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00:01:00.000But, I mean, just because other people are also bad guys doesn't negate his point of Putin being a bad guy.
00:01:06.000What he was saying is just that it's very bizarre that the Republicans, these people that were, you know, at the forefront of the Cold War, these ones who, you know, these are the people that remember Khrushchev banging on the desk, you know, saying, we'll bury you with Kennedy.
00:01:26.000They're essentially, like, trying to paint out Putin to be a good guy because Trump is in this position where he's trying to be friends with this guy.
00:02:25.000And so nobody has a problem with Trump being buddy-buddies with Benjamin Netanyahu, who is a psychopathic maniac who shoots with precision medics who are trying to help people and nurses, and journalists, by the way.
00:02:40.000Well, he doesn't, but some is really true.
00:02:54.000And, you know, just experiencing what it's like.
00:02:57.000It's crazy that people that went through the Holocaust that realized the cost of dehumanizing an entire race of people now are capable, at least some of them are capable, of doing that to the Palestinians.
00:03:12.000So I wanted to hear, and I have friends who do, everyone's doing this, right?
00:03:16.000Everyone's getting caught up in this hysteria.
00:03:18.000That's why there's a word called hysteria, because it happens, and we're in one.
00:03:22.000And, you know, what I like is what Noam Chomsky said about this Russia hysteria that's happening.
00:03:27.000He said, if you care about effects on our pristine elections, which he said very sarcastically, he said, if you care about what's affecting our pristine elections, the Russiagate is the last place I would look.
00:03:39.000In the first place he would look, if you go read about foreign control or influence on our government, he said he would look to Israel.
00:04:03.000Putin came to America and addressed a joint session of Congress against the will of the president?
00:04:08.000So this idea that somehow because Putin is a bad guy, Trump shouldn't have a good friendship with him is BS. The guys who are really influencing our government here are Benjamin Netanyahu, Saudi Arabia.
00:04:19.000Trump opened eight businesses in Saudi Arabia during the election.
00:04:23.000No one gives a crap about any of that stuff because they're our friends.
00:04:27.000Saudi Arabia, by the way, just bombed a school.
00:05:06.000And so when I see a guy that I love, like Henry Rollins, saying stuff like, oh, Putin's this special kind of bad, I just quote back Chomsky.
00:05:14.000We have legit war criminals just one presidency away.
00:05:19.000Do you think he's a step removed from that, though?
00:05:22.000I mean, he'll assassinate journalists in his own country and criticize him.
00:05:26.000Right now we're trying to assassinate Julian Assange.
00:05:29.000Do you think we're trying to assassinate him?
00:05:50.000The fact that any human being would ever do that, and by the way, the way he died, that's some dark shit.
00:05:58.000They watched and they stabbed him in the asshole, and there's a video of them stabbing him in the asshole while he's standing there, just confused, not knowing what to do, and this guy's jamming a sword up his ass.
00:06:11.000The video of them capturing him is fascinating because it's a guy who has lived with an iron fist, controlled these people, been a brutal dictator, been a horrible monster of a human being.
00:06:23.000Now all of a sudden these rebels have captured him.
00:07:29.000Anyways, so it, you know, I just, and then I saw, I was driving to my pot store in Eagle Rock, and I saw this little black pup dog run across the street in front of our car, and there's this big median, like a grass median, and it was, and I go,
00:07:45.000stop, stop, and the cars hasn't started coming yet the other way, and I stop, so my wife stops, and I jump out, and I'm running, and And I see the cars coming, and I don't see the dog anymore.
00:07:55.000And then I see the dog next to the curb, and it's kind of like just going like that, and it just crushed me.
00:09:32.000I don't have a close friend who was actually in combat like that, no.
00:09:36.000I have a few close friends that have been in combat and when they start drinking and that's when, you know, inhibitions get loosened up and then stories start flowing and, you know, it's...
00:09:47.000Most people, it's not something people are designed to see, you know?
00:09:52.000Especially not when no one else is seeing it.
00:09:54.000The thing is, if we all lived in the Roman times and everybody was getting sorted up every day and people getting hit with arrows all the time, it's a normal part of life.
00:10:02.000People start accepting the fact that there's going to be loss.
00:10:05.000But there's something about living today where the majority of human beings live in this uber safe environment that's probably more safe than any people have ever lived ever.
00:10:14.000And just overall in general, like the modern Western civilization.
00:10:19.000But then you're going over to Afghanistan and you're dealing with bombings and schools and buses and sniper attacks and your buddy just lost a leg from an IED and that kind of shit just wears on a person.
00:10:54.000If you're not pro-war, you don't get on TV. If you're against the war, you get fired like Phil Donahue, like Ed Schultz, like Jesse Ventura, like Ashley Banfield.
00:11:33.000Ed Schultz was the one who said that he was told what to cover, what not to cover at MSNBC. He was told not to cover Bernie Sanders.
00:11:41.000He wanted to cover Bernie Sanders anyway.
00:11:42.000He said that the Hillary Clinton campaign and the head of NBC News, Andy Lack, were joined at the hip, and he tried to cover Bernie Sanders.
00:14:50.000We just got to get rid of these bad ones first.
00:14:52.000So that's why it comes back to when he was talking about how Putin is like, hey, I want to tell Trump, slow down, don't be friends with this guy.
00:14:58.000No, I want Trump to be friends with Putin because he's a nuclear power.
00:15:00.000I want Trump to be friends with anybody.
00:15:31.000So now he's a member of Veterans Intelligence Professionals for Sanity, VIPS. And they were invented or they were originally organized to debunk the weapons of mass destruction about Iraq.
00:15:43.000So they were intelligence professionals who knew what was happening, that we were being sold a bill of goods because the military-industrial complex wanted its war, right?
