The Joe Rogan Experience - August 21, 2018


Joe Rogan Experience #1157 - Shooter Jennings


Episode Stats

Length

2 hours and 8 minutes

Words per Minute

194.88155

Word Count

25,091

Sentence Count

2,528

Misogynist Sentences

34

Hate Speech Sentences

28


Summary

In this episode, the boys talk about sunglasses, the latest craze in the music industry, and the new iPhone X. Also, we talk about a new Chinese company that got busted for using a tripod to take a photo of a woman in a photo and who busted them? Also, the guys talk about how women are getting plastic surgery to make them look like they don't have pores and how it's a good thing because it makes them more beautiful. Also, they talk about the new Apple Watch Series 4, the new Air Jordan 2, and how much money you should be spending on a new iPhone. We also talk about what it's like to be a black rapper in LA and how to deal with the pressure of being a rapper in a big city like LA. And of course, we have a special guest on the pod, Shooter Jennings, who is a friend of the show and a good friend of ours. Enjoy the episode and don't forget to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! Subscribe, Like, Share, and Subscribe to stay up to date with what s going on in the world of music, comedy, and what we are talking about on this episode of the pod! Music: by Shooter Jennings and the crew at (featuring: , , and ) & . is joined by special guest: ( ) and ( ). , ( ) and . ( ) is a special thanks to our good friend, ( ), ( . & ( ) . and ( ) ( ), and . . ( from of the band, has a new album, ) and ( ), ( ) & ( , ) ( . ) ( ) , ( ) , ! in the new album ( ) will be out soon! ( ... ) is out on the next episode, , & also this is out in the next EPISODE! , so stay tuned for the first full of good music we are coming out soon ( , we are ... ) & we will be releasing a new EPISODES of the new song, ), and we will have a new song we are working on the new music we will release it soon will be coming out in 2020! and we


