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00:00:21.000There's controversy every five seconds.
00:00:23.000You know, I had a guy on before, the guy that you just met, Dr. Robert Schock.
00:00:27.000He's a geologist from Boston University and he is a part of this back dating of the ancient, the history of Egypt.
00:00:37.000And they're talking about You know, all these different structures that might be thousands and thousands of years older than people think they are.
00:00:43.000And one of the things that he's working on is that there was coronal mass ejections from the sun somewhere around 10,000 years ago that basically killed off a giant percentage of the population on the planet.
00:00:55.000Lightning storms, millions of times greater than anything we've ever experienced before.
00:00:59.000That literally was like lightning coming down like rain, barbecuing the ground, killing people, people forced into caves, civilization resets.
00:01:07.000It's almost like we need something like that to really be upset about.
00:03:48.000There's one thing that is absolutely happening, whether people like it or not, or believe it or not, is that people are trying to silence other people's opinions.
00:03:55.000If you say something that doesn't jive with them, instead of saying, wow, this lady's kind of out there, or she's saying some shit that I'm not sure I agree with, instead of that, they're like, fuck!
00:05:20.000My mom told me that she went to bed, got up in the morning, and she had got up and put red lipstick and nail polish all over the white bathroom carpet.
00:06:08.000I guess you could say it's a little bit of paranoia.
00:06:10.000But once I started down this journey of realizing that, oh my god, I lived for 26 years and my mind wasn't my own.
00:06:16.000I thought being a liberal was okay and everything that was said on TV was okay.
00:06:21.000Then it's very easy to sort of get a little paranoid and go, okay, well, what else do I accept normally that is actually retrospectively a little weird?
00:06:29.000And I started thinking about drinking.
00:06:30.000I'm like, how can drinking possibly be the cure to everything?
00:06:47.000I just feel like, and then I did like a little bit of math, and I calculated that since I had started drinking when I was like 14 years old, and I would say like fair, like I drink every weekend, probably more in college, maybe five days a week in college, right?
00:07:00.000Then I was like, wow, I've technically drank for like three years of my life, and that feels weird.
00:07:04.000So I'm just not going to drink anymore.
00:07:42.000But if one person is sober, watching everybody, writing shit down.
00:07:46.000And I'm at the age where all my friends are getting married and the first thing they say when I say I don't drink is like, you're not going to drink at my wedding?
00:07:52.000And I'm like, well, yeah, is that okay?
00:08:07.000I stopped drinking last November, so it hasn't been like super long, but long enough for people to really have some weird feelings about it.
00:09:52.000This guy had this theory that alcohol, and people call alcohol spirits or whatever, that when you drink, it allows evil spirits to come into your body.
00:10:15.000And then I realized, like, who else doesn't drink?
00:10:16.000Like, the most, like, successful, like, Donald Trump has never drank alcohol, which is just fascinating, because I'm like, I don't know how.
00:11:42.000There's a certain number of drinks where it's fun, and then there's a certain number of drinks where you're like, wow, human beings are weird.
00:11:49.000I mean, look, I'm sure I'm not gonna, like, never drink again, but, like, I'm not even, I don't even think about it.
00:11:54.000Like, it's just, like, this is the new Candace.
00:11:57.000I'm sure, like, when I get married, right, like, I'm not gonna not have, like, a glass of champagne, but, like, right now, like, especially with, like, the stuff that I'm doing, I'm, like, I just don't have the energy to be, like, tired.
00:12:35.000Yeah, strange things happen on the internet.
00:12:37.000But yeah, I just kind of, I was really passionate.
00:12:41.000I understood I had studied for, like, it sounds strange, but like, I spent a year underground, like, studying politics once I had my red pill moment, if that's what you want to call it.
00:12:50.000Well, explain that, because you used to be a liberal.
00:14:04.000Well, there was a prank phone call, so I didn't know.
00:14:06.000I was like four male voices, and I was like in high school at the time, and I was like, okay, I cannot think of four human beings that want me dead that would say, like, we're gonna put a bullet in the back of your head like we did to Martin Luther King and Rosa Parks, like naming off.
00:14:29.000I have my buddy Tommy Jr., he lives in Connecticut, and I'm always telling him, dude, you gotta move out of Connecticut, and it became this terrible running joke where I talk about that Connecticut's the worst state in the country.
00:15:18.000Was this tied to like a boyfriend or a girl who was jealous?
00:15:22.000No, so I was at a boyfriend's house when I got the calls and I just like put it to a sign because it was like blocked number so I was like I didn't think anything of it and then like when I listened to it like it was like some pretty horrific stuff like I definitely cried you know I was 17 years old and then the next day at school I took this like philosophy class and like I don't know what the topic was I don't know what prompted me to raise my hand and like Introduce what had happened last night as a segue.
00:15:45.000Maybe I just need to get off my chest.
00:15:47.000But the teacher spazzed out and was like, get up.
00:15:50.000We're going to the principal's office.
00:16:57.000Some kids prank called to, like, said some awful things to, like, front page of the newspaper throughout the entire state of Connecticut, a little bit in New York, NAACP outside of my school.
00:17:08.000It was, like, this situation that was talking about outrage culture, my first, like, introduction to outrage culture and the things that sort of formed my thoughts.
00:17:16.000Like, this was a very formative experience in my life.
00:17:19.000To me, it was non-political, but my life wasn't mine.
00:17:24.000I went from sitting down watching Talladega Nights with my boyfriend to being the most discussed person in the state of Connecticut.
00:17:32.000What was interesting about it was just that because it was the governor of Connecticut's son that was in this car, They had to get the FBI involved to determine the authenticity of the—like, maybe she called herself.
00:17:43.000Instead of just saying, like, yes, it was my son, he actually let the FBI investigate for six weeks and waited for his son to get arrested six weeks later.