00:15:52.000And so they were like all the top guys, Ray McGovern, Bill Binney, and they created this organization to help debunk it.
00:16:36.000Just, you know, like about how they spy on us.
00:16:40.000Well, he was the one that first exposed this program that was essentially spying on every single email, every single voicemail, every single conversation that you have is being recorded.
00:16:49.000So William Binney invented a thing called ThinThread.
00:16:52.000So ThinThread was a data collection, so what he did is he hooked up every cell phone to every cell phone in the universe, and he did it.
00:17:02.000And it was hard to do, and everybody said you couldn't do it, he did it.
00:17:05.000And so he knew that metadata was more predictive than, say, if I tap your phone and listen to your actual phone conversation, I actually learned more by looking at a larger data set.
00:17:17.000And when contacts start happening, that means movement's happening, that means an attack is going to happen, that means more.
00:18:15.000So that's funny to hear him say, oh, somebody wrote a bad book about Putin and they ended up dead.
00:18:19.000What do you think we do in this country?
00:18:20.000Look what they did to Chelsea Manning.
00:18:22.000Look what we did to people who exposed war crimes inside of our country.
00:18:26.000Right now, they're trying to assassinate Julian Assange.
00:18:28.000They have him in basically solitary confinement.
00:18:30.000We literally did torture Chelsea Manning.
00:18:34.000And then, you know, Barack Obama used...
00:18:38.000He prosecuted lots of whistleblowing journalists using the, now I'm blanking on the word it's called, but Espionage Act.
00:18:46.000So this idea that, yeah, I'm sure Putin, maybe Putin didn't, maybe that woman who wrote that book about Putin has a lot of powerful enemies.
00:18:53.000Usually you do when you are that kind of a journalist where you're exposing the powerful.
00:18:58.000She probably didn't just expose Putin, so she probably exposed a lot of people.
00:19:01.000My point being is that, you know, now who's being naive gay?
00:19:06.000Well, I mean, she probably did expose a lot of people, but it's also very likely that Putin had her killed.
00:21:10.000I mean, I used to have a whole bit about it.
00:21:12.000I used to have a whole bit about, like, the only way to find out if someone...
00:21:16.000It was, like, from 2005. It was that the reason why they put George Bush in power is the only way to find out if someone is really stupid is to put an actual stupid guy in as president and find out if everybody freaks out.
00:22:57.000Journalists, the anti-Putin journalists in Russia will tell you that we're a bunch of numbskulls over here because we're inflating Putin's power.
00:23:44.000Because of our unwillingness to pass policy that protects our election integrity, I immediately think the Green Party votes tonight are Russian meddling.
00:23:53.000Why else would anyone cast a protest vote in Ohio when there's so much at stake?
00:24:11.000So what they're doing is essentially just bowing down to a rigged system, saying the system's rigged, so just vote for side B, even though side A and B are funded by the same people.
00:24:22.000I know, I know, but ideologically, side B is our side.
00:25:08.000But you would also think that after we've gotten through this past election where no one, literally no one in the mainstream media, other than maybe Fox News, predicted that Trump was going to win.
00:25:24.000Of probability of her winning, and they were displaying it on CNN. So they know that that's wrong.
00:25:28.000So why would someone think that a Green Party candidate has to be, or a Libertarian candidate, has to be a protest vote?
00:25:37.000Why can't it be a real vote at this point?
00:25:39.000When you're talking about the kind of social media outreach that is capable today, that's possible today, a person who has some really good points, and has a really...
00:25:49.000Look at this woman who won in New York, the 28-year-old girl is a Democratic Socialist.
00:25:55.000Look, if that doesn't tell you, like, this world is changing in a radical way and upstarts and people who are huge underdogs have the possibility of winning.
00:26:04.000It's not a protest vote, it's an actual vote.
00:26:07.000And if everybody who thinks this way votes towards that protest vote, guess what?
00:26:14.000So, I used to have a joke, or I would say, no, you can't vote for a third party candidate until a lot of people are already voting for a third party candidate.
00:26:27.000So you have to wait till a lot of people are already – people don't understand that inherent contradiction.
00:26:32.000And by the way, people – maybe if you spent a tenth of the energy trying to excite the half of the country that doesn't vote – As you do on trying to voter shame progressives or Green Party or environmentalists for not giving you their vote, which you do not fucking own!
00:26:49.000If you were to spend a tenth of the energy trying to excite people who don't participate to participate, instead of shaming the people who do participate, maybe you'd get somewhere.
00:26:58.000It's also this reluctance to admit that both sides are corrupt is this very strange thing that exists on people who operate within this narrow bandwidth.
00:27:07.000And this narrow bandwidth is whatever side you're on, whether it's you're on the right or the left, this is the side that you want to win.
00:27:13.000And it's the right side, and they're the good people, and the other side, even though our side does wrong, this side does worse.
00:27:19.000And they operate in this real narrow bandwidth.
00:27:22.000This is why she would think something that's Possibly negative for her side is a protest vote instead of being your actual feelings on the issue.
00:27:32.000And if these people really cared about voting integrity, wouldn't they want paper ballots?
00:27:37.000If they really cared about voter integrity, wouldn't they want rank choice voting?
00:28:13.000How does it work in terms of, like, say if you're going to vote for, you know, governor of Maine, you have a first choice, a second choice, and a third choice?
00:28:20.000Yeah, let's say there's three choices.
00:28:21.000So you get to say, well, let's say if your first choice was a Green Party candidate.
00:28:26.000You go, okay, that's my first choice, but my second choice would be the Democrat.
00:28:30.000And my third choice would be, you know, maybe nobody.
00:28:33.000And so does, like, second choice have different points?
00:28:35.000So if your first choice doesn't get enough votes to win, then your second choice goes, right?
