The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1212

00:00:00.000 Oh yeah, come on, let's go!

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00:00:08.000 David Goggins.

00:00:09.000 Your book is fucking fantastic, man.

00:00:11.000 This has been my running partner.

00:00:13.000 The audio version of it has been my running partner for the last week.

00:00:16.000 It's fucking amazing, man.

00:00:18.000 Well, I appreciate that.

00:00:19.000 Thank you.

00:00:19.000 Well, you guys are doing something very unusual.

00:00:21.000 The book is great.

00:00:22.000 I've read it, like sat down and read, read.

00:00:25.000 But the audio book is really interesting.

00:00:28.000 Right.

00:00:28.000 Because you and the gentleman you wrote it with.

00:00:31.000 Yeah, Adam.

00:00:32.000 Adam Skolnick.

00:00:33.000 Adam Skolnick, who reads it, then you come on and talk about things in between.

00:00:39.000 So it's more than just the book.

00:00:41.000 It's the book plus.

00:00:42.000 It's the book plus like a podcast.

00:00:45.000 Right.

00:00:46.000 Yeah, so how that came to be, man, as I was going through this book for the last year, we would go through, change stuff up.

00:00:52.000 I have so many stories, man.

00:00:54.000 We went through, interviewed so many people, so many stories.

00:00:56.000 He would come back and read it to me, all my changes.

00:00:59.000 And when he'd read it, I'm like, man, this guy has a great reading voice.

00:01:03.000 I love his reading voice.

00:01:04.000 And I started getting these different ideas about doing it.

00:01:07.000 Like, you know what?

00:01:08.000 Maybe he can read, and I can do my podcast thing on the side.

00:01:11.000 And he can, like, after each chapter, in between chapters, make it real interactive type of thing.

00:01:16.000 And that's kind of how it came to be, man.

00:01:18.000 In the beginning, I've got to be honest.

00:01:19.000 In the beginning, I was like, who is this motherfucker talking for David Goddard?

00:01:23.000 I was going to call David.

00:01:24.000 Like, David, can you redo this?

00:01:25.000 Why don't you do it?

00:01:26.000 But it works.

00:01:28.000 Right.

00:01:28.000 It really does work.

00:01:29.000 Yeah, like as as it goes on and I got also It's very obvious that you and him are good friends So when you guys are talking then I don't mind him reading for you as much for some strange reason, right?

00:01:41.000 I know it doesn't make any sense Well, I want to say we're good friends.

00:01:44.000 I'm just joking Adam looking here right now He became a pain in my fucking ass during this process man because you know, he's just he's a real anal guy, you know, he he He helped out a lot.

00:01:55.000 You know, I'm a real, raw, sadistic type of mindset and he helped me put that on paper, man, so I gave him a lot of credit for that.

00:02:02.000 Well, it comes across.

00:02:04.000 The book is outstanding and, you know, it's more than just sitting across you and you telling your story is one thing, but this long, detailed history of how you became to be the person you became,

00:02:20.000 I think it's very educational for people because they can realize like, oh, he wasn't always this guy.

00:02:28.000 This is what's fucked up about people.

00:02:29.000 Like you see a guy who's like you who runs, I mean, how many ultra marathons did you run in a row?

00:02:34.000 You ran some insane number.

00:02:35.000 I think it was, I ran eight hundreds in eight weekends in a row.

00:02:38.000 Just stop and think about that, ladies and gentlemen.

00:02:41.000 800s means eight 100-mile races.

00:02:46.000 Eight weekends in a row.

00:02:47.000 A 100-mile race will put you out for fucking six months.

00:02:50.000 Right.

00:02:50.000 And you ran eight of them eight weekends.

00:02:53.000 It's a fucking insane accomplishment.

00:02:55.000 It was nuts.

00:02:56.000 You think about a person like that, you think of them as in this static, fully formed version.

00:03:01.000 You don't usually get to see, and especially someone like you, who you went into so much depth about your rise and fall and rise and fall.

00:03:09.000 It wasn't like a straight, linear process between you getting inspired and you becoming this bad motherfucker.

00:03:15.000 No, it wasn't like, what's that show called, that Will Smith plays, that black guy who kind of makes it in the financial world, Pursuit of Happiness.

00:03:27.000 I never saw that.

00:03:28.000 Yeah, it's a great movie.

00:03:29.000 It wasn't like Pursuit of Happiness, man, like where the guy struggles and he gets over it and he makes it.

00:03:34.000 Yeah.

00:03:34.000 I fell on my ass.

00:03:36.000 I thought I got to the top of Mount Everest.

00:03:38.000 And Mount Everest just fucking slide right underneath me, man.

00:03:40.000 I was like, God, dawg, I gotta start from scratch again.

00:03:42.000 Scratch became my friend.

00:03:44.000 Literally, man.

00:03:45.000 So, you know, that's how you put it in the book, man.

00:03:48.000 Just going up, going down, going up.

00:03:49.000 Just a real raw version of how my life was.

00:03:52.000 It was so in-depth to go back through your life with a fine-toothed comb.

00:03:57.000 That I almost got embarrassed to even put it out there to people.

00:04:00.000 Yeah.

00:04:00.000 That's what I understand, man.

00:04:01.000 Like, even me right now to talk to you, I'm in the car for a fucking hour getting pumped up because I'm a shy, introverted, leave me alone type of guy.

00:04:11.000 Like, I'm still that motherfucker who is six years old, you know, at a play who can't say his line because I know I'm going to stutter in front of five people.

00:04:20.000 So I walk off the stage.

00:04:21.000 That's still me.

00:04:22.000 So every day I'm fighting that dude.

00:04:24.000 So people think, oh my God, man, you're on a podcast.

00:04:26.000 You look so crazy, so evil.

00:04:27.000 No, I'm trying to be locked into Joe.

00:04:30.000 So my mind isn't very off saying, let's run out the damn door because people are watching me on the fucking podcast.

00:04:37.000 I want to open this damn door and get the hell out of here, man.

00:04:40.000 So that's the real me.

00:04:42.000 So I'm not sadistic, man.

00:04:44.000 I'm focused on what I have to do to stay locked into the game of life.

00:04:47.000 And that's why I tell people, man, I go there.

00:04:50.000 I go there.

00:04:51.000 That's one of the reasons why this book is so good is because you're so honest about your vulnerabilities and how you overcome them.

00:04:57.000 And for people that see someone who's a beast, who's done great things, you just assume that they're different than you.

00:05:03.000 Right.

00:05:04.000 But then you hear about your insecurities and your pitfalls and all the things that went wrong with you.

00:05:09.000 And you realize, well, goddammit, those are the same things that go wrong with me.

00:05:12.000 Like, maybe I have that inside of me and I've just never summoned it.

00:05:16.000 Right.

00:05:16.000 And I'll tell you this.

00:05:18.000 I started really realizing that when I started overcoming myself, I started getting around these real alpha males.

00:05:23.000 These hard, hard men.

00:05:25.000 And I always put people way above me when I was growing up.

00:05:29.000 Like, my God, they had to have a lot more than me to get to where they're at.

00:05:32.000 And a lot of them did.

00:05:34.000 But once you get around the best of the best of the best people, you can kind of start breaking them down and realizing, man, you're just as fucked up as me.

00:05:44.000 But all you did was you hit it better.

00:05:48.000 Your upbringing, your mom and dad, your society, the way you were raised, it hid it better than mine.

00:05:55.000 You weren't the only black kid, or there was like five, in a school.

00:05:58.000 You know, I can't hide.

00:06:00.000 Going through Buzz, I was the only black kid.

00:06:02.000 You can't hide.

00:06:03.000 But I started realizing just because I look different than you, a lot of you motherfuckers cannot either.

00:06:08.000 So it started giving me courage through watching people that we all have a story, we all have a jacked up life in one way or another.

00:06:14.000 Some of us don't have the guts to talk about it though.

00:06:16.000 And that's where I found the guts to talk about mine.

00:06:18.000 Well, there's purity in physical pursuits, right?

00:06:22.000 Because it doesn't matter what your social status is.

00:06:24.000 It doesn't matter how people perceive you.

00:06:27.000 When it comes down to how long can you stay in that pool, when it comes down to how far can you run, when it comes down to how much can you push yourself past the part where you want to quit, how far can you keep going, there's a purity in that.

00:06:40.000 It dissolves social order, all that bullshit.

00:06:44.000 What people think about you goes out the window.

00:06:47.000 Who are you right now?

00:06:49.000 That's right.

00:06:49.000 Who are you right now?

00:06:50.000 That's a true statement, man.

00:06:51.000 And I look at it as psychological warfare.

00:06:55.000 And that's where I started learning that life is one big psychological warfare that you play on yourself.

00:07:00.000 You play on yourself, man.

00:07:02.000 The most important conversation I ever had is with myself.

00:07:06.000 And the shit I was telling myself was so fucked up, it was so wrong, it was so misguided.

00:07:10.000 And other people start to write that dialogue for you also.

00:07:14.000 And it starts to be what you say to yourself every single day.

00:07:17.000 And I started creating a whole nother warfare.

00:07:20.000 A whole nother battle started becoming...

00:07:21.000 I was like, oh, hang on a second, Goggins.

00:07:24.000 You have these tools.

00:07:25.000 You have these tools.

00:07:26.000 Your life was basically the perfect grounds for training for where you need to go in your life.

00:07:33.000 All the beatings, all the bullying, all the, you know, you going through learning disabilities, all the struggles.

00:07:39.000 It was the absolute perfect training ground for you to go to where you need to go.

00:07:43.000 And that's how I started looking at my life versus woe is me, poopy pants, kick a rock down the street mentality.

00:07:49.000 It was not.

00:07:51.000 God just hooked you right the fuck up.

00:07:53.000 He hooked you right up, man, with the perfect place.

00:07:55.000 You were training for the first 18, 19, 20 years.

00:07:58.000 You were training for this stuff, man.

00:08:00.000 You have the advantage of everybody else.

00:08:02.000 Versus, my God, they're so above me.

00:08:05.000 They came from a great family.

00:08:07.000 Mom and Dad love them.

00:08:09.000 They didn't struggle.

00:08:12.000 No, man, your struggle is what made you who you are now.

00:08:15.000 So I started flipping this into a whole different...

00:08:18.000 I started being a master of what I was scared of.

00:08:20.000 I was scared of my mind.

00:08:22.000 And I became literally a master of that mind.

00:08:25.000 And that's what now, from now on, it sets me apart from most people.

00:08:29.000 I started diving into that.

00:08:30.000 Well, that is a big part of the story is when you go over your childhood and, you know, your abusive father and then having this great guy that was going to become your stepdad and then he gets murdered.

00:08:42.000 It's like right when you're about to get out of it, everything looks good.

00:08:46.000 Boom!

00:08:47.000 Then he gets murdered.

00:08:48.000 It's like, these things really did sort of set you up to start from scratch again.

00:08:52.000 And just go, okay, roger that.

00:08:54.000 We start from scratch.

00:08:55.000 And now you have that attitude.

00:08:57.000 You developed it through all of these horrible personal experiences, all the trials and tribulations, all the evil shit that people try to do to you.

00:09:05.000 That sort of set you up to be able to deal in a way that a lot of people can't.

00:09:10.000 Well, I used to look at my life from a different vantage point.

00:09:14.000 And when you're in all the muck and you're just walking in muck and walking in muck and walking in muck, you don't see that if you look off to the fucking left of the muck, there's a sidewalk, brother.

00:09:26.000 Get off of it.

00:09:28.000 You have your head down looking in this muck.

00:09:30.000 Once I saw the sidewalk, got the sidewalk, I got a little break.

00:09:33.000 And I got a different vantage point.

00:09:35.000 And then from the sidewalk, I found a cliff.

00:09:37.000 Then I found a mountain.

00:09:38.000 I got way up high on top of my life and looked back down on it and said, okay...

00:09:41.000 I gotta figure this out, man.

00:09:43.000 I'm not going anywhere.

00:09:44.000 I'm starting to lie.

00:09:46.000 So when you have a messed up foundation, I started lying about everything.

00:09:49.000 I wanted people to like me.

00:09:51.000 I wanted to be accepted in some society of life, some social society.

00:09:55.000 And I was like, man, this isn't the right way.

00:09:57.000 I messed up here.

00:09:58.000 I messed up here.

00:09:59.000 I messed up everywhere.

00:10:00.000 And so I realized the worst thing that happened to me is I lost myself.

00:10:04.000 I never had myself.

00:10:05.000 I never found myself.

00:10:06.000 I had no self-esteem.

00:10:08.000 So I knew through working out and through learning, because it took a lot for me to learn also, I started finding self-esteem.

00:10:15.000 Once I found that, that's when doors started opening up.

00:10:17.000 I stopped caring about people, what they thought, being judged.

00:10:22.000 Wow, if I say this, if I started right now, are you going to make fun of me?

00:10:25.000 I stopped caring about that.

00:10:26.000 And that's when my life started really changing for me, slowly but surely.

00:10:30.000 That's such an important point when you're talking about the working out.

00:10:34.000 Because a lot of people, when they think about working out, they think of it as being a physical thing.

00:10:37.000 Right, no.

00:10:38.000 No.

00:10:39.000 I did it for mental.

00:10:41.000 People always say, my God, like, no.

00:10:43.000 Don't look at it like, I didn't care about losing weight.

00:10:45.000 I didn't care about being the fastest person.

00:10:47.000 I wasn't making the Olympics.

00:10:48.000 I wasn't going to pros.

00:10:50.000 I could barely read and write when I was a junior in high school.

00:10:53.000 I wasn't going anywhere.

00:10:54.000 I saw working out as a way for me to build calluses on my mind.

00:10:59.000 I had to callous over the victim's mentality.

00:11:02.000 So, I watch these movies.

00:11:04.000 I talked about Rocky last time I was on here.

00:11:06.000 I always equated training to mental toughening.

00:11:11.000 Like, it always looked brutal.

00:11:13.000 People waking up early and doing all these things.

00:11:15.000 It looked horrible.

00:11:16.000 I was like, wow, man, I gotta start doing that.

00:11:18.000 Not to get better, bigger, and stronger, but that is what's gonna build me.

00:11:22.000 That looks uncomfortable.

00:11:23.000 That looks brutal.

00:11:24.000 And getting up early?

00:11:25.000 I don't wanna do that.

00:11:27.000 So I made this long list of things that I don't wanna do.

00:11:30.000 And through that, I found myself.

00:11:32.000 I started to get, like, I'm like, you guys aren't doing this shit in high school.

00:11:36.000 You guys aren't getting up at five o'clock in the morning running over here in this golf course?

00:11:40.000 So I started seeing myself very differently than the average human being.

00:11:43.000 I was like, hang on a second.

00:11:45.000 I have something they don't have.

00:11:47.000 And that's when I started to develop these things through working out.

00:11:50.000 It was this great, never-ending work ethic.

00:11:53.000 And through work ethic, I developed self-esteem.

00:11:56.000 Now, is this something that you learned?

00:11:58.000 Is this something you learned yourself from exercise yourself?

00:12:02.000 Or is this something you had read or heard about?

00:12:04.000 Like, what made you equate doing this and doing these difficult things physically to mental toughness to being, this is the discipline that you need in order to get your life out of the situation you're in?

00:12:14.000 So I never read anything.

00:12:16.000 I could barely read.

00:12:18.000 I wasn't reading back then.

00:12:19.000 I just saw...

00:12:21.000 I watched a lot of movies.

00:12:22.000 And I was really big into visualization.

00:12:25.000 And I always equated working out to struggle.

00:12:30.000 And I struggled my whole life, but I ran from it.

00:12:33.000 So I started realizing that I got to start facing the struggle and I got to be mentally strong for the struggle.

00:12:38.000 So that's why I started coming up with like, I'm training for life.

00:12:42.000 Mentally, I'm training for life.

00:12:43.000 I'm not training for like...

00:12:45.000 To lift 400 pounds.

00:12:46.000 And I found out on my own pretty much.

00:12:49.000 Is that through this, through discipline, through self-discipline, through repetition, through tons of repetition, the same thing that you don't want to do.

00:12:56.000 And that's the key thing.

00:12:58.000 Through repetition of things you don't want to do, you develop mental, like an armor for your mind.

00:13:05.000 Start to armor your mind.

00:13:06.000 Because your mind's like, okay, we suffer.

00:13:08.000 We suffer every day.

00:13:09.000 It's what we do.

00:13:10.000 We do stuff that sucks every day.

00:13:12.000 So then when the suck stuff comes, You're ready for it.

00:13:15.000 And that's how it started coming up.

00:13:16.000 You know, I just started being very uncomfortable and now it's like just a way of life.

00:13:20.000 It's a crazy thing to figure out though.

00:13:22.000 It's like that you figured it out and you didn't just figure it out, you embraced it.

00:13:26.000 Like when you were talking about your senior year of high school, when you're talking about your mirror being your accountability mirror, like you had a radical shift.

00:13:34.000 Like you just decided to not be a fucking loser and to start tightening up and start holding yourself accountable and get ready for things.

00:13:43.000 So I had this my whole life.

00:13:45.000 I mean, I don't know if people believe in God or what.

00:13:47.000 I don't care what you believe in.

00:13:48.000 There's been this unrelenting voice in my head.

00:13:51.000 We all have this voice.

00:13:52.000 It's the right or wrong voice.

00:13:54.000 And a lot of times that voice guides us into comfort.

00:13:57.000 And my voice guided me into comfort a lot.

00:14:00.000 But I had this other voice.

00:14:02.000 I heard my whole life saying, hey, motherfucker, what are you doing?

00:14:05.000 No, man, we got to go over here.

00:14:08.000 We have to go over here to that rock pile over in the fucking corner where nobody's at.

00:14:13.000 That's where victory's at.

00:14:14.000 We're over in that corner.

00:14:16.000 So this voice was giving me all these answers.

00:14:19.000 I wasn't a real smart kid growing up, but I had this crazy voice in my head saying, over there is where the fucking answers are.

00:14:26.000 And I won't listen to it because over there was pain.

00:14:29.000 Over there was me looking in the mirror.

00:14:30.000 Over there was me being accountable for all these things that went through my life.

00:14:33.000 Even though people put them on me, it's now mine to own.

00:14:36.000 And I didn't want to go over there by myself.

00:14:38.000 But I had to.

00:14:39.000 And this voice was guiding me there.

00:14:41.000 It's God, whatever you want to call it.

00:14:43.000 But that's what it was in me.

00:14:45.000 Do you think that's just when you separate yourself from your ego and your insecurities?

00:14:52.000 If you were giving yourself advice, you would say that's what the thing is to do.

00:14:56.000 So do you think that's what it was?

00:14:58.000 Like your subconscious?

00:14:59.000 Or you stripped away from all the bullshit when you couldn't lie to yourself because it's a voice in your head?

00:15:04.000 That's exactly it.

00:15:25.000 That's exactly it.

00:15:26.000 And you're trying to do a new hairstyle to go to school.

00:15:29.000 I had a hairstyle one time where I shaved the top of my head.

00:15:32.000 You know how old men had their hair leaving their head?

00:15:35.000 Yeah.

00:15:36.000 So I went to school with hair on the side of my head and in my back, and I shaved the whole top of my head.

00:15:43.000 I went to school like that.

00:15:46.000 What did the kids say?

00:15:49.000 I don't remember what they said, but I was just a funny dude.

00:15:52.000 So that was my thing.

00:15:53.000 I was the funny dude that came into school like Chris Cross came out when I was in high school.

00:15:58.000 So my pants were backwards.

00:15:59.000 I said, you know what?

00:16:00.000 I had my pants backwards, sag down past my ass, crack, shirt turned backwards with a toothbrush in my mouth with the reverse part.

00:16:07.000 The reverse part is your head is shaved and you have some hair on top.

00:16:12.000 Just a little piece of hair versus like a part through hair.

00:16:15.000 The part was on a bald head.

00:16:18.000 So, it was just, I would sit at home, instead of studying, I would think about, what can I do to impress a motherfucker at school?

00:16:26.000 Wow.

00:16:27.000 And that became my life.

00:16:28.000 And that is a long road to get to the guy who says, now, you don't ever smile on any podcast.

00:16:35.000 You look so serious.

00:16:36.000 I look at that shit.

00:16:37.000 I'm like, you motherfuckers have no idea who I am, where I've come from to get here today.

00:16:43.000 You could have probably been an entertainer.

00:16:46.000 Because you were doing all that kind of shit?

00:16:48.000 I have some jokes, Joe.

00:16:49.000 I got some jokes, Joe.

00:16:50.000 I bet you do.

00:16:51.000 So what people read in this book can't hurt me.

00:16:54.000 It's a sad story.

00:16:55.000 It's a horrible story.

00:16:56.000 It's a tragic story.

00:16:57.000 It's a story that made me who I am today.

00:16:58.000 But you have to learn to laugh at yourself, too.

00:17:01.000 Once you go through that shit, I now, so there's a lot of parts in there where there's a lot of me against a lot of white people, you know?

00:17:08.000 And I have a routine that I won't do, so people who are hiring me to speak, I'm not going to do the routine.

00:17:14.000 I often do it sometimes.

00:17:15.000 Think about it.

00:17:16.000 I was a 36 black guy to go through SEAL training.

00:17:19.000 Okay.

00:17:20.000 Out of how many people?

00:17:21.000 Out of probably, looking at probably 11, 12, to make it through, probably 13,000 SEALs.

00:17:28.000 I was probably the 36th.

00:17:30.000 I was the 36th black out of making it through since like the 1940s.

00:17:33.000 You know, you're looking at almost 70 years.

00:17:35.000 Wow.

00:17:35.000 Yeah, so do the math on that.

00:17:38.000 So there's not a lot of black guys.

00:17:39.000 And so I take that and I make a nice comedy skid out of that shit.

00:17:43.000 You know, like the first time they tied me up and threw me, it's called drown-proofing.

00:17:47.000 Yeah.

00:17:47.000 So I'm negative boy-in as hell, you know?

00:17:49.000 Me too.

00:17:50.000 I'm related to that big time.

00:17:51.000 Yes, you and the few white boys, man, that are negative boy-in.

00:17:54.000 You sing like a rock.

00:17:54.000 I sing like a rock.

00:17:55.000 And that's hard.

00:17:56.000 So imagine them getting your hands and feet, tying your ass up and throwing you in the fucking water and say, swim.

00:18:01.000 Ah, it was like throwing a cat in the water with fucking a brick on him.

00:18:05.000 So I was just losing my fucking mind.

00:18:07.000 So it's so many things I had to get over, you know, and I found humor.

00:18:11.000 I found humor in my suffering.

00:18:13.000 I was like, motherfucker, what are you doing out here, Goggins?

00:18:15.000 Like, this is crazy.

00:18:17.000 Like, you're literally trying to reinvent the wheel, but I was trying to reinvent my mind.

00:18:23.000 I was trying to reinvent my mind.

00:18:24.000 And I used every single tactic possible to do that.

00:18:28.000 I didn't want to live, you know, live in this world where I was a fake human being anymore.

