, these Katsu training devices, and I just, you know, tie them like tourniquets around my arms, around my legs, and they do a lot of studies in seniors for muscle maintenance without the need for as much joint impact.
00:55:15.000But what happens is you get micro damage to the capillaries, you get a big release of lactic acid, which causes you to produce more growth hormone after the workout.
00:55:23.000I mean, in my opinion, for body weight training, like, at this point, Katsu training, like, doubles.
00:55:31.000I haven't really gotten into it, but I'm very big on the sauna to the point where obviously we have one here at the studio that I use all the time.
00:55:37.000I just think it's, you know, those stressors that they're talking about as being a negative thing with eating vegetables, I just don't buy it.
00:55:50.000In excess or in people like your friend with the immune system issue or people with leaky gut or damage, there might be a period of time where you actually have to Be careful and really careful with gluten, which is a digestive stressor.
00:56:03.000And again, even that in small amounts is probably good for you.
00:56:06.000They've even shown that kids who get gluten restricted when their kids wind up having more issues with gluten later on in life because their guts might be weaker.
00:56:14.000But yeah, lectins and plant phytochemicals and a lot of things that plants use to poison mammals or to cause their seeds to be undigested and pass out through the digestive tract and the stool of the mammals.
00:58:31.000See, all we have up in my land is a tick that, as long as you get them off within 24 hours...
00:58:36.000That doesn't allow them to produce the saliva that would make them release their hold on your skin, and it's that that produces yellow fever, not the actual tick bite itself.
00:58:46.000So you don't get a lot of Lyme up where I'm at, but I've never heard of this lone star tick.
00:58:50.000Well, Lyme is much more prevalent on the East Coast.
01:00:23.000Yeah, I use that when I cook some of the meat from Hawaii just because it seems right to use salt from the volcanoes in Hawaii.
01:00:31.000And I rub cayenne, black pepper, salt, and then to reduce the carcinogens that can form when you cook meat, either thyme or rosemary or both.
01:00:40.000Thyme or rosemary reduces carcinogens?
01:00:43.000Yeah, they reduce the formation of, I think they call them, polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons.
01:00:51.000These things that form on the meat when you blacken the meat.
01:00:54.000Because you want to get a good crisp sear on the outside of the meat.
01:00:56.000So it's nice and crunchy on the outside.
01:00:58.000So you restrict a lot of the unhealthy effects of doing that when you get some kind of an herb in there like that.
01:02:25.000Then you put the steak on and you do exactly for a perfect medium rare, three and a half minutes one side, three and a half minutes the other side.
01:02:33.000Then you take it out and this is where you get, they're probably about that thick.
01:02:49.000So anyways, then you put it into the oven.
01:02:54.000You take that entire cast iron skillet, you put the oven on broil, and you broil it for one minute on one side, and then you turn it over and you do one minute on the other side.
01:03:04.000And then you take it out of the oven and you finish it with butter.
01:03:08.000Meaning when you take it out of the oven, you just take the steak off the cast iron skillet, shove it aside, just put it on a plate, whatever.
01:03:13.000And you take a pat of butter and you can infuse the butter.
01:03:17.000You can use like garlic infused butter.
01:03:19.000I just use a plain old grass fed butter.
01:04:31.000That's what our pellet stove looked like when I was growing up.
01:04:34.000So the pellets go into the hopper, and then at the bottom there's a gear, like a worm drive, that feeds the pellets into that fire at the bottom that comes from an element.
01:04:45.000So the element, and then there's a fan.
01:04:46.000So once it's lit, the element shuts off, and then the fire is stoked by this fan, and it's all temperature controlled, like very, very precisely.
01:04:55.000One of the good things, what I like about this Traeger that I've seen is that it seals up like a Yeti cooler.
01:05:02.000Like it's very insulated and thick, so it's really good at retaining the perfect temperature.
01:05:06.000And again, you can do it on your phone.
01:06:42.000I mean, that's the reverse sear method.