00:28:53.000But the thing that kills me is that Bernie Sanders...
00:28:57.000His whole career was about being an independent.
00:29:00.000And I have videotapes of him saying, you know what kills me is I go out and I do these talks and I talk to people, they come up to me after these debates and they say, you know, I like what you said and you make the most sense, but I can't vote for you because you're never going to win.
00:30:23.000So we have to have a progressive coalition, but it has to happen outside.
00:30:27.000And who better to lead it but Bernie Sanders?
00:30:29.000So that's why it's hard to start a third party, because you need people who are already famous and popular in government.
00:30:36.000So if he left, and he got, say, Tulsi Gabbard and Nina Turner and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, and he got a bunch of people that are super popular on the left, we'd have a third party that would be polling at 10%, 15%.
00:30:48.000And now the Democrats would have to...
00:30:51.000Form a coalition instead of what they're doing now, which is ignoring progressives.
00:30:55.000After the Democrats cheated Bernie Sanders in the primary, Hillary Clinton didn't choose Bernie Sanders as her vice president, as an olive branch.
00:31:04.000She didn't choose Elizabeth Warren as an olive branch.
00:33:22.000The president sets our foreign policy.
00:33:24.000You're not supposed to contradict the fucking president.
00:33:26.000Whatever the president says goes, and I hate fucking saying this because I'm not a fucking fan of Donald Trump, but goddammit, do we all lose our head and think that the unelected spies run our foreign policy?
00:33:48.000Do you ever play that video I played almost weekly on my show of Robert Mueller lying about weapons of mass destruction to Congress to get us into the Iraq War?
00:34:20.000When you've got Halliburton, and you've got a guy who's really close to Halliburton, Dick Cheney, who used to be the CEO of Halliburton as the vice president.
00:35:54.000There's a loophole, though, that somebody...
00:35:56.000I saw an article today where people want nothing but less than total destruction.
00:36:01.000That Apple attacked Alex Jones and got rid of him, but they offered him a safety net in the form of the app that he has on their app store.
00:36:10.000So they were trying to take that down, too.
00:39:06.000Hey, what a better guy to protect us from fake news and tell us what's real news and what has integrity and what doesn't than a guy who made a couple billion dollars off a stolen idea from his friends.
00:39:18.000I mean, I think that's the perfect guy to safeguard.
00:39:29.000I know the story, though, was that he ripped people off, that it wasn't his idea, but he was the one who figured out a way to wrestle it free and, I don't know, get rich as fuck.
00:39:40.000Matt Tabby wrote an article on the 2nd, August 2nd, about this, and there's been a lot of people being deplatformed from Facebook that you don't know about.
00:40:05.000Matt Taibbi said, He says Facebook was helped in its efforts to wipe out these dangerous memes by the Atlantic Council on whose board you'll find confidence-inspiring names like Henry Kissinger,
00:40:34.000CIA Chief Michael Hayden, former acting CIA head Michael Morrell, and former Bush-era Homeland Security Chief Michael Chertoff.
00:40:42.000These people now have their hands on what is essentially a direct lever over nationwide news distribution.
00:40:48.000It's hard to state the potential mischief that lurks behind this union of internet platforms and would-be government censors.
00:40:57.000Can I just read you one more paragraph?
00:40:59.000Because this is exactly what we're talking about.
00:41:01.000He says, it is already a scandal that these de facto private media regulators have secret algorithmic processes that push down some news organizations in favor of others, which they do.
00:41:12.000Witness the complaints by outlets like Alternet, Truthdig, and others that big platforms have been de-emphasizing alternative sites in the name of combating fake news.
00:41:23.000When Facebook works with the government and wannabe star chamber organizations like the Atlantic Council to delete sites on national security grounds using secret methodology, it opens the door to nightmare possibilities that you'd only find in dystopian novels.
00:41:39.000So he goes on, and it's awesome what he says, but...
00:41:42.000We would have more comfort if they would...
00:41:46.000Like, one of the things that they're doing is they use that blanket term, hate speech.
00:41:50.000So, by the way, they're trying to put a bill, have you heard about this in Congress, to make police a protected class of people, so if you say shit about them, now it's considered hate speech.
00:43:40.000These are two public intellectuals discussing immigration and some of the problems that Europe is having right now.
00:43:46.000And you decided that that's hate speech.
00:43:47.000And you don't even know what they said.
00:43:49.000But the fact that she's so confidently described it in that way sort of...
00:43:53.000It sort of embodies what this problem is, is that they have these blanket terms they were able to throw on problems, and there's a million other fires to put out, so there's no more need to put any more consideration into this.
00:44:15.000But people go, oh, good for Alex Jones.
00:44:17.000He shouldn't be able to do that stuff, what he's doing.
00:44:19.000I'm like, do you not understand that this is the shot across the bow, that if they can do this to Alex Jones, that they're coming.
00:44:27.000I've already been trashed by the establishment media, by the Washington Post, by CNN. I've already been equated to pedophiles and those kind of things, and conspiracy theorists.
00:44:36.000I've been in articles with Alex Jones.
00:45:06.000If you're afraid of an idea, you don't shut down the idea.
00:45:09.000You expose the idea and you debunk it.
00:45:12.000But if you have a private platform and you own this and you start a business and your business is putting up YouTube videos and you decide that someone is putting up something that's hurtful and damaging and racist and it could be used to attack large groups of people and then you see like...
00:45:29.000All the craziness that's been connected to the alt-right movement and you associate that with this individual, do you have to keep that on your platform?
00:45:39.000I mean, there's no regulation right now.
00:45:41.000It's not like the public utilities or...
00:46:21.000I have that Google app on my phone, and every day I go to it in the morning when I'm taking a shit, and I go over like, what's crazy today?
00:47:02.000You hate us going to the other Facebook.