00:18:33.000 And I was tired of blaming everybody for where I was at.

00:18:35.000 My dad beat me.

00:18:36.000 This happened.

00:18:37.000 I mean, my dad ran prostitutes, man.

00:18:38.000 My dad literally snatched the soul out of my mom.

00:18:41.000 Like, my mom is still battling.

00:18:43.000 Like, after my mom left my dad, and this is what I'll talk about in the book, she got married three times for a total of six months.

00:18:52.000 I'm not even going to talk about the guy she married.

00:18:54.000 So this woman, she's beautiful, she's so smart, all this stuff, man.

00:18:58.000 This guy literally stripped her soul away.

00:19:01.000 And I was a young kid watching it.

00:19:03.000 And I had no story to begin with.

00:19:05.000 And my brother, he has a story that he could write eight books.

00:19:09.000 My dad just came through and just washed us all clean.

00:19:12.000 So to come out...

00:19:15.000 Is he still around?

00:19:15.000 He died about four years ago.

00:19:17.000 Four or five years ago.

00:19:18.000 I'm not for sure.

00:19:18.000 I didn't go to the funeral, but I forgave him.

00:19:20.000 So I saw my dad through an eight-year-old's eyes.

00:19:23.000 So we left when I was eight.

00:19:24.000 And then at 22, I went back to see him through a grown man's eyes.

00:19:28.000 And he was the same person I remembered.

00:19:30.000 But I had to.

00:19:31.000 You can't live with hate.

00:19:32.000 You cannot move forward.

00:19:34.000 As much as that guy tried to ruin all of our lives...

00:19:38.000 That's where I came from.

00:19:39.000 I had to figure out the origin of where I started from.

00:19:43.000 So when I was going back through my life trying to fix who I am, the fucked up person I was, like if your knee hurts, it's usually not your fucking knee that's hurting.

00:19:52.000 It's something else, man.

00:19:53.000 Like it could be a tight quad.

00:19:55.000 It could be the right leg if it's the left leg.

00:19:57.000 You got to find out the origin of where all this shit began.

00:20:00.000 And it was him.

00:20:01.000 So I had to go back to where, you know, my roots and the origin of all this happened.

00:20:06.000 And it's hard to do that.

00:20:07.000 Did you make peace with him?

00:20:08.000 I made big peace with...

00:20:09.000 So we didn't have a peaceful conversation.

00:20:11.000 You know, we left very granimal.

00:20:14.000 He's a vicious man.

00:20:16.000 He was a vicious man.

00:20:18.000 I mean, medieval motherfucker.

00:20:20.000 So, I had become a medieval motherfucker at that time.

00:20:23.000 I was 22 and I was the big boy.

00:20:25.000 So, I was no longer the guy who was afraid.

00:20:28.000 It was not like, hey, I want to kill you type of shit.

00:20:30.000 And we were sitting at Denny's after an all-night skate or whatever the hell.

00:20:35.000 He owned bars and skating rinks and stuff like that.

00:20:38.000 So, we were sitting down and we kind of got into it and I just kind of left.

00:20:42.000 But I had to make peace with it in myself.

00:20:45.000 I could not hold on to that hate because holding on to that hate was half the reason why I kept falling into the same pattern of failing.

00:20:52.000 I had to start dumping off some baggage.

00:20:55.000 I had to start figuring out me through him.

00:20:58.000 And that's all he was there for.

00:20:59.000 He was the origin.

00:21:00.000 I had to figure him out.

00:21:02.000 Figure out why he was so evil to my mom, to me, my brother.

00:21:05.000 And I had to start studying him.

00:21:07.000 A lot of people have situations where someone does something and we all attack that person, like on the media.

00:21:13.000 If someone does something wrong, everybody now is fucking perfect.

00:21:16.000 And we now judge this guy.

00:21:18.000 I don't judge them.

00:21:19.000 I don't judge anybody.

00:21:20.000 What I do is I start studying them.

00:21:23.000 Why did they do that?

00:21:25.000 Not in a judging way.

00:21:26.000 I want to learn from you.

00:21:27.000 And what did you get out of your dad?

00:21:28.000 I got there.

00:21:29.000 He grew up rough.

00:21:31.000 He was very insecure, had a lot of kids.

00:21:34.000 And his insecurities just trickled over onto us.

00:21:40.000 So, yeah, he jacked us up real good, but he never fixed himself.

00:21:44.000 So if you never fix yourself, the next person in line is going to get the wrath.

00:21:49.000 And we were next in line.

00:21:50.000 You know, his first wife, you know, killed herself or whatever happened and, you know, got burned up in a house or some craziness.

00:21:57.000 There's a lot of stuff that goes on there that I didn't put in the book because I don't feel like going to court.

00:22:01.000 But, yeah, it was a lot of stuff.

00:22:05.000 You know, one of the great parts about this book is that you detail exactly what was going through your mind in terms of like your weaknesses and how you had failed.

00:22:16.000 And then it's not just one time.

00:22:21.000 Like, you do the thing in high school where you get your shit together, and then you join the military, and then you wind up getting fat again.

00:22:29.000 And then when you have to lose, what was it, 106 pounds in three months to qualify for SEAL training?

00:22:37.000 For SEAL training, yep.

00:22:38.000 That's insane.

00:22:39.000 Yeah, because what I realized at that time, once again, I failed again.

00:22:42.000 I thought, so what you're talking about is I took this ASVAB test.

00:22:46.000 You know, I didn't know how to read and write pretty much in high school.

00:22:48.000 I was like at fourth grade reading level.

00:22:50.000 I took that test a few times.

00:22:52.000 And I finally passed it.

00:22:53.000 And when I passed it, I actually drove my car to the daggone airport and watched planes take off.

00:23:01.000 Because I was like, I'm going to be on one of those planes one day going to Air Force boot camp.

00:23:05.000 So I never...

00:23:07.000 I always fix the things on the surface.

00:23:09.000 So if I couldn't read and write, I learned to read and write.

00:23:12.000 I would always fix these things on the surface level.

00:23:15.000 And so whenever something hard would raise an ugly head, I didn't have any kind of tools to handle it.

00:23:23.000 I thought I fixed this already, man.

00:23:25.000 But no, I didn't go deep into the dungeon of my soul to say, okay, what is making you a quitter?

00:23:31.000 We're good to go.

00:23:36.000 We're good to go.

00:23:51.000 Repeatedly like a sword you put a sword in a fire repeatedly and repeatedly if you keep on doing that You're gonna get a nice sword and you keep on beating it.

00:23:58.000 You got to beat the shit out of it.

00:24:00.000 And that's what I am I Became that much.

00:24:03.000 I said, okay, we can't quit.

00:24:05.000 We got to figure out why you are this pussy Why are you this pussy man?

00:24:10.000 What is wrong with you?

00:24:11.000 What's going on here?

00:24:12.000 So I kept on putting the sword back in the daggone fire and I just beat it harder and I beat it harder before I knew I started realizing Alright, man.

00:24:22.000 The brain is starting to get hard.

00:24:25.000 The brain is starting to get hard.

00:24:28.000 I'm no longer a theorist.

00:24:30.000 I'm now a practitioner.

00:24:31.000 I put it in hell.

00:24:33.000 I dissect it while it's in hell because you can't dissect anything in a normal environment.

00:24:37.000 You can't dissect anything in 72 degree weather.

00:24:40.000 You must put it in the fucking freezer and freeze the fuck out of it.

00:24:44.000 And then you dissect it.

00:24:45.000 Dissect it when it's miserable.

00:24:47.000 Dissect the brain when all it's thinking about is, I need to get out of here, man.

00:24:51.000 I want to get out of the fucking freezer.

00:24:53.000 Open the door.

00:24:54.000 And you said, nah.

00:24:56.000 Five more seconds, man.

00:24:57.000 Five more seconds in the freezer.

00:24:59.000 And that's when you start to pick that brain apart.

00:25:01.000 And that's when all this stuff did to me.

00:25:03.000 I kept on putting myself back into the freezer or the fire and beating the shit out of myself.

00:25:10.000 Mentally and physically.

00:25:12.000 Before I knew it, this is what happened.

00:25:15.000 Wow.

00:25:16.000 It's an interesting way to self-teach.

00:25:19.000 Most people that you talk to that are disciplined, they have something that they read that inspired them.

00:25:29.000 They have certain people that they look up to.

00:25:33.000 There's certain coaches that taught them.

00:25:35.000 There's certain important moments in their life.

00:25:38.000 But for you, it's a system of failure and reflection and then rebooting.

00:25:44.000 That's it.

00:25:45.000 Repeated failure.

00:25:46.000 And people think a lot of times about me that I'm angry.

00:25:49.000 Oh my God, you sound so angry.

00:25:51.000 You cuss so much.

00:25:52.000 Oh my God, why you cuss so much?

00:25:53.000 Why are you so crazy?

00:25:54.000 If you read my book, I cannot explain my life by saying, hey, it was a merry fucking Christmas, man.

00:26:00.000 No, it wasn't.

00:26:01.000 I want you to go there with me.

00:26:04.000 I'm taking you there with me.

00:26:06.000 I'm a storyteller.

00:26:08.000 I want to take your ass down paradise.

00:26:11.000 So the house I lived in in Buffalo, New York that got my ass beat every day, funny.

00:26:15.000 We lived on Paradise Road.

00:26:18.000 And it was anything but fucking paradise.

00:26:20.000 So I want you to go there with me.

00:26:23.000 You want to learn from me?

00:26:24.000 Let me take your ass home.

00:26:25.000 Let me take you there.

00:26:26.000 So that's the whole thing about it, man.

00:26:28.000 We're scared to dive into...

00:26:32.000 What made us who we are?

00:26:34.000 The beautiful people that we are, we're all jacked up in so many ways.

00:26:38.000 That's the beauty of us.

00:26:40.000 That's the beauty of me.

00:26:41.000 I'm jacked up, but I figured out my own little process on how to get on jacked up.

00:26:46.000 I'm not going to get the same way you're going to get there.

00:26:49.000 You may get there by going point A to point B. I might get a point C to D to E to F, but I'm going to be there the same way you are.

00:26:56.000 Just a little harder.

00:26:57.000 That's how I train my brain.

00:26:59.000 So it's just different.

00:27:00.000 I'm just a different thinker.

00:27:02.000 When you stop and think about all the different times that you did have to reboot and how you found new goals and you found new inspiration and you fired up a new discipline and you became stronger and harder.

00:27:17.000 One of the things that people always look for In life, they look for a point where they can rest.

00:27:23.000 Yes, sir.

00:27:24.000 I'm going to retire.

00:27:26.000 People love that expression, the golden years.

00:27:30.000 They love that expression.

00:27:31.000 Yes.

00:27:32.000 They love the idea of a struggle as long as it ends, and then when it ends, they're going to have a nice, comfortable spot.

00:27:39.000 It must end.

00:27:39.000 The suffering must end.

00:27:41.000 Yeah, you should relax, man.

00:27:43.000 You've done so much.

00:27:44.000 That's right.

00:27:44.000 You've really done so much, but this...

00:27:47.000 The idea of reaching this golden year is a very flawed idea.

00:27:52.000 Because it's an idea that you're going to work hard, but then you're going to reach the finish line.

00:27:57.000 But there's no finish line.

00:27:58.000 It doesn't exist.

00:28:00.000 That's the scary thing about life, my friend.

00:28:02.000 That is a scary thing, right?

00:28:03.000 And that's what fatigues me.

00:28:05.000 People go, man, why don't you ever smile?

00:28:07.000 There's no fucking end, my friend.

00:28:12.000 There's no end!

00:28:13.000 There's no end!

00:28:14.000 I know that you're going to meet Cam Haynes after this.

00:28:17.000 Yes, sir.

00:28:18.000 And listen, please, if you guys run, put a number of that miles that you're going to run and leave it at that.

00:28:24.000 Do not say, let's see who quits, because you will both die.

00:28:28.000 Because that's a hard man.

00:28:29.000 He is a hard man.

00:28:30.000 Cameron Haynes is a hard man.

00:28:32.000 He will run until you die or he dies.

00:28:34.000 He's a hard man, dude.

00:28:35.000 He does those 240s.

00:28:37.000 He's a sick fuck.

00:28:40.000 And see, those are the guys I'm looking for.

00:28:41.000 Yeah, that's a scary...

00:28:42.000 The two of you guys, you need to pick a number.

00:28:44.000 I know.

00:28:45.000 I think you guys are going to run 35 miles.

00:28:47.000 Is that what you're going to do?

00:28:48.000 Good.

00:28:48.000 35 is a good number.

00:28:50.000 Yeah, we've been texting back and forth trying to make it sensible so we don't go off the chain.

00:28:55.000 Because if one of you motherfuckers wakes up and has a good strong espresso and goes, fuck it, let's do 300. It's going to be on.

00:29:01.000 No!

00:29:02.000 It's going to be a long day, man.

00:29:04.000 That's it.

00:29:05.000 You know this new race that they're doing where you run for one hour?

00:29:11.000 You run like as many, and then you have like a bell rings, and then you sit down for a little bit.

00:29:16.000 You know what I mean?

00:29:17.000 There's like a 4.17 mile thing.

00:29:21.000 Yep.

00:29:21.000 It's that sick fuck.

00:29:22.000 What was the guy's name that created that?

00:29:24.000 The guy did the Barclay Marathon.

00:29:26.000 Yes.

00:29:27.000 You're talking about Laz.

00:29:28.000 Yeah.

00:29:28.000 Yeah, this crazy fuck.

00:29:30.000 So he had people running for days and days and days.

00:29:33.000 He invited me out there for this race.

00:29:35.000 I actually got into the Barkley last year, but couldn't do it because of the book.

00:29:38.000 So I'm supposed to do it this year, but now we'll see again how the schedule goes.

00:29:42.000 But yeah, that's a sick man.

00:29:45.000 I've done a couple of his races.

00:29:46.000 He has one called Strolling Jim.

00:29:48.000 I actually won that one in 2016. But he's a sick man.

00:29:52.000 What is a Strolling Jim race?

00:29:54.000 This is probably the easiest race.

00:29:55.000 It's like through the backcountry of Tennessee.

00:29:58.000 It's a 41-mile race on the road.

00:30:00.000 It's one of the first ultra-marathons out there ever.

00:30:03.000 My mom lives in Nashville, so it's like an hour drive.

00:30:05.000 I went up there, and it was like one of my first races back after me being all sick and jacked up for so long.

00:30:11.000 I got lucky, had a good race, and I happened to won it.

00:30:13.000 You know, you were talking about psoas muscle.

00:30:15.000 Yeah.

00:30:15.000 We have this thing now that we got.

00:30:17.000 What is that called?

00:30:18.000 So right.

00:30:19.000 So right.

00:30:20.000 Have you ever used one of those fucking things?

00:30:21.000 I have it also.

00:30:21.000 I saw it in there, that little black contraction.

00:30:24.000 Yeah, that hard plastic thing.

00:30:26.000 That thing's phenomenal.

00:30:27.000 It's evil, man.

00:30:28.000 Yeah.

00:30:29.000 It's good.

00:30:29.000 It's amazing.

00:30:30.000 I started getting tightness in that when I was running a lot.

00:30:33.000 Like, I'd never gotten tightness in that area before.

00:30:35.000 It seems like that's a running thing, right?

00:30:37.000 Yeah.

00:30:37.000 It's a running thing and also a very stressed thing.

00:30:40.000 You know, if you're real stressed out, man, like for me, I could talk about the origin, like where things start.

00:30:45.000 My body was so wrapped tight, I didn't know where to start.

00:30:50.000 Yeah.

00:30:50.000 So I started with the psoas muscle, so that's a real good spot.

00:30:53.000 Well, the problem with these races is the problem with people like you.

00:30:57.000 That's the problem with these races.

00:30:58.000 Like, if you get you and another you, and they're in there together, like, you motherfuckers are gonna kill each other.

00:31:04.000 It's a long day.

00:31:05.000 It's a long day!

00:31:08.000 Because if they're doing a last man standing type deal, right?

00:31:11.000 Yeah.

00:31:12.000 Like the first person to quit.

00:31:13.000 Yeah.

00:31:14.000 It's a real long day, man.

00:31:16.000 I mean, I've been up.

00:31:16.000 I got a couple of helices under my belt, man.

00:31:18.000 I know how to stay up for 130 hours and move.

00:31:20.000 Yeah.

00:31:21.000 And I know how to self-motivate.

00:31:22.000 A lot of motherfuckers don't know how to self-motivate, man.

00:31:25.000 We like to put the headphones on before the big game and listen to the music.

00:31:29.000 Yeah.

00:31:30.000 What the fuck did you do when the headphones come off, bro?

00:31:33.000 It's you in your own mind.

00:31:34.000 Right.

00:31:34.000 I know how to do that.

00:31:36.000 That's the hard part, man.

00:31:37.000 Do you ever listen to music when you run?

00:31:38.000 Never.

00:31:39.000 Never?

00:31:40.000 Told you, Jamie.

00:31:41.000 He has that video.

00:31:43.000 I thought you might have seen it.

00:31:44.000 He talks about running with music.

00:31:46.000 No, what did you say?

00:31:48.000 Find it.

00:31:48.000 Find the video.

00:31:49.000 We'll play it.

00:31:49.000 We might not be able to play it.

00:31:51.000 Is it somebody else's content?

00:31:53.000 I actually...

00:31:54.000 But I did during my last pull-up record.

00:31:58.000 I listened to, you know that song from Rocky 1, round 14, when Rocky gets knocked down the corner.

00:32:06.000 I listened to that.

00:32:07.000 It's two minutes and 13 seconds long.

00:32:08.000 I listened to it on repeat for 17 hours.

00:32:13.000 Merry Christmas, motherfucker.

00:32:17.000 Merry Christmas.

00:32:19.000 17 hours, man.

00:32:20.000 I went to such a dark, dark evil.

00:32:23.000 I have a picture in my hand in the book.

00:32:25.000 I was in a dark.

00:32:27.000 I went to a place, man, that I'm like, I can do anything here.

00:32:31.000 We gotta live here for a while.

00:32:33.000 Because I kept on feeling that record.

00:32:34.000 I go, I don't want to see a pull-up bar again.

00:32:37.000 I mean, like, I did 67,000 pull-ups, man.

00:32:40.000 And this is my third.

00:32:40.000 I was like, I can't.

00:32:41.000 I don't want to see another pull-up.

00:32:42.000 So I was like, I'm doing this come hell or high water, man.

00:32:45.000 So I broke it out.

00:32:46.000 Let me hear this.

00:32:48.000 Let me hear this.

00:32:48.000 Play this.

00:32:51.000 So I never trained with music.

00:32:54.000 There's a reason why I don't do that.

00:32:57.000 The music's not going to always be there.

00:32:59.000 The TV, the distractions, all these external things.

00:33:03.000 I'm in the gym right now with all this loud music.

00:33:05.000 People need it to get fired up.

00:33:08.000 They need it to stay motivated.

00:33:10.000 They need to stay in the fight.

00:33:11.000 They need to just go in the gym to do whatever they're going to do.

00:33:15.000 What do you do when you have no external motivation?

00:33:18.000 It's about the internal.

00:33:21.000 What are you saying to yourself?

00:33:23.000 How are you going to fire yourself up?

00:33:25.000 What's that flame inside of you that keeps you going?

00:33:29.000 Let that keep you going, not this.

00:33:36.000 And when you're doing this, the whole time you're doing this, you're doing some of the hardest chin-ups you can do.

00:33:41.000 You've got a chain around your neck for the folks that are just listening, and you're pulling down on ropes.

00:33:46.000 You're doing chin-ups on, it looks like taped up ropes.

00:33:49.000 Yes, sir.

00:33:50.000 That's what it is.

00:33:50.000 Yeah, those are grip.

00:33:51.000 That's like jujitsu guys do a lot of those.

00:33:53.000 Yeah, so I spoke to the University of Alabama, and they were in there, you know, most of these athletes, man, they got to get hype, so that music is blaring.

00:34:03.000 I'm like, man, once that shit comes off, and you get popped in your fucking mouth, your headphones are on the sidelines, brother!

00:34:11.000 What's going to happen?

00:34:13.000 Yeah.

00:34:14.000 We can save yourself then.

00:34:15.000 So that's how I train my mind, man.

00:34:17.000 I train my mind because I'm not going to get popped in my mouth, man.

00:34:20.000 I'm going to get popped in the back of an alley one day, man, running around, doing what I do, and there's going to be no music.

00:34:27.000 Yeah.

00:34:28.000 You better figure it out.

00:34:30.000 I told you, Jamie, it's cheating.

00:34:35.000 When I first started running, people said, do you run with music?

00:34:37.000 Because I know running is cheating.

00:34:38.000 When you have music on, it's cheating.

00:34:40.000 You're cheating.

00:34:41.000 You listen to music.

00:34:41.000 But now I listen to music all the time.

00:34:43.000 But more than I listen to music, I listen to books.

00:34:46.000 Books on tape, audio books, and yours, like I said, the last two weeks has been my running partner.

00:34:52.000 I appreciate that, man.

00:34:53.000 It's phenomenal, man.

00:34:55.000 It's phenomenal.

00:34:55.000 And you're doing this kind of independently, right?

00:34:58.000 Yeah, so what I did, man, is I pissed off a lot of people.

00:35:00.000 Yeah.

00:35:02.000 I was, um, I, so in 2012, I got an offer for my book for $30,000.

00:35:08.000 I said, you can go fuck yourself.

00:35:11.000 You know what hell I went through, brother?

00:35:13.000 So then everybody was like, you know, we don't see a market for a black guy, ultra runner, fat guy who, uh, couldn't read like, uh, you know, 15% of America is black.

00:35:24.000 You know, we won't see me fucking, you know, people buying your book.

00:35:27.000 They think only black people will buy your book?

00:35:29.000 There's some ignorant people out there, man.

00:35:31.000 Everybody that follows me is white.

00:35:33.000 I don't have a black...

00:35:34.000 I have like three black followers, man.

00:35:37.000 Eve Edwards just left.

00:35:38.000 He follows you.

00:35:39.000 Eve Edwards is a big fan.

00:35:40.000 He's black.

00:35:41.000 Yeah, he's like an unusual species out there, man.

00:35:44.000 And so I'm sitting there walking around going, man, you don't even know who...

00:35:47.000 Everybody I talk to is white.

00:35:49.000 It's the ignorance of the world.

00:35:51.000 And I'm in these meetings hearing this kind of stuff.

00:35:53.000 So now, 2018, I get a $300,000 offer.

00:35:57.000 For a first time author.

00:35:58.000 So I'm sitting back, you know, I'm like, my God, man, you know, I used to make like fucking $60,000 a year.

00:36:04.000 You know, this is the biggest payday yet.

00:36:07.000 And I started thinking, I took that one second, I talk about the one second decision a lot about what I went through in my life, what I've done.

00:36:13.000 And I was like, you know what?

00:36:14.000 I struggled so hard in my life.

