In this episode, we talk about how we met, how we grew up, and how we became friends. We also talk about the new movie, "The Momentum Generation" directed by Robert Redford and starring the late Kobe Bryant. And of course, we have a special guest on the show, our good friend and long-time good friend, Joe Pesci. We talk about his life growing up in the late 80s and early 90s, how he became a professional surfer, and what it was like growing up on the road with no chaperones on tour around the world. We also discuss what it's like to grow up in a broken family and how it shaped who he is today, and why he's so damn good at what he does. If you're interested in the movie, it's available on Amazon Prime and Vimeo worldwide. Click here to see if you can get a copy of the film and watch it here. Thanks for listening and share it with a friend or family member! Timestamps: 3:00 - How we met 4:30 - Who was the most radical kid in high school? 6:00 7:00 -- How we became best friends 8:30 -- What was it like to be part of a group of friends? 9:20 - How did we grow up together? 11:30 12:15 - What is it like being part of the "momentrepreneurship generation" 13:15 -- How did you grow up with your friends and family? 14: How do you feel about living in the moment? 15: What does it feel like? 16:40 -- What would you do for a normal life? 17:20 -- How does it mean to be an alien? 18:40 - What are you going to do in a random setting? 19:20 21:40 22:10 -- What do you want to do for the rest of your life in the next 5 years? 26:00 | How does your life mean to you? 27:10 - How do I m going to be a normal person? 29:10 | What do I can I do for me? 30:30 | How I m not a regular person in a crazy way? 32:40 | How can I be normal? 33:30 // 35:00 // 36:00 & 37:20 | What s your biggest takeaway from this movie?
00:00:16.000I was just saying, I don't care what the price is, it's worth it.
00:00:19.000It's a bargain at twice the price or whatever it is.
00:00:22.000Yeah, for people who don't know what it is, it's this game that simulates bow hunting.
00:00:27.000So what it is is a giant screen that's made out of Kevlar, and then it's got...
00:00:34.000Like a projector projects HD images of elk and deer.
00:00:39.000You can set it up for a bunch of different animals, but elk and deer walk across the screen and you shoot at them and it's like the perfect...
00:00:46.000We showed a little video of Shane doing it earlier.
00:00:50.000It's a perfect practice for bowhunting because one of the things about bowhunting is you get nervous.
00:00:57.000And the more you could do something like this where you just shot a perfect shot, the more you could do that over and over and over again, the more it becomes ingrained in your nervous system, ingrained in your muscles, ingrained in your memory.
00:01:38.000It's a story about my friends and I. We all grew up competitive surfers and in high school we all sort of met each other through competitions, competing.
00:01:47.000So this tells a story Of how we met, how we grew up, and how we became friends and family basically traveling around the world together as basically little kids with no chaperones on tour around the world.
00:02:32.000I've been putting my surfboards in a board bag and walking out the door with my passport since I was 12 and going to so many different destinations around the world literally just for surfing.
00:02:46.000And that's the cool thing about the film is all of us had that in common.
00:02:50.000And it's crazy the way the story's set up too because there's so many things in it that I didn't really realize were happening at the time.
00:02:57.000Like I came from a broken family, alcoholic father, you know, kind of a radical situation at home.
00:03:06.000And then like a lot of us had like broken families.
00:03:30.000And then when things got really serious, with the surfing competition, there was a lot on the line with sponsors and money and big brands coming in.
00:03:38.000The shit hit the fan, and then we started breaking up.
00:03:43.000It was almost like a band who just couldn't stand each other anymore, or things got too radical, or girls got in the way, or money got in the way.
00:03:50.000So there was this kind of breaking up element throughout our group.
00:04:58.000And, you know, the waves don't get big that often.
00:05:00.000But when the waves are biggest, I'm on it.
00:05:03.000For a person that is just meeting you for the first time and doesn't understand surfing and is trying to wrap their head around making a living riding the waves of the ocean.
00:05:21.000And I don't have, there's not like a, there's nothing, I mean, there's not like another category I can really point to to make the point go quicker.
00:05:30.000There's not like, you know, it's like there's basketball players and football players and all of them are like scoring goals and getting these brand endorsements from that, from competition elements.
00:06:25.000And so there's incredible footage of him when he's, you know, nine years old or ten years old and he's in Florida like a little rat, like a little sunburned rat.
00:06:34.000And it's neat, you know, I mean, we all had that in common.
00:06:37.000We all grew up in different places and then we all fell in love with surfing, you know, separately and then we all just became super tight.
00:07:10.000And you think serving, how much pressure could there be?
00:07:12.000But, you know, we're all trying to make a living, right?
00:07:14.000It's like, you know, that was our dream to, like, surf as much as possible and see the world.
00:07:18.000And that's the only way you could do it for us.
00:07:20.000Whenever there's competition, there's got to be massive amounts of pressure.
00:07:24.000Whenever there's someone trying to achieve something or someone trying to rise to the top of a profession and you're surrounded by a bunch...
00:07:31.000But you also must have pushed each other, too.
