The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1167

00:00:00.000 Ready?

00:00:01.000 Five, four, three, two, one.

00:00:06.000 Larry Sharp.

00:00:07.000 How are you, sir?

00:00:08.000 I am doing great.

00:00:09.000 Thanks for having me.

00:00:10.000 Before we get started, I like you.

00:00:12.000 Oh, that's good.

00:00:13.000 I like you a lot.

00:00:14.000 I like what you're saying, man.

00:00:15.000 I'm just telling you right now, up front, I've been listening to a lot of your interviews, watching a lot of your interviews.

00:00:20.000 You make sense.

00:00:21.000 Oh, my God.

00:00:22.000 It's almost like you know you can't win, so you're talking so logically.

00:00:27.000 You might win.

00:00:29.000 Yeah.

00:00:30.000 The hope is the people who actually have given up who think it's so stupid, they don't bother voting, right?

00:00:36.000 So the hope is I say something that makes sense and they go, oh, maybe I should vote.

00:00:40.000 Oh my God, maybe I should vote.

00:00:41.000 If those people vote.

00:00:43.000 You win.

00:00:44.000 I win.

00:00:44.000 Yeah, there's an untapped resource of unmotivated people who are too fucked.

00:00:49.000 How do we fix that?

00:00:50.000 Is it a matter of getting people...

00:00:52.000 I believe firmly that if we could get people to register and vote online, especially with their phones, it changes the world.

00:01:00.000 Yes.

00:01:01.000 I really, really, really believe that.

00:01:03.000 And I think that this is also a concern of the people that are in the Democratic Party and the Republican Party, and I don't think they want that.

00:01:09.000 100%.

00:01:10.000 Look, they're relying on voter apathy.

00:01:12.000 Yes.

00:01:13.000 They're also relying on people who are committed to their parties and who are politically active, which is not the majority of the people.

00:01:20.000 It's the establishment, right?

00:01:21.000 I mean, look, you asked how we fixed this.

00:01:23.000 Bernie and Trump actually taught us this in 2016. They taught us two things.

00:01:26.000 Number one, if you can get people to an event, you can get them to the polling station.

00:01:30.000 Number one, that's why they did a lot of events.

00:01:32.000 I do over 30 events every month.

00:01:34.000 I'm always doing events, getting people to show up because if I can get them to show up to my event, I can get them to a polling booth, right?

00:01:39.000 Because to come to hear me speak, you have a lot of choices out there.

00:01:42.000 You could be on Netflix.

00:01:43.000 You can be hanging out with your family and friends.

00:01:45.000 You could be playing a video game.

00:01:47.000 You choose to come hear me speak, you'll come to the polling station.

00:01:50.000 That's number one.

00:01:51.000 But how do I get into care in the first place?

00:01:53.000 It's hope.

00:01:54.000 The average person who votes often, right?

00:01:56.000 If you vote often, you usually vote because of fear.

00:01:59.000 The two-party system installs fear, right?

00:02:01.000 I don't really care about my guy or gal, but I'm so afraid of the other guy, I'll go out and support my guy or gal, even though I don't even know his name.

00:02:08.000 I just know I don't like the red team, so I vote blue, or I don't like the blue team, so I vote red.

00:02:11.000 But to get someone who doesn't vote, and New York State's really bad.

00:02:14.000 New York State, about 70% of New Yorkers don't vote.

00:02:16.000 It's a huge chunk.

00:02:17.000 Over 7 million New Yorkers don't vote.

00:02:19.000 70%.

00:02:19.000 Yes, 70%.

00:02:20.000 Last election, I think it was 67%.

00:02:22.000 So it hovers around 70. To get those people out, you have to give them hope.

00:02:27.000 Bernie gave the left hope.

00:02:28.000 Trump gave the right hope.

00:02:30.000 If the Democratic Party wasn't so broken as a party, Bernie would have been their nominee.

00:02:34.000 It would have been hope against hope.

00:02:36.000 It was hope against establishment.

00:02:37.000 Hope won.

00:02:38.000 That's how it works.

00:02:39.000 I'm hope.

00:02:40.000 The other two guys who are running in my election, they're totally establishment.

00:02:44.000 Well, you say some really logical things.

00:02:46.000 One of the things that you said that nobody wants to touch, you were talking about...

00:02:51.000 Gun violence.

00:02:52.000 And you were talking about these mass shootings.

00:02:55.000 And you said there's two things that they have in common.

00:02:56.000 One of them, they don't have relationships.

00:02:58.000 They don't have girlfriends.

00:02:59.000 They don't have boyfriends.

00:03:01.000 Well, it's almost always a guy that does it.

00:03:03.000 Yeah, usually it is.

00:03:04.000 Boys tend to be more violent.

00:03:07.000 People get mad at me being sexist, but I'm just doing stats.

00:03:10.000 Statistically, males tend to outwardly strike.

00:03:13.000 Women tend to inwardly strike.

00:03:15.000 It's a general rule, statistically.

00:03:16.000 There's exceptions, obviously.

00:03:17.000 The only other...

00:03:19.000 The other factor is psychotropic drugs.

00:03:22.000 And these are two things that no one wants to talk about.

00:03:26.000 And they're both real.

00:03:28.000 And they're both facts.

00:03:28.000 And why is it that you think that these are obvious facts that people want to ignore?

00:03:35.000 Because they don't actually want to fix the problem.

00:03:38.000 If you fix the problem, then you don't have controversy.

00:03:40.000 If you don't have controversy, you don't have a left versus right paradigm.

00:03:42.000 Do you really think that's what it is?

00:03:44.000 Yes.

00:03:44.000 First off, they don't want to fix the problem.

00:03:47.000 If you want to fix the problem of school shootings, there's two things to remember.

00:03:50.000 As you've heard me say before, the school shooting, while it is a murder, at its core, it's actually a public suicide.

00:03:58.000 And people understand that at its core, most mass shootings are public suicides.

00:04:02.000 They would understand that.

00:04:03.000 It's true.

00:04:03.000 It's like death by cop, right?

00:04:05.000 It's public suicide.

00:04:06.000 So you have to make sure you have happier people, right?

00:04:09.000 But then why do they choose schools?

00:04:12.000 Several reasons.

00:04:13.000 One, because that's where their assumed enemies are, right?

00:04:15.000 The incels think that the bad guys and the bad girls are there.

00:04:19.000 But something else, they're soft targets.

00:04:21.000 The other thing you remember from all these school shootings is they're planned.

00:04:25.000 And that's a critical aspect.

00:04:26.000 You want to stop school shooting?

00:04:27.000 In New York State, you don't have to pass one extra law at all.

00:04:30.000 You have to do one minor thing and one thing only.

00:04:32.000 And that is say, if you're licensed and you have a permit to carry a firearm, if you want to in school, you may.

00:04:40.000 If you're a teacher or an administrator.

00:04:42.000 If you want to, you may.

00:04:44.000 That's it.

00:04:45.000 You don't have to force a teacher to carry.

00:04:46.000 You don't need a resource officer.

00:04:48.000 Why?

00:04:48.000 Because if you have a resource officer, which is what most Republicans will say, put an officer there, they'll just shoot him first.

00:04:55.000 If you allow Democrats, no guns.

00:04:56.000 They'll shoot everybody.

00:04:58.000 So if you instead say, well, I don't know who's armed.

00:05:00.000 Is it an administrator?

00:05:01.000 Is it a teacher?

00:05:01.000 Is it everybody?

00:05:02.000 Is it nobody?

00:05:03.000 The planning goes away.

00:05:04.000 Once there's no planning available, the school is no longer a soft target.

00:05:07.000 They stop choosing the school.

00:05:09.000 Okay, let me back...

00:05:10.000 Let's unpack this.

00:05:11.000 So you're saying that if you have an officer on the school that carries a gun, and this person knows that officer has a gun, they will shoot him first.

00:05:20.000 Correct.

00:05:21.000 And that if just teachers are carrying guns, there's no way this person knows, and so they're less likely to shoot people.

00:05:27.000 There's two things.

00:05:29.000 Here's the core of it.

00:05:31.000 What's killing our children?

00:05:32.000 It's not firearms.

00:05:34.000 One of the – I think it was a Texas shooting.

00:05:36.000 I think it was.

00:05:37.000 Before he stole the guns, he had put together and set up pipe bombs and pressure cooker bombs in case he couldn't steal the guns.

00:05:43.000 So if he couldn't get guns, he was going to kill people anyway.

00:05:47.000 The key thing here is what's killing these kids?

00:05:49.000 Lack of community, lack of purpose, and loneliness.

00:05:54.000 That's what's killing our kids.

00:05:55.000 Those three things.

00:05:57.000 Take those three things away.

00:05:58.000 Kids don't do that.

00:05:59.000 You give a kid who's 16, 17, 18 purpose, he can't go off and kill people.

00:06:04.000 He has something to do.

00:06:04.000 He has a reason to live.

00:06:06.000 Remember, this is a public suicide.

00:06:07.000 If you have a reason to live and you think the right answer is to go do something, you don't kill yourself.

00:06:12.000 If you don't kill yourself, there's no public suicide.

00:06:15.000 Mass shootings all of a sudden are tremendously reduced.

00:06:17.000 It's just how it works.

00:06:18.000 It's human nature.

00:06:19.000 You have to understand that.

00:06:20.000 But if you do that, then there's no extra law.

00:06:23.000 Then there's no one to point a finger at.

00:06:24.000 You can't restrict guns.

00:06:26.000 What I'm saying just makes actual sense.

00:06:28.000 This is where you and I break company because I don't agree with that.

00:06:31.000 I don't think that anyone is trying to keep these school shootings in the same state they are now.

00:06:37.000 I think that there's two things.

00:06:39.000 One, no one wants to demonize psychotropic drugs, especially politicians.

00:06:43.000 They have a really hard time with that.

00:06:45.000 Sure.

00:06:45.000 Because they don't want to tell people who are on psychotropic drugs that they're either suspects or suspicious or potential mass shooters.

00:06:53.000 New York State's showing you it's incorrect.

00:06:55.000 We made the SAFE Act, and the SAFE Act literally says if you go on these drugs, you lose your firearms.

00:07:00.000 So that's absolutely not true in New York State.

00:07:02.000 It may be true in California.

00:07:03.000 I don't know your laws here.

00:07:04.000 But in New York State, the opposite is true.

00:07:06.000 We've already done that.

00:07:07.000 We have made our medical personnel part of our secret state police.

00:07:11.000 Which means if you go in and say, you know, I'm feeling depressed.

00:07:15.000 I need some drugs.

00:07:16.000 I'm thinking about suicide.

00:07:18.000 The state police might come by and take your firearms.

00:07:21.000 That's already happening in New York State.

00:07:22.000 And they now want to create red flag laws, which means a teacher can now do it.

00:07:26.000 So now a teacher says, oh, there's a student who I see drew a firearm, drew a gun, cops and robbers.

00:07:32.000 Maybe a red flag.

00:07:33.000 Let me go to a judge and see if I can have the cops go and take his father's firearms.

00:07:37.000 I definitely want to talk about this, but I want to bring it back to what you said earlier.

00:07:40.000 You don't think they want to fix the problem.

00:07:42.000 I don't think that's true.

00:07:44.000 I just don't think they have a viable solution that they think is politically viable.

00:07:50.000 Perhaps, but I think my solution seems politically viable.

00:07:54.000 Everyone I say this to, they go, oh, wow, you're right.

00:07:58.000 Well, you are definitely right that they're lonely, sad people that are lashing out, and I think you're definitely right that in many instances it's a public suicide.

00:08:05.000 And I think you're definitely right that the vast majority of them are on psychotropic drugs, which do have a disassociative aspect to them where they're not even sure they're aware of what they're doing.

00:08:17.000 Well, I'm not sure that's true of that.

00:08:19.000 Well, people that have been on these things, things don't mean anything anymore.

00:08:24.000 Like a car accident in front of them doesn't mean anything.

00:08:27.000 People have various reactions to various SSRIs and antidepressants, but one thing that happens is you lose the highs and lows and everything is just flat.

00:08:38.000 You become numb.

00:08:39.000 Yes, and you become numb to almost anything that happens.

00:08:42.000 And again, it varies depending upon the individual that's on these things.

00:08:46.000 Part of that would allow someone to do something horrific, which they wouldn't be able to before.

00:08:53.000 Well, there's two things to remember here.

00:08:55.000 One, I'm not concerned with being righteous.

00:08:57.000 I'm concerned with happy New Yorkers and happy people.

00:08:59.000 That's what I want.

00:09:00.000 Righteousness is very low on my priority of things.

00:09:03.000 So if that doesn't sound – if what I'm saying sounds bad, I'm okay.

00:09:07.000 I want to fix the problem.

00:09:08.000 The second thing is I'm not a politician, which means I don't have a career I have to protect.

00:09:14.000 I don't have interests I have to serve.

00:09:16.000 The average donor is $75, right?

00:09:19.000 So I don't have a bunch of people who write me huge checks.

00:09:22.000 So I don't have that concern either.

00:09:24.000 So maybe in four years I'll be corrupt and you can beat me up on the show.

00:09:26.000 No, I don't think you're corrupt.

00:09:27.000 I mean, I'm not saying that at all.

00:09:29.000 I don't even think they're corrupt.

00:09:31.000 I mean, I'm sure many of them are.

00:09:32.000 Sure.

00:09:32.000 But I think that there's things they don't feel like they can discuss politically.

00:09:38.000 And I think one of those things is in any way demonizing people who are on antidepressants.

00:09:44.000 Because a lot of people are.

00:09:45.000 There's a giant percentage of people on antidepressants in this country.

00:09:47.000 Yes, absolutely.

00:09:48.000 Our opioid crisis is heavily based upon the idea that when you have pain of any type, physical, mental, the answer is not dealing with that pain, but the answer is a once a day pill.

00:10:00.000 Right.

00:10:01.000 Medication.

00:10:18.000 I mean, that was prescribed for either pain medication or something like that.

00:10:21.000 Usually pain medication.

00:10:22.000 But other things too.

00:10:23.000 You're totally correct.

00:10:24.000 This is a problem.

00:10:25.000 But what I'm saying is this is what I talk about often.

00:10:27.000 People say, Larry, you know, why should I vote for you?

00:10:30.000 Why should I support you?

00:10:31.000 Here's the reason why.

00:10:32.000 Whether you believe I can win or not, it's actually irrelevant.

00:10:35.000 If you think I can win, awesome.

00:10:36.000 I can win.

00:10:37.000 And to be forward with you, if I win in New York as a libertarian, the entire nation changes overnight.

00:10:42.000 And that's not exaggeration.

00:10:44.000 The entire nation changes overnight.

00:10:46.000 This is the most impactful election, hands down, the entire nation, 2018. Why?

00:10:52.000 Because it's New York and it's not New Mexico like when Gary Johnson won.

00:10:56.000 Yes.

00:10:56.000 If I would...

00:10:57.000 New York State was ranked 50th by Cato when it comes to freedom.

00:11:01.000 It is – we have the most people leaving, over 100,000 people leaving every single year, more than any other state.

00:11:06.000 We also – on top of that, we were ranked the least friendly to retirees.

00:11:10.000 All of a sudden, Larry Sharp, libertarian, becomes governor?

00:11:13.000 I mean, it's insane.

00:11:14.000 The advantage is it's a five-way race.

00:11:16.000 In a five-way race, 30% could win.

00:11:19.000 This is actually a winnable race.

00:11:20.000 How is it a five-way race?

00:11:22.000 It's going to be His Majesty, who our current king, he will run.

00:11:25.000 There'll be a Republican second.

00:11:26.000 Cuomo?

00:11:26.000 Yes, correct.

00:11:27.000 There'll be a Republican.

00:11:27.000 Why do you call me His Majesty?

00:11:29.000 Because he thinks he's a king and he is a king.

00:11:31.000 That's the reason.

00:11:32.000 When I'm in front of him, I'll call him your grace.

00:11:33.000 But to you, I'll just say your majesty.

00:11:36.000 I met him one time in 2014. Was he a dick?

00:11:39.000 Yes, he was.

00:11:40.000 Yes, he was.

00:11:41.000 He was very dismissive.

00:11:42.000 Yes, he was.

00:11:43.000 I was actually with the libertarian candidate then in 2014. So yes, he was dismissive.

00:11:49.000 So his majesty will run.

00:11:51.000 There'll be a Republican sacrificial lamb placeholder who knows he'll come in second, probably third to me.

00:11:55.000 Because New York has basically always been a left-wing state.

00:11:59.000 Not always, no.

00:12:00.000 The last 16 years.

00:12:01.000 The last 16 years in New York State, the same thing happens in a statewide election.

00:12:05.000 Blue team comes in first.

00:12:06.000 Red team comes in second.

00:12:07.000 Nothing changes.

00:12:08.000 Nothing changes.

00:12:09.000 That's been the last 16 years.

00:12:10.000 But prior to that, Republicans did win.

00:12:12.000 It did happen, but the state's too blue.

00:12:13.000 And Cynthia Nixon, what is she running as?

00:12:17.000 She won't be running in about a week or so.

00:12:19.000 No?

00:12:19.000 She'll be finished.

00:12:20.000 Yeah, she'll be finished.

00:12:21.000 Really?

00:12:21.000 Yeah.

00:12:21.000 How do you know?

00:12:22.000 Let me give you the five people that I'll cover her.

00:12:24.000 Okay, go ahead.

00:12:24.000 Those two.

00:12:25.000 Then Stephanie Miner will run.

00:12:27.000 She's an independent who runs out of Syracuse.

00:12:30.000 There'll be a Green Party Communist who'll run, Howie Hawkins.

00:12:32.000 Communist?

00:12:33.000 Yes.

00:12:33.000 Legit Communist?

00:12:34.000 Yeah.

00:12:34.000 He wouldn't be unhappy if I called him that.

00:12:36.000 Really?

00:12:36.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:12:37.000 He would nod his head?

00:12:39.000 He'd be like, yeah, probably.

00:12:40.000 Close.

00:12:40.000 Yeah.

00:12:41.000 Wow.

00:12:41.000 He'd be okay with that.

00:12:42.000 So him and then myself.

00:12:44.000 So five people running.

00:12:46.000 With five people running, New York State's a plurality state.

00:12:49.000 So 30% in theory could actually win this thing.

00:12:52.000 With people who know who I am, I already poll at 25%.

00:12:55.000 This is both the Quinnipiac poll and Gravis Marketing poll.

00:12:58.000 Both polls.

00:12:59.000 I poll about 25% who know who I am.

00:13:02.000 My problem is name recognition.

00:13:03.000 If more people get to know who I am, then that number obviously will go even higher.

00:13:08.000 And how much time do we have here?

00:13:09.000 Two months.

00:13:11.000 Here's the reality.

00:13:12.000 I get $2 million.

00:13:14.000 I win.

00:13:15.000 Two million dollars is all it takes.

00:13:17.000 Because I just need to get my name out.

00:13:18.000 I already have infrastructure.

00:13:19.000 I already have the message.

00:13:20.000 All I need is to get my name out.

00:13:22.000 What it takes is advertisements on local stations to get my name out.

00:13:27.000 That happens.

00:13:28.000 I win.

00:13:28.000 That's not an exaggeration.

00:13:30.000 How important are the debates?

00:13:31.000 Debates are important.

00:13:32.000 If I don't get that money, I'll have to win in debates.

00:13:35.000 I'll have to do a Jesse Ventura.

00:13:36.000 Jesse Ventura in Minnesota when he had debates.

00:13:39.000 He won.

00:13:39.000 He handily won in debates and that really gave him That gave him the election.

00:13:44.000 That will give me the election.

00:13:44.000 People were a big fan of that movie Predator.

00:13:46.000 Yes, because he didn't have time to bleed.

00:13:49.000 That's exactly right, Joe, yes.

00:13:51.000 Those are slack-jawed faggots.

00:13:53.000 For those of you who are old enough to remember that movie, yes.

00:13:55.000 Jesse didn't have time to bleed.

00:13:56.000 So yes, that's what I'm saying.

00:13:59.000 With that, we make that happen.

00:14:01.000 We can actually win and change everything because all I need is my name to get out.

00:14:05.000 But you asked about Cynthia Nixon.

00:14:06.000 Cynthia Nixon made an error.

00:14:20.000 Stephanie Minor is also a Democrat, but she chose not to run as Democrat because she knew that if she ran as that, Cuomo would crush her as Cuomo's crushing Nixon.

00:14:28.000 How is he crushing Nixon?

00:14:29.000 In the Democratic Convention, if you are able to get 5% of the vote from delegates, you get to speak on stage.

00:14:36.000 Cuomo controlled those delegates with an iron fist so much, he made sure Cynthia Nixon did not even get 5%.

00:14:43.000 She couldn't even get on the stage to speak.

00:14:45.000 Now, let me be clear.

00:14:46.000 Cynthia Nixon is a popular actor who lives in New York City.

00:14:50.000 There is no way there weren't enough people who would have, if they wanted to hear her speak, would have voted.

00:14:55.000 5%, of course, he made sure it didn't happen.

00:14:57.000 She had to submit 65,000 signatures to get on the actual ballot so she could be in the primary.

00:15:03.000 There is no way that he allows her to win.

00:15:06.000 She doesn't win.

00:15:07.000 He debated her because he thought, let me just show people that I don't care.

00:15:11.000 I can just dismiss her.

00:15:12.000 And that's why he debated her.

00:15:13.000 And he's going to win.

00:15:15.000 And she's going to lose.

00:15:16.000 And when she loses, I don't think she's going to stay in.

00:15:18.000 I doubt she will.

00:15:19.000 If she does, better for me because it'll be a six-way race.

00:15:21.000 But I doubt she will.

00:15:22.000 She'll probably drop out in some way, shape or form.

00:15:23.000 My odds are she'll run for Congress or something like that in the Working Families Party.

00:15:27.000 She'll do something like that.

00:15:28.000 The Working Families Party?

00:15:30.000 Yes.

00:15:30.000 That's another party?

00:15:31.000 It's another party in New York State, yes.

00:15:32.000 How New York State runs, New York State is a fusion state, which means you can run as multiple parties if you want to.

00:15:38.000 You can have three or four or five lines if you want to.

00:15:40.000 So what often happens is the big two parties, they use it as a way to have issue-based voters.

00:15:46.000 So they'll literally create parties.

00:15:48.000 So they'll create a party that says, I'm the Working Families Party.

00:15:51.000 And then people go, oh, well, it's not Democrat.

00:15:53.000 I'm a working family.

00:15:54.000 And they'll click that.

00:15:55.000 And it's the same guy.

00:15:56.000 Cuomo will be on four or five lines.

00:15:58.000 It happens often.

00:15:58.000 The Republican's on three lines, and the Democrat, I think, will be on probably four lines.

00:16:03.000 It's a very complicated process.

00:16:05.000 It is.

00:16:05.000 Now, is there any effort made, or is there any discussion whatsoever about potentially moving voting to online?

00:16:13.000 Is that something that you would...

00:16:14.000 No, not New York State right now.

00:16:15.000 No, I'm unsure.

00:16:16.000 You're unsure of it?

00:16:17.000 I love the concept completely.

00:16:19.000 I do.

00:16:20.000 The only thing I don't know is I don't know the technology behind it.

00:16:22.000 I don't know how safe it is.

00:16:23.000 I just don't know.

00:16:24.000 But what about banking?

00:16:25.000 If you can bank online, that's where all your money goes.

00:16:27.000 No, I love the idea.

00:16:28.000 I don't want to commit without knowing the technology.

00:16:31.000 New York State is a problem because New York State throws out everything that is new.

00:16:35.000 We've thrown out blockchain.

00:16:36.000 We don't want to do any open source.

00:16:39.000 We threw out hemp and marijuana.

00:16:43.000 We're trying to destroy the vaping industry.

00:16:45.000 I mean, anything that's new in New York State, we try to get rid of.

00:16:48.000 We hit with a stick.

00:16:48.000 We're beating up Uber now.

00:16:49.000 We're taxing Uber to pay for the MTA. That would be just horrible.

00:16:52.000 Corruption by established bodies that are...

00:16:54.000 100%.

00:16:54.000 Yeah.

00:16:55.000 New York State likes old money.

00:16:57.000 We're really happy with old money.

00:16:58.000 We do not like new money at all, which is another reason why the youth is leaving.

