We talk about the recent fight between Tyson Fury and Deontay Wilder, and the emotional post-fight speech that Tyson did in support of the people who got knocked down in the first half of the fight. We also talk about how amazing it was that Tyson was able to get back up after getting knocked down and finish the fight in the 12th and final round, and how he did it in a big way. We also discuss the crazy amount of money that Tyson gave to charity after the fight, and why we should all be thankful for it. And we talk a little bit about how great it was for the people with mental health that got up after being knocked down. We finish the episode with our thoughts on the recent events that took place in the world of sports and pop culture, and what we would like to see in the future of the sport of boxing and other sports involving mental health. Thanks for listening and Good Luck Out There! -The Guys Who Know Best XOXO -Jon & Tom <3. -Jon and Tom - The Guys Who Knocked You Down (feat. Jon & Tom) - Tom & Mike - Mikey - Mikey & Mikey - Chris - Cheers! - Jon and Mikey's Music - Cheers - Joe - Tom's Music - Chris - Chris' Music - Chris' Song of the Week - Michael's Song of The Week - "Don't Think Twice" - "I'm Too Effing Good Enough" - "Let's Talk About It" - "A Good Thing" - Michael's Theme Song - "Feat. by Jon's Song - - Josh's Song from "Noah" -- "I Don't Know What's Good Enough - "Papa's Song" by Shaggin' - "Let Me Hear It" by Jeff Perla - "Solo" by Ian D'Arcy - "Bobby's Song and "A Little More Than That's Song "Brujor" by Mr. Chacho - "We'll Figure It Out How To Be Good By You" by Soothe You're Not Good Enough? by Fergie - "Goodbye" by Bumble & I'm So Goodbye - "How Good Enough by You're Good Enough By You & I'll Get Better By You?"
00:04:47.000Obviously, I've never been inside of his head.
00:04:48.000But when you're doing that much coke and drinking that much...
00:05:10.000Well, there's always that There's always that part of it where you know that there are those personalities and there's genetics involved and it gets you into the drugs, but then the drugs start going to work on your brain and then it becomes something different.
00:05:29.000It's no longer your own consciousness that's working.
00:05:32.000It's this sponge that just absorbed all of these toxins and who knows what's misfiring, what's happening at that point.
00:07:08.000Another one, this Italian Barolo that nobody knows about, and look at this, it's only $12 a bottle, because nobody knows we have extra cases.
00:07:15.000It became like his, of course, that's what a wine guy wants to do, like turn you on.
00:07:20.000Is the wine thing that a name is just as important as how good it is?
00:08:02.000My buddy Mark Dellegrate and I were in Florida.
00:08:04.000We were eating at this very nice Italian restaurant with a bunch of people from the UFC. And we just said, let's get a nice bottle of wine.
00:09:20.000And there are certain wines, they say, like there's certain Brunellos that like...
00:09:24.000Those should age, and those you can go like 20 years, and they'll get even better at 30. And then there's other wines, at that same amount of time, they'll go sour and they'll get funky.
00:12:08.000Well, there's jumping and then there's bar table jumping, right?
00:12:13.000Like when you play with people on a bar, they think they're jumping the pool cue, but what they're doing is they're scooping under the cue ball with their tip.
00:12:21.000Like they go under it and it sort of makes the cue ball pop up in the air.
00:12:25.000It's really like miscueing is what it's like.
00:15:21.000What it is, is like you have a design and you put it into this computer and you put the, I don't know 100% of the process, but you put the specifications like how wide you want inlays to be and they make them exactly the same size and the points fit exactly the same way.
00:17:08.000Thousands of dollars worth of property has been damaged.
00:17:10.000The protest has started November 17th when French drivers sporting yellow vests led a demonstration of 280,000 people across the country to push back against the rising taxes on gas and diesel.
00:19:08.000The thing that happened, I think it was in Northern California, it was a fire.
00:19:15.000Fuck, it might not have been Northern California.
00:19:16.000It was a fire, and initially they thought it was just a fire, but then the CEO and his vice president were, both of their houses caught fire.
00:19:31.000So then they thought it was like an attack on both people.
00:19:34.000And then they realized, no, it was a murder.
00:19:36.000And one of the guys killed the guy and his family and then lit his house on fire and then went back to his house and lit his own house on fire to make it look like they were going after both of them.
00:23:13.000Somewhere between midnight and 5 a.m., Paul Caniero was walking around his brother's $1.5 million Colts Neck home, armed with a knife and a gun.
00:23:25.000His brother's been in front of the White Mansion when a deadly confrontation unfolded.
00:24:45.000But do you believe that there is a real presence of evil that it's like a thing that takes over people or takes over – you know what I mean?
