The Joe Rogan Experience - November 30, 2018


Joe Rogan Experience #1209 - Anthony Cumia


Episode Stats

Length

3 hours and 37 minutes

Words per Minute

178.64662

Word Count

38,808

Sentence Count

4,130

Misogynist Sentences

113


Summary

Joe Rogan is a comedian, podcaster, writer, and podcaster. He started his career as a radio host on SiriusXM in the early 90's, and went on to become one of the most successful radio personalities of all time. Joe also built a studio in his basement to record his radio show, and now runs it with his good friend Anthony Cumia, who is also a podcaster and writer. Joe and Joe talk about how they met, and how they got into radio, and what it's like to be in a marriage with a woman who doesn't have kids, who's not married, and who has a lot of disposable income. They also talk about why it's a good idea to have a man cave in your basement, and why you should have one in your home. Joe Rogan's basement is a place where you can do whatever you want, as long as it's not in your living room or living room. It's a playground for you and your friends to have fun in your own space, and you don't have to be told what to do with your time and money. Joe also talks about how he started his own studio and how he built it in the basement, which he calls his "man cave" and why he thinks it's the perfect place for a guy to have his own man cave. He also explains why he doesn't need a wife to do anything in his living room, because he's not allowed to have sex in his own living room because it's just one room, and he's okay with that. And he also explains how he's fine with having one room in his house. Enjoy this episode and don't forget to share it with your friends and family. If you like it, tweet me and let them know what you think of it! or tell a friend about it. Timestamps: 5:00 - What do you think about it? 6:30 - What would you do in your man cave? 7:00 8:20 - How do you feel about Joe Rogans' basement? 9:15 - How much money does it take? 11:40 - What are you allowed to spend in your house? 12:30 13:15 14:40 15:00 | What is a woman's place in your life? 16:30 | How much do you need to get sex?


