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00:00:38.000It's great to write on, but Windows updates like two or three times a day sometimes.
00:00:43.000Not just Windows, but like Lenovo will update, and there's some sort of firmware update, and a BIOS update, and Adobe Acrobat's checking in.
00:01:09.000It's like one of those things where you're just sort of used to muscle memory, you're used to doing it, and then they touch the other buttons with their thumb.
00:04:56.000It's like your brain has, at some point, decided, like, I have a certain amount of capacity in my brain, and I don't want to use any of that for anything that I'm not interested in.
00:06:52.000I mean, if you have a—they would be able to find it if they got a hold of your GPS unit, but if you got, like, a Garmin GPS unit that people use when they go hiking, you can, you know, mark where your camp is.
00:07:02.000You could do some, like, geotagging shit.
00:07:06.000You could go to the fucking woods and go to a tree and dig a hole next to that tree deep into the ground, drop a coffee can with a million dollars in it.
00:07:15.000Geotag, put your little tag on it and come back to it.
00:07:17.000I don't know why I keep going to coffee can.
00:07:20.000There's something about a coffee can that's very pleasing in the idea of like rolls of money in like a, yeah, in like a chock full of nuts or whatever that coffee is, like a Folgers crystals.
00:07:31.000You know, Fargo was just on the other day, and it's like Buscemi hiding that money, and then he's got his window scraper, and it's just like desolate snow for miles, and he sticks the window scraper into the snow to mark where he's hidden the money,
00:09:39.000He's in jail because he won't tell them where it is, and he owes people, like, I don't know, arguably hundreds to millions of dollars or something like that because of how much it's worth.
00:11:04.000I mean, can you imagine taking a fucking boat that you made out of trees, filling it up with meth, and trying to float it across the fucking ocean.
00:11:14.000With, like, a map that some fucking drunk dude wrote.
00:11:17.000And no knowledge at all about storms coming.
00:11:46.000And then they have to send a letter that hopefully goes back across the ocean and then to some fucking mailman who's drunk and dies of a heart attack in the mud in Poland.
00:11:58.000And you hope it gets to you to be like, yeah, okay, I'll go meet you in Rochester.
00:12:03.000I'm blown away that anybody got in touch with anybody and found their family.
00:13:28.000But one of the things that's crazy is these motherfuckers would get on boats and they'd go...
00:13:33.000Just row across the ocean, kill a bunch of people, and come back six months later with some gold, and everybody would be waiting for them at the docks.
00:17:17.000It's also like you look at old movies and you're like...
00:17:19.000It's old, old movies where you're like...
00:17:22.000Cary Grant or something, and you're like...
00:17:24.000He's playing the young bachelor, and he looks like fucking 60. And maybe he is 60, or maybe it's just like he was just fucking smoking and drinking and looked like...
00:19:18.000I'm like, I don't know what they were doing for, they were just like fucking eating raw eggs, I'm assuming?
00:19:22.000Well, there was just very few of them.
00:19:24.000There was bodybuilders back then, but the numbers were so minuscule in comparison to people today.
00:19:30.000Like you can go to any gym today, like you go to Equinox and it's filled with jack people and women with giant butts and guys with big chests.
00:20:55.000It's hilarious because it looks like you without looking like you.
00:20:59.000There's a real gift to that when people, they figure out how to capture the perfect caricature.
00:21:04.000It's weird that we, and we give them, even when we, even if it's like, we try to like, when we have new characters, we'll just give them pictures of the people that are playing them and just let them find that version of them.
00:21:15.000And even when we don't, we'll give people references because there's something about capturing a real person that makes it specific in a way that That you're like, wow, dude, everybody can draw, just draw whoever, which does work, but still, there's something about being like,
00:21:31.000no, we want a guy who looks like Rogan.
00:21:33.000They'll get that essence that creates something that feels more real.
00:21:39.000We have a killer team of people designing all those characters.
00:21:43.000What I love about your show is, well, I like a lot of things about it, but one of the things that I love about it is that you really can only do that on Netflix.