00:17:02.000 We had the hardest time getting the UFC into New York because of corruption.

00:17:06.000 We had to wait until that one politician was arrested.

00:17:08.000 What was that one guy that went to jail?

00:17:10.000 New York State, there's so many at you.

00:17:12.000 Yeah, I forget who it was, but he was corrupt.

00:17:14.000 He was one of the main reasons that they were trying to make it illegal.

00:17:19.000 Absolutely.

00:17:20.000 It's new, which means by default, hit it with a stick.

00:17:22.000 That's how New York thinks.

00:17:24.000 It's new.

00:17:25.000 Hit it with a stick.

00:17:25.000 Don't like it.

00:17:26.000 It's new.

00:17:26.000 We want old stuff.

00:17:27.000 How ironic for a place called New York.

00:17:29.000 Yes, which is why my slogan is, a new New York.

00:17:33.000 That's the reason why my slogan is that, because we are right now in old New York, and it's not helping at all.

00:17:39.000 The worst part is with the old New York, speaking of the people who are older, people who are retiring, they can't stay in New York State.

00:17:45.000 Because it's too expensive.

00:17:46.000 Too expensive.

00:17:46.000 They pack up and go to North Carolina, South Carolina, Florida.

00:17:49.000 Is it taxes?

00:17:50.000 Is it real estate?

00:17:51.000 It's both.

00:17:51.000 It's taxes and it's no opportunity.

00:17:53.000 It's both of those two things, right?

00:17:55.000 So they decide to head on down to North Carolina, South Carolina, Florida, Tennessee.

00:17:58.000 They actually have a name for us in the Carolinas.

00:18:00.000 They call us halfbacks.

00:18:02.000 We went to Florida and halfway back.

00:18:04.000 That's true.

00:18:05.000 They call us halfbacks.

00:18:06.000 That's how many New Yorkers go there.

00:18:07.000 But here's the worst part.

00:18:08.000 Well, most people who go to Florida go, ah, this is a mistake.

00:18:10.000 There we go.

00:18:11.000 See?

00:18:12.000 Well, the sad part here is though, Florida actually has more people than we have and half of our budget.

00:18:18.000 And Scott actually, the Governor Scott actually thanked Cuomo for sending all the people down there because 15% of New York State's budget is actually pensions.

00:18:27.000 And so many people who have pensions are actually leaving New York State and going someplace else.

00:18:31.000 So New York State people are paying for the pensions and then they're being spent in other states.

00:18:35.000 It's a terrible idea.

00:18:36.000 The state is broken.

00:18:38.000 It is so broken.

00:18:39.000 And people are talking about – if you're a Democrat, you're saying everything is still great.

00:18:43.000 If you're a Republican, you're saying we'll tweak this or tweak that.

00:18:46.000 I'm saying rebuild from scratch.

00:18:48.000 There are things you have to change.

00:18:49.000 You have to change the root so you can make the branches actually die.

00:18:53.000 We keep clipping branches.

00:18:54.000 The weeds keep growing.

00:18:55.000 Now, we got way off track with this school shooting thing, and I wanted to get back to it because I think it's a very complex issue.

00:19:04.000 It is.

00:19:04.000 I don't know what the answer would be.

00:19:08.000 There is no one answer.

00:19:09.000 I think you've found problems, and these problems that you're willing to discuss that very few people are, are that these people are lonely and sad, that it's public suicide, and that they're on psychotropic drugs.

00:19:20.000 Absolutely.

00:19:21.000 I don't know why you don't think that other people want to fix it.

00:19:23.000 I just don't think that they have a solution that they can discuss that is not so controversial that it overwhelms the rest of their messages.

00:19:33.000 What could be done?

00:19:35.000 Sure.

00:19:35.000 I have a couple of answers.

00:19:36.000 The issue is this is an issue that's been going on literally for decades.

00:19:40.000 So there is no do this and it's done.

00:19:42.000 There are several things.

00:19:44.000 One of them is fixing education.

00:19:46.000 The other one is fixing family courts.

00:19:48.000 Okay, let's start slow.

00:19:49.000 How do you fix education?

00:19:51.000 Absolutely.

00:19:51.000 It is a complete reboot.

00:19:53.000 Right now, the first thing you want to do for education is you want to make sure there is no standardized testing until high school.

00:19:58.000 None whatsoever.

00:19:59.000 Standardized testing is bad for several reasons.

00:20:01.000 Number one, it's an unfair way of grading teachers.

00:20:04.000 Teachers are now graded by how their students do in a standardized test, which is silly.

00:20:08.000 That doesn't mean you're a good or bad teacher.

00:20:09.000 Next, it makes a bunch of kids who are 10, 11, 12, 13 years old feel stupid because they're not good test takers.

00:20:16.000 And you create now a secondary class of student for absolutely no reason.

00:20:19.000 Because the next reason is standardized testing is no indication of success in life.

00:20:23.000 You could be a great test taker at 12 or 13 or a terrible test taker, and it does not mean you'll be successful or not successful in life.

00:20:30.000 Last is how New York State often will decide how to fund schools.

00:20:33.000 So it's a way of funding schools that's also unfair.

00:20:36.000 There's no advantage to standardized testing, except it means the federal government now begins to control our schools more.

00:20:42.000 So when you say that standardized testing, there's an effect on funding, does that mean that if a school does really well, they get more money?

00:20:49.000 Yep, often they do.

00:20:50.000 It's part of a very complex algorithm that New York State has that almost no one can actually find.

00:20:55.000 That seems like it should almost be the opposite.

00:20:57.000 That if a school does poorly, that they should put more resources into that school because it's not being effective.

00:21:02.000 In theory, that's true.

00:21:04.000 I'm not sure that's accurate either.

00:21:05.000 We throw about $22,000 per student per year at New York State, more even than California, and it doesn't work.

00:21:10.000 We have mediocre results at best.

00:21:12.000 Dollars isn't the answer.

00:21:13.000 It's revamping the system, right?

00:21:15.000 Funding is not the answer.

00:21:16.000 So how do you revamp the system?

00:21:18.000 There's more parts than that.

00:21:20.000 The first one was just getting rid of that.

00:21:21.000 The second thing is we shouldn't even have K-12.

00:21:23.000 K-12 is an anachronism and shouldn't exist.

00:21:26.000 Why is that?

00:21:26.000 Because the last two years, it should be K-10.

00:21:29.000 The last two years of high school for a huge chunk of people.

00:21:34.000 Study hall, video games, and probably smoking weed.

00:21:38.000 Just nothing but bad for too many students just sitting around doing nothing.

00:21:42.000 They have no purpose.

00:21:43.000 They have no community.

00:21:44.000 They have no reason to do anything.

00:21:47.000 They're unhappy, right?

00:21:48.000 Another reason why they're unhappy.

00:21:50.000 Isn't that a gross generalization that they're unhappy and they're not doing anything?

00:21:54.000 I mean, there's probably a lot of kids listening to this that are 16 and 17. They're working their ass off right now.

00:21:59.000 Absolutely.

00:21:59.000 And I have a solution for them.

00:22:00.000 Preparing for their future.

00:22:00.000 And I have a solution for them that's even better.

00:22:02.000 I have a solution.

00:22:03.000 Again, let me keep moving.

00:22:05.000 Okay, go ahead.

00:22:05.000 Right.

00:22:05.000 First thing is, how do I know what I just said is true?

00:22:07.000 You just asked that question.

00:22:09.000 K through 10. I'll tell you why what I just said, why I know it's true.

00:22:11.000 Because for the vast majority of students going to college now, the first year of college is 13th grade because they're not ready for school.

00:22:18.000 Because the last two years didn't prepare them for a college.

00:22:22.000 If it did, we wouldn't require 13th grade.

00:22:24.000 How do I know it's 13th grade?

00:22:26.000 The average student now takes six years to graduate college.

00:22:29.000 So the results show me that I'm correct, right?

00:22:32.000 The results of what's happening.

00:22:33.000 And here's the worst part.

00:22:34.000 Now we shift these kids off to college who many of them don't even want to go to college.

00:22:38.000 So we send them anyway, takes them six years to graduate, they're 24 years old, with at least 50K in debt, if not more, minimum 50K, some 100K, some 200K, depending on what it is, and now there's no job for what they want to do, and now they're working at Starbucks.

00:22:52.000 Wow, what a disaster that is.

00:22:54.000 We wonder why our kid's coming back home.

00:22:55.000 So how about this instead?

00:22:59.000 We're good to go.

00:23:24.000 It would change his entire situation.

00:23:26.000 No more knuckleheads who don't want to be there, who are forced to be there, who are cut in class.

00:23:30.000 The kids who will be there are those who want to be there.

00:23:32.000 The teachers, no disciplinary issues.

00:23:35.000 They want kids who want to be there.

00:23:38.000 Better for them.

00:23:39.000 They can hustle better.

00:23:39.000 Now they're ready for college when they get there.

00:23:41.000 They take advantage of incubators, of internships, maybe even graduate in three years.

00:23:46.000 Now they're rocking and rolling.

00:23:47.000 Less debt, better off, life is good.

00:23:49.000 Better services, better everything for less money.

00:23:52.000 I'm not done.

00:23:53.000 You're not that kid.

00:23:54.000 You're the kid who's super smart.

00:23:55.000 You want to become a scientist.

00:23:57.000 You want to get a PhD.

00:23:58.000 Awesome.

00:23:59.000 Go right to an associate's degree.

00:24:01.000 Start right away.

00:24:02.000 16, 17, 18. Get to your degree because you're that good.

00:24:04.000 Take your SATs.

00:24:05.000 You're that smart.

00:24:06.000 You're Einstein.

00:24:07.000 Awesome.

00:24:08.000 Go do that.

00:24:09.000 You don't want any of those things.

00:24:10.000 No worries.

00:24:10.000 Go to trade school.

00:24:12.000 Become a plumber, a carpenter, a mason, whatever the case may be.

00:24:15.000 Go do it.

00:24:16.000 New York State desperately needs tradesmen.

00:24:18.000 Desperately.

00:24:19.000 The average tradesperson in New York State is about 50 years old.

00:24:21.000 Too old for an average.

00:24:23.000 Should be 30-something for an average.

00:24:24.000 35 maybe for an average.

00:24:26.000 It's too high, which means we have a lot of trades jobs that are not filled and a lot of foreign labor that has to come to New York State.

00:24:32.000 New York kids aren't doing it.

00:24:33.000 Why?

00:24:34.000 We've been told a lie.

00:24:35.000 And that lie is the only way to success.

00:24:37.000 The only way Is to do well in high school, get a great four-year degree, and go get a job and sit behind a computer all day.

00:24:43.000 That's a lie.

00:24:44.000 That is a way to success.

00:24:46.000 It is not the only way to success.

00:24:48.000 There are a lot of kids now, and I'm sure you know people like this, who they spent the first five, ten years of their life trying to make it that way, struggling through school.

00:24:57.000 Then at 28 years old, they go, I just want to build houses, man.

00:25:00.000 Then they go build a house.

00:25:01.000 I just want to be a computer guy.

00:25:03.000 They just make apps.

00:25:04.000 Let's go do something they want to do.

00:25:05.000 They should have been doing that at 18. I'm still not done.

00:25:08.000 For most people, though, they don't know what they want to do.

00:25:11.000 That's a big part of the problem.

00:25:12.000 I get that all the time.

00:25:12.000 They don't have a passion.

00:25:14.000 They don't have a direction, and they're confused.

00:25:17.000 Yes.

00:25:17.000 This is one of my biggest complaints I got about this plan, right?

00:25:19.000 Because the two ideas are just go get a job.

00:25:22.000 Just go work.

00:25:23.000 Or start a business.

00:25:24.000 And what you just said, that's what I get all the time.

00:25:26.000 But Larry, they're 16. That's what they're doing.

00:25:28.000 Good.

00:25:28.000 Make your mistake at 16, not 26. We're making mistakes at 26. We have people who are lost at 26. We have a generation now.

00:25:36.000 If you ask the people in their 20s right now across this nation, you say, do you feel like an adult?

00:25:41.000 Over half will say no.

00:25:44.000 Over half will say no.

00:25:45.000 40-year-olds will say that.

00:25:46.000 Not as much, but yes, but not as much.

00:25:49.000 No, it probably will be over half.

00:25:50.000 It won't be over half.

00:25:51.000 You go to 20-somethings, over half will say, no, I don't feel like an adult, right?

00:25:56.000 Because they're making the same mistakes that many people made at 18, 19, 16. They're now making it 25, 26, 28. Well, there's also not a rites of passage.

00:26:04.000 Bingo.

00:26:04.000 There's not something that actually happens to them.

00:26:06.000 This would actually be that.

00:26:07.000 They'd have to make that choice at 16. But here's the issue.

00:26:11.000 How do I pay for it?

00:26:12.000 And this covers the entire issue that we were just talking about.

00:26:13.000 That's the next question I get.

00:26:14.000 How do you pay for it?

00:26:15.000 New York State says I have to pay for a full 12 years of school.

00:26:18.000 Have to pay for it.

00:26:19.000 State has to pay for it.

00:26:20.000 No worries.

00:26:21.000 I was a Marine.

00:26:22.000 When I got a Marine Corps, I got a GI Bill.

00:26:25.000 I think it was $100,000.

00:26:26.000 I forgot what it was back then.

00:26:27.000 This is in the 90s.

00:26:28.000 I think I got $100,000, like 10 years to use it.

00:26:31.000 We're going to give all of our kids $20,000 and five years to use it.

00:26:34.000 They don't get the physical check, but the state will pay a check to whatever school they want to go to for $20,000.

00:26:40.000 They have five years to use it.

00:26:41.000 What does that mean?

00:26:42.000 You can, at 16, start experimenting.

00:26:44.000 You can say, you know what?

00:26:45.000 I know college is for me.

00:26:46.000 I'm going to go to prep school.

00:26:47.000 Here's what I promise you.

00:26:48.000 I promise you this.

00:26:50.000 I'll pay any amount of money you want.

00:26:51.000 Promise you this.

00:26:52.000 As soon as this comes into play, you will find tons of all of a sudden prep schools and trade schools that pop up.

00:26:58.000 And guess how much they're going to cost for two years?

00:27:01.000 $20,000.

00:27:02.000 That's going to be the tuition.

00:27:03.000 You might say, well, wow, Larry, that's a lot of money.

00:27:05.000 It isn't.

00:27:05.000 We're paying $44,000 now for each of those kids.

00:27:08.000 We're saving $24,000 per kid and giving them better schooling, more accurate, actual choices.

00:27:14.000 They can learn something.

00:27:16.000 They make their mistakes at $16,000, $17,000, which is way better than $26,000 or $27,000, and maybe they figure out what they want to do.

00:27:22.000 Well, why is it so cheap?

00:27:24.000 Why are you going to be able to do that for $20,000 when it costs so much more now?

00:27:28.000 What's going to be different?

00:27:30.000 People are going to be choosing.

00:27:32.000 Right.

00:27:32.000 But the people that are educating these people, how are they going to get paid?

00:27:36.000 Where's the money going to come from?

00:27:37.000 Great question.

00:27:38.000 Now, a couple things to remember.

00:27:40.000 Teachers ask me all the time.

00:27:41.000 They say, Larry, how are you going to help us?

00:27:43.000 Here's what I tell you.

00:27:44.000 I'm going to get rid of a bunch of your administrators.

00:27:46.000 In New York State, we actually have school districts that have more administrators than teachers.

00:27:51.000 What?

00:27:51.000 Yes, that's correct.

00:27:53.000 What's the value of having administrators?

00:27:55.000 Because you have to check boxes for government.

00:27:57.000 You have to check boxes for government.

00:27:59.000 Did you do X? Did you do Y? Did you do Z? These administrators are required.

00:28:02.000 That's what's going on?

00:28:03.000 That's correct.

00:28:03.000 There's about $60 billion in our budget in New York State for education, give or take.

00:28:08.000 About $4 billion comes from the federal government.

00:28:10.000 About $35 billion comes from the state and about $20 billion comes locally, give or take.

00:28:14.000 These are round numbers and they change yearly depending on who you talk to, but it's about that.

00:28:19.000 Once we get rid of the federal government being involved in New York State, $4 billion goes away.

00:28:26.000 People get afraid.

00:28:27.000 Oh my God, we lose that money.

00:28:28.000 Good.

00:28:29.000 Good.

00:28:30.000 Let it go away.

00:28:30.000 Because all of the administrators go away also.

00:28:32.000 If you can get rid of three, four, five, six administrators for every one or two teachers, oh my god, what could you do?

00:28:37.000 I'm not a professional educator, but I would imagine that if I was, I would be upset at this.

00:28:41.000 I would say that there's a reason why those administrators are there, and we need them to take some of the administrative weight off of the teachers.

00:28:48.000 The teachers are stressed out enough by teaching students.

00:28:51.000 They don't have the time to be taking care of all the formalities and the things that these administrators do.

00:28:57.000 I have never heard that ever.

00:28:59.000 Because that's not true.

00:29:00.000 You are the first person to ever say that to me ever in over a year of me doing this.

00:29:03.000 So every teacher would agree with you?

00:29:06.000 No, no, no, no.

00:29:06.000 Not every teacher.

00:29:07.000 As I said, I never heard it.

00:29:08.000 You never heard it.

00:29:09.000 I'm not saying a teacher.

00:29:10.000 But you've talked to a lot of teachers?

00:29:11.000 Lots of them.

00:29:11.000 Dozens of them.

00:29:12.000 Okay.

00:29:13.000 Dozens of them.

00:29:13.000 And what do they say?

00:29:14.000 And what do they say about administrators?

00:29:15.000 Fuck those punks?

00:29:17.000 Not in those words, but yes.

00:29:19.000 Because most of those administrators are actually administering teachers.

00:29:22.000 They're telling them how to teach, what to teach, when to teach, grading them.

00:29:25.000 Okay, but if they don't, who will?

00:29:27.000 The parents will.

00:29:28.000 The parents will.

00:29:29.000 Yes.

00:29:29.000 Do you think the parents have the time or the understanding of what an education should comprise of to be able to direct not just their student, what their child needs, but a group of 50 or however large the class is?

00:29:47.000 Teachers do.

00:29:48.000 Yes.

00:29:49.000 So they're going to self-police?

00:29:50.000 There'll be some administrators.

00:29:52.000 You're assuming that I'm going to get rid of all administrators?

00:29:54.000 No, no.

00:29:54.000 I'm not saying that.

00:29:55.000 I'm not saying that.

00:29:57.000 But you're definitely saying that administrators...

00:29:58.000 You went to school, though.

00:29:59.000 Hold on.

00:29:59.000 You went to school.

00:30:01.000 Do you remember how many vice principals there were at any of your schools?

00:30:04.000 Do you remember?

00:30:04.000 No, I don't.

00:30:05.000 Probably two or three.

00:30:07.000 That was normal in most schools.

00:30:09.000 When I was in school, often it was two or three.

00:30:10.000 I don't remember.

00:30:12.000 Now there's 12. 12?

00:30:14.000 10. And why?

00:30:16.000 Why is that?

00:30:17.000 Because they're administrators.

00:30:18.000 And they're making sure other things – they're making sure boxes are checked.

00:30:22.000 So here's your alternative.

00:30:24.000 Your alternative is keep funding a broken system and be afraid, which is what you're saying.

00:30:29.000 No, I'm not saying be afraid.

00:30:30.000 You're saying teachers will be afraid because – Afraid.

00:30:33.000 Yeah, because then who will educate our kids?

00:30:35.000 No, no.

00:30:36.000 Overwhelmed.

00:30:37.000 Overwhelmed.

00:30:37.000 Okay.

00:30:38.000 Fear of being overwhelmed.

00:30:39.000 Yes.

00:30:40.000 Not just that, but also – Like having a mandate, like having a very strict curriculum that they have to teach these children.

00:30:51.000 And that is nothing but a bad thing.

00:30:52.000 I'm going to give you, real fast if you don't mind, I'm going to give you a list of all the time centralized control has worked.

00:30:58.000 Okay.

00:30:58.000 Finished.

00:31:00.000 Centralized control in education meaning what?

00:31:03.000 In anything.

00:31:05.000 When does centralized control make things all of a sudden better?

00:31:07.000 Define centralized control.

00:31:09.000 A strict mandate from Albany.

00:31:10.000 A strict mandate from D.C. I'll ask you a question.

00:31:13.000 I'm assuming you're old enough that you were in school at one point at 1980 or older.

00:31:18.000 Yes.

00:31:18.000 Or before.

00:31:19.000 I was.

00:31:20.000 Yes.

00:31:20.000 Prior to 1980, basically the Department of Education didn't really exist as it does now.

00:31:25.000 It did exist, but it was basically just a repository for information.

00:31:27.000 It didn't really do anything.

00:31:29.000 It didn't have any power.

00:31:30.000 Since 1980, it began to have power.

00:31:32.000 Do this, and we'll give you money.

00:31:34.000 Don't do this, we don't give you money.

00:31:35.000 Here are your rules.

00:31:36.000 Follow them or we punish you.

00:31:38.000 That's what they are now.

00:31:41.000 You learned to read and write.

00:31:42.000 You learned to function in society.

00:31:44.000 So did I. Somehow, every American prior to 1980 went to school, learned how to read and write, learned how to function in society.

00:31:50.000 Somehow it worked.

00:31:51.000 Do I trust the administrator or a teacher?

00:31:54.000 I would rather trust a teacher.

00:31:56.000 Now, does that mean there will be no administrators?

00:31:57.000 Of course not.

00:31:58.000 There will be administrators.

00:31:58.000 Of course there will be.

00:31:59.000 There will be still principals and things of that sort.

00:32:01.000 Of course.

00:32:02.000 But the difference is an administrator cares about checking a box.

00:32:06.000 Check a box.

00:32:07.000 Your students aren't better off because boxes are checked.

00:32:10.000 Your students are better off because your students are getting better and because the parents are happier.

00:32:14.000 Right, but when you're saying boxes being checked, that means things being covered that they feel are significant.

00:32:19.000 Yes, for a standardized test.

00:32:20.000 Yes.

00:32:20.000 You said that they feel significant.

00:32:22.000 That's correct.

00:32:22.000 Yes.

00:32:23.000 Well, that someone...

00:32:24.000 I mean, I don't know how curriculums are set up, but I would imagine that people get together and they decide that children need to have a certain amount of ability with grammar, a certain amount of understanding of mathematics.

00:32:36.000 Yes.

00:32:37.000 I'd agree.

00:32:38.000 So who's going to do that?

00:32:39.000 How about teachers and the local administrators?

00:32:42.000 And how about the local PTA? What's wrong with that?

00:32:43.000 So less administrators, but not an elimination of administrators.

00:32:47.000 I never said that.

00:32:48.000 I didn't say you did.

00:32:49.000 But how do we decide how many administrators are necessary and how many can you cut out?

00:32:53.000 How much money can you save?

00:32:54.000 And this is even better.

00:32:56.000 You're going to love my libertarian ways on this one.

00:32:58.000 Okay.

00:32:58.000 Right now, what happens is there is a convoluted way of deciding how- A what?

00:33:03.000 A convoluted way.

00:33:04.000 Oh, I thought you said com-loaded.

00:33:06.000 Did you hear that?

00:33:07.000 It could be, but no, I don't think it is.

00:33:09.000 Convoluted.

00:33:10.000 Convoluted way.

00:33:10.000 I'm like, this is a new word, and I don't think it should be used.

00:33:13.000 Is that new?

00:33:14.000 I don't think so.

00:33:14.000 No, not convoluted, the other one.

00:33:17.000 Convoluted?

00:33:19.000 I'm sure there's a fetish there somewhere.

00:33:21.000 I'm sure there is.

00:33:22.000 I just haven't heard it.

00:33:23.000 Me either.

00:33:24.000 See?

00:33:24.000 You're ready to go now.

00:33:26.000 So there's a convoluted way of actually funding these schools.

00:33:30.000 I don't want that.

00:33:30.000 I want to be very simple.

00:33:32.000 I want a flat fee to come from the state, here district, depending on how many kids you have, here's your money.

00:33:37.000 What does that mean?

00:33:38.000 Well, the reality of it is there are about, if I'm not mistaken, about 700 school districts in New York State.

00:33:43.000 A lot.

00:33:44.000 A lot.

00:33:45.000 That's a lot.

00:33:45.000 It is a lot.