00:22:51.000And there's a little bit of that in all of us.
00:22:53.000Like, I was walking through New York City the other day, and, like, a huge bus, like, just happened to, like, stop in front of me and, like...
00:23:00.000Literally 45 Asians got off and suddenly I was just like I couldn't like walking around like oh I was like why do Asians always travel in packs right like the most bizarre thing like I don't have an issue with them taking a bus and traveling and then afterwards I giggled I was like what a stupid thing a stupid thought to even had to have because I'm frustrated in a moment that I can't like get my bearings in New York City um so yes I think that people in a moment of a frustration of anger if you add alcohol if you add Ambien right Mm
00:26:32.000I hate the idea that you can't say something like they were literally, I mean, everyone piled in, every celebrity on The Sun piled in when I tweeted a couple of weeks ago that I was having a conversation.
00:26:53.000Yeah, but when she had her show, she was not politically correct.
00:26:58.000I don't know if anybody remembers the show Chelsea Lately, but she was making fun of everybody.
00:27:02.000And now with the era of Trump, she's like, something's weird.
00:27:06.000Well, she's getting older, and I think she wants to be an activist now, and I think she's looking for more meaning and importance in her life.
00:27:12.000Because she doesn't have a family or children.
00:27:55.000So I tweet out, do you think there's something associated between women who don't have children and they need something to nurture and foster and try to raise?
00:28:12.000She's a kind person, but there's something like, once in a while, I'm just like, what?
00:28:16.000I did actually go back and I said, you know what, Sarah?
00:28:18.000I shouldn't put you in the same category as Kathy and Chelsea, but they're obsessed with everything, and they're completely wrong and educated about everything, and yet they think they can say whatever they want, so I tweet this, I mean, everyone was like, you delete the tweet.
00:28:35.000Like, the Ellen Show's producers, like, I mean, Jake Tapper, like, delete the tweet.
00:29:43.000I was like, imagine if you could say anything to Ivanka.
00:29:44.000This girl's not even going to lose her job.
00:29:46.000And she can say anything to Ivanka, you can say anything to Sarah Sanders, anything to anybody, to me, right?
00:29:50.000Anybody that supports Trump, it doesn't matter.
00:29:52.000But then, like, these women who literally go after these people, like, the amount of vitriol that Chelsea Handler has thrown to Ivanka, you know, to every single woman in the world.
00:30:01.000Chrissy Teigen is also like a, like, she's just, like, angry, like, you know, just like, hate, hate, hate.
00:30:05.000And then, like, you say one thing about them, and, like, they're like, how could you even question?
00:30:10.000How could you even ask the question if it's because they don't have kids?
00:30:14.000And I'm like, the fact that you guys are so outraged makes me sort of think that, you know...
00:33:37.000Like, I grew up seeing my uncles in prison.
00:33:38.000So, like, for me, the only time that I, like, snap back at anyone is if it's something that I care about.
00:33:42.000And obviously, like, I really am passionate about black America.
00:33:44.000I'm really passionate about the changes that can happen for black America.
00:33:47.000And prison reform is something I'm really passionate about.
00:33:49.000So I've been observing how hard Jared Kushner's been working on this, how hard Ivanka has been working on this, and have really understood what they're trying to do.
00:33:56.000I went to the Prison Reform Summit a month ago, and Kim, she doesn't even agree with Trump on a lot of stuff.
00:35:31.000All of that stuff, like when they do stuff like that, it's great and it's honorable.
00:35:34.000But like the stuff that I hate that celebrities do and which I differentiate from and I guess this confuses people is when they just give their opinion.
00:35:42.000Like we, you know, at like the Emmys and they're on stage just like teaching all of us about how wrong, you know, our opinions are.
00:35:48.000It's like I don't need this celebrity grandstanding.
00:36:44.000Remember the days when they used to do that?
00:36:45.000Yeah, they used to say a couple of names of producers, come up with a little piece of paper, and then they used to always thank the man upstairs, and they used to go down.
00:36:51.000Now they have the face and the emotion.
00:37:31.000So he started this because when he won the Academy Award for, I want to say it was Apocalypse Now, he had a Native American guy go on stage and take it in his place to highlight the plight of Native Americans.
00:37:43.000Maybe it was a different movie, but it became his big political speech.
00:38:41.000They're like we can't say shit even back then nobody knew what to do like She's hot as fuck.
00:38:54.000She's really pretty And he has asked me to tell you in a very long speech which I cannot share with you presently and Because of time, but I will be glad to share with the press afterwards that he, very regretfully,
00:39:11.000cannot accept this very generous award.
00:39:15.000And the reasons for this being are the treatment of American Indians today by the film industry.
00:39:34.000And on television, in movie reruns, and also with recent happenings at Wounded Knee.
00:39:41.000I beg at this time that I have not intruded upon this evening, and that we will, in the future, our hearts and our understandings will meet with love.
00:41:07.000Yeah, well, he's right about this, but he was trying to correlate what Kim did with Alice Marie Johnson with that, and I'm like, come on, man, that's totally different.
00:41:15.000And just in general, sometimes he just gets a little hall monitor for me.
00:42:19.000Yeah, because he doesn't like to have...
00:42:22.000It's like once he has an opinion, I like to have conversations, and I like to be wrong about the conversations, because I don't know everything.
00:42:29.000I think that's kind of why people love this podcast so much, because...
00:43:30.000Him, like, you know, him tweeting out, I love the way Ken Stone sings, but beyond that, saying that he openly supported the president.
00:43:35.000So I can see why Ben shuts something like that down initially, because to him, like, Culture is not the way you talk about politics, right?
00:44:04.000They turn to Jay-Z and Beyonce and hip-hop and Kanye and to tell them what's right and what's wrong.