00:24:54.000Andrew Goldberg, Mark Levin, and Jen Flaggett were like, they were talking about it because Mark and Jen have a kid who was around that age when we started doing it.
00:25:02.000They were just talking about hormones and all that shit.
00:25:04.000And they're like, we should have a hormone monster.
00:25:06.000And then they're like, yeah, it should just be a hormone monster.
00:25:31.000There's, like, what you see in South Park and what you see in Bill Burr's show, F is for Family.
00:25:37.000There's things that you can do in an animated show that are...
00:25:41.000Physically impossible in any other form and it's amazing.
00:25:45.000Yeah, it's an amazing format Especially for I think for us like for if you're a Especially if you're like a comedy brain that doesn't necessarily come straight out of like classic sitcom writing that what you have other weird ways of getting into something and You want to be able to personify it and like animation just allows you to do it also allows you to fucking You couldn't do live action stuff with kids the way we have.
00:26:16.000But you see it in animation and you can get away and be like, alright, let's have the Statue of Liberty talk to that girl and let's have this hormone monster in this season.
00:27:27.000But it was like, it wasn't just like even a sitcom where it's like, oh, we're gonna have a little, maybe someone on set saying something weird.
00:27:33.000Like, we're having this kid doing some weird shit.
00:27:35.000And I was like, okay, I hope this is alright.
00:27:37.000What year did you get in the show business?
00:27:40.000How old was I? I was like 20. I started doing open mics like 2002. I was 23, 24. Yeah.
00:28:26.000Because you have enough awkward, uncomfortable, actual years as an adult.
00:28:30.000He also had, like, a few years on that show, and then that show got canceled, and he, like, didn't have much of a, like, there were a few lean years there.
00:33:33.000I'm more inclined to do that today because everyone's taking photos of everything and video of everything, and I just feel I don't have time to look at them.
00:33:43.000If I went and looked into my iPhoto from seven, eight years ago, just started going through all the pictures, the only thing I keep is photos of my kids.
00:34:50.000And I'll go on there, but now Google's got, like, stories it thinks I'm gonna be interested in, and then I'll be like, oh, fuck, I guess I gotta look up whatever's going on.
00:34:58.000And then, like, 30 minutes later, I'm like, why did I go to Google?
00:35:44.000Where I was like, okay, I'm going to put the math together.
00:35:46.000I think there's been a hurricane somewhere.
00:35:51.000But I feel like my downtime, I think I'm scared of having actual downtime because when I have actual downtime, I spend so much time inside my phone and that stresses me out.
00:36:06.000So like, if I'm working, I don't have time to be looking at my phone.
00:36:10.000And then I'm like, just work, you know what I mean?
00:36:13.000But it's, and it's, I'm scared of like, downtime.
00:36:17.000Yeah, downtime and phone time, they are very bad for you.
00:42:21.000Well, when we started doing this fitness thing, Ari had, you know, we have the Sober October thing, and then there's this fitness challenge attached to it.
00:42:28.000And Ari literally hadn't worked out at all in, I think he said 10 years.
00:42:33.000I think 10 years ago, he was taking jiu-jitsu with me.
00:42:36.000That's the last time he did any exercise at all.
00:43:05.000Is there anything to it if you have an exercise in ten years and you all of a sudden start to exercise, your heart rate goes up naturally because it's like, what the fuck's going on?
00:43:22.000But see, this thing is very flawed, this fucking, this thing that we have, because it gives you the same amount of points for 80% of your heart rate as it does for 90. So for the first day, I was like, I'm gonna bury these motherfuckers.
00:43:36.000And I pegged my heart rate at 90 for like 35 minutes.
00:43:39.000I was like, I'm just gonna leave them in the dust.
00:45:00.000I decided over the last couple of days, I took three days off because I had to go to Vegas and I had to work, and then I decided yesterday I'm going to fuck these guys up.
00:45:09.000So yesterday and today, I've been hitting it hard.
