Ted Nugent is one of the most misunderstood people in American history. He's a musician, a writer, a podcaster, a songwriter, an actor, a rock and roll god, a philosopher, an acapella group member, a poet, a painter, an archer, an inventor, an engineer, an author, an all-around genius, a man of contradictions, he's a genius. And he's 70 years old, and he's still got it all, even if it's not what you think it is. Ted Nugent joins Morgan to talk about the importance of letting go of the baggage that keeps us stuck in the past, the baggage we carry, and how to let go of it in order to grow into the best version of yourself you can possibly be. Morgan and Nugent discuss Ted's life and career, how he came to be who he is today, and what it means to be a genius at archery, and why it's important to let the arrow go where it wants to go. If you're interested in learning more about Ted, check out this episode of The Nugent Show on Amazon Prime or wherever else you get your stuff, and don't forget to subscribe and leave us a rating and review the show on Apple Podcasts! It's free and it'll help spread the word about Ted's amazing podcast to the world. Thank you, Ted! - Morgan and Morgan Music: "The Nugent Effect" - "A Little Rock and Roll" by Jeff Perla, "Little Rock" by The Nugget Art: "A Longbowbow and arrow" by Mr. Snider, "A Good Morning America" by Sideshow, "The Good Morning Man" by Kevin McLeod, "Longbow and Arrow" by John Rocha, "Noah" by and "A Prairie Girl" by Billie Eichler "The Boy Who Couldn't Do It" by P.S. "Ain't That a Good Thing by Ted" by Jimmy Seibert, "I Don't Know How To Be a Good Person" by Jim Rigsby, "A Better Than That" (feat. by , "The Man Who Can't Get It?" by . & "The Girl Who Can Do It by and is out there? - "The People Who Know It?"
00:01:25.000Being the best that you can be, clear mind, clear conscience, true north compass.
00:01:32.000In the world of archery, because it does consume you, and here I am 70 years clean and sober because I'm currently and forever consumed with the mystical flight of the arrow, which is the origins of Zen, the Japanese religion of not shooting an arrow,
00:01:50.000not being an arrow, But being the path of your life, and if you use the gifts from God to the ultimate application of efficiency and effectiveness, you can put that fucking arrow right Right where you want it to.
00:02:13.000And the baggage that all humans have to deal with, and it's most painfully manifested in the pursuit of archery, is too many minds.
00:02:39.000I need to put that arrow down there in that bullseye or in that pump station or in that crease of the buffalo.
00:02:43.000And so you want it to go because that's what you're here for is to let the arrow go.
00:02:48.000So you've got to tell yourself you can't let the arrow go.
00:02:53.000You have to shoot so many arrows throughout your life that no too many minds, subconscious physics of spirituality, ingrained deep within your origins and aboriginal ancestry.
00:03:25.000No matter what you do, and I've done this since the 60s when the hippies were trying to get me stoned, and I'm going, no, that's not what you want to do.
00:03:32.000What you want to do is get a bow and arrow.
00:03:34.000What you want to do is escape what you're trying to escape, the pressures.
00:03:51.000Discipline, discipline, discipline, discipline, especially at the archery range.
00:03:54.000And so I learned archery, and when I'm playing guitar and I'm playing all this outrageous Chuck Berry, Bo Diddley, Little Richard stuff, and everybody's getting high and drunk, and they're really great musicians, and the more high and the more drunk they got, they became less great musicians until the point where they weren't even musicians anymore.
00:04:18.000And I'd get back to my little house in Redford on the Rouge River in Detroit, and I'd get that little bow and arrow, and I'd go down to Skunk Hollow, and there's a river rat.
00:04:28.000And even as a stupid, mushy-brained, idiot child, I was able to...
00:04:37.000A little longbow, no recurves yet, you know.
00:04:45.000I could shoot a rat in the eye because I had no baggage yet.
00:04:50.000I haven't developed any social baggage.
00:05:30.000I mean, I was in the presence of Sam Kinison for 50, 60 spontaneous performances, and Robin Williams at the Comedy Store, and Richard Pryor.
00:05:41.000Remember I mentioned a moment ago I've been on the mountaintop with Bill Straub and the Broncos, and Parnelli Jones taught me to race.
00:05:46.000I played bass for Chuck Berry and Bo Diddley.
00:06:21.000I really was just getting, you know, baptized by the Chuck Berry bow diddly electronic guitar orgy.
00:06:27.000And in that late 40s, early 50s, it was a firestorm of defiance and rebellion musically manifested.
00:06:35.000But Roy Weatherby was going beyond the 30-30, which everybody used for deer hunting, and it was a good 100-yard, and if a real marksman, real zen marksman could shoot a 30-30, 200-plus yards, whether open sights or scope.
00:06:49.000And marksmanship and sniper discipline was a powerful force in a hunting family, and in all families, every family I knew, we all shot every weekend, Pistols, shotguns, rifles,.22s, hunting woodchucks in Freiburg, Pennsylvania, with the Targetmaster Remington single-shot bolt.22,
00:07:08.000.22 shorts, 25 cents a box at the dry goods store.
00:07:16.000Breathe, sight acquisition, you have a responsibility to kill that animal outright.
00:07:21.000If you're going to utilize that precious gift of flesh and fur, body fluids and bone, You better kill him clean because you're a reasoning predator.
00:07:32.000You have a moral, intellectual, and spiritual obligation to kill your dinner humanely and cleanly.
00:08:00.000So, Roy Weatherby was extending long-range marksmanship and developing the famous Weatherby Magnums with more powder, more efficient burning powder, better primers, better-designed ballistic bullets that would cut air better and go flatter longer,
00:08:19.000And so it was fun to shoot that deer or a bullseye at 100 yards.
00:08:23.000That takes a lot of trigger control and discipline.
00:08:26.000But now Roy Weatherby was creating Weatherby Magnums.
00:08:29.000The 300 Weatherby Magnums shot a 180-grain bullet at 32, 3400 feet a second, which was unheard of.
00:08:37.000And so you could aim small, miss small.
00:08:39.000And if you really got that really intricate, meticulous, triggered smoothness, you could shoot 1,000 yards once you learned the trajectory of your However, 1911, the last of the Yanni Indians,
00:09:14.000And instead of shooting this Yanni, this last Indian, they called the local sheriff and they took Ishii into custody and they called some scientists and palanteologists from California University by the name of Saxton Pope.
00:09:34.000And Saxton Pope came and studied Ishii as an Aboriginal.
00:09:47.000And they discovered Ishii, and they were fascinated by his stealthy awareness of the wilderness and his archery control with his funny little style of shooting the bow with his thumb and getting close and doing ice-cold river bowing.
00:10:09.000So Fred Bear witnessed the film that Pope and Young eventually made of them becoming consumed with the mystical flight of the arrow.
00:10:19.000Now, this was in the 20s and 30s, and they put a newsreel out and went all over the country and showed this newsreel of hunting with the bow and arrow by Saxon Pope and Art Young.
00:10:27.000Shooting grizzly bears in Yosemite and going to Africa, filling lines full of arrows.
00:10:31.000They weren't really as good as these sheep, so they'd fling a lot of arrows.
00:10:35.000And these animals were pretty relaxed, almost tame, because they'd never been hunted like that before.
00:10:39.000And so Fred Bear come from Pennsylvania around that time to work at the FOMO company building cabinets for the new radio they just invented and the wood dashboards for the Ford Motor Company.
00:11:19.000All you have to do is be a disciplined marksman, which is a discipline and a great accomplishment unto itself.
00:11:25.000And it was a new challenge for long-range ballistic capability.
00:11:29.000Well, Pope and Young and a handful, Fred Baer and Nels Grumley, went and saw this newsreel of these guys, these doctors, these professors, hunting all over the world with these handmade bows.
00:12:03.000And he moved to Grayling up in the northern part of Michigan where the wilderness was and they had cut down all the trees so there was this new growth of ideal wildlife habitat.
00:12:12.000Because not many animals can live in an old-growth forest, an owl or two, but you need low-level animals.
00:12:19.000Escape sanctuary and browse that the animals can access.
00:12:24.000And so Fred was now promoting archery in Michigan, won all the National Field Archery Championships along with Ann Marston.
00:12:32.000And so my dad was a follower because he'd come back from World War II, and he needed that escape.
00:12:39.000He needed that cleansing to get away from that horror, which is why they never talked about it.
00:12:46.000And so we'd go up north every year, October 1st, the Nugent family and the Ford station wagon, and I had my little bow and arrow with the suction cups, and I'd shoot stuffed animals off the couch.
00:12:54.000But my dad would walk the woods with his real bow, and we'd stop at this little brick shack that said, Bear Archery, and I had no idea.
00:13:02.000And so I was already into bows and arrows, shooting all the time.
00:13:10.000Bows and arrows, bows and arrows, critters.
00:13:11.000I think I had the Songbird World Slam by the time I was eight.
00:13:15.000And so now I'm meeting this tall, lanky gentleman named Fred Bear.
00:13:20.000He didn't register with me until I started seeing him on the cover of True Magazine and Sporting Magazines and Life Magazine with a grizzly bear and an elephant and a tiger and a lion in the newsreels.
00:13:33.000And I'm going, I'm shooting river rats, which is so thrilling, I can't even describe it.