00:47:04.000So we have to recognize that the way we organize as a society that the town square is now owned by corporations that need to be regulated, right?
00:47:13.000Like before, when AT&T was the phone carrier for everybody, they couldn't go, I'm not going to give Alex Jones a phone service because I don't like the shit he's saying.
00:47:35.000What he's able to do through Infowars is, if you've got him on your platform, he's going to say some things and he's going to use your platform to say some things that You know, might not be true and might be crazy.
00:47:47.000So you got to decide, like, when does it become a problem?
00:47:50.000And I think where they drew the line was Sandy Hook.
00:48:20.000They need to be regulated and people need to be protected.
00:48:25.000And that's where we need to go because right now we're leaving it up to the whims of a billion.
00:48:30.000Like you say, hey, if Alex Jones really did some shit that was wrong and he should be taken off or his free speech should be abridged for it, do it.
00:48:37.000Let's see him go to a court or go to a thing.
00:49:30.000And people are saying, well, that's promoting the idea that it was a hoax.
00:49:35.000But I want to know if that's what he really said.
00:49:37.000See, I don't know if that's even the case, because I've heard it written that he promoted the idea that Sandy Hook was a conspiracy, but they're not quoting.
00:49:47.000When they say that, there's no quotes.
00:49:57.000But they keep attributing that to him without quotations.
00:50:00.000But again, if there was some kind of process, due process, we could go back and look at the transcript and we would know this.
00:50:06.000Not only that, if during this whole time where he's being tried, he was still able to be on YouTube and have his videos, he could show in his videos that he didn't say that.
00:50:16.000He could show what he actually said and tell you what he actually said and show clips.
00:50:22.000So now the narrative is completely in the hands of the mainstream media, 100%.
00:50:27.000So the Alex Jones narrative is being taken 100% out of his hands, and now it's in the mainstream media, and now there's Sandy Hook denier, conspiracy theorist, right-wing lunatic, all these different things, which may have been some of it.
00:52:16.000January 13, 2015. The lawsuit quotes Jones saying, Yeah, so Sandy Hook is a synthetic, completely fake with actors, in my view, manufactured...
00:55:22.000I think there's something about his struggle right now that's representative of the chaotic world that we live in, that he does have this giant voice, that he does have this giant following,
00:55:37.000and that his actual words come out in song like that and are so hysterical.
00:55:45.000They think that somehow or another, yanking this guy off all these platforms is going to, like, remove it.
00:55:51.000Do they understand the Streisand effect?
00:55:53.000Because this is just going to—there's going to be another way.
00:55:58.000Barbra Streisand had a house in Malibu, this giant-ass house, and they took pictures of it.
00:56:03.000And she went apeshit and complained to all these newspapers and complained to the police and everything that they're taking photos of her house and get the fuck out of here.
00:56:26.000Whereby an attempt to hide, remove, or censor a piece of information has the unintended consequence of publicizing the information more wildly usually facilitated by the internet.
00:58:10.000That this whole Infowars movement is, in some people's mind, a figurehead for this pro-Trump thing that they're trying to stop and silence?
00:59:15.000There's been a tactic of censors for centuries.
00:59:18.000They start with someone who is so utterly hated and marginalized that everyone is blinded by their hatred for the first censorship target that they cheer and forget that they're endorsing a principle and power that will then expand.
00:59:36.000Right now we're allowing the whim of billionaires in the middle of the night to decide who gets to be on these monopolistic platforms and who doesn't.
00:59:43.000If there was 10 YouTubes, no one would care.
00:59:49.000And they are monopolies, and that's the world we live in right now.
00:59:51.000And that's why they're doing whatever the government wants them to do, because they don't want the government to regulate them.
00:59:56.000That's why he went there and was sipping the water like that and trying to make eye contact and be nice, because he doesn't want them to regulate him.
01:00:03.000Julian Assange in 2010 gave a speech, which I saw recently on a plane, where he predicted this.
01:00:08.000He was like, the corporations are an extension of the government, and they will do the censorship in the future.
01:00:13.000And that's exactly what's happening right now.
01:00:15.000So do you think it's the government that's censoring Alex Jones?
01:00:18.000Because I would think that the government that's in power currently would want to keep Alex Jones in position because he's a supporter of Trump.
01:00:32.000Why is he allowing the CIA to do that?
01:00:34.000to go after Julian Assange and you know that just shows you how shitty the journalists are in America because not one of them are standing up for Julian Assange and they're all pretending that when Trump says mean things about Jim Acosta that somehow that's this unbelievable violation of our freedom of peace and our press and he's got you son of a bitch you know if you cared about freedom of the press you would say something about Julian Assange and no one is saying what lie has Julian Assange ever printed?
01:01:54.000Chuck Schumer went on Rachel Maddow's show like two years ago and right out in public said that Trump is making a mistake by crossing the intelligence community because when you mess with them, they have six ways to Sunday to mess with you back.
01:02:42.000First they spend all their life denying there is a deep state, and then Eugene Robinson writes an article begging the deep state to defy President Trump.
01:02:51.000Why are they so blinded by ideology that they don't see the consequences of this?
01:02:55.000There's unintended consequences, and here they are.
01:03:05.000So, again, that's why I warn all my friends about the Russiagate nonsense.
01:03:08.000Chomsky said, if you care about the people meddling in our election, Russia would be the last place I would look.
01:03:14.000The first place to look is concentrated capital.
01:03:17.000That's what dictates who are going to be our government.
01:03:20.000That's why we don't have the things the rest of the world has, because we have a—capital has captured our government, which is why we don't have Medicare for all, which is why we don't have free college, which is why we don't have an infrastructure plan, which is why we're an Great wars!
