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00:00:44.000And it's going to be about how, talking to women about how to raise functional sons.
00:00:50.000This is needed in America, and I'm going to step up and do it.
00:00:54.000Because all these tales, with all the news and such, it's obvious to me, these women have not raised their sons correctly, and I'm going to correct them.
00:01:05.000Because I'm tired of them yapping and fucking bitching and moaning.
00:08:26.000But if someone has a mental health issue and they do something erratic or they say something that's inappropriate and then they apologize for it.
00:09:28.000It's like a very small percentage, but it was something like 25,000 years ago they left North Africa, which is kind of Syria, and they went to Lithuania and Russia and some Europe.
00:09:46.000Did you do like 23andMe or something like that?
00:10:38.000What people distorted what you actually said?
00:10:40.000Yeah, first it was racist Roseanne, and then a couple weeks later it was disgraced comic Roseanne and her racist tweet, and then after that it was disgraced comic and her offensive racist tweet.
00:10:55.000Because there's all these hoops you've got to jump through, you know?
00:12:43.000I'd always test other people, see what they were thinking.
00:12:46.000Like, even as a kid, I'd be like, you know, but I try to fit in.
00:12:50.000They go, let's play Barbies, you know, and I'm like...
00:12:53.000I'm like, okay, well, but let's have Barbie be a resistance fighter that paratroops into the hidden lines of the German thing and save all the Jews.
00:13:05.000And they'd go, you have to be her cousin Skipper!
00:13:09.000And then they'd hand me the Skipper doll.
00:13:12.000I always had to personify Skipper and they got to be Barbie.
00:13:15.000I didn't even know Barbie had a cousin.
00:13:17.000Yeah, Skipper, she has little tiny tits.
00:16:56.000And so they describe how he was hitting on the stewardesses and trying to start fights with men in the cabin and threw up all over himself.
00:20:20.000A hundredth monkey effect is a hypothetical phenomenon in which a new behavior idea is claimed to spread rapidly by unexplained means from one group to all related groups once a critical number of members of one group exhibit a new behavior or acknowledge the new idea.
00:24:04.000Slow down, where they weren't just coming after you constantly.
00:24:07.000I told you that news crews, when they found out that you were going to come on the podcast the first time, they were trying to show up at my house.
00:24:14.000They were trying to show up at the studio.
00:24:15.000They were trying to find me at the comedy store.
00:24:17.000I mean, they were just trying to hunt down anything about you.
00:24:53.000And I, you know, always slept with my computer and tweet.
00:24:56.000When I wake up, like, you know, when you're old, you have to go to the bathroom a lot, so I always tweet and fall back to sleep.
00:25:01.000See, and then on the Ambien tweets, my daughter, I used to always, when I took my Ambien, I called my daughter, or she called me, she'd go, Mom, you're starting to do the Ambien tweets.
00:27:38.000But, you know, you read all that stuff about traumatic head injuries now, because I do read a lot and talk to a lot of football players who have the same thing, and we do discuss it.
00:28:30.000And anyway, I was crossing the street, and it was the top of a hill, and this woman, girl, she was on her way to the university, and the sun blinded her, and she ran me over.
00:29:17.000Skin grafts on my legs and Yeah, I was in there for a while.
00:29:27.000Then I came out of there and I had forgotten everything about math when I returned to school, which was a matter of weeks after that, maybe two months.
00:30:23.000But my head injuries, you know, they were just more accumulative when I was young until I was about 21, 22, when I stopped fighting, stopped sparring.
00:40:07.000But anyway, I went on anti-psychotic medicine, and that was good that I was on there for the shit I saw, including my friends hanging and stuff like that.
00:40:18.000You saw your friends hanging in the mental institution?
00:40:52.000I think I was throwing them off because I wanted them to think I was psychotic.
00:40:55.000I didn't want them to think I was schizophrenic.
00:40:58.000I knew enough not to let them near me.
00:41:01.000Because once you got the diagnosis of schizophrenic, they would do shocks and they'd experiment on you, basically.
00:41:10.000You were in a guinea pig and I didn't want that.
00:41:12.000So maybe I... You know, and then, you know, so yeah, I was doing weird things, like walking down the middle of streets after I got hit by the car.
00:43:13.000I don't think people looked past the surface.
