In this episode, I sit down with my son Jordan Peterson to talk about his father, Dr. Michael Peterson, who is a professor at the University of Southern California and is one of the most well-known people in the world. We talk about what it was like growing up with him as a kid and how he became so famous. We also talk about how the media portrays him and what it's like to be a dad to someone who is so controversial. And of course, we talk about the New York Times and how they have a problem with fact checking their own stories and what they should be doing to make sure they are factually correct. We also discuss how the mainstream media doesn't have a real objective source of information and why it's important to have a good independent source of truth. And we discuss the importance of alternative media and how it can help push back against the establishment news outlets. Thank you so much to Jordan Peterson for coming on the show and being so open and honest with us about his dad and his views on so many controversial topics. I really appreciate it. I hope you enjoy this episode and I hope it makes you think about your dad and your dad a lot more like Jordan does. I love you, dad! -Jon Sorrentino and I are proud of you. -J.V. and I appreciate you, Jordan Peterson. Thank you for being so honest and open and being honest and being a good at being honest. -Jon and I really hope you like it. Jon and I talk about all the truth and being objective and being open and transparent and being fair and being transparent and open about your truth and not being a little bit more than you know what you need to know that you're not being lied to be honest and you know you're going to have it all of that in this kind of thing. Thanks for listening and being kind and being genuine and being real and being vulnerable and being authentic and being your truth. -JORDAN P. P. & JORDAN R.S. BONUS CONTENT: Jordan Peterson - Thank you, Jon and JORDER MCCARTOLLY - JORDEN P. R. (JON & JOSH WELCOME, JON AND JAYE R. M. D. RYAN JEAN OKEYS AND JOSH M. LYNNE (JAYE) - JON M.
00:00:29.000I didn't realize it was weird until I went away to university and then kind of saw like just was away for a while and then when I came back to the house especially because the house is full of like paintings and masks and statues and like 32 different paint colors and I came back and was like oh maybe he's a bit eccentric.
00:01:19.000Yeah, it was super weird, especially how the media was portraying him and how what was actually happening at the events wasn't what was being portrayed in the media.
00:02:18.000I've talked about this before, but the issue is clicks.
00:02:22.000It's not just about what's the facts of the story.
00:02:25.000It's about these publications are struggling to stay alive.
00:02:29.000And one of the only ways that they can get people to click on stories is salacious headlines, make things really click-baity, and that's what they focus on.
00:02:39.000And they focus on negative aspects that are going to get people riled up.
00:02:43.000And I've talked to people who are writers who will write something, and then I'll talk to them, and I'll say, hey, man, this is not what we talked about or what happened.
00:02:52.000And they said, I'm going to be honest with you, I didn't even write that.
00:02:55.000The headline was completely written by the editor.
00:02:57.000So the editor came in, changed it all up, Change this, switch, put some dot, dot, dots out of things, you know, so cut off sentences so that they seemed more, you know, just more controversial than they really are because they didn't allow the counterpoint of,
00:03:14.000you know, sometimes you say something and then you say, or it could be this.
00:03:17.000Well, the or it could be this part is cut out.
00:03:19.000You know, they do things like that just to stay alive because I think I mean, really big publications, whether it's the New York Times or the Boston Globe, big publications are struggling for their life right now because people don't want to buy newspapers anymore.
00:03:35.000And getting people to read things online is very difficult.
00:03:38.000And you have to do something salacious.
00:03:41.000You have to do something that's enticing for them to click on it.
00:03:44.000Yeah, I guess, but wouldn't you say that's just driving them down?
00:05:09.000Just because you say it's a good idea and the culture agrees that it's a good idea for people to be monogamous, I don't necessarily think that that is going to help these guys at all.
00:05:19.000I don't think we know what's going to help those guys.
00:05:22.000Well, obviously they're all individuals and their situations vary.
00:05:28.000But what we're talking about for people like, what the fuck are they talking about?
00:05:31.000There was a quote in the New York Times where this woman was asking him what to do about these incels, which are involuntary celibates.
00:05:42.000And one of them had driven a car into a crowd of people and killed a bunch of people because he was frustrated because he couldn't find a mate.
00:05:50.000And your dad suggested that culturally enforced monogamy would be perhaps a solution for that.