00:52:32.000A couple buddies were like, I've done this acid before, and I haven't read the Michael Pollan book, but I was like, enough, there's enough, and I know you've been talking about it, there's enough around there that I'm like, I'm ready.
00:52:43.000Because I remember in my late 20s, someone was trying to buy mushrooms, and they were like, I got acid, and I was like...
00:53:05.000And there's a certain percentage of the population, like they were trying to make a correlation between...
00:53:11.000Marijuana use and schizophrenia, that it causes schizophrenia, but they found that the numbers are the same as the general population.
00:53:18.000The numbers of people who use marijuana become schizophrenic is the same numbers.
00:53:21.000It's just you take a hundred people, there's going to be one of them that's going to be schizophrenic, whatever the number is, whether it's 1% or higher.
00:54:20.000I can't, I just like, early on I was like, I tried edibles and I just remember, I remember being in Austin, I don't know if it was South By or whatever, and I had like a cookie, like a little bit of a, it was earlier, much earlier than now how regulated things are, and I ate a little bit and like went back to my hotel room and I was like...
00:54:40.000I was like, I can't look at the screen.
00:54:41.000And I just, like, walked the streets, went to the city, the capital, the state capital, and just, like, looked at the, like, portraits of the former governors of Texas.
00:54:50.000And then was like, got, like, sober-ish.
00:54:54.000And then my buddies were like, we're going to a gun range.
00:57:44.000It was like, oh, this feels like some version of what Heaven feels like, you know, like where the sky, the colors in the sky are unbelievable and all of a sudden all the desert, all the sand, you know, it's like this real fine alkaline dust.
00:58:01.000And it's like, you feel like you're seeing some real, like, grid work, you know?
00:58:05.000I don't know if you have that feeling where you're like, oh, I can feel like I'm seeing some underlying dynamics of the structural stuff.
00:59:05.000But it was interesting, because I... So then the sun sets, and it's like, even at the height of it, it didn't feel warm like mushrooms have felt.
00:59:55.000Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the initial reason for creating...
01:00:02.000I think they were they were trying to come up with a drug to induce labor I'm pretty sure that was the original I think that's what they were working on and in the process synthesized LSD and LSD as a compound and it's One of those unbelievably potent compounds where someone...
01:00:27.000I think it was Terrence McKenna described it as the power to weight ratio is so huge that it's like if you had one ant that dismantled the Statue of Liberty in 30 minutes.
01:02:02.000We've gone through our lives together.
01:02:04.000And there's that thing when you trip where you're like, that space-time continuum thing.
01:02:09.000It feels less linear time where you're like, I'm having thoughts that I had 20 years ago, and I'm having them today, and I'm going to have them in 20 years.
01:02:17.000The linear nature of all this feels a little less...
01:02:21.000And I'm with my buddy who's been a witness to my life.
01:02:24.000So we're having this great, large conversation about our lives and all that shit, and the sun's setting.
01:03:24.000On mushrooms in some way, you feel kind of inside of the flow of nature.
01:03:32.000But I was also like, by the time the end of Burning Man, there are people there all week and building it and putting all this stuff together and artists, it's interesting.
01:03:40.000And then there is definitely a section of Burning Man which is just super wealthy people showing up for debauchery and to be around models who are nearly naked.
01:03:52.000And it's like, and that's when, and you look around and the aesthetic of Burning Man is like somewhere between like Mad Max, Game of Thrones and Tron.
01:04:05.000It's somewhere in that space, which is fucking rad.
01:04:09.000But then when you're kind of on acid and you're kind of looking around, and I had this feeling of like, ugh, the rich are here to collect their spoils.
01:04:19.000Do you think that having the great experience of seeing the sky and the desert and all the beauty, and when you're like, wow, this is amazing, and then when you have something like a fire, and then on top of that you have a giant group of people,
01:04:35.000And then you realize there's not really a lot of law enforcement here.
01:04:39.000This seems like it could be completely chaotic.