Transcript

00:00:00.000 I don't think that would pan out.
00:00:02.000 I had a similar idea.
00:00:07.000 Anthony Cumia.
00:00:08.000 We're live, sir.
00:00:09.000 I love it.
00:00:10.000 Joe Rogan.
00:00:11.000 If it was not for you, this would not exist.
00:00:14.000 Which is insane.
00:00:15.000 That is a 100% actual fact.
00:00:17.000 I was watching you doing live from the compound.
00:00:21.000 Me and Brian Redband were sitting in my fucking living room, and we were watching you.
00:00:25.000 You were fucking playing karaoke.
00:00:27.000 You were singing karaoke with a machine gun in front of a green screen.
00:00:31.000 I was like, this guy just set up his own studio.
00:00:34.000 He already has Opie and Anthony's show.
00:00:37.000 At the time, you guys were on SiriusXM.
00:00:39.000 And you just decided to do this thing in your basement just for a goof.
00:00:43.000 Yeah, it was like a hobby.
00:00:44.000 But it's like, guys who don't have kids, who are not married, don't have kids, don't have anybody telling them what to do, and they also have disposable income.
00:00:52.000 Then you get to see what guys really want to do.
00:00:54.000 They want to sing karaoke with a machine gun in front of a green screen.
00:00:57.000 Yeah, it was crazy gun guy karaoke, so I could do that.
00:01:02.000 If I was married, I would have a wife that would lose her mind at my living room.
00:01:07.000 Like, my living room table that you're supposed to have a candle on and little tchotchkes and stuff is a widescreen computer monitor and a gaming system right next to the table.
00:01:19.000 I have a gaming computer that's just unbelievable.
00:01:22.000 And I sit there and just play video games.
00:01:24.000 So the table itself is a gaming monitor?
00:01:26.000 Yeah, the whole table.
00:01:28.000 Is it one of those touchscreen ones?
00:01:30.000 No, it's a giant wide monitor.
00:01:32.000 It's like 40 inches wide.
00:01:35.000 So that's the table?
00:01:36.000 No, it's on the table.
00:01:37.000 Oh, on the table.
00:01:38.000 Yeah, the table's this big heavy metal thing, but it's just everything.
00:01:41.000 There's VR goggles up on the console by the TV. It's just sensors around the room for the VR. It's a playground, and you're absolutely right.
00:01:51.000 Guys will spend their money on having fun, if allowed to.
00:01:56.000 That's what this place is.
00:01:57.000 This place is insane, Joe.
00:01:58.000 I can't do this in my house.
00:01:59.000 You go to my house, it's my wife's house.
00:02:00.000 See?
00:02:01.000 That's how it works.
00:02:02.000 I have one elk head on the wall.
00:02:03.000 That's all I have.
00:02:04.000 That's all you're allowed.
00:02:06.000 I laugh at guys when they have the man cave.
00:02:08.000 They're like, dude, come on down to the man cave.
00:02:10.000 The chicks aren't allowed down here.
00:02:11.000 I got this, the TV, that.
00:02:13.000 And I'm like, no.
00:02:15.000 Her place is the whole house.
00:02:17.000 She relegated you to one room.
00:02:20.000 And you're happy about it.
00:02:22.000 You're happy that you got one room.
00:02:24.000 Happy wife, happy life.
00:02:25.000 That's apparently it.
00:02:28.000 It didn't work for me.
00:02:30.000 You know the Thoreau quote that I say way too many times in this podcast, but I love the quote?
00:02:34.000 Most men live lives of silent desperation.
00:02:38.000 Yeah.
00:02:38.000 Wow.
00:02:39.000 That is true.
00:02:40.000 It's 100% true.
00:02:42.000 I was married for a time, and it was a nightmare.
00:02:45.000 It was a living hell for me.
00:02:47.000 The only thing that got me through as many years as I was married, because I was married nine years, and I don't remember one happy year out of those nine.
00:02:58.000 But I had gotten into radio pretty early on in that marriage.
00:03:02.000 And that was my life.
00:03:04.000 So I dedicated myself.
00:03:06.000 No matter how miserable anything else in my life was, I was doing radio.
00:03:10.000 So I thought it was awesome.
00:03:12.000 I have a theory about that.
00:03:13.000 I really do.
00:03:14.000 I think that a person needs a certain amount of suffering in their life.
00:03:18.000 And if you look at some of the all-time great comics, or even all-time great radio personalities, like Howard Stern.
00:03:24.000 Yeah.
00:03:25.000 Howard Stern, during his heyday, when he was the fucking man, was miserable at home, right?
00:03:31.000 And he would talk about it.
00:03:32.000 He would hide in his basement.
00:03:34.000 I loved those stories, yeah.
00:03:35.000 And you would realize, like, here's this guy, he's, you know, the biggest radio personality ever!
00:03:40.000 He's huge, and yet he's gotta hide!
00:03:43.000 And he's just talking about masturbating and hiding from his wife and he can't get any sex.
00:03:48.000 And you're like, it didn't matter if he was huge.
00:03:50.000 It didn't matter if he was famous.
00:03:52.000 It didn't matter how rich he was.
00:03:53.000 It didn't matter.
00:03:54.000 He's just hiding in the basement.
00:03:55.000 And that angst came out on the radio.
00:03:58.000 Like, you related to him.
00:03:59.000 You understood it.
00:04:00.000 Yeah, I get that.
00:04:03.000 And it worked for me, because there was a lot of misery.
00:04:07.000 Like, when I started doing really well, we moved back to New York from Boston after we got fired, Opie and myself.
00:04:13.000 You guys got fired for saying that the mayor died?
00:04:16.000 Yeah, it was an April Fool's gag.
00:04:19.000 Because we always thought the radio April Fool's jokes were so stupid and hokey.
00:04:26.000 We changed the format to All Elvis!
00:04:29.000 And it's like, after 10 minutes, they say, April Fools!
00:04:32.000 So we're like, let's just go balls out and say the mayor's dead and have a news guy come on and report it and everything.
00:04:39.000 And then it was supposed to subsequently get more outrageous as the show went on.
00:04:45.000 So by the end of it, there was a Taiwan male hooker in the car with him and they crashed because he was getting a blowjob or something.
00:04:53.000 Like, it was going to get really ridiculous.
00:04:55.000 But they stopped it Early on, and never allowed us to even mention it, so people really thought he died.
00:05:02.000 Although it's kind of stupid, you go to the O&A show for your news.
00:05:06.000 But back then, the internet wasn't what it is now.
00:05:09.000 Exactly, yeah.
00:05:10.000 The internet was barely a thing.
00:05:13.000 It was barely a thing, because that was 97, around there, 98. What year did you get on?
00:05:20.000 You were probably early.
00:05:21.000 I was on...
00:05:23.000 Really early, like the 80s, I was on bulletin board servers and used to play trivia games with a 300-baud modem with people.
00:05:33.000 I thought it was amazing, even then.
00:05:36.000 And then when we were up in Boston, I bought a digital camera that was just this giant thing, and I had a laptop, another giant thing.
00:05:44.000 And I would take pictures of what was going on in the studio and then post them that night on a website that I figured out.
00:05:53.000 Code the HTML myself and make a website just to post pictures and links.
00:05:58.000 And people thought it was amazing.
00:06:00.000 Like, you're seeing what we talked about that day.
00:06:03.000 It wasn't instant, but it was pretty cool.
00:06:06.000 And then I started doing videos.
00:06:07.000 I was able to put video, like, maybe eight-second clips of nude girls, if they were in the studio, and pop that up.
00:06:15.000 And people loved it.
00:06:16.000 And then I got a bill from the company for bandwidth.
00:06:19.000 And I didn't know bandwidth.
00:06:21.000 It was a $12,000 bill for a month.
00:06:25.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:06:26.000 Because there was no compression or anything.
00:06:29.000 I'm pumping video out to thousands of people uncompressed.
00:06:33.000 And apparently...
00:06:36.000 They had that happen a couple of times, so they told me, just don't do it again.
00:06:41.000 They didn't make me pay, which was pretty cool.
00:06:44.000 But at that point, I had to learn about coding and compression and things like that.
00:06:44.000 Wow.
00:06:50.000 So you just kept doing it and just put them in some sort of a compressed format?
00:06:54.000 What did you use?
00:06:54.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:06:56.000 Do you remember back then?
00:06:57.000 I think it was like, for audio, it was real audio, which was hilarious.
00:06:57.000 Oh, God.
00:07:02.000 That's right, the The little player?
00:07:03.000 Yeah, the little player.
00:07:04.000 Real audio player would pop up.
00:07:06.000 And then for video, God, I can't even remember what it was, but it was terrible.
00:07:09.000 It was all pixelated, you know, like 10 frames per minute.
00:07:13.000 Isn't it weird that things like real audio, which was everywhere, they just quit.
00:07:18.000 Yeah, they gave up.
00:07:20.000 Are they around still?
00:07:21.000 Yeah.
00:07:21.000 Unless they changed into something else, you know?
00:07:24.000 Somebody got bought out by somebody.
00:07:26.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:07:26.000 Got eaten up.
00:07:27.000 Yeah, that happens to everything.
00:07:28.000 But honestly, if it was not for you and your show, live from the compound, and for Opie and Anthony...
00:07:34.000 Because Opie and Anthony was the first radio show that I realized, you don't really have to have a format.
00:07:34.000 Hilarious.
00:07:40.000 Yeah.
00:07:41.000 You just talk.
00:07:42.000 Yeah, it was just kind of a talk thing.
00:07:44.000 It was a hang.
00:07:45.000 It was a hang.
00:07:46.000 And a lot of the...
00:07:48.000 We were on the same company.
00:07:49.000 It was the same company as Howard Stern, CBS Radio.
00:07:52.000 Oh, look at that.
00:07:53.000 Real is still here?
00:07:54.000 Wow.
00:07:55.000 It says it makes stories from your videos and photos now, but this is exactly what it is.
00:07:59.000 It's Real.com.
00:08:00.000 It's a Real player.
00:08:00.000 It automatically makes video stories from your best photos.
00:08:05.000 Sorry to cut you off there.
00:08:06.000 Ew.
00:08:08.000 Ew, it's ew now.
00:08:09.000 It's like a kind of montage-y.
00:08:11.000 iPhone does it automatically now.
00:08:12.000 It used to be a good way to watch porn with weird codecs.
00:08:17.000 When porn had a weird codex, you know, like, who compiled this?
00:08:17.000 Codecs, yeah.
00:08:22.000 And then you'd get it, you'd watch it on RealPlayer.
00:08:25.000 Like when you'd get porn from BitTorrent.
00:08:28.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:08:28.000 And sometimes you wouldn't have anything on your computer to play it.
00:08:32.000 Let's say, codec not available.
00:08:34.000 Yeah, exactly.
00:08:35.000 You'd get pissed off because you like the thumbnail.
00:08:37.000 You'd have to go find it.
00:08:37.000 Like, fuck.
00:08:38.000 Yeah.
00:08:39.000 It's like, no, that thumbnail was awesome.
00:08:41.000 I got to see this.
00:08:43.000 I remember the first time I ever got a porn video sent to me.
00:08:46.000 I was like, this is crazy.
00:08:48.000 You can watch a porn video?
00:08:50.000 Before, it was just photos.
00:08:52.000 The photos were insane, because I guess it was around the mid-90s.
00:08:57.000 My brother had picked up an Apple computer.
00:09:01.000 I don't even know what model it was or anything, but it was pretty good for the time.
00:09:05.000 And...
00:09:07.000 I just sat in front of that thing for hours and hours on end, just one porn pic.
00:09:12.000 It was no videos, just pictures.
00:09:14.000 And you know how they used to scroll.
00:09:17.000 Sometimes it was a corrupt file, so halfway down it would just turn white and pixelated and zigzaggy.
00:09:24.000 But just for hours, just one more, one more, one more.
00:09:28.000 And it would go, dick, [...
00:09:31.000 It would slowly emerge, dick, dick, dick, dick, dick.
00:09:34.000 It was very compelling.
00:09:37.000 Yeah, you'd sit there just waiting for the tits.
00:09:39.000 It's like a 3D printer is faster now than it was downloading photos on a 14K modem.
00:09:45.000 It's insane to think of the technology end of it because you got thumb drives with more memory than entire computers had just a few years ago.
00:09:45.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:09:54.000 And I remember, I guess it was Bill Gates or something said, you'll never need anything more powerful than a 486. Yeah.
00:10:02.000 Back years ago, and it's like, what, a couple of megs of memory, and just crazy.
00:10:08.000 The demand for computer power got way out of hand, and especially with games and stuff, because I'm a huge gaming guy.
00:10:16.000 Now, you download a game like Red Dead Redemption 2 or Call of Duty.
00:10:23.000 And it's 75 to 100 gigs.
00:10:27.000 Really?
00:10:27.000 Those games.
00:10:28.000 And it's like, that would have been 100 computers.
00:10:28.000 Yeah.
00:10:32.000 And to think of those floppy disks you used to get games on, it would have been a pallet stacked up like six feet high of those disks to load it on a computer.
00:10:42.000 Yeah, like the old Doom game.
00:10:43.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:10:44.000 Load that with a floppy disk.
00:10:46.000 Yeah, you just...
00:10:47.000 Make those sounds and hopefully it would work.
00:10:50.000 Yeah, now you just download them.
00:10:51.000 I haven't been to a gaming store in years because with Origin or Steam, you just download the game right offline.
00:11:01.000 So if you want to get Red Redemption 2, you just download it.
00:11:03.000 You just download it.
00:11:04.000 Like, I don't know who goes to GameStop or anything anymore.
00:11:06.000 People still do, though.
00:11:07.000 I mean, there's one in the mall.
00:11:09.000 I've seen people walk in.
00:11:10.000 Yeah, I've seen it.
00:11:11.000 I don't know.
00:11:12.000 Is that Xbox?
00:11:12.000 Maybe for used games.
00:11:13.000 Yeah, Xbox and PlayStation.
00:11:16.000 But at Xbox, you could download, too, right?
00:11:17.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.
00:11:18.000 And PlayStation.
00:11:19.000 All those things.
00:11:20.000 Yeah, you just plug that Cat 6 or whatever it is.
00:11:23.000 I was having a conversation with Jordan Peterson about this yesterday off-air.
00:11:26.000 I was saying, I'm really...
00:11:27.000 I get concerned because I feel like all of our information...
00:11:32.000 Like, the vast majority of it is now digital.
00:11:35.000 I mean, we have some things that are written down on paper, but even paper, it's so easy to break and burn and fuck up.
00:11:42.000 I mean, we lost most of, human beings lost most of the information about Egypt when they burned the Library of Alexandria.
00:11:49.000 Who knows?
00:11:50.000 I mean, there could have been all sorts of schematics and some diagrams, detailed diagrams, how they built some of the things they built.
00:11:56.000 Lost it all.
00:11:57.000 You know, that easily could happen to us, and then we'd be starting from scratch again.
00:12:00.000 Yeah, when it takes some form of electricity to get to all this information, you're really dependent on that there's going to be power, that type of power, forever.
00:12:15.000 And even if we figure out how to reboot electricity, say someday in the future, what if we have a massive coronal mass ejection and it fucking nukes the whole The whole grid and all the satellites go down and we have to start from scratch.
00:12:28.000 So it's a decade, two decades before people start rebuilding computers again that actually work.
00:12:34.000 Well, they're going to have to decipher all this information.
00:12:37.000 They're going to have to figure out those codecs.
00:12:39.000 They're going to have to figure out...
00:12:40.000 Yeah, they're going to get drivers to make all this stuff work and you're going to miss a lot of it.
00:12:45.000 Yeah, all the info is literally ones and zeros and has to be decoded and put back together again.
00:12:51.000 And some important stuff, if it's on a drive somewhere, it could just get nuked.
00:12:55.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:12:56.000 And then gone forever.
00:12:56.000 And it's gone.
00:12:57.000 All the things that people figured out, gone.
00:13:01.000 Don't you wish that would happen at some point?
00:13:05.000 I don't know.
00:13:05.000 I'm so cynical, man.
00:13:07.000 You are lately more so.
00:13:09.000 I think over the course of the past few years, I've just gotten more cynical and I think social media had a big effect on me.
00:13:19.000 Well, you engaged too much.
00:13:20.000 Yes, I did.
00:13:22.000 I'm off social media now.
00:13:24.000 I have been for maybe months at least.
00:13:29.000 Was it a personal choice?
00:13:31.000 Well, Twitter kicked me off quite a few times.
00:13:34.000 What did they kick you off for?
00:13:35.000 Just dumb shit, too.
00:13:37.000 It wasn't even that bad.
00:13:41.000 The last one, I was defending Jimmy Norton.
00:13:44.000 Some girl was just bashing Jimmy.
00:13:48.000 And I was like, look at you.
00:13:50.000 I go, I don't even know what you are, first of all.
00:13:53.000 You're either a masculine girl or a feminine guy, and your hair looks like it was dyed with period blood.
00:14:01.000 And boom!
00:14:03.000 God!
00:14:04.000 They fucking permanently suspended me.
00:14:06.000 That was it.
00:14:07.000 Period blood was...
00:14:08.000 You can't make fun of menstrual cycles.
00:14:10.000 You can't make fun of that.
00:14:11.000 You can't make fun of somebody's looks, if there's sexuality.
00:14:14.000 I kind of called them a femme or a butch, whatever it was.
00:14:19.000 Whichever case.
00:14:20.000 Whichever case.
00:14:22.000 And to this day, I still don't know.
00:14:24.000 Actually.
00:14:26.000 So I get kicked off a lot.
00:14:27.000 I have a Twitter account now, but I have not told anybody what the name is, because I just use it for research for the show.
00:14:35.000 Right.
00:14:36.000 Because Twitter gets the news before the news.
00:14:39.000 Like, that's where everything breaks now on Twitter.
00:14:39.000 Yeah.
00:14:41.000 You know what's interesting to me?
00:14:42.000 Louis Farrakhan's still on Twitter.
00:14:44.000 It's amazing.
00:14:46.000 You ever read some of the shit he says about evil Jews?
00:14:48.000 Crazy anti-Semitic.
00:14:51.000 Yeah.
00:14:51.000 Unbelievable.
00:14:52.000 Unbelievable.
00:14:53.000 And for whatever reason, they're scared to kick him off.
00:14:55.000 Yeah, they won't kick him off.
00:14:56.000 I guess Laura Loomer is a Jewish, kind of independent reporter girl.
00:15:02.000 Slash...
00:15:03.000 Nutcase.
00:15:03.000 Slash nutcase.
00:15:04.000 Whatever.
00:15:04.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:15:05.000 Whatever you want to...
00:15:06.000 She chained herself to Twitter.
00:15:07.000 She chained herself to Twitter yesterday.
00:15:08.000 That's all you need to know.
00:15:09.000 It's hilarious.
00:15:09.000 I just watched it on Periscope as it was going on.
00:15:13.000 And she's got a bullhorn and she's just yelling at Twitter.
00:15:17.000 That's where you lose me.
00:15:18.000 When you got a bullhorn.
00:15:19.000 Yeah.
00:15:21.000 You know, it's funny.
00:15:22.000 It's kind of left-wing tactics she was using.
00:15:25.000 Because conservatives, the right, Republicans, whatever you want to call it, are pretty mellow when it comes to—they don't demonstrate, really.
00:15:33.000 They like to just get in there and do their shit, whatever it is.
00:15:37.000 But liberals really like getting out there and marching and yelling and bullhorns and stuff like that.
00:15:44.000 So it was weird to see that on the other end.
00:15:47.000 But she's just screaming and I guess they unhooked her and arrested ourselves.
00:15:55.000 What did they kick her off of Twitter for?
00:15:58.000 They kicked her off for talking about Islam and talking about how Twitter was celebrating Women's Day, whatever that was on a certain day, by focusing, like the picture was one of those Islamic women that got elected to office up in,
00:16:17.000 what was it, Minnesota or somewhere?
00:16:19.000 Yeah.
00:16:20.000 So she said how hypocritical that was because, you know, Islam is for female genital mutilation and against women's rights and they kill gay people.
00:16:29.000 And that's all she posted.
00:16:30.000 And she got kicked off for hate speech against Islam.
00:16:35.000 And then her argument was Louis Farrakhan is saying, you know, I'm not an anti-Semite, I'm an anti-termite.
00:16:41.000 Equating Jews with insects, which is pretty...
00:16:46.000 1930s Germany kind of a thing.
00:16:49.000 So, you know, while her heart was in the right place, I guess, it did come off a little wacky.
00:16:55.000 She also had a Star of David, a Yellow Star of David on her shirt as she was chained to Twitter, and people got upset with that.
00:17:04.000 I just thought, to tell you the truth, I thought it was a good strategic move because you're going to buy time with that because the police do not want that optic.
00:17:04.000 There she is.
00:17:17.000 We're good to go.
00:17:33.000 Which is odd that she gets kicked off and ends up being the number one trending topic.
00:17:37.000 What's really odd is this is while Manafort may have purged himself, Mueller's going after Trump's deeper ties.
00:17:45.000 Cohen is now saying that Trump was in cahoots with Putin.
00:17:49.000 He was going to give him the $50 million penthouse tower in Moscow.
00:17:53.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:17:53.000 You know, all that, but like, no, no, no.
00:17:55.000 That girl got kicked off Twitter.
00:17:57.000 She got kicked off Twitter.
00:17:58.000 It sounds ridiculous because, like I said, I got kicked off, and I'm a little bummed about it, but it's odd.
00:18:10.000 It's not just a private company anymore that can do what they want.
00:18:15.000 I'm not for government regulation, so I don't know how you fix this, but Twitter is now a thing where the president's on it, We're good to go.
00:18:42.000 Alerts and safety information that...
00:18:43.000 Well, it's clear that it's not everyone doesn't have to follow the same rules.
00:18:47.000 We've already established that with Farrakhan.
00:18:49.000 We've also established that with Trump.
00:18:51.000 Sam Harris has been on a...
00:18:53.000 He was, at least.
00:18:54.000 I think he's abandoned it.
00:18:55.000 But he was on a quest to get Jack to try to hold up his terms of service agreement and kick Trump off of Twitter.
00:19:03.000 He's like, look what he's doing.
00:19:04.000 He's threatening nuclear war.
00:19:06.000 Do you understand?
00:19:06.000 This is the craziest use of Twitter ever.
00:19:09.000 And I think Jack's position was that it's more beneficial to have him on.
00:19:16.000 And it's really, we are getting to see his personality in a way we've never seen any president's personality.
00:19:23.000 I mean, the most ridiculous petty shit that he does, like attacking Michelle Wolfe because of her White House correspondence, calling people losers, making fun of the girl on Joe Scarborough, the girl he married, saying that she had fucked up plastic surgery and she was bleeding.
00:19:23.000 Oh, absolutely.
00:19:42.000 He just makes shit up!
00:19:44.000 I mean, do you think she really, really thinks she showed up on Mar-a-Lago bleeding, fucking plastic surgery?
00:19:49.000 He's a fucking maniac!
00:19:51.000 He really is.
00:19:52.000 But meanwhile, that, it, it, it's good for us to see.
00:19:57.000 Because it educates us to who he is as a real person.
00:20:00.000 A lot of who you are just gets exposed in those tweets.
00:20:03.000 You can't know everything about a person from their Twitter, but you can parse out little chunks where you get a good taste.
00:20:12.000 And for him, it's very, very revealing.
00:20:15.000 Yeah, it is a weird thing.
00:20:17.000 I think this will be looked back on as a very pivotal moment in American history and in politics where that kind of crossroad happened.
00:20:27.000 Because we were pretty satisfied with...
00:20:32.000 That political speech thing.
00:20:35.000 And we need to bring up the lower middle class to the...
00:20:40.000 And they just go on and on and drone on.
00:20:42.000 It's this weird speech that no real human being ever speaks like.
00:20:47.000 Hillary was hilarious.
00:20:48.000 And what we need today is to...
00:20:51.000 It was fake.
00:20:52.000 It comes off as fake and phony.
00:20:54.000 Trump comes rolling in.
00:20:55.000 It's absolutely batshit insane.
00:20:58.000 Like the stuff he says, like you were saying.
00:21:00.000 The other day, he's giving a speech and he said that when he was younger, people said he looked like Elvis.
00:21:07.000 Because he was doing some kind of a commemorative thing for Elvis down in, was it Tennessee or somewhere?
00:21:15.000 And he says he looked like Elvis.
00:21:16.000 And we're laughing our asses off, me and Keith, that...
00:21:19.000 Because no one ever told him he looked like Elvis.
00:21:22.000 No one ever told him that.
00:21:24.000 And there's so many things.
00:21:27.000 And I'm a Trump guy.
00:21:28.000 I voted for the guy because I wanted that monkey wrench thrown into the machine.
00:21:32.000 I felt we had gotten screwed too many decades.
00:21:35.000 And it was time to let Washington know, like, look, we'd rather elect this nut.
00:21:42.000 Than any of you guys.
00:21:44.000 So I think it proved a point.
00:21:47.000 There are enough checks and balances in place where the likes of any one president really isn't going to do that much damage.
00:21:54.000 I think he's pulled the cover off a lot of stuff.
00:21:56.000 I think people are trying to compete with him on Twitter.
00:22:00.000 Politicians are trying to play his game, and it's kind of fun to watch.
00:22:04.000 As a comic entertainer, it's gold.
00:22:07.000 Do you see what Tulsi Gabbard said to him?
00:22:09.000 She's a congresswoman from Hawaii.
00:22:09.000 What?
00:22:12.000 She said, being Saudi Arabia's bitch isn't making America first.
00:22:17.000 Like, that's a congresswoman!
00:22:18.000 See?
00:22:19.000 They're all kind of taking that.
00:22:21.000 They never used to do that.
00:22:23.000 And it's odd that a 70-year-old guy was the one that was bringing Twitter to social media into this forum.
00:22:33.000 It is odd.
00:22:33.000 And yeah, you would think it would be some young guy to get in there and do it, but They would never do it the way he's doing it.
00:22:39.000 No, that's just it.
00:22:40.000 Because he's doing it like a reckless maniac.
00:22:41.000 And that's because he can.
00:22:45.000 You'll never see a chain of events like what happened to elect Donald Trump.
00:22:50.000 The rich guy is just a billionaire, a millionaire, whatever you want to call him.
00:22:54.000 He's got a lot of money.
00:22:55.000 Who dollars money from his dad.
00:22:56.000 From his dad.
00:22:58.000 I remember him in New York when I was a kid.
00:23:02.000 Trump was always in the news.
00:23:04.000 He was always banging heads with politicians, trying to get some kind of zoning thing going or build some other tower somewhere.
00:23:11.000 And so we were all familiar with him, and we knew he was, like, this piece of shit guy, you know?
00:23:17.000 Like, everyone was surprised.
00:23:18.000 Like, oh, God, he grabbed by the pussy.
00:23:20.000 It's like, we saw in the Daily News and the New York Post every week, Trump was with some other who, uh, and shit.
00:23:29.000 So it wasn't a surprise to us.
00:23:33.000 But he got out there, and it was the perfect timing.
00:23:36.000 Like, we come off the heels of eight years of a Democratic president.
00:23:42.000 And it just was, people were ready for a maniac to be in the White House.
00:23:47.000 Some people were.
00:23:48.000 Some people were, exactly.
00:23:49.000 My favorite image of the election was that lady with the sock hat on, on her knees, with the glasses, screaming.
00:23:57.000 Screaming.
00:23:58.000 No!
00:23:59.000 Like, that, to me, ushered in this era of outrage and chaos.
00:24:04.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:24:05.000 That was it.
00:24:06.000 That was like the primal scream that set off the dominoes, and they're all in motion right now.
00:24:11.000 It wasn't supposed to happen.
00:24:13.000 It wasn't supposed to happen.
00:24:15.000 Hillary was supposed to be president.
00:24:17.000 That's what everybody thought.
00:24:18.000 It was going to go down in history as just one of those wacky elections, and then business as usual.
00:24:23.000 Yeah.
00:24:24.000 But...
00:24:25.000 You know, when Trump won, it turned everything upside down and ripped the cover off of, I think, not only politics in Washington, but Hollywood, the mainstream media, the news media.
00:24:39.000 Everything had the covers ripped off and everyone's now got to peek inside and realize how fucked up Everything is, you know?
00:24:48.000 You used to assume Washington, at least, the people had some kind of control.
00:24:52.000 Like, they were adults doing the job that needed to be.
00:24:55.000 And then you realize, oh my god, everyone's just a piece of shit.
00:24:59.000 Do you remember, here's a story that disappeared from years ago.
00:25:02.000 Do you remember the Washington madam that suicided herself?
00:25:05.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.
00:25:07.000 Yeah.
00:25:20.000 And then it disappeared.
00:25:22.000 Yeah, it disappeared.
00:25:23.000 Things like that happen.
00:25:25.000 Oh, fuck yeah, they do.
00:25:26.000 Politicians kill people.
00:25:28.000 Oh, yeah.
00:25:29.000 There's secret backroom deals that happen, and it's crazy.
00:25:33.000 House of Cards is way closer to reality than people would like to believe.
00:25:37.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:25:37.000 Way closer.
00:25:39.000 Over the course of decades upon decades, every year that goes by, we seem to get a little more knowledge and a little less confident in the government.
00:25:50.000 I mean, I watched some shit from the 50s, you know.
00:25:53.000 There's plenty of things on YouTube and even industrial films, just this thing of how a family, how to raise your family, how to be a good wife, all that stuff.
00:26:03.000 And it was all this weird propaganda of what America was.
00:26:08.000 And then as years go by, you realize, oh, it was all bullshit.
00:26:12.000 Like, politicians were always getting rich.
00:26:16.000 And no one seems to know how or why.
00:26:19.000 And these deals that are made aren't always in our best interest.
00:26:22.000 They're not civil servants there to represent and help you.
00:26:26.000 And as the years go by, we see more and more of this.
00:26:29.000 And the past two years with Trump has just been, man, quite a crash course.
00:26:34.000 It really has.
00:26:35.000 Yeah.
00:26:37.000 I'm fascinated to see where it goes.
00:26:39.000 I'm fascinated to see if he seems...
00:26:42.000 I mean, they always called Gotti the Teflon Don, but it seems like Trump is the Teflon Donald.
00:26:49.000 It seems like all these things keep happening.
00:26:54.000 I remember Justin Martindale, a comedian friend of mine, It's hilarious.
00:26:59.000 He goes, he was talking about Stormy Daniels.
00:27:02.000 He was like, she's our Monica Lewinsky.
00:27:04.000 She's going to take him down.
00:27:05.000 I'm like, what the fuck?
00:27:06.000 That's not happening.
00:27:08.000 You don't get it.
00:27:09.000 He doesn't care that they know he fucked her.
00:27:12.000 He doesn't care.
00:27:13.000 Do you understand?
00:27:14.000 You have to care for it to work.
00:27:17.000 Right, and that's just it.
00:27:18.000 People don't really care.
00:27:20.000 Well, some people don't care.
00:27:23.000 I follow Rosie O'Donnell's account on Twitter, and Rob Reiner is another one.
00:27:29.000 And for two years, over two years...
00:27:32.000 They have just been, like, counting down.
00:27:36.000 And the day that...
00:27:37.000 It's like, oh, impeachment's right around the corner.
00:27:39.000 Oh, he's out.
00:27:41.000 Oh, they're gonna put him in prison.
00:27:43.000 I hope you and your son get a cell next to each other.
00:27:46.000 And it's like, how long are you gonna do this?
00:27:49.000 Is it gonna be eight years of you going, well, any day now...
00:27:49.000 Eight years?
00:27:53.000 How about Keith Olbermann?
00:27:54.000 Do you remember when he was doing that wacky show in a basement somewhere for GQ? Like a mental patient!
00:28:01.000 Legitimately like a mental patient!
00:28:02.000 The resistance!
00:28:04.000 Screaming!
00:28:05.000 It was like he was doing...
00:28:06.000 It was almost like burlesque or something.
00:28:10.000 You know what I'm saying?
00:28:11.000 It was like the radio version of burlesque.
00:28:14.000 Burlesque is like, when you see a girl doing burlesque, it's like a throwback to an old-timey way of doing things.
00:28:22.000 Like the guy with the handlebar mustache with the bowler cap will introduce her.
00:28:26.000 She's bawdy!
00:28:27.000 She's bawdacious!
00:28:28.000 Please welcome, madam!
00:28:30.000 Blah, blah, blah.
00:28:31.000 And she comes out to music that nobody listens to anymore, and she's dancing around.
00:28:36.000 It's very weird.
00:28:37.000 And they're always kind of big girls.
00:28:39.000 They're not skinny, like little strippers.
00:28:42.000 They're girls who eat.
00:28:43.000 So it's a throwback to a different time of rowdiness.
00:28:47.000 And when he was in front of that screen, and doing this thing with his suit on and his tie, and everything was really well written, and he had these precise points.
00:28:58.000 And I don't understand what the red-blue in the background was either.
00:29:02.000 It seemed like something that someone had set up not as good as your compound media in the basement.
00:29:09.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:29:10.000 Live from the compound.
00:29:11.000 It wasn't as good as that.
00:29:13.000 It's like, that's the background?
00:29:14.000 This is for GQ? GQ was like, okay, we have $30.
00:29:18.000 So, what do you have to do with $30?
00:29:21.000 I think Charlie's got a camera.
00:29:24.000 He could bring it in.
00:29:25.000 $30, good.
00:29:26.000 Okay, we have a table, the IKEA table, that's $12.
00:29:29.000 You have $18 left.
00:29:31.000 We got some construction paper for the background.
00:29:34.000 I mean, what the fuck?
00:29:35.000 What is this?
00:29:36.000 They got some big ass blue and red paint.
00:29:41.000 Yeah.
00:29:42.000 Or posters.
00:29:43.000 What is that?
00:29:44.000 And then he would just pontificate there.
00:29:46.000 And he quit.
00:29:47.000 And his last thing was like, because the end is imminent, there's no reason for me to go on.
00:29:53.000 Trump is finished.
00:29:54.000 Yeah, what is this?
00:29:55.000 My work here is done.
00:29:56.000 Play some of this.
00:29:57.000 Trump is finished.
00:29:58.000 Posted one year ago this week.
00:30:00.000 Exactly one year ago.
00:30:02.000 November 11, 2017 was when he quit.
00:30:02.000 Wow.
00:30:05.000 To get a pardon from Trump, or that Mueller, as I've also reported here, has succeeded in finding a way around Trump's pardon power.
00:30:15.000 And either of these near-certainties spell Trump's doom.
00:30:19.000 So that's the most obvious of the seven ways for Trump to go now.
00:30:24.000 Mueller really will get him on Russia.
00:30:26.000 It will be ugly, and it will tear this country nearly apart, but it will be necessary.
00:30:30.000 The second way is, as I have also repeatedly suggested here, that Mueller doesn't really need to prove anything about Trump and Russian sabotage of the election.
00:30:39.000 There seems to be so much obstruction of justice, from the firing of James Comey to the lies about Trump Jr.'s meetings with the Russians, that it's hard to pick out a key player in the Trump inner circle who could not be guilty of it.
00:30:56.000 It's so funny.
00:30:57.000 A year ago, and it's like, it's still going.
00:31:00.000 Still going.
00:31:01.000 Still going.
00:31:01.000 It's like, it's fake news.
00:31:03.000 Yeah.
00:31:03.000 End it now.
00:31:04.000 Fake news.
00:31:05.000 It's a hoax.
00:31:06.000 But it is interesting.
00:31:08.000 Like, Mueller to me is fascinating because he seems like a ruthless motherfucker who takes his time.
00:31:15.000 He's like a guy who says, hey, look at me.
00:31:18.000 I'm gonna kill you.
00:31:19.000 And it's not gonna be today.
00:31:21.000 Okay?
00:31:22.000 That's all you need to know.
00:31:23.000 It's not gonna be today, but I'm gonna fucking kill you.
00:31:25.000 And like every day, he's plotting on killing you.
00:31:27.000 You see him drive by your house and wave.
00:31:29.000 You're like, when is the hammer falling?
00:31:29.000 Yeah.
00:31:31.000 You look out your window of your office.
00:31:33.000 He's out in the park drinking coffee.
00:31:34.000 Yeah, look at that guy.
00:31:35.000 Oh, he has seen some shit.
00:31:36.000 Oh, I mean...
00:31:37.000 This guy.
00:31:39.000 Yeah, I mean, he's a cold-blooded intelligence agent.
00:31:42.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:31:43.000 Those guys have seen everything.
00:31:45.000 He knows the inner work is the machine, and he knows how you bring a guy like that down, and how you fuck it up.
00:31:51.000 And he's doing everything that leads me to believe that he's not fucking it up.
00:31:55.000 This is a slow play.
00:31:58.000 And if there is...
00:31:59.000 If there is anything to the Russian thing, you would think something would have leaked out by now.
00:32:05.000 Well, it has.
00:32:06.000 I mean, there was a video the other day of Donald that they just played on CNN, of Donald talking about how many times he's actually been to Rush, Donald Jr. And, you know, he had said that he hadn't been.
00:32:16.000 But then there's another video of him from years ago saying, yeah, I've been there many times.
00:32:21.000 2005, 6, 7, 8, talking about business.
00:32:23.000 Yeah.