00:33:46.000 And so what happens now is there's your money.

00:33:49.000 Most of them are going to make no changes because they're going to be afraid.

00:33:51.000 But it's like anything else.

00:33:52.000 They'll be early adopters.

00:33:53.000 And early adopters are going to say, wait a minute.

00:33:55.000 So the federal government isn't telling us to do this.

00:33:58.000 The state government isn't telling us to do that.

00:34:00.000 So we can change some things here.

00:34:01.000 So when you say, here's your money, they're going to get less money than they're getting now?

00:34:05.000 It depends on the school district.

00:34:07.000 Some will, some won't.

00:34:09.000 It's not like you'll have less jobs there.

00:34:11.000 They're going to have to decide whether or not they have less administrators?

00:34:14.000 You got it.

00:34:15.000 Exactly right.

00:34:16.000 Yes.

00:34:17.000 And you're saying, oh my god, that's scary.

00:34:19.000 Some of our school districts will fail.

00:34:21.000 Yes.

00:34:21.000 But in New York State, they're all failing now, so why do I care?

00:34:23.000 We're failing en masse right now.

00:34:26.000 I'm okay.

00:34:27.000 Let me finish.

00:34:28.000 I don't want government to be What you always hear, which is elections have consequences.

00:34:35.000 So I win.

00:34:36.000 I now get to impose my will upon all of you because I won.

00:34:40.000 So what I say goes, I'm supposed to know everything, be everything, create boards and make things happen.

00:34:45.000 I instead want to be the guy who, when you have trouble, I can help.

00:34:50.000 So as school districts begin to have trouble, I will without question try to help them.

00:34:55.000 Of course I will.

00:34:55.000 But there's 700 districts.

00:34:57.000 That's correct.

00:34:57.000 How would you have time to do that?

00:34:58.000 I won't personally.

00:34:59.000 I'll have people who would do that right now.

00:35:00.000 There's already an infrastructure to handle that already.

00:35:03.000 I don't have to create a new one.

00:35:05.000 It already exists.

00:35:05.000 But right now it's just – it's making up reasons to punish people.

00:35:09.000 I don't want it to make up reasons to punish people.

00:35:11.000 I want it instead to say, okay, this school district is lost.

00:35:14.000 How do we help?

00:35:15.000 I only have one string attached to the money I give.

00:35:19.000 Only one.

00:35:19.000 And that is transparency.

00:35:21.000 As I told you before, I'm a business guy.

00:35:22.000 And here's what I know.

00:35:23.000 This is an actual equation that works every single time.

00:35:26.000 Very simple.

00:35:26.000 Simple equation.

00:35:27.000 Personal freedom plus transparency plus accountability equals innovation.

00:35:33.000 If we do that, the early adopters will come on.

00:35:35.000 They will find great ways of making things work.

00:35:37.000 They will get rid of some administrators.

00:35:39.000 They will get rid of some teachers.

00:35:40.000 They will hire new ones.

00:35:41.000 They will decide which ones should be given raises.

00:35:43.000 That will happen.

00:35:44.000 Okay, can I stop you there?

00:35:45.000 Please, go ahead.

00:35:46.000 Because what you're saying may work in the world of business, because people have incentive to succeed in business, and that incentive is monetary success.

00:35:55.000 Not always monetary, but yes.

00:35:57.000 Okay.

00:35:57.000 Not always, but for the most part.

00:35:59.000 Yep.

00:36:00.000 Sure.

00:36:01.000 When you're talking about a school and you cut the funding for the school and say, hey, figure it out.

00:36:06.000 You guys decide how many administrators you want to keep.

00:36:09.000 Aren't the administrators essentially the bosses?

00:36:12.000 Aren't they the ones who are in control?

00:36:13.000 I mean, they're not going to get rid of their own jobs.

00:36:15.000 So what are they going to do?

00:36:16.000 Are they going to pay the teachers less?

00:36:18.000 Are they going to get inferior teachers?

00:36:19.000 It's a great question.

00:36:20.000 And ramp up their control of the cash flow because they realize that there's less of it?

00:36:26.000 It's a great question.

00:36:27.000 And here's the issue.

00:36:27.000 It's not going to happen overnight.

00:36:29.000 It's not like I went in November and go, great, all the money is gone.

00:36:32.000 It's not how it works.

00:36:33.000 I went in November.

00:36:34.000 People know what the plan is.

00:36:36.000 We start talking about it already.

00:36:37.000 We start bringing parents on board.

00:36:39.000 We start coming up with plans already.

00:36:40.000 The plans, it's like any other organization.

00:36:43.000 You're saying business.

00:36:44.000 This works in military.

00:36:46.000 This works in business.

00:36:48.000 It doesn't matter.

00:36:48.000 It works in everything.

00:36:49.000 It works in your family.

00:36:50.000 It doesn't matter.

00:36:51.000 If you knew that six months from now, you were going to have a significant decrease in your income, You wouldn't start to make change, particularly if there was someone above you saying, hey, Joe, you're going to have a decrease in your income.

00:37:02.000 How do we make this work?

00:37:04.000 What can we do?

00:37:05.000 If someone's there to guide you and you already have an infrastructure there, you'll begin to fix it.

00:37:11.000 My fear would be that they would have less teachers and they would have larger classes.

00:37:16.000 Totally possible.

00:37:17.000 And the administrators, because they're in control, people don't like to give up control.

00:37:21.000 But the administrators are actually in control.

00:37:23.000 Well, who's actually in control is the PTA, right?

00:37:25.000 The Parenting Association can have a lot.

00:37:27.000 So do you think the PTA would decide?

00:37:28.000 The school boards would decide.

00:37:29.000 But they would have to agree with you that they want to get rid of administrators.

00:37:34.000 Absolutely.

00:37:34.000 And if they didn't universally, if they didn't universally cross the board, then this fails miserably, and then classes get larger, and then kids get less attention, and then the already piss-poor education system, Sinks further into the abyss.

00:37:48.000 And we have two choices.

00:37:49.000 Number one, we can be afraid of that and stay a hostage to a terrible system that's not working and failing our kids and making us unhappy and destroying the state.

00:37:58.000 That's option one.

00:37:59.000 Or option two, do that and just watch over it, right?

00:38:04.000 Understanding that that could happen.

00:38:06.000 Because those aren't the only two options.

00:38:08.000 What's the other option?

00:38:09.000 Fund it more?

00:38:09.000 Yes, fund it more.

00:38:10.000 Boo!

00:38:11.000 Fund a bad system?

00:38:12.000 Boo!

00:38:13.000 No!

00:38:14.000 Why is that bad?

00:38:17.000 What's wrong with the system?

00:38:18.000 Let's go over that first.

00:38:19.000 I just told you already.

00:38:20.000 But I mean in terms of like how much money are they making, right?

00:38:24.000 And what would increasing that amount of money enhance?

00:38:29.000 Okay.

00:38:30.000 Two things to remember.

00:38:31.000 The first thing is there's no way in the world that a governor should be deciding what every teacher makes in a state.

00:38:39.000 That's just philosophically wrong.

00:38:41.000 So I'm never going to do that.

00:38:43.000 That is simply philosophically wrong.

00:38:44.000 It's against who I am.

00:38:46.000 Centralized control is a bad idea.

00:38:48.000 Localized control is always a better idea.

00:38:51.000 So that premise, I'm never going to even touch that.

00:38:55.000 What I'm trying to achieve here is to make change.

00:38:58.000 I know that locally there will be people who do it right because that always happens.

00:39:04.000 That's just how it works.

00:39:05.000 You will see out of 700 districts, some will decide to get together and mix districts together.

00:39:12.000 Some will decide not to.

00:39:13.000 Some will do different things.

00:39:14.000 You'll see it happen.

00:39:15.000 My point is this is a major overhaul.

00:39:17.000 I get it.

00:39:18.000 The businesses do it all the time.

00:39:20.000 Families do it all the time.

00:39:21.000 If you're able to watch it, I don't want to be the mother or the father.

00:39:27.000 Democrats want to be your mother.

00:39:28.000 They want to give you everything.

00:39:30.000 Republicans want to be your father and protect you from everything.

00:39:32.000 I want to be your brother.

00:39:33.000 I want to be the guy that you love.

00:39:34.000 You don't want to live with him, but you love him.

00:39:36.000 And when you need a ride to the airport, he's there for you.

00:39:38.000 I want to be the firefighter, the guy who comes to help when you need me.

00:39:41.000 Now, you're saying, but Larry's school district will fail.

00:39:43.000 Yes, some will.

00:39:44.000 No, that's not what I'm saying.

00:39:45.000 Well, okay, some might fail.

00:39:47.000 That's what you're saying.

00:39:48.000 I'm not even saying they might fail.

00:39:49.000 What I'm saying is that you're going to put them in a compromised situation.

00:39:52.000 Yes.

00:39:53.000 You're going to give them less money, and you're going to say, figure it out.

00:39:55.000 Yes, but not just...

00:39:57.000 See, you're assuming that it's just, here's money, good luck.

00:40:00.000 No, here's less money.

00:40:01.000 Yes.

00:40:02.000 Here's less money, and I think you have too many administrators.

00:40:05.000 Yep.

00:40:06.000 And let's talk this out over a series of several months.

00:40:09.000 When you talk to professional educators, do they agree that they have too many administrators and that they can do well with less money?

00:40:14.000 The teachers always do.

00:40:14.000 Yes.

00:40:14.000 So far, every teacher I've met.

00:40:15.000 Everyone.

00:40:16.000 But they agree they do well with less money?

00:40:18.000 If they didn't have administrators, yes.

00:40:20.000 And how much less money are you talking about?

00:40:22.000 I'm unsure to be far with you.

00:40:23.000 Not sure yet.

00:40:24.000 But you feel like the way to fix the education system is to cut funding.

00:40:29.000 That would, like, for people like me who are on the outside, you hear that and you go, ooh, I already feel like teachers are underappreciated and probably because of that unmotivated.

00:40:39.000 Because you decided to say the answer is cut funding.

00:40:43.000 It's not what I said.

00:40:43.000 No, no, no, no.

00:40:45.000 It's not what I said.

00:40:45.000 Regardless of what you're saying.

00:40:46.000 Yep.

00:40:47.000 Regardless of what you're saying.

00:40:48.000 Yep.

00:40:48.000 What I'm saying is, currently, even in California, forget about New York, I feel like teachers are underappreciated.

00:40:55.000 I would agree with that.

00:40:55.000 And I feel like it's a noble profession that's incredibly valuable, and the people should be able to make a decent living.

00:41:02.000 Agreed.

00:41:02.000 I don't know how the solution to that is to give less money to the school.

00:41:07.000 You're missing a very important point.

00:41:09.000 If you ask most teachers why they're underappreciated, most of them, they're not going to say that people like you and I don't appreciate them.

00:41:15.000 They're going to say, the system doesn't appreciate me.

00:41:18.000 That's why they're always fighting the system.

00:41:20.000 Oklahoma, they fought the system.

00:41:21.000 They're always fighting the system.

00:41:23.000 What I'm saying is fix the system.

00:41:26.000 The system is heavily controlled in many cases by the federal government, $4 billion worth.

00:41:30.000 So we have to lose $4 billion unless we want to keep the federal government in our system.

00:41:36.000 I don't want that.

00:41:37.000 Your fix is to let them figure it out.

00:41:39.000 Get the federal government out and let them figure it out with less money.

00:41:43.000 I have to push back here.

00:41:44.000 Okay.

00:41:45.000 You keep saying, let them figure it out.

00:41:47.000 As if I'm just going to walk away and say, oh, well, good luck.

00:41:49.000 I'm going to go off and hang out in Puerto Rico for a while.

00:41:53.000 No.

00:41:53.000 I'm saying I'm going to facilitate it because you know what I do?

00:41:56.000 I trust teachers more than I trust administrators.

00:41:58.000 I trust the local people that if I give them the right tools, they'll do the right thing.

00:42:03.000 But more importantly, they'll show others as long as they're transparent.

00:42:07.000 What's going to happen is they're going to figure out the right way to deal with teachers.

00:42:10.000 Should school district one hire more Spanish teachers versus school district two?

00:42:14.000 I don't know.

00:42:15.000 I'm not supposed to know that, but they do.

00:42:18.000 And if they make a mistake, then they'll fix it.

00:42:20.000 When you say they, are you talking about the teachers themselves or are you talking about these administrators who you want to eliminate in the first place?

00:42:27.000 I'm talking about the school boards.

00:42:28.000 The school boards.

00:42:29.000 The school boards are going to be the ones with the PTA. If we make this work the right way.

00:42:37.000 It will be everyone talking together.

00:42:40.000 It will be school boards talking to administrators, talking with teachers, talking with parents.

00:42:44.000 I don't want schools graded by standardized tests.

00:42:49.000 We've been doing that for years and we have very, very unhappy people, unhappy students, unhappy parents.

00:42:55.000 I want parents to be happier.

00:42:57.000 I want students to be happier.

00:42:59.000 And you might say, but then Larry, they won't learn certain things.

00:43:01.000 Is that a horrible thing?

00:43:02.000 I'd rather them be happy than learn AP chemistry.

00:43:07.000 Yes.

00:43:08.000 If that means one school district decides that AP chemistry isn't that important in their school district, it's fine.

00:43:13.000 Those kids will learn it in the prep school and some kids won't learn AP chemistry.

00:43:16.000 If that makes your school district happy, I'm okay with that because it goes to the next level, which of course becomes kids with special needs.

00:43:23.000 You have a special needs kid, how do you make that kid happy?

00:43:26.000 How do you decide whether that kid is successful or not?

00:43:28.000 The standardized testing doesn't work.

00:43:30.000 What do you do?

00:43:31.000 You start doing checkboxes.

00:43:32.000 Does that work?

00:43:33.000 Of course not.

00:43:33.000 That's why you literally have hundreds of parents every single year suing New York State because they weren't happy with their kids getting services but not getting better.

00:43:40.000 I want your kid getting better.

00:43:43.000 You're assuming that because the federal government puts these standards in that that makes them good or bad.

00:43:47.000 It doesn't.

00:43:48.000 If anything, it makes them worse.

00:43:50.000 I'm not assuming that.

00:43:52.000 If my kids are happy, that's what I want.

00:43:54.000 Happy New Yorkers means they stay in New York.

00:43:57.000 Happy New Yorkers means they grow their businesses in New York, keep their families in New York.

00:44:01.000 I get that, but saying happy and saying the solution and the key to happiness is funding them less and getting rid of administrators by letting them figure it out.

00:44:10.000 Oh my God, you're such a Democrat, Joe.

00:44:10.000 I'm not?

00:44:10.000 You're such a Democrat.

00:44:11.000 Yes, you are.

00:44:12.000 I'm definitely not.

00:44:12.000 You are so a Democrat.

00:44:13.000 How am I a Democrat?

00:44:15.000 Less funding means the world's ending.

00:44:17.000 Less funding means the world's ending.

00:44:18.000 You're a Democrat.

00:44:19.000 For a lot of people, they hear that you're going to take money away from schools.

00:44:22.000 The person who only hears that, if the person says all he's going to do is get rid of money from schools, that person is never going to vote for me.

00:44:29.000 That person is probably a Democrat.

00:44:30.000 That person is going to vote for Cuomo.

00:44:32.000 And that's fine.

00:44:33.000 I'm not going to win everybody.

00:44:34.000 I can't win everybody.

00:44:35.000 But I'm going to change a system that is completely broken.

00:44:37.000 If you say this, what you're talking about, people talk about the MTA also in New York City, the MTA. You got to keep fun of the MTA. I'm not going to be hostage to a shit system, period.

00:44:47.000 I don't care.

00:44:48.000 I'm not going to be hostage to a shit system.

00:45:13.000 I'm sorry.

00:45:16.000 No, I'm going to fix that system.

00:45:18.000 I'm going to help facilitate fixing that system.

00:45:22.000 I'm not just going to let them go away.

00:45:23.000 I'm not saying that.

00:45:24.000 What I'm saying is I'm going to help facilitate that system.

00:45:27.000 And to do that, we're going to lose $4 billion.

00:45:29.000 And we'll get over that.

00:45:30.000 We'll fix that.

00:45:31.000 We'll make it happen.

00:45:31.000 We'll make it work.

00:45:33.000 And if you get more people into this state, and this is the most important piece.

00:45:37.000 You can raise money through other ways than just raising taxes on people.

00:45:41.000 And this is the most critical piece.

00:45:43.000 When we hear funding, and this is why I was teasing you and calling you a Democrat, because when you talk about funding, you're talking about more taxes.

00:45:48.000 I'm not talking about that.

00:45:50.000 If you get more people to stay in New York State, you raise your revenue without having to raise taxes on anybody.

00:45:55.000 But if you raise your revenue, you're going to put more revenue into the schools?

00:45:58.000 Of course!

00:45:58.000 There'll be more people in the schools, more revenue.

00:46:00.000 Yes!

00:46:01.000 Absolutely!

00:46:01.000 So you'll spend more money in the schools?

00:46:02.000 There'll be more people in the schools and more taxes.

00:46:04.000 Of course we would!

00:46:06.000 Of course we would!

00:46:08.000 Of course!

00:46:09.000 New York State has a $170 billion budget with about a $4 billion deficit and $300 billion in debt.

00:46:16.000 And the answer for every Democrat and Republican is more funding.

00:46:19.000 There's going to be nothing left.

00:46:21.000 This state's going to go defund.

00:46:22.000 It's going to go under in 10 years.

00:46:25.000 So how do you get more people to come to the state?

00:46:26.000 All right.

00:46:27.000 First thing by having a really super cool education system I just talked about.

00:46:30.000 Super cool education system.

00:46:31.000 That'll get people to come back.

00:46:32.000 Are you going to hire someone to create this super cool education system?

00:46:35.000 Or are you going to let these teachers figure it out on their own?

00:46:38.000 Hey, teachers, build me a super cool education system so that we get more funding.

00:46:42.000 I already have the infrastructure for the super cool system I just told you.

00:46:46.000 I've already told you what the infrastructure is.

00:46:48.000 The concept of the skeleton is already there.

00:46:51.000 Now, once I win in November, we begin to build it out.

00:46:54.000 And yes, it'll be me and other people.

00:46:56.000 Be clear.

00:46:57.000 It's not like New York doesn't have enough – New York doesn't have enough workers.

00:47:01.000 We have tons of workers that we can absolutely use to make this happen.

00:47:04.000 Tons of them.

00:47:06.000 If I'm not mistaken, New York State has the most by percentage government employees I think in the nation.

00:47:12.000 I know we're the most unionized, but I think we're the most government employees by percentage.

00:47:16.000 So you're going to move their jobs to different jobs?

00:47:19.000 Sure.

00:47:19.000 Love it.

00:47:19.000 Yes, let's do that.

00:47:21.000 Love the idea.

00:47:22.000 You're asking details that are simple to fix when the time comes.

00:47:25.000 Simple to fix.

00:47:26.000 So you're going to take people out of what professions and move them into fixing these things?

00:47:31.000 Do you think I actually have decided for every person in New York State what they're going to do?

00:47:35.000 I don't know, that's why I'm asking you.

00:47:36.000 Of course not!

00:47:37.000 You're doing like a show now.

00:47:39.000 I'm not doing a show!

00:47:40.000 Do you?

00:47:41.000 You're a Democrat!

00:47:42.000 Look at you, you're a Democrat!

00:47:43.000 You are a Democrat!

00:47:44.000 I'm not.

00:47:44.000 I'm just asking you real, clean questions here.

00:47:49.000 You four times said you're gonna take money away from schools.

00:47:52.000 But you are, right?

00:47:53.000 Yes.

00:47:54.000 You've said like four times.

00:47:55.000 Right.

00:47:55.000 Because you keep going on about these other things.

00:47:59.000 Which is what matters more than losing $4 billion from education.

00:48:02.000 Right, but I just want to be clear about what you're saying, about what the actual plan is.

00:48:05.000 I'm going to fix this system by creating a good skeleton off the bat that people are going to enjoy and like.

00:48:11.000 And then once that went in November, we're going to fill that skeleton up.

00:48:14.000 To make an amazing school system that people are going to be proud of.

00:48:18.000 They're going to want to bring their people.

00:48:19.000 They're going to come back from North Carolina.

00:48:21.000 They're going to come back from Tennessee.

00:48:22.000 They're going to move from Pennsylvania and Massachusetts and want to be part of this system.

00:48:27.000 They're going to see schools that actually work well.

00:48:29.000 They're going to see prep schools get kids into college.

00:48:31.000 They're going to see colleges that actually educate kids and get them into jobs.

00:48:35.000 When they see that happen, they'll all start coming.

00:48:37.000 That's going to happen.

00:48:38.000 It doesn't happen by me saying, how do I fund this?

00:48:41.000 It doesn't happen by me saying, being afraid of making a step.

00:48:43.000 You don't have to have the perfect plan to move forward.

00:48:47.000 No plan is perfect anyway.

00:48:49.000 You want a good, solid plan with motivated people.

00:48:52.000 If you have motivated people to take up a plan, it'll wind up being successful.

00:48:56.000 Again, it's how it works.

00:48:58.000 So this grandiose plan is that you're going to get rid of the last two years of high school, and you're going to offer potential prep school for children, and you're going to, for other kids, offer them trade schools.

00:49:14.000 Sure.

00:49:14.000 You're going to get rid of $4 billion in federal funding.

00:49:17.000 You're going to let the schools figure out how many administrators they should have.

00:49:22.000 With help.

00:49:23.000 With help.

00:49:23.000 And what's the help?

00:49:24.000 Who are you going to hire to oversee this whole thing?

00:49:27.000 We'll figure it out.

00:49:28.000 You figure that out.

00:49:28.000 Yeah.

00:49:29.000 Look, I'm two months from the election, away from the election, and then at least six months from implementation.

00:49:35.000 Right.

00:49:36.000 At least.

00:49:37.000 That's probably low, probably more like nine.

00:49:40.000 Plenty of time.

00:49:41.000 This can't come into play until next September, at earliest.

00:49:46.000 The earliest it can come into play is next September.

00:49:48.000 I hope it's that fast.

00:49:49.000 That'd be amazing.

00:49:50.000 I hope it is that fast.

00:49:51.000 But it isn't five minutes.

00:49:53.000 I'm not doing this so I can become king.

00:49:56.000 We already have a king, and that's why we're in trouble.

00:49:58.000 I want to give localized control many more options.

00:50:02.000 I'm the crazy guy who actually means what he says when I say, let teachers teach.

00:50:07.000 I actually mean that.

00:50:09.000 Most people say it, and their response then becomes, give more administrators.

00:50:14.000 So you think what's stopping them now is standardized tests and administrators?

00:50:19.000 And then funding that's based on the success of the tests in these school districts.

00:50:25.000 That's correct.

00:50:25.000 The answer is always more funding.

00:50:26.000 The answer is always more funding.

00:50:28.000 And it isn't.

00:50:29.000 It is not that.

00:50:30.000 People always say, we have to fund, fund, fund.

00:50:32.000 That is not the answer.

00:50:33.000 There are better answers out there.

00:50:35.000 Of course there are.

00:50:36.000 Let me go to another piece on how to raise money.

00:50:39.000 Okay.

00:50:40.000 The first thing is, of course, as I mentioned, get more people.

00:50:43.000 If more people show up to the state.

00:50:44.000 New York State could, in theory, and this is theory, easily hold 30 million people.

00:50:50.000 The state.

00:50:51.000 The state could.

00:50:51.000 It's possible.

00:50:52.000 How many is in the city?

00:50:53.000 Seven?

00:50:54.000 There's about eight and a half in the city right now.

00:50:55.000 About eight and a half in the city right now.

00:50:56.000 Ooh, that's a lot.

00:50:57.000 It is a lot.

00:50:58.000 It's the largest city in the country by far.

00:51:01.000 It's over double Los Angeles.

00:51:02.000 Los Angeles is about, what, three and a half?

00:51:04.000 Am I mistaken?

00:51:05.000 Well, sort of.

00:51:06.000 LA, there's no end to it.

00:51:08.000 Yes, well, if you look at the metro area of New York City, it's actually 16 million.

00:51:14.000 Metro area is 16 million.

00:51:15.000 The actual city itself is eight and a half.

00:51:17.000 So it's by far the largest city in the nation.

00:51:20.000 So yes.

00:51:21.000 So it could, in theory, take 30 million people.