00:43:15.000I think they looked at you as a rich white lady who said something that they considered to be racist and they decided they were going to attack you.
00:43:22.000And then the perception, the optics of this was the reason why ABC canceled the show.
00:46:35.000Well, they thought that since I supported President Trump, that I was a racist and a scumbag and anti-everything, just because I voted for him.
00:47:32.000But, you know, I just want a government that works for the American people.
00:47:37.000I pay taxes and I expect something for my taxes.
00:47:41.000And, you know, here's news to all of them out there, including POTUS. I think at some time the American people need to audit what happened to their tax monies, and I think we should all have a say in what this country does with our hard-earned dollars.
00:47:57.000And don't just assume you speak for us, because obviously you don't, or we wouldn't have a trade deficit of $20 trillion.
00:48:08.000S-T-F-U. And let the American people handle what they should handle in this country.
00:49:02.000Because I said, well, you know, it was working class people that elected Trump, so I really can't, I can't let you say that to me, because it's not true.
00:49:12.000You know, they already had in their head what it means.
00:49:15.000And of course they are wrong, like they're wrong about, you know, this being about, you know, that Kavanaugh being about abortion rights.
00:52:20.000I think it was always that way since, you know, I came in and said, I said, somebody on the show has to be a Trump supporter and none of them would do it.
00:53:06.000I thought it would be, you know, I'd get some lines in there from the other side once in a while.
00:53:11.000You know, I let them say all they want to say.
00:53:14.000I never told them, don't say that about him, don't this and that.
00:53:18.000Like the day of the filming, you know, I'd been saying, you know, I let my writers do their writing, you know, but I lay out all the stories or approve them, you know.
00:53:31.000And so it was that first show and I'm waiting for a line about Hillary.
00:53:39.000I go, I let you have seven Trump jokes in this show and you can't even one fucking Hillary joke?
00:55:13.000Well, especially when they found out, when Donna Brazile's book came out, they found out what they had done to Bernie during the primaries.
00:56:50.000It's one of the reasons why, when he was campaigning, he had so much animosity towards them and towards the system that he was a part of for so long.
00:57:10.000You know, they give money to both parties.
00:57:13.000You know, in Hollywood, they don't just give it to the Democrat Party.
00:57:16.000They give the Republican Party too, but they stay silent about that.
00:57:20.000It's kind of smart to cover your bets, you know, which government contract you're going to be able to dip into.
00:57:27.000And isn't that like what Hollywood's really all about?
00:57:30.000Well, there's so many levels to it, right?
00:57:32.000I mean, there's the blatant tribalism of right versus left, where people pick a side, and they adopt a predetermined pattern of behavior, and they adopt a conglomeration of ideas and opinions.
00:57:59.000I always say, and people call me a whatever they call me, but I have optimism, and I've said for a long time, when the right people are at the controls of all the machinery and technology, that will be so great for humanity.
00:58:16.000We have it right within our grasp to make sure that this is a good place for all kids.
00:58:23.000So I think we should start thinking about that and all this artificial intelligence that gets us fighting with each other.
00:58:30.000Let's just step out of it like the matrix, you know?
00:58:33.000Let's go to a new place where we're about solutions and working together and bringing this country together and getting some real good jobs, real good health care, things that we pay taxes for, better streets, good education, the things we pay taxes for.
01:00:46.000That was the most painful part of the whole thing.
01:00:49.000Well, one of the things that I read was that you hadn't considered the more than 100 people that work on the show when you did what you did.
01:00:56.000And I'm like, that's a ridiculous statement.
01:01:38.000I mean, if it were my friend, definitely I would have, of years, of two decades or more, I would have said something, but that's just me.
01:01:47.000And I definitely, one thing I would never have done is stabbed somebody in the rush to condemn somebody who, you know, was my biggest advocate.
01:02:48.000I crossed time zones to do promotion for free for months.
01:02:53.000And, you know, during that time, when you're old and you can't sleep and you're crossing time zones, going from Hawaii to New York and back and then back again and back again, you know...
01:03:08.000You know, I kind of became dependent on Ambien and I, you know, almost every night took it.
01:03:14.000And, you know, obviously something was wrong because I didn't think, I thought that Tweet was about a science fiction movie,
01:03:30.000which happens to be my favorite movie, and which I think is very apt in the world today, particularly in Iran, where just a small group of corrupt leaders are oppressing the citizens.