00:13:37.000And here's this long, lanky, tall, lanky guy that was building bows in this rustic shop in northern Michigan on my way to my favorite thing in life, October 1st opening day of archery season, as a 6-, 7-, 8-year-old boy.
00:13:50.000And we'd have chocolate milk and cherry pie with this Fred Bear guy.
00:14:23.000And so now I'm in Chicago, shooting my bow and arrow all the time, started at Amboy Dukes, playing like a madman, graduated in 67, went back to Michigan two years later, and immediately went up to Grayling, where now there's this huge cathedral, bear archery, and Fred Bear is like the dude!
00:14:40.000He's like the sporting dude, because he taught the long-range marksman that there's an intimacy.
00:14:47.000There's a better learning process and a more important lesson to not kill the animal, but to understand your relationship with the animal and to try to use those God-given gifts I mentioned a moment ago to penetrate the otherwise impenetrable defense system of game,
00:15:09.000because they are sneaky, elusive, crafty.
00:15:13.000God made them to get away from guitar players with sharp sticks.
00:15:16.000And so, this caught on because people go, you know, I kill my deer every year with my 30-30, now with the 30-06 and Roy Weatherby, long range.
00:15:26.000I wonder if I'm a badass enough to get close to a deer with a bow and arrow.
00:15:33.000And they made the first, Fred got the first legal season in Michigan at the Allegan State Park on November 1st, 1947, where George Nichols, my buddy, got the first legal buck in Michigan with a bow and arrow on that morning.
00:15:46.000And so I knew these are the guys I hang with.
00:16:11.000I'd shoot flaming arrows at skulls and a big illegal, I think it was a felony, a big turkey vulture.
00:16:17.000I had stuff, but it looked great backlit, you know, and I'd shoot that fucker off the amps at night and people didn't know whether to shit or go blind.
00:16:23.000There's this wild man screaming the bird lance, making all this outrageous racket.
00:16:29.000I come out with a bow and arrow and a flaming arrow and blow up a turkey vulture.
00:16:35.000And so Fred looked past the insanity of the fear factor of rock and roll, and he finally admitted to me, he said, every sporting goods show I go to, Ted, All the young people, anybody under 30, all they want to know is if I know Ted Nugent.
00:16:52.000Because that was the first time they ever saw a bow and arrow.
00:16:54.000And they do my interviews about the spirit, the cleansing of escaping the insanity of whatever your job description might be.
00:17:54.000But coming out of a tour and playing 350 nights a year, and then you get a couple days off during November, and you get the bow and arrow, it's hard to go from that to...
00:19:55.000Anyhow, so on the wall of my cabin in northern Michigan, Is my first kill November 15th, 1969 with my dad's pre-'64 Model 7. It's a button buck.
00:20:35.000In fact, the button bucks, their asses get kicked by their mother to throw them out of the herd to get the hell out of the way for more breeding, which is what I do.
00:20:42.000And so I have that button buck mounted.
00:20:46.000Well, who's going to tell me that's not a trophy?
00:20:49.000The experiences, the memories, the clothes, the bullets, the day, the sunrise, the crows, the sandhill cranes, the birds.
00:21:53.000There's a love affair with our instinctual stewardship duties to the wildlife to harvest the surplus to make room for next spring's productivity because there's going to be more animals, but there's not going to be more habitat.
00:22:08.000Hence, sustain-yield, successful wildlife management model that is so perfect, it defies criticism, unless you're a lying sack of shit.
00:22:19.000Have you ever had to have a reasonable conversation with someone who's anti-hunting?
00:23:30.000In order to grow tofu, you have to kill every ground squirrel, every vole, every shrew, every snake, every turtle, every frog, every bird, every rabbit.
00:23:41.000Anything that gets in that bean field, I'm either going to plow and dismember, which is why the crows and the seagulls follow the combines every year, And then if anything does survive my first slaughter, I'm going to come in with Mansanto and poison the shit out of everything so you can have a tofu salad and not be responsible for any death.
00:24:19.000Perfect to kill cows and pigs to feed mankind.
00:24:24.000The system is often less than perfect, but until someone comes up with a better system, I salute and genuflect at the altar of farmers and ranchers and people who kill animals to sustain my fellow man.
00:25:52.000Well, I just think there's a lot of films and a lot of documentaries that portray veganism as being this perfect way of living that doesn't have any death or any habitat loss associated with it.
00:26:05.000And then they look at the extreme of meat eating, which is the worst aspects of it.
00:26:09.000Factory farming, some of these disgusting pig farms and chicken farms.
00:26:22.000By people who are coming to realize that we do not only have a responsibility to kill critters to feed mankind...
00:26:31.000But it can be done in an environmentally beneficial way.
00:26:36.000I mean, if you watch my great late friend Anthony Bourdain on his shows and Andrew Zimmern on the Travel Channel, you watch their shows and the emphasis on environmentally friendly productivity, more and more organic farming.
00:26:51.000More and more conscientious waste dispersal, whether it's, you know, pig guts and they re-utilize those, or in Las Vegas they get all this wasted food and they feed the pigs so it's good food going in, the pork tastes better.
00:27:30.000Hunters, fishermen, and trappers have sounded the alarm more often than not about environmental irresponsibility.
00:27:37.000And now Lake Erie that would spontaneously combust when I was growing up is now the number one walleye and smallmouth bass fishery in the world!
00:27:47.000And we're still producing, we've still got the Industrial Revolution going on there, but conscientious, higher, responsible level of awareness is spreading like wildfire across the country.
00:28:00.000And I believe that there's no mutual exclusivity whatsoever to productivity and environmental responsibility.
00:28:07.000I believe that they both benefit each other.
00:28:09.000And I've got so many unlimited examples where that worked, from farms.
00:28:35.000And I think that the thought process behind all these people that are upset about factory farming, people even that go vegan, the thought process behind it is in the right place.
00:28:45.000I just think there's a lot of misguided energy there because they don't really understand where the food is coming from.
00:30:41.000Ignorance is acceptable because you can remedy it with knowledge and research.
00:30:45.000Stupidity is when you guard your ignorance.
00:30:48.000If you think that we're murdering innocent animals...
00:30:52.000To feed our families with the purest protein available to mankind, balancing the herds with more deer, more elk, more bison, more turkeys, more waterfowl, more cougars, more bears than ever in recorded history except for the bison, but we're way back.
00:31:08.000We have as many bison as we can sustain in North America.
00:31:10.000A lot of the Native American tribes are desperate to get more harvested in an efficient and responsible manner.
00:31:16.000So wildlife is thriving because hunters implemented regulations for sustained yield.
00:31:32.000But see, this information is universally available, but the fake news, academia, Hollywood, and half of our government is stone-cold obsessed with political correctness and denial.
00:31:57.000Fun sport meet trophy, sacred beast, prayer for the wild things, resource stewardship, conservation wise use, walk the wild ground before you comment on the wild ground.
00:32:32.000The history of modern bowhunting at the hands of Fred Bear and Saxton Pope and Art Young and the families that wanted to get closer to game, not necessarily kill because 90% of the time you don't kill squat with a bow and arrow, but when you do,
00:32:48.000it's because you dedicate yourself to a higher reasoning level predator awareness And you put your gifts from God to the maximum efficiency.
00:32:59.000And again, that's welding and carpentry.
00:33:02.000But ultimately, you're going to kill something.
00:34:21.000When Anthony Bourdain came to my place, he was still a little squeamish with killing stuff, even though he ate dead stuff on every show and got his paycheck from eating dead stuff.
00:34:55.000You should have been closer to the system.
00:34:58.000And the hunters, fishermen, and trappers of this country still carry on the definitive physics of spirituality that the Native and Aboriginal peoples called the Great Spirit, hence the Spirit of the Wild, the prayer for the wild things.
00:35:16.000But we're in a weird place, Ted, with cities, right?
00:35:21.000You were, yeah, but I mean, you got lucky in that your father was interested in bow hunting and that it gave him an escape, which, by the way, it gives a lot of veterans today.
00:35:29.000A lot of veterans and good friends of mine are finding great relief in bow hunting as a discipline after combat life.
00:35:44.000Fred Bear coined the phrase, and I use it all the time, it cleanses the soul.
00:35:52.000When you leave the pavement, when I leave the pavement, and I make that transition from modern concrete jungle hand-to-hand combat City guy, because that's where my rock and roll career is the ultimate.
00:36:08.000And you take that deep breath, you literally go back to the year one.
00:36:12.000I know there's a highway nearby, and I know I can hear trucks off in the distance and the train whistle, which is kind of titillated unto itself.
00:36:20.000But when I get in my swamp in Michigan or my woods in Texas, to quote Jimi Hendrix, ain't no life nowhere.
00:36:45.000They've considered the buffalo their brother.
00:36:47.000And it is so consuming that I don't care what kind of stress.
00:36:51.000You could be going through the ugliest divorce in the world, and I have.
00:36:54.000You could be fighting against people who don't think that America should be first, and you don't need secure borders, and you don't need to earn your own way.
00:37:03.000You're able-bodied, but you want somebody else's income.
00:37:26.000I've learned over the years because I need that so much to play my music like I play it that it cleanses my soul.
00:37:34.000And I've been contacted since the 60s with vets who have gone through just absolute Torture in their military careers.
00:37:44.000And when I get them at a campfire, and we go out and sit before the sun comes up, I can't tell you how many times they've cried, because it's good again.