00:05:59.000And then a bunch of people went crazy saying that women should sacrifice themselves and fuck these guys so that they don't drive cars into crowds.
00:06:20.000Those kind of articles, the editorial articles and opinion articles, it's a different thing than reporting on the news, right?
00:06:30.000Yeah, I thought, I thought, so honesty was always a big thing in our house and was like, don't lie, because if you lie, eventually the lie will surface and it'll be so much bigger than the hell you get from telling the truth.
00:06:43.000So I kind of just assumed that the media did that.
00:06:47.000Yeah, the world just worked like that.
00:07:00.000You're both on this wacky carnivore diet.
00:07:02.000And this is probably one of the most controversial things in relation to food today.
00:07:12.000When people discuss diets, you know, there's a lot of people that are vegetarian or vegan or trying ketogenic diets or paleo.
00:07:22.000But when you say carnivore, that is one of the ones where people just universally seem to step back, roll their eyes.
00:07:31.000Most people don't think it's a good idea.
00:07:34.000They don't even know why they don't think it's a good idea.
00:07:37.000And then you tell them about people like you or my friend Chris Bell, who has similar autoimmune issues, and he's had two hip replacements.
00:07:48.000He's only 36. And I think he had both of them done by the time he was 30, right?
00:07:54.000Pretty sure, because he's had them for quite a few years.
00:07:59.000Massive joint pain, all sorts of issue.
00:08:31.000And then I was put on immune suppressants in grade four.
00:08:34.000So I was actually the first kid in Canada to be put on this biologic called Enbrel.
00:08:39.000So I was on Enbrel and methotrexate forever, like leading up to the hip and ankle replacement, and they did help reduce some of the pain, but I still ended up with no cartilage in my joint and hip, my hip and ankle, when I was 17. And this is just from the effects of arthritis and the inflammation and swelling and just chew the cartilage up?
00:09:02.000So I wasn't even particularly swollen.
00:09:04.000I didn't have a very like inflammatory, visually inflammatory arthritis.
00:09:08.000So my rheumatologist who'd been at SickKids for 20 years said that I had the worst arthritis she'd ever seen.
00:09:54.000Well, okay, I'll give you a background of the path.
00:09:57.000We were very, like, science-oriented, especially Dad.
00:10:02.000So even though Mom kind of wanted to delve into diet and was like, we should go sugar-free or stop eating, you know, whatever, make sure you eat whole grains, like, all that stuff, we never gave diet a chance because there was no scientific evidence for it.
00:10:19.000So, I basically got sicker and sicker and sicker.
00:10:23.000And I ended up, by the time I got to university, I ended up with arthritis.
00:10:38.000That started when I was about 14. And so that was when I started university.
00:10:44.000And then my diet just got disastrous in university and I was like drinking all the time and eating like pizza and beer.
00:10:51.000And I gained like 30 pounds in the first year and ginger ale.
00:10:58.000Anyway, I gained about 30 pounds in the first year.
00:11:01.000My mental health declined even further.
00:11:03.000And I didn't really know what was going on.
00:11:06.000And then I started getting skin issues.
00:11:08.000So I started getting rashes, cystic acne.
00:11:10.000And I was like, okay, I can deal with like four really awful health problems, but I can't deal with things affecting my skin on top of that.
00:11:54.000I read a whole bunch about the effects of gluten on the gut and thought, oh, there's actually some evidence that gluten isn't good for people.
00:12:02.000Why didn't my doctor test me for celiac disease?
00:12:05.000Because celiac disease couples with autoimmune disorders all the time.
00:12:08.000They test type 1 kids for celiac disease.
00:12:12.000But for some reason, they don't test kids with arthritis for celiac disease.
00:12:16.000So I cut out gluten, and that kind of helped.
00:12:19.000Maybe like 20%, but it was hard to tell because it was the summer.
00:12:21.000I was like, maybe I'm just feeling better from the summer.
00:12:24.000My rash kind of went down, but it was still there.
00:12:27.000And then, so September 2015, my mom dragged me to a naturopath, and they gave me this sheet of foods and, like, try this elimination diet.
00:12:36.000And I looked at the sheet and thought, this doesn't make any sense.
00:12:38.000Like, why can I eat lemons and not oranges?
00:12:40.000And why are almonds on there, but other nuts are off?
