The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1249

00:00:00.000 Oh, shit.

00:00:01.000 Did things fall off?

00:00:02.000 Those pieces of shit.

00:00:04.000 See, this one, you're too fancy, bro.

00:00:06.000 Yeah, they get too fancy.

00:00:08.000 Eh, whatever.

00:00:09.000 We got another one.

00:00:11.000 Oh, wow.

00:00:11.000 Are we live already?

00:00:14.000 Whoops, sorry.

00:00:16.000 Cheers, sir.

00:00:17.000 Thank you.

00:00:18.000 My pleasure, my pleasure.

00:00:21.000 Don't know, we were talking about the different kinds of comedians that there really are.

00:00:25.000 Like meme comedians, they're comedians.

00:00:28.000 They have a special skill set.

00:00:30.000 It's a different thing.

00:00:31.000 They have a special skill set.

00:00:32.000 In fact, one of my closest friends, Bearded Humor, he's like, I would say...

00:00:37.000 If he was a stand-up comic, he would probably be in my top five in terms of creativity, in terms of talking about things in the moment and just all out funny.

00:00:51.000 You know, the skill set for stand-up, I started 25 years ago, it used to be the only way you proved yourself as a person with any type of...

00:01:14.000 I don't even know if people are as excited about stand-up As they used to be, and now it's excited about what's going to be the newest thing, what's going to be the hottest photo, the photoshop, and what's going to be the hottest image.

00:01:27.000 Well, that's the easiest to get, right?

00:01:29.000 It's easier to get it on your phone.

00:01:30.000 You get those images, the photoshops and the memes that are funny that hit you immediately.

00:01:34.000 But I think right now, especially when you go to the store, don't you think there's more people interested in stand-up now than ever?

00:01:40.000 Yeah, but we're in a tricky place now.

00:01:44.000 People are interested in it.

00:01:45.000 But people are so, they're more critical of stand-up now more than ever.

00:01:50.000 There used to be a time when you could just say what you wanted and people would say that person was outspoken, outraged, but they were themselves.

00:01:58.000 But now you tell one joke, one blogger, one troller, Dissect your jokes and print your jokes.

00:02:08.000 Don't do the setup.

00:02:09.000 Don't do the callback.

00:02:11.000 Don't do the tag and next thing you know you offended somebody.

00:02:14.000 But I think with a lot of events that are happening now, comedy is going to start taking a shift back to people with honest voices.

00:02:25.000 I think so, too.

00:02:26.000 I think there's a direct backlash to political correct thinking and the type of policing that you're seeing.

00:02:37.000 I understand police and stuff in the Catholic Church, police and stuff in the regular church, but you go to a comedy club to police, you're in the wrong place.

00:02:46.000 And nine times out of ten, people that go to a comedy show, that walk out and protest, Their mindset was to protest before they even went there.

00:02:55.000 They're just waiting for the trigger where it's just like, well, I never, and they'll leave.

00:02:59.000 Well, it's a way to get a lot of attention.

00:03:01.000 You know, being outraged at something, especially if you kind of have a point, like if you could articulate that point, it's a great way to get attention.

00:03:08.000 With the people, the trollers and the people that...

00:03:10.000 Yeah, I mean, there's a giant market for that.

00:03:13.000 Like, if you think of, like, if you're a comic and you're a famous comic and you're outspoken, you know, and someone could take your bit and take it apart, like, They've done with Chappelle many times, right?

00:03:23.000 But Chappelle owns it so much.

00:03:24.000 He owns it.

00:03:25.000 I was just with him.

00:03:26.000 I've never seen a guy that flips our sets over.

00:03:29.000 Like, he's just writing another five-minute bit.

00:03:31.000 That's weird, right?

00:03:32.000 But the thing is now, I've watched some of his new stuff and things he's doing now.

00:03:37.000 He's going to lead the charge for comedians having their voice.

00:03:41.000 I did a show with him at the store recently.

00:03:44.000 And at the end of it, he said, comedians now more than ever...

00:03:47.000 You need to grab your balls because it's our job to talk about the things that are bad in this world.

00:03:52.000 And we are the best people for it.

00:03:54.000 Well, it's the last line of free speech.

00:03:57.000 It's the last real line of free speech because you don't have a real boss.

00:04:02.000 Like when you go on stage, no one gives you a single word of direction.

00:04:08.000 You know, that's a very unusual place to be in, in terms of entertainment.

00:04:12.000 And something that reaches, especially with someone like Dave, millions and millions and millions of people.

00:04:17.000 Every time he does a Netflix special, every time he does anything that's filmed, it's going to hit millions of people.

00:04:23.000 They have no one telling you what to do.

00:04:25.000 No one.

00:04:26.000 No one giving you any input.

00:04:27.000 And then when they try to tell you what to do, you resist it and you do what you want to do.

00:04:31.000 He's a real comic.

00:04:32.000 He's a real comic.

00:04:33.000 But you have that.

00:04:34.000 I've been following you for a while.

00:04:35.000 I've been a comedy store...

00:04:37.000 For years, I'm always in the cut.

00:04:38.000 And I've seen you do some material like, how the fuck does he get away with this?

00:04:44.000 I know how.

00:04:45.000 Because he fucking owns it.

00:04:46.000 I really believe what I'm saying in a lot of ways.

00:04:50.000 Like in other things, it's obvious that I don't really believe it.

00:04:52.000 But I'm saying it because I think it's funny.

00:04:54.000 And I think comedy is for us.

00:04:56.000 As much as people are like, oh, I need that left.

00:04:58.000 I think for comedians, it's therapeutic for us, too.

00:05:01.000 Yeah, it's 100%.

00:05:02.000 Can you imagine a situation?

00:05:03.000 You have an argument with your wife or somebody, and you can't go on stage that night just to talk about how pissed off she made you.

00:05:10.000 That's our outlet.

00:05:11.000 Yeah.

00:05:12.000 So as much as people get stuff out of us, when you come to a show, we get now our psychiatric exam right on the spot.

00:05:20.000 Yeah, also, like, you could complain about some shit, right?

00:05:23.000 You can complain about someone saying something or something, or you could turn it into a bit, and you can get hundreds of people just dying laughing.

00:05:31.000 Right.

00:05:31.000 I've had some conflicts online, one of them with a bunch of vegans.

00:05:36.000 Conflicts so you entertain somebody.

00:05:38.000 Yeah.

00:05:38.000 You try to be...

00:05:39.000 You're like, I don't got time for that.

00:05:41.000 I'm not going to entertain.

00:05:42.000 But every once in a while, you just want to punch a troll in the face.

00:05:44.000 I would read the comments.

00:05:46.000 That was the problem.

00:05:47.000 Occasionally, you read the comments and you're like, holy shit.

00:05:49.000 People just want you dead because...

00:05:52.000 Anyway, I had this whole thing in my act about chasing down the hashtag vegan cat.

00:05:59.000 Somebody wrote some mean shit to me and this hashtag vegan cat.

00:06:02.000 I was like, what the fuck is that?

00:06:04.000 I went there and there's a whole community of people feeding their cats vegetables.

00:06:08.000 But in doing this and tracking this down, it makes you realize, okay, I've got to write a bit about this because I could just get mad.

00:06:16.000 It's easy.

00:06:17.000 It writes itself.

00:06:18.000 I could just get mad and be upset that someone's being mean to me or I could turn this shit into fuel.

00:06:22.000 Or you could just go fucking destroy the whole vegan community.

00:06:25.000 What's that?

00:06:26.000 There's nothing wrong with vegans.

00:06:28.000 The produce is the same shit as every other group.

00:06:31.000 I don't really know too many vegans that aren't assholes, bro.

00:06:34.000 I know some vegans that aren't assholes.

00:06:35.000 I don't know.

00:06:36.000 Rich Roll, he's a great guy.

00:06:37.000 John Joseph, he's a great guy.

00:06:39.000 Neil Brennan, he's a vegan.

00:06:40.000 He's an asshole.

00:06:41.000 He's a little bit of an asshole.

00:06:42.000 Oh man, Neil Brennan is a motherfucking prick.

00:06:45.000 What are you talking about?

00:06:46.000 He's so funny, man.

00:06:46.000 You can tell when people are turning to ass...

00:06:48.000 When the asshole is embodying him.

00:06:50.000 Yeah.

00:06:51.000 Especially people who wear glasses because they have like a million different frames.

00:06:54.000 Ooh.

00:06:55.000 That's when you're at the next level of being an asshole when you switch your glasses up.

00:06:59.000 But Neil Brennan is a vegan.

00:07:01.000 He's one of those.

00:07:01.000 I don't think vegans should be allowed to go to a barbecue.

00:07:05.000 And complain.

00:07:06.000 And complain.

00:07:07.000 They all come to a fucking barbecue.

00:07:09.000 They got their patties.

00:07:11.000 They're upset if you've been cooking meat on a grill that was designed to cook dead animals.

00:07:19.000 And they get upset.

00:07:22.000 So all vegans are assholes.

00:07:23.000 I'm sorry.

00:07:24.000 It's not all of them.

00:07:25.000 But I see what you're saying.

00:07:26.000 All the ones that I know.

00:07:29.000 Because when they make their transition, they can't just become vegans.

00:07:36.000 They just got to let you know, I'm vegan now.

00:07:38.000 They can't wait until you say dinner.

00:07:40.000 Is it vegan options?

00:07:42.000 It's vegan, vegan.

00:07:43.000 They just can't do it.

00:07:44.000 They got to make an announcement.

00:07:45.000 They got to let everybody know that I'm a vegan now and I'm an asshole.

00:07:48.000 They think they're saving the world.

00:07:50.000 Yep.

00:07:50.000 And the worst is a vegan that always gets colds.

00:07:55.000 Yo, whenever I see Neil Brennan coughing...

00:08:00.000 Whenever I see him call, I say, so how's that vegan life called?

00:08:03.000 You fucking flu-having ass motherfucker.

00:08:06.000 I always say that to Ian Edwards.

00:08:07.000 I'm like, dude, you look tired.

00:08:08.000 You look exhausted.

00:08:09.000 I take pictures of Ian every time we fly together and he falls asleep.

00:08:12.000 I take pictures of him.

00:08:13.000 Ian's just sitting there.

00:08:14.000 I'm like, look at Ian.

00:08:15.000 You need some motherfucking protein, man.

00:08:16.000 Get some goddamn B12 in your diet.

00:08:18.000 Get a steak in your motherfucking diet.

00:08:20.000 He said he would eat meat, but he would only eat elk that I killed.

00:08:23.000 He said he would eat some elk meat, so I'm going to cook him some elk meat.

00:08:27.000 We should film it.

00:08:28.000 He'll probably like bounce around like super person.

00:08:31.000 Like he's been eating nothing but lentils for the last 20 years.

00:08:34.000 Elk, where does one go to even shoot an elk?

00:08:38.000 Utah.

00:08:40.000 Colorado has a lot of them.

00:08:41.000 There's some of them in California.

00:08:43.000 How do you do that?

00:08:45.000 Transport.

00:08:45.000 Is there a loss?

00:08:46.000 Can you transport your kill or you have to break it down wherever you kill it?

00:08:51.000 You have to have...

00:08:53.000 First of all, you have a tag.

00:08:55.000 And then when you have a tag, you're allowed to get a certain kind of animal.

00:09:00.000 So say if it's like a...

00:09:01.000 We're good to go.

00:09:20.000 And you have to keep that with you, that paperwork with you.

00:09:23.000 So if you transport the meat across state lines and some game warden pulled you over and said, do you have a deer in your car?

00:09:29.000 And you go, yes, sir, do, sir.

00:09:30.000 He's got to see that you have the paperwork for it.

00:09:33.000 I don't want to sound racist at all, but I don't know a black person that could tell that story that you just told about killing people.

00:09:44.000 Butchering up and transporting a dead animal.

00:09:46.000 Yeah, that's what you have to do.

00:09:47.000 That's how you do it.

00:09:48.000 You've got to put them on ice.

00:09:50.000 You have an obligation to try to save the meat.

00:09:52.000 When you have an animal and it's down, you want to get it into a packaged form as quick as possible.

00:10:00.000 You want to break it down.

00:10:02.000 Dude, sometimes people hang things.

00:10:04.000 They hang things in their garage in the cold.

00:10:07.000 You mentioned the word hanging.

00:10:10.000 All I think about is Jesse Sumlin.

00:10:13.000 Oh my God!

00:10:15.000 Talk about setting a whole bunch of people back.

00:10:18.000 In one interview!

00:10:20.000 Crazy story.

00:10:21.000 Interesting.

00:10:22.000 Such a mess.

00:10:23.000 It's a mess, and I think it was really awful about it because his story, it was like good and bad of it.

00:10:31.000 The good of it was when people thought that he was violated and he was a victim of a hate crime, it wasn't just gay people that was...

00:10:41.000 Rushing to support him.

00:10:42.000 It was like thug dudes.

00:10:44.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:10:45.000 It was like some real motherfuckers.

00:10:47.000 I mean, I saw Exhibit make a comment.

00:10:50.000 It was a community of people away from the LBG community that thought it was really fucked up.

00:10:58.000 And that was the beauty of the incident because it kind of brought people together.

00:11:04.000 But the thing about it, it was just a lie.

00:11:06.000 And it's so fucking unfortunate.

00:11:10.000 It's so unfortunate somebody would play on people's emotions or to benefit themselves.

00:11:19.000 It's awful.

00:11:21.000 Well, there's a certain narcissism that exists in show business that I think you and I both know very well.

00:11:27.000 You know, we've all seen it.

00:11:29.000 Thankfully, the people that seem to be the best, for whatever reason, they have some of the best handles on it.

00:11:35.000 Like, Dave doesn't show any of that.

00:11:36.000 But there's some people that do.

00:11:38.000 And that narcissism is weird, that wanting it to be all about them, and they'll do sneaky shit like fake and attack.

00:11:45.000 Like, that's a symptom of that same kind of thinking.

00:11:47.000 It just got desperate and went in some crazy way.

00:11:50.000 It was awful for some reason because you have people like, when that first went down, you have people that normally, people that you look at, okay, that's my friend or whoever, you've started having side eyes and that's just, it's just, it's so messed up and I think also it's messed up as much as people rode for him when they thought that it was an injustice or anything,

00:12:10.000 nobody's really talking about it.

00:12:11.000 Nobody's addressing it like, you know, this is our movement, these are things that we're trying to progress toward, but this was an isolated incident and just Say how awful it was.

00:12:21.000 Yeah.

00:12:22.000 You know, the beautiful thing is that people are way more tolerant than they ever have been before.

00:12:27.000 The also beautiful thing is attack didn't happen, right?

00:12:29.000 So we don't have to think of one more atrocious thing that people have done to another person for no reason.

00:12:33.000 Right.

00:12:34.000 So that's good.

00:12:35.000 And it's also good that you get to see where that kind of stuff heads, where you're always looking to be a victim, to the point where you realize there's some sort of currency in being a victim, so people fake being a victim, so they can get all this fucking attention.

00:12:47.000 It's good for us.

00:12:47.000 It's good for us to see, because you see that.

00:12:49.000 Now, next time a story comes around that's just a little fishy...

00:12:53.000 You're going to second guess it.

00:12:54.000 Exactly.

00:12:55.000 It's like the boy who cried wolf, and that's what's unfortunate about it, because anytime someone says that they were a victim of such a heinous crime like that, you want to believe them.

00:13:03.000 You want to believe them the minute they say it.

00:13:05.000 But with this incident, it makes you start second-guessing, and that's another thing that was awful about the whole thing.

00:13:11.000 And all the smoke he's getting right now that he deserves, because I've been tearing his ass up on Instagram, on everything.

00:13:17.000 He deserves every bit of it.

00:13:18.000 He knows he deserves it.

00:13:19.000 Everybody knows he deserves it.

00:13:21.000 I read a story once about this dude who said that he punished his daughter by making her sit in the backyard by a tree and then he went out there an hour later and she was gone.

00:13:31.000 And he suspected that coyotes got her.

00:13:34.000 And I remember thinking that story going, man, that just does not sound real.

00:13:38.000 That does not sound real.

00:13:40.000 It just seems weird.

00:13:41.000 This guy left a baby in the backyard and coyotes got it?

00:13:44.000 Like really?

00:13:44.000 Well, it was like a not walking or anything?

00:13:47.000 Well, he left the baby to punish the baby, like a two-year-old.

00:13:51.000 Well, it turns out he really didn't do that.

00:13:53.000 The kid died and he had stuffed it in some drainage ditch somewhere.

00:13:58.000 I don't remember how the kid died and what was the reason for it, but it was one of those stories where you hear the story like, Jesus, this doesn't sound real.

00:14:05.000 Sometimes stories don't sound real.

00:14:07.000 Yeah.

00:14:08.000 The next thing, we're going to be second-guessing everything.

00:14:10.000 Well, I hope not.

00:14:12.000 But when it first went down, I thought it was a situation where Lee Daniels and Jesse sat down in a writer's room.

00:14:21.000 And Lee Daniels is like, anybody got any ideas for any new episodes?

00:14:25.000 It's just like, I got one.

00:14:26.000 Nobody's ever going to believe it.

00:14:27.000 Look, I'm going to be hungry as shit, right?

00:14:29.000 I'm going to go to Subway to get a 12-inch footlong.

00:14:33.000 And Lee Daniels is like, I believe that.

00:14:38.000 I believe that part.

00:14:39.000 And then he went through the whole story.

00:14:41.000 And Lee Daniels said to him, nobody's going to believe it.

00:14:43.000 Jesse got upset and told Lee Daniels, we'll see.

00:14:47.000 I'm going to shoot it myself.

00:14:48.000 And he walked himself into that whole scenario.

00:14:51.000 And it's just awful.

00:14:53.000 That's entirely possible.

00:14:54.000 That's what it sounds like.

00:14:55.000 It sounds like it.

00:14:56.000 Now anybody that was a fan of Empire, which I know a lot of people that's listening were...

00:15:01.000 Being very sarcastic when I say that.

00:15:03.000 They're going to be like second-guess the storyline of so many of those shows.

00:15:06.000 The storylines of everybody who ever said that they were done wrong or anything.

00:15:11.000 The awful thing about this is now people are going to be ready and quick to just second-guess anything that you say.

00:15:18.000 Yeah, that's a fact.

00:15:20.000 Until we can read each other's minds, until we can find out for sure.

00:15:23.000 That's going to change the whole game.

00:15:25.000 Being able to read somebody's minds?

00:15:26.000 Yeah.

00:15:27.000 That's definitely going to eliminate a lot of street fights.

00:15:30.000 Most of them.

00:15:31.000 I mean, you talk about your imminent danger senses are going to be 100% if you can read somebody's mind.

00:15:37.000 Yeah.

00:15:38.000 Yeah.

00:15:38.000 I don't know if I would want to do that.

00:15:40.000 I do.

00:15:41.000 I like having secrets.

00:15:42.000 I'm all in.

00:15:42.000 I like having secrets, too, but I like going all in.

00:15:45.000 I think all in.

00:15:46.000 I think it's just inevitable.

00:15:47.000 We were talking about it in the last podcast about there's something they're going to be able to shoot into your neck.

00:15:52.000 What did he say?

00:15:53.000 The way he described it?

00:15:54.000 Yeah, like an injection that will take over, sort of.

00:15:57.000 Well, the way it interacts with your brain cells.

00:15:59.000 Thread.

00:16:00.000 Yeah, thread itself into your brain cells.

00:16:02.000 So literally, I think we're going to have built-in Wi-Fi internet systems where we're connected to each other's heads.

00:16:09.000 So this is what people request.

00:16:10.000 So it's like a study they're going to try out on people.

00:16:13.000 Or you could just go to your doctor and say, shoot me with the brain shit.

00:16:17.000 I think eventually it's going to be shoot me with the brain shit.

00:16:19.000 First, you've got to get it on a clinical trial.

00:16:21.000 Right.

00:16:22.000 But who do you get for that?

00:16:24.000 Like, heroin addicts or crackheads?

00:16:25.000 Who do you get for that?

00:16:26.000 Like, who is close to no brain cells and shit?

00:16:29.000 And that's the one we tried on.

00:16:30.000 What was that movie?

00:16:31.000 There was a movie where a dude got shot and they put some chip in his back...

00:16:37.000 Upgrade.

00:16:37.000 Upgrade, yeah.

00:16:39.000 And it did that to him.

00:16:40.000 He had access to all the information.

00:16:42.000 He knew martial arts.

00:16:44.000 He knew how to move.

00:16:45.000 And everything was happening.

00:16:46.000 He was basically like a supercomputer inside of a person that could do everything.

00:16:51.000 Artificial intelligence is right down the line.

00:16:53.000 Dude, they're talking about this shit, shooting it into your brain.

00:16:56.000 We're going to share a network.

00:16:58.000 We're all going to be on a network together.

00:16:59.000 Well, there's going to be a lot of white people joining that effort because black people don't fuck with needles, bruh.

00:17:05.000 We don't do none of that.

00:17:06.000 Unless it's heroin, we don't take out needles like that, bro.

00:17:09.000 I'm telling you, you say that, but how many athletes are on steroids?

00:17:14.000 Yeah, but that's a different animal.

00:17:16.000 I'm talking about the average black dude, Brooklyn, Brownsville, or Watts, or something like that.

00:17:21.000 Yo, I got this new brain shit we ejected through a needle.

00:17:23.000 They're gonna fuck you up.

00:17:25.000 They don't wanna hear that shit.

00:17:26.000 That's hilarious.

00:17:27.000 And that's probably true.

00:17:28.000 I mean, how many people are gonna try that?

00:17:30.000 Like, who's gonna be the earliest adopter getting a shot in your neck that lets you read everybody's mind?

00:17:36.000 And then what are you going to do with it?

00:17:37.000 It's an interesting thing.

00:17:39.000 It's going to fuck our job up, man.

00:17:41.000 Because like half of what we do is say shocking shit that people know is kind of true, but you can't believe you're saying it.

00:17:46.000 And then you'll have people in the audience like, oh, not the old Winter's Subway joke coming up.

00:17:52.000 If you could do that, that'd be the ultimate fucking joke hater right there.

00:17:55.000 Oh, yeah!

00:17:56.000 Two guys walk in a bar.

00:17:58.000 You don't got anything other than that?

00:17:59.000 Nah, I think I'll have to pass on that.

00:18:02.000 Keep it, bro.

00:18:02.000 Yeah, it's going to be weird.

00:18:04.000 When would you get it?

00:18:04.000 Would you want to be the first comedian to have it?

00:18:07.000 No.

00:18:08.000 You almost want to be a fool who doesn't have it.

00:18:10.000 If you want to be a comedian, yeah, yeah.

00:18:12.000 I want to watch other motherfuckers do it first.

00:18:14.000 Yeah.

00:18:14.000 Oh, yeah.

00:18:15.000 I'll sit in the back.

00:18:15.000 But the problem is they're going to fucking take over finances instantly.

00:18:19.000 As soon as they upload their brand, they're like, I'm just going to get all this money.

00:18:22.000 I'm going to figure out a way to get all this fucking money.

00:18:24.000 And then by the time you shoot it into your head, they've already got the system locked down.

00:18:28.000 But see, you have a different level of people that you hang out with because your level of...

00:18:31.000 Your level would be like, how are we going to get the money?

00:18:33.000 But my level would be like, yo, we got this brain shit.

00:18:35.000 How are we going to get some ass off of this, dawg?

00:18:37.000 You can get it.

00:18:38.000 You'll be more clever.

00:18:38.000 If you can read a broad mind, you get all the ass you want.

00:18:41.000 All of it.

00:18:41.000 Yeah, you would know.

00:18:42.000 But then it wouldn't be fun.

00:18:43.000 Like, half the fun is not knowing if somebody likes you.

00:18:45.000 Right.

00:18:45.000 You don't know, well, what's going to happen here?

00:18:47.000 Is this going to work out?

00:18:48.000 How was that movie with Mel Gibson?

00:18:50.000 Or he could read women's minds.

00:18:52.000 What women want.

00:18:53.000 And they remade it right now.

00:18:54.000 It's coming out.

00:18:55.000 Really?

00:18:55.000 I've seen the billboard with Taraji Henson and Tracy Morgan.

00:18:59.000 That's hilarious.

00:19:00.000 Tracy Morgan.

00:19:01.000 I had a conversation with Mel Gibson the other day on the phone.

00:19:03.000 It was one of the weirdest things in my life.

00:19:05.000 I'm just happy to know I have friends that can say that.

00:19:08.000 So you have a lot of sentences my friends can't use.

00:19:11.000 Yeah, you know how you kill an elk?

00:19:15.000 All right, here's the difference between a buck and so-and-so.

00:19:17.000 You got a trigger one time.

00:19:19.000 And then it's like, oh, it accounts.

00:19:21.000 Yeah, so I'm on the phone with Mel Gibson the other day.

00:19:24.000 I was on the phone with Ray Ray the other day.

00:19:26.000 Well, I'd rather be on the phone with Ray Ray.

00:19:28.000 But it's not bad to talk to Mel Gibson.

00:19:30.000 It's just, it's like, okay.

00:19:32.000 He's a regular, he's a dude.

00:19:34.000 He's a guy.

00:19:35.000 He's Mel Gibson.

00:19:36.000 He's Mel Gibson.

00:19:37.000 But you go like, fucking for real?

00:19:39.000 Like you're talking to him, you're like, for real?

00:19:40.000 Is there a real conversation with Mel Gibson?

00:19:41.000 Yeah, that would be very interesting.

00:19:43.000 And I've never run into him.

00:19:45.000 He's a super nice guy.

00:19:46.000 He did a podcast to talk about the stem cell doctor that helped his dad.

00:19:51.000 Oh yeah?

00:19:51.000 He came on for Dr. Neil Reardon.

00:19:53.000 He's this guy in Dallas that treats people down in Panama.