01:06:44.000The idea is that I'm cooking it to a perfect internal temperature of 120 degrees, which will raise both in the Yeti Cooler and also from the searing on the outside.
01:06:52.000So once I get the cast iron pan heated up...
01:07:23.000Well, I'm a big fan of these pellet grills because you get this real smoky flavor to your food that comes from hardwood, but there's no chemicals.
01:07:31.000They compress the hardwood sawdust just with natural sugars, the natural sugars in the sawdust.
01:07:37.000And, you know, there's a bunch of different companies.
01:07:39.000There's Green Mountain Grill makes a good grill.
01:08:46.000And we were talking about some of the studies out there on acesulfamine potassium and the potential for it to have neurotoxicity or sucralose to cause things like microbiome issues and death of bacteria in the gut.
01:09:48.000So actually, it's making, I haven't delved into the research yet, but it's at least made me think last night about reconsidering my stance.
01:09:55.000Because what I usually do is I just use Stevia and like Pellegrino.
01:10:00.000Like my refrigerator is just full of Pellegrino.
01:10:53.000Well, proteolytic enzymes, one of the reasons they work is they break down fibrinogen, and they're almost like an enzyme, right?
01:11:01.000That same thing if you have no marinade.
01:11:04.000And nothing at all the tenderized meat.
01:11:05.000You get your digestive enzymes, your Onnit gut pack or whatever you have around, and you break open the capsules and you sprinkle that on top of the meat.
01:11:13.000It's like a form of ceviche almost, right?
01:11:16.000Like you do with lemon and lime and fish.
01:11:47.000It's a potent ergogenic aid, but the problem is that it causes gut distress when you take as much as they use in a lot of these studies.
01:11:55.000More and more what the studies are doing is you're dosing with small amounts of baking soda for two to three hours leading into your workout.
01:12:04.000If Pellegrino has pretty high levels of sodium bicarbonate in it, which it does, it's got more sodium bicarbonate in it than any of the other bottled waters, like twice as much as Gerald Steiner and any of these other waters out there, I'm kind of dosing with a little bit of a lactic acid buffer all day long.
01:12:19.000So anytime I want to jump into a workout, I'm able to push myself a little bit harder.
01:12:51.000And the cool part about that is that, and the only other thing I know of that can do this are green tea polyphenols, is they act as an anti-inflammatory post-exercise without blunting the hormetic response, that positive,
01:13:07.000beneficial, stressful response we were talking about with exercise.
01:13:10.000And so you can have your cake and eat it too, right?
01:13:12.000You get your antioxidants, you shut down inflammation, and it doesn't blunt.
01:13:15.000In this case, the hormetic response to exercise would be the proliferation of satellite cells and the production of new mitochondria, which is why you shouldn't take a bunch of vitamin C and vitamin E and some of these high antioxidant compounds post-workout.
01:13:28.000Same reason you shouldn't do a cold bath post-workout.
01:13:31.000And the idea is that hydrogen-rich water allows you to shut down inflammation without blunting that hormetic response.
01:13:37.000Why shouldn't you take a cold bath post-workout?
01:13:40.000And there's a certain period of time where they think you should, you could, but you have to give your body a time to adjust.
01:14:09.000Now, the exception to that rule is that if you exercise any closer than three hours to bedtime, it elevates body temperature to the point where it affects your deep sleep cycles.
01:14:22.000And one reason for that is because your core temperature is elevated.
01:14:26.000So for me, if I do an evening workout, and I do hard later afternoon, early evening workouts quite often, I will still take a cold shower.
01:14:35.000I bought one of those endless pools, you know, like those fitness pools that you swim in, and I keep it out in the forest behind my house, and it's just chock full of cold water.
01:14:43.000Yeah, we talked about that last time here.
01:14:46.000But it decreases your core temperature and allows you to sleep better later on if you do that after an evening workout.
01:14:53.000So even though it probably restricts the efficacy of the workout a little bit, It lets you sleep better.
01:14:58.000Yeah, my reasoning is that I'm going to sleep way better and the benefits I get from a good solid night's sleep outweigh any loss of benefit from decreasing a little bit of that mitochondrial density and satellite cell proliferation.