00:32:24.000 The problem with the people that are going after Trump that they don't seem to understand, the guy, right up until he became President of the United States, was just a private citizen businessman.
00:32:37.000 So he had a lot of dealings around the world with his real estate and buildings and golf courses.
00:32:44.000 All this shit happened when he was just a citizen doing business.
00:32:49.000 Now, whether it was ethical or not, that could definitely be brought into question.
00:32:55.000 Whether it's legal or not, I'm sure that's what they're looking into also.
00:33:00.000 But he wasn't beholden to the people as a public servant.
00:33:06.000 There wasn't a conflict of interest because he was a lifelong politician and using the power of his office to make deals.
00:33:14.000 And that also goes hand in hand with him just fucking around.
00:33:18.000 Like, if he went from a selectman in his hometown, and then years and years go by, and then you're the president, and you built that career up, at any point in there, they could call you out on being a horrible human being, because you fuck girls, or you're this, or you had a shady business dealing.
00:33:35.000 But up until two years ago, he was just Donald fucking Trump.
00:33:39.000 Yeah.
00:33:39.000 So it's hard to call him out on even dealing with Russia because there's plenty of businessmen that deal with Russia and China.
00:33:45.000 I think the question is whether or not he colluded with Russia to get information about Hillary and also to put out all that propaganda against Hillary and also saying that they're going to make a deal to do the Trump Tower in Moscow.
00:34:01.000 This was all while he was running for president.
00:34:03.000 Uh-huh.
00:34:07.000 Again, I don't know if there's anything illegal there.
00:34:10.000 I don't know if there's anything that he did that is illegal.
00:34:14.000 Because I believe when you're campaigning...
00:34:17.000 Say whatever the fuck you want to anybody.
00:34:19.000 Because you're not really running.
00:34:20.000 You're running, but you're not really running anything.
00:34:23.000 You're not really running the country.
00:34:24.000 Yeah, if he lost the presidency, he would still have to have some ducks in a row to continue his business.
00:34:31.000 And his son took over that part of what he was doing so he could campaign.
00:34:36.000 So whether Donnie Jr. went over to Russia or not, I don't really see it.
00:34:41.000 You might think it's unethical, and you might go, well, did he say if we win, we'll do this and help you out?
00:34:47.000 So who knows about that part of it?
00:34:48.000 But I don't see, in and of itself, him going over there being that big a problem.
00:34:52.000 And the fact that the Clinton campaign and the DNC... They had a lot of shady deals going on with Russia also, and that crazy dossier, and an English spy, and a Russian...
00:35:05.000 And that just never seems to get any traction.
00:35:08.000 It's weird.
00:35:10.000 Well, there's way more left-wing media publications than there are right-wing.
00:35:13.000 Absolutely.
00:35:14.000 There's only a few right-wing newspapers, and right-wing websites are oftentimes maligned.
00:35:14.000 That's just a fact.
00:35:22.000 They're not treated seriously.
00:35:23.000 There's no right-wing...
00:35:34.000 Yeah.
00:35:36.000 Yeah.
00:35:49.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:35:50.000 It's just comedy.
00:35:51.000 One was...
00:35:52.000 God, the one I thought was just so douchey.
00:35:55.000 When Fred Astaire died, it said, Astaire Way to Heaven.
00:35:59.000 I was like, who fucking...
00:36:02.000 Someone must have gotten hit for that.
00:36:04.000 That is the one thing that I do love about New York.
00:36:06.000 And Boston, too.
00:36:07.000 There's a harshness to the comedy.
00:36:09.000 Because the people are fucking cold.
00:36:12.000 It's cold.
00:36:13.000 The wintertime is cold, and you're like, fuck you!
00:36:15.000 And that...
00:36:17.000 Growing up there, man, it fucking flavored me, it flavored burr.
00:36:22.000 There's a million guys like that, that Patrice, that fucking comedy, a lot of it came out of that part of the world, because that part of the world's different.
00:36:30.000 Isn't that weird?
00:36:31.000 It's cold.
00:36:33.000 And you think that just makes people angry?
00:36:33.000 It's fucking cold!
00:36:37.000 Yeah, cold in a lot of people.
00:36:39.000 I think cold in very few people makes people more down-homey and compassionate, and they stay together.
00:36:45.000 Montana.
00:36:45.000 Except for a few serial killers randomly scattered out into the woods.
00:36:49.000 But other than that, you get people that work together and help each other because they realize they're in this together.
00:36:55.000 Yeah, there is a stark difference between New York and Boston-based comics and LA-based comics.
00:37:02.000 It's amazing.
00:37:04.000 Giant difference.
00:37:04.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:37:05.000 And some of them have that crossover appeal and they've moved, you know?
00:37:11.000 Like Bill, you know?
00:37:12.000 But maintains that Boston sensibility, that New York sensibility.
00:37:16.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:37:16.000 That's what's appealing about him is that he's still a savage.
00:37:19.000 Exactly.
00:37:19.000 Right.
00:37:20.000 Yeah.
00:37:21.000 You don't grow that out here.
00:37:23.000 It's too sunny.
00:37:24.000 It's nice every day.
00:37:26.000 Everyone seems kind of pleasant out here, whether it's real or phoniness, but it comes off as pleasantry.
00:37:35.000 And in New York, it's just a grave disregard for everybody.
00:37:40.000 You literally step over people.
00:37:45.000 It's like if you have a million pennies and you drop a penny.
00:37:49.000 Whatever.
00:37:50.000 Lost a guy on the train.
00:37:52.000 Whatever.
00:37:53.000 It is odd when you think about if there was somebody just laying in the gutter of the street in some small town in Kansas.
00:38:05.000 The police, an ambulance would be called, and people would stop and ask if he was okay.
00:38:10.000 And in New York, you literally step over those people.
00:38:13.000 You just don't even look in their face.
00:38:15.000 It's an inconvenience that someone is laying on the sidewalk.
00:38:19.000 If you were in the middle of a snowstorm, and your car broke down, and you saw a guy laying on the side of the road, you'd help him.
00:38:29.000 You'd be like, oh, Jesus, poor guy.
00:38:29.000 Of course.
00:38:31.000 We've got to help him, too.
00:38:32.000 Come on.
00:38:32.000 Hey, buddy, you all right?
00:38:33.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:38:35.000 Not so much in New York.
00:38:37.000 New York, you just see him lying in his own piss, needle hanging out of his dick.
00:38:41.000 Yeah, and I'm pissed that it stinks down on the subway.
00:38:44.000 Fucking gross.
00:38:45.000 Fucking disgusting, man.
00:38:47.000 Yeah, no compassion.
00:38:48.000 It does stink too, though, on a steamy August day.
00:38:52.000 It's the worst.
00:38:53.000 And it's gotten worse under de Blasio, who's the mayor of New York now.
00:38:59.000 And say what you want about Giuliani, who now is batshit crazy.
00:39:03.000 What happened with him?
00:39:04.000 I don't know.
00:39:05.000 Something blew a fuse.
00:39:07.000 He's not respectable anymore.
00:39:09.000 Well, he aligned himself with Trump, so that immediately gets you put into a category.
00:39:14.000 Why do you think he did that?
00:39:15.000 I think he's got some dementia going on.
00:39:17.000 He just doesn't seem right.
00:39:19.000 You know what it is?
00:39:21.000 He lost his comb-over.
00:39:23.000 He had a comb-over for what was his name?
00:39:26.000 He gave up on the comb-over and he realized, oh my god, I'm fucking crazy.
00:39:30.000 Samson's hair.
00:39:31.000 It's like that.
00:39:32.000 He lost the last wisps.
00:39:34.000 Those last wisps of comb-over that he had during 9-11.
00:39:39.000 Yeah.
00:39:40.000 He was, at one point, you know, after 9-11, they called him.
00:39:43.000 9-10-2001, he was a piece of shit.
00:39:47.000 No one liked Giuliani.
00:39:48.000 He ruined New York.
00:39:50.000 He ruined it by commercializing it, cleaning up all the porn theaters, getting rid of the tunnel bunnies and the squeegee guys.
00:39:58.000 He went on a tear.
00:40:00.000 Just gave the police department carte blanche to start racking head and taking care of business.
00:40:05.000 It cleaned up New York.
00:40:06.000 Times Square turned into a Disney-type atmosphere instead of that drug-addled fucking mess that it was.
00:40:12.000 And people hated him for kind of ruining that gritty New York that we saw in Taxi Driver and shit.
00:40:18.000 And then 9-11...
00:40:21.000 He was America's mayor.
00:40:23.000 That's what they called him.
00:40:24.000 America's mayor.
00:40:25.000 He's going out of Yankee games and ovations and people.
00:40:28.000 He's standing with the...
00:40:30.000 He looks like a crazy person on the right.
00:40:33.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:40:34.000 She just totally shaved his head.
00:40:36.000 If I talk to him, I say, listen, bro, there's a lot of power in just shaving your head.
00:40:40.000 Just shave that head, motherfucker.
00:40:41.000 Yeah, you feel good.
00:40:42.000 Like a guy who has hair on the side of his head, unless you do a lot of drugs like Hunter S. Thompson, it's hard to pull that off.
00:40:48.000 You can't pull that off.
00:40:50.000 I think, yeah.
00:40:51.000 Who pulls it off?
00:40:52.000 Look at him at the upper right-hand side.
00:40:53.000 That's a comb over in the beginning.
00:40:56.000 No, above that.
00:40:57.000 Above that.
00:40:57.000 Above that.
00:40:58.000 To the right.
00:40:58.000 To the right.
00:40:59.000 Look at that.
00:40:59.000 With a suit.
00:41:00.000 That's where it first started.
00:41:00.000 Oh, yeah.
00:41:02.000 That's the full comb over.
00:41:03.000 That's like a preposterous.
00:41:04.000 Yeah, look at that.
00:41:05.000 Oh, Jesus.
00:41:06.000 That's working it from the back.
00:41:07.000 And what did he do?
00:41:09.000 Did he try to get plugs or something in the front?
00:41:12.000 I don't think so.
00:41:12.000 I don't know what that is.
00:41:13.000 He's just rocking that full, strong comb over.
00:41:18.000 He had a lot to do with getting rid of organized crime in New York City.
00:41:25.000 Like the mafia, the five families, all that shit was still running pretty rampant throughout the 70s and 80s.
00:41:33.000 As a kid, me and my brother used to laugh our asses off.
00:41:36.000 We'd open the newspaper and it was like, Johnny the Horse Bugliotti was found dead and stuff.
00:41:43.000 We would laugh our asses off at the names.
00:41:46.000 Just those mob names.
00:41:48.000 It's hilarious.
00:41:49.000 And that scene in Goodfellas at the beginning when they're just going through and the nose and killer and this guy.
00:41:55.000 And they all have those fucking names that are hilarious.
00:41:58.000 And yeah, Giuliani was a big part of that.
00:42:00.000 I'm surprised they didn't kill him.
00:42:02.000 He was absolutely responsible.
00:42:05.000 He kept going after them and kept putting them away with the new RICO statutes that they had and locked up a lot of mobsters, man.
00:42:15.000 Well, you know, another problem with the mobsters is they start to rat on each other.
00:42:18.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:42:19.000 As soon as you start ratting on each other, all your mystique is gone.
00:42:22.000 Your whole legend is gone.
00:42:24.000 The whole thing is that you guys have omerta.
00:42:27.000 You keep your fucking mouth shut, you do your time like a man, and then you get out and you're a hero, and this whole thing keeps going.
00:42:33.000 This thing of ours keeps going.
00:42:35.000 This thing of ours...
00:42:36.000 But those fucking pussies didn't want to go to jail.
00:42:38.000 Isn't that something like the old school guys would be offered, you know, you could walk, or you could get a really easy sentence, just talk.
00:42:47.000 Fuck your mother.
00:42:48.000 And then, yeah, they reach the point where it's like, yeah, I'm not built for prison.
00:42:54.000 But when they would put him in prison, though, it was like in Goodfellas.
00:42:57.000 They would be able to cook, and they paid the guards off.
00:43:00.000 They had a sweet setup.
00:43:02.000 The internet ruined all that, too.
00:43:04.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:43:05.000 The internet.
00:43:06.000 Well, it was probably all dead before the internet.
00:43:08.000 But, you know, like Sammy the Bull Gravano, he was free.
00:43:12.000 He did his time, the minimum amount of time.
00:43:15.000 He killed at least ten people.
00:43:18.000 Murdered people.
00:43:18.000 Murdered people.
00:43:19.000 And he confessed to them.
00:43:22.000 You know, talked about the murders that he did and how he did them.
00:43:25.000 He wanted Gotti so bad.
00:43:27.000 They wanted Gotti so bad.
00:43:28.000 I mean, Sammy the Bull Gravano was a fucking straight-up psychopath.
00:43:31.000 Yeah.
00:43:32.000 A total serial killer.
00:43:34.000 Yeah.
00:43:34.000 And they let him walk, and then he got arrested eventually for selling ecstasy in Phoenix.
00:43:38.000 He moved to Phoenix after that.
00:43:40.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:43:41.000 And then he...
00:43:42.000 He was running shit down there.
00:43:44.000 And how did he just not get whacked out?
00:43:46.000 Because the mob was gone.
00:43:48.000 They all were gone, and no one cared.
00:43:50.000 It all crumbled.
00:43:50.000 It all dissipated.
00:43:52.000 Did that something?
00:43:52.000 Yeah.
00:43:53.000 Yeah.
00:43:54.000 Just like, yeah, poof, went away.
00:43:56.000 Well, the thing, like, Gotti was the first one that was, like, real flashy in public about it all.
00:44:01.000 Yeah, yeah, they didn't like that.
00:44:03.000 Whereas, like, Vincent de Chin always used to walk around like a crazy person in the bathrobe.
00:44:06.000 Pretend he was nuts.
00:44:06.000 The bathrobe.
00:44:07.000 But he would give people directions while he was doing that, but he felt like everything was being bugged.
00:44:12.000 So what they would do is they'd bug cars along his walking route.
00:44:16.000 Right.
00:44:17.000 So they could record him.
00:44:18.000 Oh, that is hilarious.
00:44:19.000 They knew what he was doing.
00:44:21.000 Jesus.
00:44:22.000 There's always a way.
00:44:23.000 Yeah.
00:44:24.000 There's always a way to get you.
00:44:25.000 Yeah, the mystique was gone, though.
00:44:27.000 It wasn't really...
00:44:27.000 Yeah.
00:44:28.000 Like, the Russians still have the mystique.
00:44:31.000 Russian mobsters...
00:44:32.000 They are brutal, too.
00:44:34.000 Like, they are the scary ones.
00:44:34.000 They're the scary ones.
00:44:36.000 Yeah, they're scary ones now.
00:44:37.000 There's a worse mob...
00:44:38.000 Because, regardless of what it turned into, there was a time where the Italian mob did have a line.
00:44:45.000 Like, you didn't cross.
00:44:46.000 Family, things like that.
00:44:48.000 Yeah.
00:44:49.000 But the Russians, oh my god, will they fuck up an entire family.
00:44:53.000 The dog, everything gets killed in the worst way.
00:44:57.000 Yeah, they're scary, scary motherfuckers.
00:44:59.000 I had an experience out, it was...
00:45:04.000 Broadway, I guess, and they have those pedal cabs that go around, and they're all Russian dudes, big legs on them, and they pedal around.
00:45:11.000 And I was looking for a cab, a real cab, to take me downtown.
00:45:14.000 I wasn't going to ride 15 blocks in a tricycle with Yuri pedaling in front of me.
00:45:21.000 So this guy passed by once and said, do you need the cab?
00:45:24.000 I was like, no, I'm good, thanks.
00:45:26.000 Comes around again, I'm still waiting for a cab, and he goes, cab?
00:45:29.000 I was like, I'm not gonna have you pedal me 15 fucking blocks.
00:45:33.000 No!
00:45:34.000 Move!
00:45:35.000 And you could yell at a cab driver in New York.
00:45:38.000 They'll yell out your window and stuff.
00:45:40.000 They rarely will get out of their car.
00:45:42.000 They know, you know, you got the medallion right there.
00:45:44.000 You could just call the number and say you were being harassed by a cab driver.
00:45:49.000 So they won't do anything.
00:45:50.000 This guy gets off his fucking bike.
00:45:52.000 You have a fucking problem?
00:45:54.000 You have a fucking problem?
00:45:56.000 And I was just like, oh shit.
00:45:59.000 It's going down.
00:46:02.000 This guy means business.
00:46:03.000 And of course I'm like, nope, no, all good.
00:46:05.000 All good.
00:46:06.000 Thank you.
00:46:06.000 I don't need a cab.
00:46:08.000 You're right, motherfucker.
00:46:09.000 And that was it.
00:46:11.000 But you don't fuck with Russians.
00:46:13.000 No, they're not regular white people.
00:46:14.000 No, they're not.
00:46:15.000 They're not.
00:46:16.000 They're hard people.
00:46:17.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:46:18.000 You see that in the UFC. There's a lot of badass Russians fighting in the UFC now.
00:46:23.000 Well, obviously we saw that recently.
00:46:24.000 Khabib Nurmagomedov, yeah.
00:46:25.000 Mm-hmm.
00:46:26.000 When he was on top of Conor, punched him in the face saying, let's talk now!
00:46:29.000 Let's talk!
00:46:30.000 Let's talk!
00:46:31.000 Boom!
00:46:31.000 Let's talk!
00:46:32.000 Come on, we talk!
00:46:33.000 Boom!
00:46:34.000 Just twisted.
00:46:35.000 Horrific.
00:46:36.000 And then they got those other videos that you see on YouTube and whatnot of Russians just up in steel I-beams.
00:46:36.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:46:44.000 Yeah.
00:46:45.000 Like a hundred stories up.
00:46:46.000 Doing backflips.
00:46:47.000 Swinging, doing backflips, hanging by two fingers.
00:46:50.000 Oh!
00:46:51.000 Isn't that uncomfortable?
00:46:52.000 Sometimes falling, yeah.
00:46:55.000 My hands are sweating.
00:46:56.000 You just talking about that makes my hands sweat.
00:46:57.000 It is so uncomfortable to watch.
00:47:00.000 Because they get themselves in these positions where maybe there's this thin little alcove, and they put their hands against one side, their feet against the other.
00:47:10.000 If your feet slip, there's no...
00:47:15.000 No recovering.
00:47:16.000 That drives me crazy.
00:47:17.000 Look, I got goosebumps.
00:47:19.000 Isn't that weird?
00:47:20.000 You get a visceral reaction to just the thought?
00:47:23.000 And I have some friends that just know that I freak out, so they send me those every day.
00:47:27.000 Oh, Christ.
00:47:28.000 Yeah.
00:47:29.000 There are some things that are online.
00:47:32.000 Oh, look at this fucking guy.
00:47:33.000 Look at this guy.
00:47:35.000 What's it?
00:47:35.000 Get the fuck.
00:47:36.000 Oh, my God.
00:47:42.000 They are nuts.
00:47:44.000 I can't do this, man.
00:47:46.000 My hands are pouring sweat right now.
00:47:49.000 Oh my god, look at this crazy asshole.
00:47:51.000 Oleg, I film you!
00:47:53.000 Oh, he's one arm in it!
00:47:56.000 Do crazy shit!
00:47:57.000 Oh!
00:47:58.000 Oh my god!
00:48:00.000 He's hand standing!
00:48:03.000 What does it say?
00:48:04.000 Daredevil returns with latest shocking stunt on Skyscraper.
00:48:08.000 This fucking motherfucker that he's doing a handstand on, what is that, a three inch ledge?
00:48:14.000 Oh my god.
00:48:16.000 Oh, he's going around the corner!
00:48:17.000 Come on, come on.
00:48:17.000 You can't go around the corner!
00:48:19.000 What are you doing?
00:48:20.000 Don't you do this, you fuck!
00:48:22.000 One little...
00:48:25.000 One little fucking miscalculation or...
00:48:28.000 How do you do that?
00:48:30.000 How do you know your center of gravity isn't just going to pull you right the fuck off?
00:48:34.000 Jesus Christ, he went around the corner.
00:48:36.000 That's nuts.
00:48:38.000 What is this guy's life like if he just decides he's going to do this?
00:48:42.000 This makes me very uncomfortable.
00:48:43.000 That is so fucking high up.
00:48:46.000 That is so high up.
00:48:46.000 It's so high up.
00:48:48.000 I can't do what he did if he was on the ground.
00:48:48.000 Here's the thing.
00:48:51.000 Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:48:52.000 So I can't do those...
00:48:54.000 Handstands and all that jazz on the ground.
00:48:55.000 Mark out three inches and try to stay on it with your hands.
00:48:59.000 Or mark it up enough so that you, like, put pads under me, right, and then give it so I could jump up and grab it and hang, and see how much of that I could do.
00:49:07.000 Like, a couple of things.
00:49:08.000 I could hang from my fingers.
00:49:09.000 I might be able to pull myself up, but if I got to the top, I'd probably slip.
00:49:13.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:49:14.000 You know, height will definitely fuck with you.
00:49:17.000 Like, if you're riding a bike on a sidewalk, you'll never fall off the sidewalk.
00:49:23.000 You could just ride your bike.
00:49:24.000 You don't even have to think about it.
00:49:26.000 Sidewalk, what?
00:49:27.000 A couple of feet wide.
00:49:28.000 If that was over, like, the Grand Canyon, you would be shaking.
00:49:32.000 You couldn't do it.
00:49:34.000 And it's the same fucking thing.
00:49:36.000 It's just your perception and the height.
00:49:39.000 You'd be fucked up.
00:49:40.000 You'd be like this, I'm going to fall off.
00:49:42.000 We have that HTC vibe in the back room here.
00:49:45.000 Oh, yeah.
00:49:45.000 And there's one game.
00:49:47.000 We have to download that game.
00:49:48.000 We haven't gotten that game.
00:49:49.000 You go to the hardware store, and you buy a 2x4, and you lay it down on the floor, and then the game is, you put the VR goggles on, and you're walking on this 2x4 over, like, in between two skyscrapers.
00:50:01.000 Right.
00:50:02.000 So as you're doing it, and like, you hear sounds.
00:50:04.000 Oh my god, that's awesome.
00:50:05.000 This is the actual game.
00:50:07.000 Oh my god.
00:50:07.000 So you step out, and here's the 2x4.
00:50:11.000 So this 2x4 is real.
00:50:13.000 Like, you have an actual 2x4.
00:50:14.000 Right.
00:50:15.000 So you're really walking on this.
00:50:16.000 So you're feeling it.
00:50:17.000 And you walk the plank.
00:50:17.000 Yeah.
00:50:19.000 Oh my god.
00:50:22.000 Oh my god.
00:50:23.000 And you look down and you're like, oh Jesus.
00:50:25.000 What is that thing floating in front of you?
00:50:27.000 I don't know.
00:50:28.000 What's that supposed to be, Jamie?
00:50:29.000 I've never done it.
00:50:30.000 I don't know.
00:50:34.000 Yeah, first of all, watching it on a screen does VR no justice.
00:50:38.000 You can't really.
00:50:39.000 You are in a space.
00:50:41.000 It's so cool to kind of look around.
00:50:43.000 They definitely have more work to do.
00:50:46.000 It looks cool.
00:50:48.000 You feel like you're in a 3D environment, but it's not very photorealistic.
00:50:51.000 No.
00:50:52.000 My kids are addicted to it.
00:50:54.000 They run here after school.
00:50:54.000 Really?
00:50:55.000 Oh, really?
00:50:56.000 And they put the VR goggles on and play these fucking crazy games.
00:51:03.000 Yeah, I have the Oculus and the Vive and the PlayStation VR at home.
00:51:09.000 What's the best?
00:51:10.000 Right now, the Oculus is the highest quality of the VR goggles.
00:51:15.000 I think PlayStation has some pretty cool games out there, though.
00:51:19.000 And Vive does, too.
00:51:20.000 But I think...
00:51:23.000 Oculus is going to come out very soon with a completely wireless one.
00:51:27.000 Yeah, so is HTC Vive.
00:51:29.000 So you're not tethered to anything and tripping over wires and shit.
00:51:29.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:51:33.000 That's going to be big.
00:51:34.000 Yeah, that's pretty huge.
00:51:35.000 It's weird, though, because some games aren't conducive to VR, and you would think, like...
00:51:42.000 I play Call of Duty or Battlefield V, World War II thing just came out, and I love that game.
00:51:48.000 But I couldn't play that for hours, because I would play for fucking hours on end.
00:51:52.000 And to have the goggles on that long and trying to play a shooter like that, I think VR right now is more conducive to experiences.
00:52:03.000 Then it is like that.
00:52:04.000 That's pretty much not a game.
00:52:05.000 It's an experience, and it brings you into a whole other 3D world around you.
00:52:09.000 But a shooter game like Battlefield or Call of Duty, not really conducive to VR right now.
00:52:15.000 Not yet.
00:52:16.000 Not yet.
00:52:16.000 I think in the future, though, a plastic gun.
00:52:19.000 Yes.
00:52:20.000 If you were holding a real plastic gun, you could actually pull.
00:52:23.000 But that would be fucking amazing for a shooter game.
00:52:23.000 You need that interface.
00:52:26.000 Yeah.
00:52:26.000 Yeah.
00:52:27.000 There's a few other ideas that they're working on that should be available pretty relatively soon where the system maps your house, like the room you're in, off of your headset and will superimpose things over the couch.
00:52:44.000 Like it'll be an ammo crate.
00:52:45.000 A chair turns into a box ammo crate.
00:52:48.000 So as you walk around the room...
00:52:50.000 It's reading your room, but making this VR world that looks more military or like a jungle or whatever it is.
00:52:58.000 So it won't be a couch.
00:52:59.000 You'll hit it, but in your vision, it'll be a box or an ammo crate or a car, something like that.
00:53:06.000 So that's kind of cool, utilizing the real environment around you and then superimposing shit over it.
00:53:13.000 You know what else is really cool?
00:53:15.000 The boxing games.
00:53:16.000 Yeah.
00:53:16.000 In the boxing games, you get a crazy workout.
00:53:19.000 You get a real legit workout because you're actually like fake boxing this cartoon character.
00:53:25.000 And when you get hit, you see a bright white flash.
00:53:25.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:53:28.000 Like you got hit.
00:53:31.000 Like you got your bell rung.
00:53:32.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:53:35.000 You get a real workout when you're doing this, so you get out of breath.
00:53:38.000 I've watched my girl play that, and it's hilarious.
00:53:42.000 It's funny to watch people do VR, especially stuff like that, because they're ducking.
00:53:46.000 There's another shooter game that she was playing, and it's hilarious, because she's like screaming and ducking down, and your hand is up, like pulling a trigger on a fake gun over something that isn't even there.
00:53:58.000 So it's cool to watch people play.
00:54:01.000 Yeah, there's some crazy zombie game that my kids play.
00:54:04.000 Yeah.
00:54:04.000 It's like that.
00:54:05.000 You get a bunch of guns and ammo, and then the zombies are closing in on you.
00:54:08.000 You gotta gun them down.
00:54:09.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:54:10.000 I'll tell you, there are some games or experiences where you're walking through kind of a haunted house thing that are genuinely fucking alarming.
00:54:10.000 It's just weird.
00:54:18.000 Yeah.
00:54:19.000 Like, you don't want to go around a corner...
00:54:23.000 You don't want to do anything.
00:54:24.000 And you know, when you watch on a monitor, it's just the monitor.
00:54:28.000 There's shit behind you that you're not seeing unless you turn around and look.
00:54:32.000 So you hear a sound and be like, I don't want to turn around.
00:54:36.000 I know that thing's going to be right in my face.
00:54:38.000 And it's frightening.
00:54:41.000 What is the Alien game for?
00:54:42.000 Is that for the Vibe or Oculus?
00:54:44.000 Is it a Ridley Scott Alien?
00:54:46.000 Yeah, I think it's both.
00:54:49.000 Is it?
00:54:49.000 Because I had it for Oculus.
00:54:51.000 It's supposed to be fucking terrifying.
00:54:52.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:54:53.000 Alien something.
00:54:54.000 It's the one, like, Alien, the original movie.
00:54:54.000 Yeah.
00:54:57.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:54:58.000 You're on a ship.
00:54:59.000 It starts with the doors opening up and that little thing drinking the water, that little tchotchke on the desk.
00:55:06.000 Yeah, it really gives a good recreation of the movie, which was fucking awesome.
00:55:06.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:55:12.000 That's one of the greatest movies.
00:55:13.000 Goes Down is one of my favorites.
00:55:14.000 That movie's also one of my favorite examples...
00:55:18.000 When people talk about pushing diversity in movies, this movie...
00:55:24.000 Had a female lead, who's a female superstar, who, spoiler alert, winds up winning in the end, killing the alien.
00:55:31.000 But you don't even notice.
00:55:34.000 No.
00:55:34.000 It never feels like it's crammed down your throat.
00:55:36.000 Whereas the last Star Wars, I was like, get the fuck out of here, Laura Dern.
00:55:40.000 You're not running the Empire.
00:55:42.000 Get out of here.
00:55:43.000 You're like, what is this?
00:55:45.000 She's the head general, and then Carrie Fisher's the other head general, and they're telling these men to shut up, and this all makes sense to you?
00:55:51.000 Isn't that fucking amazing?
00:55:52.000 This is preposterous.
00:55:53.000 Dude, that was 1979 and they had more of an idea of how to present that.
00:56:01.000 First of all, Sigourney Weaver is just a fucking badass.
00:56:05.000 You believe that she pulled it together.
00:56:07.000 She was such a great actress.
00:56:09.000 So that's Alien Descent?
00:56:11.000 This is like that thing that you did at Disney, though.
00:56:14.000 Free-roaming VR experience.
00:56:17.000 This just came out earlier this year in Orange, California.
00:56:20.000 I'm not exactly sure what it is.
00:56:22.000 Jamie and I have talked about that many times.
00:56:23.000 That's the future.
00:56:24.000 A warehouse like this space out here, but converted into just a giant VR experience.
00:56:30.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:56:31.000 Where's this, Jamie?
00:56:32.000 Orange, California.
00:56:33.000 Oh, shit.
00:56:34.000 That's not far from here.
00:56:35.000 Look at that.
00:56:36.000 Damn, we need to go.
00:56:37.000 Damn.
00:56:38.000 Yeah, when I first saw Alien back, you know kids, I saw it in the movie theater when it first came out.
00:56:45.000 I can't believe it's in the 70s.
00:56:45.000 They're kids.
00:56:46.000 My mom took me.
00:56:47.000 It was 79, yeah, yeah.
00:56:48.000 It's hard to believe.
00:56:49.000 It was just one of those movies that at the time everyone goes, oh my god, you gotta see this.
00:56:53.000 The chest fucking burst scene just slayed people.
00:56:59.000 But yeah, when you're watching that, because traditional movies, the guy's the hero, and that's what happens.
00:57:04.000 When Tom Skerritt gets it, You're just like, wait, what?
00:57:08.000 Yeah.
00:57:08.000 They just killed the star, the hero.
00:57:10.000 It was Tom Skerritt.
00:57:11.000 Yeah.
00:57:12.000 I was like, no, it's not his fucking movie.
00:57:14.000 He was a big movie star.
00:57:15.000 And then I think it was like the first movie where the spaceship was kind of a truck and it was just dirty and just regular guys concerned about getting paid and shit like that.
00:57:15.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:57:29.000 So...
00:57:30.000 Yeah, that's why it was amazing.
00:57:32.000 Which is this one?
00:57:32.000 This is Covenant in Utero, which is on this rift.
00:57:36.000 It came out a year or two ago.
00:57:38.000 Oh, cool.
00:57:39.000 Oh, so this is after the Covenant movie, which is a fucking awesome one.
00:57:43.000 Yeah, I liked that one.
00:57:44.000 That's the most recent one.
00:57:45.000 I love those goddamn movies.
00:57:47.000 I love those movies.
00:57:48.000 I like that shit.
00:57:48.000 They're so good.
00:57:50.000 But that movie, they nailed it.
00:57:51.000 It was just great.
00:57:53.000 It didn't matter if a woman was running in.
00:57:55.000 They weren't shoving it down your throat.
00:57:57.000 Whereas I feel like that last Star Wars one with Laura Dern and Carrie Fisher was like, come on.
00:58:02.000 Flying Carrie Fisher.
00:58:03.000 Come on.
00:58:04.000 Yeah.
00:58:05.000 Just stop.
00:58:06.000 I wasn't feeling it.
00:58:07.000 I didn't feel like they were...
00:58:09.000 Look, there's certain women like...
00:58:12.000 What is her name from House of Cards?
00:58:14.000 The head woman.
00:58:15.000 Oh, yeah.
00:58:17.000 What's her name?
00:58:18.000 Jenny from...
00:58:18.000 Jenny from Far It's Call.
00:58:20.000 Yeah.
00:58:22.000 Sean Penn's ex-wife.
00:58:23.000 Sean Penn's ex-wife.
00:58:25.000 Oh, yeah.
00:58:25.000 Penn.
00:58:26.000 So it's something...
00:58:27.000 Something something Penn.
00:58:29.000 What the fuck's her name, man?
00:58:30.000 I think she used that for a while.
00:58:31.000 She's so good, too.
00:58:32.000 I'm embarrassed.
00:58:33.000 Robin Wright.
00:58:34.000 Robin Wright.
00:58:35.000 Yeah.
00:58:35.000 Robin Wright.
00:58:36.000 If Robin Wright was playing a general, I would believe it.
00:58:36.000 Okay.
00:58:39.000 She's a mean bitch.
00:58:39.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:58:40.000 Right.
00:58:41.000 She could send in some fucking tanks.
00:58:43.000 I would believe that she would, like, nuke a planet.
00:58:46.000 I'd buy that.
00:58:48.000 Right.
00:58:48.000 Yeah, but Carrie Fisher and Laura Dern, I was like, come on, I see what you're doing here.
00:58:53.000 They're running things.
00:58:54.000 I think they've...
00:58:55.000 They're putting out too many Star Wars movies to have that mystique and that kind of atmosphere that it was like to go to one of them years ago.
00:59:05.000 It's also...
00:59:06.000 It's Disney now.
00:59:08.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:59:09.000 Which is great because it's consistent and it's good.
00:59:12.000 Right.
00:59:13.000 But it's never...
00:59:14.000 It's stunning.
00:59:15.000 No.
00:59:16.000 It's never terrifying.
00:59:17.000 It's never ex machina.
00:59:20.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:59:20.000 Right, right.
00:59:21.000 It's never fucked up, like when you leave the theater going, holy shit.
00:59:25.000 They can't do that anymore.
00:59:25.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:59:26.000 No.
00:59:26.000 They have to kind of polish off the sharp edges and soothe the experience down to more palatable mainstream appeal.
00:59:34.000 Yeah.
00:59:34.000 That first, the first Star Wars back in 77, again, I saw that in a movie theater, with my uncle.
00:59:42.000 My uncle Joe took me.
00:59:44.000 And I didn't know Star Wars from a hole in the wall.
00:59:46.000 I remember the trailer playing on TV, and I was like, alright, that seems kind of cool.
00:59:50.000 And then we sit down, and that opening scene with the giant ship just does a flyover, and I was just, from that point on, I was just mesmerized with this.
01:00:01.000 The illusion of size that they got in the ship.
01:00:04.000 And the ship was an actual ship.
01:00:06.000 They made it out of, like, plastic model parts.
01:00:09.000 Yeah, practical effects.
01:00:10.000 It was all, like, you know.
01:00:11.000 They took models.
01:00:12.000 Like, they went and bought, like, a bunch of different...
01:00:14.000 You remember those old models that we used to do, like, cars?
01:00:17.000 Oh, yeah.
01:00:17.000 And then you would paint them, you know?
01:00:18.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:00:19.000 Remember those?
01:00:20.000 You'd glue them together, you'd get the model glue and everything.
01:00:22.000 I used to love those.
01:00:23.000 Yeah.
01:00:23.000 They took...
01:00:24.000 A bunch of parts from those things and built the Millennium Falcon.
01:00:28.000 They built those battleships from like parts, like shit.
01:00:31.000 And you could kind of tell because they're so weird and eclectic and some of the parts don't seem to match.
01:00:37.000 Right.
01:00:38.000 But it worked.
01:00:38.000 It looked cool.
01:00:39.000 It totally worked.
01:00:40.000 Yeah.
01:00:41.000 That was, you know, if you...
01:00:43.000 You didn't imagine being one of those X-Wing fighters as a kid.
01:00:46.000 It was just an amazing thing.
01:00:48.000 Yeah, that's kind of gone.
01:00:50.000 It shows you how great Alien, like Ridley Scott's Alien, really was.
01:00:54.000 Because although Star Wars was a great movie, honestly, Star Wars doesn't really hold up.
01:01:00.000 Like, if you watch it today, you look at the special effects, like, what?
01:01:04.000 What am I watching?
01:01:05.000 This is so clunky.
01:01:06.000 And then the Katina scene.
01:01:08.000 Yeah, yeah, that's always.
01:01:10.000 The mouths don't move.
01:01:12.000 The monster face is like...
01:01:14.000 It's weird.
01:01:16.000 They're wearing a mask.
01:01:17.000 It's really obvious.
01:01:18.000 But then you go just two years later to Ridley Scott's Alien.
01:01:22.000 That motherfucker holds up today.
01:01:24.000 It looks amazing.
01:01:25.000 Yeah, I got yelled at because I watched it with my kids.
01:01:28.000 Oh, shit.
01:01:29.000 Yeah, because my 10-year-old can handle shit.
01:01:32.000 My 8-year-old cannot.
01:01:33.000 Oh, man.
01:01:34.000 And I watched it.
01:01:35.000 I'm like, you think you can handle it?
01:01:37.000 And they're like, yeah, I can handle it.
01:01:38.000 I'm like, okay, let's see.
01:01:39.000 They're going to die.
01:01:40.000 And the first time, the dude got the tongue through the forehead.
01:01:45.000 They're like, what the fuck are we watching, daddy?
01:01:49.000 Yeah.
01:01:51.000 It was nightmares.
01:01:52.000 Phil remember that.
01:01:54.000 My mom and my dad took me, my brother, and my sister when I was seven years old to go see Bonnie and Clyde with Warren Beatty and what's her name there?
01:02:08.000 I can't remember who played Bonnie.
01:02:10.000 Faye Dunaway.
