The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1227

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00:00:07.000 What's happening, Joe?

00:00:08.000 What's up, Mike?

00:00:09.000 Tom Segura's in the house for a few minutes here to stop by to say hi.

00:00:12.000 I can't believe you've never had a cup of coffee.

00:00:14.000 Never.

00:00:15.000 You want some?

00:00:16.000 No.

00:00:17.000 That might be the most outrageous thing about you, is that you've never had coffee.

00:00:22.000 Your whole life, you've never had coffee.

00:00:25.000 Tea, never coffee.

00:00:27.000 No one ever offered you a cup of coffee?

00:00:28.000 No.

00:00:28.000 You never went to Starbucks?

00:00:30.000 No, for tea, I had some donuts.

00:00:32.000 Wow.

00:00:33.000 What about like a...

00:00:33.000 When I was in rehab, you always got to go to Starbucks, because the meeting's right outside of Starbucks.

00:00:40.000 You always hang out at Starbucks.

00:00:41.000 Right.

00:00:42.000 But never for coffee.

00:00:44.000 You didn't want to try it?

00:00:45.000 Never.

00:00:47.000 How about like girlfriends, wives, like none of them ever drank coffee at home?

00:00:52.000 I'm sure they have, but I never really.

00:00:53.000 My wife drinks it.

00:00:55.000 And you just, nothing?

00:00:56.000 No.

00:00:57.000 I'm so addicted to coffee.

00:00:59.000 All the drugs I did, you'd think coffee would be nothing.

00:01:03.000 Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

00:01:05.000 Like, it doesn't make any sense.

00:01:07.000 When did you first try any drugs?

00:01:11.000 Kid.

00:01:12.000 10 years old, 9 years old.

00:01:14.000 What kind of shit?

00:01:15.000 Smoking and drinking.

00:01:16.000 Right.

00:01:17.000 Then as I got older, I tried acid.

00:01:20.000 How old were you when you first tried acid?

00:01:21.000 Probably 11. Wow.

00:01:23.000 Yeah, really young.

00:01:24.000 Jesus, man.

00:01:25.000 Wow, that's really young.

00:01:27.000 Wow.

00:01:28.000 But when you were the champ...

00:01:31.000 When you were in your prime, when you beat Trevor Burbank, were you doing anything back then?

00:01:36.000 Drinking a lot.

00:01:37.000 Drinking a lot?

00:01:37.000 Really?

00:01:38.000 Yeah.

00:01:38.000 That's amazing.

00:01:39.000 Would you go clean for camp?

00:01:41.000 Yes, for camp.

00:01:42.000 Just for camp?

00:01:43.000 Yes, for camp.

00:01:44.000 Yeah, but outside, once a fight's over.

00:01:46.000 I'm an animal.

00:01:47.000 Wild, yeah.

00:01:48.000 You were the first guy that I ever used as an example to break that old myth that you can't have sex before fights.

00:01:56.000 And I was like, well, that's out the window.

00:01:58.000 For sure.

00:01:59.000 Because you would talk about it all the time.

00:02:01.000 Yeah, pretty much, yeah.

00:02:06.000 Your logic made sense, too.

00:02:07.000 You're like, I don't want to think about it.

00:02:09.000 I don't want to be thinking about sex.

00:02:10.000 I'll just get it out of the way.

00:02:11.000 Yeah, and it's over with.

00:02:12.000 You don't have to do it.

00:02:13.000 You refuel for the next six weeks, and you're going with your fight.

00:02:18.000 Do you think that was a myth, that it made you weak?

00:02:20.000 Yeah, I think it's a myth.

00:02:22.000 Yeah, it doesn't seem to make sense.

00:02:24.000 It seems odd, yeah.

00:02:25.000 That would inspire you more so than disintegrate you, I would think.

00:02:31.000 They said that the Olympic, you know, where the athletes stay, is just like fuckfest.

00:02:36.000 Of course.

00:02:37.000 I don't think so, yeah.

00:02:38.000 They have the boys and the girls in the same vicinity.

00:02:42.000 Also, probably want to alleviate some anxiety.

00:02:44.000 Anxiety.

00:02:45.000 Freaking out.

00:02:46.000 You're at the Olympics.

00:02:47.000 You know, you're 18 years old.

00:02:49.000 And everyone's in amazing shape.

00:02:51.000 Yeah, stressed out.

00:02:52.000 Stressed out.

00:02:53.000 Yeah.

00:02:54.000 When you were first coming up, when you were Kid Dynamite on Sports Illustrated, I'll never forget that, man.

00:03:04.000 Your era from the 80s, the late 80s, that era...

00:03:11.000 It was a big part of my youth.

00:03:14.000 You being the champ, it was a change of things.

00:03:19.000 Because when Larry Holmes was the champ as a boxing fan, I loved Larry Holmes.

00:03:25.000 There's that cover.

00:03:26.000 You were 19 years old, right?

00:03:28.000 When Larry Holmes was the champ as a boxing fan...

00:03:31.000 Wow, you still got that stuff, man?

00:03:32.000 You can still get those.

00:03:35.000 Sports Illustrated.

00:03:36.000 It's the internet.

00:03:36.000 You can find it on the internet.

00:03:37.000 That's how Jamie got it.

00:03:41.000 I had that, Sports Illustrated.

00:03:42.000 But when Larry Holmes was a champ, as a boxing fan, I appreciated him.

00:03:47.000 I knew he was a great fighter.

00:03:49.000 We'd get together with friends and watch the Michael Spinks fight with Larry Holmes when Spinks beat him for the title.

00:03:56.000 It was a big deal, but it wasn't a big deal culturally.

00:03:59.000 People didn't care as much.

00:04:01.000 But then you came around.

00:04:03.000 And when you came around, all of a sudden, everybody's watching heavyweight boxing.

00:04:08.000 Heavyweight boxing wasn't boring again.

00:04:11.000 It was the most crazy, exciting thing in sports.

00:04:15.000 When your fights would go on, it would be about, should I pay for this?

00:04:20.000 Because how long is this going to last?

00:04:21.000 That had never existed.

00:04:22.000 Yeah, that's pretty weird.

00:04:23.000 People tell me about that all the time.

00:04:24.000 They all chipped in.

00:04:25.000 I never think about it like that.

00:04:29.000 Sometimes...

00:04:31.000 When it comes to my realization of the situation, I forget that I'm that guy.

00:04:35.000 I forget that I trained that hard and I became a fighter and stuff.

00:04:38.000 Yeah, that's what I was getting to ask you.

00:04:39.000 Like, does it seem like a dream?

00:04:42.000 Yeah, pretty much like a blur.

00:04:46.000 Because I couldn't imagine what it would be like to be 19 years old, 20 years old, to be that fucking famous.

00:04:53.000 It was a trip.

00:04:54.000 Who can handle that?

00:04:56.000 Can anybody handle that?

00:04:57.000 No, it was a trip, but it was just what Customado, you know, that was his blueprint to make me this teenage superstar.

00:05:04.000 Did he give you advice on how to handle pressure and fame?

00:05:07.000 Oh, the pressure and everything, but you know, he says really no ingredients in how to handle fame.

00:05:15.000 You know what I mean?

00:05:18.000 We have to see what department of fame is your problem, and we have to work on that issue from there.

00:05:24.000 But no one knows how to conduct themselves under that kind of pressure.

00:05:28.000 No.

00:05:29.000 I couldn't imagine.

00:05:30.000 It's the level of fame, too.

00:05:31.000 It's like you realize there's so many levels of fame, and then Mike's is...

00:05:38.000 Still just extraordinary, where people walk away from their job, like in an airport.

00:05:46.000 They're supposed to be at the cash register, and they run out.

00:05:50.000 They leave their job to go say hi.

00:05:53.000 Most of the time, you're like, oh, that's who that person is.

00:05:56.000 It's a totally different thing.

00:05:58.000 How weird is that?

00:05:58.000 That's pretty weird.

00:06:01.000 It took time for me to get used to that stuff.

00:06:04.000 I used to be one of those.

00:06:04.000 Get the fuck away from me, man.

00:06:05.000 What are you doing, you creep?

00:06:07.000 You know what I mean?

00:06:07.000 Because I never knew how to conduct myself.

00:06:10.000 Mike, come here.

00:06:10.000 Take a picture of my mother.

00:06:11.000 Take a picture of my kid.

00:06:12.000 Take a picture here.

00:06:13.000 Take a picture here.

00:06:13.000 I love you.

00:06:14.000 This and that.

00:06:14.000 I'm like, whoa, dude.

00:06:16.000 Cool out.

00:06:17.000 You know what I mean?

00:06:17.000 But now, you know, I understand this is just what it is.

00:06:20.000 It is what it is, and you're not going to be able to stop it.

00:06:22.000 Yeah, I've seen you at the UFC before.

00:06:24.000 You're very calm around people.

00:06:26.000 When people grabbing at you want to take pictures, you just relax.

00:06:29.000 The UFC is awesome because everybody's nuts.

00:06:33.000 Yeah, it's definitely a wild environment.

00:06:37.000 What do you think Habib's going to do now?

00:06:40.000 But I think who?

00:06:41.000 Khabib?

00:06:41.000 Yeah.

00:06:42.000 Well, he does whatever the fuck he wants to do.

00:06:44.000 That's what I think.

00:06:45.000 I think that guy's probably the best lightweight of all time.

00:06:48.000 He's a monster.

00:06:49.000 Incredible.

00:06:50.000 I think he's probably going to have some fights at 170 pounds eventually, if I'd imagine.

00:06:55.000 At 155, there's good fights for him.

00:06:58.000 Tony Ferguson's a great fight for him.

00:07:00.000 I'm really interested in seeing that.

00:07:02.000 I'm really interested in seeing him going up.

00:07:05.000 I'm really interested to see him fight at 170 pounds.

00:07:07.000 Who looked at from the fight?

00:07:10.000 Well, first of all, Tyron Woodley, who's the champ at 170, that would be an insane fight.

00:07:15.000 George St. Pierre, if he decided to come back and make a big super fight, that would be an insane fight.

00:07:19.000 I think 170 has a lot of opportunities for him.

00:07:22.000 But I think 155 does too.

00:07:24.000 They just have to figure out who's going to fight him.

00:07:25.000 He's an international superstar now.

00:07:28.000 You know, Khabib, especially the way he smashed Conor.

00:07:31.000 Conor's such a superstar already.

00:07:33.000 That the way Khabib won and did it so dominant, I think he's through the roof now.

00:07:38.000 I think when he comes back and people see the pay-per-view numbers of his fights, they're going to realize how huge this guy is.

00:07:45.000 Because he's so interesting.

00:07:46.000 He's very humble.

00:07:50.000 He's very polite.

00:07:51.000 Very well-spoken.

00:07:52.000 Very religious guy.

00:07:54.000 Lives with his family.

00:07:56.000 Lives with his parents.

00:07:57.000 Lives with his parents and his family, I believe.

00:07:59.000 I hope I'm not speaking out of school.

00:08:00.000 I believe that's true.

00:08:01.000 And obviously, he doesn't have to for money.

00:08:03.000 I mean, he's rich as shit now.

00:08:04.000 Yeah.

00:08:05.000 But he's just a monster.

00:08:06.000 Best grappler I've ever seen inside the 155-pound division.

00:08:09.000 He just smashes people.

00:08:11.000 What do you think about John Jones, though?

00:08:13.000 In what way?

00:08:14.000 In his skills.

00:08:16.000 He's phenomenal.

00:08:17.000 Incredible.

00:08:17.000 The best ever at using distance.

00:08:19.000 He knows distance better than anybody.

00:08:21.000 He's a master at knowing when he can hit you and you can't hit him.

00:08:24.000 Yeah, I miss watching him fight, you know what I mean?

00:08:26.000 He's not fighting as much anymore.

00:08:27.000 He's back.

00:08:28.000 He just won.

00:08:28.000 Just won the title again.

00:08:29.000 Just fought Alexander Gustafson.

00:08:30.000 Yeah.

00:08:31.000 Yeah, a couple weeks ago.

00:08:32.000 Yeah.

00:08:33.000 For a bacon title?

00:08:34.000 It was Daniel Cormier relinquished his title.

00:08:38.000 And it was like, it's weird, right?

00:08:41.000 Cormier is the champ because Jon Jones tested positive for something, so they stripped him, and then Cormier became the champ.

00:08:49.000 It's, you know, I think they'll probably fight again, whether they fight again at heavyweight or light heavyweight.

00:08:54.000 Really?

00:08:54.000 Yeah, I think Cormier and Jon Jones, if Cormier wants to, if he wants to keep going.

00:08:57.000 But he says he wants to retire soon.

00:08:59.000 He's 40, you know?

00:09:00.000 Yeah.

00:09:02.000 He still looks good, though.

00:09:03.000 He looks great.

00:09:03.000 Especially at heavyweight.

00:09:05.000 At heavyweight, he doesn't have to cut weight.

00:09:07.000 He's got so much strength and just so agile.

00:09:10.000 He's such an unbelievable wrestler, too.

00:09:13.000 I mean, his wrestling skill, his skill level and understanding of wrestling is so high.

00:09:17.000 It's so above most people.

00:09:18.000 Anybody fight outside of John Jones, he dominated.

00:09:21.000 Yeah.

00:09:21.000 Yeah, that's how good John is.

00:09:23.000 John's that good.

00:09:25.000 He's that good.

00:09:25.000 I mean, it just sucks that he's had so many controversies in his life, but I'm hoping he puts all that shit behind him.

00:09:31.000 Have you ever spoken with him about that?

00:09:33.000 Yeah, never about his personal life.

00:09:34.000 We met before and talked.

00:09:36.000 But you're a guy who's gone, I mean, when you went through legal problems yourself, you overcame, you came out of it on the other hand.

00:09:43.000 I would think a guy like him could benefit a lot from talking to a guy like him.

00:09:47.000 Yeah, but it's just so difficult and it's so unfortunate that he has to go through something like that, you know?

00:09:52.000 Do you think so?

00:09:53.000 Yes, it's really unfortunate.

00:09:55.000 Because sometimes people don't survive situations like that.

00:10:00.000 Because they're so wild and they're having a good time too much and they're partying.

00:10:03.000 It has to come to an end.

00:10:06.000 If you don't bring it to an end, it's going to come to its own end.

00:10:10.000 It might not like that way it ends.

00:10:13.000 So you think for a guy like him, maybe getting in trouble was a good thing?

00:10:17.000 If only have you learned from experiences like that, you know?

00:10:21.000 I was just a wild guy.

00:10:23.000 I was really a wild guy.

00:10:24.000 I look at myself now and I say to myself, when I spent all those trips in those psych woods and stuff, I say, what was that all about?

00:10:31.000 What was wrong with me back then?

00:10:33.000 You know?

00:10:34.000 Yeah.

00:10:35.000 And I must say I was really disturbed back then.

00:10:38.000 But you're somebody who got to the point where you got like, it's really fascinating, because I know you're a public figure, so I've been able to watch you my whole life.

00:10:48.000 You went through all that stuff, and then you got to this point where you're very self-reflective.

00:10:52.000 You are able to comment on it.

00:10:55.000 I don't think most, I mean, most people, regardless of whether they're famous or not, just still don't get to that point where they're able to look back and examine who they were and doing wild shit and With ruthless honesty.

00:11:08.000 Yeah.

00:11:09.000 That's what's so great.

00:11:09.000 You have to reflect on yourself to discover who you really are.

00:11:12.000 Yeah.

00:11:13.000 When you're 20 years old and all of a sudden you're the heavyweight champion of the world just a few years ago, you were poor.

00:11:18.000 And now all of a sudden you're the king of the world.

00:11:21.000 That's really crazy.

00:11:22.000 You know, I'm so young.

00:11:23.000 It's really crazy.

00:11:25.000 I was unable to handle that.

00:11:26.000 I wasn't expecting that.

00:11:28.000 That was a real sucker punch right there.

00:11:30.000 Charlie Murphy.

00:11:30.000 That's a real sucker punch right there.

00:11:32.000 I wasn't ready for that one.