01:03:49.000And I think there's a lot of references in that movie that Go along with what's happening in Iran, of the human beings rising up to overthrow their overlords.
01:04:06.000And that's how I was looking at the whole thing.
01:04:08.000So when I woke up to tweet there, that was what was in my head.
01:04:11.000It was certainly not somebody's looks.
01:04:13.000And it was also about the Arab Spring in Egypt, which, you know, Obama, he didn't handle it right.
01:04:27.000And so all those things are interrelated with Iran and the Iran deal, the Iran nuclear deal.
01:05:27.000And not, you know, I apologize that they were wrong and they misheard it.
01:05:32.000I misunderstood it, but that wasn't good enough either.
01:05:34.000And, you know, just get to a point where I go, I'm letting go of it.
01:05:38.000My fans who know me and my family and people who like me and know me for my life, they know who I am and that's all that matters.
01:05:47.000You know, they can call me whatever they want.
01:05:49.000I don't accept their definition of that word.
01:05:51.000And I think that they should read more.
01:05:55.000Well, one of the things that's most shocking about this outrage culture that we live in right now, this age of outrage, is that there's no path to redemption.
01:07:37.000You think there's some sort of a grand plan to get people to argue with each other?
01:07:41.000Yeah, I think it's a social experiment to turn one group against another, which, you know, it's smart because it's divide and conquer.
01:07:49.000And as long as we're like, you know, it's all these people getting robbed, all these taxpayers getting robbed, sitting there pointing to other taxpayers that are getting robbed and blaming them.
01:08:00.000But everybody needs to look upward of our government ask for an audit of our taxes and actually take responsibility for the things our country does.
01:09:49.000And, you know, it makes me angry or sad is more that the work of an artist over 30 years, they think that we just pull that out of their ass and that they can copy it, you know.
01:10:35.000Because I felt like I would be a huge hypocrite to have talked 30 years or more in my life about labor rights and the rights of working people if I took away those 200 people's jobs.
01:10:52.000I know how they had planned on another season and they probably had already spent the money.
01:10:58.000Was there any consideration of redemption?
01:11:00.000Was there any path where they could allow you to apologize or do something that would endear yourself to the people where they would accept your apology?
01:11:09.000I said, let me go on all your ABC shows and explain my tweet and how it was a political and not a racial tweet.
01:14:08.000Well, I went there because my son Buck, I made him go to the school out there.
01:14:13.000So then I bought a place right by the school because this kid, you know, he's 23 now so he probably won't get mad, but he had some severe ADHD there.
01:14:26.000So I had to do what I did to get him Now he just graduated from college.
01:16:09.000And so I was down in the basement and that's where I always used to go when I was like 13. And I found this stuff and chalk on the walls of the basement there that I remembered right when I was 13. Wow.
01:16:22.000And then I found an old butt from when I snuck cigs when I was 13. Did you try to smoke it?
01:17:17.000There's the social media outrage and then there's the people in real life that feel terrible for you because they feel like you got a raw deal.
01:17:24.000Yeah, they think that there are so many double standards of people who said things on the air.
01:17:31.000Remember, I just said it to a small population, less than 600,000 people on Twitter.
01:17:38.000But these people say things on the air, and they are not.
01:17:41.000Well, I know Joy had to call Pence and apologize, so...
01:17:45.000Yeah, what did Joey Behar say about Pence that was so bad?
01:18:46.000But it's just crazy that this, what I think is an insignificant mistake, especially in light of your apology, could lead to no redemption possible.
01:19:37.000What if I take Ambien and accidentally say something crazy and don't even remember saying it, and then it's misconstrued or it comes out wrong?
01:20:07.000There's not a one of them who didn't do something horrendous at age 17. Well, we were just talking about that with Andrew Santino who was in here earlier.
01:20:16.000Yeah, when young men, especially young men that don't get a birds and the bees speech and who knows what the fuck is going on in their home, you know, people do stupid shit.
01:20:25.000My son that went to college, Buck, he says he learned the day he started college they gave out this pamphlet on sexual assault to all the boys.
01:20:34.000I guess they gave it to the girls too.
01:20:36.000But he said he read it and he realized it was any kind of sexuality at all.
01:20:43.000And I told both my sons, if you're going to have sex with somebody, you make them sign a consent form and take it to their lawyer and get it properly notarized and then make a date for after that happens.