01:03:34.000Meanwhile, people, half the country's poor or low income, 63% of the country can't afford a thousand dollar emergency, and a quarter of all kids are in poverty.
01:03:41.000In the richest country in the world, Joe, what do you call a system that takes the richest country in the world and renders half of its population poor or low income?
01:03:55.000Now, if you were someone like Google, though, or who owns YouTube, or if you were iTunes, or any of these platforms that have Spotify, when you get an overwhelming volume of complaints about someone who's in the news right now,
01:04:11.000Because the fact that Alex Jones is being sued by the Sandy Hook parents, this is what started this all off.
01:06:20.000worried, especially if this does escalate.
01:06:26.000I understand that people who Believe that he's a Sandy Hook denier and they read those words.
01:06:33.000They don't want him to have a platform.
01:06:36.000They don't want him to be able to spread that hate.
01:06:38.000I understand that they would feel like, imagine being one of those parents and you lost your kid and you're seeing this guy on TV or on YouTube saying it's all fake.
01:09:54.000So when you say hate speech, and you also lump Douglas Murray having an intellectual conversation with Sam Harris about immigration, you lump that in.
01:10:34.000And then the newspaper said, now we're afraid to post the second half of the declaration because we'll get a second strike and they might pull our whole page.
01:11:37.000Joe, last time I was on your show, I said people are going to take what I'm saying right now and twist it, and that's exactly what they did to me last night.
01:12:13.000So I just want people to know, this is, again, I'm just as offended as everybody.
01:12:19.000I'm saying we need to have these things be public utilities for a lot of reasons.
01:12:23.000And that, you know, exactly what Matt Taibbi said, the endgame here is very clear, and they want to be able to censor people they want to be able to censor.
01:12:31.000And the first people they're going to come after is left-wing organizations.
01:12:34.000They're going to come after Black Lives Matter.
01:12:36.000They've already come after lefties like me, Joe.
01:12:38.000Why do you think they're going to come after Black Lives Matter?
01:13:19.000Yes, and while he was way more right about stuff in the past, Alex himself, and I've talked to him about this, says he drinks too much, and he's getting too crazy, and he needs to go on a diet and exercise and start getting his life in order, and he takes things too far sometimes, and he goes off the rails.
01:13:36.000He and I had a conversation, but he got mad at me for saying that I didn't think George Soros was a Nazi.
01:13:42.000And so he had this whole thing, ranted, and then we talked back and forth, and he apologized, and, you know, he said, sometimes I take things too far.
01:13:56.000I think he recognizes that sometimes he's just caught up in that cycle of outrage.
01:14:02.000That cycle of outrage, there's no room to step back and to sort of reset.
01:14:12.000It's just constant outrage, constantly under attack.
01:14:16.000And then there's these words that get thrown around that sort of lose their meaning, like globalists and shills and this sort of attitude that there's this cabal of evil that is trying to take over the world.
01:14:36.000Alex had this idea that they were going to try to kill off most people.
01:15:13.000That whole cycle of constant outrage and everything's a conspiracy and you get just whacked out and caught up in it.
01:15:24.000If you go back to Alex's earlier videos, I met Alex in 98, I believe.
01:15:31.000And back then, Alex was going after George W. Bush when George W. Bush was running for president.
01:15:38.000And he was saying that this guy is a puppet, and that he's a puppet of the CIA, and he supports genocide, and he was showing up at campaign rallies, and they were arresting him.
01:16:03.000He's like, no, these really rich people are getting together with heads of state and foreign dignitaries and they're dressing up like fucking druids and they have an effigy that they burn in front of the owl god Molech and people are like, he's crazy.
01:16:16.000Then he releases the video and like, oh my god, they really do do that.
01:16:22.000The World Trade Organization protests, in his video, 9-11, A Road to Tyranny.
01:16:28.000Right after 9-11, he releases this video that shows that the World Trade Organization protests were infiltrated by these agent provocateurs, who were most likely government agents with government agent boots on, by the way.
01:17:17.000And he's like, this is the consequences of this kind of censorship.
01:17:20.000And this is how they establish the censorship.
01:17:23.000They make it seem like your organization is violent and dangerous by introducing violent and dangerous elements in the form of undercover police officers or military.
01:17:33.000They smash windows, tip over newspaper stands and...
01:17:37.000Fucking create chaos so that the government has to come in because now we have a violent situation.
01:17:42.000So then the military comes in and arrests protesters and silences the protests so they don't look embarrassing in front of all these people from foreign countries that are coming here to the World Trade Organization.
01:18:05.000He didn't have the big moon face back then either, and he wasn't drinking as much, I don't think, and the screaming and the spitting.
01:18:11.000And, you know, you ask him, he'll say, well, I'm just overwhelmed by the sheer volume of corruption and all the shit that he sees every day.
01:18:19.000Look, do you remember he was crying when Trump bombed Syria?
01:18:23.000He was crying because he was crying that Trump fucked us.
01:18:48.000Let's cut the hyperbole out and let's look at what the facts are and where are we getting these facts and why do we think this is happening and why do you think this is fake?
01:18:55.000Because that sounds fucking crazy to me.
01:18:59.000If someone was there to do that, I think he probably would be stopped and would examine things and would balance out.
01:19:06.000One of the reasons why I wanted to have him on my podcast when I did is because I wanted people to see the Alex that I know.
01:19:11.000Because people are like, how could you know that guy?
01:19:13.000I'm like, look at how he is when I get him high and we get drunk and he's laughing about stuff and talking about interdimensional child molesters and all that.
01:19:21.000This is what I wanted everybody to see.
01:19:35.000But then you might call out a bunch of them that are fake, which not just negates the ones that you nailed, but negates everything you say.
01:19:43.000As soon as you're one of those guys that everything's a conspiracy and then dead kids aren't really dead and everyone's an actor and like everything you say that's good, they're gonna stop.