00:11:33.000 Charlie Murphy told us a story, and it's animated, and it's on YouTube now, of you and him coming over to your house in a limousine, and you had a, was it a lion or a tiger?

00:11:42.000 Tiger.

00:11:43.000 He must have been a lion, but he had a tiger.

00:11:46.000 Dude.

00:11:47.000 It is one of the craziest fucking stories.

00:11:49.000 I always...

00:11:50.000 So for people that don't know, I got to hang out with you at one of my shows one time.

00:11:54.000 And it was a great...

00:11:56.000 I had the best time talking to you about everything.

00:11:58.000 What made you think you could get a tiger?

00:12:00.000 Like, how did that even happen?

00:12:02.000 Hey, I'm in...

00:12:04.000 This is really interesting.

00:12:05.000 And so, I'm in prison at the time.

00:12:08.000 So I'm in prison.

00:12:09.000 I'm talking to my car dealer at the time.

00:12:12.000 And he has some...

00:12:15.000 Cars that belong to a friend of mine.

00:12:16.000 They're both a friend of ours.

00:12:17.000 And he's discussing if he doesn't pay for these cars, I'm going to sell these cars to somebody and get some horses and stuff.

00:12:23.000 I said, what?

00:12:24.000 You can get horses?

00:12:25.000 And trade horses in for cars?

00:12:26.000 Because I had a lot of cars.

00:12:27.000 I said, I'll probably get some horses, too.

00:12:30.000 And he said, yeah, man, you can get cougars, lions, tigers.

00:12:33.000 I know this guy got excited.

00:12:34.000 I said, you do?

00:12:35.000 Can you get me some tigers?

00:12:36.000 He said, yeah.

00:12:37.000 And the guy told me, and the guy said, man, imagine how cool that big you'd be.

00:12:40.000 Because I had a bunch of fancy cars.

00:12:41.000 Imagine that, man, you'd be in the Aston Martin or Farah and you have a tiger right next to you, man.

00:12:45.000 I don't know.

00:12:46.000 And I'm a young guy.

00:12:47.000 I'm saying to myself, wow, that would be cool, right?

00:12:51.000 I mean, yeah, get me some cubs, man.

00:12:52.000 And then when I came home, I had those cubs right there waiting for me.

00:12:56.000 So you raised them as cubs?

00:12:57.000 Yes.

00:12:57.000 Because I would see footage of you, like, fucking smacking them around and jumping on one of your tigers, and I was like, holy shit!

00:13:05.000 Oh, no, I had them since they were babies.

00:13:06.000 I had their mothers.

00:13:07.000 Their mothers since they were babies.

00:13:09.000 Now, it never gets...

00:13:11.000 This is a crazy picture.

00:13:12.000 You in your underwear with a tiger on a chain.

00:13:15.000 That is one of the...

00:13:16.000 That's the chance right there.

00:13:18.000 That's you at peak crazy.

00:13:20.000 Yeah.

00:13:21.000 Insane.

00:13:22.000 Yeah.

00:13:22.000 Tom, what was going through my mind?

00:13:24.000 Yeah.

00:13:24.000 I don't know what made me think about...

00:13:26.000 My friend said, Mike, you can get some awesome animals.

00:13:28.000 And I'm saying, really?

00:13:29.000 Are you serious?

00:13:31.000 I'm going to get some horses.

00:13:32.000 Everybody does it, though.

00:13:34.000 That was one of the things about...

00:13:36.000 What's his face from Narcos?

00:13:39.000 Oh, Pablo Escobar.

00:13:41.000 He got like a fucking zoo in it.

00:13:42.000 Escobar had a whole crazy zoo.

00:13:44.000 They all do it.

00:13:45.000 Once you get like that rich, you're like, just get some animals.

00:13:47.000 Yeah, you want to fuck with some animals.

00:13:50.000 Let's get some animals.

00:13:51.000 Fuck these people.

00:13:52.000 Let's get some animals.

00:13:53.000 And they throw people in there with the lions and tigers.

00:13:55.000 Get in there, you motherfucker!

00:13:57.000 It's a real common thing with super rich people.

00:14:00.000 They start getting lions, tigers and shit.

00:14:02.000 Michael Jackson had all that stuff, too.

00:14:04.000 That's right.

00:14:04.000 Michael Jackson.

00:14:05.000 Michael Jackson had everything.

00:14:07.000 Yeah, he was there, too.

00:14:08.000 Hugh Hefner had like a zoo in his backyard.

00:14:10.000 That's true.

00:14:11.000 But he had weird shit, like weird birds.

00:14:13.000 Yeah.

00:14:14.000 I don't think he maybe had a monkey or something.

00:14:16.000 He did have weird shit.

00:14:17.000 Nothing dangerous.

00:14:18.000 I hung up there before at the Playboy Mansion.

00:14:20.000 This is at the end of his career.

00:14:21.000 It was like, what was it, 10 years ago or something?

00:14:24.000 It was pretty awesome.

00:14:26.000 Yeah, that guy, man, what a life he lived.

00:14:28.000 You?

00:14:29.000 Yeah.

00:14:29.000 In his pajamas.

00:14:32.000 They're sucking his balls and he's 80 and shit.

00:14:34.000 Oh, no!

00:14:35.000 Deep into his 80s.

00:14:36.000 Deep into his 80s.

00:14:37.000 Deep into his 90s.

00:14:38.000 Yeah.

00:14:39.000 Here's the thing.

00:14:40.000 That dude lived the lifestyle he was talking about.

00:14:43.000 You know, a lot of people talk shit and you're like, you don't really do that.

00:14:45.000 He was really doing it.

00:14:46.000 If I start living that life, I'll be dark.

00:14:49.000 I'll start getting dark.

00:14:51.000 Too much indulgence.

00:14:54.000 Wait, one other thing.

00:14:56.000 I got to run.

00:14:57.000 Where you going, man?

00:14:58.000 I got to go meet the wife, man.

00:15:01.000 Oh, yeah.

00:15:01.000 That'll do it to you.

00:15:03.000 I read one time.

00:15:04.000 For people that know, I met...

00:15:07.000 Mike on a flight, and it was a surreal experience.

00:15:10.000 You know, like, from being a kid and thinking, like, this is Superman.

00:15:15.000 That's what I thought as a kid.

00:15:16.000 You know what I mean?

00:15:17.000 When you see it as a kid, too, I think it's different.

00:15:20.000 You're just like, whoa, that is so nuts.

00:15:22.000 Like, these 11-second knockouts and shit.

00:15:25.000 And Joe, Noah's so bizarre.

00:15:26.000 Periodically, even to this day, people come up to me and talk about the experience.

00:15:29.000 They saw him, and he talked about meeting me.

00:15:31.000 He said, is that true?

00:15:32.000 Yeah.

00:15:34.000 All the time, right?

00:15:35.000 It's on a special.

00:15:35.000 It's on Mostly Stories.

00:15:37.000 People ask me, is that true?

00:15:39.000 Yeah, Mostly Stories.

00:15:41.000 And it was a surreal experience.

00:15:43.000 And we spoke on the plane.

00:15:45.000 And then when I thought we were done talking, I faced forward.

00:15:49.000 And then he came back and tapped me on the shoulder.

00:15:51.000 I was like, oh, shit!

00:15:53.000 Mike's talking to me.

00:15:54.000 I'm down here seat belted in.

00:15:56.000 But then we land and he was like, oh, where's your show?

00:15:59.000 And I go, oh, it's here.

00:16:01.000 I give him the number.

00:16:03.000 Never expect it here.

00:16:04.000 Hits me up the next day.

00:16:05.000 And he's like, we're coming to your show.

00:16:07.000 And I was like, oh, my God.

00:16:08.000 And I really did say, like, I'm amazed that you're coming.

00:16:11.000 And he said, it's all love.

00:16:13.000 And I just said, I love you.

00:16:15.000 Because I didn't know what to say.

00:16:18.000 And then...

00:16:19.000 That was good.

00:16:20.000 That was cool.

00:16:21.000 He's like, alright, man.

00:16:22.000 And then I have the phone.

00:16:23.000 And then...

00:16:24.000 I remember I called the Pittsburgh Improv Manager.

00:16:29.000 And I go, hey, man.

00:16:31.000 I just go, you're not going to believe this, but Tyson's coming to the fight tonight.

00:16:34.000 He goes, Mike Tyson?

00:16:35.000 I go, no.

00:16:36.000 Fucking Tyson Chicken.

00:16:37.000 Yeah, Mike Tyson's coming tonight.

00:16:38.000 He's like, I'll corridor off a whole thing.

00:16:40.000 And, you know...

00:16:41.000 And I didn't know he was at the show.

00:16:43.000 Because the show had already started and I didn't see him arrive.

00:16:47.000 When we go back to the green...

00:16:48.000 After the show, I walk off stage and he grabs me and he goes, let's go to the green room.

00:16:54.000 So he took me to my green room, right?

00:16:56.000 And I was like, fuck yeah.

00:16:58.000 And we hung out in that green room over an hour and just shooting the shit and talking.

00:17:04.000 And when I forgot the time had passed, I opened the door.

00:17:08.000 The entire staff...

00:17:09.000 Entire staff is lined up at the door to meet him.

00:17:13.000 That's the effect that he has on the group.

00:17:15.000 They're waiting in a line for an hour outside the green room.

00:17:20.000 We talked about boxing, about life.

00:17:22.000 It was fascinating.

00:17:24.000 One of the things I really appreciated about you as a fighter was that you really knew that you were putting on a show.

00:17:32.000 So that's something that I feel like I miss.

00:17:35.000 There's no one that put on the show the way you did.

00:17:37.000 You knew that people bought tickets and And paid for the pay-per-view.

00:17:41.000 And then, you know, it's still like one of my great memories, man.

00:17:44.000 It was a thrill to meet you.

00:17:46.000 So I just wanted to stop by and say hi.

00:17:48.000 Sounds like you're wrapping it up.

00:17:49.000 Yeah, he has to go.

00:17:51.000 I do, I do.

00:17:51.000 Oh, by the way, did you buy seven Bentleys that were the same color?

00:17:56.000 No, but I bought around seven Bentleys before.

00:17:58.000 Damn.

00:17:59.000 They're Rolls Royces.

00:18:00.000 I wanted to ask.

00:18:01.000 You did give away one when you crashed it, right?

00:18:03.000 Yeah, let me tell you that story.

00:18:05.000 I wish I had some time.

00:18:05.000 I got...

00:18:07.000 I was married at the time to Robin Givens and we were in some fast food chain.

00:18:12.000 We were ordering food and she went in my pocket I guess to get some money out of my pocket to pay for it and she saw some condoms came out and she was mad so she got in the car And then, boom, she crashed the car into another car that was just parked there.

00:18:30.000 Boom!

00:18:31.000 And she hit somebody, and she hurt their arm.

00:18:34.000 And then the cops came.

00:18:36.000 And so the cops came, and the cops were saying, hey, what happened here?

00:18:39.000 Right?

00:18:40.000 And I was afraid that they were going to arrest me or arrest me.

00:18:42.000 So I said, well, nothing happened, officer.

00:18:46.000 Nothing.

00:18:46.000 And it was the guy with a broken arm.

00:18:49.000 I said, you know, sir, why don't you just take the car?

00:18:51.000 You know, you deserve it because you've been doing a lot.

00:18:53.000 Because I didn't want to get arrested.

00:18:54.000 I didn't have a license or anything.

00:18:55.000 I didn't want my wife to get in trouble.

00:18:57.000 I said, why don't you just take it?

00:18:58.000 It was around 230 at the time.

00:19:01.000 I said, why don't you just take it?

00:19:02.000 It'll be okay.

00:19:03.000 And the guy said, hey, don't tell me that.

00:19:05.000 And then once he said that, I said, got him.

00:19:06.000 Ah.

00:19:07.000 I said, I got him.

00:19:08.000 And I said, hey man, take it, man.

00:19:09.000 Do this, man.

00:19:10.000 You deserve this.

00:19:11.000 Take it.

00:19:11.000 And they took it.

00:19:13.000 But before that, some guy's arm was broken and I gave him my money.

00:19:17.000 I said, I'll take the money.

00:19:17.000 And then he came back to the police.

00:19:19.000 He said, my arm is better.

00:19:20.000 Now get away from me.

00:19:21.000 I'm not going to tell you to get away from me no more.

00:19:22.000 Because he didn't want to mess this deal up with this car.

00:19:24.000 Because the guy complained he's not going to get in this car.

00:19:27.000 That's hilarious.

00:19:28.000 And the cops said, don't fucking come near me again.

00:19:31.000 You hear me?

00:19:32.000 So the guy is backed off, and I say, hey, go ahead, man.

00:19:34.000 I'll see you later.

00:19:35.000 And I took off my wife.

00:19:36.000 I didn't want us to get in trouble.

00:19:37.000 But they made him give away the car, right?

00:19:39.000 I went back to my office, and I said, get my fucking car back.

00:19:42.000 Really?

00:19:43.000 Yeah.

00:19:44.000 He got fired.

00:19:45.000 He did?

00:19:46.000 Yeah.

00:19:47.000 Oh, my God.

00:19:49.000 He's probably hearing this night, I'm going to get that bastard, Tyson.

00:19:52.000 So you gave him to me?

00:19:54.000 Yeah.

00:19:55.000 I wanted my Indian gift.

00:19:57.000 I wanted my car back.

00:19:58.000 I wanted my car back.

00:20:00.000 Oh, no.

00:20:01.000 You imagine Mike Tyson calls you up and says, give me my fucking car back.

00:20:05.000 He's like, shit!

00:20:06.000 Yeah.

00:20:07.000 It's outside, man.

00:20:08.000 I got it for you.

00:20:09.000 God damn it.

00:20:09.000 Listen, I got to tell you something.

00:20:11.000 I got to tell you something.

00:20:12.000 You guys know I embarked on the marijuana business.

00:20:14.000 Yes.

00:20:15.000 This beautiful box.

00:20:17.000 That is a beautiful box, by the way.

00:20:19.000 That's so awesome.

00:20:20.000 Thank you, man, for accepting it.

00:20:22.000 My pleasure.

00:20:23.000 I'm honored.

00:20:24.000 That's a cool-ass box, man.

00:20:25.000 Yeah, Tyson Ranch is going to be opening up pretty shortly.

00:20:29.000 Yeah, you guys have...

00:20:30.000 I saw the plans.

00:20:31.000 I mean, 2022. This is a big deal.

00:20:33.000 Really?

00:20:34.000 This place is gigantic.

00:20:35.000 Which state?

00:20:36.000 It's in California.

00:20:38.000 It is here?

00:20:38.000 Yeah.

00:20:39.000 They're setting up like a resort.

00:20:42.000 Really?

00:20:42.000 Yeah.

00:20:43.000 It's going to be the best facility in the world, man.

00:20:46.000 It's going to have an acre-long lake.

00:20:51.000 Wow.

00:20:52.000 You could go stay.

00:20:53.000 It's going to be camping, glamping.

00:20:55.000 Glamping.

00:20:56.000 Glamorous camping.

00:20:57.000 Glamorous camping.

00:20:58.000 Very glamorous, yeah.

00:20:58.000 How about some tigers and shit?

00:21:00.000 Put some wild animals.

00:21:01.000 My partner Rob Hickman was discussing that too.

00:21:04.000 Where are those tigers?

00:21:04.000 Well, I had them for like 14 years, so I had to get rid of them, you know what I mean?

00:21:07.000 What do you do when you want to get rid of a tiger?

00:21:09.000 A sanctuary.

00:21:10.000 Oh.

00:21:11.000 All right, fuck.

00:21:11.000 I gotta run.

00:21:12.000 I love you.

00:21:13.000 I love you too, buddy.

00:21:14.000 Look, better cannabis, dude.

00:21:16.000 There it is.

00:21:17.000 Yeah, congrats on that, man.

00:21:19.000 That looks dope.

00:21:20.000 Awesome, man.

00:21:20.000 I'm so excited about this stuff.

00:21:23.000 Love you, bro.

00:21:24.000 I love embarking on this cannabis stuff.