00:19:57.000 He's got this radical stem cell therapy that you can't get in America.

00:20:00.000 And it fixed.

00:20:01.000 Mel Gibson's dad was 92 and he was in a wheelchair.

00:20:04.000 And now he's 100 and he's walking around.

00:20:06.000 What's the issue with stem cell situation in America?

00:20:10.000 Because I don't hear too much.

00:20:11.000 The last time, and I'm not probably as knowledgeable as you are, but wasn't Christopher Reeve trying to...

00:20:20.000 I'm sure he was.

00:20:21.000 Yeah, he had that spinal cord injury from a horse accident.

00:20:25.000 He was doing those horse jumps.

00:20:27.000 Yeah.

00:20:28.000 South Park thing, remember?

00:20:30.000 I don't remember.

00:20:31.000 They're eating dead babies to get the stem cells.

00:20:35.000 As soon as you said South Park, I was like, this is going to take a bad turn.

00:20:39.000 Take a bad turn!

00:20:40.000 Yeah, maybe that episode about rape on South Park.

00:20:43.000 They don't give a fuck.

00:20:44.000 They're the best.

00:20:46.000 They're also pushing the boundaries.

00:20:48.000 They're the ones out there that are promoting ridiculous, preposterous comedy that's completely offensive but brilliant.

00:20:55.000 That's one of the things that when we were doing the Chappelle Show, the one of the things I appreciate more than anything about that show was how it brought people of all races, all backgrounds together to do the thing that we all should have in common and that's to laugh.

00:21:11.000 And also to not push the button but touch on racial stuff without having an angry undertone.

00:21:18.000 And that's what's so fucked up about America now.

00:21:21.000 Whenever you talk about race, it feels like one side, somebody has to be tense.

00:21:27.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:21:28.000 It's never like a comfortable state.

00:21:29.000 It's never like...

00:21:30.000 And I know things are intense, but we have to be able to laugh first.

00:21:34.000 Once you get people to laugh, you can talk about whatever you want.

00:21:36.000 And then even if a person is not in agreement or have the same thoughts...

00:21:41.000 At the end of the day, you should be able to respect that person, and I think those same people should be able to share a laugh.

00:21:47.000 Yeah, and there was a fun, silly, non-aggressive quality to the way you guys put together sketches that got the point across and everybody laughed.

00:21:57.000 Everybody laugh.

00:21:58.000 And when I draw to this day, when I travel, when I do my audiences, it's interesting because, of course, you would think I'm going to draw a certain audience because I'm black, which I am and I do.

00:22:08.000 But it's weird.

00:22:08.000 I could go to places and it's straight up like Dave called them the muddy boot motherfuckers.

00:22:13.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:22:14.000 Like the money booth motherfuckers, the money booths, they got John Deere.

00:22:18.000 Right.

00:22:18.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:22:19.000 They know all that elk shit you talking about.

00:22:22.000 You know, them John Deeres know all that shit.

00:22:24.000 John Deeres!

00:22:25.000 They probably call up right now and say, no, Joe, I think you got that wrong.

00:22:28.000 You got to cut the heart from the instant.

00:22:29.000 You know you got to go left to right.

00:22:31.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:22:32.000 And I've noticed I have those people.

00:22:35.000 And then I have hood people.

00:22:37.000 But it's just interesting when you can look out.

00:22:39.000 And this is what that show did.

00:22:39.000 When you can look out in the audience and you say you have all of America there.

00:22:43.000 It was the best sketch comedy show in the history of television, I think.

00:22:46.000 I think In Living Color is very, very, very overlooked.

00:22:50.000 People forget how goddamn groundbreaking.

00:22:53.000 And groundbreaking.

00:22:55.000 And both of them, like, wherever I go, people always...

00:22:58.000 They always bring it up.

00:22:59.000 It's a big point in my career.

00:23:01.000 But I was like, I don't know if it happens every 10 years, every 15 years.

00:23:05.000 It comes a time where the audience wants something different.

00:23:08.000 They sit the shit watered down.

00:23:10.000 Same way when They Live in Color.

00:23:12.000 Same way when Deaf Comedy Jam came out.

00:23:14.000 You know, you didn't see a lot of black stand-ups on TV, but they had this underground circuit that was bubbling, and it was the right time.

00:23:23.000 When they pulled out, it was the right time.

00:23:24.000 And Living Color comes around.

00:23:26.000 It's the right time.

00:23:27.000 The Dave Chappelle show comes around.

00:23:29.000 It's the right time.

00:23:30.000 The Richard Powers show, even though that only lasted three or four episodes, it was the right time, and it caught on at the right time.

00:23:35.000 Yeah.

00:23:36.000 In terms of groundbreaking sketch comedy shows, though, that KKK bit where he had the blind...

00:23:46.000 Bruh, let me tell you something.

00:23:47.000 Do you understand?

00:23:48.000 In the history of sketch, nobody has premiered a sketch show and came off so hardcore the first night.

00:23:57.000 As hard as it comes.

00:23:59.000 When they ended that shit, when we asked why...

00:24:06.000 Why?

00:24:06.000 After all these years, it was like, because she's a nigger lover.

00:24:13.000 I was like, that was one of them, that was one of the joys.

00:24:18.000 I'm like, wake up everybody, no more sleeping in bed.

00:24:23.000 I knew from that moment that this show was going to be on the next level of shows.

00:24:29.000 Well, he was free.

00:24:31.000 It was so many, when we did, funny thing, a lot of things, I used to do, I was a warm-up comedian for a Chappelle show.

00:24:39.000 So whenever you saw a Chappelle show episode, and if you notice that whenever I came on screen, and I'm not being cocky, people would go nuts.

00:24:48.000 They'd be like, oh shit.

00:24:49.000 And the reason was because I was the guy that wanted the audience before Dave came out.

00:24:54.000 So I knew if I go gut the room out, At the beginning, people don't even...

00:25:00.000 Nobody knew who I was or anything.

00:25:01.000 If I ripped that at the beginning and then when they see me on the screen, it's going to be like...

00:25:05.000 It's going to be big.

00:25:07.000 Of course.

00:25:08.000 And that show, man, it was just like...

00:25:11.000 It was just...

00:25:12.000 A lot of things happened on that show.

00:25:14.000 People like the Rick James sketch.

00:25:17.000 The day we played that during the wraparounds, man, that shit hit so hard.

00:25:21.000 I was like...

00:25:23.000 This shit is fucking retarded.

00:25:25.000 The funny thing people don't know is that Comedy Central did not like that sketch.

00:25:31.000 Comedy Central didn't like the sketch and Comedy Central didn't think Charlie Murphy was funny in it.

00:25:42.000 And I watched, we ran that shit, just to let you know the direction people think.

00:25:47.000 I watched that shit six times.

00:25:49.000 And every time, man, every time you heard Dave say, I'm Rick James, bitch.

00:25:54.000 It was gut, son.

00:25:56.000 It was gut, son.

00:25:59.000 Yo, what did the five fingers say to the face?

00:26:01.000 Bow!

00:26:03.000 When's the last time you had a sketch was getting kids suspended in school?

00:26:06.000 Right.

00:26:07.000 People was going to school to their teachers.

00:26:08.000 What did Five Fingers They say?

00:26:10.000 I'm Rick James, bitch.

00:26:11.000 Alright, Tommy, you suspended for a week.

00:26:14.000 You and Dave Chappelle go to the fucking timeout room.

00:26:16.000 It's one of the most iconic sketches of all time.

00:26:19.000 How wrong was Comedy Central?

00:26:20.000 I mean, not just a little wrong.

00:26:23.000 All the way wrong.

00:26:24.000 All the way wrong.

00:26:25.000 Almost like suicidal.

00:26:27.000 It's like, hmm.

00:26:28.000 But then it goes to show, you know how you have a vision with something.

00:26:32.000 You see it.

00:26:33.000 Everybody may not see it.

00:26:34.000 Well, that's the problem with working with executives too, right?

00:26:37.000 It's like their vision is different than your vision.

00:26:39.000 They like to shape you in a certain way.

00:26:41.000 And I know Dave ran into problems with them wanting them to change language so they could get more sponsors.

00:26:48.000 Yeah, I think that That wasn't an issue.

00:26:53.000 And to be quite honest, I don't know exactly what happened.

00:26:57.000 Everything is speculation.

00:26:59.000 You never talked to him about it?

00:27:00.000 Never talked to him about it because the reason why I never talked to him about it because I didn't need to talk to him about it.

00:27:05.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:27:06.000 That show was great for me.

00:27:08.000 It was a great, great platform for me.

00:27:10.000 And then it was more important.

00:27:13.000 My friendship and how he felt away from that was more important.

00:27:19.000 Then, so why'd you leave?

00:27:20.000 Where'd you go?

00:27:21.000 The first time I saw him, I'm like, as long as you're okay.

00:27:24.000 Because it's going to be scary for anybody.

00:27:25.000 One of your closest friends, somebody you work with, all of a sudden just goes to another country.

00:27:29.000 You don't hear from them.

00:27:30.000 But when I first saw him after that, I was excited.

00:27:34.000 And I was just like, whatever it was, we had a moment.

00:27:38.000 We made history.

00:27:39.000 And people go on.

00:27:40.000 People go on to do other things and just keep it moving.

00:27:42.000 But that show was...

00:27:44.000 Really, people always say, Donnell, if it wasn't for the Chappelle Show, this and that, Chappelle Show...

00:27:51.000 Gave me a platform for people to see what I've been doing for years.

00:27:55.000 And you know, you see talentless in the club now.

00:27:57.000 You see a motherfucker that's good as shit, good as shit.

00:27:59.000 But will they get the right platform for the world to see them?

00:28:02.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:28:02.000 And that's kind of separate.

00:28:05.000 You see one person go from one level to the next level who has the right platform to showcase their talent.

00:28:10.000 And that show did that for me.

00:28:12.000 And with that said, I gave that show everything.

00:28:15.000 Every time I had a second on camera.

00:28:18.000 Every time...

00:28:18.000 Like, if you look at two and a half years on that show, if you had an editor break down how many times I spoke, it would probably be a total of four minutes.

00:28:28.000 I'll get a word here.

00:28:30.000 I'll get a phrase here.

00:28:31.000 But I told myself, whenever they turn that motherfucking camera on, I'm going for it.

00:28:36.000 Like, even if I'm not talking...

00:28:38.000 I'm going to make my body so expressive that your eyeball draws to...

00:28:43.000 I remember Neil told me one time, he said...

00:28:45.000 Because I always get a mic because I'll come up with a line or something to throw in.

00:28:50.000 And we were doing a Rick James sketch and I didn't have a mic.

00:28:53.000 I was like, yo, sound.

00:28:54.000 And Neil said, you're not going to get a mic, bro.

00:28:57.000 I said, I might...

00:28:58.000 I was like...

00:29:01.000 I might say something.

00:29:02.000 He was like, you're not going to say anything.

00:29:04.000 I was like, fuck.

00:29:05.000 So I told myself, when he smacks this motherfucker, because if you look at that scene, when he smacks him, I said, what the fuck?

00:29:12.000 I was like a Washington Square Park mime.

00:29:17.000 I pushed that.

00:29:18.000 I said, what the fuck?

00:29:21.000 I made my face.

00:29:23.000 He didn't give me a mic, but I said, what the fuck with my face?

00:29:27.000 And I always...

00:29:29.000 As people always ask about that show, young actors and stuff like that, talk to me, what do you need to do?

00:29:35.000 I was like, with anything, the best thing to do is figure out a way to get on a set.

00:29:40.000 You get on a set, you do background, you learn, you get opportunities, you got to be around it, you got to get a skill set.

00:29:48.000 But when it's time to show up, you got to show up.

00:29:53.000 You have to show up.

00:29:55.000 Motherfuckers talk a lot of shit.

00:29:56.000 I want to do this out there.

00:29:57.000 And then when they say action, motherfuckers ain't ready to show up.

00:30:00.000 And every time motherfuckers say action in a situation, you got to show up.

00:30:04.000 Well, you have a great ability to express yourself on stage and on TV. Some people feel uncomfortable.

00:30:11.000 They just like to be cool while they're telling the jokes.

00:30:14.000 Right.

00:30:14.000 Like, some people have that style.

00:30:16.000 Like, your style is big, you know?

00:30:18.000 I appreciate it.

00:30:20.000 You know, you ever see Jim Brewer?

00:30:21.000 Yeah.

00:30:22.000 I saw Jim Brewer, like, the first time I saw him, we were real young.

00:30:26.000 Young Jim Brewer?

00:30:26.000 Yeah, we were real young.

00:30:27.000 And my manager, Jason Steinberg, says what's up to him.

00:30:29.000 Oh, tell him I said what's up.

00:30:30.000 No doubt.

00:30:30.000 When I first saw Brewer, he's so physical.

00:30:33.000 You get tired watching him.

00:30:36.000 I remember Jim Brewer at Boston Comedy Club days.

00:30:41.000 That's why when you mentioned his name, I was like, which Jim Brewer are we speaking of?

00:30:46.000 Even today, our dad, Jim Brewer, today, he's still real energetic.

00:30:52.000 When I tell you, I saw him in his super prime.

00:30:57.000 He was a murderer.

00:30:58.000 And he was...

00:30:59.000 He destroyed shit.

00:31:02.000 Destroyed.

00:31:02.000 Like, shut the...

00:31:04.000 Like, who's gonna do anything after that?

00:31:06.000 You know?

00:31:06.000 Who?

00:31:07.000 Dude, I ate shit following him once.

00:31:09.000 Right.

00:31:09.000 One of the worst bombings of my entire career.

00:31:12.000 Jim?

00:31:12.000 I was headlining and Jim was Midland.

00:31:14.000 We were working together.

00:31:15.000 We did four...

00:31:15.000 And you know, Midland is a prime spot to fuck somebody up.

00:31:18.000 Prime spot.

00:31:19.000 That's a prime spot.

00:31:20.000 2025?

00:31:21.000 We had a good MC too, so the MC got the crowd really popping, and then the middle came on, and Jim just ripped the place apart.

00:31:29.000 He ripped it apart, and I was scared.

00:31:31.000 I had a blown out ACL at the time, and I was wearing Cavaricis.

00:31:34.000 I was wearing sexy pants.

00:31:37.000 Oh shit.

00:31:38.000 I don't even want to think of that thought.

00:31:40.000 I don't like too much information.

00:31:42.000 Pause!

00:31:42.000 They were these stupid pants that people wore in the 80s, man.

00:31:45.000 Like, they were tied to the top and they flared out a little on the legs.

00:31:48.000 Like MC Hammer pants?

00:31:49.000 Almost, like a little bit.

00:31:50.000 They were pathetic.

00:31:51.000 I can't believe I ever owned them, but they were in style.

00:31:54.000 I don't even believe I have that.

00:31:55.000 That's what I have that image.

00:31:56.000 That's what they look like.

00:31:58.000 Yeah, look at that, bro.

00:31:59.000 Seriously.

00:31:59.000 You not should know Elk and them motherfuckers.

00:32:01.000 No, you're not.

00:32:02.000 I think mine were probably jeans.

00:32:04.000 That's awful.

00:32:05.000 The jeans ones like that.

00:32:06.000 Like, see the far left and the blue?

00:32:08.000 Right there.

00:32:08.000 Bam.

00:32:09.000 Yeah, mine's like those.

00:32:09.000 That's awful, bro.

00:32:10.000 Terrible.

00:32:11.000 That's awful.

00:32:11.000 How can I wear those and have a straight face?

00:32:13.000 And then I had some nice dress-up shirt on and I just ate plates of shit.

00:32:18.000 But it made me rethink my whole act.

00:32:20.000 Yeah.

00:32:20.000 Because it was such a humiliating bombing.

00:32:23.000 Because I knew that the audience was right.

00:32:26.000 I wasn't being funny.

00:32:27.000 I was nervous and scared.

00:32:27.000 But those are the moments...

00:32:28.000 Think about it.

00:32:29.000 Those are the moments...

00:32:30.000 That make you.

00:32:31.000 100%.

00:32:32.000 And like now I see in comedy, like I go to some clubs, motherfuckers trying to do the lineup kind of soft, like, well, we can't put that person in front of that person because they won't be able to follow it, blah, blah, blah.

00:32:43.000 But it should be a point like when I started, like the baddest motherfuckers in the game, they went on stage.

00:32:48.000 Yeah.

00:32:48.000 And if you was a new Jack coming up, how are you going to have a defining moment in comedy?

00:32:53.000 You got to go behind somebody.

00:32:54.000 Anybody can do it.

00:32:55.000 If you got a hot room, everybody's doing good.

00:32:58.000 But put that shit behind where you got a motherfucker like a Bill Burr comes in the room and just goes and fucks it up.

00:33:05.000 What are you going to do?

00:33:05.000 Flatlines it.

00:33:06.000 You got to stand up?

00:33:06.000 Yeah.

00:33:07.000 I did a tour with him.

00:33:21.000 Yeah.

00:33:22.000 Yeah.

00:33:24.000 Yeah.

00:33:32.000 After the second year of Chappelle's show, we weren't really making a lot of money on Chappelle's show because the show still hadn't been proven.

00:33:39.000 You know how something you got to...

00:33:40.000 If you got a contract, you got a contract.

00:33:42.000 That's it.

00:33:43.000 It just so happened the show blew up before the contract was over, but that don't mean nobody's going to renegotiate.

00:33:50.000 So we had this popularity, but we wasn't making money.

00:33:53.000 And I came up with the idea of doing a tour called the I'm Rich Bitch Tour.

00:33:57.000 And at the time, at the time, Charlie was...

00:34:02.000 Like, anywhere he goes.

00:34:03.000 At the time, Bill Burr was a headliner probably at the time in B rooms, you know what I'm saying?

00:34:10.000 And there's no disrespect to him, but he was on the come up.

00:34:13.000 But when you saw Bill, you knew this motherfucker was going to be next.

00:34:16.000 You knew he was going to pop it, but we still wasn't getting no cash.

00:34:20.000 Charlie had never told jokes.

00:34:23.000 And I was like, how the fuck are you around all these comedians you've never been on stage?

00:34:26.000 So I used to bully him.

00:34:27.000 You know, he tough ass motherfucker, rest in peace.

00:34:30.000 But I was like, yeah, you so tough motherfucker, but not with a microphone in your hand.

00:34:34.000 And I bullied him so much that he finally went on stage.

00:34:38.000 And Charlie, the tour was Charlie with MC. And all we needed him to do was 10 or 15 minutes.

00:34:44.000 At the time, me and Charlie, outside of the day, were two popular people on the show.

00:34:48.000 Bill Burr had a couple of sketches, but Bill Burr didn't pop off of the show.

00:34:52.000 And I was like, but if we're going to do this, let's have a fire show.

00:34:56.000 You know what I mean?

00:34:56.000 We could put somebody weak in the middle.

00:34:59.000 I said, let's give them a show that they won't ever forget.

00:35:02.000 And Charlie used to come out and do 10 to 15 minutes.

00:35:06.000 And I tell people, I was like, who's the toughest person to follow?

00:35:10.000 But Charlie would go out and do 10 to 15 minutes.

00:35:13.000 And Bill Berger would come out and do 20 to 25. And then I came behind Bill.

00:35:17.000 Not one night.

00:35:19.000 For a year.

00:35:21.000 A whole year.

00:35:23.000 And Bill Burr is the type of actor, you have no days off.

00:35:27.000 You have no, any of that, any little inkling of being off, you're just going to hear, yeah, I like the show, but the white dude was funny as a motherfucker, you know?

00:35:37.000 And you can tell at that time that Bill Burr was going to be a A start.

00:35:43.000 Whether it would have been movies or television, but as a stand-up, you know, he was one of the pound for pound, one of the dopest to do it.

00:35:50.000 And that tour went on for a fucking year.

00:35:51.000 We had a blast.

00:35:52.000 Yeah, Bill's brilliant.

00:35:54.000 I got to work with Charlie for...

00:35:55.000 We did this Maxim tour.

00:35:57.000 We did like 22 dates.

00:35:58.000 Me and him and John Heffron.

00:36:00.000 We traveled all over the place.

00:36:01.000 Was it when Charlie was starting to do it?

00:36:03.000 He's like two years in.

00:36:04.000 He was two years in at the time.

00:36:06.000 And you know, people, Joe, people understand how tough it is to start as a comedian.

00:36:12.000 As a famous person.

00:36:13.000 As a comedian.

00:36:15.000 Basically, you're Oprah Miker.

00:36:17.000 Just selling out all across the country.

00:36:19.000 And not only that...

00:36:20.000 But you're Eddie Murphy's brother.

00:36:23.000 Yeah.

00:36:23.000 So you got to fight past all of that shit creating your own identity.

00:36:27.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:36:28.000 Like, I cannot imagine, like, the heat he probably had.

00:36:32.000 Yeah, but he ain't Eddie Murphy.

00:36:34.000 Right.

00:36:34.000 He ain't Eddie Murphy.

00:36:35.000 And that's one of the things that when Charlie passed that I really appreciated about what the Chappelle Show did for him because when he passed away...

00:36:43.000 Nobody said Eddie Murphy's brother died.

00:36:46.000 Everybody was like, Charlie Murphy passed away.

00:36:49.000 So he had his true identity, and that was Charlie Murphy.

00:36:52.000 Yeah, and that was one of his bits.

00:36:55.000 Does it piss you off when people yell, Charlie Murphy?

00:36:58.000 He goes, no, I'm just happy they're not calling me Eddie Murphy's brother anymore.

00:37:01.000 That's funny.

00:37:01.000 I remember that.

00:37:02.000 That was like, at that time...

00:37:03.000 That was a joke that addressed it.

00:37:07.000 And he found himself.

00:37:10.000 He got better.

00:37:11.000 He got better.

00:37:12.000 And then he carved his own lane.

00:37:14.000 He carved his own lane.

00:37:16.000 Dude, I was with Maury Smith, who used to be the UFC heavyweight champion.

00:37:20.000 And Ivan Salivari, who's a guy who fought in the middleweight division of the UFC. And a couple other professional fighters at a table with Charlie Murphy.

00:37:28.000 And Charlie was explaining how none of these motherfuckers know how to do a Chicago Ridge hand.

00:37:33.000 He's talking about some karate shit.

00:37:35.000 Oh, he was big on the karate shit!

00:37:36.000 But it's like Charlie Murphy's holding court, standing up, all these UFC fighters are standing back.

00:37:42.000 And Charlie Murphy's talking about Ridgehand.

00:37:44.000 And he knew exactly what he was talking about, right?

00:37:46.000 Yeah, he knew how to fight, for sure.

00:37:49.000 He knew martial arts, man.

00:37:51.000 He was big into it.

00:37:53.000 He used to be Eddie's bodyguard when Eddie was right at the height of his stuff.

00:37:59.000 But Charlie was martial arts.

00:38:02.000 But everything that he said, it was the truth.

00:38:05.000 You didn't feel like, oh, this dude is lying.

00:38:07.000 Everything he said, it was the truth.

00:38:09.000 And one of the most genuine people you want to meet, man.

00:38:12.000 Just a dope guy.

00:38:13.000 Yeah, his karate lineage, like he has some sort of a connection to some of my friends.

00:38:18.000 I'd have to ask them, but he was like a legit martial artist, too.

00:38:21.000 I saw one video of him in a martial arts contest, and it was, I don't know, I always tell him, I was like, yo, you knocked a 14-year-old, right?

00:38:31.000 I don't know how he, I don't know if it was a weight or whatever it was, and I was like, yo, that was a fucking kid you just knocked out.

00:38:36.000 He was like, yo, anybody in the ring could fucking get it.

00:38:41.000 Why are they putting kids in with him?

00:38:43.000 I don't know.

00:38:44.000 I saw the video, he never wanted me to talk about it.

00:38:47.000 I used to bust his balls about him all the time.

00:38:49.000 I could tell being around him that he legitimately knew how to fight.

00:38:52.000 Yeah, you could tell.

00:38:53.000 The way he carries himself.

00:38:55.000 Yeah, he just had that...

00:38:56.000 That scowl, he just looks like that.

00:38:58.000 But he was one of the nicest guys, man.

00:39:01.000 He was so fun to be around.

00:39:03.000 Not knowing him at all and then traveling with him for 22 days.

00:39:07.000 We had so much fun, man.

00:39:09.000 Oh man, the stories.

00:39:10.000 All just laughing and silly and super friendly.

00:39:14.000 And all he wanted to do was, man, just have a good time and laugh.

00:39:19.000 That's all he wanted to do.

00:39:20.000 And talk shit.

00:39:21.000 And talk shit to me all the time.

00:39:22.000 And was so happy to be able to do stand-up.

00:39:25.000 That was a big thing for him, you know, that he could do stand-up and travel around.

00:39:28.000 I always tell him, I tell him all the time, I say, I birthed your career, dude.

00:39:32.000 Like, I bullied him into this shit.

00:39:34.000 He did.

00:39:34.000 That's hilarious.

00:39:35.000 But you could tell, and I've been around him and I've been around his family, and you could tell when he was growing up, he was the guy that always had the center of attention.

00:39:47.000 Yeah.

00:39:47.000 You could just tell that.

00:39:48.000 Yeah, you could tell.

00:39:49.000 He knows how to hold a story.

00:39:50.000 Yes, he does.

00:39:53.000 That was a hard one, man.

00:39:54.000 When he passed, I was like, I didn't know he was sick.

00:39:58.000 I had no idea.

00:39:59.000 You know, it's interesting that you say that because I had to continue to do shows, do radio interviews and stuff, and the thing that people kept saying was, he was so young.

00:40:10.000 He was so young.

00:40:12.000 And he was young, but I don't believe that we're all going to live to be 80, 90, 100, you know?

00:40:22.000 The only thing we all guarantee when we're born, we have our born date, we have that dash in the middle, and then we have the end.