00:44:09.000So for so long, because the left has had a stranglehold on culture, they've had a stranglehold on black America.
00:44:14.000So the most significant thing that opened up this dialogue beyond the work that I was doing was this simple tweet and this simple show of support from Kanye West.
00:44:23.000And I was so frustrated that he had to, in that moment, dismiss him as crazy.
00:44:29.000It's just like, dude, just be willing to learn.
00:44:31.000Just be willing to say, I don't understand why the hell this is the way that Black people are willing to talk about politics, right?
00:45:18.000But so when Charlie and I met and I told him my plan to sort of help black America and to wake them up because I understood how we had fallen victim to this brainwash.
00:46:26.000Because he knows what's happening to black America and he's somebody that built his entire career off the backs of black America, you know, of being the guy who started in the hood in Queens and was a drug dealer and worked his way up and he became the idol for so many people in black America.
00:46:40.000And then he stands on stage and endorses Hillary Clinton.
00:46:43.000He stands on stage and tells black America to put the same people in the White House that locked up more black men than any president in the history of the United States, Bill Clinton.
00:46:51.000The person that stands on the Crime Bill of 94 is Bill Clinton.
00:46:53.000But because Jay-Z is now focused on getting a piece of the pie, the globalist piece of the pie, he doesn't care about black America.
00:47:32.000They were working with Obama very closely.
00:47:35.000And very clearly now, we know that the Obama administration worked very hard to get Hillary Clinton into office.
00:47:40.000And they wanted to stay in that group.
00:47:43.000And so they supported Hillary Clinton who was selected behind closed doors, forget the American people, to be the next president of the United States.
00:47:50.000Yeah, selected certainly by the DNC. Yeah, 100%.
00:47:54.000But beyond that, it was in bed with Obama.
00:47:56.000She was our Secretary of State, and she was doing deals behind closed doors.
00:47:59.000And Jay-Z and Beyonce were a part of that clique.
00:48:02.000So they were a part of the celebrated celebrities that were allowed to go to the White House, and they'd wear the ties, and everybody would be taking photo ops.
00:48:10.000But it was a cool thing to be friends with Obama.
00:48:13.000Nobody wants to go to the White House and celebrities, it's hard to get celebrities to go with Trump.
00:48:18.000There's so much controversy attached to it.
00:48:35.000And people were looking for something to hate her over and she handed it to them.
00:48:39.000Well, it's just, you stick your neck out in that way.
00:48:45.000People on the left, for sure, look at anyone who's a Trump supporter as an open target, even if they're a reasonable person, even if they're a person who's kind and measured and very even-keeled.
00:51:59.000Think about when he makes a tweet on Memorial Day, saying that the dead soldiers would be really happy to know how good the economy is doing and how black unemployment is the lowest it's ever been.
00:53:11.000It's ridiculous that they don't have to misinterpret.
00:53:14.000For example, that moment when he says, oh, if this was the old days, we'd take you out to the back.
00:53:20.000Do you remember that moment when he said while he was running and somebody was causing a circus in the crowd and he was like, get him out of here.
00:53:53.000No, he's saying that statistically speaking, if you look at the people that live in the projects, look at the people that are in poverty, it is black America.
00:53:59.000So he's asking, the past administrations have not been serving you.
00:56:34.000They're so funny and that it's sad that people don't get to see that side so I actually do hope that they all come on this show because it's people should actually see how hilarious they are and how aware of themselves they're like the most to me in my opinion the most likable relatable first family like of my lifetime like you know I can't speak to anyone but they're so you didn't think that Obama You know what's funny?
00:57:01.000I was at a dinner last night with people that came over from Cuba, and this woman said that when she first heard Obama speak, and she was way older, she broke down crying because it reminded her of the first time she heard Fidel Castro speak, which is a bizarre thing to say.
00:57:35.000It was exactly what you wanted to hear Obama said in the perfect tone, with the perfect hand mannerism, with the perfect inflection in his voice.
00:57:47.000And there's something about that to me, especially the person that I am, that just was super inauthentic.
00:57:52.000And I'm not saying, by the way, when Obama won in 2008, I cried.
00:57:57.000I was like, he's black, I'm black, everything's gonna be great, you know?
00:58:01.000But, you know, as things went on and I was watching him, it just, everything seemed so fake and he wasn't really doing anything.
00:58:08.000So I just don't respond to that sort of a personality.
00:58:11.000I like people that are authentic and I think that's why Trump coming in behind him It was so relatable as a president.
00:58:17.000There's this theory, and it's a good one, by Timur Karan, that why do revolutions take place unexpectedly?
00:58:25.000You could argue that right now America is having a revolution.
00:58:28.000We're not out there shooting each other, but there's an ideological revolution, a cultural war, if you want to call it, that's taking place.
00:58:34.000And to many people, this seems unexpected, right?
00:58:35.000Obama was in office and then like, whoa, went to Donald Trump.
00:58:39.000And the theory is that when the public and the private of an individual, our personas, get too far apart, a natural revolution takes place.
00:58:47.000And society really has just been so fake.
01:02:09.000Like, a lot of people that are conservative, they love the fact that you're attractive, you're smart, you're articulate, you're black, and you're fucking forceful with your thoughts and ideas, and you push them through quick, and you're not scared of pissing people off.
01:02:21.000And this is very exciting to conservative people that are on the sidelines, like, yeah!
01:02:25.000It's like, we got a fucking great running back, you know, we're gonna win the Super Bowl this year.
01:02:46.000I wanted to correct the world, I guess.
01:02:48.000I wanted to correct what had happened to me.
01:02:49.000So the first thing was I launched a website, like a blog for young girls that were going through things I had gotten out of the eating disorder.
01:02:55.000And I wanted to just give girls that may be going through something a way to write.