00:07:33.000And it must have been beneficial to have people like you around as well.
00:07:49.000I think we feel like we have something to prove.
00:07:51.000You know, like where we stand compared to the other guys.
00:07:54.000Whether it was like in the caveman days or like the first hunters where it was like, for sure they were competitive to see who could bring home meat for the tribe.
00:08:04.000And then it just kept going from there.
00:08:07.000And now we compete with whatever we're into.
00:08:10.000You know, for us with surfing, we became hyper-competitive.
00:08:14.000And especially me, like from the time I was like maybe 16 or 17 until the time I was like my mid-20s, I was like super competitive where I want to rip people's heads off in my heat.
00:08:24.000Like I would like visualize horrible, horrible things happening to them while I was competing against them.
00:09:02.000We were from the young, like new school generation.
00:09:04.000We were coming up and there's these established guys who didn't want to, you know, like be dethroned.
00:09:09.000And there was this guy, Damien Hardman, who was a badass competitive surfer, but he was a very like tactician, conservative, you never fall.
00:09:19.000He seemed like a nerd to me, you know what I mean?
00:09:20.000I was like this raw kid from Hawaii and this guy was like so presentable and professional and I just like resented it and I was in a heat with him and he got priority which means that he had first right of wave and I just needed a tiny little score to win and he basically sat on me which means he used his priority to chase me around the lineup and sit on me and keep me from getting a wave and let the time run out.
00:10:57.000If you're fighting at your best, you have to be in this sort of flow state, this sort of zen, not thinking about anything but what's happening and reacting and just going on your training and your instincts.
00:11:07.000And if you can get a guy to be angry and emotional, it will...
00:11:12.000Severely impair, for most fighters, severely impair your ability to perform.
00:11:17.000Most fighters, they lose, they get tense, they tighten up, they look to wind up instead of just letting things flow.
00:11:23.000We're talking about this guy, Stylebender, who fought this weekend.
00:12:53.000And there must be inflection points where you instantly know that one guy is going to lose.
00:12:57.000Like something happens with their psyche or something happens with their, you can see it in their eyes, you can see it in their body language, all of a sudden they lose that edge, that mindset, and they basically have already lost, even though it's like right in the middle of the round.
00:15:25.000But, I mean, surf competition is cool, but surfing is just as a lifestyle, as, like, a way to, like, stay sane and have peace in your life and meet friends.
00:15:44.000The surfing to me is tied to only happiness and only surfing with my son and his friends and surfing with my daughter and going to the beach and traveling to get epic waves.
00:15:57.000It's not about pressure and points and a world title and sponsors putting pressure on me and me putting pressure on myself.
00:16:06.000Basically, the pressure part of surfing is gone, which is amazing.
00:16:13.000I still put pressure on myself to surf at a high level and perform at a high level to myself.
00:16:20.000And be able to have an A-game still, for sure.
00:16:43.000They don't want to work out anymore because the working out was so torturous and it felt so much like work that after it's over, whatever love they had for martial arts sort of goes out the window and they start putting on weight.
00:17:30.000And like 35 years old, she found surfing.
00:17:34.000Surfing's a weird thing, but it takes...
00:17:36.000There's not very many things that are really similar to surfing in that way, where you can fall in love with it being five years old or 80 years old.
00:17:45.000Yeah, well, I would think being a yoga teacher, too, like, she's got incredible balance, right?
00:17:50.000Like, having balance would probably really help your ability to pick that up.
00:17:54.000You know what's cool about surfing is it's...
00:18:02.000If I... If I took 100 people and said, all you guys are going to learn how to drive a race car, and you had like a six-week course, just pure race car driving, 100 of those people are going to become really good at driving cars and going super fast and racing,
00:18:17.000and they'll have this really accelerated learning curve and get pretty damn good at it.
00:18:21.000Snowboarding, yoga, like almost anything.
00:18:24.000Surfing, like I know people who have been surfing for three decades, and they suck.
00:19:36.000You got the club, you got the ball, you got the hole.
00:19:37.000But with surfing, you got your board and you got you, but the wave's never the same.
00:19:42.000There's literally never one wave's not the same to any others in the world.
00:19:46.000So every single time, you're adapting to things that are changing in real time, like up to the millisecond, the wave's changing shape as you're riding it.
00:19:54.000So you're never reacting to something that is going to stay put.
00:20:00.000You're anticipating the wave changing shape, and that's what you're going to...
00:20:03.000Like, I'm going to do a bottom turn into a big turn or an aerial maneuver or whatever it is, but you're not reacting to something that's happening now.
00:20:37.000Like if I'm out there surfing and I'm sitting out there and I'm waiting for a wave and you paddle out and I've been waiting for a wave for a long time or some 16-year-old girl is out there surfing and she's been waiting for 15-20 minutes and you paddle out and you paddle right past her and the next wave that comes in and you just turn around and go,
00:21:57.000And I would imagine that from that background, like surfing and that body awareness and the ability to adjust and change, that's one of the things about jujitsu is like every role is different.