00:40:30.000 And it comes down to what the fuck do you do with your dash?

00:40:34.000 How hard did you live?

00:40:36.000 What did you go for?

00:40:37.000 What inspired you?

00:40:39.000 What motivated you?

00:40:40.000 What did you do with that dash?

00:40:41.000 Who the fuck gives a fuck about living to 100 and you don't have a passport?

00:40:45.000 You haven't been outside of your block.

00:40:47.000 You haven't been out.

00:40:48.000 You have never been on an airplane.

00:40:50.000 What are you doing with your life?

00:40:51.000 And I know, Charlie, from the point of being in the Navy, To being with his brother, seeing his brother reach a certain height of success, being interested in the business, but kind of in there, but never really made your mark.

00:41:08.000 And then you get a platform that you become and get your identity and shit.

00:41:13.000 That's the dopest shit.

00:41:15.000 It's one of the best kind of success stories because it doesn't happen automatically.

00:41:20.000 It's that Frank Sinatra and I did it my way.

00:41:22.000 And it's like, you know, people say what they want to say, but he put the work in.

00:41:28.000 I remember when, I think the movie Eddie did called Norbit, right?

00:41:33.000 And it came from a joke Charlie had.

00:41:36.000 The start of that movie, and I guess, I think him and Eddie was talking, whatever, and then, you know how, oh, that could be, ba-ba-ba, it could be a movie, and motherfucker Charlie called me and said, yo, man, I think I get this movie deal.

00:41:47.000 I said, what you about to do?

00:41:49.000 He said, I'm about to go lock myself in a hotel for 30 days and write this motherfucker movie.

00:41:54.000 They already gave me the money.

00:41:57.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:41:58.000 I'm talking about, I'm not talking about somebody, I've been writing this movie for six months or whatever, it's like, I'm about to go Block everything off and write this shit.

00:42:08.000 And no matter what anybody want to say about how good the movie was, what the critics say, anybody in this business, if you can do something where it goes from a thought And it goes to the paper and you can execute it.

00:42:22.000 How many motherfuckers can do that?

00:42:24.000 They don't do that.

00:42:24.000 People talk shit all the motherfucking time.

00:42:27.000 But then you say, how many of you got in the can?

00:42:29.000 Yo, I write movies.

00:42:31.000 Give me a script.

00:42:32.000 Oh, hold on, hold on.

00:42:33.000 I'm almost...

00:42:33.000 I'm 30 pages in.

00:42:36.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:42:37.000 How many times do you hear that story?

00:42:39.000 Well, there's a lot of that going on.

00:42:40.000 I got a great idea.

00:42:42.000 All right, what is it?

00:42:43.000 I remember...

00:42:45.000 I was, that's when Chappelle's show was popping, and Ludacris gave me a lesson out of nowhere.

00:42:50.000 I saw him in the airport, and I was on Ashley Larry, hard.

00:42:53.000 I was like, rich bitch, man!

00:42:54.000 So I'm looking at rappers like, we're even, right?

00:42:57.000 So Ludacris comes to the airport.

00:42:58.000 I was like, yo, Luda!

00:43:00.000 Right?

00:43:01.000 He said, what's up, Ashley?

00:43:02.000 I said, yo, can the motherfucker get in a movie or something?

00:43:07.000 I just thought that's what you do.

00:43:08.000 You just ask a motherfucker to get a movie.

00:43:10.000 I'm like, can a motherfucker get a movie or something?

00:43:12.000 And he looked at me, Joe, it was so cold.

00:43:14.000 He looked at me right in my face.

00:43:16.000 He said, we're looking for people with ideas.

00:43:19.000 And I looked at him like, well, I have none, right?

00:43:22.000 So, I guess this is this conversation.

00:43:27.000 And it did.

00:43:28.000 And what I'm telling you, it was a lesson.

00:43:30.000 How the fuck are you going to ask somebody for something and you don't got shit to give them?

00:43:35.000 Well, a lot of guys in the beginning think that's how you do it.

00:43:38.000 That's how you do it.

00:43:39.000 When I was on HBO's The Wire, this motherfucker told me one time, he said, Yo, D, can you give me the number to The Wire?

00:43:45.000 I think I could do that shit.

00:43:47.000 This motherfucker thought that there was like a hotline from anybody from the streets.

00:43:53.000 You ever thought about being an actor?

00:43:55.000 You don't want to put those 10 years of getting rejected?

00:43:58.000 Just call this number and we'll put you on The Wire.

00:44:01.000 You know what gets me about acting, though, is when someone who's never acted before goes in there and kills it.

00:44:06.000 You know, like people who are, like athletes in particular, like rappers have done it.

00:44:11.000 Like a lot of people have done it.

00:44:12.000 Singers.

00:44:13.000 But some people, I believe that you have natural talents.

00:44:17.000 Yeah.

00:44:18.000 I think some people have natural talents.

00:44:20.000 That person, like you have a person that's trained and you have people that just are natural.

00:44:24.000 And then if you think about it, acting is just, it's playing make-believe.

00:44:30.000 It is just playing make-believe.

00:44:31.000 Who can play make-believe better?

00:44:33.000 Is it a person that for 12 years they've been studying and they went to the school?

00:44:40.000 Or is it a motherfucker that got that one story, that one character that they can nail?

00:44:44.000 Right.

00:44:44.000 Or is it the case of there's some people that'll do stand-up comedy for 30 years and they're never going to be that funny?

00:44:50.000 Or Dave could do it for a year and kill you?

00:44:54.000 Like Chappelle?

00:44:54.000 Yeah.

00:44:55.000 Oh yeah, he could kill...

00:44:55.000 But he's got...

00:44:56.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:44:57.000 There's some people that...

00:44:59.000 But he's just a whole different animal.

00:45:00.000 And the reason why I say that...

00:45:04.000 You're a great comic.

00:45:06.000 I consider myself a great comic.

00:45:08.000 I consider you a great comic.

00:45:10.000 I appreciate it.

00:45:11.000 And with that said, we do have egos.

00:45:14.000 As much as people talk about somebody, in your mind you're like, I'm great too, motherfucker.

00:45:20.000 And one day I was watching Dave on stage and I'm like, what makes this motherfucker great?

00:45:26.000 And I think, in my opinion, what makes it great is it's not too often that we have an opportunity to have a Muhammad Ali moment.

00:45:35.000 And when I say that, I mean a moment where you've got to throw everything on the table.

00:45:40.000 It's your integrity, your moral beliefs.

00:45:42.000 What do I want to stand on?

00:45:43.000 What do I want to stand for?

00:45:45.000 And that's how some people get attached to it.

00:45:48.000 Of course, Muhammad Ali was the greatest, but it wasn't just in the boxing ring what made him great.

00:45:53.000 It's what he stood for.

00:45:54.000 And I think when I look at Dave Chappelle, I look at his stand-up, and I look at his career, and I say, what made him great?

00:45:59.000 And that's a person that Stanley Belief is going to give you their unfiltered truth, and they own it.

00:46:07.000 And don't compromise, and don't back down to anything.

00:46:10.000 Well, he understands what's important about stand-up, especially the type of stand-up that he does.

00:46:15.000 He has to have full freedom.

00:46:17.000 Yep, that's how you...

00:46:18.000 I've heard you say shit on stage.

00:46:21.000 I'm like, that white boy, Musk, can fight.

00:46:23.000 I'm like, Certain white dudes, you like this, what the fuck just happened, son?

00:46:28.000 Like, that motherfucker got some suplex or something, you know?

00:46:32.000 He know how to hit you, like, you know, like in a certain part of your neck and your whole shit is fucked up, you know?

00:46:39.000 But those are people only.

00:46:40.000 I was talking to Tony Hinchcliffe.

00:46:42.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:46:43.000 He was doing this joke about...

00:46:45.000 What's the card, motherfucker?

00:46:48.000 Pedophile dude?

00:46:49.000 Oh, Jared from Subway.

00:46:51.000 Not Jared from Subway.

00:46:52.000 He's got a joke about Jared from Subway.

00:46:53.000 No, he got another pedophile motherfucker...

00:46:55.000 Another one?

00:46:56.000 Who's the other pedophile?

00:46:57.000 The other one.

00:46:57.000 He's a big actor.

00:46:58.000 Big time actor.

00:47:00.000 He had a Netflix show.

00:47:01.000 Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.

00:47:03.000 Spacey.

00:47:03.000 Kevin Spacey.

00:47:04.000 The whack off at the bar, dude.

00:47:05.000 Kevin Spacey.

00:47:06.000 Yeah, man.

00:47:06.000 Tony, watch this.

00:47:07.000 Oh my God.

00:47:07.000 That bit is crazy.

00:47:08.000 Man, that bit.

00:47:09.000 And you know, for me, that bit is so dope.

00:47:12.000 I'm like this.

00:47:12.000 I'm about to throw up.

00:47:13.000 Yeah.

00:47:14.000 I'm like, it's like this.

00:47:15.000 He won't stop.

00:47:17.000 Yes, he won't stop.

00:47:18.000 He owns it.

00:47:18.000 He's owning it.

00:47:19.000 And I told him, and it was just, like I said, I don't know if it's a movement, but I feel like I was recruiting him for a gang right now.

00:47:26.000 I saw him in the hallway, I was like, yeah, me and I. Dave Chappelle was just talking about the brand of comedy that you have.

00:47:32.000 Don't lose it.

00:47:33.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:47:34.000 Stay true to it.

00:47:35.000 Because as much as people fucking with us, they don't want you to say this, you want to say that.

00:47:39.000 Again, it's a handful of motherfuckers going to stay to their truth, and they're going to be rewarded for that shit.

00:47:45.000 Because the other shit is just bullshit, man.

00:47:48.000 Can't nobody tell you.

00:47:50.000 How the fuck is somebody going to tell you what you think is funny as a comedian?

00:47:54.000 And you don't even know if you think it's funny while you're doing it on stage.

00:47:58.000 You're trying to make it funny.

00:48:00.000 So there's a lot of stuff that people hear.

00:48:02.000 Maybe they only hear it once.

00:48:03.000 But you know it's funny.

00:48:04.000 You know it's funny, you just don't know where the funny is sometimes.

00:48:07.000 You don't know the rhythm of it because I don't know what your writing process is.

00:48:11.000 What's yours?

00:48:12.000 Mine is like...

00:48:14.000 It's a regular conversation.

00:48:16.000 Like, I have conversations with friends all day.

00:48:19.000 It's talking about pop, I mean, topical stuff.

00:48:22.000 And it's like, you know, people with sense of humor, it's like, you see the funniest side of anything.

00:48:27.000 Like, the Jesse Smiley, it's just Gil Cosby, Smollett, whatever the fuck it is.

00:48:31.000 Whatever it is.

00:48:32.000 All that shit.

00:48:33.000 You think something funny.

00:48:34.000 So, I never try to sit down like, I'm gonna write this perfect joke.

00:48:37.000 It's usually something that comes in a casual conversation.

00:48:40.000 And it's those moments, you know, you talk to somebody, you be like, oh, that's funny.

00:48:44.000 Usually that's where I start my writing, if something connects with me like that.

00:48:48.000 And I just go and believe in it and just force that shit to work.

00:48:54.000 Yeah, once you get on that stage with that idea and you're in that moment and you have just like...

00:48:59.000 Everybody understands the first time you're trying a new bit.

00:49:04.000 That's one of the weirdest moments ever.

00:49:05.000 Everybody don't take a chance.

00:49:06.000 That's one thing I say about you, the times I've watched you.

00:49:09.000 I call them pussy comics.

00:49:11.000 You know, motherfuckers just do a set.

00:49:12.000 Like, yo, I'm going to fuck somebody after this shit.

00:49:15.000 I'm just going to stand outside and hear good set, good set, good set.

00:49:18.000 Then you got the motherfuckers like, no, that was a thought from last week.

00:49:20.000 I got some more shit to talk about.

00:49:22.000 I got some more shit.

00:49:23.000 And you push those boundaries.

00:49:25.000 A lot of people don't do that shit.

00:49:27.000 You have to.

00:49:28.000 It's part of the business.

00:49:28.000 I can't respect them robot motherfuckers, son.

00:49:30.000 Them robot motherfuckers!

00:49:32.000 Talk to me!

00:49:33.000 Yo, them motherfuckers!

00:49:34.000 Talk to me!

00:49:34.000 You can go to sleep and you wake up and you get innocent!

00:49:38.000 Get the fuck out of here!

00:49:39.000 We know it worked, motherfucker!

00:49:42.000 Oh, no!

00:49:44.000 And here comes my closer!

00:49:46.000 Yo, I'm saving my closer!

00:49:48.000 You really want to touch the motherfucking nuts?

00:49:51.000 Open with your punk ass clothes, motherfucker.

00:49:54.000 Open with your clothes, and we'll see how much strip them other motherfuckers.

00:49:58.000 Flip that shit up.

00:49:59.000 Them motherfuckers, I call them the...

00:50:01.000 Yes!

00:50:04.000 But they got scared, and then they got better.

00:50:08.000 They got an act, and then they got scared again and never got rid of that act.

00:50:11.000 And then they can't stand for the right motherfucker to be in the room.

00:50:14.000 They can't stand for a motherfucker like this.

00:50:16.000 Oh, that's what you did, bro?

00:50:17.000 Guess what I'm gonna do?

00:50:18.000 I'm gonna flip a whole new set on your motherfuckers.

00:50:20.000 Maybe I want to do a set.

00:50:21.000 Maybe I'll just...

00:50:23.000 Build some shit from this one motherfucker right here.

00:50:27.000 Right.

00:50:27.000 Not a riff like, your pants so tight, but pull something from him and just turn this into a whole shit.

00:50:33.000 Yeah.

00:50:34.000 And then that hard drive starts coming.

00:50:35.000 Because you know, we got millions of jokes that we never use.

00:50:40.000 They just get stored on a hard drive.

00:50:42.000 Yes.

00:50:42.000 They like this.

00:50:43.000 People like this.

00:50:44.000 Is that your first time?

00:50:45.000 When did you come up with that?

00:50:46.000 15 years ago.

00:50:47.000 But the moment was now.

00:50:50.000 Yeah.

00:50:50.000 You know, it's going to go now.

00:50:52.000 You know?

00:50:52.000 Yeah.

00:50:53.000 And that's it.

00:50:53.000 I'm going to tell you.

00:50:54.000 I've been doing it for 25 years.

00:50:56.000 And after 25 years, I can honestly say I feel like I get better every year.

00:51:02.000 Me too.

00:51:02.000 I think the same thing.

00:51:03.000 That's somebody that's a...

00:51:05.000 A purist.

00:51:06.000 Yeah.

00:51:07.000 Yeah, me too.

00:51:08.000 And I think that...

00:51:08.000 I mean, good sets and bad sets when you're working on new stuff.

00:51:12.000 But I think overall, when I'm done after two years, each two years is better than the two years before when I'm ready to film.

00:51:18.000 Yeah.

00:51:18.000 I think that's what it's all about.

00:51:20.000 It's fun.

00:51:20.000 Man, if you're not out there...

00:51:21.000 If you're not out there creating a type of material where it's old...

00:51:26.000 Like...

00:51:27.000 I'm going to do another special...

00:51:29.000 Who are you doing it for?

00:51:30.000 Here's the tricky part.

00:51:32.000 I'm not on...

00:51:35.000 I might be on Netflix radar, but I don't have a deal with them, but I'm gonna, not by myself, but Dave Chappelle has gave me a verbal commitment that he's gonna produce my next special.

00:51:52.000 So, with that said, I don't have a home, but I'm pretty sure The level I've been operating with my stand-up, you know when you're ready.

00:52:08.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:52:09.000 It's like, I just know it, bro.

00:52:11.000 I just know it.

00:52:12.000 I think the energy that I bring to a special right now, and then the energy that he would bring to producing for me, it would just fucking blow up.

00:52:22.000 And this is not something like, I'm not calling Dave up every day like, dude, you got to do my special.

00:52:26.000 Every time I work with him, he was like, you got to let me do your special.

00:52:29.000 I'm like, let's go, motherfucker.

00:52:31.000 Yeah.

00:52:32.000 So...

00:52:33.000 I feel good about that.

00:52:35.000 I'm not saying that I'm eyeing this place, I'm eyeing that place.

00:52:39.000 First thing I want to do is put an hour of material that when it plays, it can change my life.

00:52:46.000 Well, I've been seeing you at the store, man.

00:52:48.000 You're locked in.

00:52:50.000 You can tell you're doing a lot of sets.

00:52:52.000 Yo, I want reps.

00:52:55.000 Yeah, that's what's up.

00:52:56.000 What do you do, bro?

00:52:57.000 I can't fucking stay home for reps.

00:52:59.000 Gotta have reps.

00:53:00.000 Never catch a motherfucker off guard.

00:53:02.000 Yeah, sometimes I'll do four sets in a night in L.A. I did.

00:53:05.000 I did.

00:53:06.000 And I was so proud of myself.

00:53:08.000 I got six sets in in a night in L.A. Wow.

00:53:12.000 And I was so fucking happy because that's a normal night in New York.

00:53:15.000 Yeah.

00:53:16.000 But in L.A., you got to plan that shit.

00:53:18.000 Yeah.

00:53:19.000 You got to hit sunset.

00:53:21.000 It's got to be like, boom, I'm out.

00:53:22.000 But you feel like...

00:53:24.000 You feel like you just can do whatever you want.

00:53:28.000 Because you know if you're starting off with something new on that first one, you got four more.

00:53:32.000 By the time the night is over, you got that motherfucker.

00:53:35.000 Yeah, when you're doing reps the same night too, when you hit that third set, it's almost like you're in this weird flow state where there's no resistance between you and the ideas.

00:53:44.000 The material just comes out so loose.

00:53:46.000 And then you know the thing you got to do is one thing to have a joke.

00:53:51.000 A motherfucker can write a joke.

00:53:53.000 And that's why you see some motherfuckers, you just tell them that they're a good writer.

00:53:57.000 But there's nothing, there's no performance of it.

00:54:00.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:54:00.000 There's no performance.

00:54:01.000 That brings me back to Brewer.

00:54:04.000 Brewer wasn't just funny writing.

00:54:06.000 He would get physical.

00:54:07.000 He'd stretch his neck out.

00:54:08.000 Man, he would do shit.

00:54:12.000 Man, I'm telling you, the Boston Comedy Club years ago, Barry Katz ran and owned it at the time.

00:54:18.000 And that was the premier showcase spot.

00:54:20.000 Yeah, it's a great place.

00:54:21.000 It was running neck and neck with the Comedy Cellar.

00:54:24.000 Comedy Cellar had the longest legs.

00:54:25.000 You know, it's the tortoise and the hare.

00:54:27.000 Comedy Cellar has been in forever.

00:54:28.000 But this spot, and it was Jim Brewer.

00:54:30.000 It was John Brown Boy, Johnny.

00:54:34.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:54:35.000 It was two guys.

00:54:37.000 What is it?

00:54:38.000 And Round Boy something?

00:54:39.000 Fat Johnny and Round Boy?

00:54:41.000 Was that it?

00:54:41.000 Yeah, they would demolish it.

00:54:43.000 Is that how you say it?

00:54:43.000 Yep.

00:54:44.000 Something like that.

00:54:45.000 And then you had a motherfucking 17-year-old.

00:54:47.000 The Round Guy?

00:54:48.000 One of them.

00:54:49.000 Fat Johnny and the Round Guy?

00:54:50.000 They all dads now.

00:54:52.000 Yeah.

00:54:52.000 I forget the name.

00:54:53.000 That was a time where comedy was on fire, and Jim Brewer would demolish it.

00:54:58.000 Jay Moore used to demolish it.

00:55:00.000 It was a great spot.

00:55:01.000 It was one of those real small clubs.

00:55:04.000 Like, what did that seat...

00:55:06.000 Probably 125, 130. But it was like, it was old comedy club vibe, brick wall, tightness.

00:55:13.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:55:14.000 It reminds you of like...

00:55:16.000 Red Johnny and the Round Guy, right?

00:55:17.000 Is that it?

00:55:18.000 Ah, beautiful.

00:55:19.000 It reminds you, yeah.

00:55:21.000 Red Johnny.

00:55:22.000 Look at Jon Stewart.

00:55:23.000 Look at those guys.

00:55:24.000 They were on TV. They were a team.

00:55:26.000 They got on a pants we had on Earth.

00:55:27.000 No, no, no.

00:55:29.000 Mine were more pathetic.

00:55:30.000 You know who I used to follow at the comedy store that also changed my life?

00:55:35.000 Martin Lawrence in the 90s.

00:55:37.000 People forgot.

00:55:38.000 You came behind him in the 90s?

00:55:40.000 Dude, I used to be the guy who had to go on after him.

00:55:44.000 Mitzi used to always stick me on after Martin Lawrence.

00:55:45.000 And I know he was an animal then.

00:55:47.000 I'm going to tell you, the first time I saw Martin Lawrence, and it was kind of made me...

00:55:53.000 I was interested in comedy.

00:55:54.000 I was in D.C. I was laying up in the bed with this chick.

00:55:58.000 And HBO... You know, when it was like...

00:56:02.000 It was like...

00:56:05.000 Yo, you just had popcorn for...

00:56:09.000 Yeah.

00:56:09.000 So, Martin Lawrence came out there.

00:56:12.000 They was like, ladies and gentlemen, give it up for Martin Lawrence.

00:56:14.000 And he sees this little black dude, big-ass, skinny motherfucker with all his energy.

00:56:18.000 And this motherfucker opened the line.

00:56:20.000 He said, give it up for...

00:56:23.000 A brother making money the right way.

00:56:25.000 He said, when you making money the right way, you can tell your lady shit like, shut the fuck up.

00:56:33.000 I woke up, I was in the bed like, who is this motherfucker, right?

00:56:37.000 He said, you can tell your lady, she's like, shut the fuck up.

00:56:41.000 People's like, woo, woo, woo.

00:56:43.000 And then he said, and he said, after that, he said, and she'll shut up too.

00:56:48.000 He said, she'll be like, you so crazy.

00:56:52.000 And like, who has...

00:56:55.000 Come on, son.

00:56:56.000 The first sentence, you like, like, boom.

00:57:00.000 Yeah.

00:57:00.000 And he ripped that shit.

00:57:02.000 Yes.

00:57:02.000 And if you was fucking with that shit, it was like, it was everything Martin did.

00:57:06.000 That was a good time.

00:57:07.000 He was going on stage with leather jumpsuits on, and I was going on after him.

00:57:11.000 It was devastating.

00:57:12.000 Well, you know you're already going to make it or made it if you're going on with leather jumpsuits and you're hitting comedy clubs.

00:57:18.000 Well, it was just people were getting up in droves.

00:57:20.000 By the time I would go on stage, everybody just wanted out of the building.

00:57:23.000 That was, and this is what I'll say.

00:57:25.000 What year was that?

00:57:26.000 Night.

00:57:26.000 94. That was when?

00:57:29.000 That's when specials were really specials.

00:57:32.000 Right.

00:57:32.000 There wasn't that many of them.

00:57:33.000 That's when it wasn't that many of them.

00:57:37.000 HBO was it.

00:57:38.000 Yeah, HBO was it.

00:57:40.000 And that was one of those specials where, and that's what I'm saying with the next one I do, you never can plan stuff like that, but the energy I want to have is the energy out of that.

00:57:49.000 It's like, this is going to change my life.

00:57:52.000 And that was the energy.

00:57:53.000 And that's why you're so crazy.

00:57:54.000 You could just feel it.

00:57:56.000 I can't imagine when he was done with that.

00:57:58.000 Everybody came up like this.

00:57:59.000 You know your life is about to change.

00:58:01.000 You know, like a Bernie Mac with I'm Scared of You Motherfuckers.

00:58:07.000 You know the story behind that?

00:58:08.000 That's an all-time classic.

00:58:09.000 Do you know the story behind it?

00:58:10.000 No.

00:58:11.000 The story behind it, it was this comic from DC named Butch Burns.

00:58:15.000 Butch Burns was a DC legend, right?

00:58:17.000 He was a senior guy of all of us in DC. Tony Woods and Joe Rector.

00:58:22.000 He was a senior guy.

00:58:24.000 So in Def Jam, nobody really knew what Def Jam was going to be.

00:58:27.000 It was just a new show.

00:58:29.000 So Butch Burns had a set And he didn't do well.

00:58:33.000 He bombed.

00:58:34.000 Like, throwing chicken bones.

00:58:37.000 I'm not saying it's because it was a black audience.

00:58:39.000 I'm just saying.

00:58:40.000 They was throwing bottles on the stage.

00:58:42.000 They booed the shit out of this dude.

00:58:44.000 Martin couldn't contain the audience.

00:58:46.000 Martin couldn't do anything.

00:58:48.000 It was just one of those things.

00:58:48.000 You ever seen a room that's so fucked up that can't anybody do anything?

00:58:52.000 The only thing you're saying is, okay, just let me go on.

00:58:54.000 So Butch Burns' career was dead.

00:58:57.000 He's leaving...

00:58:58.000 Going up backstage, and he talked to Bernie Mac.

00:59:01.000 Bernie Mac said, listen, hold your head up.

00:59:03.000 He said, the sun's not shining on you today, but it'll shine on you again.

00:59:07.000 Just hold your head up.

00:59:08.000 You'll be all right.

00:59:09.000 And next on deck was Bernie Mac.

00:59:14.000 Audience that was uncontrollable.

00:59:16.000 Martin couldn't do anything.

00:59:18.000 It was just like this.

00:59:18.000 Nigga, you on your own, right?

00:59:20.000 It was one of the moments.

00:59:22.000 And that's where the phrase, I ain't scared of you motherfuckers, came from.

00:59:26.000 That wasn't in his set.

00:59:28.000 It was a real motherfucking comic figuring out what he's going to do in this moment.

00:59:33.000 And he had to...

00:59:35.000 Let me hear this.