00:25:01.000Is that more than just people's actions or is it like a force of nature?
00:25:05.000Is there a good force of nature and an evil force of nature that is constantly – Using people and using things as a catalyst or as an instrument.
00:25:17.000I don't think nature is the right way to approach it because I don't think there's good or evil in nature.
00:25:21.000I think nature is actually far more moral than humans are because with nature it's just about survival, right?
00:25:28.000It's predators and prey and they kill things and eat things, but When animals in nature kill, like what they call surplus killings, where wolves will kill like 18 elk and not eat them, they're just going on their instincts.
00:25:43.000These things are there to be killed and they can get them because they can't run away.
00:25:46.000Maybe it's thick snow or something like that.
00:26:52.000And those fiery people, I swore off Italian girls when I was 21. I had an Italian girl take a swing at me when I was 21. I was like, that's it for me.
00:28:06.000I think there's traits, and this is a very...
00:28:12.000This is a very controversial, yet very fascinating field of study, because what they're doing is they're finding out that children that are twins, that are separated by, you know, when they're babies, they go into different foster homes,
00:28:28.000and they're raised by different families, have incredibly, remarkably similar Lives.
00:28:35.000Characteristics, lives, loves, desires, like what they're interested in.
00:28:56.000When they're young that shape their life, whether it's physical or sexual abuse, whether it's exposure to violence, or whether it's positive things like love and encouragement and inspiration.
00:29:07.000But there's certain information, I think, that's transferred from the parent to the child while the child is in the womb.
00:29:15.000And during the conception of the child, I think there's traits that come from the father and traits that come from the mother.
00:30:44.000When I get him up in the morning, he stays in this little room, and when I get up in the morning at 7 to take my kids to school and all that stuff, when I open up the door, he whines like crazy.
00:32:48.000And, you know, people in business together, they get crazy, and they get real resentful, and, you know, they think one person's not doing their fair share, or one person fucks up a deal, or one person's costing them money, and ugh.
00:34:34.000Well, the marijuana thing is different because I think for the vast majority of human beings, obviously there's a lot of biological diversity, but for the vast majority of human beings, I do not think that marijuana is physically addictive.
00:34:46.000I think it's entirely possible that for some people it is.
00:34:50.000But I think for the vast majority of people it is not physically addictive.
00:37:08.000So Ari gave her this breath strip, and then Ari proceeded to talk to her, and she was talking about how high she was, and she's so fucked up, she couldn't go anywhere.
00:38:00.000Those characteristics of these people that find something to belong to and then they become a thing, they become a part of that thing.
00:38:07.000You would find those people at pool halls, you find those people at martial arts places, you find those people that hang out at comedy clubs.
00:38:15.000It's like they're a little off, but they find a thing that becomes the thing that they do all the time.
00:38:21.000Even if they're not like the comedian, they'll hang out at the comedy salon.
00:38:33.000That's where I go, and I know those faces, and they know me, and maybe I'm not totally a part of it, but I can go to the pool hall and feel like I was wanted on my home.
00:38:44.000The pool hall was a perfect place for that because it was a hangout.
00:38:51.000So if you had three or four tables going, so three or four tables would be six or eight people playing pool, but there might also be five or six people just hanging out, maybe playing cards, maybe just buying coffee and maybe ordering a sandwich or something like that and just sitting there eating.
00:40:01.000And people now are in this gig economy and they're working Uber, they're working Seamless, they're doing different things, they're isolated, they're by themselves, they're not working with other people.
00:40:10.000And he really believes that it's that lack of community and that lack of institutions is why we're very, very unhappy as a country right now.
00:40:21.000It makes sense to me as a person who's a part of a vital community, as a comedian.
00:40:28.000Jeff Ross was here the other day with Dave Attell, and one of the things that he said that really struck with me, he said, I almost feel like I'm a comedian more than I'm an American.
00:40:35.000I'm like a comedian first, I'm an American second.
00:41:57.000I think it's less common now than it was back in the day, and this is another thing that I talked about with Jeff and Dave, is we were talking about camaraderie, that there's less competition now than there ever was before.
00:42:11.000Because before, there was only a limited number of Tonight Show slots, there was a limited number of sitcoms that you could be on, and that's what everybody wanted.
00:42:19.000Everybody wanted their own sitcom, and everybody wanted to be on The Tonight Show.
00:42:24.000And everybody was competing for these very limited slots, and there were very few HBO specials.
00:42:29.000There wasn't a lot, and there was a lot of us.
00:42:32.000And so it led to a lot of jealousy, a lot of clawing and scratching.
00:42:37.000And now, thanks to many things, thanks to the internet, thanks to YouTube initially, then podcast, and then Netflix, it seems like the world is our oyster.