00:51:23.000 It's possible.

00:51:25.000 If we get that amount of people, oh my god, the tax revenue would be insane.

00:51:29.000 It would be great.

00:51:29.000 But how would you get people to move to New York State?

00:51:31.000 By having a better state.

00:51:32.000 And one of the things I mentioned was education.

00:51:33.000 But there are several other things you can do.

00:51:35.000 First off, why aren't we supporting small businesses?

00:51:37.000 And we don't in New York State.

00:51:38.000 We punish them.

00:51:39.000 We punish them.

00:51:40.000 But with licensing, we punish them.

00:51:41.000 In New York State, there's actually a license to braid hair.

00:51:44.000 There's a license to walk a dog.

00:51:46.000 There's all kinds of licenses like that.

00:51:46.000 You have to get a license to walk a dog?

00:51:48.000 That's correct.

00:51:48.000 Yes.

00:51:49.000 What's involved in that?

00:51:50.000 I don't know.

00:51:50.000 I'm not a dog walker.

00:51:52.000 I don't know.

00:51:52.000 There should be none.

00:51:54.000 Here's my rule in licensing.

00:51:55.000 I got a nice, good general rule.

00:51:57.000 Would you ask your friend to do it?

00:51:59.000 If you were a woman who had lots of long hair, would you ask your friend to braid your hair?

00:52:04.000 You probably would, wouldn't you?

00:52:05.000 Probably.

00:52:06.000 Yep, you probably would.

00:52:07.000 If you had a dog, I don't know if you have a dog, but assuming you have a dog, would you ask your friend to walk your dog?

00:52:11.000 Sure.

00:52:11.000 Sure, of course you would.

00:52:12.000 Why is there a license for that?

00:52:14.000 Would you ask your friend to remove your appendix?

00:52:17.000 Well, I think the idea would be that you wouldn't want someone to screw it up, so you'd want to make sure someone has insurance so that the consumer doesn't get ripped off.

00:52:25.000 Yes, but the appendix thing, you wouldn't let someone...

00:52:28.000 No.

00:52:28.000 Yeah, get a license for that, I'm fine.

00:52:29.000 Right.

00:52:29.000 Get a license for that.

00:52:30.000 But your point's a valid one.

00:52:32.000 How about instead, there's a difference between licensing and what you just said, which is insurance.

00:52:36.000 There's a difference.

00:52:37.000 Right.

00:52:37.000 Licensing says the government decides if you can or can't do it and if you don't, the government will fine you and or jail you.

00:52:44.000 That's a license.

00:52:45.000 So you don't have to have hair braiding insurance or dog walker insurance.

00:52:48.000 You might want to have insurance.

00:52:49.000 I didn't say that.

00:52:50.000 I said license.

00:52:51.000 There is a difference.

00:52:52.000 The assumption is – and you've made it by Make That Step.

00:52:55.000 You made the assumption which is licensing is for safety.

00:52:58.000 It is not.

00:52:59.000 It is for control.

00:53:00.000 That's all it's for.

00:53:00.000 An example I'll give you is vaping.

00:53:03.000 In New York State, many counties, you have to have a license for vaping.

00:53:06.000 So what does a license entail?

00:53:07.000 A license to sell?

00:53:08.000 Yes, to sell, to have a vaping store.

00:53:09.000 Yes, to have a vaping store, you have to have a license to have a vaping store.

00:53:12.000 Similar to that of having a tobacco store.

00:53:14.000 Similar.

00:53:14.000 Right.

00:53:14.000 Right?

00:53:15.000 They do that.

00:53:15.000 So you might say, well, vaping, a license, it's great.

00:53:17.000 It's for safety, right?

00:53:18.000 Well, does the person who has done the vaping store, maybe, I don't know, learn CPR or understand the effects of nicotine on the body?

00:53:27.000 No!

00:53:28.000 They have to write a check and fill out a form.

00:53:31.000 That's it.

00:53:33.000 There's no safety involved in the license.

00:53:35.000 And they have to be approved for a license.

00:53:37.000 That's correct.

00:53:37.000 Meaning they can't be a felon with a history of fraud.

00:53:41.000 I'm not sure if that's even the case in the vaping.

00:53:43.000 I don't think that's true.

00:53:44.000 I think in vaping that's not true.

00:53:45.000 In certain cases there are.

00:53:46.000 That's true.

00:53:47.000 In certain.

00:53:47.000 Isn't it a tobacco controlled substance?

00:53:49.000 It is.

00:53:50.000 So I would assume that they do have to have a license based on not being a felon.

00:53:54.000 For tobacco, perhaps.

00:53:55.000 Talk about vaping.

00:53:55.000 Vaping is not controlled.

00:53:56.000 Vaping is tobacco.

00:53:57.000 No, it is not.

00:53:58.000 It's not?

00:53:58.000 No, not at all.

00:53:59.000 But it's nicotine, right?

00:54:01.000 Some is, some is not.

00:54:02.000 No.

00:54:03.000 Vaping is basically a...

00:54:04.000 That is, though.

00:54:05.000 Isn't that a controlled substance?

00:54:06.000 No, not at all.

00:54:07.000 Nicotine?

00:54:08.000 I don't think it is.

00:54:10.000 I don't think it is.

00:54:11.000 Hmm.

00:54:11.000 Tobacco is, I know.

00:54:13.000 That's hilarious.

00:54:14.000 If tobacco itself is and the active ingredient isn't.

00:54:18.000 The point...

00:54:20.000 Of all of this is why is any of it controlled?

00:54:24.000 And why is vaping controlled?

00:54:27.000 If you're talking about safety, and let me go to safety.

00:54:30.000 I'm glad you brought this up.

00:54:32.000 Safety.

00:54:33.000 Everyone will tell me, well, licensing is for safety.

00:54:36.000 Regulations are for safety.

00:54:37.000 They're not.

00:54:38.000 They're not.

00:54:39.000 They're not.

00:54:40.000 And I'll give you the best example I can give you.

00:54:42.000 Health food stores.

00:54:43.000 The healthiest people you know shop at health food stores.

00:54:48.000 What is a health food store?

00:54:49.000 It's a store where you might go and buy vitamins that's not GNC. A store where you might go and purchase organic things that's not a regular...

00:55:00.000 Like Whole Foods?

00:55:01.000 Whole Foods is similar, but the mom and pop health food store, which generally speaking, is usually privately owned.

00:55:08.000 It's kind of a thing from the past, isn't it?

00:55:10.000 Health food store?

00:55:11.000 Yeah.

00:55:12.000 I say that because most people understand what I mean when I say that.

00:55:16.000 But if you didn't, I apologize.

00:55:17.000 Most people do understand when I say health.

00:55:18.000 I mean basically a local store that will sell things like vitamins and it will sell things like supplements.

00:55:24.000 It's like a GNC. Often it's a mix of like a GNC and grocery store, usually owned by an individual but not always our family.

00:55:31.000 But that kind of store.

00:55:33.000 Those stores are almost not regulated at all.

00:55:36.000 I mean… Probably 90% of their products have no FDA approval.

00:55:39.000 Right, because there's no FDA approval for supplements.

00:55:42.000 That's correct.

00:55:43.000 So there's just a stamp that says not approved by FDA, right?

00:55:47.000 Most of their products are.

00:55:49.000 Most of their products are just out there.

00:55:51.000 Where are all the deaths from healthful stores?

00:55:55.000 There aren't.

00:55:56.000 What health food stores have are standards.

00:55:59.000 Lots of standards.

00:56:00.000 Tons of standards.

00:56:01.000 Now, some people buy certain products because they believe in them.

00:56:04.000 Some people buy certain products because they believe in the brand name.

00:56:07.000 Up to them.

00:56:08.000 Some people go to certain stores.

00:56:08.000 They trust those stores.

00:56:10.000 It's fine.

00:56:10.000 It happens all the time.

00:56:11.000 It's a standard.

00:56:13.000 What would happen if, say, there was a health food store or even a GNC or any place like that, there was a supplement, that if you took that supplement and most people who took it would get addicted and do crazy things?

00:56:25.000 And that came out to the news.

00:56:26.000 Look, here it is.

00:56:27.000 If you take XYZ product, you'll probably go crazy or do something nuts or whatever.

00:56:31.000 Well, they've had that happen.

00:56:32.000 They've removed them.

00:56:33.000 Yes, that's correct.

00:56:35.000 Ripped fuel.

00:56:36.000 It goes away.

00:56:37.000 Yes.

00:56:37.000 That's exactly my point.

00:56:39.000 They kill you.

00:56:40.000 Thank you.

00:56:41.000 It goes away.

00:56:42.000 There's actual repercussions and it goes away, right?

00:56:45.000 And maybe there's a lawsuit, maybe not, but it goes away.

00:56:48.000 What if it's FDA approved?

00:56:50.000 Nothing happens.

00:56:52.000 80% of all of our addicts, FDA approved drugs.

00:56:55.000 Nothing happens.

00:56:56.000 When it's a government monopoly run by a government regulatory body, there's no percussions.

00:57:01.000 It just keeps killing us.

00:57:03.000 Well, that's certainly true for the pharmaceutical industry.

00:57:05.000 Yes, absolutely.

00:57:06.000 It just keeps killing us.

00:57:07.000 On and on and on and on.

00:57:10.000 If you want things to be safe, then let's focus on safety, not focus on control.

00:57:16.000 So I want products to be safe, not controlled.

00:57:20.000 Controlled is useless.

00:57:22.000 So how do you make sure that they're safe?

00:57:24.000 I'll use a health list of examples.

00:57:25.000 For example, how about competing standards?

00:57:27.000 Standards that are competing.

00:57:29.000 I don't have a problem with the government saying, these are the standards we believe are the appropriate standards to be safe.

00:57:35.000 They should do that, absolutely.

00:57:37.000 A product has a choice.

00:57:38.000 Take the stamp or not.

00:57:40.000 The only exception is, why are they punishing you if you choose not to?

00:57:44.000 So you're saying you don't have a problem with government stamps.

00:57:48.000 Not at all.

00:57:48.000 But it has to be something that is voluntary.

00:57:52.000 That's correct.

00:57:53.000 By the person who owns the store.

00:57:54.000 And by the consumer.

00:57:56.000 Now, my example I gave is this water probably has it.

00:58:00.000 Yes, it does.

00:58:00.000 It has that Circle U. The Circle U. Do you know what that means?

00:58:04.000 No.

00:58:04.000 It's the Orthodox Union, right?

00:58:06.000 I live in New York City.

00:58:07.000 It's a very high Jewish population in New York City.

00:58:09.000 I have many Jewish friends.

00:58:09.000 And the Orthodox Union means it's a kosher product.

00:58:12.000 Oh, so that water's kosher?

00:58:13.000 This water's kosher, yes.

00:58:14.000 How does it become kosher?

00:58:15.000 Do they have to bless it?

00:58:16.000 There's the issue.

00:58:16.000 I don't know.

00:58:17.000 They circle you on it.

00:58:18.000 Do you know?

00:58:18.000 So if you're Jewish and you care about keeping a kosher household, you would buy this product because you trust the circle you.

00:58:25.000 Is this kosher?

00:58:26.000 I don't know.

00:58:27.000 But the person who buys it believes it and buys it.

00:58:30.000 And what if they found out this water was not kosher?

00:58:32.000 Then there'd be a problem.

00:58:34.000 There'd be some kind of backlash.

00:58:36.000 Well, as a person who is a partner in a supplement company and also someone who works for the UFC, the UFC has giant issues with people taking tainted supplements, there's third-party independent verification, third-party independent testing.

00:58:53.000 Absolutely.

00:58:54.000 Really good supplement companies like Onnit and many others use where you can find out that you don't have tainted supplements.

00:59:01.000 Absolutely.

00:59:01.000 I'd rather have that.

00:59:03.000 Then how about we have those stamps on products?

00:59:05.000 I like that.

00:59:06.000 Yes, have the stamps.

00:59:07.000 And if you want to have a government stamp, have that.

00:59:08.000 And guess what?

00:59:09.000 Maybe you want four stamps.

00:59:10.000 Maybe you want the government stamp plus third-party stamp plus the Orthodox Union stamp.

00:59:13.000 Well, what I like about it also is it creates business.

00:59:16.000 Yes, it does.

00:59:17.000 It creates business.

00:59:17.000 It's a third-party independent company.

00:59:19.000 Absolutely.

00:59:19.000 It has their own personal standards, and when they're a really good company, you can rely upon them.

00:59:24.000 Yes.

00:59:24.000 And if you don't, you can have competing standards in multiple companies because you trust one company more than the other, or you want both to have that standard.

00:59:31.000 Is that a possible solution for education, a third-party independent verification of the education system?

00:59:37.000 We've been here for, what, about an hour or so, and you already gave a good idea.

00:59:40.000 Yes.

00:59:41.000 Exactly my point.

00:59:42.000 That seems like a good idea to me.

00:59:43.000 There we go.

00:59:44.000 Yeah.

00:59:45.000 That there should be some effective school system that works and then you take the people that run that effective school system and they have a curriculum and a way of doing things that they could perhaps teach other school systems.

00:59:58.000 That's the idea of transparency and accountability.

00:59:59.000 That's the whole point.

01:00:00.000 So this is the deal with people that are libertarian, right?

01:00:03.000 The idea is that you are a free market person and that you believe in the free market and you believe in less government.

01:00:09.000 I believe in the consumer.

01:00:11.000 I believe in the consumer because it's a general rule when things are consumer-driven.

01:00:16.000 And this is not 100% rule.

01:00:18.000 Look, government isn't always wrong.

01:00:19.000 It's often wrong, but not always.

01:00:21.000 And the consumer isn't always right, but often right.

01:00:24.000 So as a general rule, consumers tend to drive things better, like, as I said, kosher water, like supplements.

01:00:31.000 If you don't allow the consumer to decide, you by default stifle innovation.

01:00:35.000 You just stifle innovation.

01:00:37.000 You stifle everything new because if it can't get through the FDA, then it almost can't be done.

01:00:43.000 And you have centralized control that's very difficult to get past.

01:00:46.000 You got it.

01:00:47.000 Exactly right.

01:00:47.000 And they're not really motivated to improve or to innovate.

01:00:50.000 No.

01:00:50.000 And the opposite.

01:00:51.000 They're actually incentivized to make sure nothing goes wrong.

01:00:54.000 So always err on the side of no, no.

01:00:57.000 It becomes the rule of no one, meaning everything is about no.

01:01:00.000 There's no one's job to make it work.

01:01:02.000 This is my point on the education system.

01:01:05.000 The job – there has to be someone who says, we have to make this thing work.

01:01:11.000 I'm the guy who says that.

01:01:12.000 I want to make it work.

01:01:13.000 Let's make this thing work.

01:01:15.000 Let's just not make sure things go bad.

01:01:17.000 Let's make sure that things actually work.

01:01:19.000 Now, you obviously know far more about New York politics than I do.

01:01:24.000 I know very little about it.

01:01:25.000 But one thing that I do know is it's almost universally regarded as being insanely corrupt.

01:01:29.000 True.

01:01:30.000 You get to a position where you become the governor.

01:01:32.000 Yep.

01:01:32.000 How do you clean up that fucking hornet's door?

01:01:35.000 Yes.

01:01:37.000 The one thing people always say is, Larry, you got to clean it up, like you just said.

01:01:40.000 It's funny.

01:01:41.000 You say a lot of things I hear all the time.

01:01:42.000 You got to get these guys in jail.

01:01:43.000 You got to punish them, whatever.

01:01:45.000 I rarely talk about that.

01:01:47.000 And the reason is, okay, you put some guy in jail, you punish him, whatever the case may be.

01:01:52.000 Great!

01:01:52.000 Whose family came back from North Carolina?

01:01:54.000 Whose kid got a better education?

01:01:56.000 Who got a better job?

01:01:57.000 Whose taxes went down?

01:01:58.000 Who's happier?

01:02:00.000 Whose business didn't go under?

01:02:01.000 No one's helped by people going to jail.

01:02:03.000 We feel righteous, and then we pack up and move to North Carolina.

01:02:07.000 I mean, this is not the right answer.

01:02:09.000 North Carolina is beautiful.

01:02:10.000 It is.

01:02:11.000 That's part of the problem.

01:02:12.000 It is.

01:02:13.000 You go there, it's all green.

01:02:14.000 There's less people.

01:02:15.000 It's great.

01:02:15.000 People have a little twang to the way they talk.

01:02:18.000 Barbecue is pretty fucking good.

01:02:19.000 I'm trying to make sure a bunch of New Yorkers don't go there and ruin it.

01:02:21.000 See?

01:02:21.000 I understand.

01:02:22.000 I understand.

01:02:23.000 Let's keep it in New York.

01:02:24.000 Keep it in New York.

01:02:26.000 I want to keep them all in New York.

01:02:27.000 So my point being, I forgot my point now.

01:02:33.000 I don't know your point.

01:02:34.000 I don't know my point, Adam.

01:02:34.000 Corruption, getting rid of people, putting them in jail.

01:02:36.000 The goal is not to just put people in jail.

01:02:38.000 The goal is to make a better system.

01:02:39.000 Right.

01:02:40.000 Well, I'm not really even interested in putting them in jail.

01:02:42.000 What I'm interested in is figuring out a way to stop corruption.

01:02:45.000 Yes.

01:02:45.000 Several things.

01:02:46.000 The first thing.

01:02:46.000 First of all, you can't stop corruption.

01:02:48.000 You can absolutely lessen it and you can catch it fast.

01:02:51.000 That you can do.

01:02:52.000 You can make less corruption and catch it fast.

01:02:54.000 The thing to remember is the average person I think?

01:03:18.000 Less money.

01:03:19.000 The less money the governor has to give out, the less chance that there will be corruption.

01:03:22.000 That's number one.

01:03:23.000 But on top of that, New York State is filled with boards and committees and authorities and things that the governor creates to make other things happen.

01:03:33.000 We'll create this authority to make this happen and this commission to make that happen.

01:03:36.000 And then he appoints all of his cronies, all of his buddies onto these On to these commissions and boards and such.

01:03:42.000 Now, he now is one step away, but he has raised over $800,000 for his campaign for people he's put on boards.

01:03:48.000 So he gets lots of money from these people, rewards them by putting them on boards, and then they become corrupt.

01:03:53.000 If you've noticed in New York politics, many people have been indicted, arrested, convicted.

01:03:57.000 Almost every one of them is either on a board or a commission or authority.

01:04:02.000 Trashing those is a huge part of getting rid of corruption.

01:04:05.000 Getting rid of what we have in New York State, we have regional economic development corporations.

01:04:08.000 These are basically where the government decides where the money goes to develop areas.

01:04:13.000 Yes, the government decides where to develop areas.

01:04:16.000 You mean you're talking about real estate development?

01:04:18.000 Any kind of development, yes.

01:04:19.000 Yes.

01:04:19.000 Where are we going to put money into?

01:04:21.000 Whether it's going to be infrastructure, building a hospital, putting a new downtown in, all these types of things.

01:04:27.000 So who would decide then?

01:04:28.000 How about the local government?

01:04:30.000 The local people.

01:04:30.000 Yes, let them decide.

01:04:31.000 The local government.

01:04:32.000 The mayor.

01:04:32.000 Absolutely.

01:04:33.000 Why not?

01:04:33.000 Okay.

01:04:34.000 So instead of it being the government, you have it be the local.

01:04:37.000 Local and less tax.

01:04:38.000 Add something else.

01:04:39.000 How about just like bankers who want to invest in things?

01:04:43.000 Businessmen who think this is a good idea.

01:04:45.000 How about the local woman who thinks this is a great place for an open-up home new business?

01:04:50.000 How about the guy or gal who thinks this is a great place for a new school?

01:04:53.000 As opposed to what it is now, which is...

01:04:55.000 We all petition to the government.

01:04:56.000 I'm not joking.

01:04:57.000 We think we should.

01:04:58.000 The government then agrees, blesses it, gives us a certificate of need, and then says, here's government money to build this thing.

01:05:04.000 That is completely the wrong answer.

01:05:06.000 Right.

01:05:07.000 But there's got to be some regulation.

01:05:09.000 Like, you don't really want a nightclub opening up right next to a school.

01:05:12.000 There we go.

01:05:13.000 There's got to be some regulation.

01:05:14.000 Do you think that there should be?

01:05:15.000 Of course.

01:05:16.000 At what point did I say destroy everything?

01:05:19.000 Well, I'm not saying you did.

01:05:21.000 I never said that.

01:05:21.000 But I'm asking you if there should be some regulation.

01:05:24.000 Based upon safety, not control.

01:05:25.000 You're saying as if I'm arguing against you and I'm not.

01:05:28.000 Based upon safety, not control.

01:05:31.000 Safety.

01:05:31.000 If it's based upon safety, I'm in.

01:05:34.000 Right.

01:05:34.000 Like a school will be right next to a strip club.

01:05:37.000 Is that safety?

01:05:38.000 Right.

01:05:38.000 Is it?

01:05:39.000 Yeah, I would think so.

01:05:40.000 Then I'm okay with it.

01:05:40.000 I'm not sure that's true.

01:05:41.000 I don't know enough about that.

01:05:42.000 But if that's safety, I'm okay with that.

01:05:43.000 It's not safe for those kids.

01:05:44.000 Then there we go.

01:05:45.000 Some of those girls.

01:05:47.000 Then I'm fine with that.

01:05:48.000 I don't have a problem if it's based upon safety.

01:05:50.000 But just because I decide I don't like this thing here.

01:05:56.000 Right.

01:05:57.000 If someone wants to build it there, they'll build it there.

01:05:58.000 If the community doesn't want it there, as a general rule, the community doesn't support it.

01:06:02.000 What's the main argument against libertarian philosophy when you- Fear.

01:06:07.000 Fear.

01:06:07.000 Fear of change.

01:06:09.000 Fear of not having big brother in control.

01:06:12.000 Remember something in New York, I mean New York, in America in general.

01:06:15.000 As a general rule in America, the government does not just take our rights.

01:06:19.000 As a general rule, we eagerly vote them away because we're afraid.

01:06:23.000 I'm afraid, take my rights.

01:06:25.000 I'm afraid, take my rights.

01:06:26.000 That's what usually happens.

01:06:28.000 Fear is a problem, which is why, as you've said, will there be no regulation?

01:06:32.000 There are a lot of libertarians who probably heard that and went, yeah, Larry, say no regulation.

01:06:35.000 I'm not going to.

01:06:36.000 And here's the reason why.

01:06:37.000 If I decide to pull the rug out from people, they will be afraid.

01:06:41.000 People who are afraid make bad decisions all the time.

01:06:45.000 The word that I need to use more here, and maybe it's not landing, maybe this is my error for not making this land better, is facilitate.

01:06:51.000 I want to facilitate better options.

01:06:53.000 I want to facilitate better answers.

01:06:55.000 I'm not just going to go to the school system and say, take away the money, go away.

01:06:59.000 That would create fear and bad decisions.

01:07:02.000 What would you do?

01:07:03.000 Instead, I would say, in X number of months, the federal government regulations and the federal government dollars are going to go away, which means by this time, we're not going to have it, which means not only do you not have the money, but also you don't have these restrictions.

01:07:17.000 How can we fix this system so you don't have these restrictions anymore?

01:07:22.000 What can you make to be better, stronger, faster?

01:07:24.000 How can we do this now?

01:07:25.000 Let's talk this thing out.

01:07:26.000 Some people will fight me, of course.

01:07:28.000 Some people will not make a change, of course.

01:07:30.000 But some will go, oh my God, thank you so much, yes.

01:07:33.000 I would much rather not spend the money here, but I'd rather spend it here.

01:07:36.000 Okay, let's try that.

01:07:37.000 Let's do that.

01:07:38.000 And before, others will follow.

01:07:39.000 And then others will follow.

01:07:40.000 And that might take a year or two.

01:07:41.000 It might take three years.

01:07:43.000 But what will happen?

01:07:44.000 We'll have a much better, effective system.

01:07:47.000 Hopefully.

01:07:48.000 And when one fails...

01:07:49.000 But hopefully.

01:07:50.000 Why hopefully?

01:07:50.000 It hasn't been done yet.

01:07:51.000 Because it hasn't been done before.

01:07:52.000 Okay.

01:07:53.000 It's been done in everything.

01:07:54.000 I'll give you the best example I can give you.

01:07:55.000 With education?