00:59:36.000 Give me some volume.

00:59:38.000 I ain't coming from no foolishness.

00:59:39.000 No, get it from the beginning.

00:59:42.000 I ain't scared of you motherfuckers!

00:59:44.000 Right off the gate!

00:59:44.000 Rewind it!

00:59:45.000 I'm gonna tell you something!

00:59:45.000 Rewind it!

00:59:46.000 That's what I'm trying to tell you!

00:59:47.000 I'm telling you the history!

00:59:48.000 I ain't scared of you motherfuckers!

00:59:50.000 Rewind it!

00:59:50.000 One more time!

00:59:51.000 Okay!

00:59:51.000 Alright, stop it!

00:59:52.000 Can you pause for one second?

00:59:54.000 Now, this is after a motherfucker's career was buried.

00:59:58.000 This is after Bernie Mac.

01:00:00.000 He came on the year before that and I think he thought he was dressed too old.

01:00:03.000 He had like a Steve Harvey suit on.

01:00:04.000 So he wanted to appeal to the youth a little bit more.

01:00:06.000 That's why he got the graffiti thing.

01:00:08.000 And he's backstage saying like, this could change my career.

01:00:11.000 Another motherfucker's career is over.

01:00:13.000 And this is a real comedian.

01:00:15.000 This first line out the motherfucking box.

01:00:18.000 I ain't scared of you motherfuckers.

01:00:21.000 I'm going to tell you something straight off the motherfucking press.

01:00:25.000 I ain't coming for no foolishness.

01:00:26.000 In New York, goddammit, y'all motherfuckin' women look good.

01:00:30.000 Y'all like a bacon and egg sandwich look good.

01:00:32.000 But I love sex.

01:00:33.000 I love it.

01:00:35.000 Can't do shit no more.

01:00:35.000 Look at their face!

01:00:36.000 They bored!

01:00:37.000 And I'm blessed.

01:00:42.000 Yeah, we got a...

01:00:44.000 Although we're getting kicked off YouTube if we keep playing it.

01:00:46.000 Oh, man!

01:00:47.000 But the build-up!

01:00:48.000 When he first get that...

01:00:50.000 When he first do that...

01:00:52.000 Yeah.

01:00:54.000 You know, well...

01:00:56.000 You don't understand.

01:00:57.000 He called back.

01:01:00.000 Oh, man.

01:01:02.000 Now you see the emotion of it.

01:01:04.000 Yeah.

01:01:04.000 It was like...

01:01:05.000 I guarantee the energy he wanted to have to rip was there.

01:01:09.000 But the story, the backstory, it being in that moment.

01:01:13.000 And at the end of the day...

01:01:15.000 Who gonna be prepared for those moments, yo?

01:01:17.000 Right.

01:01:18.000 Motherfuckers not built for that shit no more.

01:01:20.000 You gotta do reps.

01:01:21.000 You gotta do reps.

01:01:22.000 They not built for it.

01:01:23.000 They got a motherfucking excuse for everything.

01:01:25.000 You ever go to a motherfucking room and they be talking about how's the crowd?

01:01:28.000 Motherfucker, fuck the crowd.

01:01:29.000 How are you?

01:01:31.000 Oh, was the crowd lame?

01:01:33.000 No.

01:01:33.000 You were lame, bruh.

01:01:35.000 It ain't their job.

01:01:36.000 It's our motherfucking job.

01:01:38.000 I thought I was going hard in the paint.

01:01:39.000 No, I'm just saying it's our fucking job.

01:01:41.000 You're right.

01:01:41.000 And I've heard you in your podcast talking about no excuses.

01:01:44.000 And I feel like the things you say about no excuses, yeah, it's easy to make an excuse.

01:01:48.000 But at the end of the day, it's an excuse.

01:01:50.000 Yeah.

01:01:51.000 You got two excuses.

01:01:52.000 You got a good excuse and you got a bad excuse.

01:01:54.000 Well, you know what?

01:01:54.000 You could have an explanation for failure with no excuse.

01:01:58.000 What do you mean?

01:01:59.000 We can talk about how you failed and why you failed.

01:02:01.000 Don't have an excuse, but go, I fucked up.

01:02:04.000 I came out.

01:02:04.000 I was flat.

01:02:06.000 I didn't concentrate.

01:02:07.000 I know what it was.

01:02:07.000 Yeah, I know what it was.

01:02:08.000 I fucked up.

01:02:09.000 And don't use it.

01:02:11.000 Like I say, this crowd sucked.

01:02:12.000 That's the wrong way to look at it.

01:02:13.000 That doesn't help you at all.

01:02:15.000 Man, anytime I hear a comedian say, how were they?

01:02:17.000 No, I ain't never seen it.

01:02:18.000 How are you?

01:02:19.000 Because guess what?

01:02:20.000 We don't know what's going to happen, bro.

01:02:23.000 We don't know if that motherfucker in the front row is thinking about a funeral.

01:02:27.000 We don't know that.

01:02:29.000 But it's our job to, kind of, going back to what you said earlier, in a sense, we read people's minds through their body.

01:02:39.000 You can tell.

01:02:40.000 You can watch the show.

01:02:42.000 You can be like, oh, she was so upset because I said that.

01:02:45.000 You can just look at the body.

01:02:46.000 You know the posture.

01:02:48.000 You know everything.

01:02:50.000 And then we feed off of that.

01:02:51.000 But who's going to be fucking ready for that?

01:02:53.000 And there's so many of these motherfuckers.

01:02:55.000 And I'm not going off, but it's just frustrating when you see motherfuckers out here making excuses.

01:03:03.000 Well, it's not good for everybody that's around them.

01:03:06.000 That's also part of the problem.

01:03:07.000 See, when a guy like you is around me, or, you know, a guy like Tony Hinchcliffe, or people who are just going forward, who live in the comedy life, like you're writing, you're always writing new material, that's empowering.

01:03:18.000 I want to be around you guys.

01:03:19.000 I want to talk.

01:03:20.000 I can't be around them motherfuckers to talk.

01:03:21.000 You know as motherfuckers, I've been around motherfuckers that got more bomb material than they got real material.

01:03:26.000 Yes.

01:03:27.000 You know motherfuckers gotta, oh, that you do.

01:03:29.000 I did my bomb set.

01:03:31.000 And they're waiting.

01:03:34.000 Just one joke don't work and be like, oh, and then they slide into their bomb and shit.

01:03:39.000 They bomb set.

01:03:40.000 Don't have no bomb material.

01:03:41.000 Who the fuck writes material to bomb in?

01:03:44.000 Yo, in case they throw tomatoes, I got the old tomato bit.

01:03:49.000 My uncle grew tomatoes back.

01:03:50.000 That's why that's not going to hurt me.

01:03:52.000 Go hard and go home.

01:03:53.000 Yeah, it's a ridiculous idea to have a set that you do when the audience is shitty.

01:03:57.000 I mean, you know we got certain shit.

01:04:00.000 If something come your way, you can bounce off.

01:04:02.000 But I'm talking about these motherfuckers actually right.

01:04:04.000 Yeah.

01:04:05.000 Oh, that's ridiculous.

01:04:06.000 In the event that I bomb, it's going to go that way.

01:04:10.000 Fuck that.

01:04:11.000 They're bombing bits.

01:04:12.000 And I'm a person that just loves doing it.

01:04:20.000 Love getting better.

01:04:21.000 And I tell people all the time, if you liked any of the things that I've done, whether it was HBO's The Wire, Chappelle's show and other stuff, If you come see me do stand-up, you'll become a complete fan.

01:04:32.000 Because like you said earlier, that's the one thing that we control.

01:04:36.000 We don't have to have an audition for that shit.

01:04:38.000 We don't have to motherfucking get tested for it.

01:04:41.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:04:41.000 Like, oh, I made it to the test.

01:04:43.000 We don't have to fucking...

01:04:44.000 We don't have to pitch it and you know it's a good thing and they say fuck you anyway.

01:04:50.000 You can't fuck with us with that.

01:04:52.000 It's like, that's what we are, the executive producer, the producer, the line producer, we everything.

01:05:00.000 And you can't do it.

01:05:01.000 It's us and a motherfucking mic.

01:05:04.000 And at the end of the day, no matter what success I feel, Joe, we get with this, whatever level, I'm in your big ass shit, you hit it.

01:05:12.000 You know, whether it's TV or movies, Nothing is going to ever be able to take away from you being a flat-footed motherfucker that can stand in an audience and you've built your stand-up name enough where,

01:05:30.000 for the most part of the rest of your life, you'll be able to create a good living off of your name, off of doing stand-up.

01:05:37.000 Hollywood don't have to call you for that.

01:05:38.000 Yeah, that's big too.

01:05:40.000 But if you respect what it is, that you have a relationship with those people, you have to write for them, you have to work on your stuff, you have to be diligent, you have to have an ethic about it.

01:05:52.000 You don't want to rip anybody off.

01:05:53.000 You want them to see a great show.

01:05:55.000 You want to do your best.

01:05:56.000 You want to do your best?

01:05:57.000 I feel bad.

01:05:57.000 And it's so weird.

01:05:58.000 You know how we are.

01:05:59.000 I could do a show, a comedy club, like 500 people.

01:06:05.000 498 motherfuckers I'm destroying.

01:06:08.000 And it's two motherfuckers just not feeling me.

01:06:11.000 And I need to get their undefined attention.

01:06:14.000 It's like, I don't even hear the laughter.

01:06:17.000 I'm like, you don't fucking like me.

01:06:19.000 Now let's talk about it.

01:06:21.000 You know who's the worst at that?

01:06:22.000 Nick DiPaolo.

01:06:23.000 Well, he'll go at one person?

01:06:24.000 He gets so mad!

01:06:25.000 He sees someone like this, and the whole rest of the audience is dying, and someone's giving him the stink eye.

01:06:30.000 He's like, what's your fucking problem?

01:06:32.000 Yeah.

01:06:33.000 You can't, you're just like that, and it's like, and you won't stop until that person doesn't have a problem or they leave.

01:06:39.000 Yeah, that's a weird thing, man.

01:06:41.000 It's called undivided attention.

01:06:42.000 You get committed to wanting everybody to love you.

01:06:45.000 That's impossible.

01:06:46.000 There's also people that will fuck with you for extra attention.

01:06:49.000 They want you to look at them with their arms crossed because they need attention.

01:06:54.000 They're the same people that protest shit where it doesn't really necessarily make sense.

01:06:58.000 They spend so much time and effort thinking about these things.

01:07:00.000 Let me tell you something.

01:07:01.000 It's so funny you said about protest because...

01:07:10.000 Last couple of years, comedy has been interesting.

01:07:12.000 There's a lot of people...

01:07:14.000 That are fans of Donald Trump.

01:07:16.000 A lot of people that aren't fans of Donald Trump.

01:07:19.000 And I think it's petty for you to be upset with anybody because they chose to vote for whoever they chose to vote for.

01:07:28.000 I think it's stupid as shit.

01:07:30.000 But I will say this past election was interesting in the sense that a lot of people were upset.

01:07:36.000 Black people were upset the last election.

01:07:38.000 Women were upset.

01:07:39.000 Gay people were upset.

01:07:40.000 But white people were really upset.

01:07:43.000 Like white people were the angriest.

01:07:46.000 And white people did not protest.

01:07:49.000 They voted.

01:07:50.000 Black people was like, black lives matter.

01:07:52.000 White people was like, we'll see about that in the morning.

01:07:55.000 And whenever you hear someone says, we'll see about that in the morning, it's going to be some change.

01:08:01.000 It's going to be some change.

01:08:03.000 But comedy, I don't think comedy should be a place where people exercise anger or be angry.

01:08:14.000 How so?

01:08:15.000 In what way?

01:08:16.000 That, like, being mad.

01:08:20.000 Like, when Donald Trump first got elected, you know, personally, like, it was very interesting.

01:08:27.000 And I've seen a lot of comics.

01:08:28.000 They could just go up there and be like, fuck Donald Trump!

01:08:31.000 And just, ah!

01:08:33.000 Right.

01:08:33.000 You know, you could find a way.

01:08:37.000 To say, fuck Donald Trump or anybody, but it doesn't have to be fueled with any anger.

01:08:43.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:08:44.000 It doesn't have to be fueled like, fuck you, be like this.

01:08:46.000 Fuck him.

01:08:46.000 Okay, why?

01:08:47.000 Why do you say that?

01:08:48.000 Why do you say fuck him?

01:08:49.000 And then allow the reason, but I just don't think that people should be angry about how they feel about...

01:08:57.000 I think it's fucked up when politics make people angry.

01:09:01.000 It's contrary to what you were saying was great about Chappelle's show.

01:09:04.000 Mm-hmm.

01:09:06.000 That the comedy came without being angry.

01:09:08.000 Right.

01:09:08.000 But it made great points.

01:09:09.000 But even anybody on both sides could laugh at it.

01:09:13.000 Yeah.

01:09:14.000 Yeah.

01:09:14.000 The thing about Trump that's...

01:09:16.000 It's interesting.

01:09:17.000 It's like...

01:09:19.000 The job shouldn't exist.

01:09:20.000 The job of what?

01:09:22.000 President?

01:09:22.000 Yes.

01:09:23.000 It shouldn't exist.

01:09:24.000 It's a ridiculous idea to have 300 million people under the guidance of one.

01:09:30.000 That's insane.

01:09:32.000 And that one wins in a popularity contest?

01:09:35.000 That's insane.

01:09:36.000 It's fucking insane.

01:09:37.000 It doesn't make sense.

01:09:38.000 It was a great idea back when there were pilgrims and it was a small colony.

01:09:42.000 And they just came over on a boat.

01:09:43.000 Forget about the rest of this shit.

01:09:44.000 There's just too many humans.

01:09:46.000 So when you let a guy like that try to be present, you're not going to be happy.

01:09:52.000 No one's going to be happy.

01:09:52.000 But you're not going to be happy if anybody wins.

01:09:55.000 It's untenable.

01:09:56.000 Look at Obama.

01:09:57.000 Obama aged like how many years?

01:09:59.000 In eight years.

01:10:00.000 He looked like he aged 20 years.

01:10:02.000 They all do that.

01:10:02.000 I call it the Ted Danson effect.

01:10:04.000 Once chairs got canceled...

01:10:06.000 You was like, who the fuck is that?

01:10:09.000 Yo, the first time you saw Ted dancing, I'm not talking about years after Cheaters.

01:10:13.000 Like, after the first, you're like, goddamn!

01:10:15.000 He stopped dying his hair.

01:10:16.000 Yeah.

01:10:17.000 Yeah, man.

01:10:18.000 There's something about Trump before that that people enjoyed.

01:10:22.000 He was in a lot of rap lyrics.

01:10:24.000 Man, he was like the ultimate.

01:10:26.000 People would probably still be...

01:10:28.000 If he was a rapper instead of wrestling right now, it'd be different.

01:10:31.000 He'd still be popular.

01:10:32.000 People rapped about him.

01:10:33.000 They liked that lifestyle.

01:10:34.000 But the thing was, I'll tell you this, my thoughts.

01:10:37.000 The thing was, because you thought...

01:10:41.000 You knew a person.

01:10:42.000 You thought you knew him.

01:10:44.000 And even when he got elected, I think a lot of people thought they knew him.

01:10:48.000 Right.

01:10:48.000 They thought they knew him.

01:10:50.000 They thought the image, like, you ain't gonna be the billion-dollar Playboy guy forever, but you thought you knew him.

01:10:55.000 But then when you got to know him, you started to think, well, maybe I didn't know him.

01:11:01.000 When you got to see him as president.

01:11:03.000 Yeah, you get what I'm saying?

01:11:04.000 Like, I don't think, even as much as, even how he got elected, people were upset about it.

01:11:10.000 But I think a lot of people at some point, they were like, you know what, maybe all of that shit was just to get elected.

01:11:20.000 Maybe that energy was to get elected.

01:11:23.000 And if that was the case, then he mastered it.

01:11:25.000 He mastered how to get connected with his base.

01:11:28.000 He mastered how to get not everybody to fuck with you, but just the right amount of people.

01:11:36.000 He looked at the numbers.

01:11:37.000 It wasn't about the...

01:11:39.000 It was a popularity contest, but it was also new, like, these are the people that got hit.

01:11:42.000 And he figured that out.

01:11:44.000 I think at some point, Joe, people were like, all right.

01:11:49.000 Okay, it's over now.

01:11:50.000 Let's see who you really are.

01:11:52.000 And I think it's so many examples of when you felt like he could have showed people example that he's for everybody opposed to just his base.

01:12:04.000 And I think that's what makes people frustrated.

01:12:08.000 He gives the impression that, you know, I only care about these people that elected me.

01:12:16.000 You won.

01:12:18.000 Right?

01:12:18.000 But you have responsibility to everybody.

01:12:20.000 And I just don't have that feeling.

01:12:22.000 Even on my social media, I don't go hard.

01:12:24.000 I keep it kind of neutral.

01:12:26.000 But I said something and somebody said, well, the last time I checked downhill, the economy was doing well.

01:12:32.000 And I said, you can't confuse the economy with humanity.

01:12:36.000 And that's the thing, and that's what people don't feel good about.

01:12:40.000 You can tout all the numbers you want, black unemployment, all the numbers, but how do people feel?

01:12:50.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:12:51.000 They feel represented.

01:12:52.000 They don't feel represented.

01:12:55.000 They don't feel...

01:12:56.000 Like, I could rock either way, bro.

01:12:58.000 Democrat, Republican.

01:12:59.000 I make enough money where a lot of the views of Republicans are like, yo, that's right up my alley.

01:13:04.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:13:05.000 Like, you got that right.

01:13:06.000 I'm rich, bitch!

01:13:07.000 And you know, like, I fucked some Republican bitches before.

01:13:12.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:13:13.000 I get it.

01:13:14.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:13:14.000 But at the same time, it's the...

01:13:16.000 And it may not sound right to a lot of people, but it's the human factor of it.

01:13:22.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:13:22.000 Like, you want to feel good.

01:13:27.000 Why so many people don't know the economy is doing well?

01:13:31.000 Because they don't feel good.

01:13:32.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:13:33.000 You want to celebrate.

01:13:34.000 You want to cheer.

01:13:35.000 You want to feel good about it.

01:13:36.000 And that's the whole thing.

01:13:37.000 And I think...

01:13:38.000 I believe...

01:13:41.000 When Obama ran, like his campaign was changed, Donald Trump would make America great again.

01:13:46.000 Either one of them could have ran off each other's campaign slogan.

01:13:51.000 Do you know after Bush, Obama could have said, make America great again.

01:13:55.000 And it would have electrified a debate the same as change.

01:13:59.000 True.

01:13:59.000 They said the same fucking thing.

01:14:01.000 That would be the great thing for Obama to say right after Bush.

01:14:04.000 And I'm going to tell you, one thing that kind of...

01:14:09.000 I don't know, insulting or get people upset is like, you keep pushing the narrative, make America great again, make America great again.

01:14:17.000 You keep pushing it as if America was so fucked up before you took office, and that's not the case.

01:14:24.000 Like, when Obama took it from Bush, he was making America great again.

01:14:32.000 You're talking about a shit show.

01:14:34.000 And the thing that people, however you took it, respected or not, it was never nothing laced with anger.

01:14:41.000 It was never, it wasn't no, yo, you see this mess Bush left me?

01:14:46.000 It was never like, ah, this motherfucker.

01:14:49.000 It was never no mention.

01:14:50.000 Do you see that new movie about Bush?

01:14:52.000 Do you see it?

01:14:52.000 I didn't see it either.

01:14:53.000 What's it called, Jamie?

01:14:54.000 Is it out?

01:14:56.000 The one with Vice?

01:14:57.000 Yeah, Vice.

01:14:58.000 About Dick Cheney and George Bush.

01:15:01.000 Whenever I think about it, I say the movie about getting shot in the face.

01:15:04.000 Because that's the only scene I want to see.

01:15:08.000 Well, the thing about Bush and Cheney is that movie kind of makes it seem like Cheney was the guy pulling the strings, and Bush was this simple, happy-go-lucky guy who they just roped into being president because he was the son of a president.

01:15:21.000 That's not far-fetched, though.

01:15:22.000 It's not far-fetched at all.

01:15:23.000 It's not at all.

01:15:24.000 Not even remotely.

01:15:25.000 I think I actually agree with it.

01:15:26.000 When I think about Bush now, I don't think about him in a negative way, but I think about Cheney in a negative way.

01:15:31.000 Really?

01:15:32.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:15:32.000 I think about Halliburton.

01:15:34.000 I think about all the rebuilding of the places that we blew up.

01:15:38.000 All the crazy shit.

01:15:39.000 From Dick Cheney.

01:15:40.000 Coming from Dick Cheney.

01:15:41.000 No-bid contracts that are worth billions of dollars to rebuild.

01:15:44.000 You know, it's interesting you say that about the Bush because if I had...

01:15:48.000 I know it may sound crazy.

01:15:49.000 If I had to have a pick of who I would have wanted to be the Republican candidate, it was on the Republican side.

01:15:58.000 I like Jeb Bush.

01:16:00.000 I didn't really get to know him at all.

01:16:02.000 There was something that I don't know.

01:16:05.000 I don't know too much about it.

01:16:07.000 I just thought that...

01:16:11.000 He was kind of like a mama's boy.

01:16:13.000 I think he probably, out of all the kids, I probably think that he probably was the one that thought a little outside of what their norm was.

01:16:21.000 I think he was a successful businessman, too.

01:16:23.000 Yeah, they didn't marry a Latino chick, if I'm not mistaken.

01:16:25.000 I don't know about them.

01:16:26.000 But I just, I don't know, but Bush, I mean, Trump fucked him up.

01:16:30.000 He did fuck him up.

01:16:31.000 Yo, how do you fuck motherfuckers up with just nicknames?

01:16:33.000 I felt like he wanted to lay down.

01:16:35.000 I felt like Jeb wanted to lay down.

01:16:37.000 I really do.

01:16:37.000 I felt like the pressure got to him.

01:16:39.000 Trump put all the motherfuckers, like, you were safe until you got your nickname.

01:16:44.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:16:45.000 Once you got Lion.

01:16:46.000 Yeah, Lion 10. No energy.

01:16:48.000 No energy, Jim.

01:16:49.000 You know that motherfucker was like, he can name rap artists.

01:16:52.000 Yeah.

01:16:53.000 No, it was a smart thing he did that no one's ever done before.

01:16:55.000 It's a lot of things.

01:16:57.000 Even when Obama got elected, you know what got Obama elected was Facebook and $5 contributions, $5 donations.

01:17:08.000 When Obama was running, he was the first person to use Facebook the way he did.

01:17:16.000 Really?

01:17:16.000 Oh, man, they have so many.

01:17:18.000 Every goddamn day, it was Obama asking.

01:17:21.000 He wouldn't ask for, like, millions.

01:17:23.000 He was just like a dude in the hood.

01:17:25.000 Yo, let me hold $5, right?

01:17:29.000 Like, I would get an email, hey, this is Barack Obama.

01:17:31.000 Yo, let me hold $10, right?

01:17:33.000 And I was like, yeah, here you go, $10, right?

01:17:37.000 And then a week later, he asked for fucking $20, right?

01:17:41.000 And then he would ask for 10 again, and then it got so bad, then Michelle would send me an email.

01:17:46.000 But he just, he'd nickel and dime America, and that's what supported his campaign.

01:17:51.000 And the fact that he was right at the turn of a form of media that you could use to your advantage.

01:18:01.000 He was the Facebook guy.

01:18:02.000 He reached people to Facebook.

01:18:04.000 Donald Trump was doing the same thing through Twitter.

01:18:06.000 I can reach people.

01:18:07.000 Why does he tweet so much?

01:18:08.000 Why does he tweet so much every day?

01:18:10.000 Because he knows motherfuckers would rather pick up a phone and read a treat than to read a newspaper.

01:18:16.000 100%.

01:18:17.000 Fuck that.

01:18:18.000 All I need is headlines.

01:18:19.000 Yeah, way more people reading tweets versus newspapers, right?

01:18:23.000 I'd be stunned.

01:18:24.000 Like, if you could get to see that exact engagement in a good article in the New York Times on the front page versus one of Donald Trump's tweets.

01:18:33.000 The only two people that motherfuckers are just waiting for their tweets to come out is Donald Trump and Kanye West.

01:18:38.000 Those are the two most interesting tweet people.

01:18:41.000 Kanye West could just say grapefruit juice and fuck up all of the media the next day.

01:18:47.000 What do you think he meant?

01:18:48.000 Do you think he meant he was hungry?

01:18:49.000 Or he was thirsty.

01:18:51.000 Kanye just tweeted grapefruit juice.

01:18:53.000 One of the most interesting tweeters out there.

01:18:57.000 You wait for a Kanye West tweet.

01:19:00.000 Well, he's got a free way of expressing himself.

01:19:03.000 He has an unfiltered way of expressing himself.

01:19:06.000 And a lot of people have mixed feelings about it, mixed views.

01:19:10.000 I know the black community is a little stressed out right now.

01:19:13.000 Well, because of his Trump thing, but you know what?

01:19:15.000 I don't know how much of that.

01:19:17.000 There's two things.

01:19:19.000 One, Obama called him a jackass.

01:19:21.000 That could weigh on you.

01:19:22.000 That stung a little bit.

01:19:24.000 And then when Obama's gone, Trump takes office.

01:19:28.000 Trump is willing to let him talk.

01:19:30.000 Trump will charm him.

01:19:32.000 And here's the thing, Joe, with that said, I do white clubs, black clubs, whatever.

01:19:37.000 I do all types of clubs.

01:19:38.000 But the thing is, first off, Kanye West has a voice.

01:19:48.000 Not too many...

01:19:49.000 As much as black people want to throw talent on them, we don't have too many voices that everybody is waiting to hear.