01:02:10.000 Faye Dunaway?
01:02:11.000 Very good.
01:02:12.000 Yes.
01:02:12.000 Thank you.
01:02:13.000 And now, it's famous for being one of the most graphic machine gunnings at the end of the movie.
01:02:22.000 I mean, they were pulling up, they got ambushed by law, and they just get shot up.
01:02:28.000 The whole movie, though...
01:02:30.000 As a seven-year-old kid, I liked these people.
01:02:33.000 They were funny.
01:02:34.000 They robbed banks and stuff, but, you know, they'd make jokes and they were cool and you got to know them as a person.
01:02:40.000 So as a seven-year-old, I was like, oh, these people are cool.
01:02:45.000 So then the end of the movie comes, and they're out there, and you hear the birds fly away, and Clyde looks at Bonnie with the one lens missing from his glasses, and it's really quiet, and then all hell breaks loose.
01:02:59.000 It's just five guys shooting Thompsons at both of them, and they're being riddled with bullet holes.
01:03:06.000 And the scene goes on, and they're falling down against the car.
01:03:11.000 The car is just full.
01:03:12.000 Yeah, there it is.
01:03:15.000 It's so brutal.
01:03:16.000 It's crazy, too, seeing the girl get it.
01:03:18.000 There's something ruthless about seeing a girl get shot a hundred times.
01:03:18.000 Oh, yeah.
01:03:22.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:03:23.000 Look at her.
01:03:24.000 It was...
01:03:24.000 We saw this at the drive-in, and...
01:03:31.000 I started vomiting in the car, seven years old.
01:03:36.000 We had been to Arby's before, so my Arby's was all over the car.
01:03:42.000 I was screaming, crying, and throwing up, going like, what the fuck did you take me to see?
01:03:48.000 I liked these people!
01:03:50.000 I had like a two-hour relationship with them, and it ends like that?
01:03:54.000 I was horrified.
01:03:56.000 Horrified as a kid.
01:03:57.000 Yeah, there's certain things...
01:03:58.000 But is that bad, like, ultimately?
01:04:01.000 I don't know.
01:04:02.000 That you saw that when you were a kid?
01:04:03.000 Yeah.
01:04:04.000 Maybe it's not good to shield kids from too much.
01:04:07.000 Yeah, but maybe not to that extent.
01:04:09.000 Show me a cartoon first or something, because I don't know if it affected me.
01:04:15.000 It's hard to tell without knowing what it would be like if I didn't see stuff like that.
01:04:20.000 But the fact that I remember it vividly so many years later maybe had an effect.
01:04:25.000 Yeah, but is it a negative effect?
01:04:27.000 I don't know.
01:04:29.000 There's certain experiences that you can handle, like today, as an adult, you can see a movie where a guy gets shot and you can handle it.
01:04:37.000 Of course.
01:04:37.000 It doesn't freak you out.
01:04:38.000 But if you saw it when you were four, you'd probably freak out.
01:04:40.000 Yeah.
01:04:41.000 But is it good to experience that when you're four just so that you know it's a thing?
01:04:45.000 And now you have a different view of the world.
01:04:45.000 Yeah.
01:04:47.000 Or is it good, like, you're not a parent, but as a parent, this is the age-old question.
01:04:52.000 Like, how much do you protect your kids and how much do you let them break their arm?
01:04:55.000 Because you break your arm, you know if you fall, you break your arm.
01:04:59.000 Everybody's like helicopter parenting you constantly.
01:05:02.000 Like, I don't want anybody to die, but I don't mind if anybody gets banged up a little bit.
01:05:05.000 Right, right.
01:05:06.000 Because I think you should.
01:05:06.000 I think you should know that if you trip, it hurts.
01:05:09.000 Yeah.
01:05:09.000 You know?
01:05:10.000 And there's also, you should know that bullets are real.
01:05:13.000 This is a real thing that happens.
01:05:15.000 Like, with my kids, ever since...
01:05:15.000 Mm-hmm.
01:05:31.000 Uh-huh.
01:05:35.000 So then I introduced them to watching a hunting show with me, where we shot a deer and then took the deer apart.
01:05:44.000 They're watching us cut an elk apart.
01:05:47.000 My kid's watching this, and I'm like, well, this is where you get meat.
01:05:50.000 When we eat dinner, if we eat elk for dinner, this is exactly where it came from.
01:05:54.000 I shot it in the mountains, we cut it up, we packed it out on our back, we put it into a truck, we drove it somewhere, and now we're here.
01:06:02.000 Now we're eating it.
01:06:03.000 This is it.
01:06:03.000 Yeah.
01:06:04.000 I guess if you present it like that, that's, I would guess, is a good thing.
01:06:09.000 Maybe, but there's something weird about watching a little kid watch an animal get shot.
01:06:13.000 Where they're like...
01:06:14.000 Uh-huh.
01:06:15.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:06:16.000 And then they realize, my dad did that?
01:06:17.000 Is that good?
01:06:18.000 Is my dad a piece of shit?
01:06:22.000 Animals are so beautiful.
01:06:23.000 Well, animal's a hot dog.
01:06:25.000 You want a hot dog, right?
01:06:25.000 Your hot dog's a fucking animal.
01:06:27.000 And that's an animal.
01:06:27.000 Yeah.
01:06:28.000 Like, okay.
01:06:30.000 Because most kids just, it's a hot dog.
01:06:32.000 It's just a fucking cheeseburger.
01:06:33.000 It's not an actual animal.
01:06:35.000 Like, they kind of know.
01:06:37.000 Like, if you asked a little kid, hey, where'd this cheeseburger come from?
01:06:40.000 Oh, it's from a cow.
01:06:41.000 But that's like, to them, that's like saying, the moon is one-sixth Earth's gravity.
01:06:47.000 I know that.
01:06:48.000 I don't know what the fuck that means to me.
01:06:49.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:06:50.000 I don't have a real connection to it.
01:06:52.000 You can't apply it to anything.
01:06:54.000 So when do you show your kids?
01:06:58.000 There's a lot of videos that I watch while I close my laptop and the kids come near.
01:07:01.000 Like violent videos.
01:07:03.000 Especially like animals.
01:07:04.000 Like I was watching this video of these hyenas tearing apart this gazelle.
01:07:09.000 Oh, it's fucking horrific.
01:07:10.000 They're ripping the guts out, and yanking on the guts, and this thing is making these weird noises, like, and they're just pulling chunks of its guts out, yanking on it.
01:07:20.000 I'm like, fuck!
01:07:22.000 Fuck!
01:07:23.000 And then my, you know, my little girl comes over and I slam the, and she's like, what are you watching?
01:07:27.000 And I go, I'm watching the hyena rip apart a gazelle's guts.
01:07:30.000 She's like, oh, okay, I don't want to see you.
01:07:31.000 All right, yeah, yeah.
01:07:32.000 Well, yeah, so, but kind of what's the difference between that and showing you hunting?
01:07:40.000 Like, is there a...
01:07:42.000 That's one difference.
01:07:44.000 When I shoot an animal with a bow, it's dead in seconds.
01:07:49.000 With a well-placed shot, it's not going anywhere.
01:07:52.000 The last elk I shot, that one that's right out there on the floor in front of the werewolf, that thing died in five yards.
01:07:58.000 It walked five yards, tipped over, feet up in the air.
01:08:01.000 I shot it right in the heart.
01:08:03.000 It was a perfect shot.
01:08:05.000 It was almost instantaneous death.
01:08:08.000 It might have lived 15-20 seconds.
01:08:12.000 And that was it.
01:08:13.000 People, I don't know, people don't seem to be shocked that much anymore.
01:08:18.000 I know, you know, trying to keep it from your kids and things like that obviously makes sense, but it's almost impossible to keep some really horrific shit from people.
01:08:28.000 Well, especially if you give your kid a phone.
01:08:29.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:08:30.000 You're giving them access to a lot of nasty stuff.
01:08:33.000 And, like, I remember when I was a kid, the big thing was, like, faces of death.
01:08:40.000 You want to go get faces of death, man?
01:08:42.000 Well, watch it.
01:08:42.000 It's crazy.
01:08:43.000 Guys, they beat up a monkey and cut his head off and eat the brains and everything.
01:08:47.000 I'm like, yeah, that's kind of fake.
01:08:49.000 And you could tell the staged things.
01:08:50.000 And I think the only real stuff was...
01:08:53.000 Like news footage of airline disasters and accidents and stuff.
01:08:58.000 Well, there was one that was real where these guys somewhere in the Middle East tied this guy's arms to one car and his legs to another one and they pulled him apart.
01:09:09.000 I cannot, like, watch that shit.
01:09:12.000 It's terrible.
01:09:13.000 And now, in stunning HD, you can see, you know, snuff films years ago was kind of an urban myth, you know?
01:09:22.000 It was a thing.
01:09:23.000 Now they're readily available to anybody in a matter of seconds.
01:09:27.000 And I don't know what kind of effect that has on people and maybe society.
01:09:33.000 And there's really nothing you can do.
01:09:35.000 Pandora's, like, out.
01:09:36.000 So I think it's affecting people, though.
01:09:39.000 Oh, it's definitely...
01:09:40.000 I mean, that's the argument about video games as well, right?
01:09:40.000 Desensitizing.
01:09:43.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:09:43.000 We're seeing so much violence and committing violence in video games.
01:09:46.000 Like, Jamie, what was that video game where the guy got in trouble because he made a video of him torturing some women's rights?
01:09:56.000 Red Dead 2. He punched a woman in the face that was protesting for women's rights to vote.
01:10:06.000 Suffrage.
01:10:07.000 And...
01:10:08.000 And he got in trouble because he posted it and it was like a violent thing against women.
01:10:14.000 But it's a thing you can do in the game.
01:10:16.000 Right.
01:10:16.000 Like they made it in the game so you could do that on purpose.
01:10:19.000 And once it became viral, people started going up to her in the game and doing even more terrible things.
01:10:25.000 There's one where a guy ropes her, hog ties her, throws her on the back of the horse, rides her to a swamp, and throws her to an alligator, which then eats her in the swamp.
01:10:35.000 That is so crazy that you can do that.
01:10:37.000 It's unbelievable.
01:10:39.000 The alligator will eat.
01:10:40.000 And it's not even a thing like, hey, do this.
01:10:43.000 It's just part of the game that they say, well, if people want to do it, it's a very open-ended game.
01:10:47.000 Rockstar went bullshit with this game.
01:10:49.000 It's amazing.
01:10:50.000 Does it always happen the exact same way, or do you throw in different spots in the water, and the alligator has a different way of eating?
01:10:58.000 Yeah, there are different animations for the same thing.
01:11:02.000 Actually, there was one, you'll be riding next to a guy that you're supposed to ride somewhere with, and the guy says something like, all right, we're almost there, or something.
01:11:13.000 And if you're far away from the guy, he yells it.
01:11:16.000 Alright, we're almost there!
01:11:18.000 And if he's right next to you, he goes, well, we're almost there.
01:11:20.000 Like, the guy, the voice actor, had to do a shitload of takes based on what the animation is.
01:11:27.000 Well, I did the voiceover for the UFC game.
01:11:30.000 Right, yeah, yeah.
01:11:31.000 And it took four hours.
01:11:32.000 Forever.
01:11:33.000 I mean, forever.
01:11:34.000 You're there for days and days and days reading every single variation of a head kick to an arm bar to a takedown to a ground and pound to TKO stoppage to kicking someone in the nuts.
01:11:48.000 Like, everything.
01:11:49.000 And someone's gotta fucking put that together.
01:11:52.000 And then it's gotta be coded where it plays at the right time.
01:11:55.000 It really is amazing.
01:11:57.000 It's goddamn amazing.
01:12:00.000 I, um...
01:12:01.000 But Red Dead's like really insane.
01:12:04.000 Is this it?
01:12:05.000 There's a...
01:12:06.000 What is this?
01:12:06.000 This is the bear?
01:12:06.000 Yeah, this is a bear.
01:12:09.000 Oh, and this guy's just smoking a cigar.
01:12:11.000 Yeah!
01:12:13.000 Dude, it's so funny, the things that go on in this game, the ability to kill people.
01:12:19.000 I had Luis J. Gomez on the show, and he plays this, and there's like a morality direction you could take.
01:12:28.000 You could either be a good guy, a bad guy, really good, really bad, and it will affect the course of the game.
01:12:35.000 And whether you're wanted, whether people are nice to you.
01:12:38.000 Really?
01:12:39.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:12:40.000 Like, you could do a favor for somebody.
01:12:42.000 You'd be riding somewhere and someone would go, please, could you help me out?
01:12:44.000 Is this the women's rights activist?
01:12:46.000 Not her, but he's going to throw this lady off of the mountain.
01:12:49.000 And this is just some guy online has done this?
01:12:51.000 Oh, yeah.
01:12:52.000 I think this is the same YouTube guy.
01:12:54.000 He's got a lot of videos where he's doing different things.
01:12:56.000 Oh, geez.
01:12:57.000 Different things.
01:12:57.000 He fell.
01:12:58.000 Oh, he fell.
01:12:59.000 He fell himself.
01:13:00.000 He was trying to kick her off and he fell.
01:13:01.000 Oh, ha ha.
01:13:03.000 And Lewis apparently would kill everybody.
01:13:06.000 He killed a guy's dog and skinned it in front of him and then shot him in the face.
01:13:12.000 I'm like, that's really mean.
01:13:14.000 That's really mean.
01:13:15.000 He'd skin the dog in front of the guy?
01:13:16.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:13:17.000 And the guy's just, like, crying.
01:13:19.000 It's brutal.
01:13:19.000 It's crazy.
01:13:20.000 How, I mean, do you think that most politicians and most people looking for outrage are just not aware of this yet?
01:13:26.000 Yeah.
01:13:27.000 Absolutely not.
01:13:28.000 Years ago, they were kind of like, well, it must be violent video games.
01:13:31.000 And it was so funny, because, like, ten years after Doom, like, they're showing Doom on TV, like, oh, that's the bad video game.
01:13:38.000 It's like, Jesus Christ, that's nothing.
01:13:40.000 What are you talking about?
01:13:41.000 And now, like, uh, like I said.
01:13:44.000 Same guys.
01:13:44.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:13:45.000 Yeah, yeah, GTA. I did some of the voices in GTA 4 and 5. It was fucking hilarious.
01:13:45.000 Yeah.
01:13:50.000 So I know, yeah, to do that.
01:13:52.000 I sang some of the promotional songs for the beer, Pisswasser beer.
01:13:56.000 It was great.
01:13:57.000 I know Laszlo, who does all the sound for the games.
01:14:00.000 But this thing sold like $750 million in the first three days that it came out.
01:14:07.000 What happens if you bring a black man to the KKK? They have fucking KKK rallies now?
01:14:07.000 What is this, Jamie?
01:14:13.000 There's a Klan rally going on.
01:14:13.000 Yeah, there's a part of the game where you have to infiltrate.
01:14:16.000 So what happens when you bring a black guy?
01:14:18.000 Nothing different happened, really.
01:14:19.000 The clan?
01:14:20.000 No.
01:14:21.000 They don't freak out?
01:14:21.000 Not in particular.
01:14:23.000 They didn't react any differently.
01:14:24.000 But the job, I think the mission here is to just kill all the clan guys.
01:14:28.000 It's not like you join up and all have a good time.
01:14:30.000 It seems like it would be more realistic as if you brought a black guy to the clan, meaning they try to kill the black guy.
01:14:37.000 Right, right.
01:14:38.000 But that would be real problematic.
01:14:39.000 That would be crazy.
01:14:40.000 There are some weird parts in it where they're very misogynistic, because it's supposed to be like 1899 or something, and it's very misogynistic, and then there's some race references that they make that are kind of like, oof, oof, wow, that's bold.
01:14:55.000 Like, what do they say?
01:14:57.000 About black guys, like, they'll call him boy in some of the, when a guy, like a non-player character will pass by and be kind of nasty.
01:15:05.000 And they never present it in a good way.
01:15:08.000 It's not like, you know, oh, cool, this guy's great.
01:15:10.000 It's always some scumbag character.
01:15:12.000 Wow.
01:15:13.000 Yeah.
01:15:14.000 Video games are...
01:15:15.000 It's like the last frontier for chaos right now.
01:15:18.000 Yeah, it really is.
01:15:19.000 And I think because there's such a lack of awareness on the part of a lot of people.
01:15:24.000 Like, I get games the day they come out.
01:15:26.000 Actually, before.
01:15:27.000 I get alpha testing, beta testing.
01:15:30.000 I'm playing the games months before they come out.
01:15:33.000 Yeah, I love it.
01:15:33.000 Really?
01:15:34.000 How do you get in on that?
01:15:36.000 You sign up for the ultimate package on Origin or Steam, and you get access to the games when they're testing them.
01:15:45.000 Oh, so you just pay?
01:15:46.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:15:47.000 It's a pay thing, obviously.
01:15:48.000 They want to make some money, and I want to play the games early.
01:15:52.000 So you report bugs and things like that?
01:15:54.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:15:55.000 You just play.
01:15:56.000 They automatically kind of have something in place that will let them know if there's a problem.
01:16:01.000 Or you can email them and say, hey, I died and I'm stuck in a rock now up to my waist.
01:16:07.000 Yeah.
01:16:07.000 Have you ever talked to some of the people that make those things?
01:16:09.000 You ever have them on your show?
01:16:10.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:16:11.000 Laszlo works at Rockstar.
01:16:13.000 He's the sound engineer guy.
01:16:14.000 He records all the sound, but he's involved in every aspect of all those games from the beginning of Grand Theft Auto, the first Red Dead, Red Dead 2, and it's amazing.
01:16:25.000 I've been to Rockstar in New York and took a tour of the place, and it's just a bunch of...
01:16:31.000 Fucking nerds sitting around.
01:16:33.000 They have a day where you can bring your dogs in and it's all wide open.
01:16:37.000 No cubicles or anything.
01:16:39.000 The guys that run it are these English guys and they're brilliant or New Zealand or something.
01:16:45.000 They have that accent.
01:16:47.000 One of those weird accents that you can't tell where it's from.
01:16:49.000 They work insane hours, too.
01:16:51.000 Yeah, they are dedicated.
01:16:54.000 A game like a Rockstar game, GTA or that, it's so above other games.
01:17:03.000 I've played some shitty games where I download it, I start playing, and within five minutes I'm like, ah, fuck, this sucks.
01:17:10.000 You know it sucks.
01:17:12.000 And Rockstar Games are just...
01:17:14.000 It sounds like I'm doing a spot for them, but they're so above everything else.
01:17:19.000 The animation, the sandbox quality where you're able to just run around and do shit.
01:17:25.000 That's an appeal.
01:17:26.000 People don't like feeling like they're on a track in a game.
01:17:30.000 And certain games are like that.
01:17:32.000 Call of Duty is very track-based.
01:17:36.000 You play online a lot against other people.
01:17:39.000 They're small maps.
01:17:40.000 But a game like that, you could just go off.
01:17:42.000 If you want to, you could just spend time fishing.
01:17:45.000 Like, you could just get tackle and go to a lake and fish.
01:17:49.000 You catch fish.
01:17:49.000 And you catch fish?
01:17:51.000 Yeah, you catch fish.
01:17:53.000 You could spend eight hours just catching fish.
01:17:54.000 Just fishing, hunting.
01:17:56.000 I've heard that.
01:17:56.000 You could go out and hunt.
01:17:57.000 You track like the bear, and that motherfucker, you saw it, can get you.
01:18:02.000 I love games like that, though.
01:18:03.000 I love open-ended games.
01:18:04.000 I always liked that shit.
01:18:06.000 Even when I was back in the 80s, We're good to go.
01:18:27.000 Right.
01:18:48.000 How much time do you spend playing video games?
01:18:50.000 Dude.
01:18:50.000 Because now I'm getting the impression.
01:18:52.000 It's insane.
01:18:54.000 There have been days where I have, weekends or something, where I have played from maybe 2pm till 3am.
01:19:02.000 Like 12, 13 hours of playing.
01:19:06.000 No eating?
01:19:08.000 Yeah, yeah, I'll eat.
01:19:09.000 Have a little snack.
01:19:10.000 A little snack.
01:19:11.000 I'll order something, or Missy will make something.
01:19:15.000 She's playing video games too, though.
01:19:17.000 Like, I'll be playing on the computer that's in front of me on the table I was talking about in the living room, and then on the big screen TV, which is in front of me on the wall, she's sitting in like a folding chair with a TV tray playing Red Dead Redemption on the Xbox.
01:19:31.000 So we're just kind of...
01:19:33.000 Occasionally look back and go, how you doing?
01:19:35.000 Oh, you gotta see this.
01:19:36.000 Great kill.
01:19:37.000 There's a video, a funny video of a couple engaging in virtual reality and they're having sex and the girl's blowing the guy and in the video Joey Diaz comes in the room and starts talking to the guy's dick.
01:19:48.000 Oh shit!
01:19:50.000 I think it was a TV show.
01:19:51.000 That's hilarious.
01:19:52.000 Was it on a TV show?
01:19:53.000 Well, there is VR porn.
01:19:56.000 Have you checked that out?
01:19:57.000 I haven't.
01:19:57.000 It's really interesting.
01:20:00.000 There is some that is pretty amazing.
01:20:04.000 Like, a girl will come up.
01:20:07.000 Like, you're laying on your back.
01:20:09.000 And a girl is in the room.
01:20:10.000 She takes her clothes off and comes up on you and gets right by your ear and, like, whispers something.
01:20:17.000 And you hear it, you almost feel the breath on you.
01:20:21.000 It's that fucking crazy.
01:20:23.000 And you feel like you can reach and touch, but there's no one there.
01:20:28.000 And again, you can't even get close to showing what it's like on a regular flat screen.
01:20:32.000 But when you put that in, it's a real space, it's 3D, and they look pretty real.
01:20:38.000 Aside from the resolution difference, because when you magnify something that close to your eyes, the pixels get bigger too, so...
01:20:47.000 It's not quite there, but you can see where that's going.
01:20:50.000 You get that and one of those fucking fleshlights.
01:20:54.000 You don't have to leave home.
01:20:56.000 I used a really early version of the HTC Vive many years ago.
01:21:01.000 Duncan had one.
01:21:02.000 My friend Duncan Trussell had one in his house, and it was really pixelated.
01:21:06.000 And it was very strange.
01:21:07.000 It was just a real simple game, and it was real blocky looking.
01:21:11.000 It looked like old Doom or something like that.
01:21:14.000 But it was in...
01:21:15.000 Complete three dimensions.
01:21:16.000 And so I was looking up and looking all around.
01:21:18.000 I was like, wow, this is kind of crazy.
01:21:20.000 And then I went back to his place like two years later, and there had been a gigantic leap and improvement.
01:21:25.000 And now the leap is sort of balanced out.
01:21:28.000 It hasn't gotten that much better yet.
01:21:31.000 Right, yet.
01:21:32.000 There are a few games that I love playing on the Oculus because it's like flying games are incredible.
01:21:32.000 Yeah.
01:21:42.000 And if you have a really good system with, I have like dual 1080 Ti graphics cards.
01:21:50.000 One of them is insane to have.
01:21:52.000 And my system has two of them.
01:21:54.000 So I could run everything on Ultra.
01:21:56.000 So do you prefer videos on a computer?
01:21:59.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:22:00.000 I prefer a PC, but I'll play on Xbox and stuff.
01:22:04.000 It's pretty cool.
01:22:05.000 I'm terrible with a controller.
01:22:07.000 Yeah, that's the problem.
01:22:08.000 A mouse and a keyboard are so much more precise.
01:22:10.000 Yeah, I always say, if anyone ever argues, I go, I've never missed a folder on my desktop.
01:22:16.000 I've never gone, oh shit, I missed it.
01:22:19.000 But there's something called a Zim Apex.
01:22:24.000 That you plug into an Xbox or a PlayStation and then plug keyboard and mouse into it, you're running on Xbox with a keyboard and mouse.
01:22:33.000 And it's so good.
01:22:35.000 I destroy people when I play on that.
01:22:38.000 Of course.
01:22:39.000 You have so much more accuracy.
01:22:40.000 So much more accuracy and you're just quicker reflexes.
01:22:44.000 Yeah, because I came from the online video game days of the early 2000s and the 90s.
01:22:50.000 Like, it was always computers.
01:22:52.000 Yeah, mouse and keyboard was it.
01:22:54.000 Console was for babies.
01:22:56.000 Well, they weren't good back then.
01:22:56.000 Yeah.
01:22:58.000 No, no.
01:22:59.000 The accuracy was terrible.
01:23:00.000 Yeah, when I play some of the combat flying games, they have things now that you look like you're in the cockpit of a plane.
01:23:10.000 All the gauges work.
01:23:12.000 They have reflections of light coming through.
01:23:14.000 I mean, the ground looks amazing.
01:23:16.000 And in VR, when you pull the stick back and turn, because I use a joystick and a throttle, it's amazing.
01:23:24.000 You can look over your shoulder, and now you're seeing your wing and the ground, and you're pulling back, and you get dizzy.
01:23:31.000 Like, you get so fucking dizzy.
01:23:34.000 And crashes are startling.
01:23:38.000 Like, if you lose control and you plow into the ground, you kind of jump.
01:23:43.000 Wow.
01:23:44.000 I think it's that primal part of your head going, like, accepting what it's seeing.
01:24:03.000 Wow.
01:24:05.000 Wow.
01:24:10.000 And he was doing loop-de-loops in the sky and shit.
01:24:12.000 Yeah, he's like, let's see if we could do a loop.
01:24:14.000 And he was saying, I'm going to kill myself, right?
01:24:16.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.
01:24:16.000 He's like, yeah, I think I'll try to do a loop and then nose it in and call it a day.
01:24:22.000 He's like, what a maniac.
01:24:24.000 But the fact that he could get access and take off like that is kind of scary.
01:24:28.000 Whoops.
01:24:29.000 We all think everything's so secure.
01:24:32.000 Remember when we thought there were missiles on the roof of the White House and the Pentagon and stuff?
01:24:36.000 And then after 9-11, you're like, yeah, I guess not.
01:24:39.000 Yeah, I guess that was all bullshit.
01:24:40.000 The actual Pentagon got hit.
01:24:42.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:24:43.000 By a fucking plane.
01:24:43.000 By a plane.
01:24:45.000 Although, now you're going to get a lot of people writing.
01:24:48.000 Was it a plane, bro?
01:24:49.000 It was a missile.
01:24:49.000 Was it?
01:24:50.000 Everyone knows it.
01:24:51.000 You're a gatekeeper.
01:24:52.000 Yeah.
01:24:53.000 You're a shill.
01:24:54.000 You're a shill for the...
01:24:55.000 You, um...
01:24:58.000 Who does your show that is a flat earther?
01:25:01.000 Eddie Bravo.
01:25:02.000 Eddie Bravo.
01:25:02.000 That's it.
01:25:03.000 I don't know if he's still a flat earther.
01:25:04.000 He might have abandoned it.
01:25:05.000 He might have moved on.
01:25:07.000 What do you think?
01:25:08.000 Think he's still?
01:25:09.000 Yeah.
01:25:10.000 He thought the earth is a dis...
01:25:11.000 Maybe he said...
01:25:13.000 I don't want to misinterpret what he's saying.
01:25:13.000 I think...
01:25:15.000 I don't want to misrepresent.
01:25:16.000 I think he was saying he doesn't know, but he doesn't believe NASA. Because it's only someone's word over history.
01:25:25.000 Eddie likes that.
01:25:26.000 He thinks it's fun.
01:25:28.000 He thinks conspiracies are fun.
01:25:29.000 Well, they are.
01:25:30.000 They are kind of fun.
01:25:32.000 But that Flat Earth one, I realized I was arguing with Flat Earthers on Twitter, and that's when I really started going like, what am I doing?
01:25:39.000 What am I doing?
01:25:41.000 Why am I engaging that?
01:25:42.000 That is like the dumbest version of I Know You Are But What Am I for the rest of time.
01:25:47.000 Yes.
01:25:47.000 That's how stupid that argument is.
01:25:49.000 It's crazy.
01:25:51.000 I was arguing with somebody and then I had my show to do and Neil deGrasse Tyson was taping his show in my studio before I came on.
01:26:00.000 So he was in the lobby when I was in our green room when I was on and I start talking about it and I go, you know, let's get someone in here maybe that might have a...
01:26:11.000 An opinion on this.
01:26:12.000 Neil deGrasse dies to come in.
01:26:14.000 And apparently he gets shit all the time from flat earthers saying that he's full of shit.
01:26:19.000 Do you know it all started off as a goof?
01:26:21.000 It had to, just like everything else.
01:26:23.000 But it started off on 4chan.
01:26:25.000 Yeah.
01:26:25.000 Did it?
01:26:26.000 Like free bleeding?
01:26:27.000 Yes, exactly.
01:26:29.000 Which is hilarious.
01:26:30.000 Explain that to people who don't know.
01:26:32.000 Free bleeding is a woman's rights thing, and instead of using a tampon during their period or a pad, they just bleed through their pants and show it proudly, that they will walk around bleeding.
01:26:44.000 And it was never real.
01:26:45.000 It was never a real thing.
01:26:46.000 And then people...
01:26:50.000 We're good to go.
01:27:10.000 It's insane!
01:27:12.000 It's crazy!
01:27:13.000 It just shows you how easily manipulated people are.
01:27:15.000 There's so many things that happen like that on 4chan that turn out to be goofs.
01:27:19.000 They start out as goofs.
01:27:21.000 Well, listen.
01:27:23.000 We were talking about this last time I was with you.
01:27:25.000 The Proud Boys started off as a goof And then became, like, they won't let him in Australia now.
01:27:33.000 No, it's gotten insane.
01:27:33.000 Have you seen that?
01:27:36.000 Yeah.
01:27:37.000 Like, Gavin is considered, like, a war criminal at this point.
01:27:41.000 I know Gavin very well.
01:27:43.000 He used to be on Compound Media, my network, and that's where the whole thing started.
01:27:49.000 Explain how it all started, because people don't know.
01:27:53.000 It's amazing when you think about it because it makes you question everything.
01:27:57.000 Like how did Nazi Germany start?
01:28:00.000 Was that a joke?
01:28:01.000 Was that like Stalinism and everything in Russia?
01:28:04.000 Gavin had a show, very outrageous.
01:28:07.000 Gavin is one of these, just a funny, outrageous guy.
01:28:11.000 His whole career has been based on satire and parody and all that.
01:28:14.000 Yes, he's very much a provocateur.
01:28:16.000 Right.
01:28:16.000 Provocator, absolutely.
01:28:18.000 Loves doing that.
01:28:18.000 Yeah, loves shaking people up.
01:28:19.000 It's hard to find out how he really feels and when he's playing games.
01:28:24.000 Right.
01:28:24.000 It's very blurry.
01:28:25.000 Absolutely.
01:28:26.000 So we had this employee, Ben Ratner.
01:28:30.000 Little kid.
01:28:31.000 We actually hired him just because his name was Ratner and we wanted to call him Rat, like in Fast Times.
01:28:37.000 Hey Rat, why don't you turn on the camera?
01:28:40.000 So it was great.
01:28:43.000 Rat never talked about girls.
01:28:46.000 He's like this really Jewish, red hair, kind of gangly kid.
01:28:52.000 And he liked going to Broadway shows and things.
01:28:56.000 We always questioned his sexuality and whatnot.
01:28:59.000 And Gavin really started hitting on him going, what are you doing?
01:29:03.000 Like, get laid.
01:29:04.000 A kid your age should be out there just fucking plowing through pussy.
01:29:08.000 Yeah.
01:29:08.000 And he's like, you know, waiting for the right girl and everything.
01:29:12.000 So Gavin would continuously goof on him.
01:29:14.000 So he would always go to Broadway plays.
01:29:17.000 So Gavin started getting music from musicals and playing it to him.
01:29:23.000 Like, hey, look at this, you pussy.
01:29:24.000 You know, is this what you like?
01:29:26.000 And one of them was Proud of Your Boy.
01:29:28.000 It's a Broadway, a song from a musical, a Disney musical, I believe.
01:29:33.000 And it's like, oh, proud of your boy.
01:29:36.000 It's one of those big, grandiose Broadway pieces of shit.
01:29:40.000 I can't stand that stuff, man.
01:29:42.000 I hate it.
01:29:43.000 It's so confusing.
01:29:44.000 It's terrible.
01:29:44.000 Oh, it is.
01:29:46.000 So we goofed on about that and then said, we ought to make a club called The Proud Boys, and that way you can learn how to be a man.
01:29:56.000 And you'll get chicks and tattoos and drink beer and hang out with guys.
01:30:04.000 As a joke.
01:30:05.000 It was like this parody of a men's club.
01:30:08.000 And so over the top that it was like, I think part of the way to get beaten into this gang, this club, was that you had to recite five breakfast cereals while the other members punched you.
01:30:21.000 And they would keep punching you until you spit out.
01:30:23.000 So ludicrous.
01:30:24.000 So ridiculous.
01:30:25.000 Such a parody.
01:30:28.000 And slowly this fucking thing mutated into something.
01:30:33.000 It got more members.
01:30:35.000 They started wearing...
01:30:37.000 What are those shirts with the yellow piping on the collar?
01:30:42.000 It's a specific shirt that became the uniform.
01:30:46.000 Perry Ellis.
01:30:47.000 Perry Ellis shirts.
01:30:49.000 A specific black shirt with gold piping on the collar and the sleeves.
01:30:55.000 And that became like the uniform.
01:30:58.000 And because it was presented as a chauvinistic club, like girls are allowed, minorities are allowed, it doesn't matter who we are, but in essence it is a guy thing and we will talk shit about girls and we're gonna drink and get laid and it's just a men thing.
01:31:16.000 So they started getting together at bars, you know, in the area in Manhattan.
01:31:20.000 And how is this organized?
01:31:22.000 This is organized through his Compound Media show?
01:31:24.000 Through the Compound Media show and his own Twitter account and Facebook, which he subsequently lost.
01:31:31.000 He's persona non grata on social media.
01:31:34.000 But that's how it started.
01:31:36.000 And it never was supposed to go any further than that.
01:31:40.000 Gavin himself didn't really take it any further than that.
01:31:44.000 It's just, let's get together every so often.
01:31:46.000 We have a good time.
01:31:47.000 We drink, laugh, everything like that.
01:31:49.000 Well, then...
01:31:50.000 This whole thing with politics got involved because Antifa, which is anti-fascist, started coming into conservatives that wanted to speak.
01:32:03.000 So Gavin was a conservative, is a conservative.
01:32:05.000 He'd get speaking engagements at schools, NYU, or any numerous places around New York City.
01:32:13.000 And Antifa would show up to protest him and try to shut down the event.
01:32:20.000 Would go and protect Gavin.
01:32:23.000 So he wouldn't get harmed doing these speaking engagements.
01:32:28.000 So then it turned into this, because they're fighting with Antifa, they must be the fa, the fascists, the Nazis.
01:32:37.000 And once that gets out there, there's no pulling it back.
01:32:41.000 You could try to explain how you're not a Nazi until you're blue in the fucking face.
01:32:46.000 It ain't going away.
01:32:47.000 And especially because it's a good story.
01:32:49.000 The press likes it.
01:32:51.000 It's this good versus evil thing.
01:32:52.000 They present Antifa like they're protesters.
01:32:55.000 They always call them.
01:32:56.000 And the protesters were beaten.
01:32:58.000 They're fucking violent, a violent group of people that are there to hit people they don't agree with and silence people that want to speak.
01:33:05.000 And that's exactly what happened with Gavin and Coulter and Milo Yiannopoulos.
01:33:12.000 Ben Shapiro, a lot of these conservative people can't go to these venues and speak.
01:33:17.000 They get shut down because of a violent group of people called Antifa.
01:33:21.000 So Proud Boys were kind of the answer to that so Gavin could go around and actually speak.
01:33:28.000 Well, when that happened, more people came on board because they kind of liked to beat people up.
01:33:34.000 When you have a gang, a group of people, and one of their missions is now to beat up people you don't agree with politically?
01:33:42.000 Well, there was tears.
01:33:42.000 Well, that's...
01:33:43.000 There was tiers to the membership, like the highest tier was you fought for the cause.
01:33:47.000 Right, right.
01:33:48.000 You had to actually get in a fist fight.
01:33:49.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:33:49.000 Which I'm sure Gavin thought, was like, I've talked to Gavin.
01:33:52.000 I like Gavin.
01:33:53.000 I've had Gavin on the podcast.
01:33:54.000 And the last time I had him on, I didn't know what this whole thing was.
01:33:54.000 Yeah.
01:33:58.000 Right.
01:33:59.000 And so he was explaining the Proud Boys, and he was talking to me about, we're going to punch them.
01:34:02.000 We're going to punch people.
01:34:03.000 And I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
01:34:03.000 Yeah.
01:34:05.000 And I was like, you can't just punch people.
01:34:08.000 They punch back, and then they get mad that you punched them, and they shoot you when you get out of your car.
01:34:13.000 Right, right.
01:34:14.000 This escalates.
01:34:15.000 People don't just take it.
01:34:16.000 Well, it was never supposed to be an offensive punching.
01:34:21.000 When I would speak to Gavin, and every example I would see, it was an answer to violence.
01:34:25.000 They would have violence perpetrated on them, they answered with violence.
01:34:27.000 But the problem is, you can take it out of context, and all people needed to say is, he's calling for violence.
01:34:32.000 And that's what they've said about Gavin over and over again, taking things out of context and using it as an example.
01:34:32.000 That's it.