01:07:57.000 I'll give you the best example I can give you.

01:07:58.000 Okay.

01:07:59.000 Google.

01:08:00.000 Google.

01:08:01.000 Google, yes.

01:08:02.000 Google had a program, and I think they still have it.

01:08:04.000 I'm sure someone will let me know if they don't, but I believe they do, to where you had an employee could choose to take 20% of their work time and do it on any project they wanted to.

01:08:16.000 Any project.

01:08:16.000 Whatever they want to do, you just work on if they wanted to.

01:08:18.000 It was voluntary.

01:08:19.000 You didn't have to.

01:08:19.000 You just do your regular workload if you wanted to.

01:08:21.000 But if you wanted to, you can take 20% and work on anything you want, whatever you think is appropriate.

01:08:24.000 The only rule was you have to be transparent and you're accountable to your team for what you did.

01:08:29.000 Again, freedom plus transparency plus accountability, right?

01:08:32.000 Boom.

01:08:32.000 That was it.

01:08:33.000 Many of the people who did things wound up doing things that didn't really work very well.

01:08:37.000 But when they did it, they said, hey, Joe, I went and tried this thing.

01:08:40.000 It didn't work.

01:08:40.000 You might have tried it too.

01:08:41.000 You learned something, figured things out, made it better.

01:08:44.000 But a bunch of their most profitable things, profitable applications, came from this.

01:08:50.000 Now, what actually wound up happening also is some people did 20%.

01:08:52.000 Some people worked even more.

01:08:54.000 They just got more work out of some people.

01:08:55.000 They got more innovation out of people because they were doing stuff they wanted to do.

01:08:59.000 Now, did everyone take it?

01:09:00.000 No.

01:09:00.000 Some people just did their own work and were happy with their own work, got their salary, and moved on.

01:09:04.000 But what happened is you got innovation and other people learned from it and it became better and better and better.

01:09:09.000 That happens all the time.

01:09:11.000 All the time.

01:09:12.000 That is a very different system than talking about the education system.

01:09:16.000 When you're talking about Google, you're talking about people that are hired to make money for a mega corporation that makes billions and billions of dollars.

01:09:24.000 Yep.

01:09:24.000 And you give them a chance because they're engineers and techies.

01:09:27.000 Yep.

01:09:27.000 You give them a chance to innovate.

01:09:29.000 Yep.

01:09:29.000 They innovate, but their financial incentive is massive.

01:09:33.000 The financial incentive hasn't changed.

01:09:35.000 I have a friend who's a big executive at Google.

01:09:37.000 They make a shitload of money.

01:09:39.000 Absolutely.

01:09:39.000 The people that work underneath them have the potential to move up that corporate ladder.

01:09:44.000 None of this financial incentive in the school systems.

01:09:46.000 Not only that, you're limiting their amount of money.

01:09:49.000 You're not just offering them the possibility to exchange creative ideas.

01:09:54.000 You're saying, we're going to give you less money and we're going to have the administrators who are still going to be in the position of power.

01:10:01.000 Everyone's going to have to figure this out.

01:10:03.000 This is not a parallel situation.

01:10:05.000 It absolutely is.

01:10:06.000 Let me tell you why it is.

01:10:07.000 How is it a parallel situation?

01:10:07.000 I'll tell you why it is.

01:10:08.000 The first thing is, the people who get into teaching They don't get in because, my God, I'll make millions of dollars.

01:10:14.000 They don't do that.

01:10:15.000 They get into it because they think it's a viable career path for them.

01:10:19.000 They have skill at it.

01:10:20.000 They enjoy doing it.

01:10:21.000 Yes.

01:10:22.000 And they want to make a difference.

01:10:23.000 All those things.

01:10:23.000 Yes.

01:10:24.000 That's correct.

01:10:24.000 If you're lucky.

01:10:26.000 If everyone's lucky, that's what they do it for.

01:10:28.000 Well, the same thing with Google, right?

01:10:30.000 Does everyone go there because they want to make tons of money?

01:10:31.000 No.

01:10:32.000 A lot of them do.

01:10:32.000 Sure.

01:10:33.000 And a lot of teachers go there because they want to make a difference.

01:10:35.000 Yes.

01:10:36.000 I don't think anybody's going to Google because they want to make a difference.

01:10:39.000 No, no.

01:10:39.000 Teachers.

01:10:40.000 Teachers.

01:10:41.000 Yes.

01:10:41.000 Okay.

01:10:42.000 So how are they parallel?

01:10:43.000 Some people go to Google.

01:10:45.000 Because one of them is a giant business.

01:10:46.000 One of the biggest businesses in the world.

01:10:49.000 And the New York State school system is a $60 billion business.

01:10:54.000 Still a bunch of money.

01:10:55.000 It's not profitable.

01:10:56.000 That's for sure.

01:10:57.000 It's not the same thing.

01:10:58.000 I agree.

01:10:58.000 It's not the same thing by any stretch of the imagination.

01:11:00.000 And it's certainly not profitable for the individuals that are involved in this innovation that you seek.

01:11:05.000 And I think you are wrong in many ways.

01:11:07.000 How am I wrong that it's not profitable for the individuals that you're asking to innovate?

01:11:12.000 You are assuming because we lose $4 billion, your assumption is that means teachers don't get more money.

01:11:19.000 That's your assumption.

01:11:20.000 How are the teachers going to get more money if you're giving them less money?

01:11:23.000 I'm not giving teachers less money.

01:11:24.000 You're giving the school less money.

01:11:25.000 That's correct.

01:11:26.000 The school district less money.

01:11:27.000 So how are the teachers not going to get less money if the schools get less money?

01:11:30.000 Well, what if you got rid of, I don't know, a bunch of administrators?

01:11:33.000 What if you got rid of...

01:11:34.000 But you would have to...

01:11:35.000 Who would decide that these administrators are removed?

01:11:38.000 I don't know how many times I've got to say this.

01:11:40.000 But you never said anything clear.

01:11:41.000 That's why I'm asking you over and over and over again.

01:11:43.000 Yes.

01:11:44.000 This is not clear.

01:11:45.000 You're saying it's going to work itself out.

01:11:47.000 Yes, we're going to facilitate it.

01:11:49.000 But then you're comparing this to Google when you're giving people who are making a fantastic salary the ability to innovate for 20% of their time.

01:11:56.000 Sure, absolutely.

01:11:57.000 I don't think these are valid comparisons.

01:11:59.000 Humans are humans.

01:12:01.000 We want to have purpose.

01:12:03.000 We want to do better at whatever we're doing.

01:12:06.000 We want to have accolades from those we respect.

01:12:08.000 That's what humans want.

01:12:10.000 Okay, I agree with that.

01:12:10.000 Period.

01:12:11.000 No matter what, humans want that.

01:12:12.000 Right.

01:12:12.000 If you're a teacher, you want accolades from those you respect.

01:12:16.000 You want to be good at what you do.

01:12:18.000 You also want to be able to feed your family.

01:12:19.000 You also want to be able to make a living.

01:12:21.000 So...

01:12:21.000 And most of them make piss poor money.

01:12:24.000 All right.

01:12:24.000 This isn't Oklahoma.

01:12:26.000 It's New York State.

01:12:27.000 Right.

01:12:27.000 So...

01:12:29.000 Most of them are doing well enough to not starve to death.

01:12:32.000 That's not true.

01:12:33.000 I'm not sure how much a teacher makes.

01:12:35.000 Didn't you just get done saying how expensive it is to live in New York?

01:12:37.000 It is expensive, yes.

01:12:38.000 Taxes are outrageous.

01:12:39.000 Real estate's outrageous.

01:12:41.000 Absolutely.

01:12:41.000 People are moving out in droves.

01:12:42.000 It's true.

01:12:43.000 And then there's gonna be less money for people that already get paid less than they should.

01:12:48.000 I'm not saying that's true.

01:12:50.000 You're saying that's true.

01:12:51.000 But there's gonna be less money that goes to the school.

01:12:52.000 That goes to a school district, yes.

01:12:55.000 So how is that not going to translate into less money that goes to the teachers unless...

01:12:59.000 I will try it again.

01:13:01.000 No, no, no.

01:13:01.000 You've never said it.

01:13:02.000 Tell me what you want me to say.

01:13:03.000 No one has decided how this is going to somehow or another benefit the teachers.

01:13:08.000 Yes.

01:13:09.000 You're not firing these administrators.

01:13:11.000 You're making everybody figured out on their own.

01:13:13.000 No, no.

01:13:13.000 The administrators will wind up being fired.

01:13:15.000 They will.

01:13:17.000 By who?

01:13:17.000 By what?

01:13:18.000 The PTA. I'm sorry, PTA. The school boards.

01:13:21.000 They will begin to.

01:13:22.000 It's going to happen.

01:13:22.000 We're going to facilitate the way out.

01:13:24.000 It's going to happen.

01:13:25.000 If you want me to say, there are 700 school districts, and I'm going to fire that guy, that guy, that guy, that guy, that guy, and I'm literally two months out from the election, and then at least nine months from implementing it, you're simply asking too much of me.

01:13:41.000 Just asking too much of me.

01:13:43.000 The skeleton is built.

01:13:44.000 The idea is good.

01:13:45.000 It will work.

01:13:46.000 Will we fill in?

01:13:47.000 Of course we will.

01:13:48.000 Absolutely.

01:13:49.000 How am I going to know which guy to fire and I'm a year out from doing this?

01:13:52.000 You simply ask too much of me.

01:13:54.000 It's an unfair question.

01:13:55.000 It's an unfair question.

01:13:56.000 I'm not asking you which particular human being to fire.

01:13:59.000 I'm asking you how you're going to facilitate...

01:14:02.000 Paying less money to these school districts and somehow or another having them organize the right way to make the school system run smoother and more efficiently while you're comparing it to people who work at a multi-billion dollar tech company where you're allowing engineers who get paid substantial amounts of money to innovate for 20% of their time.

01:14:24.000 And I'm saying that this is not a valid comparison.

01:14:26.000 And I'm saying you're incorrect because they're both human.

01:14:29.000 Humans want to be good at what they want to be.

01:14:33.000 The reality of it is, as I said earlier, a lot of school districts won't do much different at all.

01:14:38.000 But there will always be early adopters.

01:14:40.000 That happens in everything.

01:14:41.000 There will always be early adopters.

01:14:43.000 And some people will jump in and go, this is a wonderful idea.

01:14:46.000 Let's start working on this now.

01:14:48.000 And some will.

01:14:49.000 Some school districts will do absolutely nothing.

01:14:50.000 And they will think Larry's going to fail.

01:14:52.000 Who cares?

01:14:53.000 Let's change nothing.

01:14:54.000 Of course.

01:14:55.000 And probably most will do absolutely nothing once I'm elected.

01:14:58.000 Nothing.

01:14:59.000 But a bunch are going to say, oh my god, what an awesome thing this is.

01:15:02.000 And they'll begin making changes right away.

01:15:04.000 And as they do, we'll start watching.

01:15:06.000 Oh, what are you proposing?

01:15:07.000 What's the right way?

01:15:08.000 That sounds great.

01:15:10.000 What do you think?

01:15:11.000 What do you think?

01:15:12.000 As I said, I'm a business guy.

01:15:13.000 I go in, I've been an officer in a public company for a short period of time twice.

01:15:17.000 And in both cases when I went in, I didn't go in going, you, you, you, you, that's TV show stuff.

01:15:23.000 That's not how it works.

01:15:24.000 How it works is you walk in, you talk to people, you begin to figure out what's going on, you try new things until the right thing works.

01:15:30.000 That's how you fix a business.

01:15:32.000 And if you know anyone who does it, they'll tell you that's how you do it.

01:15:35.000 You don't walk in and go, I know everything.

01:15:36.000 That's how it works.

01:15:37.000 Well, let me come at you from a position of fear.

01:15:40.000 Please.

01:15:40.000 Let's pretend that I'm a parent, and I'm hearing this plan, and I'm thinking, this is not a plan.

01:15:46.000 You're eliminating money.

01:15:48.000 What if my school system doesn't figure out a way to innovate?

01:15:52.000 What if they cut funding?

01:15:53.000 What if the kids' classes get bigger?

01:15:55.000 What if there's just a mass panic throughout the organization because you essentially gutted their infrastructure?

01:16:03.000 Wow, I gutted their infrastructure.

01:16:05.000 I really hope they don't believe that.

01:16:06.000 But they might.

01:16:06.000 You're right.

01:16:06.000 They might.

01:16:07.000 That would be a valid argument.

01:16:08.000 If I was your opponent, that's absolutely what I would argue.

01:16:10.000 Sure.

01:16:11.000 And I guess you could argue that if you wanted to.

01:16:13.000 Here's my response.

01:16:14.000 Okay.

01:16:15.000 Keep the same system.

01:16:17.000 Keep paying your same taxes.

01:16:20.000 Keep your kids unhappy.

01:16:22.000 Sue the state.

01:16:23.000 And you can pack up and move to South Carolina this time instead of North Carolina or Tennessee instead of North Carolina or Florida.

01:16:31.000 You can pack up and move if you want to.

01:16:33.000 That is an option for you.

01:16:34.000 If I was your opponent, I would say that is a ridiculous proposition.

01:16:38.000 So you're saying either we keep the current system...

01:16:42.000 Or we adopt your system.

01:16:44.000 These are the only two options.

01:16:46.000 We either leave or we take your option.

01:16:49.000 And your opponent would say, why don't you throw more money at these teachers, give them more incentive to succeed, figure out a way to take money away from something else and apply it to education because we believe that it is the least appreciated thing that is the most important.

01:17:06.000 Because we've been doing that for 20 years and failing.

01:17:09.000 That's why.

01:17:09.000 They happen?

01:17:10.000 Yes.

01:17:10.000 They've been paying teachers more for 20 years?

01:17:12.000 No, but they've been throwing more money at the system.

01:17:14.000 For 20 years.

01:17:15.000 In regard to hiring administrators.

01:17:17.000 Yes, they've been throwing money.

01:17:18.000 We've been doing it for 20 years.

01:17:20.000 It hasn't worked yet.

01:17:20.000 When are you going to stop?

01:17:21.000 That's my response.

01:17:22.000 We've been doing it for 20 years at least.

01:17:25.000 We spend more money per kid than California does and we have worse results.

01:17:32.000 If you're happy with that system, awesome!

01:17:35.000 Vote Cuomo.

01:17:36.000 You'll get it.

01:17:37.000 You'll keep it.

01:17:38.000 No worries.

01:17:40.000 But if you actually want change, if you're unhappy with the system, you got to change it.

01:17:44.000 Have you debated the system with people?

01:17:46.000 All the time.

01:17:46.000 What I'm doing right now, I do the same thing.

01:17:48.000 Yeah, but I haven't even prepared and I'm finding all these problems with it.

01:17:51.000 You haven't given me one problem at all.

01:17:53.000 I haven't given you any problem?

01:17:54.000 What have you heard me say?

01:17:55.000 Not one.

01:17:56.000 You just said, I'm afraid, I'm afraid, I'm afraid.

01:17:57.000 That's not what I said.

01:17:59.000 That's what I heard.

01:18:00.000 I haven't said I'm afraid.

01:18:01.000 Never said that once.

01:18:03.000 You said, but what if, but what if, but what if, but what if, but what if, but what if.

01:18:06.000 Because I'm asking you questions.

01:18:06.000 That's not saying I'm afraid.

01:18:07.000 Which says I'm afraid, I'm afraid, I'm afraid.

01:18:09.000 That's what I hear.

01:18:10.000 But what if is asking you to define how your system is going to succeed.

01:18:15.000 It's not saying I'm afraid.

01:18:18.000 That's hyperbole.

01:18:20.000 Didn't you just say, maybe I didn't hear you correctly, but didn't you just say, but what if this bad thing happens?

01:18:27.000 What if it's my school district?

01:18:29.000 No, no, no.

01:18:29.000 What I did there is I had an exercise where I played a parent who was scared.

01:18:34.000 I didn't say that's me.

01:18:37.000 And I'm telling you, as a person who's not debating you, I'm just asking you questions about this.

01:18:41.000 Please.

01:18:42.000 I'm curious, but I see massive flaws in the logic behind allowing these systems to figure out how to eliminate administrators in order to stay alive with less money.

01:18:53.000 I'll try it again.

01:18:55.000 I'm facilitating this to make it happen.

01:18:57.000 I'm going to oversee it, of course.

01:19:00.000 There's already administrators at Albany who can help to facilitate these.

01:19:04.000 I understand.

01:19:04.000 I understand what you've said, and you can repeat it ad nauseum.

01:19:07.000 I'm curious about it, but it seems very loosely defined, and it's very confusing.

01:19:12.000 I would agree with you.

01:19:13.000 I don't think it's confusing at all.

01:19:14.000 Loosely defined as true, it's a skeleton, and it's a good skeleton.

01:19:17.000 Well, it's confusing in the fact that you have these administrators, and they're in this position where you're going to eliminate some of them, but you don't know how many or which way or how to do that, and you're going to allow the PTA and the teachers' unions to figure this out.

01:19:31.000 Or not the teachers unions, but whoever it would be.

01:19:33.000 The unions will be part of it too, of course.

01:19:34.000 Look, unions will be part of it.

01:19:35.000 PTAs will be part of it.

01:19:36.000 School boards will be part of it.

01:19:37.000 Of course.

01:19:38.000 Albany's administrators will be part of it.

01:19:39.000 Of course.

01:19:41.000 You can't do a long-term solution for any problem by just dictating what is right and what is wrong.

01:19:48.000 I agree with you.

01:19:49.000 But the people that are worried about the short-term consequences are the ones that are going to vote for you.

01:19:54.000 Or not vote for you?

01:19:55.000 Probably not vote for me.

01:19:56.000 My assumption is not vote for me.

01:19:58.000 I'm with you.

01:19:59.000 I think most people who are afraid of that, who think the way you're presenting to me, most of them are not going to vote for me.

01:20:05.000 But you've got to play devil's advocate with yourself when you're going over these things.

01:20:09.000 Of course!

01:20:09.000 And here's what I know for sure.

01:20:10.000 There are a bunch of people who are not going to vote for me.

01:20:13.000 I'm okay with that.

01:20:15.000 I'm still right.

01:20:16.000 It's the right answer.

01:20:17.000 Whether I win, lose, or draw, everything I'm saying is true and right.

01:20:21.000 And there is no better alternative in New York State, period.

01:20:25.000 Every other person who's running is saying, we have to fund more, fund more, fund more.

01:20:30.000 That's not going to work.

01:20:31.000 That I'm sure of.

01:20:32.000 And anyone who knows the system also knows that.

01:20:35.000 Is it impossible that funding more is going to work?

01:20:37.000 That's correct.

01:20:38.000 Why is that?

01:20:38.000 Because you're not changing the system itself.

01:20:40.000 You still just have a bunch of teachers being told your goal is high test scores in standardized testing.

01:20:48.000 That's your goal.

01:20:49.000 That's how you're funded.

01:20:50.000 That's how you're judged.

01:20:51.000 That's how you decide if you're going to stay a teacher or not.

01:20:54.000 That's everything.

01:20:55.000 That's the current system.

01:20:57.000 And there's no opposition to that other than you?

01:20:59.000 That is correct.

01:21:00.000 Yes.

01:21:00.000 So everyone else wants the people that are doing the best to get more money.

01:21:05.000 The people that are doing the best.

01:21:07.000 The school systems.

01:21:07.000 No, no, no.

01:21:08.000 They judge them by standardized testing.

01:21:10.000 Right.

01:21:10.000 But they're doing the best.

01:21:11.000 No, they're not.

01:21:12.000 They have the best tests.

01:21:13.000 But whoever's doing the best, whoever's getting the best scores, those are the ones that are getting the most money.

01:21:17.000 That's correct.

01:21:17.000 The people that are doing the best.

01:21:19.000 Yes.

01:21:19.000 No, not doing the best.

01:21:20.000 Best scores.

01:21:22.000 The scores don't mean anything.

01:21:24.000 Well, they mean something.

01:21:25.000 You take a test.

01:21:26.000 So?

01:21:27.000 I mean, it means something.

01:21:28.000 It means you're a good test taker.

01:21:30.000 It means you're better at the test.

01:21:31.000 That's true.

01:21:32.000 You're better at tests.

01:21:33.000 That's correct.

01:21:34.000 Yeah.

01:21:34.000 But standardized test taking.

01:21:38.000 Is no indication of success.

01:21:39.000 What is a good indication of success?

01:21:42.000 Emotional intelligence, but you can't measure that.

01:21:45.000 Emotional intelligence?

01:21:46.000 Yes.

01:21:46.000 But that's not going to work for schools.

01:21:49.000 Right.

01:21:50.000 But if you're teaching kids, how do you judge whether or not you're doing a good job?

01:21:57.000 Other than tests.

01:21:58.000 How would you judge, as an example, how do you judge things when they're hard to judge?

01:22:04.000 And I bring this up in my business often.

01:22:06.000 When it's not easy to find a win, if I don't know what a win is, how do I figure out what a win is?

01:22:13.000 Sometimes it can be challenging.

01:22:15.000 Right?

01:22:15.000 If you own a supplement company, you might judge it on sales, which is a lot easier.

01:22:21.000 But you might not.

01:22:22.000 You might judge it on something like how many of your competitors, how many of your customers are professional athletes.

01:22:29.000 You might judge it on something like that.

01:22:30.000 You could find another way of judging it if you felt appropriate, depending upon what you thought was a win or valuable.

01:22:36.000 The same thing could happen in schools.

01:22:37.000 You could judge it by simply how many parents are happy.

01:22:40.000 And you could judge them by how many show up.

01:22:43.000 You could judge them by having an actual rating system similar to how Google rates things or Yelp rates things.

01:22:49.000 There's many ways you could judge it.

01:22:51.000 A rating system to how well the kids are doing?

01:22:52.000 You could in theory, sure.

01:22:53.000 It's another option, of course.

01:22:54.000 But how would you be able to figure it out?

01:22:56.000 Like, spell this out for me.

01:23:01.000 Well, I don't...

01:23:01.000 What's your question?

01:23:03.000 You're saying a rating system for kids.

01:23:05.000 Yeah, you could create a rating system.

01:23:07.000 What could that be?

01:23:07.000 Could be parents judge the school.

01:23:09.000 Could be the teachers do a 360 on themselves, right?

01:23:12.000 Many businesses will do a 360. I don't know if you know what that means.

01:23:15.000 I'm sorry.

01:23:15.000 No, I don't.

01:23:15.000 It's a business thing.

01:23:17.000 Sometimes what will happen is in a business, how you judge the individual is you do what's called a 360. And people who are around that person will judge them usually anonymously.

01:23:28.000 So the person maybe has seven juniors, seven peers, and three or four seniors.

01:23:33.000 They'll pick a couple of juniors, a couple of peers, and a couple of seniors who will then grade this person.

01:23:38.000 It's called a 360. And now that person gets graded every six months or every year or depending upon the company every quarter.

01:23:44.000 And now you know how the person is doing because everyone around them is judging him or her.

01:23:48.000 So the teachers are judging each other.

01:23:50.000 They could do that too.

01:23:50.000 Sure.

01:23:51.000 You're asking me for a specific plan?

01:23:53.000 Could be.

01:23:53.000 I think these are all viable plans.

01:23:54.000 Well, what I'm saying is what would be a viable alternative to testing to find out how well children are doing?

01:24:01.000 Could be graduation rate.

01:24:02.000 How about graduation rate?

01:24:04.000 I like that too.

01:24:05.000 Graduation rate could work.

01:24:06.000 It's a great way.

01:24:07.000 But by what standard are they graduating if they're not taking tests?

01:24:10.000 I didn't say not taking tests.

01:24:11.000 They're not taking standardized tests.

01:24:12.000 They're not taking standardized tests.

01:24:14.000 That's what I said.

01:24:14.000 So they're taking some tests.

01:24:16.000 Of course.

01:24:16.000 So you're judging them by these tests.

01:24:18.000 That's correct.

01:24:19.000 But not standardized tests.

01:24:20.000 That is correct.

01:24:21.000 That's why I said- What is the difference between the tests that you would judge them on and standardized tests?

01:24:24.000 Sure.

01:24:25.000 A standardized test is usually given by federal or state authorities.

01:24:29.000 It's usually written someplace out of state.