01:15:11.000So when you're doing this late night workout, how long before you go to sleep are you doing this?
01:15:17.000What research has shown is that it's ideal to finish a hard workout within three hours before bedtime if you don't want to Fuck with your sleep.
01:15:33.000Usually 9.30, 9.45, I'm in bed reading, and I'm going to sleep around 10, 10.30.
01:15:38.000So if I'm not finishing up a workout until like 7.30, which is the case sometimes, you know, I finish work, I'm not...
01:15:43.000Getting into the workout until like 6.45, 7. Like sometimes I'm working out closer to bedtime in three hours.
01:15:48.000So in that case, I'll do the cold shower.
01:15:49.000I did a podcast recently with Dr. Matthew Walker about sleep and it's kind of changed the way I feel about sleep and the importance of it and how much you need.
01:15:59.000I used to think you could just power through and get through with like three, four hours at night and you'd be fine.
01:16:32.000He works with a lot of these European soccer teams.
01:16:35.000And what he looks at is not the seven to nine hours of sleep, not how many hours of sleep per night you get, but the number of sleep cycles, right, from stage one to stage five sleep that you get throughout the course of the week, meaning you're supposed to get 31 to 35 sleep cycles over seven days.
01:16:52.000And so you might get three sleep cycles one night and five sleep cycles another night.
01:16:57.000And he also, I haven't seen research to back this up, but this is what he does with his athletes, is he counts a 20 to 30 minute power nap.
01:17:29.000I literally just wrote an article about this this morning on my website.
01:17:33.000You should listen to the podcast with Matthew Walker because he's pretty in-depth about what's recommended and why and the risk of Alzheimer's for people to get less than five hours sleep a night.
01:18:12.000Oh, I have these Normatec boots that I lay in, these gradated compression boots that kind of move the compression from the ankle all the way up to the hips.
01:18:52.000I'm sounding like a princess now, but I have an assistant who lives at my house, and she really helps out with a lot of stuff.
01:18:59.000She does the banking, and she helps out with bringing stuff to the post office, and she's just there whenever I need her to do stuff.
01:19:07.000She's back home with the kids right now, so she's just kind of like a live-in assistant.
01:19:12.000And every day, about 12, 30 or 1, We're good to go.
01:19:38.000So the idea with sleep, though, is, yeah, if you nap and if you pay closer attention to the number of sleep cycles that you get each week, I think that's more important than getting, like, seven to nine hours a night.
01:19:49.000How would you know how many sleep cycles unless you're monitoring it?
01:20:39.000I was at a Finland biohacking conference and there was this tiny little table with one guy that saw this little ring and all of a sudden it's just like everywhere now.
01:20:57.000But it's kind of cool because you can pull up your body temperature during the night, so a woman could use this to track her cycles.
01:21:05.000It will tell you your heart rate variability, which I used to measure every morning when I'd wake up.
01:21:10.000I'd look at my parasympathetic and my sympathetic nervous system score, and then I'd be able to tell if I should do a hard workout that day or if I should do an easy workout that day.
01:22:11.000I would imagine if you do a lot of upper body activity, like maybe you're a pitcher, maybe a swimmer, a boxer, someone who's doing a lot of upper body activity, that the arms would be efficacious.
01:22:32.000So it's apparently a form of compression that they've patented, unlike a lot of the other boots out there, to where the first time it inflates it measures the diameter of your limbs.
01:22:45.000And then it bases every subsequent compression to be customized to the diameter, the girth of your limbs, and pump the blood.
01:22:54.000In this case, if you're wearing the feet or the leggings from your ankles all the way up to your hips.
01:23:01.000You had a picture, was that Lomachenko in one of those earlier pictures?
01:23:05.000No, it was another one earlier than that.
01:23:08.000I mean, your legs feel light as a feather after you use them.
01:23:12.000And so this compression, like as it's doing the compressing, what is it doing to the legs by just compressing?