00:36:16.000 I went through so much that the biggest trophy I own now is that book.

00:36:21.000 The biggest trophy I own now is not the book itself, it's what's in the book.

00:36:24.000 Mm-hmm.

00:36:26.000 I don't give a fuck if that sells one copy.

00:36:28.000 Honest to God, man.

00:36:30.000 What I did, and that's what I hope people understand, your life and the journey you put yourself through, there's nothing more than that.

00:36:38.000 And that's all I want people to do is realize that you have to struggle.

00:36:43.000 You have to struggle.

00:36:44.000 The bigger the struggle, the bigger the peace.

00:36:46.000 The bigger the suffering, the more peace.

00:36:49.000 I'm not just saying this because you're here, but this book is valuable.

00:36:51.000 This book is very valuable.

00:36:53.000 It's valuable to people like anybody that...

00:36:55.000 You know, I mean, biographies are always valuable when you get to see the mindset of a person who's done things that you haven't done.

00:37:02.000 You get to understand that they're overcoming sort of the same sort of situations in their mind that you are.

00:37:08.000 Same insecurities and pitfalls.

00:37:10.000 Yeah, everybody's going through it, man.

00:37:12.000 Everybody.

00:37:13.000 That's one thing I say.

00:37:14.000 I'm blessed that way that my story...

00:37:18.000 There's no color involved in it.

00:37:20.000 It's a human story about struggle.

00:37:22.000 And I happen to be in so many different situations that so many people can relate to about struggle that I guarantee you, mark my word, you read that book, there will be a section of that book that resonates with you to hardcore.

00:37:36.000 It will make you think.

00:37:37.000 If you're not ready to think about your life and think about Where you can be and think about what you haven't done, the book's not for you.

00:37:46.000 If you're not ready to really self-reflect and hold yourself accountable for where you're at and where you're not, the book is not for you.

00:37:52.000 It's real.

00:37:52.000 I've read a lot of self-help books and I've listened to a lot of self-help books on tape too.

00:37:58.000 There's some of them that I have to shut off.

00:38:00.000 I have to shut off a quarter way and I feel like someone's lying to me.

00:38:03.000 I just like, you're bullshitting me.

00:38:04.000 You're just saying things.

00:38:06.000 This doesn't resonate with me.

00:38:08.000 It's not working.

00:38:09.000 Like, I'll give it a chance.

00:38:10.000 I'll give it a chance.

00:38:11.000 But if I'm, you know, half hour in, two hours in, it's still the same nonsense.

00:38:15.000 I don't feel anything.

00:38:17.000 I'm getting itchy listening to you.

00:38:20.000 You know, I just want to pull the headphones off and I'll just kill it and I'll stop it.

00:38:23.000 This is the total opposite.

00:38:25.000 This one, man, I was running extra miles so I could stay with the headphones on.

00:38:30.000 And the...

00:38:31.000 The thing that I think is going to happen with this book is people are going to get it, they're going to get a hold of it, whether it's an audiobook or their book book, and they're going to recommend it, and then it's going to spread like wildfire.

00:38:41.000 This is a powerful book.

00:38:42.000 This is a real self-help book.

00:38:44.000 This is a real one.

00:38:47.000 It's not like someone orchestrates this whole thing.

00:38:51.000 What I'm going to do is I'm going to become a motivator.

00:38:53.000 I'm going to be a personal influencer.

00:38:55.000 I'm going to be that guy that goes out there and tells people, you can optimize your life.

00:38:59.000 Here's how you do it.

00:39:00.000 And there's so many of those fucking guys out there.

00:39:02.000 Yeah, that's not me, man.

00:39:04.000 I know this one dude.

00:39:04.000 I ran into him recently.

00:39:05.000 I ran into him at this restaurant.

00:39:06.000 He's fat as fuck.

00:39:07.000 He's got this big old belly.

00:39:09.000 And I know he does these motivational things.

00:39:12.000 And I'm looking at him.

00:39:13.000 I'm like, what are you talking about, man?

00:39:15.000 You're weak.

00:39:16.000 Look at your body.

00:39:18.000 Look at your own temple.

00:39:19.000 Look at your meat vehicle.

00:39:20.000 You're carrying around this fucking donut around your waist.

00:39:24.000 He was eating shitty food and he looked soft.

00:39:28.000 I'm like, wake up, bitch.

00:39:29.000 So many people are doing that now, man.

00:39:31.000 So many people are talking this noise.

00:39:33.000 Exactly.

00:39:34.000 And I see them.

00:39:34.000 I know them.

00:39:36.000 I'm not going to say names, but I know them.

00:39:38.000 I'm like, man, dude, you know why my life is miserable right now?

00:39:41.000 Because I can't go on your show right now, your podcast, if I didn't get after it this morning.

00:39:47.000 So I cannot talk to people Unless you're authentic.

00:39:50.000 Unless I'm authentic.

00:39:51.000 Because I used to be the most unauthentic motherfucker on the planet.

00:39:54.000 Now, I have this voice in my head saying, oh no, I'll call you up.

00:39:58.000 If I lie to you about something, even a white lie.

00:40:00.000 Hey, yo, Joe, guess what, dude?

00:40:03.000 I fucking lied to you, man.

00:40:04.000 Like, that wasn't real.

00:40:05.000 Like, it would bother me that badly now.

00:40:07.000 You know, so, and the other thing, I didn't, what's funny about all this book stuff, man, I didn't set out to write a book.

00:40:13.000 Like, literally, man, when I was 24 years old on a couch, fat, spraying for cockroaches, eating donuts and drinking milkshakes, I did not plan on doing this.

00:40:21.000 All I wanted to do was change the fucking reflection in that daggone mirror.

00:40:25.000 This is all...

00:40:26.000 It's a byproduct of that.

00:40:29.000 And that's the funny thing about it.

00:40:30.000 Everybody's like, oh my god, David Goggins, you know what the hell you used to do?

00:40:33.000 I'm like...

00:40:34.000 What the fuck?

00:40:35.000 That's why it works, though.

00:40:37.000 Unbelievable.

00:40:38.000 It works because you really did do it.

00:40:40.000 You really did do all those things, and you show how you did it, and you're not using any bullshit theatrical jargon.

00:40:47.000 No.

00:40:48.000 You're not saying a bunch of buzzwords.

00:40:51.000 Can you live the life of an actualized person?

00:40:54.000 I can show you how.

00:40:55.000 And you're looking at this guy talking.

00:40:56.000 He's got a neck like a pencil, and his body's just frail.

00:41:01.000 Like, you don't even understand adversity.

00:41:02.000 You don't understand overcoming.

00:41:04.000 This is not the secret, you know?

00:41:06.000 This isn't about the law of fucking attraction.

00:41:08.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:41:09.000 No, this ain't no attraction here, brother.

00:41:12.000 This ain't no attraction here, man.

00:41:14.000 This book is straight up.

00:41:15.000 People love that.

00:41:15.000 They love nonsense.

00:41:17.000 This is no nonsense, man.

00:41:19.000 No nonsense.

00:41:19.000 This is a real self-help book, man.

00:41:21.000 This is the real deal.

00:41:22.000 That's how you self-help.

00:41:23.000 You self-help by people who have done it, and you learn what they did, and you realize there's no shortcuts.

00:41:28.000 And then you learn to embrace that no-shortcut mentality and enjoy the suffering and the grind of it.

00:41:35.000 And what we talked about earlier, there's no fucking finish line.

00:41:38.000 It doesn't exist.

00:41:39.000 You know what's funny about that?

00:41:40.000 Is I have people now, so when I was in the worst part of my life, those people want to bring you back in.

00:41:47.000 Those people, like, you can see who you hang out with, like, when you're in your worst.

00:41:51.000 And when you're trying to get better, what makes it hard to get better is that you are hanging around people who, like, let's say you're an alcoholic.

00:41:58.000 You're hanging around people who drink.

00:42:00.000 And I say you want to stop drinking.

00:42:02.000 Those people want to bring you back in.

00:42:04.000 Like, I used to be this guy, this guy who wasn't worth anything.

00:42:08.000 Now those people who are still there, 16, 17, 18, 30 years ago, they're trying to get you back there.

00:42:14.000 So the hardest part, you got to see who you're hanging out with, man.

00:42:17.000 You got to hang out with the people who you want to be like the most.

00:42:20.000 Yeah, people will definitely drag you down.

00:42:21.000 They'll drag you down.

00:42:22.000 And especially if you're around someone who makes a lot of excuses and they're always failing...

00:42:28.000 They're the opposite of inspiration.

00:42:30.000 They're like a vacuum.

00:42:31.000 100%.

00:42:31.000 They're sucking it out of you.

00:42:32.000 Why are you doing that today, man?

00:42:34.000 Why are you getting up again so early?

00:42:36.000 Why are you doing this?

00:42:38.000 The people you're hanging around with will suck the fucking life out of you.

00:42:41.000 Sometimes it's got to be long, man.

00:42:43.000 Get your shit in.

00:42:44.000 And then there's also people that are going to be around that are always failing and always fucking up and then always coming to you to try to get you to help them.

00:42:51.000 Exactly.

00:42:51.000 They become a giant burden.

00:42:53.000 Yes.

00:42:53.000 They can never look in the mirror and get their own shit together.

00:42:56.000 They're always looking for external help.

00:42:58.000 That's right.

00:42:58.000 Always looking for external help.

00:43:00.000 People don't want to go in deep, man.

00:43:01.000 All the answers are inside of you.

00:43:03.000 It's a very primitive way.

00:43:05.000 How this book is written is primitive.

00:43:08.000 It's very barbarian.

00:43:10.000 It's how we all think.

00:43:11.000 It's how man once walked the earth.

00:43:14.000 And then we get all soft and all these computers and shit and we start going away from...

00:43:18.000 The most powerful thing we have is our fucking brain.

00:43:21.000 It's our mind.

00:43:22.000 And we don't use it anymore.

00:43:24.000 So, you know, it's like everything has to be so quick.

00:43:27.000 Yeah, you use your mind when it comes to certain things, right?

00:43:30.000 But what you're saying is you don't use your mind when it comes to enduring.

00:43:34.000 Exactly.

00:43:35.000 That is it.

00:43:36.000 You can't Google that shit.

00:43:37.000 Right.

00:43:38.000 Hey, let me Google how to suffer.

00:43:41.000 No.

00:43:42.000 That ain't gonna be in there, bro.

00:43:43.000 There's no answer.

00:43:44.000 That ain't gonna be in there.

00:43:45.000 That ain't gonna be in there.

00:43:47.000 There's no answer.

00:43:48.000 It's not in there.

00:43:49.000 It doesn't exist.

00:43:51.000 Find some water.

00:43:51.000 Real cold.

00:43:52.000 And what's interesting is that that is a mind thing.

00:43:55.000 And people think of mind things.

00:43:57.000 They think of calculating, mathematics.

00:43:59.000 They think of literature.

00:44:01.000 No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:44:02.000 There's many aspects to the mind.

00:44:03.000 That's it.

00:44:04.000 Don't overthink it.

00:44:05.000 Yeah.

00:44:05.000 Don't overthink it.

00:44:06.000 Put your shoes on.

00:44:07.000 Lace them up.

00:44:09.000 That's all you got to do, my friend.

00:44:12.000 Don't overthink the process.

00:44:14.000 Yeah, but see, because you've overcome and because you've accomplished so much now, that even when you talk about that moment of embracing that suck, you see there's a big-ass smile on your face.

00:44:26.000 You've got a total different approach to it than the average person.

00:44:30.000 The average person, you talk to them about doing chin-ups for 24 hours or anything fucking crazy.

00:44:35.000 They don't look at it like, ugh.

00:44:37.000 There's like a negative, a doom feeling.

00:44:39.000 That's the thing about it, man.

00:44:40.000 I talk about my book, Open-Mindedness.

00:44:42.000 What separates me from a lot of people is they go into a daunting task, and the task is overwhelming.

00:44:49.000 Like, when I heard the pull-up record, it was 4,020 pull-ups, and I was talking about breaking this record.

00:44:54.000 People are like, oh my god!

00:44:57.000 I went right to a pen and paper.

00:44:58.000 They go, what are you doing?

00:44:59.000 I'm doing the math, man.

00:45:01.000 What are you talking about?

00:45:02.000 I'm open-minded to the fact that, okay, if I do five pull-ups in a minute for so many hours, I can get so many pull-ups in.

00:45:07.000 How much time do I have to rest?

00:45:08.000 I was breaking the math down.

00:45:10.000 You have to be open-minded to the possibilities that I can do this.

00:45:13.000 Once you shut your mind down to the possibility that it can be achieved, there's no way it can happen.

00:45:17.000 So that's why my eyes and my body light up about things because I know that if you're in a fight, you have to attack.

00:45:24.000 You have to keep Attacking.

00:45:27.000 The enemy has to know he is not going to give up.

00:45:31.000 You must break the soul of whatever the fuck is in front of you.

00:45:34.000 That's what I realized.

00:45:35.000 I was never breaking the soul of anything in front of me.

00:45:37.000 So that's why I came up with the thing called taking souls in my book.

00:45:40.000 I started to devise ways to break a soul of a human being, of an object, of whatever's in front of me.

00:45:48.000 If you keep on attacking something, nothing wants to stand in front of anything that is relentless.

00:45:54.000 Nothing.

00:45:56.000 The Taken Soul part of the book is really interesting because you talked about the mind shift that you had when you were in Buds.

00:46:04.000 Yes, sir.

00:46:05.000 That's an intense part of the book.

00:46:09.000 That's when a lot of stuff started clicking, man.

00:46:11.000 I start watching those instructors on the side.

00:46:14.000 There's three shifts.

00:46:16.000 There's eight instructors, three shifts.

00:46:18.000 The guys going through Hell Week, they're up all day and all night for 130 hours.

00:46:23.000 This is the promised land of mental hardening for me.

00:46:26.000 I love this place.

00:46:28.000 And you have the instructors who, you know, they've been there, done that.

00:46:31.000 Now they're instructing you.

00:46:33.000 So they do their eight-hour shift.

00:46:34.000 They have their parkas on.

00:46:35.000 It's usually cold coffee, drinking their coffee.

00:46:38.000 And they're beating the crap out of us.

00:46:39.000 And when I started realizing, I started playing mind games.

00:46:42.000 And I was like, you know what?

00:46:43.000 I bet these fuckers are looking at us, judging themselves about when they were going through Hell Week.

00:46:50.000 Let me see, I'm looking at Goggins right now.

00:46:52.000 I was better than him.

00:46:53.000 I was better than that guy.

00:46:54.000 I was better than that fucker over there.

00:46:55.000 And I was like...

00:46:57.000 Okay.

00:46:58.000 Okay.

00:46:59.000 You gotta judge me, right?

00:47:02.000 This is what I'm going to do to you.

00:47:03.000 So what I started doing was I got my boat crew, boat crew 2. It's in the book.

00:47:06.000 It's a great, great story.

00:47:08.000 I said, come here, guys.

00:47:09.000 You can't break boat crew 2. You can't break boat crew 2. So it's Wednesday and everybody's broken.

00:47:15.000 Everybody's beat up, man.

00:47:16.000 And like this, you start moving like a robot.

00:47:19.000 Everybody's like just kind of just trying to get through hell week now and your energy's zapped.

00:47:22.000 And they know Wednesday's like that over the hump.

00:47:24.000 I love that you talked about that in the book, too, that they put it in your head that Wednesday you're going to be tired.

00:47:28.000 Oh, yeah.

00:47:28.000 And that's another thing.

00:47:29.000 They tell you how you're supposed to feel.

00:47:32.000 So, you are feeling that way.

00:47:34.000 I was like, uh-uh.

00:47:35.000 Don't let these motherfuckers tell you how you're supposed to feel.

00:47:37.000 No, it's day one, motherfucker.

00:47:40.000 This is hour one.

00:47:41.000 So, I was getting my boat crew all jacked up.

00:47:43.000 I said, we're going to take these motherfuckers' souls.

00:47:45.000 So, when they had us doing this simple thing that guys were struggling with, boat crew two was just launched in the fucking boat and they're yelling, yeah, you can't fucking hurt us!

00:47:54.000 You can't hurt boat crew two!

00:47:56.000 And I looked on the instructor's faces and it looked like someone had just fucked with their soul.

00:48:02.000 And I looked at my guys in my book and I said, hey, guess what?

00:48:05.000 Those motherfuckers aren't fucking tonight.

00:48:07.000 We own space in their fucking head.

00:48:10.000 We own space.

00:48:11.000 They're going to think about us tonight.

00:48:13.000 They're going to think about how the fuck.

00:48:14.000 You're killing boners.

00:48:14.000 That's right.

00:48:15.000 How on Wednesday are these guys doing this?

00:48:19.000 And screaming out, you can't hurt both of you too.

00:48:21.000 We were bringing the fight.

00:48:23.000 We were attacking.

00:48:24.000 So when you keep on doing that, guess what people start doing?

00:48:27.000 I ain't fucking with these guys no more.

00:48:29.000 So Boku 2 got a lot more sleep.

00:48:31.000 Boku 2 just became that Boku like, hey, because we just kept charging and we started fueling off of that.

00:48:37.000 We started fueling off the fact that, man, it takes one second of energy to steal everybody's and then you have all the energy you need.

00:48:45.000 That's all you need.

00:48:46.000 You need to look at someone's eyes.

00:48:47.000 You know how it is when you fight somebody and you broke that motherfucker.

00:48:50.000 He's like, oh God, man, I don't want to go back to the next round.

00:48:53.000 And you feel like, my God, I can fight all day.

00:48:55.000 I can fight all day long.

00:48:57.000 That's what taking souls is.

00:48:59.000 But you have to have the will, the heart, the courage to go that distance when you're exactly jacked up.

00:49:07.000 You have nothing left to give.

00:49:09.000 And give more.

00:49:11.000 That is an interesting thing about the mind, is that you can find inspiration, and when you find inspiration, when you get charged up, all of a sudden you have energy.

00:49:19.000 That's right.

00:49:19.000 It's weird.

00:49:21.000 I talk about it in the book also.

00:49:22.000 It's about, I learned how to control my adrenals.

00:49:27.000 You know how you get that fight-or-flight response when you get to move real quick?

00:49:32.000 Yeah.

00:49:32.000 And, you know, I started learning the mind a lot, how to get myself jacked.

00:49:37.000 Extremely fast like in a horrible environment when everybody's miserable I learned how to really find strength in the misery when everybody's suffering everybody's all poopy pants and their mentalities down and Everything I started just like my god.

00:49:52.000 This is where I shine and I started using all that misery For tons and tons of tons of drive and motivation to to then lead people further Because you can get a lot of power through misery.

00:50:06.000 And once people see that, my God, Goggins is fucking going.

00:50:09.000 Then everybody says, Roger that.

00:50:12.000 Let me get my shit and go too.

00:50:14.000 So I started realizing that if you can just find strength just a little bit longer, you will have a crew of people following you along the way.

00:50:22.000 And that is another thing that no one can ever teach you.

00:50:26.000 You're going to have to learn that on your own.

00:50:28.000 You're going to have to figure out how to pull that energy out of your mind on your own.

00:50:34.000 There's no book you can read that all of a sudden I have it.

00:50:37.000 I've got the technique now.

00:50:38.000 I know how to do it.

00:50:39.000 It's a grind that you have to start and finish on your own.

00:50:44.000 You have to take great pleasure in the fact that no one wants to be where the fuck you're at right now.

00:50:49.000 Great pleasure in that.

00:50:51.000 It has to bring a passion out of you.

00:50:53.000 It has to bring something very, very weird out of you, man.

00:50:57.000 People don't really understand what that is.

00:50:59.000 When you're in the worst environment possible, the worst situation possible, and everybody's looking like, God, man, I hope this ends.

00:51:05.000 And you see that.

00:51:07.000 Time slows down and you see that.

00:51:08.000 You're feeling that.

00:51:10.000 Everybody has that look on their face like, God, this has got to go.

00:51:13.000 I don't want to be here anymore.

00:51:14.000 Have you ever gotten rhabdo?

00:51:16.000 Rhabdo Milosis?

00:51:16.000 Oh, yes, sir.

00:51:17.000 Did you get it?

00:51:18.000 Yes, sir.

00:51:19.000 When did you get it?

00:51:20.000 I got it on my second pull-up record attempt.

00:51:22.000 And I talk about it a little bit in the book there.

00:51:25.000 I have sickle cell trait.

00:51:27.000 And a young kid just died from rhabdo.

00:51:30.000 Because sickle cell is not a good thing, obviously.

00:51:34.000 And rhabdo is a bad thing for having sickle cell.

00:51:36.000 You have sickle cell trait, but you don't have the disease.

00:51:39.000 I don't have the disease.

00:51:39.000 A buddy of mine died from it when I was a kid.

00:51:42.000 Really?

00:51:42.000 Yeah.

00:51:43.000 A guy I used to fight with.

00:51:44.000 I used to train with.

00:51:45.000 Yeah, he was always sick.

00:51:47.000 He'd have it.

00:51:48.000 He'd get sick.

00:51:48.000 It's horrible.

00:51:49.000 He'd be gone.

00:51:50.000 He'd be out of the gym for months and he'd come back and he'd just be trying to get his body back in shape again.

00:51:55.000 He'd get it again.

00:51:56.000 Then he wound up dying.

00:51:57.000 He's a talented guy too.

00:51:59.000 When you got it, what did you have to do?

00:52:02.000 So they put me in the hospital for a while.

00:52:04.000 That's when my hand got real messed up.

00:52:06.000 And my fluids were extremely low.

00:52:08.000 And I had done like, I think I did 3,000 pull-ups.

00:52:12.000 And they're like, man, your body is wrecked up.

00:52:15.000 Were you just not drinking water while you were doing it?

00:52:16.000 I was drinking water, but not enough.

00:52:18.000 So I was sipping this carbohydrate drink.

00:52:21.000 Mm-hmm.

00:52:21.000 And my calories are extremely low.

00:52:25.000 I didn't know how much I was going to burn through.

00:52:26.000 And you burn through an awful lot of calories, man, doing that many pull-ups for that many hours.

00:52:30.000 And with the repetition, with using the single points of just my hands and my biceps and my back, my body was swollen like the Pillsbury Doughboy.

00:52:39.000 I mean, it looked horrible.

00:52:41.000 And so they kept me in there for a while.

00:52:44.000 How long?

00:52:45.000 Probably about eight hours.

00:52:47.000 I was in about eight hours on IVs and stuff like that.

00:52:50.000 So it was basically a rehydration issue.

00:52:52.000 Tons of fluid.

00:52:52.000 That's a big part of it.

00:52:54.000 Tons of fluid.

00:52:55.000 And they sent me home, though.

00:52:57.000 So I went home that night.

00:52:59.000 And how long did you wait before you jumped back at it?

00:53:02.000 I think I was back on the pull-up bar about a week and a half later.

00:53:07.000 And then I broke the record six weeks later.

00:53:09.000 Wow.

00:53:10.000 I broke the record.