01:24:31.000 It's usually decided based upon the company that bids the right bid.

01:24:35.000 And it doesn't necessarily decide what's important to the local kids or to the parents.

01:24:39.000 So what would be the difference in the test that you would give these kids?

01:24:43.000 The teachers would have their own tests.

01:24:44.000 So there would be no standard that the state would enforce?

01:24:49.000 They would all be up to the community?

01:24:51.000 Sure.

01:24:52.000 Love the idea.

01:24:54.000 I love the idea.

01:24:55.000 Let the school districts create their own tests and the odds are they'll wind up copying each other most of the time anyway.

01:25:00.000 It's fine.

01:25:01.000 We'll see what works.

01:25:02.000 The issue is you're assuming that a standardized test has value.

01:25:05.000 I don't.

01:25:05.000 I'm not assuming a standardized test has value.

01:25:07.000 I'm just asking you what would the alternative to a standardized test would be.

01:25:10.000 Is a district-wide test.

01:25:13.000 District-wide.

01:25:14.000 Yeah.

01:25:14.000 What's wrong with that?

01:25:15.000 That's a great idea.

01:25:15.000 So it's standardized for the district?

01:25:17.000 For the district.

01:25:17.000 I'll take that.

01:25:18.000 Sure.

01:25:18.000 Much better.

01:25:19.000 Why would that be better than for the state?

01:25:20.000 Because each school district is different because each county in New York State is different.

01:25:28.000 Each region is different.

01:25:29.000 How are they different?

01:25:30.000 They're just physically, socially, they're different regions.

01:25:34.000 So they should have different standards?

01:25:36.000 Sure.

01:25:36.000 In terms of how they graduate and what an A is and what's a pass?

01:25:43.000 How you get through school and with that, would it be even across the board?

01:25:49.000 I mean, would you have schools that would be better?

01:25:52.000 Would you have schools that would be worse and they would all have the same grades?

01:25:55.000 Look, if you wanted to, I think you could easily create a system to where at the end of the day, meaning at the end, meaning 16 in this case, right?

01:26:04.000 I'm talking K through 10. At a K-10 where there is one statewide standardized test, which is why I said no standardized testing until high school, right?

01:26:12.000 So prior to high school, I don't want standardized testing.

01:26:17.000 At high school, I'm fine with it.

01:26:18.000 At that point, the kids are a bit more mature.

01:26:21.000 The kids kind of know where they're going.

01:26:23.000 The standardized testing will have more value for them in that regard because they'll know, wait a minute, I'm doing standardized testing because I'm thinking, do I want to go to college?

01:26:29.000 Do I want to go to prep school?

01:26:31.000 Do I want to go to trade school?

01:26:32.000 Okay, so you're okay with standardized testing in high school.

01:26:35.000 That's what I said.

01:26:36.000 Okay, so for 14 to 16, basically just two years.

01:26:38.000 That's correct.

01:26:39.000 Yes.

01:26:39.000 In those areas, I'm totally happy with that because at that point, the kids are deciding where they want to go.

01:26:44.000 And being a good test taker in those years might make you think, you know what?

01:26:48.000 Maybe I'm good for sciences.

01:26:49.000 Maybe I'm good for math.

01:26:51.000 Maybe I should be a plumber.

01:26:52.000 Maybe I should be a truck driver.

01:26:54.000 Maybe I should be an insert thing here.

01:26:55.000 Maybe I should be a teacher.

01:26:56.000 So I'm totally happy in high school.

01:26:58.000 That's why I said until high school.

01:27:00.000 Doing it in the youth doesn't do anything except make things bad.

01:27:05.000 So once we get to the high school level, yeah, there's standardized testing at that point.

01:27:08.000 But I'm saying before that.

01:27:10.000 But before that is when the kids are building up who they are.

01:27:14.000 Right?

01:27:14.000 Before that is when the kids are building up who they are as students, as who they think they are in their life.

01:27:19.000 Are you familiar with other types of teaching, like Waldorf or some of the other alternative forms of education?

01:27:26.000 Have you ever looked at those models?

01:27:29.000 I have not.

01:27:30.000 No?

01:27:30.000 I have not.

01:27:31.000 I'm not a teacher.

01:27:32.000 Yeah.

01:27:32.000 I have not.

01:27:33.000 But I'm happy to look at those too.

01:27:35.000 I'm happy to look at them.

01:27:36.000 If those are models that would give our kids an upper hand and a better chance of success, I would happily take them.

01:27:44.000 If they are, I'm happy to do that.

01:27:47.000 To be forward with you, as I'm trying to tell you, everything you're saying right now, in the conversation we've had in the past hour and a half, you've already come up with some different ideas and such.

01:27:55.000 Already you have.

01:27:56.000 Can you imagine what teachers would do once they had this?

01:27:59.000 The concepts and ideas they would come up with.

01:28:01.000 We could facilitate things actually working.

01:28:02.000 Maybe even by region.

01:28:04.000 Maybe even by county.

01:28:05.000 Maybe even counties that would test.

01:28:07.000 Maybe even test schools.

01:28:08.000 Schools that would test things out for a year.

01:28:10.000 Can you imagine even that?

01:28:11.000 Any teachers have the kind of freedom to innovate in any foreseeable future like that.

01:28:17.000 Yes.

01:28:18.000 And decide.

01:28:19.000 Decide some of the things that we've talked about now.

01:28:21.000 Have third-party certifications and trying to figure out.

01:28:24.000 Absolutely, yes.

01:28:26.000 What you're hearing me say, which is why so many people get...

01:28:34.000 Yes!

01:28:38.000 Because my state is collapsing.

01:28:41.000 And I understand that.

01:28:42.000 Radical change.

01:28:43.000 Yes!

01:28:43.000 Do you think it's collapsing or do you think the current numbers are just unsustainable?

01:28:47.000 Is there a difference?

01:28:48.000 Yeah.

01:28:49.000 The difference is it'll still maintain, but there'll be less people.

01:28:52.000 It's not collapsing.

01:28:53.000 I don't see that.

01:28:54.000 Collapsing to me seems like it's falling apart.

01:28:56.000 Yes, that's what I see.

01:28:57.000 I think there's a lot of people that are in New York that are like, holy shit, this is too much.

01:29:00.000 I've got to get out of here.

01:29:01.000 Which in my eyes tells me that it's collapsing because you have a situation where you have counties that are one-third of Medicaid, one-third of Medicare, I don't see it stopping.

01:29:23.000 I just see larger chunks of Medicaid, Medicare.

01:29:27.000 And at one point when it's Medicare, even they pack up and head to Florida, North Carolina, South Carolina, right?

01:29:33.000 Families are keeping people in New York State more than anything.

01:29:36.000 Because their relatives are close by.

01:29:38.000 Yes.

01:29:38.000 So now if they're not – So I see it's collapsing.

01:29:40.000 Let's take education out of the equation.

01:29:42.000 So if we've got education cured, how do you make it more – It'd be amazing.

01:29:46.000 It'd be amazing.

01:29:48.000 How do you make it more attractive for people to stay in New York that don't have children?

01:29:53.000 How do you make it more attractive to businesses?

01:29:56.000 Absolutely.

01:29:57.000 Several things.

01:29:58.000 Number one, as I said before, we have to raise money through ways other than taxation, right?

01:30:02.000 We can still raise money.

01:30:03.000 We can find ways to fill gaps.

01:30:05.000 And if we have to fill a gap, say the $4 billion from the federal government, if we have to fill the gap, if we find that the first six months of discussion There's no way we can do this without the $4 billion from the federal government.

01:30:15.000 Let's say I'm wrong.

01:30:16.000 Let's say I'm wrong.

01:30:18.000 And the $4 billion I want to get rid of from the federal government is, no, we have to have it.

01:30:22.000 The plans we've come up with that we think will work require that money.

01:30:25.000 Okay, deal.

01:30:26.000 I got it.

01:30:27.000 We can still raise it some other way.

01:30:28.000 Now, in the past, we've done things very poorly in New York State.

01:30:30.000 We've done things like, let's have a lottery, and the lottery will pay for education.

01:30:34.000 Then it goes off to the general fund and goes away.

01:30:36.000 What we can do is say something like this.

01:30:37.000 I talk often about using our infrastructure in New York State as a way of raising money.

01:30:42.000 We have bridges and tunnels and throughways and the Erie Canal, which is over 500 miles and about three dozen locks and lots of stuff like that, right?

01:30:50.000 Why in the world do we have a bridge right now in New York State that's named after one of our previous governors called the Mario Cuomo Bridge?

01:30:57.000 That's embarrassing.

01:30:58.000 We literally have an imperial bridge named after our royal family.

01:31:02.000 That bridge should not be named that.

01:31:03.000 The bridge should be the Staples bridge, the Verizon bridge, the 3M bridge, the Kellogg's bridge, the Apple bridge, whatever.

01:31:11.000 We should be leasing the naming rights out.

01:31:13.000 I'm a business guy.

01:31:14.000 I want to retain the asset.

01:31:15.000 We don't lose the asset.

01:31:16.000 Leasing naming rights out, right?

01:31:17.000 These are companies that pay billions of dollars every year in marketing, all the time.

01:31:21.000 They drop $20 million for a stadium that gets used on the weekends.

01:31:27.000 Instead, we have them pay $100 million for a bridge that's crossed by hundreds of thousands of cars every single day.

01:31:32.000 So you call it the Verizon Bridge or something?

01:31:34.000 The Verizon Bridge.

01:31:34.000 Love it.

01:31:35.000 Perfect.

01:31:36.000 And it's mentioned hundreds of times every single day during rush hour in a 16 million person metro area.

01:31:42.000 But here are the next pieces on top of that.

01:31:44.000 Once he gets the money, they're also responsible for the maintenance.

01:31:46.000 We will still inspect the bridge, right?

01:31:48.000 People say, but Larry- That is correct.

01:31:51.000 That's part of it.

01:31:52.000 Yes.

01:31:52.000 So they have to pay you and they have to fix the bridge?

01:31:55.000 Bingo.

01:31:55.000 Yes.

01:31:56.000 Who the fuck is going to sign up for that?

01:31:57.000 All I know is I already have bankers already asking me about how long is the lease?

01:32:01.000 What are we going to do?

01:32:01.000 They already love it.

01:32:02.000 Yes.

01:32:02.000 Really?

01:32:03.000 People already told me about it.

01:32:04.000 And they know that you want them to fix it too?

01:32:05.000 That's correct.

01:32:05.000 Yes.

01:32:06.000 Absolutely.

01:32:06.000 Holy shit.

01:32:07.000 But that'd be part of the contract.

01:32:08.000 Again, I don't have to, and this is a common theme that you'll find that people don't like, and you don't seem to like it either, which is I don't have the answer for exactly what the contract is.

01:32:17.000 I'm not saying I don't like it.

01:32:19.000 I'm just saying, man, if I was Verizon, I'd be like, shit.

01:32:21.000 Yeah.

01:32:22.000 I'm paying you guys just to put my name on it.

01:32:24.000 Now I got to fix this thing?

01:32:25.000 Yes.

01:32:25.000 Then maybe, you know what?

01:32:26.000 If you don't want to, maybe we negotiate and you pay a little bit less.

01:32:28.000 Pay 90 million instead and fix the bridge.

01:32:30.000 But I want you fixing the bridge.

01:32:31.000 Okay.

01:32:32.000 And there's a reason I want you fixing the bridge.

01:32:33.000 Right now across our country, bridges collapse.

01:32:36.000 Concrete cancer.

01:32:38.000 They cut all the time, right?

01:32:39.000 And why?

01:32:40.000 Because the government has to run it, and the government runs out of money, or bureaucracy fails.

01:32:44.000 But in this case, we would actually have someone who has to fix it.

01:32:48.000 So we could actually check the bridge, and say it's at a B, and a D is the lowest it can get to, as an example, right?

01:32:54.000 It's at a B. Verizon refuses to fix it, goes to C. Verizon fixed it now, or you lose the contract.

01:32:59.000 And I guess now it's going to be the Sprint Bridge.

01:33:01.000 Right.

01:33:01.000 They have to fix it.

01:33:02.000 The bridges will actually get fixed.

01:33:03.000 That makes sense too.

01:33:04.000 I might even know about that.

01:33:05.000 I like this idea.

01:33:05.000 So yeah, that's one, right?

01:33:07.000 So immediately at that point, we're getting money.

01:33:09.000 The bridge is actually getting fixed.

01:33:11.000 And here's the best part, the need for tolls.

01:33:14.000 If you've been through New York State, you know we are the toll monsters.

01:33:17.000 I mean we are horrible.

01:33:19.000 It's brutal.

01:33:20.000 Yes.

01:33:20.000 Didn't they establish those tolls under the false premise of once the bridge was paid off?

01:33:24.000 You got it.

01:33:25.000 Yeah.

01:33:25.000 That's correct.

01:33:26.000 Once they got addicted to that money, they said, well, we're never paying this bitch off.

01:33:29.000 That is correct.

01:33:30.000 Yes.

01:33:31.000 So instead, now no tolls.

01:33:33.000 That is so creepy.

01:33:33.000 Which means now those truckers that are paying $100 every time they cross that bridge, they pay by the axle, those go away.

01:33:39.000 Is it $100 every time they cross the bridge?

01:33:41.000 For a big truck, a trailer?

01:33:43.000 Yeah.

01:33:43.000 Because they pay per axle.

01:33:45.000 That is dirty.

01:33:45.000 Yes, it's horrible.

01:33:46.000 That is so dirty.

01:33:47.000 They're paying tons of money every time they cross that bridge.

01:33:50.000 That goes away.

01:33:51.000 And just if you could do that, you would win the governor.

01:33:54.000 I would hope so.

01:33:54.000 If you could figure out how to do that, you would become governor.

01:33:58.000 The idea's not crazy.

01:33:59.000 Has anybody ever brought this up besides you?

01:34:02.000 Never.

01:34:02.000 We already have Adopt the Highway.

01:34:04.000 Just fuck your education system.

01:34:05.000 This shit would work.

01:34:06.000 See that?

01:34:07.000 I got you on that one, Elise.

01:34:08.000 This one would work, man.

01:34:09.000 We'll work on this one instead.

01:34:11.000 But here's a better part.

01:34:11.000 I'm not even done yet.

01:34:12.000 Not only are they paying for maintenance, which means we have lower spending because we're not paying for maintenance.

01:34:17.000 And here's the even better part.

01:34:19.000 The less money I have to give out for these contracts, less corruption.

01:34:23.000 Because I'm not giving out the contracts anymore.

01:34:25.000 Verizon's giving out contracts.

01:34:26.000 How much money do they get, though, in the tolls every year?

01:34:29.000 I would imagine it'd be bigger than $100 million.

01:34:32.000 No, it isn't.

01:34:33.000 It's not?

01:34:33.000 No.

01:34:34.000 Yes, it is.

01:34:35.000 I'm sorry, yes.

01:34:35.000 The tolls, I'm sorry, I'm thinking about billions.

01:34:37.000 Yes, because the New York State budget, I always think of billions.

01:34:40.000 I apologize.

01:34:40.000 Yes, it's not $100 billion.

01:34:41.000 But yes, several billion.

01:34:42.000 I think just New York City, if I'm not mistaken, is over $2 billion.

01:34:45.000 Two billion a year in tolls.

01:34:47.000 That is so dirty.

01:34:49.000 That may include MTA. That's all stealing from people.

01:34:51.000 You can't drive unless you give us money.

01:34:53.000 You want to cross this line, pay a tax, pay a tariff.

01:34:57.000 Yes.

01:34:57.000 Oof, that's so gross.

01:34:59.000 So it's tons of money.

01:35:00.000 We're so lucky here in California.

01:35:01.000 So we could raise that money.

01:35:03.000 See, I'll make your education happy.

01:35:05.000 I'll take four billion off of that.

01:35:07.000 I'll put it back in the teachers and the money's the same.

01:35:09.000 But if you're taking the money away...

01:35:12.000 I did not love you.

01:35:14.000 I was just finding holes in your game.

01:35:16.000 Now, when you're talking about...

01:35:18.000 No holes.

01:35:18.000 Don't be silly.

01:35:19.000 No holes.

01:35:20.000 Don't be silly.

01:35:21.000 There's some holes there.

01:35:21.000 None.

01:35:22.000 Come on.

01:35:23.000 None.

01:35:23.000 So, when you take away all that money that people are paying on the tolls, $2 billion a year, how do you replace that?

01:35:32.000 If they're paying $2 billion a year in tolls.

01:35:34.000 If we're getting $100 million just from one bridge.

01:35:37.000 That's just one bridge.

01:35:38.000 Okay, how many bridges you got?

01:35:39.000 There's over a dozen just in New York City, just in the MTA. And I didn't even count the Erie Canal that has 36 locks.

01:35:47.000 We can name each lock, repair the entire Erie Canal, make it commercially viable without paying any taxpayer dollars whatsoever.

01:35:55.000 And we have McDonald's could own one.

01:35:56.000 They put McDonald's on every single lock.

01:35:57.000 And the lock, these are for commercial boats?

01:36:00.000 Yeah, we can make whatever we want.

01:36:02.000 Right now, the area canal is run by the Parks and Recs, which it costs us about $100 million every year, including capital projects, to maintain the area canal.

01:36:11.000 We make less than $5 million.

01:36:13.000 Have you crunched all the numbers on putting different advertising sponsors in all these different places?

01:36:18.000 You can't.

01:36:19.000 In theory, you will absolutely raise billions.

01:36:24.000 That I'm sure.

01:36:25.000 In theory.

01:36:25.000 You will raise billions.

01:36:27.000 The problem is you don't know which one goes first, which one is more valuable.

01:36:31.000 You don't know how long negotiations will take.

01:36:33.000 You also don't know will they take the thruways also, what bridges they'll take.

01:36:37.000 Some bridges may not be viable to be taken.

01:36:40.000 So I don't know each one.

01:36:41.000 Some tunnels they may not want to take and then how fast we'll catch on.

01:36:45.000 Right, so you could do this with tunnels.

01:36:48.000 You could do this with roadways.

01:36:50.000 I mean, nobody gives a shit what the parkway is called, the Verrazano Parkway.

01:36:54.000 It's not making anybody any money by calling it the Verrazano Parkway, right?

01:36:57.000 There's another idea.

01:36:59.000 There's an I-81 in upstate New York, which is falling apart.

01:37:02.000 So my idea for that is, they're saying, how are we going to fund this interstate?

01:37:06.000 U-Porn.

01:37:07.000 U-Porn Highway.

01:37:08.000 What if they're willing to give you the most money?

01:37:10.000 What I'd rather do with a highway is have instead make it a Google road.

01:37:18.000 A Google road?

01:37:19.000 Jesus.

01:37:20.000 You're going to give those fucking people a grip on your state?

01:37:22.000 Oh, yeah.

01:37:23.000 Well, look, if they want to give me a road, here is how it works.

01:37:28.000 They get their own road.

01:37:29.000 They get their own road.

01:37:30.000 And they can make it a driverless car road, whatever they want.

01:37:33.000 The rent for that is maintenance of the regular road.

01:37:38.000 Okay.

01:37:38.000 That's the rent.

01:37:39.000 That's it.

01:37:40.000 You maintain the regular road for free.

01:37:43.000 I like it.

01:37:44.000 Right?

01:37:44.000 You get to keep the next to it Google road.

01:37:47.000 Now, people don't have an option.

01:37:48.000 You want to drive into driverless cars they come up with or driverless buses or whatever they come up with.

01:37:52.000 I don't care what they come up with.

01:37:53.000 You take it if you want to.

01:37:55.000 If you don't, drive the regular road.

01:37:57.000 If Google says, I don't want to pay for it anymore, they lose the Google road.

01:38:00.000 Someone else buys it.

01:38:00.000 Now it becomes an Amazon road or a, I don't care, whatever road.

01:38:03.000 It becomes an Apple road.

01:38:04.000 Whatever it is.

01:38:05.000 Whoever's willing.

01:38:06.000 See, that makes sense to me and I like that because nobody really gives a shit what a road is called.

01:38:11.000 That's correct.

01:38:11.000 Which is why you don't name the road.

01:38:14.000 You give them a road next to it.

01:38:15.000 Right.

01:38:16.000 Right?

01:38:17.000 They can use the road they want to just to transfer their goods for Amazon.

01:38:21.000 It could be an Amazon hub that just moves Amazon products.

01:38:24.000 Fine.

01:38:25.000 I don't care as long as you maintain the regular road.

01:38:28.000 Do what you want with the other road.

01:38:30.000 What other road is this again?

01:38:31.000 It could be an Amazon road.

01:38:33.000 The only thing is it's a hub to move Amazon products back and forth.

01:38:35.000 It's fine.

01:38:36.000 Again, I don't have to know what this is.

01:38:38.000 It's not required.

01:38:40.000 They will figure it out on what works for them.

01:38:42.000 That's an innovative way to generate income.

01:38:44.000 Absolutely.

01:38:45.000 The bridges, the roads.

01:38:46.000 Not even done.

01:38:47.000 The MTA and the subway, right?

01:38:48.000 The subway plan right now, the answer is the same thing.

01:38:51.000 Just give them more money.

01:38:52.000 No, I'm not going to be a hostage to the MTA either.

01:38:55.000 The T-Mobile subway.

01:38:56.000 No, not that.

01:38:57.000 Instead, because I don't think anybody would care about that anyway.

01:39:01.000 The issue is, this is all the rail lines.

01:39:03.000 There are rail lines.

01:39:05.000 The MTA crosses about 11, I think, or maybe even 12 different counties.

01:39:08.000 I think it's 11 different counties.

01:39:09.000 So it's all over.

01:39:11.000 And a lot of these lines at night aren't used.

01:39:13.000 So why aren't they freight lines?

01:39:16.000 Let Amazon move its product from upstate New York into Manhattan on a freight line that's not being used at night.

01:39:21.000 What's the fee for that?

01:39:23.000 Fix the lines.

01:39:25.000 Fix the lines.

01:39:26.000 Fix them and maintain them.

01:39:27.000 Is that a viable alternative?

01:39:28.000 Yes, absolutely.

01:39:29.000 If you run this by people, would that make sense for them?

01:39:31.000 Of course.

01:39:31.000 People already like the idea.

01:39:32.000 Of course, yes.

01:39:33.000 I live in New York City, right?

01:39:36.000 I live in Queens.

01:39:38.000 I work in Manhattan.

01:39:38.000 I know lots of bankers and I ask them these questions and they all say, yeah, nice idea.

01:39:43.000 Sometimes they say no to some stuff I say, but these they say, they actually asked how long the lease would be on the bridge.

01:39:48.000 They went that far.

01:39:50.000 That's how much they like the Bridgette.

01:39:51.000 You like the Bridgette too, obviously.

01:39:52.000 It's a good idea.

01:39:53.000 It's a good idea.

01:39:53.000 They like it very much.

01:39:54.000 Is this all your idea?

01:39:56.000 Of course.

01:39:57.000 She's going to lock that shit down.

01:39:58.000 Why?

01:39:58.000 She's going to steal it.

01:39:59.000 Cynthia Nixon.

01:40:00.000 Let them.

01:40:01.000 Joe, you just came up with the reason why this is so important.

01:40:05.000 Because win, lose, or draw, everything I'm talking about stays and will fix my state.

01:40:10.000 People say all the time, what happens if everyone takes all your ideas?

01:40:12.000 Good, I'll go home and go back to work.

01:40:14.000 I can stop doing this.

01:40:15.000 I hope they steal all my stuff.

01:40:17.000 The only reason why you're doing this is just because you want to affect change in New York?

01:40:21.000 I don't.

01:40:21.000 There are three reasons why.

01:40:23.000 Number one, I don't want to leave New York.

01:40:25.000 Do you ever go to North Carolina?

01:40:27.000 I have.

01:40:28.000 Beautiful.

01:40:28.000 I know.

01:40:29.000 You want to try that barbecue?

01:40:30.000 I get it, and I don't want to go.

01:40:33.000 So yes, stop teasing me.

01:40:34.000 So yes, I don't want to go.

01:40:36.000 Ever.

01:40:37.000 The number one reason is I want to stay in New York.

01:40:39.000 Okay.

01:40:39.000 Number one.

01:40:40.000 But also, I want to change the state for better, but even more, I can change the nation for better.

01:40:47.000 New York can be the place where people look and go, wow, you know what?