01:22:15.000I mean, as a rabid pot user, I love it.
01:22:20.000I think marijuana makes you a more sensitive, aware person.
01:22:25.000It definitely makes you paranoid, but I think that paranoia allows you to understand All the danger in the world that you're probably ignoring.
01:22:33.000Yeah, like I was with Marge, you know.
01:22:37.000Once I started smoking pot, then I got real paranoid of people, and that was a good thing.
01:29:35.000I would have done that if I wasn't a comic genius.
01:29:38.000I think the real problem with that though is that the more you study that shit, the more you live in that world, the less happiness you're gonna find.
01:30:31.000And if you're around that all the time, I just think your appreciation for...
01:30:34.000It's one thing to know that it exists and it's a reality, but it's another thing to let that enter into your view of the world and have it in there as a standard kind of behavior.
01:30:46.000I guess it's wrong to do that, but nothing else interests me.
01:34:28.000I was getting way out there in Salt Lake City, Utah, anyway.
01:34:33.000I did do stand-up all through Canada, and then I ended up in New York doing promo for Roseanne.
01:34:40.000And, you know, I just got too run down.
01:34:42.000I didn't watch myself and do what I should have done for my physical health.
01:34:47.000Well, this time around, let's get you sorted out.
01:34:50.000Let's get you on some vitamins and get you a nutritionist and get somebody who's going to do some blood work on you and make sure everything's okay.
01:35:37.000I told the network, I said, obviously I'm not behaving in the right way and I will check myself in and get my meds checked and make sure I'm, you know, so I said I have mental health issues and You know, I said also I thought that woman was white and it wasn't anything about race.
01:37:02.000You know, or ethnically offensive to somebody, but that doesn't mean we're the KKK, okay?
01:37:08.000That doesn't mean we're, you know, fascists or, you know, and especially if we apologize, because most people who are offensive, they mean to be offensive and they don't apologize.
01:37:20.000And I think that's when you know there's a difference.
01:37:22.000And if you don't have the discretion to understand that, something's wrong with you.
01:37:27.000And I think something's wrong with people that they're so hateful and so unforgiving.
01:37:33.000And if you don't vote the way they think you should vote, that they feel justified in being so, what's the word, so sanctimonious and self-righteous.
01:37:45.000And when they themselves are You know, kind of saying far more offensive things about people's children and such, for instance.
01:37:56.000And I think when things like this happen, they want to separate themselves from controversy and make sure that they're not a part of the people that are being attacked.
01:41:18.000And you call them a racist or chastise them in front of the world so that you remove any possible Any possible negative opinions that could be cast your way.
01:43:04.000It doesn't ever just stop at one person.
01:43:06.000That's why I said, I'm surprised that a lot more comics didn't defend me because, you know, this means that anything they find in your timeline that they think is offensive, they can mischaracterize and bring a whole battle against you that you can't possibly win and take your life's work.
01:44:29.000See, I didn't have anything to win or lose.
01:44:30.000So when I looked at it, I looked at you as someone that I admire, someone that I think is one of the best comics ever, who I think, I know that you have mental health issues.
01:44:38.000I knew from talking to you that you were on Ambien, and I knew you had alcohol as well.
01:46:53.000They do all day long, and they have mental health issues, they're exhausted, they're depressed, they have despair, they're overwhelmed with bills, they're in shitty relationships.
01:50:39.000But you see how when people look at your situation and they think it's racist, that is also how you look at their reacting to what they think is racist and you thinking that they're saying kill all the Jews.
01:50:52.000Well, they're saying, like, you know, Iran every day threatens the Jewish people in Israel with annihilation, and they've already survived, you know, not too long ago an annihilation.
01:51:05.000And then we make a deal with that government.
01:52:05.000So, you know, that's the truth that many of us think.
01:52:12.000And, you know, people don't understand it or they don't, you know, care to even consider it.
01:52:18.000Well, they don't have to, but I'm still going to say it because that's the reality.
01:52:25.000It's the reality to hear that, and to hear that the United States went and gave them billions of our tax dollars when they're the number one supporter of terror in the world.
01:52:35.000It is, and they always do kill Jews, like in Paris and wherever else they go.
01:54:18.000It's not really smiled on to go against the people who Control our media and say, especially social media, and say that you're pro-Israel or that you think...