01:04:51.000This year was pretty well regulated, like, because we had seen a couple nights before at Sunrise, there was like, you know, they have all this, it's...
01:04:59.000What I found to it was like the kind of the duality of it all.
01:05:03.000Like, Burning Man feels very much like there's this, like, sacred and profane shit all happening together, and it's oftentimes pretty cool.
01:05:12.000Sunrise a couple mornings earlier, there's this 20-foot wooden dragonfly statue that someone had built, and they light it on fire.
01:05:21.000They're just like, now we're going to burn it.
01:05:23.000Some dude had spent a year making this statue, and he's like, now we're going to fucking burn it.
01:05:27.000And so there were park rangers all around it, and so there's no getting inside.
01:05:33.000They light it on fire, and then the sun rises over to the left, and then I looked up, and there were like 30 people parachuting out of the sky.
01:06:09.000And I hit a point where I was like, alright guys, I gotta get out of this 70,000.
01:06:15.000And I also had a fear of like, I wasn't scared of the fire.
01:06:18.000I was scared of like, I was seated watching and I was like, I'm scared of a trampling.
01:06:22.000Yeah, that's what I mean by like the giant group of people and then also with a fire and and then a gathering When when you're dealing with a big gathering there's always the potential for someone acting out whether they just need a lot of attention or they go crazy or I mean think about adverse reactions to psychedelics yes and 70,000 people the potential for something going haywire is pretty high Yeah.
01:06:48.000What I found interesting over the whole week was – because I was pretty skeptical.
01:07:07.000But there's really no – it's pretty anarchical.
01:07:10.000Like, there's really very little – But in so much, there's actually, like, some unspoken rules that basically everybody's kind of following, which I found kind of fascinating, where, like, there's no...
01:07:30.000There seems to be no regulatory board being like, let me make sure that your crazy 30-foot, three-tiered, iron car is up to standards.
01:07:44.000There seems to be very little of that, and yet it all seems to function pretty smoothly.
01:07:50.000Like there's like some unspoken acceptance of certain rules.
01:07:54.000I'm sure there are people freaking out.
01:07:56.000I know there are people like, but it's mostly people like being like, I took too much drugs and I didn't hydrate.
01:08:00.000And like they go to the medic and they're, but like weirdly I found it all operating pretty smoothly.
01:08:09.000But that's when the acid then sort of turned a bit where I was like, there's some darkness here that I want to get away from.
01:08:19.000Well, it seems like whenever you have a situation where you get a bunch of people that want to do something outside the norm, they want to get together and they want to experience...
01:08:29.000Experience something that's just, they're bored with society and this is their big break and it seems like there's so much expectations and there's kind of a code that these people want to follow.
01:08:41.000And that code is that, you know, it's almost like a utopian vision of a better society, even if it's for only a week or so.
01:09:44.000But like you go, you know, you ride around bikes and all of a sudden we like roll up to this area where there's like a mechanical arm holding these lights that are LED lights that are in a circle.
01:09:57.000And you lie below it and it's like a light show, you know.
01:11:21.000Yes, nobody has an established, like, dominance or domain over it at all.
01:11:25.000You just are entering on the same page.
01:11:27.000We've been talking about this a lot lately, like, cults never work.
01:11:31.000Like, there's not a single, like, one of these wild, wild country things, or, you know, Waco, or the guys in, what was the one in San Diego where they cut their balls off?
01:12:25.000It's always a person and it always gets fucked up because that person...
01:12:33.000It's always playing off of this weird alpha chimpanzee instinct that we have to have like a big daddy, the daddy that has all the messages and is in touch with God or the UFO behind the asteroid or whatever the fuck it is.
01:12:50.000There's always this one person, whether it's Jim Jones or fill in the blank.
01:12:55.000There's someone who has all the answers.
01:12:57.000And there's a weird desire that people have to look to this one person that has all the answers.