00:22:09.000You're rolling with different people, different sized people, and your ability to adjust and change is always changing.
00:22:17.000You have to adapt to that weirdness of the movement.
00:22:19.000So jujitsu and surfing, they totally have their similarities because you're sort of anticipating the guy's next move, which is very similar to surfing and the wave.
00:22:28.000You're reacting to what that guy's going to do in the future, not to what's happening right that very second, right?
00:22:34.000If I was a guy that had been surfing for 30 years and I sucked, and I knew you, I'd be like, hey Shane Dorian, what the fuck am I doing wrong?
00:22:56.000If you're a golfer and your average game is like an 82, and I said, Joe, if you buy this putter for $1,000, your average score will be an 80. You're going to buy that putter because it's the freaking world to you to shave two strokes off your game.
00:23:13.000That's the biggest thing in the world to improve.
00:23:15.000No one gives a shit if they're slightly better at surfing.
00:23:21.000All you care about is waking up at the crack of dawn and having your coffee, cruising down to the beach, seeing the waves and reading the tides and the wind and the...
00:23:29.000And like going surfing with your buddies and having fun.
00:23:31.000And then you go get breakfast and get some breakfast tacos and go to work.
00:24:27.000So when the waves get big and really heavy and technical, you can't go out there unless you have really good ability level.
00:24:34.000Unless you have a high ability level, you really can't perform in really great, great conditions.
00:24:40.000Right, so like when you see the crazy conditions where you guys get towed out and you ride those 80-foot waves, that kind of shit, no one who's goofy is doing that.
00:24:51.000There's some goofy guys doing that because you're using machines to tow you into waves.
00:25:28.000You know what's cool about surfing is in those moments, like, there's very few things in the world other than like, I don't know, I don't know how to relate that.
00:25:36.000But like that moment right there for me was like the pinnacle of like, who I am, what I do best.
00:25:44.000That moment, that wave coming in at that minute in my life where I was in the right square foot of the ocean, when that wave came in, that was one of the best days in history at that surf spot.
00:26:00.000I didn't have any, you know, everything was just lined up and the waves were lined up and the swell was lined up and the wind was lined up and the tide was lined up and I was in the perfect spot when that wave came in.
00:27:01.000That's a real problem with life is that people aren't having enough of those moments.
00:27:04.000And when you're 75 yards away from that elk a few weeks ago and you had an hour to really think about what you're doing and where you were in your life and how you got to 75 yards away from this animal.
00:27:18.000The whole year of practicing on the target and all the millions of arrows you shot and all the preparation and then this thing stands up and time's ticking and that moment's there for the taking and it's so easy to fuck up and it all happens the way that you hope to visualize it.
00:27:36.000Those moments don't happen very often, man.
00:27:40.000That is what a lot of people like yourself or myself are chasing.
00:27:45.000You're always chasing these above average moments, these high level moments, these moments where just everything's elevated.
00:27:55.000Like when you're drawn back on a big elk.
00:27:58.000There's not another thing in your mind.
00:28:00.000There's nothing on your mind other than your shot execution and getting it done and everything's heightened and all this pressure around you.
00:28:59.000You know, I mean sounds like to people who love animals like oh you piece of shit You want to kill an animal and that makes life better?
00:29:05.000It's not that like you're you're I'm eating meat no matter what I feel better when I eat meat.
00:29:11.000I believe it's healthier I've had these discussions with nutritionists and scientists and I just think it's better for you I really do and to for me to get it that way is way better because I'm getting My meat along with this insane hobby that's super difficult to do.
00:29:29.000I mean, I could go out and just shoot a bunch of pigs with a rifle, and I could get my meat that way.
00:29:34.000And it would still be fun, it would still be thrilling, it would still be ethical.
00:32:12.000They have these worm drives that feed these pellets into a heating element, and the heating element, it just gets hot, and then fire, and then a fan blows on the fire to keep the fire going, and it's all computer controlled, so it calculates the exact same temperature, and it maintains that temperature.
00:33:38.000I let it sit, but I don't wrap it up in foil.
00:33:40.000But if you wrap it in aluminum foil and then let it sit inside a cooler, the cooler actually allows it to continue cooking just a little bit.
00:33:48.000Okay, so how many degrees do you take it out before it?
00:33:50.000115. I like to take it out at 115, then I sear the outside of it, and then I seal it up with aluminum foil, and then I put it in the Yeti, and I let it sit in that Yeti for 10 minutes.
00:36:24.000That's a great thing, is it's so easy to screw up hunting those axis deer, especially with a bow, that it's so neat to go and find your arrow, and then five minutes later, you've got a whole other group to stalk.
00:36:43.000And it's not something that some person who was a greedy person said, oh, I'm going to put all these deer on this island and I'm going to go hunt them.
00:36:49.000They were brought there for a gift for King Kamehameha in the 1800s.
00:36:54.000And it doesn't take a wildlife biologist to tell you that the numbers will get out of hand if you don't hunt them.