01:19:54.000My thing is that I focus on the ones that are important, right?
01:20:01.000I care about wars and the lies that are told about wars from the media, which the media pushes every war in my lifetime.
01:20:14.000I hear everything you're saying, and yeah, I didn't really know, I gotta say God, I didn't really know much about Alex Jones until I met him, you know, very famously at that incident.
01:20:25.000I didn't really, I never really watched him.
01:20:26.000I went home that night and watched some of his videos, which is when I found out some of them are really funny.
01:20:31.000And so, honest to God, I didn't really know much about him, and so I don't even know this stuff.
01:20:58.000It's all very confusing to me, and I don't think he should say those things.
01:21:04.000I don't think he should say lies about kids not being dead.
01:21:09.000The horrors of being a parent and your kid was shot in a school shooting, and then some guy is saying that they're 100% actors and fake and...
01:21:43.000Your son was murdered in one of the biggest school massacres ever, if not the biggest, right?
01:21:48.000And here's people running around emailing you and sending you tweets and Facebook messages that you're a fraud and that you work for the globalists and this is all just a plot to take our guns away.
01:23:21.000The idea that they think that the government would create a false flag, that by the way didn't do anything, Second Amendment's still in place, but that they would create a false flag and they would be willing to gun down, what are they, he killed like 50 plus people and shot like 500?
01:23:52.000Here's the thing, and I'm not the first person to make this point about guns, is people who are big, strong Second Amendment people say that, well, you know, because whenever I advocate for gun control, people say, oh, good, that only the government will have guns, which is not a bad argument, right?
01:24:09.000But the whole point of you keeping your guns to protect yourself from the government is that the government's going to take your rights away, so you need to have your guns to protect your rights.
01:24:18.000Well, the government already took your rights away.
01:24:33.000Minority Report was an interesting take on that, right?
01:24:35.000Like, one day technology to reach a point, you know, for them it was like through those little psychic dudes, that we're going to be able to predict future crime.
01:24:52.000They can arrest you for a conspiracy to commit a crime.
01:24:54.000Well, you don't even have to have a crime, right?
01:24:56.000You just have some emails talking shit.
01:24:58.000I mean, you could have a role-playing thing that you do with your wife where you talk about, you know, listen, you and I, we're Bonnie and Clyde, and we're going to take down the government and just fucking kick down your door in the middle of the night.
01:25:35.000Part-time stand-up comic, podcast host, and self-described pizza delivery guy who, in a strange twist of fate, recently found himself debating immigration policy with four Homeland Security agents in his home.
01:25:45.000The agents paid him an early morning visit last Sunday because of some jokes he tweeted about Cinco de Mayo.
01:26:19.000Well, they fired Nick DiPaolo for saying something very similar to that.
01:26:22.000And so I say about that, it's like, so Nick can't make a joke about someone going into a university, go, hey, the next school shooter, that was his joke, next school shooter, please go to the Berkeley and go to the teacher's lounge or something like that, right?
01:26:33.000Which everyone knows is obviously a joke.
01:26:40.000But you can go on those same radio shows and those same radio stations, and you can advocate for killing hundreds of thousands of people in another country that you don't know, and nobody says shit.
01:29:47.000I'm confused by this Alex Jones thing, because although I don't support a lot of the things that he said, I don't know why more people don't think that this could be a real problem, that they could just throw that hate speech blanket on things.
01:30:02.000And if I didn't have that experience of talking to that woman where she was describing the Douglas Murray-Sam Harris podcast, which doesn't have A single slur.
01:30:22.000I know how calmly and confidently she said it's hate speech.
01:30:27.000It was like, you know what it was like?
01:30:29.000Do you remember those old commercials where there was a guy, and he was eating with another guy, and he was saying that if you buy drugs, you support terrorism?
01:31:14.000I want to know the merit of your thoughts.
01:31:17.000I want to see where your thought process lies, that you could just throw this...
01:31:21.000Hate speech blanket on things, and it turns out there was no thought, and there was no consideration, there was no examination.
01:31:27.000She didn't know the content of the conversation.
01:31:29.000And her confidence in saying that it was hate speech was merely towing this company line, the same company line that got James Damore fired for the Google memo.
01:31:39.000You know, you talk to actual evolutionary biologists and people who understand psychology and people who are clinical psychologists.
01:31:48.000Will they talk to you about the real differences between men and women and what he actually said in these documents where he didn't make some sort of a quantitative Like a ruling that women are less valuable or that women are worth less money or that women are in somehow in any way shape or form inferior.
01:32:09.000He simply wrote about clinical studies that have shown tendencies to gravitate towards different professions and even had a page and a half in that about how there's ways that we could encourage more women to get into tech.
01:32:24.000So it was not negative in any way towards women.
01:32:27.000But I saw all these people describing it as hateful rhetoric and that it was reinforcing harmful gender stereotypes.
01:33:05.000But it doesn't mean that a person who becomes a nurse is any better than a person who becomes a carpenter, or a guy who becomes a surgeon is any better than someone who becomes a computer coder.
01:33:17.000What they're saying is there's reasons why people find different things interesting, and some of them might be the amount of testosterone they have in their system, the fact they have XY chromosomes, their genetic history, the history of their family and the culture that they grew up in.
01:33:34.000There's all these variables, and these variables are fascinating.
01:33:37.000But as soon as you say that these variables must even out at the end, we must have an equality of outcome based on gender and based on race, well, you're not even talking about people anymore.
01:33:49.000Now you're just talking about something that you need to say in order for you to keep your job, because you want to keep collecting ones and zeros, and you understand that there's this confusion as to why there's not more women that are leaders, why there's not more women that are in tech.