00:53:11.000 Jesus Christ.

00:53:13.000 So when you did get back on the pull-up bar, How fucked up was your body?

00:53:19.000 It was bad.

00:53:20.000 But what I do is like what I've done through everything, which isn't real smart.

00:53:24.000 I mean, it works for me.

00:53:26.000 So I'm not saying do this.

00:53:27.000 I've trained through a lot of my injuries.

00:53:30.000 And I started developing.

00:53:31.000 I started doing that in BUDS. In SEAL training.

00:53:33.000 Because in SEAL training, you got to start from day one.

00:53:36.000 Or they just kick you out.

00:53:37.000 So I started from day one enough.

00:53:39.000 So my third time going through, I was really jacked up.

00:53:41.000 Well, you had pneumonia.

00:53:42.000 Yeah.

00:53:43.000 Yeah, I had pneumonia and I had really bad stretch fractures.

00:53:46.000 So my stretch fractures, so I was literally, I would put a sock on and then duct tape my foot all the way up to the top of my, or to the mid of my ankle, or to the mid of my calf.

00:53:55.000 And because my stretch fractures were so bad, so like the pivot point between my ankle and my shin, I just cast that all the way up.

00:54:03.000 And so I went through for several months, for a few months, with stretch fractures.

00:54:07.000 And what's crazy about that is they healed.

00:54:10.000 By the time I got to third phase, my stress fractures were healed.

00:54:13.000 Wow.

00:54:14.000 And I don't even know how, rhyme or reason behind it.

00:54:17.000 I ran on them.

00:54:17.000 A few months later, they were healed.

00:54:19.000 Wow.

00:54:20.000 So, I don't know what that means.

00:54:21.000 So you just pushed through the agony, and eventually your body just said, this crazy fuck is not going to stop.

00:54:27.000 It's a true statement.

00:54:28.000 Yeah.

00:54:28.000 It's weird.

00:54:29.000 A lot of my injuries, I've just pushed through, and I duct tape it up.

00:54:33.000 Have you ever had surgery on any of them?

00:54:36.000 No, just a couple of heart surgeries, but none of my actual physical body.

00:54:40.000 And what was your heart surgery for again?

00:54:41.000 You talked about this before, right?

00:54:42.000 Yeah, ASD. I had a hole in my heart.

00:54:44.000 Yeah, which is even more ridiculous.

00:54:47.000 Yeah, we talked about that too, man.

00:54:49.000 They took me off and studied me for a while.

00:54:52.000 So they realized that, my God, I shouldn't even be in the military.

00:54:56.000 I wasn't even qualified to be in the military with a hole in my heart.

00:54:59.000 Let alone be in special operations where you're jumping on planes and stuff like that.

00:55:02.000 So I was lucky.

00:55:03.000 How'd they seal that up?

00:55:04.000 So they went in with a helix patch.

00:55:08.000 And, you know, through my femoral artery, femoral artery, and they went through, put a patch, and they realized, you know, I missed like three or four years of a military career because of this heart surgery.

00:55:18.000 Wow.

00:55:18.000 Yeah, so I was off of jump status, dive status.

00:55:21.000 I was just, so that's why I talk about recruiting so much.

00:55:24.000 I stayed in recruiting for like three or four years.

00:55:28.000 And, you know, I became like a Navy SEAL recruiter when I was, you know, doing this for a while.

00:55:33.000 So I got extended there because of the heart surgery.

00:55:35.000 And other than that, you never had to have any other surgeries?

00:55:39.000 No meniscus, no nothing like that?

00:55:41.000 No.

00:55:41.000 That's crazy.

00:55:42.000 No, and I've had some jacked up injuries.

00:55:45.000 But see how I grew up?

00:55:47.000 You know, like I talk about in the book, my dad didn't believe in taking anybody to the hospital.

00:55:51.000 Like, that's just how it was, man.

00:55:53.000 It was barbarian stuff, man.

00:55:55.000 But, you know, you learn to deal with it and you live it.

00:55:59.000 You're fine.

00:55:59.000 You get hard.

00:56:00.000 You get MRIs?

00:56:01.000 Oh, yeah.

00:56:01.000 Get everything checked out?

00:56:02.000 Matter of fact, man, I was terrified of the MRI machine for a long time.

00:56:05.000 I was claustrophobic.

00:56:07.000 I was like, man, there's a lot behind that, man.

00:56:12.000 But yeah, I've been checked out a lot.

00:56:14.000 So like I said, like six years ago, I started stretching out like I thought I was dying.

00:56:18.000 I couldn't even get out of bed.

00:56:20.000 So all that stretching out was from pretty much all these injuries I had that I never really fixed.

00:56:26.000 And my body got knotted up and more knotted up and more knotted up.

00:56:29.000 I mean, it's going to heal.

00:56:31.000 One way or another, it's gonna heal.

00:56:32.000 And when it heals, it's not gonna heal right.

00:56:34.000 It's gonna heal all jacked up and crooked.

00:56:36.000 So I'm a crooked, jacked up dude, man, but I can still get it done.

00:56:41.000 It's amazing that you haven't had knee surgeries or anything like that, considering all the running you've done.

00:56:46.000 My left knee right now is no joke.

00:56:49.000 So like I say, origin of pain.

00:56:51.000 My right foot is messed up because of my left knee.

00:56:54.000 So right now, I'm taking care of my left knee.

00:56:57.000 It's getting a lot better now.

00:56:58.000 But don't worry, Cameron Haynes.

00:57:00.000 I will still be fucking out there running with your ass.

00:57:02.000 I'm not going to get out of it, buddy.

00:57:03.000 So if you're listening, motherfucker, I will see you this weekend.

00:57:07.000 Merry Christmas.

00:57:08.000 Alright?

00:57:09.000 Just so you know, brother.

00:57:10.000 Merry Christmas.

00:57:11.000 I'll see you soon.

00:57:12.000 You don't know what's wrong with the knee?

00:57:14.000 You have no idea?

00:57:15.000 It's from stretching.

00:57:16.000 So basically...

00:57:17.000 Stretching?

00:57:18.000 Yeah.

00:57:18.000 So my whole...

00:57:19.000 Because my body was in such bad alignment from just what I did to it that now I'm in this huge stretch routine and my body's getting back into alignment.

00:57:30.000 So your muscles, like I was a power lifter, man.

00:57:33.000 Like I grew these huge muscles and I'm this small guy and I just, and from the stress of my body going through three hell weeks and all of a sudden, my body just got, became one knot.

00:57:41.000 So as things start to open up, joints start to hurt, things start to hurt.

00:57:46.000 And I'm like, God, so it's been this big, long process.

00:57:49.000 So I'm faster and better shaped than ever.

00:57:51.000 My organs work better.

00:57:52.000 I'm healthier than ever.

00:57:54.000 But I have these little tweaks here, these little tweaks there from the fact that I am now, my body was locked in position from these muscles being so tight.

00:58:03.000 What do you weigh now?

00:58:04.000 About 182, 183. And you were at like 300 plus pounds when you got your fattest, right?

00:58:08.000 My fattest, when I weighed in for the military, I don't know what my fattest was, but when I weighed in, On that scale, when Steven Sousio hit that scale on me, man, it was 297. And he's like, brother, you got to lose 106 pounds.

00:58:21.000 I was like, fuck this.

00:58:22.000 I can't.

00:58:22.000 I was like, what are you talking about?

00:58:25.000 I was like, how is that possible?

00:58:27.000 So anyway, it just, you know.

00:58:28.000 And not a lot of time.

00:58:29.000 That's the crazy thing.

00:58:30.000 They didn't give you three months to lose that.

00:58:32.000 33 pounds a month is a lot of fucking weight, plus a few pounds.

00:58:36.000 Almost impossible.

00:58:37.000 And that's what I thought.

00:58:38.000 That's what I thought.

00:58:39.000 But see, you see the person now.

00:58:41.000 I was 175 pounds in high school.

00:58:43.000 So I was a skinny guy in high school.

00:58:45.000 So I made myself big.

00:58:47.000 I'm a small-boned person.

00:58:49.000 So it wasn't...

00:58:51.000 Trust me, it was hard to...

00:58:53.000 It was the hardest thing I've ever done in my life.

00:58:56.000 What did people think around you when they saw you three months later, you're 100 pounds lighter?

00:59:00.000 My mom couldn't believe it.

00:59:02.000 So I was living in Indianapolis, Indiana at the time.

00:59:04.000 And so I was trying to study for this ASVAB test again that I got to take it again going to the Navy.

00:59:10.000 And I'm out here trying to lose weight and I'm working for this company spraying for cockroaches and all that sort of crap.

00:59:15.000 And I would lay in her pond in fucking November in Indiana.

00:59:20.000 Just lay in her pond.

00:59:21.000 I was like, I'm going to buzz.

00:59:23.000 I gotta get hard.

00:59:23.000 You know?

00:59:24.000 So I was lay in the pond, get out of the pond, and go for a run.

00:59:27.000 Just all wet, cold, like the daggone shirt would just freeze up from ice and shit.

00:59:32.000 And I'd just be out there running and say, what is wrong with you, man?

00:59:34.000 Like, you were that kid who just didn't want to, like, what's wrong with you?

00:59:38.000 So she started seeing the transformation.

00:59:39.000 Like, you know, this guy is obsessed with trying to become somebody.

00:59:43.000 And next thing she knew, man, my God, you actually lost that much weight that fast.

00:59:48.000 I love the fact that you did it, but what hurts me is when I hear stories about people that get stomach stapling and surgery and all that shit that they do.

00:59:57.000 You just need to just lose the weight.

01:00:00.000 Right.

01:00:00.000 And if you just did it, if you just did it the right way, you would have earned it, and if you earn it, you'll keep it.

01:00:05.000 That's the thing about it, man.

01:00:07.000 We like to take these very quick fixes in life.

01:00:10.000 We want the six-minute abs approach to life.

01:00:13.000 Nah, man.

01:00:14.000 There's no permanent in that.

01:00:16.000 There's no permanent in that, man.

01:00:18.000 There's no scarring.

01:00:20.000 There must be scarring.

01:00:21.000 Well, people are terrified of this thing that you're saying, that there's no end, that there's no finish line, that every day is a new thing, that you have to earn it still.

01:00:28.000 After all the shit you've done, every day you get up and you have to earn it.

01:00:31.000 Yes.

01:00:32.000 You know what's funny about that?

01:00:34.000 I want you to be scared of it.

01:00:36.000 Yeah.

01:00:37.000 Because it gives you fuel.

01:00:39.000 It's great motivation.

01:00:40.000 And see, if you look at it that way, the reason why I speak the way I speak, because I believe in what I'm saying, if I ever shut it down, that's the end of me.

01:00:53.000 And whatever my 100% will be, I don't know what's going to happen to me.

01:00:56.000 Tomorrow, what if you can't run?

01:00:58.000 I will figure what the fuck I can do and do that.

01:01:02.000 That would be my new 100%.

01:01:03.000 You must continue to find your new 100%.

01:01:06.000 Whatever life throws at you, you must find what you can do now.

01:01:11.000 I may become the best, you know, scientist of all time.

01:01:14.000 Who knows?

01:01:15.000 Watch out.

01:01:15.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:01:16.000 Watch out.

01:01:18.000 Who knows?

01:01:19.000 Well, that is an approach, like this approach, this mental approach.

01:01:23.000 You can use that for anything once you get past the quitting mechanism of your mind.

01:01:29.000 That's right.

01:01:29.000 Once you get past that thing, that this is applicable.

01:01:32.000 You can take these lessons that you learn from these grueling runs.

01:01:36.000 Yes.

01:01:38.000 Losing 106 pounds in three months from all these different things of struggle.

01:01:41.000 You can take these lessons of struggle and you can apply them to anything.

01:01:46.000 Yes.

01:01:46.000 I talk about it in my book here about that race I did that made SEAL training look like a child's play in ranger school.

01:01:53.000 That first 100-miler I did where I shit on myself and all kinds of stuff.

01:01:57.000 That 19 hours it took me with no training I sum it up like this.

01:02:02.000 You're talking about struggle, how you can put so much of life into struggle.

01:02:06.000 In that 19 hours, I lived five years.

01:02:11.000 Five years of struggle, of happiness, of depression, success, failure.

01:02:16.000 In 19 hours, that's what's great about some of these things I do.

01:02:19.000 You get a wide range of life in just 19 hours.

01:02:24.000 When you get to mile 50 and your mind's saying, we've got to get out of here, man.

01:02:28.000 And you get to mile 60, okay, we're feeling good.

01:02:30.000 You have all these highs and lows that you have to manage within this suck-fest of 19 hours.

01:02:36.000 And that's what I get from a lot of these different things.

01:02:38.000 Human growth.

01:02:39.000 Growth of the mind.

01:02:40.000 Without friction, there is no growth.

01:02:42.000 Without friction, there's no growth.

01:02:45.000 There's no growth and there's no satisfaction.

01:02:49.000 People want to sit around and rest, but you don't really appreciate rest unless you earned it.

01:02:54.000 That's it.

01:02:55.000 And people think I'm the craziest person on the planet.

01:02:58.000 You are so far fucking removed from that statement.

01:03:02.000 It's not even funny.

01:03:03.000 I was 290 pounds twice in my life.

01:03:07.000 I do not like to do the things I do, but there's humongous satisfaction from doing it.

01:03:13.000 There's humongous satisfaction from lacing your shoes up saying, I don't really want to go for a run today.

01:03:18.000 And then running.

01:03:19.000 And then getting back and saying, wow.

01:03:21.000 I did it.

01:03:22.000 I did it.

01:03:23.000 And that's what it's about.

01:03:24.000 It's about these small steps to doing things you don't want to do.

01:03:26.000 You know Jocko?

01:03:27.000 Jocko Williams?

01:03:28.000 I know him, yeah.

01:03:29.000 Jocko's...

01:03:30.000 Don't know him great, but I know him.

01:03:32.000 I know him pretty well.

01:03:33.000 He's awesome.

01:03:34.000 But every morning, you look at that motherfucker's Instagram, he's got a picture of his watch at 4.30.

01:03:39.000 He gets up at 4.30 every morning and he earns a sunrise.

01:03:43.000 That's good stuff, man.

01:03:44.000 He works out like a motherfucker and then earns a sunrise.

01:03:46.000 That's good stuff.

01:03:47.000 But it's that thing.

01:03:48.000 There's no end.

01:03:49.000 It doesn't end.

01:03:50.000 And it's scary.

01:03:52.000 That is scary for people.

01:03:53.000 Everybody wants that holding hands while the sun sets in retirement and you're walking off into the sunset.

01:03:59.000 The biggest question I get is, so when do you rest?

01:04:03.000 When do you recover?

01:04:05.000 And I don't want to scare people, but the truth answer is, I don't take any days off.

01:04:14.000 No days?

01:04:15.000 No days.

01:04:16.000 Seven days a week?

01:04:17.000 Seven days a week.

01:04:18.000 What is a normal day?

01:04:20.000 Normal day for me...

01:04:21.000 A normal day...

01:04:22.000 So let's say a light day.

01:04:24.000 Light day.

01:04:24.000 Light day is at least a seven mile run.

01:04:28.000 I will...

01:04:30.000 Every other day, so about four days a week, calisthenics plus gym workout.

01:04:35.000 So I don't do any gym workout without hitting pull-ups, push-ups.

01:04:39.000 I call it nickels and dimes.

01:04:40.000 So like five pull-ups, 10 push-ups, or I'll go, you know, quarters and whatever.

01:04:46.000 It's like 25 pull-ups and like 50 push-ups.

01:04:48.000 So I have all these different things I mess up.

01:04:50.000 So I will do weights with calisthenics in every single night I stretch.

01:04:57.000 For at least every night, I stretch for at least two hours.

01:04:59.000 Two hours?

01:05:00.000 Every night.

01:05:03.000 Every night.

01:05:04.000 So you stretch after you're done working out.

01:05:06.000 Yeah, so at nighttime, usually I'll be either in a quiet room or I'll be watching TV. I love sports.

01:05:12.000 I'll be watching the game and I'm on the floor, man.

01:05:15.000 And that's what I do.

01:05:16.000 So you just stretch while you're doing stuff?

01:05:18.000 I stretch while I do stuff.

01:05:19.000 Two hours is a long-ass time to stretch.

01:05:21.000 Is this just because you're trying to correct all the...

01:05:23.000 I'm trying to correct...

01:05:24.000 Years of not doing that?

01:05:26.000 No, years of...

01:05:27.000 Do you ever fuck with yoga?

01:05:28.000 A lot.

01:05:29.000 Yeah?

01:05:29.000 Yoga is the shit.

01:05:30.000 What do you do, hot yoga?

01:05:31.000 I have my own yoga.

01:05:32.000 So I kind of invented my own little yoga for what my body needs.

01:05:36.000 I've done hot yoga several times.

01:05:38.000 Yoga's huge.

01:05:39.000 Yoga's huge.

01:05:40.000 Like holding those positions.

01:05:41.000 And I'm big and holding them for a long period of time.

01:05:44.000 So that's where my stretching is.

01:05:46.000 Like people say, don't hold stretches for a long time.

01:05:47.000 I hold them for a long period of time.

01:05:49.000 I'm trying to get full range of motion.

01:05:51.000 A lot of people go in for like my shoulders all messed up.

01:05:55.000 I get surgery on it.

01:05:56.000 Nah.

01:05:57.000 If you only have full range of motion in your body, don't go in and get cut on, man, until you know that your body is actually opened up.

01:06:04.000 You know, we start to get knuckle-drager syndrome from doing all these push-ups.

01:06:08.000 You never work your back, you know, like your rear delts.

01:06:12.000 So here you are.

01:06:13.000 You start hunching over before you know your joints are out of the whack.

01:06:17.000 You need to get full range of motion before you know how fucked up you truly are.

01:06:21.000 So I'm always working on full range of motion like a kid.

01:06:24.000 They run so effortlessly.

01:06:26.000 They're always in full range of motion.

01:06:28.000 As you get older and tighter and sit and more stressed, your body starts to get more and more tight.

01:06:33.000 Therefore, your shoulders start to get out of balance and out of joint and out of socket.

01:06:38.000 Therefore, you know, it's popping.

01:06:39.000 It's popping because you're fucking tight.

01:06:42.000 Open it up first.

01:06:42.000 Open it up.

01:06:43.000 Can you touch your hands behind each other and raise them up behind you?

01:06:47.000 You know, it's all these different ranges of motion that I got real smart on from a guy and I took it to another level.

01:06:53.000 So do you work with a trainer or do you always work out by yourself?

01:06:56.000 Everything I do.

01:06:57.000 I've never had a trainer in my entire life.

01:06:59.000 Really?

01:06:59.000 Never.

01:07:00.000 Not one time.

01:07:01.000 Do you read about physiology or exercise science or anything like that?

01:07:06.000 Nothing.

01:07:06.000 Nothing?

01:07:07.000 Nothing.

01:07:07.000 But what about when they learn new shit about new ways to enhance shoulder stability or new exercises?

01:07:14.000 You're not interested?

01:07:15.000 Nope.

01:07:16.000 I don't do it for that reason.

01:07:20.000 What do you do for it?

01:07:21.000 Still to this day, man.

01:07:23.000 Still to this day.

01:07:23.000 To this day, it is for me to become better mentally.

01:07:30.000 How I look has just become a...

01:07:33.000 Like, I have thousands, thousands, hundreds of thousands of miles on this body.

01:07:39.000 Running, pull-ups, push-ups, swimming, whatever you want to call it.

01:07:42.000 This body is what it is now.

01:07:44.000 It's from repetition.

01:07:46.000 It's not from studying, you know, hey, if you hold a plank for this long, fuck all that bullshit.

01:07:50.000 I don't care about it.

01:07:52.000 I just do it for my mind.

01:07:54.000 Right.

01:07:54.000 I want to continue to harden because that's the only thing I want.

01:07:58.000 That's what I want.

01:07:59.000 I want to have that mind ready for life.

01:08:01.000 But you also want to increase your range of motion.

01:08:03.000 Oh yeah!

01:08:04.000 Range of motion is huge!

01:08:05.000 You want to make sure that you're not causing any additional injuries.

01:08:09.000 Wouldn't you want to stabilize some areas that maybe you feel like you might have weaknesses and find out new techniques to do that?

01:08:15.000 Have you seen me with my shirt off?

01:08:17.000 No.

01:08:18.000 Yeah.

01:08:18.000 It's stable as fuck.

01:08:21.000 I saw you when you had your shirt off when you first came here.

01:08:24.000 I walked in.

01:08:26.000 Dave got here early, and by the time I got here, he was already doing chin-ups.

01:08:30.000 Yeah, it's stable.

01:08:31.000 It's stable.

01:08:31.000 Use some pull-ups, push-ups, mask, some stable shit.

01:08:34.000 Yeah.

01:08:34.000 But all that stuff is very important, honestly.

01:08:38.000 All jokes aside, man.

01:08:39.000 Full range of motion, getting your shoulder rotation, all that stuff is very important.

01:08:43.000 I learned a lot about that coming up.

01:08:46.000 I had a lot of people I worked out with that are real smart about all this stuff.

01:08:50.000 I'm a real old-school meat-eater, like Bill Kazmaier type of lifter.

01:08:54.000 You know, I don't look like it.

01:08:56.000 Back when I was that guy on the back of the skinny guy, that's what I did.

01:09:00.000 And I got off really big into human performance about the body, strength, fitness.

01:09:05.000 That's what I wanted to be.

01:09:05.000 I wanted to be a hybrid motherfucker.

01:09:07.000 A guy that can run 200 miles and then go to the gym with your meathead who's scared of running and lift with him.

01:09:15.000 So that was my whole thing in life.

01:09:16.000 I wanted to be the guy who can run 200 miles with the skinny guys and then go to the gym with the big meatheads and say, okay, load it up.

01:09:23.000 Let's go.

01:09:24.000 So that was my whole thing.

01:09:25.000 That's a very difficult thing to tie the two of them together.

01:09:29.000 Most people, when you think ultra-marathon runners or people that run long distances, they're very thin.

01:09:34.000 Right.

01:09:35.000 Very thin guys.

01:09:36.000 Like, when you were talking about the first time you ran 100 miles that you did deadlifts the night before, like, that is just fucking preposterous.

01:09:43.000 Nobody does that.

01:09:44.000 No, yeah, so me and the guy I talk about in the book, Silverback Gorilla is what I call him in the book.

01:09:50.000 That's not his real name, obviously.

01:09:52.000 But, yeah, he saw me going to my car the night before my first 100-mile race, and, you know, he called me out.

01:09:57.000 He said, hey, Goggins, come here.

01:10:00.000 You know, when a Navy SEAL calls you out, a guy that puts you through three hell weeks, you're like, you know what?

01:10:05.000 I got to go to the gym and lift heavy now.

01:10:07.000 So we're doing squats, deadlifts, power cleans, heavy bench presses.

01:10:11.000 And I'm thinking, I have to run 100 miles tomorrow.

01:10:15.000 But I also knew he was coming out there to watch me.