00:36:59.000Like, when you're there, it's really obvious.
00:37:01.000That's a perfect example of how somewhere needs to be managed.
00:37:06.000And I know those guys on Maui have that project going on where they're hunting deer and then they're giving the meat to poor people, which is the best meat in the world.
00:37:51.000And so he wanted to be able to actually utilize that meat because these big ranches and golf courses and stuff, they actually pay him to come in there and do it.
00:38:01.000And so he actually flipped it and figured out a way to start a meat company.
00:38:05.000So it's like a win-win situation because the deer need to be managed and he's feeding people.
00:38:10.000And then the Kahikinui project is totally different.
00:38:12.000He doesn't have a meat company for that, but he's able to harvest the animals in a really good way, and then he's able to utilize that meat by giving it to families who need it.
00:40:53.000He's like, dude, it's like a different breed.
00:40:54.000But he's also there during the rut, too.
00:40:57.000They must get a little bit more relaxed during the rut.
00:40:59.000And I'm sure they're switched on in Texas, but in Hawaii they're hyper-switched on.
00:41:04.000If anybody ever wanted to understand human biology, like male versus female biology, they should see deer and elk in the rut.
00:41:12.000To see animals in the rut that normally would be super spooky, afraid of everything, jumping at every snap twig, and they're just walking right up to people.
00:41:21.000Like, they don't know what's going on.
00:43:04.000Yeah, but how cool is it how one bull, if he's a badass and a good fighter, he can have, like the first bull that I actually arrowed with my bow, he had a harem of 45 cows.
00:43:22.000And there was like three satellite bulls, but there was one bull, and he had 45 cows with him that he was herding that were his girlfriend's.
00:45:45.000Yeah, like what if someone decides to make a well and they want to dig under their house to make a well and they go through the roof of your tunnel?
00:45:52.000I love that there's humans like him that are thinking on such a massive scale that are trying to fix the biggest problems that humans are facing that have tons of dough.
00:46:03.000Guys like you are out there riding waves and I'm telling dick jokes and this guy's digging holes under the earth.
00:47:04.000And it's got like this crazy smart algorithm that knows when like a hurricane's coming to Hawaii and it'll like power up my battery to 100%.
00:47:12.000Even if I'm not home, even if I'm not watching the Weather Channel, it just does it automatically because it knows it might need to back up my house.
00:49:26.000That does look like, that looks like Beijing.
00:49:28.000You know, and the crazy thing was, you know, like if the wind goes the wrong way, then like Maui, Oahu, it's all voggy, like all throughout Hawaii.
00:49:38.000But it was basically like that whole, the volcano essentially had a crazy eruption for about three and a half months.
00:51:06.000It's not easy to make a living on the Big Island, and so you get these people who all want to go see the eruption, all the lava going into the water.
00:51:15.000If you can look for a photo of the boat near the eruption, there's some images of these boats that were like...
00:51:23.000It looks like they're like 50 feet away from this mega eruption like crazy.
00:51:28.000Really scary stuff, but you don't want to mess with lava, man.
00:51:30.000Yeah, especially when it's spitting things out into the air.
00:52:36.000Yeah, what if it hit someone in the head?
00:52:38.000How about the guy next to you is headless and you're sitting there with your fucking camera out trying to get a selfie for Instagram.
00:52:45.000But the thing is, everybody trips out and like, oh my god, this is unprecedented, this lava, can you believe this lava, this volcano's happening?
00:52:52.000I'm like, fuck, dude, are you kidding me?
00:52:53.000We live on an active volcano, that's where we live.
00:53:46.000The fire was up in Northern California.
00:53:48.000He had some of his books up in Northern California, but he has a place up in the Big Island that there was like 30 different types of psychedelic plants growing on his...
00:54:20.000So he would get all his water from the rain.
00:54:23.000He had these cisterns, I guess they would call them, one of these containers that catch rainwater, and he had everything filtered that way.
00:55:17.000But I mean, for him, he was like a bit of a recluse.
00:55:20.000And he would fly, for six months of the year, he would fly and give these lectures in Austin and San Francisco and all over the world, really.
00:55:28.000And then he would fly back and live on the Big Island and write books.
00:55:55.000It's just too stacked on top of things.
00:55:59.000One thing that I'd seen there that I'd never seen before, they had this rotating machine that you park cars on.
00:56:06.000So say if you parked your car in here, it would lift up like this, and then your car would go up here, and then underneath there would be like 30 cars underneath you.
00:56:46.000I see it, but I recognize it as Japanese, but I have no idea what it says.
00:56:50.000And then the people, they're all like super polite and very orderly, and then everything's electronic, and it's almost like Times Square-like with big...
00:57:11.000Old-school Japan is the opposite of that.
00:57:14.000All of a sudden, they have, like, this full-on, like, forward technology, hyper-futuristic civilization there now.
00:57:21.000Yeah, that's a fascinating thing about Asia, period, right?
00:57:24.000Like Samsung and Korea, they make some of the best electronics in the world.