01:04:28.000But the idea that the feedback that we were getting from principals was, like, first try on adults, because, like, if this goes awry, like, to do this for children is, like, not going to be a great idea.
01:04:38.000So I started Kickstarter saying that I'm raising money for this project to help combat online bullying.
01:04:42.000It was like a project that was so from the heart.
01:04:45.000It was just like trying to rectify the wrongs that I felt were done for these kids that aggressed me in high school.
01:04:53.000And instead, I end up in the middle of a firestorm.
01:05:36.000And what were her words that you're saying were threatening?
01:05:39.000First, she started off with, like, I'm the girl that was the victim of Gamergate, and instantly, to me, it was off.
01:05:44.000People don't wear a victim like a badge.
01:05:45.000Like, I knew this, because I had gone through this in high school, and she was like, I'm telling you why you need to kill your project immediately, because there are people, you know, that harass me, and they will harass you if they find out about it.
01:05:56.000I'm trying to save you, like, you know, and I was kind of like, you know, I appreciate the sentiment, but like, no, thank you.
01:06:00.000And then she got, like, You know, increasingly like, you have to kill this project.
01:07:03.000Yeah, I hung up the phone with her and she was like, if you go through this project, these were her last words, you're going to ruin everything.
01:09:16.000I was literally like fully doing this degree 180 thing and I was gonna really try to build this high school like this thing to help kids that everyone says you docs minors like literally like we were building this platform so that children would never have to be like get in serious trouble for doing stupid stuff like via technology ever again.
01:10:02.000Alice in Wonderland like it totally like insane Alice in Wonderland and then like all of a sudden there's like a cat who's like smoking so you think that someone orchestrated this attack 100% fake Trump supporters that were going after you wasn't real yeah that was my like I was like oh how convenient we've been on Kickstarter for three days no one has harassed us you call me and tell me kill the project or I'm gonna get harassed I hang up the phone with you and now or later we're getting inundated with harassment And she was saying that you were going to get harassed by Trump supporters.
01:10:50.000When the Gamergate people, these anonymous men who harass people, the people that harassed me, when they see what you're working on, they're going to freak out.
01:12:21.000Like, you know, like, you just, like, landed.
01:12:23.000And then people that I thought were white nationalists, which was, like, Breitbart, was the only publication that was, like, just telling the truth about what's happening.
01:12:30.000Like, just saying, like, this girl jumped on Kickstarter.
01:12:31.000Like, she's no, like, no leg in this race.
01:14:26.000If pressed, if you think of where I'm at now and talking about how I hate labels, I was probably already a conservative, but I didn't give a shit about politics.
01:14:35.000I had $100,000 in student loan debt, and I was just trying to pay it back.
01:14:41.000But at that moment, it was forced me to consider my political affiliations because I had me saying this I'm saying the New York Magazine tried to smear me.
01:14:51.000The Washington Post tried to smear me at the exact same time.
01:14:53.000Donald Trump is getting on a stage and he's saying they're fake news.
01:15:25.000I said, if you run this article, I will sue you guys for libel.
01:15:28.000And the manager pulled the article and he was like, you're not even relevant, you're not even important, we don't have to run this article.
01:15:53.000Like, I'm telling you, like, this girl's been harassing herself.
01:15:55.000Why are you trying to figure out, like, where I'm getting money from, you know?
01:15:59.000And when I refused to answer, the girl was going to, like, lied and tried to say that I had said certain names, that she was just trying to get, like, other anti-bullying, like, organizations to come out and say I was a liar.
01:16:25.000I was like, I literally had the recording.
01:16:26.000And they were like, you need to lawyer up.
01:16:28.000Like, the Washington Post is trying to smear you.
01:16:30.000But what was it that they said that you hadn't said?
01:16:35.000They were basically going to try to get a really reputable anti-bullying company to issue a strong statement against me calling me a liar.
01:16:43.000But this company, because I had been in touch with them, because I had been on the phone with them, had a sense that they didn't feel good about the reporter either.
01:16:52.000I had actually recorded the conversation with the Washington Post.
01:16:55.000And what was in the conversation that they didn't want to approach?
01:16:58.000They were going to print that, like, I said that this company, you know, was supporting me and they reached out to that company and that company denied it.
01:21:30.000I just wish that there was just a little more humanity.
01:21:32.000I really, fundamentally, strongly dislike something about the outrage culture and the willingness to forgo the fact that she's a human being.
01:21:45.000There's something about people that they believe that human beings are perfectible.
01:22:10.000Ultimately, the direction that we're all moving in as human beings, if you looked at human beings from 3,000 years ago to human beings of today, we're moving in a general direction of a much more positive culture.
01:22:49.000No, human beings, especially when they're in, and I've learned this all the time, when they're in a spot where they're fundamentally unhappy, it's very easy for them to lash out.
01:23:01.000Who doesn't, you know, have, I don't know, the career, the girl, whatever it is, that person is much more likely to say something that's vitriolic.
01:23:10.000And that's just, that's the human condition.
01:23:12.000Like, you're not happy, so you lash out at someone else.
01:23:50.000Well, let's just go with America, because let's just wrap it up, because I don't know what the fuck's going on in China or, you know, wherever.
01:23:58.000There's some places where racism is just deep-seated, and they accept it culturally.
01:24:05.000Because they change it up, because then they'll say Americans are racist towards Muslims, right?
01:24:08.000When you say that you're going to do the Muslim ban from certain countries, and that's also considered, like, racism, and not just, like, you know...
01:24:38.000So you think if those were white dudes hanging out in Starbucks, not buying anything, just sitting down, mind their own business, that they would've got fucked with with the same exact energy?
01:24:48.000Okay, so let's play a different picture.
01:25:05.000I'm like, this is a very black city, right?
01:25:06.000It's a bizarre city to be racist, outright racist in.