01:23:19.000It's pumping blood, like up and away from all the extremities.
01:24:02.000It could get expensive to do that, because now you've got to have two inflation units rather than just one, because you can't plug them all in at once.
01:24:11.000Well, that's the UFC featherweight champ.
01:24:13.000Well, if he's the UFC featherweight champ, he can afford the Cadillac of Marshmallow Man suits.
01:24:19.000Well, he's at Honolulu cryotherapy getting his freak on.
01:24:23.000That's what a lot of these cryotherapy centers have now.
01:24:26.000They've got the walk-in cryotherapy, they've got the Normatech boots, they've got the vibration platform so you can lose weight while you're standing there on the vibration platform.
01:25:13.000That's like my one-two combo for having a really good dump in the mornings is there's this herbal blend called Triphala, T-R-I-P-H-A-L-A. And I put about a half teaspoon of that into a cup, and it's super bitter.
01:25:27.000So I put some stevia in there or something to sweeten it up a little bit.
01:25:31.000And I pour the hot water over that, and you have that at night, right, before you go to bed.
01:25:35.000And you wake up in the morning, and you could use a vibration platform.
01:26:01.000But my protocol for staying lean, I did this because I used to be 215 pounds and I had to shed a lot of weight to get into Ironman triathlon.
01:26:10.000So I did Ironman triathlon for about eight years.
01:26:12.000And the way that I stayed lean for races was you get up in the morning and you have a cup of coffee or green tea.
01:26:18.000Because both of those can help to mobilize fatty acids from adipose tissue.
01:26:22.000And you do this when you're in that fasted state that I was talking about.
01:26:25.000So you wake up after a 12 to 16 hour fast and you take the cup of coffee or the green tea.
01:26:30.000And then you go exercise or move aerobically.
01:26:34.000For whatever time you have available, 20 to 45 minutes.
01:26:51.000Unless I've got a very busy day and I know that I'm not going to get a hard workout at any other time.
01:26:56.000I save my hard workout for the later afternoon or the early evening when your body temp peaks and your grip strength peaks and your post-workout reaction time or your post-workout protein synthesis peaks, your reaction time peaks.
01:27:10.000Your body is very equipped to do a hard workout in the afternoon or the evening more than it is in the morning.
01:27:16.000Well, the way you can really tell is jujitsu.
01:27:18.000My jujitsu training in the morning, I'm way weaker.
01:27:26.000So the idea is also when you do a hard workout in the morning, you get a lot of times post-workout caloric compensation, meaning you just want to eat everything in sight until freaking lunch.
01:27:59.000It'll be a walk in the sunshine, so I'm getting my vitamin D. I'll do breath work where I'll breathe in through my nose and do breath hold.
01:28:07.000I'm still making my body better, but I'm not stressing it out with a lot of eccentric muscle tissue damage.
01:28:12.000And then I finish up that whole session with a cold shower.
01:28:16.000So I'm getting a lot of those benefits of white adipose tissue to brown fat conversion in the absence of any inflammation, right?
01:28:23.000Inflammation and calories keep the white fat from getting converted into brown fat, which is what you want when you're doing a cold shower or a cold soak or some kind of cold thermogenesis.
01:28:32.000And I'm able to stay super lean with that protocol.
01:28:35.000You get up, caffeine, aerobic exercise in a fasted state, you finish up with a cold.
01:28:41.000I mean, even if you weren't working out, you can stay pretty lean with that type of protocol.
01:28:45.000And this is what you did specifically to try to lose weight?
01:28:48.000I did it originally to just shed muscle.
01:28:52.000And then I would do really long, catabolic, chronic cardio, endurance workouts, which are not that great for you.
01:29:17.000Now for these fasted workouts, If you are going to do a fasted hard workout in the morning, you can stay anabolic but relatively non-insulinogenic without spiking your blood glucose too heavily with something like amino acids.
01:29:32.000So it's like a lot of people will do a branched chain amino acid or an essential amino acid.
01:29:36.000You elevate your blood levels of amino acids.