01:34:38.000 The other problem being that the Antifa people are a lot of skinny dudes and chicks with masks on and they are not really that adept at fighting.
01:34:50.000 There's a horrible video of this one Antifa guy tries to hit someone with what looks like some kind of a stick or a pipe and the guy catches it and fucking blasts him on the chin.
01:35:00.000 He fucking put him down.
01:35:02.000 And his head bounces off the concrete unconscious, which is how a lot of people die.
01:35:07.000 Yeah, yeah, exactly.
01:35:08.000 That's how people die in fights.
01:35:09.000 Like, oh, he killed him with his bare hands.
01:35:10.000 Yeah, he hit his fucking head.
01:35:11.000 Yeah, he hit his head on the concrete.
01:35:13.000 You get hit by the world.
01:35:14.000 It's literally the world.
01:35:16.000 Right, right.
01:35:17.000 It's not going to budge.
01:35:19.000 Gravity has punched you in the back of the head.
01:35:21.000 Yeah, so...
01:35:22.000 Yes.
01:35:22.000 These people have this idea that they're going to go places, they're going to shut everybody down, and because they're in a group, they're going to scream and yell and hit people with bike locks and all this stuff that we've all seen.
01:35:33.000 The weird thing is that that's from the left.
01:35:35.000 That was never from the left before.
01:35:37.000 When I was a kid, I grew up from age 7-11 during the Vietnam War.
01:35:42.000 I lived in San Francisco.
01:35:43.000 And I was around the real hippies.
01:35:45.000 And I remember being a little kid in my formative times.
01:35:48.000 They were flower children.
01:35:50.000 The hippies and the lefties were love and peace and no violence.
01:35:56.000 And everyone was doing acid.
01:35:58.000 And now they're all on Adderall and they're hitting people with bike locks.
01:36:03.000 It's a different thing.
01:36:05.000 There was a time where the liberals, the hippies, they were the ones...
01:36:11.000 That when there would be a demonstration and the National Guard would show up, they'd be putting flowers in the barrels of the guns.
01:36:17.000 There are famous pictures of that.
01:36:18.000 And then Kent State was a bunch of hippies literally getting shot by the National Guard.
01:36:26.000 That has completely flipped around.
01:36:28.000 It's the weirdest thing.
01:36:30.000 And I don't know how it got distinguished where Proud Boys became this evil...
01:36:36.000 It's a good group of people, and Antifa is the good group of people.
01:36:40.000 Now, I understand that Proud Boys were infiltrated by white nationalists, Nazi, white supremacists, whatever it is, but those were constantly being disavowed by Gavin.
01:36:51.000 Gavin never wanted any of that happening.
01:36:54.000 How do you get in, though?
01:36:57.000 Here's the question.
01:36:58.000 You saw my last comedy special.
01:37:00.000 This is my criticism about vegans.
01:37:02.000 It's not that there's anything wrong with being a vegan.
01:37:06.000 Right.
01:37:06.000 It's that when you have a group where anybody can join, you're gonna get a certain amount of fucking idiots.
01:37:12.000 If you have a million people, for sure, you have a hundred thousand fucking idiots.
01:37:12.000 Right.
01:37:17.000 Yes.
01:37:17.000 There's no getting around that.
01:37:19.000 So if you have a group where anybody can join and you have a million people in that group, you're gonna have a hundred thousand fucking idiots.
01:37:19.000 Yeah.
01:37:26.000 Fucking idiots.
01:37:27.000 And those people are gonna define your group.
01:37:28.000 The worst behavior in that group is where people are gonna call to as an example.
01:37:32.000 That's it.
01:37:33.000 I think this is also a symptom of the social media era today, especially with Twitter, because you can't express yourself and explain things in 140 or 280 characters.
01:37:43.000 It just takes too much time.
01:37:44.000 So they can say, oh, Proud Boys, racist, scumbag, Nazi, Gavin.
01:37:49.000 And they're like, oh, he's a racist, scumbag, Nazi.
01:37:51.000 And then all of a sudden, that's the narrative.
01:37:52.000 And everybody keeps pushing it.
01:37:53.000 And you see the videos of people punching little skinny people.
01:37:56.000 Oh, look at these people.
01:37:57.000 They beat up the Antifa.
01:37:58.000 These fucking assholes.
01:38:00.000 And Gavin's an asshole.
01:38:02.000 Yeah, that's what it comes down to.
01:38:04.000 I've seen it presented, well, you ask how it starts and how it grows and how you become a member, by buying a fucking shirt.
01:38:12.000 By buying a Perry Ellis shirt and opening a chapter.
01:38:12.000 That's it.
01:38:15.000 Dude, there are chapters worldwide.
01:38:18.000 You see it.
01:38:19.000 It's like, here's the Proud Boys Australia.
01:38:22.000 Here's the Proud Boys England.
01:38:23.000 Proud Boys fucking Japan.
01:38:25.000 Like, it's everywhere.
01:38:27.000 And it never was supposed to get to that point.
01:38:30.000 And regardless of how these people act...
01:38:34.000 It now reflects on Gavin, even though he wanted to hang out in a bar with a few people, do his public speaking without being hassled, and that's it.
01:38:44.000 And I see the way the media manipulates things.
01:38:47.000 I've been party to it myself.
01:38:49.000 And I've seen Gavin presented in photos where you look and go, holy fuck, it's Hitler.
01:38:56.000 Like, they get him...
01:38:57.000 There's one picture of Gavin that I was petrified by.
01:38:59.000 He's got his arms folded, he's got a scowl on his face, that hair, you know, the short on the side, long on the top, and he's looking like he's angry.
01:39:08.000 And I'm like, that...
01:39:09.000 That's not the guy that him and his wife, who's American Indian, by the way.
01:39:13.000 His wife's American Indian.
01:39:14.000 He's got beautiful kids that come over my house and use the pool and we hang out and barbecue.
01:39:19.000 I'm like, that's not that guy.
01:39:21.000 No one knows that guy from the paper.
01:39:24.000 They're getting this impression.
01:39:25.000 He's a really nice guy.
01:39:28.000 He's generous, just a really cool guy to hang out with.
01:39:32.000 And What you see them do in the media is just crazy, especially when you know he didn't invent some goddamn Nazi group.
01:39:41.000 He was just trying to have a little outrageous fun, and it ran from him.
01:39:46.000 It got away from him.
01:39:47.000 The origin of it, though, the way you're describing it, that is fucking fantastic.
01:39:51.000 Isn't that nuts to think?
01:39:52.000 It's crazy that that is what...
01:39:55.000 I mean, that emerged.
01:39:55.000 Presented it.
01:39:57.000 It's a goof.
01:39:58.000 It came out of that.
01:39:59.000 We fuck with Rat all the time because we go, can you believe the inspiration for the Proud Boys is this little Jewish kid?
01:40:07.000 Where is that guy?
01:40:08.000 Is there a photo of him online?
01:40:09.000 Oh, I'm sure there is.
01:40:11.000 Pull it up.
01:40:11.000 Get the photo.
01:40:12.000 Rat.
01:40:13.000 Compound Media Rat.
01:40:14.000 You'll probably find him.
01:40:16.000 How much does this weird you out, though, that Compound Media was the source of all this?
01:40:19.000 It is weird.
01:40:21.000 Like, and it's one of those things you worry about.
01:40:23.000 Like, I don't want to then be tied, because I know how it works.
01:40:27.000 I love Gavin, but I don't want to be tied to the Proud Boys at this point.
01:40:31.000 You know, I got my own fucking problems through history.
01:40:34.000 I don't need any more piled on me.
01:40:37.000 Well, what was that thing that I'd sent you that, here he is.
01:40:39.000 There he is.
01:40:40.000 There he is.
01:40:40.000 Wow.
01:40:41.000 That's a rat, I guess that was Halloween.
01:40:43.000 That's a spiffy suit.
01:40:43.000 Look at you.
01:40:45.000 That was, I was the mayor from Jaws.
01:40:47.000 Oh.
01:40:48.000 Mayor Vaughn, I was for Halloween.
01:40:50.000 That's awesome.
01:40:50.000 Ha ha ha.
01:40:52.000 That's the guy that started the Proud Boys.
01:40:53.000 He started the Proud Boys.
01:40:55.000 That is so crazy.
01:40:56.000 He looks like a 1938 propaganda poster.
01:40:59.000 He's a little cutie.
01:41:00.000 He looks like he's in a Norman Rockwell painting.
01:41:01.000 That's it.
01:41:02.000 He should be there with like a guy who's handing him an apple pie.
01:41:05.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:41:06.000 And that's the face of the new Nazi movement.
01:41:11.000 See, I think there's a lot of mistakes were made.
01:41:14.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:41:15.000 But Gavin's made some mistakes, and his whole thing of...
01:41:22.000 Blurring the lines between parody and honesty.
01:41:26.000 He thinks it's fun.
01:41:27.000 It's very punk rock.
01:41:29.000 Last time he was on the podcast, which was a few years back, he came on dressed like Michael Douglas from Falling Down.
01:41:35.000 He had a briefcase, he brought the short-sleeved He dresses like that all the time now.
01:41:40.000 He goes around.
01:41:41.000 I just did a Skype interview with him yesterday, two days ago, from the hotel room.
01:41:47.000 And yeah, he's got the pocket protector and the pens and the glasses.
01:41:50.000 Yeah, like falling down.
01:41:52.000 He thinks it's funny.
01:41:52.000 Well, people need to understand, and this is true, he is the godfather of the hipsters.
01:41:58.000 Yeah, you put in Godfather of Hipsters in Google, he comes up.
01:42:02.000 All of that wardrobe that guys are wearing, they look like they're wearing old-timey suits with the skinny ties, that's Gavin McGinnis.
01:42:10.000 He literally started that fashion trend in Williamsburg, and it took off from there.
01:42:15.000 The hipster dress, the way people would dress with those weird mustaches and all that shit, that literally came out of Gavin.
01:42:22.000 Gavin, which is amazing.
01:42:24.000 The motherfucker is...
01:42:26.000 He is like a...
01:42:28.000 There's something magnetic about the guy.
01:42:32.000 He is what a cult leader is.
01:42:34.000 He could just start a cult.
01:42:36.000 Which, in essence, by accident, he did.
01:42:40.000 Between the hipsters and then this, he's one of those guys like, Gavin, why didn't you start a cult where you get to fuck the people's wives?
01:42:48.000 Like that kind of cult.
01:42:50.000 Why do you go with it?
01:42:51.000 Well, he also did some really good interviews online.
01:42:55.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:42:55.000 Where he would trick these leftists into sitting down with him in interviews, and then along the way, they were having this conversation, it would be exposed that he didn't agree with them at all, and they were trapped.
01:43:08.000 Like, this hardcore feminist got trapped with him, and a couple other people got trapped in this room with him, and they realized, like, some of the line of questioning and the way he's approaching things, like, oh my god, like, He's an interesting guy.
01:43:21.000 He's very interesting.
01:43:22.000 And outside of this Proud Boys thing, if you never invented that and never did any of that, he would be doing great.
01:43:28.000 Yeah, although he had a problem with one of his own companies that he made after Vice.
01:43:33.000 They bought him out of Vice because...
01:43:37.000 Shane turned more liberal and they weren't really meshing anymore over their advice, so they kind of just bought out Gavin.
01:43:47.000 He got a lot of money and decided to do his own thing.
01:43:49.000 He had an advertising firm, I guess it was, and then he got the boot from that for making transgender comments.
01:43:59.000 Well, he was talking about how transgender people have mental health issues.
01:44:02.000 Mental health issues.
01:44:02.000 And he was bringing up all these...
01:44:04.000 Here's the problem.
01:44:05.000 He was...
01:44:06.000 He was saying some things that are correct.
01:44:09.000 Yeah.
01:44:10.000 Interspersed with, again, parody and sarcasm.
01:44:13.000 But in his mind, this is something you can talk about where it was in the public's eye, particularly during the Caitlyn Jenner whole thing, people had decided that transgender was amazing.
01:44:25.000 It's beautiful.
01:44:25.000 It's amazing.
01:44:26.000 She's incredible.
01:44:27.000 And he was saying, no, these are people that are mentally ill.
01:44:29.000 And there's a website that he was pointing to.
01:44:32.000 I think it's called Transgender Regrets or something like that.
01:44:35.000 Where they have all these stories of all these men who turn into women and then turn back to men again.
01:44:35.000 Yeah.
01:44:40.000 Now they don't have dicks.
01:44:41.000 Oh, Jesus.
01:44:42.000 And they have to take testosterone injections and they hate their life.
01:44:45.000 And there's some of them who did it when they were in their 60s and now they're in their 70s and trying to be a man again.
01:44:50.000 And that gender dysphoria was thought to be a mental health issue.
01:44:56.000 Like anorexia, like a lot of other...
01:44:59.000 Right.
01:44:59.000 There's body dysphoria.
01:45:00.000 People have...
01:45:03.000 Weird, you know, bodybuilders get it.
01:45:05.000 They never think they're big enough.
01:45:07.000 People have like weird perceptions of their physical presence and their being.
01:45:12.000 And some, I had a psychologist, Dr. Debra So, who was discussing late onset gender dysphoria in autistic girls.
01:45:20.000 That autistic teenage girls, they don't feel like they fit in and people can convince them that they're actually a man.
01:45:25.000 And so a lot of them start taking hormones and going through transition and then have massive regrets.
01:45:25.000 Wow.
01:45:32.000 And then unfortunately for women, especially when you're a teenager and you're going through puberty and you take hormones, you literally start developing male features.
01:45:41.000 Your face gets harder and thicker and wider.
01:45:43.000 Your shoulders get bigger.
01:45:45.000 Like the whole deal.
01:45:46.000 Your hands, your clit grows the size of a thumb.
01:45:49.000 So you make these irreversible changes.
01:45:52.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:45:54.000 You just described Jim Norton's dream girl.
01:45:57.000 Yeah, perfect.
01:45:59.000 Jim Norton, I love him to death.
01:46:02.000 He's a perfect example, too, of someone who's bulletproof because that's what he is.
01:46:06.000 He's charming.
01:46:08.000 Like, in his fucking debauchery, he's a charming guy.
01:46:14.000 Girls love him and think he's adorable when he's saying some of the most heinous shit on stage and on the air and stuff.
01:46:22.000 But you know where he's coming from.
01:46:23.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:46:24.000 Oh, there's no mistaking.
01:46:26.000 He wears everything on his sleeve.
01:46:28.000 So he wrote the forward in my book, Permanently Suspended.
01:46:32.000 He wrote the forward.
01:46:33.000 He knows me like it's my brother first, and then Jim Norton.
01:46:39.000 Like, Jim knows me really well.
01:46:41.000 We're really good friends, and I love the guy.
01:46:44.000 Why didn't you guys wind up doing a show together when Opie and Anthony crashed?
01:46:49.000 I think, look, I can't blame anybody because...
01:46:54.000 I think having the security of a steady paycheck, as opposed to the guy that just got thrown off of everything, starting his own thing, it probably wasn't all that appealing to Jimmy, who, you know, he just bought a new place in the city and everything.
01:47:10.000 It just wasn't the right time.
01:47:13.000 And then, you know, as time went on, he became the go-to guy over at Sirius.
01:47:18.000 Yeah.
01:47:19.000 From the Opie and Anthony show.
01:47:21.000 I would love to.
01:47:22.000 And I do his Chip Chipperson show.
01:47:24.000 We're doing one in Philly next week.
01:47:28.000 The live show.
01:47:29.000 Yeah, we've been doing these live shows on Long Island.
01:47:31.000 We did one up in Boston.
01:47:33.000 And it's hilarious.
01:47:35.000 He comes out and the crowd goes fucking wild.
01:47:39.000 And he's got to be in character the whole time.
01:47:42.000 It's got to kill him.
01:47:44.000 It's got to kill him.
01:47:46.000 And it's so much fun to do.
01:47:48.000 I love playing the straight guy co-host to his fucking insane character.
01:47:53.000 But yeah, we've done these live shows and they're really a lot of fun.
01:47:57.000 And he's just a great guy.
01:48:00.000 There he is.
01:48:01.000 There he is.
01:48:01.000 His fucking outfit.
01:48:03.000 Oh my god.
01:48:05.000 It's so ridiculous.
01:48:07.000 He's gotta stay in...
01:48:08.000 Look at those pants.
01:48:09.000 That is hilarious.
01:48:11.000 Dude, the place is like packed and it's crazy.
01:48:14.000 What are you guys reading?
01:48:15.000 What are the notes?
01:48:16.000 Oh, he wanted us to, he wrote, he wrote like a, almost a play, but it's all just kissing Chip's ass and how wonderful Chip is and how thankful we are to be there.
01:48:27.000 Like, it's so goddamn funny.
01:48:29.000 I love it.
01:48:31.000 He's brilliant, man.
01:48:33.000 He's just a great guy and very fucking funny.
01:48:36.000 I knew from the first...
01:48:37.000 I think that also kind of...
01:48:41.000 I'm not blaming Jimmy or anything, but I think that helped to kind of break up the ONA show in time.
01:48:48.000 I think Opie started resenting a little bit of that camaraderie that me and Jimmy were having.
01:48:53.000 Me and Jimmy kind of slowly started pulling away and doing our own thing.
01:48:58.000 Like, it was...
01:49:00.000 And the humor is, you know, the more twisted, the better.
01:49:04.000 I love sick humor.
01:49:05.000 He does, too.
01:49:06.000 And we laugh.
01:49:07.000 We did a whole bit on, like, Lacey Peterson and Scott Peterson, the murder.
01:49:13.000 Yeah, and you would think, like, obviously, he murdered his pregnant wife and dumped her in the ocean.
01:49:17.000 What could possibly be funny about that?
01:49:20.000 Well, people wrote tribute songs.
01:49:22.000 Well, this guy wrote a tribute song to her, and another one of these self-centered assholes that thought he was going to go viral by making a tribute song.
01:49:29.000 And we started changing the words to the song to make it just horrible, involving seaweed and things like that.
01:49:37.000 But me and Jim are literally crying, laughing, and Obie's just kind of sitting there, like, not really...
01:49:37.000 So it was terrible.
01:49:44.000 We're good to go.
01:50:01.000 20 fucking years with anybody, dude, is nuts.
01:50:04.000 You get a girl that sucks your dick every day for 20 years, you're going to be like, oh fuck, stop sucking my dick.
01:50:09.000 But now I think it's Opie across from me, you know.
01:50:14.000 So you're going to get on each other's nerves.
01:50:16.000 And I'm not innocent in the whole thing either.
01:50:18.000 But I'm a lot more laid back.
01:50:21.000 Like, I knew what real work was.
01:50:25.000 I worked for a fucking living.
01:50:27.000 I did heating and air conditioning installation, and it was freezing cold in the winter and boiling hot in the summer.
01:50:33.000 When I got that first gig in radio, because of Opie, and I'll always thank him for that, I knew what it was like to work, and I didn't want to fuck that up.
01:50:42.000 So I plastered a smile on my face at every turn and did the show.
01:50:47.000 Four hours a day.
01:50:48.000 Everyone...
01:50:49.000 has someone at work that they don't get along with.
01:50:52.000 You don't leave.
01:50:53.000 You don't fucking, you know, you just deal with it.
01:50:56.000 And that's eight hours.
01:50:57.000 I had another 20 hours of the day that didn't involve Greg Opie Hughes.
01:51:00.000 So...
01:51:01.000 I could deal with it.
01:51:03.000 He was more like he had to express himself a little more, which I guess is healthy in a way, but I didn't need to.
01:51:12.000 So I didn't text him.
01:51:14.000 I didn't call him.
01:51:16.000 We got in an argument once and he goes, dude, you never even been to my house.
01:51:21.000 And I go, alright, get everyone from the show in here.
01:51:24.000 Jim, have I ever been to any house?
01:51:26.000 Nope.
01:51:26.000 Travis, no.
01:51:27.000 Sam, no.
01:51:28.000 E-Rock, no.
01:51:29.000 I've never been to anyone's house.
01:51:31.000 Let me tell you something right now.
01:51:32.000 Yeah.
01:51:33.000 That's something a chick would say.
01:51:34.000 I know!
01:51:35.000 Have you ever been to my house?
01:51:37.000 Dude, it's exactly that type of relationship.
01:51:38.000 You've never even been to my house.
01:51:39.000 Okay, what does that mean?
01:51:40.000 We've never been to the moon.
01:51:41.000 I've never been to Africa.
01:51:43.000 What the fuck are you saying?
01:51:44.000 I've never been to Spain.
01:51:45.000 What does that have to do with anything?
01:51:47.000 If you had a problem with me not coming to your house, why didn't you ask me to come to your house?
01:51:51.000 Yeah.
01:51:52.000 You ask me every day and I'm saying no every day?
01:51:55.000 And I'm saying no, right, right.
01:51:56.000 What's going on?
01:51:57.000 It was always something like that.
01:51:59.000 And believe me, I'm not going to sit here and shit on the guy.
01:52:01.000 My show's for that.
01:52:03.000 I'm not gonna shit on the guy, but there were definitely personality quirks that I guess we both had.
01:52:11.000 But there was something like, if I... I would party all the time, and I had to be there at 6 a.m., and I'm driving from Roslyn, Long Island, to New York City.
01:52:22.000 It's 25, 30 miles of just fucked traffic every day.
01:52:27.000 How long did it take you to get there?
01:52:29.000 It could be 35 minutes.
01:52:31.000 It could be an hour and a half.
01:52:34.000 Based on if someone's pulled over on the side of the road, some asshole crashes in Queens, whatever it was, it was a shit drive every day.
01:52:42.000 And you had to be there at 6, right?
01:52:44.000 6 o'clock the show started.
01:52:45.000 And so even at 6 there'd be that kind of traffic?
01:52:48.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:52:49.000 It wasn't as bad as it got at like 7 or 8, but you never really knew.
01:52:54.000 I was never late, late, but there were times I'd come in at 5 after.
01:52:59.000 8 after 6 was pretty much as late as I would be.
01:53:03.000 It was never more than that.
01:53:05.000 But he would go, like, he never had to say anything.
01:53:08.000 Like, the music starts, there's a little bumper at the beginning, and by the time it starts, I'd sit down.
01:53:15.000 And he, on mic, would go, well, I guess there was traffic, Anthony just getting in, and now the bosses are listening.
01:53:22.000 And it just wasn't necessary to do that.
01:53:26.000 He wanted something to talk about.
01:53:29.000 Guys don't do that.
01:53:31.000 Guys don't do that to each other.
01:53:33.000 You fucking sit down, don't say a word, no one would know I'm late.
01:53:37.000 And...
01:53:38.000 That's what happened.
01:53:39.000 And there were instances like that all the time.
01:53:42.000 It's all in my book, Permanently Suspended.
01:53:45.000 Is that book out now?
01:53:46.000 It's out now.
01:53:48.000 Borders, Barnes& Noble.
01:53:50.000 I think we have a copy in the green room.
01:53:50.000 I think it's in the green room.
01:53:51.000 Ah, yes.
01:53:52.000 Very good.
01:53:54.000 Oh, no.
01:53:54.000 It's at my house.
01:53:55.000 It's in my house.
01:53:56.000 I talk a lot about, obviously, the relationship with Opie and how it kind of slowly came apart at the seams.
01:54:05.000 I think toward the end, he just had had it.
01:54:09.000 He didn't want to do a show with me anymore.
01:54:12.000 I don't think he wanted to do a show with Jimmy either.
01:54:15.000 That didn't last long, and I knew it wasn't going to last long.
01:54:18.000 Yeah.
01:54:19.000 I was the buffer between the two of them.
01:54:21.000 That ended bad.
01:54:22.000 It really did.
01:54:23.000 It really did.
01:54:25.000 If you talk to Jimmy about it, he doesn't express that kind of...
01:54:31.000 No!
01:54:32.000 No, he doesn't.
01:54:34.000 Jimmy's a very loyalty-driven guy.
01:54:38.000 He takes that very seriously.
01:54:40.000 And if he feels somebody's fucking with him, he really gets pissed.
01:54:44.000 Usually it can get talked out and everything's cool after a little while.
01:54:48.000 But this one?
01:54:49.000 Oof.
01:54:50.000 This is bad.
01:54:52.000 It didn't work.
01:54:53.000 No, no.
01:54:54.000 I think, honestly, the way you guys interacted with each other, what he was good for was sort of directing the whole thing.
01:55:01.000 Right.
01:55:01.000 That's the impression that I got.
01:55:03.000 I mean, how many times did I do this show?
01:55:04.000 Dozens, right?
01:55:05.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:55:06.000 I don't know how many times I did it.
01:55:07.000 Absolutely.
01:55:07.000 But I always felt like what he did really well was sort of guide things.
01:55:12.000 Like, sit back more, let you guys be funny, but guide.
01:55:17.000 Like, figure out, like, maybe we need more of this.
01:55:19.000 Maybe we need more of that.
01:55:21.000 Yeah.
01:55:21.000 And there was real value to that.
01:55:22.000 Absolutely.
01:55:23.000 But do you think that's fun when you go out and do an appearance and everyone's clamoring about a bit that me and Jimmy did or something?
01:55:32.000 For him.
01:55:32.000 Yeah.
01:55:33.000 And he's sitting there going like, well, I pushed a button and I drove the ship and I went to spots.
01:55:40.000 The thing is, if he knew...
01:55:43.000 It's funny.
01:55:44.000 Because, like, yeah, you're not going to be appreciated as much.
01:55:47.000 But it's like a guy who is good at defense, but he doesn't score a lot of points.
01:55:52.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:55:53.000 Yeah.
01:55:54.000 You're not going to be LeBron James.
01:55:56.000 It's necessary.
01:55:57.000 Guys who score the points, though, are the ones who everybody wants to talk to.
01:56:00.000 Yeah.
01:56:01.000 You ever see...
01:56:02.000 I think of Opie like...
01:56:05.000 You ever see The Prestige, the movie The Prestige, with the...
01:56:10.000 The two magicians.
01:56:11.000 No.
01:56:12.000 It's a good movie.
01:56:14.000 But at one point, because he has to use a body double, the actual magician has to drop below the stage, and the body double comes out and gets all the applause.
01:56:14.000 It's a good movie.
01:56:25.000 And he's under the stage.
01:56:26.000 The real guy that did the whole act is under the stage, and he shuts his eyes and puts his arms out, trying to enjoy the adulation from the fans, but it's not even him getting it.
01:56:37.000 And I think that kind of mindset was there.
01:56:42.000 And then resentment starts bubbling up, and you start doing things like saying, Anthony just got in, and You hold things over people's heads.
01:56:55.000 The contract negotiations were a nightmare every time.
01:56:59.000 And Opie always wanted a one-year deal.
01:57:02.000 I'm like, what the fuck are you doing?
01:57:03.000 Let's sign for 10 years.
01:57:05.000 Who gives a shit?
01:57:06.000 If they want to fire you, they're going to fire you anyway, contract or not.
01:57:09.000 But let's lock them in.
01:57:12.000 So if something happens, at least we have a settlement portion.
01:57:15.000 We could take half what they owe us for five years, whatever it is.
01:57:19.000 Not one year deal.
01:57:21.000 Because he always had this delusion of grandeur, like there was always something better waiting for.
01:57:21.000 That's all I want.
01:57:28.000 For us to grab up.
01:57:29.000 And it's like, the truth of the matter was, the glory years of the ONA show were gone.
01:57:33.000 The NEW years and the, you know, all that crazy fucking radio.
01:57:38.000 We were damaged goods after the sex in St. Patrick's Cathedral debacle.
01:57:43.000 We had a couple...
01:57:45.000 We had a contest where people had to go around New York City and have sex at various famous locations, like the Hard Rock Cafe and Empire State Building, things like that.
01:57:54.000 We had spotters who were comics or people that worked for the show follow them around, and they would call us on the show and go, all right, we're here at the Empire State Building, and he's doing it.
01:58:03.000 I'm watching him right now.
01:58:03.000 So we had Paul Mercurio, who was a comic, and he was following one couple around, and Opie had put church on the list.
01:58:13.000 And I went like, I don't know, man.
01:58:16.000 He goes, it's just to read on the air and say what locations are.
01:58:20.000 And when we say church, people go like, whoa, that's outrageous.
01:58:22.000 But no one's going to go to church.
01:58:23.000 Don't worry.
01:58:24.000 Well, Paul calls up and goes, well, we're here at St. Pat's and he's doing the two-point conversion.
01:58:33.000 You got an extra two points if you were fucking her in the ass at the location.
01:58:37.000 Because they all had point values for how dangerous it was.
01:58:39.000 Wow.
01:58:40.000 And Pat was watching to be sure that it went in the ass?
01:58:43.000 Paul was watching.
01:58:43.000 Paul.
01:58:44.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:58:44.000 The spotter was supposed to watch.
01:58:46.000 So he had to watch this guy fuck his girl in the ass.
01:58:48.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:58:49.000 There was a lot of theater of the mind going on, too.
01:58:52.000 Who knows what the fuck they were doing or where.
01:58:54.000 I hear it was in the vestibule outside St. Pat's, but regardless...
01:58:59.000 It's sex at St. Pat's.
01:59:01.000 And me and Opie looked at each other.
01:59:01.000 Right.
01:59:03.000 We both had digital delay, like the delay button.
01:59:06.000 Seven second.
01:59:07.000 We had like a 30 second delay.
01:59:09.000 We both had buttons in front of us.
01:59:11.000 There was another guy in a locked room down the hall that had a button to dump out of because we were constantly doing shit that would have gotten FCC complaints.
01:59:17.000 So the boss installed these buttons everywhere.
01:59:20.000 Well, we both had our finger on it going like...
01:59:23.000 Shit.
01:59:24.000 Do we punch out of this?
01:59:26.000 It's hilarious.
01:59:27.000 Guy's fucking his girl in the ass at St. Pat's.
01:59:30.000 And neither of us hit the button and the guy down the hall didn't hit it.
01:59:33.000 We just went with it.
01:59:34.000 And that moment is like, that is one of those moments.
01:59:39.000 Like, talk about a defining moment.
01:59:40.000 You move your finger one inch down and that never happens.
01:59:46.000 It's amazing to think about.
01:59:48.000 What year was this?
02:00:04.000 2004, I think it was, we had to sit out two fucking years out of our contract, not working.
02:00:11.000 They didn't want us to go to mornings, because Clear Channel Radio, which was another radio company, and CBS were kind of fighting for us.
02:00:21.000 Clear Channel wanted us to do mornings against Howard Stern, who was on CBS. We worked for CBS at the time doing afternoons.
02:00:28.000 So we were put in a position where they were both just throwing huge amounts of money at us and CBS was like, we can't let them go to mornings.
02:00:39.000 It would be impossible to beat Howard.
02:00:41.000 But we would take enough listeners away where you might not be number one anymore.
02:00:45.000 That affects revenue.
02:00:47.000 You want to sell the show as the number one rated show.
02:00:51.000 So CBS was doing anything they could to keep us in afternoons with the same company as Howard.
02:00:56.000 So it was the most lucrative contract we ever signed.
02:00:59.000 It was a three-year deal.
02:01:01.000 We signed it in, I guess, 2001. And after one year, they cancelled the show because of the sex at St. Pat's thing.
02:01:10.000 That blew up.
02:01:12.000 I mean, it was in the newspapers.
02:01:13.000 I had to look at Opie and Dopey on the front page.
02:01:16.000 I'm like, fuck, I'm Dopey.
02:01:19.000 I gotta be Dopey.
02:01:20.000 It was so embarrassing.
02:01:22.000 My family and everything.
02:01:23.000 It was just fucking nuts.
02:01:25.000 So CBS was like, well, we cancelled your show, but we're not letting you out of your contract.
02:01:31.000 I'm like, what does that mean?
02:01:32.000 We talk to our agent and he goes, well, you can't work.
02:01:35.000 They're not letting you work.
02:01:36.000 You'll still get paid.
02:01:37.000 And dude, I'm talking millions of dollars.
02:01:40.000 This was millions of dollars that they had to give us for two years.
02:01:44.000 But you think like, oh, that's awesome!
02:01:47.000 Back then, there was no internet to speak of.
02:01:50.000 You had no way to contact your fans.
02:01:52.000 Well, you could have a website, which is one of the ways that we became friends is I wrote about you guys.
02:01:57.000 Right.
02:01:58.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:01:59.000 I wrote a big piece on my website about how ridiculous it was.
02:02:02.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:02:03.000 A lot of people supported us, but in two years, you'd just disappear on the radio.
02:02:09.000 It's...
02:02:14.000 We're good to go.
02:02:29.000 Buying toys.
02:02:30.000 I went to Atlantis for a couple of weeks in the Bahamas and I was pulling my luggage to leave at the desk and I go to my chick and I go, why are we going home?
02:02:46.000 He goes, okay.
02:02:47.000 I said, can I have the room for another two weeks?
02:02:49.000 Like, okay.
02:02:50.000 Went back upstairs and just stayed for a month.
02:02:52.000 It's like, I have no reason.
02:02:54.000 Why am I going home after two weeks?
02:02:55.000 You're so conditioned.
02:02:57.000 Like, how long a vacation is.
02:02:57.000 Wow.
02:02:59.000 Right.
02:02:59.000 And that lasted for two years and then...
02:03:02.000 I think?
02:03:23.000 And we were like, let's see how many satellite radio antennas we see.
02:03:27.000 Because they used to be very obvious shark fin, big antennas, aftermarket.
02:03:30.000 They stuck them and drilled them into your roof.
02:03:33.000 The installation process was stupid.
02:03:33.000 It was terrible.
02:03:36.000 No one wanted to get fucked their car up with this dumb antenna.
02:03:39.000 So we're looking and we're like, nothing.
02:03:42.000 And then, oh, look, there's one.
02:03:44.000 And, you know, the money's one thing, obviously, but as a broadcaster, you want to fucking be talking to people.
02:03:52.000 You know?
02:03:52.000 You want to entertain people.
02:03:54.000 You want people to say, wow, that was good.
02:03:56.000 And there was just no subscribers back then.
02:03:59.000 During our 10 years there, it wound up getting very, very good, and we had a lot of listeners.
02:04:05.000 But early on, no one but satellite was calling, and we signed.
02:04:10.000 We signed the deal.
02:04:13.000 But we definitely would have preferred terrestrial radio.
02:04:18.000 It's interesting now, right?
02:04:18.000 It's fucking nuts.
02:04:20.000 Because now satellite became a big thing when Howard got on it.
02:04:24.000 Mm-hmm.
02:04:25.000 And people were talking about it.
02:04:27.000 And then it became a big thing because every new car you would buy, you'd get a free 90 days or whatever.
02:04:32.000 But now, no one gives a shit.
02:04:35.000 Yeah.
02:04:36.000 It's one of the most short-lived technologies.
02:04:39.000 Not that it's gone.
02:04:40.000 I think it'll always be there in some capacity.
02:04:42.000 It's still here, but man, it is fucking clinging by a thread.
02:04:45.000 So many other...
02:04:47.000 That's why they bought Pandora, I guess.
02:04:49.000 Oh, yeah, for sure.
02:04:50.000 There's so many other...
02:04:51.000 Streaming.
02:04:52.000 Outlets out there.
02:04:53.000 And podcasts.
02:04:54.000 The fact that podcasts are all free.
02:04:56.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:04:57.000 And then you can play them in a tunnel.
02:04:59.000 You play them everywhere.
02:05:00.000 It doesn't peter out on you.
02:05:03.000 And you get that signal constantly now.
02:05:07.000 So it's not like the old days.
02:05:09.000 Every time you get in the car, your system identifies your phone.
02:05:13.000 And then when they started playing commercials.
02:05:16.000 I remember when they started playing commercials.
02:05:18.000 I was like, what the fuck is this?
02:05:19.000 I'm paying so that you can play commercials?
02:05:22.000 Are you out of your fucking mind?
02:05:24.000 Yeah, it was supposed to be commercial-free.
02:05:28.000 They all talk about commercial-free, and then it ends up, oh, if you're listening to 70s on 7, I guess you won't have to listen to a commercial.
02:05:34.000 Yeah, but even then, I think they have commercials on everything.
02:05:36.000 Yeah, they started throwing commercials on everything, so...
02:05:39.000 Yeah, short-lived technology.
02:05:42.000 And then to put all of your eggs in a couple of baskets that are circling the earth always seemed weird to me.
02:05:42.000 It's weird.
02:05:50.000 Well, not only that, you can't get it in Hawaii.
02:05:53.000 I think I told you guys when I went to Hawaii on vacation, I got a car that had Sirius XM built into it.
02:06:00.000 It didn't work.
02:06:01.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:06:01.000 I was like, what the fuck is this?
02:06:03.000 You have to deal with a satellite orbiting.
02:06:06.000 You know, something happens to the transmitter on a terrestrial station.
02:06:09.000 They send an engineer up there.
02:06:11.000 He turns a few screws or what have you.
02:06:12.000 You know, something fucks up in a satellite.
02:06:14.000 What are you going to do?
02:06:15.000 What are you going to do?
02:06:17.000 You know, Howard going to get a rocket and fix the fucking thing?
02:06:20.000 It's really dumb technology at this point.
02:06:22.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:06:22.000 It's totally unnecessary.
02:06:25.000 Unnecessary.
02:06:25.000 The fact that Sirius is still transmitted from a thing in the sky down to the ground...