00:57:28.000Yeah, and you drive just outside the city and there's like rice fields everywhere and people working with those cool hats on and like everyone has no shoes on there and mud.
00:57:37.000Then you drive right to the city and it's just like this giant electronic city.
01:00:17.000Because hunting and surfing, you would think that they're both of the earth and natural, but I would think you would get a little bit of it just because there's a lot of granola crunchy people that get upset.
01:00:26.000There's a lot of like dolphin riders in the surf world that are like, you know, it's peaceful from the earth.
01:02:00.000Instagram page there's actually a video of it where he's in a tree stand he's waiting like he's trying to hunt deer and he's waiting for a deer to walk by and he hears guns go off and then he hears the leaves crack because bullets are whizzing by his head and hitting the leaves literally and there's video of it and he's like what the fuck mate he's fucking wankers yeah he said there's 200 200 gunshots in six hours oh yeah where is he Kansas?
01:03:26.000That black coating, that plastic coating that they put on those trucks, you can take Line-X and cover a watermelon with it and drop it off of a building.
01:03:34.000And it'll bounce when it hits the ground.
01:03:36.000So they take that matte black sort of cover.
01:03:42.000That is Line-X. And so these Line-X covered trucks, they make them and they also make them with Kevlar windows and door panels and bulletproof plates underneath them.
01:03:53.000If you're just a total piece of shit and everybody wants to kill you, you get one of those things.
01:03:58.000Just drive around in a Line-X armored vehicle.
01:04:00.000How much of an idiot do you look like driving that thing around?
01:05:55.000I spent a lot of my life in California, actually, even though I was born and raised on the Big Island.
01:05:59.000And every time I get off the plane, it's so baffling.
01:06:03.000The freaking LAX airport and getting on the freaking shuttle for the rent-a-car and then getting a rent-a-car and getting on the 405 and everyone's going 90?
01:06:45.000I think we were talking about this on the last time I was here, but Hawaii is just a different kind of place where, yeah, you don't pass people just because they're going a little bit...
01:07:42.000They want to buy a big house on the beach and put a big giant wall around it and keep everyone out of the private beach and have like their own little zone and this is my zone and my stuff and my giant house and Trying to own the beach is kind of hilarious.
01:09:54.000They did something like they put up some sort of a barrier, some sort of break in Santa Barbara, and it affected Broad Beach in a crazy way.
01:10:05.000Because one of the good things about Broad Beach, I think they call it Billionaire Beach.
01:10:09.000These people, these crazy fucking houses, they had this long stretch of sand before the water and then the water came way up like to almost to where the houses are now.
01:10:29.000So these people have hired security guards to kick people off, and then people are getting together in these lawsuits against these people that own these houses saying you can't keep us off these beaches.
01:11:10.000I was trying to read through this, and the first case says that the security guard went and got a sheriff, and the sheriff told them that they were going to get a ticket if they didn't get off the beach.
01:11:28.000I mean, the whole thing is just crazy.
01:11:30.000But the thing is, now, today, this stuff is getting out.
01:11:34.000And it's getting out on the internet, and it's getting out in these stories and articles that are on the internet.
01:11:40.000Homeowners have employed several tactics to keep their beachfront properties private.
01:11:45.000A recent example of a case in Malibu involved a property owner charging people $40 to walk on the beach and banning surfing unless the person was a resident or a friend of a resident.
01:12:39.000She said, yeah, she's a commission employee who was asked to do some reconnaissance following a stream of formal complaints.
01:12:45.000At that point, I pulled out the maps that I had and said, you know, this is a public area, Swartz recalled, but the guard disregarded her insistence.
01:12:53.000After telling her she needed to provide legal proof that she had a right to be there, the guard left and returned 20 minutes later with two sheriff's deputies who swiftly advised Swartz that the beach was not for public use.
01:13:05.000Then I got a bit unsettled, she remembers.
01:13:07.000As brave as I like to think I am, I kind of started shaking a little bit, started to get a little nervous.
01:13:20.000I think that happened also near his house.
01:13:23.000Deliberately restricted public access.
01:13:25.000You know, that same thing happened with Mark Zuckerberg on Kauai.
01:13:30.000It's 2013. The Guardian reported how entertainment mogul David Geffen had deliberately restricted public access to the beach near his home on Carbon Beach.
01:13:44.000Yeah, he bought up this beautiful property on the north coast of Kauai.
01:13:47.000It's an incredible, beautiful place with incredible waves and not that many people live there.
01:13:51.000And he bought this insane, like, thousands of acres right there, one of the most beautiful places on earth, and then tried to keep everybody out and, like...
01:13:59.000Completely block all the access and all the Hawaiians, all the local people got extremely angry with him.
01:14:04.000And if he just would have been, I mean, he's going to be a resident, right?
01:14:07.000He would think this little island on Kauai, people have been living there forever.
01:14:11.000You can't just like storm in there, buy all the property up and block everyone out.
01:14:22.000Yeah, it'd probably be 40,000 or something like that, maybe 30,000.