01:15:04.000Yeah, there's a study that they just did on it, or they're in the process of doing it right now at Harvard, where they're trying to find out whether you can get similar results to sauna that you get from hot yoga, because they think it's a similar situation that's happening with what's called cytokines,
01:15:55.000170 or 180. And you do that for 20 minutes, four times a week, and there's a radical decreasing of your overall systemic inflammation because of that.
01:16:08.000Getting it that hot makes you less inflamed because it's like, all right, we got it out of our system there.
01:16:57.000I listen to mine if it sucked or if it's something that I need to, like Rhonda Patrick, like when she's spouting out science and I have to hear it over and over again to get it into my stupid brain.
01:17:36.000Yeah, I gotta listen to the good ones because I'm like, what did I... It's like, not like, what was so special about me, but being like, oh, I improvised this, this, and this.
01:18:23.000Well, there's a moment that happens when you're improvising with an audience where someone says something and you just have the perfect response out of nowhere.
01:18:34.000They know that you just came up with it out of nowhere and it just works.
01:18:37.000But there's also lines that you add to a bit that just came up out of nowhere and maybe they just crushed that night, but they're still viable.
01:20:28.000That was like, me and Mulaney do, we did it off-Broadway for like 25 days, something like that, and then toured it a little bit five days in Boston, five days in D.C., L.A., New York, whatever.
01:22:40.000She was the Channel J cable access porn stripper interview show in New York in like the 80s and 90s.
01:22:47.000There's no reason you would know it except if like you were 13 and going to sleep at your friend's house in the city and jerking off the fucking strippers getting interviewed like I was.
01:23:37.000We did that in between season one and season two of Big Mouth because it takes so long to write it and then to animate it and all that stuff.
01:24:13.000Yeah, it's just like nine hours, ten hours, and you're just pitching jokes all day long, and it's like, you know, for me, I do a bunch of the voices on the show, so I'm pitching for myself, I'm pitching for my, you know, all the other characters, and you're just, at any given moment, you're watching, you're writing,
01:24:28.000you're breaking an episode, you're rewriting another episode, you're giving notes on a radio play of just the audio, you're giving notes on...
01:24:56.000You're just, yeah, you're just given, you're rewriting.
01:24:59.000It's the beauty of animation, too, that you just keep getting to fucking, you know, figure stuff out when something's not working or just keep, you know, it's good for that kind of perfectionist polisher of, like, what you're talking about where you're like, what's not working?
01:25:14.000You keep getting to figure out what's not working, you know, versus, like, live action where you're like, I hope I got it.
01:25:46.000I mean, there are certain times where I'm like, ooh, I feel cooked.
01:25:49.000But it's like anything else where you're like, you train your brain in that space where you're like, the first two weeks you come home, your brain is exhausted at the end of the night.
01:25:56.000And then two weeks in, you're like, oh, okay.
01:26:43.000They taste delicious, but your body has a really hard time processing that shit, and afterwards you just...
01:26:49.000Like, the other day I was in Vegas, and because it was on a Sunday, I was like, ah, fuck it, man, I'll just have some pancakes or something like that.
01:26:56.000So I had crepes, and I had this yogurt with all this, it was like, you know, flavored vanilla yogurt with fruit in it and shit, and I had, oh, and I had two cupcakes, or two donuts, because they had homemade donuts at the hotel.
01:27:13.000I was like, alright, I'll get a couple of donuts.
01:29:05.000It's been clinically proven through two double-blind placebo-controlled studies at Boston Center for Memory that it increases verbal memory, like your ability to find the right word for a sentence.
01:29:24.000Well, it's live, and I'm recounting thousands of fights.
01:29:27.000Like, if you hear me talk, I don't use notes, really.
01:29:32.000I mean, I have some notes in front of me that, like, I'll get a guy's record, or he's 7-0, especially guys that I haven't seen fight too many times.
01:29:39.000There's a few things that I'd like to just have on hand.
01:29:41.000Most of it's all in the back of my head.
01:29:43.000So I'm recounting a thousand plus fights that I've seen.