01:29:39.000It allows you to stave off central nervous system fatigue, keeps you from shedding too much muscle, and you just spike your blood levels of amino acids and then go into your workout.
01:29:47.000And you can even throw something like ketones into the mix too.
01:29:50.000So that's like a very hypo caloric way to get a pre-workout sup in without actually getting a lot of calories in at the same time.
01:29:57.000We were talking before the podcast about different athletes and diets and things along those lines, and you were saying that you don't think it's a good idea for a pro athlete, particularly like a basketball player, to be on a ketogenic diet.
01:30:29.000I think I told you about my morning smoothie the last time I was on, and it's just, you know, like coconut milk and bone broth and these precursors to NAD, which is another very, very...
01:30:38.000That probably next to stem cells is one of the most potent anti-aging protocols that you can engage in.
01:30:45.000Nicotinamide, adenine, dinucleotide is what that is.
01:30:48.000And I can tell you about that in a second.
01:30:50.000I'll just briefly tell you about this cyclic ketogenic diet.
01:30:53.000Basically, it's all plants, all fats, no carbs or very low carbs the entire day.
01:30:58.000And then in the evening, and this is where the beauty of that scenario I talked about earlier fits in because you've done your hard afternoon or early evening workout.
01:31:06.000So your GLUT4 transporters are very upregulated.
01:31:09.000You're very insulin sensitive and any carbohydrates that you do eat are far more likely to be shuttled into muscle or liver glycogen rather than hanging around the bloodstream causing inflammation or rather than being, you know, shuttled to the liver and converted into triglycerides.
01:31:23.000You're basically using the carbohydrates that you do eat at the end of the day to sock away energy for the next day's hard glycolytically demanding workout.
01:31:32.000And so basically you're teaching your body how to be a fat burning machine all day long.
01:31:37.000You're restricting any amount of glycemic variability all day long, assuming you're not doing the carnivorous diet because high amounts of meat, it's gluconeogenic.
01:33:17.000I just said it and I had to explain what I was saying because it sounded weird to me.
01:33:21.000Anyways, though, the cyclic ketogenic diet allows you to be back in the state of ketosis by that morning easily, and then you just basically maintain that all day long, then you refuel on carbohydrates at the end of the day.
01:33:35.000And then there was another question that you asked, oh, about NAD. That's something completely different.
01:34:19.000For metabolism, for body composition, for maintaining fitness, for teaching yourself how to be a fat-burning machine while still refilling the body with carbohydrate stores.
01:35:20.000So you've probably heard a lot of these sirtuin-rich foods like blueberries and cacao and chocolate and resveratrol and a lot of them work but the most powerful of any of these is NAD and your NAD to NADH ratio is highly reflective of your telomere health.
01:35:36.000And these are the most horribly painful and uncomfortable injections or IVs you would ever get in your life.
01:36:02.000So one way to do it is in a medical clinic, you can get a six to eight hour IV. You bring your laptop in, you work away, and some people do this on a monthly basis.
01:36:10.000Six to eight hours of NAD? It's a long drip.
01:36:14.000You do it on a monthly basis, so they just pick a day a month.
01:36:16.000Some of the guys down at Onnit do it, and they'll have a nurse come in and push it a little bit more quickly.
01:36:19.000That's like an hour-long IV. Is it just beneficial to do it short like that?
01:36:27.000The shorter you get, the more uncomfortable it gets because you're pushing this stuff into your bloodstream more quickly and it feels like your whole body is on fire.
01:36:34.000I mean, you have to box, breathe and close your eyes and meditate.
01:36:38.000It's like, have you ever done DMT? It's like DMT, but you're on fire and getting punched in the gut at the same time and you feel like your heart's going to explode.
01:37:13.000So I get it shipped to my house, and I do a self-administered push IV. I do the same thing with Myers cocktails.
01:37:18.000So I just shove a butterfly needle into my vein, and then I push this NAD in very, very slowly.
01:37:24.000And you can even chase it with a Myers cocktail, which enhances the effectiveness of it, meaning you can do like a...