00:42:50.000And you could have your own audience, and he could have his own audience, and she could have hers, and all exist without having to poach each other's audiences.
00:42:58.000Yeah, and I promote, like in the beginning of, if you're listening to this on YouTube, it's not on it because it's something that I do in the beginning of the audio version of it, but I'm always talking about people's specials that are out.
00:43:11.000Like now, the Bumping Mike special with Dave and Jeff Ross is out now.
00:43:28.000I think they're great, and I want everybody to know that this is great stuff.
00:43:32.000And if you're a fan of comedy, I want to help you.
00:43:35.000It's like, I want to be that guy at the wine store going, hey, because you want to see an $18 bottle of wine that'll knock your dick into the dirt?
00:47:29.000The thing is we know so much now and we're able to see that all these institutions are flawed, that there's problems with all of them.
00:47:36.000People used to think – my grandmother just thought church is the best and this is the best and they didn't ask questions.
00:47:42.000Now we know everything and we know that all these institutions are flawed and I think we're making the mistake that you can't be a part of a political party, you can't be a part of a community, you can't be a part of a thing if it's not perfect.
00:48:07.000I mean, the right way to address the issues of a flawed institution, and not just to accept them, but to try to create a new institution that doesn't have as many flaws.
00:48:17.000I mean, that's not what we did, but what our founding fathers did when they established the United States of America.
00:48:23.000The idea was to establish a place where you have an experiment in self-government.
00:48:29.000And that's never existed before in the world.
00:48:31.000And this is what the United States represents to the rest of the world outside of us.
00:48:53.000I mean, I don't think it's a coincidence...
00:48:55.000That out of just a couple hundred years, that country emerged as the greatest superpower the world's ever known.
00:48:59.000I think that freedom allows unprecedented activity in terms of innovation, in terms of creativity, and not being suppressed, and not being in total fear for your life for any form of dissent.
00:49:13.000And this goes back to not just religion, but Any group that's in control of any sort of a situation, as soon as you suppress all the other people,
00:49:28.000you limit their ability to contribute.
00:49:33.000This is what has existed all throughout Europe and what existed all throughout Asia, all throughout the rest of the world when the United States came along.
00:49:40.000And then when the United States came along, all of a sudden you have this unprecedented development and growth in this one place where people are allowed to be free, where we support free expression, where we support freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and we separate.
00:50:07.000If you're a peaceful Muslim, if you're a peaceful Buddhist, if you're a peaceful Mormon, whatever the fuck it is, we should all embrace each other.
00:50:15.000We should allow each other 100% freedom.
00:50:17.000And as soon as someone starts restricting that freedom and restricting people's ability to express themselves, you run into real problems because then you don't let these things play out in their natural order.
00:50:27.000You don't let ideas play out where people get to examine those ideas.
00:50:33.000Look, if you look at some of the more suppressive areas of the Middle East, the real problem is that these people live, not just, there's many real problems, but one of the real problems is these people live in fear.
00:50:42.000So there's no real freedom of expression.
00:50:45.000And there's also this real desire for conformity.
00:50:49.000This real desire to establish that you are a part of the group that is one of the good ones that's going to abide by the rules and you are going to show everyone else that you are a part of this group, whether it means throwing gay people off buildings or throwing rocks at women that have been adulterers,
00:52:03.000There's such a giant spectrum of the way people behave and think and the things that they love.
00:52:09.000And if you don't allow people to express their position on that spectrum, then you don't even know it exists.
00:52:14.000Then you create all sorts of deviants because you're forcing them into some unnatural pattern, which is one of the things that I think about the Catholic Church.
00:52:23.000I think part of the problem is that these people are suppressed sexually, like incredibly suppressed, not just suppressed in terms of Whether they're homosexual or heterosexual.
00:55:39.000Like, yoga is, look, I've never had any sex with anybody in my yoga class, but I'm telling you, when everybody's in there sweating and everyone's almost naked, I'm wearing these little fucking shorts and these girls are wearing these little shorts.
00:55:52.000And the teacher goes around and she calls you out.
00:55:56.000I can understand how some of those people get intimate with each other after this is all over because they're so close to being naked and sweating together.
00:56:12.000My friend was not dismissing any rape But it's his responsibility because he has the power and knows what he's wielding, like in a workplace kind of thing.
00:56:20.000It's up to you to be the one who puts the brakes on it.
00:56:23.000That's where it gets interesting because he does not seem to think that he does have any responsibility at all for the people that are working for him, teaching these classes.
01:07:25.000It's like a, it's just like a, maybe because I'm showing up at church and kind of like searching a little bit myself and I am very much about good people doing good things and I've just been kind of conscious of it.