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
00:00:01.000 Four, three, two, one.
00:00:06.000 Oh, and the sweet, sweet sound of amplified voices, and my man, Shooter Jennings.
00:00:12.000 Hey, man.
00:00:13.000 You look like you're supposed to wear sunglasses.
00:00:15.000 Some dudes wear sunglasses, and you're like, bitch, get those sunglasses off.
00:00:18.000 But you, you look like you're supposed to be wearing sunglasses.
00:00:22.000 There was a point in time when I moved here, I remember, well, for a while there were prescriptions, so I had an excuse for a long time, but I went back to contacts.
00:00:32.000 But there was a point in time when I remember turning to my friend, I was like 21, and I was like, I think I'm just going to keep him on all the time, and then it'll just be a thing.
00:00:41.000 And that way I can just, if I have to close my eyes, nobody will notice, or if I'm stoned, nobody will notice.
00:00:47.000 When people get super famous, like Jay-Z famous, they wear them inside everywhere, just so people don't catch a glimpse of their eyes and hand them a demo tape.
00:00:56.000 If you start out like a scrub wearing them, then it's weird if you take them off, you know?
00:01:01.000 Well, it's a different thing in the black community, too.
00:01:04.000 Like, a real cool black artist is just allowed.
00:01:07.000 They're just allowed.
00:01:08.000 They can just do it.
00:01:09.000 Right, right.
00:01:10.000 I mean, I'd be disappointed if, like, I saw Bob Dylan out somewhere and he wasn't wearing them.
00:01:14.000 Like, Kristofferson wears him all the time.
00:01:16.000 He has a good fade, too.
00:01:18.000 It's like black, brown, white, kind of.
00:01:20.000 Yeah, he fits right the fuck in.
00:01:22.000 Conor McGregor, he can wear them indoors.
00:01:24.000 Some dudes can wear them indoors.
00:01:25.000 If I wore them indoors, I'd be a douchebag.
00:01:28.000 Plus the kind I wear.
00:01:30.000 I wear, like, you know, fucking sport ones.
00:01:32.000 I have a couple pairs of those that look cool, like a cool-ass aviator type ones.
00:01:36.000 Yeah, these are Porsches.
00:01:37.000 My dad used to wear Porsches, and at one point I ran across their purple ones, and I was like, I bought like four pairs, and I keep breaking them, and it's my last one.
00:01:44.000 Those are very dope.
00:01:45.000 Those are Porsche design?
00:01:46.000 Yeah.
00:01:47.000 They make some dope shit.
00:01:48.000 They do.
00:01:48.000 I just used to think that they only made cars.
00:01:51.000 And then I found...
00:01:52.000 They make phones.
00:01:53.000 Did you know they make a phone?
00:01:54.000 Oh, yeah.
00:01:55.000 I saw it.
00:01:56.000 I've never...
00:01:57.000 Don't they make a...
00:01:58.000 Didn't they make a BlackBerry for a minute?
00:01:59.000 I think Porsche made a BlackBerry.
00:02:01.000 And I think they made another phone recently.
00:02:04.000 I would love to get one of those, but...
00:02:05.000 It's a weird little design shop they have.
00:02:08.000 It is.
00:02:08.000 They have a Huawei phone.
00:02:10.000 I'm saying it wrong, apparently.
00:02:11.000 People correct me.
00:02:12.000 Huawei.
00:02:13.000 What's that?
00:02:14.000 Huawei is a Chinese company that actually just got busted because of their newest advertisement.
00:02:19.000 It shows them taking selfies, but they aren't really taking selfies.
00:02:24.000 They use only a super high-end DSLR camera.
00:02:27.000 To take the photo, and they're passing it off as if these people are just holding it up, taking selfies.
00:02:33.000 It's on a fucking tripod, the whole deal.
00:02:36.000 Did you get a photo of that?
00:02:37.000 Look at that.
00:02:37.000 Look, look, look.
00:02:38.000 The guy's holding it up as if he's taking a selfie.
00:02:41.000 But meanwhile, there's some fucking...
00:02:43.000 Professional dude with a tripod.
00:02:46.000 But he's making it look like he took that picture.
00:02:48.000 Who busted them?
00:02:50.000 I think the woman in the photo busted them.
00:02:53.000 Because I think she took pictures or had someone take pictures of the photo shoot.
00:02:58.000 Yeah.
00:02:59.000 She got a look on her face like that, too.
00:03:00.000 Yeah, she's like, bitch, come on.
00:03:03.000 Huawei.
00:03:04.000 But meanwhile, here's what's stupid about that.
00:03:06.000 They don't have to do that.
00:03:07.000 Those goddamn things take amazing selfies.
00:03:09.000 It's a great phone.
00:03:10.000 Yeah.
00:03:11.000 Like the newest, latest smartphones, they take incredible selfies.
00:03:14.000 I know.
00:03:15.000 But people are never satisfied with the truth.
00:03:18.000 That's why people, gorgeous women, will put those fucking crazy cartoons, those selfie filters on, and they're beautiful, and then they'll turn themselves into a cartoon.
00:03:29.000 Like, you don't get it.
00:03:30.000 Like, you're supposed to have pores.
00:03:32.000 We don't mind pores.
00:03:34.000 I don't mind the wrinkles on your skin when you smile.
00:03:38.000 I don't mind, you know, the bubbles of saliva on your teeth, okay?
00:03:44.000 Man.
00:03:44.000 People are getting in this weird state of mind where they think there's a, you know, they said there's an epidemic of girls, like Instamodels, that are actually getting surgery to try to look like they look in their selfies.
00:03:55.000 Oh my god.
00:03:56.000 You know, speaking of Instamodels, I just listened to David Spade's audiobook, which I thought was great.
00:04:02.000 I guess what Polaroid guy in a snapchat world or whatever there's a lot of chapters that deal with the instant I don't even realize I didn't even realize this is the thing like I'm so out of the loop with with you go to Instagram do you do you like pay attention to it you just post pictures occasionally Man,
00:04:18.000 I'm not really good at paying attention to any of it.
00:04:22.000 Twitter, from day one, I kind of was in, and I'll go in and out, but it's hard for me to actually keep up and care about it.
00:04:29.000 Like, I hate posting pictures of myself, and my manager, Adam, who's here, he's always like, dude, if you're going to post something on Instagram, just make sure you're in it or something, because I'm always, like, taking pictures of other people.
00:04:39.000 You can't listen to that, dude.
00:04:40.000 Don't listen to your manager.
00:04:41.000 That's ridiculous.
00:04:42.000 I know.
00:04:42.000 You're not supposed to be in every picture you take.
00:04:44.000 That's crazy.
00:04:45.000 I know, but I'm...
00:04:46.000 I'm bad at it, and I'm very bad at caring about other people's pictures, too.
00:04:50.000 And it's like, my wife would be like, I just posted on Instagram, so I gotta go like it.
00:04:54.000 Oh, that's annoying.
00:04:56.000 Yeah, you gotta talk to her about that.
00:04:57.000 Nah, you know, her pictures are good.
00:05:00.000 I'm sure they're great, but god damn, do I have to double tap each and every one of them?
00:05:04.000 Can I just give you the nod?
00:05:05.000 Looks good.
00:05:06.000 I know.
00:05:06.000 Well, see, it's easy to throw that off, but see, my daughter is 10, now has an Instagram account, and if I'm not liking them, I feel horrible.
00:05:13.000 Oh, that's different.
00:05:14.000 My wife's already liking them, and I'm like, god damn it.
00:05:16.000 I think that's a lot of pressure for a kid, man.
00:05:19.000 Well, hers are all pictures of these LOL dolls that she's obsessed with anyway, and slime and things.
00:05:25.000 Yeah, slime is a new one, huh?
00:05:26.000 Yeah, it's crazy.
00:05:27.000 Who the fuck saw that coming?
00:05:28.000 By the way, fidget spinners out.
00:05:30.000 Yeah, slime in.
00:05:32.000 I mean, my son got so obsessed with fidget spinners, and my daughter, but really my son, to the point where they were spending some time in New York, and I'd be going up there, and we walked down the street, and every fucking vendor, every newsstand, every pretzel place had fidget spinners out.
00:05:48.000 And I'd have to buy it.
00:05:50.000 He'd be like, ooh, that one has a skull on it.
00:05:52.000 And I'd be like, okay, and it's like $10.
00:05:55.000 To spend just a break.
00:05:56.000 Probably cost like $0.15 to manufacture in Taiwan.
00:05:59.000 He was like an 18-year-old kid who came up with that, and he wanted to be an entrepreneur, and he made that.
00:06:03.000 Really?
00:06:03.000 And now he's like a billionaire.
00:06:05.000 How did he figure that out?
00:06:06.000 I want to talk to that dude.
00:06:08.000 You should have him on the show.
00:06:09.000 Don't give out the secret, but what the fuck is next?
00:06:13.000 I didn't see slime coming either.
00:06:15.000 My daughters have fucking gallons of glue and detergent.
00:06:22.000 Just yesterday, my daughter and son were making slime with it.
00:06:26.000 I was saying the same thing.
00:06:27.000 We had ectoplasm slime and Nickelodeon slime when I was a kid.
00:06:33.000 But it was not like this.
00:06:35.000 All of a sudden, it's like, I can't believe it.
00:06:38.000 And you watch the commercials for glue.
00:06:40.000 They have glow-in-the-dark glue, and they're showing a kid making slime with the glue.
00:06:44.000 Yeah, they let you know.
00:06:46.000 Talk about an unexpected boost for Elmers.
00:06:48.000 Yeah, they must have jumped.
00:06:49.000 They must have jumped big.
00:06:51.000 And Tide.
00:06:51.000 They came up.
00:06:52.000 Between Tide Pods and the slime, Tide's like fucking sitting pretty.
00:06:56.000 Was the Tide Pod real?
00:06:56.000 Were people really eating detergent?
00:06:58.000 Was that real?
00:06:59.000 I don't know.
00:06:59.000 I guess.
00:07:00.000 That seems like it would be unbelievably bad for your body, to eat a detergent pod.
00:07:05.000 I mean, we used to huff, like, Scotchgard when we were kids, or potpourri.
00:07:09.000 I mean, maybe it's the same kind of thing.
00:07:11.000 I used to smell markers.
00:07:12.000 I used to love the smell of, like, a good Sharpie, like a fat one.
00:07:16.000 Did anyone ever do the thing in school for you where they grab you and they pull you up and then you almost pass out and then they let you go?
00:07:23.000 We used to do that in elementary school.
00:07:25.000 Oh yeah, what was that?
00:07:26.000 How'd that work?
00:07:27.000 I think I would get behind you and pick you up and then hold you.
00:07:31.000 Shake you or some shit?
00:07:32.000 Yeah, until you can't basically breathe.
00:07:33.000 You're almost suffocating and then let you go and then you're like, hi, hi.
00:07:38.000 Hi.
00:07:39.000 Hmm.
00:07:40.000 Yeah.
00:07:41.000 I don't know.
00:07:42.000 The kids are always trying to...
00:07:43.000 Well, even monkeys, man.
00:07:45.000 I mean, animals try to change their state.
00:07:48.000 You know, they think it's just a natural thing.
00:07:50.000 The creatures try to change their state.
00:07:52.000 Change their state of consciousness.
00:07:54.000 Even little kids.
00:07:55.000 But I wonder about that slime stuff because...
00:07:58.000 I genuinely worry.
00:08:01.000 People, I don't think, have been dealing with large volumes of glue and detergent like that.
00:08:07.000 Borax, too.
00:08:08.000 That's another one.
00:08:08.000 Oh, yeah, borax.
00:08:09.000 Yeah, that's fucking toxic.
00:08:11.000 Your skin is an organ.
00:08:13.000 People don't realize that.
00:08:14.000 You don't think about that when you're spraying on all the different shit that people put on their bodies.
00:08:18.000 I think about that when I use sunscreen.
00:08:21.000 I'm like, what is this stuff?
00:08:22.000 You're blocking your pores with some goo.
00:08:25.000 Some good, but it's also your skin's absorbing it.
00:08:27.000 Like when you go in that isolation tank, that's one of the best ways to absorb magnesium because of the Epsom salts.
00:08:34.000 Like when you float around in the tank, the Epsom salts, you know, your body absorbs magnesium from it.
00:08:39.000 You're talking about like altered states?
00:08:41.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:08:42.000 Have you done that before?
00:08:43.000 No.
00:08:43.000 I still haven't done DMT. We had that conversation.
00:08:45.000 That's right.
00:08:46.000 Dude, we haven't had a conversation.
00:08:48.000 How the fuck have we only done one other podcast together?
00:08:50.000 That's ridiculous.
00:08:51.000 Hey, man.
00:08:52.000 We live in the same town.
00:08:53.000 I know.
00:08:54.000 I know.
00:08:54.000 We had a great dinner with Sturgill that time.
00:08:56.000 That was fun, man.
00:08:56.000 My mom.
00:08:57.000 Yeah, that was really fun.
00:08:58.000 I got the great Mrs. Rogan out.
00:09:00.000 Yeah, that's right.
00:09:01.000 It was fun.
00:09:01.000 We had a good time.
00:09:02.000 Yeah, Dantana's.
00:09:03.000 Dude, that place is the shit.
00:09:04.000 That place is like you go back in time.
00:09:06.000 That is the spot where I feel like I've made it in this town that they know me by name there and I can always get a spot at the bar.
00:09:12.000 I'm close.
00:09:13.000 They know me by name, but I don't always have a spot at the bar.
00:09:16.000 Yeah, I don't think anybody always gets a spot at the bar.
00:09:19.000 James Woods does, if he wants.
00:09:20.000 Oh, does he?
00:09:21.000 I bet.
00:09:21.000 He's got a giant dick, I hear.
00:09:23.000 Sweet, I bet.
00:09:24.000 Seems like it.
00:09:26.000 I finally met him there.
00:09:28.000 I had the balls to walk up to one of the recent times, and I was like, hey, man.
00:09:32.000 Yeah, you just got to walk up with a Hillary Clinton joke.
00:09:34.000 Right, little video drone.
00:09:37.000 He's a staunch Republican now.
00:09:39.000 Yeah, but he's funny.
00:09:42.000 I mean, regardless of what side you're on, he is just always on fire with that.
00:09:46.000 And he likes doing it just to aggravate people.
00:09:49.000 Yeah, well, it seems like he's done with the whole acting thing.
00:09:53.000 Yeah, he said he invested in Apple in the 80s and he's fine with being blacklisted.
00:09:57.000 Really?
00:09:58.000 Yeah.
00:09:58.000 That's what he said.
00:09:59.000 He made a tweet or something like that.
00:10:01.000 Oh, the investment in Apple.
00:10:03.000 Hmm.
00:10:04.000 Yeah.
00:10:05.000 Interesting.
00:10:06.000 Yeah.
00:10:07.000 How weird is that?
00:10:08.000 You could just say, I think this company's going to kick some ass.
00:10:10.000 Let me buy a piece.
00:10:11.000 Yeah.
00:10:12.000 I think you'll get a piece of a company.
00:10:13.000 And then they become the Apple.
00:10:15.000 Yeah.
00:10:15.000 Apple apparently has more than a trillion dollars now.
00:10:18.000 I know.
00:10:19.000 Isn't that insane?
00:10:20.000 That's kind of dangerous.
00:10:21.000 Anybody to have that kind of influence, though, with these phones and shit, it's like, that's pretty dangerous.
00:10:27.000 Yeah.
00:10:27.000 I kind of trust them with data, though.
00:10:30.000 I feel like- Even with their China deal?
00:10:32.000 Yeah.
00:10:33.000 Well, Google has a weird China deal, too.
00:10:35.000 Well, they also have secret servers in North Korea and shit, too.
00:10:39.000 Google does?
00:10:40.000 Yeah.
00:10:40.000 Well, I mean, they just have servers set up in all these other countries.
00:10:43.000 All of that is dangerous.
00:10:45.000 I don't trust any of them.
00:10:46.000 What are they doing in North Korea?
00:10:47.000 I don't know.
00:10:48.000 It's all dick pics.
00:10:49.000 Yeah, I mean...
00:10:50.000 Servers full of dick pics.
00:10:51.000 I think there's all kinds of networks that have been going on for years that are involved in shit.
00:10:56.000 I tell my friends, or my drummer specifically I talk to, but I was like, man, I think...
00:11:03.000 I'm not a rich guy.
00:11:05.000 But I think that there's a point of money that I would like to know the threshold in which you get past that, and then the Saudis, and then all these people start coming and wanting a part of you, and then you start selling your soul.
00:11:16.000 Whatever that is, if it's five million bucks, I'm just going to stay right there.
00:11:20.000 I don't want to get richer than that.
00:11:22.000 And once you have influence, I think it becomes a scary world.
00:11:26.000 I think there's a lot of concern.
00:11:28.000 Like, people wonder whether or not someone's been...
00:11:30.000 Like, I've been accused of being approached like that I'm a CIA asset or that I... Here's a big one.
00:11:36.000 I think that stuff really doesn't.
00:11:38.000 The flat earth.
00:11:38.000 Oh.
00:11:39.000 The flat earth people, they think that I've been approached to talk about the earth being round, to be a round earth shill.
00:11:46.000 Jamie started selling t-shirts.
00:11:47.000 The round earth shill?
00:11:48.000 Jamie's got round earth shill t-shirts that he sells at youngjamie.com.
00:11:52.000 I mean, around Earth shill is like saying that the reptilian people went to you to be a human shill.
00:12:00.000 Oh, someone told me that.
00:12:01.000 Someone told me that they believe that there's reptilians underneath the Earth and that they have carved tunnels.
00:12:05.000 Underneath the Earth?
00:12:06.000 They've carved tunnels through the ground with laser beams and they have like a network of tunnels they use.
00:12:11.000 They travel amongst us waiting for their time to expose themselves.
00:12:15.000 People believe, like, you see someone, like, say if you live in an apartment building, and you drive by a dude's house, he's got a fat house, you go, wow, that guy's got a fat house, I wonder who he knows.
00:12:24.000 I wonder if he's in with the mob, or maybe he's deep with the Democrats, or maybe he's the bankers, or who does he know?
00:12:32.000 Because you always think of someone being at a level where they sit you in a room, and they give you some communications that you're not supposed to expose to the rest of the world.
00:12:45.000 Right.
00:12:45.000 Well, I mean, there is, again, what I was saying about the threshold of money, there is a point, and you know it's there.
00:12:51.000 I mean, Google started with a couple dudes who were like, we got this idea.
00:12:56.000 Before that, there was a thing called Webcrawler.
00:12:58.000 That was kind of the first experience of me, of a search engine that I'd ever experienced.
00:13:04.000 Well, there was Netscape Navigator.
00:13:05.000 Wasn't one of those?
00:13:07.000 Netscape Navigator was one of the first browsers.
00:13:10.000 Yeah, there was a Mosaic and Netscape Navigator.
00:13:12.000 But there was a way to search.
00:13:14.000 That was Webcrawler.
00:13:15.000 Yahoo, Lycos.
00:13:15.000 Well, Yahoo came later.
00:13:17.000 Lycos, Yahoo came later.
00:13:19.000 But there was Webcrawler, then Yahoo, and Lycos, and then Google.
00:13:24.000 Remember Ask Jeeves?
00:13:25.000 Google took over.
00:13:26.000 Yeah, I couldn't believe Ask Jeeves is a real thing.
00:13:28.000 Ask.com is still there.
00:13:29.000 I think that's still there.
00:13:30.000 Yeah, it's still there.
00:13:31.000 But you've got to look.
00:13:34.000 Couple dudes in an office.
00:13:36.000 Hey, we got a web search.
00:13:37.000 And then all of a sudden, they've got...
00:13:40.000 I mean, Amazon has CIA contracts.
00:13:42.000 That's known because they use their servers to do things.
00:13:46.000 You got to look at some point...
00:13:47.000 Well, Amazon has like super, super secure servers.
00:13:50.000 But they've still been hacked.
00:13:52.000 They're as secure as anyone else is.
00:13:54.000 Yeah.
00:13:54.000 They just have...
00:13:55.000 Once you make that...
00:13:56.000 I think it's the...
00:13:57.000 Maybe it's...
00:13:58.000 500 million?
00:13:59.000 There's got to be a mark.
00:14:00.000 Yeah, there's a number.
00:14:01.000 In which people start approaching you and saying, hey man, you've got too much influence.
00:14:04.000 Would you like to join our group and we'll support you and you'll make a billion.
00:14:09.000 Ooh, yeah.
00:14:10.000 Take it to the next level.
00:14:12.000 I was in Italy.
00:14:13.000 I just got back.
00:14:14.000 And we took a boat from...
00:14:18.000 From the Amalfi Coast.
00:14:20.000 We took a boat from Amalfi to Capri, which is an island.
00:14:24.000 It's gorgeous, man.
00:14:26.000 But when you're there, you see the crazy yachts.
00:14:30.000 Like Steve Jobs has a yacht that he had built before he died.
00:14:33.000 And now his family owns it, I guess.
00:14:35.000 Leo DiCaprio and Bella Hadid and people like that.
00:14:37.000 His yacht looks like an Apple store.
00:14:41.000 It's the craziest thing.
00:14:42.000 I mean, we drove right by it.
00:14:44.000 Yachts are weird, too, because they're worth, like, a hundred million bucks, but you could basically, like, drive up and smack it.
00:14:48.000 Like, no one could stop it.
00:14:50.000 You know, it's weird.
00:14:52.000 I mean, that's how pirates work, right?
00:14:53.000 They could just hop on top.
00:14:55.000 They'd throw a grappling hook up, and they'd climb on top of your yacht.
00:14:58.000 But when we're driving by, he's got...
00:15:01.000 He's gonna smack it.
00:15:02.000 He's got a...
00:15:02.000 There it is.
00:15:03.000 That's it.
00:15:04.000 Wow!
00:15:05.000 Dude, it's a floating Apple store.
00:15:07.000 I don't want that.
00:15:07.000 I don't want to have to deal with that and the maintenance and everything.
00:15:10.000 I'm fine.
00:15:11.000 I'd rather just first class it and go on a trip and maybe rent that yacht if I had the money to do it.
00:15:19.000 Even renting that yacht would be like half a million dollars a week.
00:15:22.000 Ah, fuck that.
00:15:23.000 I'll just get a boat and go up to it and ride on it.
00:15:26.000 Yeah, see, the difference between the experience in a boat that big and an experience in a boat that's like a fraction of that size is not that different.
00:15:33.000 Like, that's pretty fucking awesome.
00:15:36.000 But ultimately, there you get a good impression of what it's like.
00:15:40.000 It doesn't really do it justice in an image because it's so modern.
00:15:46.000 Like, when you get near it, it's so strange looking.
00:15:50.000 Yeah, I mean, again, it'd be awesome to party on that for like a week, but then the rest of it would suck.
00:15:57.000 Look at that boat that just pulled right up.
00:15:59.000 Hey, man!
00:16:00.000 Yo, Steve, my fucking iPad's broke!
00:16:02.000 Dude, my fucking iPad just broke!
00:16:08.000 I mean, I don't know, man.
00:16:10.000 Wake up, Steve!
00:16:11.000 Did he ever ride it?
00:16:12.000 No, he shit the bed before he rode it.
00:16:15.000 You know what's really fascinating?
00:16:16.000 I read something about he died of pancreatic cancer.
00:16:20.000 And one of the things he did was he drank fruit juice every day.
00:16:24.000 And we used to think that fruit juice is really good for you, right?
00:16:26.000 You're drinking fruit.
00:16:27.000 Now they say, no, no, no.
00:16:28.000 Fruit is really good for you.
00:16:30.000 But drinking fruit juice is kind of an unnatural state.
00:16:33.000 There's no fiber in that.
00:16:34.000 So you're just drinking straight sugar.
00:16:36.000 And now they say that drinking like a glass of fresh squeezed orange juice has the same sugar as drinking a can of soda.
00:16:44.000 So your body doesn't differentiate much.
00:16:47.000 I mean, the chemicals in soda, though.
00:16:49.000 Right.
00:16:49.000 Chemicals are not good.
00:16:50.000 Right.
00:16:51.000 Some chemicals.
00:16:52.000 But some of them, they're innocuous.
00:16:55.000 I was reading something about Diet Coke.
00:16:59.000 Someone was saying, Diet Coke will give you brain cancer.
00:17:02.000 Now they're saying it prevents cancer.
00:17:04.000 What?
00:17:05.000 There was an article I read recently that was saying that they thought that diet colas actually helped.
00:17:11.000 They flipped their script on that.
00:17:13.000 Did they have a little fast talk at the end of it?
00:17:14.000 Sponsored by a diet coke company.
00:17:18.000 This stuff is sponsored by a diet coke.
00:17:20.000 Those fucking...