01:19:55.000 Whatever comes out, he has a voice.

01:19:57.000 I believe that Kanye West is trying to say something.

01:20:01.000 I just don't know what the fuck he's trying to say because I'm not fluent in Yeezy.

01:20:07.000 I barely know Swahili.

01:20:09.000 I can't do Swahili and Yeezy.

01:20:11.000 And I think he's trying to say something, but if there was some type of interpreter...

01:20:19.000 You know, and this would be a dope...

01:20:20.000 If Chappelle shows right now, this would be a dope-ass skit.

01:20:24.000 Kanye Way says something, and then Dave Chappelle is his conscious interpreter.

01:20:28.000 That would be hilarious.

01:20:29.000 Kanye says, and then Dave yells out, You know what I think?

01:20:34.000 I only talked to him once on the phone, but what I think from studying him and paying attention, because we're supposed to eventually do a podcast one day...

01:20:41.000 Is that I think he thinks different.

01:20:43.000 He does.

01:20:44.000 He connects dots different.

01:20:45.000 And that's one of the reasons why he's so prolific with music.

01:20:48.000 But that's the point I'm making, Joe.

01:20:50.000 And that's the point I'm saying about not speaking easy.

01:20:53.000 And some people that think like that, they don't know how to get it out.

01:20:57.000 It's like just speaking.

01:21:00.000 But I've been thinking about this a lot.

01:21:01.000 You're Superman.

01:21:01.000 I love you.

01:21:02.000 You're my dad.

01:21:06.000 You're my superhero, you're my dad.

01:21:08.000 You're like my father.

01:21:09.000 You know how hard that was for the black community to hear them say that part?

01:21:13.000 Fuck, you can sell them a plane all you want, but when you say you're like my father, and then black people are sitting back like, could you please explain that?

01:21:22.000 So we think, then this was funny to me, then Kanye said, yeah, you're like a father figure to me.

01:21:29.000 Like, when I was younger, I thought he was going to hit me with the horrific, you know, father was in a shootout, a drive-by.

01:21:38.000 And this would fuck me up, bruh.

01:21:40.000 He said, yeah, when I was younger, my parents separated at a young age.

01:21:47.000 First off, you had parents.

01:21:51.000 You already winning, motherfucker.

01:21:53.000 None of my niggas had parents!

01:21:55.000 Ha!

01:21:56.000 They had my mother and my father, you know what I'm saying?

01:21:59.000 Not only that, okay, okay, come on, friends.

01:22:01.000 I didn't have parents, but he said, my parents separated.

01:22:04.000 I mean, they were married.

01:22:06.000 That's two wins.

01:22:09.000 You up two before you even get to, and they separated, and mom moved down the street.

01:22:15.000 You still got to see your fucking father.

01:22:19.000 So that was a little troubling.

01:22:22.000 But the whole thing is, I'm pretty sure at some point Kanye West will be able to speak a language that everybody can understand.

01:22:30.000 Until then, it's only a handful of people that speak it and understand it and also write it.

01:22:38.000 But here's my problem with all this, and I've been thinking about this a lot.

01:22:42.000 They want to medicate him, right?

01:22:45.000 Yeah.

01:22:45.000 Look how effective he is.

01:22:49.000 Just stop and think about culturally effective in terms of the music that he makes, that people love, his influence.

01:22:55.000 He creates clothes.

01:22:58.000 He's married.

01:22:59.000 He creates conversation and dialogue, too.

01:23:01.000 He does.

01:23:02.000 His wife makes hundreds of millions of dollars.

01:23:04.000 They're insanely wealthy, insanely successful.

01:23:06.000 If you want to talk about overall success, they're together.

01:23:09.000 They have children.

01:23:10.000 They're super wealthy.

01:23:12.000 Of He produces incredible art that's loved worldwide, and they want to medicate him.

01:23:16.000 Just stop and think about how effective...

01:23:18.000 But they want to medicate him to operate at what level, though?

01:23:22.000 Exactly.

01:23:23.000 Think about how effective he is.

01:23:26.000 On medication or off?

01:23:27.000 Off.

01:23:28.000 When he's off medication, he said himself he's his most creative.

01:23:32.000 Stop and think about how creative he's been, how successful he's been, how well-received.

01:23:38.000 Yeah.

01:23:39.000 Happy in all these other elements in his life.

01:23:42.000 But yet they want him to act the way they want him to act.

01:23:46.000 Well, black people just want him to take the hat off.

01:23:48.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:23:50.000 I mean, whatever, bro.

01:23:51.000 You can say whatever the fuck you want.

01:23:53.000 The black people wasn't mad because he wore the hat.

01:23:55.000 They was mad because he wasn't a fitted.

01:23:57.000 They was looking for a new era.

01:23:58.000 If that was a new era, they would have been more accepting of it, man.

01:24:02.000 We just don't want the hat, son.

01:24:03.000 It's red and white now.

01:24:05.000 That's a problem.

01:24:06.000 Anything with red, with white letters, someone will punch you.

01:24:09.000 Yo, I'm telling you, it's like, when I see...

01:24:11.000 It's so funny now.

01:24:13.000 Whenever I see a red hat, I'm like...

01:24:15.000 Like, I'm immediately...

01:24:17.000 But I did a show upstate New York, and it was this white dude came up to me after the show, and he didn't have what looked like a Make America Great Again hat.

01:24:23.000 He had a Make America Great Again hat, and it looked like he had the original one.

01:24:28.000 You know how you got a Boston fan, and you're like, you've only been a fan.

01:24:32.000 He was a fan of America, Make America Great before it.

01:24:36.000 He probably sold the hashtag to him.

01:24:40.000 But here's the thing, yo.

01:24:41.000 This motherfucker had the hat on and shit, and at the end of the show...

01:24:45.000 He was one of the dudes that continued to laugh the most, you know?

01:24:50.000 And I went up to him, and I was like, yo, I gotta get a picture with you.

01:24:54.000 And I took the picture, and it was a video.

01:24:55.000 I was like, yeah, motherfucker.

01:24:56.000 Y'all see his hat?

01:24:57.000 And he started laughing.

01:24:58.000 And we had a good moment.

01:25:02.000 It wasn't no...

01:25:03.000 I wasn't angry at him.

01:25:05.000 I'm not gonna let...

01:25:07.000 I think...

01:25:10.000 It's hard to get away from it, but I think...

01:25:14.000 Kanye with the hat, he likes the idea of how it gets people flustered.

01:25:21.000 He's a contrarian in a lot of ways.

01:25:23.000 Your special was triggered, right?

01:25:24.000 Yeah, one of them was.

01:25:26.000 Excuse me.

01:25:29.000 No, but I'm saying it's like triggered.

01:25:32.000 When a guy had the hat on that I was talking to, I heard on the side it was like this, oh, he's triggered.

01:25:41.000 And I wasn't.

01:25:42.000 I wasn't triggered by that.

01:25:44.000 What I would have been triggered by is how you make me feel.

01:25:48.000 With that hat?

01:25:49.000 No, period.

01:25:50.000 Period.

01:25:51.000 You know, you could come at me like...

01:25:52.000 You could come at me with the hat on with some fucked up energy and I could feel it.

01:25:57.000 But the energy he gave me was like...

01:25:59.000 I know this may sound crazy.

01:26:00.000 He was like, yo, you're a funny motherfucker.

01:26:02.000 With the hat on?

01:26:03.000 You're like, okay.

01:26:04.000 I didn't give a fuck.

01:26:05.000 Right.

01:26:05.000 Because I couldn't let him...

01:26:07.000 I couldn't let him make me feel like if that's what his intent was, he was going to make me feel uncomfortable.

01:26:14.000 I couldn't do it.

01:26:15.000 Do you think he was trying to make you feel uncomfortable?

01:26:18.000 That's who he was.

01:26:19.000 I think that's who he was.

01:26:21.000 But I know that motherfucker would laugh like a motherfucker.

01:26:26.000 At a comedy club, that's all you can ask for.

01:26:29.000 It's all you can want.

01:26:31.000 Yeah, that's all you can want.

01:26:33.000 Yeah.

01:26:34.000 Now, you got the right perspective, man.

01:26:35.000 Looking at it all the right way.

01:26:37.000 I love it.

01:26:37.000 Man, it's like, at the end of the day, you got good people and you got bad people.

01:26:43.000 And it's who do you choose to be?

01:26:47.000 Yeah.

01:26:47.000 You want to be on the good side or the bad side.

01:26:49.000 And it's easy.

01:26:50.000 Man, it's...

01:26:51.000 I know Sam Corny, Rodney King said, can we all just get along?

01:26:57.000 We all could get along.

01:26:59.000 If motherfuckers just remove the hate.

01:27:02.000 Yeah.

01:27:02.000 Well, you know who I always look at?

01:27:03.000 We can get along, the three of us in this room.

01:27:06.000 We have no problems.

01:27:07.000 So when people expand out, what goes wrong?

01:27:10.000 Like, something goes wrong when you get to, like, three million.

01:27:13.000 What is it?

01:27:15.000 Just humans as people expand out.

01:27:18.000 You get a couple of people together and most people could be fine together.

01:27:22.000 Most people.

01:27:23.000 The vast majority.

01:27:24.000 It's when you get to large numbers.

01:27:26.000 It gets fucked up.

01:27:27.000 It gets fucked up.

01:27:28.000 It's almost like people are supposed to live in small towns.

01:27:32.000 You know, with a bunch of cool people.

01:27:33.000 Like, small town with a bunch of assholes would suck.

01:27:36.000 But small towns with all...

01:27:37.000 How about if we lived in a small town with all comedians?

01:27:41.000 If I lived in a small town right now, I would be a...

01:27:44.000 If I lived in a small town right now, I would be a grandfather.

01:27:47.000 You think so?

01:27:49.000 100%.

01:27:50.000 What do you do in small towns?

01:27:52.000 You drink and fuck our babies.

01:27:54.000 Yeah, but I mean, a small town, a community, let me say, filled with comedians.

01:27:59.000 It would be a lot of murders.

01:28:00.000 Yeah.

01:28:01.000 Yo, comedians will actually kill each other, man.

01:28:05.000 I can't even, like, I can't, it's just only a certain amount of comedians I can be around at one time.

01:28:09.000 Because then it started getting, you know, there's motherfuckers jockeying for the best joke.

01:28:14.000 There's some that are like that, but there's some that lay back and they're laughers.

01:28:18.000 Those are snipers.

01:28:20.000 Those are snipers.

01:28:22.000 Yeah, they're snipers.

01:28:23.000 They got their breathing pattern right.

01:28:26.000 They know when you pull that trigger, it's supposed to shock you.

01:28:28.000 It's supposed to sight you every time.

01:28:30.000 Yeah, they don't throw any loose bombs.

01:28:32.000 None of that shit.

01:28:33.000 They got that sniper finger.

01:28:34.000 Yeah, that's a good way of putting it.

01:28:36.000 That's a very good way of putting it.

01:28:37.000 So snipers and the motherfucking grunts, they go out there.

01:28:39.000 Yeah.

01:28:40.000 I was in the military for four years.

01:28:43.000 Were you really?

01:28:44.000 Yeah, Air Force.

01:28:44.000 Air Force?

01:28:46.000 I was a cop in the military.

01:28:49.000 Really?

01:28:50.000 Nobody believes I was the worst cop ever.

01:28:52.000 I've made one arrest in four years.

01:28:53.000 And that was because a girl came through the gate.

01:28:55.000 She had some big titties.

01:28:57.000 I think?

01:29:14.000 I used to hear that.

01:29:15.000 I was like, these motherfuckers are going to gun and kick me out.

01:29:17.000 Air Force four years.

01:29:18.000 I was a cop.

01:29:20.000 Stationed in Kunsan, Korea.

01:29:22.000 Stationed in Boland.

01:29:24.000 NUICO. Tongsan NCO. NUNA. Wow.

01:29:30.000 Four years military.

01:29:32.000 Three years.

01:29:34.000 Two years in Korea.

01:29:36.000 Two years at Boland Air Force Base.

01:29:37.000 And I got out and just randomly went to a comedy club.

01:29:41.000 Became a heckler.

01:29:43.000 I was an asshole.

01:29:45.000 I used to go to this comedy club every Wednesday to fuck with the comedians.

01:29:48.000 Where was it?

01:29:49.000 Comedy Connection to Greenbelt.

01:29:51.000 It was like the black comedy club in D.C. This was a time when Martin Lawrence was on fire, the Def Jam thing was popping, and they had on black comedy clubs.

01:29:59.000 It would be a pizza shop.

01:30:01.000 They'll just turn, okay, now it's a comedy club.

01:30:03.000 Monique had a club that she made turn from a restaurant to a comedy club just because she got more business on the weekend as a comedy club than a restaurant and just took it over.

01:30:12.000 And I used to go heckle the comedians.

01:30:13.000 And I was such a good heckler that people used to come to the show to hear me heckle.

01:30:21.000 They would be at the door like, yo, is that asshole dude going to be here tonight?

01:30:25.000 And that was me.

01:30:26.000 The club owner dared me to go on stage because he wanted to shut me up.

01:30:30.000 Joe, I was so cocky.

01:30:31.000 After four weeks of heckling, I tried to make a deal with the club owner.

01:30:36.000 Come on.

01:30:37.000 I swear.

01:30:37.000 I was like, look.

01:30:38.000 I'm telling you.

01:30:39.000 I said, I know I've increased business by 30%.

01:30:41.000 No.

01:30:43.000 We need to start working on the door there.

01:30:44.000 He looked at me like, what the fuck are you talking about?

01:30:46.000 Anybody in D.C. tell you this story?

01:30:48.000 And they wanted me to shut up.

01:30:49.000 They asked me to go on stage.

01:30:51.000 And I went on stage.

01:30:52.000 And the first time I went on, I murdered the shit.

01:30:55.000 And I knew that I wasn't going to be doing anything else with my life but doing it.

01:30:59.000 I just knew it.

01:31:00.000 It was just like...

01:31:01.000 How did it feel?

01:31:05.000 It felt great.

01:31:06.000 Do you remember it?

01:31:07.000 I remember it because...

01:31:08.000 It flashes in your mind?

01:31:09.000 I remember it because I had talked so much shit to this point...

01:31:13.000 And the thing about it was, but the energy of the room was there because there was a lot of people that came, they saw me.

01:31:22.000 When are you going to go?

01:31:24.000 They were like, you should try it.

01:31:26.000 The first time I went on, people were excited about it.

01:31:29.000 They didn't know what to expect.

01:31:30.000 I wrote all these jokes.

01:31:31.000 I'm like, I got 30 minutes.

01:31:33.000 I was so cocky.

01:31:35.000 We used to have an open mic.

01:31:36.000 Open mic list is like 30 people.

01:31:39.000 I would be like 10 on the list.

01:31:41.000 They would keep bumping me.

01:31:42.000 I thought they were just trying to save me the headline.

01:31:44.000 I didn't think they were just trying to give me the shittiest spot.

01:31:47.000 But half the club came to see me, so they would stay there.

01:31:50.000 And that first time I went on, I had all these jokes I planned I was going to do.

01:31:54.000 And when I went on stage, I drew a complete blank.

01:31:57.000 I don't remember shit.

01:31:58.000 And then I went what I knew best.

01:32:00.000 I started fucking with somebody in the audience.

01:32:02.000 I got a laugh.

01:32:03.000 And then I did my material.

01:32:05.000 And I didn't know what the light was.

01:32:07.000 They gave me the light.

01:32:08.000 And I was like, oh, I gotta go!

01:32:10.000 Like, you know what the light means?

01:32:12.000 Just make that your last joke.

01:32:13.000 And I got off abruptly.

01:32:15.000 I said, I gotta go.

01:32:17.000 And people started booing.

01:32:19.000 The host went up.

01:32:20.000 And they was like, no, Daniel, he doesn't know.

01:32:22.000 He's new.

01:32:22.000 It was his first time.

01:32:23.000 He don't know what the light means.

01:32:24.000 He was like, he'll be back.

01:32:26.000 And I was there almost every Wednesday for eight months.

01:32:31.000 And then I moved to New York for six months.

01:32:34.000 Wow.

01:32:35.000 I said, I'm out of here.

01:32:36.000 Where'd you go first?

01:32:38.000 Club-wise?

01:32:39.000 Yeah.

01:32:39.000 Or live?

01:32:40.000 Either one.

01:32:41.000 Brooklyn.

01:32:41.000 Brooklyn, you live?

01:32:42.000 Brooklyn was a bar out.

01:32:43.000 That's why to this day.

01:32:45.000 But it was interesting to me because I didn't go from D.C. to mainstream white clubs.

01:32:50.000 I was doing still the ghetto rooms and shit.

01:32:52.000 And a lot of times I couldn't get spots.

01:32:55.000 So I would go to the poetry open mics.

01:32:59.000 Because that shit used to be so dull.

01:33:03.000 The water was shifting, the wave, wave.

01:33:06.000 And I'd be like, does anybody want a break for this shit?

01:33:08.000 Right?

01:33:09.000 And then I would go do jokes when I couldn't do comedy because I would do that until I started making a name for myself and never looked back.

01:33:16.000 It was dope.

01:33:16.000 New York is a great place to get your chops up.

01:33:20.000 What year did you enter New York?

01:33:22.000 It had to be probably like...

01:33:26.000 95?

01:33:27.000 Probably like 95. Yeah, I'd already moved.

01:33:30.000 I'd left in 94 to come to LA. Oh yeah?

01:33:33.000 When did you get out here?

01:33:34.000 I got out here like 7 years ago.

01:33:36.000 Maybe 8 years ago.

01:33:38.000 And it was because my situation was different because I wasn't getting a lot of road work.

01:33:44.000 And I was like, well, fuck it.

01:33:45.000 If I'm not getting a lot of road work, I might as well try to get more film and television stuff to move out to L.A. And then when I moved out here, I started getting more personal appearances.

01:33:55.000 So basically, I moved to L.A. and became a road comic.

01:33:59.000 And I wasn't mad at it because after you doing it for a while, you just want to, where the fuck can I make money doing this shit?

01:34:07.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:34:07.000 If it's the road, it's the road.

01:34:09.000 You know what I mean?

01:34:10.000 If it's Hollywood, it's Hollywood.

01:34:11.000 But who was going to pay me some money?

01:34:13.000 And it was the road.

01:34:14.000 And until now, like I do 40 weekends a year, but with me having a young kid now, I'm trying to focus more on film and television and get some more stable shit because I'm getting a little, you know, it's getting burnt.

01:34:27.000 I hate to say this because I've said it too many times, but you should have a podcast.

01:34:34.000 I've heard that.

01:34:36.000 Shout out to beauty and humor, man!

01:34:38.000 Dude, I've started a thousand podcasts.

01:34:39.000 I need to start yours.

01:34:41.000 I'm with it.

01:34:41.000 Yo, I'm telling you.

01:34:43.000 You should do it, 100%.

01:34:44.000 I used to do, and I miss, I used to do radio.

01:34:47.000 I did radio, I did Hot 97, but I would love to do a podcast.

01:34:51.000 You're a natural.

01:34:51.000 You could have the number one podcast in the country.

01:34:53.000 No bullshit, 100%.

01:34:55.000 Let's do it.

01:34:56.000 Don't you think, Jamie?

01:34:57.000 Yeah.

01:34:58.000 It'd be easy.

01:34:59.000 You just need someone to make you an account.

01:35:02.000 Shit, you could upload it literally from your iPhone or whatever phone you use.

01:35:06.000 You put a little microphone in the bottom of it.

01:35:08.000 I do.

01:35:09.000 And another reason why, because I always want to talk.

01:35:12.000 Yeah, I'm sure.

01:35:13.000 It's fun.

01:35:14.000 I get it.

01:35:15.000 But you've been in the game for a while.

01:35:17.000 Nine years.

01:35:17.000 Damn!

01:35:18.000 Almost ten.

01:35:19.000 But you were...

01:35:20.000 You consider yourself a pioneer?

01:35:21.000 No.

01:35:22.000 There's people before me, for sure.

01:35:24.000 I was just one of the early adopters.

01:35:25.000 I'd say an early adopter, but it was already established.

01:35:28.000 Adam Curry had one.

01:35:29.000 I think he invented the name podcast.

01:35:32.000 And then Adam Carolla went from radio to podcast.

01:35:35.000 And that's when I was like, oh.

01:35:37.000 Oh, wait a minute.

01:35:39.000 Was he a radio personality before he was doing the man show?

01:35:41.000 Yeah.

01:35:42.000 No, no.

01:35:42.000 He did the man show.

01:35:43.000 Well, he was a radio personality first.

01:35:46.000 Then he did the man show.

01:35:47.000 And I think he did radio during the same time.

01:35:49.000 He did Love Line.

01:35:49.000 Yeah, during the same time.

01:35:51.000 And then after that, he had a big-time syndicated morning radio show.

01:35:55.000 And I did his radio show a couple times.

01:35:57.000 And then when he left his radio show and went to podcasts, he got this professional studio built and everything.

01:36:03.000 And I went to visit him.

01:36:04.000 And I was like, whoa.

01:36:05.000 And I remember walking around the place going, look at this shit.

01:36:08.000 Like, look at this shit.

01:36:08.000 Like I was when I came here, right?

01:36:09.000 Same thing, man.

01:36:10.000 I'm like, who the fuck got a wolf?

01:36:12.000 And not a wolf from here, from London, yo!

01:36:15.000 I saw shit that I've never seen motherfuckers.

01:36:17.000 I'm like, what is that?

01:36:18.000 A point?

01:36:19.000 What is that?

01:36:19.000 What is that called right there?

01:36:20.000 That's an elk.

01:36:21.000 Elk.

01:36:22.000 Yeah.

01:36:22.000 What are the people that, um, that, uh, that make that?

01:36:28.000 What are they called?

01:36:28.000 That's a profession.

01:36:29.000 Taxidermy, but that's only when they put, like, the fake, when they put the fur over it and the fake eyeballs and shit.

01:36:35.000 Is that yours?

01:36:35.000 That's mine.

01:36:36.000 Yeah, that's an actual real skull.

01:36:39.000 That's what they call a European mount when they just have the skull and the antlers.

01:36:44.000 That's where I get my food from.

01:36:46.000 I'm cooking an elk roast tonight when I get out of here.

01:36:49.000 And it's from him?

01:36:50.000 Not that one.

01:36:51.000 Not that one.

01:36:52.000 I ate that one already.

01:36:53.000 I ate that one down the bone.

01:36:54.000 See, that's some man shit, man.

01:36:57.000 Yo, if I go tell my boys I'm eating elk, they be like, you change, son.

01:37:00.000 I think you gay, son.

01:37:02.000 Yo, he gay, son.

01:37:04.000 He had cottage cheese the other day.

01:37:06.000 That motherfucker say he a vegan and he eating elk.

01:37:09.000 Oh, no, son.

01:37:11.000 He trying to do them fucking $5 footlongs with Smollett.

01:37:15.000 Smolletta.

01:37:16.000 How do you say his name?

01:37:17.000 Smollett.

01:37:18.000 That poor guy.

01:37:19.000 Let me ask you this.

01:37:20.000 How does that guy come back from that?

01:37:22.000 He doesn't.

01:37:23.000 Ever?

01:37:24.000 No, because he's going to How does he feed himself?

01:37:29.000 The way he feeds himself, because he's still gonna have a base.

01:37:35.000 The base he's gonna have is like...

01:37:37.000 The motherfuckers would be like, fuck it, I would have did the same thing.

01:37:41.000 Ooh, that's not a good group of people.

01:37:43.000 You said it might not be a good group of people the way you think it, but for him, it's a group of people.

01:37:49.000 Right.

01:37:50.000 There's going to be still some people that want to hear his side of the story.

01:37:55.000 Everybody's not dismissive of him.

01:37:59.000 Right.

01:37:59.000 And some people still hold on to like, well, maybe some people are just going to, you know, like, I refuse to believe it.

01:38:06.000 Right.

01:38:07.000 Point blank.

01:38:08.000 Well, he's still denying it.

01:38:09.000 He's saying that they're lying.

01:38:11.000 Yeah, man.

01:38:11.000 That's the latest thing.

01:38:12.000 But, you know, I don't know.

01:38:14.000 Maybe I don't know.

01:38:14.000 It doesn't look good.

01:38:15.000 I don't know.

01:38:16.000 Them dudes was in it.

01:38:17.000 I don't know.

01:38:17.000 I think something else was going on, bro.

01:38:20.000 I think something did.

01:38:22.000 I think he was possibly paying them for something else.

01:38:25.000 Could be.

01:38:26.000 Not just to beat my ass.

01:38:30.000 Thank you, guys.

01:38:33.000 Alright, I got some other ways we can make money.

01:38:35.000 I don't know.

01:38:36.000 Again, it's just...

01:38:37.000 It's so fucked up, bro, because you have...

01:38:42.000 Like, it's so fucked up.

01:38:46.000 My older brother is gay.

01:38:48.000 And with that situation, it kind of rung...

01:38:53.000 Home to me, because when it first was put out like this, I wish the fuck somebody would try to violate my brother or disrespect my brother.

01:38:59.000 I know how at arms I'd be ready to go.

01:39:01.000 So I had that, and that's what's so fucked about the whole shit.

01:39:03.000 He had so many people that was riding for him for different reasons, man.

01:39:07.000 And it's like really selfish for you to not give a fuck about how you're going to hurt people.

01:39:13.000 You know what I mean?

01:39:14.000 Maybe he didn't realize how bad it would go wrong.

01:39:16.000 Man, bro.

01:39:17.000 Come on.

01:39:18.000 You going for the gates.

01:39:20.000 When you're saying throwing fucking bleach on me, you trying to trigger motherfuckers.

01:39:28.000 Yeah.

01:39:29.000 You trying to trigger for Alvin Sale.

01:39:30.000 Didn't he say he was a gay Tupac?

01:39:33.000 He said that.