00:12:43.000So I thought, okay, if I'm going to do an elimination diet, which I didn't believe in at all, I'll cut down to what I considered safe foods.
00:15:25.000And then 2015. And then I started trying to reintroduce foods because I was having cravings and I missed going out to eat with my friends and everything.
00:15:35.000So the first thing I tried to reintroduce was Sour Patch Candy because I was having really intense sugar.
00:17:15.000So at that point, I was eating rice occasionally, but it was mostly like broccoli, salad, chicken, beef, fish, olive oil, apple cider vinegar, salt, pepper.
00:17:29.000At that point, I was also eating pears and apples.
00:17:32.000So it was kind of like paleo, kind of.
00:17:56.000I thought the skin, maybe that was diet because of this gluten link.
00:18:00.000And then maybe because of the celiac gene that I got tested for, maybe the arthritis was part of that, but I never thought mood was associated with it.
00:19:27.000And then the next morning, the depression came back.
00:19:31.000And it came back like that was the worst depressive experience I've ever had.
00:19:37.000I was medication free and it came back in the morning and I got in the shower and I just like I bawled in the shower and thought how could I be so naive to think that my horrible autoimmune disorder and the depression and everything was caused by food like what an idiotic thing to think how could I be that hopeful and then I had to remind myself okay no We're good to
00:20:34.000So my brother drove me home and I was like on the verge of having a panic attack for no reason, right?
00:20:42.000It was just like my heart rate was increasing.
00:20:44.000I was trying to find my keys and I turned around to look at my brother In the car and his head was a like a kind of a demon this I know how this sounds but he had like a demon head for about a second and a half and he looked at me and then he turned and then it was my brother again.
00:21:06.000So I was standing at the- So you're hallucinating?
00:21:08.000For like a yeah about a second and a half.
00:22:12.000No, it was like, you know when it's really dark in a room, and I don't know if you've experienced this, but it's really dark in a room, and then you kind of see things in the dark?
00:22:42.000Okay, so you're freaking out, basically.
00:22:44.000So I'm freaking out, so I'm like, okay, that's not good.
00:22:46.000So I find my keys, and I go upstairs, and then I went into my bedroom, like, shut the blinds, turned on all the lights, and then, like, smoked as much weed as I could possibly smoke to try and calm myself down, and then hid under the blankets all night.
00:22:59.000I would think that would be the worst thing to do after you see a demon.
00:23:01.000You'd think that, but then if you smoke, I've had that comment before, but enough, and it calmed me down.
00:23:37.000I mean, I didn't eat soy again, but I went back to the initial diet I was eating.
00:23:41.000So essentially, just this one meal, this one great meal of soy threw you off for a couple weeks, radically.
00:23:48.000Yeah, like almost four, like three weeks.
00:23:51.000But after two weeks, it started getting better.
00:23:54.000But the symptoms were like, so this deplorable, the itching started, I had bloating, and then the depression came back.
00:24:01.000And then about a week later, my skin started breaking out.
00:24:06.000Maybe 10 days later my arthritis came back.
00:24:09.000So I wrote all my symptoms down every day because I was going crazy and I didn't know what was going on and I wanted to write it down to see what was going on.
00:25:01.000So, I decide, about a year later, I decide, hey, maybe I don't want to keep cycling in and out of all horrible autoimmune and mental problems.
00:25:08.000Maybe I'll just stick with the original diet.
00:27:34.000And so I googled, like out of desperation, I think I googled allergic to everything food-wise, something like that, into Google.
00:27:40.000And I found this story about Charlene Anderson, who's been mentioned a couple times, and she'd been diagnosed with Lyme disease and has been eating nothing but red meat for 18 years.
00:27:51.000And there are pictures of her family online.
00:29:22.000But I was still pretty skeptical because I thought maybe the reason the carnivore diet worked for people was because they just accidentally cut out everything that wasn't working for them.
00:29:33.000Processed foods, sugar, grains, all that.
00:29:36.000So I tried to reintroduce olives, like organic olives in olive oil.
00:29:59.000It's crazy, but then here's the thing.
00:30:01.000I started this blog, so the blogs don't eat that.
00:30:04.000And I started this blog because I thought, if for some reason there's someone else out there like me, and they're Googling these things, it'd be nice for them to know that they're not alone.