00:17:21.000 First of all, that fast talk shit should be illegal.
00:17:24.000 I don't know why that's not illegal.
00:17:26.000 Remember they used to do that at the end of those goddamn commercials?
00:17:28.000 They'd hire somebody who talks like a carnival barker.
00:17:31.000 Just do the whole commercial like that.
00:17:32.000 That'd be awesome, man.
00:17:34.000 Yeah, make it all ineffective.
00:17:36.000 Here, what is that?
00:17:38.000 Could Diet Coke help curb colon cancer's return?
00:17:41.000 What?
00:17:42.000 Why Diet Coke?
00:17:44.000 Who fucking...
00:17:45.000 See, new study shows that colon cancer...
00:17:47.000 Here's the problem, man.
00:17:49.000 Fucking studies, dude.
00:17:50.000 Studies are a problem.
00:17:51.000 Because you can get...
00:17:53.000 Like, there was a study posted...
00:17:56.000 Recently it was a Questionnaire that showed that people who eat higher carb diets live longer But it's it's basically a questionnaire that over 20 something years of like what you eat And then the people who died like there was all sorts of problems with it like they didn't exercise as much They were fatter than the people who ate more carbs and also you're asking people to remember what they ate Which is like very very ineffective and then the same comp the same place put out a study Really
00:18:27.000 recently that showed the exact opposite effect.
00:18:30.000 And so it's like, well, what the fuck?
00:18:32.000 If I'm just a regular guy who barely has time to read the paper, and I read a study every now and then, it's basically what you catch.
00:18:38.000 You know, you can catch some.
00:18:40.000 Second analysis found that about half of the benefit appeared to be due to people switching from regular to diet sodas.
00:18:46.000 Oh, so the colon cancer was really just, you stop drinking Coke.
00:18:51.000 Coke was giving you colon cancer, so now Diet Coke's like, Diet Coke prevents colon cancer!
00:18:55.000 But it's really, no, Coke gives you fucking colon cancer.
00:18:59.000 Right.
00:18:59.000 It's so hard to know.
00:19:00.000 It's so hard to know, man.
00:19:01.000 I try to keep up.
00:19:02.000 I cannot.
00:19:03.000 I try.
00:19:04.000 I know.
00:19:04.000 That's the problem with the internet and everything.
00:19:06.000 Back in the day when we just didn't know shit, it seems like things moved smoother.
00:19:10.000 Yeah, but you remember people thought all kinds of goofy shit.
00:19:13.000 They thought most of your diet should be bread.
00:19:15.000 Remember that food pyramid?
00:19:16.000 Marilyn Manson took his rib out just so he could suck his own dick.
00:19:19.000 No, but that was a rumor back in the day.
00:19:21.000 Did he?
00:19:21.000 No.
00:19:22.000 I met him.
00:19:23.000 He might actually do that.
00:19:25.000 Yeah, that was one.
00:19:26.000 Here's the granddaddy of all rumors.
00:19:29.000 Richard Gere and that gerbil up his ass.
00:19:30.000 And the gerbil up his ass.
00:19:32.000 Everybody knew that.
00:19:33.000 How is that possible?
00:19:34.000 The gerbil up your ass?
00:19:35.000 Oh, it's possible.
00:19:36.000 How?
00:19:37.000 My buddy Steve did his residency in Miami.
00:19:40.000 He's an ophthalmologist.
00:19:41.000 And he told me that they pulled all kinds of things out of dudes' butts.
00:19:45.000 You know those kind of thick light bulbs that look like a tree, like a Christmas tree?
00:19:52.000 Right.
00:19:54.000 Some dude shoved one of those up his asshole and it broke.
00:19:56.000 Oh.
00:19:56.000 Did you watch Who is America yesterday?
00:19:59.000 No, I haven't seen a new one.
00:20:01.000 I love that show, by the way.
00:20:03.000 There was a lot of talk about it, and I think it was great what he did.
00:20:07.000 I mean, all he did was set up people to show the ugly in people, if they had it.
00:20:13.000 But I did not see that episode.
00:20:15.000 He's a genius, man.
00:20:16.000 Man, a real quick story.
00:20:19.000 There's a band called Hellbound Glory that I've loved for years, and the lead singer, Leroy Virgil.
00:20:23.000 They live in Reno.
00:20:25.000 And so he took me to Reno on the—I'd been to Reno before, but he took me on the Hellbound Glory tour of Reno, which was him going to different bars and shit.
00:20:35.000 And he took me to this guy's house, and it was a friend of his lived down the street, and it was like their garage was open and a bunch of people hanging out playing vinyls.
00:20:43.000 And this dude and drinking, you know.
00:20:45.000 And at some point, this guy was like, hey, I gotta show you something.
00:20:48.000 And he reached into his ceiling light.
00:20:50.000 He had like one of these, but not with the clouds on it.
00:20:53.000 It was just a regular light you pull out.
00:20:55.000 And up in there, he had an x-ray that he pulled out.
00:21:00.000 And it was...
00:21:01.000 An x-ray of a woman's vagina with a flying V guitar neck, the headstock, in it.
00:21:08.000 It was an x-ray of that.
00:21:09.000 So it got stuck?
00:21:10.000 I mean, I don't know how.
00:21:12.000 I mean, with the fucking tuning pegs and everything, but it was a...
00:21:16.000 Yeah.
00:21:18.000 So, you know, what can you believe these days?
00:21:21.000 How about coming out?
00:21:21.000 Yeah, I mean, how could it going in?
00:21:24.000 But a woman's vagina is a remarkably flexible thing.
00:21:27.000 Oh, God.
00:21:28.000 They make babies.
00:21:29.000 Babies come out of their bodies.
00:21:32.000 Yeah, but I mean, that's a whole hormonal thing.
00:21:34.000 Their body sets up for nine months to let happen.
00:21:36.000 I mean, just sticking a guitar neck in there.
00:21:39.000 Maybe she really, really, really loves hair metal.
00:21:42.000 Yeah!
00:21:43.000 Maybe she's just a giant fan of Slayer.
00:21:45.000 Just wants that guitar in her body.
00:21:49.000 Woo!
00:21:50.000 But my friend Steve said they pulled all kinds of things out of people's bodies.
00:21:54.000 And he said he was in Miami.
00:21:57.000 And he said that it was during the cocaine days.
00:22:00.000 During the cocaine days, like they ended.
00:22:02.000 Oh yeah, that's over, bro.
00:22:04.000 That's like so 1980. But he was there during the 80s.
00:22:09.000 70s and the 80s.
00:22:10.000 When I met him...
00:22:13.000 Okay, I was in high school when I met him, so I think I was 15 or 16. Where'd you go to high school?
00:22:19.000 Newton South High in Newton, Massachusetts, a suburb of Boston.
00:22:24.000 How'd you meet him?
00:22:25.000 Taekwondo.
00:22:26.000 He was doing his residency for ophthalmology, and I was a young high school kid who was competing.
00:22:35.000 I was over there every day.
00:22:38.000 So if you came there, you saw me.
00:22:40.000 So he was doing his residency in Boston.
00:22:47.000 He was finishing up in Boston, but he had done some of his work before that in Miami, so this was...
00:22:53.000 I graduated in 85, so he was probably in Miami like 80, 81, somewhere around then.
00:22:58.000 He just got back.
00:22:59.000 He showed me all kinds of pictures, dude.
00:23:01.000 Wow.
00:23:02.000 This was back before the internet.
00:23:03.000 I got to see brains, people's brains hanging out.
00:23:06.000 He showed me some photos of just bullet holes.
00:23:08.000 Was he in there with a Polaroid or something taking pictures?
00:23:10.000 That's a good question.
00:23:11.000 I don't know what he used.
00:23:12.000 I don't remember.
00:23:14.000 Dubious there.
00:23:15.000 Well, people were dead.
00:23:17.000 You know, the brains, they were dead.
00:23:19.000 I didn't get to see, like, the light bulb up the asshole.
00:23:22.000 He didn't have...
00:23:23.000 Hey, man, stay still while you're screaming.
00:23:25.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:23:27.000 Distract him.
00:23:28.000 Yeah.
00:23:29.000 But he legitimately did have some photos of some atrocious things.
00:23:33.000 But he said it was just to go from being a medical school student to doing your residency in Miami and just seeing just crazy amounts of violence.
00:23:45.000 He said it was just insane.
00:23:47.000 Like, have you seen Cocaine Cowboys?
00:23:48.000 I have not.
00:23:49.000 I've heard about it.
00:23:50.000 Billy Corbin, who's been on the podcast before, made two of the most amazing documentaries ever.
00:23:56.000 That's about the Blow era of cocaine.
00:23:59.000 I mean, the movie Blow and all that.
00:24:01.000 George, what's his name?
00:24:02.000 George Hung or whatever.
00:24:03.000 Well, no, it was about Griselda, Griselda Blanco, who is this badass bitch from Colombia?
00:24:09.000 Was she from Colombia?
00:24:11.000 Bogota, yes.
00:24:12.000 Oh, that was the Miami shit, wasn't it?
00:24:14.000 That's right.
00:24:14.000 I think I saw part of that documentary, but I always wanted to watch it.
00:24:17.000 Oh.
00:24:17.000 Oh, it's so good.
00:24:18.000 He's just got two of them.
00:24:20.000 So if you do it, you gotta fucking get the double dosing.
00:24:23.000 What's the other one?
00:24:23.000 Cocaine Cowboys 2. Why fuck around with a crazy, hard-to-remember sequel name?
00:24:29.000 But Cocaine Cowboys 1 and 2, oh my god.
00:24:34.000 There was one year where everyone who graduated from the police academy either was murdered or went to jail.
00:24:42.000 Every single graduate was either killed because they had a part of the cocaine business or they went to jail for being corrupt.
00:24:51.000 Wow.
00:24:52.000 All of them.
00:24:53.000 Wow.
00:24:56.000 I don't know if this is true.
00:24:58.000 Please Google this.
00:24:59.000 There were, at least at the time, more banks per capita in Miami than anywhere else in the country because it was all used to launder cocaine money.
00:25:08.000 Wow.
00:25:09.000 Yeah, no bullshit, man.
00:25:10.000 See, again, man, you get that level of money and you start getting banks and stuff.
00:25:15.000 I'm just saying.
00:25:16.000 Those two documentaries, I can't say enough good things about them.
00:25:18.000 They're so good.
00:25:19.000 Sounds exhausting.
00:25:20.000 Not the documentaries, but the actual business of doing it.
00:25:23.000 Well, that's why you need coke.
00:25:24.000 You do coke while you're in the bed.
00:25:26.000 But you're not supposed to get high on your own supply, man.
00:25:27.000 That's the only way to keep up with the young kids.
00:25:30.000 Ask Rick Ross.
00:25:32.000 Which one?
00:25:33.000 The real one or the fake one?
00:25:34.000 The real one.
00:25:34.000 No, no, no.
00:25:35.000 The rapper one.
00:25:36.000 Freeway Ricky.
00:25:37.000 No, no, no.
00:25:37.000 Yeah, the real Rick Ross I know is the Freeway Ricky.
00:25:40.000 Yeah, that's the one you want to ask.
00:25:41.000 You don't want to ask the rapper.
00:25:42.000 The rapper was a prison guard.
00:25:45.000 Do you know that?
00:25:45.000 Really?
00:25:46.000 No.
00:25:46.000 Yes.
00:25:46.000 I love him, though.
00:25:49.000 Freeway Ricky, who's been on the show a couple times, sued to get his name back and to keep his dude from using his name because he was actually Rick Ross.
00:25:58.000 That's his actual fucking name.
00:25:59.000 I heard this story.
00:26:00.000 I didn't know he was on your show.
00:26:01.000 Dude, he's been on twice.
00:26:03.000 Rick Ross, Freeway Ricky, was the guy who was selling all the cocaine that paid for the Contras when the Contras are fighting the Sandinistas and Nicaragua and that whole Oliver North shit.
00:26:15.000 Of course.
00:26:15.000 Freeway Ricky was the one who was selling all the coke to these people.
00:26:19.000 He didn't know how he was getting these coke.
00:26:21.000 He didn't know he was actually getting it from people that were deep, deep state.
00:26:24.000 Deep state, motherfucker!
00:26:25.000 Dude, I'm telling you!
00:26:26.000 I'm telling you too, man!
00:26:27.000 Find the threshold.
00:26:29.000 And he learned how to read in jail.
00:26:31.000 It's a great story.
00:26:32.000 Ricky learned how to read in jail and then learned how to become a lawyer in jail and then realized they tried him for...
00:26:40.000 They hit him with three strikes, but they hit him with two charges at the same time, which is not how three strikes work.
00:26:47.000 So he went to jail for life and then got released...
00:26:51.000 For time served, because they tried him incorrectly.
00:26:55.000 Oh, right.
00:26:56.000 Because one of his strikes was in...
00:26:57.000 Exactly.
00:26:58.000 One of his strikes, they were at the same time.
00:27:00.000 You can't do that.
00:27:01.000 It has to be like, you go to jail, you come out, you go to jail again, you come out, you go to jail again, they go, all right, you're a criminal.
00:27:06.000 And then they keep you in jail.
00:27:07.000 That was the idea.
00:27:08.000 Which is fucked up, man.
00:27:10.000 Dude, what's it like sitting across the table from him?
00:27:12.000 He's a very nice guy.
00:27:13.000 Very smart guy.
00:27:14.000 He was a tennis player, man.
00:27:16.000 Played tennis in Compton.
00:27:18.000 Yeah.
00:27:18.000 Couldn't fucking read, man.
00:27:19.000 Couldn't read.
00:27:20.000 Played tennis in Compton and was just seeing all these people around him that were making crazy amounts of money.
00:27:25.000 Wow.
00:27:26.000 And is a real...
00:27:27.000 I love it.
00:27:48.000 I mean, the same reason why he learned how to be a lawyer while he was in prison.
00:27:51.000 He's a systematic, intelligent dude who just had a shit education.
00:27:56.000 Just grew up in a very bad, scary, dangerous environment and didn't even learn to read until he got to jail.
00:28:03.000 And there's a link in the history of the Iran contract.
00:28:05.000 Dude!
00:28:06.000 The link.
00:28:06.000 The cocaine link.
00:28:08.000 He was the guy that figured out how to sell all this shit.
00:28:10.000 Wow.
00:28:11.000 He was selling coke and didn't even know who he was selling it for.
00:28:15.000 Didn't know that the people he was selling it for, like the contacts that he had were directly supplied by the Oliver North people.
00:28:22.000 George Bush and yeah.
00:28:23.000 Wow.
00:28:24.000 Interesting, man.
00:28:25.000 Yeah, man.
00:28:25.000 That's wild.
00:28:26.000 I used to have an Oliver North for President t-shirt.
00:28:28.000 I wore it just to piss people off.
00:28:30.000 I didn't even know what it meant.
00:28:31.000 I was like 17 or some shit.
00:28:33.000 Oh, man, that's funny, dude.
00:28:36.000 Yeah, man.
00:28:37.000 The whole thing's crazy that this Rick Ross guy, the rapper, was actually a prison guard.
00:28:41.000 There's a photo of him with his fucking prison guard uniform on.
00:28:45.000 Well, I mean, I like him a lot.
00:28:47.000 Rick Ross, the rapper?
00:28:48.000 Yeah, I do.
00:28:48.000 I like that record with Devil Is A Lie on it.
00:28:51.000 What's that big song?
00:28:52.000 I don't know the big single.
00:28:53.000 I don't know.
00:28:54.000 There's not one big one that I've sang before.
00:28:57.000 What's the record with Devil Is A Lie on it?
00:28:59.000 That was a record that I loved.
00:29:01.000 What's his big hit?
00:29:02.000 Me and Manson hang out a lot, and we listen to Rick Ross all the time.
00:29:05.000 Really?
00:29:06.000 Yeah.
00:29:07.000 You guys get together, do coke, listen to Rick Ross?
00:29:10.000 I mean, you know, if the night's right.
00:29:15.000 No, but like, yeah, like, I like the Rick Ross guy.
00:29:18.000 Manson was going to come in, but he wouldn't do it on camera.
00:29:20.000 It was weird.
00:29:22.000 Like, he wouldn't do it after...
00:29:23.000 He wanted to do it...
00:29:24.000 I bet he'll do it.
00:29:24.000 ...at a certain time of night.
00:29:25.000 But here's the thing, man.
00:29:27.000 Some of that shit is publicists.
00:29:28.000 Because I'll tell you, the same thing happened with Liz Phair, who I'm a giant fan of.
00:29:32.000 100% publicists.
00:29:33.000 I've been a fan of Liz Phair forever.
00:29:35.000 Me too.
00:29:36.000 And Exile and Guyville was a fucking fantastic record.
00:29:38.000 I fucking love Rich.
00:29:39.000 I bought that record and Evil Empire at the same time at the record store in Nashville, Tennessee.
00:29:43.000 The Rage Against the Machine and Exile and Guyville.
00:29:45.000 Oh, wow.
00:29:45.000 Totally.
00:29:45.000 My wife, also Misty, who we went here with, who was listening, she loved Liz Pharah too at the time.
00:29:51.000 She came and we got high together.
00:29:53.000 She's like, you can get high here?
00:29:55.000 I'm like, yeah, I don't have a boss.
00:29:56.000 Alex Jones got high as fuck on here.
00:29:57.000 High as fuck.
00:29:58.000 That was fucking awesome.
00:29:59.000 He's trying to come back on and I just don't know if I could do it.
00:30:01.000 Oh, come on.
00:30:02.000 Let him come on.
00:30:03.000 They're fucking shutting him down.
00:30:04.000 They are shutting him down, but the problem is...
00:30:07.000 He's still on trial.
00:30:08.000 This whole trial that's going on with Sandy Hook.
00:30:12.000 I know.
00:30:12.000 Like, all that shit has to be resolved first.
00:30:14.000 But it doesn't make sense.
00:30:15.000 Like, Bill Maher, respect to Bill Maher.
00:30:17.000 I love respect to him for saying he gets to speak, too.
00:30:20.000 Yeah, he was on his show, and people were clapping and cheering that he was pulled off of these networks and pulled off of everything.
00:30:26.000 He's like, look, this guy said crazy lies about me.
00:30:29.000 This is what Bill Maher said.
00:30:30.000 He said, the guy said crazy lies about me.
00:30:32.000 He goes, but he still gets to talk.
00:30:34.000 Like, this is what America's about.
00:30:35.000 Right.
00:30:35.000 Free speech means all speech.
00:30:37.000 But see, here's what I don't understand.
00:30:40.000 Alex had me on many times, and he supported my record Black Ribbons when it came out.
00:30:44.000 Did he really?
00:30:44.000 Yeah, he did.
00:30:44.000 You've been on the Alex Jones show many times?
00:30:46.000 I've been on it three times.
00:30:48.000 Were you ever sober?
00:30:49.000 Yeah, every time.
00:30:50.000 Really?
00:30:50.000 You've never been on a show sober?
00:30:52.000 It was never a situation...
00:30:54.000 Well, the first time I was...
00:30:55.000 We had the Black Ribbons record that I did that has Stephen King on it and stuff.
00:30:59.000 So when that record came out, nobody would support the record.
00:31:02.000 So Alex Jones...
00:31:03.000 Stephen King's on your record?
00:31:04.000 Yeah, an older record from way back.
00:31:07.000 What did he do?
00:31:07.000 A voiceover show?
00:31:08.000 He plays a DJ, a radio talk show host that comes in and out of the record.
00:31:14.000 That's Stephen King?
00:31:15.000 Yeah.
00:31:16.000 That's Stephen King.
00:31:17.000 So when I did that record, Alex Jones was the only person that would support the record.
00:31:22.000 He debuted the whole record on his show and then it was on for two hours by phone.
00:31:28.000 And then I went in and was on his show in person about just the music business.
00:31:34.000 That's all we were talking about and kind of how things were.
00:31:37.000 And then later I was on for Bitcoin discussion, kind of.
00:31:43.000 I think?
00:31:46.000 I think?
00:31:57.000 The situation is, like, so volatile that, like, they're gonna, you know, the Sandy Hook thing.
00:32:04.000 All right, so, like, they definitely caught fucking Anderson Cooper having the green screen.
00:32:09.000 It's probably because they had another person there talking to the mom.
00:32:13.000 Wait, what happened?
00:32:15.000 There's a video of Anderson Cooper interviewing one of the moms from Sandy Hook.
00:32:19.000 And he leans a little too far forward and his nose disappears.
00:32:23.000 And it's probably because they had a stand-in reporter talking to the mom.
00:32:28.000 What?
00:32:29.000 And Anderson Cooper was then put in via whatever green screen.
00:32:36.000 I need to see this.
00:32:37.000 It is there.
00:32:38.000 I know this is where we're propelling.
00:32:40.000 But my point is, Sandy Hook, I remember where I was when I heard about Sandy Hook.
00:32:45.000 And it was horrific.
00:32:46.000 And I don't believe for a second that it's all fake or anything like that.
00:32:50.000 But Alex's thing has always been that.
00:32:53.000 I remember watching him go to Bohemian Grove.
00:32:56.000 And when we did the fucking record, this is back when nobody was paying attention to him, just a certain small group.
00:33:02.000 But I remember we did the Black Ribbons record and we took a clip of the laughing.
00:33:06.000 He snuck into Bohemian Grove and filmed the ceremony.
00:33:10.000 And there's like a scene where they...
00:33:12.000 Not a scene.
00:33:13.000 I guess scene in his film.
00:33:14.000 But there's a part of that where they're...
00:33:17.000 Doing the ceremony and they have this like, it's like Disneyland when you go watch.
00:33:21.000 Moloch the owl god.
00:33:22.000 Yeah, but it's like, it's done in a way where it's like Disneyland when you watch like the fairies fly around the castle.
00:33:29.000 Like there was a whole thing where there was like a laugh that happens at the end of the Moloch thing or whatever.
00:33:36.000 The big owl and the funeral party.
00:33:38.000 The guys dressed like druids.
00:33:40.000 Right, so I used a part of that, but I remember watching that documentary, and his deal has always been so over the top, where you go, he's like, where are the...
00:33:49.000 He'd go to the local people near Bohemian Grove, he's like, we're looking for where the Satanists go to go do that thing.
00:33:55.000 And it's obviously, at this point, it's not like people who are knowingly Satanists, it's like really old, fat, rich guys that go there, and there's probably hookers and all kinds of shit, because that's what happens at big...
00:34:07.000 Rich things.
00:34:08.000 Especially in the 90s.
00:34:09.000 You can get away with it.
00:34:10.000 Right.
00:34:10.000 And so now with all this and they're crucifying him, especially the Megyn Kelly thing, and I just feel bad for him.
00:34:18.000 What do you mean especially the Megyn Kelly thing?
00:34:20.000 Because that was clearly a hit piece with Alex because she buddied up to him and then focused that piece on the Sandy Hook thing.
00:34:29.000 They had their talk.
00:34:31.000 In her defense, how could she not?
00:34:34.000 Of course.
00:34:35.000 She's got it.
00:34:36.000 If you're going to interview Alex Jones.
00:34:38.000 If I was going to come...
00:34:39.000 But if I came here with the intention of just talking to you, and then all of a sudden you were like, hey, on this day, on this thing, when you did this thing, you focused on this one thing.
00:34:49.000 I would be like, oh, man, like...
00:34:51.000 This is a hit piece.
00:34:52.000 Yeah, but you're a musician, and this is what he does.
00:34:56.000 I know.
00:34:56.000 Alex is my friend.
00:34:57.000 He's been my friend since 1999. I get more shit from being friends with Alex Jones than anything else in my life.
00:35:04.000 Because Alex Jones...
00:35:05.000 You know what?
00:35:06.000 I'm just saying.
00:35:07.000 I'm sure I'll get hit for this, but the point is...
00:35:10.000 Check your Twitter.
00:35:11.000 I'm ready for it.
00:35:13.000 You know what?
00:35:14.000 I don't have time to check it.
00:35:15.000 Maybe next year.
00:35:16.000 But like...
00:35:17.000 But the reality is, I just think that, and I'm not even here from the side of the political point of view.
00:35:24.000 Is this it?
00:35:25.000 Let's watch this video.
00:35:26.000 This is the video.
00:35:27.000 It says, HD quality, Anderson Cooper's disappearing nose, Greenstein clip, debunked.
00:35:32.000 Do you see that?
00:35:33.000 Hold on.
00:35:34.000 Do you see what it says?
00:35:34.000 It says debunked.
00:35:36.000 Yeah, this explains what happens.
00:35:38.000 I think they had another person there.
00:35:40.000 Hold on, let him talk.
00:35:40.000 There's a bad quality video right here.
00:35:42.000 It'll play about three seconds in.
00:35:44.000 There's a weird part on his nose that happens, but...