01:37:29.000An NAD, and this is a common protocol in a lot of anti-aging clinics or a lot of, you know, like alternative health clinics, is you do the NAD injection and you follow that up with a Myers cocktail and you feel like Superman.
01:38:06.000It's like Sherlock Holmes when Watson tells him his name and he says, I'm going to work hard to forget that because he doesn't want anything cluttering up his head at all aside from his sleuthing.
01:38:15.000So is there an NAD place in LA where I can go and do this?
01:39:10.000So it tests the rate at which your telomeres are shortening.
01:39:13.000And the two things that have had the most profound effect on my results from that test have been the stem cell injections intravenously and the NAD injections.
01:39:23.000My biological age right now, which started off at an age of 37 when I was 34 and then decreased to 35 when I tested again at 36 years old, Dude,
01:40:56.000That's another really fascinating one.
01:40:58.000You can buy that on Amazon as a powder.
01:41:00.000And I put a lot of this stuff in my morning smoothie now.
01:41:02.000So when I wake up, you know, I've got chlorella, I've got DHA, I've got this stuff called Pau de Arco Bark Tea, which also enhances your own NAD production.
01:41:15.000Vitamin C to enhance the bone broth uptake.
01:41:17.000So you can kind of make yourself a little cocktail of ingredients that you just take in the morning without necessarily spending 8,000 bucks on a stem cell and extraction and injection.
01:41:27.000Have you thought about like having some sort of an online thing where people could subscribe to a protocol and you would, you know...
01:41:35.000Well, what I thought about doing was just making like a supplement or something like that, like where you could take all this stuff and just combine it into a shake or into some kind of a supplement.
01:41:45.000And I mean, some people who don't understand the supplement industry or formulation say, well, why don't I just put all this stuff in a capsule?
01:41:52.000But I mean, one compound can decrease the absorptability of the other compound or, you know, one compound will create it.
01:41:59.000You know, an acidic or an alkaline scenario in which the other one doesn't work well.
01:42:06.000But ultimately, you know, at this point, I just blend it all in a blender and kind of keep my fingers crossed and dump it all into my big-ass mug.
01:42:11.000But it seems like, you know, someone like you who knows so much about this stuff, it would be a great resource if people could subscribe to something and you guys could put together some sort of a protocol for people that they could follow it on a daily basis.
01:42:38.000And, you know, I saw yesterday that you tweeted out, you know, my friend Nina Teicholz's data, you know, encouraging the high-saturated fat intake.
01:42:49.000And I love her, and I love her approach, and I love the idea that she is getting a lot of people, you know, via lobbying to focus less on grains and a high-carb diet, which I think is helpful for a lot of people.
01:43:02.000But at the same time, there are genes, right?
01:43:05.000Like the PPAR1-alpha gene, which would cause a little bit of an inflammatory response to high intake of fats or to a lot of saturated fats without a lot of poly or monounsaturated fats.
01:43:18.000I think the last time that we talked, we talked about familial hypercholesteremia, where some people, if they shift to a ketogenic or a high-fat diet, it screws them from a metabolic standpoint because they get not only high cholesterol, but high particle count and oxidation of that cholesterol.
01:43:41.000For example, like a Catavan diet would be what you'd consume if you were eating or if you had this familial hypercholesteroid where you'd eat a lot of tubers and fish and coconut meat and wild plants.
01:43:53.000And that's technically like a 70% to 80% carbohydrate-based diet.
01:43:57.000Not with a lot of grains, not with a lot of junk food, but that would be a diet more appropriate for someone with that issue.
01:44:04.000Someone with a PPAR gene issue, they'd want to eat less of the coconut oil and the butter and the cheeses and more of like the avocados and the extra virgin olive oil, more of the Mediterranean diet approach.
01:44:16.000I mentioned earlier the fact that coconut oil and a lot of these saturated fats and a lot of people are inflammatory, so they would want to eat a lot of A lot of antioxidants and flavanol and polyphenol-rich, you know, small, non-sugary berries and dark leafy greens.