01:25:09.000Like you're dealing with black people all day.
01:25:11.000So you remove that and then you think to me, and I've seen this happen tons of times, is it possible, right, that this guy was just on like a power, like power trips happen.
01:25:21.000I've seen it happen at the most bizarre places.
01:25:23.000And I'm like, all right, like the airport the other day, like this woman gave me absolute hell.
01:25:28.000At TSA. I mean, it was like, I can't even recap.
01:25:32.000I could have walked away and said she was racist and she randomly selected my bag 22 times to go through and made me go through and miss my flight, right?
01:25:38.000Or she was having a bad day and she was power tripping, you know?
01:25:41.000And then people have these little positions.
01:25:42.000It's like that movie where they go, doorman, you know?
01:25:45.000And they have these little positions like the manager of Starbucks and you're having an off day.
01:25:49.000And these two kids, I could have easily said, I'll buy a cookie, right?
01:25:52.000Like, common decency, by the way, even for me, if I go use a bathroom at Starbucks, I'll just freaking buy a cookie or a little, like, juice box or water.
01:25:59.000Just something that makes me feel, all right, it's a little more civilized if I just buy something, even though I'm just here to use the bathroom.
01:26:26.000It's like, is it possible that this guy was power tripping, these kids were being like, you know, they could have just bought something and it could have been resolved.
01:26:33.000But you have two people that are being stubborn and taking it to as far as possible, you know, talk about like hall monitor, like, you know, these are the rules, and it just got too far.
01:27:10.000Right, so I'm just like, if you were sitting there, I don't know, I've never called the cops in Philly, but I do know that Philly is just a very black city.
01:30:03.000So the whole thing was like extra hilarious.
01:30:06.000Black culture, this is the thing that's so funny because so much of what I do is inspired by this.
01:30:09.000It's just like people, like this, I guess presentation of black people in the media, it actually gets me mad because To me, and I could be biased, I think black people are the most funny, we're so funny, so endearing.
01:30:21.000When I'm around my cousins, there's not a better time that I can have when I'm around my family.
01:31:11.000And everyone gets up and starts cheering and then he starts making fun of black people about things that we need to fix, right?
01:31:16.000He's being funny, but he's also saying stuff that's real, talking about that baby mama culture and the difference between the white community and he starts talking about school shootings.
01:31:24.000Maybe it was Columbine that had just happened and he starts talking about that.
01:32:27.000You know, I think the frontal cortex isn't developed until you're 25 years old, so who knows when you can make real good rational decisions for yourself.
01:32:36.000And the idea is that if you take a 17-year-old kid fresh out of high school and send him overseas and put a gun in his hand, like he doesn't really know exactly what he's doing in the first place.
01:33:19.000Teaching religion, you've got a scarlet letter if you come in as a holy Christian kid in a normal public...
01:33:25.000Public education thing you've got the family structure where it's like these kids are running the houses these days like I look on like Facebook and it's like supposed to be funny when like a four-year-old is acting like Cardi B. I'm like, okay Yes, it's funny cuz she's four but it's also like not funny cuz she's four right like how do you feel about little Tay?
01:37:09.000It's, you know, for some people, here's the thing.
01:37:12.000For some people, it's structure and it's helpful.
01:37:15.000Ideologies are helpful sometimes because they give you like a format to live your life by or scaffolding to keep your moral beliefs inside of these boundaries and it helps you get ahead and you have purpose and decision making.
01:37:30.000But at the end of the day, it's a cult.
01:37:47.000They would be taught by people that, you know, were not practicing Christians, right?
01:37:51.000Used to be taught in school objectively because there's still lessons that are timeless in these Bible stories.
01:37:55.000It's nothing to do with whether or not you don't need to then say, oh, and then we go to church and then we pray in school and all that stuff.
01:38:00.000You can almost extract that and try to teach these lessons objectively.
01:38:04.000But what kids are learning now is like how to be an anarchist.
01:38:07.000Like, you know, Feminism 101, and you're actually fostering an angry culture by telling them at every turn if they should be outraged.
01:38:15.000We are in outrage culture, and then you're surprised when somebody does something outrageous.
01:38:37.000And no one wants to have a conversation.
01:38:38.000A shooting happens and everyone wants to talk about the NRA. And then David Hogg is back on the news.
01:38:43.000Jordan Peterson has some interesting ideas about religion and the fundamental beliefs and the lessons that are learned from things like the Bible and how they apply to human life and our own belief systems without them,
01:39:00.000without these sort of structures and belief systems, is one of the things that leads civilization astray and that it's done that before and things go awry.
01:39:08.000Well, I actually had this debate with Charlie and I did a panel down in DC and we were talking about whether like, you know, the reintroduction of God and teaching him to school.
01:39:17.000And I said, like, at some point, there seems to be the struggle.
01:39:20.000I have this idea that like, human beings in a certain way, we're doomed to just keep repeating history.
01:39:26.000I'm obsessed with Egyptian history, hieroglyphics, anything where they tell stories, especially Greek mythology, because the lessons are there and we just keep doing it, right?
01:39:36.000Greed, lust, the things that human beings fall for, right?
01:39:40.000So I had this idea when we were talking, because Charlie is an evangelical Christian.
01:40:37.000But, you know, Andrew Breitbart said that politics is downstream from culture, right?
01:40:42.000And you can argue that they feed into each other, whatever it is, but there's definitely something between culture and politics that is linked, inextricably linked.
01:40:52.000So, when, you know, When everyone's on the same page, so if the government wants to get bigger, which it has been doing, and wants people to look to them for answers, which it has been doing, you have to understand they have to sort of destroy everything else that they would potentially be looking to for answers.
01:41:10.000So instead of when you're down and out and people would just go to church and pray, right, or believing in your family or the family structure, they need to know that no matter what, you think the government is the answer.