01:07:40.000But then there's always like this rise of evil that like comes up like all of a sudden white supremacists or these riots or these horrible things against people in different parts of the world and it's It seems like it's this ongoing struggle.
01:07:54.000Almost like, why hasn't it caught up yet to the way you look at the world, the way a lot of people look at the world?
01:08:22.000Who, when you sit and, like, kind of analyze them, and they've been the victims of a lot of things, and there's, like, genetic victimization and social, and it's like, so where's that coming from?
01:08:33.000Why are these, this kid that could have been okay ends up in this life of crime and ends up murdering somebody, and where's that coming from?
01:08:40.000Is this just a genetic mutation, or is there, like, a force of...
01:08:52.000And I think, also, the way maybe you and I are having this conversation, the way a lot of people are having these conversations today, just like us, basically the same sort of rational people sitting around I think we need to absorb that much better.
01:10:03.000They made boats out of trees, and they used the wind to drift across the ocean while staring at the stars with a fucking gigantic harp-looking thing.
01:10:39.000But he has this thing on the Mongols called the Wrath of the Khans.
01:10:43.000And what freaked me out is not just how crazy that world was back then and what unbelievable damage and destruction the Mongols created.
01:10:51.000And how they just conquered empires, just moved across the world, killed millions and millions of people.
01:10:57.000But what was really fucked up was, I think, Google this to make sure I'm not wrong, I think that was only like 1200 BC. I don't think that was that long ago.
01:12:04.000So then you're saying it's more surprising that we're doing this kind of stuff and that we have electric cars and medicine and all this other kind of...
01:12:12.000It's more surprising that we're doing that than it is that people are running around killing each other.
01:12:25.000And Carlin has some great stuff on that too in the history of World War I and World War II. But if you're You're watching a documentary on that, and you're watching those people move around, especially that one that you showed me, Jamie, that's been digitally remastered.
01:13:14.000I think from going from small groups of people...
01:13:17.000Which, like, in these small groups of people, they would have interpersonal conflicts, they would have fights with members in the tribe, but they would sort it out, and there would probably be some sort of rule that they would all try to live by.
01:13:30.000But then they would get invaded by people that didn't have anything, and they weren't looking for your stuff.
01:13:35.000And they came over the top of the hill, and they killed, and they raped.
01:13:38.000And they stole women, and they just did that for a long-ass time, man.
01:14:29.000This is the thing, like, people that look like this, that are wearing, like, uniforms and that are, you know, have, like, decent stuff, nice wheels to their wagons, all that kind of shit.
01:15:29.000He didn't want to kill himself, and he didn't want to go to jail.
01:15:32.000So he decided he was going to kill a bunch of people to make up a story.
01:15:36.000He had a plot, and his plot was to save himself.
01:15:39.000And that's when people get trapped in a situation where they're allowed to make decisions.
01:15:46.000And they're allowed to, you know, not allowed to, but if they choose to make decisions and those decisions are horrific and then they have to somehow or another justify those decisions because they never look at their own behavior.
01:16:23.000The type of person that could do something like that, this is a horrific pattern of thought.
01:16:28.000It might have been triggered by the murder itself.
01:16:30.000So it's just a chemical flip in his brain that says, now I can kill people?
01:16:33.000Like, he hasn't done it his whole life, and he's just going to the subway and getting a sandwich with all the stuff on it, and just, like, watching the Monday Night Football, and then the next week he's like, something flips in his brain, it's like, no, now I can kill all the people that I know and love?
01:16:49.000I think in a fit of rage, in a fit of rage, he does something horrific, and then I think he's one of those people that tries to justify his actions.
01:17:37.000I think for sure that when you put energy out there, it affects things around you in terms of the way people interact with you, and that in turn affects the way they will interact with other people as well.
01:17:51.000And I think there's a certain amount...
01:18:43.000Now that guy's going to emit an energy...
01:18:46.000But you don't think there's karma just for, like, you do something bad and then something bad will happen to you?
01:18:50.000I think, I genuinely believe, and this is no crystals in my pocket, I genuinely believe that if you do something that you know to be awful, that that has an equal effect coming back at you.
01:19:05.000Like, whatever bad that you've put out in terms of, like, doing something evil to a person, the way you feel personally, like, about yourself...
01:19:46.000So you might hate yourself more than they even get mad at you.
01:19:50.000So karma's really you dealing with the energy.
01:19:53.000It's not the universe saying, now something bad's going to happen to you.
01:19:55.000You're kind of creating it with your own actions and your own stuff.
01:20:00.000I think it's real dangerous when we pretend that we have any sort of real understanding of the patterns of all the events that take place in the world.
01:20:09.000So when you start to say like someone, something happened to someone because of karma, that's okay.
01:20:15.000The problem with saying that is what about babies?