00:35:47.000 To say it's a green screen, I would disagree.
00:35:50.000 Well, the same people that are looking for conspiracies and everything, they used this to say that the space station didn't exist.
00:35:55.000 Right, but...
00:35:56.000 Hold on.
00:35:56.000 It's like right around right there.
00:35:58.000 Hold on.
00:35:58.000 And you can't even really see it.
00:36:00.000 Something really happens to his nose super quick that looks like it was just like a digital glitch.
00:36:05.000 That's it?
00:36:06.000 No, that's not it.
00:36:08.000 That's not the piece.
00:36:10.000 I couldn't find it anywhere else.
00:36:10.000 Have you seen the other piece?
00:36:12.000 Yeah, I mean, he leans forward his nose.
00:36:13.000 Look, here's what I think.
00:36:15.000 I think that they had a stand-in because he couldn't be there.
00:36:17.000 But hold on.
00:36:18.000 You might be wrong, right?
00:36:19.000 I could be wrong.
00:36:20.000 We're talking about several years ago.
00:36:22.000 You might have a fucked up memory of this.
00:36:24.000 Let's try to find the video.
00:36:25.000 Well, they said he was there all week shooting from the exact same location.
00:36:28.000 Okay.
00:36:28.000 Maybe he was.
00:36:29.000 Maybe I'm wrong.
00:36:30.000 They got you.
00:36:31.000 They got to you, Shooter Jennings.
00:36:33.000 They didn't get to me.
00:36:34.000 The point is, I would say the same thing if I saw it.
00:36:37.000 When you make more than $100,000 a year, a dude knocks on your door and starts talking to you about conspiracy.
00:36:41.000 $100,000?
00:36:42.000 No way.
00:36:44.000 Well, if you're making $34,000 a year, you look at people that make $100,000 like, damn, I could pay all my fucking bills.
00:36:50.000 How do you get to that $100,000 level?
00:36:52.000 Well, you've got to sell out, son.
00:36:54.000 That's how people look at it, man.
00:36:56.000 But there is a threshold.
00:36:57.000 There is a threshold.
00:36:58.000 I remember when I was broke, I had a Suburban.
00:37:00.000 I wasn't broke, but I was doing alright.
00:37:03.000 But I had a Suburban, and some guy and I got into a fucking road rage situation on the highway.
00:37:07.000 And he goes, you fucking rich asshole!
00:37:09.000 I go, rich!
00:37:11.000 I'm like, I'm driving a fucking Suburban, man.
00:37:15.000 Like, what is rich to you?
00:37:17.000 Rich is driving a Suburban?
00:37:19.000 Like, what the fuck, man?
00:37:22.000 I already had the rich thing, because people thought that I was rich because of my dad, which I never really was.
00:37:28.000 I mean, he was supportive of me, but once I got here, I was kind of on my own, and I liked that.
00:37:32.000 But then once I talk about Bitcoin with you like fucking five years ago or whenever it was I was here three years ago, and everybody's like, oh, you got to be rich now because of that.
00:37:40.000 I'm like, fucking not rich.
00:37:42.000 From Bitcoin?
00:37:43.000 Yeah, but I mean, look.
00:37:44.000 What's up Bitcoin up to?
00:37:45.000 Like seven grand now?
00:37:46.000 Yeah, it went up to 19 for a second.
00:37:48.000 It goes down.
00:37:48.000 Keep going down.
00:37:49.000 It hadn't dropped very much below six grand.
00:37:52.000 But I mean, when I was here with you, it was like less than a grand.
00:37:56.000 But, you know, what I'm trying to say about this is not like I'm not validating this Anderson Cooper thing.
00:38:04.000 But that dude has always been fishing for things like that.
00:38:07.000 And it's always been his gig.
00:38:09.000 And it's been his gig from Columbine.
00:38:12.000 It's been his gig from all of this.
00:38:13.000 And I understand the passion and the emotion involved.
00:38:17.000 With the children that died in Sandy Hook.
00:38:19.000 And I have no...
00:38:20.000 I'm not defending him on that deal.
00:38:22.000 But at the same time, that's always been this guy's gig.
00:38:25.000 I feel like that is where he legitimately fucked up.
00:38:28.000 I don't think he's a...
00:38:30.000 If you take away...
00:38:31.000 I gotta defend him.
00:38:32.000 I just gotta say, hold on a second.
00:38:34.000 It's okay for him to fucking fuck up.
00:38:35.000 Yeah, but this is a silly fuck up.
00:38:37.000 He's saying that for sure it was a fake.
00:38:39.000 But did he say for sure it's a fake?
00:38:41.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, he did.
00:38:42.000 People sent me the clip.
00:38:43.000 They sent me the clip of him saying that it was 100% fake.
00:38:46.000 He thought it was fake, so he said it.
00:38:49.000 He thought it was fake.
00:38:50.000 Yeah, he thought it was a false flag, so he said it.
00:38:54.000 But that's part of the conspiratorial thinking that's a real problem.
00:38:59.000 It's like saying you know.
00:39:01.000 He said some shit about me.
00:39:02.000 He said some shit about me that's 100% not true.
00:39:06.000 Pre or post your interview with him?
00:39:08.000 I don't remember.
00:39:10.000 I think it was Post.
00:39:11.000 It was Post.
00:39:12.000 He said that the government threatened my family to stop talking about conspiracy theories.
00:39:16.000 No, no.
00:39:17.000 Nobody threatened my family.
00:39:19.000 No one.
00:39:19.000 Zero.
00:39:20.000 Never happened.
00:39:21.000 Did not happen.
00:39:21.000 It is fake.
00:39:23.000 It is a lie.
00:39:24.000 Someone told it to him, I guess, or he says someone told it to him.
00:39:28.000 It didn't happen.
00:39:30.000 So, that's me.
00:39:33.000 I understand.
00:39:33.000 But do you understand how frustrating that is?
00:39:36.000 This is a minor thing.
00:39:37.000 Him lying.
00:39:39.000 Not lying.
00:39:40.000 Okay.
00:39:41.000 He said someone told him.
00:39:42.000 I believe he's telling the truth.
00:39:45.000 But it's not true.
00:39:46.000 He could have fucking called me.
00:39:48.000 He's got my number, man.
00:39:49.000 Call me.
00:39:50.000 So he didn't even bother calling me.
00:39:51.000 Joe, I'm about to go live from Austin, Texas.
00:39:54.000 I need to know, did someone threaten your family to stop talking about the moon landing and Bigfoot?
00:39:59.000 Sturge will say you had that down.
00:40:00.000 Do you fucking imagine they're going to threaten you?
00:40:03.000 You've got to stop talking about Bigfoot, man.
00:40:06.000 No, I did a show.
00:40:08.000 This is well documented.
00:40:10.000 I've talked about it a hundred times on the podcast.
00:40:12.000 I did a show called Joe Rogan Questions Everything.
00:40:15.000 And during that show, over a period of six months, I fucking questioned a lot of shit, legitimately.
00:40:20.000 But I did it with researchers.
00:40:22.000 We had a staff.
00:40:24.000 We had producers.
00:40:26.000 We went and we actually went to...
00:40:31.000 These places where these people are claiming to see UFOs.
00:40:34.000 We went to these places where people are claiming to be able to...
00:40:39.000 What is that shit they do?
00:40:40.000 Remote viewing.
00:40:41.000 Remote viewing.
00:40:42.000 Oh, yeah.
00:40:42.000 We talked to those guys.
00:40:43.000 That's a great movie.
00:40:44.000 We talked to all these people.
00:40:46.000 And I found a clear thread through all of it that I documented in my 2014 Comedy Central special.
00:40:53.000 Where I said, here's what you don't find when you go looking for Bigfoot.
00:40:57.000 Black people.
00:40:58.000 What you do find is unfuckable white dudes.
00:41:02.000 You are more likely to find Bigfoot than you are black people out looking for Bigfoot.
00:41:08.000 Also alien abductions probably could be the same thing.
00:41:10.000 It's dudes who can't get laid and they go looking for hidden mysteries.
00:41:13.000 This is a real big part of it.
00:41:15.000 I know, I know.
00:41:16.000 But my point is, from doing that show, it soured me off conspiracy theories.
00:41:21.000 Conspiracy theories were fun for me.
00:41:23.000 And me, and especially Eddie Bravo, me and Eddie Bravo would get high, and we'd watch documentaries on flying rods, and all these UFO documentaries, and all the fucking Zachariah Sitchin shit.
00:41:35.000 Oh, I love it.
00:41:35.000 Oh, I love that stuff, man.
00:41:37.000 I love that stuff, but here's the thing.
00:41:38.000 My dad and I used to watch Chariots of the Gods all the time together.
00:41:41.000 It all falls apart under scrutiny.
00:41:43.000 All of it.
00:41:44.000 All of it does.
00:41:45.000 All of it does.
00:41:45.000 It's fun, but it falls apart if you're being a serious person, and if you're really being honest about what you actually know.
00:41:51.000 This is the problem.
00:41:53.000 It's like the same, and the parallel is like, comparing to Alex Jones saying that my family's threatened is the same thing.
00:41:59.000 My family's never threatened.
00:42:00.000 No one ever threatened me.
00:42:01.000 So, but he's saying this on the radio.
00:42:03.000 Why is he saying it?
00:42:04.000 Because someone told him, and maybe he believes it, and he also thinks it's fun to say.
00:42:09.000 It's the thing to say if you're really into conspiracies.
00:42:12.000 But this is the problem with these fucking conspiracies.
00:42:14.000 They say things they don't know are true, and they say them like they're true.
00:42:19.000 Now this is fine if you just talk- But why is that an issue?
00:42:22.000 It's not an issue if you're talking about the Illuminati.
00:42:24.000 If you're talking about your kid getting shot, if your kid's dead, and someone says, hey man, this fucking Tom Smith on the radio saying, you're full of shit, you're a crisis actor, and your kid's not dead.
00:42:36.000 I mean, you're crying every night.
00:42:38.000 You wake up in the middle of the night crying.
00:42:39.000 Well, I'm not defending that, obviously.
00:42:41.000 But you are, a little bit.
00:42:42.000 No, I'm just defending his right to be Alex Jones.
00:42:45.000 That's all I'm defending.
00:42:46.000 And I defend that as well.
00:42:47.000 And I defend David Allen Coe for being David Allen Coe.
00:42:50.000 What did David Allen Coe do?
00:42:51.000 Well, I played a show with David Allen Coe.
00:42:53.000 This is not any...
00:42:54.000 Let's get Sandy Hook out of this, because I'm not trying to talk about this.
00:42:58.000 Let's make some distance.
00:42:58.000 I'm defending the right of people to be who they are.
00:43:02.000 And I love David Allen Coe's music and all that.
00:43:04.000 But I played a show with David Allen Coe one time.
00:43:08.000 And my dad always would tell me these things about him.
00:43:11.000 You know, he liked David and everything, but there was always kind of a little distance of, like, there was a showmanship part of him.
00:43:18.000 And, like, a good example of this, again, distancing from Sandy Hook, but a good part of it was that when...
00:43:26.000 When David Elko, we did a show with him one time.
00:43:28.000 My mom was over on the side of the stage with me.
00:43:30.000 I was opening for him.
00:43:31.000 This is many years ago before I even had a first record out or anything.
00:43:35.000 And David Elko did, you know, we did our set and then he played and he was on stage and he performed a song my mom wrote called Storms Never Last.
00:43:49.000 So my mom's over on the side of the stage and we're talking, me and my mom, we're watching it and he's singing it with his wife and stuff.
00:43:54.000 The next night, I'm opening up for him, and he goes on stage, and he goes, Last night, Jesse Coulter was right in the front row when I sang this song with my wife, and she was crying.
00:44:05.000 And, like, I'm sitting there going, I was here, and she was not crying.
00:44:09.000 She was standing next to me.
00:44:10.000 She was not on the front row.
00:44:12.000 Right, right.
00:44:12.000 My mom, Jesse Coulter, wrote this song, Storm's Never Last.
00:44:15.000 And that's his character.
00:44:18.000 That's who he is.
00:44:19.000 All I'm saying here with...
00:44:22.000 I'm as forgiving about him lying to the audience because that is what he's doing at the moment.
00:44:28.000 I could sit there and go, you know what?
00:44:30.000 You're lying.
00:44:31.000 I'm going to take you in the back.
00:44:32.000 We're going to talk.
00:44:32.000 I'm going to tell this audience tomorrow night he's a liar.
00:44:35.000 He's a piece of shit.
00:44:36.000 Fuck him.
00:44:36.000 I'm not going to do that.
00:44:38.000 But you just did it on the show, which is a much larger audience.
00:44:42.000 Oh, right.
00:44:43.000 But I'm not calling him a piece of shit.
00:44:46.000 I'm just saying I could do that.
00:44:48.000 You're in character.
00:44:48.000 But why would I do that to him?
00:44:50.000 It's part of his shtick.
00:44:52.000 I just feel like, look, man, the times that I met Alex, the times I've been around him, Yeah, man, his gig is this.
00:44:58.000 And he got called out for a specific thing.
00:45:01.000 Yes, it involved the lives of children and everything like that.
00:45:04.000 I understand that.
00:45:05.000 I'm not at all sympathizing for him versus those families.
00:45:10.000 But I'm just saying, I just think that at the moment, everything is so hot with this.
00:45:16.000 And it's kind of exhausting.
00:45:18.000 And the internet is the reason for it, in my opinion.
00:45:21.000 Because I think that all the years that have come along...
00:45:24.000 The mass amount of people that have migrated to social media, the way that the integrated conversations happened, the way that that stuff ends up on the news now.
00:45:32.000 Like AOL chat rooms in fucking 1998, that shit did not end up on CNN. People were not listening to those things.
00:45:40.000 The best you could get, the closest you could get to fucking TV was to catch a predator when you were on that at that time.
00:45:47.000 And I feel like at this point in time, people need...
00:45:50.000 Again, not those families.
00:45:52.000 Their lawsuit, that's fine.
00:45:54.000 That's their thing.
00:45:56.000 But I just feel like people need to lighten up a little bit in the sense of...
00:46:01.000 I just think that the social media thing is very hazardous.
00:46:04.000 And I think that...
00:46:06.000 People's faith in all of it.
00:46:08.000 It doesn't have to do with fake news, and it doesn't have to do with Russian bots and all this shit.
00:46:13.000 I just think that, like, Alex Jones is a casualty because he's always been that guy.
00:46:18.000 What do you mean by it doesn't have to do with fake news and Russian bots?
00:46:21.000 I mean that, like, because there's always excuses for all the reasons why people believe.
00:46:26.000 That's real, right?
00:46:27.000 I believe that, of course, fake news is real.
00:46:30.000 But no, no, Russian bots are real.
00:46:32.000 There's an NPR document, no, no, no, a Radiolab podcast about Russian troll farms.
00:46:40.000 It's fucking fascinating.
00:46:41.000 It's really interesting.
00:46:42.000 Where these people show up at work, and their basic job is to put propaganda out on Instagram and social media and Twitter and comments and all that stuff.
00:46:53.000 I agree, but let's get out of the – let me tell you an example, what I have seen of this.
00:47:00.000 I run a bulletin board system called BitSunrise, which is like old technology that used to be modems used to dial into bulletin board systems.
00:47:08.000 You can telnet into it.
00:47:10.000 Telnet is a port – port 23 is the telnet port.
00:47:14.000 Well, DVRs also share port 23. DVRs like your DirecTV?
00:47:22.000 Where you're storing your phone?
00:47:23.000 Not all.
00:47:24.000 Yeah.
00:47:25.000 Like if you record a show on a weekly basis.
00:47:29.000 There is an open port.
00:47:30.000 It's not always 23 on the units, but it's shared with the Telnet port.
00:47:34.000 So during the election, during the months up to the election and the months after the election, I would say four months, five months leading up, five months after.
00:47:43.000 On my bulletin, this is kind of technical when I'm trying to explain this to you, but when you telnet into a computer, for mine, you would telnet in and it would give you a login.
00:47:58.000 It has a picture that's drawn and you put your name and your address or your password in and you log in.
00:48:05.000 Well, during the five months leading up to the election and the five months afterwards, I was getting every day, probably all day long, 10 or 20 connections that were coming in.
00:48:15.000 And they were just, I wouldn't say a bot.
00:48:19.000 They were like, they were scripts that were trying to log into DVRs.
00:48:24.000 And trying to log into IP cameras that you can control and everything like that.
00:48:30.000 So I was watching for that about a year period.
00:48:33.000 So let me pause you here.
00:48:35.000 So you're saying that these bots were trying to control DVRs and cameras that people have on their televisions?
00:48:41.000 They were just testing.
00:48:41.000 And 90% of them were coming from China.
00:48:43.000 10% of them were coming from maybe Russia and other places.
00:48:47.000 But 90% China, Korea.
00:48:49.000 Because you can look at the IP addresses.
00:48:50.000 So what are they testing for?
00:48:52.000 They're testing for flaws in the system?
00:48:54.000 They would be looking for a Linux login, which would be like, you know, login.
00:49:00.000 Like if you were to Telnet or SSH into a device like that, the first thing we get was a login.
00:49:07.000 And usually its root is the controller.
00:49:10.000 And so they're just trying to find...
00:49:13.000 They're just blindly...
00:49:15.000 Mass blindly going to IP addresses and trying to hack into them root.
00:49:20.000 And then they try password.
00:49:21.000 Then they try like this.
00:49:23.000 They try that.
00:49:23.000 They try the black, you know.
00:49:24.000 So the Russian bot thing, I understand that.
00:49:27.000 But I don't think it was a coordinated effort.
00:49:29.000 I think that like all during that whole time, I was watching my computer like I have.
00:49:34.000 It's kind of...
00:49:35.000 I'm getting real nerdy here, but it's like I have these games that people play, and once you get past the 13th, 14th, 15th node, which essentially means once there's 15 people playing at the same time, then the games stop working.
00:49:49.000 So I would be having to deal with...
00:49:51.000 These Chinese and Russian and all of them just mass trying to just break in.
00:49:57.000 And it was because of the DVRs and because of the IP cameras.
00:50:00.000 They were really literally trying to hack your system to just do whatever.
00:50:04.000 I don't know what the purpose was, but I watched it and it was China mostly.
00:50:10.000 I mean, Russia was a small amount.
00:50:11.000 And I think that all those countries, all the time, Or have people that are constantly trying to hack and interact with our shit.
00:50:22.000 I mean, it's just a thing.
00:50:23.000 Well, there's that as well.
00:50:24.000 There's that as well.
00:50:25.000 Yeah, but I think it's part of it.
00:50:27.000 There's that as well.
00:50:28.000 But there's also people that are absolutely trying to influence elections.
00:50:31.000 They're absolutely trying to influence our system.
00:50:34.000 And they're trying to manipulate political parties, and they're trying to start dissent.
00:50:39.000 And this is one of the things that's really fascinating about this Radiolab podcast, where they talk about how these Russian troll farms literally set up protests.
00:50:47.000 They hired people to pretend to be Donald Trump, and they hired people to pretend to be Hillary and put her in a cage and have people chant, lock her up.
00:50:55.000 Like, this is all manufactured dissent and manufactured outrage that they're strategically promoting.
00:51:03.000 That's fascinating to me.
00:51:05.000 But here you got to think, pause for a second.
00:51:07.000 You got to think, Russia is, you're talking about a giant place, okay?
00:51:12.000 So to pretend that what's happening with these people hacking into DVRs and web cameras is all that's happening.
00:51:19.000 No, I'm not saying that.
00:51:21.000 I'm just saying I witnessed that.
00:51:23.000 You witnessed a small example of what happens when people are exploiting vulnerabilities in systems.
00:51:29.000 But that doesn't mean that's the only thing that's going on.
00:51:31.000 No, I'm not saying that at all.
00:51:33.000 No, you're not.
00:51:33.000 But I want to clarify.
00:51:34.000 There's a lot of things that are going on.
00:51:36.000 There's a lot of things that are going on because people are dealing with this new technology and these new systems.
00:51:40.000 What do you think happened there?
00:51:42.000 In which way?
00:51:43.000 Well, with the Russian hacking election thing, and I don't like to get political because I don't really fucking do shit.
00:51:48.000 You don't have to get political.
00:51:49.000 Look at it objectively.
00:51:50.000 Look at it like a system.
00:51:51.000 100%.
00:51:51.000 Look at it like this.
00:51:52.000 Look at it like you have a body, okay?
00:51:54.000 And your body has an immune system.
00:51:56.000 Right.
00:51:57.000 And your body's immune system is constantly under threat of all sorts of different things.
00:52:02.000 You fucking touch a doorknob, you wipe your nose, there's a lot of shit going on, right?
00:52:06.000 This is very similar, if you just look at it objectively, to what happens whenever you have a server on the internet.
00:52:13.000 When you hear about the Republican Party getting hacked into, or different people's emails getting exploited by someone from outside that's a hacker.
00:52:25.000 What is that?
00:52:26.000 Well, they're trying to find a way through the system.
00:52:28.000 It's a natural thing.
00:52:29.000 If you put up a wall, people go, hmm, how do I get past that wall?
00:52:32.000 You know, if you make $34,000 a year and a guy makes a million dollars, oh, what does that guy know?
00:52:36.000 This is a natural thing that happens.
00:52:39.000 But how is this any different?
00:52:41.000 I guess when I'm trying to ask about this, it's like when I was watching that happen with my system, it's like how is this any different than what is going on For the last hundred years.
00:52:52.000 Because it's new.
00:52:53.000 Okay, because it's new.
00:52:54.000 Because no one has been able to get into your folders before.
00:53:00.000 No one's been able to get...
00:53:01.000 No one kid sitting in Czechoslovakia who has a computer has been able to figure out how to turn your webcam on and watch you beat off.
00:53:09.000 This is a new thing.
00:53:10.000 But we didn't have a webcam to beat off into before.
00:53:12.000 Doesn't matter.
00:53:13.000 But you understand what I'm saying?
00:53:14.000 Yeah, I do.
00:53:14.000 This is a new thing.
00:53:15.000 This is a new thing.
00:53:16.000 So because this is a new thing.
00:53:17.000 I feel like for some reason it's the exact same thing.
00:53:19.000 It is human nature, but I don't understand what your point is.
00:53:23.000 Well, I guess what I'm asking here is in the way of the—I just feel like the Russian bot thing was—all of that.
00:53:32.000 I feel like the Russian bots is a term for people who don't understand computers in a way, and they've just kind of thrown that out there as a political device.
00:53:43.000 Sometimes.
00:53:43.000 I think that Russia, China, Korea— Like every other fucking country that is enabled in a way in which they're so far ahead technologically was involved in all kinds of fuckery and they're still involved in it and will still do that during the election.
00:54:00.000 It was fucking a hundred times.
00:54:02.000 For sure.
00:54:03.000 But, you know, I'm just – it's hard for me, you know, back circling around to the Alex Jones thing.
00:54:10.000 All of this new technology, all of the people who are awake, woke on Facebook, they're woke on Facebook.
00:54:18.000 If you're awake, they know you're an agent.
00:54:19.000 Yeah, you're woke on Facebook.
00:54:20.000 I'm so wake.