00:38:33.000And my brothers, my sister, we all are happy, healthy, successful, hard-working, funny, cocky, loving, giving people because of that discipline that revolved around My family hunting seasons.
00:38:50.000That was one of the really important aspects of it, because I recognize the importance of discipline and always have, pretty much my whole life.
00:39:58.000And this is, his life is, and he'll tell everybody, all that stuff that he does, all the working out, that's so he can be at his best in the mountains as a bowhunter.
00:40:17.000Yeah, but it's a celebration that I have been humbled and blessed beyond description for To share campfires with more hunters than anybody you've ever met.
00:40:27.000Because I've been donating hunts for years.
00:41:53.000I was about to say, I share campfires.
00:41:57.000With lots of newcomers because they see this rock and roll guy that they love the music and we share the appreciation for my American rhythm and blues rock and roll jihad.
00:42:06.000And so they want to try hunting and they come to buy a hunt with me.
00:42:10.000Or they make a donation for a military or children's charity and they've never hunted and I tell them what to buy and they show up and it's Natty Bumpo, man.
00:44:39.000And Fred was such a gentleman, and he was so clever, and he so efficiently promoted the challenge and the intimacy of man and wild connection that he will live in infamy.
00:44:54.000Everybody in the hunting world knows that he was a force to reckon with, and he's always there.
00:45:00.000And as the song says, in the wind, he's still alive.
00:45:42.000Right, but they don't think of it that way.
00:45:44.000Well, they don't think of it as suffering.
00:45:45.000That's why I continue to do this, because I caused them to think.
00:45:49.000I can tell you thousands of examples since the 60s where people thought I was a coward for murdering innocent animals that can't shoot back.
00:46:00.000I mean, what does that sentence even mean?
00:46:02.000What do you mean they can't shoot back?
00:46:04.000They don't have trigger fingers, you jerk!
00:46:07.000So I have taken this on, and you notice that I smiled throughout that whole thing.
00:47:07.000I think people understand that there's more to it than they thought and if they're willing to just look a little bit further.
00:47:13.000Look a little bit further they realize like well especially western hunting these guys are running hills and they're backpacking with heavy weights on their back discipline for hours and hours every day just to build up their endurance so they can hike out with meat.
00:47:27.000These Western hunters, man, that are going out and bowhunting elk and then packing them out by themselves over the course of five days.
00:48:11.000When you see one in real life, it's hard to believe that that's a real animal.
00:48:14.000And that goes back to what you said earlier, that when you dine on that, and you put that effort forth, and you spent all those days skunked and wet and cold and nasty, enjoying it for what it was, But there's also a pain in the ass.
00:48:28.000You can't wait to get back to someplace with a wood burner.
00:48:31.000But when you've packed it out yourself, when you take that sacred flesh off that grill, before you even finish the first knife slice, all those memories, and it just tastes better.
00:48:47.000But with that effort, it is a spiritual moment that this, like the natives say, you don't kill the animal, you accept the gift if you put your heart and soul into your reasoning predatorship.
00:49:10.000Pheasants and quail and doves and woodcock and grouse and rabbits and squirrels and ducks and geese and gullenules and snipe and beavers and deer and elk and antelope and bear and cougar.
00:52:02.000I've heard comments with his attacking me for the whack-em and stack-em because it would be much better if I just butchered them and slaughtered them because semantics is so important.
00:52:55.000Let's get a bow and arrow and go kill something!
00:52:57.000They absolutely come to it because of the fun.
00:53:00.000Then they hear about the discipline, and they hear about the quality diet, and they hear about the spiritual trophy, whether antlers or not, that has guided my passionate life and manifests itself in these killer songs and killer guitar licks and outrageous fire-breathing concerts.
00:53:20.000And so they get a bow and arrow, they get a shock, and they start hunting.
00:53:23.000Go to my Facebook, I don't know if it's millions, but thousands and thousands of young people that would be inclined to be anti-hunting are now gung-ho hunters because Uncle Ted is having so much fun because I whacked them and stacked them.
00:53:41.000Yeah, the thing is that they don't get...
00:53:44.000When they hear your enthusiasm, then they go, okay, well, I haven't had this perspective before.
00:53:49.000The perspective on hunting that I've gotten before is that these are cruel assholes that go out there and shoot animals and they don't care.
00:53:55.000Or worse, or worse, Joe, my critics, and I won't mention any names, but you know...
00:54:00.000When they're on their hunting TV shows and they're so ultra-cautious not to ruffle any feathers, they kind of come off like Mr. Rogers with a Lawrence Welk soundtrack, and young people think you're a fucking asshole if that's all you've got.
00:54:16.000And if hunting is that boring, I think I'll just smoke some dope and go, you know, cruising tonight.
00:54:22.000Which I know you like to smoke your dope and go nuts.
01:00:12.000And every band from my Royal Highboys in the 50s to the Lourdes in the 60s and the Amboy Dukes and even the damn Yankees with Tommy and Jack and Michael, are you kidding me?
01:00:22.000I've had literally the A-list of musicians at my side from Tommy Aldridge and Tommy Clefettos and Mick Brown on drums and Cliff Davies, are you kidding me?
01:00:31.000Denny Carmasi, I mean the best drummers, the best bass players.
01:00:35.000I've just been the luckiest guitar player in the But it's a weird connection, right?
01:00:39.000Like, most people don't think of rock and roll and bowhunting.
01:00:46.000But there I was, geographically, in Michigan, a firestorm of musical influence.
01:00:52.000All the best musicians in the world, they'll tell you, come out of Detroit from Motown, Bob Seger, now Kid Rock, Eminem, and just killer, killer bands.
01:01:01.000MC5, I got a great Wayne Kramer story.
01:01:03.000He has a wonderful book coming out called The Hard Stuff.
01:01:40.000And then you see him on TV in the Ed Sullivan Show, and I don't care who you are, Stephen Tyler or Billy Joel or whoever, Elvis Presley and now the Stones and the Beatles.
01:01:51.000And it's Ed Sullivan, and I had a guitar.
01:01:53.000Plus, I'm in Michigan, and every kid was born, you got a Red Ryder Daisy BB gun, you had a Wham-O slingshot, and you had a little bow and arrow of sun kind.
01:02:01.000I live right next to the Rouge River, so I was always down there, you know, chasing critters and building forts and crossing the river.
01:02:08.000And the music and the bow hunting, music and the bow hunting, I met Fred Bear, I got these great musicians, the music and the bow hunting, music and the bow...
01:02:39.000I took out all the books and started adding them up.
01:02:41.000But from my musical review with the Royal School of Music in 1958, and then with Joe Podorsik from the Capitol School of Music at the Detroit Fairgrounds, And then we started playing sock hops and pool parties and malt shops and everywhere,
01:03:36.000Because I always figure out, I try to figure out how I have the time to do what I do, but I think you do more than I do.
01:03:41.000I think we can both agree the greatest philosopher of all times was Dirty Harry, when he said a good man knows his limitations.
01:03:50.000Back with the Amboy Dukes, we'd do over 300 concerts a year, and I was still craving my hunting, so I'd carve out a weekend in October and a weekend in November with my dad, and we'd get out there and hunt, but that wasn't enough.
01:04:59.000And get that bow so it settles back here for hand-eye coordination, and you don't have to struggle.
01:05:05.000People should start with a 25, 30-pound bow to get that archery thing going, preferably an old recurve or longbow if you can, and find out where you're pointing.
01:11:23.000I mean, the same thing with prohibition.
01:11:24.000The same thing that would happen in America.
01:11:26.000We really boosted organized crime and Al Capone, and they got a stronghold because of the money they were making from illegal drugs, which is alcohol at the time.
01:11:36.000I think that right now that the spoiled brat epidemic in this country, if you don't get everything you want and you start shooting people or you cut people off and road rage, if everything doesn't go just right, everybody is so touchy and so pussified that when I was growing up,
01:11:53.000sticks and stones may break your bones, but words will never hurt me.
01:11:58.000The liberalization of policy and the horrible lie of the welfare dream that people who need a helping hand Are always given a helping hand by neighbors and family and friends.
01:12:32.000Okay, let's create a welfare where we can help these destitute people.
01:12:36.000Meanwhile, it's infested with scammers and bloodsuckers and liars who are able-bodied and they just don't want to stop at the help wanted sign.
01:12:44.000They want some of your income because you're stupid enough to get up early and work really hard and they don't want to.
01:13:22.000That's where if you were mentally ill and you needed help, that there was a place for you to go to get you off the streets so you don't attack people with spikes and two-by-fours.
01:13:29.000What are you talking about, the spikes?
01:13:30.000The guy right down the street here two days ago.
01:14:48.000But even those institutions, the corruption and the abuse of power that runs rampant, the nurse Cratchit, I mean, that wasn't just a fantasy script.
01:15:00.000The irresponsibility and pharmaceutical-ing everybody.
01:15:05.000You know, they got a mental problem, and then they increased the mental problem with Big Pharma.
01:15:10.000I mean, I've had personal experiences with that, with dear friends of mine that were having mental problems, and they end up in an institution, and then their mental problems are exasperated by chemical warfare upon them.
01:15:25.000You know, when I was growing up, how old are you, Joe?
01:15:37.000I mean, we saved tens of millions of lives in Africa with DDT by killing the Zizi fly, and we saved tens of millions of people.
01:15:46.000And then some environmentalists came in, and the DDT is a dangerous chemical, so they stopped it.