00:21:26.000 This stuff is so awesome.

00:21:29.000 Yeah, you seem to be really enjoying this.

00:21:31.000 Like, when you're talking to your partners out there, you're having a good time with this.

00:21:34.000 Aw, man, I never thought that in a million years I'd be able to do this and legalize.

00:21:39.000 Yeah.

00:21:40.000 When did you start, like, regularly smoking weed?

00:21:42.000 Since I was like 10 years old.

00:21:44.000 The whole time when you were fighting, you were regularly smoking weed?

00:21:46.000 Well, you know, when you're a kid, your mother gives you liquor and marijuana for it to make you think that you're going to go to sleep or something, yeah.

00:21:52.000 Really?

00:21:52.000 Yeah.

00:21:53.000 That never happened in my house.

00:21:54.000 Never, yeah.

00:21:55.000 My mother was an alcoholic and stuff.

00:21:57.000 Damn.

00:21:58.000 That's harsh.

00:21:59.000 Liquor and marijuana.

00:22:00.000 See if you go to sleep.

00:22:03.000 Yeah.

00:22:03.000 It didn't work?

00:22:04.000 I don't think so.

00:22:07.000 What benefits do you get out of marijuana?

00:22:11.000 What does it do for you?

00:22:12.000 Hey, man, if I didn't, I'd have a bad day.

00:22:16.000 Yeah, I'm a really moody guy without it.

00:22:20.000 And it just smooths me out.

00:22:22.000 As soon as I take it, I'm a whole different person.

00:22:23.000 I'm really on top of my game.

00:22:25.000 I'm balling.

00:22:26.000 Yeah, I feel the same way sometimes.

00:22:28.000 It makes me nicer.

00:22:29.000 Yeah.

00:22:29.000 Yeah, it calms me down.

00:22:34.000 And I like who I am when I smoke.

00:22:36.000 When I weed, I don't sometimes like who I am sometimes.

00:22:40.000 That's just the real sometimes.

00:22:41.000 I don't like that guy.

00:22:42.000 I want to get away from that guy.

00:22:44.000 Well, you know, I was talking to Michael Irvin once.

00:22:46.000 He was explaining to me that when children grow up in high-stress environments, that their genes are wired.

00:22:55.000 Yeah, I agree.

00:23:16.000 Or whatever it is, yoga, meditation, whatever you do to get there.

00:23:20.000 We should be happy that you can get there.

00:23:22.000 That's what we want.

00:23:23.000 Listen, I am so grateful that I embarked on this.

00:23:26.000 I've never been a person to this magnitude, this kind of relaxation.

00:23:31.000 I was enjoying my time with you.

00:23:32.000 I was very uptight.

00:23:34.000 Anytime I was very uncomfortable with myself.

00:23:36.000 Did you feel any better after you worked out when you were young like that?

00:23:40.000 Absolutely.

00:23:41.000 But my work's out.

00:23:42.000 You know what?

00:23:44.000 The best thing that ever happened to me is that I retired from boxing.

00:23:47.000 Because me working out and Megan, I was so intense with this.

00:23:49.000 My whole objective was hurting people and wanting to be the best.

00:23:53.000 And my ego took over.

00:23:54.000 And I'm Mike Tyson.

00:23:55.000 I'm the best to ever live and all this bullshit.

00:23:57.000 And dealing with my partner, Rob Hickman, I happened to embark on this, come across this thing called The Toad.

00:24:08.000 Are you familiar with the toad?

00:24:09.000 Yeah, what you're talking about is 5-methoxy-dynethyl-tryptomy.

00:24:12.000 Oh, that's it right there, yeah.

00:24:14.000 And I came across that, and I smoked this, I don't know, this medicine, drug, whatever you want to call it, and I've never been the same.

00:24:26.000 I look at life different, I look at people differently, and the experience I can't even express, really.

00:24:32.000 It's almost like dying and being reborn.

00:24:35.000 Yeah, I had the exact same experience.

00:24:38.000 That's what it felt like to me, too.

00:24:39.000 Like, you stop existing.

00:24:41.000 The 5-methoxys, there's two...

00:24:43.000 Tell me, what's the deal with it?

00:24:44.000 What the hell's going on here?

00:24:46.000 5-methoxys is produced by your brain, but what it is, is it's DMT with an oxygen molecule attached to it.

00:24:53.000 So regular DMT is NN-dimethyltryptamine.

00:24:57.000 And then 5-methoxy-dimethyltryptamine is DMT with a very subtle change to the molecule, and that subtle change, for some reason, takes away the visuals.

00:25:08.000 You've done regular DMT too, right?

00:25:10.000 Yes.

00:25:11.000 Regular DMT is rich with visuals.

00:25:13.000 Very strained, bright, colorful, impossible to describe visuals.

00:25:17.000 Yes, it's inconceivable.

00:25:20.000 Inconceivable is the best way to put it.

00:25:21.000 Yeah, inconceivable.

00:25:22.000 I try to explain it to some people, my wife, and it's just I don't have the words to explain it.

00:25:27.000 That's exactly what I always say.

00:25:28.000 I've done a terrible job explaining it to everybody every time I've tried.

00:25:31.000 It just doesn't work.

00:25:33.000 But all those things, they give you perspective.

00:25:36.000 It's almost like you're dying, you're submissive, you're humble, you're vulnerable, but you're invincible still in all.

00:25:45.000 It's just that weird feeling.

00:25:47.000 But you feel like you're part of the universe.

00:25:49.000 When you're separate from your ego, you realize you're a part of this whole thing, and this whole thing is unstoppable.

00:25:56.000 It's a gigantic, huge, all-encompassing...

00:26:01.000 Almost like a living thing.

00:26:02.000 You know, Joan, this is what I also realized, too, after going through that experience.

00:26:06.000 You realize how insignificant you are sometimes without your ego.

00:26:09.000 Yes.

00:26:10.000 You realize, wow, you're not really much that you really thought you were.

00:26:13.000 Yeah, you are and you aren't.

00:26:15.000 Obviously, you are in everyday life.

00:26:17.000 I mean, you go places, you have a dramatic effect on people.

00:26:20.000 You mean a lot.

00:26:21.000 You mean a lot to those people that you run into.

00:26:23.000 You mean a lot to the people that you love and that love you.

00:26:26.000 But we all do.

00:26:29.000 It's all relative.

00:26:32.000 No one is irreplaceable, but everyone is special to someone or something, at least to themselves.

00:26:39.000 But we're all the same.

00:26:40.000 We're all part of this weird, crazy, gigantic organism that's the human race.

00:26:45.000 You know, so I think you said it.

00:26:47.000 My mentor, Customato, his objective was to think of nothing.

00:26:50.000 You're nothing, nothing's nothing but the objective, the job, and that was his psychological warfare.

00:26:55.000 You know, nothing matters.

00:26:56.000 You're nothing, nothing, but the only thing that matters is the objective and accomplishing that objective by going through these methods of boxing.

00:27:03.000 Do you ever stop and think about how fortunate it was you ran into that guy?

00:27:07.000 Listen, to this day, I really don't understand that.

00:27:10.000 So how did this happen?

00:27:12.000 Because so many people...

00:27:13.000 By the time I was born, he was 66 years old by the time I was born.

00:27:17.000 Yeah.

00:27:17.000 Crazy.

00:27:19.000 So many people could, you know...

00:27:21.000 Can't even explain it.

00:27:23.000 It's a magnificent individual.

00:27:25.000 He was an amazing guy.

00:27:27.000 An amazing part of boxing with an unprecedented grasp of the mindset required for combat sports.

00:27:37.000 That was the thing that always really stood out about him.

00:27:40.000 He was a guy that was so well versed in the mindset.

00:27:44.000 I would listen to his speeches when he would talk about you and he would talk about boxing.

00:27:50.000 We talk about fear.

00:27:51.000 Fear can be like a fire.

00:27:53.000 It can cook your food or it can burn your house down.

00:27:56.000 And you have to control it.

00:27:58.000 And when he would describe it, it would be so enlightening.

00:28:01.000 He was such a man of wisdom that when he would describe things, they would sink in.

00:28:06.000 Somebody could say the same thing.

00:28:09.000 But with him, he had so much life experience.

00:28:11.000 He was a psychiatrist, he was a doctor, he was a father, he was a mother.

00:28:16.000 He was just all around that individual.

00:28:19.000 Yeah, and with an amazing knowledge of boxing.

00:28:22.000 And for a guy like you, it was almost like it was ordained.

00:28:25.000 And that's what I always said.

00:28:27.000 It was meant for me to meet this guy.

00:28:29.000 Because I had no way in a million years, everybody said, no way you're going to be champ.

00:28:32.000 You're too small.

00:28:33.000 You're too short.

00:28:34.000 No way.

00:28:34.000 This guy's too big for you.

00:28:36.000 He said, this is the greatest I ever lived.

00:28:37.000 This and this is always saying this about me.

00:28:39.000 I'm like, oh, God, this guy's just souping me up.

00:28:41.000 I never thought I could achieve what he was saying.

00:28:44.000 The things he was saying were just so gigantic in my eyes at the time.

00:28:49.000 Yeah, I mean, when it all happened, And it turned out that he was true.

00:28:54.000 And you have to absorb all this when you're 20 years old.

00:28:57.000 You know, I always say this about Justin Bieber, and I don't think Justin Bieber nearly had to deal with what you had to deal with.

00:29:03.000 Your experience was so much crazier because you were not just an incredibly famous guy.

00:29:08.000 You were the baddest man on the planet.

00:29:09.000 So there was like an aura to you everywhere you went.

00:29:12.000 People wanted to see you.

00:29:13.000 50-year-old men don't give a fuck about Justin Bieber.

00:29:16.000 No disrespect.

00:29:17.000 He's a great guy, a great singer, but he's like young girls.

00:29:21.000 For young girls, that guy's unbelievably famous, but he's been famous since he was a little kid.

00:29:28.000 That's amazing, right?

00:29:29.000 Amazing.

00:29:30.000 When people hear about him going insane, I'm like, of course he's going insane.

00:29:34.000 You have no idea what it would be like to be him and to be 17 years old and girls literally trying to break into his house to throw pussy at him.

00:29:41.000 They're coming down chimneys.

00:29:43.000 They're flying in on parachutes.

00:29:44.000 They're doing anything they can.

00:29:45.000 They just want to be around him.

00:29:46.000 And you want him to be normal?

00:29:47.000 Oh, poor Justin.

00:29:49.000 Oh, man.

00:29:50.000 Poor guy.

00:29:53.000 No one can handle that.

00:29:55.000 What kind of music you're listening to?

00:29:56.000 I listen to everything, man.

00:29:58.000 I do.

00:29:58.000 I listen to a lot of classic rock, for whatever reason.

00:30:02.000 But I've been listening to a lot of Kanye West over the last few weeks.

00:30:04.000 Tell me, what's he talking about?

00:30:06.000 Kanye?

00:30:06.000 Yeah.

00:30:07.000 Well, he's talking about a lot of crazy shit.

00:30:09.000 He actually talked about DMT in one of his recent songs.

00:30:11.000 Really?

00:30:12.000 You think he did that before?

00:30:13.000 I think he did.

00:30:14.000 Oh, man.

00:30:15.000 Well, I know he's friends with Kid Cudi.

00:30:17.000 Kid Cudi's been in here, and Kid Cudi's had some psychedelic experiences.

00:30:21.000 Yeah.

00:30:21.000 Once you go there, it's just, you don't want to do nothing else again.

00:30:25.000 Well, it puts it all in the perspective.

00:30:28.000 It lets you see that as much as this thing seems to be important, this is all temporary and you're a part of forever.

00:30:36.000 And it also allows you to become comfortable with death.

00:30:41.000 Yeah, you know who said that?

00:30:42.000 Larry Hagman.

00:30:43.000 Remember that guy Dallas from J.R. from Dallas?

00:30:46.000 He did an interview with CNN once.

00:30:48.000 And I Dream of Jeannie as well.

00:30:49.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:30:50.000 He sprung it on him on CNN once.

00:30:52.000 He was talking about how he did acid.

00:30:54.000 He took a big dose of acid and he's never worried about death ever again.

00:30:57.000 That it just alleviated his worry about passing on.

00:31:03.000 That's why I felt the same way.

00:31:05.000 It doesn't matter anymore.

00:31:07.000 I think DNT, even more specifically, because they think it might be.

00:31:10.000 Yeah, why does it affect the mind that way?

00:31:12.000 What causes it to affect the mind that way?

00:31:14.000 They don't totally know.

00:31:16.000 That it makes it visually visualize everything.

00:31:20.000 They don't totally know.

00:31:21.000 They know that your brain makes it.

00:31:23.000 They know that your body makes it, they should say.

00:31:25.000 They know that it's producing your liver and their lungs, and there's some evidence now because they found it in rats that the pineal gland produces it, which is like, that's the third eye of Eastern mysticism.

00:31:34.000 That gland actually, in rats, they've proven, produces DMT, and they think it does so in people, too.

00:31:40.000 You know, once I did, I wanted to do it again and again and again.

00:31:43.000 And they said, you shouldn't do it too much, Mike, but I was like, man, I gotta, you know, grasp what's going on here.

00:31:47.000 Why am I feeling this?

00:31:48.000 Why did this, in a weird way, like, humbled you?

00:31:51.000 I don't think you should listen to the people who say you shouldn't do it too much.

00:31:54.000 I think you should do it as much as you want.

00:31:56.000 That's what I agree with, too.

00:31:57.000 Yeah.

00:31:58.000 I agree.

00:31:58.000 You could handle it.

00:31:59.000 If you could handle being Mike Tyson, you could handle doing DMT issues.

00:32:03.000 DMT, yeah, that's where I think I'm going.

00:32:04.000 I think I'm going in that direction.

00:32:06.000 Well, I mean, it's not something you should do all day, every day, but you can learn a lot from it.

00:32:10.000 And it's very beneficial and very strange that it's illegal.

00:32:13.000 You know, it's illegal.

00:32:15.000 Yeah, I noticed that.

00:32:17.000 Even though, like, Terrence McKenna had a joke about it, because your body's making it, so everybody's holding.

00:32:23.000 We all have it.

00:32:24.000 You know, it's illegal, but it's like making blood illegal.

00:32:27.000 Everybody has it.

00:32:28.000 Isn't it wild when they go to Scenari Desert and they find these totes?

00:32:31.000 Yeah.

00:32:32.000 Yeah, I've never experienced it from the toad.

00:32:34.000 I've only experienced it on television.

00:32:36.000 Oh, the way they extract it?

00:32:37.000 Yeah, they grab them and they squeeze it.

00:32:39.000 They bust its pimples and they bust it on a glass of marrow and then they take it off and they let it harden.

00:32:44.000 Yeah, they let it dry in the sun.

00:32:46.000 They scrape it off with a razor blade.

00:32:48.000 Yes.

00:32:49.000 I've only had it synthetically made in a laboratory.

00:32:52.000 You used to be able to buy it online.

00:32:53.000 You used to be able to buy like a fucking can of it, like this big, enough to get like a whole state high.

00:32:59.000 You just buy it online.

00:33:01.000 It was totally legal.

00:33:02.000 Incredible.

00:33:02.000 Yeah, it's weird.

00:33:03.000 It's bizarre that it's illegal.

00:33:06.000 Well, they would say not for human consumption, but I don't know what the fuck you're doing with it if you're not using it for human consumption.

00:33:11.000 But you used to be able to buy it.

00:33:13.000 I've never felt anything like that before.

00:33:15.000 No, nothing like that.

00:33:16.000 Makes me not want to do anything.

00:33:17.000 Nothing else can supersede that.

00:33:19.000 How long ago did it happen?

00:33:21.000 Around two months ago.

00:33:23.000 Yeah?

00:33:24.000 Did you write down what happened after it happened or did you record it?

00:33:28.000 No, I wish I did.

00:33:29.000 Yeah.

00:33:29.000 I wish I did.

00:33:30.000 Yeah, me too.

00:33:31.000 It goes away like a dream, right?