01:44:32.000And so, yeah, again, you could have a subscription-based service that teaches people a lot of these things, but then once again, you've got to have either artificial intelligence that's screening each person to look at what they actually need, or you've got a real person talking to each person, looking at their labs and saying,
01:44:47.000okay, this is the one that would work well for you, rather than just saying, okay, this is Ben's smoothie.
01:44:54.000Yeah, I went to this one thing once where they monitored my blood and I abandoned it immediately because they told me I shouldn't have avocados.
01:45:38.000It's nonsense in the sense of the recommendation.
01:45:39.000You technically have the immunoglobulin reaction to avocados, and there's no bodies in the streets, no evidence that that's going to actually hurt you.
01:45:48.000That's the problem is just you would have to go on some sort of a very neutral diet for a long period of time, get your body's baseline established, get your blood work done along the way.
01:46:00.000Whatever, rice for a month and then get it taken, you know, no proteins at all.
01:46:04.000And even then, what would that do with your blood?
01:46:06.000You could probably do like a washout, like a five-day fast.
01:46:09.000And that's that new Valter Longo longevity diet is you do, I think it's five over the, no, once a quarter, five-day fasts.
01:46:18.000To clean you out, to get all the benefits of cellular autophagy.
01:46:20.000And with that particular diet, I was talking before about how long-term calorie restriction is bad for you.
01:46:27.000And this whole idea of intermittent fasting with caloric restriction creates hormone deficits and associated with gallstones and all sorts of nasty things happen to your body when you don't give it enough calories.
01:46:37.000What about long-term, like, you know, when people go on those five-day fasts, like Dom Dogg-Sino's?
01:46:42.000That's Walter Longo's approach is you do a five-day fast just a few times a year.
01:46:46.000And I think in active individuals and athletes, he only recommends like two or three times a year max that you do this five-day fast and you put it in an off-season or recovery phase or some period of time where you're not training heavily.
01:46:57.000And that scenario would allow you to get a lot of the cellular autophagy and the cleanup benefits.
01:47:02.000And theoretically, you could do that, right?
01:47:04.000And then go get your food allergy tests.
01:47:15.000Like, I just have too much shit going on.
01:47:17.000There aren't many times during the year when I can point out a five-day slot in my schedule where I'm not hunting or competing or working out or doing something that requires me to need calories or else I'm already skinny.
01:47:30.000I can't go for a long time without eating and my metabolism is sky high.
01:47:34.000So what I do is a 12 to 16 hour fast every day.
01:47:38.000Not a calorically restricted fast, but just 12 to 16 hours without eating every single day.
01:47:44.000On the lower activity days, I take in less protein and I restrict meat.
01:47:48.000So on the days where I'm not beating up my body too much, like a Wednesday and a Sunday, which are more recovery days, those are the days when I do...
01:48:26.000The coffee enema not only cleans out your colon, but it causes your liver and your gallbladder specifically to increase bioproduction.
01:48:34.000It upregulates your glutathione production, your endogenous glutathione production.
01:48:39.000And so you're increasing your own production of antioxidants, and it also causes peristalsis, which you just move stuff through that's kind of moving slowly.
01:48:46.000So once a week, Wednesday mornings, I get up.
01:49:54.000And my best dumps are when I'm hunting or I'm camping.
01:49:56.000You hold onto a tree and you kind of lean back and it's perfect.
01:50:01.000So on those days that I'm doing coffee enemas or sauna or any of my weird woo-woo things that don't involve workouts, I do protein restriction because I'm not beating up my body that much.
01:50:12.000Coffee enema doesn't cause a lot of eccentric muscle tissue damage unless you've done something horribly wrong.
01:50:17.000So, I basically have those days as my lower protein days, and then once a week, and this would be unless I'm traveling, because it's harder to do when you travel, I do a 24 hour fast.
01:50:27.000Saturday at dinner, you stop eating, sleep all night, all you gotta do is skip breakfast on Sunday, and skip lunch on Sunday, and then have dinner on Sunday night.