01:15:52.000And we lost tens of millions of people.
01:15:53.000It's better to kill a bunch of tsetse flies to save human lives than to ban the DDT that allows tsetse flies to flourish and kills people.
01:16:01.000So now it's gone full circle, and that's where the toxins have accumulated and the horrific waste that I had texted Anthony just before he died congratulating him on his hosting that show.
01:16:18.000If you haven't seen it yet, it's called Waste!
01:16:20.000What We Do to Our Foods in This Country.
01:16:23.000And the self-inflicted scourge of toxification of our precious environment.
01:16:31.000So there's not a lot of easy answers, but here it is, 28th of June, 2018, and here you and I are at least discussing this stuff to millions of people, I suspect, and I see upgrade taking place.
01:16:45.000I see upgrade in awareness, not fast enough to make me happy, but enough to indicate an upgraded prognosis for people's Awareness,
01:17:11.000One of my biggest pet peeves is little fat kids that take a sip of a $2 bottle of water and then they leave it there and end up throwing it away.
01:17:20.000The waste is pandemic in this country.
01:20:07.000Taking care of your health with a conscientious diet, good athletic workout discipline, physical prowess, do you really think that an outside source, peyote, mushrooms, dope,
01:20:22.000whatever you want to call it, do you really think that with that outside influence, You can do something you can't do unto your God-given gift individual self?
01:20:37.000I'm convinced, Joe, that you will be the absolute best you can be.
01:20:43.000You will accomplish what I think is the self-inflicted curse of modern man that 90%, 98% of humanity might be tapping into 5% of their capabilities.
01:20:54.000Because they get on a treadmill, they get in a paradigm, self-restricted paradigm, ever so decreasing view of the world and experiences and the destroyed road over-traveled versus not only the road less traveled,
01:21:44.000We put our fists together and chant James Brown and Wilson Pickett and Funk Brothers, and it's like the last wolves on an island, ganashing of teeth over the last bone and shard of flesh.
01:21:57.000It's an out-of-body, soaring-above-life-itself experience that we have in us.
01:22:13.000I understand that, but you don't use anything.
01:22:14.000So you're talking from a place of non-experience when it comes to marijuana or mushrooms or any of these things.
01:22:20.000But my 70 years, I'd say at least 55 of those years, from the beatniks to the hippies to the friends, and you've got to meet this Wayne Kramer guy, MC5 guitarist, new book, The Hard Stuff.
01:22:32.000He and I were born the same time, same influence as Detroit, the swamps, the outdoors, Bo Diddley, Chuck Berry, Motown, James Brown.
01:23:03.000You're going to be consumed by his conversational writing of the MC5's ascension to the most authoritative powerhouse music I've ever witnessed in my life.
01:23:19.000To a bunch of dirt bags on the downward spiral because of drugs and alcohol.
01:23:32.000It happens with a bunch of different things.
01:23:34.000But I think it's because of discipline.
01:23:36.000It's because they don't have a clear path.
01:23:37.000I think it's because they let themselves become self-indulgent and they let themselves be weak.
01:23:42.000What I'm saying is that I know a lot of people who use, whether it's psychedelics or they use marijuana, and they use it to enhance their perspective.
01:23:49.000It doesn't become the primary focus of their life.
01:23:53.000They don't allow it to consume their life.
01:23:55.000There's a whole other world of disciplined marijuana enthusiasts, and they're confused the same way people confuse hunters.
01:24:03.000The same way people think of hunters as being lazy, drunken slobs who are cruel to animals, and you and I know that that's not the case at all.
01:25:04.000Well, if you get a group of 100 people that use marijuana, the one loud fucking stupid one defies, or defines rather, what marijuana users are.
01:25:12.000You see that fucking idiot who's pissing all over himself and falling down so high he can't walk.
01:25:52.000They don't have respect for their body.
01:25:53.000See, the thing with, especially in the jiu-jitsu community, it's super common.
01:25:58.000Marijuana is really, really, really common.
01:26:00.000Yeah, I mean, there's a show called High Rollers where these guys, they put together a jiu-jitsu tournament and everybody had to get high before they rolled.
01:26:07.000And you're talking like elite, world-class Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belts competing high on marijuana.
01:26:13.000And that's got to be one of the highest forms of discipline available to us.
01:26:17.000Yes, it's a very, very difficult thing to do with your body.
01:26:19.000Right there with the Cameron Haynes mountain climbing, bow hunting, calling an elk in your lap.
01:26:23.000Well, you're doing an art that's designed to break bodies, and the two of you are going to do it together, and the whole idea is that you're going to get someone into a position where they have to tap, or they're going to get their arms snapped, or they're going to get choked unconscious.
01:26:35.000It's an intense, extremely difficult pursuit, and a lot of people do it under the influence of marijuana.
01:26:41.000Do you know any of these master jiu-jitsu martial artists that don't do any?
01:27:46.000Because what's happening is, the marijuana increases your sensitivity, makes you aware of all these variables, and a lot of people consider that paranoia.
01:27:53.000You start freaking out about all these variables.
01:27:55.000You start thinking about your mortality.
01:27:57.000And instead of embracing this time as a magical moment, instead of being in this moment, you just start getting overwhelmed, and you feel your own heartbeat, and you start freaking out.
01:28:26.000But once you make it widespread, I mean, I've studied the results of legalization for recreational use in Colorado and how the highway fatalities and accidents have increased.
01:32:17.000The original Thompsons were 900 rounds a minute, and nobody, including Sergeant Rock, could control that, so they backed it down to 600, but that's 45, and it's got a whole lot of lift.
01:32:30.000My 223 M4, my best morning, and this is how Uncle Ted parties, Apache helicopter, M4, Bags of ammo, 469 hogs one day.
01:32:42.000We played videos of that, you and Pigman from Apocalypse.
01:33:52.000Me and Chris Kobach, we were hunting, and we weren't allowed to pay the helicopter pilot by law.
01:33:58.000It couldn't be a for-profit outfit unless the government paid them, which was so un-Texas-like.
01:34:06.000So Chris Kobach, who was the Secretary of State in Kansas and was running for governor and should be governor of Kansas, He's a constitutional master, and he took the current pig hunting law from helicopters that was government controlled, no citizens,
01:34:25.000We gave it to then Attorney General Greg Abbott and Governor Perry at the time, and we said, this is insane.
01:34:31.000This can't be Texas where you get to hunt the pigs on our land, but we can't.
01:34:35.000So literally within a week or two, they passed the law where it became a commercial outfit where we the people can hunt the pigs out of helicopters, and it's become a huge success.
01:34:44.000It's really knocked the shit out of this dangerous pig population in those areas where landowners allow it and give authorization.
01:36:30.000Put in a good olive oil and all the seasons you like, but also a can of Werner's ginger ale, because it's got real ginger and just enough sugar in it to affect it, and soak that overnight in a glass dish covered up in a cool, like a refrigerator.
01:36:43.000And then put that sonbitch on some hot orange coals.
01:38:26.000Fen, F-E-N. It's a very unique wetland habitat that's a cross between a marsh and a swamp and a bog.
01:38:34.000And it's the habitat that produces the Mitchell's satyr butterfly environment, which is the Christmas tree fern.
01:38:43.000And on my Michigan fen, I have the healthiest productivity of the endangered species Christmas tree fern and Mitchell's satyr butterfly.
01:38:53.000According to the biologists and the botanists that visit there every year from universities, because I kill lots of critters that would otherwise denude those touchy wild vegetations.
01:39:07.000And that's why I hunt every day up there.
01:39:10.000I hunt coons and possums and skunks and beavers and mink and muskrats.
01:39:24.000In fact, they are drastically underharvested.
01:39:27.000But on mine, I kill so many egg-rating varmints that I have...
01:39:32.000The best biodiversity of all, including the endangered Mitchell Satter butterfly and Christmas tree fern, because I'm a steward who actually walks the wild ground, unlike a bureaucrat who looks at the computer screen in his DNR office and makes an assumption.
01:39:48.000Of what the model might indicate instead of what the actual wild ground will show you if you get the fuck off your chair and go walk that sacred ground.
01:39:56.000Well, that's a big criticism to people or from people that, especially like people in B.C. that are now part of that grizzly bear band.
01:40:33.000Well, they're not talking to the people that are in the forest.
01:40:35.000The actual people that are on the ground.
01:40:37.000And that's a real part of the problem is that these laws get passed by these people that have no interaction with this actual environment.
01:40:44.000It's like people who live in a drought voting on what's going on in your floodplain.
01:40:49.000You know, it's like the people in Detroit voting on wolves in the Upper Peninsula.
01:40:53.000If you don't live with the wolves, you don't get say-so.
01:40:57.000You need to respect the people who live with the wolves.
01:41:00.000And wolves don't buy licenses, wolves don't buy permits, wolves don't pay fees, wolves don't have bag limits, wolves don't have seasons, they just like to kill stuff.
01:41:10.000And if you have too many wolves, nobody's spending money on deer license or bear license or small game hunting in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan has been abandoned by a bunch of politically correct, ignorant city jerks who think they have to save the endangered wolf.
01:41:25.000I want wolves in Michigan, but not to the detriment of wildlife that actually pays for the game department to manage it for a sustained yield productivity.
01:42:14.000How can you go to work every day violating your oath to wildlife science?
01:42:21.000How can you force the mountain lion and the black bear in California into the liability column as a game warden, as a person dedicated to conservation?