00:54:21.000 You know, it's like, I felt bad for fucking Childish Gambino that he had a song that had Stay Woke in it, because immediately that song, that was what an amazing song, and it was, that term became dumb immediately.
00:54:34.000 But I just feel like All of this that's happening, all of this talk, all of him getting banned, all this stuff, it's all this kind of effect of the world.
00:54:50.000 Instead of being out in the world, everyone has gone to this point where it's these groups, these really rich groups, Google and Facebook and Twitter and all this, and everyone has gone to this central point, and now they're lynching people.
00:55:05.000 Whether or not you agree with Alex Jones, whether or not you like him, whether or not he's being lynched in the situation.
00:55:10.000 I lost you right there.
00:55:10.000 I lost you right there.
00:55:11.000 So I get that there's all these people that are doing all these different nefarious things.
00:55:16.000 This has been going on forever, and now they're using new systems to do that.
00:55:20.000 They're using the internet and all these open pipes and these connections that they can make to you.
00:55:23.000 But the trick is that the public is there.
00:55:25.000 They've gotten them to go to this one arena.
00:55:27.000 That is my problem with it.
00:55:29.000 As much of a nerd and a technology person as I am, I hate that people have...
00:55:36.000 I mean, I'm sure they have their own lives, but the fact that we have become so centralized to these small groups of internet companies like social media and things, and then now...
00:55:50.000 Look, it's on both sides, man.
00:55:52.000 I mean, Alex Jones is getting lynched, Harvey Weinstein, whatever.
00:55:55.000 I know he's doing horrible things.
00:55:57.000 That's a very different thing.
00:55:58.000 That's a very, very, very, very, very different thing you're talking about.
00:56:00.000 I'm not defending him at all for his behavior.
00:56:04.000 What's the connection?
00:56:05.000 The connection is the fact that...
00:56:06.000 The connection is people are just attacking him.
00:56:07.000 They're finding a place to attack.
00:56:10.000 Look, those people could have suits against Harvey Weinstein.
00:56:14.000 We can know about it, of course.
00:56:15.000 We knew about it because of the Wall Street Journal or whoever, New York Times, who ran that thing.
00:56:19.000 Was it a New Yorker?
00:56:21.000 Yeah, it was a New Yorker.
00:56:23.000 Shout out to Ron Farrow.
00:56:25.000 Leave me alone.
00:56:28.000 I'm sure this is an unpopular opinion, but I just feel like the centralization of society into social media is resulting in a lot of things that are very ugly.
00:56:42.000 And I think that the Russian bot thing, the Chinese hackers thing, the Alex Jones issue, the Me Too movement, all that stuff, which I'm behind all the people that were hurt.
00:56:54.000 I'm behind the Sandy Hooks people.
00:56:56.000 I'm behind the people who had the bad experiences in Hollywood, all that.
00:56:59.000 So what are you proposing?
00:57:00.000 What are you saying?
00:57:01.000 I'm just saying that I think that it's unhealthy.
00:57:03.000 I think the social media thing has become too centralized.
00:57:08.000 There needs to be a decentralized source.
00:57:11.000 How is it centralized?
00:57:11.000 Because there's only a few groups like Facebook, Twitter, Instagram?
00:57:15.000 I mean, it's 100% centralized.
00:57:17.000 I mean, it's owned by several groups.
00:57:20.000 It's several...
00:57:22.000 You know, everyone's kind of going to McDonald's to have these conversations as opposed to it being something that is a little more healthy.
00:57:30.000 I just find – I just think that people – I think Alex Jones should have always been able to be crazy in his world and he was always nice to me.
00:57:39.000 And like you said, he's your friend.
00:57:40.000 Yeah.
00:57:41.000 You know what the problem with Alex is?
00:57:42.000 He needs someone sitting right next to him.
00:57:44.000 Someone like me.
00:57:46.000 When he talks and he says something crazy, he goes, wait a minute, how do you know that?
00:57:49.000 And he goes, well, we have the documents.
00:57:51.000 Well, show me the documents.
00:57:52.000 Well, the documents don't say that.
00:57:54.000 Well, you know, the problem is, Joe, they are definitely trying to influence.
00:57:57.000 And he goes, yeah, they probably are.
00:57:58.000 But if you leave him alone, if you leave him alone and just let him rant.
00:58:02.000 By the way, he's doing six hours, eight hours of radio a fucking day.
00:58:05.000 I know.
00:58:07.000 Definitely likes to drink.
00:58:08.000 So he's doing six hours of radio a day.
00:58:10.000 At least three of them are drunk.
00:58:12.000 And he's fucking filling time and screaming and no one can say anything to him.
00:58:17.000 And he's the fucking man over there.
00:58:18.000 That's also part of the problem.
00:58:19.000 He's got a bunch of these other people that are around him all the time.
00:58:22.000 And they're conspiracy theorists as well, but they're 28. And they're hanging out with Alex Jones and he goes on these rants and no one interrupts him.
00:58:31.000 It's a broad argument with all of it because I agree, but he was always transmitting.
00:58:37.000 He was always like, hey, show me where the Satanists are going to worship to sacrifice children.
00:58:41.000 That's fine.
00:58:42.000 I get it.
00:58:43.000 I think what happened is now the idea is that he's influencing people politically, like the whole Podesta, Pizzagate, all that stuff scared the shit out of people when that guy showed up at that pizza place and fired off around and You know,
00:58:58.000 and then they wound up arresting them and they really thought there was a dungeon in the basement where they keep their kids.
00:59:03.000 Again, centralizing in social media is the cause for a lot of these reactions.
00:59:06.000 But is that centralizing in social media or is that people exciting people to go and take action against something that may or may not even be real?
00:59:14.000 Are you allowed to yell out fire in a crowded theater, right?
00:59:18.000 This is ultimately the problem.
00:59:20.000 Right.
00:59:20.000 It's not whether or not he believes in Bohemian Grove, which is real, and he proved it on video back when they had VHS tapes, and I watched it.
00:59:28.000 I mean, I've known Alex since 99, or 98, I think, maybe.
00:59:33.000 I've known him for a long-ass time.
00:59:36.000 And this is a very big difference between then and what's happening now as far as the reach and influence.
00:59:43.000 And I think people are sort of panicking about reach and influence and what it means and how to mitigate it, how to stop people from going into pizza places and shooting them up because they think that something that they heard online is true.
00:59:55.000 There's a lot of stuff that people hear online that is just not true.
00:59:59.000 You know, the lizards underground or the fucking earth being flat.
01:00:02.000 There's a lot of stuff that's just nonsense.
01:00:04.000 So it's hard to separate.
01:00:06.000 Here's what I think.
01:00:07.000 I think we are going through an adolescent stage as a being, as an evolving being.
01:00:14.000 And I think...
01:00:16.000 Our bodies and our minds and our consciousness are becoming synchronized with technology and along the way, like right now, we are in this chaotic, screaming, sweating, crying, pissing, shitting state of chaos And we are looking to figure out how to stop the bleeding.
01:00:37.000 We're looking to shove thumbs into dikes.
01:00:40.000 Dikes meaning like dams.
01:00:42.000 And we are looking to try to figure out a way to stop the bleeding.
01:00:46.000 We're trying to put patches and band-aids on things.
01:00:49.000 We're trying to manage the chaos.
01:00:51.000 We're trying to figure out what...
01:00:52.000 And this is a stage that we're going through.
01:00:55.000 Because this...
01:00:55.000 Hold on a second.
01:00:56.000 This is a new thing.
01:00:58.000 This is a new thing for human beings.
01:01:00.000 The ability to communicate widespread over millions and millions of people instantaneously is a new thing.
01:01:07.000 So people have say that never had say before.
01:01:10.000 They have influence that never had influence before.
01:01:12.000 They have their ability to contribute and they might not have thought these things through and these things catch fire and they run through dry forests like a goddamn Tornado of flames that you see on CNN when the Mendocino fire up in Northern California This is this is what happens with ideas because there's no way to contain them and they don't know what's right or what's wrong I think that what we're going through from the period of 1994 the period of 2018 is like a crazy fire in the middle of a hurricane
01:01:42.000 and It's like everything is nuts, and no one knows how to stop it, and no one knows what to do.
01:01:48.000 And what do we do?
01:01:49.000 We get together in shelters, and we fucking give people water, and we try to stop the fire and take away everyone's lighters.
01:01:54.000 And that's what we're doing right now.
01:01:55.000 We're trying to take away lighters.
01:01:57.000 We're trying to stop people who start fires.
01:01:59.000 And this is what's happening with Alex.
01:02:01.000 And it's not that Alex is a bad guy.
01:02:05.000 Is that he's by himself.
01:02:08.000 Irresponsibility.
01:02:08.000 It's irresponsible to say that you know for sure a fact that these parents from Sandy Hook are crisis actors and their kids never died.
01:02:16.000 It's irresponsible.
01:02:17.000 And he didn't think it was irresponsible when he was doing it because he's probably caught up in what he does and he's caught up in the wave of ad-libbing, just like you and I are ad-libbing.
01:02:26.000 We didn't even talk about what the fuck we were going to talk about, right?
01:02:29.000 No, you just turned on.
01:02:30.000 We just turned on and went.
01:02:32.000 We had a couple of drinks.
01:02:33.000 That's very right.
01:02:33.000 What you're saying there is very right.
01:02:34.000 I don't mean to cut you off.
01:02:35.000 It's okay.
01:02:36.000 But what you're saying there is very smart.
01:02:39.000 Because to me, you're right.
01:02:44.000 He has always been doing this.
01:02:47.000 And at this point in time, his reach has grown.
01:02:50.000 Right.
01:02:50.000 Now there's a wind behind him.
01:02:52.000 He used to be in Seattle.
01:02:54.000 It was raining every day, and he had a little patch of dry newspaper.
01:02:58.000 He'd light that shit on fire, and everybody would go, ah, Alex is crazy.
01:03:00.000 Yeah, no, I agree.
01:03:02.000 I think what I'm trying to articulate, and I'm not doing as well as I wanted to, but...
01:03:07.000 I think what my problem is is the synchronization of consciousness is what I'm not into.
01:03:13.000 I think just like you have a rut of people who now believe that the Sandy Hook thing is fake and they're calling the families because of this conversation.
01:03:28.000 This is where that lawsuit is really coming from because the other people...
01:03:32.000 But then you also have another side of it.
01:03:35.000 You know, back in the day when they said that Paul McCartney was dead, and they got harassed, but it was on such a small level because there was no way to just email Paul McCartney and say, you're not the real Paul McCartney.
01:03:52.000 You're fucking dead.
01:03:53.000 You're a faker.
01:03:54.000 Not just that.
01:03:54.000 There was no way to exchange these ideas amongst people constantly in real time on Facebook all day long.
01:04:01.000 Which is the centralization that creates these rivers and these ruts that people who don't know what to do and they fall into one rut or another and they kind of become this kind of streamlined thing.
01:04:13.000 So I think the way you just described it is very articulate.
01:04:17.000 This is a new thing, man.
01:04:18.000 It is.
01:04:19.000 This is a new thing.
01:04:19.000 We are in a really exciting time.
01:04:22.000 I don't think it's healthy, though.
01:04:22.000 Well, why I say that?
01:04:23.000 Because they used to say that about the printing press.
01:04:25.000 They used to worry about that with the written word.
01:04:27.000 They used to worry about that with everything.
01:04:29.000 The distribution of information is not whether or not it's healthy.
01:04:32.000 It's just a part of what this being does.
01:04:35.000 What this being does is constantly search for innovation and novelty.
01:04:39.000 That's what the human being does.
01:04:43.000 I guess, yes.
01:04:45.000 Look at your phone over there, man.
01:04:47.000 You got a fucking iPhone.
01:04:48.000 Don't you think you could go to the people making iPhones and go, hey, bro, we're good.
01:04:52.000 This is it.
01:04:53.000 Stop right there.
01:04:54.000 But we're not good.
01:04:55.000 These motherfuckers are ready to come out with an iPhone 11. They're not going to stop.
01:05:00.000 The guy invented the web.
01:05:02.000 Was invented hyperlinks and the idea was that if someone wanted to...
01:05:06.000 You gotta get high, dude.
01:05:06.000 This is just...
01:05:07.000 Oh, I'm in.
01:05:08.000 I'm in.
01:05:09.000 So, like, the guy invented the web.
01:05:11.000 I don't know his name.
01:05:13.000 I should know his name.
01:05:14.000 Al Gore, motherfucker!
01:05:14.000 No, right.
01:05:15.000 What, he wasn't?
01:05:16.000 That's funny.
01:05:17.000 You think he lies?
01:05:18.000 Shit.
01:05:18.000 So this cat...
01:05:20.000 All he wanted to do was make it basically like medical documents where you would say like, you know, this guy had a brain transplant and then brain transplant would be underlined and you clicked on that and it would take you to a link that explained brain transplants and that would be worldwide.
01:05:35.000 So the internet is decentralized.
01:05:38.000 And the web is decentralized to some degree, okay?
01:05:42.000 Now, Google coming in with search engines, like, that's focusing points.
01:05:45.000 What scares me is those people being, like, Facebook being the avenue in which everybody talks.
01:05:51.000 What should scare you is that weed I just handed you.
01:05:54.000 Holy shit, I took two hits and I'm not even here anymore.
01:05:58.000 I'm in a neighborhood.
01:06:00.000 I am very high.
01:06:01.000 That's a blunt.
01:06:02.000 That's legit.
01:06:04.000 I took two hits.
01:06:05.000 I like the little glass thing.
01:06:07.000 Don't fuck around here in California, son.
01:06:09.000 But you know what I mean?
01:06:10.000 I just have a problem with the centralization of the companies owning the avenues in which people talk.
01:06:15.000 I get it.
01:06:15.000 I'm right with you on that.
01:06:17.000 I think we need more YouTubes.
01:06:19.000 I think we need more venues for people to distribute information.
01:06:24.000 But I also think we need more love.
01:06:26.000 Oh, 100%.
01:06:27.000 This is more compassion.
01:06:28.000 There's so much hate and anger towards each other.
01:06:31.000 Let's keep going.
01:06:32.000 I feel like I'm going to get nailed here on this because I'm not...
01:06:35.000 Well, that's part of the nervousness about doing a live show, right?
01:06:38.000 Especially while you're intoxicated.
01:06:39.000 I would say the same...
01:06:40.000 Well, I mean, I'm not that intoxicated.
01:06:41.000 I'm very nervous right now.
01:06:43.000 I have a fucking drink.
01:06:45.000 I just have five hits.
01:06:46.000 I'm very nervous.
01:06:47.000 I would say that...
01:06:48.000 Oh, this is one of those ones where they...
01:06:50.000 Yeah, it's tobacco.
01:06:52.000 Tobacco and some shit that was grown on Mars.
01:06:56.000 You know what Armstrong grew this week?
01:06:57.000 Yeah.
01:06:59.000 Man, see, I... Again, again, it was just like there was a point in time...
01:07:05.000 Well, you're trying to make sense right now.
01:07:06.000 This is part of the problem, right?
01:07:07.000 I know.
01:07:07.000 This is why I wanted us to get out.
01:07:09.000 And we're getting super serious about topics that mean a lot to people.
01:07:13.000 And we don't really know enough about them.
01:07:15.000 I just feel like, I just wish that there weren't, like, again, I feel like there's ruts that people have to fall in to communicate.
01:07:24.000 And those are ruts that are owned by these companies that are very fucking rich and very expensive.
01:07:29.000 Well, here's the thing, too.
01:07:30.000 These companies didn't see this coming.
01:07:32.000 I'm libertarian.
01:07:33.000 I'm not either way.
01:07:36.000 I'm not really that.
01:07:37.000 I don't even fucking know what that is.
01:07:38.000 All I know is I don't believe in trusting anybody who says, hey, I'll take care of you.
01:07:46.000 You come this way.
01:07:46.000 Just don't worry about a thing.
01:07:48.000 And they're the ones making all the money.
01:07:49.000 And it's like that's how the internet has become.
01:07:52.000 It used to be a Wild West of information.
01:07:54.000 Emails are fucking information.
01:07:56.000 That's me communicating with you and no one else seeing it.
01:08:00.000 That's beautiful.
01:08:01.000 And I think the idea of Twitter and Facebook and all that is fantastic when it first started.
01:08:05.000 But at this point in time, it's gotten so big.
01:08:08.000 If it doesn't break up into something where people figure out that they are in control of the internet, not these other people, that's what bothers me.
01:08:15.000 Okay, so what bothers you is that someone comes along and says, the people aren't in control of the internet.
01:08:19.000 So it's not like a free market.
01:08:21.000 It is a free market.
01:08:23.000 It was a free market.
01:08:24.000 It's a free market.
01:08:25.000 A guy like Alex Jones would say, this guy's preposterous.
01:08:27.000 I'm not listening to him anymore.
01:08:29.000 When it's not a free market is when YouTube, I don't know if they collaborate or if they just all agree.
01:08:34.000 I don't know if they all agree, but they just all decide.
01:08:37.000 Everyone's going to take them off.
01:08:39.000 Facebook's going to suspend them for 30 days.
01:08:40.000 Twitter's going to suspend them for a period of time.
01:08:42.000 YouTube's going to remove them.
01:08:43.000 All these people are going to take Vimeo, jumped on ship, and they pulled them off too.
01:08:47.000 So this becomes an issue.
01:08:49.000 What is it that causes you to get removed?
01:08:53.000 What is it?
01:08:54.000 And should we be really clear on that, or is this just a whim?
01:08:57.000 Because this is a really important thing.
01:08:59.000 If we really are fucking with free speech, we have to be very careful on what we decide Is a valid reason to pull people off of our airways?
01:09:09.000 Because if you have stuff on your airways that's far more vile, and you let that stay up because it doesn't have the same reach, like, what is your criteria?
01:09:19.000 It doesn't have the same influence.
01:09:20.000 It doesn't have the same political ties to it.
01:09:23.000 Like, what is the reason why you're pulling one thing off and not another thing?
01:09:27.000 Is it because of a popularity issue?
01:09:29.000 Have you searched your Trillions of fucking hours of footage for offensive speech, content, ideas, disinformation.
01:09:40.000 What have you really done to mitigate this issue?
01:09:44.000 Or are you acting on this because it's a social hotspot issue right now, which it most certainly is, and most certainly should be?
01:09:52.000 I really think that Alex needs a guy right next to him.
01:09:56.000 If Alex and I did a show together...
01:09:59.000 I feel that way about Howard Stern.
01:10:00.000 Meh.
01:10:01.000 No.
01:10:02.000 Not the same comparison.
01:10:04.000 I listen to him every day.
01:10:06.000 But sometimes I want to be like, dude, are you kidding me?
01:10:08.000 But that's also part of his charm.
01:10:10.000 Part of his charm is he creates dissent and arguments and you want to get mad and you want to either...
01:10:15.000 He's opinionated.
01:10:16.000 But Howard Stern's very responsible.
01:10:18.000 He's a different guy.
01:10:19.000 It's not the same thing.
01:10:21.000 I'm not trying to compare Alex to him.
01:10:22.000 I'm just saying that sometimes I feel the same way about...
01:10:25.000 About him and other people.
01:10:26.000 People feel that way about us right now.
01:10:28.000 Oh, yeah.
01:10:28.000 People tell me, quit cutting fucking Giorgio Morata tribute records and do a country record, you know?
01:10:33.000 And I do a country record right now, and they're like, ah, it's kind of corny.
01:10:36.000 No.
01:10:37.000 No, I've got a record coming, by the way.
01:10:39.000 I'm sure you do.
01:10:40.000 Dude, I told you I wake up to Triska Decaphobia every morning.
01:10:43.000 I love the E. That's a fucking fact, man.
01:10:46.000 That's the Stephen King record.
01:10:47.000 Watch.
01:10:47.000 I'm going to fucking set it so people know I'm not bullshitting.
01:10:51.000 I'm going to set my alarm.
01:10:52.000 What time is it right now?
01:10:53.000 It's 2.05.
01:10:54.000 I'm going to set my alarm for 2.05.
01:10:58.000 2.05, perfect.
01:10:59.000 You've got one minute.
01:11:01.000 I love it.
01:11:03.000 You know, I also, just along with what you're saying, is it's like, you know...
01:11:08.000 Oh, it is 2.05, goddamn it.
01:11:10.000 It has to be free, the whole thing.
01:11:12.000 Hold on, 2.06.
01:11:14.000 No, it's 2.04.
01:11:15.000 Oh, your cathode ray light or clock, is it right?
01:11:19.000 That thing's bullshit.
01:11:20.000 Oh, it just turned 2.06.
01:11:22.000 Come on, bitch.
01:11:24.000 Why are you going?
01:11:26.000 Hmm.
01:11:27.000 It thinks I'm retarded.
01:11:29.000 Let's go with 2.08 p.m.
01:11:32.000 That's a fact.
01:11:33.000 There you go.
01:11:33.000 We'll give ourselves a little buffer.
01:11:36.000 No, I just feel like, you know, and fucking this topic could be...
01:11:39.000 No, listen, man, we're not qualified to have this conversation, but no one is.
01:11:45.000 Yeah, yeah, I agree.
01:11:45.000 So it's just as long as we're honest about how we feel about things, look, you can go, oh, you guys are off.
01:11:49.000 You guys are off.
01:11:50.000 Yeah, we're a little off.
01:11:51.000 I believe in protecting children's innocence in a certain way that I agree with YouTube not allowing porn and stuff like that, you know, because my kids look at YouTube all the time.
01:12:01.000 But what about Twitter?
01:12:02.000 Twitter allows a certain amount of porn.
01:12:04.000 Sometimes I'm flipping through my timeline.
01:12:06.000 I've got to duck my phone down.
01:12:07.000 I've got to go, yo, Kendra Luss, slow it down.
01:12:10.000 Yeah, nice call out.
01:12:13.000 Yeah, I mean, you know, it may as well have, like, I believe if ISIS, if Alex Jones, and if the unboxing of the LOLs can exist.
01:12:23.000 What does that mean?
01:12:24.000 What's unboxing of the LOLs?
01:12:26.000 My daughter, these toys, LOL Shopkins and things like that, where they show videos of them, or the slime videos of doing the slime.
01:12:32.000 Oh, okay.
01:12:32.000 I was confused.
01:12:33.000 You know, like YouTube and those kind of things.
01:12:35.000 I just think that there's a certain level of, like, just ignore it if you don't like it.
01:12:41.000 Well, it's not your thing.
01:12:42.000 The lawsuit thing, totally, that's out of this context a little bit.
01:12:45.000 He went too far with that.
01:12:46.000 There's a big difference between something that you might find gross and something that changes culture.
01:12:52.000 So I think what they're worried about is, do you remember when Jim Acosta did that, he went to that Trump rally and they went crazy on him?
01:12:59.000 Do you remember that shit?
01:13:00.000 I don't know.
01:13:01.000 It was a recent thing, a couple weeks ago.
01:13:03.000 He's a CNN anchor who is reasonably self-righteous, but he's in a difficult situation.