01:20:32.000But you could say that bad shit happens to us all, but can you create more bad shit by your bad actions?
01:20:40.000I think it's entirely possible, too, and it's also entirely possible that you're creating more bad shit by feeling bad about yourself because you've done bad shit.
01:20:47.000So you create more of this negative energy that you carry around with you.
01:20:53.000But I think that we also have this weird need to define things, you know?
01:20:57.000And I think that we're looking to this thing that we're calling karma And we're saying that this is like this definite correlation between action and reaction and between the good you put out there and the good that comes back.
01:21:10.000And my take is that I think there's definitely something going on.
01:21:15.000But I don't think we should define it yet because I don't think we really know.
01:21:18.000And I think as soon as we box it up and say it's this thing and this is the absolute reaction that the world has.
01:21:25.000When you put good out there, good comes back.
01:22:04.000It's not that far to think then there couldn't be good energy, and there's bad energy, and is that ultimately good and evil?
01:22:14.000Maybe it is all generated from human beings.
01:22:16.000Maybe if you educated everyone and they could all be kind and try and come at it that way, we could actually feel that there was more good, but that's just more good coming from people.
01:23:09.000And that as people keep going on and on and on and on with this stuff, this is...
01:23:13.000We need some sort of energy behind this innovation, and a lot of the energy is conflict, conflict and resolution, conflict and resolution, conflict and victory, victory and defeat, and defeat makes you work harder, and there's all these,
01:23:29.000like, interacting forces that are constantly moving together.
01:23:36.000A lot of it is expressed, the success of this little game is expressed in material possessions.
01:23:42.000The success in this game is expressed in Hamptons Mansions and Private Jets and Bentleys and PAM! I'm winning this fucking crazy game of stuff!
01:23:52.000And there's a lot of value in winning the crazy game of stuff.
01:23:55.000So we let these people acquire all this stuff and you got all these diamonds and fireworks.
01:24:02.000Yeah, but this is forcing more stuff to be made better and more innovation, which will eventually, and this is where it gets spaciest of all.
01:28:36.000You'd be driving, you'd be getting high from the fumes, right?
01:28:38.000I remember when I was working for a fireplace company in the summer in New Jersey, and I was in a truck, and we're in this truck in traffic on the New Jersey Turnpike right by Newark Airport.
01:28:49.000And just the fumes from everything, from the city, from the cars.
01:28:52.000It was just orange in the humidity of New Jersey.
01:28:55.000I was like, if I get cancer, this is going to be the day that it hit me.
01:30:44.000If this guy's across the street from me and I'm looking out with my coffee out of my window and he comes pulling out with that on a Saturday morning, you know what I'm saying?
01:31:49.000Imagine something that's far inferior to the modern alternative, but makes you feel in a way the modern alternative isn't capable of feeling.
01:32:00.000Like, if you see a 1969, like, done up Mustang GT. What was the big one that year?
01:36:07.000I get why some would be suspicious that there would be.
01:36:10.000But if you just see the whole nature, right, the starting off of the tribal behavior and the invasions of the others and the wars that have taken place sort of nonstop, right?
01:36:27.000Well, I think that with that and this, like, constant competition and this constant – and then inside your country, this constant competition economically and everybody just striving to achieve and do better and get crazier and bigger and this is all leading to us just continuing to buy stuff.
01:36:45.000Like, everybody that is involved in this is buying the newest iPhones, the newest MacBook, the newest this, the newest that, the Xbox fucking – how many Xboxes have there been now?
01:37:05.000They want VR. We want VR. We want hyper-realistic VR. I want VR with no gear.
01:37:09.000I want you to be able to give me a pill, and that pill releases a bunch of nanobots that go through my circulatory system and find my brain and juice it up with some artificial memory.
01:37:19.000That's what I want, and I shit them out later.
01:37:38.000They want to be safe and exist, eat whatever, but they just want that safety.
01:37:44.000So maybe our safety is going to come when we're out of the woods, we're out of the wild, we're out of the 20th century, and we're just these insular things that never have to go out and about and live forever and just be.
01:39:21.000Whether you agree or disagree about certain political issues or certain social issues, we should be able to talk through that as a community, but always hold at the top that we're all in this together.
01:39:59.000So if you were offered a job as a stockbroker, and this is a guaranteed job, you have a guaranteed contract for the next 20 years, you're going to make five times as much as you make doing stand-up, but you can't do stand-up anymore.
01:40:58.000There's a different kind of achievement.
01:41:00.000There's a feeling that he has, the way he interfaces with what he does for a living, that's different than what a lot of people do.
01:41:06.000So I would imagine that – Artists would probably be less inclined to go crazy and spend all their money on stuff and buy things that make them look better or make them feel better about the fact that they work so hard.