00:33:33.000 It comes off, you know, you're so scared, you know, it starts off like this to me, like, no, no, no, yeah!

00:33:43.000 That's how I start, no, I don't want to beat it, I start, hey, I want this to stop now, and the guy's like, hey, you're on the ride, and I'm like, no, no, no, yeah!

00:33:50.000 I love it, I love you, I love you, I love you!

00:33:53.000 Yeah, love everybody.

00:33:55.000 Yeah, so spassed out.

00:33:57.000 Yeah.

00:33:58.000 Did you have a hard time letting go?

00:34:00.000 At the beginning, I was fighting it.

00:34:02.000 I was saying, stop!

00:34:03.000 I wanted to stop now!

00:34:04.000 Just jump, stop this shit now!

00:34:06.000 Stop, and the guy was like, hey, the show, I'm like, I can't do it, gotta go for the ride, dude.

00:34:11.000 And it was like, oh, man, it's like I'm dying, things are going in my face, I'm seeing the Aztec things, I'm seeing...

00:34:18.000 I'm just seeing weird animals.

00:34:20.000 It's like another chamber.

00:34:22.000 It's boom, flashing.

00:34:24.000 And you're gone.

00:34:25.000 It's like a rocket.

00:34:26.000 You're taking off.

00:34:28.000 Yeah, it's beyond your imagination.

00:34:31.000 Yeah, death is inconceivable.

00:34:34.000 Can't even explain it to no one.

00:34:36.000 Well, I'm hoping that they start with psilocybin because I know MAPS, they're doing some great work with that, trying to get these things legalized, especially they're doing MDMA studies with veterans and people with PTSD and they're having great results.

00:34:52.000 They're moving into psilocybin.

00:34:53.000 They would love to get psilocybin legal, and it's up for ballot.

00:34:56.000 I think it was in Oregon.

00:34:57.000 Is that where it is?

00:34:58.000 I think Oregon is up for legalization this year, and it may be eventually in California as well.

00:35:03.000 How are you going to go do with that?

00:35:05.000 It should be legal.

00:35:06.000 It doesn't kill anybody.

00:35:08.000 It's not a bad thing if they regulate it, if they make it for therapeutic use and just set up centers where experts can show.

00:35:14.000 But they shouldn't make it prohibitive for people to own it or even grow their own.

00:35:18.000 It's not a bad idea to set up places where people can do it under a professional's care, a shaman's care, a physician's care.

00:35:25.000 That's a good idea.

00:35:26.000 But making it illegal is a bad idea because it helps a lot of people.

00:35:30.000 You know, people think of it as a party drug.

00:35:32.000 They think you're going to do mushrooms and freak out and go fucking run around naked.

00:35:36.000 Ah, what's on mushrooms?

00:35:37.000 Oh, you do mushrooms.

00:35:37.000 I love mushrooms.

00:35:39.000 I love mushrooms.

00:35:40.000 Well, psilocybin and DMT are very closely related chemically.

00:35:45.000 All those really potent psychedelic drugs are very closely related.

00:35:49.000 They all break down in some similar path inside your brain and give you that weird ego-dissolving experience.

00:36:01.000 Yeah, most of the drugs you do are most ego-enhancing.

00:36:06.000 Right, like Coke.

00:36:07.000 Yeah, you're like, the baddest mother...

00:36:11.000 You're just gone, man.

00:36:13.000 Yeah, you know, you've never had coffee.

00:36:14.000 I've never had Coke.

00:36:15.000 Never?

00:36:16.000 Never.

00:36:16.000 Oh, man.

00:36:18.000 Bad exchange, huh?

00:36:20.000 No, you didn't miss out on nothing, man.

00:36:24.000 Yeah, that one I ducked.

00:36:25.000 When I was in high school, my friend's cousin used to sell it.

00:36:28.000 And he wasted away to nothing.

00:36:31.000 Him and his girlfriend would hang out in the attic, never come out.

00:36:33.000 They would just sell coke and watch TV. It was bad.

00:36:36.000 It was like a vampire bit him.

00:36:39.000 Oh, man.

00:36:40.000 Once you get in that kind of vicious cycle, it's a wrap.

00:36:43.000 Yeah.

00:36:44.000 Yeah.

00:36:46.000 So I ducked it.

00:36:47.000 I ducked it early.

00:36:48.000 Never did coke.

00:36:50.000 Man.

00:36:52.000 When was the first time you did coke?

00:36:53.000 I don't know.

00:36:53.000 I was a kid.

00:36:54.000 11, 12. Shit.

00:36:56.000 I got involved with drugs early in life.

00:36:59.000 Wow.

00:37:00.000 That's crazy.

00:37:02.000 11, 12. Yeah.

00:37:04.000 I was still living in Brownsville, Brooklyn when I first did coke game.

00:37:10.000 Wow.

00:37:13.000 That's a crazy age.

00:37:14.000 Listen, I would never let my children...

00:37:15.000 I have a 10-year-old daughter and 8-year-olds.

00:37:18.000 I would never let them live the life that I live.

00:37:20.000 I would hate that.

00:37:20.000 I would always fight so hard.

00:37:21.000 I never want them to be in the environment that I grew up in.

00:37:23.000 Yeah, of course.

00:37:25.000 Well, you know, you have the benefit of having gone through it.

00:37:29.000 You know, no one else could ever understand...

00:37:33.000 How difficult any of your life must have been for you.

00:37:36.000 It's got to be one of the harder things.

00:37:38.000 When you did that documentary, it's an amazing documentary.

00:37:41.000 When you're very honest, you're very honest and you're very open about all your experiences.

00:37:46.000 And the one thing I took away after that, like, no one can understand.

00:37:49.000 You could hear a guy talk like this.

00:37:51.000 I could hear you say these things.

00:37:52.000 I could see the videos of your fights, see the videos of your experience.

00:37:56.000 But to understand the life that you lived, it's impossible.

00:38:00.000 It's just a guess.

00:38:01.000 It's like a guess for someone like me from the outside.

00:38:05.000 It's just really interesting.

00:38:06.000 I used to look at it and think about this young kid from Brooklyn, New York, comes to Custom Auto at 13, 12, and all of a sudden, I have a low self-esteem.

00:38:15.000 This guy gives me this big fucking ego.

00:38:18.000 You know what I mean?

00:38:19.000 I live by the rules of that ego and I've accomplished so much.

00:38:23.000 And a dominator ego.

00:38:25.000 Yeah.

00:38:26.000 You're set to have confidence.

00:38:27.000 Oh, all about destroying people.

00:38:28.000 Yeah.

00:38:29.000 You could be a lawyer, you're 200 pounds, I'm staring you down.

00:38:33.000 It was a weird environment growing up that way.

00:38:36.000 You know, because we as people, we try to avoid fights.

00:38:39.000 You know what I mean?

00:38:39.000 Right.

00:38:40.000 From my instincts, we avoid fights for all our lives.

00:38:42.000 And just to be able, this is what you do, like you're a UFC guy, you're a fighter, this is what you do for a job, a lifestyle.

00:38:49.000 That's pretty bizarre.

00:38:50.000 But you were getting positive reinforcement from thinking like that for the first time in your life.

00:38:54.000 Oh, absolutely.

00:38:55.000 Absolutely.

00:38:55.000 Yeah.

00:38:55.000 Never felt like that before.

00:38:56.000 It was like taking a big drug, you lose your years, boom, it felt like you're the man.

00:39:01.000 Then everybody's telling you you're great.

00:39:02.000 Yeah.

00:39:03.000 You know?

00:39:03.000 For the first time in your life.

00:39:05.000 Never understood that.

00:39:06.000 And you know what else the custom model used to do with me?

00:39:08.000 He used to take me to a hypnotist.

00:39:10.000 He was a hypnotist as well.

00:39:14.000 The hypnotist motions.

00:39:16.000 What kind of shit do they make you do?

00:39:17.000 And how they do it?

00:39:19.000 You relax, you go under, you totally focus on blackness, nothingness.

00:39:25.000 Right.

00:39:25.000 You go under and you're just being this savage, intelligent animal.

00:39:29.000 You're just working.

00:39:30.000 You're going to do this.

00:39:31.000 You're going to be a ferocious animal.

00:39:32.000 You're going to fight both hands to the body.

00:39:35.000 You're going to use your jab.

00:39:36.000 You're going to do this in ferocious fashion.

00:39:38.000 And they seeked all that in me as I was younger.

00:39:41.000 And you were like 12, 13 years old?

00:39:42.000 Yeah.

00:39:42.000 Wow.

00:39:43.000 So they're putting you under and just teaching you that mindset.

00:39:46.000 Yeah.

00:39:47.000 Whoa.

00:39:47.000 Did he give you any advice on how to shut it off?

00:39:50.000 No.

00:39:52.000 No.

00:39:53.000 He was probably like, I don't have any time.

00:39:55.000 He was probably like, I don't have any time.

00:39:57.000 The kid's 13. How old was Cuss at the time?

00:39:59.000 He was like 70. So shit, there's no time.

00:40:02.000 There's no time.

00:40:02.000 I'm not going to teach him the off switch.

00:40:04.000 Just hit the gas.

00:40:06.000 That's what it was, the gas.

00:40:07.000 We're going to destroy these guys.

00:40:08.000 These guys are in our way of, you know what I mean, greatness, glory.

00:40:11.000 It's one of the hardest things that many fighters that I've watched over the years have the problem of shutting it off.

00:40:19.000 Like turning it on and living like that and just wanting to be a dominator, but then learning how to be a father, learning how to be a friend.

00:40:27.000 Man, my first lifetime with children and stuff, trying to do this stuff, man, I felt so disastrous.

00:40:34.000 You know, it was just, I had no idea what I was doing to her.

00:40:38.000 I had no idea what arena I was stepping into.

00:40:41.000 It was just, it was just disasters.

00:40:44.000 I find out I spend most of my adult life now apologizing to my kids, you know what I mean?

00:40:50.000 Yeah, yeah, I can imagine.

00:40:52.000 From being such a horrible father.

00:40:54.000 Do you think they understand the shit that you were going through?

00:40:58.000 I have no idea what they understand.

00:41:00.000 No, I don't understand.

00:41:02.000 I try to basically make sure that part of my life is empty now.

00:41:06.000 I live a different life for my kids, my family now.

00:41:09.000 Yeah.

00:41:10.000 Well, that's beautiful.

00:41:11.000 It's beautiful that you, like Tom was saying earlier, you have a lot of self-reflection.

00:41:16.000 You've managed to look at your life and find out what has value to you, what helps you.

00:41:21.000 You always have to do self-evaluation.

00:41:23.000 I'm just a strong believer in that.

00:41:25.000 Somebody has to check you.

00:41:26.000 You have to check yourself.

00:41:28.000 I agree.

00:41:29.000 Especially a guy like you who's been checked.

00:41:32.000 Your ego's been checked.

00:41:33.000 Your life has been checked.

00:41:34.000 You've had so many down moments as well as up moments.

00:41:37.000 You've had the full ride of experiences.

00:41:41.000 I never thought I would survive with my ego being checked.

00:41:43.000 I had no idea that that wasn't what it was about.

00:41:45.000 So you thought if your ego checked, you would go away?

00:41:48.000 Probably nothing without my ego.

00:41:49.000 Wow.

00:41:51.000 Yeah.

00:41:51.000 I mean, it makes sense when you're going through all that hypnosis when you're 12 and 13 years old.

00:41:56.000 That's a crazy thing to do to a kid because it was super effective.

00:41:59.000 I had no idea, but I wanted to do it so bad.

00:42:01.000 I wanted to succeed so bad.

00:42:03.000 You could tell.

00:42:04.000 I watched a video of you real recently.

00:42:08.000 You were about 16, 17 years old, and you were sparring with some big guy who was a professional heavyweight.

00:42:15.000 What was fascinating to me about it wasn't just watching you move around when you were young and still learning, but it was also you were upset at yourself after it was over.

00:42:24.000 You didn't think it went well.

00:42:25.000 And I was like...

00:42:26.000 I don't remember that.

00:42:27.000 You don't remember?

00:42:27.000 It was an interesting video, man.

00:42:29.000 You were like, it didn't go well.

00:42:30.000 I could tell it didn't go well.

00:42:31.000 I was a sick perfectionist when I was a kid.

00:42:33.000 That's what I was going to say.

00:42:34.000 It seemed like it.

00:42:35.000 Like, you were obsessed.

00:42:36.000 That's my whole life.

00:42:37.000 That's all I did was look at boxing, watch boxing, read about fighters.

00:42:40.000 It was all about fighters.

00:42:41.000 Fighters were my gods.

00:42:43.000 Fighters?

00:42:43.000 Oh, you know that guy?

00:42:44.000 That's a fighter.

00:42:44.000 That's why I want to be around them.

00:42:45.000 Be that groupie.

00:42:46.000 That's another amazing occurrence.

00:42:48.000 Imagine that you also knew Jim Jacobs in that fucking fight library that guy had.

00:42:52.000 That's what I did was watch films over there.

00:42:54.000 It's amazing.

00:42:55.000 This is pre-VHS, right?

00:42:56.000 People had VHS, but not many.

00:42:58.000 Those fights weren't on VHS. No way.

00:43:00.000 Remember before, if you missed a fight, you weren't going to see it again.

00:43:04.000 Right, yeah.

00:43:05.000 Then we had to tape him.

00:43:06.000 Yeah.

00:43:07.000 And Jim Jacobs, he kept those things on like a regular old projector type thing.

00:43:12.000 If you listen to the voiceover on some of those old fights, it's Jim Jacobs.

00:43:17.000 Yeah, it's him doing commentary on some of the old fights that didn't have any volume to them.

00:43:21.000 Now you study all these guys all day and all night.

00:43:23.000 You study them.

00:43:24.000 Yeah.

00:43:25.000 It was through you that I learned about a lot of fighters.

00:43:27.000 When you would talk about Jack Dempsey, talk about different fighters from the old days, I learned about a lot of those guys from you.

00:43:34.000 I went back and watched some of those tapes and now it's beautiful.

00:43:37.000 Now you can just get on YouTube and you can see whatever you want.

00:43:40.000 Everything.

00:43:41.000 See all of it.

00:43:42.000 But to go back and watch some of those old tapes.

00:43:43.000 That's awesome.

00:43:43.000 Go back to my office and present if we're going to see this show.

00:43:46.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:43:47.000 We're going to see this show.

00:43:48.000 Exactly.

00:43:49.000 I can't wait.

00:43:49.000 I want you to come by to the ranch.

00:43:52.000 I would love to.

00:43:53.000 I'm in.

00:43:54.000 Productive.

00:43:55.000 It's going to be awesome.

00:43:56.000 So you said 2022?

00:43:57.000 Yeah.

00:43:57.000 So four years from now?

00:44:00.000 Three years from now?

00:44:01.000 It's going to be pretty awesome.

00:44:02.000 Yeah, that's awesome.

00:44:03.000 Well, the plans look amazing.

00:44:05.000 How long have you guys been working towards this?

00:44:07.000 Hey, listen, we had seen the property and then we purchased it and we were just overwhelmed with it.

00:44:16.000 I don't know, maybe a year ago?

00:44:18.000 Maybe a year or so, a year and a half or so.

00:44:21.000 Are you going to have a gym up there?

00:44:23.000 Hey, I never thought, but we will have the wellness center.

00:44:27.000 Dude, how great would it be if you taught a boxing class every now and then?

00:44:31.000 I don't know about all that stuff, though, but we got to hang out there and work out.

00:44:34.000 Just a fun boxing class, like hitting the heavy bag.

00:44:37.000 You don't have to get people beating each other up.

00:44:40.000 Do you know how much people would pay to smoke weed and come learn how to box from you?

00:44:43.000 That's going to be awesome.

00:44:44.000 They can smoke weed with me.

00:44:45.000 That would be cool.

00:44:46.000 Do you smoke weed with people, just regular folks?

00:44:49.000 Yeah, I smoke weed.

00:44:50.000 I always try to get my wife to smoke with me.

00:44:52.000 She doesn't smoke?

00:44:53.000 Yeah, she smokes.