01:42:31.000How can you violate your wise use oath to And turn the mountain lion and the black bear into a liability because some dirtbag in San Francisco think it's unfair to use hounds or bait for bear.
01:42:45.000And then you have to go in and shoot black bears with tax dollars and bury them in a hole in the ground.
01:42:52.000Instead of a family recreational resource that you buy licenses and fees and permits and guides and outfitters, hotels, food, lodging, groceries, supplies, butchers, ice, taxidermists, none of that happens because some...
01:43:09.000Liar has forced the wildlife mismanagers of California to ban mountain lion hunting while you continue to kill them as damage control instead of manage them as quality control.
01:43:22.000Shame on the California wildlife officers.
01:43:26.000Shame on you for not blowing the whistle.
01:43:28.000It's like Comey at the FBI. How dare you walk into that building that says J. Edgar Hoover over the top and not feel a sense of guilt?
01:43:36.000Because J. Edgar Hoover was one of the biggest criminal punks that ever walked this earth.
01:43:40.000And now Comey is following him in his footsteps.
01:43:45.000How did you go all these years without blowing the whistles on the corruption, the power abuse, and the criminality by your so-called leaders?
01:43:53.000I don't know enough about the Comey thing to comment, but I do know enough about what you did do.
01:43:58.000I do know, because he's a liar, and he's a perjurer, and he's a felon.
01:44:05.000I'm really angry, because I work with the FBI. I've had to rely on these guys to cover my back on raids, and they're great warriors, and they look the other way because they're saving their pensions instead of blowing the whistles on their corrupt criminal leaders.
01:44:56.000And give out permits after the mountain lion has destroyed millions of dollars worth of livestock and pets, and scared the shit out of people and killed people.
01:45:05.000You're supposed to kill them before they do the damage.
01:45:07.000It's supposed to be quality control, not damage control.
01:45:10.000They know the system, they've abandoned it, and they've gone the political correct denial route and said that the mountain lions are not game animals.
01:47:27.000It's like, we love animals, we don't want you to kill this mountain lion.
01:47:30.000Okay, well, if you love animals, you'll let them kill this one mountain lion that's obviously targeting these pets, because this is not hunting.
01:47:37.000And by the way, you know why the mountain lion is targeting the pets?
01:47:40.000Because there's too many mountain lions, and the dominant males have run all the other mountain lions out of ideal habitat into your neighborhood!
01:48:50.000And California is one of the most beautiful wilderness states in the world.
01:48:54.000And because mountain lions have been irresponsibly mismanaged, now you have a destruction of the wildlife in the deer category, in the small game, another game.
01:49:05.000Because the mountain lions are in the liability column.
01:49:08.000If you reduce the mountain lion numbers, then hunters will pay for the deer licenses, which pay for the game departments and the scientists to manage the wildlife so we have balance.
01:49:57.000No, you don't get to spend any money and provide game department finances.
01:50:01.000No, you don't get to go to hotels and travel and food and lodging and supplies and sporting goods and taxidermists.
01:50:07.000You don't get to increase the economy of the entire area because of one mountain lion hunt.
01:50:12.000We're going to take your tax dollars and compensate all the dead livestock, and then we're going to hire a guy to kill the mountain lion, Joe, dig a hole, which, by the way, you're going to take your tax dollars to hire a guy with a front loader, dig a hole, and bury this magnificent animal.
01:50:30.000But don't you think this is because of public perception?
01:51:01.000Like, you would only kill a mountain lion if you're one of those dickless assholes that wants to go to Africa and shoot a lion in the head and mount it on your wall.
01:51:38.000Well, how about the fact that he put together that so-called documentary that Hollywood actually gave him an award and he copy and pasted Out of sequence, the attack on the great Charlton Heston, claiming he was somehow responsible for the little child killing herself with her paroled felon father's gun.
01:51:55.000And they put it out of sequence and attributed Charlton Heston defending such irresponsible gun ownership.
01:52:03.000Michael Moore is a lying, cruel, stoned punk.
01:54:14.000I've been with guns since I could walk.
01:54:17.000I have had universal, unlimited access to firepower my whole life, both in a recreational and A disciplined, a law enforcement, military training, and just family plinking competition.
01:54:32.000So in every considerable, imaginable gun use, I've been 68 years of it.
01:54:42.000So they sicked Pierce Morgan on me to teach me a lesson about how irresponsible gun owners are and that if we could just ban guns, that all the violence would end.
01:54:52.000And of course, if you haven't seen it, you've got to Google it.
01:55:01.000Because I so overwhelmed him with evidence that they finally researched and realized that every word out of my mouth was absolutely indisputable.
01:55:10.000Well, what was most compelling that you were saying to him?
01:55:12.000I'll summarize it this way, like I did to Pierce.
01:55:32.000Virginia Tech, Columbine, Sandy Hook, Aurora, Parkland, Every instance where the most innocent lives have been slaughtered, Have been in Nancy Pelosi, Maxine Waters, Eric Holder,
01:56:20.000So if you know that your dream is a gun-free zone and that's where the most innocent lives are lost, what kind of demonic dirtbag would actually want more?
01:57:06.000So what you do, instead of thinking you could ban water, learn to swim and watch your children by the pool.
01:57:14.000Call me weird, but the way to handle violence is to carry a gun, practice with it, and when someone brings lethal force against you, shoot the motherfucker!
01:57:26.000People are very uncomfortable with the idea of an incredibly armed society.
01:58:09.000Do you know, Joe, and everybody better write this down, because I'm the only guy that will tell you this.
01:58:14.000I've studied the cadence, the bullet manufacturers, the rate of fire, the movement of the perp, and the movement of the victims.
01:58:24.000In every instance, including in Connecticut, including Aurora, including San Bernardino right here, There were American citizens who would have had a gun on their person if they were allowed to.
01:58:39.000And they could have been a meaningful force to at least reduce, if not terminate, the violent, murderous threat.
01:58:48.000But by law, we have been so dumbed down and so forced against our natural survival instinct to have a tool on our belt That in every instance where the most innocent lives were slaughtered,
01:59:04.000those people that would have intervened with a firearm, not many of them, but there was a janitor, there was a couple of guys in the office, they had concealed weapons permits, but they weren't allowed to have them in that building.
01:59:14.000In Virginia Tech, there were guys that had concealed weapons permits, but they weren't allowed to have them there.
01:59:19.000In Aurora, Colorado, are you kidding me?
01:59:21.000All kinds of people would have had guns.
01:59:23.000They could have returned fire, but they were forced into unarmed helplessness.
01:59:49.000I've never been unarmed since I graduated from high school.
01:59:54.000I've always had a hanky and a A pocket full of guitar picks and a pocket knife and a belt knife and a belt tool and a pistol and some extra bullets.
02:01:02.000Do you think you stop that with more guns?
02:01:04.000Or do you think you stop that with mental health education, figuring out how to get people off of pills, figuring out how to keep people from living despondent lives where they want to just tear it all down and shoot everybody and hurt a bunch of people?
02:01:19.000Here we are, 2018. So we can't Go back in history and find the goofball from Virginia Tech and what motivated him.
02:01:28.000We can't go back there because we have failed as a society to take care of people or respond with any sense of responsibility or effectiveness to the glaring danger signs most It's
02:02:03.000very difficult for them to do something until someone does something.
02:04:06.000Sit down with this kid at the first instance.
02:04:08.000When your kid comes home all glassy-eyed and goofy and incommunicable and showing weird signs like the Sandy Hook guy did all his life and the Aurora guy did all his life and the Parkland guy zombie, you know, staring like a...
02:04:44.000What you're saying is, if you have no gun-free zones and people are allowed to have guns, at least they'll have an ability to defend themselves.
02:07:11.000Something else has happened, and it has a lot to do with Big Farm and the irresponsible knee-jerk bandage on a gaping wound of a child showing, you know, uppity, childlike behavior, and all of a sudden they Prozac them and they're riddling them.
02:07:38.000Listen to what he did on the Ted Nugent album and the Cat Scratch Fever album and the Free For All album and the Weekend War.
02:07:45.000I mean, this guy was a god of musicality.
02:07:48.000He became depressed and was prescribed.
02:07:53.000And the incidence of people being prescribed mood controllers and emotion controllers and depression controllers, the incidence and the consistency with which they attempt to go cold turkey and kill themselves.
02:08:17.000Your logic meter is off-duty with this pharmaceuticals in your system.
02:08:23.000Cliff came home, decided to get off the Prozac, walked out into the yard screaming, throwing his clothes out the window, and shot himself in the head.
02:08:34.000And Aurora guy, they're all on something.
02:09:23.000And then there's the argument that there's a lot of people that take these pharmaceuticals and they have no violent outbursts, which I agree with too, but the people that do have violent outbursts are almost universally on something.
02:09:51.00042 calls to the Sheriff's Department threatening to shoot the school and three to the FBI. Do you think the Parkland shooter should have been visited a little earlier than after 42 and three calls of threatening to shoot up the school?
02:10:03.000Do you think the authorities should have the right to go visit this kid, meet with his parents, and get the guns out of there?
02:10:09.000Don't you think when you say, I am going to shoot up the school, in my world, that would be good enough to disqualify that person from owning a gun?
02:10:27.000It's not like he was, you know, peeing on the Alamo and just being a dirtbag.
02:10:32.000He was threatening to kill as many people as possible.