00:30:14.000And I've found other people like this, who are equally as sensitive.
00:32:19.000And then I started reading up on it after he discussed it with me.
00:32:24.000And it's something I never even considered before, but fast rising yeast and all these different Emulsifiers that they put in bread and various foods, they're terrible for you.
00:33:23.000I mean, okay, say, I mean, I guess I'm not a great example, but I mean, people start gaining weight if they're lucky when they're middle-aged, if they're unlucky when they're around 25 and they start gaining weight.
00:33:35.000I don't think it's from lack of exercise.
00:35:20.000But is that because they don't feel like running around?
00:35:22.000Because some people, like people who exercise, generally you have to put in a little bit of effort to make yourself go exercise, but a lot of people who are overweight and sick don't have enough energy to do that.
00:36:05.000You have to have real rigid requirements of yourself where you don't allow yourself to back out of things and you don't allow yourself to slack off.
00:36:15.000And I don't think people put those kind of requirements on themselves as if it is a daily principle of life, like what you must get done.
00:36:26.000You must brush your teeth, you must exercise for 45 minutes.
00:36:29.000And if you did that, I think you'd be healthier and happier and your body would perform more smoothly.
00:36:35.000And if you require your body to do things like that, I think it rises to the occasion.
00:36:40.000There are very few people that have that kind of discipline.
00:36:42.000So because of that, they come up with excuses.
00:36:45.000And excuses are a giant part of the problem.
00:36:48.000It's not simply a physical health issue.
00:37:14.000And if you're used to doing this, get in your car, sit down, drive to the office, sit down, go to the lunch, sit down, go to the board meeting, sit down, get in your car on the way home, sit down, get home in front of the TV, sit down.
00:39:27.000I just, from like my perspective, I've seen my dad and he was very like, you can see from the videos from 2014 before he started going low carb and everything, he was carrying about 50 extra pounds.
00:42:03.000But it's also like learning that, learning that and having that as a part of your daily life.
00:42:08.000It has to be, you know, again, I'm not talking about someone like you who's in the throes of this autoimmune disorder where you're getting your hip replaced at 17. I'm not talking about someone with like serious degenerative illness.
00:42:19.000I'm talking about just a regular person who's overweight.
00:42:45.000The lifestyles that people have are just...
00:42:47.000The human body is not designed to sit down all day and it's certainly not designed to be stuck in traffic and be in an office and just be fluorescent lights and just sitting there.
00:42:57.000In front of a fucking computer monitor, watching your soul get sucked through the LCD screen.
00:43:39.000So what do you think is holding them back?
00:43:42.000Well, I think if you're carrying around extra weight, like quite a bit of extra weight, and you say, I don't have enough energy, there's something serious going on that isn't just, oh, I have a few extra pounds.
00:43:52.000And I don't think we know exactly what that looks like.
00:43:55.000But a lot of that has to do with energy.
00:45:00.000Does it mean there's a thick, wet blanket over your life that you can't get out of?
00:45:04.000Yeah, it means there's a couple of things.
00:45:09.000It's impossible to think of when you're not depressed.
00:45:13.000But the closest I get to is if you're in a really, really stressful situation and a whole bunch of things go wrong at the same time, that stress you feel is kind of like a really, really mild version of being depressed.
00:45:24.000But being depressed is like if you look at something I think?
00:45:50.000But that's all you can think of all the time.
00:47:45.000And yeah, and then it was the itching came back, and the doom came in, this depression came in, and then that's weird and it hasn't happened very many times, but I got stuck with insomnia.
00:48:02.000It does know what it felt like, but I'm sure, you know, it's not physically possible to stay awake for that long, but I didn't feel like sleeping.
00:48:07.000What's the world record that someone's ever stayed awake?
00:48:51.000We were just still eating apples at that point, and it was a cider, and it had sulfites added, and I looked at it and thought, whatever, it's like parts per million sulfites, it'll be fine.
00:50:00.000The tranquilizer, like the idiopathic hypersomnia.
00:50:03.000It was like I was falling asleep during exams.
00:50:05.000I drove home on the highway one time when I was 22 and I was falling asleep at the wheel and I was like, oh my God, like I can't stay awake, passing out.
00:50:13.000And I like moved over into a lane and a truck came by and honked at me and I was like, oh my God, I'm going to die.