01:10:18.000 So I was like, you know what?

01:10:20.000 You put me through three whole weeks.

01:10:22.000 You were my instructor.

01:10:23.000 So now it's my turn to educate you.

01:10:26.000 On what a human can do.

01:10:28.000 Because I know you could be sitting there thinking while you're watching me with your wife and your kid and you just worked out with me the night before.

01:10:34.000 We went real heavy.

01:10:35.000 Did the heaviest shit and we're sore.

01:10:37.000 You could sit there while you watch me running around this one mile track.

01:10:40.000 How the fuck is he doing that shit right now?

01:10:43.000 We lifted heavy as hell and he's running 100 miles and never has run past 20 miles in his life.

01:10:49.000 I used that for a lot of fuel.

01:10:51.000 So that gym workout, Mr. Silverback Gorilla, there was a lot for my mentality that that brought with me.

01:10:59.000 I knew I would see you.

01:11:00.000 And he came at mile 50 with a package of six donuts that I chomped up with the quickness.

01:11:08.000 So yeah.

01:11:09.000 So I used that workout for a lot of motivation.

01:11:11.000 I knew he'd see me.

01:11:12.000 I knew he'd be thinking about it.

01:11:13.000 How'd you not get rabdo that day?

01:11:15.000 You know what?

01:11:15.000 I don't know what I got that day.

01:11:18.000 But I talk about it in the book again that when I went home that night or that morning That was single-handedly, nothing even close.

01:11:29.000 I'm 43 years old now.

01:11:30.000 There's nothing even close to that pain.

01:11:33.000 I knew for a fact I wasn't going to get out of that tub.

01:11:36.000 I knew I was done.

01:11:39.000 I was talking about dehydrated, no nutrition.

01:11:42.000 I was eating Ritz crackers and Myoplex.

01:11:44.000 That was the worst pain I'd ever experienced in my entire life.

01:11:49.000 I was pissing Coca-Cola out of me.

01:11:51.000 It was bad.

01:11:53.000 It was bad.

01:11:54.000 She probably did have rabdown.

01:11:55.000 I guarantee it.

01:11:56.000 I guarantee I was bad.

01:11:58.000 You're pissing Coca-Cola.

01:11:59.000 Coca-Cola.

01:12:00.000 No bueno.

01:12:01.000 Yeah, no bueno, son.

01:12:03.000 It was bad.

01:12:04.000 And my ex-wife was like...

01:12:08.000 You know, she's a nurse.

01:12:09.000 Yeah.

01:12:10.000 And she called my mom up and mom had a, her friend there was a doctor friend of hers, said, hey, you got to get him to the doctor immediately.

01:12:17.000 And I was like, hey, you got to give me that fucking phone.

01:12:19.000 I got to call up Chris Costman, let him know I did 100 miles so I can get in the bad water.

01:12:24.000 It didn't go as like I planned, but I did get in the bad water after another race.

01:12:28.000 But didn't you do a marathon like how long later?

01:12:31.000 So basically, I had never run a marathon.

01:12:35.000 I did the 100 mile race first, no training.

01:12:38.000 But I had signed up for the marathon because it was the first Las Vegas marathon running down the strip of Las Vegas.

01:12:44.000 So, Las Vegas had a marathon, but this is the first time it's going to go down the strip.

01:12:49.000 2005, I'm like, hey, I'm going to sign up for it.

01:12:51.000 I went on to Iraq, did deployment.

01:12:54.000 When I come back, I'll be training for it, and I'll go do this race with my family.

01:12:58.000 Me and my ex-wife and my mom signed up for it.

01:13:00.000 So, in Iraq, me and my boy, Sledge, in the book...

01:13:05.000 We're just working out.

01:13:07.000 We're doing crazy workouts.

01:13:09.000 And my cardio was 20 minutes every Sunday on the elliptical trainer.

01:13:14.000 That's the only cardio I did.

01:13:16.000 So I'll call myself training for this marathon, right?

01:13:20.000 So then, you know, my boys got killed in that incident that happened, Lone Survivor, you know, the whole Operation Red Wings.

01:13:28.000 So that's what prompted me to do the 100-mile race.

01:13:31.000 After the 100-mile race in November, it was like two or three weeks later, that marathon that we all signed up for that I didn't train for, I didn't train for the 100-mile race, I didn't train at all for this.

01:13:41.000 Like, hey, I'll drive there with you all.

01:13:43.000 Because I tried to run the day before.

01:13:45.000 Like, I can't even run down the block.

01:13:48.000 So I didn't do it.

01:13:49.000 So we were driving to the race.

01:13:51.000 I said, hey, mom, my mom's going to walk it.

01:13:52.000 I said, I'm going to walk it with you.

01:13:55.000 My ex-wife, I said, you can go ahead and take off, do your thing, run your race.

01:13:59.000 I'm going to walk my mom.

01:14:01.000 That gun went off.

01:14:04.000 And something fucking happened.

01:14:07.000 I took off.

01:14:09.000 I was like, what?

01:14:10.000 I took off like a jackrabbit.

01:14:12.000 Gone.

01:14:12.000 I was like, what the hell?

01:14:13.000 So I was thinking the whole time.

01:14:16.000 I was like, man, I couldn't.

01:14:17.000 I just ran 100 miles like three weeks ago, like the first time ever.

01:14:20.000 I was peeing blood and pissing shit on myself.

01:14:23.000 I go, my body's broken.

01:14:24.000 My Achilles and my tendons and my feet are broken.

01:14:27.000 I go, what is this?

01:14:30.000 And every time I started running further and further, I go, okay, I got to the 10K. I'm on Boston Marathon time because I knew the Boston Marathon was like 310.59 for my age.

01:14:39.000 I'm like, hang on a second.

01:14:42.000 And I started using all this external shit for motivation.

01:14:44.000 Like, okay, who the fuck can go out here and run a hundred miles, no training?

01:14:49.000 I'm broken.

01:14:50.000 Most broken I've been in my life.

01:14:51.000 Now I'm running a marathon.

01:14:52.000 Who can do it?

01:14:53.000 So I started just feeding myself, feeding myself.

01:14:56.000 I get to half the mile.

01:14:57.000 I'm about 30 seconds off the pace.

01:14:59.000 I said, hang on, man.

01:15:01.000 You're Goggins.

01:15:02.000 You can do this shit, man.

01:15:04.000 And I started just feeding myself, feeding myself, feeding myself.

01:15:06.000 You can do this.

01:15:07.000 Before I knew it, man, I kept talking to like the last six miles and I was off the pace and I just kicked it and the next thing I knew I did like a 3.08 and changed.

01:15:17.000 And I was like, what the fuck?

01:15:19.000 What have I been leaving on the table?

01:15:21.000 I've been leaving so much on the fucking table.

01:15:25.000 For pain, and that's when I started going crazy about the mind.

01:15:30.000 What the hell am I doing?

01:15:32.000 What is up?

01:15:33.000 It opened these different doors of possibility.

01:15:38.000 What is humanly possible?

01:15:39.000 What are we capable of?

01:15:41.000 I didn't even know.

01:15:43.000 I was just amazed by what I was able to do by a simple fact of just reasoning.

01:15:49.000 And working with pain and pain management.

01:15:52.000 And my mind just kept on growing from there.

01:15:55.000 And it happened in Hell Week.

01:15:57.000 It happened in 100 Mile Race.

01:15:58.000 It happened here.

01:15:58.000 It started just evolving into what it is now.

01:16:02.000 To where now I'm like, God, man, the mind.

01:16:03.000 We are leaving so much on the table.

01:16:05.000 When people take me, he cusses so much.

01:16:08.000 He sounds crazy.

01:16:09.000 Don't listen to all that shit, man.

01:16:11.000 Just cut off the bullshit.

01:16:13.000 Cut the bullshit.

01:16:14.000 Just get to the weeds of that you are fucking yourself up by not examining your brain.

01:16:21.000 You're not examining your brain.

01:16:23.000 Mess is it.

01:16:24.000 That's done.

01:16:25.000 Examine your fucking brain and that takes some hard work and suffering.

01:16:29.000 If you're not going to do that, I'm sorry.

01:16:31.000 And it seems like there's no way to do that as a bystander.

01:16:34.000 No!

01:16:34.000 You can't watch it, man.

01:16:36.000 Yeah.

01:16:36.000 You gotta get out there and be like, oh, this hurts.

01:16:38.000 This hurts real fucking bad.

01:16:40.000 I don't think this is smart.

01:16:42.000 And then, guess what happens?

01:16:44.000 The body will adjust.

01:16:46.000 It will adjust.

01:16:48.000 And everybody goes, well, then the next question I get, but is there a time when it doesn't adjust?

01:16:54.000 Ha ha ha!

01:16:56.000 I guess some of the stupidest shit, man.

01:16:58.000 Like, don't, don't, take it with a grain of fucking salt, people.

01:17:02.000 Those questions are people that are wanting to quit.

01:17:03.000 Yes, yes.

01:17:04.000 And that's what I say.

01:17:05.000 When should I quit?

01:17:06.000 Yeah, like, uh, did you ever, like, feel like, no, shut the fuck up.

01:17:09.000 Stop!

01:17:10.000 Stop!

01:17:11.000 I don't want to, like, that, there's always that next question.

01:17:15.000 No, don't take it like go out there and run through a brick wall as many times as you can.

01:17:19.000 No, I'm not saying be me.

01:17:21.000 Don't run 205 miles at one time.

01:17:23.000 I'm not saying do that.

01:17:24.000 I'm saying start to learn the mind is powerful.

01:17:28.000 It's powerful, man.

01:17:30.000 It's unbelievable.

01:17:31.000 But people need a thing to get them going.

01:17:35.000 They need a thing.

01:17:37.000 They need a goal.

01:17:41.000 Sometimes the first step is the hardest.

01:17:43.000 It's hard to take that one million step, too.

01:17:46.000 But sometimes the first step is the most...

01:17:48.000 There's something about the...

01:17:49.000 What do I do?

01:17:51.000 They start going over their phone.

01:17:52.000 They start calling people.

01:17:54.000 They don't get out of the house.

01:17:57.000 And there's something about...

01:18:01.000 Procrastination.

01:18:01.000 It's like, you know it's painful.

01:18:03.000 You know you should be doing things, but you just keep doing it.

01:18:06.000 You keep itching that scab.

01:18:09.000 I procrastinate like a motherfucker, man.

01:18:12.000 Every day.

01:18:12.000 I don't want to do this shit.

01:18:16.000 That's what's so funny, man.

01:18:17.000 People are looking like I'm some damn superhero that came down from the gods, from the heavens of earth.

01:18:22.000 No, man.

01:18:22.000 I don't want to do this shit.

01:18:25.000 Right?

01:18:26.000 I'm looking at my shoes for 30 minutes sometimes thinking, man, fuck, man.

01:18:31.000 People look up to you, Goggins.

01:18:34.000 Fuck them.

01:18:35.000 I don't want to do the shit.

01:18:38.000 I'm like, I don't want to do this shit, man.

01:18:39.000 But guess what?

01:18:40.000 You do it.

01:18:41.000 I'm going to do it.

01:18:41.000 As long as you do it.

01:18:42.000 And that's what I know about it, man.

01:18:44.000 That's why I stopped doing it.

01:18:45.000 I'm thinking, you know, man, you're going to fucking sit here.

01:18:46.000 You're going to look at your shoes for 30, 40 minutes.

01:18:49.000 You're going to go.

01:18:49.000 You're going to think about it all day long.

01:18:51.000 You're going to do it anyway.

01:18:52.000 And sometimes you don't have the time to look at your shoes for 30 minutes.

01:18:55.000 No.

01:18:55.000 Those are the beautiful days.

01:18:57.000 Yes.

01:18:57.000 Because you know you just have to go.

01:18:58.000 That's right.

01:18:59.000 And so, like, there's no room for procrastination.

01:19:01.000 And that's when I was in the military.

01:19:02.000 I loved my schedule.

01:19:04.000 Because I knew how to be at work at 7 o'clock.

01:19:06.000 So you better get your ass up at 4 o'clock, man.

01:19:08.000 You got to get your shit in, brother.

01:19:10.000 Because I had to get my shit in before I got my shit in.

01:19:12.000 Right.

01:19:13.000 You know?

01:19:13.000 So that was my mentality back then, man.

01:19:15.000 You know, like I had to get the miles and get everything in, man.

01:19:20.000 And get to work, man.

01:19:21.000 I'm competing with the alpha males.

01:19:23.000 Yeah, but how much did that piss other alpha males off?

01:19:26.000 That you were imposing a very high bar.

01:19:30.000 I... I was a very misunderstood human being when I was in the military.

01:19:36.000 The Air Force guys liked me a lot.

01:19:38.000 The Rangers liked me a lot.

01:19:40.000 So much not the SEALs.

01:19:42.000 Because they were with you.

01:19:44.000 They didn't like me so much, which is fine.

01:19:46.000 You know, I respect them.

01:19:48.000 I think a lot of them respect.

01:19:49.000 I have a lot of friends in the SEAL teams.

01:19:51.000 A lot of guys have like-minded mentalities as me.

01:19:54.000 And once again, I grew up and I got over it.

01:19:56.000 A lot of guys still have, you know, a lot of people can't get over the fact of whatever...

01:20:00.000 When I became a SEAL recruiter, a lot of guys thought I wasn't deploying for a lot of reasons and whatnot.

01:20:06.000 I heard a lot.

01:20:07.000 I was that guy who grinded.

01:20:10.000 I grinded hard.

01:20:11.000 I mean, I grinded hard.

01:20:14.000 I was that guy who was up.

01:20:15.000 Like, if we went on an op or we had a workup, let's say we had a workup.

01:20:20.000 We were in Nyland.

01:20:21.000 We're out there shooting guns and doing land warfare.

01:20:24.000 And we did it to like 1 o'clock in the fucking morning.

01:20:27.000 Most everybody would go to sleep.

01:20:30.000 I didn't go to sleep.

01:20:31.000 I went to the gym and I worked out.

01:20:34.000 Or I'd go to sleep and I said we'd be up at five o'clock.

01:20:37.000 I was up at four o'clock and got my hour in.

01:20:39.000 I made sure to always do that.

01:20:41.000 And I did it to a point to where I think it pissed some people off because I wasn't a quiet person about it.

01:20:48.000 I wasn't the most humble person always.

01:20:53.000 So when you're around alpha males, you're sometimes picking a fight all the time.

01:20:59.000 And I look different.

01:21:00.000 I acted different.

01:21:01.000 I was different.

01:21:02.000 I am different.

01:21:02.000 I take a lot of pride in that.

01:21:04.000 And so if you didn't get after it, I didn't respect you.

01:21:08.000 Because I believe that where I'm at, I know that human potential is what we have.

01:21:15.000 It's all we have.

01:21:16.000 The world sees us a certain way.

01:21:20.000 And when I saw that people weren't doing that, I had a funky-ass fucking attitude.

01:21:25.000 And I own it in my book.

01:21:27.000 I come back from Ranger School a big-time leader.

01:21:29.000 I was a big-time fucking leader.

01:21:31.000 I got Honor Man out there.

01:21:32.000 I led by example.

01:21:34.000 And what I realized, a lot of times when you're in these schools, these schools, people want to graduate these schools because they suck.

01:21:41.000 They don't want to ever go back to these schools.

01:21:45.000 Those schools became my fucking life.

01:21:48.000 People don't want to see a fucking guy that wants to go back to day one, week one of fucking Navy SEAL training every fucking day of your life.

01:21:55.000 And that's how I live.

01:21:57.000 And it's a disgusting human being that I can be.

01:22:01.000 It is.

01:22:02.000 And a lot of people didn't like me.

01:22:04.000 A lot of fucking people started some stupid shit and started saying this and that.

01:22:07.000 The bottom line, man, is my fucking resume says it all, man.

01:22:11.000 My resume's out there.

01:22:12.000 Google the motherfucker.

01:22:13.000 You say whatever you want to say about me, man.

01:22:15.000 I missed some diplomats, man, for having fucking, you know, two heart surgeries and people trying to start some rumor shit on me, man.

01:22:22.000 You started rumor shit on me, man, because I fucking got the fuck after it.

01:22:25.000 And real hard guys, like a guy named Hawk I talk to all the time, He's a great friend of mine.

01:22:33.000 Before my heart surgery, my second heart surgery, I went on a 10-mile ruck run.

01:22:36.000 Before my second heart surgery, the day of it, I went on a 10-mile ruck run, 50 pounds.

01:22:40.000 I saw that guy.

01:22:41.000 He's like, what the fuck are you doing out here?

01:22:43.000 We got heart surgery.

01:22:44.000 Roger that, brother.

01:22:45.000 I'm getting it in before I'm going to be out for about six months after the heart surgery.

01:22:48.000 That was my mentality.

01:22:50.000 Because I started realizing at a young age, What I was leaving on the table.

01:22:54.000 And once I found out what a human being is capable of, I didn't know how to control that.

01:23:00.000 I was a fucking, you want to talk about fucking savage?

01:23:03.000 That's what I was.

01:23:04.000 I was a fucking straight up.

01:23:05.000 People talk about savage very lightly.

01:23:07.000 I was fucking from the back woods motherfucking savage, dude.

01:23:12.000 I told you what I thought.

01:23:16.000 I had eight chips on my shoulder.

01:23:21.000 And a lot of times that wasn't great.

01:23:23.000 So is it a situation like with the SEALs where once you've gotten through BUDS and once you've gotten through all the physically grueling parts of getting to be accepted, once you're in, then you are imposing standards that they didn't want to keep up with.

01:23:41.000 I would say some people.

01:23:43.000 I had one platoon that I had a problem with.

01:23:46.000 I graduated Ranger School and I got in this platoon and I was in charge of a PT program.

01:23:54.000 And you put me in charge of the PT program, it's fucking your ass.

01:23:57.000 And the thing about it is, I didn't like it either.

01:24:00.000 I didn't want to do this shit either, man.

01:24:02.000 What were you making them do?

01:24:03.000 Like, you know, it was some bud shit.

01:24:07.000 You know, we went back to buds.

01:24:08.000 Like, you know, log PTs and carrying logs over the berms and shit.

01:24:11.000 And, like, I had us do, like, pull-ups, rope climbs.

01:24:14.000 Pull-ups, like, for, like, an hour.

01:24:17.000 So imagine doing a rope climb and then go over and do, like, 10 to 15 pull-ups coming back.

01:24:21.000 And we would do like these, they were very hard workouts.

01:24:24.000 Like there was no like, go to the gym, lift some weights type of shit.

01:24:28.000 And I was imposing my own mentality on everybody.

01:24:33.000 These are grown ass fucking men.

01:24:35.000 You know, they don't want to be what I'm trying to make them to be.

01:24:38.000 And when they called me off, like, hey, you know, we're not in Bud's anymore, Goggins.

01:24:44.000 It pissed me off.

01:24:46.000 And I got a little fucking attitude.

01:24:48.000 I got my ball and me and Sledge went ahead and started to work out together.

01:24:54.000 And we developed this, like, me and Slez work out like fucking geranimals, and we had this fucking mentality of, fuck yeah, we're getting after it every day.

01:25:02.000 And everybody else kind of did their own thing, man.

01:25:04.000 And I just, that's when I started looking at people, you know, not just SEALs, but people very differently, man, because I bid in to, like, you know, like, to be the special operator.

01:25:13.000 You got to have broken legs and these guys, all those stories.

01:25:16.000 I was the same guy, man.

01:25:17.000 I put people on a pedestal.

01:25:20.000 I put people...

01:25:21.000 I can never be them.

01:25:22.000 I can never be that guy, man.

01:25:24.000 Never put anybody on a pedestal.

01:25:26.000 That's what happened to me.

01:25:27.000 I put them on a pedestal, and once I got up there with them, and I saw them, and once again, not everybody.

01:25:31.000 Some hard motherfuckers out there, dude.

01:25:34.000 Period.

01:25:34.000 Dot.

01:25:34.000 Hard motherfuckers.

01:25:36.000 I thought every motherfucker was hard.

01:25:39.000 It ain't.

01:25:40.000 It ain't.

01:25:41.000 Uncommon amongst uncommon men.

01:25:44.000 That's all it was about for me, man.

01:25:45.000 And I took it to another level and I pissed a lot of motherfuckers off.

01:25:49.000 And they were trying to find chinks in my armor then.

01:25:52.000 They were trying to find chinks in my armor.

01:25:54.000 You know, all he does is run.

01:25:56.000 All he does is fucking run.

01:25:58.000 That's why, you know, but once again, that's why I'm talking about the military too much.

01:26:02.000 Like I said, the Air Force loved me.

01:26:04.000 The Army guys I worked with loved me.

01:26:05.000 The Ranger School, all that stuff loved me.

01:26:07.000 You know, I wasn't, you know, it's just what it is, man.

01:26:11.000 I was part of the Navy SEALs.

01:26:13.000 I was the team guy, but I wasn't part of the Brotherhood.

01:26:18.000 And that's just me, man.

01:26:19.000 That's just me.

01:26:20.000 It ain't say nothing bad about them.

01:26:22.000 I got a lot of love for a lot of them.

01:26:24.000 A lot of them.

01:26:25.000 A lot of them ain't got love for me, but I ain't going to talk bad about them.

01:26:28.000 It's just, I'm different.

01:26:29.000 And that's the thing I figured out.

01:26:31.000 I'm different from everybody in the fucking world.

01:26:34.000 And I had to own that and say, you know what, man, you made a lot of fucking mistakes being who you are.

01:26:40.000 And I should have been more of a leader at times.

01:26:42.000 But a lot of times, a lot of people should have been a little bit harder, too.

01:26:45.000 So was it that some of those guys just didn't want to work as hard?

01:26:48.000 Or was it just that they weren't appreciating how competitive you were?

01:26:52.000 You were always against them?

01:26:54.000 Is that what it was?

01:26:54.000 That it didn't foster the sense of brotherhood?

01:26:57.000 Because you were more like, come on, pussy.

01:27:00.000 I didn't really call them pussies, but you can look at my face and how I looked at you.

01:27:04.000 And you can kind of say this.

01:27:07.000 So what happens, I started developing this separation.

01:27:11.000 Another thing about me too, man, is I don't go out.

01:27:14.000 I don't party.

01:27:15.000 I don't hang out with the guys.

01:27:17.000 I don't, you know, so I was always forming this kind of separation.

01:27:21.000 I'm a big time introvert.

01:27:23.000 You know, I do my job and I don't want to see your fucking ass again.

01:27:28.000 I'm gonna go home, refresh, and we'll see you again.

01:27:30.000 You know, you're in a platoon with these guys for two years sometimes, a year and a half.

01:27:35.000 And we'd work up, do our shit, and I was just a different fucking cat.

01:27:40.000 I'm a different cat, man.

01:27:43.000 I think differently.

01:27:45.000 I believe differently.

01:27:48.000 I believe strongly in what I believe in.

01:27:51.000 Well, some people must appreciate the fact that you were self-motivated and that you were pushing the envelope, that you were pushing the pace.