02:06:30.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:06:31.000 And then it's transmitted from the people on the ground up into the sky and then back down to the people on the ground.
02:06:37.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:06:38.000 That's what's going on.
02:06:39.000 It's so...
02:06:40.000 Which is so unnecessary.
02:06:41.000 Just the people on the ground can just send it to the people on the ground.
02:06:44.000 On the ground.
02:06:45.000 Why wouldn't you do that?
02:06:46.000 Yeah, especially in this day and age with the...
02:06:46.000 Super easy.
02:06:49.000 But they're still doing it.
02:06:50.000 It's very weird.
02:06:51.000 Yeah, yeah, it is.
02:06:52.000 They're going to have to do something with their model.
02:06:55.000 The fuck are they going to do?
02:06:55.000 I don't know.
02:06:56.000 Like I said, buy Pandora, maybe start scooping up internet companies.
02:07:01.000 I think that's what they're going to do.
02:07:02.000 I think they're going to move towards that direction.
02:07:03.000 Yeah, I think that's all they have.
02:07:05.000 You know what's really weird, though, is the fucking AM radio is still a thing.
02:07:09.000 Like...
02:07:11.000 That's the weirdest thing to me.
02:07:12.000 The death knell for radio has been, it's been forever.
02:07:17.000 Like the second another technology came out, it was like, well, I guess that's it for radio.
02:07:22.000 Yeah, television.
02:07:23.000 We have an amazing invention here.
02:07:25.000 And radio was supposed to be dead.
02:07:28.000 But it just hangs in there.
02:07:30.000 People just can't.
02:07:31.000 Let it go.
02:07:33.000 Regular radio, especially AM. Man, I remember as a kid, my dad having the AM, like music on the AM radio.
02:07:41.000 Sounded like it was coming out of a tin can, static and shit, and that was kind of all you had.
02:07:47.000 I drove home like a year ago, and just on a goof, I decided to put on AM radio.
02:07:53.000 And I was listening to an AM radio show.
02:07:55.000 And I had a big smile on my face all the way home, because it was like I was listening to the past.
02:07:59.000 Yeah, yeah, it's like a time machine, right?
02:08:01.000 Yeah, it was some weird, one of the local talk shows, a weird local talk show in L.A. where they were talking about traffic and the Dodgers game and this and that.
02:08:12.000 It's archaic!
02:08:12.000 It's so strange.
02:08:14.000 Like, first of all, anything that is trying to inform you is just unnecessary at this point, unless it's...
02:08:25.000 Fake news, the big CNN and Fox News and everything, those will always be a fixture and stuff, but local fucking news?
02:08:33.000 Do you really need the team that cares at 6 o'clock?
02:08:38.000 It's all just shit that you've already seen online.
02:08:43.000 There's not one story that will be on the 6 o'clock news that I don't already know in depth.
02:08:48.000 It's also the lowest rung of show business in terms of competence.
02:08:51.000 Yes!
02:08:52.000 The people, they're terrible at it.
02:08:54.000 And they're all drunks.
02:08:56.000 It's hilarious.
02:08:57.000 Dude, I have never seen a group of people that can drink more than fucking news people.
02:09:02.000 They just get hammered constantly.
02:09:04.000 They probably are miserable.
02:09:05.000 I think that's it.
02:09:07.000 I think they're miserable.
02:09:08.000 We went through a whole thing when Roseanne was supposed to be on the podcast.
02:09:11.000 And right after she got fired, she announced that she was going to come on the podcast.
02:09:15.000 Yes, I remember hearing that.
02:09:16.000 These fucking newscasters started showing up where our old studio is, actually.
02:09:21.000 They went to our old studio and they were parked out front with cameras.
02:09:24.000 And this is where I got upset.
02:09:26.000 I was like, first of all, you guys are terrible at this.
02:09:29.000 And second of all, you just assume that because you're there, I have to talk to you.
02:09:33.000 So because you see me, I'm going to say something to you.
02:09:36.000 Because you put your camera and your microphone in my face.
02:09:38.000 It doesn't work that way, fuckface.
02:09:40.000 I'm not going to talk to you.
02:09:41.000 You're not good at talking.
02:09:42.000 This is the reason why you do this.
02:09:44.000 Yeah.
02:09:45.000 You don't have a job, like a really good job doing this, because you're not good at this.
02:09:50.000 You're not good at it.
02:09:51.000 So either you will one day get a really good job doing this, or you're just not good at it.
02:09:55.000 Yeah.
02:09:55.000 One of those, because right now you're right here, and I'm not talking to you.
02:09:59.000 This is nonsense.
02:10:00.000 Like, you're holding this fucking camera.
02:10:02.000 Hi, we're here with CBS and 4 News.
02:10:05.000 Like, the fuck out of here.
02:10:06.000 I don't have to talk to you.
02:10:08.000 Just because you have a camera in front of me, we're going to have an interview now.
02:10:11.000 They feel like you're obligated to address them.
02:10:15.000 They're trying to come to my house.
02:10:16.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:10:17.000 I've had that happen.
02:10:18.000 It's not fun.
02:10:19.000 It's definitely not fun.
02:10:20.000 It's like, get the fuck out of here.
02:10:21.000 I'm not talking to you.
02:10:22.000 They knock on my neighbor's doors, and they want to know about me and stuff.
02:10:26.000 And if you think, like, we deal with L.A. or New York.
02:10:30.000 Imagine what the news team in fucking East Alabama bumfuck.
02:10:37.000 That's got to be the worst.
02:10:39.000 They are just terrible at what they do.
02:10:41.000 Local news in some podunk fuck town is hilarious to watch.
02:10:46.000 It's one of the things that comics have to do when they come into a town.
02:10:48.000 They have to do local TV shows.
02:10:50.000 Morning TV shows.
02:10:51.000 The morning chat thing.
02:10:53.000 As shitty as you think the view is, or the talk...
02:10:57.000 As shitty as those shows are, those fucking hens get together and...
02:11:01.000 These shows in the local one in Boise, Idaho or fucking Dallas, they're a thousand times worse.
02:11:10.000 Worse.
02:11:11.000 Just terrible.
02:11:12.000 And I hate that there's such a double standard when one of them fucks up, when a news person fucks up.
02:11:12.000 Death.
02:11:20.000 They just apparently leave them alone.
02:11:22.000 Like, where was everyone with, what's his name, from, was it NBC? Brian Williams?
02:11:29.000 Well, Brian Williams they kind of got on.
02:11:31.000 Yeah.
02:11:31.000 But, no, Lauer, Matt Lauer.
02:11:33.000 Oh, yeah.
02:11:34.000 Like, Matt Lauer, it was in the news or anything, but where was the mic being shoved in Matt Lauer's face as he's trying to fucking go home or something?
02:11:41.000 Well, I think there was some of that.
02:11:42.000 I think he just hid.
02:11:43.000 I mean, he went straight to Long Island and went to the Hamptons, and he's never left.
02:11:47.000 But were they camping out in front of his house?
02:11:49.000 Oh yeah, they did.
02:11:50.000 They were?
02:11:51.000 He's just been banging divorcees and riding a motorcycle.
02:11:55.000 Trying to get back on TV. That is just twisted.
02:11:57.000 You know what's most stunning to me?
02:11:59.000 Is how much money he made.
02:12:01.000 I didn't know he was making that much money.
02:12:01.000 Oh yeah, yeah.
02:12:03.000 That is insane.
02:12:04.000 And for years.
02:12:05.000 For a long fucking time.
02:12:07.000 He's got a giant ranch in New Zealand that's like thousands of acres.
02:12:11.000 How do you decide you need that?
02:12:13.000 It's so crazy because he's got some access issues.
02:12:16.000 Like the people that want to get to certain parts of the public land, they have to go through his ranch.
02:12:23.000 So there's like an access issue, like some sort of easement where these people are supposed to be able to drive through and they're fighting it off.
02:12:30.000 He should just sit at his desk with that button that opens the door, but it lifts a gate up so they can get through.
02:12:36.000 That button, there's a misconception about that button.
02:12:39.000 Love the button.
02:12:40.000 They all had that button.
02:12:41.000 Yeah?
02:12:41.000 Yeah, it was because they had big offices and they wanted to be able to lock their door so they didn't interrupt it on a phone call.
02:12:46.000 Oh.
02:12:46.000 It wasn't so they could bang chicks in the office.
02:12:48.000 Like, women executives had that button, too.
02:12:50.000 Oh, okay.
02:12:51.000 Yeah, but that's the thing that- It sounded very- It sounded very tawdry.
02:12:54.000 Yes, tawdry indeed.
02:12:56.000 Yeah, well, the media grabbed onto that and like, oh my god, he had a button to lock it.
02:12:59.000 Like, he's sitting there, when I fuck, I don't want to be interrupted.
02:13:03.000 I don't want to fuck, I want to hit that button and just start fucking- Some nervous girl just hears that click behind her and she goes, oh fuck, he hit the button.
02:13:13.000 There was a lot of that that was accentuated.
02:13:16.000 There was one guest that brought in a bunch of sex toys and he gave him a bag and he kept it in his office.
02:13:22.000 And he was like, oh, he keeps a bag of sex toys in his office.
02:13:26.000 There's shit in this office.
02:13:28.000 I got a flamethrower.
02:13:29.000 Okay?
02:13:30.000 Elon Musk gave me a flamethrower.
02:13:33.000 What am I going to do with it?
02:13:34.000 He keeps a flamethrower in his office.
02:13:34.000 It's right there.
02:13:37.000 It's that kind of thing.
02:13:38.000 If somebody gave me a bag of dildos, it would be right over there next to the flamethrower.
02:13:42.000 Bag of dildos!
02:13:44.000 Unless I made a conscious decision to throw it away, or my wife found it.
02:13:47.000 It would wind up getting tossed.
02:13:49.000 But Matt Lauer decided to keep it in his fucking closet.
02:13:52.000 I don't know.
02:13:53.000 Apparently he gave some people some...
02:13:55.000 I think the guy was getting laid.
02:13:58.000 That's what I think.
02:13:59.000 And I think a lot of what else happened, all the details of it, it seems to me that all of it is very blown out of proportion.
02:14:08.000 I don't like that that's happening because everyone is being lumped into the Harvey Weinstein category, which is the tip of the fucking pyramid right there.
02:14:19.000 Cosby's the tip.
02:14:20.000 Cosby's number one.
02:14:22.000 He's literally number one.
02:14:24.000 There was a woman who said this on, I believe it was CNN or one of those talk shows.
02:14:28.000 She said, he may very well be the biggest serial rapist in history.
02:14:33.000 Can you even fucking build Cosby?
02:14:35.000 I remember literally sitting back on my couch going...
02:14:40.000 Yeah!
02:14:41.000 Fucking Bill Cosby's the biggest serial rapist in the history.
02:14:45.000 Wow!
02:14:47.000 A time machine would be wonderful just to see people's expressions when you tell them what's happening in the whole celebrity forum.
02:14:57.000 Hey, guess what Bill Cosby's doing?
02:14:59.000 Have you ever seen that photo of Howard Cosell standing next to Bruce Jenner and O.J. Simpson?
02:15:03.000 O.J.? And it says, I've seen the future and you're not going to fucking believe this.
02:15:07.000 Yeah!
02:15:09.000 Yeah, it's fucking crazy.
02:15:11.000 Bill Cosby, when we were kids, we used to watch The Cosby Show.
02:15:14.000 When he was Bill Cosby, the stand-up comedian that would go on HBO, and everybody loved him.
02:15:20.000 He was America's father.
02:15:22.000 America's dad, right there.
02:15:23.000 The Cosby Show.
02:15:25.000 Revolutionary on television.
02:15:27.000 He was, at that time, raping women.
02:15:30.000 At that time.
02:15:31.000 It's just fucking insane.
02:15:33.000 Not just raping them, but drugging them.
02:15:35.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:15:36.000 And friends, daughters, people that he knew.
02:15:40.000 Come on over, I'll help you with your career.
02:15:42.000 Wow.
02:15:43.000 Yeah.
02:15:43.000 Plop, plop.
02:15:44.000 Drop two in your fucking drink, and you feeling okay?
02:15:47.000 Put your feet up.
02:15:48.000 Put your feet up.
02:15:49.000 And they'd be like, okay, I'll move.
02:15:50.000 You're like, good, that's why I stick my dick in your mouth.
02:15:52.000 And that hazy, like a few of them just hazily regain consciousness for a minute and just remember seeing old Bill pounding away with that fucking flounder eye.
02:16:06.000 I think he got the eye later in life.
02:16:07.000 He's almost blind, apparently.
02:16:09.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:16:10.000 I thought they were using that as kind of a sympathy thing, but he looks pretty fucking blind.
02:16:10.000 I'm not sure.
02:16:15.000 They should send him to the same jail.
02:16:16.000 They sent Whitey Bulger.
02:16:17.000 Oh, wow.
02:16:18.000 Yeah, how about that?
02:16:20.000 Imagine that.
02:16:21.000 Boy, he was, what, 95 or something like that?
02:16:25.000 Whitey Bulger?
02:16:26.000 I think he was that fucking old.
02:16:26.000 Was he that old?
02:16:27.000 Like, in his 90s, that's a grudge that someone held onto for quite a while.
02:16:33.000 Well, the guy hated rats, apparently.
02:16:35.000 And that was the thing, that Whitey Bulger, all throughout his time of running the Irish mob, was ratting people out to the FBI. That's what was really crazy.
02:16:43.000 He was another guy, just like we were talking about, what the fuck's his name, the Italian guy.
02:16:48.000 Yeah, Gotti?
02:16:49.000 No, the other one.
02:16:50.000 Oh, Sammy the Bull.
02:16:52.000 He was in the mob, ratting out other people in the mob while he was murdering people.
02:16:57.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:16:58.000 Like, the FBI allowed him to sell drugs and do a lottery.
02:17:01.000 He won the lottery twice.
02:17:05.000 While he was doing this.
02:17:06.000 You know how that works?
02:17:07.000 How?
02:17:08.000 I have no idea.
02:17:08.000 Someone else would win the lottery, and he would use that as a way to show income.
02:17:14.000 So he would pay them for their lottery ticket, or steal it from them, or whatever the fuck he did it.
02:17:20.000 And then he would say, look, I won the lottery.
02:17:22.000 And then he would win the lottery, so that way he would have all this money.
02:17:25.000 Laundered, yeah.
02:17:26.000 You could avoid tax evasion charges that way.
02:17:28.000 Oh, Christ.
02:17:29.000 You could have a proof of income.
02:17:31.000 Where'd you get that boat?
02:17:32.000 Where'd you get that Cadillac?
02:17:33.000 Where'd you get that house?
02:17:34.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
02:17:35.000 That's fucked up.
02:17:37.000 Twice.
02:17:38.000 You know how bold you have to be to win it twice?
02:17:41.000 The FBI was helping him, too, obviously.
02:17:46.000 They were giving up competitors.
02:17:49.000 They were responsible, probably, for some murders.
02:17:52.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:17:53.000 They would bring people to him.
02:17:55.000 Like, that was the thing.
02:17:56.000 Like, hey, we're not going to kill anyone, but we'll bring this guy to you so you can have a little chit-chat.
02:18:02.000 And, you know, you're driving the guy to his death, pretty much.
02:18:06.000 And he was living in an apartment in Santa Monica with some girl who just talked a lot.
02:18:10.000 And apparently she was yelling at him, and that's how he got arrested.
02:18:15.000 What, like a domestic?
02:18:16.000 Yeah, there was like some screaming and yelling, and they were weird.
02:18:19.000 And that was what got people looking at them, like, who the fuck are these people?
02:18:23.000 And then they started, I mean, he wasn't even like hiding in Montana or anything.
02:18:27.000 No, no, right out there.
02:18:28.000 He wasn't even roaming on a ranch somewhere in the middle of nowhere where no one's going to be suspicious.
02:18:32.000 He was in fucking Santa Monica in an apartment.
02:18:34.000 That is fucked up.
02:18:36.000 Crazy!
02:18:37.000 I don't understand, like, how...
02:18:39.000 It's gotta be the most stressful life to lead just...
02:18:44.000 On the run?
02:18:44.000 On the run.
02:18:45.000 I watched some of those shows, like Cold Case Files, and when they find these people...
02:18:51.000 Yeah, there he is.
02:18:51.000 What inmates are saying about the brutal prison hit on Whitey Bulger, he got what he had coming to him.
02:18:56.000 He got what he had coming to him.
02:18:58.000 Oh, Jesus.
02:18:59.000 He pulled his eyes out.
02:19:00.000 Oh, my God.
02:19:01.000 That's like rat stuff.
02:19:02.000 How old was he?
02:19:02.000 89 or something.
02:19:03.000 Oh, 89?
02:19:04.000 Yeah.
02:19:04.000 Jesus Christ.
02:19:06.000 Yeah, it's a...
02:19:07.000 He definitely got what he had coming to him.
02:19:10.000 I don't see how anybody could argue that.
02:19:12.000 Apparently, so.
02:19:14.000 Really, a piece of shit.
02:19:14.000 No sympathy.
02:19:15.000 Just amazing that he's 89. Yeah.
02:19:18.000 Made it to 89. 89. What was Patrice, like 40 when he died?
02:19:21.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
02:19:22.000 How's that work?
02:19:23.000 I have no idea...
02:19:25.000 But yeah, I mean, he must have been looking over his shoulder constantly.
02:19:30.000 While still in his wheelchair, he was beaten to death with what inmates call shanks, schlocks, a lock in a sock.
02:19:37.000 Kind of a Dr. Seuss kind of weapon.
02:19:41.000 While in his wheelchair before possibly having his eyes partially gouged out with shanks.
02:19:47.000 Oh, fuck.
02:19:48.000 Yeah.
02:19:49.000 That's some real shit.
02:19:50.000 His assailants tried to chop off his tongue.
02:19:52.000 Wow.
02:19:53.000 Sometimes it works.
02:19:54.000 Sometimes jailhouse justice actually happens.
02:19:58.000 You don't think it will, but then it does.
02:20:01.000 Sometimes.
02:20:02.000 Sometimes.
02:20:03.000 Sometimes people get what's coming to them.
02:20:06.000 Yeah.
02:20:06.000 How do we get on the subject of Whitey Bulger?
02:20:08.000 I don't know.
02:20:09.000 We always just ramble on about stuff.
02:20:12.000 I love it.
02:20:13.000 So, I love that you've established your own sort of media company.
02:20:18.000 I love that you decided to just start your own network.
02:20:22.000 Yeah.
02:20:23.000 But are there challenges?
02:20:25.000 Like, what we do is pretty simple because we just put it out there and then we put ads on it.
02:20:29.000 Right.
02:20:30.000 Or YouTube puts ads on it.
02:20:32.000 But is it challenging to like, I mean, you have a bunch of people, like when I was there, other folks were coming in, and they had their shows in the studio as well, and you change your green screen, you know, you change your image in the background.
02:20:44.000 Yeah, yeah, it was the most convenient way to kind of, instead of having a different set for every show, it's a green screen, and then we just...
02:20:50.000 Pop it in a background.
02:20:52.000 We could do some pretty funny things with it, too.
02:20:54.000 We've done that.
02:20:55.000 I did a reading last week of part of my book, and we went to an establishing shot of a cabin, and I moved to a chair behind the green screen, and it's just me by a little fire burning, and I, oh, oh, welcome!
02:21:09.000 I didn't expect you.
02:21:11.000 So it's kind of fun to be creative with the thing.
02:21:14.000 Other than that, yeah, there are a lot of challenges.
02:21:17.000 I am not...
02:21:19.000 I'm in front of the mic guy.
02:21:21.000 That's it.
02:21:22.000 I don't really like any of the other parts of the business.
02:21:28.000 It's weird because this is a...
02:21:29.000 Do you have a CEO of the business?
02:21:31.000 I'm the guy.
02:21:32.000 Keith, though, is the guy I've delegated a lot of the responsibility as to the tech end of everything and finding the people we need to run equipment and stuff over the course of the years.
02:21:43.000 And it's worked out very well.
02:21:45.000 But it is one of those things like it's two companies.
02:21:49.000 You have the entertainment that's going into the microphone and then all the shit you need to get that to the people.
02:21:55.000 And the business model and billing and all that shit that I can't fucking be bothered.
02:22:01.000 I have video games to play.
02:22:03.000 I can't be bothered with that shit.
02:22:05.000 So you operate on...
02:22:07.000 It's a subscription.
02:22:09.000 People pay by the month and you get a ton of shows.
02:22:11.000 They get the Mike Ward show.
02:22:12.000 Yeah.
02:22:13.000 Mike Ward, who was in here last week.
02:22:13.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:22:15.000 Yeah, and they get Aaron and Gino doing In Hot Waters, our morning show, and they're just out of fucking control.
02:22:21.000 They're the one show that I watch sometimes and go like, oof, oof.
02:22:25.000 Wow, that's...
02:22:25.000 Really?
02:22:26.000 I wouldn't do that.
02:22:28.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.
02:22:28.000 Really?
02:22:29.000 They're brutal.
02:22:30.000 Are they comics?
02:22:31.000 Yeah, the comics in New York.
02:22:33.000 They tour around.
02:22:35.000 Really funny guys.
02:22:37.000 So this is the page with all the show on it?
02:22:39.000 Yeah, I pilfered Bill Schultz and Joanne Nosichinsky from Fox News.
02:22:44.000 They used to be on Fox News, Red Eye and stuff.
02:22:48.000 Eastside Dave is an insane motherfucker from the old Ron and Fez show.
02:22:53.000 What's in Hot Water?
02:22:54.000 In Hot Water is the morning show.
02:22:56.000 Yeah, that's Aaron and Gino.
02:22:58.000 Kevin Brennan, who is just a mental patient.
02:23:03.000 Kevin scares me.
02:23:04.000 He yells a lot.
02:23:06.000 I come into the studio and I just hear his voice booming, yelling.
02:23:10.000 I get an anxiety attack like it's my dad yelling at mom back in the old days.
02:23:16.000 Yeah, we're always looking for...
02:23:19.000 How many shows do you have on?
02:23:20.000 Shows that fit.
02:23:21.000 I don't know.
02:23:22.000 How many is that?
02:23:23.000 And are these shows available to stream anytime you want?
02:23:26.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:23:27.000 Most of the shows go out live.
02:23:29.000 I like the element of just a little danger there of being live as it goes out.
02:23:35.000 I like that.
02:23:35.000 Me too.
02:23:37.000 And I don't know what it is, but just knowing you could edit something...
02:23:42.000 Might make you a little lazy as you're doing it.
02:23:45.000 You can't stop.
02:23:46.000 You have to keep going.
02:23:47.000 Jamie brought it up.
02:23:48.000 It feels different when we've done shows that aren't live.
02:23:51.000 Yeah, yeah, it does.
02:23:52.000 Something happened to our streaming at one point in time.
02:23:53.000 It fucked up and we couldn't stream.
02:23:55.000 So we just edited it and filmed it in advance and put it up later.
02:24:00.000 But it just feels weird.
02:24:01.000 It does.
02:24:02.000 It's because there's a net.
02:24:04.000 There's a net down there.
02:24:05.000 You could leave.
02:24:06.000 If you had to take a piss, you could go, I gotta take a piss.
02:24:08.000 You're going out live.
02:24:10.000 This is it.
02:24:11.000 Here it is.
02:24:11.000 Hi.
02:24:13.000 I like that.
02:24:15.000 There's a feeling that there's people listening right now.
02:24:18.000 Right, yeah.
02:24:19.000 And everything's archived, so subscribers can get all the past shows from all the shows.
02:24:26.000 It is available.
02:24:27.000 Can they download audio as well as video?
02:24:29.000 Yeah.
02:24:29.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:24:29.000 Audio only.
02:24:32.000 Audio and video.
02:24:33.000 Yeah, we give them a lot of options.
02:24:36.000 We went with subscriber based because when I got the boot from Sirius years ago, I couldn't imagine people wanted me to be hawking their products in the first place.
02:24:50.000 And I didn't want to be beholden to sponsors.
02:24:55.000 I can't have anyone telling me what I can and can't say anymore.
02:24:55.000 Right.
02:24:59.000 Just ain't gonna happen.
02:25:00.000 But is there an issue trying to get people, like, I had a friend who was on radio, and they left and went to do a podcast, and they had a subscription podcast.
02:25:08.000 Yeah.
02:25:09.000 And what he was saying is it's really difficult to grow.
02:25:12.000 Like, you have to keep those people that you have.
02:25:14.000 Yeah.
02:25:14.000 And you gotta keep them happy, and they would do things to engage with them, and they would do, like, little events where they'd go to a bar.
02:25:20.000 Mm-hmm.
02:25:20.000 Meet everybody and do a show from there.
02:25:22.000 He said, but it's really hard to grow because people don't want to pay when there's all these different shows they could just get for free.
02:25:28.000 Yeah, that's always a challenge, but there's also the commodity that people can't get anywhere else is entertaining shows.
02:25:37.000 Like, you could have a free show that sucks, and there's plenty of those out there.
02:25:45.000 But if you're good at what you do, and you already have an audience, because I say it all the time, Carolla had the greatest line once he was being interviewed, and someone said, how do you make a successful podcast?
02:25:58.000 He goes, oh, okay, rule number one, be famous!
02:26:02.000 And it's like, yeah, you gotta...
02:26:04.000 So I figured if we get up and running in a month, me and Keith figured it out, that we could hold on to a lot of the ONA audience that would come over and subscribe.
02:26:15.000 Get it quick.
02:26:15.000 Just get it quick.
02:26:16.000 Get up, yeah.
02:26:17.000 And that's why, thank God, I had that studio already built in my basement.
02:26:20.000 Yeah.
02:26:21.000 I was able to...
02:26:22.000 All we needed was the logistics of pumping it out onto the internet in a bigger number than I was doing at 3 in the morning.
02:26:28.000 You were doing some of them outside, too.
02:26:30.000 We'd set up the camera out by the pool.
02:26:30.000 Yeah.
02:26:30.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:26:32.000 My first guest was Dice, which was hilarious.
02:26:36.000 Dice came by.
02:26:36.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:26:37.000 We sat by the pool.
02:26:38.000 And then later on, he went downstairs into my basement, that karaoke stage, and he was singing Elvis karaoke songs.
02:26:46.000 It was hilarious.
02:26:47.000 And that's one of those moments where you're like, Dice is in my basement singing Elvis.
02:26:51.000 How the fuck did that happen?
02:26:53.000 You know?
02:26:53.000 It was fucking awesome.
02:26:56.000 But yeah, so that model worked for us, and it's been working.
02:27:01.000 But I'm kind of seeing...
02:27:03.000 You've got to keep on your toes in especially a technology-based business.
02:27:07.000 We were just talking about satellite radio.
02:27:09.000 You just can't tell what's going to happen.
02:27:11.000 You've really got to kind of look for future trends and whatnot.
02:27:14.000 And maybe more of a hybrid thing.
02:27:17.000 Because it's a balancing act of bringing new people in, and like you said, keeping the people that are there already, but bringing new people in with some free content.
02:27:25.000 So maybe a tiered subscription thing where there is a free level with sponsors, but then a tiered premium level with...
02:27:36.000 Material that we've already had, maybe past shows or something, or extra content.
02:27:41.000 So we're always trying to think of what might be a good option.
02:27:46.000 When I first fired this thing up, we had no fucking clue.
02:27:51.000 I mean, this was...
02:27:52.000 Usually you would kind of do some kind of a research testing or whatever, marketing analysis of day parts and shit like that, and I just was like, I could be here by 4 p.m., How long is the show gonna be?
02:28:07.000 Six?
02:28:08.000 Two hours?
02:28:09.000 I could go out at six and I don't have to be there until 4pm?
02:28:09.000 Four to six?
02:28:14.000 It's fucking easy.
02:28:15.000 It still lets me party.
02:28:17.000 Monday through Friday?
02:28:18.000 Fuck that!
02:28:19.000 I want a three-day weekend all the time for the rest of my life.
02:28:22.000 So that's what we do.
02:28:24.000 Monday through Thursday.
02:28:25.000 And then we have programming on Friday in the slot that I'm supposed to be in during the week.
02:28:31.000 So it just...
02:28:32.000 I wanted...
02:28:33.000 I didn't want to...
02:28:35.000 Fucking be driving myself like that forever.
02:28:39.000 So, cut back on the hours, the days, and it worked.
02:28:43.000 So, you know, I'm very happy with that.
02:28:45.000 But again, you know, we're always assessing and seeing what we can do to kind of build it.
02:28:49.000 Because it is that trade-off of audience.
02:28:51.000 Like, obviously, we're not going to get as many people watching on a subscriber base than we would if it was free with spots.
02:28:58.000 But...
02:28:59.000 Do you want to cut down on the paid subscribers and boost it up?
02:29:04.000 And then how far do I go with advertisers where somebody can call them and fuck me over now?
02:29:10.000 And do I truly have free speech now or as free as I can be with a subscriber base?
02:29:15.000 So it's a balancing act.
02:29:18.000 I see what you're saying.
02:29:18.000 You don't want to totally abandon the subscriber model because then you're at the mercy of advertisers.
02:29:24.000 Of advertisers.
02:29:26.000 We have advertisers now.
02:29:27.000 We have a couple of them that we pop maybe two spots on a show.
02:29:32.000 They're all live reads, so I make them fun and funny.
02:29:37.000 I learned that from Howard years ago when Howard would go to spots before he was syndicated, too, when he had all the time in the world.
02:29:45.000 Sometimes you didn't even know he was still in a commercial break.
02:29:47.000 It was just funny.
02:29:49.000 So I try to keep it light and fun and add in things so it doesn't feel so intrusive.
02:29:55.000 But I don't live and die by sponsors.
02:29:57.000 It kind of supplements...
02:29:59.000 The subscribers stuff.
02:30:01.000 So that works.
02:30:04.000 And I don't know, maybe I'm paranoid because of my past that sponsors might get pissed at what I'm saying, but when I look at the shows, especially the shows I've been doing in the past year or so, they're not as harsh as they were.
02:30:20.000 I was really fucking angry.
02:30:23.000 Uh, like five years ago when I started this whole thing.
02:30:25.000 I can't believe it.
02:30:26.000 It's almost five years already that I've been doing this at Compound Media.
02:30:29.000 And, uh, I was just pissed.
02:30:31.000 And the show was a platform of, like, venting and revenge.
02:30:37.000 And, like, I just, I wanted to fucking yell and be pissed about things.
02:30:41.000 Bang the desk about politics and society.
02:30:45.000 And, uh, it came off as very angry.
02:30:50.000 Uh, And then as time went on, I realized people were telling me, God, dude, just be funny.
02:30:59.000 Just joke about shit.
02:31:01.000 You don't have to be serious.
02:31:02.000 I thought for some reason I had to do almost like a political show.
02:31:06.000 Because of the fact that you had gone through so much shit.
02:31:09.000 I was resentful.
02:31:09.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:31:10.000 I was pissed.
02:31:12.000 And it's one of those things that really carried over onto the show.
02:31:17.000 But in the past couple of years, I guess it's been...
02:31:21.000 Especially with bringing Artie Lang on board for the eight months he was with me.
02:31:25.000 It's very difficult to get into any kind of commentary on society with Artie Lang sitting there.
02:31:31.000 How was that?
02:31:32.000 It was odd.
02:31:33.000 It was great.
02:31:34.000 I mean, you know, the preface everyone gives is, fucking love Artie.
02:31:38.000 He's hilariously funny, so quick, and just a goofy, knock-around regular guy.
02:31:45.000 But the demons, man.
02:31:47.000 The demons.
02:31:48.000 It was...
02:31:49.000 Kind of rough to deal with.
02:31:51.000 Like I said, I'm a relaxed guy.
02:31:53.000 If Artie didn't show up one day, I'd do the show myself.
02:31:55.000 Didn't he do the show with Opie for a while?
02:31:59.000 No, he was a guest on Opie's show, and I guess Opie approached him to be a co-host or something, and he said no.
02:32:08.000 But yeah, he was never part of the show.
02:32:09.000 I thought he was going to be part of the show.
02:32:11.000 Yeah, there was kind of a rumor going around for a while.
02:32:14.000 So when he came on, I was like, it's not going to kill me if he doesn't show up.
02:32:19.000 You know, for a day every so often because I'll just do the show myself.
02:32:23.000 But it turned out to be a little more than that.
02:32:26.000 And there were some days that were really good and other days where it was a little frayed around the edges and, you know, redundant.
02:32:33.000 He's got different kind of demons.
02:32:35.000 He's got, like, Beelzebub.
02:32:37.000 He's got like the main demon.
02:32:39.000 He really does, man.
02:32:40.000 And it's so fucking sad to see because, I mean, there's no question about the talent there.
02:32:47.000 He's hilarious.
02:32:48.000 And a great guy.
02:32:49.000 You always hear that.
02:32:49.000 Great guy.
02:32:51.000 Yeah.
02:32:51.000 Always hear that.
02:32:52.000 Yeah.
02:32:52.000 I remember when we hired him, I was at the Comedy Cellar, and Dave Attell came up and he goes, so you're working with Artie.
02:33:01.000 I'm like, yeah.
02:33:02.000 He goes, well, welcome to the wonderful world of the 3 a.m.
02:33:05.000 phone calls and not being able to find him.
02:33:09.000 I'm like, oh, fuck, what did we get ourselves into?
02:33:11.000 And that's kind of what we got ourselves into.
02:33:13.000 But again, I mean, I had a great time.
02:33:16.000 His...
02:33:17.000 He's one of the funniest motherfuckers, especially on a mic like that.
02:33:21.000 Who would think that when Jackie Martling left the Stern show, they'd be able to replace him with somebody that was just funny as fuck and have legendary shows with Artie on.
02:33:35.000 He definitely earned a place in broadcast history, but after eight months, it got a little too crazy, unpredictable, and you need some predictability.
02:33:46.000 What was bad about it?
02:33:47.000 Well, it was the attendance issue was a little odd.
02:33:52.000 Sounded like a principal.
02:33:53.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:33:54.000 The attendance.
02:33:55.000 He was tardy.
02:33:58.000 And there were some days he was fucking just, most days he was awesome.
02:34:02.000 But there were some days where, you know, the head's down, it was kind of a little iffy.
02:34:08.000 And, you know, regardless, I know he knows that, too.
02:34:11.000 I mean, he lives in that body.
02:34:14.000 So, you know, he knows it.
02:34:15.000 So it was a little odd.
02:34:18.000 And then we picked up Dave Landau, who's a young comic out of Detroit.
02:34:22.000 He filled in a couple of times when...
02:34:24.000 We had him as a guest on the show, and then he filled in a couple of times during Artie's few sabbaticals that he was away for a week or so.
02:34:33.000 And me and Dave just hit it off.
02:34:35.000 He's got a great sense of humor.
02:34:37.000 He's a little twisted.
02:34:38.000 He's got a great backstory.
02:34:40.000 The guy was just a fucking piece of shit for a long time.
02:34:43.000 Really?
02:34:44.000 His story's about drunk driving.
02:34:47.000 He crashed every car he had.
02:34:48.000 He was arrested 15 times before he was 18. Like, just a disaster.
02:34:54.000 And you look at him now, he's got a great wife, a beautiful kid, he's a working comic, and he's awesome.
02:35:02.000 He knows how to co-host my show.
02:35:05.000 He gets it.
02:35:08.000 We don't step on each other.
02:35:10.000 He knows exactly what to throw in and when, so really happy with Dave Landau.
02:35:16.000 He's a great guy.
02:35:17.000 I only did one show with him the last time I was in town with you, but he's great.
02:35:21.000 Yeah, he's a good guy.
02:35:22.000 Smart dude.
02:35:23.000 Yeah, smart and really decent.
02:35:25.000 It's so weird to see people that you didn't know when they were such fuck-ups and fucked up.
02:35:31.000 Because you almost want to go, all right, come on, just drink one night.
02:35:36.000 I want to see what a disaster you are.
02:35:39.000 Because you just don't know how fucked up people can get.
02:35:43.000 But you never know.
02:35:44.000 He's a decent guy.
02:35:47.000 I like what you're doing, man.
02:35:48.000 I love it.
02:35:49.000 I love that you're doing something different, and you basically got put into a corner, and you said, all right, I'm going to figure my way out of this.
02:35:58.000 It was a lifeboat at first.
02:35:59.000 But you really expanded it now, and it's become a really interesting thing.
02:36:04.000 Yeah, and I never expected it.
02:36:07.000 I gave it a lot of thought...
02:36:10.000 In between being fired and when we finally fired it up, Compound Media, I was like, what do I do?
02:36:17.000 Do I go fucking buy a ranch somewhere in the middle of the sticks and get guns and write a manifesto or something?
02:36:25.000 Or, you know, I didn't know what to do.
02:36:28.000 No one was knocking on my door to fucking give me a job, so...
02:36:34.000 Yeah.
02:36:55.000 During the course of that year, we started getting other shows.
02:36:57.000 Legion of Skanks, the guys out there, Big Jay Oakerson and Dave Smith.
02:37:02.000 No, no, they have their own thing.
02:37:04.000 Luis J. Gomez.
02:37:05.000 Yeah, they got their own thing on their own network.
02:37:09.000 But for a while, they were doing their show from my house.
02:37:12.000 That's awesome.
02:37:13.000 Which was so weird.
02:37:14.000 It was like, because you need their legion of skanks with them.