01:50:36.000And so I get the benefits of the longer fast, right, because a lot of those cellular autophagy and endogenous stem cell production benefits don't kick in until you're about 16 hours in.
01:50:45.000So I get that benefit once a week, even though for me, really, it comes up to about twice a month that I'm actually at home because I travel so much doing that full 24-hour fast.
01:50:57.000I just fill things in throughout that day to keep my appetite satiated.
01:51:00.000And sometimes I'll do some of those...
01:51:02.000New ketone esters and sometimes we'll do some amino acids or a cup of bone broth.
01:51:08.000That doesn't count as breaking your fast?
01:51:09.000It's kind of sort of cheating, but it's a speed bump for a skinny, high metabolism guy like me to have a cup of 40 calorie bone broth in the middle of the day during a 24 hour fast.
01:51:21.000Would the ketone esters also break your fast?
01:51:26.000Technically, from just a pure, very simple physiology standpoint, your body would need to utilize those ketones for energy before it would turn some of your own acetyl-CoA derived from your fat into extra ketones.
01:51:40.000But I just like the way I feel while I'm fasting using these, especially like the newer ketone esters.
01:51:46.000And the ketone esters, aren't you supposed to take them with glucose?
01:51:52.000You are going to get a huge performance advantage by taking them with glucose, but that's also, it's an ancestrally inappropriate state for the human body to have simultaneously elevated levels of blood glucose and elevated levels of blood ketones,
01:52:11.000because traditionally we'd have elevated our blood ketones through fasting.
01:52:15.000And while I'm okay with elevating blood ketones via a non-ancestral route, such as the consumption of these ketone esters designed, you know, by the U.S. Department of Defense for soldiers in battle who have to go two or three days without eating or for, you know, Tour de France riders have been using them for a while.
01:52:31.000The idea of consuming glucose along with those ketones and spiking blood glucose, which can have a little bit of an inflammatory oxidative effect, is not something I would do unless I were in a race or in a really hard, demanding workout.
01:52:46.000That's where something like that, you can use like rocket fuel.
01:52:51.000Some kind of like a fructose maltodextrin blend, which the Gatorade Sports Science Institute has shown allows you to get a really high absorption of carbohydrates rather than You know, just maltodextrin or just glucose or just fructose.
01:53:04.000Then you add in ketone esters on top of that, and then to stave off what's called central nervous system fatigue, the crossing of tryptophan into the brain, which kind of makes you feel, you know, turkey dinner sleep effect during exercise.
01:53:15.000You throw essential amino acids into that.
01:53:18.000So you've got amino acids, ketones, and glucose, and that mix is...
01:54:07.000Eating, or really the consumption of anything, supplements, coffee, tea, etc., that's also a circadian cue.
01:54:15.000There's a researcher, Dr. Sachin Panda, who's got some really good research on circadian rhythmicity.
01:54:21.000And what he says is that the consumption of anything...
01:54:25.000Can disrupt circadian biology if you're fasting for the purposes of regulating your circadian rhythms.
01:54:32.000Maybe you've got insomnia, poor sleep patterns, inflammation due to lack of sleep or lack of, you know, the lymphatic drainage and consolidation of memory and everything that occurs during deep sleep.
01:54:44.000That would be a situation in which you just wouldn't want to eat anything during a fast.
01:54:49.000But if your fast is for the purposes of, let's say, fat loss or even some of the endogenous stem cell production benefits of fasting, an acaloric cup of coffee Is not gonna cause any issues and furthermore if you're concerned about like the cholesterols in the coffee use a paper filter because you're gonna filter out most of the cholesterols as well versus like a French press or You know or a steel filter.
01:56:05.000And then, even though it is admittedly non-insulinogenic, and it's actually quite a kick in the pants, as you know, you know, when you blend fats with coffee, you get the kaffestal and the kawail, they cross the blood-brain barrier, they amp you up psychologically, you're also getting, your body has to burn those calories before it burns a lot of its own calories.
01:56:22.000So, that's not something you would do well in a fasted state.