01:29:47.000Has your memory always been like that?
01:29:58.000And she's like, I just fucking told you that.
01:30:01.000Well, I was having a conversation with a friend recently and was like, well, I remember that your friend is Brazilian, but I have no idea where I was in April.
01:30:57.000Funny people, a lot of times they think in sort of that abstract way, and that usually doesn't lend itself to the best memory.
01:31:04.000It's sort of a wild, loose, impulsive, abstract quality that, in my opinion, my friends, the funniest friends that I have sort of have that thing going on.
01:31:15.000Do you write your jokes ahead of time?
01:31:59.000Put this one first, that one second, and then when I click on each one that it takes me to all of the shit that I've written on that particular subject.
01:32:07.000I've just found that it makes a big difference in my output, the quality material, like how much stuff that's good, taglines, I never forget the taglines anymore.
01:32:18.000Because are you visually seeing, when you're on stage, are you like visually seeing the tagline in your head?
01:32:22.000Yeah, what I do on stage, the thing that I do before I go on stage, like that day, usually within a couple hours of performing, I write things out in a notebook.
01:32:34.000If you look at my notebook, it's like, all work, no play makes Jack a dull boy.
01:32:38.000I write the same thing over and over again, like 30, 40 pages, because it's just a memory book, really.
01:32:45.000I should call it a memory book rather than a notebook, because very little of it is actual writing.
01:32:49.000Most of it is just like, I just want to make sure that I write down all the beats to whatever bit.
01:32:56.000I've never found an organizational method that I like and can stick to in that way.
01:33:01.000Like, my shit is like, there's like, my little notebooks that are like, you know, my little, that you carry up and I put on stage with a set list.
01:33:09.000And then I've got like ideas in my phone.
01:33:11.000And then I've got another bigger notebook with some more writing in it.
01:33:34.000But the difference to me is if I just write in my head and then go on stage and I have a good premise and I work it out and it turns into a bit and as long as I do it a lot, I memorize it.
01:33:55.000I still give myself a lot of room on stage to fuck around, and I will just take a premise and run with it on stage, but if I have a bit Now, I don't allow myself to not sit in front of the screen and just write.
01:34:11.000Like, if there's a bit on, like I said, bottled water, if there's a bit on bottled water, I will write that bit out, and I will write it again, and I'll write it again, and I'll just open up Microsoft Word and start from scratch.
01:34:22.000I'll say, okay, let's just start that bit over again.
01:34:25.000Let's see, maybe if I just did it today, would I do it any differently?
01:34:28.000And you've got to leave that time to do that writing.
01:35:50.000Unless there's, like, a specific, like, weird, like, I've done my buddy's podcast, like, uh, Manzoukas, Paul Scheer, and June Raphael have a podcast, like, How Did This Get Made?, where they talk about shitty movies.
01:36:02.000Yeah, and then, and then you do that live, and the audience has been told what the movie is, and then we get up there and we fuck around, and that feels like everybody, there's a, but there is, like, a, it's not just a pure fuck around.
01:36:55.000Well, it's weirdly kind of what I'm saying about when we were doing Oh Hello, which is like, we're not going to acknowledge these fucking people out there?
01:37:04.000Let's let them know what we're doing here.
01:37:05.000That's the cool thing about that, that you guys wrote it yourself, and you don't have to adhere to, you know, there's not a producer that wants you to stick to this ancient script.
01:37:15.000There's not some, like, assistant director coming in and be like, Hi, Matthias thinks that you guys should be...
01:37:21.000You notice that you changed this word.
01:37:23.000That was what always drove me crazy, was on set, where you're like, I know, especially now, where I'm like, when they wouldn't let you change a word.
01:37:46.000Perfect song that requires, like, you know, like, I respect your process, but also respect that you wrote this three months ago, and we were not in a room, and you were not with this, like, we are now in this particular situation on this day.
01:37:59.000So let's also realize that that, and I accept that when I write for other people, that, like, whatever I was trying to do in that room, let's try to get that, but let's also acknowledge where we are in this new moment, you know?