01:27:57.000 You were setting a high bar.

01:27:58.000 Yeah, I have a lot of guys right now within the community.

01:28:01.000 A lot of guys.

01:28:02.000 Once again, this is like...

01:28:05.000 It's like a big soap opera sometimes, man.

01:28:07.000 When you're in a fraternity like that, that's what it's like, man.

01:28:12.000 So I had to get a different vantage point, look at it and see like, you know, a lot of guys did respect who I was and what I did.

01:28:19.000 And I brought it fucking hard a lot and every day.

01:28:23.000 But I also rub people the wrong way.

01:28:27.000 I'm like that itch you're talking about.

01:28:29.000 I'm like that itch.

01:28:30.000 You want to scratch the fuck out of my ass, you know what I'm saying?

01:28:33.000 You want to be like, fuck this dude, man.

01:28:37.000 I love what you talked about when you ran the marathon, you realized how much you were leaving on the table.

01:28:42.000 Because that is, I mean, I think...

01:28:47.000 The unfulfilled potential is the story of most people's lives.

01:28:50.000 It is.

01:28:51.000 It is.

01:28:52.000 And it could have been the story of mine.

01:28:54.000 And I tell a lot of people, people go, what's your biggest fear in life?

01:28:59.000 And my biggest fear, honestly, was, let's say this.

01:29:02.000 Let's say, I don't care if you believe in God or not.

01:29:05.000 I don't care.

01:29:05.000 So let's just play a game with me.

01:29:06.000 Let's say you're God.

01:29:08.000 And we have a big, fucking long line of people.

01:29:11.000 And I made to heaven.

01:29:12.000 I'm 75 years old.

01:29:13.000 I'm 300 pounds.

01:29:14.000 I made to heaven.

01:29:15.000 I worked for Ecolab my entire life, sprained for cockroaches.

01:29:18.000 That's what I did.

01:29:20.000 But I'm dead.

01:29:20.000 I'm in heaven now.

01:29:21.000 And you're judging us all now.

01:29:24.000 So we're in line.

01:29:26.000 We're all sitting there in line.

01:29:27.000 You have...

01:29:29.000 Adam Brown.

01:29:30.000 He has a big board up, and you're talking to Adam Brown about his life.

01:29:34.000 And you rip it down, and I'm next in line.

01:29:37.000 David Goggins.

01:29:38.000 I see my name, and I see all this shit, and God goes, hey, you say, read this, man.

01:29:43.000 And I'm reading this list, and I'm seeing 182 pounds, Navy SEAL, Ranger School, motivational speaker, changing lives.

01:29:55.000 Okay, man, pull up record, all this shit.

01:29:57.000 And I'm like, that's not me, man.

01:30:00.000 And God looks at me and says, that's who you were supposed to be.

01:30:04.000 And my biggest fear, I visualize some crazy shit.

01:30:09.000 My biggest fear is that one day I'm going to reach a judgment of my life.

01:30:13.000 Something is going to judge me for what the fuck I was supposed to be in life.

01:30:18.000 And what I want now is that whoever's judged me, whatever's judged me up there, I want them to have a board and them up there right now getting their pin out.

01:30:29.000 Because, you know, this person who judges is supposed to know everything.

01:30:31.000 Supposed to know from the time you're dead, the time you're, you know, the time you're born, the time you're dead.

01:30:35.000 I want this person up there to be like this, up there writing more about me saying, fuck, I know you can do that.

01:30:42.000 I know you can do that.

01:30:43.000 So I want to impress Whatever the fuck is up there, whatever's going on in life, I want to go up there and not have anything left on the table.

01:30:52.000 I want to drain my soul of every fucking bit of person I am.

01:30:58.000 Now, how do you plan on doing that going forward in the future?

01:31:01.000 Do you have a plan?

01:31:02.000 Yeah, so what I did, I believe in going back to scratch.

01:31:06.000 So, a lot of us, like right now, I've come a long way in my life.

01:31:10.000 I've had to grow up a lot, accept a lot of the fucking things I've done in my life.

01:31:13.000 I'd accept a lot.

01:31:14.000 I took all this information.

01:31:16.000 Big database.

01:31:17.000 Took it all.

01:31:18.000 So, what got me to be where I'm at today is data.

01:31:22.000 I collect even more data now, which is where I can write this book, which I can tell people, hey, you know, I fucking have a lot of faults.

01:31:28.000 I have a mentality that can sometimes rub people in the wrong way, all this shit.

01:31:31.000 So how you get better is, so right now, I'm way up here now.

01:31:35.000 I was way down here.

01:31:37.000 But what makes you way up here is being from way down here.

01:31:41.000 So I love going back.

01:31:43.000 So when I was growing up for like three years, so from the time I was eight to the time I was like 12, we lived in a $7 a month place.

01:31:51.000 And what I call it is I'm always paying rent in that $7 a month home.

01:31:56.000 Every day of my life.

01:31:57.000 I go back and revisit that place.

01:31:59.000 Because that place made me this geranimal.

01:32:02.000 That place made me this hard man.

01:32:05.000 And then from that place, that place is hard work.

01:32:08.000 That place is going back to the fundamentals of life.

01:32:11.000 The fundamentals of what made David Goggins David Goggins.

01:32:14.000 Going back in there.

01:32:15.000 Going back to the library of David Goggins.

01:32:18.000 Studying even more than what I know.

01:32:20.000 Taking that out.

01:32:21.000 Going back to where I'm at now.

01:32:23.000 And then moving forward.

01:32:24.000 So I believe in always taking steps backwards to your roots.

01:32:28.000 We cannot forget the roots and what made us the geranimal.

01:32:32.000 We can never become civilized.

01:32:33.000 Isn't a geranimal the little kids' clothes?

01:32:35.000 It's the little kids' clothes, but I love the word.

01:32:38.000 I don't know if it's clothes or drinks.

01:32:41.000 I don't know if it's clothes or drinks, man, but it's something like that.

01:32:45.000 So when you're living right now, what kind of goals are you setting?

01:32:50.000 How are you feeding that beast inside of you?

01:32:54.000 How are you calming all that down?

01:32:57.000 Stretching's helped a lot.

01:32:58.000 So when you wire yourself up so much, yoga and stretching has really helped me.

01:33:05.000 You want to be quiet in your mind to see where you want to go.

01:33:08.000 Because noise...

01:33:09.000 It's the ultimate kryptonite.

01:33:11.000 Damn.

01:33:12.000 Too much noise in your mind, you're not going to be focused on what the task at hand is.

01:33:16.000 It's one of the things that I've found that long cardio is the best thing ever for calming that noise.

01:33:21.000 Yes.

01:33:21.000 We all talked about that, all the guys that I did that Sober October thing with, the fitness challenge, that if you work out five hours a day, you don't give a fuck.

01:33:29.000 No.

01:33:29.000 It's amazing.

01:33:30.000 I'm like, if you could take that and put it in a pill form, how you feel about life after you work out five hours.

01:33:36.000 Yep.

01:33:37.000 You don't give a fuck.

01:33:37.000 Nothing bothers you.

01:33:38.000 Like, fuck you.

01:33:39.000 Nothing.

01:33:40.000 Because you've struggled.

01:33:41.000 True.

01:33:41.000 My fiance right now, she's like, hey, I got X, Y, and Z. I'm like, I'll take you.

01:33:46.000 She's like, what?

01:33:47.000 You want to look at shoes?

01:33:48.000 I'll take you.

01:33:49.000 What?

01:33:49.000 I'm like, I just worked out for four hours, man.

01:33:52.000 Yeah.

01:33:52.000 I fucking sit down in this motherfucker chair all day long, son.

01:33:55.000 Yeah.

01:33:56.000 Yeah, I'm chill.

01:33:56.000 It's different.

01:33:57.000 Yeah, I get all that shit out.

01:33:59.000 I ring the rag out in the morning time.

01:34:02.000 And whatever you want to do, I'm here, man.

01:34:05.000 Most people never get there, though.

01:34:06.000 No.

01:34:07.000 They always have that chatter.

01:34:08.000 Always.

01:34:09.000 I was in negative anger with the guy who cut you off yesterday at 3 o'clock.

01:34:13.000 All day long.

01:34:13.000 Still in your head.

01:34:14.000 Yep, all day long, man.

01:34:16.000 Chatter.

01:34:16.000 Chatter, chatter, chatter.

01:34:17.000 Maybe I should do this.

01:34:18.000 Maybe I should have done that.

01:34:19.000 I should have never let that guy get away with that.

01:34:20.000 Exactly.

01:34:21.000 I should have done this.

01:34:22.000 I should have taken that job.

01:34:23.000 I should have moved.

01:34:24.000 I should have stuck with her.

01:34:27.000 That was me, man.

01:34:29.000 That was me.

01:34:30.000 Why don't people like me?

01:34:32.000 It's amazing that that long cardio just calms that chatter like that.

01:34:37.000 Until October, I'd never really done long cardio every day.

01:34:42.000 It beats that testosterone up, man.

01:34:44.000 Beats everything up.

01:34:45.000 You're like fucking done.

01:34:47.000 You're cool.

01:34:48.000 You're cool, man.

01:34:49.000 It's not just that.

01:34:51.000 I always talk about people's brains.

01:34:53.000 I think that the way people's minds work, that we're like a battery that's leaking out.

01:34:59.000 Since we don't use it, because we have all this potential, we don't use it.

01:35:04.000 It oozes off the top of the battery and it gets messy.

01:35:07.000 Right.

01:35:07.000 It's going down the sides of the battery.

01:35:09.000 It's all fucked up.

01:35:10.000 But when you just drain that bitch, like nature intended, like give you the potential to run away from predators, avoid invading tribes, and to fight and gather and hunt and all the physical potential that your body is capable of.

01:35:28.000 When you do drain it with like a 10-mile run or long cardio session, long workout session...

01:35:34.000 Then you can just be you.

01:35:35.000 It's the great purge, man.

01:35:37.000 The purge.

01:35:38.000 It's the purge.

01:35:38.000 You purge all that fucking demon shit out, man.

01:35:41.000 All the evil.

01:35:42.000 Evil can't stain a 10-mile run, bro.

01:35:44.000 It's gonna get leaked right the fuck out.

01:35:46.000 It does.

01:35:47.000 It gets pounded out.

01:35:48.000 Pound it out.

01:35:48.000 Yeah, but you can see things more clearly.

01:35:51.000 And that is only available through effort.

01:35:53.000 I mean, maybe it's available through meditation.

01:35:55.000 I don't know.

01:35:56.000 But I feel like there's a different thing that's available through effort.

01:35:59.000 Because there's also a satisfaction of accomplishment.

01:36:01.000 Oh, yeah.

01:36:02.000 Effort's huge, man.

01:36:03.000 It means everything.

01:36:05.000 Because you've got to feel good about yourself.

01:36:07.000 Do you plan out your future?

01:36:10.000 I do.

01:36:12.000 I have that accountability mirror, but I also plan all my small, big time, medium goals, all these things I have to do in life.

01:36:20.000 I'm a big planner.

01:36:21.000 I'm a big planner.

01:36:23.000 Right now, I'm going back to scratch, so I'm trying to be a wildland firefighter.

01:36:28.000 I did that for a couple of seasons.

01:36:30.000 You're going to do that now?

01:36:31.000 Yeah, so I did it for two, not full seasons, but two half seasons.

01:36:35.000 So this year was my second year doing it.

01:36:37.000 I had to stop about two months before it ended because of this book to start promoting the book and start finishing the book up.

01:36:46.000 But I've been doing that for two seasons.

01:36:47.000 That's some fucking work, man.

01:36:49.000 Those fucking guys get after it.

01:36:51.000 What made you decide to do that?

01:36:53.000 The work.

01:36:54.000 When your hands stop becoming really calloused, it's time to get back to work.

01:37:00.000 I retired from the military.

01:37:01.000 I did 21 years in the military.

01:37:04.000 The military was my life.

01:37:05.000 Loved everything about it, the discipline of it.

01:37:08.000 There's something about going back, and the money you make is nil.

01:37:13.000 It's not about the money at all.

01:37:14.000 It's just about the hard work.

01:37:16.000 I've always been looking for those people.

01:37:19.000 You're out there digging a three-mile fire line.

01:37:22.000 Literally, a three-mile fire line, you're cutting down these fucking huge-ass trees to dig this fire line, and the fire line is like 20 to 18 inches for three miles.

01:37:32.000 And you got like fucking 12 people digging this shit.

01:37:35.000 And I'm either thinking, man, this is some of the hardest fucking work I've done in my life.

01:37:39.000 And it's that challenge that you can't find sometimes by going to the gym or by running a 100-mile race.

01:37:46.000 It's that new challenge of like, hey, and you get done digging?

01:37:50.000 All right.

01:37:51.000 You've worked 17 hours, 16, 17 hours?

01:37:54.000 You get your fucking little fucking sleeping mat out.

01:37:58.000 Shack down.

01:37:59.000 Boom.

01:37:59.000 Right there on the floor.

01:38:00.000 Right there on the ground.

01:38:01.000 Get up.

01:38:02.000 Dig some more.

01:38:03.000 You know, be out there two, three weeks sometimes, man, just doing that shit.

01:38:06.000 And there's great satisfaction in the kind of work that you do out there.

01:38:09.000 No one's watching.

01:38:10.000 No one gives a fuck.

01:38:12.000 It's hard, dangerous fucking work.

01:38:14.000 And, you know, you're doing it to help shit out, man.

01:38:17.000 How did you get drawn into that?

01:38:18.000 So I got drawn into it because I was always looking for the next challenge.

01:38:22.000 And I was like, okay, what is there after the military?

01:38:25.000 What the fuck is there, man?

01:38:27.000 I'm 43. I'm getting back in shape, you know.

01:38:31.000 I'm fucking getting these health issues taken care of that I had.

01:38:33.000 And I started, once again, Google is amazing shit.

01:38:37.000 Hardcore fucking jobs, pretty much.

01:38:40.000 That's how I found the first race.

01:38:43.000 Hardest races in the world.

01:38:46.000 Basically, I started finding this wildland firefighter.

01:38:49.000 What the fuck is a wildland firefighter?

01:38:51.000 I started Googling that.

01:38:51.000 I started Googling smoke jumpers.

01:38:53.000 I'm like, what the fuck do these guys do?

01:38:55.000 What?

01:38:56.000 They jump out of planes and attack small fires?

01:38:59.000 I'm like, that's the shit.

01:39:01.000 I'm like, okay.

01:39:02.000 We can put down a list.

01:39:03.000 Hot shots.

01:39:04.000 What's the hot shot, dude?

01:39:06.000 They go out, you know, big fires, and they dig fire line.

01:39:10.000 I'm like, fuck, what's digging fire line?

01:39:12.000 And I saw a video of it.

01:39:13.000 I'm like, that shit looks like it sucks.

01:39:15.000 It's hot.

01:39:16.000 You know, you're out there on your own.

01:39:18.000 I mean, you know, you're out there on your own, man, just digging fire lines.

01:39:21.000 So that's kind of how I found it.

01:39:22.000 I'm always looking for the next challenge.

01:39:25.000 I'm never satisfied with, oh, I did that.

01:39:28.000 I became a SEAL. I was an Air Force guy.

01:39:32.000 I became a SEAL. I went to ranger school.

01:39:33.000 I tried out for Delta Force twice.

01:39:36.000 I'm always looking for what is next, looking for those uncommon men and women, uncommon people, because I'm trying to grow.

01:39:45.000 I'm trying to grow.

01:39:46.000 And a lot of times, you know, you don't want to be the only person that's making yourself grow.

01:39:50.000 You're looking for those Cameron Haynes, those Joe Rogan, those people who are like just different.

01:39:54.000 People who understand what the fuck you're saying because a lot of things I have to say, I can't say them all.

01:40:00.000 I can't say them all.

01:40:01.000 You may not understand them.

01:40:03.000 So I had to really find a way to communicate with people so they don't think, oh my God, what?

01:40:08.000 What did you just say?

01:40:09.000 So these Cameron Haynes, these Joe Rogan, these people get it.

01:40:12.000 So I go in those little nucleus spots, get a little more strength, get a little more knowledge, get a little more tools.

01:40:19.000 Take those tools with me, put them in my tool shed, and I go off down the road on a new journey.

01:40:26.000 So, that's what I do.

01:40:28.000 Well, the proof is in the pudding if you're really doing woodland firefighting, because there's no glory in that.

01:40:33.000 No, sir.

01:40:34.000 No, there's no fame.

01:40:35.000 There's no one taking pictures of you.

01:40:38.000 No, and that paycheck is small, son.

01:40:43.000 Should I eat today?

01:40:45.000 Yeah.

01:40:46.000 Wow.

01:40:47.000 Yeah.

01:40:47.000 There's nothing involved in that, man.

01:40:49.000 They worked their ass off.

01:40:51.000 But you're just doing it as a challenge.

01:40:53.000 That's it.

01:40:53.000 Do they freak out when you're there?

01:40:55.000 You know what?

01:40:56.000 I think they're wondering, why is a 43-year-old retired man, you know, all the stuff you've done, why are you out here?

01:41:03.000 And I explain it to them why I'm out here.

01:41:05.000 I'm out here to learn from you all, to grow, and also to never forget where I came from.

01:41:12.000 You know, that's where it starts.

01:41:15.000 It's that mentality of I'm going to pick up that fucking Pulaski and I'm going to dig this fucking fire line for three damn miles.

01:41:22.000 That's that mentality I never want to lose.

01:41:25.000 I never want to get so nice with it.

01:41:27.000 Oh, yeah, I did it, man.

01:41:30.000 I did it.

01:41:31.000 I did it.

01:41:32.000 I'm good.

01:41:33.000 That mentality of I'm willing to pick up that shovel and I'm willing to dig a three-mile line, there's something about that mentality that I'm ready to go to work at any time.

01:41:42.000 And that's what keeps me, those are the sparks.

01:41:45.000 Like, you know, I look at motivation as just a spark.

01:41:47.000 It's like kindling.

01:41:49.000 You know, how a big fire starts, it starts with a little smoke.

01:41:52.000 It starts with a little cigarette being thrown in the woods.

01:41:55.000 Next thing you know, all Californians fucking burn up.

01:41:58.000 That's what I've been doing my whole life is I find these little sparks.

01:42:02.000 And once that little thing takes off, that's a one-hour fuel.

01:42:05.000 Then you got a 10-hour fuel.

01:42:07.000 Then you can move that thing to a 10,000-hour fuel.

01:42:12.000 These big logs and big trees that burn for days.

01:42:14.000 And that's where you want to bring that motivation.

01:42:17.000 That's where you want to bring that drive.

01:42:18.000 So if you have no kingling, the kingling is me going out with these young guys saying, all right, motherfucker, you're 43. It's a 20-year-old.

01:42:25.000 Keep up with them.

01:42:27.000 That kingling now, when I leave those young guys, it has now become that 10-hour fuel.

01:42:33.000 And now that 10,000-hour fuel that I use throughout my whole life.

01:42:37.000 I use that throughout my whole life.

01:42:38.000 Man, hey, this summer at 43, you went out there and you did that, man.

01:42:41.000 So, you know, you're not giving up yet.

01:42:43.000 You're not done yet.

01:42:44.000 Not today.

01:42:45.000 You're not done today.

01:42:46.000 That's a crazy choice to make, though.

01:42:48.000 Woodland Firefighter is a very interesting choice.

01:42:50.000 It is.

01:42:51.000 It is.

01:42:51.000 It's a nasty job, man.

01:42:53.000 Because, again, that's proof of concept.

01:42:56.000 Like you're really just doing just for the struggle.

01:43:00.000 That's it.

01:43:01.000 Is there other things you considered like that?

01:43:04.000 So I will, I applied for smoke jumping this year.

01:43:07.000 So I'll be out smoke jumping this year, you know, God willing.

01:43:13.000 That's where it's at now.

01:43:14.000 That right now is my next military.

01:43:17.000 That's my next military.

01:43:19.000 And that's, it's always about human growth.

01:43:21.000 It's not about money.

01:43:23.000 Not about money.

01:43:24.000 Human growth.

01:43:25.000 That's the biggest, like I said, my biggest trophy.

01:43:27.000 That's why I turned down $300,000.

01:43:29.000 The biggest trophy in life is what I've learned.

01:43:31.000 Like this brain, if I could put this brain in somebody's head and say, here you go, Merry Christmas, they'd be a happy person.

01:43:37.000 What I found out is that with no crowds, no one cheering for you, no races, no finish line, it's an amazing, amazing thing I've learned in my mind by no one cheering you on.

01:43:50.000 Like what that is, is every morning I do what I do, I don't have a trainer waking me up.

01:43:57.000 There's no one saying, David, you have to do this.

01:44:00.000 I don't have to do anything anymore.

01:44:02.000 I've done it.

01:44:03.000 That's the beauty of all this.

01:44:05.000 Knowing that everything I talk about, no one even knows what the fuck I'm doing every day.

01:44:10.000 And I know that I am grinding like a motherfucker.

01:44:14.000 They see a one minute video of me running or some bullshit.

01:44:17.000 Hopefully it motivates you.

01:44:19.000 Merry Christmas.

01:44:20.000 Dude, I'm out there for fucking hours every fucking day and no one sees what the fuck I'm doing.

01:44:28.000 No one.

01:44:28.000 It's a great, beautiful thing, man.

01:44:31.000 That is the beautiful thing about it, right?

01:44:33.000 That you really are just doing it for the benefits of it.

01:44:36.000 That's it.

01:44:36.000 That you have to do it that way.

01:44:38.000 It's not for show.

01:44:39.000 Like, there's a lot of people, like, you'll see, they have, like, a little video they do on Instagram.

01:44:43.000 Like, bitch, you are not doing that for very long.

01:44:45.000 You're going too fast.

01:44:46.000 That's it.

01:44:47.000 That's it.

01:44:47.000 This is not real.

01:44:48.000 I got my one minute on.

01:44:49.000 Yeah.

01:44:51.000 Tape now!

01:44:52.000 Yeah.

01:44:53.000 Yeah.

01:44:54.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:44:55.000 So much of it is for show.

01:44:57.000 I do enjoy those videos that you're doing on Instagram, though.

01:45:01.000 I appreciate it.

01:45:01.000 Where you're giving these little motivational things.

01:45:03.000 I put some of them up on my page.

01:45:04.000 I appreciate you, man.

01:45:05.000 I reposted it.

01:45:06.000 Those are great, man.

01:45:08.000 Do you just get a thought in your head while you're out there running and you just want to get it down?

01:45:15.000 Yeah, so what I'll do is my fiancee does all these videos, man.

01:45:18.000 So God bless you.

01:45:19.000 Sometimes it'll be 3 o'clock in the fucking morning.

01:45:21.000 And I'll be working out.

01:45:23.000 And I say, hey, wake the fuck up.

01:45:24.000 I got some shit.

01:45:25.000 And she's like, what?

01:45:26.000 I go, hey, man, it came to me, man.