02:10:35.000That, to me, is enough information to disarm the guy and probably institutionalize him or even take him in for review to a psychiatric ward at that point.
02:10:45.000You can't say, I'm going to kill people.
02:11:15.000I don't want everyone to have an 850 horsepower Ford Bronco.
02:11:19.000I don't want everyone to go on the Joe Rogan podcast.
02:11:23.000There is a time and place for individuality and individual choices, and many people will always be uncomfortable, you know, taking a hook out of a fish's lip.
02:11:56.000Those teachers in all these school shootings, there were teachers that would have had a gun, but they were forbidden to.
02:12:02.000And there are instances, and this is something that people that are anti-gun don't like to talk about, but there are instances where trained shooters have stopped mass shootings and have stopped someone killing people.
02:13:23.000Initially, it's like, you know, Bernie Goetz defending his life, but eventually the charges were dropped because it was clear and present she was defending herself from an engineered recidivistic Write that down.
02:14:41.000In fact, he stabbed two people, but he missed the artery, so we're going to let him out and see if he can study anatomy enough and get a good stab next time.
02:17:23.000Until the interrogation comes out, I feel like it's not fair to say, but there are people pointing at things that have been in the news recently.
02:17:39.000Like, if you were in a grocery store somewhere and some guy came in shooting and you had a gun, I would want you to be able to defend yourself.
02:19:20.000Like this fucking culture is gun happy from all of our movies and television shows and the solution is always like bang bang bang like shooting people is a part of the solution.
02:20:10.000And I think this is ultimately what everybody is trying to find.
02:20:12.000We were talking about, when you were gone, the Australians, where they banned guns because of one mass shooting, and they've never had a mass shooting since.
02:20:20.000Yeah, but their gun crime continues to go up and down based on other social factors.
02:21:23.000Delineation from a post-World War II celebration of the freedoms that motivated our armed forces to defeat the worst evil on the planet, the Japanese slaughterers and the Nazi devils.
02:21:40.000That it was our constitution and our individual rights that motivated these guys to fight harder.
02:21:48.000And you know, as a martial artist, you have to see beyond the contest.
02:21:53.000And it's almost like you don't make your hit where you want to hit.
02:21:58.000You want your hit to go past where you want to hit.
02:22:03.000We were a united nation in 1946, 1947, and certainly right, 48 when I was born.
02:22:11.000And Detroit was the work ethic, productivity epicenter of planet Earth, universally known.
02:22:18.000We were the war machine that built the tanks and the bombers and the planes and pride of ownership.
02:22:26.000And you got up early and you busted your ass to be the best that you can be and you kept your yard good and you kept your house clean and you earned your own way and it was an embarrassment not to earn your own way.
02:22:39.000And you save for a rainy day, and you live within your means, and you discipline yourself.
02:22:56.000And if I wanted an arrow, I had to go to pick up garbage and try to sell golf balls back and get deposits on bottles and cans and cut lawns.
02:23:09.000There was the rugged individualism, the self-sufficiency, the neighborliness, the giving and caring and You know, it did take a village.
02:23:20.000It started with family, but you cared about your neighbors and you watched over each other.
02:23:24.000And then I saw, with all due respect, when the beatniks and the dope and then the hippies and the disconnect and a carelessness erupted and a meanness.
02:23:43.000More meanness and anger and disconnect.
02:23:47.000And then, after whether it was the New Deal or the Great Society, which kind of incentivized not being the best that you can be, and you can actually stay home and get a check, and the unions would negotiate not on quality automobiles,
02:24:04.000but money that May or may not be there, but we'll get you some more money and you can make Chryslers that won't even start.
02:24:14.000And I saw this Detroit go from this glowing...
02:24:20.000Epicenter of goodwill and decency and work ethic to liberal Democrats scamming people and bribing people for votes by getting you something you didn't earn.
02:24:32.000And then all of a sudden, the city burnt down and there were couches in the street and refrigerators on the lawns and it just turned into a lump of shit.
02:24:47.000I go downtown Detroit now and building the beautiful architecture still boarded up from the 67 riots.
02:24:54.000I took my kids down for the 42nd anniversary of the Amboy Dukes, and I wanted to show them this beautiful city I was raised in and what happened to it.
02:25:02.000And almost for dramatic effect, almost like Cecil B. DeMille was directing a scene for me to emphasize how deteriorated Detroit got.
02:25:12.000Here's this guy on the sidewalk with his pants down taking a dump.
02:25:33.000And I've done it with my musicians all my life.
02:25:35.000I go, goddammit, we were really rocking last week and now you're all stoned and can't even wake you up!
02:25:41.000But don't you think that when you're talking about 1946, the United States, we were all...
02:25:48.000Against the Nazis and the Japanese, we were united in the fact that our lives were threatened, the world's future was threatened, and people felt like they had a purpose.
02:25:58.000Do you remember, I was in New York right after September 11th, and something happened, a friend of mine fainted, and we had to call the fire department, you know, EMT showed up, and the respect of And the happiness that people had when they saw the first responders.
02:26:15.000And I was like, this is fascinating because I lived in New York before.
02:26:50.000When people were united, working together to make sure there was enough scrap metal and enough rubber, and they were carpooling so that they have enough raw materials to create...
02:27:01.000Keeping twine and rubber bands for the war it caused.
02:27:05.000Sacrificing for the benefit of their society.
02:27:07.000Yeah, and they felt like there was something real going on.
02:27:11.000Whereas when there's no threat and no worries, I think people get lost.
02:27:15.000I think, especially people with no discipline.
02:27:18.000Not everybody, of course, but there's a tendency to get lost.
02:27:22.000Then there's a tendency for people to take advantage of those people that are lost and say, it's not your fault, it's the government's fault.
02:27:27.000And the government needs to pay you, and the government needs to help out.
02:27:51.000You have to admit, with intelligent, conscientious, well-formulated prioritization, 2018, we can go on and on about the problems in the world.
02:28:07.000Do you know that I'm the happiest motherfucker with the greatest band, the greatest crew, the greatest family?
02:28:14.000Love my TV show and New York Times bestsellers and successful to some degree and the things I pursue and my passions.
02:28:53.000But here's a salute on a Joe Rogan podcast to all those people out there That do intelligently and responsibly prioritize.
02:29:03.000And they bust their ass because they're out there.
02:29:06.000There's monster armies of working hard, playing hard shit kickers who sacrifice and take risks and try to start a new business and fall down in the arena and stand up and brush themselves off and get back at it.
02:29:20.000Those are the people that I want to talk to right now because they're the best of the best.
02:30:37.000You don't need to find out the sex life of a turtle.
02:30:40.000You need to take those billions of grant money that you're blowing right now for some jack-off, and we need to address the mental health homelessness.
02:30:55.000The people who have mental issues and physical issues, and that Donald Trump has finally got a point in time where you can fire a veteran administration Scam artist punk who doesn't care about the vets,
02:31:11.000doesn't show up for work, and absconds on revenues that could have got a couple wheelchairs for a legless Marine.
02:31:42.000I think if we start family, neighbors, and don't be afraid to tell your neighbor, you know, I saw your son the other day who's passed out at the curb.
02:31:51.000I don't think we intervene like we did back when I was growing up.
02:31:55.000Nobody would have tolerated that shit when I was growing up.
02:31:57.000They would have sounded the alarm, and I don't think there's enough of that.
02:32:51.000Some people don't like to hear this shit, but the style in which you talk, like even when you're debating Piers Morgan, you're very powerful with the way you describe things, and you get people that want to argue back with you.
02:33:05.000Because I think the gentleman's approach, Mitt Romney and John McCain, you didn't represent nothing.
02:33:12.000The reason Donald Trump won is because finally the shit-kickers, who work rough and tumble, those construction guys outside the Four Seasons.
02:34:01.000But he came in swinging a crowbar to this horrible status quo that can best be described as, well, he's not presidential.
02:34:07.000You're goddamn right he's not presidential because all these presidential guys got us into this mess because they were so cautious and they didn't want to ruffle any feathers.
02:34:16.000We want to have a big tent, including all the bad guys and people that don't believe in secure borders.
02:34:30.000So the shit kickers finally saw somebody busting the status quo.
02:34:35.000You're damn right he's not presidential, because presidential got us into this train wreck, and we're done with it.
02:34:41.000So the Republicans better be paying attention, because if you're status quo-y, we're not voting for you.
02:34:48.000If you come in swinging, you don't have to be rude, you don't have to be screaming, you don't have to be condemning, but you have to be honest and forthright and sound like somebody, you'd have a beer with it, a barbecue.
02:34:57.000And if you sound like a shit kicker and one of us working hard playing on Americans, and you address our concerns, we'll vote for you.
02:35:03.000If you don't, we're going to stay in our tree stand in November, which is what happened traditionally.
02:35:08.000That's why Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania, with 800,000 hunters, won it for Trump, because we are a hunter's We're good to go.
02:36:36.000Every one of my promoters have death threats because they dare to hire me.
02:36:40.000Every one of my bandmates and my crewmates, some guys that are building this wonderful Bell amplifier, they just showed a picture on their website with me testing their new amplifier, and people attacked them and threatened to kill them because they're working with the coward animal murderer.
02:37:42.000If it's not America first, then who is it?
02:37:44.000I think people think of it as you're denying opportunity to people that live in an impoverished third world country that's connected to us.