01:41:18.000Because they're not trying to fill a hole.
01:41:47.000That guy wants to be doing something else.
01:41:51.000You're insanely fortunate that you don't have that in your life.
01:41:54.000But I think, I don't think those people, look, a lot of people have jobs that they're not into, but the reason we're lucky is that our job is our passion.
01:42:03.000A lot of people have the job that they're maybe not into, but they love this other stuff that they do.
01:42:09.000They love being with their family and It's the most insanely lucky thing ever.
01:42:28.000But I think that for people that are hyper-competitive, that don't find a thing that they really love, then it really, for many of them, becomes about pursuing the best stuff.
01:42:39.000And this is what fuels so many people for these status symbols.
01:42:44.000Like if you have an iPhone 8, if a kid sees you with an iPhone 8 and they got an iPhone 10, they feel superior to you.
01:44:23.000Because some of those shows, you see those pictures from the Comedy Cellar, and they're like, One o'clock in the morning, Dave Chappelle's on stage with Chris Rock, and they're fucking around.
01:44:31.000I know, there's always three guys on stage.
01:44:36.000But being around Attell, watching him all through the years, he would always surprise you when someone's father died or something happened.
01:45:59.000I'm not going to do this thing that's attracting negativity to my shows and setting me up as a guy that's going to drink himself into oblivion.
01:51:52.000What if you had it encased in this outer area, sort of like the space shuttle is, but then once you get to a place, you could jettison the outside of it, just like they get rid of those booster rockets.
01:52:34.000Do you remember when that Commander Chris Hadfield gentleman was on the podcast and he was talking about some kind of magnet that they have that collects subatomic particles out there in the galaxy and that we only know 5% of what the universe is made out of when they're talking about things like dark matter?
01:53:08.000You can hang with those guys for a little while, and then you're like, I don't understand what's happening now.
01:53:13.000Well, it's also amazing what we do know.
01:53:16.000Amazing that they can send a guy to space and have him fly around the ISS. Well, talk about what you were saying about why are we here and what are we doing.
01:53:26.000We haven't developed yet something that can go the...
01:54:17.000And then all the people have moved there, and they're going to freeze to death, and there's going to be no food at all, and the planet doesn't give a fuck.
01:55:19.000Maybe all this, like, you keep thinking, you know, you talk a lot about all the robots and the things that are moving us forward, but why, but why, but why?
01:55:27.000And I had the cocoon theory before, but maybe that's not it.
01:55:33.000Yeah, I've had the cocoon theory for quite a while where I think that we are like some sort of an electronic caterpillar that's building some cocoon and then a butterfly is going to emerge.
01:58:19.000I think it is in the same way those things exist in like a biological system, right?
01:58:25.000You can get these little diseases, little bugs, these little things that are off, you know, and then you have an immune system that battles the bugs.
01:58:32.000Yeah, like when you see stuff about chimpanzees and there's like everyone's getting along trying to do their thing, there's struggles, but then there's a real mutation.
01:58:41.000Like there's someone that, there's one that kills the rest of them and won't be part of the thing.
01:59:20.000But if you looked at the actual communities of people from one side or the other, like the groups themselves together, how much are they really in conflict with those other people?
01:59:31.000Probably not nearly as much as the people that are in charge would want them to be.
01:59:40.000Because, right, you take two groups that are at war and you put them together, they're just hanging out drinking beer together, we're all the same age, they probably have a great time together.
01:59:48.000Their leaders talk them into something crazy.
02:00:05.000You know, that's where the world gets very strange.
02:00:07.000And I think it's interesting that those people in those groups, you know, all come from all over the world or all over the country, at least.
02:00:15.000All these different places and they're brought together.
02:00:38.000Like many things, this push of good things happening and bad things, positive and negative, and this battle between the two of them is what creates all this momentum and all this movement.
02:01:16.000Because I think the vast majority of the people that are involved in the religion that aren't the people that are pedophiles, I think they're very good people that probably think about it the same way maybe your daughter would like to think about it.
02:01:27.000That it's some place where people can get together and they exchange affection and camaraderie.
02:01:33.000And this acceptance of something higher than them that holds them to a certain standard and wants them to be good people, and that's good for everybody.
02:02:21.000The reason why they forced priests to be celibate.
02:02:26.000Because what I had heard, and this is no scholarly work of my own, I don't remember even reading the article, I think somebody told it to me, that priests were banging too many chicks.
02:02:50.000I think that when priests own property and if they were married and he died, she would keep the property.
02:02:59.000If there was no woman involved and he owned the property and he couldn't be with a woman and he swore that he was just with Jesus, when he died, the property went to the church.