00:50:29.000And the Adderall, so I stopped taking the immune suppressants when I cut out gluten just to see how my arthritic flare-ups would go, if anything would happen.
00:50:38.000Then I got off of the antidepressants November 2015. And then my fatigue lifted in January 2016. So I got off the Adderall right away then.
00:50:51.000I was taking a lot and it was great when I was in that feeling like I was on tranquilizers.
00:50:57.000It was great, but once you don't need it, it's kind of awful being on that amount of amphetamine all the time.
00:51:02.000I know so many people that are on that shit.
00:51:04.000It's so disturbing to me how many people are taking that and they talk about their productivity and they're always...
00:51:11.000It makes you feel like you're being productive.
00:51:13.000I don't know if it actually makes you more productive.
00:51:16.000And it just destroys your short-term memory.
00:52:47.000Now, what kind of blood work are you getting while you're doing all this?
00:52:50.000Are you going and getting tested for nutritional deficiencies?
00:52:55.000Because one of the issues that many people who are nutritionists or who are studying biology have with this carnivore diet is that Just meat is very deficient in many, many nutrients.
00:53:10.000It's very deficient in vitamin C. It's deficient in several things that we think that you need in order to live.
00:55:14.000Yeah, I don't have testosterone readings.
00:55:17.000He also said that part of that might, you know, he and I have gone back and forth about this.
00:55:21.000He said part of that might have been had to do with taking the test when he had done like a very heavy weightlifting workout the day before.
00:55:30.000Like he'd done squats and deadlifts and all kinds of stuff.
00:55:32.000And so maybe broke his body down a bit.
00:55:35.000Well, it would be nice for a medical professional to take some of these groups of people doing this diet and just do a study so we could actually get some information.
00:57:08.000So I was doing no supplements so that I could see what happened.
00:57:13.000Also, I probably wouldn't recommend a high dose of vitamin D. I would just recommend supplementing with a normal dose of vitamin D. I think I'm just going to wait and see and get tested in a year.
00:57:25.000I'm not too concerned and see what happens because here's what's interesting.
00:57:29.000When I went to the low-carb diet, my B vitamins were low.
00:58:44.000That's fascinating because that's one of the ones I think people are deficient if you are on this diet.
00:58:50.000Well, I did some background reading because I thought people died of scurvy if they didn't eat vegetables, just like everybody thinks that.
00:59:09.000And I haven't been supplementing, but my vitamin C is totally fine.
00:59:12.000Yeah, Sean Baker sent me something about that, something along those lines, that some of the vitamin C that you're taking in is competing with glucose and that you need far less of it and it's far more effective.
00:59:29.000Are you choosing to eat grass-fed beef or do you care?
00:59:33.000So initially, I tried to get rid of all the variables because I didn't know what I was reacting to.
00:59:36.000So I was eating grass-fed, antibiotic-free, all that stuff.
00:59:40.000And now I'm eating, mostly I try to stay away from the antibiotic and hormone meat, but I'm eating grain-finished because it's just so much cheaper than grass-fed.
01:00:26.000But it's like, first of all, these flare-ups don't happen instantly, so it gives you enough time to freak out about if they're going to happen for a couple days.
01:01:37.000But she said the real issue is that your body's producing heat shock proteins.
01:01:42.000So whether it's infrared or regular, the real issue is your body's in this extreme 170 degree temperature, produces these cytokines and these cytokines?
01:02:39.000Once your body, I think that what that is, is your temperature normalizes, and your body temperature normalizes after you're out of that heat, and then everything's just like, ah.
01:06:24.000But they could have said, I don't know, they could have looked at the celiac thing.
01:06:28.000Then I would have at least been clued in that gluten was a problem and maybe just removing that would have been good enough.
01:06:33.000Well, it seems that the amount of research that they would have to do, I mean, think about how many different things you had to look at to come to that conclusion, the time you had to spend.
01:07:30.000I've found a Ben Greenfield, I think it was a transcription of a podcast he did with Rhonda, and something else very similar, which is information from Dr. Joel Kahn, that says only sunlight and far infrared saunas have been shown to Yeah.
01:08:40.000I think that's what they're getting at, but yeah, I don't know if that's the reason why.