02:37:52.000All my ancestors came through Ellis Island and denounced their allegiance to where they came from.
02:37:59.000You can still cook Swedish and you can still cook German, but you've got to announce allegiance to where you come from because you're coming here.
02:38:08.000You have to pledge allegiance to the United States now.
02:38:11.000But it's fucking hard for someone to come over from Mexico.
02:38:14.000And don't you think that the real problem is that Mexico sucks?
02:39:21.000My sound man, Frank, went through the seven-year process from Germany, and now he's a legal citizen in America.
02:39:27.000Why should someone be able to swim across the Rio Grande and circumvent all that process so we know whether you're going to be an asset or a liability?
02:39:43.000And that's why our immigration system is horrific, even the legal one.
02:39:48.000So I know it's a problem, but we're putting all these resources and man hours into securing the porous border instead of processing those who legitimately would like a better quality of life in America.
02:40:01.000But first, we have to differentiate between the protesters who think that we need to turn over...
02:40:07.000California, Arizona, and Texas back to Mexico so it can turn into a shithole.
02:40:34.000If you're in the liability column, I love you if you're having hard times.
02:40:38.000But if you have squatted intentionally as an able-bodied individual in that liability column, you are a detriment to America, and you should get the fuck out of here.
02:40:50.000That's when you look at it in perspective, the people that are able-bodied Americans that don't do jack shit, and some poor bastard is trying to do anything they can to get here from Mexico to the point where they're literally dying of dehydration, making their way through the desert.
02:41:03.000And they would bust their ass if given that opportunity, and it's not fair.
02:41:16.000They're so disprioritized that all this effort's going towards, you know, securing the Rio Grande when people are illegally swimming across and jeopardizing their very life and limb when just down a couple miles there's a legal entrance and it might be a pain in the ass.
02:41:34.000But you're here with me today, June 28th, 2018. Have you not put up with major pains in the ass as a martial artist, as a comedian?
02:42:10.000I just think there's got to be a better conversation about this.
02:42:15.000And I think that the conversation is that if you oppose these people that are illegally immigrating into this country, that you're a racist.
02:42:48.000I have always judged by content of character, never by color of skin.
02:42:53.000I have to admit, there is a racist element in me because I'm going to expect a black guy to be able to play a better groove than a white guy.
02:43:00.000That has been overruled over the years because there's so many white guys that learned from the black masters that now it is raceless.
02:43:10.000But growing up, I always figured the black guy would be a better musician.
02:43:15.000So you're racist against white people.
02:43:16.000Yes, in the early days it was that way.
02:43:19.000But nowadays we learn from those black soul artists that were the consummate definitive authority of emotional music.
02:43:29.000From the James Brown, the Funk Brothers, and Chuck, and Bo, and Little Richard, and Bebe, and Freddie, and Albert, and all these monster black heroes of everybody's.
02:43:39.000And there's not a musician in the world that won't admit that.
02:43:41.000But now, because of that influence all these years, the white boys can keep right up there with them.
02:43:48.000In fact, in many instances, compared to a lot of the rap and the hip-hop, There's a whole lot of white guys out there.
02:43:55.000I think of Joe Bonamassa and Anton Figg and certainly Jason Hartless and Greg Smith and all the guys in Aerosmith and ZZ Top.
02:44:03.000I mean, you close your eyes and there's not a Caucasian to be found in these bands nowadays, soul-wise.
02:44:40.000It's an unfair thing to do that people like to do because it automatically puts you on the defensive.
02:44:45.000You're automatically on your heels and you have to defend this charge against racism by proving you're not a racist, which makes people suspicious that you might be racist.
02:45:45.000Like Diane Sawyer, God love her, but she had the opportunity of a lifetime when she was interviewing Bruce, and he was saying, you know, for all practical purposes, I'm a woman.
02:45:56.000And she said, she should have said, yeah, except for the dick.
02:46:19.000And I raced with him in off-road races and stuff, and I always beat him, which was just shit luck because I was more aggressive.
02:46:26.000And he was a great guy, and I suspect she's still a great gal.
02:46:32.000Yeah, I mean, I respect anyone's choice to do whatever you want as long as it's not hurting people, and that falls right into that category.
02:47:21.000I exercise my duties as we the people to talk about policies and get in the face of my elected employees and hold them to constitutional accountability.
02:47:31.000I'm like, I missed the Concord Bridge, so I'm here doing this now.
02:47:36.000And I, in my everyday walk at the sushi restaurant, at the gas station, at the feed mill, at the charity event, people are always coming up and they've Those that would hesitate, I guess, never showed up because I never felt any hesitation.
02:47:52.000They're always genuinely intrigued, and they express confusion and uncomfortableness, discomfort with the concept of killing game.
02:48:03.000But within minutes, when I talk about sustained yield, habitat carrying capacity, just simple, readily understood Earthly logistics.
02:48:16.000They go, well, I never thought of it like that before.
02:48:18.000Well, they're going to have babies next year, and there's not going to be any new ground.
02:48:22.000We're going to have to grow next year's wildlife on the existing habitat, and in most cases, reduced habitat.
02:48:29.000But thank God the cougars can live in your backyard, and the bears can live in the cul-de-sac in Pennsylvania, and coyotes will live in your bathroom here.
02:49:34.000They hear about that and there's all this talk about organic and, you know, close to nature and being connected to your food, but they don't know how to...
02:49:42.000It's pretty easy to start a garden if you have a yard, but to start hunting, there's a great barrier to entry.
02:49:54.000Not to be my Facebook, but I am the glow worm of the hunting lifestyle.
02:50:02.000People have always come to me for that.
02:50:04.000Because I've always promoted it, and I've never backed down, and almost every interviewer brings it up since the 1960s because it was the tip of the culture war controversial spear.
02:50:16.000Hunting and guns, those are the tip of the culture war from the beginning because people were moving from urban, self-sufficient hunting, fishing, trapping, earthly lifestyles to the city where they were catered to.
02:50:28.000And they didn't hear the chicken squawking, so they didn't feel responsible for its death.
02:50:41.000So I use blunt street term nomenclature.
02:50:49.000Easily identified colloquialisms of modern terminology that is timeless, and it registers with them quickly.
02:50:59.000Now, getting over the hump to have access to hunting ground, I also have been effective in educating people on that, because everybody's got an Uncle Joe.
02:51:07.000Everybody's got access to some state or federal open ground, and even though the hunting isn't very quality on those public areas oftentimes, If you are willing to pursue what should have inspired you to ask about hunting, and that means to go beyond the beaten path,
02:51:25.000which is part of the spiritual experience, leaving the modern kush and getting Into a wild area.
02:51:33.000I find that a lot of my new baptized hunting, young, old, and otherwise, that they like going deep.
02:51:41.000And they will find that deer that's not on the fringes of public ground that have already been, you know, so pressured that they've moved into the interior nucleus of more sanctuary habitat.
02:51:54.000They're so happy, even if they didn't get something.
02:51:56.000Because I got in there and it took me two hours to get in there.
02:51:59.000It was still dark and I was concerned about my safety.
02:52:03.000I'd never been that deep in the woods before up in the Manistee National Forest in Michigan or in any wild ground, Colorado, Wyoming, Montana, California.
02:54:48.000And within just minutes, an honest person will admit that their tofu salad has a whole bunch of dead ground squirrels in its vapor trail.
02:54:57.000But unless I tell them that, nobody else can tell them that.
02:55:01.000Well, another thing that's a big blind spot is they don't understand where conservation money comes from.
02:55:05.000When you talk to them about the Pickman-Robertson Act, you talk to them about how many billions of dollars every year is generated from sales of ammunition, hunting gear, bows and arrows, and all that stuff.
02:55:39.000There was no anti-hunting first 10 years of my life.
02:55:42.000It was the concrete jungle acidification removal from the system by which we are sustained that was a convenient disconnect, and you could deny it because you didn't hear the animals die.
02:55:56.000It was nice and cleaned up in the little cellophane package.
02:56:00.000And this is new over the last few generations.
02:56:02.000Yeah, and that denial metastasized into a cult of Make believe in fantasy.
02:56:08.000But to their credit, there is only a lunatic fringe.
02:56:12.000I don't believe that the animal rights, even though they've succeeded in California, they run into a dead-end brick wall everywhere else.
02:56:21.000Even though in Michigan the dirtbags succeeded in banning the hunting of the number one game animal on planet Earth, the morning dove, where we grow more doves in Michigan than all the quail, pheasant, woodcock, and grouse combined.
02:57:36.000But that you have inflected and injected the truth about conservation-wise use wildlife management is a hallelujah moment, which is why I'm sitting across from you today.
02:57:48.000And a lot of it I got, honestly, from people like you that were enthusiastic about it that got me curious.
02:57:53.000When I saw how enthusiastic you were about hunting and about the eating of wild meat and how much energy it gives you, I got very curious many years before I ever started hunting.
02:59:04.000And if some people want to go vegan and they can pull it off with careful studying of their diet and making sure they're supplementing with all the right things, good luck.
02:59:14.000Well, you know, you ask how we can initiate this conversation.
02:59:17.000After my great hero Fred Bear died in 1987, it was the next year I started the Ted Nugent Camp for Kids, which was a movement forward of what he told me to continue promoting conservation and hunting the way I was.
02:59:29.000So I started a charity, 501C3 Charity, the Ted Nugent Camp for Kids, where we run in Colorado, South Dakota, Nebraska, and Iowa.