01:54:39.000You don't think that the media will allow you to be pro-Israel?
01:54:43.000I mean, that seems like a really common thing.
01:54:44.000Not on social media, for the most part, no.
01:55:35.000It's scary times when, you know, like on our college campuses today, I know this because my son was on one, and, you know, it's a far-left, there are far-left professors that espouse that kind of stuff daily in all of our colleges,
01:55:50.000and it does find its way to the media.
01:55:53.000You look at the media that most, what are they called, millennials consume, and it's heavily to the left.
01:56:21.000I shouldn't say all, but that so many are, because that's a way to shut down discussion, too.
01:56:26.000There's quite a few conservative voices on Twitter, but some are when they think they're inflammatory or they think they're espousing hate.
01:57:36.000And so my friend said maybe he's a double agent, which I don't think he is.
01:57:41.000I think this is one of the things that happens when you give people that much suppression and you try to indoctrinate people into thinking a certain way, there's going to be people that resist it, a large amount.
01:57:56.000It seems larger and larger, but freedom of thought is the basis of this country.
01:58:00.000It's not freedom of speech or freedom of religion or freedom of the Second Amendment.
01:58:07.000Those are symptoms of freedom of thought.
01:58:11.000And it isn't good to consume endless propaganda and never have it broken down or debated or pointed out that it's false.
01:58:23.000There is an issue when you're only getting one side of the argument and the people that are controlling the media only want that one side expressed.
01:59:28.000It's not coordinated in terms of the government.
01:59:31.000I think what's happening in the universities is you've got people that are, first of all, they're existing in this bizarre glass-walled garden where they go to universities, they get indoctrinated into these left-wing cultures,
01:59:46.000and then they start teaching at universities, and they never get out into the real world.
01:59:49.000And then they teach children these thoughts and ideas.
01:59:52.000And then most of the kids leave, and they take these ideas somewhere else, and then slowly over time they become more moderate.
02:00:31.000And as soon as you suppress that kind of expression, then you run into real problems.
02:00:36.000That's absolutely right and that's what I wanted on my show is that I would show that there was a Trump lover and a Trump hater in the same house and they managed to deal with it and get on with their life.
02:00:48.000That's a great premise for a show and it was one of the reasons why I think people loved it so much is because there was that conflict.
02:00:55.000And because, look, people can love a lovable curmudgeon.
02:00:58.000People can love someone who has ideas that they disagree with.
02:01:02.000People can love someone who lives with someone who has a completely opposing opinion.
02:01:07.000They figure it out and they get along.
02:01:23.000I don't think they were happy from the beginning.
02:01:25.000I don't think they really wanted me to come back.
02:01:27.000I think there's a certain amount of that when they found out that you're a Trump supporter, and then the show became successful, and Donald Trump loved it, and then Trump supporters loved it.
02:01:36.000Well, also they thought I was a troublemaker and a big mouth.
02:03:07.000You could do this on your time, whenever you want to do it, without anybody telling you what to say or what not to say, without any executives, without anybody to fire you.
02:03:17.000Well, won't they de-YouTube you or something?
02:03:19.000I mean, they'd kick you off everything.
02:03:22.000They could, but I don't think they would.
02:03:24.000And on top of that, you could do it off your own website.
02:03:58.000I think people are going to come out in droves, and I think it's going to be awesome.
02:04:01.000And I think once you get your legs under you and you start doing a few shows and get things cracking again, you'll be like the Roseanne of old.
02:04:36.000I have a really diverse crowd too, which is great.
02:04:38.000Well, I bet it'll be even more diverse now.
02:04:40.000Well, it's going to be way better, I think, because I'm going to really start talking about the real me, such as my abhorrence and fear of serpents.
02:08:58.000Yeah, and I told my kids, here's what I told my kids, this is the hardest thing I'll ever tell you, but, and I didn't know, so I couldn't help it at the time, but I recently found out that your dad is reptilian.
02:09:58.000My friend Duncan, this was like 15 years ago, my friend Duncan used to have this puppet called Little Hobo.
02:10:05.000And he would do this hilarious bit at the end of his comedy show where Little Hobo was his grandfather's puppet and his grandfather died and his grandfather's last wish was that he bring Little Hobo on stage with him one more time And the puppet would come to life.