01:40:51.000 We can start doing these things.

01:40:53.000 I'm not even done.

01:40:54.000 Okay.

01:40:55.000 Talking about small business, right?

01:40:56.000 Wyoming has a law right now that says if you're a small farmer and you agree to not sell outside of Wyoming, that you're immune from federal regulatory bodies.

01:41:05.000 Helps the small farmers to get a leg up.

01:41:08.000 I'll do the same thing in New York.

01:41:09.000 But why can't I do it just for every business?

01:41:10.000 Every small business.

01:41:11.000 If you agree you will only sell locally, why are you being bothered by the federal government?

01:41:15.000 How does the commerce clause come into effect here?

01:41:18.000 It doesn't.

01:41:18.000 So how about we make that happen?

01:41:20.000 So that applies to all restaurants, of course.

01:41:22.000 Absolutely.

01:41:22.000 Because they're local.

01:41:23.000 But unless some border restaurants actually deliver across the border.

01:41:26.000 Okay.

01:41:26.000 So if you deliver across the border, no.

01:41:28.000 That won't work if you deliver.

01:41:29.000 That's correct.

01:41:30.000 If you deliver across the border, it doesn't work.

01:41:31.000 If you don't deliver...

01:41:32.000 Or don't cross the border, you're fine.

01:41:33.000 What about if you use one of those third-party delivery services, you know, where they use an app and they order something?

01:41:38.000 The app would be, the people who are actually doing delivery would be responsible, you would not.

01:41:42.000 Okay.

01:41:42.000 As long as that company is based in New York State.

01:41:45.000 So this keeps all the money in New York State.

01:41:47.000 No, it doesn't keep all the money in New York State.

01:41:48.000 A good amount of it.

01:41:49.000 It gives the small business owner a shot at competing against larger businesses, which almost always cross borders.

01:41:56.000 And it gives farmers a much greater incentive.

01:41:59.000 Yes, to be more farm-to-table, all that stuff.

01:42:02.000 Now, I've got to help my farmers out.

01:42:03.000 My New York State farmers are hurting badly.

01:42:05.000 That's one idea.

01:42:06.000 But the second thing is you want to treat farmers like small businesses, and they're not.

01:42:10.000 Which means they don't get the SBA loans.

01:42:12.000 They don't get help.

01:42:13.000 They don't get treated that way.

01:42:14.000 It does not work when you treat them like small businesses.

01:42:17.000 But next, I want to completely legalize hemp and cannabis.

01:42:21.000 Now you're talking.

01:42:22.000 And I want to regulate them like onions.

01:42:24.000 Onions?

01:42:25.000 Like onions.

01:42:25.000 I'm not joking.

01:42:26.000 Like onions.

01:42:27.000 Why onions?

01:42:28.000 Here's the reason why.

01:42:28.000 A lot of onions come out of New York.

01:42:30.000 That's why.

01:42:30.000 Yes.

01:42:31.000 And you can grow your own onions and no one gets it.

01:42:33.000 Who cares?

01:42:33.000 Bingo.

01:42:34.000 Exactly correct.

01:42:34.000 And here's the issue.

01:42:35.000 There are three reasons why I want to utilize hemp and cannabis.

01:42:38.000 And most people think, you want to get high.

01:42:40.000 No.

01:42:40.000 The only drug I use is cannabis.

01:42:42.000 I mean, it's cannabis.

01:42:43.000 Is caffeine.

01:42:43.000 Oh, busted.

01:42:44.000 Look at you, Freud.

01:42:45.000 I like that.

01:42:46.000 That's about cannabis.

01:42:47.000 No, but if I use cannabis, I would happily tell you.

01:42:50.000 Right.

01:42:50.000 So I don't have anything to hide.

01:42:51.000 Okay.

01:42:52.000 I would happily tell you.

01:42:53.000 You ever use it?

01:42:54.000 Not my thing.

01:42:55.000 Do you get paranoid and worry about the school system when you get high?

01:42:57.000 I think I talk even more.

01:42:59.000 I don't want to talk even more, do I? You might not, man.

01:43:02.000 You might be introspective.

01:43:03.000 You might sit back and go, God, I talk too much.

01:43:05.000 Yeah, maybe.

01:43:06.000 Have you ever done mushrooms?

01:43:07.000 That's what happens.

01:43:08.000 I've never done mushrooms.

01:43:09.000 Yeah, when I do mushrooms, I feel like I talk too much.

01:43:11.000 So maybe.

01:43:12.000 Maybe I should try them one day.

01:43:13.000 You've never done mushrooms?

01:43:14.000 Never done mushrooms.

01:43:14.000 That makes me uncomfortable.

01:43:15.000 Yes.

01:43:16.000 Yeah, I'm very square.

01:43:18.000 But you're my age, right?

01:43:18.000 How old are you?

01:43:19.000 I'm 50. Yeah, I'm 51. There we go.

01:43:21.000 You've never done mushrooms?

01:43:22.000 Never.

01:43:22.000 So somebody came up to you and go, Larry, you want to do some mushrooms?

01:43:24.000 And you're like, no, man.

01:43:25.000 One day I want to be governor.

01:43:26.000 That's what I was thinking.

01:43:27.000 I was seven, and I thought, gotta be governor one day.

01:43:30.000 Jesus, who's bringing mushrooms to a fucking seven-year-old?

01:43:32.000 No, that's what I was thinking.

01:43:33.000 What kind of psycho are you hanging around with?

01:43:34.000 You don't understand where I grew up.

01:43:36.000 I get it.

01:43:37.000 Where I grew up.

01:43:38.000 No, I grew up in South Bronx.

01:43:39.000 Oh, even more crazy.

01:43:40.000 It was crazy.

01:43:41.000 Do you know Tim Dog?

01:43:43.000 I don't know who Tim Dog is.

01:43:44.000 Sorry.

01:43:44.000 I haven't been in the Bronx in many years.

01:43:46.000 South Bronx.

01:43:47.000 Sorry.

01:43:47.000 I haven't been in the Bronx in many years.

01:43:49.000 Apologize.

01:43:50.000 But anyway.

01:43:50.000 It's a very obscure reference.

01:43:52.000 Mushrooms and marijuana.

01:43:54.000 Yes, thank you.

01:43:55.000 And you've never smoked pot?

01:43:57.000 I have not.

01:43:58.000 No.

01:43:58.000 Never?

01:43:59.000 Never have.

01:43:59.000 What the fuck?

01:44:01.000 I can't get behind you, bro.

01:44:02.000 Sorry.

01:44:02.000 Never have.

01:44:03.000 What kind of square are you, dude?

01:44:04.000 I'm square.

01:44:05.000 No pot, no mushrooms.

01:44:07.000 I don't even drink alcohol.

01:44:08.000 You haven't done acid?

01:44:08.000 Nope.

01:44:08.000 Do you want to try it?

01:44:09.000 Maybe one day.

01:44:10.000 What about right now?

01:44:11.000 No.

01:44:12.000 Not now?

01:44:12.000 No, no, no, no.

01:44:13.000 I'm running a campaign, my friend.

01:44:14.000 Oh.

01:44:15.000 Maybe it'll help you.

01:44:16.000 Maybe it'll help you.

01:44:17.000 Odds are no.

01:44:18.000 Talk to me November 7th.

01:44:19.000 Okay.

01:44:20.000 November 7th.

01:44:21.000 Okay, November 7th.

01:44:21.000 To be forward, I'm not against any of these things.

01:44:23.000 It's your body, you own your body.

01:44:24.000 Okay.

01:44:24.000 So if I smoke cannabis- No, I don't drink either.

01:44:27.000 You don't ever drink?

01:44:28.000 Not even a beer?

01:44:29.000 Once in a while?

01:44:29.000 A glass of wine with dinner?

01:44:31.000 If people are around drinking, I'll drink.

01:44:33.000 Right.

01:44:33.000 But I don't have any alcohol in my house.

01:44:36.000 I don't drink unless others are drinking.

01:44:37.000 Okay.

01:44:38.000 I'll socially drink.

01:44:39.000 Again, I don't have any problem with it.

01:44:41.000 So your focus for most of your life has been what?

01:44:44.000 Business?

01:44:46.000 First it was military.

01:44:47.000 I was a Marine for seven years.

01:44:48.000 And then?

01:44:48.000 And then it was business.

01:44:50.000 Yes.

01:44:51.000 So you're just a keep your nose to the grindstone kind of guy.

01:44:54.000 Yes.

01:44:55.000 Get things done.

01:44:55.000 How else could I do this?

01:44:56.000 Have you seen my campaign?

01:44:59.000 The last three gubernatorial campaigns in New York State combined didn't raise $10,000.

01:45:06.000 Combined.

01:45:06.000 I raised over a quarter million already.

01:45:09.000 The last three gubernatorial candidates combined didn't do anywhere near the amount of stops I've made, and I still have two months left.

01:45:14.000 How much does Cynthia Nixon raise?

01:45:15.000 1.7, I think, million?

01:45:18.000 That is crazy.

01:45:19.000 I think 1.7.

01:45:19.000 How many people are getting behind sex in the city?

01:45:21.000 A lot.

01:45:22.000 There's a lot of that menopause money out there, bro.

01:45:24.000 I need some of that, I guess.

01:45:25.000 I don't know.

01:45:26.000 It's floating around.

01:45:27.000 My point being, yes, nose to the grindstone.

01:45:30.000 I'm doing this, of course.

01:45:31.000 Okay, I believe you.

01:45:32.000 Absolutely.

01:45:32.000 No mushrooms, though, huh?

01:45:33.000 No mushrooms.

01:45:34.000 Nothing.

01:45:35.000 Maybe later.

01:45:35.000 Not now.

01:45:36.000 Wait till November 7th.

01:45:38.000 And then once you hit?

01:45:39.000 Then maybe.

01:45:40.000 We'll see.

01:45:40.000 Then maybe you party with me?

01:45:41.000 Maybe.

01:45:42.000 If I win, I can't do it while I'm governor.

01:45:44.000 That would be not cool.

01:45:47.000 But marijuana, isn't it legal in New York State?

01:45:49.000 No, still not.

01:45:50.000 You have to have serious diseases, right?

01:45:52.000 That's correct.

01:45:53.000 Can you fix that?

01:45:54.000 Of course.

01:45:55.000 That's the point.

01:45:56.000 Yeah, that seems really preposterous.

01:45:58.000 Look, my whole point on cannabis and hemp is heavily because of farmers also, right?

01:46:02.000 Right.

01:46:02.000 The small farmers right now— Particularly hemp.

01:46:04.000 Yes, particularly hemp, yes.

01:46:05.000 Because it's totally uncontroversial and it's a fantastic commodity.

01:46:08.000 It's good for the soil.

01:46:10.000 It's good for the environment.

01:46:12.000 And the best thing is if you treat small farmers like small businesses, they can now specialize.

01:46:16.000 Meaning they can specialize in hemp and then also create products on their farm.

01:46:21.000 They want specialized hemp products.

01:46:22.000 They can do that and create niche industries.

01:46:25.000 And we see that in New York State with both coffee and breweries.

01:46:29.000 We see everybody happening in New York State.

01:46:30.000 And you would have the same sort of incentives for them to sell in New York.

01:46:35.000 Absolutely.

01:46:36.000 Yes.

01:46:36.000 Particularly hemp, which would be incredibly beneficial with zero controversy.

01:46:40.000 That's correct.

01:46:40.000 Yes.

01:46:41.000 In terms of like psychoactive effects, it doesn't have- People would be very happy to do that, right?

01:46:45.000 But cannabis too, because I want you to be able to create cannabis products.

01:46:49.000 But there's something else, and that is there are a lot of people in this country, but I'll talk about New York State specifically, who have chronic pain.

01:46:55.000 And right now they have three choices.

01:46:56.000 One, an opioid, maybe get addicted.

01:46:58.000 Two, suffer, which I don't accept.

01:47:00.000 Or three, what people tell me, and for some reason, again, it's only been women who've told me this.

01:47:04.000 They walk up to me and say, you know, Larry, I hope you can legalize marijuana because I smoke a little at night so I can go to sleep.

01:47:10.000 What about CBD? CBD is legal in your state?

01:47:12.000 No, I don't think so.

01:47:13.000 It's not.

01:47:14.000 I don't think it is.

01:47:15.000 Fucking A. You know, it's a good question.

01:47:17.000 I don't think it is.

01:47:17.000 That's crazy.

01:47:18.000 It's probably medicinal.

01:47:19.000 I'm sorry.

01:47:19.000 It's probably medicinal.

01:47:20.000 CBD? Probably.

01:47:22.000 That'd be my assumption.

01:47:23.000 But CBD has no psychoactive effects, no side effects.

01:47:26.000 No, I know.

01:47:26.000 But it comes with cannabis.

01:47:28.000 Right.

01:47:28.000 So I think it is- Well, Jamie's going to look it up real quick.

01:47:31.000 I think it's medical in New York State.

01:47:33.000 So you have to have some sort of a doctor's prescription to get CBD. Yes.

01:47:37.000 So my point is if it's onions, you can grow it in your backyard.

01:47:39.000 Right.

01:47:39.000 Grain medicine in your backyard.

01:47:40.000 Right.

01:47:41.000 Carrots, tomatoes.

01:47:42.000 Yes.

01:47:46.000 Big business wins.

01:47:47.000 Small business loses.

01:47:49.000 Guaranteed.

01:47:49.000 It'll become big business cronyism.

01:47:51.000 The small farmers collapse.

01:47:53.000 It's the wrong answer.

01:47:54.000 So we need to make that happen.

01:47:55.000 And people are already smoking it.

01:47:57.000 Maybe you don't want to smoke it.

01:47:58.000 Why don't you have an edible?

01:48:00.000 Why don't you have liquid?

01:48:01.000 Why don't you have whatever's your thing?

01:48:03.000 You don't have to smoke it.

01:48:04.000 If you want to smoke it, please smoke it.

01:48:05.000 But there's many ways of taking advantage of both THC and CBD, which you prefer.

01:48:11.000 And look, it's your body, not mine.

01:48:13.000 And why in the world would I want you to have to live with chronic pain if you don't have to?

01:48:17.000 I said it again, I'm not about being righteous.

01:48:19.000 Because CBD, again, is not psychoactive.

01:48:21.000 Is it legal?

01:48:22.000 Yeah, okay, it is legal in New York.

01:48:25.000 It's pretty legal everywhere, CBD, because of the fact that it doesn't have any psychoactive effects.

01:48:30.000 And it's fantastic for people with arthritis.

01:48:33.000 And so a lot of older folks are, I mean, shit, I got Ted Nugent taking it.

01:48:37.000 How about that?

01:48:38.000 He's never even touched anything marijuana related.

01:48:42.000 Does he?

01:48:42.000 Yeah, he likes my Facebook stuff.

01:48:43.000 Well, one of the things that Ted likes is that you're a Second Amendment proponent.

01:48:48.000 I am.

01:48:49.000 Very true.

01:48:49.000 Yes.

01:48:50.000 You know, there's an issue that I have with people demonizing the National Rifle Association.

01:48:55.000 And one big issue is they always point to these school shootings.

01:48:58.000 And I'm like, God damn it, not a single NRA member has ever committed one of these mass shootings.

01:49:03.000 This is not NRA members.

01:49:04.000 So you guys are going after people that are fighting for the right for people to have arms when there's people that are taking these arms and they're using them completely illegally and none of them are in the NRA. It doesn't make any sense.

01:49:18.000 Yep.

01:49:18.000 Well, you find a boogeyman.

01:49:20.000 Right, but that boogeyman is culturally accepted.

01:49:22.000 Yes.

01:49:22.000 And it's really confusing.

01:49:24.000 And then it's not helped by the fact that a lot of people that are NRA proponents get, you know, they dig their heels in the sand.

01:49:31.000 Yes.

01:49:31.000 And they fight hard, and very much emotionally so, against people who are against the NRA, and then it becomes this...

01:49:40.000 Tribal thing.

01:49:41.000 It does.

01:49:42.000 And the tribal issue is the biggest issue.

01:49:43.000 I totally agree.

01:49:44.000 It's a point where you're not even listening to each other.

01:49:47.000 This is why I say the third party is the way.

01:49:50.000 Look, people ask, Larry, can you win this thing?

01:49:53.000 And I hear it all the time.

01:49:57.000 Critique I get is, you can't win, man.

01:49:59.000 What are you doing you can't win?

01:50:00.000 Who's saying that to you?

01:50:01.000 Particularly right now, Republicans, but some Democrats too.

01:50:03.000 They're heavily saying, you can't win.

01:50:04.000 You can't win.

01:50:05.000 But two answers.

01:50:06.000 They're hopeful you can't win.

01:50:08.000 Yeah, a lot of them are.

01:50:09.000 Some aren't.

01:50:09.000 But there's two things to remember, though.

01:50:10.000 The first thing is, I can win.

01:50:13.000 And here's the reason why.

01:50:15.000 The Republican cannot win because there's only about two and a half million Republicans in New York State and about six and a half million Democrats in New York State, give or take.

01:50:23.000 The tribalism we have now, if you're a Democrat, you're not going to vote for a Republican.

01:50:27.000 If you're a Republican, you're not going to vote for a Democrat.

01:50:29.000 But you might vote for a Libertarian.

01:50:31.000 You might vote for somebody who's not the other evil guy.

01:50:34.000 So I have the option of getting the other things.

01:50:37.000 I can get the other guys.

01:50:39.000 And I can get the 70% of New Yorkers who don't vote.

01:50:41.000 I can get those.

01:50:42.000 So there's a chance to win.

01:50:44.000 And on top of that, a five-way race only needing 30% to win.

01:50:48.000 This is a winnable race.

01:50:49.000 This can be done.

01:50:50.000 But let's say I'm wrong.

01:50:52.000 I've been wrong.

01:50:53.000 Maybe all my ideas are wrong.

01:50:54.000 Maybe every hole you found is a real hole and it can't be done.

01:50:59.000 And maybe they all destroy me and they beat me up and I can't win.

01:51:02.000 Get rid of those polls and you win, bro.

01:51:05.000 Get those fucking polls out.

01:51:07.000 Get those tolls.

01:51:08.000 Not polls, rather.

01:51:09.000 Tolls.

01:51:09.000 Get those tolls gone and you can win the whole thing.

01:51:12.000 But say I'm wrong and I can't win.

01:51:13.000 Great.

01:51:14.000 If I just come in second, I beat the Republican only.

01:51:17.000 Imagine what it does for the state.

01:51:19.000 The first thing it does is it shows them that a third party can actually have impact in New York State, which means the entire nation off the bat.

01:51:25.000 People at third parties will start thinking, wait a minute, we can do something.

01:51:28.000 In a big state.

01:51:29.000 Yes.

01:51:29.000 And something else.

01:51:30.000 It will make better Republicans and better Democrats because right now neither of them does anything for anybody.

01:51:35.000 They don't care if nothing gets done.

01:51:36.000 But when there's a third party, I become the referee.

01:51:39.000 I'm the one who says, Democrats, you're supposed to be about civil liberties.

01:51:42.000 You're not.

01:51:43.000 What's wrong?

01:51:44.000 Republicans are supposed to be about less government and Second Amendment and small business.

01:51:47.000 You're not.

01:51:48.000 What's wrong?

01:51:48.000 And now the media hears me.

01:51:50.000 Now people hear me.

01:51:51.000 They have to become better because if they're not, they'll come to me instead and they'll see it.

01:51:55.000 And out of fear, they'll begin to change.

01:51:57.000 Now, what do you think about this move toward democratic socialism?

01:52:01.000 And you're seeing this a lot in young kids in particular.

01:52:04.000 They seem to be abandoning this old system and trying to adopt a much more radical left-wing system.

01:52:12.000 Yes.

01:52:12.000 And apparently there's some real problems with that lady who won.

01:52:16.000 She's literally my congresswoman.

01:52:18.000 She won my congresswoman.

01:52:19.000 Yes.

01:52:19.000 AOC. Alexandria Ocasio.

01:52:22.000 Alexandria Cortez.

01:52:25.000 Was that true?

01:52:26.000 Are they smearing her or is it true that she used to be a Republican anti-abortion person?

01:52:31.000 I have no idea.

01:52:34.000 And that she's really from Florida.

01:52:36.000 I don't know.

01:52:37.000 I don't know.

01:52:38.000 People are so terrified of her and attacking her and she's made some missteps too on her own.

01:52:46.000 What we have to realize is socialism for most Americans today, particularly young ones, is just the newest ideology of rebellion.

01:52:54.000 Right.

01:52:54.000 That's all it is.

01:52:55.000 Most of them don't know.

01:52:56.000 Most of the people, the youngsters particularly, who actually supported Bernie, Couldn't tell you any of his policies.

01:53:02.000 They just knew he wasn't the establishment.

01:53:05.000 The same with Trump, though.

01:53:05.000 There were a lot of people who were Trump who couldn't tell you one policy.

01:53:08.000 But there's things that he says that Bernie says that resonate with people.

01:53:12.000 And one of them is that there's income inequality in this country.

01:53:16.000 Very true.

01:53:17.000 That's a big one.

01:53:18.000 Yes.

01:53:18.000 And so people say, oh, well, the game is rigged and Bernie's going to fix it.

01:53:21.000 Yes.

01:53:22.000 Well, the game is rigged.

01:53:23.000 That's true.

01:53:24.000 And inequality is happening.

01:53:25.000 That's true.

01:53:26.000 But it's rigged because of corruption because of the two-party system.

01:53:29.000 Right.

01:53:29.000 It's rigged because of corny capitalism.

01:53:31.000 Right.

01:53:32.000 That's why it's rigged, but it is rigged.

01:53:33.000 The problem is you have a system where people keep saying it's the free market, right?

01:53:38.000 This happened with Obamacare, by the way.

01:53:40.000 With Obamacare, they said, well, we have markets, right?

01:53:43.000 We have the marketplace where you can go buy insurance.

01:53:45.000 Mm-hmm.

01:53:46.000 And what people then heard was, oh, it's a free market.

01:53:48.000 It's not a free market, but that's what they heard.

01:53:50.000 It was a free market.

01:53:51.000 So then when Obamacare fails in certain states, what do they say?

01:53:54.000 The market didn't work.

01:53:56.000 See?

01:53:56.000 We need single payer.

01:53:57.000 The market didn't work.

01:53:58.000 We need single payer.

01:53:59.000 That's how it spun.

01:54:01.000 And single payer is, oh, single payer is the right answer.

01:54:03.000 It's Medicare for all.

01:54:05.000 Well, that sounds amazing, but it won't be.

01:54:08.000 What it will be is VA for all.

01:54:10.000 And the VA is a disaster.

01:54:12.000 Right?

01:54:13.000 It'll be a two-tiered system, and it's a disaster.

01:54:15.000 And what most people don't realize is socialism actually equals a two-tiered system.

01:54:19.000 The reason why so many people who are wealthy will be fine with Obamacare or socialism is because they're not going to use it.

01:54:26.000 They're not using it.

01:54:27.000 I see it in Manhattan.

01:54:28.000 Where I'm in Manhattan, it's already happening.

01:54:30.000 Because of how New York State works and how bad the system is, you have less and less options for insurers.

01:54:35.000 There's only like one or two insurers now left in New York State.

01:54:37.000 They're leaving.

01:54:37.000 They're walking away.

01:54:38.000 They can't make any money.

01:54:39.000 So what's happening now is all the best doctors – I shouldn't say all.

01:54:42.000 Most of the best doctors don't take insurance anymore.

01:54:45.000 Really?

01:54:46.000 Don't take it.

01:54:47.000 Just don't take it.

01:54:47.000 Really?

01:54:48.000 Yes.

01:54:49.000 So what do you have?

01:54:49.000 The best doctors have enough patients that are wealthy that want the best medical care.

01:54:54.000 They can go, look, you're going to have to pay me.

01:54:56.000 Yes.

01:54:56.000 And it's actually a better...

01:54:58.000 I know, because in my own family, right?

01:54:59.000 That's crazy.

01:55:00.000 I'm a business owner, so I have to pay for my own Obamacare, right?

01:55:03.000 But my wife won't go on Obamacare.

01:55:05.000 So my wife takes private doctors and I take Obamacare doctors.

01:55:09.000 That's how it works in my actual family.

01:55:11.000 So when we go to a doctor's office, you can see a difference, right?