01:41:21.000That is what a leftist, at the end of the day, the left believes the government can fix all of their problems.
01:41:27.000And I find, especially when I speak to all these leftists, they...
01:41:34.000I'm not saying that there's something wrong with it, but leftists tend to be really apart from religion.
01:41:41.000So the argument could definitely be made that the destruction of believing in the Bible, of teaching the Bible, is because you want to make it so that every time you have a problem, because our soul, we still need to believe in something.
01:41:53.000We're naturally beings that we need to believe that something can fix something.
01:42:25.000We want someone to tell us what to do.
01:42:27.000And if that daddy is the government, or if that daddy is aliens, whatever the fuck it is, people need something.
01:42:33.000And I agree with you, because that's why I argued with Charlie, because then he said, you know, government, the government, and now we have to go back to religion.
01:42:37.000And then I said, okay, but Charlie, but then we could actually recreate all the terrible stuff that happened with religion when religion became daddy.
01:42:42.000So we might just be going government, religion, government, religion.
01:42:52.000So I think that we could say that, yeah, we need to start re-inducing these things, but then we could just end up with the extreme again where there's massive corruption in the church.
01:42:59.000Not everyone's placing off emphasis in the church.
01:43:01.000So then I just said, wow, we're just doomed.
01:43:56.000But the idea is that we're moving to a greater good.
01:43:58.000We're moving towards a greater good that someday our children will enjoy.
01:44:01.000And that we are in a better situation than our grandparents were.
01:44:04.000Our grandchildren will be in a better situation than us.
01:44:07.000And we're constantly moving towards improvement.
01:44:09.000And this is the reason why we're so dissatisfied with racism and sexism and homophobia and hate and all the bullshit that we see in the world that can be prevented.
01:44:17.000We think that if we can shun that and shame that and push it out of our culture that someday in the future we'll have gotten past this and evolved to the point where we as a culture and we as a civilization will be something that we are proud of.
01:44:33.000And we're not proud of what we are now with school shootings.
01:45:10.000And then they say, oh, well, you know, if something's wrong with him, he's in school and he's not, you know, performing as well, he's not paying attention.
01:45:20.000And I remember thinking when I was in school, I am never going to tell my kids that they have to pay attention to some fucking boring shit.
01:45:29.000Or assume that something's wrong with them.
01:45:31.000Maybe you want them to pay attention, but assume that there's something wrong with them if they don't is what's crazy to me.
01:45:35.000They assume there's something wrong with their child and that they need medicine because they're not paying attention to math problems on the board for an hour.
01:45:52.000There's this famous Kanye quote where he says, when you see a five-year-old, they have so much energy, but they have so much confidence and so much passion in everything that they do.
01:46:05.000And then go find, like, an 11-year-old after they've been socialized in school.
01:46:09.000They're like, that spark just dies in them.
01:46:12.000And it's because they're literally being put through a system that tells them that they can't.
01:46:15.000Well, this girl got a 90 on her test and you got an 80, so something must be, you know, you're not getting this, right?
01:46:20.000Well, maybe math is just not her thing.
01:46:22.000Maybe she's not as good at math as somebody else.
01:46:25.000I think everybody has their own pieces of brilliant and that the current education system does not foster to individualism.
01:46:32.000They're actually trying to create a collectivist society by being able to measure a kid's brilliance by standardized testing, something Charlie and I very much disagree on.
01:46:41.000Yeah, I don't think they're necessarily doing that, but what they are is uninspired and underpaid and they're boring.
01:46:46.000And kids go to their classes and they're bored out of their fucking mind.
01:46:49.000They have to get this stupid grade so they can keep going.
01:47:47.000It fosters a little bit of jealousy, but I'm like, I'm like, dude, this is, but this is like, I believe in this so much that I wish we could stop that because like, I'm like, no, let's change the paradigm.
01:47:57.000Like, let's get Trump to do the, like the Joe Rogan show as opposed to, you know what I mean?
01:48:01.000Like there's, but people don't see things that way.
01:48:54.000Everyone, every show he's been on in Fox says like, very rarely do you meet, like Rush Limbaugh just said, very rarely do you meet someone and think that's going to be a president of the United States.
01:49:01.000Charlie Kirk will be a president of the United States.
01:49:02.000Yeah, but Rush is probably on like 18 different kinds of pills when he said that shit.
01:51:13.000Let's not pretend we don't have the people that, like, They they can't like as soon as I got to a hundred thousand YouTube followers every youtuber suddenly was like who is this deep dive and then they came with the like she was she yeah she she she she created social stuff she because she wanted to dox my like the most bizarre I have youtubers are looking up like has she ever dated a black guy like at the most absurd I'm like what are you guys doing like can we just all like just peacefully coexist I call it game of conservatives have you ever dated a black guy yes of Of course I've dated black guys.
01:55:53.000Well, I think the climate always changes, I guess is what I should say.
01:55:55.000Do I believe that this is like, you know, an issue that is being, that is global warming, which they've changed conveniently, they got rid of the word, one scientist started disproving it, now they only say climate change?
01:56:06.000No, I think that that was just a way to extract dollars from Americans.
01:56:18.000And you would have to talk to a bunch of different scientists and see how they gather data and see what they understand about CO2 levels and what's the danger of them and what can combat it and what could not.
01:56:36.000I've read a ton about it, but I would not be able to come to you and say, this is my strong opinion, but here's the easiest way to say this.
01:56:44.000The fact that there is a disparity in the science community about whether or not it's real is enough to...
01:58:06.000It was one of the subjects that I had earlier today with Dr. Robert Schock.
01:58:11.000In 2014, the vast majority, 87% of scientists, said that human activity is driving global warming, yet only half the American public ascribe to that view.