02:59:38.000Every year we've graduated over 16,000 boys and girls between the ages of 7 and 17 from From great volunteers, men and women from every imaginable walk of life that I have to vet because it's got my name on it, but great heroes of law enforcement, military, and just great families.
02:59:53.000And we teach them the discipline of archery, the discipline of wildlife management, including if you don't fish a pond, the fish will...
03:00:03.000They'll overpopulate and they'll die off.
03:00:05.000That you have to harvest a surplus to make room for the next productivity.
03:00:10.000And trapping, the importance of trapping, that that's how you keep disease under control.
03:00:14.000And that's how you keep value to fur bearers.
03:00:16.000And that's how you make really great, great warm clothes.
03:00:19.000And atlatls and fly fishing and the meticulous detail and discipline of tying flies and animals.
03:00:27.000Being clean and sober and being the best that you can be and self-sufficiency and rugged individualism.
03:00:33.000So this has been going on since 1989. And still, you haven't read a word about it in New York Times.
03:00:39.000You haven't read a word about it anywhere because they're too quick to condemn me because I'm so good at promoting hunting and gun ownership that they avoid me like the plague.
03:00:49.000But the real tragedy is that outdoor life, field and stream, sports and field...
03:00:54.000Guns and ammo, all these sporting publications, not a word.
03:00:59.00030 years of a wonderful charity created by a household name celebrity about the most important things in life.
03:03:50.000Some of the ranchers who value the wildlife more than citrus, and there's nothing wrong with citrus, they literally said, well, goddammit, every time my herds migrate, only a portion of them come back because all these agri-concerns are destroying,
03:04:05.000killing the wildlife to protect their agriculture.
03:04:08.000So I'm going to fence my 20,000 acres, and I'm going to manage it.
03:05:35.000Are my pressured animals on Spirit Wild Ranch, on my open 1,100-acre swamp in Michigan.
03:05:41.000If I want to shoot a deer, I can 90% plus tell you, with all my different choices of tree stands and my strategies of wind and In habitat and positioning, bait or no bait, just travel corridors.
03:05:57.000I've owned it since 1978. In fact, the one place I've owned since 1970. I have like 20 times the shot opportunity on my open ground than I do on my fenced ground.
03:06:13.000My high-fenced hunting and all the high-fenced hunting I've ever had is as absolutely pure, fair chase...
03:06:21.000As any wilderness I've ever been to, from the Sudan to Alaska to Saskatchewan to Ontario to Montana to Wyoming to Northern California, it is hunting.
03:06:38.000In my killing an animal, it only plays a role in keeping pressure outside so I don't have to shoot that two- or three- or four-year-old buck.
03:06:46.000I can wait until he's five, but I still have to kill those fidgety does, and it's absolutely pure hunting.
03:07:01.000They're stuck there, so you know that they're going to be there, which is the difference between that and, like, say, you go into a backcountry hunt, you know, you park your truck in the trailhead and hike in 12 miles.
03:07:26.000But then again, it's like, do people have a problem fishing in a stocked pond?
03:07:30.000Or in a pond that's not stocked, but managed on my property, so that I fish it adequately enough so that the bass get to be 6, 7, and 8 pounds, but I don't let them get stunted.
03:07:53.000And I have no better chance of shooting deer on Spirit Wild Ranch in the high fence than I do hunting the suburbs of Columbus, Ohio, where those deer can go everywhere, except that there is a highway right there.
03:09:19.000We stopped shooting young ones, and all the neighbors agreed, just like they did in Buffalo County, Wisconsin, which is all just decisions by contiguous landowners to not shoot young bucks because somebody shot a 200-inch, and they went, wow, where'd you get that?
03:09:35.000That's why I was so popular, because deer hunting was not popular, and guys were shooting six- and seven-year-old mammoths.
03:09:41.000And so the hunters that started deer hunting went, well, I'm not shooting that two-year-old booger buck, because Joe down the road got a...
03:10:09.000We keep setting records for deer and moose and elk and caribou and bear and mountain lion and antelope every year.
03:10:17.000We set world records constantly because our hunting system of being disciplined and waiting for that mature animal, our hunting system has produced the healthiest, most monstrosity specimens in the history of record-keeping ever.
03:10:33.000So we're not hurting anything by being disciplined and patient, which I've learned over the years, and my son is very adamant about, and so many hunters are.
03:10:43.000There's a mysticism to that mature stag.
03:10:47.000The breeders of our ancestors were the best hunters, and they did the breeding because they were more resourceful and more Intelligently connected to the system by which we fed the tribe.
03:10:59.000So those killer stag hunters were always the leader of tribes.
03:11:05.000And it's still that way today, I'd like to think.
03:11:08.000And also, this pursuit of bow hunting, which is more difficult and more rewarding because it's more difficult, is many levels more difficult when you're chasing after a 200-inch buck.
03:11:21.000Because this is a six, seven-year-old animal that's been avoiding mountain lions and bears and whatever else is trying to eat it for years and years.
03:11:44.000In South Texas, where age management was created, because they supplement and they got center pivot agriculture down in the deserts of South Texas, and that genetic is a very fortified genetic anyhow.
03:14:04.000In 1967, they injected scrapies, which is the sheep version of the spongiform encephalectomy, into the mule deer in 1967, and they got out.
03:14:22.000You know that sheep were more popular in America than cattle.
03:14:25.000There were way more sheep than cattle until scrapies came in, which is that CWD version for sheep, mad cow in bovines and Crutchfeld Jacob in humans.
03:14:35.000And, of course, Crutchfeld Jacob was a result the scientists determined by the scientists Crutchfeld and Jacob that the Indonesian people that got this This spongiform condition from a mutated prion because they ate the brains of their conquered enemies,
03:14:55.000So I'm aware of all this stuff, but believe me when I tell you, live on the Joe Rogan podcast, the CWD hysteria is a scam.
03:15:09.000More deer are killed in Michigan every year by feral dogs than all the deer ever worldwide by CWD. I think the concern, though, with CWD is that it's spreading.
03:15:33.000They were looking for it before, but they think that it's come from animals that get out of these high-fence farm operations where they all feed from the same trough and they spread this from there.
03:15:43.000I think there's no evidence to support that.
03:15:46.000Dr. James Crow just testified with me in front of the Michigan Natural Resource Commission and Department of Natural Resources, and all the exhaustive studies have concluded that CWD cannot be cross- A species.
03:16:21.000Wisconsin spent $70 million, tried to eradicate certain herds, which is a virtual impossibility, by the way, and even if you were successful...
03:16:47.000There's been no reduced seasons even in the epicenter, the endemic area of Colorado and Wyoming, where it started, where it's the most prevalent.
03:17:28.000I'm worried about bureaucrats that have scared away hunters in Wisconsin and caused butchers to quit processing deer because of the manufactured hysteria.
03:18:06.000Remember, these are the bureaucrats, Joe, in Michigan that claimed that there were, quote, 5,000 to 7,000 Russian boar running wild in Michigan.
03:18:14.000Can we analyze that claim for a moment?
03:18:17.000Maybe you can tell me, Joe, what the fuck is a Russian boar?
03:18:36.000And then they claimed, and here's another one, so isn't it our moral and spiritual obligation to wisely use the animals we harvest, isn't it?
03:20:11.000If there's enough sandhill cranes for farmers to shoot, open the season, sell licenses, create a management plan, and show some decency and respect, and let us eat the ribeye in the sky, you stupid bastards.
03:20:29.000Now, see, I'm confrontational now because I've been confronted with an offensive, a criminal law that forbids us to utilize God's precious protein.
03:20:45.000It doesn't make any sense that the morning dove, you know, the picture of the dove on millions of boxes of ammo in Michigan, there's a picture of a dove and it says game load.
03:20:53.000But the Michigan DNR will say, oh, no, no, no, that's a songbird.
03:23:21.000And I think it's a good opportunity for people to get a chance to see you in a long-form conversation rather than these sound bites they could just choose to hate.
03:23:30.000Yeah, especially when the sound bites are edited and manufactured.
03:25:43.000And so I did an interview with High Times, which by the way, let's make it clear.
03:25:46.000I've done this so many times, but people ignore my actual statements.
03:25:50.000So I had been doing interviews all because the Embrydukes were on fire and I was just an outrage on stage with the loincloth and the bow and arrow and the feedback and these killer songs and the band was so good.
03:26:19.000And every time I'd read the interview, I'd go, God, we were talking about my music.
03:26:22.000You didn't even get the song titles right.
03:26:25.000So I started having fun with these interviewers, much to the entertainment of my bandmates, who would break out in hysterics when I'd make up stories because I'm not going to even try to be accurate anymore.
03:27:23.000So how did this conversation get started about the draft?
03:27:26.000So anyhow, we started talking about when I'm with the MC5 and the Stooges, and we would party, and I go, yeah, man, I was snorting something.
03:27:33.000I don't know what it was, but man, I just got higher than a kite.
03:27:35.000And he goes, wow, you think it might have been crystal meth?
03:27:38.000And I went, yeah, that's what they called it.
03:29:37.000They just make this shit up because they know I'm so good at I'm bringing my basic conservative agenda forward that they have to go full Saul Alinsky and lie and lie and lie.
03:29:53.000And if you go to Wikipedia to find out about Ted Nugent, they will repeat these lies.