02:03:39.000This is how powerful this pull is to search for good and to be a part of something.
02:03:44.000Is that in light of those things that you see the wealth.
02:03:49.000It's like going into like a pirate ship and seeing all the shit that they got and then knowing what they do with these children.
02:03:55.000So both those things are, you should just say, fuck this, I'm not going to be a part of this at all.
02:04:02.000But the other part of it is so strong that you actually will kind of say, well, yeah, yeah, yeah, but I'm still going to go to Mass on Sunday.
02:04:11.000I think what happens is you think that even if a priest is bad, that the religion is still good.
02:04:18.000The idea is that this is like a bad guy who lost his way.
02:04:22.000These are human beings that are flawed.
02:04:25.000Yeah, a lot of them are drunk too, man.
02:05:17.000Well, that's what a lot of people say.
02:05:18.000It's like that the church, the other side of it is that the church doesn't create pedophiles.
02:05:23.000Like, the institution attracts them because they know they'll be safe there.
02:05:28.000Well, it's possible, but it's also possible that so many of them that are active in the church, and I don't know what this guy's story was.
02:05:44.000And you would never, I mean, who the fuck understands what that would be like to be a young boy, to have that happen to you, and then get groomed and indoctrinated into being a part of this thing that does that to other young boys in the future?
02:07:52.000We were actually at mass and he was talking about, there was one thing from the gospel that was talking about being married, being with a woman.
02:08:01.000And then he finishes the- Cheers, kind sir.
02:08:05.000He finishes the sermon, the reading, then he goes into a sermon all about being with a woman, and this is a man that doesn't come close to that.
02:08:27.000You know nothing about what we're dealing with on a daily basis.
02:08:31.000Yeah, I never went to the Catholic Church when I was an adult, but it would be curious to be there, to be like a husband and wife sitting there in this fucking church, listening to this dude who is supposed to be celibate, drone on about how you should live your life and what kind of relationship you should have.
02:09:04.000It's really weird that we let people dress like that.
02:09:06.000Because, like, if you didn't, if he just stood up there and had to be held accountable, like, if the volume of his words were all he had, like, if you just made all priests, and I mean all priests across all religions, If they all had to stand on a flat,
02:09:23.000regular stage with nothing behind them, and they had to dress like a regular person like you're dressing right now.
02:10:49.000But if you're allowed to dress like a wizard, and you stand in front of a golden podium with a giant, huge sculpture of Jesus nailed to a cross behind you, and there's organ music playing, you know, I mean...
02:16:27.000You take the biggest fucking loser that ever existed on planet Earth, and if you discover him on Mars, it's the biggest story in human history.
02:16:43.000If you find some guy wearing a donkey mask, jerking off with a bathrobe on, on Mars, it would be like the most important thing that's ever happened.
02:17:11.000If I said, Tom Papa, I want you to bet your life savings, do you say yes or no, there is currently a man with a donkey mask on, wearing a bathrobe, jerking off in Venice?
02:19:45.000When I was flying back from New York yesterday and knew we had this, when I was on the flight, I was thinking, it would be so nice to bring a bottle of wine, just chill with the guys, and that would be so happy.
02:21:19.000And someone who's really good at it, if you get a gal who knows how to use them elbows, they need to fucking get in there and fuck you up, man.
02:26:48.000I understand that there's like a cool movement now and it's a time where women should be able to go out there and Dress the way you want to dress.
02:28:27.000No one's defined what's woke and what's preposterous.
02:28:30.000No one's defined what's just not racist and not sexist and not homophobic, but open-minded and aware of the failings and the misgivings of all sides, all of us, and with no bias.
02:34:30.000Yes, I mean, for sure, if it really is a system of oppression.
02:34:34.000But how do we decide what's a system of oppression and what is weird human behavior that represents the way men and women interact with each other on a grand scale?
02:36:43.000I mean, he's been celebrated as well as attack, but much more celebrated.
02:36:46.000He's under celebration more than he's under attack.
02:36:48.000It's nice to hear that viewpoint articulated in such a clear, concise way.
02:36:54.000He's a genuine sweetheart of a guy, too.
02:36:56.000I mean, I think if people knew him, I think, you know, part of the thing is...
02:37:00.000Some of his views are very powerful and polarizing to some folks who have a specific idea of how things are and what things should be and what represents transphobia, what represents sexism.
02:37:14.000These are all fascinating discussions as long as everybody's just being rational and being honest about it.
02:37:25.000It's like you should hear all sides and you should hear – I mean what he's saying is in a lot of ways is like very true and very real and it's like – But the presentation of it in these times, it's like – he's very brave because he knows that anything he says is going to be a shitstorm in response.