01:45:28.000 I got some shit for these people, man.

01:45:29.000 So that's what happens.

01:45:30.000 Usually when I'm working out, I get this great inspiration.

01:45:35.000 Some people might think it's bullshit, but my mind works best under extreme pain and suffering.

01:45:41.000 I'm like, God, I want to be out here.

01:45:43.000 And that's when I'm going deep into the cellar of my mind.

01:45:46.000 And that's when all that gargoyle shit starts to come up, man.

01:45:48.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:45:50.000 And so she gets called out all the time, like, hey, I'll run home and say, hey, get the car, meet me at 17th Street, because by that time, I have all my shit together.

01:46:02.000 So that's how this happens, man.

01:46:03.000 It's not like a rehearsed thing.

01:46:04.000 That's why sometimes I may post on Monday.

01:46:06.000 Usually it's like every Monday, but sometimes it's Tuesday, sometimes it's Thursday.

01:46:11.000 And that's what I do.

01:46:12.000 I'm trying to now give back to people in a way that's real and authentic and just being me.

01:46:18.000 What has the response been like?

01:46:20.000 After you did the podcast the first time, what was the response like?

01:46:23.000 And what was the response like on social media?

01:46:25.000 Well, what's crazy, man, is that you are my usher, and I'm fucking Bieber.

01:46:29.000 That's the fucking response, man.

01:46:31.000 So your crowd, for some reason, they resonate with me, they understand, they get me, and they love the message.

01:46:43.000 So if you put some bullshit up on my site, I block and delete your ass.

01:46:48.000 This ain't a playground.

01:46:49.000 Like my site, I'm not fucking around with you motherfuckers.

01:46:53.000 I want to give you some tools that I learned.

01:46:55.000 If you want to take them, take them.

01:46:56.000 If not, Merry Christmas, I'll go on my merry way.

01:46:58.000 I don't care.

01:46:59.000 So if you go on there, you want to play around, and you want to, you know, what do they call it?

01:47:03.000 Those people go on site.

01:47:04.000 Troll.

01:47:05.000 Fuck.

01:47:05.000 You ain't trolling my shit.

01:47:06.000 I'm going to block your monkey ass off my shit quick.

01:47:11.000 Tell your friends, Jamie.

01:47:12.000 Yeah, tell them.

01:47:13.000 So I've developed like a small community of people who can go in there and it's not just me talking.

01:47:18.000 So people have now joined in and I've seen people lose 150 pounds on my site, man.

01:47:24.000 And they're writing about it and they're starting to break themselves down like I broke myself down.

01:47:30.000 It's like, hey, I went through this.

01:47:31.000 I went through this divorce and this happened and I tried to kill myself.

01:47:34.000 It gets raw.

01:47:36.000 And then people are now going on and commenting on their shit saying, hey, keep it up.

01:47:41.000 Do what you're doing.

01:47:42.000 It's become like a big fucking like, hey, it's a community of people trying to fucking get better.

01:47:47.000 And that's what it's about, man.

01:47:49.000 This ain't about the David Goggins fucking show.

01:47:52.000 No, man.

01:47:53.000 I'm Mr. Kingling.

01:47:54.000 You motherfuckers take this shit and let this shit burn.

01:47:57.000 Also, you probably need all these other people out there grinding, too, for fuel.

01:48:02.000 Oh, man.

01:48:02.000 You want to know.

01:48:03.000 That's the thing now.

01:48:04.000 People go, what motivates you now?

01:48:06.000 What motivates me now is that there's over 600-some-odd thousand people looking at me saying, motherfucking Goggins is somewhere out there.

01:48:15.000 He's somewhere out there fucking getting after it.

01:48:18.000 And I am.

01:48:19.000 So you ain't never fucking alone.

01:48:21.000 I'm out there somewhere.

01:48:23.000 600-some thousand people, there's a chance that when you're working out, I don't care if you're in fucking Washington, D.C. and I'm in Nashville, there's a good chance at the same time we're getting after it.

01:48:32.000 And I want people to know that.

01:48:33.000 And it's the real deal.

01:48:34.000 We are getting after it together.

01:48:36.000 Not no, like, happy family shit, but we're getting after it.

01:48:41.000 Yeah, well that's giant for people, man.

01:48:44.000 The sense of community and to know that there's like-minded folks out there that are also trying to improve.

01:48:49.000 They're trying to overcome their own demons, get past their own bullshit, squash their own weaknesses, callous up their own minds.

01:48:56.000 I love that.

01:48:57.000 It's not time for some soft shit.

01:48:59.000 It's not time for soft shit, man.

01:49:01.000 This isn't a fucking playground.

01:49:02.000 Don't come on my Instagram, Facebook, or Twitter talking some bullshit.

01:49:07.000 Come on.

01:49:07.000 If you want to join the community and get hard and see what you're about, don't talk about rest.

01:49:13.000 You know, how do you do it?

01:49:15.000 No.

01:49:15.000 Let's fucking stop thinking so much and let's put the shoes on and get grinding.

01:49:20.000 You do get some of that, though.

01:49:21.000 There's some comments that say, you know, this is terrible advice.

01:49:24.000 Rest and recovery is the most important thing.

01:49:26.000 Oh, my God.

01:49:27.000 Block!

01:49:31.000 Delete!

01:49:31.000 You ain't on my shit, son!

01:49:33.000 You're not gonna last!

01:49:34.000 Not on my site!

01:49:35.000 I wanna hear that shit!

01:49:37.000 There's a lot of people looking for built-in excuses.

01:49:39.000 They are, man.

01:49:40.000 They are.

01:49:41.000 They're looking for it.

01:49:42.000 But then there's a lot of people also that are just really interested in...

01:49:46.000 Personal growth.

01:49:48.000 They're interested in really finding out what they're made of.

01:49:50.000 They're interested in improving their ability to toughen up and to discipline themselves.

01:49:55.000 And they're looking for people like you and other people to just add to that momentum.

01:49:59.000 Once you get going, it's easier to keep going.

01:50:02.000 That's it, man.

01:50:03.000 Once you get going, it's easier to keep showing up.

01:50:05.000 It is.

01:50:06.000 It is.

01:50:06.000 You have to get past that hurdle.

01:50:08.000 Yeah.

01:50:08.000 And once you get past it, man, you're flying.

01:50:10.000 And then you see other people that are doing it, too, and you realize this is a movement.

01:50:13.000 There's a lot of other people out there.

01:50:15.000 It is a movement.

01:50:16.000 Yeah.

01:50:17.000 It is a movement.

01:50:17.000 Well, that's the thing that resonates with you, I think, about the audience of this podcast that I've had quite a few people on that have that same message and it resonates with people because we're all trying to improve ourselves.

01:50:28.000 No one's perfect.

01:50:29.000 Nope.

01:50:29.000 I'm not perfect now.

01:50:31.000 I never will be.

01:50:32.000 You're not and you never will be, but you're better than you were yesterday and you're going to be better tomorrow.

01:50:37.000 That's the truth thing right there, man.

01:50:38.000 And that's what that book says.

01:50:39.000 I am not fucking perfect, man.

01:50:41.000 I had the balls to now finally tell you all, I am very flawed.

01:50:45.000 But in that saying that you're very flawed and saying that you're very perfect, you exhibit way more strength than someone who bullshits and pretends.

01:50:52.000 Right.

01:50:52.000 Someone who puts up some fake ass fucking fake facade of perfection, of moral integrity and growth and honesty.

01:51:01.000 And those people are a real problem.

01:51:03.000 It's exhausting.

01:51:04.000 It's exhausting.

01:51:05.000 I did it for a while.

01:51:07.000 I'm like, I can't.

01:51:08.000 Hey, I'm fucked up.

01:51:09.000 I give up.

01:51:11.000 I quit.

01:51:12.000 I quit.

01:51:12.000 I'm fucked up.

01:51:13.000 I'm going to tell you all, I can't live this anymore.

01:51:15.000 This is who I am.

01:51:16.000 But the confidence of you of constantly grinding and constantly putting in that work is what leads you to be able to express yourself so honestly.

01:51:23.000 You're right.

01:51:24.000 I, for the first time, believe in David Goggins.

01:51:27.000 And I don't care who else believes in me.

01:51:29.000 I don't care.

01:51:30.000 For the first time in my life, man, I can tell you all my fucked up shit.

01:51:33.000 Without lying.

01:51:34.000 That's powerful.

01:51:35.000 No longer care.

01:51:37.000 That's powerful.

01:51:38.000 See, everybody could get to that.

01:51:40.000 Then you don't have any excuses because you don't need any.

01:51:42.000 That's right.

01:51:43.000 You don't need any.

01:51:44.000 None.

01:51:45.000 You don't like me?

01:51:46.000 Merry Christmas.

01:51:48.000 Shit.

01:51:49.000 Kwanzaa.

01:51:50.000 Keep moving.

01:51:51.000 Yeah, that's it.

01:51:51.000 Go.

01:51:52.000 Yeah.

01:51:52.000 That's it.

01:51:53.000 Good luck to you.

01:51:54.000 Keep moving.

01:51:54.000 Exactly.

01:51:55.000 Yeah, we're all in this thing together.

01:51:57.000 Yeah, but you got your own path.

01:51:59.000 You're the one who has to stare at those shoes for 30 minutes.

01:52:01.000 Every day.

01:52:04.000 That's so true, man.

01:52:05.000 That's so true.

01:52:07.000 So fire jumping and woodland firefighting.

01:52:10.000 I didn't expect that.

01:52:11.000 I didn't hear that coming.

01:52:12.000 Yeah.

01:52:12.000 That's interesting, man.

01:52:14.000 Yep.

01:52:14.000 And did you have any other options that you were looking at before you dived into those?

01:52:18.000 You know what?

01:52:19.000 Those are the first that came up because I saw how hard it was.

01:52:21.000 You know, like at 43 in these jobs, like in the military, you're a dinosaur, time to retire.

01:52:28.000 And wildland firefighting, you know, you start to move into these desk jobs.

01:52:31.000 And that was the challenge of it.

01:52:33.000 I'm like a fucking rookie at 43. So I'm being talked like a little bitch.

01:52:38.000 So it takes a lot for me.

01:52:40.000 I've done some things, man.

01:52:42.000 Hang on now.

01:52:43.000 But I have to now humble myself again.

01:52:46.000 Right.

01:52:47.000 It's hard to humble yourself.

01:52:48.000 You got some 21-year-old little punk-ass bitch saying, hey, pick up that shit and come on.

01:52:52.000 I'm like, what the fuck did you say?

01:52:54.000 I'm like, okay, Goggins.

01:52:56.000 You're a rookie, man.

01:52:57.000 So that's all the training behind the mindset of it all.

01:52:59.000 Right.

01:53:00.000 Is that you can't ever be the point where you never learn from people.

01:53:04.000 Right.

01:53:05.000 You have to always humble yourself and go back to that.

01:53:07.000 Yeah, you know, like right now, there's people listening to this podcast.

01:53:10.000 Like, oh, yeah, you're great, Goggins.

01:53:11.000 No, you ain't shit, Goggins.

01:53:13.000 And that's the mindset I always want to have.

01:53:15.000 Not like I'm not proud of myself, but you have to always keep that, like, I want to keep that dog in me.

01:53:21.000 And I can't always know everything.

01:53:24.000 Yeah, well, being a beginner at something is fantastic for everything.

01:53:27.000 It's amazing.

01:53:27.000 Learning new things is fantastic for everything else.

01:53:30.000 So much growth in that.

01:53:31.000 Do you fuck around with martial arts?

01:53:34.000 You know what?

01:53:35.000 I learned a little bit.

01:53:37.000 I've never gotten crazy in it.

01:53:39.000 I've never gotten crazy.

01:53:39.000 I boxed a little bit.

01:53:41.000 Where do you live?

01:53:41.000 I live in Nashville.

01:53:43.000 There's a lot of jiu-jitsu in Nashville.

01:53:44.000 You should get involved in jiu-jitsu.

01:53:46.000 You would take to it like a duck to water.

01:53:48.000 I'll find you a spot.

01:53:48.000 Yeah, hook me up.

01:53:50.000 I'll find you a spot.

01:53:51.000 You'd get obsessed with that shit.

01:53:52.000 Oh, God.

01:53:53.000 Yeah, that's a never-ending pile of fucking tangled bodies and strangled people.

01:54:00.000 Here we go.

01:54:00.000 Because it's something that you just get better at all the time, and there's no hiding.

01:54:05.000 Either you get choked or you don't.

01:54:07.000 Either you survive or you don't.

01:54:08.000 I've been in a lot of ground.

01:54:09.000 I've been in a lot of ground gangs, man, but I've never really learned the skill sets.

01:54:13.000 Yeah.

01:54:14.000 So it'd be nice to do that.

01:54:15.000 I'll hook it up.

01:54:16.000 Yeah, please do.

01:54:16.000 I think you would get obsessed with it the same way Jocko's obsessed with it, the same way a lot of other SEALs get obsessed with martial arts.

01:54:23.000 It would be nice to do it.

01:54:24.000 Because it's also constant competition as well.

01:54:27.000 I mean, you can get into competition every single night of the week.

01:54:30.000 Really?

01:54:30.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:54:32.000 And as a guy who's just starting out, you're going to be a white belt.

01:54:35.000 You're going to get strangled a lot.

01:54:37.000 Get choked the fuck out.

01:54:38.000 You want to start from the beginning?

01:54:40.000 You're going to start from the beginning 100%.

01:54:42.000 I like that.

01:54:42.000 There's plenty of guys your size.

01:54:44.000 There's plenty of guys that have been doing it for fucking decades.

01:54:47.000 I know a lot of guys like to get their hands on me, so I'll be good.

01:54:49.000 Yeah.

01:54:50.000 Oh, Goggins, you're coming, huh?

01:54:51.000 Okay.

01:54:52.000 Okay.

01:54:53.000 But it's also a good thing to have the kind of cardio and endurance you have, too.

01:54:56.000 Yeah, that's where I get people at.

01:54:58.000 So I've rolled with a lot of guys who have skills, but the thing that I really have, and I'm not going to brag on it, man, is I got a fucked up cardio base, man.

01:55:08.000 I got a fucked up cardio base, man, and my mentality is kind of fucked up, too.

01:55:13.000 So I realized that with fighting, that if you got a big cardio base and your mindset's fucked up, too, Cardio is almost everything.

01:55:21.000 That's what I know.

01:55:23.000 Skills are everything because a lot of guys with skills also have some cardio.

01:55:26.000 They have enough to fuck you up.

01:55:28.000 Right.

01:55:28.000 But to have tremendous cardio with big skills is everything.

01:55:32.000 I see him out there, man.

01:55:34.000 It's everything.

01:55:34.000 Dying.

01:55:34.000 Yeah, because so many guys start at 100%, but three minutes into the fight, they're at 80. Right.

01:55:40.000 You know, five minutes into the fight, they're at 60. That's right.

01:55:42.000 And then they recover for a minute, they come back.

01:55:44.000 But if you're in like a rolling session, like when you roll, you roll for nine minutes straight.

01:55:50.000 Sure.

01:55:51.000 So you and this guy, and most of the time, there's multiple taps.

01:55:55.000 You'll tap him, he'll tap you, you tap each other.

01:55:58.000 But nine minutes, man, it is exhausting.

01:56:00.000 When that bell goes off, the last, you know, the bell for 30 seconds, and you got 30 seconds left in nine minutes, and then, ding, ding, it's over.

01:56:09.000 You're like...

01:56:10.000 Fuck.

01:56:10.000 You're done.

01:56:11.000 And then you take a minute off and you find a new partner.

01:56:13.000 That's good shit.

01:56:14.000 You get back in there.

01:56:15.000 You'd love it.

01:56:16.000 It sounds like a good grind.

01:56:17.000 Yeah.

01:56:17.000 That's the next grind right there.

01:56:18.000 You'd love it.

01:56:19.000 Yeah.

01:56:19.000 Get your black belt.

01:56:20.000 Hey, so long does that take about if I went like this hard at it?

01:56:25.000 It's hard to say, because it depends entirely upon how much emphasis you put on learning new techniques and rolling and drilling.

01:56:33.000 Drilling is gigantic, and that's the thing that people don't like to do, because jujitsu is so fun, people like to just roll.

01:56:39.000 Right.

01:56:39.000 Because sparring is where it's at.

01:56:41.000 Like, ah, I don't want to do all this practice.

01:56:43.000 I want to choke people.

01:56:44.000 Right.

01:56:44.000 Like, I knew a few things.

01:56:45.000 Like, do that?

01:56:46.000 Okay.

01:56:46.000 And then I do this.

01:56:47.000 Okay.

01:56:48.000 Let me get in there.

01:56:50.000 It's like a lot of jiu-jitsu schools, they'll start out with one or two techniques, and then you roll.

01:56:55.000 Most of the class is just sparring.

01:56:57.000 But the right way to do it really is to drill way more than you spar.

01:57:01.000 You should be drilling all the time, and live drilling too.

01:57:05.000 Like you start out where a guy has your back ready, go!

01:57:08.000 And then from there, you've got to try to escape and do the right thing to try to use the right technique to get out of that position.

01:57:14.000 Or you'll start out...

01:57:16.000 With an arm bar, but he's defending, and you've got to figure out how to extend it.

01:57:21.000 Those live drills, straight drills, like technique drills, and then live drills are, I think, even more important in the beginning to your personal development and growth as a jiu-jitsu player than even sparring.

01:57:34.000 But a guy like you, who's smart and tough and will go crazy, shit.

01:57:40.000 It shouldn't take that long.

01:57:41.000 It depends on how much you dedicate yourself to it.

01:57:44.000 B.J. Penn got his black belt in three years.

01:57:46.000 What?

01:57:47.000 Yeah, but it's crazy.

01:57:48.000 He's B.J. Penn.

01:57:49.000 They call him the prodigy for a reason.

01:57:52.000 I had a conversation with him about it, though.

01:57:54.000 It was really interesting once.

01:57:56.000 He goes, he was talking to some other dude, and the guy said, I got my black belt at three years just like you did, BJ. And he's like, wow, man.

01:58:05.000 He goes, you must be good.

01:58:06.000 He goes, no, man.

01:58:07.000 He goes, I'm addicted, just like you.

01:58:09.000 He goes, you were addicted.

01:58:10.000 You're addicted.

01:58:11.000 And he's like, I never thought about it that way.

01:58:13.000 He goes, yeah, I'm addicted to jujitsu.

01:58:15.000 It's like you're addicted.

01:58:16.000 Like, it takes over your mind.

01:58:18.000 Right.

01:58:18.000 It's everything.

01:58:19.000 Your days are spent thinking about some guy who triangled you.

01:58:22.000 This motherfucker.

01:58:23.000 How'd he get me?

01:58:24.000 Shit!

01:58:25.000 Like, I get that.

01:58:26.000 Dude, I got choked out ten years ago that I think about sometimes when I'm lifting.

01:58:29.000 I'll be tired and I'll think about a guy who caught me ten years ago and I'm like, FUCK! That's what's great about life, man.

01:58:36.000 I think about not being choked out, but I think about a lot of shit like that.

01:58:41.000 Yeah, little failures that just keep you pushing.

01:58:43.000 They grind on me like a motherfucker, man.

01:58:45.000 And that's what you were talking about earlier, too.

01:58:47.000 It's like the mind has these reserves.

01:58:49.000 You can trick it and pull them out.

01:58:51.000 These inspirational reserves like you did.

01:58:54.000 When you guys were going through buds.

01:58:56.000 Yes.

01:58:57.000 We just found that trigger and then all of a sudden you're throwing that boat in the air.

01:59:00.000 The mind always has the tactical advantage over you.

01:59:04.000 Why is that?

01:59:05.000 It knows your fears.

01:59:06.000 It knows your insecurities.

01:59:08.000 It knows where they're hiding.

01:59:09.000 You can't hide.

01:59:10.000 You can't hide from that motherfucker, man.

01:59:12.000 That motherfucker has a tactical advantage on you, son.

01:59:15.000 It's going to get you, man.

01:59:17.000 It's a beast.

01:59:18.000 That might be your best lesson, right?

01:59:20.000 That your mind knows everything.

01:59:23.000 You cannot hide from it, so don't ever try.

01:59:25.000 Don't try.

01:59:25.000 You might as well go ahead and beat that motherfucker up.

01:59:28.000 You got to keep going at it.

01:59:28.000 That's also what you did in this book.

01:59:30.000 You didn't try to paint yourself in a glamorous or flattering way at any point in time.

01:59:36.000 You were honest at every step of the way, which I think is just gigantic for people, too, because You can tell when someone's stroking themselves or bullshitting themselves, and the message just won't come through.

01:59:48.000 But you come through in this book.

01:59:51.000 Who you are and what you became and how you became who you are and who you used to be and why you were the way you used to be.

01:59:58.000 All that comes through.

02:00:00.000 There's no filter.

02:00:01.000 This is just your thoughts.

02:00:04.000 What you remember about your life and what you think about right now just all comes out onto the pages.

02:00:10.000 Hardest thing I've done in my entire life.

02:00:12.000 I'm imagining.

02:00:13.000 I have fucking...

02:00:14.000 I don't know how many people will buy this book.

02:00:16.000 Then I walk up to people.

02:00:18.000 People walk up to me.

02:00:18.000 I'm like, what are you thinking about, motherfucker?

02:00:21.000 Are you thinking about me peeing in the bed?

02:00:24.000 You fucking ass.

02:00:27.000 What are you thinking about?

02:00:29.000 That's hilarious.

02:00:30.000 I know, right?

02:00:32.000 What are you thinking about, man?

02:00:33.000 You open it up all.

02:00:34.000 Yeah, you know all about me.

02:00:35.000 Hey, how about you, motherfucker?

02:00:37.000 Tell me something about you.

02:00:40.000 That's what people love, right?

02:00:41.000 When they know some shit about you and you don't know nothing about them.

02:00:44.000 I know nothing about nobody.

02:00:45.000 That's anonymous trolls.

02:00:46.000 That's it, man.

02:00:47.000 And they get at me.

02:00:48.000 They come.

02:00:49.000 Oh, there's a lot of those.

02:00:50.000 But they're all doing that to themselves.

02:00:52.000 They don't even understand.

02:00:53.000 When you do that, you're doing it to yourself.

02:00:55.000 Right.

02:00:56.000 If you are attacking someone because you know that they have a weakness, but you're pretending you don't have one, you are attacking yourself.

02:01:03.000 You are chipping away at your own personal sovereignty.

02:01:06.000 So true.

02:01:07.000 You're chipping away at your own respect.

02:01:09.000 So true, man.

02:01:10.000 You can't respect yourself.

02:01:11.000 You know you're a pussy.

02:01:12.000 You're talking shit.

02:01:12.000 But that's what happened, though, Joe, to me.

02:01:14.000 I started looking at people realizing, I know something about you.

02:01:20.000 Because they don't want to talk about it.

02:01:22.000 I already know it.

02:01:24.000 If you're talking shit about me, I know you're fucked up.