00:44:54.000 Only at nighttime.

00:44:54.000 She can't function during the daytime.

00:44:56.000 Oh, right, right.

00:44:56.000 She does things during the day.

00:44:58.000 Well, I would imagine if I was a mother, it would be very hard to get high because I'd get paranoid.

00:45:04.000 Yeah, of course she doesn't do it during the day.

00:45:06.000 At nighttime, it's different.

00:45:09.000 Smoked a little weed, relaxed.

00:45:10.000 Hey, did you ever do any fighting?

00:45:11.000 I did kickboxing and Taekwondo tournaments.

00:45:15.000 I was pretty good at Taekwondo.

00:45:18.000 I won a bunch of state championships and won a few national tournaments.

00:45:23.000 When did you know you wanted to get physical with another human being and do this stuff?

00:45:26.000 You can't be in the right frame of mind to want to do this stuff.

00:45:29.000 You've got to realize that.

00:45:30.000 I was very scared.

00:45:32.000 People that do this stuff are not in the right frame of mind.

00:45:33.000 And that's dealing with fear drives you insane.

00:45:36.000 To deal with that drives people insane.

00:45:38.000 I was insane during my career.

00:45:40.000 You're madly insane from fear.

00:45:42.000 Yeah, obviously I never went through anything like the level that you went through, but for these full contact taekwondo fights, I was always scared.

00:45:49.000 But I was scared before that.

00:45:51.000 I was bullied.

00:45:51.000 I moved around a lot.

00:45:53.000 I was a little kid.

00:45:53.000 I was never very big.

00:45:55.000 And we moved from New Jersey to San Francisco when I was seven, from San Francisco to Florida when I was 11, Florida to Boston when I was 14 or 13. So it's just always moving to new schools, always dealing with new kids,

00:46:10.000 and I wasn't big, and I didn't know how to fight, and I got picked on, and I didn't like it.

00:46:14.000 So I said, I want to figure out how to fight.

00:46:16.000 And so I started getting into martial arts, and I just became obsessed with it.

00:46:20.000 I did it every day.

00:46:20.000 I started teaching.

00:46:21.000 I was teaching at Boston University.

00:46:23.000 I was teaching the Taekwondo course when I was 19. I was competing from the time I was 15. I just threw myself into it.

00:46:29.000 It's all I did every day.

00:46:30.000 I worked at the school.

00:46:31.000 I was there every day.

00:46:32.000 I had the keys.

00:46:32.000 I closed up.

00:46:33.000 I opened up.

00:46:34.000 And because of you, because of hearing about you, when you were running in the morning, when you knew that everybody else was asleep, that gave you an edge, I'd go there in the middle of the night and open up and work out.

00:46:43.000 I just wanted to just have an edge.

00:46:45.000 And I listened to what you said, and I said, that's a great way to have an edge.

00:46:48.000 I became obsessed with it.

00:46:49.000 But there was no future in it.

00:46:51.000 And then...

00:46:52.000 What happened was I went from Taekwondo to kickboxing, and when I started kickboxing, I started getting fucked up.

00:46:59.000 Dudes were beating the shit out of me because I was realizing I can't keep people at the same distance anymore because I didn't know how to use my hands properly.

00:47:05.000 I knew how to throw some punches a little bit from Taekwondo, but it's not nearly as sophisticated as boxing or kickboxing.

00:47:12.000 And so then I started kickboxing training, and then I started realizing there's no future in this.

00:47:16.000 What am I doing?

00:47:17.000 I'm just getting my brains beat in.

00:47:20.000 Hard sparring too.

00:47:21.000 The sparring was rough.

00:47:22.000 It was Boston style.

00:47:25.000 Put the gloves on.

00:47:26.000 Beat the shit out of each other.

00:47:27.000 Figure it out as you go along.

00:47:28.000 Yeah, you ain't go like shit.

00:47:29.000 Figure it out as you go along.

00:47:30.000 Figure it out as you go along.

00:47:31.000 So a lot of headaches.

00:47:33.000 But it was...

00:47:35.000 It was hard for me to shut that part of me off, the part of me that just wanted to conquer, the part of me that just wanted to win all the time, to figure out a way to be more intense, more driven, more focused.

00:47:45.000 But when I did stop fighting, it was a huge relief.

00:47:48.000 The relief part was worth the extra anxiety that I got.

00:47:53.000 It was worth it just for the relief of not thinking about fighting all the time, not thinking about when's the next tournament, when's the next event, when's the next thing I'm doing.

00:48:04.000 It was just that weight.

00:48:06.000 Well, for you, it had to be way crazier because not only is it the weight, it's the heavyweight championship of the world.

00:48:11.000 I always wanted to make my mentor happy.

00:48:13.000 Yeah.

00:48:14.000 That was my goal, to make him happy all the time.

00:48:16.000 When he died, was it weird not having a person like that in your life?

00:48:20.000 Oh man, it was so...

00:48:21.000 Man, it was just emptiness.

00:48:23.000 It was just...

00:48:24.000 And then people who we thought were our friends and that we said were going to be good to it, they just started...

00:48:28.000 When he died, they just started going in for the kill.

00:48:30.000 They just wanted to grasp me for means.

00:48:33.000 Well, it seemed like you and Kevin Rooney had a good combination at the beginning.

00:48:36.000 When he died, when Cuss died...

00:48:41.000 We didn't know what we were going to do.

00:48:42.000 They were thinking about getting rid of Kevin or something.

00:48:44.000 I was thinking, I didn't want to be with nobody else.

00:48:47.000 I was comfortable with Kevin in the style and the way we were working.

00:48:49.000 I didn't want to be with nobody else.

00:48:50.000 I said, no, let's just keep Kevin.

00:48:52.000 Yeah, and Kevin was a great trainer, too.

00:48:54.000 For me, he was.

00:48:54.000 Very well-respected trainer.

00:48:56.000 Yeah, it was a good relationship, like the way it worked in the beginning, it looked like.

00:49:01.000 But then, like all things, you know?

00:49:03.000 Kevin used to train me and then fight, and I'm fighting on his undercard.

00:49:07.000 Oh, really?

00:49:08.000 Yeah.

00:49:08.000 Wow.

00:49:11.000 Wow.

00:49:12.000 Was he training you before Cuss died as well?

00:49:18.000 Well, yeah.

00:49:19.000 How many years before Cuss died was he holding the mitts for you?

00:49:23.000 Just a couple.

00:49:24.000 But he knew you well?

00:49:25.000 Yes.

00:49:26.000 He knew the style well.

00:49:27.000 Did he watch fights with you as well?

00:49:29.000 Or were you watching those fights by yourself?

00:49:30.000 Every now and then we were watching fights.

00:49:31.000 Once we started training with each other, we started watching fights together.

00:49:37.000 Because that was the other thing, too.

00:49:39.000 Your style, the way you would come out, was so reminiscent of old fighters.

00:49:43.000 When you'd come out with no socks on, black shoes.

00:49:45.000 That was wild.

00:49:46.000 My mind, I'm thinking, was all about gladiator and being tough.

00:49:50.000 I would never think, I look at it now, look at that silly little kid.

00:49:53.000 What does that silly kid think he's tough?

00:49:55.000 I would think this guy thinks he's tough.

00:49:58.000 Well, you were tough, man.

00:49:59.000 I know what you're saying.

00:50:00.000 I know what you're saying, but you were.

00:50:02.000 When you fought Marvis Frazier on, what is that, ABC World of Sports?

00:50:05.000 Yeah, remember those days ABC had fights?

00:50:07.000 I remember watching that fight going, holy shit.

00:50:11.000 Holy shit.

00:50:11.000 That was like being locked into a ring with a tornado.

00:50:14.000 That was wild days.

00:50:15.000 Yeah, that was a tough kid.

00:50:17.000 That was your peak.

00:50:18.000 That was when it was peak scary.

00:50:21.000 You know, you were coming up and everybody was just terrified.

00:50:24.000 It's just a wild thing to watch, man.

00:50:26.000 To be a part of it?

00:50:27.000 To be you?

00:50:27.000 Yeah, I wanted to make my mentor real happy though.

00:50:30.000 That's my main goal in fighting.

00:50:32.000 It's a powerful goal.

00:50:34.000 Yeah.

00:50:35.000 Did you ever try to go back and get hypnotized after all that's over to try to maybe calm down that part of your mind that they turned on?

00:50:43.000 No, I never did.

00:50:45.000 The toe, I think, helped me out.

00:50:46.000 The toe?

00:50:47.000 Yeah, none of that stuff would help me out.

00:50:50.000 Did weed help you out at all?

00:50:51.000 Pretty much, you know what I mean?

00:50:53.000 But I had to do it every day.

00:50:54.000 I had to do it all the time.

00:50:55.000 I had to do it all the time then.

00:50:57.000 If I went to another country and I didn't have my weed, I'd be insane.

00:51:00.000 I'd say, what?

00:51:01.000 No weed?

00:51:01.000 I got to be here a couple of days, a week, a month?

00:51:04.000 Get the hell out of here.

00:51:07.000 Yeah.

00:51:08.000 The rest of the world will catch up eventually.

00:51:10.000 They'll catch up eventually.

00:51:11.000 It's slowly happening.

00:51:12.000 We were talking about it before the show started, that just a few years ago, if you smoked weed, you felt like you were a criminal.

00:51:19.000 Yeah, you had to hide it all the time, look around.

00:51:20.000 You're looking around, look at a cop.

00:51:22.000 It's still like that in New York.

00:51:23.000 I was in New York recently.

00:51:25.000 We had to hide weed.

00:51:27.000 That's crazy.

00:51:27.000 It's still illegal there.

00:51:28.000 I'm like, how is this New York City in 2019?

00:51:30.000 So antiquated, right?

00:51:31.000 It's so stupid.

00:51:32.000 It just doesn't make any sense.

00:51:34.000 Especially when, like, we're both high right now.

00:51:37.000 Man, the kite.

00:51:38.000 It's fine.

00:51:39.000 Everything's good.

00:51:40.000 Having a nice conversation.

00:51:41.000 Beautiful.

00:51:42.000 I agree.

00:51:43.000 I totally agree.

00:51:45.000 How many fights did Jim Jacobs have in that library?

00:51:49.000 I don't know.

00:51:50.000 Thousands of them, man.

00:51:51.000 I watched thousands.

00:51:51.000 Guys fighting in 1898. I watched them all.

00:51:55.000 Wow.

00:51:56.000 Who were standouts for you outside of the stand?

00:51:59.000 Obviously, Jack Johnson.

00:52:01.000 Yeah, he was awesome, too.

00:52:03.000 He was just amazing.

00:52:04.000 He was ahead of his time fighting.

00:52:06.000 There's also little guys like Tony Cantaneri, Henry Armstrong, Barney Ross, guys like that.

00:52:11.000 Benny Leonard.

00:52:12.000 These guys are just...

00:52:13.000 They evolved boxing to the level where it can evolve to now.

00:52:16.000 They were superstars in their time.

00:52:18.000 Who was that crazy middleweight who went up to fight Jack Johnson and dropped him?

00:52:21.000 Yeah, Stanley Ketchum.

00:52:22.000 That's right.

00:52:23.000 He's a badass.

00:52:23.000 That motherfucker could punch.

00:52:24.000 Yeah, he's a badass.

00:52:26.000 He got killed.

00:52:27.000 Yeah.

00:52:27.000 By a guy's crime.

00:52:28.000 Yeah, because he stole this guy's girlfriend.

00:52:30.000 Yeah.

00:52:31.000 And he was a tough guy.

00:52:31.000 I was like, what are you going to do about it?

00:52:32.000 Beat the guy up.

00:52:33.000 He disrespected the guy.

00:52:34.000 And the guy came back and shot him.

00:52:36.000 Yeah.

00:52:36.000 Standing kitchen was a real wild and crazy guy.

00:52:39.000 Well, most of the greats were.

00:52:41.000 Yeah, he was wild.

00:52:43.000 But feel it.

00:52:44.000 Didn't feel anyone.

00:52:45.000 When you talk about your life and the way you were living, if you go back to most of the greats, like Roberto Duran, he was a wild motherfucker too.

00:52:51.000 He was beautiful.

00:52:53.000 It was beautiful.

00:52:53.000 He had rhythm with it.

00:52:54.000 Yeah.

00:52:55.000 There's so many of the greats were just wild, wild people.

00:52:58.000 I think it's that fear that brings that out of you.

00:53:01.000 Yeah.

00:53:02.000 But then there were some greats that were just real disciplined.

00:53:05.000 Like Marvin Hagler is my best example for that.

00:53:08.000 When I was a kid growing up in Boston, Hagler was the middleweight champion of the world.

00:53:12.000 And I used to see, they used to have video of him running.

00:53:14.000 They played it on the news.

00:53:16.000 He was running on the, there was the dunes, sand dunes in Cape Cod in the winter, freezing cold, with a hoodie on, running, screaming, war, war!

00:53:24.000 Crazy, right?

00:53:25.000 Oh, it was amazing.

00:53:26.000 Marvin Hagler made you want to just get out of your house and go running in the snow.

00:53:30.000 You know, he was so disciplined.

00:53:32.000 That was the thing that I always got out of watching him.

00:53:34.000 Wasn't that he was so wild.

00:53:36.000 He was so mentally strong.

00:53:37.000 He had an iron chin.

00:53:39.000 And his discipline was impeccable.

00:53:42.000 He was just constantly training.

00:53:44.000 Never out of shape.

00:53:45.000 Never got fat.

00:53:46.000 Always doing sit-ups and push-ups.

00:53:49.000 He was a ferocious animal racer.

00:53:51.000 Body.

00:53:51.000 Yeah.

00:53:52.000 Oh, he was chiseled.

00:53:53.000 He was a machine.

00:53:54.000 That fight with Tommy Hearns.

00:53:55.000 Oh, man.

00:53:56.000 That was beautiful.

00:53:57.000 That was one of the greatest middleweight encounters of all time.

00:53:59.000 I remember that fight.

00:53:59.000 Chaos.

00:54:00.000 I mean, it's skillful.

00:54:02.000 We didn't know what was going to happen.

00:54:02.000 We thought they were going to stop the fight.

00:54:03.000 I thought they were going to stop the fight.

00:54:05.000 Tommy Hearns was going to be the winner.

00:54:06.000 As skillful as they were, they decided to just smash.

00:54:11.000 Just get into the center and fucking fight.

00:54:14.000 There was no, like, Tommy Hearns should have tried to use his jab, boxing the outside.

00:54:18.000 You're not going to keep Marvin Hagler off you.

00:54:20.000 You can't keep Marvin Hagler off you.

00:54:20.000 Marvin Hagler turned into a dogfight.

00:54:22.000 If you don't try to take him out, it's almost crazy.

00:54:24.000 You can't box him like that.

00:54:25.000 You know, Sugar Ray Leonard did that, but they weren't at their prime then.

00:54:28.000 Yeah.

00:54:29.000 I wanted to see those two guys in their primaries go at it.

00:54:32.000 Yeah, Sugar Ray Leonard, especially when he fought Hagler, he fought Hagler smart.

00:54:36.000 Stay the fuck away.

00:54:37.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:54:38.000 I heard the craziest rumor.

00:54:39.000 Tell me if this is the craziest rumor.

00:54:41.000 That Marvin Hagler decided to bet on himself for that fight, knew that he was going to lose.

00:54:51.000 They had it set up and then retired and went to Italy.

00:54:54.000 That's a ridiculous rumor, right?

00:54:55.000 Hey, I don't know what anybody did, but I never heard anything like that.

00:54:59.000 You never heard that one?

00:55:00.000 No.

00:55:01.000 But he's one of the most interesting end of careers ever.

00:55:04.000 I heard rumors that he didn't fight the fight that he should have fought that he knew he should have fought.

00:55:09.000 Right.

00:55:09.000 You know what I mean?

00:55:10.000 Well, the rumor was he went to Italy because the mob set everything up.

00:55:14.000 Something to that effect.

00:55:15.000 He went to Italy and became a giant movie star.