01:39:35.000 I ain't no killer, but don't push me.

01:39:37.000 Revenge is like the sweetest joy next to getting...

01:39:39.000 Well, he didn't say the pussy part.

01:39:41.000 Oh, that's hilarious.

01:39:42.000 He said that he was a gay...

01:39:44.000 He already had his movie in his head!

01:39:46.000 That's so ridiculous.

01:39:47.000 I fought back!

01:39:49.000 I'm the gay two part.

01:39:50.000 He already had his hashtag.

01:39:51.000 He probably bought the white website.

01:39:54.000 I don't want to stop this podcast, but I gotta pee so bad.

01:39:57.000 I did two podcasts in a row.

01:39:59.000 So talk to Jamie for just two minutes.

01:40:01.000 I gotta take a leak.

01:40:03.000 What is that right here?

01:40:03.000 I'll take one of those.

01:40:04.000 Is that a pre-roll?

01:40:05.000 Yeah.

01:40:07.000 Word.

01:40:07.000 I'll be right back.

01:40:08.000 I just have to pee so bad.

01:40:10.000 I ain't mad at you, son.

01:40:14.000 You got a lighter right there?

01:40:15.000 Yes.

01:40:18.000 Look, just know you're in LA. It's like this.

01:40:20.000 Is this an indica or a sativa?

01:40:22.000 There is some extra spice in there, too.

01:40:24.000 There's a little extra, like, I think it's called butter.

01:40:28.000 Butter?

01:40:28.000 That's like wax.

01:40:29.000 What?

01:40:30.000 Yeah.

01:40:31.000 It's a little bit.

01:40:32.000 You can't really tell, to be honest with you.

01:40:35.000 That's how white boys set you up.

01:40:37.000 Ah, yeah.

01:40:38.000 Yeah, like, no, just eat half the ear.

01:40:40.000 You'll be okay.

01:40:43.000 How many people still come up to you about The Wire?

01:40:44.000 I know, obviously, Chappelle's show, but...

01:40:46.000 You know, the funny thing about the people that come up to me, The Wire, they identify by themselves as instant intellects.

01:40:52.000 Yeah.

01:40:52.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:40:53.000 Like, people, it's almost like they're cocky, like, I know you're on Chappelle and a couple other things, but you know where I really love you from?

01:41:00.000 The Wire.

01:41:01.000 That was a dope experience.

01:41:03.000 Did you ever watch HBO's The Corner?

01:41:05.000 Yeah.

01:41:05.000 I started, I think I got, I feel like it was six episodes and I watched three of them.

01:41:11.000 I didn't watch all of it.

01:41:12.000 I was in that.

01:41:13.000 I played a heroin addict.

01:41:16.000 A lot of people don't know.

01:41:17.000 If you were a fan of The Wire, you've definitely been a fan of The Corner because so many of the actors came back to do The Wire.

01:41:23.000 After I watched The Wire, I wanted more and more content like that, so I went back and tried to watch it, but I actually enjoyed re-watching The Wire more.

01:41:31.000 I liked the show, and my character was supposed to build out more, but the Baltimore Tourism Board was upset that every time someone goes shooting Baltimore, they depict it as a It's a drug infested,

01:41:46.000 pretty much what it is.

01:41:48.000 So that's why they went from, if you notice the shift in the writing, they went from the towers to the docks.

01:41:54.000 Like, how the fuck do we get to the docks?

01:41:56.000 That's because they didn't just want to be in the hood like that.

01:41:58.000 But David Simon, he was...

01:42:03.000 He was like, yo, I liked what you did.

01:42:05.000 So they brought me back for the last season.

01:42:09.000 I've tried to get Joe to watch it, but it's 10 years old now, so it's hard to get back into an old show.

01:42:14.000 But it's so good, so many people love it that way.

01:42:16.000 People are like, they were definitely...

01:42:20.000 Why are fanatics?

01:42:21.000 And when they brought me back to last season, I was nervous because HBO, the last season of any show on HBO, the writers get vindictive and they do nasty shit to the characters.

01:42:29.000 Like, to the last season of Oz, it was dudes getting raped on Oz that weren't even on Oz.

01:42:34.000 They was like, dude, I'm on Nickelodeon.

01:42:36.000 I'm just trying to get to the bathroom, man.

01:42:38.000 But they was right to me.

01:42:39.000 I didn't get raped the last season and it was fun.

01:42:42.000 I know.

01:42:43.000 I've got to settle down and choose it for a run.

01:42:47.000 Just get in.

01:42:49.000 You've just got to watch it because it's so good.

01:42:51.000 His character comes up at the best time.

01:42:55.000 Not to spoiler alert it, but to follow the money starts with him.

01:42:59.000 That's why if you're a fan, you know that...

01:43:02.000 My role would have been, like, if they didn't switch the tone, if they would have kept it in the towers, my shit was...

01:43:07.000 Because I was the connection between the streets and the politics.

01:43:12.000 I know I could have blown that character out.

01:43:14.000 And when I first got busted, when I was in the room, I was trying to...

01:43:17.000 I was going to rob the mansion.

01:43:19.000 And when I tell you, Daniel, he said, what's your name?

01:43:21.000 I said, my name is Day-Day.

01:43:24.000 My name is Day-Day, but they mostly call me Damien, right?

01:43:29.000 And then he said, my name is Daniel.

01:43:32.000 And they mostly called me Lieutenant.

01:43:34.000 And this is after I had already said how I would rob the whole crib because I thought he was a driver with me.

01:43:39.000 And that character should have been off by then.

01:43:41.000 But it was a good opportunity.

01:43:43.000 It was another cool platform.

01:43:45.000 It was dope.

01:43:45.000 I can honestly say whatever happens in my career, I was on two shows that go down in television history.

01:43:54.000 Yeah, I believe you about The Wire.

01:43:56.000 I mean, everybody says it.

01:43:58.000 I never settled down and watched it.

01:44:00.000 But for sure, Chappelle's Show is the greatest sketch comedy.

01:44:04.000 It's number one and number two is like that and in living color.

01:44:07.000 And you can pick your spot depending upon when you grew up and what it meant to you.

01:44:11.000 Because for a lot of people, in living color too, because it was on Fox, you didn't have to have cable to get it.

01:44:17.000 It was on Fox when they had to have cable.

01:44:19.000 Did you have to have cable via Fox?

01:44:20.000 No.

01:44:21.000 It was regular TV. But then it was new, too, because it was, for the most part, an all-black cast.

01:44:27.000 All-black cast with dancers.

01:44:28.000 And you didn't see that.

01:44:29.000 Dancers.

01:44:29.000 It was like they took everything.

01:44:31.000 Fly girls.

01:44:31.000 Jennifer Lopez.

01:44:32.000 Everybody was making money and getting ass when that was out.

01:44:34.000 I don't even think they...

01:44:35.000 The Wayans...

01:44:36.000 I think, who was it?

01:44:37.000 Sean was a DJ. I don't even think he knew how to DJ, but Kenan had that fucking vision, man.

01:44:43.000 Yeah.

01:44:43.000 He had that vision.

01:44:44.000 Who's like...

01:44:45.000 How many seasons did that go?

01:44:47.000 I don't know, probably six.

01:44:49.000 But did it really go that many?

01:44:50.000 Yeah, that was the show.

01:44:52.000 Every comedian hoped that every year they would come around and say, they're looking for new people who live in color.

01:44:58.000 And every city was just busting doors down and trying to get an audition.

01:45:02.000 Wow.

01:45:03.000 I remember watching it for the first time.

01:45:04.000 I was at a pool hall.

01:45:05.000 In, like, Yonkers, New York.

01:45:07.000 And I looked up at the screen.

01:45:09.000 Me and a buddy of mine, my friend John Tobin, we were playing pool and we were watching the show.

01:45:12.000 I was like, what in the fuck are they doing?

01:45:15.000 Like, there's a dude with no lips.

01:45:17.000 When Fire Marshal Bill came out, I was like, what the fuck am I seeing?

01:45:19.000 Yo, Jim Carrey was an animal, man.

01:45:23.000 He was, again, like, once you saw him, you just started laughing.

01:45:27.000 Yeah, he was an animal.

01:45:29.000 I mean, how many times?

01:45:30.000 What do we have now?

01:45:32.000 Homie the Clown.

01:45:33.000 Homie the Clown.

01:45:34.000 Homie don't play that.

01:45:35.000 Girls would always say that.

01:45:36.000 Paul Mooney wrote the Homie the Clown character.

01:45:38.000 Really?

01:45:38.000 Yeah.

01:45:39.000 Did he?

01:45:39.000 Yep.

01:45:40.000 That's hilarious.

01:45:42.000 It was groundbreaking.

01:45:43.000 It was Wanda.

01:45:45.000 Wow.

01:45:45.000 That's right.

01:45:46.000 Jamie Foxx played one.

01:45:48.000 But just look at that.

01:45:49.000 That's funny, right?

01:45:51.000 Talk about how dope of a career that motherfucker had.

01:45:53.000 Jamie Foxx go from that to Oscar.

01:45:55.000 That motherfucker can do anything.

01:45:57.000 He can do anything.

01:45:58.000 And sing.

01:45:59.000 Yeah, we've talked about it before.

01:46:00.000 He's got that weird ability to do anything.

01:46:03.000 Like when Mike Tyson was talking about Jamie playing him.

01:46:07.000 You know, he was...

01:46:09.000 Oh, Jamie was going to play him?

01:46:10.000 Apparently he is.

01:46:11.000 Oh, I know he's going to kill him.

01:46:13.000 He's going to kill it.

01:46:14.000 He can do anything.

01:46:15.000 He can sing.

01:46:16.000 He's got great stories, man.

01:46:18.000 Had him on the podcast.

01:46:19.000 He's got great, great stories.

01:46:20.000 And he's just a good guy.

01:46:22.000 Anytime...

01:46:23.000 I've ran into any time I've talked to him.

01:46:25.000 He's always been a really cool dude.

01:46:27.000 Good dude, man.

01:46:28.000 Yeah, he's very friendly.

01:46:29.000 Last time I saw him was at a gas station.

01:46:31.000 He's got some crazy fucking truck.

01:46:33.000 Some weird thing.

01:46:34.000 I was like, what is that?

01:46:35.000 I never even saw one of those things before.

01:46:37.000 I don't know what it is.

01:46:37.000 I think he's got a whole bunch of what you've never seen before.

01:46:39.000 You know, like, what is that?

01:46:40.000 Oh, that was from...

01:46:42.000 It's some new custom-made weird fucking truck.

01:46:47.000 Right.

01:46:48.000 It looks like something from the future.

01:46:49.000 Does he drive it or just...

01:46:50.000 He was driving it.

01:46:51.000 Yeah?

01:46:51.000 Yeah.

01:46:53.000 He was, uh...

01:46:54.000 Yeah.

01:46:55.000 Good dude.

01:46:57.000 He never...

01:46:58.000 Did he do it?

01:46:59.000 No.

01:47:00.000 I think he's doing more stand-up again.

01:47:02.000 I think he's doing more stand-up.

01:47:05.000 That's a tough thing to do, too, probably, to get that level as an international A-list superstar to still have the passion to do stand-up.

01:47:15.000 Right.

01:47:16.000 You've got to want it.

01:47:17.000 You've got to want to do it for some strange reason.

01:47:20.000 You let the motherfuckers peers in your group know I still got it, motherfucker.

01:47:23.000 You know who did?

01:47:25.000 Did you ever see that thing, it was about maybe a year or so ago, right when Bill Cosby was in the heat of all his trouble, where Eddie Murphy did some stand-up on a dais, like in front of a platform?

01:47:37.000 Yeah, that was for, it was an award he got at the Kennedy Center.

01:47:40.000 It was some type of cultural show.

01:47:42.000 I can't remember exactly the name of it, but I remember, I think Dave was a part of that too.

01:47:46.000 That was a big deal.

01:47:47.000 But what got me was how good he was.

01:47:50.000 I was like, God damn, he's good.

01:47:52.000 He's a comedian.

01:47:54.000 You know, even though he's not using the stage platform, you know he sits around Or it's like, oh shit, that would be funny.

01:48:04.000 Of course.

01:48:05.000 I mean, he had this whole routine about them taking Bill Cosby's doctorate degree away from him.

01:48:11.000 He had this whole bit about it when he was doing a Bill Cosby impression.

01:48:15.000 I'm telling you, man, his timing was...

01:48:17.000 That would be so good to see him do it again.

01:48:19.000 That's what I'm thinking.

01:48:21.000 It was so powerful, I was like, god damn, we missed out on years of this.

01:48:26.000 Years.

01:48:27.000 Yeah, you're like, what would he talk about?

01:48:28.000 He's like probably close to being a grand man.

01:48:30.000 Can you play a little bit of this?

01:48:31.000 I don't know.

01:48:33.000 Maybe.

01:48:33.000 It's only a minute long.

01:48:34.000 Just give me a little bit.

01:48:35.000 Just give me a little bit.

01:48:38.000 Okay, it's got a bunch of music in it.

01:48:40.000 Here it goes.

01:48:41.000 Bill has one of these.

01:48:43.000 He says...

01:48:44.000 Did y'all make Bill give his back?

01:48:48.000 You know you f***ed up when they want you to give your trophies back.

01:48:52.000 Man, we missed out on him hosting the Oscars, man.

01:48:55.000 Dude, I'm telling you, when you watch him do this routine, you go, oh my god, he's still got it.

01:49:01.000 It's Eddie motherfucking Murphy.

01:49:02.000 I know, but he hasn't done any stand-up in forever, and it was like he's been doing it every day.

01:49:07.000 Yeah, but you gotta look at it when he came on like certain people are just naturals, bro.

01:49:11.000 But it's so sad that he hasn't been doing it, man.

01:49:14.000 When you stop and think, go from raw...

01:49:17.000 You know, delirious to raw to nothing for all these years.

01:49:21.000 And he might be, if he's not...

01:49:23.000 Not nothing.

01:49:23.000 I wouldn't say nothing.

01:49:24.000 International movie star.

01:49:25.000 You know, but not...

01:49:26.000 Oh, for sure.

01:49:27.000 I mean, nothing in terms of his do-it-stand-up.

01:49:30.000 Gotcha.

01:49:30.000 That's all I mean.

01:49:31.000 Yeah, of course.

01:49:32.000 He's an international movie star.

01:49:33.000 But he could have been one of the greatest of all time if he isn't already.

01:49:39.000 I mean, he is already.

01:49:40.000 If you have a top 10, you got to kind of put Eddie Murphy in there.

01:49:43.000 Of course.

01:49:43.000 But he could be number one ever.

01:49:45.000 Yeah.

01:49:45.000 If he just kept doing it.

01:49:47.000 But he made his mark.

01:49:48.000 It would just be interesting.

01:49:49.000 But he made his mark.

01:49:51.000 Nobody was fucking doing it.

01:49:52.000 Like, we got big names and stuff now, but Eddie Murphy was just like...

01:49:57.000 Everybody was talking about him.

01:49:59.000 Like his special job, the next day everybody was quoting lines from it.

01:50:03.000 I watched it with my friend Jimmy and with a bunch of his friends.

01:50:09.000 And we were probably like 18 or something like that.

01:50:13.000 Like maybe.

01:50:14.000 17, 18. Delirious.

01:50:17.000 And I remember we were just like, everyone was stunned.

01:50:20.000 Everyone was sitting back on the couch going...

01:50:23.000 God, that was incredible.

01:50:25.000 Dice Clay had that energy.

01:50:26.000 Yeah.

01:50:27.000 Dice Clay had everybody.

01:50:28.000 That was like what you said, when specials were really special.

01:50:31.000 It wasn't very many of them.

01:50:32.000 It was a couple of them, and then whoever that person was, you knew you were going to see them on TV or somewhere for like the next two years.

01:50:39.000 Easy.

01:50:39.000 Dude, I found out about Kinison from a girl that worked the front desk at a health club that it worked at.

01:50:44.000 I used to work at this Nautilus Plus.

01:50:46.000 I was going to say, what the fuck was he doing in there?

01:50:48.000 I worked at this Nautilus Plus in Revere.

01:50:51.000 It was Revere, Massachusetts.

01:50:53.000 It's like this fitness place.

01:50:54.000 No, that wasn't Nautilus Plus.

01:50:56.000 That was the Boston Athletic Club in South Boston.

01:51:02.000 That's where it was.

01:51:03.000 Anyway, there's a girl who worked the front desk.

01:51:04.000 She goes, I saw this comedian last night.

01:51:06.000 You gotta fucking see him.

01:51:08.000 He's the most amazing comedian.

01:51:09.000 He did this joke about gay people, fucking dead people.

01:51:14.000 Yo, do you know that bit?

01:51:15.000 No, I don't know that, but Jess Sentence is 20 years old.

01:51:19.000 What's that?

01:51:19.000 That sentence is 20 years old.

01:51:21.000 The thing you just said.

01:51:22.000 He did this bit about gay people fucking so and so.

01:51:25.000 Yeah.

01:51:26.000 Motherfucker couldn't even probably try to think about saying that on stage now.

01:51:30.000 Right, it would be rough.

01:51:31.000 It would be rough.

01:51:32.000 But the way he said it, the way Kinnison said it, you know, she was saying it to me one way.

01:51:35.000 So you saw him after that?

01:51:35.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:51:36.000 I went and got it on VHS after that to watch it.

01:51:39.000 It was dope.

01:51:40.000 But she was lying on her stomach in the parking lot to pretend to be a dead body because what had happened was these homosexual, in the Kinnison bit, these homosexual necrophiliacs were paying money to have a little bit of time undisturbed with the freshest male corpse.

01:51:55.000 So Kinnison lies down on stage and he's going, you imagine that?

01:51:58.000 The fact he said undisturbed, like, Can you imagine?

01:52:00.000 He's lying down on stage and he's like, wow, I can't believe this.

01:52:03.000 I guess I'm going to go to heaven now and be with Jesus.

01:52:07.000 And oh, hey, what is this?

01:52:11.000 It feels like someone's fucking me in my ass.

01:52:14.000 Oh, I mean, life keeps fucking this even after you're dead.

01:52:17.000 It never ends.

01:52:18.000 It never ends.

01:52:19.000 So I'm watching this girl who's like this volleyball player, this big athletic girl.

01:52:23.000 And she's got her body down on the ground.

01:52:27.000 And she's yelling out, oh!

01:52:29.000 She's like, life keeps fucking you in the ass even after you're dead!

01:52:32.000 It never ends!

01:52:33.000 And I was laughing so hard at what she was saying.

01:52:37.000 I went out and got the VHS tape.

01:52:39.000 Did you like it?

01:52:42.000 I was blown away.

01:52:43.000 I couldn't believe it was coming.

01:52:46.000 It's a different kind of comedy.

01:52:47.000 Yeah, and then like, you think he was really loud, but then he was loud, but he was saying shit, just like that bit.

01:52:53.000 You know how your brain has to be to even think of that shit?

01:52:56.000 Do you know he shared something with Roseanne Barr?

01:52:58.000 Brain injury.

01:53:00.000 Really?

01:53:00.000 Brain injury, personality changing brain injury.

01:53:03.000 But how did they get it?

01:53:05.000 Both of them were hit by cars.

01:53:06.000 And that's how it happened?

01:53:06.000 Both of them, yeah.

01:53:08.000 Same thing.

01:53:09.000 I mean, don't hit your kid with a car and hope they turn out to be a comedian.

01:53:13.000 You don't think you're funny?

01:53:15.000 You're funny now, motherfucker.

01:53:17.000 With Roseanne, she was in a mental institute for nine months.

01:53:20.000 And with Kinison, they said there was an abrupt change between who he was and who he became.

01:53:25.000 He got hit by that car, and then from then on, he was this wild, reckless, don't-give-a-fuck guy, and this ranting, raging preacher.

01:53:34.000 But it turned out to be good for him.

01:53:36.000 The dark side.

01:53:37.000 The dark side is very interesting.

01:53:38.000 And for Roseanne.

01:53:39.000 It's good for her, too.

01:53:40.000 She might be done now.

01:53:42.000 We haven't heard...

01:53:42.000 How is that show doing, her spinoff?

01:53:44.000 Is it doing good?

01:53:45.000 I don't think it's doing that good.

01:53:47.000 I think it's dropping off.

01:53:49.000 Roseanne is, in my opinion, like having a person with a broken leg and expecting them to keep up on a hike.

01:53:56.000 She's got brain issues.

01:53:58.000 She's heavily medicated.

01:54:00.000 And, you know, Adderall and marijuana and all these different things.

01:54:03.000 There's a lot of shit that's fucking with her head.

01:54:07.000 And they kind of knew that when they were making that show.

01:54:10.000 I really think they did.

01:54:11.000 I really think they knew that.

01:54:13.000 But they're rolling dice.

01:54:15.000 Yeah.

01:54:15.000 But it's also one of those things where, like, there's lovable parts about that show because of the fact that she's kind of loony, you know, and she's self-admittedly loony and self-admittedly medicated.

01:54:29.000 We get connected to the train, man.

01:54:30.000 The most interesting person is a train wreck.

01:54:33.000 It's true.

01:54:34.000 The most interesting person to watch is somebody you think you could probably do better or smarter than or any of that.

01:54:39.000 We'd like when successful people have a giant major flaw like a brain injury that makes them ramble about shit.

01:54:46.000 You know what I mean?

01:54:46.000 I don't know how to push for that one.

01:54:48.000 But you know what I'm saying?

01:54:49.000 I like my celebrities with no brain injuries.

01:54:52.000 Now here comes the needle, the needle comes out and shit like injector.

01:54:56.000 Well, for Kinison, like Kinison was a, he was a groundbreaking comedian.

01:55:00.000 Like when I remember seeing him, and obviously I was only like 18 or 19 at the time, but I remember seeing him being like, oh, I didn't even know that this was comedy.

01:55:08.000 I didn't know you could do that.

01:55:09.000 It was a totally different.

01:55:10.000 Yeah.

01:55:11.000 He didn't give a shit.

01:55:12.000 He did a show where he would call up, he would have a phone, and he would ask some guy in the audience if your heart was ever broken by a girl.

01:55:19.000 And the guy would say, me, what happened?

01:55:21.000 Tell me what happened!

01:55:22.000 Right.

01:55:22.000 And he goes, oh, she fucked my friend, and she left me.

01:55:26.000 He's like, goddammit!

01:55:27.000 Give me this bitch's number!

01:55:28.000 And he would get on the stage, hey, hey, Marcy?

01:55:31.000 Uh-oh, that's funny.

01:55:32.000 Yeah, I'm here with your ex-boyfriend, Tom.

01:55:34.000 This is Sam fucking Kennison!

01:55:36.000 And he would scream at this lady, and they had her over a speaker.

01:55:39.000 She's like, what?

01:55:40.000 What the fuck?

01:55:50.000 I saw that working.

01:55:52.000 I was working as a security guard at Great Woods Center for the Performing Arts.

01:55:57.000 I got to see it.

01:55:58.000 I paid for it there once.

01:56:00.000 I got to see him live three times.

01:56:03.000 I didn't see the special, but I saw him perform.

01:56:05.000 Like at the comedy store or something?

01:56:06.000 No, no, no.

01:56:07.000 It was at a big ass amphitheater.

01:56:09.000 Can you imagine how it felt to see him work the OR? Oh my god.

01:56:13.000 You know motherfuckers might be out in the hallway and shit trying to peek in?

01:56:17.000 Yeah.

01:56:17.000 That room started getting tight as a motherfucker.

01:56:20.000 He was so powerful.

01:56:21.000 And funny looking.

01:56:23.000 You know?

01:56:23.000 Like everything about him.

01:56:24.000 The beret and the fucking child molester jacket.

01:56:27.000 I don't say if it set the standards, but...

01:56:30.000 It was like everybody wanted to be the loud fat guy with the crazy hair.

01:56:35.000 Yeah, there was a little bit of that after that.

01:56:36.000 He opened up a door for something that people loved.

01:56:40.000 There's something about him that was like you knew that he was like genetically fucked.

01:56:46.000 It wasn't a good specimen of manhood, but he was angry and smart and confident and fucking ferocious.

01:56:54.000 And he would talk about all that.

01:56:57.000 Part of the fact that he was physically vulnerable was part of what made him funny.

01:57:02.000 And he would just...

01:57:05.000 Off the chain.

01:57:06.000 Yeah, well, the funny thing is about, he had some hilarious bits about being married, about the devil coming up to you when you're married.

01:57:13.000 Oh, you've been married?

01:57:15.000 Oh, nice.

01:57:16.000 This isn't even going to be scary for you.

01:57:18.000 Like, oh, here's where we torture the souls.

01:57:22.000 That's funny.

01:57:23.000 He had this shit where he's like, he goes, look at my face, look at my face.

01:57:27.000 Oh, oh!

01:57:28.000 He goes, I've been married!

01:57:29.000 Twice!

01:57:30.000 And you can't even try one of his jokes without doing his voice.

01:57:33.000 No, you can't.

01:57:34.000 Like, soon as...

01:57:35.000 You can do Seinfeld and you kind of do a Seinfeld voice.

01:57:39.000 Even if you hear somebody do their voice even yell a little bit like, alright, calm down, Sam Kennison.

01:57:44.000 Exactly.

01:57:45.000 Get out!

01:57:46.000 I live in hell!

01:57:49.000 Yeah, he had some groundbreaking shit where you watched it and it was like you were on a ride.

01:57:56.000 Like all of a sudden there was this new thing going on.

01:57:59.000 Was this Saturday Night Live?

01:58:01.000 I don't think so.

01:58:02.000 No?

01:58:03.000 I don't think so.

01:58:04.000 He would have tore that shit up.

01:58:05.000 He would have.

01:58:06.000 They banned him from a lot of things by the time he got to a certain stage in his comedy career.

01:58:11.000 There was certain subjects and certain...