01:58:44.000I know you do, but I genuinely don't believe it.
01:58:46.000I believe most of the time the consensus of scientists that are studying the data.
01:58:51.000And so what they're doing is studying...
01:58:53.000But do you remember all of the stories that came out about the scientists that said that when they tried to present their evidence to show they were basically just getting shut down at every corner?
02:00:11.000And this is what Howard Bloom was on talking about a few days ago.
02:00:15.000He was talking about that the real future involves the technology of climate control and that what we have to be really careful of is letting it get too far where you can't ever stop it and pull it back.
02:00:27.000This is what scientists are warning about.
02:00:28.000This is why they want emission standards.
02:00:31.000This is why they want to figure out how to get people to be aware of the fact that this is a real issue.
02:01:03.000This is not like propaganda that's drummed up by some sort of big business that seeks to make money off of this or some sort of organization.
02:01:11.000Well, they were making money off of it.
02:01:13.000Al Gore might have made some money off of it, but who's making money off of it?
02:01:15.000No, but the agreement that we were in, that was like the amount of money that America was losing, but here's what I was going to ask you.
02:01:21.000Wait a minute, the amount of money America was losing?
02:01:55.000No, I personally think that this was just the next—the fact that it was presented to us by Al Gore, and it's just— It's not presented to us just by Al Gore.
02:02:04.000Al Gore made a film, and he's been called the first green billionaire.
02:02:08.000He's made a shitload of money off of that.
02:02:09.000And he flies in his private plane because he's so worried about the emissions.
02:03:03.000Like, so when I say that I'm, like, I believe in recycling.
02:03:06.000Like, I'm not, like, a person that's, like, this is...
02:03:08.000But the idea that the government is just going to take trillions of dollars because we're in some agreement where we're all agreeing that we should do something is useless.
02:03:15.000And look, from the stuff, like, there's obviously a lot of debate here.
02:04:07.000306 scientists to confirm over 97% of climate scientists agree and over 97% of the scientific articles find that global warming is real and largely caused by humans.
02:04:19.000So my question to you is if you want to step outside of the scientific consensus, which is vast and involves 10,306 scientists, and just say, I don't believe in it, even if you're right, Even if you're right, you don't have enough information to say that.
02:04:58.000Learn about it and then have an opinion.
02:05:00.000But you're stating this opinion without having any real understanding of what climate science is.
02:05:04.000But that's exactly what an opinion is.
02:05:06.000Like I said, if you said that, Candice, you went on to 10,000 college campuses and you said that global warming wasn't real, then we'd have a problem.
02:05:12.000You and I are just having a conversation.
02:05:14.000Yeah, but why have an opinion on something that you don't have data about?
02:05:24.000But what I do know is that what I've read is that the vast majority of people who study it are in agreement that human beings are affected by it.
02:05:33.000Just my recall on a lot of things that I read, and this was a while ago, so this is when I first formed my opinion on not believing this, I read a shit ton of articles.
02:05:41.000Can't recall the data because, like I said, this wasn't something I was super passionate about.
02:05:44.000It was like somebody posted something, and then I went on a tear reading about it.
02:05:48.000But it was essentially just noting that in a lot of these studies, like when you go and you, if we had time to sit down and really pull this up, they're pulling, you know, 10,000 scientists that are within a community that is, like, these.orgs, do you believe in everything that MediaMatters.org puts out for statistics?
02:06:44.000But I'm telling you that, like, again, I didn't do a deep dive on all of this because I read about it because it was at a forefront of discussion.
02:06:52.000And my conclusion was that they started pulling up all of these studies and the person that, you know, did this that I did a deep dive on.
02:06:57.000And they started showing how, like, these community of scientists were, in fact, somewhere behind that dot org as someone that was being funded.
02:07:03.000So to me, the issue got too politicized for me to believe that global warming was something that was going to wipe out the world.
02:07:12.000But that doesn't mean that the funding affects the scientific research and the data, which they all agree on.
02:07:19.000And this is universally across the entire planet.
02:07:23.000Thousands and thousands of scientists would not stake their reputation on false data.
02:07:28.000What they're saying is not that the only reason why the world is getting warm is because human beings.
02:07:35.000That the only reason why the climate isn't totally static for the rest of eternity is because of human beings.
02:07:40.000What they're saying is we are negatively impacting our own environment and we're doing it because we have poor technology and we use coal and fossil fuels and emissions and we're raising our CO2 levels and this is based on data.
02:07:57.000And this is something that you can look at.
02:08:00.000You could look at the data and follow where they're getting this information from and follow how they're making these conclusions and follow the vast majority of these brilliant people who study this shit their whole life.
02:08:12.000And look, if I was a person that was putting forth policy on climate change or if I was a person that put out my opinion publicly on climate change, I would do all of that.
02:08:23.000I understand what you're saying, but what I'm saying is that you're a very smart person, and people listen to you, and they're going to listen to you for a long time, I believe.
02:08:45.000And then you asked me, and I said this wouldn't be the hill I chose to die on because I don't follow it.
02:08:49.000But why even say you don't believe in it?
02:08:52.000How about not have a belief until you really have looked at the data?
02:08:56.000Okay, so you would prefer if my language, as opposed to admitting that I do not know this, I wouldn't die, I've never made a public statement, you would have preferred if I had just started by saying, I have no opinion.
02:10:42.000I personally am inclined to believe that a lot of those studies are manipulated.
02:10:46.000As I said, during the one night that I did deep dive on it, when they showed all the pieces of evidence or whatever, it just seemed a little shady, and I felt that it was politicized.
02:10:54.000But I think that I have a right to say that I don't believe in something that I also don't know.
02:11:23.000I feel like this is like the editing of people do when they're like, oh, Obama, if they ask you a question and you don't know, this is the way...