01:14:26.000But, you know, the people on choir are really territorial and protective of where they live, and they live in a really beautiful place.
01:14:35.000A lot of people who aren't from there have lots of money and want to live there.
01:14:39.000And so people inquire hypersensitive to that already.
01:14:43.000So you got like Mark Zuckerberg, you know, probably worth $80 billion or something, come in there and buy out all the land and try and block everyone.
01:16:17.000It's kind of heavy that that movie actually got made.
01:16:18.000You would think that they would have got paid off to not make it.
01:16:20.000Well, it's weird to make a movie about a person.
01:16:23.000Even if they got accurate reports from other people, it's so weird to make a movie about a person who's still alive right now and put words in his mouth.
01:16:32.000A lot of it's speculation, too, no matter what.
01:16:52.000There's always two sides to every story.
01:16:53.000But a movie about you, like if somebody made a movie about you and had you on the beach saying some shit you never really said, you're like, hey...
01:17:02.000You can't have me say those words with an actor's inflection and his decisions to make whatever creative choices he makes with the way he talks.
01:17:11.000And 99% of the people watching that movie aren't having this conversation with people.
01:17:15.000They just automatically think, that's Zuckerberg.
01:18:17.000It's one thing if there's a documentary.
01:18:19.000And in the documentary, they're showing footage where Zuckerberg's doing certain things, saying certain things.
01:18:23.000It's a total different situation if you decide to put words in that guy's mouth and you have fucking Justin Timberlake play him in a movie.
01:20:18.000If I remember correctly, though, this came at a time...
01:20:21.000The guy that wrote the book that this movie was made from wrote Pride and Prejudice and Zombies, where he rewrote Pride and Prejudice, but added a zombie...
01:23:25.000There's a lot of people that are actors that are just weirdos.
01:23:29.000They're just these really strange people that desperately want attention.
01:23:32.000They figured out a way to use their mental illness To navigate the waters of Hollywood in some strange way where they're virtue signaling and behaving exactly the way Hollywood wants them to behave to get themselves into these positions of fame and then they become movie stars and they say a bunch of nonsense.
01:23:51.000You hear them interviewed, you're like, you're not even a person.
01:28:17.000He played a guy who was an IRA guy who got out of jail and then got back into boxing and then there's a bunch of terrorist shit involved in the film.
01:31:33.000It's flatter than most areas for sure, but especially down from Columbus down to the south area where the rivers go, there's Indian mounds and there's all sorts of glacier cutout spaces.
01:31:45.000The Hocking Hills is a very cool spot.
01:31:47.000There's also this Old Man's Cave is a really cool spot too.
01:34:50.000Because if you're sweating and then you have to cool off and then you have to try to heat yourself up and your clothes are wet from your sweat.
01:35:17.000Have you ever seen that re-warming drill that John Barklow from Sitka did where he jumps in a river with wet clothes and shows how to heat your body back up?
01:35:41.000And we talked about survival stuff a bit, like, you know, stuff like that.
01:35:45.000Like, what do you do if you fall in a river and it's cold?
01:35:47.000That guy to me is like one of the, I mean, because he owns the company, he's one of the best representations of what you would want from a guy who owns a big company, who's a CEO of a big company that's involved in hunting.
01:36:57.000Do they have, like, numbers that they have to keep the pigs down to?
01:37:01.000Do they have, like, a point where the pigs reach?
01:37:03.000Because for people who don't know, pigs will have several litters a year, and if they're not, because there's no predators on Hawaii, so if the pigs aren't kept in check by people, they'll get completely out of hand.
01:37:14.000So do they have wildlife biologists who manage the numbers and try to decide, like, what to do?
01:40:47.000But that's the problem with someone like a great...
01:40:53.000Ricky Gervais or Glenn Greenwald, someone like that that has a giant platform that loves animals, and I appreciate that, and that instantly posts something like this, very inflammatory, without looking into it deeper.
01:41:06.000They use their platform and they think to expose something they think is horrific, but they don't understand what's going on behind the scenes of this.
01:41:12.000There's a thing called Judas goats, and what they do is they'll take a goat and they'll neuter that goat and put a GPS tag on it and send it out because goats always flock together.
01:41:22.000And this goat will go near the other goats, and then they fly over with helicopters and gun these goats down.
01:41:29.000And this is just to keep goat populations in check.
01:41:32.000So they kill every goat but the Judas goat, and then the Judas goat will find other goats, and then they fly over again and gun all the goats down.
01:41:40.000And this is done by wildlife biologists.
01:42:37.000It's like the whole thing is just it's so strange.
01:42:39.000It's just so strange that people refuse to look deeper into these things and they immediately have these knee-jerk reactions where they want to complain about it and do so publicly in a way that gets all these people to attack this woman.
01:42:51.000Well the photo of that dead animal That's what initiates that response, that emotional response that a human gets.
01:43:40.000This is the first I've seen someone get attacked at something that's a meat animal.