01:58:13.000 He had this bit about AIDS. It was so ruthless.

01:58:16.000 And it was like, you can't do that?

01:58:17.000 And he goes, everybody says, AIDS. You shouldn't make fun of AIDS, Sam.

01:58:20.000 It's a communicable disease.

01:58:22.000 He goes, straight people get it too.

01:58:23.000 He goes, name one!

01:58:25.000 Name one fucking guy!

01:58:27.000 It's not our dance!

01:58:28.000 And I remember hearing that going, whoa.

01:58:30.000 That's funny.

01:58:31.000 Whoa.

01:58:32.000 Fuck you, it's not our dance!

01:58:34.000 I'm like, oh my god.

01:58:36.000 And there was certain bits like that where people were like, cut!

01:58:41.000 Yo, right now, it would be like comedy police everywhere.

01:58:44.000 Yeah, everywhere.

01:58:45.000 I mean, so much of his bits were punching down.

01:58:48.000 It was an argument that I got in with a guy who wrote a book on comedy, and he was telling me that comedy always has to punch up.

01:58:54.000 And I said, no, it doesn't.

01:58:55.000 That's crazy.

01:58:56.000 I go, Sam Kinison had one of the greatest bits of all time, two of the greatest bits of all time.

01:59:00.000 One, there was a dude who was getting fucked in the ass after he was dead.

01:59:05.000 Yo, I want another committee that nominated and made that one of all times.

01:59:11.000 But go ahead.

01:59:12.000 And then the other one was the bit about watching someone...

01:59:16.000 Oh, this one burnt.

01:59:17.000 I lost the ash here.

01:59:19.000 And the other one was a bit about us watching a commercial to, will you please donate money to feed the starving children in Africa?

01:59:27.000 And he's saying, what just occurred to us, you know, like, there wouldn't be world hunger if you people would move where the food is!

01:59:34.000 He has this horrible fucking joke.

01:59:37.000 It's the worst punching down of all time.

01:59:39.000 He's making fun of starving children.

01:59:41.000 And it's so good.

01:59:43.000 Or is it just an observation?

01:59:44.000 I call it an observation.

01:59:45.000 And he's like, he goes, hey, we got deserts in America too!

01:59:48.000 We just don't live in them, asshole!

01:59:50.000 He goes, don't send them food.

01:59:51.000 Send them U-Hauls!

01:59:53.000 Send them someone like me!

01:59:55.000 He's like, we're going to take you where the food is!

01:59:58.000 And that's all he needed to do.

02:00:00.000 It's simple.

02:00:01.000 He had a joke where he literally sang, see that?

02:00:03.000 See that?

02:00:04.000 It's fucking sand!

02:00:05.000 You know what's going to be 100 years from now?

02:00:07.000 Fucking sand!

02:00:09.000 Pack your kids!

02:00:10.000 We're going to take you where the food is!

02:00:12.000 That's funny.

02:00:13.000 And you were crying, and it was the most ruthless and wrong thing that anybody could ever say.

02:00:17.000 You're talking about starving children, and it was punching down.

02:00:20.000 I think you can make it all work.

02:00:21.000 You can make it all work.

02:00:23.000 We can make it all work.

02:00:24.000 He was punching down with earthquake-like effects.

02:00:28.000 Boom!

02:00:29.000 Boom!

02:00:29.000 And then he hit him with a punch.

02:00:30.000 I probably killed it at the end with a punch.

02:00:32.000 It was unbelievably funny.

02:00:34.000 And it was one of the most punched down things you could ever do.

02:00:37.000 He's making fun of starving babies.

02:00:39.000 I think it could be done.

02:00:40.000 You can make fun of anything.

02:00:42.000 It's just how you communicate.

02:00:43.000 We have to know two things.

02:00:45.000 One, it's not really happening the way you're saying it.

02:00:47.000 Because you're just joking and it's comedy.

02:00:49.000 And it's an observation.

02:00:50.000 Yeah.

02:00:50.000 It's an observation.

02:00:52.000 Yeah.

02:00:52.000 Somebody said, Daniel, can a joke be too soon?

02:00:55.000 And I don't think a joke could be too soon, but it never could be too soon for a funny observation.

02:01:01.000 It's the observation that we see.

02:01:03.000 We can go to a fucking funeral and be in that motherfucker on the inside laughing like crazy.

02:01:10.000 And everybody going to be talking about, I'll see you in heaven when you go to heaven, assuming that everybody's going to go to heaven.

02:01:19.000 Everybody's not going to go to heaven.

02:01:20.000 One of the best lines, one of the best one-liners I ever heard was from Dave Foley.

02:01:25.000 I was on news radio with Dave Foley after Phil Hartman had gotten murdered by his wife and then his wife committed suicide.

02:01:34.000 He was up for an Emmy.

02:01:35.000 Phil Hartman was?

02:01:36.000 Yeah, so we all went.

02:01:39.000 And we all put on suits and shit and went to the Emmys.

02:01:42.000 And the dude from Frasier won.

02:01:46.000 And Dave Foley turns to look at us and goes, what the fuck does he have to do to win?

02:01:51.000 And we're just like...

02:01:55.000 It was just one of those things, in the moment, our murdered friend just lost at the Emmys.

02:02:03.000 And he turns to us and goes, what the fuck does he have to do to win?

02:02:07.000 And me and Steven Rood were falling down in our chairs.

02:02:11.000 We're like, no, you didn't.

02:02:14.000 That's fucking funny.

02:02:16.000 There's no too soon.

02:02:18.000 It's just not funny.

02:02:19.000 Yo, motherfuckers say it's too soon.

02:02:21.000 I'm like...

02:02:22.000 Not always.

02:02:22.000 It's gonna be too late.

02:02:25.000 Because the minute you're saying it's too soon, somebody's gonna jump on that shit.

02:02:30.000 Exactly!

02:02:31.000 Fuck it.

02:02:31.000 Exactly.

02:02:32.000 It's when you think about it, that's when it has to go down.

02:02:36.000 That's why I have this bit about that dude who was visiting that uncontacted tribe and trying to convert him to Jesus, and they shot him up with arrows.

02:02:44.000 It was an internet thing?

02:02:46.000 It's a story that's on the news, and I made sure I made fun of it that day.

02:02:50.000 The moment I read it, I started writing.

02:02:52.000 I'm not letting anybody have this one.

02:02:54.000 This guy visited an uncontacted tribe with Bibles.

02:02:58.000 And then you're like this.

02:02:58.000 I gotta do a set tonight.

02:03:00.000 Tonight!

02:03:01.000 Right now.

02:03:02.000 Right now.

02:03:02.000 I called up Adam.

02:03:03.000 I'm like, you gotta hook it up, dude.

02:03:05.000 Yo, I feel that way sometimes, man.

02:03:08.000 It's like, fuck it.

02:03:08.000 I'm going for it.

02:03:09.000 Sometimes you just have to jump on something.

02:03:12.000 Man, if it doesn't make my stomach rumble a little bit, a little uncomfortable, it's funny, but it's not your gut funny.

02:03:23.000 I want my gut to be happy.

02:03:25.000 You know, one thing that I think we should really say is we should really thank all the real comedy club fans that are still coming out.

02:03:34.000 And one of the things that we're not getting, where guys like you and me perform, wild people, when we perform in front of comedy clubs, we're not getting a lot of pushback, man.

02:03:43.000 We're getting a lot of good crowds.

02:03:44.000 Man, it's great crowds, and they want to...

02:03:47.000 They want to have fun.

02:03:48.000 It's great crowds.

02:03:49.000 They want to hear that fucking voice, man.

02:03:51.000 They want to hear that crazy shit.

02:03:52.000 And then you think like...

02:03:54.000 Like with me, it's weird because I'll do shows.

02:03:58.000 I'll do like an improv scene in Cleveland or some shit.

02:04:01.000 And then I'll have a sold out show.

02:04:02.000 And I'm still clubbed.

02:04:03.000 I dabble with little theaters and that's how I'm with a group of people, whatever.

02:04:06.000 And I was like, how many people follow me on social media?

02:04:08.000 And it's like, out of a room of like 500, it'll be like four people.

02:04:13.000 And I'm like, wow, that's fucked up.

02:04:15.000 But the thing is, the show is still sold out.

02:04:18.000 You know, so it's not followers.

02:04:20.000 I really believe I have real fans.

02:04:23.000 You know, like people that, whether it's through Instagram, it doesn't have to be there, but they know this dude and they want to see him.

02:04:31.000 And that's the best shit, the crowd that comes out to see you.

02:04:34.000 For sure, 100%.

02:04:35.000 You know, it's one thing, and we can't take anything for granted.

02:04:39.000 It's one thing to, like, go up, like, at a night at the comedy store where you know it's going to be a million comics.

02:04:45.000 You know, it's going to be everybody on the stage.

02:04:46.000 You know, and it's another thing.

02:04:49.000 And you perform it, but it's another thing knowing when the people that are there are there just to see you.

02:04:54.000 When they make a weekend of it, that's dope.

02:04:58.000 It is.

02:04:59.000 It is.

02:04:59.000 It's a great responsibility too, right?

02:05:01.000 Yeah.

02:05:02.000 But you're married to it.

02:05:03.000 But when it's like your only option, for the most part, that's all I do now.

02:05:09.000 You know, so it's good.

02:05:11.000 Yeah, but it's like you're in control of your own destiny, man.

02:05:14.000 I just think the only thing you're missing is the podcast.

02:05:17.000 I think your podcast will be gigantic.

02:05:19.000 I think I'm going to do it.

02:05:20.000 Y'all know I'm going to do it.

02:05:21.000 100%.

02:05:22.000 You have to do it.

02:05:22.000 Bearded, my man, I'm telling you.

02:05:24.000 Dude.

02:05:24.000 He tells me like, we'll be talking and he'll be like...

02:05:27.000 Son, when are you going to do yours?

02:05:28.000 I said, I'm doing Joe Rogan's podcast.

02:05:29.000 He was like, yeah, but son, when are you going to do yours?

02:05:31.000 You need to do one.

02:05:32.000 Like, you're so good at this.

02:05:35.000 Let's set it up.

02:05:36.000 Set it up, Jamie.

02:05:38.000 Too soon with Donnell Rollins.

02:05:39.000 Too soon?

02:05:40.000 Yep.

02:05:40.000 I like it.

02:05:41.000 I like it.

02:05:42.000 That's it.

02:05:43.000 That's the name.

02:05:44.000 Lock it up.

02:05:45.000 Someone buy toosoon.com.

02:05:47.000 Don't be a dick.

02:05:49.000 Don't be a dick.

02:05:50.000 Give it to Donnell.

02:05:51.000 Give it to Donnell and I'll reimburse you on PayPal.

02:05:55.000 Cash App, son.

02:05:56.000 Yeah, don't be an asshole.

02:05:57.000 That's so white, son.

02:05:57.000 You gotta get Cash App.

02:05:59.000 I get Cash App?

02:06:00.000 That's what you're gonna tell people, yeah, you mean Uncle PayPal.

02:06:03.000 Dude.

02:06:03.000 You can't say PayPal.

02:06:04.000 Cash App is a sponsor of this podcast.

02:06:06.000 It is.

02:06:06.000 Cash App is the shit.

02:06:07.000 It's the shit, but PayPal's okay.

02:06:08.000 But motherfuckers Cash App be for anything.

02:06:10.000 They will.

02:06:12.000 No, you can't say PayPal.

02:06:13.000 Why not?

02:06:14.000 It's Cash App.

02:06:14.000 But I said it.

02:06:15.000 It's like saying Uncle Joe's coming over, guys.

02:06:18.000 No.

02:06:19.000 Is he bringing his PayPal account?

02:06:21.000 PayPal's great for buying things online.

02:06:22.000 You don't use it?

02:06:23.000 Yeah.

02:06:24.000 But it's not the cool shit.

02:06:26.000 Cash App's the cool shit.

02:06:27.000 Cash App is the cool shit.

02:06:28.000 I understand.

02:06:28.000 I'll Cash App you.

02:06:29.000 I have a Cash App thing, too.

02:06:31.000 I'll do that.

02:06:32.000 No, I'm going to do one.

02:06:33.000 I got to do it this year.

02:06:34.000 Too soon with Donnell.

02:06:35.000 I got to do it this year.

02:06:37.000 You should do it tomorrow.

02:06:38.000 You should literally do it tomorrow.

02:06:40.000 You're really good at it, man.

02:06:41.000 Yeah, for real.

02:06:42.000 You're really good at it.

02:06:44.000 You'd be great.

02:06:45.000 You're natural.

02:06:46.000 It doesn't even make sense that you're not.

02:06:48.000 I'd be honored to help.

02:06:50.000 I want to do it.

02:06:51.000 Let's do it.

02:06:51.000 You're the podcast motherfucker.

02:06:52.000 Why not?

02:06:53.000 Fuck with the podcast motherfucker.

02:06:54.000 I want a podcast, son.

02:06:56.000 I want everybody to do one.

02:06:57.000 I love podcasts.

02:06:59.000 You are the king of the podcast.

02:07:01.000 Well, I got lucky.

02:07:02.000 I got in early, but I love podcasts.

02:07:04.000 And I would love to listen to yours.

02:07:06.000 I'm going to do a podcast.

02:07:07.000 This sounds like a love fest.

02:07:09.000 I'm going to do a podcast.

02:07:10.000 You 100% should do a podcast.

02:07:12.000 It will 100% be gigantic.

02:07:13.000 I guarantee your podcast will be number one in iTunes within a couple of months.

02:07:19.000 100%.

02:07:20.000 Probably the first episode will be close to the top.

02:07:23.000 People want to hear it.

02:07:24.000 So how would I get it off the first one?

02:07:25.000 How would I launch it?

02:07:26.000 I'll let you back.

02:07:28.000 I'll tweet it for you.

02:07:29.000 You tell me when you're doing it.

02:07:31.000 I'll put it on Instagram for you.

02:07:33.000 Jamie will help you find a way to set it up.

02:07:36.000 Just get you either with a microphone and a friend or another comedian or whatever.

02:07:41.000 So do you think it's important to engage with other people or can you do it?

02:07:44.000 Bill Burr does it entirely on his own.

02:07:46.000 It's amazing.

02:07:47.000 Ari Shafir does some of the best shit he ever does on his own.

02:07:51.000 Ari has these long introductions.

02:07:53.000 He'll have a podcast that's two hours, but his introduction is an hour.

02:07:57.000 And it's just Ari talking shit.

02:07:59.000 And it's some of my favorite stuff that he does.

02:08:00.000 D'Elia does it by himself, too.

02:08:02.000 D'Elia and Theo.

02:08:03.000 Yeah.

02:08:03.000 Theo does it by himself.

02:08:05.000 Dude, a lot of people do them by themselves.

02:08:07.000 I need to do one.

02:08:08.000 I really need to do one.

02:08:09.000 Well, you're really funny with other people.

02:08:12.000 I mean, you could probably be just as funny by yourself, but you're a funny dude to interact with.

02:08:17.000 I think you and another person would be great.

02:08:21.000 And you could just have a friend that's also a comedian.

02:08:24.000 You don't have to have guests.

02:08:27.000 You could just be talking shit about things that are going on in the news or talking shit about life or talking shit about...

02:08:33.000 Pick a subject.

02:08:34.000 You could have Q&As from the crowd.

02:08:36.000 They could ask you questions through email.

02:08:39.000 Yeah, I want to do one.

02:08:40.000 I have to do one.

02:08:41.000 Why not, man?

02:08:42.000 Yeah, I have to do one.

02:08:44.000 100%.

02:08:44.000 It's been calling me.

02:08:45.000 Let me help you.

02:08:46.000 I'm with it.

02:08:47.000 Alright.

02:08:47.000 I mean, how about I turn that down?

02:08:49.000 You can't.

02:08:50.000 We're in.

02:08:50.000 We're in motion.

02:08:51.000 People said we look like the black and white version of each other.

02:08:54.000 Thank you.

02:08:54.000 I don't even know what to say about that.

02:08:57.000 But it does look like you're light-skinned me.

02:09:00.000 That's hilarious.

02:09:01.000 I got a...

02:09:01.000 That's funny as shit.

02:09:03.000 I guarantee you, I have way more Neanderthal.

02:09:05.000 I have 57% more Neanderthal than the average person.

02:09:08.000 You can kill an elf, motherfucker.

02:09:10.000 That's not as hard as it seems.

02:09:12.000 Especially if you have a rifle.

02:09:14.000 But you still gotta focus.

02:09:16.000 You gotta focus.

02:09:17.000 Yeah, for a rifle, you do.

02:09:18.000 But for a bow and arrow, that's when you really have to focus.

02:09:21.000 But it's...

02:09:22.000 Whenever you say bow and arrow, I just immediately hear...

02:09:25.000 Like one just went past.

02:09:27.000 Yeah.

02:09:29.000 But it's an honest way to get meat.

02:09:31.000 I think there's an honest way to earn your jokes.

02:09:36.000 There's an honest way to do stand-up.

02:09:38.000 There's an honest way to get meat.

02:09:39.000 I don't think everybody should do it.

02:09:40.000 You shouldn't have to.

02:09:41.000 A lot of people wouldn't.

02:09:43.000 If you told the average person, alright, you want chicken?

02:09:47.000 And just show him like six hens alive and he was like, you want chicken?

02:09:52.000 There you go.

02:09:54.000 That motherfucking chicken would rock before a motherfucker was able to skin it.

02:09:59.000 And do whatever they do to it.

02:10:00.000 But that's just how we're being raised.

02:10:02.000 It's a denial issue.

02:10:04.000 It's not a reality issue.

02:10:05.000 Because the reality is we're still eating animals like crazy.

02:10:08.000 The denial is no one's killing them.

02:10:10.000 There's like a tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny percent.

02:10:12.000 So you gotta get somebody to do your dirty work.

02:10:14.000 Exactly.

02:10:15.000 So because someone's doing your dirty work, you don't think it's dirty.

02:10:18.000 But...

02:10:19.000 This is the shit to get vegans caught out there.

02:10:24.000 This conversation will turn a motherfucker to a vegan.

02:10:26.000 A little bit.

02:10:28.000 There's a reason why so many people accept veganism.

02:10:33.000 It's because there's a lot of really good points.

02:10:35.000 The biggest point is less animal cruelty.

02:10:38.000 You don't want to see animals suffer.

02:10:39.000 I don't want to see animals suffer.

02:10:41.000 You were absolutely right.

02:10:43.000 But I don't hear people push that side of it As much as the dietary habits of it.

02:10:56.000 Yeah.

02:10:56.000 You know, on my side I hear like, it's carrots and this, but you don't hear about, no, it's more about the animals.

02:11:01.000 You know what it really is?

02:11:02.000 There's two things.

02:11:03.000 It really is all about the animals for a lot of them, and they're really right that it's better than the standard American diet.

02:11:11.000 That eating vegan food and healthy vegetable food all the time, as long as you do it correctly, is way better than the standard American diet.

02:11:18.000 But it's also like fish is good for you.

02:11:21.000 It just is.

02:11:22.000 It's good for you.

02:11:22.000 Piece of salmon?

02:11:23.000 Piece of salmon's good for you.

02:11:25.000 Wild salmon?

02:11:26.000 That shit's really good for you.

02:11:27.000 Tuna's good for you.

02:11:28.000 It is good for you.

02:11:29.000 This idea that it's not good for you is kind of crazy.

02:11:31.000 Like, meat is good for you.

02:11:33.000 The real problem is sugar and bullshit.

02:11:35.000 And you guys got that sorted out with the vegan diet, and some people have it sorted out with another diet.

02:11:39.000 The whole idea is to keep the poison out.

02:11:41.000 That's all it is.

02:11:42.000 They just get overzealous.

02:11:44.000 And then when people have an idea of something that they're doing that they think everybody should do, then they start telling everybody they should do it.

02:11:50.000 And then you don't want to listen.

02:11:52.000 Yeah, there's a couple of people to tell it, and then they listen.

02:11:53.000 Dude, when I was a little kid...

02:11:54.000 That's like what the fucking...

02:11:57.000 The straws and the turtle shit.

02:12:00.000 Straws and a turtle?

02:12:01.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:12:03.000 Plastic straws.

02:12:04.000 Yeah, it was like one motherfuckin' turtle And I understand it reaching out, but now you can't fuck with plastic straws.

02:12:14.000 Yeah, there was someone, I retweeted their post, I wish I could remember who the fuck said it, but they were laughing about how you can't buy straws, but at Starbucks they still have those plastic lids.

02:12:24.000 I know.

02:12:25.000 Every straw is made out of paper now.

02:12:28.000 And then you get a paper straw, and that shit gets all sloppy.

02:12:31.000 It's just bullshit.

02:12:31.000 But I understand it, but somebody started it, and motherfuckers are...

02:12:35.000 I'm fucking running with it.

02:12:36.000 Well, you know, they can make hemp plastic that's biodegradable.

02:12:39.000 They don't have to use the same stupid plastic that's made out of oil.

02:12:42.000 But they can do everything.

02:12:42.000 Hemp's about to change the world.

02:12:44.000 About to.

02:12:45.000 Shout out to Natural Cannabis.

02:12:47.000 These people told me they gave you one of those books.

02:12:50.000 Most likely.

02:12:51.000 You probably have.

02:12:52.000 It's got artwork.

02:12:53.000 It's really, really dope.

02:12:54.000 The cannabis people do?

02:12:55.000 Natural Cannabis.

02:12:57.000 But it's like...

02:12:58.000 You know, in our business, people are always handing us...

02:13:00.000 Yeah.

02:13:00.000 Always.

02:13:01.000 But this was like...

02:13:02.000 It was art.

02:13:03.000 It was like...

02:13:03.000 It was like just little nugs of each strand.

02:13:07.000 And then they had where it from.

02:13:08.000 They had a different artist designed it.

02:13:10.000 Oh, yeah.

02:13:10.000 Tate Fletcher gave me that.

02:13:11.000 That was that big-ass book he gave me at the comedy store.

02:13:13.000 Yeah.

02:13:13.000 It was...

02:13:14.000 I saw Tony with one...

02:13:15.000 And then Ivy over there, he gave me one.

02:13:17.000 And it's dope as shit.

02:13:20.000 This is the first time I saw something that made me look like, okay, this is the direction.

02:13:25.000 Everybody's going to be involved with this.

02:13:26.000 Dude, these dudes.

02:13:27.000 Everybody.

02:13:27.000 These dudes over here brought me a war case.

02:13:30.000 That war chest over there with that championship belt on the top of it.

02:13:35.000 That war chest at the bottom, that box.

02:13:37.000 That's all weed, man.

02:13:39.000 Jesus Christ.

02:13:40.000 Jesus Christ.

02:13:40.000 I'm going to open it up.

02:13:41.000 It's got LEDs.

02:13:43.000 You want to see what it looks like?

02:13:44.000 Yeah, hell yeah.

02:13:44.000 Fuck yeah.

02:13:45.000 Look at this.

02:13:48.000 I got this box for Mike Tyson.

02:13:51.000 Joe is walking over to the box.

02:13:54.000 Oh, can I video a little bit?

02:13:55.000 Yeah.

02:13:56.000 He might have forgotten that no one has a microphone.

02:14:01.000 No microphone?

02:14:02.000 Yeah.

02:14:02.000 No microphone?

02:14:03.000 That's all weed.

02:14:04.000 Man.

02:14:06.000 Sorry, folks.

02:14:07.000 It's alright.

02:14:08.000 I don't want to leave you hanging, ladies and gentlemen, but...

02:14:10.000 Yeah, I'll be right back, but I'm stopping from this site.

02:14:13.000 Everything.

02:14:15.000 I think today's the birth of a new podcast.

02:14:18.000 Someone already bought the...

02:14:19.000 They already bought too soon with Donnell.com.

02:14:22.000 Oh, beautiful.

02:14:22.000 So he has to start it.

02:14:23.000 Beautiful.

02:14:24.000 They bought it.

02:14:25.000 They're going to get it to us.

02:14:26.000 And we're going to PayPal them.

02:14:27.000 Like regular white people.

02:14:29.000 Like regular white people.

02:14:32.000 No PayPal!

02:14:33.000 I'll use the Cash App.

02:14:35.000 I'll sign up tomorrow.

02:14:36.000 I'll use the co-word Rogan and I'll get five bucks.

02:14:39.000 That's hilarious.

02:14:41.000 Just grab shit.

02:14:42.000 Whatever you want, man.

02:14:44.000 That's the whole deal with that box.

02:14:46.000 That's the box of doom.

02:14:50.000 Shout out to Gino from LA Speedweed for hooking that up.

02:14:55.000 If you're in the middle of nowhere or you're in one of those states that's still clinging to prohibition, you don't understand.

02:15:05.000 I know.

02:15:07.000 Have it all.

02:15:10.000 We'll get you a bag if you want.

02:15:11.000 You want a bag?

02:15:16.000 There's places that we get arrested for all this.

02:15:18.000 And here in California...

02:15:21.000 Yo, you got drops and shit.

02:15:22.000 Drops.

02:15:23.000 Yeah.

02:15:24.000 The future of California is 100% legality.

02:15:28.000 We're legal.

02:15:29.000 These other states, their future, they need to catch up.

02:15:32.000 They need to pass some laws.

02:15:33.000 We're living in the future.

02:15:35.000 We're living in the legal weed future.

02:15:38.000 Yo, I'm telling you, man, this shit...

02:15:40.000 Yo, this shit right here, LA would make you a snob, son.

02:15:44.000 Yeah.

02:15:44.000 Yo, LA, when you go back to the West Coast, I mean, any other coast from LA, when you go back, people are like, I got weed, and you'll be like this, what strand?

02:15:54.000 And they're like, what the fuck do you mean what strand?

02:15:57.000 I got some loud, I got some fire, I got some gas.

02:16:00.000 But this is dope.

02:16:03.000 Yeah, but you can't underestimate weed in some places.