01:38:13.000Yeah, that was one of the more amazing things about working with Paul Sims on NewsRadio, is that he allowed you to rewrite entire scenes.
01:39:23.000Nobody knows that like it's going to still say like Paul Sims created the show.
01:39:28.000Nobody's going to know that Foley did an interesting rewrite on a rehearsal.
01:39:32.000Well, I think Paul would even tell you.
01:39:34.000But the thing about it was that when you write something out, just like we were talking about before, if you write jokes, they don't come to life unless there's people there.
01:39:42.000They come to life when you're actually performing them.
01:39:44.000A joke just doesn't exist in a vacuum.
01:40:40.000And so by the time we're actually getting the table read, where we're hearing it again out loud, even before we get there, we've read it all out loud and put it on its feet five times before it's even getting heard in that room.
01:40:53.000You know what's the grossest thing of all time?
01:45:50.000And then I tuned in the news, and there was helicopters flying over Phil's house, and then there was that guy who was in Cocoon, who was a really famous actor for a while, but he lost his fucking marbles.
01:47:59.000I think there's a certain weirdness to talking to the press about someone who's just been murdered and people that are willing to go on camera and give interviews and stuff.
01:49:14.000Also, Ron Goldman's father, and I can't even begin to fathom what that whole experience would be for anyone, but he felt very performative to me.
01:50:43.000Post-riots, all that stuff, and you're like, oh, it does lend itself to be like, oh, this was a perfect confluence of events that led to this thing of racial, everything that went into the OJ trial.
01:51:06.000It was a strange time because it just seemed like the world was made of something that was way more flexible than I ever thought it was before.
01:51:13.000Like, I never thought O.J. Simpson could be a murderer.
01:52:08.000His good buddies who stood by him talk about him in high school and he's kind of like he was fucking throwing his friends under the bus in high school.
01:52:15.000Like all three of them would be like doing some like in the bathroom like doing some shit they're supposed to be in class and the principal would come in and the three of them are all together and OJ would just like saddle up next to the principal and be like what are we gonna do with these two guys?
01:54:33.000Well, Richard Ramirez, the Night Stalker, that guy apparently got all these women were sending him pictures and email, or letters, actually.
01:58:10.000I don't know what the social, like, the currency of that is.
01:58:14.000When Scott Peterson was sent to death row in California, San Quentin prison for murdering his wife and their unborn child, dozens of women phoned asking for his address with one teenager wasting no time and offering to marry him.
01:58:30.000I think there is some sort of ancient DNA that people have that attracts them to murderers and conquerors because those are the people that survived.
01:58:40.000And there's some sort of a strange inclination for some women Obviously ones that are not thinking clearly, but for some women to want the sperm and the genetics of a murderer.
01:58:55.000Because that's the type of, if you had a murderous, brave conqueror for a child, that child would survive.
02:00:28.000I think when I think about that, I'm like, what happened to those people that made them to the point where they would be interested in something like that?
02:00:38.000I think that when that happened, when Cosby first started doing that, I think it was common.
02:00:45.000I think that whole slipping of Mickey thing, Spanish fly, I think in the 60s and the 50s, I think asshole men did that to women all the fucking time.
02:00:54.000And I don't think people thought about the consequences.
02:00:57.000I don't think people thought about the rights of women.
02:00:59.000I mean, if you just think about, like, chauvinism in films...
02:01:04.000Male chauvinist behavior and sexist behavior, men smacking women in films.
02:04:04.000Yeah, he'll pop up and be, and he's so funny.
02:04:05.000I remember seeing Burr, because I had been doing sort of more alt room stuff, and then I remember seeing Burr come to the UCB in New York and seeing him do stand-up and be like, oh, he's doing him.
02:04:17.000And he's doing it in this space where people are not used to seeing just a straight stand-up, and he's fucking killing.
02:04:23.000I remember seeing him earlier and being like, Jesus, this guy is fucking killing.