01:08:43.000I don't know if people have to just quit after 20 minutes and they can't get to the 30. Well, people do, man.
01:08:47.000It does get uncomfortable, but if you get the same benefits and you could avoid the discomfort, why wouldn't you do that, right?
01:08:54.000It's just uncomfortable right before you start sweating and you're like, oh, I'm really hot.
01:08:58.000And then you start sweating and it's not as bad.
01:09:00.000There's a new company that's making an infrared sauna that you work out in.
01:09:05.000It's got a chin-up bar in and it's got all these resistance cables.
01:09:11.000The other part of this too, which is I'd have to go more into science, is that I don't know, is that the LEDs, like the infrared light, can penetrate your skin, whereas the heat maybe can't.
01:10:22.000I tried everything to get rid of these reactions faster like detoxification things or mostly just different weird different sort of detoxification things and nothing's helped except the sauna.
01:10:32.000They still last for as long but they're not as awful.
01:10:35.000So I was telling you that this guy Kevin Bass who is a PhD and a scientist and he contacted me and I contacted him.
01:10:46.000Put on my glasses so I can see better.
01:10:49.000And we went back and forth about this online.
01:10:54.000And so he sent me a bunch of stuff, what he thinks.
01:10:59.000And one of them is nutrient deficiency.
01:11:08.000Immunosuppression from nutrient deficiency.
01:11:12.000The idea is that maybe in having less nutrients and having less...
01:11:20.000Dietary immunosuppression via deficiency might be helping you.
01:11:28.000And he said basically crazier things have happened and that you reported still having symptoms when you get sick, even on a carnivore diet.
01:11:36.000And he said that it shows that the carnivore diet is a symptomatic treatment.
01:11:40.000It's not because she's removed the offending antigen.
01:12:22.000It says anything above 30 is okay for vitamin K2. Mine's 40. Everything above 70 is okay for vitamin A. Mine's 79. He said also that a lot of your symptoms, including joint destruction, fatigue, depression, etc., can be caused by the drugs that are used to treat rheumatoid arthritis.
01:12:40.000Although our rheumatoid arthritis came first, though.
01:13:27.000Nutritionists would like you guys to be freaking out and falling apart, and everybody seems to be doing well.
01:13:32.000I have a friend of mine who lives in San Diego who's been on the carnivore diet for a while, and he's a Navy SEAL. He said he feels fucking fantastic.
01:14:01.000I mean, I think it would depend on the foods.
01:14:03.000Yeah, it's like your body not having too much to manage and that people with autoimmune disorders and diseases having less to manage could potentially be what is benefiting you as well.
01:14:19.000I don't think it's less though because if you survived only off of soy you're not going to do well.
01:14:23.000I think it depends what you're eating.
01:14:25.000One of the things that he's saying too is that when you get sick, the systemic inflammation probably opens up your intestinal barrier which causes autoimmune systems to kick in again.
01:14:35.000He said the same thing happens with any food that causes your intestinal barrier to open up.
01:15:18.000It's one of the more interesting things is how people...
01:15:22.000They always want to attach all these other things to it, the environmental concerns and the concern for the health and welfare of these animals and that you're supporting factory farming.
01:16:56.000And I feel like this is something that we're going to have more insight on over the next few years because people are starting to study it now and it's starting to be, I mean, you know, Sean Baker, who's, you know, who's a physician.
01:17:08.000And then you've got some really dedicated athletes that are trying it now, like, you know, Zach Bitter.
01:17:33.000He supplements with high levels of glucose, like those gels and shit like that, and ramps his carbs way up when he's going to do 100-mile races and things like that.
01:17:43.000But that's obviously a ridiculous requirement on his body.
01:18:50.000It's not a good argument because this is happening.
01:18:53.000If you're a person, I'm not saying that we don't all have a responsibility to do our part to try to save the environment, but if you're a person who's deathly ill, you go to the supermarket, there's a lot of fucking beef.
01:19:06.000And if you could buy that beef and it fixes you...
01:19:09.000Why don't you stop and think about the ecological concerns, the environmental concerns, and then the physical concerns of people that are forced to take on these fucking ridiculous pharmaceutical medications and introduce those into their lives?
01:19:24.000And think about you're also empowering these pharmaceutical companies and they're lobbying to stop natural cures.