01:43:44.000Because I've seen people, maybe they don't know it's a meat animal, but I've seen people get attacked for, obviously, for anything like, it's a predator.
01:44:36.000I'm on a text thread with Benny O'Brien and Remy and all you guys, and there was a stat that they were saying yesterday, I don't know if you were on that text, and they were saying that in one of the Midwest states, I don't know which one it was, do you remember?
01:44:49.000In one of the Midwest states, like 850,000 deer died during gun season, and half of them, like 400,000 deer died in the first two days.
01:45:00.000Because we were talking about Adam being in the tree.
01:47:09.000I mean, now that the human population is so established in a lot of these areas, you can't just reintroduce wolves with no plan to keep a lid on it.
01:47:23.000But the problem with the plan is the established numbers that they needed to achieve before they started managing the population, then there was immediate lawsuits by animal rights activists who don't want them to ever hunt wolves.
01:47:35.000So in Montana, they've opened up seasons.
01:47:39.000They've opened up seasons for wolves, and they would like to do the same for grizzly bears in a lot of these areas.
01:47:43.000And there's a lot of pushback on that, too, but it's the same sort of thing.
01:47:46.000The established numbers that they needed to achieve in order to make it a sustainable population, they've been reached.
01:47:52.000And then the wildlife biologists, the ones who are objective about it, are saying, hey, we need to keep these populations in check in order to keep the deer populations healthy and the moose populations healthy because these bears and these wolves, they're just destroying these calves and they just run around and the populations of these animals go way down.
01:48:08.000Now there's also an argument, and a really good one, that you need predators.
01:48:13.000And this good argument is you don't ever want lanai to be recreated in Montana, right?
01:48:18.000Where there's just these deer and just these elk.
01:49:43.000But they do that because they have a vested interest in keeping the population of their game animals alive for a couple reasons.
01:49:51.000And there's criticism about that too, that they maybe kill too many wolves.
01:49:55.000Because they want you to be able to go there and a lot of their tourism dollars comes from people that fly in to hunt moose or fly in to hunt deer.
01:50:03.000And they want to make sure they keep certain populations of them there.
01:50:08.000There's a real problem when you get emotions and you have those emotions tied into this idea of wildlife biology and what an animal is and keeping healthy numbers of these animals in a certain area.
01:50:22.000And that's why when this goat thing happens and everybody freaks out over it, it's like, you should probably educate yourself as to what you're talking about before you start complaining because you're just throwing gasoline on this fire and you don't necessarily understand all the circumstances involved.
01:50:37.000Those goats are gnarly too because they live where I live and they love shorelines and they love ridges and berms and stuff like that.
01:50:47.000They create so much erosion because they love those edges on cliffs and stuff.
01:50:53.000So they ruin all the berms, they ruin all the cliffs and then there's all this runoff, there's all this erosion.
01:51:00.000And they, I mean, they completely decimate all the grass, all the weeds, all the way down.
01:51:05.000They don't, they don't just trim things.
01:51:06.000They're not, they're not selective eaters.
01:51:08.000They'll just chow down all the way to the, to the roots and then eat the roots also.
01:51:11.000So there's nothing holding that dirt in place.
01:52:37.000The fact that people think that they are morally disconnected from the act of killing an animal just because they use a credit card to buy meat is so hilarious.
01:53:11.000Yeah, I make sure that if I cook it, I cook enough so that me and my family eat it and whatever's left over, I know I'll eat in the morning or eat the next day for lunch.
01:53:20.000That's a huge difference is you have so much respect for that meat.
01:53:23.000And for that animal, because all the effort it took, and you watch that thing live in the wild, you have a completely different perspective of that meat than you do if you just, you know, order a hamburger at the restaurant.
01:53:37.000But that, again, that's one of those, I mean, you and I have developed this perspective from years of hunting and being around people who hunt, and we understand it.
01:53:47.000For the average person that's never going to encounter that in their entire life, it's We've developed this very weird society where we've insulated people from all of the ugly realities of eating meat and of wearing leather.
01:54:00.000I mean, we're sitting on leather chairs.
01:54:58.000Well, I think that we have a real problem in this society where so many people, somewhere in the neighborhood of 95 to 97% of the people eat meat, and the number of people that have actually seen an animal die is like, you know, two or three.
01:55:11.000What's the population of people that hunt in North America?
01:56:46.000I was thinking of this, though, like, you know, because I have kids, and my kids eat meat.
01:56:49.000And I feel like, imagine if you made a law that after the age of 16 years old in America, if you wanted to eat another hamburger, you had to kill two animals.
01:57:00.000Like, you go to a place, like whatever it is, like a ranch where they process meat, and there's a cow there, and there's a rifle there.
01:57:07.000And you go, okay, if you want to be a meat eater from now on, from their 16th birthday on, the only way to eat meat in the future is if you've got to do it yourself at least twice.
01:57:16.000You've got to kill a cow, watch it get processed, and then you've got to wait like a month or whatever it is and go back and take another animal's life.
01:57:23.000And then you earn the right to eat meat the rest of your life.