00:55:17.000 But he's the only guy that I can think of in recent memory that literally went out on top.

00:55:23.000 Had this unbelievably close fight with Sugar Ray Leonard.

00:55:26.000 A lot of people think he could have won that fight.

00:55:28.000 Very close decision.

00:55:29.000 And then says, that's it.

00:55:30.000 See ya.

00:55:31.000 I'm done.

00:55:32.000 Everybody comes back.

00:55:33.000 Marvin Hadley never came back.

00:55:37.000 I guess at one time, that's your whole life.

00:55:39.000 I'm surprised I never came back, because that was just my whole life.

00:55:42.000 That was my whole identity.

00:55:44.000 You know what I mean?

00:55:45.000 But when you did retire, and when you retired in the ring, that was the most honest retirement speech I've ever heard a boxer give, ever.

00:55:52.000 You're just like, I don't have this in me anymore.

00:55:55.000 No, I just wasn't in there anymore.

00:55:58.000 That was pretty bizarre for myself, because this is what I based my life on doing.

00:56:02.000 When I first started doing it, I said I'm going to dedicate my life to this stuff.

00:56:07.000 You have to see that it's no longer going to happen.

00:56:09.000 It's pretty weird.

00:56:10.000 When did you know that you didn't want to do it anymore?

00:56:13.000 I've known years before that, but I was still being very successful.

00:56:16.000 Yeah.

00:56:17.000 Like, when?

00:56:17.000 Like, what year?

00:56:18.000 Do you remember around when you started thinking it?

00:56:20.000 I remember.

00:56:23.000 Probably around, what, the 2000 area?

00:56:26.000 So, by the time...

00:56:27.000 That's post-Holyfield?

00:56:30.000 Yeah, after all.

00:56:31.000 And you had done too much.

00:56:34.000 I was just winning them, just winning, beating guys.

00:56:36.000 You know, guys get hit or something, and some guys be so scared.

00:56:40.000 Yeah.

00:56:42.000 What did you have in mind?

00:56:44.000 Like, that's the hardest thing, right?

00:56:45.000 To swing from that to the next thing.

00:56:47.000 Like, how do you take this crazy, exciting life?

00:56:51.000 I don't know.

00:56:52.000 I just decided, listen, let me just get high for a while.

00:56:55.000 And figure this out.

00:56:56.000 That was the plan?

00:56:57.000 Yeah.

00:56:58.000 Let me party for a while and figure this stuff out.

00:57:02.000 What did you figure out?

00:57:04.000 That I wanted to do other things.

00:57:06.000 So I started my wife...

00:57:09.000 Arranged for me to be this lesbian on stage.

00:57:13.000 She created the live show?

00:57:15.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:57:16.000 That's a brilliant idea.

00:57:17.000 Because you're also the first fighter that ever did that.

00:57:19.000 Because many fighters have great stories.

00:57:21.000 But very few of them have ever, I don't think anybody besides you, has ever put it into a theatrical thing.

00:57:26.000 Man, it's just amazing.

00:57:27.000 We did it in Monaco.

00:57:29.000 We did it in Rome.

00:57:30.000 We did it in a amount of various places.

00:57:34.000 And I just can't believe that people want to see that stuff.

00:57:37.000 Well, like I said, the documentary was amazing.

00:57:39.000 So people wanted to hear the live version of you talking about it and to see you live in person.

00:57:44.000 Because the first time we did it...

00:57:48.000 The first time we did it on Broadway, that is, right?

00:57:51.000 We were really not sure about how it was going to turn out.

00:57:54.000 So we invited all of our friends.

00:57:57.000 We had tickets and gave all of our friends and people we love, our names, and we brought them to the show.

00:58:01.000 And so when we started, they started laughing.

00:58:03.000 Everybody started laughing.

00:58:04.000 I ran to my wife.

00:58:05.000 I ran up and said, baby, what's going on?

00:58:07.000 Is everything okay?

00:58:08.000 You know, I didn't want the show to be a comedy.

00:58:10.000 It turned out to be a comedy.

00:58:11.000 It was supposed to be a hard, gritty show about a tough guy that made it through his toughness.

00:58:15.000 And it just came up about me just talking about myself, how much a smug I am.

00:58:22.000 And they loved it.

00:58:23.000 I think that was part of it.

00:58:25.000 Everybody knew you were this tough guy, but they didn't know that you could be so self-deprecating and have so much fun with it all.

00:58:33.000 That's why people loved it.

00:58:36.000 They're doing the writing for my movie and stuff.

00:58:39.000 I haven't seen it in anything, but it's going to be pretty wild.

00:58:41.000 Who's playing you in a movie?

00:58:43.000 I don't know, there's been various people, but most likely you want Jamie Foxx to do it.

00:58:49.000 He could do it.

00:58:50.000 He could do anything.

00:58:51.000 He could do anything, right?

00:58:52.000 Anything.

00:58:53.000 That guy could be the fucking President of the United States.

00:58:55.000 He could be a pilot that goes to the moon.

00:58:57.000 He could do whatever the fuck he wants.

00:58:58.000 I want him to do it, yeah.

00:59:00.000 He could do whatever he wants.

00:59:01.000 He'll probably bulk up like crazy, too, to do it.

00:59:04.000 It's gonna be really wild.

00:59:06.000 Yeah.

00:59:06.000 Jamie could pull it off.

00:59:08.000 Michael Jai White pulled it off.

00:59:10.000 Huh?

00:59:10.000 Michael Jai White.

00:59:11.000 He can't do it like Jamie, I don't think.

00:59:14.000 I don't know.

00:59:15.000 I thought he didn't do a bad guy.

00:59:16.000 A lot of people didn't like what he did, but I thought he did a good job.

00:59:18.000 I think he did a good job.

00:59:19.000 I loved him in Spawn.

00:59:20.000 He's a great guy.

00:59:21.000 Do you know him well?

00:59:21.000 No.

00:59:22.000 He's a great guy.

00:59:22.000 Great guy.

00:59:23.000 Very smart guy.

00:59:24.000 Very humble guy.

00:59:26.000 Really, really intelligent.

00:59:27.000 And a great martial artist, too.

00:59:28.000 Michael Jai White.

00:59:30.000 There's a Kilkishin karate black belt.

00:59:32.000 Did he fight in the UFC? No.

00:59:35.000 When he was fighting, there was no UFC around, but he did a lot of karate tournaments and stuff.

00:59:39.000 He's very good.

00:59:40.000 I've watched him train before.

00:59:41.000 He's legit.

00:59:42.000 Very legit.

00:59:43.000 But like I said, real, real good guy.

00:59:45.000 But yeah, I agree.

00:59:46.000 Jamie Foxx, man.

00:59:47.000 Jamie Foxx is on another planet.

00:59:49.000 He's just got this level of competence and skill and artistry in his singing, in his comedy, in his acting.

00:59:57.000 He could do anything.

00:59:58.000 He could play you.

01:00:00.000 Is he gonna hang out with you for a while?

01:00:01.000 I don't know what he's gonna do.

01:00:02.000 He's gotta.

01:00:03.000 He's gotta hang out with you.

01:00:06.000 He's gonna be pretty awesome.

01:00:07.000 He's gotta hang out with you.

01:00:09.000 Gotta absorb it, right?

01:00:10.000 Yeah, let's see how that works out.

01:00:12.000 Are you going to be his consultant?

01:00:14.000 Are you going to be like, bitch, I would have never said that.

01:00:16.000 I would like to say that, yeah.

01:00:18.000 I'd like to be a consultant.

01:00:20.000 But for some reason, they have their Hollywood ways of doing things.

01:00:25.000 Yeah.

01:00:26.000 You know what I mean?

01:00:27.000 They make it come out Hollywood-ish, I guess.

01:00:29.000 Yeah.

01:00:31.000 It's just really wild how they try to switch it to appear presentable.

01:00:37.000 Right.

01:00:38.000 Yeah, they try to change the story.

01:00:40.000 And you know what else I realized, too?

01:00:41.000 From a Hollywood perspective, some things that are real are just still unbelievable.

01:00:46.000 Yeah, by itself.

01:00:48.000 Yeah, some things that really is unbelievable.

01:00:50.000 Yeah, well, do you know that movie, Foxcatcher?

01:00:52.000 Did you know that movie?

01:00:53.000 Yeah, the wrestling movie.

01:00:54.000 I remember that story of the young guy.

01:00:55.000 I remember that.

01:00:56.000 Yeah, that guy, Mark Schultz.

01:00:59.000 It was Dave Schultz and Mark Schultz.

01:01:01.000 Dave Schultz is the one who got murdered.

01:01:03.000 Mark Schultz is the guy who fought in the UFC. Here's what's crazy about that movie.

01:01:07.000 I don't know how much of that movie is accurate.

01:01:09.000 I don't know.

01:01:10.000 I wasn't there.

01:01:10.000 But what I do know is the one thing that I for sure know happened, they changed.

01:01:15.000 When he fought in the UFC, Mark only fought in the UFC once.

01:01:18.000 He fought a guy named Big Daddy Goodrich.

01:01:21.000 Gary Big Daddy Goodrich.

01:01:22.000 Black guy, right?

01:01:23.000 Yeah.

01:01:23.000 I know who that is.

01:01:23.000 Big black guy wore karate gi and then eventually got rid of the gi later in his career.

01:01:27.000 But he's a legend.

01:01:28.000 Big Daddy's a legend.

01:01:30.000 In the movie, it's not Big Daddy.

01:01:31.000 In the movie, he's fighting some white guy.

01:01:33.000 It doesn't make any sense.

01:01:35.000 They changed who he's fighting.

01:01:38.000 It's a historical event.

01:01:39.000 It's like if you, for whatever reason, they decided to not have you fight Trevor Burbick, you fought someone else.

01:01:45.000 Like you fought Jerry Cooney for the title or something.

01:01:47.000 Yeah, that would be bizarre.

01:01:48.000 They'd be like, why would you change history?

01:01:49.000 I hope they don't do nothing.

01:01:51.000 I can't want to do if they do something like that.

01:01:53.000 They did it with the UFC when they did it with Foxcatcher.

01:01:57.000 Right, but it doesn't make it any better.

01:01:58.000 That's what's crazy.

01:01:59.000 It doesn't make the movie any better to have him fight a Russian guy.

01:02:02.000 Doesn't make any sense.

01:02:04.000 He's known in the UFC. Especially for people like me that are in the audience that go, oh, look, look who's playing Big Daddy.

01:02:11.000 How do you do with Big Daddy?

01:02:12.000 Big Daddy's tough.

01:02:14.000 He took Big Daddy down at Will.

01:02:15.000 He did whatever he wanted to him.

01:02:17.000 He's Mark Schultz.

01:02:18.000 He was a motherfucker of a wrestler.

01:02:21.000 I mean, him and his brother were savages.

01:02:23.000 They were savages.

01:02:24.000 They were just made out of steel rope.

01:02:26.000 What was the deal with that guy?

01:02:27.000 How'd they hook up with that guy?

01:02:28.000 The guy was really, really rich.

01:02:30.000 And there's no money in amateur wrestling.

01:02:32.000 And these guys, a lot of them are really struggling.

01:02:35.000 When they're trying to make the Olympics team, I mean, they're getting by, barely.

01:02:38.000 They barely have enough money for healthy food.

01:02:40.000 And they need sponsors.

01:02:41.000 And sometimes they get sponsors, like a rich guy who owns a business, you know, he loves the Olympics, he loves wrestling, maybe he wrestled in college, and he'll take care of them, maybe get them some vitamins, maybe...

01:02:52.000 And they have various people that help them with their training and their food.

01:02:55.000 But this guy came along and said, look, I'm going to build a gigantic facility to create the best wrestling program and pay you guys all money to come and train here.

01:03:03.000 And they couldn't help it.

01:03:04.000 It's like they were poor.

01:03:06.000 They didn't know what to do.

01:03:07.000 I understand that.

01:03:08.000 Yeah, and he was a guy who was like a trust fund guy.

01:03:10.000 He got all his money from his family.

01:03:12.000 And he was just some crazy rich asshole.

01:03:14.000 And he wound up shooting one of them.

01:03:17.000 Yeah.

01:03:18.000 I mean, that's what it is.

01:03:19.000 I mean, like you said, the story itself is fucking crazy enough.

01:03:23.000 The actual story.

01:03:24.000 They didn't have to change anything of it.

01:03:25.000 So I know they changed that part of it.

01:03:27.000 So who knows what else in the movie they added or changed or fucked with.

01:03:31.000 They fucked with something they didn't have to fuck with.

01:03:34.000 They went Hollywood with it in a way that they didn't have to do.

01:03:37.000 So it makes you question all the other things that happened in the movie.

01:03:41.000 That's pretty bizarre.

01:03:42.000 So for you, they can't do that.

01:03:45.000 Your life is crazy.

01:03:47.000 Insane.

01:03:47.000 You know what?

01:03:48.000 I was saying to myself, do I really want to do this stuff, man?

01:03:51.000 Do I really want to go on the screen with my life and be sincere with these people?

01:03:55.000 Yeah.

01:03:55.000 I said, do I really need that?

01:03:56.000 You know, I've been thinking about that recently.

01:03:58.000 Do I really need this stuff?

01:03:59.000 And this cannabis business is getting ready to pop off and do really well.

01:04:04.000 I'm saying, I don't really...

01:04:05.000 Do I really need this money that bad?

01:04:07.000 It's not going to hurt you.

01:04:08.000 It's not going to hurt you.

01:04:09.000 It's going to help you.

01:04:09.000 Anything helps you at this point.

01:04:11.000 You're so honest that anything that you've done in the past that you're embarrassed about or shameful of, it's just better.

01:04:18.000 It's just better for you.

01:04:19.000 You made mistakes.

01:04:20.000 People can learn from them.

01:04:22.000 These are beneficial.

01:04:23.000 Watching someone like you talk about your life is beneficial for people because you learn how you can overcome these experiences, how bad things can be for you.

01:04:32.000 You learn how bad you can fuck up.

01:04:34.000 And people need to see shit like that.

01:04:36.000 It's good for civilization.

01:04:38.000 It's good for our culture.

01:04:40.000 I think so.

01:04:42.000 And plus a guy like you, who was...

01:04:44.000 Like I said, when I was a kid, you were the fucking man.

01:04:47.000 I mean, you were the fucking man.

01:04:50.000 To have a guy like you be self-deprecating, explaining, and laughing about things, it makes it even...

01:04:55.000 It sinks in more.

01:04:57.000 It's like you were saying...

01:04:58.000 We were saying about Cus D'Amato, that his wisdom is sunk in.

01:05:03.000 The gravel in his voice and the intensity in his eyes and the wisdom in his words, it sunk in.

01:05:09.000 I remembered his quotes for years afterwards because he lived so much, because he had so much.

01:05:15.000 And that's the same thing with you, man.

01:05:16.000 When you're talking about your life experiences, people listen.

01:05:20.000 They take it in because they know you lived an extraordinary life.

01:05:24.000 So they better not fuck this movie out.

01:05:26.000 Yeah, real extreme.

01:05:27.000 Extreme as it gets!

01:05:30.000 What's more extreme other than a soldier?

01:05:33.000 Those are the only people that live a more extreme life.

01:05:36.000 First responders, soldiers, firemen, police officers.

01:05:39.000 Wow.

01:05:39.000 Yeah, that's it.

01:05:40.000 I mean, they're seeing death and violence every day.

01:05:42.000 Other than them, you probably live the most extreme life ever.

01:05:47.000 Who the fuck can relate to you?

01:05:48.000 Do you ever get together with other, like, world-class pro boxers that have...

01:05:52.000 No, but the guy that do get into it, the guy you talk about, the veterans and stuff.

01:05:55.000 Yeah.

01:05:56.000 They be telling me weird stuff, you know?

01:05:57.000 Oh, man.

01:05:58.000 Yeah, talk to SEALs about their time deployed.

01:06:00.000 I'm surprised they don't take themselves out.

01:06:02.000 A lot of those guys, they're on the dark side.

01:06:06.000 Well, a lot of those guys are finding some relief in the same things that you found relief in.