01:19:33.000They're trying to make Kratom illegal.
01:19:36.000There's a lot of fuckery that's involved in pharmaceutical companies that we're well aware of.
01:20:45.000If you're going to look at this, you better look at it, if you want to make an argument against it, you better be balanced about this, because otherwise you're showing your ideological bend.
01:20:54.000Like to say that it's about methane and about cows and factory farming.
01:21:03.000This is a long and nuanced discussion.
01:21:06.000And if you're painting this article in one way and talking only about the negative health and negative environmental concerns that are associated with beef production, like that beef production is going on no matter whether you like it or not.
01:21:29.000Also, I believe they've proven that methane production from cows, and this only makes sense, is far less when they're on a natural diet, when they're pasture-raised, than it is if they're corn-fed.
01:21:46.000But it makes sense because they have all sorts of issues when they're eating grain.
01:21:54.000That could easily be a part of the problem as they're trying to fatten these cows up quicker and they're forcing them to eat something that's not natural for their body.
01:22:02.000Have you ever seen that King Corn documentary?
01:22:59.000I mean, it would be nice if someone, instead of saying, maybe she didn't have arthritis, or maybe she's just placeboing herself into this, or maybe it's deprivation that's making her feel better.
01:23:10.000Like, it'd be nice if someone actually did a study.
01:24:48.000So that's why it's better for the environment if they eat grass, which totally makes sense because they've been eating grass for a million years.
01:25:39.000But most of these people are really sick and really desperate and they haven't had any help from the medical system.
01:25:48.000And so far, and this is completely true, anybody who's gone on to this like beef and salt and water diet, anybody I've seen who's been able to stick through that transition period where you like get off of carbs.
01:26:11.000It seems to be, but like seriously, 50% of people, and it seems like the sicker you are, the more likely you are to get that.
01:26:17.000And I don't know if it's an inability to digest that amount of fat right away, or if it's a microbiome switch or something, but it seems to hit 50% of people, and the other 50% just switch over.
01:26:28.000But everybody gets some sort of carb withdrawal, especially if you go from like a standard American diet over, then it's insane cravings.
01:27:21.000I think it's definitely, it has a factor.
01:27:23.000I just finished, I didn't finish, I'm halfway through a book called Fat of the Land by, I'm going to butcher this, but like Vilhelmir Stephenson.
01:27:31.000And it was this dude who went to live with Inuit people in Canada for five years and he ate like they ate.
01:31:46.000And it's funny to freak out about until you get it.
01:31:49.000But that's very commonly associated with depression.
01:31:53.000And it is triggered by food with me too.
01:31:55.000Well, I know that that's triggered by some people that have lower back issues when they eat inflammation causing foods, like pasta and sugar.
01:35:04.000Do you think that today, like if you went to a university today, like a really good school, do you think they would still be saying that grains are a good idea to eat?
01:36:37.000Do you think there's an issue eating vegetables?
01:36:41.000I think it really depends on the person.
01:36:43.000I think that this beef salt and water diet is a really good elimination diet and if you're seriously suffering and you have like nothing to lose you can give it a go suffer through the transition period and then try and once you feel okay try and reintroduce foods and see where you stand.
01:36:59.000What about vitamin supplementation though and like why wouldn't you tell people why wouldn't you recommend multivitamins or a multivitamin pack that covers all your basics?
01:37:11.000I say if you want, if you're really concerned about vitamins, get vitamin infusions.
01:40:13.000Then over time, their body starts reacting to the lack of nutrients, lack of cholesterol, lack of saturated fat, and it's different bodies.
01:40:22.000I mean, obviously, some people have no problem with it.
01:40:24.000But some people have legit, like Chris Kresser is a perfect example.
01:40:28.000He started out with a macrobiotic vegan diet and had real serious reactions to it over time.
01:41:22.000Sean Baker is probably the loudest proponent and one of the most vocal and most Public and he's been doing it I believe two years My friend Chris Bell has been doing it for a while as well I think he's less than a year,
01:44:31.000I just feel so full that I would literally have to ask people to take my plate away or I would keep eating because I was starving but stuffed.
01:47:44.000I mean, but different people that grew up in different areas of the world, I think they have...
01:47:50.000I mean, isn't that been proven that there's different nutritional requirements that different people have if you grew up in different areas?