01:57:26.000Imagine how many people wouldn't be able to do that.
01:57:28.000They're happy to eat meat, but there's that disconnection with the actual death part.
01:57:33.000I would have a problem with forcing people to do it, just like I'd have a problem with forcing people to get rid of...
01:57:45.000But I think there's services, like taking your garbage and bringing it to the garbage dump.
01:57:51.000I don't think you should have to go to the garbage dump, go to the landfill and drop your garbage off.
01:57:57.000I'm happy that there's someone that gets paid to pick up the bins and dump the garbage into the garbage truck and then drive it to the bin.
01:59:42.000And there's a lot of people who look down on us for hunting who are, say like you're a vegan who just eats nothing but vegetables and fruit, whatever it is.
01:59:50.000And, you know, they're looking at us like we're crazy for, you know, the impact we have on the animals, killing them, whatever.
01:59:58.000But like a lot of the vegetables that people eat nowadays are grown in places that used to be rainforest.
02:00:03.000Like the Amazon just getting whacked down just to grow corn.
02:00:07.000Stuff like that, you know what I mean?
02:00:08.000I think there's a lot of it is just cattle, right?
02:00:10.000Isn't it Amazon, a lot of the deforestation?
02:00:12.000I think the primary reasons- I think a lot of it's for ethanol, too, though.
02:00:18.000But I think hardwoods, they chopped a lot of it down for hardwoods, and they chopped a lot of it down in order to provide grazing lands for cattle.
02:00:28.000I think in the future, all of the vegetables and stuff are going to be...
02:00:31.000There's a lot of things that are happening out with technology that I think a lot of the vegetables and stuff that we're going to be eating are going to be grown vertically instead of on these massive farms of these huge 100,000-acre ranches full of vegetables.
02:00:47.000It's all going to be grown in smaller spaces, super efficient growing in smaller spaces to feed more people with less space.
02:00:56.000I wonder if they could do that with grain.
02:01:01.000I mean, there's probably some real benefits to that, but I wonder if they could do that with grain.
02:01:05.000We're going to have to do something with our population keeping growing and more people and more demand for food and less space to grow it.
02:01:13.000There's going to be an inflection point where someone else is going to have to do something.
02:01:16.000But I think technology is moving in that place where...
02:01:46.000And, you know, I think that social media is very strange in that regard, too, because people are always looking for people or things to get pissed off at.
02:02:11.000Literally 95% of the population would have cancer.
02:02:14.000There's a few epidemiological studies that have fucked people's heads up because they've corresponded They've related the idea of eating meat to poor health.
02:02:25.000But these people that have eaten meat, they don't just eat meat.
02:02:28.000They've eaten meat along with sugar and alcohol consumption and cigarettes.
02:02:54.000I think it's easy for my body to process that.
02:02:56.000Eating like a prime rib that's like hanging off both sides of your plate like Fred Flintstone, that's difficult, I think, for your body to process that.
02:03:15.000Wasn't Kelly talking about pooping here, like shooting his butt out and all this stuff?
02:03:21.000Yeah, he was talking about when you go on these extreme fasts and then all this weird stuff that comes out of the inside of your gut, it comes out.
02:03:33.000I would try that just to look at that stuff, see what that stuff looks like.
02:03:37.000Yeah, I would try it, but I wouldn't want to look at it.
02:03:41.000You know when you're having a baby and they put up a curtain sometimes and you don't have to see anything?
02:05:55.000She just thought she was being funny and she thought she was making a solid point that she was going to expand upon when she woke up in the morning.
02:06:35.000They kept asking her if she was black and she would just straight up like at first she said yes and then she said like it's not that important and then she was like tanning herself and like putting like all this brown makeup on herself and getting like weaves and doing her nails like how she thought like black people would do their nails like it was super weird and then she ran the NAACP. Yeah.
02:07:10.000Supposedly, like in the documentary, it was saying that she got all this stuff done that they were trying to do for a long time and she was really, really good at doing her job.
02:07:18.000It just sucked that she was actually a white lady who was like acting the whole time.
02:07:22.000Well, what's really fucked is NAACP stands for the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.
02:10:18.000Meanwhile, she's so nuts, like, because Trump was always calling her Pocahontas, and Trump said that if she...
02:10:24.000How wild is it that you can't, if you said the wrong thing on your podcast, people would be up in arms, but for some reason the president could say whatever the hell he wants to say.
02:10:32.000Well, he's making fun of her pretending to be a Native American.
02:10:39.000And he called her Pocahontas and he said if she took a DNA test and showed that she was Native American, he would donate a million dollars to a charity of her choice.
02:10:46.000So she, after this fucking test that basically showed she has the smallest measurable possibility of Native American in her, was requiring him to pay a million dollars.
02:12:24.000There's no good slurs for Italians that work.
02:12:30.000They've successfully integrated into society.
02:12:33.000But when my grandfather used to tell me about, he came over here when he was a boy from Italy, and he would tell me about how bad it was, about how much they were discriminated against.