02:12:44.000I think that there's more concerns in society.
02:12:46.000I personally think that some scientists started talking about global warming and it got politicized and they figured it was another way to extract human beings' money because of fear.
02:12:53.000I think there's probably some truth to that.
02:12:56.000And then they said, we're going to find our core scientists that agree with everything we say.
02:12:59.000It's been proven that Harvard studies have been incorrect because they were being funded by certain political interest groups.
02:13:05.000So I'm not inclined to pull up something on...
02:13:10.000I'm blanking, it'll come back to me in a second, but there were Harvard papers that have been funded by certain researchers that are trying to get a certain political position out, and it causes mass fear, and people are willing to spend their money a certain way.
02:13:23.000So I'm not inclined when someone pulls up an article and says, look, 10,000 scientists, I err on the side of, okay, I don't know who those scientists are, I don't know what this organization is funded by, so I'm going to stick by my guns and say I don't really believe in it yet.
02:13:33.000Now, if I decide that I'm going to run for office and I've got to make a decision on the atmosphere and what we're going to do about global warming and CO2 emissions, you better believe I will be fully ready to discuss it.
02:13:42.000I'm not going to make a YouTube video and just know the outskirts of it.
02:13:56.000I was a liberal two years ago, or three years ago, so that's not a problem.
02:14:00.000I'm open to learning, but I'm not going to...
02:14:04.000Like say something that feels inauthentic and what I wanted to say there was I don't believe in it It's just one of those things that it's become it's a real right-wing talking point It's like there's very few people like like pro-life is a very right-wing talking points very few I would imagine I'm not just guessing but very few liberals who are also pro-life Well,
02:14:44.000That's a different kind of subject though, right?
02:15:07.000The idea that the left is so pro-choice at the same time that they are running around purporting Black Lives Matter, it doesn't make any sense.
02:15:14.000When you look at the numbers of black babies never even get the chance to live, and when you look at the numbers and just understand that 17 million black babies have been exterminated since 1973. What kind of black lives do you care about?
02:15:25.000I don't believe that a baby's life starts after three months.
02:15:30.000And we could probably pull up some articles that say, for sure, the baby's life does not begin until three months.
02:15:35.000But we want to know the best indication that the baby's life begins before it because you have to rip it out of the stomach in order to kill it.
02:15:40.000If left alone, it would grow into a baby, right?
02:15:42.000So, I've thought about that issue, and now I have a stance on it.
02:15:45.000Like, and that would be my stance, you know, if I was President of the United States.
02:15:48.000I don't want to be the President of the United States.
02:18:29.000No reason to believe that because some scientists that could very well be funded, things are constantly being funded to create a public perception.
02:19:47.000I have cousins that are gay, even though, despite the fact on the internet, I found I'm anti-LGBT, which is insane.
02:19:53.000But I just think that since the government has stepped up and decided it's going to be in it, if it's the governing body, everyone should have a right to the same tax cuts when you get married.
02:20:01.000Why is the government involved in marriage?
02:20:11.000You can check certain boxes when you do your taxes because you're married.
02:20:15.000So since the government is doing that, there's no reason why, if two guys live in the same house, that they should not be allowed to get tax cuts.
02:20:21.000So the difference, it's the separation of the church and the state, right?
02:20:25.000Well, the state has taken on something that traditionally was in the church, and because the state has, you have to look at it objectively, despite your personal feelings.
02:20:32.000Look at it objectively, and every person has a right to...
02:20:35.000To get a tax cut because they married the person that they love.
02:20:39.000Well, I'm 100% with you on the gay marriage thing.
02:20:42.000So what other ones don't you agree with?
02:20:45.000Is there any other right-wing talking points?
02:20:46.000I don't even think about right-wing talking points.
02:20:55.000But so the number one thing, so my whole shtick, the only time I snap back or get upset is because I'm really focused on the black community, dude.
02:21:02.000And the community that has been affected the most by illegal immigration is the black community.
02:21:07.000I mean, you talk about low-wage workers.
02:21:09.000The people that are the most unemployed in this company are young black men between the ages of 18 and 21. Right?
02:21:13.000So they have been negatively impacted by the influx of people running over the border, because they'll come here and they'll say, okay, well, you were going to pay this guy $7, you know, whatever the minimum wage is, we'll do it for less.
02:21:25.000And that directly impacts the black labor force.
02:21:28.000So I, you know, I recognize that we very much have an immigration problem.
02:21:32.000I think that the immigration, you know, they talk about diversity.
02:22:41.000No, but these are the things that, so anything, like, in every situation, and you'll see this if you watch, like, Charlie and I live on campuses when we do this, every situation where I'm asked my opinion, my answer is tailored towards the black community because I just think that we have really gotten the shit out of the stick.
02:23:15.000You're constantly talking about it, and a lot of people look at you as like the hope for the future.
02:23:20.000You get a good-looking 28-year-old woman who's super articulate and smart, and you can rattle off facts and statistics and talk real good on camera.
02:28:55.000It's a very good thing, you know, and I'm sure your ideas, I mean, there's no better way to have your ideas expressed than to have no one that you're beholden to, to have no boss.
02:29:06.000Yeah, I love that, and that's why it was like, you know, I started working with Charlie, and then I started building my own company, and now he's a part of my company, and now we work for each other, and it's just like, we're mission-driven, and I do support the president, but I don't want to go work in the administration.
02:29:18.000That seems like a really, the worst job in America.
02:29:20.000That's what I'm I'm just saying, why are you talking about wanting to be the secretary of press?
02:30:15.000All I want Black people to do is understand you have a right to like certain ideas on both sides, but what you should never allow is for someone to use your identity to define how you have to think.
02:30:24.000You should always be the person defining how you think.
02:30:26.000That's the message that I say on college campuses.