01:39:19.000We see him, he's in the shallow water, and he's going, no, if the boat pulls you, and he goes like this, and Danny looks at us, and he goes...
01:39:49.000They sent out a note, like a letter to everybody's house.
01:39:52.000If you gave money, they'd give you a letter.
01:39:55.000Was it Hear No Evil, the documentary, where there was one priest that Benedict, who became the Pope, moved, who went on to molest a hundred deaf kids?
01:40:13.000The process of moving people was always terrifying because they basically let them know, hey, you're not even going to be punished for this.
01:41:16.000I had friends that stayed, and I knew people that got touched.
01:41:22.000For people who are outside the Catholic faith, there's something that happened, and it probably happened when they told them they couldn't get married anymore.
01:41:31.000Because it used to be the Pope could get married, the Pope was allowed to have children, and the priests were allowed to be married, and priests were allowed to have children, but they were rock stars.
01:41:41.000You have to realize, like back in the Lutheran days, the days of Martin Luther, those guys were fucking everybody.
01:41:47.000They would get at you in that confession.
01:41:50.000You know, in the confession booth, tell me what you did, Dolores.
01:41:53.000And Dolores is out there just sucking dicks all day.
01:42:19.000And so what would happen is these rich motherfuckers who would buy their way into the church would die, and then all their money would go to their kid, their firstborn.
01:42:25.000And the church is like, we gotta get our hands on that money.
01:42:52.000So the guys that were the spokespersons for God would most likely be the ones who had the most influence in the community.
01:42:58.000I mean, there was a kid that we went to school with who was clearly gay and a nice guy.
01:43:04.000And he was going to become a priest when we were all in high school together.
01:43:08.000So as we were riding the bus going to high school, he was a couple years ahead of me, and he was leaving school, and he was already on his way.
01:43:17.000What is it, divinity school or seminary school?
01:43:56.000Yeah, you know, priests are still treated like rock stars in the Catholic Church today.
01:43:59.000Yeah, and he was, meanwhile, just another 16-year-old kid, just like us, you know?
01:44:05.000Maybe he was 17 at the time, and I think I was 15. But it was just, he wasn't any different than us, but we were calling him Father and stuff, and it was just so strange.
01:44:13.000I had two uncles that went to seminary.
01:44:26.000But when you went to my grandmother's house, as you walked up the steps into their living room, the two pictures she would have greeting you was a picture of both her sons in their priest outfit.
01:44:36.000So one was actually a priest and one had to go.
01:45:37.000That's called an agnostic, I think, right?
01:45:39.000I'm more agnostic than anything, but I don't even want to put a label on it.
01:45:42.000Why should I have to be on someone's camp?
01:45:45.000You know, my opinions are allowed to evolve, and I'm allowed to, and I've done a lot of drugs.
01:45:50.000I've seen some shit that I can't explain, you know?
01:45:53.000And psychedelics, man, they'll get you, whatever confidence you have that there's no God, you go through a DMT trip, and you come out on the other end, you're like, okay, maybe I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about.
01:46:58.000You don't believe this one thing that the establishment says you have to...
01:47:01.000There's only one narrative on this Syrian war, and if you go away from it, you're a bad person, and you're an apologist for Assad, and you're a Putin puppet and all...
01:47:12.000No, I just have a different view on the war, and it's based on facts and evidence, and I don't know if you know, but those people you're trusting now were the ones who continuously lied to us.
01:47:21.000So I've never lied to you about a war.
01:47:24.000You're upset because I'm skeptical of the people who constantly lie about war.
01:47:29.000And so that's just a weird thing, and it's like this...
01:47:31.000But I guess it's probably always been this way, Joe.
01:47:33.000Just now that I've experienced it because I'm in the public talking about this stuff, and it's just weird how people are so quick to go along with the establishment.
01:47:41.000Look at how the lefties are defending the intelligence community, wishing Robert Mueller a fucking happy birthday on Twitter like a bunch of idiots.
01:48:11.000And so the thing that I like about You know, what our show does, we're very consistent.
01:48:15.000I don't have one set of rules for people I like and another set of rules for people I oppose.
01:48:21.000And I really, really appreciate that about you.
01:48:23.000And that's one of the things that I said about you the first time we came on, is that you shoot straight no matter whether it's right or left.
01:48:28.000Whatever you see, you call it like you see it.
01:48:37.000I was listening to Sam Harris' podcast recently where his guest made a really important point saying that we're at this strange time in history where the news is different depending on what channel you watch.
01:48:51.000It used to be you had different people telling you the news.
01:51:03.000They took the weaseliest, weakest-looking liberal they could find, a guy who looks like he just sweats canola oil, and they put him on TV opposite like this.
01:51:15.000Well, you know, right-wingers, you know how Sean met him?
01:51:18.000Right-wingers used to hire Alan Combs to come perform at his parties, and he would just cower in the corner.
01:52:04.000You know, like Sean Hannity with his big fat white bread-eating face and that he was just the one who was telling the truth about the real problem and the Dems.
01:52:13.000It's so fascinating to see that video with Shepard Smith just clearly and very cleanly dissecting everything that Hannity says.
01:53:13.000But let me tell you about what Sean Hannity has been doing is that woman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez from New York who beat Joe Crowley and she's the big democratic socialist and everybody's got their bushing a knot over it because oh my god she's the corporate Democrats hate her the right wing she freaks out right because he's actually going to help people and Sean Hannity's been like reading out like look what she likes she wants to have us Medicare for all She wants to have free college.
01:55:19.000Who the fuck wants someone that you love to be shit out of luck where they can't go to a doctor because they can't afford it, and what if they die?
01:56:33.000And so that's the funny thing that Sean Hannity in the right wing, they think they can scare people by saying, look at all the stuff they're off.