02:37:18.000 Part of their show is that live audience.
02:37:20.000 So I'd have people coming into my backyard that I didn't know from a hole in the wall that had driven out to Roslyn Long Island to sit on folding chairs in front of the guys.
02:37:30.000 And I'm walking around my basement like...
02:37:32.000 Who are they?
02:37:33.000 This is a little weird.
02:37:34.000 It's a little intrusive, but it's cool.
02:37:37.000 And then it really started getting fucked up because during the summer months, they'd all jump in the pool.
02:37:42.000 So now they're swimming in my pool.
02:37:45.000 The legion of skanks was in my pool.
02:37:48.000 And it was the weirdest.
02:37:49.000 It was cool.
02:37:50.000 We'd all just have a few beers, talk.
02:37:52.000 You get to know people.
02:37:53.000 So it wasn't that bad.
02:37:55.000 No one ever did anything bad.
02:37:56.000 They respected the house and everything, which was very cool.
02:37:58.000 And then Gavin was doing the show.
02:38:00.000 We got Gavin on board.
02:38:02.000 From my house.
02:38:03.000 And a lot of times it was at night so I'd be upstairs on my couch watching TV or something.
02:38:08.000 He'd finish up, come upstairs and sit on the couch and be like, hey man, what's up?
02:38:11.000 And I'm just like, I just don't want to talk.
02:38:14.000 I talked all day.
02:38:15.000 I'm just, I want to watch TV. So it became a little weird and after a year...
02:38:21.000 Keith was like, let's get a place in the city.
02:38:23.000 It's easier for guests.
02:38:24.000 So we got a place at 35th and 7th near Penn Station, which works great.
02:38:29.000 I take the train in now.
02:38:30.000 I don't have to fucking drive into the city.
02:38:32.000 Although that's another nightmare, the transit Long Island Railroad.
02:38:37.000 But it just works out better that way.
02:38:39.000 It gets me out of the house.
02:38:41.000 It's a separation of personal life and the job.
02:38:45.000 So it works out.
02:38:47.000 I like the little city.
02:38:48.000 Yeah, I started my podcast in my house, too.
02:38:50.000 I think everybody does.
02:38:51.000 My little kids, you'd hear them in the background screaming at each other, Mommy, she took my thing!
02:38:55.000 You know, because they were really little at the time, because I've been doing it for nine years now.
02:38:58.000 Holy fuck!
02:38:59.000 Yeah.
02:39:00.000 Oh my god.
02:39:01.000 Time.
02:39:01.000 Yeah.
02:39:02.000 Yeah, so I did it in my house, and then we started doing some of them at the Ice House, and then I got a place, got the last one.
02:39:10.000 I remember that.
02:39:10.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:39:11.000 And then as the show got bigger, I just said, let's get a big place.
02:39:14.000 Let's just This is insane, Joe.
02:39:16.000 I don't know how much you've shown the people on your show.
02:39:20.000 Do you venture out and show them anything?
02:39:22.000 It's insane.
02:39:22.000 Not much.
02:39:24.000 It's a fucking airplane hangar.
02:39:26.000 This is giant.
02:39:27.000 And everything in every corner is cool.
02:39:32.000 It's all just cool.
02:39:36.000 You've got weights and mats and then that hunting thing, that archery game.
02:39:44.000 Techno hunt.
02:39:45.000 It's amazing.
02:39:46.000 But it is a game.
02:39:47.000 There's scores.
02:39:48.000 You compete against each other.
02:39:49.000 Yeah, you're firing real arrows with your compound bow into a Kevlar screen.
02:39:55.000 The tips are flat like the top of a water bottle, so it slaps it.
02:39:59.000 It doesn't penetrate.
02:40:00.000 I went to a gun range a couple of times on Long Island that also used a video on a screen that was made with giant rolls of paper.
02:40:00.000 Yeah.
02:40:11.000 One horizontal, one vertical.
02:40:14.000 And a sensor would read the light that would come through when a bullet hit.
02:40:20.000 And that would record where you shot and accurately show that.
02:40:23.000 And then after too many holes got in, all you have to do is wind the paper a little bit on each one and it misaligns the holes.
02:40:32.000 So now you've got a whole new sheet of paper to shoot at.
02:40:35.000 Oh, wow.
02:40:36.000 Yeah, and it was very cool to be able to shoot at video targets of, you know, the bad guy.
02:40:41.000 Yeah, well, it's also really good for real-life situations.
02:40:44.000 For hunting, that thing's amazing.
02:40:45.000 Yeah.
02:40:46.000 Because you're not just looking at a bullseye like a typical target face.
02:40:50.000 You're looking at the crease behind the shoulder where you're trying to hit the heart.
02:40:54.000 By the way, you nailed that one.
02:40:56.000 Like the second one you did, it was a deer, just a video of a deer standing there, and it's moving.
02:41:01.000 It's not a still picture.
02:41:03.000 And you drew that back and hit it exactly in the crease behind the leg.
02:41:07.000 That was a hard shot.
02:41:09.000 Really cool.
02:41:10.000 This fucking game is very addictive, though.
02:41:12.000 You'll be out there pulling that bow back.
02:41:13.000 You'll fuck your shoulder up.
02:41:14.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:41:15.000 Because you're pulling back 70 pounds all day long.
02:41:18.000 It gets super addictive.
02:41:20.000 Think about how addictive it is to play video games.
02:41:23.000 Now think about competing against another bowhunter, and you're talking shit to each other, playing this game when the deer are walking out in the field.
02:41:30.000 It's really great practice for actual bowhunting.
02:41:32.000 Yeah, you can tell.
02:41:33.000 It's very accurate, too.
02:41:34.000 Wherever that bolt hit, it's fucking right on the money.
02:41:40.000 Very cool, though.
02:41:41.000 This place is awesome.
02:41:43.000 This is because of you.
02:41:45.000 I can't even.
02:41:45.000 A lot of it.
02:41:46.000 You took the ball and fucking ran with it, man.
02:41:50.000 You really did.
02:41:51.000 This is amazing.
02:41:52.000 Just an amazing accomplishment.
02:41:55.000 You're the guy.
02:41:56.000 People are like, oh, you're going on Rogan's podcast.
02:41:58.000 Oh, shit.
02:41:59.000 He's the guy.
02:42:01.000 You ended up being the guy.
02:42:03.000 Because of you guys.
02:42:04.000 That's so fucking awesome, man.
02:42:06.000 Because of being a guest on ONA and then watching you do live on The Compound.
02:42:10.000 That's absolutely where it all started.
02:42:11.000 Crazy.
02:42:12.000 I just wanted, when I was doing that, it was trial and error.
02:42:16.000 I would go to B&H Photo in Manhattan and just buy shit and take it home, hook it up and go, ah, that don't quite work.
02:42:23.000 Throw something in the closet, get something else and slowly built up what I needed to have it work.
02:42:29.000 My goal was really to have lower thirds and video over my shoulder and look into the camera with a teleprompter.
02:42:37.000 So it looked like the news.
02:42:40.000 But it was done by a drunk guy who would go off and just sing karaoke, horrible language.
02:42:47.000 That, to me, was always funny.
02:42:49.000 It was a parody of a real TV show.
02:42:52.000 I wanted it to look good, not just a grainy camera with a Xbox headset.
02:42:56.000 We were literally just talking about this at the Comedy Store the other night.
02:43:00.000 It was on the television.
02:43:00.000 We were watching the news.
02:43:02.000 And we're saying, how much better would the news be if you get a couple of us and get fucked up and start smoking weed and then just...
02:43:08.000 But the real news, like actual real stories, like, oh shit, look what What the fuck that guy just did?
02:43:14.000 Who wouldn't watch that?
02:43:16.000 And have a version of the news is just with comics.
02:43:19.000 I've actually, after doing that at the Comedy Store and watching that and talking to a couple friends, I've actually thought about doing that.
02:43:25.000 Like having a nightly news show.
02:43:27.000 Oh, is that great?
02:43:27.000 Yeah.
02:43:28.000 Or a morning news show or just a show where one hour of the day is just like you get the AP feed for all the news feed and you've got video to go with it and you do a stoned out or drunk news show.
02:43:42.000 Yeah.
02:43:42.000 With comics.
02:43:43.000 We have a guy, Michael Malice, that does kind of a daily wrap-up show at 11pm.
02:43:49.000 And it's hilarious because he'll put, like, the other day he was talking about Tucker Carlson.
02:43:55.000 And the graphic comes up and it says Tucker Carlson.
02:43:58.000 But it's a picture of, who the fuck was it?
02:44:02.000 Sean Hannity.
02:44:03.000 It was a picture of Sean Hannity.
02:44:04.000 And he does shit like that all the time.
02:44:06.000 And people are like, dude, that's not Tucker.
02:44:08.000 He goes, what?
02:44:09.000 No, I thought it was.
02:44:11.000 But he does that on purpose.
02:44:12.000 Like, he fucks with the graphics and the ticker at the bottom and everything.
02:44:16.000 And it's really funny.
02:44:18.000 He's a smart guy, too.
02:44:20.000 He's a clever little shit.
02:44:23.000 Yeah, so, but that's, shit like that is great.
02:44:26.000 We did an election show during the presidential election a couple of years ago, and Gavin was on that one, and we had all the big American flag waving in the background on the green screen and everything, and we were calling it like a sporting event.
02:44:40.000 DiPaolo was there, and it really turned into like a football game.
02:44:44.000 You're just going, oh my god, we just got Florida!
02:44:46.000 Oh my god!
02:44:47.000 It was so...
02:44:48.000 And it was.
02:44:48.000 We were all drinking and laughing.
02:44:50.000 And it was election coverage like the news would do, but we were just hammered and laughing our balls off.
02:44:55.000 What do you think happens to Gavin now?
02:44:59.000 Because no one bounces back from that kind of shit.
02:45:02.000 It's so tough.
02:45:03.000 It's a different kind of shit that he's in right now.
02:45:05.000 Cult leader.
02:45:07.000 He's in this...
02:45:09.000 They've got the eye of...
02:45:10.000 David Koresh.
02:45:11.000 Yeah.
02:45:12.000 As Mal says, he's got the eye of Sauron on him.
02:45:15.000 Yeah.
02:45:16.000 But once that's on you, it's very hard to shake that fucking thing off of you.
02:45:21.000 Yeah, if anyone can do it, it's Gavin.
02:45:24.000 He's been reborn a couple of times.
02:45:27.000 He was supposed to be done after that trans thing.
02:45:31.000 Oh, not really.
02:45:32.000 I don't know.
02:45:33.000 They gave him a lot of shit for that, and he lost his company.
02:45:36.000 Yeah, but that's like professional stuff.
02:45:38.000 That's not like showbiz stuff.
02:45:40.000 Now he's in this weird showbiz exile sort of place, you know?
02:45:45.000 Yeah.
02:45:46.000 Well, he's on, what, CRTV? Yeah, that's still real?
02:45:49.000 He does a show there, yeah.
02:45:50.000 Who the fuck watches that?
02:45:51.000 I don't know, you know?
02:45:53.000 I see clips of him, but, yeah, it's rough.
02:45:57.000 What is that?
02:45:57.000 What is CRTV? Is that an internet thing?
02:45:58.000 It's another kind of an internet thing.
02:46:00.000 Like compound?
02:46:01.000 Yeah, but more straight news, kind of based.
02:46:04.000 Why would they have him on it?
02:46:07.000 He was on there, he got hired by them maybe a year or so ago.
02:46:10.000 Right, but if they're trying to do something straight, he's not like...
02:46:13.000 Well, he's kind of the goofy, I think the goofy aspect of it.
02:46:17.000 Then they'll have, you know, the regular straight lace guy.
02:46:19.000 Why don't you have him on compound anymore?
02:46:21.000 He got a better offer to go over there.
02:46:24.000 We're not going to hold anybody back.
02:46:26.000 Hey, why are you?
02:46:27.000 Don't you?
02:46:28.000 It is weird, though, because you can be stricken from the record, as they showed with Alex Jones.
02:46:35.000 They just...
02:46:37.000 Holy fuck did they just get rid of him.
02:46:40.000 He is a non-person.
02:46:41.000 They fucking took every aspect of his feed off of every bit of social media.
02:46:49.000 And it's obviously a coordinated effort.
02:46:51.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:46:51.000 Definitely.
02:46:52.000 This is not just one company that also competes with another company.
02:46:55.000 They all just universally decided on their own independently.
02:46:59.000 Yeah.
02:47:00.000 No, they coordinated that.
02:47:01.000 I can't stand the...
02:47:03.000 I am an absolutist with free speech.
02:47:06.000 And I know the fucking line.
02:47:08.000 It's a private company.
02:47:10.000 They can do what they want.
02:47:11.000 Freedom of speech is about the government and this.
02:47:14.000 It's like, yeah, but are you okay with that?
02:47:16.000 Are you okay with a faceless corporation deciding what you can watch and see and hear and who can speak based on nothing but this arbitrary ideology that comes out of a building?
02:47:29.000 Like, I don't like that.
02:47:30.000 I want...
02:47:31.000 For anyone to have the ability to speak about anything they want, no matter how repugnant it is, meet it with a lively debate.
02:47:40.000 Well, here's a perfect example.
02:47:43.000 Forget Alex Jones.
02:47:44.000 Let's talk about what we talked about earlier.
02:47:45.000 Laura Loomer versus Louis Farrakhan.
02:47:47.000 Yeah.
02:47:48.000 Where's your consistency?
02:47:48.000 You've got to explain to me how that works.
02:47:50.000 How does that work?
02:47:51.000 How is it okay for the guy on Twitter to be calling Jewish people termites?
02:47:55.000 I mean, that's something you exterminate.
02:47:59.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:47:59.000 This is Nazi Germany type talk.
02:48:01.000 Yeah, exactly.
02:48:02.000 Like, how is that okay?
02:48:03.000 That's okay with you?
02:48:04.000 But then, I mean, how about, look, it works that way on the left as well.
02:48:09.000 Like, how about that guy that just got kicked off of CNN because he was talking about the Jewish policies against Palestine, and that he's for Palestinian liberation, and they were like, fuck you, you're done.
02:48:20.000 Like, this decision or the thought process that's involved in the decisions that they make is not based on rational thinking and objective reasoning.
02:48:29.000 No, it's so arbitrary.
02:48:30.000 You just don't know.
02:48:32.000 It's based on which way the culture's swinging.
02:48:34.000 Mm-hmm.
02:48:38.000 Right.
02:48:42.000 Right.
02:48:43.000 Right.
02:48:44.000 Right.
02:48:45.000 Right.
02:48:50.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.
02:48:51.000 And they don't get banned.
02:48:52.000 Literally calling for their death.
02:48:55.000 And, yeah, they don't get banned.
02:48:56.000 You know that girl that got hired by New York Times and it was a massive uproar because she had so many anti-white things on her Twitter?
02:49:03.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.
02:49:03.000 The Asian girl.
02:49:05.000 Yeah.
02:49:05.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:49:06.000 I mean, just all that ridiculous left-wing woke nonsense, you know, that you're allowed to be completely racist against white people, massive generalizations against white men in particular.
02:49:18.000 Yeah.
02:49:18.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:49:19.000 It absolutely is discrimination.
02:49:22.000 What you're doing is you're being prejudiced, but you're being prejudiced with a stamp.
02:49:27.000 You've got a stamp of approval.
02:49:28.000 You're allowed to be.
02:49:29.000 Yeah, you're allowed to be.
02:49:30.000 And I love the just rules that are made up that are ridiculous.
02:49:34.000 It's like, oh, you're a racist.
02:49:36.000 I can't be a racist.
02:49:37.000 Right.
02:49:38.000 I'm this or that.
02:49:39.000 I can't be sexist.
02:49:40.000 I can't be this.
02:49:41.000 Who's making these fucking rules up?
02:49:43.000 And how come I am not privy to any of them?
02:49:46.000 Of course.
02:49:47.000 I can't call on any of these rules.
02:49:49.000 The beautiful thing about that is that hypocrisy will eventually bite them in their ass.
02:49:52.000 And people who are rational, who listen to the argument against it, you absolutely can be sexist against men.
02:49:58.000 You absolutely can.
02:49:59.000 Of course.
02:50:00.000 And you are.
02:50:01.000 A lot of feminists are 100% sexist against men.
02:50:04.000 There's this feminist that I follow.
02:50:05.000 Her fucking Twitter picture, the image, the big one, the banner one, says, trust no man.
02:50:12.000 Great.
02:50:13.000 Okay, well, good fucking luck.
02:50:14.000 Good luck cutting out half the population.
02:50:17.000 Don't trust them.
02:50:18.000 How about trust all women?
02:50:20.000 You're going to do that?
02:50:20.000 Well, great.
02:50:21.000 Congratulations.
02:50:22.000 Because you've got about 15% to 20% cunts.
02:50:25.000 And you're going to have to trust all of them.
02:50:28.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:50:29.000 Good luck.
02:50:30.000 You got 85%, 90% maybe good gals, and you're polluted.
02:50:36.000 You've got a polluted population, just like men.
02:50:38.000 There's a polluted population of men, there's a polluted population of women.
02:50:41.000 If you thought that you were going to get pure drinking water without dropping in those purification tablets...
02:50:47.000 You're going to get jarred.
02:50:48.000 There's some shit in there, yeah.
02:50:49.000 You're going to get sick.
02:50:51.000 Yeah, there's no 100% on any of that.
02:50:57.000 Of course not.
02:50:57.000 We saw the whole believe all women thing that happened during the Kavanaugh hearings and whatnot.
02:51:02.000 I didn't do that bit the other night, did I? No.
02:51:05.000 I'll tell you to you off air.
02:51:06.000 Oh, okay.
02:51:07.000 I'll tell you something off air that's...
02:51:11.000 It's crazy.
02:51:12.000 The idea that anyone would say, believe all women, is as mental as saying, believe no women.
02:51:17.000 It's the same stupid thing, because there's going to be assholes, there's going to be pieces of shit.
02:51:23.000 I was saying on the show the other day, like...
02:51:27.000 No one really wants equality.
02:51:30.000 Equality isn't good.
02:51:32.000 The fight for equality is where it's at.
02:51:35.000 And you never want to attain it because then you're not special anymore.
02:51:39.000 If you're fighting for equality, you're always a victim.
02:51:41.000 There's always an oppressor and you're fighting.
02:51:44.000 Once you're equal, you can be called a shithead.
02:51:48.000 You can be called stupid.
02:51:50.000 Everything else.
02:51:51.000 You're just another face in the crowd with another stupid voice that probably shouldn't be heard.
02:51:55.000 So no one ever really wants equality.
02:51:58.000 Equality, no matter how much they're clamoring for it.
02:52:00.000 Even if it does get achieved, you're going to find some reason why it's not valid.
02:52:03.000 Right, why it's not valid, and you can still say that you're being victimized by something.
02:52:07.000 There's currency in it.
02:52:09.000 Yeah, yeah, there is.
02:52:10.000 There's definitely equity in being a victim and not being equal yet.
02:52:15.000 But you're fighting.
02:52:16.000 You can say things that other people can't say.
02:52:18.000 Right, we see it all the time.
02:52:19.000 You can generalize, you can be completely prejudiced, you can do a lot of things you could never do if you were another race.
02:52:25.000 Yeah.
02:52:25.000 And now you see this, that Avenatti guy, that lawyer, just hilarious.
02:52:31.000 He, the whole believe all women, and then, like a fucking movie script, it spins around and bites him right in the ass, where he's like, I didn't do that!
02:52:41.000 She's lying!
02:52:42.000 Yeah, wait a minute!
02:52:43.000 The fact that it happened so fast, like, that would have been hilarious if it happened two years from now.
02:52:50.000 Yes.
02:52:50.000 But the fact that it happened right after it is just beyond hilarious.
02:52:54.000 Well, like the Asia Argento chick.
02:52:58.000 Right, yeah, the other one.
02:52:59.000 The one who was accusing Harvey Weinstein of raping her.
02:53:02.000 Right.
02:53:02.000 And then it turned out that she had, I mean, it's basically, what do they call it?
02:53:08.000 Statutory rape.
02:53:09.000 When you have sex with a 17-year-old boy, which...
02:53:12.000 I don't think it is.
02:53:13.000 I don't think you think it is either, but the law is the law, and the fact that it came out, and that it came out that Bourdain had paid this kid off, and during the whole time they're all just believe all women, and like, don't believe that one.
02:53:26.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:53:27.000 Yeah, that one you probably shouldn't believe.
02:53:29.000 I mean, this is a problem.
02:53:31.000 You got a real fucking problem.
02:53:32.000 And the fact that all that went down, you know, I mean, it's just...
02:53:36.000 When these things play out like this, it almost makes you wonder.
02:53:40.000 God, I don't really believe we're living in a simulation, but if we were living in something that's designed to almost It instills this lack of appreciation for reality.
02:53:57.000 It all seems so bizarre and ludicrous.
02:54:02.000 When Anthony Weiner got in trouble for pulling his dick out, I swear to God, there was part of me that was going, this doesn't even make sense.
02:54:09.000 This is so obvious.
02:54:12.000 It's so right there.
02:54:15.000 It's so on the button.
02:54:17.000 It's not even subtle enough.
02:54:19.000 A lot of that stuff, it seems like everything works out too much like it's scripted.
02:54:26.000 During Trump's campaign, I kept saying, he's gotta win.
02:54:30.000 I go, this doesn't play if he doesn't win.
02:54:33.000 This isn't Rocky I, this has to be Rocky II. He's gotta fucking win.
02:54:37.000 It's not about the battle and the bravery.
02:54:39.000 He's gotta win this for this to work.
02:54:42.000 To really highlight the theater of the...
02:54:44.000 Right, right.
02:54:45.000 He's gotta win.
02:54:46.000 And he fucking won.
02:54:48.000 This is all the spotlights in the air.
02:54:49.000 This is the theater of the absurd.
02:54:51.000 I mean, that guy being president with his fake hair sprayed down and orange skin with the white around the eyes.
02:54:58.000 It all seems so fake.
02:55:00.000 Everything.
02:55:00.000 He says the way he looks.
02:55:03.000 Like, yeah, everything is insane.
02:55:05.000 I still, every time I see him walking down the stairs at Air Force One, I'm just like, holy fuck, Donald Trump is the president?
02:55:13.000 Like, what kind of wacky world?
02:55:17.000 A really wacky world.
02:55:19.000 A really wacky world.
02:55:20.000 Yeah, the other day- When he was giving that speech about Elvis, and it's just like, people told me I look like Elvis.
02:55:27.000 That's what people have told me.
02:55:29.000 If I wasn't blonde, I'd look like Elvis.
02:55:31.000 And it's like, no one told you that.
02:55:34.000 You look a little bit like Elvis.
02:55:36.000 No one ever told you that.
02:55:38.000 Maybe your belly, right when Elvis was sitting on the ball for the last time, but that's about it.
02:55:44.000 How about when that reporter confronted him?
02:55:47.000 Look at the two of them together.
02:55:49.000 Come on!
02:55:51.000 Well, when I look at that picture...
02:55:53.000 People tell me I look like the king.
02:55:55.000 Maybe.
02:55:56.000 Oh my god.
02:55:57.000 Maybe a little bit.
02:55:59.000 How about the upper right-hand corner one?
02:56:02.000 Have you ever seen anyone...
02:56:04.000 Call me a trap.
02:56:05.000 Anyone...
02:56:06.000 Can't walk out.
02:56:08.000 Fat Elvis is my favorite.
02:56:10.000 Fat Elvis.
02:56:11.000 Because I love you too much, baby.
02:56:15.000 Of course, a thousand memes now.
02:56:17.000 Yeah.
02:56:18.000 Yeah.
02:56:18.000 Have you ever seen someone so committed to a comb-over for so many years?
02:56:22.000 Like, so committed.
02:56:23.000 But it's not just a comb-over.
02:56:25.000 It's like a creation.
02:56:25.000 I don't know what it is.
02:56:26.000 It's a wacky contraption.
02:56:28.000 The video of him walking up the stairs of Air Force One where the wind's blowing from behind.
02:56:32.000 You see the whole back of his head is bald.
02:56:34.000 Yeah.
02:56:34.000 You're like, where's the hair coming from?
02:56:36.000 It was like a fucking Vader's head without the helmet.
02:56:39.000 It kind of looked like that weird, like, what's going on?
02:56:42.000 You never know where it's starting and where it ends and how long it is.
02:56:46.000 It's chaos.
02:56:47.000 Chaos.
02:56:47.000 Look at that.
02:56:48.000 Oh my god.
02:56:49.000 That's just a picture.
02:56:50.000 The video is more disturbing because you see the flops.
02:56:53.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:56:54.000 It's just chaos.
02:56:55.000 Well, how about, you know, he didn't want to go out there for the 4th of July memorial because he didn't want to get his hair wet?
02:57:02.000 His hair wet in the rain?
02:57:03.000 Yeah.
02:57:03.000 Yeah, that's what they were saying.
02:57:05.000 What?
02:57:06.000 I don't know.
02:57:07.000 That is such a weird thing.
02:57:09.000 Like, he...
02:57:10.000 It was September 11th, that's what it was.
02:57:12.000 The President?
02:57:13.000 The 9-11 one?
02:57:14.000 Oh, it was the Veterans Memorial, or the World War II thing.
02:57:15.000 Oh, was it Veterans Day?
02:57:17.000 Isn't it odd, though, that the President is a guy that's so, like, insecure that forever, for decades, he has to fucking do a fucking Dairy Queen ice cream fucking move on his head every day?
02:57:32.000 Also, he's fat.
02:57:34.000 The thing is, if you're really concerned so much about your looks, why are you fat?
02:57:39.000 Why are you fat?
02:57:40.000 I don't get it.
02:57:41.000 I don't think he thinks he's fat.
02:57:42.000 I think he's like one of those guys that you talked about having...
02:57:45.000 Oh, body dysmorphia?
02:57:47.000 Body dysmorphia.
02:57:48.000 He looks in the mirror and sees Elvis, like young, leather-clad Elvis.
02:57:53.000 Yeah, he's got this weird thing where he doesn't believe in exercise because he feels like the body is like a battery, and if you put any energy...
02:58:01.000 It's going to wear it out?
02:58:02.000 It wears it out.
02:58:03.000 Well, the motherfucker is up at all hours.
02:58:06.000 During the campaign for the midterms, he was doing three rallies a day, flying all over the country, and he never seemed to be like he was falling asleep or losing energy, so I don't know what he's doing.
02:58:18.000 Well, do you know about all that?
02:58:20.000 He says, I get exercise.
02:58:22.000 I mean, I walk.
02:58:23.000 I this, I that.
02:58:24.000 Trump71 said during the Oval Office.
02:58:26.000 I run over to a building next door.
02:58:28.000 I get more exercise than people think.
02:58:31.000 I run over to a building next.
02:58:33.000 I'm amazing.
02:58:34.000 My exercise is incredible.
02:58:36.000 He's on...
02:58:37.000 Allegedly, according to one reporter, he's on diet pills.
02:58:40.000 And he's been on diet pills forever.
02:58:42.000 And there's a prescription that they...
02:58:44.000 I mean, he actually even cited the exact Dwayne Reed pharmacy where he was supposed to take this for like a little while and he wound up taking it for years.
02:58:52.000 He's taking some form of amphetamines.
02:58:54.000 Oh, good for him.
02:58:55.000 In this day and age...
02:59:06.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.
02:59:19.000 Folks that are in Hollywood, folks that are in finance, all sorts of different...
02:59:24.000 Yeah, I know quite a few also.
02:59:26.000 It's everywhere, man.
02:59:27.000 I mean, it is such a...
02:59:29.000 You know, the difference between methamphetamine and amphetamines, the difference between meth and what you're getting when you get Adderall is so goddamn close.
02:59:40.000 It's so close.
02:59:42.000 But meth is crazy.
02:59:43.000 You take that and you're a fucking...
02:59:44.000 You're a meth head.
02:59:45.000 The only difference is how quick it hits you.
02:59:48.000 It's literally the only difference.
02:59:49.000 And then the dosage that you get is obviously regulated if you get Adderall.
02:59:54.000 Right, right.
02:59:54.000 I don't know.
02:59:55.000 I'm not a pill guy.
02:59:57.000 I never have been.
02:59:58.000 What do you got here, Jamie?
02:59:59.000 What are you pulling up?
03:00:00.000 What he says here about being on a treadmill and going on a diet.
03:00:03.000 I was on a treadmill for the first time, actually in quite a while, and it was a very steep angle, and I was there for a very long time, he said.
03:00:10.000 They were surprised.
03:00:11.000 And they said, well, you can stop now.
03:00:13.000 That's amazing.
03:00:14.000 And I said, I can go much longer than this if you want me to.
03:00:17.000 Hey, Trump, I got a fucking, right now, buddy, I got a challenge.
03:00:21.000 How about you join the Sober October Fitness Challenge next year?
03:00:24.000 Oh, man.
03:00:25.000 Hop on.
03:00:25.000 We'll put that strap on you.
03:00:26.000 We'll see what's up.
03:00:27.000 We'll see who's amazed.
03:00:32.000 Everything is over the top with Trump.
03:00:35.000 It's so good.
03:00:36.000 Trump said here, dieted successfully before, I've been more of a believer in diet because I'm strong, you know.
03:00:42.000 I've always been more of a believer in diet because I'm strong, you know.
03:00:47.000 I hit the ball far.
03:00:49.000 I mean, I'm strong physically, he said.
03:00:51.000 That is so hilarious.
03:00:52.000 Would you imagine wrestling him, how weak he must feel?
03:00:55.000 Just a bag of jello.
03:00:57.000 Just grab ahold of his body and smush it.
03:01:00.000 It's all gushy.
03:01:02.000 The bones are barely held together with thread.
03:01:05.000 Like, what are you talking about?
03:01:07.000 You're strong.
03:01:08.000 You hit the ball far.
03:01:09.000 I'm strong.
03:01:10.000 I mean, when he said that he would beat up Joe Biden, that was like a peak ludicrousness.
03:01:16.000 I was like, what?!
03:01:18.000 You're going to beat up Joe Biden would go down fast and hard.
03:01:21.000 That's what he said.
03:01:22.000 Dude, the fact that they're talking like that, again, absurd.
03:01:26.000 It's so fucking funny that, and Biden has said the same thing.
03:01:31.000 Kick his ass, he's a bully.
03:01:33.000 Did Truman and Dewey trade barbs like that back in the day?
03:01:37.000 What is he saying?
03:01:38.000 Nixon and Kennedy?
03:01:40.000 I didn't make a mistake, but...
03:01:42.000 They asked me, would I like to debate this gentleman?
03:01:45.000 And I said, no.
03:01:46.000 I said, if we were in high school, I'd take him behind the gym and beat the hell out of him.
03:01:51.000 Woo!
03:01:52.000 Violence!
03:01:52.000 Meanwhile, I don't believe that.
03:01:54.000 I think Trump would kick his ass.
03:01:55.000 I really do.
03:01:56.000 I think Trump is meaner, and I think Biden would make a mistake.
03:01:59.000 Yeah, Trump better be able to...
03:02:01.000 He would swing, and he would slip, and he would fall, and he'd fuck his knee up, and Trump would kick him in the face like a soccer ball.
03:02:07.000 He would get lucky, and he would walk away, and Biden would be holding his teeth and blood coming out of his mouth, and he'd be like, I told you, I'm the best, the best ever, and he'd get away with it.
03:02:16.000 Just like he gets away with a lot of things.
03:02:18.000 And there would be a lot of people that would want to kick Trump's ass and get back at him, but it would never come to play.
03:02:24.000 No, no.
03:02:24.000 Just like what's going on now.
03:02:25.000 It's like where people thought Stormy Daniels was going to take him down, and then it turns out Stormy Daniels beat some chick up on a porn set.
03:02:32.000 And now she's after Avenatti also, because he apparently isn't giving her an accounting of where all the money that she raised online was going to, and...
03:02:42.000 He apparently filed, she said, he filed that lawsuit against Trump against her wishes.
03:02:48.000 She didn't want it done.
03:02:49.000 And now she's not getting an accounting of the money.
03:02:52.000 It's hilarious.
03:02:53.000 The defamation suit is also the one that she lost, and now she has to pay his legal expenses.
03:02:57.000 Pay his legal fees.
03:02:58.000 So, this Avenatti guy is hilarious.
03:03:01.000 And he wants to run for president, too.
03:03:03.000 Just another dummy in the mix.
03:03:05.000 Another dummy.
03:03:06.000 Listen, he's another guy chaining himself to a building.
03:03:09.000 It's the same thing.
03:03:10.000 It's the same thing.
03:03:11.000 He's got a bullhorn.
03:03:11.000 Everybody just wants attention.
03:03:13.000 I actually talked to a guy who's in Hollywood.
03:03:15.000 He works in Hollywood.
03:03:16.000 He's like a high-level guy.
03:03:18.000 He's got a respectable job.
03:03:19.000 And he's like, we need a guy like that.
03:03:20.000 Like that Avenatti guy on our side.
03:03:22.000 Who doesn't talk any shit.
03:03:23.000 What?
03:03:23.000 Who doesn't take any shit.
03:03:24.000 A guy who could call Trump out on his bullshit.
03:03:27.000 And I'm like, what are you talking about, man?
03:03:29.000 I go, what are you talking about?
03:03:31.000 This guy?
03:03:31.000 This lawyer?
03:03:32.000 This guy's the guy you think you need running the country.
03:03:35.000 Are you serious?
03:03:36.000 He's a disaster.
03:03:38.000 But they wanted to believe that he was the guy.
03:03:39.000 Right.
03:03:40.000 Because it fit the narrative.
03:03:41.000 The narrative is, we need a guy like that.
03:03:43.000 We need a good guy like Trump.
03:03:45.000 This is what Keith Olbermann is.
03:03:47.000 This is what all these people are.
03:03:48.000 A good guy who's going to kill him, you fat fuck, you fucking liar, you piece of shit.
03:03:54.000 Well, Trump has nothing to lose, is what it is.
03:03:58.000 Like, Trump could say anything, and he does, because what are they going to do?
03:04:02.000 What are they going to do?
03:04:03.000 One of the things about diet pills, they were putting about amphetamines, and they were reading down in this article all of the side effects of amphetamines.
03:04:11.000 And it's like spot on.
03:04:12.000 Illusions of grandeur, elevated sense of your place in the world, like all these different things.
03:04:17.000 He is the president.
03:04:19.000 And on top of that, on pills.
03:04:20.000 Elevated sense of the president.
03:04:22.000 Wow.
03:04:23.000 I'm the president of the world.
03:04:25.000 I think he thinks he is, but...
03:04:27.000 He is.
03:04:28.000 He's fucking...
03:04:29.000 But if he's the president of the United States, you're basically the president of the world.
03:04:31.000 You're pretty much president of the world.
03:04:32.000 Yeah, yeah.
03:04:32.000 I mean, at least, if there's a number 1 through 10, you're number 1. Yeah, yeah.
03:04:38.000 Who's number 2?
03:04:39.000 Who's number 2?
03:04:40.000 Whoever the fuck that is, that's number 2. But it's number 2. Number 1 is Donald fucking Trump.
03:04:45.000 Period.
03:04:46.000 Hate him all day.
03:04:47.000 One of my favorite Hillary quotes is really recently.
03:04:50.000 She said, I would like to be president.
03:04:52.000 That's what she said.
03:04:53.000 I would like to be president.
03:04:55.000 Well, you should never be president then.
03:04:58.000 Because that's not what the job is.
03:04:59.000 The job's not some shit you put on your resume.
03:05:02.000 I would like to be president.
03:05:03.000 I would like to.
03:05:03.000 I would like a cookie.
03:05:05.000 Yeah, yeah.
03:05:05.000 That's what it comes off as.
03:05:06.000 I would like to be the queen.
03:05:08.000 I would like that.
03:05:09.000 I would like if you kiss my ass.
03:05:11.000 I would like you to just suck my toes.
03:05:13.000 Like, what?
03:05:14.000 You would like it?
03:05:15.000 You would like it.
03:05:17.000 That's why Trump comes off as, like, just a bad stand-up when he does those rallies and everything.
03:05:22.000 Like, you could tell when he's squinting at the prompter, and he's like, we as Americans must blah, blah, blah, blah.
03:05:28.000 And then you see his eyes open, and he's like, so let me tell you about...
03:05:31.000 And he's on prompter, and that's when I go, oh, here it comes.
03:05:34.000 Here comes a winner.
03:05:36.000 And when he talks about ICE... And he's like, the men and women of ice, just amazing people, a job that none of us want to do.
03:05:44.000 We don't want to do it.
03:05:44.000 And then he starts the crowd work.
03:05:46.000 This guy over here, look at him.
03:05:47.000 He doesn't want to do it.
03:05:48.000 See?
03:05:48.000 His wife knows.
03:05:49.000 Like, he's doing crowd work.
03:05:51.000 He's doing crowd work.
03:05:52.000 Like, what the fuck?
03:05:53.000 It's the president.
03:05:55.000 It's so fucking bizarre.
03:05:57.000 Do you remember that one 90-minute speech that he gave?
03:06:00.000 Just rambling nonsense.
03:06:01.000 And people go, this is the day the presidency unraveled.
03:06:04.000 That was two years ago.
03:06:06.000 That shit was forever ago.
03:06:07.000 It was forever ago, and he's still unraveling.
03:06:10.000 He's not even unraveling.
03:06:11.000 It's just who he is.
03:06:13.000 Do we go back to the, you know, this guy, the whole, and what we need to do, because guaranteed in 2020, that's going to be the pitch against Trump.
03:06:22.000 We need to return to some semblance of society.
03:06:26.000 It's going to be a young, democratic, socialist type character that says a lot of things that the young people want to hear.
03:06:32.000 Right.
03:06:33.000 And then is completely anti-racist, anti-homophobic, trans rights, all that stuff.
03:06:38.000 Right.
03:06:38.000 That's what I think.
03:06:39.000 And there's someone who can hold it together.
03:06:42.000 And someone who doesn't have a good fucking Beosebub in the closet.