02:01:28.000 That's why all these cats that come out right now who don't like me or whatever, I'm like, really, man?

02:01:32.000 That shit happened 30 fucking years ago, 15 years ago.

02:01:34.000 You're still fucked up about that?

02:01:37.000 Oh, man.

02:01:38.000 I know something about you, brother.

02:01:40.000 See, I get over everything.

02:01:41.000 I'm good.

02:01:42.000 It's water under the fucking bridge.

02:01:44.000 The grind.

02:01:45.000 The grind does that.

02:01:46.000 The grind squeezes it out.

02:01:46.000 That's it.

02:01:47.000 You're not grinding hard.

02:01:48.000 If you're worried about something that someone did to you years ago, you're being a pussy to yourself, man.

02:01:54.000 You're not getting out there and squeezing that fucking soul out every day.

02:01:58.000 Yeah.

02:01:58.000 If you grind hard, man, I ain't got time to worry about your monkey ass.

02:02:01.000 I ain't got time to worry about you, man.

02:02:03.000 Because tomorrow, I got to go back to the grind.

02:02:07.000 And tomorrow, I go back to the grind again, and again, and again, and again.

02:02:10.000 I don't have time to put you into the hate bank.

02:02:13.000 There's no hate.

02:02:14.000 It's all filtered out, man, through the grind.

02:02:16.000 People don't get it.

02:02:17.000 There's great joy in the grind.

02:02:19.000 Great joy in the suffer.

02:02:20.000 It totally cleanses your body out, man, of any kind of hate.

02:02:23.000 Makes you grow up.

02:02:25.000 It's also the being honest about it every step of the way, the way you are in this book and the way you are, the way you talk about things, and not trying to paint yourself in a flattering way.

02:02:34.000 It forces you to continue to perform.

02:02:38.000 By exposing all the shit that you used to do, by exposing your procrastination, your slips, your fallings, your falling back down and getting fat again.

02:02:48.000 All that stuff, it forces you to be consistent.

02:02:52.000 Like, you know you did it today.

02:02:54.000 You know you did it today.

02:02:55.000 Do you know you're going to be able to do it tomorrow?

02:02:56.000 Well, you have to.

02:02:57.000 That's right.

02:02:57.000 You have to know.

02:02:59.000 That's my biggest fear, man, is that I know I can slip.

02:03:03.000 Everybody goes, man, you're not permanent?

02:03:06.000 Shit.

02:03:07.000 No one's permanent.

02:03:08.000 No one's fucking permanent.

02:03:09.000 That's why people that have accomplished great things and then want to talk about those great things to the end of time and not do anything anymore.

02:03:16.000 No.

02:03:16.000 They're fucking themselves up.

02:03:17.000 That's it.

02:03:17.000 Those people that are looking for that golden age.

02:03:20.000 That's it.

02:03:20.000 They're looking for that holding hands and walking off into the sunset as the credits roll.

02:03:23.000 That doesn't exist.

02:03:25.000 It's not tattooed, man.

02:03:26.000 It's not real.

02:03:27.000 I thought it was tattooed.

02:03:28.000 I was like, fuck, I'm slipping.

02:03:29.000 I'm like, what?

02:03:30.000 I put all this repetition in and I'm still slipping?

02:03:33.000 Can't take a day off, man.

02:03:35.000 Can't take a day off, man.

02:03:40.000 No days?

02:03:41.000 Can't take a day off.

02:03:42.000 Seven days a week.

02:03:43.000 I get after, but see, the thing about, I do active recovery.

02:03:47.000 Right, okay, so what's a light, active recovery day?

02:03:50.000 You say seven miles is normal.

02:03:53.000 An easy six-mile run is an active recovery day at a low heart rate.

02:03:58.000 I look like I'm walking.

02:04:00.000 I'm out to like a fucking 9, 30, 10-minute mile.

02:04:03.000 Heart rate's real low.

02:04:04.000 I'm really big into the heart rate training, man.

02:04:07.000 It's amazing.

02:04:08.000 So it makes you a machine.

02:04:10.000 It makes you a machine, man.

02:04:11.000 How so?

02:04:12.000 What?

02:04:13.000 It trains your heart in a way that the way I was able to run these 100-mile races like I was able to do it was off of heart rate.

02:04:20.000 So if you go at 80%, for me, for the longest time, it was like 147 heart rate, 148 to 152, right around in there.

02:04:29.000 If I maintain that, man, I'm burning that nice fat storage.

02:04:35.000 And that body wants to utilize that.

02:04:38.000 And it wants to burn that nice and slow.

02:04:40.000 And you're never getting that heart rate up real high.

02:04:42.000 If you get the heart rate up real high, it takes a lot to recover from that.

02:04:44.000 And the higher it goes, the longer it takes for it to come down.

02:04:47.000 When I stay at a 145, 146, 147 heart rate for a long time, when I get done running, it will go back under 100 within two or three minutes.

02:04:56.000 And that's what you want.

02:04:57.000 You want that quick recovery.

02:04:59.000 So a quick recovery means that your body's right on point.

02:05:01.000 And I look at my heart rate in the morning time, it's usually in the 30s.

02:05:05.000 If it's like 45, 46, 47, I'm overtrained.

02:05:08.000 Easy day.

02:05:10.000 Easy day means zone one.

02:05:11.000 Zone one means I'm just going real light today.

02:05:14.000 So I train every day because why?

02:05:16.000 As my mind and as a human, we're supposed to move.

02:05:20.000 Every day is supposed to move.

02:05:22.000 And I'm not saying get after it every day.

02:05:24.000 Get after it means just do something every day.

02:05:26.000 Right.

02:05:27.000 Ride a bike.

02:05:28.000 Like, if you're real tired from working out hard, ride an easy bike.

02:05:31.000 Spin.

02:05:32.000 And as you're spinning, take in your fluids.

02:05:35.000 Rehydrate your body as you're acting.

02:05:37.000 Because that's the best way to rehydrate your body.

02:05:39.000 And like, taking a carbohydrate drink...

02:05:43.000 It gets all that good carbs.

02:05:45.000 You start to glycogen store your body again for the next day.

02:05:48.000 So as you're doing active stuff, that blood's flowing.

02:05:51.000 Nice active blood flow helps the recovery process.

02:05:56.000 Along with drinking some like endurance drink or some carbohydrate drink, it gets all that glycogen through the system back to the muscles, loads them back up again, ready to fight another war tomorrow.

02:06:08.000 What do you use for a heart rate monitor?

02:06:10.000 I usually use Polar for a long time.

02:06:14.000 I kind of still use Polar now.

02:06:16.000 Is it a wrist one or a chest strap?

02:06:17.000 It's a chest strap.

02:06:18.000 It's a nice cheap little chest strap.

02:06:20.000 And now I'm at a point now where I know I only do my heart rate in the morning time.

02:06:25.000 I don't even wear it when I run anymore.

02:06:26.000 Do you check it with the strap in the morning?

02:06:28.000 Yeah, I check it with your finger.

02:06:30.000 Check it with the strap.

02:06:30.000 So you wake up, you just put the strap on?

02:06:32.000 Before you get out of bed, put the strap on your body.

02:06:34.000 The first thing you do, put the strap on or do your finger, whatever one you can do.

02:06:40.000 If you don't have a strap, do your finger.

02:06:42.000 Know what your average heart rate is, your resting heart rate.

02:06:45.000 And then from there, if it's a little bit high, a little elevated, you can't go off into that zone three, zone four training day.

02:06:51.000 You got to keep it at zone two or zone one.

02:06:54.000 So it's all about the heart rate, the resting heart rate.

02:06:56.000 So when you use it, the chest strap, does it register on an application, on a phone?

02:07:02.000 Like how do you read it?

02:07:03.000 On the watch.

02:07:03.000 On a watch.

02:07:04.000 Is it a smart watch or is it a polar watch?

02:07:06.000 It's a polar watch.

02:07:07.000 So it's a watch that shows you the heart rate that's reading off of the strap.

02:07:10.000 Exactly.

02:07:11.000 That's all it does.

02:07:12.000 And so when you say zone ones, these are the things that you've created?

02:07:15.000 Zone ones onto the...

02:07:16.000 No, these are like zones that, you know, whoever created this, like the heart rate zone training.

02:07:22.000 So basically what I did and what's helped me out so much is my zone two training runs used to be 830. Okay, so that was my pace at like a 145. 830 mile?

02:07:34.000 Yep, 830 mile.

02:07:37.000 Through stretching and getting my body opened up, My zone 2 run now is about a 721, 718, 719. So you kind of meant it off just by opening up your range of motion.

02:07:49.000 Just by opening up my range of motion.

02:07:50.000 Wow.

02:07:51.000 At the same exact heart rate.

02:07:53.000 So my stride, if people look at videos of me like years ago when I was first doing my first Badwater, look, I was scooting.

02:08:00.000 It was so tight.

02:08:01.000 I looked like I was this very rigid runner.

02:08:04.000 Now I actually run.

02:08:06.000 Everything was so tight.

02:08:07.000 Everything was forming in.

02:08:09.000 I was like my knees and my joints just going inward.

02:08:13.000 Now everything's where it needs to be at and I have a nice long, nice stride.

02:08:18.000 Do you run on the street for the most part?

02:08:20.000 For the most part because I'm always traveling.

02:08:22.000 So the best thing you do, you get your running shoes, you get your shit, you just go out and run.

02:08:26.000 But I try to hit the trails, you know, some dirt as much as possible.

02:08:29.000 Yeah.

02:08:30.000 So it's really good for your body.

02:08:31.000 But now my body is like fucking...

02:08:32.000 It's like fucking...

02:08:33.000 Like iron.

02:08:35.000 I mean, it can take some beating.

02:08:37.000 Now, when you run, have you ever fucked with those barefoot running shoes or minimalist?

02:08:42.000 Hell no.

02:08:43.000 Hell no.

02:08:44.000 Hell no.

02:08:45.000 You know what?

02:08:45.000 Like, look...

02:08:47.000 Honestly.

02:08:47.000 I don't know many people who have been...

02:08:50.000 I just don't believe in it.

02:08:52.000 I don't believe in it.

02:08:53.000 I was born with shoes, wearing shoes my whole fucking life.

02:08:57.000 I'm black, but I'm not from Africa.

02:08:59.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:09:00.000 So, I'm not down, man.

02:09:03.000 I'm not down.

02:09:03.000 Do you ever read the science behind it?

02:09:05.000 Oh, yeah.

02:09:06.000 The idea of using all the muscles in your feet?

02:09:08.000 Oh, yeah.

02:09:09.000 Yeah.

02:09:09.000 I read the science behind it.

02:09:10.000 I also read the science behind these motherfuckers having broken feet and shit.

02:09:14.000 I read that too.

02:09:15.000 But minimalist shoes on trails aren't bad.

02:09:17.000 Yeah, they're not.

02:09:18.000 I'm not doing it.

02:09:19.000 No?

02:09:20.000 No, man.

02:09:20.000 I'm going to break my...

02:09:21.000 Oh my God, man.

02:09:22.000 I run in those things all the time.

02:09:24.000 Really?

02:09:24.000 So you like them?

02:09:25.000 Yeah.

02:09:26.000 It would kill me, man.

02:09:27.000 But I tell you what, I ran in fat tires yesterday, Under Armour fat tire, which is like a cushiony-ass shoe.

02:09:33.000 You like it?

02:09:34.000 And I was like, it was so easy.

02:09:36.000 It's like those hokas, hookas, whatever?

02:09:38.000 No, no.

02:09:39.000 Under Armour has these fat tires.

02:09:41.000 It's basically like a BMX tire track.

02:09:44.000 Really?

02:09:44.000 I think it's even made by a tire company makes the tread.

02:09:49.000 Yeah, man.

02:09:49.000 It's got a mush to it.

02:09:51.000 And you run on these things, man.

02:09:53.000 You can run over.

02:09:53.000 See, the thing about those five-finger barefoot shoes.

02:09:56.000 Right.

02:09:57.000 I like running those, but you've got to look where you're stepping.

02:09:59.000 You can't step on any hard rocks.

02:10:01.000 Game over.

02:10:03.000 You'll fuck up your foot.

02:10:04.000 Yeah, quick.

02:10:04.000 Because it's going to go right into your foot.

02:10:06.000 It's a tiny little thin.

02:10:08.000 So I went from those to Vivo's, Vivo barefoot shoes.

02:10:11.000 That's what it looks like.

02:10:13.000 So when you run on those pitches, that is a cushiony, glorious padding.

02:10:19.000 Like when you hit the ground, it's like smushy, smushy, smushy.

02:10:23.000 I had the other ones, Jamie, the ones with the boa.

02:10:25.000 It's because it's just got that little click one that you just pulled up.

02:10:29.000 Yeah, like those.

02:10:30.000 So it's like you twist it with that.

02:10:32.000 That's how you tighten it up with that little boa adjuster thing.

02:10:35.000 It's got a thread through it, so you don't have to lace it or anything like that.

02:10:38.000 You just slip them on and pop that sucker down.

02:10:40.000 I like to feel the ground a little bit when I run.

02:10:43.000 Yeah, you're barely feeling shit with those.

02:10:44.000 Yeah, you ain't feeling nothing.

02:10:46.000 But I like it.

02:10:47.000 It's got to be good for your joints.

02:10:49.000 My joints didn't bother me at all yesterday, which is crazy.

02:10:51.000 Like, after a good, solid run, because most of what I'm running is hills.

02:10:55.000 Right.

02:10:55.000 Like, pretty steep.

02:10:56.000 And it's great.

02:10:57.000 My ass and legs have never been bigger.

02:10:59.000 What do you weigh right now?

02:11:00.000 200. Yeah, you're a thick dude, man.

02:11:02.000 Yeah.

02:11:02.000 So, for me, the pounding of the, you know, the constant pounding with the feet to the ground, it's rough on the ankles, it's rough on, you know, the joints, but I don't feel it at all with those fat tires.

02:11:15.000 It was smooshy.

02:11:16.000 Like, I got done running.

02:11:17.000 I felt like I cheated.

02:11:19.000 I did.

02:11:20.000 I felt like, wow, this is so much easier.

02:11:22.000 The cloud shoes.

02:11:24.000 Yeah, this just real cushioning.

02:11:26.000 Cam's always said that.

02:11:27.000 He runs with those a lot.

02:11:28.000 Oh, does he?

02:11:29.000 Yeah, he's run with a bunch of those.

02:11:31.000 He's like, because he runs so many fucking miles.

02:11:33.000 He was running a marathon a day, like pretty much every day.

02:11:36.000 I did that for a while.

02:11:38.000 Bad, bad, bad.

02:11:41.000 My God, I got wired in doing that shit, man.

02:11:44.000 What is this right here?

02:11:46.000 This is when I ran a 150-mile trail race.

02:11:53.000 So the year before, I did the same race.

02:11:55.000 It's a 150-mile trail race.

02:11:57.000 I did it in, I think, around 40 hours.

02:11:59.000 And I had to walk the last 60 miles.

02:12:02.000 I had pneumonia.

02:12:04.000 Here we go.

02:12:06.000 And then I told the race director, Hey, motherfucker, I'm coming back here next year, and I'm breaking the course record.

02:12:13.000 I went back and did like 32 hours.

02:12:15.000 Wow.

02:12:16.000 Same race.

02:12:18.000 Wow.

02:12:22.000 33 hours.

02:12:23.000 So when you're running, what shoes do you use?

02:12:26.000 Right now, I'm wearing Brooks, and I also wear Asics.

02:12:29.000 So it just depends on, you know, what kind of train I'm in, where I'm at, stuff like that.

02:12:34.000 Like for trails?

02:12:35.000 Yeah.

02:12:35.000 What do you run for trails?

02:12:36.000 Actually, for the longest time, I wore a street running shoe.

02:12:41.000 Really?

02:12:41.000 For trails.

02:12:42.000 Yeah, for the longest time.

02:12:43.000 How come?

02:12:44.000 Because first of all, my body was so messed up, the only shoe I could ever wear was this Brooks addiction.

02:12:48.000 And I hate even giving Brooks credit right now, because back in the day, they wouldn't help a brother out.

02:12:54.000 I was running so many miles.

02:12:55.000 Yeah, so Brooks, I'm not promoting Brooks right now.

02:12:58.000 Yeah, Merry Christmas on that one.

02:13:00.000 I caught him up a million times.

02:13:01.000 Hey man, can I get like a discount or some shit?

02:13:03.000 Hang up, nobody, nothing.

02:13:05.000 So, but they do have a good shoe.

02:13:08.000 And I, and I, and it was not good PR. Horrible PR, man.

02:13:12.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:13:13.000 Like, you know, so, but yeah, I love their shoe.

02:13:16.000 But only sure I could wear was that Brooks Addiction.

02:13:18.000 Cause my, my biomechanics was so messed up.

02:13:20.000 I tried so many different shoes and that was a, so I can now wear a neutral shoe.

02:13:25.000 So how I used to run and very few people know this.

02:13:29.000 I used to have heel wedges, inserts, heel wedges, and get compression tape because my body was pushed so far in from being so tight in my hip flexors.

02:13:41.000 So how I got such bad stress fractures was my biomechanics.

02:13:46.000 So there's a picture of my toe in there because my toes just jammed in front of my shoes because my whole body just got bent in.

02:13:53.000 So when you're saying bent in, for people who are just listening, if your hands are flat on a table, you're turning the outside of your hands up so that your thumbs are going down.

02:14:04.000 So that's like your big toes were going down.

02:14:08.000 Were going down and into the shoe.

02:14:09.000 And the outside of your foot was up, was above it.

02:14:12.000 Right.

02:14:12.000 So what I had to do to run because I was like, God, I got stretch fractures all the time and my feet were so fucked up.

02:14:18.000 Sometimes you see that with people's shoes, like how they're worn out.

02:14:21.000 Worn out.

02:14:21.000 They're worn out on a sideways angle.

02:14:23.000 Exactly.

02:14:23.000 Like a wedge.

02:14:25.000 Right.

02:14:25.000 Like if you look at it from behind.

02:14:26.000 Crazy.

02:14:27.000 Yeah.

02:14:27.000 That was my shoe.

02:14:28.000 So I had to get a heel wedge to keep my heel from going down.

02:14:32.000 I got severe tendonitis in the back of my ankle.

02:14:35.000 So you had to make it thicker on one side just to force your foot to be flat.

02:14:40.000 Right.

02:14:40.000 So the inside, I had to push up and I had to get compression tape.

02:14:43.000 So it was compression tape, heel wedges, and an insert.

02:14:47.000 And that's how I ran every fucking day.

02:14:50.000 Did you go to a running coach or anything?

02:14:52.000 Hell no.

02:14:56.000 But didn't you want to know what you were doing wrong?

02:14:59.000 You know what, man?

02:14:59.000 That was part of that geranimal mindset, man.

02:15:01.000 I was like, fuck it, man.

02:15:02.000 I'm supposed to be broken.

02:15:04.000 But then, I got smarter as time went.

02:15:07.000 You know what, man?

02:15:07.000 This is some painful shit.

02:15:10.000 Running 100 mile races with this kind of tendonitis and my feet being fucked up.

02:15:13.000 It was so painful.

02:15:15.000 So I was like, you know what?

02:15:16.000 So then as I started stretching, I was like, my God, all this was from having a tight...

02:15:21.000 I got so massive.

02:15:22.000 My God, I was in all these different contraptions.

02:15:25.000 And now I just wear a normal running shoe.

02:15:27.000 Wow.

02:15:28.000 Yeah.

02:15:28.000 So I went from being contraptioned up, man.

02:15:31.000 Like, literally, contraption up.

02:15:33.000 So it's all just the stretching that opened up the range of motion and bounced everything out?

02:15:49.000 And you were born with the stress I was born under.

02:15:52.000 Like, I hate I can't paint a clear...

02:15:55.000 It's pretty clear in the book.

02:15:57.000 Man, my life was bad.

02:15:59.000 The stress I endured on a daily...

02:16:01.000 So I had two people.

02:16:03.000 And my body was proof of literally what my life was doing to me.

02:16:07.000 It literally was knotted all my muscles up because I was always under this fight or flight.

02:16:12.000 You know, my dad had made me so fucking scared of shit.

02:16:16.000 You know, to unwind this motherfucker, man, was like...

02:16:20.000 It was a hard task.

02:16:23.000 It was a hard task, man.

02:16:26.000 So it did a lot of damage.

02:16:27.000 So the Titan is not just all the hard training, but it's also the mind.

02:16:31.000 The mind.

02:16:31.000 Because think about it, man.

02:16:32.000 When you're under stress, that hip flexor, that psoas muscle, what's attached to your T12? That's the only muscle that attaches your lower body to your upper body.

02:16:42.000 And that's the muscle, that's your fight or flight.

02:16:45.000 Whenever you get nervous or scared or something like that, that motherfucker was tight enough.

02:16:49.000 I mean, your whole body is.

02:16:50.000 I lived in that almost fetal position in my mind for so many years.

02:16:56.000 So I was always on this like tight neck tension fucking guy.

02:17:00.000 But I walked around like I'm some cool.

02:17:03.000 Here's my new hairstyle.

02:17:05.000 Pants are sagging.

02:17:06.000 I'm a cool dude, man.

02:17:07.000 Right.

02:17:08.000 But that was not me.

02:17:09.000 Put on that costume.

02:17:09.000 The costume wore every day.

02:17:11.000 Yeah.

02:17:12.000 Got tired of wearing that motherfucker, man.

02:17:13.000 Next costume I want you to be in is a jiu-jitsu gi with a white belt on.

02:17:17.000 I'm going to send you a picture, man.

02:17:18.000 I got it.

02:17:18.000 I'm going to send you a picture.

02:17:19.000 I know you're going to because I already planted that seed.

02:17:22.000 I got it.

02:17:22.000 It's on.

02:17:22.000 I know it's bouncing around in your head right now.

02:17:24.000 It is.

02:17:25.000 I'm going to set it up.

02:17:26.000 Nashville.

02:17:27.000 I know there's some places out there.

02:17:28.000 Nashville.

02:17:29.000 Holler at me.

02:17:30.000 Trust me, they will.

02:17:32.000 I'm sure they will.

02:17:33.000 We'll find you a spot.

02:17:34.000 We'll find you a spot.

02:17:35.000 Listen, man, this book is fucking fantastic.

02:17:38.000 I'm halfway in.

02:17:39.000 I can't wait to finish it.

02:17:40.000 And just thank you.

02:17:41.000 Thank you for the inspiration.

02:17:43.000 Thank you for being so honest and expressing yourself.

02:17:46.000 I appreciate the fuck out of you, brother.

02:17:47.000 Joe, appreciate you, brother.

02:17:48.000 Thanks again.

02:17:48.000 Thank you.

02:17:49.000 Bye, everybody.

02:17:52.000 Man, thanks a lot, brother.

02:17:53.000 Thank you so much.

The Joe Rogan Experience - December 05, 2018

Joe Rogan Experience #1212 - David Goggins

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