01:55:15.000 If a doctor takes insurance, two doctors in a doctor's office, five people who are administrators, and they care more about photocopying your documents than you – You're in the way.

01:55:30.000 The room's bad.

01:55:32.000 No one cares.

01:55:33.000 Whatever.

01:55:33.000 Your appointment's at 2 o'clock.

01:55:34.000 You get seen at 345. Now change it.

01:55:37.000 Now it's a doctor who does not take insurance.

01:55:39.000 Well, that's five doctors in that office.

01:55:41.000 Two administrators.

01:55:41.000 You show up.

01:55:42.000 They're like, hey, how are you?

01:55:43.000 What's going on?

01:55:44.000 Please have a seat.

01:55:45.000 Whatever.

01:55:45.000 They take your credit card or your check.

01:55:47.000 Whatever.

01:55:47.000 Boom.

01:55:47.000 You're good to go.

01:55:48.000 Your appointment's at 2 o'clock.

01:55:49.000 You get seen at 205. Well, the comparison, a valid comparison is Canada's healthcare system versus America's.

01:55:54.000 I have friends from Canada that come to America to get healthcare.

01:55:58.000 Yes.

01:55:58.000 Because the healthcare system over there, although it's free, it's not as good in many aspects.

01:56:03.000 That's correct.

01:56:03.000 And the waiting lists are massive.

01:56:05.000 And the wealthy come someplace else, a two-tiered system.

01:56:07.000 Exactly correct, right?

01:56:08.000 Right.

01:56:08.000 They literally have a thing now where you go on vacation to get your stuff done, right?

01:56:14.000 Yes.

01:56:15.000 I mean, it's horrible, right?

01:56:16.000 But let me finish the last piece.

01:56:17.000 Okay.

01:56:22.000 He'll talk to you for maybe 5, 10, 15 minutes at most, and it will always end with one of two things, a prescription or a procedure.

01:56:29.000 That's how they get paid.

01:56:30.000 They bill Medicare, right?

01:56:32.000 They bill Medicaid.

01:56:33.000 They bill your insurance company.

01:56:34.000 Prescription or procedure.

01:56:36.000 They're always doing this.

01:56:37.000 They make money.

01:56:38.000 Private, the person talks for 20 minutes, 30 minutes.

01:56:41.000 Ask you things that matter like how are you eating?

01:56:42.000 How are you sleeping?

01:56:43.000 What's your stress level?

01:56:45.000 Things that actually matter when it comes to your health.

01:56:47.000 They ask those questions.

01:56:49.000 What's going on?

01:56:50.000 All those things.

01:56:50.000 They begin to ask these questions to see if it works.

01:56:52.000 Then it doesn't always end with that.

01:56:54.000 It ends with whatever's appropriate because you're writing them a check anyway.

01:56:57.000 Right.

01:56:57.000 They're getting their 300 bucks for one visit, no matter what.

01:56:59.000 You're renting them a check or you're swapping your credit card.

01:57:01.000 And there's an incentive for you to talk about what a good doctor they are.

01:57:04.000 That's correct.

01:57:05.000 So they get more business that pays them the same way you're paying them.

01:57:07.000 That is exactly correct.

01:57:08.000 And they don't have to go through all the bullshit paperwork.

01:57:10.000 Because you are the customer.

01:57:11.000 Right.

01:57:11.000 Right?

01:57:12.000 When it comes to anyone who takes insurance, the insurance company is the customer.

01:57:15.000 Right.

01:57:15.000 Now, people that are listening to this that don't have enough money to pay for that are saying, well, I want that kind of care.

01:57:21.000 Yep.

01:57:21.000 And I want it to be federally funded.

01:57:24.000 Yep.

01:57:24.000 Is that possible?

01:57:26.000 The combination?

01:57:27.000 No.

01:57:28.000 Can you get good care?

01:57:29.000 Yes.

01:57:30.000 And how do I know this?

01:57:31.000 Again, anything I'm saying is based on something, right?

01:57:34.000 And the best example I can give you is non-emergency or non-critical care.

01:57:39.000 Things like LASIK eye surgery, things like cosmetic dentistry, all types of things, right?

01:57:45.000 Getting breast enhancements, things of that sort.

01:57:48.000 Any type of enhancement.

01:57:48.000 Yes, any of those things, right?

01:57:49.000 If you remember years ago, you're as old as I am, so you know.

01:57:52.000 When LASIK first came out, they used to charge you per eye.

01:57:56.000 Because it was so expensive.

01:57:57.000 It was so expensive.

01:57:58.000 It was per eye.

01:58:00.000 Now you get both done for less than a thousand bucks.

01:58:02.000 Right?

01:58:02.000 Sometimes a couple hundred bucks, depending on where you go.

01:58:04.000 So what's happened in every instance, service level's gone up, price has gone down, technology has gone up.

01:58:11.000 In every case, that's happened.

01:58:14.000 So why don't we follow the same model in this?

01:58:16.000 And can it work?

01:58:17.000 It's sort of happening.

01:58:18.000 The Oklahoma Surgery Center right now, right, is doing it right now.

01:58:21.000 They list all their pricing.

01:58:24.000 Right?

01:58:24.000 So you can actually figure, oh, okay, I can get this.

01:58:26.000 I know what it costs.

01:58:27.000 It's cheaper than anything else.

01:58:27.000 And they do this outside of insurance?

01:58:29.000 Correct.

01:58:29.000 No insurance.

01:58:29.000 Yes.

01:58:30.000 There's a model that's popping up in certain areas now, doctors that are coming out of it.

01:58:33.000 And this is in Oklahoma only?

01:58:34.000 That I know of.

01:58:35.000 There may be others, but that one I know of.

01:58:37.000 Interesting.

01:58:37.000 So I think it's actually called the Oklahoma Center for Surgery or something like surgery center, something like that.

01:58:43.000 And so the ideal situation would be that would be available for people that can afford it.

01:58:49.000 And for people that can't afford it, there's always going to be catastrophic healthcare.

01:58:53.000 You break your leg, you're going to be taken care of.

01:58:55.000 Well, here's the issue.

01:58:55.000 You get the flu, you're going to be taken care of.

01:58:57.000 There's a bigger issue here.

01:58:58.000 And the bigger issue is we in this country have confused healthcare with healthcare insurance.

01:59:04.000 They are two totally separate things.

01:59:06.000 I don't talk much about healthcare insurance that much because I care more about the healthcare system itself.

01:59:11.000 The system itself is broken.

01:59:12.000 It's a cartel system.

01:59:14.000 So it's literally people in a room get together and go, hey, what do you think?

01:59:18.000 Aspirin, 85 bucks?

01:59:19.000 What do you think?

01:59:20.000 Yeah?

01:59:20.000 85 bucks it is for aspirin.

01:59:22.000 And it's not based on how much it costs to make aspirin?

01:59:24.000 No, not at all.

01:59:25.000 Not at all.

01:59:25.000 It is literally a cartel system.

01:59:27.000 So is that like that Martin, what is that little twat's name that wound up going to jail?

01:59:30.000 The kid on the Wu-Tang Clan album?

01:59:32.000 Perfect example.

01:59:33.000 Who jacked up the price of some medication in a horrific way?

01:59:38.000 Perfect example.

01:59:39.000 Yes, that of course is an extreme example.

01:59:41.000 But that's actually happening.

01:59:42.000 If you've ever gone to a hospital or gone to a doctor's office and you see the – they give you the bill, right?

01:59:46.000 Aspirin, 85 bucks.

01:59:47.000 In a bed for five minutes, $3,000.

01:59:50.000 I mean they do that, right?

01:59:52.000 And that's a problem in itself and one of the reasons is this.

01:59:55.000 Right now healthcare system – it's the current healthcare system.

01:59:58.000 All right, Joe, you decide you want to get a new job and you want to get some new clothes for your job.

02:00:04.000 So you come to me, the clother, Larry, and you say, hey, I need some new clothes.

02:00:07.000 I go, great.

02:00:08.000 Here's some new clothes and I show you what you're going to do and I give you your hat and clothes and everything you got.

02:00:11.000 It's awesome.

02:00:12.000 You go, thanks, Larry.

02:00:13.000 It's perfect.

02:00:13.000 Awesome.

02:00:14.000 How much does it cost?

02:00:15.000 And I say, I don't know.

02:00:17.000 You say, wait a minute.

02:00:18.000 I came to your store.

02:00:19.000 You gave me the perfect outfit for my new job.

02:00:21.000 You don't know how much it costs?

02:00:22.000 That's correct.

02:00:23.000 It's perfect.

02:00:24.000 I don't know how much it costs.

02:00:25.000 Here's what we're going to do.

02:00:26.000 You go home.

02:00:26.000 Take the clothes.

02:00:27.000 It's great for you.

02:00:28.000 You're going to get a bill in the mail about a week or so.

02:00:30.000 Whatever the bill is, I don't know what it is.

02:00:32.000 You have to pay.

02:00:33.000 That's our current healthcare system.

02:00:35.000 Wow.

02:00:36.000 That is true.

02:00:36.000 Yes, that's how it works.

02:00:37.000 That is true.

02:00:38.000 It's only in our system.

02:00:39.000 Right.

02:00:39.000 You don't do that for a car or clothes or computers.

02:00:42.000 For anything else.

02:00:42.000 Nothing else.

02:00:43.000 Only that.

02:00:44.000 It's true.

02:00:44.000 But here's the worst part.

02:00:45.000 All right.

02:00:46.000 You decide you want to buy this water from me.

02:00:49.000 Right?

02:00:49.000 I'm sorry.

02:00:50.000 Jamie.

02:00:51.000 Jamie.

02:00:51.000 So Jamie decides he wants to buy this water from you.

02:00:54.000 You can call him Young Jamie if you want to be able to.

02:00:55.000 Young Jamie.

02:00:56.000 Young Jamie wants to buy this water from you.

02:00:57.000 And you agree you want to sell to him for a dollar.

02:00:59.000 He agrees he's going to buy it for a dollar.

02:01:00.000 I step in.

02:01:01.000 I'm insurance.

02:01:02.000 Nope.

02:01:03.000 You cannot have this.

02:01:04.000 I have deemed as the insurance company that this actually is worth 50 cents.

02:01:09.000 I've decided so.

02:01:10.000 So I give him the water.

02:01:11.000 So I'm trying to sell the water for a dollar.

02:01:13.000 The insurance company says, fuck you, it's 50 cents.

02:01:16.000 That's correct.

02:01:17.000 And gives you 50 cents.

02:01:17.000 Done.

02:01:18.000 Yeah, that's a real problem with doctors.

02:01:20.000 Yes, absolutely.

02:01:21.000 So here comes next piece though.

02:01:22.000 Now, this guy over here, and he wants to buy the water too.

02:01:24.000 He doesn't have insurance.

02:01:25.000 I can't get involved.

02:01:27.000 Well, you want to sell the water to him.

02:01:29.000 How much do you want to sell the water to him now?

02:01:32.000 A buck fifty now.

02:01:33.000 You're going to make up 50 cents for him.

02:01:35.000 So he's paying three times as much he's paying.

02:01:37.000 How do you fix that?

02:01:39.000 That's the current system.

02:01:40.000 How would you fix that?

02:01:41.000 Transparency, transparency, transparency.

02:01:44.000 Number one thing, transparency.

02:01:45.000 You go to the doctor's office, you broke your foot.

02:01:47.000 You say, a broken foot costs this.

02:01:49.000 It costs $50 an hour for that.

02:01:52.000 It costs 15 cents per pill for this.

02:01:55.000 That kind of shit.

02:01:56.000 That would be amazing.

02:01:57.000 But just doing one thing, just saying, in New York State, just saying this.

02:02:02.000 If you sell medical services like any other service, you must be transparent.

02:02:08.000 Right?

02:02:08.000 That's it.

02:02:09.000 That's it.

02:02:10.000 So you can't just give someone a bill.

02:02:11.000 You have to show them why it costs what it costs.

02:02:13.000 Yes.

02:02:14.000 And you have to have a standard.

02:02:15.000 Absolutely.

02:02:16.000 That's very reasonable.

02:02:17.000 Yes.

02:02:18.000 It's like a car, right?

02:02:18.000 You don't always know how much it costs to fix the car.

02:02:20.000 They give an estimate.

02:02:21.000 So you feel like this system has just been in place for a long time, and they've taken advantage of it, and they have power, and so they're just leaving it the way it is.

02:02:29.000 There's also a bunch of fear.

02:02:31.000 And this isn't enough, right?

02:02:33.000 This concept of transparency is not enough.

02:02:36.000 All these problems that we have, people often say, well, Larry, what's the answer?

02:02:39.000 It's not one thing.

02:02:41.000 It's many things.

02:02:42.000 Transparency is a huge piece.

02:02:43.000 But you also have to facilitate more things.

02:02:45.000 As an example, you want to facilitate an environment to where if a Okay.

02:02:51.000 The current system people are starting to use now is what I call the Costco model, which is basically a membership model, right?

02:02:56.000 So the doctor's office has all of us as customers.

02:03:00.000 All of us decide to pay or they agree whatever the payment is.

02:03:03.000 It's $400 a month or you have a kid so you're $800 a month or you're singles, whatever the price is.

02:03:09.000 We all pay.

02:03:10.000 We now can go to that doctor's office whenever we need to.

02:03:12.000 And whoever's in the office, whatever they have, we have access to.

02:03:16.000 It costs five bucks.

02:03:17.000 Five bucks per day, that's all.

02:03:19.000 They try this at zero, just doing it free, but senior citizens would show up every day.

02:03:23.000 So they charge instead $5, $5.

02:03:26.000 Show up at $5 anytime you need to.

02:03:27.000 What's the goal of the doctor's office?

02:03:29.000 The goal of the doctor's office is for you to be healthy, for you to never show up.

02:03:33.000 Just pay your $400 every month and to never show up.

02:03:36.000 That would be awesome, right?

02:03:37.000 Right.

02:03:37.000 Now, that's happening already, right?

02:03:39.000 The advantage is whatever they have, we get to use.

02:03:41.000 So if they start making more money, they will bring on more doctors.

02:03:43.000 They will bring on more everything so that you will get more of your family and friends to come and pay them the monthly fee, like a gym membership.

02:03:48.000 Same thing, right?

02:03:49.000 As long as you're healthy, you're fine.

02:03:50.000 Right.

02:03:51.000 What will happen is, as long as they can help you, they help you.

02:03:54.000 If they can't, two things.

02:03:55.000 You have catastrophic insurance.

02:03:57.000 And they would have some type of agreement with another facility, like a hospital or something like that, so that they would get a lower price because you're going to them, they're sending patients to you, right?

02:04:06.000 So if you had a bigger issue they couldn't handle, they have an agreement with other facilities, so you get a lower price anyway.

02:04:10.000 But you'd have insurance for that, catastrophic insurance, of course.

02:04:13.000 And we already have something like that.

02:04:14.000 We have long-term care insurance, right?

02:04:16.000 Which is insurance that when you get something that will last a long time, there are insurances that will help to pay along, but also...

02:04:23.000 But more importantly than that, with that in mind, we have to take care of our people who are very poor.

02:04:29.000 So what can we do?

02:04:30.000 We can have a system to where you have the option to take insurance normally if you want to or this system and here's an incentive.

02:04:36.000 If you decide to say, as an example, and I'm making this up as an example only, you know, 10% of your people you will bring on for free.

02:04:45.000 And based upon how we decide that they're poor, I'm making this up as an idea, so they are eligible for free school lunch in New York State.

02:04:55.000 That's how we as New York State will define poor, for the sake of argument.

02:04:59.000 If they're eligible for that, you take those people, then we will give you a break on this tax or this fee or this thing if you do this.

02:05:25.000 Mm-hmm.

02:05:29.000 Now you have more people who want to get into the insurance business.

02:05:31.000 You'll have more options and choices for insurance.

02:05:33.000 You'll have people who just get emergency room insurance.

02:05:35.000 Some people who just get long-term care insurance.

02:05:37.000 Some people who just get X, Y, and Z insurance.

02:05:39.000 How could you reduce the number, the amount of money, rather, that pharmaceutical drugs cost?

02:05:44.000 Because that would be a big issue, right?

02:05:45.000 It would be, absolutely.

02:05:46.000 Now, there's several things.

02:05:47.000 One, of course, is the FDA. The FDA stifles so much.

02:05:52.000 I mean, the FDA has to be completely rebooted.

02:05:53.000 I can't really do that in New York State.

02:05:54.000 That's the thing the state government really can't do much of.

02:05:57.000 All I can do is force them to be transparent so that people see how bad it is.

02:06:00.000 As a general rule, and this isn't 100% rule, but a general rule is when you shine a light on bad behavior, almost always you can make the bad behavior less.

02:06:08.000 So when it has to be transparent and when you actually see each pill costs all this money, enough people go, dude, what are you doing?

02:06:16.000 Enough go, what are you doing?

02:06:18.000 I'm not doing this.

02:06:19.000 And it will force the system to change.

02:06:21.000 But that's a long-term solution that is really a federal issue.

02:06:25.000 Well, listen, Larry, you got some really good ideas.

02:06:27.000 They're very revolutionary.

02:06:28.000 You're a bold motherfucker.

02:06:30.000 That's the goal.

02:06:30.000 You're taking some chances.

02:06:31.000 Absolutely.

02:06:32.000 I like the fact that you're sticking your neck out there with a lot of these things, and I hope you really do well.

02:06:37.000 Let me wrap the last piece up here.

02:06:38.000 Please do.

02:06:39.000 If I don't win.

02:06:41.000 If you don't win.

02:06:42.000 If I win, it changes this nation overnight.

02:06:45.000 100%.

02:06:46.000 Because all the ideas pop up.

02:06:47.000 Things will change.

02:06:48.000 You will see people who are independent step up.

02:06:50.000 What do you have to do to get them to be in the debates?

02:06:54.000 Just be popular.

02:06:55.000 That's it?

02:06:56.000 That's it.

02:06:56.000 How much do you have to be popular?

02:06:58.000 What has to be decided?

02:06:59.000 They just decide.

02:07:00.000 Who decides?

02:07:01.000 Is there a state committee for what the presidential thing is?

02:07:05.000 Cuomo decides if he wants to show up or not.

02:07:07.000 That's it?

02:07:08.000 Yes.

02:07:08.000 And what he does is he says, follow my rules and I'll show up.

02:07:11.000 What is his rules?

02:07:12.000 Whatever he feels is appropriate.

02:07:14.000 Really?

02:07:14.000 He can do that?

02:07:15.000 Yeah.

02:07:15.000 Oh, he won't show.

02:07:16.000 He did it with Nixon.

02:07:17.000 He said it has to be sit down, must be here, must be there.

02:07:20.000 She said yes, he showed up.

02:07:21.000 So he'll have his rules.

02:07:22.000 I'll say yes, and I'll show up.

02:07:25.000 Will he do that with you?

02:07:26.000 I don't know.

02:07:27.000 I think he will.

02:07:28.000 In the last two times, he did it.

02:07:31.000 All four people showed up.

02:07:33.000 Well, good for him.

02:07:35.000 So yes, last time he did it.

02:07:36.000 So he probably will.

02:07:37.000 When would this possibly happen?

02:07:38.000 October.

02:07:39.000 October.

02:07:39.000 Yes.

02:07:40.000 And we could promote that.

02:07:42.000 Of course.

02:07:42.000 We could tell people about it.

02:07:43.000 Absolutely.

02:07:45.000 What would be the key things that you and him would butt heads on?

02:07:50.000 Wow, so much.

02:07:51.000 As a general rule, the biggest thing is the state's collapsing, and he doesn't say that.

02:07:56.000 He says the state's awesome because we have great gun control.

02:08:00.000 It's literally what he says.

02:08:02.000 He's worried about fighting Trump.

02:08:03.000 He thinks fighting Trump is everything because he's running for president in 2020. So his entire campaign is, I'm the only one who can beat Trump.

02:08:11.000 I'm the only one who can protect New York State from Trump.

02:08:13.000 And if he loses the governorship...

02:08:16.000 He's fucked running for president.

02:08:18.000 I don't know.

02:08:19.000 Depends on how Democrats think.

02:08:20.000 I mean, you know, depends.

02:08:21.000 Some Democrats...

02:08:22.000 Depends on who wants to fight Trump in 2020. If Trump is very popular, a lot of Democrats won't want to fight him, and Cuomo will.

02:08:29.000 Who else is going to run?

02:08:31.000 What do you mean for 2020?

02:08:32.000 For president as a Democrat.

02:08:33.000 Is Hillary running again?

02:08:35.000 I don't know.

02:08:35.000 It seems like she is, right?

02:08:37.000 Maybe.

02:08:37.000 It seems like Bernie might run again.

02:08:39.000 He might.

02:08:39.000 Yeah.

02:08:40.000 I don't know.

02:08:40.000 There's a lot of mights.

02:08:41.000 So, I don't really know.

02:08:42.000 His loss might mean that he doesn't run, but...

02:08:46.000 But if you win...

02:08:48.000 Changes the entire nation.

02:08:49.000 Not just that, you will find people who are liberty-leaning all of a sudden running a libertarian banner because I'm right now the most popular guy running who has an L by his name.

02:08:59.000 There are some libertarians who are running who don't have L's by their name.

02:09:01.000 They're running in non-partisan races.

02:09:02.000 I'm running boldly with an L by my name, right?

02:09:04.000 So I'm trying to change the brand so it's a decent brand is what I'm doing.

02:09:07.000 I put libertarian on my stuff.

02:09:09.000 I'm always libertarian.

02:09:10.000 So I'm trying to build the brand out to be a better brand.

02:09:14.000 So if I win, the brand's better.

02:09:16.000 People will do that.

02:09:17.000 We'll raise There'll be a real third party.

02:09:19.000 I mean, there'll be a third party in the United States which will make better Democrats and better Republicans.

02:09:23.000 We'll literally be a better nation.

02:09:24.000 A better politic will be better in America if I actually win this damn thing.

02:09:30.000 But let's say I lose.

02:09:31.000 Say I'm wrong.

02:09:32.000 My things, my ideas are wrong.

02:09:33.000 Whatever people don't agree, I lose.

02:09:34.000 It doesn't matter.

02:09:35.000 The bold ideas are still out there.

02:09:38.000 What you heard, what your audience heard is still there.

02:09:41.000 Someone's going to pick this up.

02:09:43.000 Someone's going to talk about it.

02:09:44.000 And you're fine with that?

02:09:45.000 100%.

02:09:47.000 Yes, please.

02:09:48.000 I want to fix things.

02:09:50.000 I'm not concerned with who gets the credit for it.

02:09:53.000 Let's fix it.

02:09:54.000 I want a better place to live.

02:09:56.000 This country is in trouble.

02:09:57.000 New York is a perfect example of where we're going.

02:09:59.000 I don't want that to be the rest of this nation.

02:10:01.000 We can fix...

02:10:02.000 Steal all my stuff, please.

02:10:04.000 Steal it all.

02:10:05.000 Awesome.

02:10:05.000 I hope you steal it.

02:10:06.000 I hope California copies me and does everything I said.

02:10:09.000 It'd be amazing.

02:10:09.000 Please do that.

02:10:10.000 It'd be awesome.

02:10:11.000 But if people don't hear me...

02:10:13.000 If I don't get out there, if I don't get on the debate stage and I don't come in second or third, then no one's going to hear me because I'm going to be forgotten.

02:10:18.000 But if I come in second or a tight third, there will be a microphone in my face for the next two years.

02:10:23.000 And every time it's out there, I'll be saying stuff just like this again and again and again.

02:10:29.000 And maybe my education isn't perfect.

02:10:31.000 But guess what?

02:10:32.000 Someone will figure out the right one.

02:10:33.000 It won't be just keep giving it money.

02:10:35.000 It won't be that.

02:10:36.000 It'll be something that'll actually work.

02:10:38.000 It'll be something brand new and exciting and get people to come back to our state.

02:10:42.000 What I don't want is what's happening now is kids get educated, they leave, they don't come back, or they get educated someplace else and never come back.

02:10:49.000 It's the wrong answer.

02:10:51.000 Good luck to you, Larry.

02:10:52.000 Thank you very much for being here.

02:10:54.000 Larry Sharp, ladies and gentlemen.

02:10:56.000 The revolution has just begun.

The Joe Rogan Experience - September 05, 2018

Joe Rogan Experience #1167 - Larry Sharpe

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