03:06:46.000 Yeah, that's getting tougher and tougher to find these days, man.
03:06:49.000 There is some shit.
03:06:51.000 Just fucking graveyards falling out of people's closets.
03:06:54.000 And it's the people that want to be in power that all have these fucking skeletons.
03:06:58.000 Yeah, yeah.
03:06:59.000 That's what's the weird thing.
03:07:00.000 Yeah.
03:07:01.000 These people that want to be in power.
03:07:03.000 Yeah.
03:07:04.000 I think it's hilarious.
03:07:05.000 You look at a politician like you just described at a rally or a speech, and behind them is just, it's so well choreographed.
03:07:15.000 Like, every nationality is represented, and you just see, it looks like something out of a fucking Star Trek episode.
03:07:23.000 Hats from different lands and all kinds of things.
03:07:25.000 And it's like, that to me is just as fake and potentially offensive as just the Trump background of white trash.
03:07:35.000 You know what it's like?
03:07:35.000 It's like Laura Dern running Star Trek or Star Wars.
03:07:39.000 Star Wars.
03:07:39.000 That's what it's like.
03:07:40.000 To bring it back, yes.
03:07:42.000 It's like, oh, okay, I see what you're doing.
03:07:44.000 Not that Laura Dern's a bad actress.
03:07:46.000 She's a great actress.
03:07:47.000 But in that role, I mean, I wasn't buying it.
03:07:50.000 This situation, when she's telling the pilot to shut up, I'm like, listen.
03:07:53.000 Stop.
03:07:53.000 That guy's a fucking straight-up killer who's out there flying a pilot.
03:07:57.000 He's piloting a spaceship and gunning down evil robots that want to blow up the planet.
03:08:03.000 Yeah, he's really going to be intimidated by Laura Dern.
03:08:06.000 I remember when we first started running this empire.
03:08:08.000 Oh, shut up.
03:08:09.000 Shut the fuck up.
03:08:10.000 Jesus Christ.
03:08:10.000 Force-fed.
03:08:11.000 Just force-fed.
03:08:13.000 Yeah.
03:08:13.000 Yeah.
03:08:14.000 I can't stand that.
03:08:15.000 There's a lot of that, though.
03:08:16.000 These really obvious theatrical plays at diversity and inclusiveness and progressiveness.
03:08:25.000 And you can tell that they've pushed every button.
03:08:27.000 There's no authenticity to their message.
03:08:30.000 No, no.
03:08:30.000 They have to push every correct button and say all the right notes and make all the right sounds.
03:08:35.000 It's...
03:08:35.000 Yeah, yeah.
03:08:36.000 It's like this thing, they're complying.
03:08:39.000 It's a compliance thing, as much as it is an expression of who they are as individuals.
03:08:44.000 You have to be compliant with this new way people are thinking and behaving.
03:08:51.000 But it's so ham-handed.
03:08:53.000 It's really over the top.
03:08:55.000 It's obvious.
03:08:56.000 It's like a guy named Wiener pulling his dick out.
03:08:58.000 It seems fake.
03:08:58.000 It's too obvious.
03:09:00.000 It's too clunky.
03:09:01.000 Too right on the head.
03:09:02.000 You know what?
03:09:03.000 I heard that some of the movies that are coming out, I think they're doing a girl version of Bad Boys, which is like, why the fuck?
03:09:13.000 It's just, again, like Ghostbusters, which was such a success.
03:09:17.000 And then I saw this.
03:09:19.000 Isn't that how Milo got kicked off of Twitter?
03:09:21.000 Yeah, yeah.
03:09:21.000 By goofing on...
03:09:22.000 What's her name there?
03:09:23.000 Leslie Jones.
03:09:25.000 Yeah.
03:09:25.000 So, I read this the other day.
03:09:29.000 There's a Broadway show of King Kong.
03:09:32.000 It's now a Broadway musical.
03:09:34.000 And they have this amazing kind of marionette gorilla on the stage.
03:09:40.000 Giant fucking thing.
03:09:42.000 And the girl that plays Ann Darrow.
03:09:45.000 And now a new girl has been cast.
03:09:48.000 She's black.
03:09:49.000 And...
03:09:50.000 Now I'm like, the whole gist of King Kong is the fact that it's a white broad.
03:09:57.000 Like the whole island is full of black chicks.
03:10:01.000 Whoa, this marionette King Kong picks her up.
03:10:03.000 What's up with his face?
03:10:05.000 I don't know, they had to make them, you know, almost, you know how the characters look in The Lion King, the musical and something?
03:10:11.000 Look at that, that's so weird.
03:10:12.000 Yeah, yeah.
03:10:13.000 So is that, that's all a marionette?
03:10:15.000 Yeah, it's like a fucking, it's on cables and shit and there's people working it.
03:10:19.000 Oh, how strange.
03:10:22.000 If there's a video clip of it and you see it kind of move, it is strange.
03:10:26.000 Oh, we gotta see a video.
03:10:28.000 But like I said, the whole fucking thing is based on it's the white chick.
03:10:33.000 Yeah.
03:10:33.000 Like, it's part of the story.
03:10:36.000 I can understand you can cast a black actress and a white actress is part, but when it's so integral to the story that this fucking guy...
03:10:43.000 Yeah, isn't that sick?
03:10:44.000 That's amazing.
03:10:45.000 Yeah, yeah.
03:10:46.000 It looks pretty fucking badass, but where's his fur?
03:10:49.000 What's this guy?
03:10:50.000 Get out of there, buddy.
03:10:51.000 Ha!
03:10:52.000 Wow, this is amazing, man.
03:10:54.000 Yeah, isn't that sick?
03:10:54.000 In a fucking Broadway stage, they got all this shit going on.
03:10:59.000 That's incredible, man.
03:10:59.000 It really is.
03:11:00.000 That really is amazing.
03:11:01.000 They got the teeth lit up and everything.
03:11:03.000 Yeah, the lighting is pretty important.
03:11:06.000 That's actually pretty badass.
03:11:07.000 So this is the old one?
03:11:08.000 The old one used to be a blonde chick?
03:11:10.000 Yeah, yeah.
03:11:10.000 No, not anymore.
03:11:12.000 We're going to get a black trans man.
03:11:16.000 Yeah!
03:11:17.000 I mean, the whole gimmick is that Kong has been on this island with black chicks.
03:11:21.000 Yeah.
03:11:21.000 And he sees her and just loses his fucking mind.
03:11:24.000 Yeah, I have a whole bit about it.
03:11:25.000 I heard it the other night.
03:11:26.000 It's fucking brilliant.
03:11:27.000 It's so goddamn funny.
03:11:29.000 It is true.
03:11:30.000 It's like that movie is like the most racist movie of all time.
03:11:33.000 It's horrifically racist!
03:11:37.000 It's so crazy!
03:11:39.000 When the remake came out, I think it was the Peter Jackson remake came out, Patrice went off on it and did a whole thing about what the movie represents and what the chick and the gorilla represents and it was fucking brilliant, only as Patrice could have done it.
03:11:55.000 And he nailed it!
03:11:57.000 Do you know the movie Frozen, the little kids movie?
03:12:00.000 Yeah, I never saw it, but...
03:12:01.000 The girl who can fucking turn things into ice and everything.
03:12:06.000 There's a Disney version, a live Disney version, that they've decided to do.
03:12:11.000 And in the live Disney version, the girl is now played by a black girl.
03:12:17.000 But it's a blonde girl who lives in, like, Norway.
03:12:20.000 Yeah, it doesn't make sense.
03:12:22.000 But they decided to have her be played by a black girl, and people went crazy.
03:12:27.000 They sent all these emails in, like, this is outrageous, like, what are you doing?
03:12:31.000 But I feel like these companies, there's too many people involved, right?
03:12:37.000 It's not like Compound Media, it's just Anthony Cumia making decisions, right?
03:12:40.000 Right.
03:12:41.000 With something like Disney, you have this board, and you probably, in California, you have to have a certain amount of women on the board, right?
03:12:48.000 Can you imagine what that must be like?
03:12:50.000 You have to have, like...
03:12:51.000 Equal representation of everyone.
03:12:54.000 Everyone's super concerned about diversity.
03:12:56.000 Adam Frederick pitched a show, and when they walked in there, the first question they said, he pitched the show, they go, okay, where's the diversity?
03:13:05.000 Where's the diversity?
03:13:07.000 Like, he was pitching a sitcom.
03:13:09.000 Where's the diversity?
03:13:11.000 He's like...
03:13:12.000 I'm just pitching you something funny.
03:13:14.000 I'm pitching you a funny program.
03:13:15.000 Yeah, yeah.
03:13:16.000 Okay, we need an Asian man.
03:13:18.000 We need a black woman.
03:13:20.000 We need a this and that.
03:13:21.000 And again, like we were talking about, it's so obvious that it becomes distracting.
03:13:25.000 Like, I don't want to have to...
03:13:28.000 You have to watch something that diversity is just forced in there because you notice it and now you're distracted and you can't really enjoy the thing.
03:13:37.000 Like that King Kong thing.
03:13:39.000 How do they do the part where the natives on Skull Island, Kong is just like, ah, get out of here.
03:13:46.000 But this one is like, oh!
03:13:48.000 There has to be something different.
03:13:50.000 And it's definitely the hair color and the skin color.
03:13:53.000 It's just what it was.
03:13:55.000 Regardless of how...
03:13:56.000 Horrible it is or whatever.
03:13:58.000 Get past that.
03:13:58.000 It's just the way it is.
03:13:59.000 Grow up.
03:14:00.000 Move on.
03:14:01.000 The time has passed you by, old man.
03:14:04.000 Old white dude.
03:14:05.000 Yeah, old white dude doesn't like when a black woman gets a role that's designed for all black women or all white women.
03:14:12.000 There are so many instances where that's fine and no one would notice and whatever.
03:14:17.000 I don't have a problem with Hamilton or whatever.
03:14:20.000 They want to cast founding fathers as black and Hispanic dudes.
03:14:24.000 Whatevs.
03:14:25.000 Go at it.
03:14:26.000 But, like, when it's an integral part of the story...
03:14:29.000 It's most of the story.
03:14:31.000 It's most of the reason, right?
03:14:32.000 The reason why the big gorilla loses his mind is that he falls in love with the white chick.
03:14:35.000 The whole time he's on camera in the movie, he's there losing his mind because of the white chick.
03:14:43.000 That's...
03:14:46.000 Yeah, just don't make a movie.
03:14:48.000 Right, then just don't.
03:14:50.000 Don't make the movie or don't make the play.
03:14:52.000 The idea that you're going to make the play, but we're going to have a black woman of color.
03:14:55.000 Yeah, yeah, a woman of color.
03:14:57.000 That's what you guys are saying.
03:14:58.000 That's one of my favorite criticisms is how dare two white people have this discussion without a person of color in the room.
03:15:05.000 Well, that's true.
03:15:05.000 Yeah, yeah.
03:15:06.000 That's the best one.
03:15:06.000 We'll probably catch shit for this.
03:15:08.000 But it's from who?
03:15:09.000 From who that can go fuck themselves?
03:15:11.000 Who?
03:15:12.000 Who would be a preposterous idea?
03:15:14.000 The idea that we...
03:15:14.000 Hold on, Anthony.
03:15:15.000 Before we go any further, let's bring in a person of color.
03:15:18.000 Yeah, yeah.
03:15:18.000 A person of color.
03:15:20.000 Otherwise, we are two privileged people.
03:15:22.000 We shouldn't be discussing these issues.
03:15:23.000 That is true.
03:15:24.000 Like, you can't even communicate about something.
03:15:25.000 No, no.
03:15:26.000 You can't.
03:15:27.000 And all we hear about is how we need an open and honest discussion about race.
03:15:31.000 Right.
03:15:31.000 And then the second you try to have one...
03:15:34.000 Shut up!
03:15:35.000 Don't talk about that.
03:15:36.000 Here's one that everybody keeps ignoring.
03:15:38.000 You want to know what's racist?
03:15:39.000 Harvard tries really hard to keep Asian people out.
03:15:43.000 They're making it way more difficult because Asian people are far better at school than white people.
03:15:50.000 It's just the way it is.
03:15:51.000 And they have to balance it.
03:15:52.000 It would be full of Asians.
03:15:54.000 But so what?
03:15:55.000 If everybody got accepted for qualifications, that would be Asian Harvard.
03:16:02.000 But it is amazing that people that are rallying against racial discrimination don't look at that, because that is absolute racial discrimination, but on the other end of the spectrum.
03:16:10.000 You're taking these people that are a minority, they're a small percentage of the population, and they vastly outperform most other groups.
03:16:20.000 And because of that, Harvard has made it more difficult for them to get in.
03:16:23.000 And now there's a giant class action lawsuit against one of the most liberal and progressive institutes of higher learning ever.
03:16:30.000 And they're racist.
03:16:31.000 They're fucking undeniably racist.
03:16:33.000 That is racist.
03:16:34.000 It's racist against the superior people.
03:16:37.000 It's absolutely based on nothing but someone's race, ethnic background.
03:16:42.000 And they're doing it.
03:16:44.000 Well, they're doing it for now.
03:16:46.000 For now.
03:16:47.000 But you don't hear about this from the social justice warriors and other race baiters.
03:16:51.000 They wanted to go on about white privilege and...
03:16:53.000 Yeah.
03:16:54.000 It really is fun.
03:16:55.000 Look, I just like bringing shit up that I notice.
03:16:59.000 And if I notice that they're squeezing diversity into something that doesn't need it, I think it looks, like I said, distracting and it's out of place.
03:17:07.000 And then other things, like the other day, I noticed, and you probably shouldn't even say it, that the Mars probe that just landed on Mars, and they showed the control room at Jet Propulsion Laboratories, and they're all applauding.
03:17:22.000 Could possibly be the least diverse room I've ever seen in my life.
03:17:26.000 A bunch of white nerds.
03:17:28.000 That's all it was.
03:17:29.000 There were a couple of, like, big women.
03:17:32.000 Like, kind of, you know...
03:17:34.000 Lesbians.
03:17:35.000 Lesbians.
03:17:36.000 There were a couple of them in there, but for the most part, it was every nerdy guy grown up and landing a fucking speck A billion miles away on fucking Mars.
03:17:50.000 It's insane because when a push comes to shove, you need the people that can get the job done.
03:17:57.000 And if it's that room of people, it's that room of people.
03:18:01.000 You can't artificially diversify something just for the optic and get the job done.
03:18:08.000 They had everyone in that room had a reason to be there.
03:18:11.000 And I assume it's based on qualifications.
03:18:13.000 But if you notice that or mention it, I'm sure I'll be called a fucking racist for that, but don't ever notice things.
03:18:21.000 That's what the rule is.
03:18:23.000 Don't notice trends.
03:18:24.000 Don't notice things.
03:18:25.000 I feel like that's going away, though.
03:18:27.000 I really do.
03:18:28.000 I think so.
03:18:28.000 I just don't see it lasting.
03:18:30.000 I feel like it's a bright wave of nonsense that's hitting us, and it's going to balance back out, and rational thinking is going to...
03:18:39.000 Here's the thing.
03:18:40.000 This is one of the things that drives me crazy.
03:18:42.000 It's like...
03:18:43.000 You know, address your white privilege.
03:18:45.000 Recognize your white privilege.
03:18:46.000 No.
03:18:47.000 You know why?
03:18:48.000 I'm not racist.
03:18:49.000 Okay?
03:18:50.000 So if I'm not racist, you should be concentrating on racism.
03:18:52.000 You shouldn't be concentrating on people who don't experience racism because they're fortunately white.
03:18:58.000 Because I didn't do anything.
03:18:59.000 You don't do anything just by being...
03:19:00.000 But what they're doing is they're putting you in a position where you're always guilty.
03:19:04.000 And once they put you in that box, they always can shut you up.
03:19:07.000 Because the logic is not very good.
03:19:09.000 So the discourse is not well thought out.
03:19:12.000 It's not really nuanced.
03:19:14.000 So because of that, they want to be able to just push a button and shut you off.
03:19:17.000 And that button is the white privilege button.
03:19:20.000 But you're looking at a reality.
03:19:23.000 Yeah, do white people have it easier than people who get racially discriminated against?
03:19:27.000 Yes.
03:19:27.000 But the problem is not the white people that have it easy.
03:19:29.000 The problem is the people that racially discriminate.
03:19:32.000 That's the problem.
03:19:33.000 So you're looking at the wrong thing.
03:19:34.000 So you're finding someone you want to make them a bad person just by being the thing that you've decided is the oppressor.
03:19:43.000 It's a racist thing.
03:19:44.000 Everything is the same level.
03:19:46.000 Whether you have an opinion about something, just voicing an opinion about something that involves race or sexuality or whatever it is, and literally calling for violence against people.
03:19:59.000 It's all in the same category when it's ridiculous.
03:20:02.000 You could have your personal opinion on anything that is sensitive these days.
03:20:07.000 Like I said, race or sexuality or what have you.
03:20:09.000 It doesn't mean anything unless you use...
03:20:14.000 We're good to go.
03:20:33.000 Never sat down and had someone call him the N-word or anything like that.
03:20:37.000 He goes, never met one.
03:20:38.000 He's been to the wrong places.
03:20:39.000 Maybe that's it.
03:20:40.000 We could take him to some places.
03:20:42.000 But it's like, let's say you have somebody that has a low opinion of black people.
03:20:48.000 And you go into a bar, you sit down, there's a black dude sitting there and you're watching the Yankee game or something and he goes, hey, look at that, the Yankees are winning.
03:20:59.000 Is the guy going to turn around and go, fuck you, dropping M-bombs?
03:21:03.000 Or is he going to go, yeah, I guess so?
03:21:06.000 There's levels.
03:21:08.000 He might have an idea about it, but until you start exercising that, honestly, you don't see a problem with it.
03:21:15.000 There's people that discriminate and they have discriminatory ideas about all sorts of things.
03:21:21.000 It's just when you allow some but don't allow others.
03:21:25.000 When you allow discrimination against white people but you don't allow it against black people.
03:21:30.000 Right, yeah.
03:21:31.000 You create resentment.
03:21:32.000 When you allow discrimination against men but don't allow it against women.
03:21:35.000 Because you feel like women have been victimized so it's our time.
03:21:38.000 It's our turn.
03:21:40.000 Well, no.
03:21:40.000 It doesn't work that way.
03:21:41.000 It doesn't work that way.
03:21:42.000 Especially when you're talking to people that aren't rapists.
03:21:44.000 Right.
03:21:45.000 You call everybody a rapist, and the people who aren't rapists, you go, oh, okay, so you think everybody's a rapist.
03:21:50.000 Well, you're fucking crazy.
03:21:51.000 And then they start changing what rape is.
03:21:53.000 Right, yeah, yeah.
03:21:54.000 Well, that's kind of what they've done.
03:21:56.000 I mean, obviously, like the Louis C.K. situation, I know, people are so divided on that one.
03:22:03.000 And my opinion is, if he didn't make anyone do anything against their will, He's just a guy that has a strange proclivity.
03:22:15.000 He likes jerking off in front of people.
03:22:17.000 Apparently, the cat's out of the bag there.
03:22:19.000 But were those girls that upset 20 years ago?
03:22:24.000 Were they that upset 20 years ago that now it's an issue?
03:22:29.000 Or were they giggling?
03:22:30.000 I need to know how they were then.
03:22:33.000 Because I don't give a fuck what you think now.
03:22:35.000 At the time...
03:22:37.000 Was it okay?
03:22:38.000 Was it cool with you?
03:22:39.000 Did you sit there and fucking elbow to the ribs with your girlfriend and go, look at this guy jerking off in front of us?
03:22:46.000 To me, I don't care what time is done, because the way something looks, the morality or ethics or respect that is expected in 2018...
03:22:59.000 Ain't what it was 20 years ago.
03:23:01.000 Right.
03:23:01.000 So you can't be held liable for something you did 20 years ago when it was normal or a little strange or whatever the fuck it was.
03:23:08.000 Well, I think it's always been weird to beat off in front of people.
03:23:11.000 That's an odd thing to do.
03:23:12.000 The thing about it is, though, he asked if he could.
03:23:15.000 Right.
03:23:15.000 And this is something that I've brought up to people.
03:23:17.000 I go, you know, and people say, oh, you know, he would lock these women in a room and beat off to them.
03:23:21.000 I go, stop.
03:23:21.000 Okay, if you're gonna push this, you're saying that because that fits your narrative.
03:23:27.000 That he's this abusive person who's abusing his power.
03:23:30.000 Now here's another problem with that.
03:23:31.000 When this was all going down, he wasn't very famous.
03:23:34.000 No, that's just it too.
03:23:35.000 So what power was he abusing?
03:23:37.000 He was a successful comedian.
03:23:39.000 He was admired by his peers because he was really funny.
03:23:42.000 But he wasn't Louis C.K., like the superstar filling out Madison Square Garden Louis C.K. It wasn't the same guy.
03:23:49.000 He didn't even have all the HBO specials and all the Netflix specials.
03:23:53.000 It wasn't the same guy.
03:23:54.000 So he was just another comic that liked to beat off in front of people, and he would ask first.
03:23:59.000 So when you say that he forced these women and wouldn't let them leave, none of them say that.
03:24:04.000 In fact, he asked, and when they said no, he didn't do it.
03:24:08.000 He didn't say, oh, well, good, you don't want me to beat off?
03:24:11.000 That'll make it feel even better when I beat off in front of you.
03:24:15.000 Shut the fuck up and sit down.
03:24:17.000 No, he wasn't doing that.
03:24:18.000 No, no.
03:24:18.000 He was asking, which is so strange.
03:24:21.000 It's a weird thing.
03:24:22.000 It's not in the same realm as Harvey Weinstein.
03:24:27.000 It's not even close.
03:24:29.000 No, it's not even close.
03:24:31.000 It's not even close, but people don't want you to rationalize.
03:24:34.000 They don't want you to grade things.
03:24:36.000 They just want to talk about abuse.
03:24:38.000 All abuse gets shoveled into this one little pie chart area.
03:24:42.000 Like, this is male abusers.
03:24:45.000 And then they'll put Matt Lauer right next to Bill Cosby, right next to Louis C.K. Like, well, this seems kind of crazy.
03:24:51.000 And then when you say it's crazy, like Matt Damon said, I think we should make a distinction.
03:24:55.000 They're like, get him off the movie!
03:24:58.000 You can't be an ocean saint!
03:25:00.000 No!
03:25:01.000 No!
03:25:01.000 You become a rape apologist if you say things like that, and it's weird.
03:25:09.000 It's odd, because even saying the word rape these days, like a little red flag goes off in your head, like, how did I say that?
03:25:16.000 Did I say it evil?
03:25:18.000 Did it sound evil?
03:25:19.000 You can't be salivating.
03:25:20.000 Right, don't be salivating, don't smile when you say it, it's very somber.
03:25:25.000 It is strange, it's this, I use the term all the time, because it's the only one that really fits, Orwellian.
03:25:31.000 Everything is so strange now.
03:25:34.000 If you read 1984 years ago, you couldn't fathom things getting like that.
03:25:40.000 But, man, in some cases, it's even worse than expected.
03:25:45.000 You think there aren't un-person?
03:25:48.000 You don't think there's an un-person?
03:25:49.000 Alex Jones, un-person.
03:25:50.000 Wipe them clean from the fucking...
03:25:52.000 That's it.
03:25:56.000 Newspeak.
03:25:57.000 Words are twisted.
03:25:59.000 Like, it means the opposite of what it was supposed to mean.
03:26:02.000 And it's something that you never thought would happen.
03:26:07.000 I always thought, like, you read a book like that or some other kind of...
03:26:12.000 Dystopian.
03:26:13.000 Dystopian story.
03:26:14.000 You get like an orb.
03:26:16.000 It's supposed to be some kind of orb with the government looking at you and, don't do that, sir!
03:26:22.000 26-5302, sit down and...
03:26:24.000 And then it's like, oh, fuck, it was us.
03:26:27.000 Oh, we're the rats.
03:26:29.000 We pick up our phone and we rat each other out and we're big brother.
03:26:35.000 Like, we turned out to be the bad guys.
03:26:37.000 The collective.
03:26:38.000 It's not the government.
03:26:40.000 They fucking...
03:26:40.000 Like, oh boy, you're gonna...
03:26:42.000 The government's going to put a tracking device on you.
03:26:45.000 Fuck that!
03:26:45.000 He comes to my house and I'll shoot him.
03:26:47.000 I don't care.
03:26:48.000 Oh, you forgot your phone.
03:26:50.000 Don't leave your house without your fucking tracking device.
03:26:53.000 Like, it's the same thing.
03:26:55.000 And they do use those in crime cases.
03:26:57.000 Of course!
03:26:57.000 Of course.
03:26:57.000 Everything is presented as a convenience.
03:27:00.000 When I first got EasyPass, it was like, this is awesome.
03:27:03.000 I don't have to wait on a line at a toll booth and throw change in or something.
03:27:07.000 I'm whizzing right through.
03:27:08.000 And then I see a story.
03:27:09.000 It's like, oh, EasyPass using a divorce case to see where the husband was going here or there.
03:27:13.000 And it's like, oh, that's handy.
03:27:16.000 That's handy.
03:27:16.000 And then you see on the insurance commercials, it's like, use this safe driver thing.
03:27:20.000 It goes in your car and it acts like a plane's black box and it shows how safe you drive and they'll reduce your rates.
03:27:26.000 It's like, really?
03:27:28.000 It's not going to be used if I'm speeding and getting into an accident for them to go, yeah, we're not paying your fucking thing because obviously we read that you were speeding and didn't stop.
03:27:37.000 Like, it's all presented as a convenience.
03:27:41.000 Alexa, you literally, your TVs, they all rat you out!
03:27:45.000 It's...
03:27:46.000 Alexa isn't this magic thing that everything happens internally.
03:27:50.000 That shit sends everything you say out, records it somewhere, and then sends whatever answer it's supposed to give back, back to it, and that's what it is.
03:27:59.000 But everything is saved.
03:28:02.000 And do you really know when it's listening and when you're talking...
03:28:06.000 You say certain things.
03:28:07.000 I had Alexa for a little while.
03:28:09.000 I don't know why.
03:28:09.000 All I ever did was like, Alexa, weather.
03:28:11.000 And it would tell me the weather.
03:28:12.000 I could have checked on my phone.
03:28:13.000 And then it started doing things like...
03:28:15.000 I'd just be watching TV and it would be like, I don't have an answer for that.
03:28:20.000 Like, yeah, I don't need that shit.
03:28:22.000 I don't know what it's doing.
03:28:23.000 I don't know what it's...
03:28:24.000 So it's listening to dialogue from the television?
03:28:25.000 From maybe the TV? Maybe it's just listening to every fucking thing I say and sending a transcript somewhere.
03:28:32.000 I think it is listening to every fucking thing you say.
03:28:32.000 Because then you can go to the app on your phone and every question you ever asked it is listed there in text fucking form.
03:28:40.000 Swear to you.
03:28:41.000 Every conversation you have with that goddamn thing is somewhere.
03:28:44.000 Well, hey, if you're not doing anything bad...
03:28:47.000 What are you worried about?
03:28:48.000 There you go.
03:28:49.000 Hey, hey, hey, as long as it keeps us safe.
03:28:51.000 Right, right.
03:28:52.000 Keeps us safe.
03:28:53.000 What are you worried about?
03:28:53.000 How about, yeah, if you're not doing anything bad.
03:28:55.000 Well, in 10 years will this be bad?
03:28:57.000 In 5 years?
03:28:58.000 Just like shit that 20 years ago wasn't bad.
03:29:00.000 Now it's a fucking crime.
03:29:02.000 Right.
03:29:02.000 You'll be exiled from society.
03:29:04.000 I don't know if what I'm saying now can be brought up in 10 years.
03:29:08.000 And, you know, when I play video games, I say some pretty nasty shit.
03:29:13.000 But yeah, I don't want Alexa or my smart TV to listen to every fucking thing I say and record transcripts of what I'm talking about.
03:29:22.000 And we bring it in our house!
03:29:24.000 No one's forcing you to put this fucking rat in your house!
03:29:27.000 You paid for it!
03:29:30.000 You spent money!
03:29:31.000 And you put it there and plugged it in yourself!
03:29:34.000 It's amazing how we went from not trusting anything.
03:29:38.000 I remember when online shopping first started and you're like, I'm not putting my credit card in there!
03:29:43.000 Now you laugh.
03:29:44.000 You go, what are you kidding?
03:29:45.000 You just drove through 20 face scanners, license plate scanners to get here.
03:29:51.000 Your card is being picked up by a sensor so they can target, advertise you in the mall.
03:29:58.000 There is no privacy anymore.
03:30:00.000 And we love it.
03:30:01.000 We love that there's no privacy.
03:30:03.000 I don't want to go to the mall for Christmas.
03:30:05.000 I go to Amazon.
03:30:06.000 And now there's a list of every fucking thing I buy at Amazon that's being sent to everyone all over the place.
03:30:13.000 You think you got privacy?
03:30:14.000 Fuck you.
03:30:15.000 You can't even move to Montana anymore in a cabin and be off the grid.
03:30:20.000 It just doesn't happen.
03:30:21.000 That's why I love Jesse the Bot.
03:30:23.000 You ever see Jesse when he does, I'm off the grid.
03:30:26.000 I'm going to Mexico and I'm off the grid.
03:30:30.000 And it's like, he's got a show called Off the Grid.
03:30:33.000 It's like, well, you're on the grid.
03:30:34.000 You're on TV, bro.
03:30:36.000 I'm a fighter.
03:30:39.000 Governor.
03:30:40.000 Yeah, he's off the grid, but he's constantly on the grid.
03:30:43.000 There's no off the grid anymore.
03:30:44.000 There's no off the grid.
03:30:45.000 The whole world's going to be on the grid.
03:30:47.000 Yeah, the whole world, that's what they're targeting.
03:30:49.000 As they continue to expand these satellite imagery things for internet, they're doing that as well, where they're going to have satellite internet available everywhere, all over the world.
03:30:58.000 Yeah, all over the world.
03:31:00.000 It's bringing everybody up to speed.
03:31:01.000 And I was talking about this with somebody else.
03:31:04.000 Isn't it amazing that GPS has worked for as long as it has?
03:31:08.000 Yeah.
03:31:08.000 Flawlessly.
03:31:09.000 It's amazing how good it works.
03:31:10.000 Never a problem.
03:31:11.000 Inch by inch.
03:31:12.000 Like, literally, it tells you, turn right, and you're right there.
03:31:15.000 It's crazy.
03:31:15.000 And I think we have the dumbed-down version.
03:31:18.000 Like, the military has that, the premium version.
03:31:22.000 Oh, sure.
03:31:22.000 Yeah, by the inch.
03:31:24.000 And we have, you know, by a couple of feet.
03:31:26.000 But to me, it's amazing that...
03:31:29.000 Like, it's worked this long.
03:31:31.000 It never goes out.
03:31:32.000 I used to have it on CD-ROM. Like, oh, it's...
03:31:33.000 Really?
03:31:34.000 I had it on CD-ROM in my car in 1998. Stylin'.
03:31:39.000 Yeah, I had the early version of that, and it was a big, stupid thing that had to sit on top of the roof of my car to catch...
03:31:47.000 To catch the satellite.
03:31:48.000 What, like a disc or something?
03:31:49.000 Yeah, it was like some weird antenna that had to go up there that they used to have to have to pick up the GPS. How come the satellites aren't any different, but the receivers can be a lot smaller?
03:32:01.000 It's like it's your fucking phone.
03:32:02.000 It's in your fucking phone.
03:32:03.000 It picks up while it's in your pocket.
03:32:04.000 They're tracking you while it's in your pocket, in your car, as you're driving.
03:32:07.000 Of course.
03:32:08.000 Of course.
03:32:08.000 When it's off.
03:32:09.000 I don't trust any of these electronics.
03:32:11.000 I use them.
03:32:12.000 I'm not going to throw my fucking phone away.
03:32:14.000 And if I do forget it, there's no more horrifying feeling than driving away from your house and going, Oh, fuck!
03:32:21.000 I don't have my tracking device.
03:32:23.000 And you will turn around and get it because you can't function without it.
03:32:27.000 It's everything to people.
03:32:29.000 Again, if there was that EMP or whatever the fuck it is that just zaps the grid...
03:32:35.000 You would see pandemonium in no time.
03:32:39.000 Well, you would see pandemonium if just the power grid went down for any reason.
03:32:43.000 If someone, like a terrorist attack, took out the power grid, we need power way more than we think we do.
03:32:49.000 Oh, absolutely.
03:32:50.000 It's something that you just think nothing of.
03:32:52.000 In New York, we had the hurricane a few years ago, like five or six years ago, I guess it was, and the one that took out Jersey and Long Island and stuff.
03:33:00.000 And we went nine days without power in the house on Long Island.
03:33:07.000 And you could see it fraying around the edges, man.
03:33:10.000 Society just...
03:33:11.000 The first couple of days, you'd be online at the gas station to fill up jerry cans to take back to your generators at the house.
03:33:18.000 And it's like, oh, okay, excuse me.
03:33:20.000 Oh, no, you were first.
03:33:21.000 Go ahead, go ahead.
03:33:22.000 By that seventh, eighth day, it got, fuck you.
03:33:27.000 No.
03:33:28.000 I was standing here.
03:33:29.000 Go fuck yourself.
03:33:30.000 Get to the back of the line.
03:33:31.000 Now, could you imagine if that was you trying to get your kids medication or something?
03:33:38.000 Or food?
03:33:39.000 Like, it just goes a little longer, and now food's getting a little scarce.
03:33:43.000 You are going to have a problem.
03:33:45.000 And I'm stunned it hasn't happened before.
03:33:48.000 To any extent, really.
03:33:50.000 We saw it close with Katrina, I think, and violence started.
03:33:55.000 That was a little out of hand.
03:33:57.000 But you zap that grid and give people they have nothing, I wound up getting a giant fucking, like a Cummings generator.
03:34:05.000 This thing is for backup power at hospitals.
03:34:09.000 So when the power goes out in my neighborhood, literally my pool is running, floodlights in the backyard, every TV's on.
03:34:15.000 It comes on automatically.
03:34:17.000 You just sit there.
03:34:18.000 What does it fuel with?
03:34:18.000 It's liquid propane.
03:34:21.000 How big is the tank?
03:34:22.000 I have two 1,000 gallon tanks buried in my front yard.
03:34:26.000 What in the fuck, dude?
03:34:27.000 So it would last for a long fucking time.
03:34:30.000 How long is a long time?
03:34:32.000 Depending on how much you use, because the more draw on it, the harder the engine's got to work.
03:34:39.000 So it depends.
03:34:40.000 If I'm running my whole house, it would last a few weeks.
03:34:44.000 And it's safe for that propane to be in those cans underground and not deteriorate?
03:34:48.000 No, they're in giant tanks.
03:34:50.000 They're running natural gas into my neighborhood, so I might have it converted over to natural gas.
03:34:56.000 But I like the fact that if the gas breaks, too, I can still at least jack an LP truck somewhere and fill up my own tank, you know.
03:35:04.000 That's crazy.
03:35:04.000 If push came to shove.
03:35:05.000 But it is just, every light in the house can be on.
03:35:08.000 My neighborhood's dark.
03:35:10.000 I'm just looking out, looking, ha ha, fuckers.
03:35:12.000 Ha ha.
03:35:12.000 Has that happened?
03:35:14.000 Yeah, yeah, a few times.
03:35:15.000 I'm waiting for a big one, though.
03:35:17.000 Like, I really want a big, bad blackout.
03:35:20.000 But then they're going to know that you're the guy with the power.
03:35:22.000 That's it.
03:35:23.000 You're the guy with the refrigerator.
03:35:23.000 That's where the guns come in.
03:35:28.000 There is something a little creepy about the prospect that we are really delicately balanced as a society.
03:35:36.000 It could really fly apart.
03:35:39.000 We trust too much that the power's just going to be on, that the water's going to run, that the food's going to be at the supermarket or whatever the fuck it is.
03:35:46.000 You've got a great advantage being able to hunt.
03:35:49.000 You know how many people don't know?
03:35:51.000 Do you know what American refugees would look like?
03:35:54.000 The fat fucking mess crossing some border to Canada to be saved from some cataclysm that happened down here?
03:36:01.000 What a bunch of fucking just weak, soft, know-nothing, every convenience they've used for years, just not trained in the feeding yourself outside in the wild.
03:36:13.000 You have no idea.
03:36:14.000 You ever skin an animal?
03:36:15.000 You ever kill something to eat?
03:36:17.000 Do you know how to get water from just the humidity in the air?
03:36:22.000 There are things that we just don't know because we depend on technology and we trust that it's always going to be there.
03:36:29.000 Because it has been.
03:36:30.000 I mean, you know, we get very complacent, but that's why if it ever failed, oh, fuck.
03:36:36.000 You better hunker down somewhere.
03:36:39.000 It's crazy.
03:36:40.000 Indeed.
03:36:40.000 And on that note, dude, we just did like four hours.
03:36:44.000 It seems like it flew right by.
03:36:46.000 It did fly right by.
03:36:47.000 That is nuts.
03:36:48.000 Joe, I gotta thank you, man.
03:36:50.000 Thank you.
03:36:50.000 I love being on your show.
03:36:52.000 For real, you're the reason why this all happened.
03:36:54.000 It's crazy.
03:36:55.000 Now people know.
03:36:56.000 It's fucking nuts.
03:36:57.000 I love it.
03:36:58.000 Thanks, buddy.
03:36:58.000 Always good seeing you, man.
03:36:59.000 Thank you, my friend.
03:37:00.000 Thank you very much.
03:37:01.000 Cool.
03:37:01.000 Oh, the book, yeah.
03:37:02.000 Yeah, he's got a book out.
03:37:03.000 Permanently suspended, available anywhere.
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03:37:08.000 All right.
03:37:09.000 Bye.
03:37:11.000 Oh, yeah.
03:37:13.000 Awesome.