01:06:10.000 They find relief in DMT and other psychedelics, mushrooms.

01:06:14.000 I think that could be a great benefit to a lot of our veterans.

01:06:17.000 I believe that 100% too.

01:06:18.000 I don't know why they don't want to dabble in this stuff.

01:06:21.000 Yeah.

01:06:22.000 What do you think would have happened to you if you got a hold of that stuff while you were in your prime?

01:06:27.000 I don't know.

01:06:28.000 I don't think maybe I want to be a fighter then.

01:06:30.000 Yeah.

01:06:31.000 Maybe I wouldn't want to be a fighter.

01:06:33.000 Damn, DMT might have derailed it.

01:06:35.000 Yeah.

01:06:37.000 I might want to love everybody.

01:06:39.000 You know, that's what makes you feel like when you come out of it, you say, I love you.

01:06:43.000 Yeah.

01:06:43.000 If they love everybody.

01:06:45.000 Yeah.

01:06:46.000 Well, my hope is that with great organizations like MAPS, that one day people will be able to see things, like everybody will be able to see things the way you do.

01:06:57.000 And then we'll all have this understanding of what these things are.

01:07:00.000 They're tools that can help us.

01:07:02.000 All these things.

01:07:02.000 Including marijuana.

01:07:04.000 It's a tool to help us.

01:07:05.000 You could abuse any tool.

01:07:07.000 You could abuse any tool there is.

01:07:09.000 You could take a hammer and hit yourself in the head if you're stupid.

01:07:11.000 You could abuse anything.

01:07:12.000 But you could also use it.

01:07:14.000 Build yourself a beautiful house.

01:07:16.000 And with cannabis, you could use it.

01:07:19.000 It makes you a nicer person.

01:07:21.000 It does.

01:07:21.000 It makes you more.

01:07:22.000 I feel more vulnerable.

01:07:23.000 I have more of a sense of community.

01:07:25.000 I'm always hugging people when I'm high.

01:07:26.000 I want to hug everybody.

01:07:28.000 I agree.

01:07:29.000 It's a better feeling.

01:07:30.000 It makes you feel kind.

01:07:34.000 I agree.

01:07:35.000 I like feeling kind.

01:07:36.000 What is it like for you to watch boxing these days?

01:07:41.000 It's just not in my life anymore.

01:07:43.000 You don't watch it at all?

01:07:44.000 Or did you watch Tyson Fury, Deontay Wilder?

01:07:45.000 No, I didn't watch it.

01:07:46.000 I didn't watch it.

01:07:46.000 Oh, it was a great fight.

01:07:47.000 I was in the air flying when they were fighting.

01:07:49.000 Oh, really?

01:07:50.000 Yeah.

01:07:50.000 You didn't watch any of the highlights or anything?

01:07:52.000 I saw some of the highlights, yes.

01:07:54.000 How crazy is Deontay Wilder's power?

01:07:56.000 Good stuff.

01:07:57.000 Crazy, right?

01:07:57.000 Because he's built so strange.

01:07:59.000 He's 209 pounds.

01:08:00.000 How incredible is Tyson's chore?

01:08:03.000 Incredible.

01:08:04.000 And gets up and wins the rest of the round.

01:08:06.000 That's what's really incredible.

01:08:07.000 It's an amazing, amazing fight.

01:08:09.000 Good stuff.

01:08:09.000 Yeah.

01:08:10.000 So you don't follow any of it today?

01:08:13.000 No.

01:08:15.000 That's part of my life.

01:08:18.000 I got mixed feelings with that part of my life.

01:08:21.000 A lot of stuff that I don't like about myself and stuff.

01:08:26.000 I try to forget that stuff because I'm on a whole different pattern.

01:08:32.000 So even watching other people box...

01:08:34.000 I don't even watch nothing.

01:08:36.000 I try to stay away as much as possible.

01:08:38.000 So watching other people box makes you think about yourself when you're fighting?

01:08:41.000 Reminds you of it?

01:08:42.000 Kind of, yeah.

01:08:44.000 I always say, these guys are so much nicer than I was.

01:08:46.000 You know what I mean?

01:08:47.000 These are cool guys, man.

01:08:50.000 Yeah, right?

01:08:51.000 Like, who out...

01:08:52.000 Yeah, there's no one out there today that's got that mean, vicious persona anymore.

01:08:57.000 Yeah, these are nice guys.

01:08:58.000 Yeah, when you were in the ring doing a post-fight interview saying you wanted to eat your children, you wanted to eat someone's children, I remember saying, this is the craziest fucking post-fight interview.

01:09:07.000 It was about Lennox Lewis, right?

01:09:09.000 Yeah, it's a madman.

01:09:10.000 What's wrong with me?

01:09:12.000 I mean, it's a madman.

01:09:13.000 It was amazing.

01:09:15.000 It was amazing.

01:09:16.000 For the story, for the time, I mean, look, what it was was when we saw Rocky III, right?

01:09:22.000 And Mr. T was challenging Rocky, and he would say all that crazy shit about what he was going to do.

01:09:28.000 My prediction?

01:09:29.000 Pain!

01:09:30.000 That was beautiful, right?

01:09:30.000 It was beautiful!

01:09:31.000 What you did is you took that and just cranked it up to 11 and threw gasoline on it and lit it on fire.

01:09:37.000 You just took that kind of ferocious shit talking.

01:09:40.000 Yeah, I look at some of those press conferences in a long time and what I'm saying to these guys, I would never talk to anybody like that.

01:09:45.000 You know, it's just such a different world now.

01:09:46.000 My world is so different now.

01:09:48.000 Do you feel when you watch that stuff that you feel almost like trapped by that past, like that you have to acknowledge it?

01:09:55.000 You don't even acknowledge it anymore?

01:09:57.000 Yeah, I'm almost a little bit like, I don't want to be involved.

01:09:59.000 I wish that never happened.

01:10:00.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:10:02.000 But it kind of had to happen for you to be who you are now.

01:10:05.000 Yeah, but no, it's because people, this is the real reason, right, Joe?

01:10:08.000 People still, people love that guy.

01:10:10.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:10:11.000 People love that.

01:10:12.000 I didn't like that guy that much.

01:10:13.000 So I have my, I'm conflicting with people that like that guy and me living my life that I am living now.

01:10:18.000 Yeah.

01:10:19.000 Well, people love that guy because that guy gave them a drug, and that drug was excitement.

01:10:23.000 Like, you'd turn on the TV, like, oh shit, here we go, Michael Spinks, Mike Tyson, here we go, and boom!

01:10:29.000 Oh!

01:10:30.000 That's what people wanted.

01:10:32.000 They wanted that excitement.

01:10:33.000 They knew some crazy shit was about to go down.

01:10:35.000 Unpredictable.

01:10:36.000 No one knows what's going to happen in a fight.

01:10:38.000 Is it going to be a right or a left?

01:10:39.000 Is he going to move right?

01:10:40.000 Is he going to move left?

01:10:41.000 How's it going to work out?

01:10:42.000 You don't know.

01:10:43.000 How long can Spinks last?

01:10:44.000 You don't know.

01:10:45.000 And everybody was excited.

01:10:46.000 And that's what you brought people.

01:10:48.000 You brought people this chaotic moment.

01:10:51.000 You slapped down the money in the pay-per-view.

01:10:53.000 You got out your popcorn and you waited for the rush.

01:10:55.000 The rush of excitement.

01:10:56.000 Those crazy days.

01:10:58.000 Crazy days.

01:11:00.000 Crazy.

01:11:01.000 I hate to keep bringing your head back to that, but just for me, as a kid growing up during that time, it was a big part of my becoming an adult.

01:11:12.000 It was during your era, your era of dominance.

01:11:15.000 I always look at my kids and I think, wow, these guys are pretty much...

01:11:22.000 Middle-class kids.

01:11:23.000 They live their life.

01:11:24.000 They do what they want.

01:11:24.000 They go to college and everything.

01:11:26.000 I would never want to put that pressure on my son that you have to be the total best.

01:11:29.000 You have to dominate everybody.

01:11:30.000 You're going to be the best that ever lived.

01:11:32.000 Put that kind of pressure on them.

01:11:34.000 That's incredible.

01:11:34.000 I would never do that to them.

01:11:36.000 Yeah, it would never work.

01:11:38.000 Probably.

01:11:38.000 I mean, I don't think a kid that grows up in a loving household with supportive parents...

01:11:42.000 Yeah, you guys are boxing for when you have nothing.

01:11:45.000 When you do boxing, when you just had nothing, because that's a lot of dedication, that's a lot of pain, that's a lot of aggravation.

01:11:53.000 It really is discovering who you are.

01:11:57.000 But you must be able to take pride in the fact that your children don't ever have to do that.

01:12:00.000 Oh, and that's why I took the punches, for they wouldn't have to do that.

01:12:04.000 I had my first mom.

01:12:05.000 I have this son of 16. He wanted to be a boxer.

01:12:07.000 I saw you working with him.

01:12:09.000 Get out of here!

01:12:10.000 Get out of here!

01:12:12.000 You stupid!

01:12:13.000 You go to private school.

01:12:15.000 You want to be a boxer and stuff?

01:12:19.000 You travel to European trips.

01:12:21.000 You do trips and all that stuff.

01:12:23.000 Vacation.

01:12:23.000 You want to be a fighter?

01:12:24.000 Get out of here!

01:12:25.000 You're a joke, man.

01:12:28.000 Joke, man.

01:12:30.000 And he's really serious.

01:12:31.000 I think he's serious, man.

01:12:32.000 I don't want nobody...

01:12:33.000 What are you going to do?

01:12:34.000 Fight some guy like me?

01:12:36.000 Some animal?

01:12:37.000 I don't want my kids to go through that crap.

01:12:39.000 That's degrading.

01:12:41.000 Some guy like that beating on you.

01:12:43.000 Yeah.

01:12:44.000 That's the thing.

01:12:45.000 The fuel that you had, the burning inferno inside you, you can't replicate that.

01:12:51.000 They don't understand that.

01:12:52.000 I don't know.

01:12:53.000 A lot of stuff inspires...

01:12:56.000 Shame inspires a lot of success.

01:12:58.000 Yeah.

01:12:58.000 You know?

01:12:59.000 Yeah.

01:12:59.000 They don't have to deal with that kind of shame.

01:13:01.000 Right, right.

01:13:03.000 Shame, pain.

01:13:04.000 Exactly.

01:13:05.000 Feeling of being left out.

01:13:06.000 Feeling of not belonging.

01:13:08.000 If I do this, I'm going to be...

01:13:09.000 Everybody's going to love me.

01:13:10.000 Yeah.

01:13:11.000 Crazy feeling.

01:13:12.000 Imagine to get people...

01:13:13.000 You want to be accepted so badly.

01:13:15.000 Yeah.

01:13:16.000 Imagine that.

01:13:17.000 You want to be accepted.

01:13:19.000 People to look at you.

01:13:20.000 And all in all.

01:13:21.000 What kind of mindset is that?

01:13:22.000 That's that ego.

01:13:23.000 You want people to just look at you.

01:13:24.000 Yeah.

01:13:25.000 You're a sick fuck.

01:13:26.000 Yeah.

01:13:33.000 Yeah, but it's beautiful that you could describe it that way now.

01:13:36.000 Like, you've stepped outside of it long enough.

01:13:38.000 Do you recognize what it was when it was overcoming you?

01:13:40.000 I was a sick guy.

01:13:41.000 I used to read stories of Alexander the Great, how this guy was a god.

01:13:44.000 I said, wow!

01:13:45.000 I want to be like that!

01:13:47.000 You know, this is crazy.

01:13:49.000 It's just crazy how you get inspired to believe that you're more than what you are.

01:13:53.000 Well, it was also those feelings of conquering were giving you the first success and good feelings of your life.

01:13:59.000 And the fact that they programmed you.

01:14:01.000 I mean, that's something that I don't think a lot of people are aware of.

01:14:04.000 The hypnotism.

01:14:06.000 The hypnotism and the putting those thoughts into your mind, which were...

01:14:10.000 Hugely beneficial.

01:14:11.000 You could tap into that mind zone right before you competed.

01:14:14.000 They gave you a clear path.

01:14:17.000 They gave you a clear path to use your fury with this very analytical approach with perfect boxing technique and an amazing mentor with incredible amount of knowledge and they just let you loose.

01:14:28.000 You have to be enthusiastic.

01:14:30.000 You have to be enthusiastic.

01:14:32.000 Yeah.

01:14:33.000 Bad intentions.

01:14:34.000 Yeah, being bad intentions and having enthusiasm when you're fighting.

01:14:37.000 Love every minute of it.

01:14:39.000 Yeah.

01:14:39.000 Look at you.

01:14:40.000 You're getting fired up again.

01:14:41.000 Yeah.

01:14:42.000 Crazy.

01:14:44.000 Do you work out anymore?

01:14:45.000 Nah, man.

01:14:46.000 I keep away from that stuff, man.

01:14:47.000 You don't even like spin class or anything?

01:14:50.000 No, all that stuff reactivates my ego.

01:14:54.000 Oh, really?

01:14:54.000 Yeah.

01:14:55.000 Oh, wow.

01:14:56.000 When I get ripped and all that stuff, I reactivate it.

01:14:59.000 That's the thing about extreme winners.

01:15:02.000 Extreme winners, that ego is hard to snuff out.

01:15:05.000 Yeah, if I activate my ego, I'm going to lose in life.

01:15:08.000 I'm going to lose.

01:15:08.000 I'm going to lose in this cannabis.

01:15:09.000 I'm going to lose everything.

01:15:11.000 What if you go jogging?

01:15:12.000 Can you go jogging?

01:15:14.000 Nah, I do my treadmill work and stuff.

01:15:16.000 Okay, treadmill.

01:15:17.000 That's it.

01:15:18.000 But if I start to think that I'm special, if I get a glimmer of that thing saying, hey, whoa, look at you.

01:15:24.000 You're better than them.

01:15:25.000 I saw a video you hit in the bag recently.

01:15:26.000 It was like a couple years ago.

01:15:28.000 Mm-hmm.

01:15:29.000 You still hit the bag?

01:15:30.000 Not anymore.

01:15:30.000 You still throw some bombs?

01:15:32.000 I do it probably for the camera and stuff.

01:15:33.000 Yeah, that's what you were doing, but I'm like, damn, you can still move.

01:15:36.000 You still have it in you, right?

01:15:37.000 I don't know.

01:15:38.000 But it's in your body.

01:15:39.000 It has to be in...

01:15:40.000 I don't want to know how to do that stuff again.

01:15:42.000 But does it feel weird, what I was going to get to, when, if you were standing in front of that heavy bag and you start rattling off combinations, and people, you start thinking, like, oh, shit.

01:15:51.000 I'm actually Mike Tyson.

01:15:53.000 Like, I was that guy.

01:15:54.000 I am that guy who went through that.

01:15:56.000 I am the youngest heavyweight champion of all time.

01:15:59.000 I am that guy that destroyed Tyrell Biggs.

01:16:03.000 I am that guy that knocked out Larry Holmes.

01:16:04.000 I'm that guy.

01:16:05.000 I look at that guy as somebody that's giving me a platform to help me forget about that guy.

01:16:11.000 Wow.

01:16:14.000 Yeah.

01:16:15.000 It's beautiful that you have that mindset.

01:16:18.000 It is.

01:16:19.000 Because most people who've accomplished as much as you have, they don't want to ever let the past go.

01:16:24.000 Oh shit, let that go.

01:16:25.000 Let it go.

01:16:26.000 Let it go.

01:16:27.000 Let it go.

01:16:28.000 But do you recognize that?

01:16:30.000 That's a beautiful part of your personality.

01:16:32.000 You had one of the most successful boxing careers ever, but you don't want nothing to do with it.

01:16:37.000 You don't want to acknowledge it exists.

01:16:39.000 You wish it went away.

01:16:40.000 In order to...

01:16:43.000 When you arrive to that next chapter in life, you have to forget the chapter that came before you and focus on the chapter ahead of you.

01:16:50.000 Yes.