01:13:10.000 He has to challenge the President of the United States, who is also a famous celebrity billionaire guy who has his name on buildings.
01:13:17.000 I mean, this literally is Rosebud.
01:13:20.000 This is the tale of Citizen Kane.
01:13:24.000 I mean, this is someone with...
01:13:27.000 Ungodly power and influence.
01:13:29.000 And I'm not standing up for Jim Acosta.
01:13:31.000 I'm just going to say, just put yourself in that guy's position.
01:13:35.000 What a crazy spot.
01:13:36.000 You're yelling out questions at the President of the United States, who also happens to be Donald Trump.
01:13:41.000 You think like you're on acid.
01:13:42.000 The world has gone into a vortex of crazy, and you're the guy by some fucking freak of chance, whether you're Jim Acosta or Don Lemon or fill in the blank.
01:13:55.000 Everyone...
01:13:58.000 Damn it!
01:13:59.000 It went off!
01:14:00.000 You heard it!
01:14:00.000 You hit the button!
01:14:01.000 I accidentally hit the button.
01:14:03.000 I did hear it.
01:14:03.000 I'm going to set it to 9 so I can do this correctly.
01:14:06.000 But I mean, if you're one of those fucking people, I'm going to hold this bitch over here.
01:14:09.000 It was the weed.
01:14:09.000 You thought, oh shit, I got to turn that off.
01:14:11.000 Yeah, I only have a few seconds to go.
01:14:13.000 If you're one of those fucking people and that's your job and we expect them to handle that, that's probably like being Beyonce and The Rock on steroids.
01:14:24.000 But in a negative way.
01:14:28.000 It wouldn't be those two because those are very beloved celebrities.
01:14:31.000 Very few people are as beloved as The Rock or Beyonce.
01:14:35.000 They're pretty much universally beloved.
01:14:37.000 I think they're the same person.
01:14:38.000 Uniquely so.
01:14:39.000 They're so loved and so deserving of that love.
01:14:43.000 But if you're a guy, like who's a real, like Takashi69, that kid?
01:14:49.000 Can you imagine the hate that guy gets all day?
01:14:51.000 Who is that?
01:14:52.000 He's a rapper.
01:14:55.000 Listen to this.
01:14:58.000 Every morning I wake up to you, my friend.
01:15:02.000 I hope this doesn't get us pulled off of YouTube.
01:15:05.000 Alex played that whole thing on the air right now.
01:15:10.000 Shooter Jennings, bitch.
01:15:12.000 Recognize.
01:15:15.000 Oh, you brought an album.
01:15:16.000 Oh, we own it.
01:15:17.000 We can sign off on it.
01:15:18.000 Oh, that's yours.
01:15:19.000 Oh, beautiful.
01:15:20.000 That's my new record.
01:15:21.000 Dude, I love it.
01:15:22.000 Thanks, Adam.
01:15:24.000 Dude, you got some badass fucking music.
01:15:27.000 Oh, thanks.
01:15:27.000 You really do.
01:15:28.000 I love your music.
01:15:29.000 And you know one of the things that I love about your music?
01:15:31.000 It's all different, man.
01:15:33.000 You got some straight-up country.
01:15:36.000 Put the O back in country.
01:15:37.000 You've got that whole album, man.
01:15:40.000 It's like a badass country album.
01:15:43.000 But with this twist.
01:15:46.000 A respectful country album that also has a lot of modern wickedness to it.
01:15:52.000 I appreciate it.
01:15:53.000 That was the point.
01:15:54.000 Like when we were...
01:15:56.000 Like, when we were doing the first record, it was me and Ted Russell Camp, who still plays with me, and Leroy Powell, who doesn't play with me anymore, but he played on that record.
01:16:03.000 He played guitar.
01:16:04.000 Brian Keeling was the drummer.
01:16:06.000 We started doing our shit.
01:16:07.000 Like, our idea was...
01:16:08.000 We were living here.
01:16:09.000 You know, I just...
01:16:10.000 2003, we started recording the first record.
01:16:13.000 And I had moved here three years ago.
01:16:15.000 And we were like...
01:16:16.000 Our whole thing was, like, we like rock music because it sounds cool.
01:16:19.000 And we like Dylan, and we like...
01:16:21.000 You know, even...
01:16:22.000 I wasn't even smart enough to like Dylan then.
01:16:24.000 We were, like, into fucking...
01:16:25.000 You know, Bowie and...
01:16:28.000 I kind of came from the Nine Inch Nails side.
01:16:31.000 That's how I got into music.
01:16:32.000 We kind of talked about that in the other show.
01:16:35.000 By that time, the idea was like, can we make country music?
01:16:40.000 We like the old stuff, but have it sound cool.
01:16:42.000 And why can't we bring in the stuff that's cool about rock?
01:16:46.000 And why can't you go psychedelic?
01:16:47.000 And why can't you kind of push the limits that way?
01:16:51.000 And we were just dumb.
01:16:52.000 And trying to do it that way.
01:16:54.000 And Dave Cobb, who produced this record, we met back then and he produced the first record.
01:17:00.000 And he was the same way.
01:17:02.000 We were like more Beatles, Stones, Bowie kids musically in the amount of records we listened to and, you know, obsessed over Pink Floyd and stuff, you know, than we were a country.
01:17:13.000 So we were kind of trying to blend those two back then.
01:17:17.000 You know, but we were just...
01:17:19.000 Just trying and starting and doing weird shit.
01:17:21.000 And then after a while, just evolving.
01:17:26.000 Yeah, but then your next album would be totally different.
01:17:28.000 Like, you don't give a fuck, dude.
01:17:31.000 It's about the record.
01:17:32.000 You're like a guy who invested in Apple in the 80s.
01:17:34.000 Yeah.
01:17:36.000 You just do your music, man.
01:17:39.000 You do your music and whatever you're into right now is like what you do.
01:17:43.000 It's really interesting.
01:17:44.000 I've listened to every one of your CDs and there's only a few of them that are even similar.
01:17:51.000 You know, similar to each other.
01:17:53.000 They're all your albums.
01:17:55.000 I guess you can say albums again.
01:17:57.000 Because it became CD for a while, but who the fuck gets a CD, old man?
01:18:01.000 And then it's like, I can't say online playlist.
01:18:04.000 Your newest online playlist.
01:18:06.000 Like, what do I say about your newest thing?
01:18:08.000 Albums are playlists, man.
01:18:09.000 Your newest audio release.
01:18:10.000 Yeah, man.
01:18:12.000 You know, once Black Ribbons happened, man, I did the first record.
01:18:17.000 And that was kind of my take on country and our take as a band and Dave Cobb.
01:18:21.000 And then before that record came out, we started recording the second record.
01:18:26.000 And I was like, the first song I wrote was the song Electric Rodeo.
01:18:29.000 And I was like, I wanted to go heavy.
01:18:32.000 I wanted to just really show up and do this kind of hard, rocky sounding.
01:18:39.000 And what I mean by that is, we're into Zeppelin and shit.
01:18:42.000 We were into 90s music.
01:18:44.000 It was like...
01:18:45.000 You know, 70s shit.
01:18:47.000 But it was like hard rock, crazy effects.
01:18:50.000 The immigrant song.
01:18:51.000 Kind of going crazy.
01:18:52.000 But with the song, the country songs there.
01:18:54.000 And I always felt if Electric Rodeo got considered a country record when it came out and charted, then I felt like we had done our thing.
01:19:02.000 But it did come out and it did chart.
01:19:04.000 But once we came out with that, we had Universal who had been behind us.
01:19:09.000 And they had basically been...
01:19:10.000 The people that worked at Universal had been kind of, in my opinion...
01:19:22.000 We're good to go.
01:19:33.000 Made me feel like he liked me.
01:19:35.000 So I sent him this record after me and the band and Dave did the record.
01:19:39.000 And they believed in me and they signed it.
01:19:42.000 And he kind of like remixed our first song so they would play it on radio.
01:19:47.000 And Tony was a big producer, still is.
01:19:49.000 I mean, he produced like the first bunch of Steve Earle records and he played piano for Elvis.
01:19:54.000 And he was our label head.
01:19:55.000 So we kind of remixed it so we get on radio.
01:19:58.000 So I'm thinking, they like me, because we have kind of a number 24 hit.
01:20:02.000 So I'm like, I'm going to hit them with some good shit now.
01:20:04.000 And then I hit them with what I thought was a good shit, and they said, this is not what we signed up for.
01:20:09.000 We are out.
01:20:09.000 You're out.
01:20:10.000 And I never got to play on the radio again.
01:20:12.000 So, you know...
01:20:14.000 That's on them, dude.
01:20:16.000 I know.
01:20:16.000 The reason why your music is so...
01:20:18.000 Well, it's just good.
01:20:19.000 I mean, I like a lot of great music, and your music is great.
01:20:22.000 But it's also that you're clearly coming at this from an artist's perspective.
01:20:26.000 You're not a marketing genius by any stretch of the imagination.
01:20:30.000 Your dad's fucking Waylon Jennings, dude.
01:20:33.000 I mean, you have the in of all inns.
01:20:35.000 Your dad is like a super legend, you know?
01:20:38.000 I mean, he's a super, super legend, but you choose...
01:20:42.000 To legitimately carve your own path in the wildest of ways.
01:20:45.000 It's really interesting how you do that.
01:20:47.000 And I think that thoughtfulness that allows you to be free like that is also what allows you to explore these complex issues like censorship or Bitcoin or any of these things that are like, whoa, this is some heavy stuff.
01:21:01.000 You have a curious approach to these things and an ability to express who you really are, right?
01:21:08.000 Which is what comes out in your music.
01:21:10.000 It's not like your image.
01:21:11.000 You're just doing what you really feel when you're writing it.
01:21:14.000 I think that's a big part of community.
01:21:19.000 That's a big part of being a person.
01:21:21.000 Like, let some person uniquely be themselves.
01:21:23.000 And I think this is a real issue with social media.
01:21:27.000 The people are so terrified of expressing themselves because they're terrified of the hate they get back But then they get addicted to attacking other people that are failing or other people that are making mistakes And I get I think this again goes with this whole fucking chaos thing that we're talking about before I mean,
01:21:43.000 I think we're in the middle of a storm right now And I think that your your take on Alex Jones and Bill Maher's take on Alex Jones and what we're saying here about him it doesn't It doesn't in any way negate arguments that you shouldn't say some of the things he's saying.
01:21:57.000 We agree with you.
01:21:58.000 But we also say, human beings, we have to figure this out together.
01:22:02.000 And if you start conflict, and one great way to start conflict is to ban and to take people down.
01:22:09.000 Call people a Nazi that aren't really a Nazi.
01:22:12.000 Like, decide that someone's an alt-right white supremacist.
01:22:14.000 This is when they're really not at all.
01:22:16.000 They're a liberal and a Democrat, and you know they are.
01:22:18.000 You're saying crazy things because you're trying to demonize people and slot them into groups.
01:22:21.000 We have to reject that with every fiber of our being because this is tyranny.
01:22:27.000 This is a type of group tyranny that although it's not connected to a network like the fucking, you know, the KKK or the Democrats or the Republicans, It's still this chaotic group think thing that happens where we decide to go after people and stop being compassionate,
01:22:44.000 stop being just a human being who recognizes that other human beings are flawed and they make mistakes and they do stupid shit.
01:22:51.000 But as soon as you oppose them so vehemently for something that really should be treated with curiosity and compassion and maybe a little bit of understanding and mockery, instead of that, there's this anger and this vitriol that we just have to Put a curb on shitty thinking.
01:23:08.000 I agree.
01:23:08.000 It's kind of like new Roman Coliseum social media.
01:23:11.000 It is in a way, but it's also...
01:23:13.000 People fighting each other and cheering it on.
01:23:15.000 The court of public discourse is massive now.
01:23:18.000 It just opened up a gate.
01:23:19.000 It was a little trickle.
01:23:20.000 It was like that fucking border patrol station in Mexico.
01:23:23.000 It's hard to get in the country, bro.
01:23:25.000 If you want to be that guy who risks his life in the middle of August and take your family through the fucking desert with a couple of jugs of water and you're going to walk and hope you find a job...
01:23:34.000 You know?
01:23:34.000 That's what it used to be like.
01:23:36.000 What this is like is the walls came down and they changed the law.
01:23:40.000 And everybody said, go ahead in.
01:23:41.000 And everybody's in.
01:23:44.000 And in and down, too.
01:23:45.000 People going down, too.
01:23:46.000 Up and down.
01:23:47.000 Just opening it up.
01:23:49.000 It's getting crazy!
01:23:50.000 See, this is what everybody's afraid of.
01:23:52.000 And this is what's happening right now with information.
01:23:55.000 This is what's happening for the very first time ever.
01:23:58.000 Between this period of, you know, 1994 and 2018, it's been this inevitable change in the way people are able to express information.
01:24:06.000 And who gets to express information?
01:24:09.000 You know, they'll question the legitimacy of someone who becomes famous through the internet, but not famous through NBC. He made it!
01:24:16.000 He's on NBC! Meanwhile, this guy is just talking to his webcam.
01:24:21.000 He has 30 times as many people paying attention to him.
01:24:24.000 Why is he wrong?
01:24:25.000 Why is he incorrect?
01:24:26.000 Because he didn't go through your established channels that have existed with...
01:24:30.000 Who's your gatekeepers?
01:24:31.000 Oh, guys like Harvey Weinstein were your gatekeepers?
01:24:34.000 Bitch, get the fuck out of here.
01:24:36.000 You don't get to dictate what's interesting or what's creative or what sounds good, what kind of music people like.
01:24:42.000 It used to be that if you liked rock, you didn't like country.
01:24:46.000 When I was a kid, you were a loser if you liked KISS. Right.
01:24:49.000 Dude, you would get categorized.
01:24:52.000 I had to hide some music that I liked.
01:24:54.000 Kiss was one of them.
01:24:56.000 That's funny, man.
01:24:57.000 I told Paul Stanley he didn't seem to appreciate that.
01:25:00.000 I told Gene Simmons once, too.
01:25:02.000 I was like, dude, I'm sorry, but it was true.
01:25:04.000 I was loyal back when it was uncool to like Kiss.
01:25:07.000 And then it turned around and became super loyal.
01:25:10.000 Eddie Bravo has the same story.
01:25:12.000 We both were embarrassed to be Kiss fans.
01:25:15.000 But meanwhile, now I fucking love Kiss.
01:25:17.000 Yeah.
01:25:17.000 I love Kiss, but I also love Willie Nelson.
01:25:23.000 I love listening to all kinds of different shit.
01:25:27.000 Country comes along, too.
01:25:29.000 For me, I grew up with my dad, but country came along.
01:25:33.000 Once I started living life and I started appreciating the songs, you know what I mean?
01:25:39.000 Yeah, like when you start actually kind of understanding the words and all that and like you it just it hits you Yeah, like oh shit this this shit is like the heavy shit Yeah, it's like there's some deep deep fucking emotions to country songs I mean Johnny Cash just his lyrics alone like some of his songs are fucking phenomenal man.
01:25:59.000 Yeah, they're phenomenal Yeah, you know, you know what one always blows me away on cash is the man in black still to this thing the lines like, you know What is it?
01:26:10.000 The thousands that died thinking that the Lord were on their side.
01:26:13.000 And then here's to the hundreds or tens of thousands that died thinking that we were all on their side, like that verse and everything.
01:26:19.000 I was looking at it.
01:26:20.000 I forgot to look it up.
01:26:21.000 Hey, would you mind looking up who wrote The Man in Black?
01:26:24.000 Sorry to ask you that, but I've been dying to know that because I wanted to know if Shel Silverstein was involved or if it was just Johnny Cash that wrote it.
01:26:31.000 But that's such a beautiful song.
01:26:33.000 Dude, how about, um, well, Folsom Prison Blues, alright, of course.
01:26:37.000 Oh, that's a fantastic one.
01:26:39.000 But how about God's Gonna Cut You Down?
01:26:40.000 Oh, that's Misty's favorite.
01:26:42.000 Good lord, that's a song.
01:26:44.000 I love that song.
01:26:45.000 That's a song that, like, chills you to your bones.
01:26:47.000 Yeah.
01:26:48.000 Because he was an old, old man when he did that song, too.
01:26:50.000 Rick Rubin's like the...
01:26:52.000 Oh my god, that's good.
01:26:54.000 It has that right, the big kind of beat.
01:26:55.000 Yeah.
01:26:56.000 Jesus Christ, that's good.
01:26:57.000 That one and The Man Comes Around, those two were really smoking.
01:27:00.000 And even like a boy named Sue.
01:27:02.000 Oh yeah.
01:27:02.000 Ridiculous.
01:27:03.000 That's Shel Silverstein.
01:27:04.000 Is it?
01:27:04.000 That's why I was wondering.
01:27:05.000 Yeah, Shel wrote that.
01:27:07.000 Shel's like the forgot, he's the guy that brought like the New York sense of humor and really cultured writing style, like the kind of Hunter S. Thompson world.
01:27:17.000 He's the link.
01:27:19.000 Between that and country music, for sure, Shel Silverstein.
01:27:22.000 I got to be around him a couple times when I was young.
01:27:24.000 He wrote it.
01:27:25.000 Though Cash wrote the signature song, Man in Black, to explain the social conscience behind his wardrobe choices, just so we're reminded of the ones who are held back.
01:27:35.000 In fact, he took to black simply because it was easier to keep clean on long tours.
01:27:40.000 Yeah, look at that.
01:27:42.000 Early in his career, fellow acts teased him about it, calling him The Undertaker.
01:27:47.000 Oh shit, he was The Undertaker.
01:27:48.000 Before The Undertaker was The Undertaker.
01:27:50.000 Sorry.
01:27:50.000 Yeah, these lyrics could really...
01:27:52.000 I mean, they're this time right now.
01:27:55.000 They're so good.
01:27:56.000 He was a monster, man.
01:27:57.000 Johnny Cash's a monster.
01:27:59.000 Yeah, he was cool as fuck.
01:28:00.000 He's a monster.
01:28:01.000 He just had this energy about him.
01:28:04.000 Are those like colas?
01:28:05.000 Yeah, they're Zevia's.
01:28:07.000 It's a stevia-flavored beverage, so it doesn't have any calories.
01:28:14.000 It's guilt-free.
01:28:15.000 Guilt-free mouth pleasure.
01:28:18.000 Mouth pleasure.
01:28:19.000 Yeah, man.
01:28:20.000 He had songs that were...
01:28:22.000 There's so many of them that were just...
01:28:24.000 If you think about the time that he was writing them...
01:28:27.000 And to come up through the sun scene and Elvis and all that.
01:28:30.000 That was a weird thing.
01:28:31.000 He came in through Memphis.
01:28:32.000 Yeah.
01:28:33.000 Yeah, he was a beast, man.
01:28:35.000 No question.
01:28:36.000 It seemed like he kind of died on his own terms.
01:28:38.000 He died like a man.
01:28:39.000 He died after June died.
01:28:41.000 It was like right after June died.
01:28:42.000 That was also the way he was handling it, too.
01:28:44.000 You know?
01:28:45.000 Yeah.
01:28:46.000 When he did that Nine Inch Nails song...
01:28:48.000 Yeah, Hurt?
01:28:49.000 Yeah.
01:28:49.000 Yeah, that was awesome.
01:28:50.000 That was intense.
01:28:51.000 Intense.
01:28:51.000 See if you can find that video.
01:28:53.000 It was on Mushrooms the first time I saw that video.
01:28:55.000 I was in my room here in LA in the Star Gun house that was the pink house over by the Tomcat Theater on Santa Monica Boulevard.
01:29:04.000 Do you know what I'm talking about?
01:29:06.000 No.
01:29:06.000 Paris Nude, the place where you can go in there.
01:29:08.000 Oh, where's it at?
01:29:09.000 You can go in there and take pictures of women.
01:29:11.000 It's Santa Monica and Gardner.
01:29:13.000 Okay.
01:29:14.000 Anyway, this little pink house we had over there.
01:29:15.000 And I was watching that video on mushrooms, and I was like, fucking goddamn.
01:29:22.000 Let me see this.
01:29:24.000 Did you find it?
01:29:26.000 Yeah, I was trying to find out a year.
01:29:27.000 It's 2002?
01:29:30.000 When did Johnny die?
01:29:32.000 I think 2005 or something like that?
01:29:35.000 No, it was like three.
01:29:37.000 I was living in this apartment by the Beverly Center, and I remember that when that happened.
01:29:45.000 Did you say three, Jamie?
01:29:46.000 Yeah.
01:29:48.000 I saw him there.
01:29:49.000 I got to be around him a lot when I was on the road.
01:29:53.000 When I was, like, the first High Women record came out, I was six, five, and we all went on the road.
01:30:01.000 So, like, Willie's daughters, Amy and Paula, were out.
01:30:04.000 No, actually, maybe they were out.
01:30:07.000 I think they were out.
01:30:08.000 The Christophersons had their family.
01:30:11.000 And then we went again for High Women, too.
01:30:14.000 But when we were, like, five-year-olds, I wish we could play music on this show.
01:30:19.000 I'll play that Highwayman song.
01:30:21.000 I fucking love that song.
01:30:23.000 And when Johnny comes on, I fly a starship.
01:30:26.000 I flew a goddamn space car.
01:30:28.000 Across the universe divide.
01:30:30.000 And when I reach the other side.
01:30:35.000 That was a great fucking album.
01:30:38.000 It was a great song.
01:30:39.000 Have those guys all together.
01:30:40.000 Yeah, it was cool.
01:30:41.000 Chips Melman produced that record.
01:30:44.000 Phenomenal shit.
01:30:46.000 I fly a starship.
01:30:48.000 Jimmy Webb wrote that.
01:30:50.000 By the time I get to Phoenix, Galveston.
01:30:54.000 He wrote MacArthur Park.
01:30:56.000 He wrote that motherfucker of a songwriter.
01:31:00.000 And that song is kind of about reincarnation.
01:31:02.000 It's like his original song is about one person who lived through these different lives, and then he ends up being a simple drop of rain after the starship.
01:31:10.000 And he's a highwayman.
01:31:12.000 Fuck.
01:31:13.000 It's amazing.
01:31:14.000 That's what we're scared of.
01:31:15.000 We're scared of being a single drop of rain again.
01:31:18.000 I'd love it.
01:31:19.000 It'd be so much fun.
01:31:19.000 I don't know, dude.
01:31:20.000 I'm having a good time.
01:31:21.000 Yeah.
01:31:22.000 I know, but wouldn't it be easy just to fall for five seconds?
01:31:25.000 It was sure.
01:31:26.000 For sure.
01:31:27.000 Absolutely.
01:31:27.000 And on to the next forever.
01:31:28.000 How about that?
01:31:29.000 How about for billions of years?
01:31:30.000 How about you go back to being a single-celled organism?
01:31:32.000 You start from scratch, go through evolution again.
01:31:35.000 You're like, no way!
01:31:36.000 Totally.
01:31:36.000 But you did it.
01:31:37.000 It doesn't matter.
01:31:38.000 What matters is the moment.
01:31:40.000 And that's an impossible concept to grasp for people who collect stamps.
01:31:45.000 You've got a bunch of shit you're holing up in your house because you're trying to put some sort of rigidity to this.
01:31:53.000 If ethereal world that we live in, you're trying to put some structure to this.
01:31:57.000 And everybody forgets to enjoy it.
01:31:59.000 Yeah.
01:31:59.000 And I think that's kind of part of the point earlier, too, is it's just like, man, everybody gets wrapped up.
01:32:06.000 You said you were talking about When you were just afterwards, but you were talking about everybody gets sucked up into all these different, you know, fucking confrontations all the time.
01:32:19.000 And it takes all of your attention.
01:32:22.000 Dude, I think we can change that.
01:32:23.000 I really do.
01:32:24.000 I think that's fixable.
01:32:26.000 I think albums aren't listened to like they used to be because we used to have so much time, man.
01:32:29.000 You used to sit in your room and that's all you had.
01:32:31.000 And now there's this constant focus.