02:37:44.000Well, he's very brave in that respect, but he's also very brave in that he's done a tremendous amount of research on all these different subjects he's talking about.
02:37:53.000And when he talks about something from a scientific perspective, he's not talking about it because it aligns with his beliefs.
02:37:59.000And he will, in fact, highlight things that don't align with his beliefs and show that he has a hole in some of his thinking.
02:38:05.000He'll pause in mid-sentence and go, well, I guess I'm wrong then.
02:38:45.000The problem is when you start calling someone a racist, and calling someone a racist because you think that racists like him, or calling someone a sexist because you think that sexists like him, or because he says things that you don't agree with, if you don't agree with them and you just dismiss them as this really shallow,
02:39:03.000sexist opinion, the problem is other people are going to read what you're saying, they're going to look into it, and it's going to seem silly.
02:40:06.000So calling someone a bad person just because you don't agree with them, you fall into a very slippery ideological trap, and a lot of times people do it just to get attention.
02:40:23.000They want to be part of the discussion, and they might have very strong beliefs that they think are correct, but I guarantee if those strong beliefs are that Jordan is a racist, you don't know him well.
02:41:03.000But what it is, is it's saying that we can all figure out a better way to navigate this than the shitty way that racists and bad people have done in the past.
02:50:02.000Well, outside of beating me or doing something sexual to me, just the mindfuck of dealing with those mean, nasty ladies scared the shit out of me.
02:52:18.000So, I mean, in our perspective, when we're talking about things, It's like we're so small.
02:52:27.000The way we interface with reality, so crude, even though it's amazing.
02:52:32.000Yeah, but I like the idea of the not going into the whole intellectual discussion about God, but just like, you know, just kind of act like he does exist.
02:53:20.000That really kind of makes me give people a pass in the biggest and smallest ways.
02:53:27.000Everybody, when you see people hustling, do whatever businessman, businesswoman, looks like she's on top of her game, person like on the subway who's obviously going someplace they don't want to go with no money in their pocket.
02:53:40.000If you realize we're all just drowning in insecurity, it just makes you just give them a little bit of a pass.
02:53:51.000That's been where my head's been at lately.
02:53:53.000That's a great place to keep your head.
02:55:56.000You take your nervous system and the result of it is you come out and you've rebooted the system and you can now have a good part of the second part of your day.
02:56:30.000All that stuff that's happened just between 7 o'clock and 3 o'clock, whatever would happen, that nervous system has been dealing with a ton of stimulus all day long.
02:56:43.000It gives you a reboot, and it's like a needed thing that's better than sleep, that it actually yearns for.
02:56:55.000I'm telling you, since I really started dialing it in and did it, the best way I can describe it is that it added another four hours to my day.
02:57:16.000And with motivation and I'd work really hard, I would push through and get to maybe, you know, two hours more of what I needed to accomplish.
02:57:27.000When you do this effortlessly without struggle, I'm able to just sail like I did between 9 and 12 that day.
02:57:39.000Do you think by using this practice, you're alleviating tension so you're more efficient with your energy?
02:57:48.000That's part of it, but it really is taking this nervous system that is dealing with the outside world all the time and just giving it a real practical way to shut down Flatline,
02:58:32.000And how long have you been doing this?
02:58:34.000You know, I meditated for, like, since college, just out of reading books.
02:58:40.000And then, probably about three years ago, my friend said, who always did transcendental meditation, he said, go just see if it dials you in.
02:58:52.000Actually, the stuff you're doing, the way you talk about meditating, it sounds more laborious.
02:58:57.000It sounds like you're doing too much work.
03:02:45.000You know, it's another interesting thing.
03:02:47.000If you get the morning one in, you know how sometimes you wake up, you've slept, you went to bed at 11, you're up at 7, but you're exhausted because your night's sleep was restless.
03:05:53.000It gives you this, first of all, it gives you this appreciation that there's different rules over here, but these are still people, modern people, just like you.
03:06:25.000It's a long way from thinking about the three apps that you sit on your phone every day and get your news and get your thing and check your Instagram and check your Facebook.
03:06:51.000But really, it's like, just literally, like when you're on your run with your dog, and you, if you just look the other way from when you normally are like doing your thing, it's a whole nother perspective.
03:07:40.000I love home, which is so weird in a career where we have to travel so much.
03:07:48.000I hate to say, equate it to good and evil, but that there's some weird sort of balance in this life and that we do really have to experience negative things to appreciate positive things for what they really are.
03:08:02.000If everything is positive, if you're the lottery winner when you're five, Yeah.
03:08:06.000And you win that golden power ticket 500 million jammy when you're five years old.
03:10:32.000That's just a guy, and this guy has this fucked up job where he has to dress like he lives in another time period and wait on all these rich white people.