02:04:27.000And being very impressed, being like, how do I do that?
02:04:31.000And however many years later, I'm still like, how do I do that?
02:04:35.000When you were a kid, was there anyone that really stood out that made you consider stand-up?
02:04:39.000I mean, I remember seeing Delirious, watching Delirious, and then being like...
02:04:42.000The specials that I had around me growing up were Carlin and Carnegie, Delirious, and Robin Williams at the Met.
02:04:52.000Those specials, those were big for me.
02:04:54.000I just remember seeing Delirious and memorizing that whole thing.
02:05:00.000Did you see him at the store a bunch or like around?
02:05:03.000I met him in the craziest way possible.
02:05:05.000I did a set at the improv and afterwards I was taking pictures with people.
02:05:10.000There was like a line of people and I was taking photos and this old guy with his white beard and glasses and a baseball hat came up and he wanted to tell me how funny he thought the show was and I was talking to him for a couple minutes before I realized it was Robin Williams.
02:06:25.000But he, yeah, I mean, I had friends, everyone would see him in, like, he'd come because he'd come to do improv at UCB, and then he would go and do, you know, he was sort of, I don't know if he was doing stand-up at any point, but, you know, I never got to catch, I never got my, like, you know,
02:06:40.000I have a lot of friends who I feel like got a little touch from him, and that feeling of, like, you are, you know, and I mean...
02:06:47.000Because he was a guy who I was like, oh, that's what I, like, you're doing what I, like, you're doing stand-up, but it's characters, and you're doing all the stuff, and you're acting, and you get to be in serious movies, and you get to be in comedy, like, I was sort of like, he was sort of a model of,
02:07:03.000like, I was like, I think I would like to do what he's doing.
02:07:07.000Yeah, he was so flexible in what he was able to do.
02:13:17.000But his crazy is just a different kind of crazy, but it's also a different kind of success.
02:13:22.000Yeah, but I'm like he's a guy who I feel like you would get like like he's like yeah like whatever I need to do like I will I will maximize myself.
02:15:06.000There's a podcast called You Must Remember This, and it's all about old Hollywood, and it somehow circumvents a little bit of L. Ron Hubbard's scene in Pasadena with all these other spiritualists, futurists, and it's Cuckoosville.
02:15:23.000They are cruising on their own fucking agenda, and it's kind of amazing.
02:15:31.000I wish I had more information, but again, my brain doesn't retain this stuff.
02:16:39.000I am weirdly like, I mean, I don't know about it, God bless like dislocating people and disconnecting people from their families, but I am sort of of the feeling like, if you can find something for yourself that brings you some answers and gives you some comfort and motivates you to be the best person you can be,
02:16:58.000I'm like, yeah, do whatever the fuck you want.
02:18:03.000I was going to Catholic school a year later, living in San Francisco next to gay people and living right off of, what's that, Lombard Street, the crookedest street in the world.
02:18:18.000I mean, this was also during the Vietnam War.
02:18:20.000So I went from being in this really sort of repressive East Coast Italian Catholic environment to being around nothing but hippies and gay people.
02:19:16.000It's just slowly unfolding, piece by piece, and over time you're like, oh, right, these dominoes slowly fall, and in that one you're like, I just didn't know that much about Watergate, but I was like,
02:19:53.000Yeah, it's kind of crazy, but it gets into some of the early stuff of Watergate and after Watergate and all the like, sort of the beginning of what I think became legitimizing in different versions of conspiracy theories, of like, what's really going on here,
02:21:43.000But it's like, if it's on the other side, it's like, well, there's a moral framework there that you're like, fuck, if we're going to say that that's the deal, then we have to follow through that that's the deal.
02:21:54.000Yeah, this guy who's running, he was the, this would be great for two causes.
02:21:57.000He's proposing a three-round mixed martial arts fight with Donald Trump Jr. for charity, no joke, and Michael Avenatti said, this would be for two great causes I'm in.