01:56:40.000If the Democrats would have been off, Hillary Clinton would have been offering people something, maybe half the country who didn't vote would have came out and voted for her.
01:56:48.000Democrats have nothing to offer people, which is why they're a shitshow on a failed party, and they're wiped out at every level of government.
01:56:56.000And so if they take over, like in the Congress, there's a chance they might.
01:57:01.000It's just, again, they're the ones doing the bidding for Trump.
01:57:04.000They just handed him more money for defense than he even asked for.
01:57:10.000If Trump is a maniac, they like to say he's unhinged, he's a maniac, and he shouldn't have his finger on the button— Let's give him 80 billion more dollars for bombs.
01:58:26.000So they got rid of this special prosecutor after that because they realized that you'll find crimes on anybody if you put a special prosecutor on them.
01:58:48.000But goddammit, they got a special prosecutor for Trump.
01:58:50.000Not that they shouldn't, but we all know if you put a special prosecutor on anybody in Washington, they're going to find a lot of fucking crimes.
01:59:48.000You remember that bit that Bill Hicks used to do?
01:59:52.000Something along the lines of, I think that when you get elected, they bring you into a smoky room filled with globalists, and they show you an angle of the Kennedy assassination that you've never seen before.
02:01:14.000And they don't want us to examine the system that gave us Trump, and they don't want to examine how they could have...
02:01:19.000The most qualified person couldn't even beat fucking Donald Trump!
02:01:22.000That's how qualified you were, you son of a bitch!
02:01:25.000Well, they wanted Trump to win because they thought he'd be the easiest guy to beat in the election.
02:01:29.000So isn't it funny that nobody gets mad at them?
02:01:32.000Nobody's upset at Chris Hayes for having empty podiums of Trump for a whole show, which I saw, and then he wags his finger at Susan Sarandon.
02:01:39.000You're the son of a bitch who propped Trump up, and you didn't cover Bernie Sanders because you were fucking told not to, and we know that for a fact because of Ed Schultz, and now you're gonna pretend like you're a sanctimonious fucking prick?
02:01:51.000And you're gonna wag your finger at people with no money and no power?
02:01:53.000Meanwhile, you have the biggest microphone of anybody?
02:03:30.000And all these people are in bed with the corporations because they're bought, because that's the way our elections work.
02:03:35.000And that's why Hillary Clinton has a private position and a public position.
02:03:39.000And I'm not saying she's the only one, but she's the one that we know actually literally said that because of WikiLeaks, thank God.
02:03:45.000And again, I'll go back to Julian Assange.
02:03:47.000The fact that none of the reporters in the United States are sticking up for Julian Assange shows you that what they do is fucking wrestling, and they don't do real journalism.
02:03:56.000And what's really interesting about the Julian Assange thing is if you ask people what he did, because of reductionist thinking, because they've allowed this narrative to play forth, they'll say he's accused of sexual assault.
02:04:09.000And when you find out the actual facts of it, he had sex with a woman, consensual sex, and in the middle of the night he stuck it in without a condom.
02:04:17.000And they were calling it surprise sex, right?
02:05:07.000Journalistic integrity, freedom of speech, the right to publish.
02:05:09.000If you watch that movie, The Post, which was all about Daniel Ellsberg and the Pentagon Papers, which exposed that four administrations were lying to us about the Vietnam War.
02:05:33.000But how can you make that movie in this day and age and not mention Chelsea Manning, not mention Edward Snowden, and not go, you know, the Daniel Ellsbergs of today, we imprison them.
02:07:02.000I'll give you your own studio, your own crew, the whole deal.
02:07:05.000And I had to look at the guy and I said, you know, I've been waiting my whole career for someone to make me an offer like this and I just have to tell you no thanks.
02:08:22.000Back then, it wasn't a nice neighborhood, right?
02:08:24.000It was like a tougher neighborhood, but I got to live closer to the city, and all my comedian friends lived there because it was affordable.
02:08:29.000And now it's being gentrified and shit, and they've got this new theater, and it's...
02:08:32.000I mean, it's not new, but it's old, and they refurbished it.
02:08:34.000And it's 600 people, and I came out, and it was just like...
02:08:40.000My whole career, I tried to figure out how to get people to stand up at the end of my set.
02:08:44.000I don't want to do it in a shitty way.
02:08:46.000I want to manipulate them, but I want to have it come from my heart and inspire people and make them want to stand up to get a standing ovation.
02:08:53.000And now they stand up when I come out.
02:09:48.000About he would go on the road and he'd be the first comedian a club had ever seen and they didn't know he was, like the waitresses didn't know he was leaving the next week, shit like that.
02:10:55.000These progressives are just being babies.
02:10:58.000Isn't it funny progressives are being babies when they won't support warmongering corporatists, but centrist corporatists are being adults when they fuck up They're over-progressives.
02:12:55.000I don't know what happened, but I did the Chicago Theater many years ago, and I remember saying something about the podcast, and I said, how many of you guys listen to the podcast?
02:15:22.000It's like, when I would go see George Carlin, if you ever went and saw him live, there were 80-year-old hippies, and there were teenager kids, and there was everybody in between.
02:15:29.000And that's what it looks like at my shows, and it makes me so fucking happy.
02:16:12.000And these people that are super intelligent that think that if you vote one way, it's a protest vote and you shouldn't have a protest vote because you're throwing away your vote and you're going to let the right-wing people win, like you're missing everything.
02:16:27.000This whole thing is super complicated.
02:16:29.000It's very complicated, and the only way to see through the haze is to be honest.
02:16:34.000And you're one of the only people that's doing it.
02:16:36.000Well, I really appreciate you saying that, and I think that there's a lot of common ground, especially when it comes to getting corporations' fingers out of our government and ending wars.
02:16:44.000I think a lot of people agree on that, and that actually scares the establishment.