01:16:51.000 That's a great lesson.

01:16:52.000 And coming from you, that lesson, I think, is going to hit home with a lot of people.

01:16:57.000 You think so?

01:16:57.000 Yes.

01:16:58.000 A hundred percent.

01:16:59.000 A hundred percent.

01:16:59.000 Because you accomplished so much.

01:17:01.000 Because you were the youngest heavyweight champion of all time, because you're the baddest man on the planet, this big hero for a lot of people like me when I was growing up, to see you now say, that's then.

01:17:10.000 I'm done.

01:17:11.000 Nothing.

01:17:11.000 I don't watch it.

01:17:13.000 I don't work out it.

01:17:14.000 I'm not even a part of that anymore.

01:17:15.000 I'm concentrating on my life right now, and I'm happy, and I love people.

01:17:18.000 You know, Joe, that's really crazy.

01:17:20.000 But when you think about this, listen, you know, being that person, that guy, that sent me to psych ward a couple of times.

01:17:25.000 That sent me to so many other places.

01:17:26.000 The prison.

01:17:27.000 Wow, that sent me places.

01:17:29.000 That guy is a trip.

01:17:31.000 That guy had you in underwear holding a tiger on a chain.

01:17:35.000 Yeah, that's a trip, man.

01:17:36.000 What did you go to the psych ward for?

01:17:39.000 It's been crazy, violent.

01:17:42.000 Probably thought about hurting myself or something crazy like that.

01:17:45.000 What do they do when they take you in the psych ward?

01:17:47.000 How do they treat you?

01:17:48.000 I don't know.

01:17:49.000 It's the same way everybody treat me.

01:17:51.000 This is Mike and stuff.

01:17:52.000 No, but I mean, how do they take care of you?

01:17:53.000 What do they do for you?

01:17:54.000 I mean, how do they take Mike Tyson and calm him down?

01:17:57.000 Just give me some fucking pills, some Thorzines or something.

01:18:01.000 Zone you out.

01:18:02.000 Be like a zombie.

01:18:03.000 You're in your zombie swagger then.

01:18:04.000 Yeah.

01:18:06.000 Yeah, that is what they do, huh?

01:18:08.000 Yeah.

01:18:08.000 Just calm you down medically, pharmaceutically.

01:18:11.000 It's a zombie.

01:18:12.000 Like a zombie that's looking at the television, don't know what's going on.

01:18:15.000 Well, you know what's going on, but you can't react to it.

01:18:17.000 Jesus.

01:18:18.000 And then once they got you calmed down enough, they go, all right, you can go.

01:18:22.000 I don't know.

01:18:22.000 I don't think I ever get calmed down enough.

01:18:24.000 They think it was time for me to go, and I had to go.

01:18:28.000 What is a day in the life of Mike Tyson like now?

01:18:31.000 Like, what is a typical day for you?

01:18:32.000 I get up in the morning, I go to my office.

01:18:35.000 My cannabis office.

01:18:36.000 We do deals and we get investments.

01:18:39.000 And I come home at 5 o'clock and I go see my kids unless I stay at the office later.

01:18:44.000 And I come home and I hang out with my wife and my kids.

01:18:47.000 It's a really bizarre life.

01:18:49.000 We stay in Newport Beach now.

01:18:51.000 Oh, that's nice.

01:18:52.000 It's very nice.

01:18:53.000 It's very upscale, but it's very quiet, too.

01:18:56.000 Not like Las Vegas at all.

01:18:58.000 No.

01:18:59.000 And then my daughter plays tennis up there, so we're pretty much situated up there.

01:19:03.000 It's not like I said, baby, can we move to Hollywood?

01:19:05.000 No, we can't go to Beverly Hills?

01:19:06.000 No, because all of our tennis requirements are here in Newport Beach, so we stay here.

01:19:11.000 Newport's nice, though.

01:19:12.000 It's a good place.

01:19:13.000 It's near the ocean.

01:19:14.000 It's got clean air.

01:19:15.000 Yeah, we see the ocean.

01:19:17.000 It's just different for me.

01:19:19.000 I bet.

01:19:20.000 Did you like living in Vegas though?

01:19:22.000 Because the fights were there all the time.

01:19:23.000 I loved Vegas.

01:19:23.000 It was always crazy and everything.

01:19:24.000 The fights did bring great parties though.

01:19:26.000 You could always go to some great parties.

01:19:28.000 That was always great.

01:19:30.000 So you've settled into this business life, it seems like, pretty easily.

01:19:34.000 You seem to be enjoying yourself.

01:19:36.000 Hey, it's something that I want to do.

01:19:38.000 It's a fresh start.

01:19:41.000 You know what I mean?

01:19:43.000 Since doing the total, my main objective and everything I've been embarking on and been involving myself with, it's all been because of a fresh start.

01:19:53.000 I feel fresh.

01:19:53.000 I feel new.

01:19:54.000 I feel that nothing could stop and nothing could be in my way.

01:19:57.000 And it's just an awesome feeling.

01:19:58.000 So this is from doing that one DMT experience that just sent you into...

01:20:02.000 Well, I did it one time, but I did it many times that day.

01:20:06.000 But yeah, I don't know what it is.

01:20:10.000 I'm trying to figure it out, but I've changed, but I still don't know how.

01:20:15.000 Yeah.

01:20:16.000 I describe it for a lot of people, it's like resetting a computer.

01:20:20.000 You reset a computer, you have a fresh new desktop, and there's only one folder on the desktop, and that folder says, my old bullshit.

01:20:27.000 Listen, stop.

01:20:29.000 I'm saying to myself right now, sometimes I'm wondering, this new feeling that I'm possessing right now, is it a real feeling?

01:20:35.000 Does this stuff really help?

01:20:36.000 Am I lying to myself again?

01:20:38.000 Until the next moment, that next feeling, come to do some drugs, to be with somebody else.

01:20:42.000 What's really going on?

01:20:43.000 Is that feeling going to come back?

01:20:44.000 Because at this moment, that feeling feels like it's never coming back.

01:20:48.000 It can never come back if you decide that it's never coming back.

01:20:51.000 But you have to make that decision pretty much every day.

01:20:54.000 But you can never come back if you want.

01:20:57.000 Or you could slip into the old ways.

01:20:59.000 That's what a lot of people do.

01:21:00.000 When a lot of people fall into drug addictions, relapsing, when they relapse, they're not physically addicted when they're relapsed.

01:21:07.000 Obviously, they're clean.

01:21:07.000 And then they decide to go back in.

01:21:09.000 It's because there's comfort in those old patterns.

01:21:12.000 Because this new way of life is just they get anxiety.

01:21:15.000 They feel like it's a lot of pressure to stay clean.

01:21:18.000 Oh, so explain it.

01:21:19.000 I hate that.

01:21:20.000 I always hated that old way.

01:21:21.000 I never wanted to do drugs.

01:21:23.000 But then I do them again.

01:21:24.000 I never wanted to hate a song, no, no!

01:21:27.000 What the heck?

01:21:31.000 No, come on, you understand what I'm saying?

01:21:32.000 No, I don't want...

01:21:33.000 Fuck, I don't want that!

01:21:35.000 And then once you do that, then you're going all out now.

01:21:38.000 You got the liquor there, the girl...

01:21:40.000 Oh, man, this is just a dark, dark, vicious cycle.

01:21:44.000 It's real dark.

01:21:45.000 Yeah, it's self-destructive.

01:21:47.000 It's all about ego-inflating and self-deprecating, self-destruction.

01:21:52.000 It also alleviates you from the responsibility of improving.

01:21:57.000 100% that pressure of like keeping it together staying sober You know being disciplined all that stuff once it's gone.

01:22:05.000 It's gone like I'm just fucking crazy.

01:22:06.000 I'm crazy This is just what I do.

01:22:08.000 I'm crazy and it's easy to fall into that trap and that's what happens to a lot of people who relapse with drugs I never want to go back to that again.

01:22:16.000 That's just a no-win situation.

01:22:19.000 That's one of the great things about marijuana that people don't understand.

01:22:22.000 They think that a drug is a drug is a drug.

01:22:25.000 They're all falling under the same category.

01:22:27.000 But you can use marijuana and just be peaceful and not chaotic.

01:22:32.000 The opposite will make you think more about the consequences of ruining your life.

01:22:38.000 Can they sound ridiculous?

01:22:42.000 I got a foot in Detroit, Michigan one time for Andrew Gulotta.

01:22:48.000 I got tested and I tested for marijuana.

01:22:53.000 They charged me $300,000.

01:22:55.000 Jesus Christ.

01:22:58.000 Find me $300,000.

01:23:00.000 That's a lot of money.

01:23:01.000 Where'd that money go?

01:23:02.000 Who took it?

01:23:03.000 The commission.

01:23:04.000 They broke it up.

01:23:05.000 They chopped it up and went and did coke with it.

01:23:08.000 That's what they did.

01:23:09.000 Yeah, that's crazy.

01:23:11.000 $300,000 for some weed in your system.

01:23:16.000 Now you're selling it.

01:23:17.000 Legally.

01:23:18.000 Yeah, and this is just a bizarre situation.

01:23:21.000 I'm just going with this bizarre world and see what happens.

01:23:24.000 It's beautiful, man.

01:23:25.000 I never thought you could do the self marijuana without being in that business.

01:23:28.000 I know.

01:23:28.000 At this stage in my life when it came at the right particular time.

01:23:32.000 I saw it online.

01:23:33.000 I saw Tyson Ranch online.

01:23:34.000 I saw something on Instagram or something.

01:23:36.000 And I was like, that makes sense.

01:23:38.000 Yeah.

01:23:39.000 Yeah, why not, man?

01:23:40.000 In this day and age, I mean, look, everybody loves you.

01:23:42.000 Why not go into business with people?

01:23:44.000 I never dreamt it, but it's just a no-brainer.

01:23:46.000 People are going to want to buy your weed just because they love you.

01:23:49.000 I want to distribute all over the world, too.

01:23:52.000 That's where it gets sketchy.

01:23:53.000 Yeah.

01:23:53.000 There's some spots in Asia you don't want to bring weed to.

01:23:56.000 No.

01:23:57.000 Singapore, you can get killed.

01:23:58.000 Oh, yeah.

01:23:59.000 No, but that's the business.

01:24:00.000 Some parts of the world that they accepted.

01:24:02.000 Yeah.

01:24:02.000 Like, I went to Europe to buy weed before.

01:24:05.000 I mean, and they were selling the plant.

01:24:07.000 They weren't selling the bud.

01:24:08.000 They were selling the plant.

01:24:09.000 You had to buy the plant and wait till the plant develop and make buds and all that stuff.

01:24:13.000 Wow.

01:24:13.000 Selling the plant.

01:24:14.000 I was like, what's that purpose?

01:24:16.000 They wanted you to grow your own.

01:24:18.000 Yeah.

01:24:18.000 That's the only way.

01:24:20.000 So you're working with a bunch of different growers.

01:24:22.000 Explain how you guys are setting it up.

01:24:25.000 The whole thing, we're working with other growers, but my main objective is to be distributors all over the country.

01:24:32.000 So, and also the ranch, where you're going to have like a destination.

01:24:36.000 That's going to be our resort there, and that's where people are going to come.

01:24:39.000 It's going to be like, what's that big concert thing?

01:24:43.000 We're going to have our own concerts there, Chinchella.

01:24:45.000 I forget the name of it.

01:24:46.000 Coachella.

01:24:46.000 Coachella, yeah.

01:24:47.000 Chinchella.

01:24:48.000 Coachella.

01:24:49.000 It's going to be something to that effect, yeah.

01:24:52.000 Oh, that's awesome.

01:24:53.000 So you're going to do shows down there too?

01:24:55.000 Absolutely, yeah.

01:24:55.000 We're going to do Miguel.

01:24:56.000 Miguel's going to be our first show.

01:24:58.000 When?

01:24:59.000 Miguel's going to be our first show in February.

01:25:01.000 Oh, wow.

01:25:02.000 Oh, that's amazing.

01:25:03.000 That's beautiful.

01:25:05.000 But listen, man, I'm very happy for you.

01:25:07.000 I'm happy to see this.

01:25:09.000 I'm happy to see this transition in you.

01:25:11.000 I'm happy to hear about your experiences.

01:25:14.000 And good luck, man.

01:25:15.000 Best of luck.

01:25:16.000 You need to come by because I'm going to be presenting at the Podcast Awards.

01:25:21.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

01:25:22.000 Yeah, that's coming up soon, isn't it?

01:25:23.000 Yeah, you going to be there?

01:25:24.000 No, I'm not going to be there.

01:25:26.000 When is that?

01:25:27.000 Be the hell out of me.

01:25:29.000 Just tell me.

01:25:31.000 Yeah, I think.

01:25:32.000 Do you know when that is, Jerry?

01:25:33.000 Somebody sent it to me.

01:25:34.000 I'm busy that night, unfortunately.

01:25:36.000 Yeah, so you have a podcast too.

01:25:38.000 Tell people about that.

01:25:39.000 Yeah, it's hot boxing.

01:25:41.000 Hot boxing.

01:25:42.000 Yeah.

01:25:43.000 Get it?

01:25:44.000 Yeah, big time.

01:25:44.000 Hot box, weed, get it?

01:25:47.000 Boxing.

01:25:47.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:25:48.000 And we smoke on our show and we're having a good time.

01:25:52.000 Yeah, and you had Dale Earnhardt Jr. on?

01:25:54.000 Yeah, he's an awesome guy.

01:25:55.000 He's a great guy?

01:25:56.000 Yeah, he's awesome.

01:25:57.000 Did you get high with him?

01:25:58.000 No, no, I don't believe I did.

01:25:59.000 No, I don't think he smoked.

01:26:01.000 No, I don't think he does either.

01:26:02.000 He's a clean-cut guy.

01:26:04.000 He's a super nice guy.

01:26:05.000 Almost too nice.

01:26:06.000 You're like, are you real?

01:26:07.000 His father was a tough guy.

01:26:09.000 Yeah.

01:26:09.000 His father was a savage.

01:26:10.000 Yeah.

01:26:13.000 So tell people, Tyson Ranch, tell people how they can find more information.

01:26:18.000 Well, you can just look up Tyson Ranch.

01:26:20.000 Is it TysonRanch.com?

01:26:22.000 Yeah.

01:26:23.000 Okay.

01:26:24.000 TysonRanch.com.

01:26:25.000 And you don't fuck with any social media, huh?

01:26:27.000 You don't mess with them.

01:26:28.000 I have people do that, but they tell me to take pictures of this guy for you to get some likes or something.

01:26:32.000 Yeah.

01:26:35.000 Third grade or something, getting friends, trying to make friends.

01:26:38.000 I don't know what the hell I'm doing.

01:26:39.000 I feel like a smuck, man.

01:26:40.000 It is ridiculous, yeah.

01:26:42.000 I feel like a smuck.

01:26:43.000 That's it.

01:26:43.000 Tyson Ranch, official on Instagram.

01:26:45.000 Look, Damien, I'm on the book, Dope Magazine.

01:26:47.000 There you go.

01:26:48.000 Damn.

01:26:50.000 Well, listen, brother, thank you very much for being here, man.

01:26:52.000 I really appreciate it.

01:26:53.000 Pleasure being here, man.

01:26:53.000 I wanted to come to the show so much earlier, but we just couldn't make it happen.

01:26:57.000 We'll do it again.

01:26:58.000 And let me know when everything opens up.

01:27:00.000 We'll be happy to promote it for you.

01:27:01.000 Let everybody know.

01:27:02.000 And anytime you got something coming on, you want people to know about it, let me know.

01:27:05.000 Thank you very much.

01:27:06.000 Thank you.

01:27:07.000 Appreciate it, brother.

01:27:08.000 Thank you very much.

01:27:08.000 Mike Tyson, motherfuckers!

01:27:10.000 All day!

01:27:11.000 Woo!

01:27:13.000 That was cool.

01:27:14.000 That was awesome.

The Joe Rogan Experience - January 17, 2019

Joe Rogan Experience #1227 - Mike Tyson

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