01:32:34.000 It's like, there's a way.
01:32:35.000 And I think the only answer is there's going to have to be some established decentralization of the internet that returns it to the form in which all can exist digitally as they do physically, just like we do now.
01:32:49.000 And we're going to have to figure it out as a society.
01:32:52.000 I think that's coming, dude.
01:32:52.000 I don't think anyone's going to be able to stop it.
01:32:55.000 No regulation.
01:32:55.000 Because one of the things that's interesting is the people at the very top of the heap...
01:32:59.000 We always thought were the proponents of free speech.
01:33:04.000 We always thought that the repressive people were the right-wing conservative people that wanted to stop progress and stop nudity and people smoking pot and, you know, and Tipper Gore wants to ban rap music.
01:33:17.000 Remember all that?
01:33:18.000 That's what we always thought.
01:33:19.000 Actually, Tipper Gore was a Democrat.
01:33:21.000 That's a very bad analogy.
01:33:22.000 Tipper Gore was Al Gore's wife.
01:33:24.000 Remember Tipper Gore?
01:33:25.000 She had the stickers put on it.
01:33:27.000 Stickers, yeah.
01:33:28.000 Explicit lyrics.
01:33:29.000 She got ahold of some fucking old-school iced tea and blew her wig.
01:33:35.000 But we always – that's a bad example because she was a Democrat.
01:33:39.000 It's a great example.
01:33:39.000 But it is an example of like – forget about Democrats or Republicans.
01:33:42.000 It's basically people in power trying to control other folks.
01:33:46.000 This has been going on forever.
01:33:49.000 Right.
01:33:49.000 It's just what people do.
01:33:50.000 But we always thought of it as being the conservative ones that were like the most – The most into suppression of free speech, stop people from swearing, stop the nudity, stop the pornography.
01:34:02.000 It was always thought of as being a conservative thing.
01:34:04.000 But I would argue today, it's almost like your behavior is more restricted on the left than it is even on the right.
01:34:12.000 The right has seemed to be more relaxed in terms of what they're willing to let people do.
01:34:17.000 But the left is putting up all these boundaries for what people can and can't say, do and don't do.
01:34:23.000 Tom Segura sent me this photograph of some sort of a sketch comedy group where they were trying to figure out what you can and can't do today and what is okay to do in a sketch.
01:34:36.000 And a lot of it was about gay people and trans people.
01:34:39.000 And can you be a straight cis man playing a trans person?
01:34:43.000 All caps.
01:34:44.000 Absolutely not.
01:34:46.000 Can you be a cis person or can you be a trans person playing a cis person?
01:34:51.000 YES! All caps.
01:34:53.000 You can do whatever you want.
01:34:54.000 If you're a trans person who's a woman, you can play a man, and that's totally cool.
01:35:00.000 But if you're Shooter Jennings and you go, you know what, man?
01:35:02.000 I just think it would be cool to do a movie where I play a chick.
01:35:04.000 No chance, buddy.
01:35:06.000 You're not allowed to make believe in that way.
01:35:08.000 You can't make believe in a certain way.
01:35:10.000 They're basically saying, your thoughts are not allowed to go down these roads.
01:35:15.000 There's no way you could manage this respectfully and with enough dignity.
01:35:19.000 Who's saying that?
01:35:21.000 People who are crazy.
01:35:22.000 But this is my point.
01:35:23.000 These people exist.
01:35:25.000 And they're on the left now.
01:35:27.000 They're super inclusive.
01:35:29.000 Super worried about diversity.
01:35:32.000 Super worried about people of color.
01:35:35.000 And there's all these weird words that are thrown around.
01:35:38.000 Game words.
01:35:39.000 I wish George Carlin was alive.
01:35:41.000 I want to know what he would say.
01:35:42.000 No, I just want to know what he would say.
01:35:44.000 He'd bring him back to life and kill him again with a hard time.
01:35:47.000 He would say what's similar to what you're saying, what I'm saying, I think, but probably better.
01:35:51.000 He would just tell...
01:35:52.000 Oh, he'd be so...
01:35:53.000 Yeah.
01:35:54.000 I just want to know.
01:35:55.000 I just would die to know what he would say.
01:35:57.000 This is...
01:35:58.000 I mean, to use the title of my tour, these are strange times.
01:36:03.000 Legitimately strange times.
01:36:04.000 Stranger than we've ever experienced before as a human race, I think.
01:36:07.000 Yeah, oh, I think so.
01:36:08.000 I think we're on the beginning of it.
01:36:11.000 That's the fucked up things.
01:36:12.000 I think that, like, the internet is the thing, the linchpin that changed society in such a way.
01:36:19.000 Like you said, the adolescent phase is what we're in.
01:36:21.000 It's a storm, dude.
01:36:21.000 Maybe it's a toddler phase.
01:36:22.000 A storm of information.
01:36:23.000 It's a goddamn hailstorm.
01:36:25.000 You ever seen those hailstorms where they hit those Ohio backyards and fuck up the pool and everybody's in Scott screaming and you're here in the house like it's getting attacked by rocks?
01:36:34.000 That's what it is.
01:36:35.000 It's one of those hailstorms of information.
01:36:38.000 Yeah, man.
01:36:39.000 There's never been anything like it.
01:36:41.000 And it's good.
01:36:42.000 It's good.
01:36:43.000 But we just got to be nice to each other.
01:36:44.000 We're all together in this thing together.
01:36:46.000 That's the thing too, man.
01:36:47.000 If people are nice, other people will be nice back.
01:36:50.000 This is the thing.
01:36:51.000 We got to realize that.
01:36:52.000 If you're nice, other people would be nice too.
01:36:54.000 We got to be nice to each other.
01:36:55.000 And that includes online.
01:36:58.000 And then we've got to be nice about all the other things in the world.
01:37:02.000 There's just so much that has to be thought of.
01:37:04.000 So much that has to be thought of, not with this idea that you're going to live forever.
01:37:09.000 Because a lot of the way we behave is almost like we think we're going to live forever.
01:37:13.000 Instead of having this short trip where you should just kind of be as friendly with people as possible.
01:37:19.000 And this is also something that should be projected.
01:37:22.000 I should project it.
01:37:23.000 You should project it.
01:37:24.000 We should all get that idea out there so that we all agree.
01:37:26.000 Like, yeah.
01:37:28.000 We could do this.
01:37:29.000 Even competition, it doesn't have to be that kind of conflict.
01:37:32.000 Even if you're neighboring businesses, you can be friends and everybody will do well together.
01:37:37.000 There's a lot of people, man.
01:37:38.000 This is not a time where you have to control everything and everyone, nor should you want to.
01:37:44.000 It's like a giant summer camp.
01:37:46.000 Life is just your piece of it.
01:37:49.000 That's a good way to describe it, dude.
01:37:50.000 My kids are going to have their own summer camp that's going to happen, or are on their way at the beginning of it.
01:37:54.000 Yeah, these counselors ain't controlling shit.
01:37:56.000 People are finger-banging each other in fucking outhouses.
01:38:01.000 You can't let a bunch of 14-year-olds run around the forest together.
01:38:05.000 They're gonna fuck!
01:38:06.000 Every four years, the head counselor changes.
01:38:08.000 It's some guy.
01:38:09.000 It's like, last time I was like, oh, we love that guy.
01:38:11.000 And this guy's like, no.
01:38:13.000 Nobody from the other neighboring camps are coming in.
01:38:15.000 You're like, okay.
01:38:16.000 It's fine.
01:38:16.000 We're partying.
01:38:17.000 We vaguely knew.
01:38:18.000 When I was in Boy Scouts, we vaguely knew that there was a potential that one of these camp counselors might molest you.
01:38:25.000 We vaguely knew.
01:38:26.000 People knew.
01:38:27.000 Don't go to the bathroom with them.
01:38:29.000 No one ever did.
01:38:30.000 But there was that thought when we were like, I guess I was 13 or something like that when I was in the Boy Scouts.
01:38:35.000 There was that thought like, hey man, this could go fucking sideways anytime.
01:38:39.000 We're in the woods with some dudes that want to be in the woods with kids.
01:38:44.000 How well did they vet these people?
01:38:46.000 See, different strokes taught me that.
01:38:49.000 Yeah, are these people like legit Boy Scout, you know, instructors or whatever they be who really want to show everybody the way of the woods?
01:38:57.000 Yes, most likely.
01:38:58.000 It's amazing.
01:38:59.000 Amazing experience for young men.
01:39:01.000 But just as human beings, anytime you get human beings, anytime you get a certain group of human beings and you leave them alone with large groups of kids, You gotta be super careful with what their motives are and how they handle pressure and how they deal with conflict and how they deal with sex.
01:39:21.000 Were you ever molested?
01:39:24.000 Tell me when you were molested.
01:39:25.000 What happened?
01:39:27.000 These are weird issues when you're talking about dealing with children and dealing with them.
01:39:33.000 The youngest ones are eight and ten.
01:39:34.000 Yeah, see mine's seven and ten.
01:39:36.000 It's a weird time when you're watching little human beings evolve and develop.
01:39:43.000 It's hard to let it go too, you know, for me and I know for But the analogy you just had was perfect.
01:39:51.000 It is really like summer camp.
01:39:54.000 But it's funny how, like, you know, from the day you're born, the day after somebody else's summer camp starts and it kind of kind of generationally goes on forever.
01:40:03.000 And you kind of like realize that you're stuck in this like movie.
01:40:07.000 Yeah.
01:40:07.000 In which that you have to try and do the best.
01:40:10.000 You know, like for me, it's like do the best with like your family and the people you love.
01:40:14.000 Yeah.
01:40:15.000 And then have the most fun and do the most damage in a good way.
01:40:19.000 By the way, all the people out there that are summer camp counselors are mad at me right now.
01:40:23.000 I'm not saying...
01:40:24.000 You're worried about that after this conversation?
01:40:26.000 I don't want anybody to feel bad.
01:40:28.000 The vast majority of you are awesome.
01:40:30.000 We're just talking about, in general, human beings.
01:40:34.000 It's the sheer numbers of human beings.
01:40:36.000 If you get a certain number of people, there's a certain percentage of those people that are going to be a problem.
01:40:41.000 This is the problem with cops.
01:40:43.000 It's not that cops are bad people.
01:40:45.000 So when you say fuck cops, you're crazy.
01:40:47.000 You're gonna need cops, okay?
01:40:49.000 If something goes wrong at 4 o'clock in the morning, you want the man who has the courage to stand there with the bulletproof vest and shoot at the bad guys.
01:40:56.000 It's the, you know, Sam...
01:40:58.000 Sam, what's his name from Three Billboards, you know?
01:41:00.000 It was such a good role.
01:41:02.000 You know what I'm talking about in that movie?
01:41:03.000 Three Billboards.
01:41:05.000 Sam, who's in...
01:41:05.000 Sam...
01:41:06.000 God, he's so great.
01:41:08.000 The actor?
01:41:09.000 Yeah, he was in...
01:41:09.000 I did not see that movie.
01:41:10.000 Hitchhiker's Guide from the Galaxy.
01:41:12.000 Sam Elliott.
01:41:12.000 Sam Elliott.
01:41:12.000 No, no, no, no.
01:41:13.000 No, we love...
01:41:14.000 Not Sam Elliott.
01:41:16.000 That's a good one, though.
01:41:17.000 Sometimes they borrow it to you.
01:41:19.000 No, Sam...
01:41:20.000 What else do you have?
01:41:21.000 We're playing charades.
01:41:22.000 He was in Hitchhiker's Guide from the Galaxy.
01:41:23.000 He was in a great movie called Joshua.
01:41:26.000 He was...
01:41:28.000 Zephod Beeblebrox or whatever.
01:41:30.000 What is it, Jamie?
01:41:32.000 Three billboards.
01:41:33.000 Sam Rockwell!
01:41:35.000 Dude, that role is amazing.
01:41:37.000 He's in that movie The Moon.
01:41:39.000 Oh, yeah, I love it.
01:41:41.000 Bowie's Kid did.
01:41:42.000 Have you met Bowie's Kid?
01:41:43.000 No.
01:41:43.000 The Duncan Jones?
01:41:44.000 I've never met him, but he's awesome.
01:41:47.000 That movie was awesome.
01:41:47.000 Is that what it's called?
01:41:48.000 The Moon?
01:41:49.000 Just Moon.
01:41:50.000 That was great.
01:41:51.000 I met him because he was dating Leslie Bibb.
01:41:55.000 Yeah, they're married now.
01:41:57.000 They were dating back then.
01:41:58.000 When I worked with her in a movie, I did a Kevin James movie Zookeeper with her.
01:42:03.000 I was her ex-boyfriend who was a douchebag.
01:42:06.000 I saw that.
01:42:07.000 Fun, fun movie.
01:42:08.000 Dude, she's super cool, man.
01:42:09.000 You want to talk about someone who's funny?
01:42:11.000 That girl from Talladega Nights.
01:42:12.000 Jenny Johnson's friends with her.
01:42:13.000 They hang out a lot.
01:42:13.000 Oh, that makes sense.
01:42:15.000 She's super fucking cool.
01:42:17.000 Really smart, too.
01:42:19.000 But I met Rockwell there, and that was the thing that really got to me.
01:42:24.000 Like, dude, that movie, Moon, is fucking amazing.
01:42:27.000 That movie, Moon, it is a movie...
01:42:30.000 This is how unusual this movie is.
01:42:32.000 There are no other actors.
01:42:34.000 I know.
01:42:35.000 It's amazing.
01:42:36.000 It's Sam Rockwell through the whole movie.
01:42:38.000 Didn't Martian feel like a diet moon when you saw it?
01:42:43.000 I felt that way.
01:42:45.000 I didn't because it was different.
01:42:47.000 It was more about the hazards of colonization and without giving anything away with this movie.
01:42:54.000 I can't give anything away because this movie is a mindfuck at the end.
01:42:58.000 It's a mindfuck the whole way.
01:43:00.000 It's a mindfuck.
01:43:01.000 I thought it was a diet Martian.
01:43:03.000 I thought the Martian was a diet man.
01:43:05.000 Maybe.
01:43:06.000 I thought it was just another...
01:43:07.000 Well, listen, man.
01:43:08.000 There's nothing wrong with doing a take on someone colonizing another planet.
01:43:12.000 We have to be real careful about that.
01:43:14.000 No, no, no.
01:43:15.000 It's completely separate.
01:43:16.000 It was a book and everything.
01:43:17.000 Just for me, in my eight-year-old movie going and seeing in person, I was like...
01:43:22.000 Man, it's good, but it wasn't like Moon.
01:43:24.000 I know, but I have this problem with people are scared to do those fucking space movies.
01:43:29.000 Do some more goddamn space movies.
01:43:31.000 You know what I watch?
01:43:32.000 I watch it on the plane over here.
01:43:33.000 I watch Alien Covenant again.
01:43:35.000 Love it.
01:43:35.000 I've seen it five times.
01:43:37.000 Actually, every plane flight I take, I already have them downloaded on this fucking iPhone.
01:43:41.000 And I watch Prometheus and that back and forth.
01:43:44.000 You should go to jail for watching Alien Covenant on an iPhone.
01:43:46.000 I know, but you know what?
01:43:47.000 I got it.
01:43:48.000 It's there.
01:43:49.000 I don't have to have the internet.
01:43:50.000 Right.
01:43:51.000 And I have to pay for it.
01:43:52.000 If it's on the thing, I'll watch it.
01:43:53.000 You ever use that on Apple TV where you stream it from your phone to your TV? Yeah, I know, I know.
01:43:57.000 That's incredible.
01:43:57.000 That's a lot of work.
01:43:58.000 What?
01:43:59.000 That's a lot of work.
01:43:59.000 Takes two swipes.
01:44:00.000 I know, I know.
01:44:04.000 But look, I feel like that Alien Covenant was such a fucking good movie.
01:44:09.000 So good, man.
01:44:10.000 And they like canceled or something.
01:44:13.000 I heard he had another one, Alien Awakening, which was supposed to deal with the time before, after Prometheus and into Alien Covenant.
01:44:21.000 It was supposed to be the ship ride or whatever.
01:44:23.000 And I'm like, and they were going to shut it down?
01:44:26.000 They're crazy.
01:44:26.000 Here's what happens, man, when you get to a certain level of money when you're investing in those kind of films.
01:44:31.000 There's a threshold.
01:44:32.000 Yeah, there's a threshold because they're so expensive to make.
01:44:36.000 There's so much CGI and so much chaos and special effects and...
01:44:41.000 And Alien Covenant had a great fucking plot, too.
01:44:44.000 I mean, everything was great.
01:44:46.000 There were so many twists and turns, and the aliens were terrifying.
01:44:49.000 They explained them.
01:44:51.000 I mean, there was so much to it.
01:44:53.000 It was really fucking good.
01:44:54.000 But the problem is, Prometheus, for a lot of people, was less than what they wanted.
01:45:01.000 It wasn't that it was a bad movie.
01:45:02.000 I really liked it.
01:45:03.000 I thought it was fantastic.
01:45:04.000 But they were setting some shit up, and it didn't do that well.
01:45:07.000 And we were spending...
01:45:08.000 I don't know how much the fuck they spent on those movies, but they're super, super expensive.
01:45:12.000 It's one of them.
01:45:12.000 I mean, Aliens 2 is James Cameron.
01:45:14.000 This is like Blade Runner-level shit, in my opinion, in the sense where, at first, it doesn't seem like it's a massive thing, but it's just like, for life, it's that.
01:45:21.000 Like, Prometheus is fantastic.
01:45:23.000 And the question that it opens, and the second piece where...
01:45:28.000 I gotta shout out to Blake Judd, because he said, hey, man...
01:45:30.000 You're going to see it, but you're going to leave and you're going to be mad because you're going to have way more questions than before.
01:45:35.000 And then I told the same thing to Sturgill.
01:45:37.000 He was like, I'm about to go see Covenant.
01:45:38.000 I was like, dude, you're going to be mad.
01:45:41.000 I wasn't mad at all.
01:45:42.000 No, I'm just saying because I want to see the next one.
01:45:44.000 I want to know more.
01:45:45.000 You still don't know the engineer thing.
01:45:47.000 They seeded.
01:45:47.000 That was just one of their planets, like our planet.
01:45:50.000 That they seated and they went there.
01:45:52.000 So you're like, the next one should, or at least like the finishing story, they said they want to make a War of the Worlds kind of thing, where it was like all of a sudden these people descend and it's the two opposing kind of parties, which is the David side and then maybe us.
01:46:11.000 I think that's brilliant writing.
01:46:16.000 It's fucking fantastic.
01:46:17.000 Well, what you got to realize is that movie, the original Alien, goes back to 1979. Sigourney Weaver.
01:46:24.000 When she was as hot as the surface of the sun.
01:46:27.000 And she was running.
01:46:28.000 She's the original feminist superhero.
01:46:30.000 Sigourney Weaver is the fucking original badass woman in movies fucking up monsters.
01:46:37.000 She's the original.
01:46:39.000 All these other movies that came afterwards, whether they're fun, you love them, Resident Evil type shit, or who was that?
01:46:45.000 Kate Beckinsale chick who was a vampire kicking people in the head.
01:46:48.000 I never saw those.
01:46:49.000 Underworld.
01:46:49.000 All those super badass chicks in movies.
01:46:52.000 They all owe Sigourney Weaver.
01:46:55.000 She was believable, man.
01:46:58.000 She was a scientist.
01:46:59.000 A scientist or whatever the fuck her job was on that spaceship.
01:47:03.000 And she was the only one who lived in that movie.
01:47:05.000 Spoiler alert, it's 1979. I'm sure you've already seen it.
01:47:09.000 But in that movie, they were worried about artificial intelligence.
01:47:13.000 That's amazing.
01:47:14.000 H.R. Geiger designed all that shit, the space jockey and all that.
01:47:17.000 But just stop and think about, they were worried about artificial intelligence back in 1979. And that's like, when you talk to Elon Musk, it's like one of his primary concerns.
01:47:27.000 No, he's supposed to do the podcast.
01:47:29.000 I was in his physical presence at the UFC, but I didn't get a chance to communicate with him.
01:47:35.000 He was with his lady, but we had been going back and forth through email, so it was extra weird.
01:47:40.000 But I'm working.
01:47:41.000 When I'm doing the commentary, man, I'm trying to be...
01:47:44.000 I don't want to suck.
01:47:45.000 People get mad at me.
01:47:46.000 I try to do my best.
01:47:47.000 I try to focus.
01:47:49.000 I can't go, Yo, Elon!
01:47:50.000 What's up?
01:47:51.000 Dude, these fights are crazy, bro!
01:47:55.000 There's no real room for that.
01:47:57.000 But he's worried about artificial intelligence more than anything.
01:48:00.000 You're talking about a super genius that has an electric car company, a rocket ship company.
01:48:05.000 He's drilling holes under the fucking ground.
01:48:07.000 He sells flamethrowers.
01:48:08.000 I mean, get the fuck out of here.
01:48:10.000 If this is the guy that's worried about artificial intelligence, we should be paying attention.
01:48:14.000 And if you go back to...
01:48:17.000 By the way, there was an article, I want to say it was the LA Times, that compared Elon Musk to Donald Trump.
01:48:24.000 It was like one of the most click-baity articles.
01:48:26.000 They're fighting for their lives out there, man!
01:48:29.000 These fucking journalists, they're fighting for their lives!
01:48:32.000 Good for them.
01:48:33.000 They gotta get those clicks!
01:48:35.000 God, I'm all tangled up in this thing.
01:48:37.000 Your chain?
01:48:38.000 Man, I love guys who are crazy and ambitious and make shit.
01:48:44.000 Like, Elon Musk, whatever is happening with him...
01:48:46.000 The fact that he's like Whatever, I'll figure it out later.
01:48:49.000 You just let it go and figure it itself out.
01:48:51.000 That's what's amazing.
01:48:52.000 As soon as you let it go, that's how high you are.
01:48:54.000 Thanks, man.
01:48:54.000 You thought you were tangled.
01:48:55.000 You're not even tangled.
01:48:56.000 You're like making it tangled.
01:48:57.000 Man, I'm a bro.
01:48:57.000 I'm not that hard.
01:48:58.000 You gotta break free, bro.
01:48:59.000 You gotta break free of these chains.
01:49:01.000 No, I just like guys.
01:49:03.000 You know what?
01:49:03.000 I'll talk about Sturgill for a minute.
01:49:05.000 I have to shout out to the Blocktronics crew, my antsy artist.
01:49:11.000 I was talking about computers and BBSs and Blocktronics are an antsy artist group.
01:49:16.000 They're great.
01:49:17.000 Sturgill.
01:49:18.000 It's so cool to watch him come up and he's got this kind of angle.
01:49:27.000 I just love watching him on your show and I just have to say us hanging out and everything all these years later.
01:49:33.000 He just has a sense where I feel like, wow, there's a rocket ship in this universe and we kind of speak the same language and it's like a cool vibe kind of having another dude out there who Who has the same sensibilities and like when we hang out,
01:49:49.000 you and me and him and everything, I feel like it's, you know what I mean?
01:49:55.000 I know what you mean.
01:49:56.000 He's a bad motherfucker.
01:49:58.000 I'm honored to be his friend too.
01:50:00.000 I'm honored to be your friend too, man.
01:50:03.000 For real.
01:50:03.000 I'm honored to be your friend.
01:50:04.000 You took me, I came to go see you play and you took us in and then Dave Chappelle played right after you're like, oh yeah, hey, my friend Dave's gonna do a thing and then he came up.
01:50:13.000 You killed it, and then he killed it, and that was crazy, man.
01:50:16.000 That was awesome.
01:50:17.000 We're all lucky to know each other.
01:50:18.000 It's fun.
01:50:20.000 It's fun to know cool people.
01:50:21.000 But Sturgill has got some new shit coming out, man.
01:50:24.000 He shared some stuff with me.
01:50:25.000 He sent me some images and explained what he's doing.
01:50:29.000 I can't wait to hear it.
01:50:30.000 It sounds fantastic.
01:50:31.000 It's going to be a while.
01:50:32.000 Oh, yeah.
01:50:32.000 He sent me some little clips of his record.
01:50:34.000 I'm super stoked.
01:50:34.000 I can't say nothing about it.
01:50:36.000 I'm on fucking super stoked.
01:50:37.000 I accidentally leaked the title of his last album.
01:50:43.000 Accidentally.
01:50:43.000 Say this guy?
01:50:44.000 He sent it to me in advance.
01:50:45.000 And I put it up on Instagram.
01:50:47.000 And I said, this new Sturgill Simpson shit is off the charts.
01:50:50.000 I didn't know you didn't.
01:50:50.000 Yes, I did.
01:50:51.000 I didn't know.
01:50:52.000 And then he's like, dude, you fucked up.
01:50:55.000 I was like, oh no!
01:50:56.000 And he was laughing.
01:50:57.000 He thought it was funny.
01:50:58.000 It looked like it just let people know about something awesome early.
01:51:01.000 But I was listening to it in the gym.
01:51:03.000 And while I was listening to it, I was in the middle of sets.
01:51:05.000 And I was like, god damn, this is good.
01:51:07.000 And then I just, I gotta Instagram this shit.
01:51:09.000 And I Instagrammed it.
01:51:10.000 I didn't know him.
01:51:12.000 Hey, that's cool, dude.
01:51:13.000 You did the same thing with my old record.
01:51:14.000 You put a picture of it up.
01:51:16.000 You just screen-grabbed your phone.
01:51:19.000 Yeah.
01:51:19.000 No, I like to do that, man.
01:51:21.000 I appreciate it.
01:51:22.000 Hey, man, I appreciate your music, for real.
01:51:24.000 Thanks.
01:51:24.000 I was in Italy, and I was about to work out.
01:51:28.000 You know how you have those iPhones where they have that little cord with a button?
01:51:33.000 You can press the button, and it'll just start playing whatever you got on your iPhone?
01:51:36.000 It just goes right to Cool Mo D. I go to work.
01:51:39.000 You know that song, I go to work?
01:51:42.000 I go to work like a boxer, you know, it's like it's a great like I go to work song So I'm about to work out and this fucking song comes on almost like the universe is letting you know look dude Just just don't try to think this through too much Just press that button the songs there.
01:52:01.000 I don't know why it's there You don't know why it's there either stop thinking about it, but it's there right when you needed it that songs there I go to work And then you go to work.
01:52:10.000 It's weird.
01:52:11.000 This is theater.
01:52:12.000 This whole thing is theater in some sort of strange way.
01:52:15.000 Summer camp.
01:52:15.000 Yeah.
01:52:16.000 There's some part of life that's seriously theater.
01:52:20.000 Right, man.
01:52:21.000 I mean, to me, the older I get, I just feel like the more appreciative for, like, my dumber self for having gotten through it without more damage being done.
01:52:33.000 Right.
01:52:33.000 So at this point in time, you know, like, I just really appreciate everybody who puts an effort into life.
01:52:41.000 You know what I mean?
01:52:42.000 Yeah.
01:52:45.000 It's like you just...
01:52:46.000 I don't know.
01:52:47.000 It's like you and this show and how you've had this awesome career.
01:52:51.000 And then I only met you the first time when I came on this show, and I smoked pot in the parking lot, and I was kind of out of it.
01:52:57.000 And I was like, oh, and I came here and didn't even bring a record.
01:53:00.000 That's why this time I was like, I had to make sure we had a record.
01:53:03.000 My record's called Shooter.
01:53:04.000 It's out now.
01:53:04.000 I have to say something.
01:53:05.000 I didn't talk about it at all.
01:53:07.000 John Hensley, my manager back then, he called me and said, you didn't even talk about the record once.
01:53:13.000 And I was like, shit, I don't know, man.
01:53:15.000 We just got talking.
01:53:16.000 I mean, that's how it is with you, you know, but I love doing that with you because it's like, I'll go down the rabbit hole, man.
01:53:22.000 I'll go down the Alex Jones rabbit hole.
01:53:24.000 I think people are scared to do that.
01:53:26.000 I don't think there's anything wrong with having thoughts.
01:53:29.000 I think we've got to stop yelling at people.
01:53:31.000 We've got to stop yelling.
01:53:32.000 I think the anger that we express towards each other forces anger in return when it's not always necessary.
01:53:40.000 Sometimes it's necessary.
01:53:42.000 Sometimes you see Nazis in Charlottesville and you've got to go, hey, you dumb fucks.
01:53:46.000 Are you out of your fucking mind?
01:53:47.000 You really want to categorize people by race.
01:53:50.000 This is 2018. You gotta stop.
01:53:52.000 This is some stupid shit.
01:53:54.000 I think the positive look at all of that is the numbers of those kind of insane people have dwindled to a point.
01:53:59.000 Because I remember when I was a kid and there would be like still Klan people and stuff.
01:54:04.000 Which is the argument for free speech.
01:54:06.000 The argument for free speech is ultimately people figured out and it balances out.
01:54:11.000 And it does.
01:54:12.000 I think it does.
01:54:13.000 And it doesn't totally because...
01:54:15.000 Let's just be completely honest.
01:54:17.000 Some people do a terrible job raising children, and these children go out into the world, and they're just causing damage everywhere they go.
01:54:23.000 They're on fire, and they're just running through dry bushes their entire life, right?
01:54:27.000 They're creating chaos, and it's from what set them off when they were young, how they evolved.
01:54:34.000 To expect everyone to have the same starting point and be judged on your emotional behavior, Your impulsiveness, your dishonesty, or your discipline, to be judged on those as if you all started from the same spot on the board is just crazy.
01:54:54.000 It's just crazy.
01:54:55.000 This is part of what we do.
01:54:57.000 We judge based on results only.
01:55:00.000 And when we see someone who fucked up, we don't go, okay, what happened to this person that made them so fucking crazy?
01:55:05.000 Like, is it really their fault?
01:55:06.000 Or is there a series of events that lead to you being who you are right now?
01:55:10.000 And maybe we should remap it.
01:55:12.000 Maybe we should remap it and just look at it in a different way and say, We definitely don't want that result again, ever, right?
01:55:19.000 We've got to figure out why you got to that result.
01:55:21.000 What made you break into the bank and put a gun in someone's face?
01:55:24.000 How did you get there?
01:55:26.000 That's true.
01:55:26.000 It's like Manson said in the Bowling for Columbine.
01:55:28.000 They said, what would you say to the Columbine killers?
01:55:31.000 He said, I would ask them their opinion, because it seems like nobody asked them their opinion.
01:55:37.000 You know what I mean?
01:55:38.000 Yeah, ask them what the fuck happened.
01:55:40.000 Are they both dead?
01:55:41.000 They're both dead, right?
01:55:43.000 Well, it's tough to ask them their opinion.
01:55:45.000 It doesn't make a lot of sense.
01:55:47.000 Ask someone who broke.
01:55:50.000 What made you break?
01:55:51.000 We've all broken in little ways in our lives, and we've all lived through it, and we all appreciate other people who have done the same thing.
01:55:58.000 And when you get to a point when you get old enough where you realize you can watch when someone Yeah.
01:56:07.000 Yeah.
01:56:12.000 Yeah.
01:56:15.000 Yeah.
01:56:16.000 Yeah.
01:56:32.000 It's about compassion.
01:56:33.000 It's about compassion and stability.
01:56:36.000 It's about recognizing the best times come when we're nice to each other.
01:56:40.000 If you go to a bar and there's a bunch of strange dudes you never met in your life, and an hour later you guys are high-fiving and laughing and hugging each other and you're buying rounds, that's a great time.
01:56:50.000 Or you can go to a bar and someone wants to get in a dick-waving competition, next thing you know you got hit in the back of the head by a chair.
01:56:55.000 That's possible too.
01:56:56.000 Right.
01:56:57.000 Both things are possible.
01:56:58.000 You know when one feels way better?
01:57:00.000 The one that feels way better is the one where you meet a bunch of new friends.
01:57:03.000 And these guys who you never met before are now your buddies.
01:57:06.000 And then you realize, like, I just ran into a fucking bunch of awesome dudes who are now some of my favorite people ever.
01:57:12.000 And if I didn't go out that night, who knows what would have happened?
01:57:14.000 Just randomly ran into a group of amazing people and it changed the course of your whole life.
01:57:19.000 Right.
01:57:19.000 That's possible too, man.
01:57:20.000 But we've got to be that friend at the bar.
01:57:22.000 We've got to be that new friend at the bar.
01:57:24.000 It's possible to do that, man.
01:57:27.000 I think a lot of it is just the way we think of each other.
01:57:30.000 There's a problem in our operating system.
01:57:33.000 We have an ultra-competitive operating system and things we shouldn't be competitive in.
01:57:39.000 And I think part of the reason is we've lost a lot of competitiveness in life.
01:57:43.000 I think people were competitive in life in ways where they were fighting for their survival, right?
01:57:48.000 They're fighting neighboring tribes in the most brutal and primitive of days.
01:57:51.000 Social media.
01:57:52.000 Yeah, and then as things changed and moved forward, that got less and less physical and more and more mental, and the body got frustrated.
01:58:00.000 I think this is part of what's happening along the way.
01:58:02.000 And then people started looking for competition in business.
01:58:05.000 You ever hear weirdo business guys talk, we're going to fucking stuff their contract right up their fucking asses!
01:58:10.000 They get all crazy like they're starting a war, man.
01:58:13.000 You know, like super hyper hyped up business guys.
01:58:17.000 Yeah, my competition has always been disparaging me with unique remarks about my past.
01:58:21.000 You know, they get fucking so...
01:58:24.000 They want to kill the competition.
01:58:26.000 Those people are weird, man.
01:58:28.000 They're weird.
01:58:29.000 They're focusing on it the wrong way.
01:58:31.000 That's some dinosaur shit.
01:58:33.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:58:34.000 Well, that's the money thing.
01:58:35.000 That's like if you're in the money game.
01:58:37.000 Yeah, but you don't have to do that to be in the—even in the money game, you don't have to do that anymore.
01:58:41.000 I guess.
01:58:42.000 I mean, you're right.
01:58:43.000 But if you do—you know what I mean.
01:58:46.000 I get it.
01:58:46.000 You do something you love.
01:58:47.000 You pursue angles like you chose to pursue lots—like, similar to me, we're similar in this way.
01:58:53.000 Like, you chose to pursue all these little different angles of the universe that are in the entertainment business.
01:58:59.000 But they are also, like, things you love, like the UFC and then, you know, all the different little—I mean— You've had so many different little angles that you've occupied to land up here, where you get to just talk about all the shit that you love.
01:59:14.000 Yeah, but dude, it doesn't make sense even to me.
01:59:16.000 I wake up in the morning, like today, I wake up, I go and work out, and I'm sitting there going, what am I doing?
01:59:21.000 Dude, look at this place!
01:59:23.000 It's fucking awesome!
01:59:24.000 It's crazy.
01:59:26.000 Honestly, I would love to just – You wake up in the morning like, how does this happen?
01:59:28.000 I'm the same way.
01:59:29.000 You have an archery thing.
01:59:30.000 I would have old computers in that wall and I would have like a pinball machine and a bunch of old arcade games.
01:59:35.000 I have my own taste.
01:59:36.000 But like you got – honestly, it's a – you have found your path and it's awesome and you're compassionate and you're here and you weren't in it.
01:59:46.000 If you were in it for the money, you'd be somewhere else.
01:59:50.000 You're in it for what you like to do.
01:59:52.000 I don't even know what I'm doing.
01:59:53.000 I don't know why I'm in it.
01:59:53.000 You're talking for me right now.
01:59:56.000 You're giving more thought to it in the last couple seconds.
01:59:58.000 You're going to cook eight eggs in the morning.
01:59:59.000 You're going to be a great dad.
02:00:00.000 And then you're going to go do what you love to do and come home.
02:00:03.000 And that's awesome.
02:00:05.000 I just do what the Great Magnet compels me to do.
02:00:07.000 I'm merely metal filings, moving through the universe, headed towards the Great Magnet.
02:00:12.000 Let's get metaphysical now, in the last 10 minutes.
02:00:14.000 For sure.
02:00:15.000 I've decided, one of the things I've been thinking about recently, especially over the last, like, maybe 10 years of my life, I've decided way less things than I did in the first years of my life.
02:00:25.000 It seems to me things just sort of happen.
02:00:28.000 It's like the reverse of the Bob Seger thing.
02:00:30.000 Working on our night moves?
02:00:33.000 Trying to make some front page traveling news.
02:00:36.000 Yeah, my kids excel past me already all the time.
02:00:40.000 Just yesterday.
02:00:41.000 I mean, they tricked me and they do things and they're smarter and they're, you know, nothing I could do could impress them more than what they can do by watching what I can do and doing it better.
02:00:51.000 Well, how about when they do, they fucking grab electronics, they figure it out, they're like, give me that, you don't know how to do this, you gotta go into settings, then you go down here, and you're like, you're eight.
02:00:58.000 How the fuck can you do this?
02:00:59.000 My daughter programs in Minecraft, you can program these red blocks.
02:01:04.000 You gotta use a VPN, you get blocked.
02:01:06.000 What?
02:01:07.000 Oh yeah, oh yeah.
02:01:08.000 I have to shout out to my IRC people.
02:01:11.000 Oh, yeah.
02:01:12.000 IRC? You still use IRC? Oh, yeah.
02:01:13.000 I'm still on it.
02:01:14.000 Damn, son.
02:01:15.000 Do you have a ham radio in your backyard?
02:01:17.000 There is a BCR, my record label that I own with Adam.
02:01:21.000 There's a BCR IRC server.
02:01:23.000 What is a BCR? BCR is Black Country Rock.
02:01:26.000 It's the label that I put out.
02:01:28.000 This record's on Elektra through LCS and Dave Cobb, his label.
02:01:32.000 Yep, there we go.
02:01:34.000 I keep looking at the cameras that are not this place.
02:01:37.000 Yeah, the camera's on.
02:01:38.000 It's too freaky.
02:01:39.000 We used to have the cameras on while we were on, but it was too weird.
02:01:41.000 Yeah, probably.
02:01:42.000 Hard to be yourself.
02:01:44.000 I think they were on actually last time.
02:01:46.000 Yeah, it was too weird.
02:01:47.000 Too freaked everybody out.
02:01:48.000 Especially when we'd start getting high.
02:01:49.000 You're like, well, this is not right.
02:01:51.000 I don't want to know.
02:01:52.000 We have a thing called bcrbazaar.com.
02:01:56.000 And it's like a place where fans come and they talk and we have an IRC server.
02:02:00.000 So there's one all day and I'm on it all day and I talk to people.
02:02:03.000 That is so ridiculous.
02:02:03.000 You just gave people that out?
02:02:05.000 Now people are going to go there.
02:02:06.000 Good, I hope.
02:02:07.000 You're welcome, please.
02:02:08.000 I used to do IRC back in my Quake days.
02:02:11.000 Oh, yeah.
02:02:12.000 It was a great way to communicate.
02:02:13.000 Teams would communicate.
02:02:15.000 We'd give server addresses.
02:02:16.000 We're all going to meet up at the spot.
02:02:17.000 See, that shit was free as fuck.
02:02:18.000 The government didn't even know how to fucking trace a phone.
02:02:22.000 Literally, like...
02:02:23.000 Listen in on IRC back then like they had to pick up from the hackers like how to do it That was a very very different thing really a time when those all those message boards and all those things came up like Especially like the ability to you play games and talk to people in real time during games to do I'm one of the ways I learned how to type was from Learning how to type in game.
02:02:46.000 Yeah, right quick because you got to type quick quake one or like quick.
02:02:49.000 What was known?
02:02:50.000 I started with quake, too But I had them Quake 2 and Quake 3. Multiplayer option.
02:02:55.000 Quake 1. I mean, I was in Doom, so when Quake 1 came out, and Nine Inch Nails is my favorite band ever back then, and still was the influence for me.
02:03:06.000 He did the soundtrack to Quake.
02:03:07.000 I was like, holy shit!
02:03:09.000 It's funny that Misty, all these years later, she's like, I didn't have a computer, but I went and bought that soundtrack because Trent Reznor did it because she was into Nine Inch Nails.
02:03:17.000 I'm like, that's so hot.
02:03:18.000 She has the CD of it in our house still.
02:03:21.000 But anyway...
02:03:22.000 Man, I loved that.
02:03:24.000 And I used to do that, too.
02:03:25.000 And once the internet came on, I had a friend in Nashville, me and my buddy James and Greg.
02:03:30.000 Greg, this guy, ran a BBS, and he bought a Doom 2 server back then where it had four phone lines and modems in it, and we would dial in.
02:03:38.000 That's 56K days, son.
02:03:41.000 Yeah, totally.
02:03:41.000 And we would play Doom 2, and I was listening to like...
02:03:44.000 White Zombie, Astro Creep 2000. I was probably 14, 13. I'm just jamming this shit out, man.
02:03:51.000 I was such a nerd.
02:03:52.000 Still am, man.
02:03:53.000 If you saw my house, you gotta come over sometime, but I've got like My office is like 1993. We watch Laserdiscs.
02:03:59.000 We have like old computers and like old shit everywhere.
02:04:04.000 So it's kind of frozen in a weird technological phase that I love.
02:04:11.000 That's hilarious.
02:04:11.000 That's awesome, man.
02:04:13.000 Yeah, you've always been like really into like weird internet type shit.
02:04:17.000 Like you're really into cryptocurrencies.
02:04:20.000 Yeah, man.
02:04:21.000 There's a thing called Peep...
02:04:23.000 It's like Peep E-T-H. It's on Twitter or whatever, but it's a Twitter alternative.
02:04:29.000 It's like – it's just starting, but it's interesting.
02:04:33.000 What's it called?
02:04:33.000 Peep E-T-H? Well, Peep E-T-H is the – What does that mean?
02:04:37.000 Dot com is the thing.
02:04:38.000 It's like – kind of like Twitter, but it's built on the back of Ethereum and so every tweet – I'm not calling them tweets.
02:04:46.000 I should call it every message that you send on it, kind of like Twitter, is embedded in the blockchain of Ethereum.
02:04:54.000 Well, let's explain what this site says.
02:04:56.000 It says the values platform.
02:04:57.000 Hold on.
02:04:58.000 What did you do?
02:05:00.000 A blockchain powered social network for our best selves.
02:05:06.000 Yeah.
02:05:07.000 Well, because you can't delete anything.
02:05:10.000 Because it's permanently embedded and it's like I think up to 10 of your messages can be logged in one block of the Ethereum chain.
02:05:17.000 So you have to pay like a cent of it, but they give you some to begin with.
02:05:23.000 And then when somebody messages you, it's kind of a microtransaction to you.
02:05:27.000 So you have this kind of balance that's going all the time.
02:05:29.000 Wait a minute.
02:05:30.000 So do you have to open up an account or something?
02:05:31.000 No, no.
02:05:32.000 You get a cent?
02:05:33.000 You can do it without any involvement.
02:05:36.000 But the way it works is because it's in transactions on a blockchain in Ethereum.
02:05:41.000 It's permanently lodged in this permanent digital ledger in which that these transactions are what's making it happen.
02:05:49.000 So like if you...
02:05:50.000 You log in and verify yourself, they give you like 30 cents, because that starts you out to be able to just kind of permanently do this in.
02:05:57.000 So you don't have to do any...
02:05:58.000 It sounds complicated, but it's cool.
02:06:01.000 I'm not saying...
02:06:02.000 I don't know if it'll become like the next Rage, but technologically, it's really fucking fun and cool.
02:06:07.000 You might be launching it right now.
02:06:09.000 Go back to that page again and expand on the right-hand side where it shows you all the different categories and the different values.
02:06:16.000 Look at this.
02:06:17.000 Make that larger.
02:06:18.000 Rethinking social media.
02:06:20.000 Bringing out our best with opinionated features and immutability.
02:06:27.000 Yeah.
02:06:28.000 How often do you hear that word?
02:06:29.000 It's permanent.
02:06:30.000 What does that mean?
02:06:31.000 The ability to not mute, I believe.
02:06:34.000 Immutability.
02:06:35.000 So you can't mute people.
02:06:36.000 Okay.
02:06:37.000 We'll need to Google that in a moment.
02:06:39.000 Contact is openly and forever accessible on the Ethereum blockchain and IPFS, whatever that is.
02:06:47.000 Thoughtful.
02:06:47.000 It says permanent and creative constraints encourage mindful and self-aware peeps.
02:06:54.000 Okay, that was like a haiku.
02:06:57.000 That's like a fucking poem.
02:06:59.000 Listen to this again.
02:07:03.000 Permanence and creative.
02:07:04.000 Constraints encourage mindful and self-aware peeps.
02:07:08.000 That's...
02:07:09.000 Hey, what is that?
02:07:10.000 I just stumbled across it, but I love it.
02:07:12.000 I love the technology.
02:07:13.000 I do too, but I mean, that was...
02:07:15.000 I don't understand what they just said.
02:07:17.000 Responsible.
02:07:18.000 Charity badges prevent suffering and inspire others.
02:07:21.000 1,178 mosquito nets purchased so far.
02:07:25.000 Oh, that's amazing.
02:07:26.000 So they're purchasing mosquito nets.
02:07:30.000 No, that has to do with the actual platform, I think.
02:07:33.000 Oh, so it's not a real mosquito net?
02:07:34.000 No, I don't think so.
02:07:35.000 Oh.
02:07:35.000 I've never looked at this website.
02:07:38.000 I just found it through a thing.
02:07:39.000 No, they are.
02:07:40.000 They're buying mosquito badges to prevent malaria.
02:07:45.000 I'm getting paid because I had to go to Conan.
02:07:47.000 Oh, it's over.
02:07:48.000 I know.
02:07:48.000 I don't want it to be over.
02:07:49.000 It's 3 o'clock.
02:07:49.000 I don't want it to be over either.
02:07:51.000 Shooter, we've got to do this again.
02:07:52.000 Yeah, I love it.
02:07:53.000 Come on, man.
02:07:53.000 I love it.
02:07:54.000 I have to find this, right?
02:07:55.000 Yeah.
02:07:56.000 I'm glad you started off that controversial subject of the Alex Jones thing, and I'm really glad that Bill Maher went on a ledge and said that even if you don't agree with someone, you're not supposed to silence their speech.
02:08:08.000 You know, I just don't think people are supposed to be alone yelling into the wilderness.
02:08:12.000 I agree.
02:08:13.000 I think that's part of the problem.
02:08:14.000 The mob mentality thing is a problem.
02:08:16.000 But even him!
02:08:17.000 I don't think you're supposed to be able to do that.
02:08:18.000 I don't think he's supposed to be alone yelling off into the abyss.
02:08:22.000 My wife's calling me now.
02:08:24.000 She's telling you.
02:08:25.000 Everyone's freaking out.
02:08:26.000 Misty, I love you.
02:08:27.000 Everyone's freaking the fuck out.
02:08:28.000 It's just time, ladies and gentlemen.
02:08:30.000 It's a way of measuring distance.
02:08:32.000 Thank you for having me.
02:08:33.000 Shooter Jennings, you're the shit.
02:08:33.000 I love you so much.
02:08:34.000 I love you too, brother.
02:08:35.000 Shooter, it's out now.
02:08:36.000 ShooterJennings.com.
02:08:37.000 This shit's vinyl.
02:08:39.000 Old school, son.
02:08:41.000 All right.
02:08:41.000 Respect.
02:08:43.000 All right.
02:08:44.000 Love you.