02:16:06.000 One time Ari and Joey Diaz and I, we got cocky.

02:16:09.000 We were doing a show in Philly, and they gave us some weed.

02:16:12.000 We were like, it's Philly weed, man.

02:16:14.000 Oh yeah, that's the worst.

02:16:15.000 Will you name it after the city?

02:16:17.000 You said it's Philly weed?

02:16:19.000 We thought it was going to be like low-grade weed because it's in Philadelphia.

02:16:24.000 But the guy got a hold of some OG Kush strains from like 2001 and brought it back to Philly, and we were crippled.

02:16:33.000 But you guys had to be the type of company that you knew you would have to find the best shit.

02:16:37.000 Well, you didn't know it was going to be that good.

02:16:40.000 If I knew it was California weed, I would have backed off.

02:16:42.000 Right?

02:16:43.000 It's a different thing.

02:16:44.000 Once you say that, California.

02:16:45.000 And Denver's got that.

02:16:47.000 Yes.

02:16:48.000 I wonder who's going to be the next gangsta state.

02:16:50.000 Oregon.

02:16:51.000 Don't have the right ring.

02:16:54.000 You know Oregon.

02:16:55.000 Nope.

02:16:56.000 It's got to be like Philly.

02:16:58.000 Something that you can say really quick.

02:17:02.000 Yeah, it's...

02:17:04.000 But it's hard to find bad weed today.

02:17:07.000 Weed's everywhere now.

02:17:09.000 Yeah, you gotta think about the type of friends you have that would give you bad weed.

02:17:14.000 Yeah, there's no need for that.

02:17:15.000 I got to be for this chick at this comedy club down in Tampa or something.

02:17:19.000 I was like, you got some weed?

02:17:20.000 She was like, yeah, I got some weed.

02:17:21.000 I was like, alright.

02:17:23.000 So she gave me this joint and she said, yeah, it's some shit weed, but here you go.

02:17:28.000 And I said, what are you giving it to me for?

02:17:31.000 She was like, you wanted the weed?

02:17:32.000 I was like, why would I want some shit weed?

02:17:35.000 She got mad at me as if I was ungrateful.

02:17:39.000 I wanted to say, bitch, you smoke it.

02:17:41.000 That's what I wanted to say.

02:17:42.000 I wanted to say it, but I couldn't, son.

02:17:45.000 But I'm like this, yo, why would I want to smoke some weed that you just told me was garbage?

02:17:51.000 Just to say thank you.

02:17:52.000 Fuck that.

02:17:52.000 You can keep that shit.

02:17:55.000 It makes sense to keep it, right?

02:17:57.000 Yes.

02:17:57.000 Damn, is this childproof?

02:17:58.000 I look like a crackhead, son.

02:18:00.000 They're making some of those hard to get off now.

02:18:01.000 I swear they're not.

02:18:02.000 Oh, bam.

02:18:03.000 Look at that shit.

02:18:03.000 These are the best.

02:18:04.000 You can tell.

02:18:05.000 That's good stuff.

02:18:07.000 I know.

02:18:07.000 It's quite potent.

02:18:08.000 I know.

02:18:09.000 There's different levels.

02:18:10.000 There's three different ones, three different colors.

02:18:13.000 Find what you like.

02:18:15.000 We got some batteries back there too.

02:18:17.000 Yo, that's why I don't have some.

02:18:18.000 I feel like it's Christmas right now, man.

02:18:20.000 It is.

02:18:21.000 Go grab one of those.

02:18:22.000 Zip up.

02:18:23.000 There's a few of them.

02:18:24.000 There's three or four of them.

02:18:25.000 These are the joints.

02:18:27.000 Yeah.

02:18:27.000 No, I like those little vape pens.

02:18:29.000 They're great.

02:18:30.000 And you could regulate it.

02:18:32.000 They're good.

02:18:33.000 Once you figure out what it is.

02:18:35.000 What are these?

02:18:36.000 It's a charger.

02:18:37.000 For that?

02:18:38.000 Yeah.

02:18:39.000 Once you feel like what it is, like you get.

02:18:41.000 Why does the little battery look like it changed?

02:18:43.000 No, it's just a USB. That's a USB port.

02:18:46.000 It screws into the bottom of the base of the battery.

02:18:49.000 All right, don't nobody move.

02:18:50.000 Stay still.

02:18:52.000 Oh, word.

02:18:53.000 Hold on.

02:18:53.000 Damn, it feels like you're in a hospital when you get out of here, man.

02:18:57.000 You, like, got a roll.

02:18:59.000 Oh, I'm about to get a shot.

02:19:01.000 Yeah, that's a weird thing.

02:19:02.000 Oh, is that a disposable battery?

02:19:05.000 No.

02:19:06.000 Rechargeable with that little USB thing?

02:19:08.000 That thing right there?

02:19:09.000 Does it work?

02:19:10.000 What do you got to do with that one?

02:19:11.000 Is that a five presser?

02:19:12.000 I didn't check.

02:19:14.000 Sometimes you press them five times.

02:19:16.000 There you go.

02:19:19.000 Ta-da!

02:19:21.000 Powerful LSB. Yo, this looks so cool, man.

02:19:26.000 Yeah, it is cool.

02:19:27.000 Yeah, but in LA, we get it delivered, folks.

02:19:30.000 All right, Joe.

02:19:30.000 Keep rubbing it in, man.

02:19:32.000 All these people out there.

02:19:32.000 Keep rubbing it in.

02:19:33.000 Change the laws.

02:19:33.000 We're not going to meet you on the corner.

02:19:35.000 Change the laws.

02:19:36.000 All I'm saying is aspire.

02:19:39.000 Aspire to inspire.

02:19:40.000 Keep moving.

02:19:41.000 But in California, can you mail weed?

02:19:45.000 No, but you can fly with it.

02:19:48.000 They will let you fly out of LAX. Yeah, I'm waiting for one of you motherfuckers to get caught with that because you're the third person.

02:19:53.000 Not caught, but you're the third person to say how easy it is.

02:19:57.000 Everybody's like this.

02:19:57.000 Oh yeah, they'll let you.

02:19:58.000 I'm like, okay.

02:19:59.000 They won't let you land though.

02:20:00.000 That's the issue.

02:20:01.000 That's what the problem was.

02:20:03.000 Somebody in Boston told me that shit.

02:20:04.000 Yeah, if you land in Delaware, they'll put you in a hole.

02:20:08.000 Yo, then what the fuck?

02:20:09.000 It's like you can't do it.

02:20:11.000 No, it's still stupid in a bunch of states.

02:20:13.000 It's only legal in, what, nine states now?

02:20:16.000 I think it's legal in nine states and maybe a few more medically.

02:20:21.000 How many all-tolds?

02:20:24.000 Legality, recreational.

02:20:25.000 I think it's still only four.

02:20:28.000 But it's Nevada, too.

02:20:29.000 So it's Nevada, California, Oregon, Washington, Colorado.

02:20:36.000 That's five.

02:20:37.000 Okay, so five.

02:20:38.000 And Boston.

02:20:39.000 Boston is six.

02:20:40.000 DC. It's recreational in Massachusetts.

02:20:42.000 Yep.

02:20:43.000 I think...

02:20:44.000 Check on that.

02:20:45.000 I think it passed when we were there, but they might not have their stores open yet sort of thing.

02:20:49.000 Ohio just passed medical and they just are now opening stuff up.

02:20:52.000 Medical.

02:20:52.000 See what Massachusetts has.

02:20:54.000 I'm pretty sure Massachusetts is recreational.

02:20:56.000 Well, come on, man.

02:20:57.000 We're grown adults.

02:20:59.000 Yo, I feel like something else needs to go in here, Joe.

02:21:01.000 It is.

02:21:02.000 It is?

02:21:02.000 Yeah, Massachusetts is.

02:21:03.000 Oh, no.

02:21:04.000 I'm sorry.

02:21:05.000 No, this is a pretty-ass pouch.

02:21:08.000 It's pretty, right?

02:21:09.000 Yeah, it's nice.

02:21:10.000 Yeah.

02:21:11.000 What company is that?

02:21:12.000 What does it say on that?

02:21:13.000 Loud.

02:21:14.000 Loud.

02:21:15.000 Shout-out to Loud.

02:21:16.000 Loud and clear.

02:21:18.000 I love those little things.

02:21:19.000 Yeah, that's cool.

02:21:20.000 You know what?

02:21:20.000 That's a good dose before you go on stage.

02:21:22.000 Just a little...

02:21:23.000 A little quick, yeah.

02:21:24.000 Just a little woo!

02:21:25.000 Just a little pick-me-up.

02:21:26.000 Just a little woo!

02:21:30.000 Yep.

02:21:31.000 What is your pre-show ritual?

02:21:33.000 Do you have one?

02:21:35.000 No.

02:21:36.000 No, I like to have, like you said, two puffs of weed.

02:21:40.000 Two puffs.

02:21:41.000 Little puffs or deep tracks?

02:21:43.000 No, little puffs.

02:21:44.000 You know, Dave got me back on blunts.

02:21:46.000 Really?

02:21:46.000 Yeah.

02:21:47.000 I know you hit me with a blunt.

02:21:48.000 I was like, when you hit me with a blunt, when I first walked out, I was like, yo, Joe, slow down, man.

02:21:53.000 We get it.

02:21:55.000 You're cool, motherfucker.

02:21:58.000 That's all we use most of the time now.

02:22:00.000 Yeah.

02:22:00.000 When Charlie Murphy got me on them the first time.

02:22:04.000 And then I was like, this is an interesting experience to be high and then nicotine high at the same time.

02:22:11.000 The two of them together are unique.

02:22:14.000 Right.

02:22:14.000 It's a different feeling.

02:22:15.000 And then I didn't do it again for a long time until I smoked with Dave and John Mayer.

02:22:21.000 Name drop.

02:22:22.000 And we're both smoking that stuff.

02:22:24.000 I don't know.

02:22:24.000 I never smoked with John.

02:22:25.000 It's a nice guy.

02:22:26.000 Yeah, he's a dope guy.

02:22:27.000 He's a very, very nice guy.

02:22:30.000 These vapor shit that like squirt off, squirt out a...

02:22:33.000 Smells?

02:22:34.000 Smells and shit.

02:22:35.000 Oh, like aromatherapy?

02:22:36.000 Yes, man.

02:22:37.000 This motherfucker just...

02:22:38.000 I'm telling you.

02:22:39.000 You got to watch out because he'll just...

02:22:41.000 You can tell when he got his aromatherapy thing in his head.

02:22:44.000 Oh, my God.

02:22:44.000 Because he's just doing like this, right?

02:22:46.000 And then he'll just come by you and be like, so how's everything, right?

02:22:50.000 It's probably real, though.

02:22:51.000 It's real, but he's supposed to give me one of the motherfucking machines.

02:22:54.000 Give him a wand.

02:22:55.000 Yeah.

02:22:56.000 Give you a wand.

02:22:57.000 I'm like, I like the aroma...

02:22:58.000 He had like, it was...

02:23:00.000 Like Lavender or something.

02:23:01.000 He was like...

02:23:02.000 It was a crazy color, crazy way.

02:23:04.000 He was like, just kept just doing like this.

02:23:07.000 Lavender.

02:23:08.000 Like he was a wizard of that.

02:23:09.000 What's that smell that you gotta be careful of?

02:23:11.000 Oh, patchouli.

02:23:12.000 Patchouli equals hippies, right?

02:23:14.000 That's a plant?

02:23:15.000 Is it a plant?

02:23:16.000 Patchouli oil?

02:23:17.000 It's like a type of oil that people were wearing, like a lot of hipsters were wearing.

02:23:21.000 Right?

02:23:22.000 Is it a hipster thing?

02:23:23.000 Or a hippie?

02:23:24.000 More hippie.

02:23:24.000 Hippie, yeah.

02:23:25.000 But what is he supposed to do?

02:23:26.000 Just a stinky oil that people put on.

02:23:29.000 It's patchouli oil.

02:23:30.000 Put it up here and here.

02:23:31.000 I have some lotion, I don't have it with me, that's organic with some magical elements.

02:23:37.000 That's pretty good.

02:23:38.000 Magical elements?

02:23:39.000 Yeah.

02:23:39.000 So what is John Mayer trying to do with this aromatherapy wand that he's waving around everywhere?

02:23:44.000 I think he just wants people's sinuses to be open, man.

02:23:47.000 I think he cares about people breathing.

02:23:49.000 That's considerate.

02:23:52.000 But when he has it, he's like a different person.

02:23:57.000 I mean, it's like he's powerful.

02:24:00.000 And he brings it around people that have been drinking, so now you gotta mix the smell of fucking rum with his goddamn lavender machine.

02:24:07.000 And he only has one machine, so once he gets you addicted to it, you gotta chase him.

02:24:13.000 And he's a little too handsome.

02:24:15.000 I don't even care about that part.

02:24:19.000 I just don't want him to have me chasing him for smells.

02:24:22.000 Because the last two times I've seen him, I was like, John, man, what's up with the fucking vapor thing?

02:24:27.000 He was like, you like that, don't you?

02:24:29.000 He's got like a pimp.

02:24:31.000 He wants to hold it back from you.

02:24:32.000 Yeah, I'm going to find out who makes it.

02:24:33.000 I'm going to get my own.

02:24:34.000 You should get your own.

02:24:35.000 Yep.

02:24:36.000 Maybe I can get them to sponsor my new podcast.

02:24:38.000 I bet they would do it.

02:24:40.000 Too soon.

02:24:41.000 Too soon.

02:24:41.000 I like it.

02:24:42.000 It's born right here.

02:24:45.000 Yep.

02:24:47.000 It's inevitable.

02:24:49.000 I like it.

02:24:49.000 It's perfect.

02:24:50.000 I get to talk every...

02:24:51.000 How often do I have to do it?

02:24:52.000 Anytime you want.

02:24:53.000 Really?

02:24:53.000 That's the thing, yeah.

02:24:54.000 Yeah, you can take time off.

02:24:56.000 Ari Shafir, when he went to Asia, he went on a walkabout for like, what is it, three months?

02:25:00.000 More than three months.

02:25:01.000 Ari Shafir vanished off the face of the earth, disconnected from social media, from his phone, from his email, everything.

02:25:09.000 Bought a burner phone and went to Asia.

02:25:11.000 And just traveled around for months and months and months and months and months.

02:25:14.000 And he just...

02:25:15.000 Didn't do anything.

02:25:16.000 And then he came back.

02:25:17.000 He came back after three, four months and it just picked right up where it left before.

02:25:22.000 And now he's doing one a week.

02:25:23.000 I want to do it, man.

02:25:24.000 I got to do it.

02:25:25.000 It's easy.

02:25:26.000 You could literally do it from your phone.

02:25:28.000 I gotta do it, and it's like, I think people want me to do it.

02:25:32.000 I think I want you to do it.

02:25:34.000 I'm gonna do it.

02:25:34.000 Let's do it.

02:25:35.000 I think Jamie wants you to do it, Jamie.

02:25:36.000 Is that it?

02:25:37.000 Yeah, people want you to do it.

02:25:38.000 That's simple, man.

02:25:39.000 So simple.

02:25:40.000 I don't gotta dance.

02:25:41.000 I make power moves.

02:25:42.000 We'll help you out.

02:25:43.000 It's super easy.

02:25:44.000 Say, little bitch, you can't fuck with me if you wanted to.

02:25:48.000 These is expensive.

02:25:49.000 These is...

02:25:50.000 These is red bottoms.

02:25:52.000 These is bloody shoes.

02:25:53.000 Say, little bitch, you can't fuck.

02:25:56.000 That's what I'm saying.

02:25:57.000 You can't fuck with me if you wanted to.

02:25:59.000 You could use that as your opening music.

02:26:01.000 Man, I'm telling you, that's it.

02:26:05.000 You can do whatever you want.

02:26:06.000 You can't fuck with me if you wanted to.

02:26:10.000 These is special.

02:26:11.000 These is red.

02:26:12.000 These is gutter.

02:26:14.000 These is butter.

02:26:15.000 These is Brooklyn shoes.

02:26:18.000 Say, little bitch, you can't fuck with me if you wanted to.

02:26:22.000 These is expensive.

02:26:23.000 These is butters.

02:26:24.000 These is Brooklyn shoes.

02:26:26.000 Please welcome too soon.

02:26:28.000 Hit the store.

02:26:30.000 Cop them both.

02:26:30.000 Bitch, I don't gotta choose.

02:26:32.000 And I'm quick.

02:26:34.000 Cut a nigga up so don't get comfortable.

02:26:40.000 That's it, son.

02:26:42.000 No bleeps.

02:26:43.000 It's perfect.

02:26:45.000 I want to do it!

02:26:47.000 The thing is, yeah, no bleeps.

02:26:49.000 Ever.

02:26:49.000 Do whatever you want.

02:26:50.000 No bleeps.

02:26:51.000 All fuck-ups and all.

02:26:53.000 Let it roll.

02:26:55.000 Yeah, man.

02:26:56.000 I want to do it.

02:26:57.000 You should do it.

02:26:58.000 I am going to do it.

02:27:00.000 100%.

02:27:00.000 Yeah, everybody was excited.

02:27:01.000 My friends, everybody was geeked out.

02:27:04.000 You're doing Joe's podcast.

02:27:05.000 You're doing Joe's podcast.

02:27:06.000 That's awesome.

02:27:07.000 That's awesome.

02:27:08.000 That's awesome.

02:27:09.000 I'm like, I can't wait.

02:27:11.000 But my friend keeps telling me, he says, Donnell, fuck that.

02:27:15.000 Do your own.

02:27:16.000 You should do your own.

02:27:16.000 He's right.

02:27:18.000 Your friend loves you.

02:27:19.000 It's quite obvious.

02:27:21.000 It's making a lot of sense.

02:27:22.000 I like the fact that I know motherfuckers have got wolves.

02:27:26.000 Wolves?

02:27:27.000 That's a wolf outside, right?

02:27:29.000 Yeah.

02:27:29.000 American Werewolf in London.

02:27:31.000 Yeah.

02:27:32.000 I don't know how to feel.

02:27:34.000 It feels very...

02:27:36.000 The thing about your podcast, too, is with technology today, you could literally do all of it on a phone.

02:27:44.000 If you feel like fucking around for a little bit, getting your feet wet, you could do everything from your phone.

02:27:49.000 You could stream from your phone.

02:27:51.000 You could record from your phone.

02:27:52.000 You could do everything.

02:27:53.000 What about...

02:27:54.000 Could I do...

02:27:58.000 Just if I've recorded, I know there may be an app, but if I've recorded my voice memo, is it important just to have my voice, or it has to be on a certain...

02:28:10.000 Oh, yeah.

02:28:11.000 Well, the voice recorder, like on a phone, on an iPhone, the voice notes, I have made at least a dozen podcasts.

02:28:19.000 So I can use that?

02:28:20.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:28:20.000 Just with that, that's been a dozen podcasts.

02:28:23.000 A lot of them on planes.

02:28:24.000 Like me and Tony Hinchcliffe would be on a plane.

02:28:26.000 I just have the phone between us.

02:28:28.000 We just start talking shit and drinking cocktails and laughing.

02:28:30.000 So the more important thing is the conversation.

02:28:32.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:28:33.000 It doesn't...

02:28:34.000 It doesn't matter.

02:28:35.000 I mean, as long as you do your...

02:28:37.000 Like right now, we have a real professional setup.

02:28:39.000 We have a desk.

02:28:40.000 We have microphones.

02:28:41.000 Jamie's a real audio engineer.

02:28:43.000 He knows exactly what he's doing.

02:28:44.000 Everything sounds amazing.

02:28:46.000 But as long as you put the effort to give people a good, solid product, occasionally you can have one where you're just talking on a phone.

02:28:52.000 They won't be upset.

02:28:54.000 It'll actually be kind of cool.

02:28:55.000 People will know, oh, these guys are on a plane.

02:28:57.000 You can hear the stewardess comes over.

02:28:59.000 We're talking to her.

02:29:00.000 But I like that.

02:29:00.000 Is that not normal?

02:29:02.000 No, it's not normal.

02:29:03.000 But you could totally do that, too.

02:29:05.000 The thing is, like, if you just started doing that, people would love it.

02:29:09.000 And then let it just sort of figure its own, you know, as it gets bigger, figure its own path.

02:29:14.000 But you don't need a big investment to start.

02:29:17.000 You just need one of them little Zoom recorders.

02:29:19.000 I got a Zoom.

02:29:20.000 Yeah, perfect.

02:29:21.000 Microphone?

02:29:22.000 Two microphones?

02:29:23.000 I need to just do it, bro.

02:29:24.000 Just do it.

02:29:24.000 I just gotta do it.

02:29:25.000 And you could do it.

02:29:26.000 You know, here's the thing.

02:29:27.000 This is the thing.

02:29:28.000 Alright, here's the thing.

02:29:29.000 With me, while I was probably somewhat hesitant, I'm like, man, everybody got a goddamn podcast.

02:29:35.000 Yes, but, but.

02:29:36.000 The but.

02:29:37.000 The but.

02:29:37.000 If you're with the right network of people, and you're with the right network of people, people recognize.

02:29:42.000 If you're in the network of people, we were talking about you did Theo's show, you do my show, you do Joey Diaz's show.

02:29:48.000 Have you done Joey's show yet?

02:29:49.000 I haven't done Joey's show.

02:29:50.000 You'll do Joey's show.

02:29:51.000 Everybody does everybody's show.

02:29:52.000 Kevin Smith?

02:29:53.000 Yeah, all these guys, funny people.

02:29:55.000 You do their show, and then everybody knows, oh, okay.

02:29:57.000 And then it's all in the same group of people, and everybody gets a bump.

02:30:01.000 Everybody gets a bump.

02:30:03.000 Everyone.

02:30:03.000 As long as everybody is succeeding and everybody's doing well and there's more and more podcasts.

02:30:07.000 And if I say, hey, you should see this guy's podcast.

02:30:11.000 Can I say something right now, Joe?

02:30:13.000 For all the black people that are listening right now, could you please take a note of what Joe just said for the last minute?

02:30:21.000 Networking.

02:30:21.000 You gotta network.

02:30:23.000 All the family.

02:30:23.000 It's everything.

02:30:24.000 And more importantly...

02:30:27.000 Everybody gets a bump.

02:30:28.000 Everybody gets a bump.

02:30:29.000 Including me.

02:30:30.000 Including me.

02:30:31.000 Everybody who's, even the people that are making more money, everything's better for everybody.

02:30:36.000 And it feels better.

02:30:38.000 It feels better when everybody's doing great.

02:30:41.000 Man, I'm telling you, I'm with you 100% on that.

02:30:43.000 And that's like, I'm with you 100% on that.

02:30:47.000 And it's not, it's really simple.

02:30:49.000 Yeah, it's really simple.

02:30:50.000 It's hard when you're struggling.

02:30:53.000 Because when you're struggling, you feel isolated and you feel alone.

02:30:55.000 You feel like it's you versus everybody else.

02:30:57.000 But it's really not.

02:30:58.000 And one of the things about comedians is, we've had this conversation many times where we try to figure out what the number is.

02:31:04.000 I don't know what the number is, but it might be less than a thousand on the whole planet.

02:31:09.000 On the whole planet Earth, there's seven billion people.

02:31:11.000 There might be a thousand legit comedians.

02:31:13.000 And I'm probably being real generous when I say that.

02:31:16.000 I'm with you 100%.

02:31:17.000 If I run into a dude like you or any other real legit comedian, that is a rare human being.

02:31:25.000 There's not a whole lot of us.

02:31:26.000 If we don't stick together, who the fuck will?

02:31:29.000 Nobody.

02:31:29.000 Whose alarm's going off?

02:31:31.000 Dude, you going to sleep?

02:31:32.000 Yeah, no.

02:31:33.000 Oh my God, we're in a dream.

02:31:35.000 Imagine if that alarm went off and I woke up to pee.

02:31:38.000 I was like, fuck, I was dreaming.

02:31:39.000 Yo, you got me wanting to do a podcast, son.

02:31:42.000 I'm going to do it.

02:31:43.000 This is an epic podcast.

02:31:45.000 Yeah, man.

02:31:46.000 I really believe that.

02:31:48.000 I really do believe that.

02:31:49.000 But I believe that about all that shit.

02:31:51.000 It's good for everybody.

02:31:53.000 It's good for all of us.

02:31:54.000 It makes sense.

02:31:54.000 That's what I was saying.

02:31:56.000 I was making a point, not being funny, but making a point.

02:31:58.000 And I was like, black folk that are listening right now, listen to the strategy and listen to what he just said.

02:32:05.000 Listen to what he just said.

02:32:06.000 It has nothing to do with anything other than community.

02:32:10.000 All the other shit that's in your head in terms of competitiveness is in your own head.

02:32:15.000 When you have that stage, that's your stage.

02:32:18.000 You're there for 15 minutes or 20 minutes, whatever your set is, that's yours.

02:32:22.000 What everybody else does should be fuel.

02:32:24.000 It should inspire you.

02:32:25.000 And we should support each other because there's not many of us.

02:32:29.000 But I'm telling you, bro, and that's the...

02:32:31.000 I'm with you 100%.

02:32:32.000 But that is one of the troubling factors in a lot of communities like to support...

02:32:40.000 It goes away.

02:32:41.000 Yeah.

02:32:41.000 You know what I mean?

02:32:42.000 Motherfuckers talk.

02:32:43.000 They talk.

02:32:44.000 Everybody talk.

02:32:45.000 But do you know why?

02:32:46.000 I really believe this.

02:32:47.000 Why the support goes away?

02:32:48.000 The famine mentality.

02:32:49.000 Famine, what do you mean?

02:32:50.000 Famine.

02:32:51.000 They feel like there's not enough for everybody.

02:32:53.000 Everybody had this feeling for the longest time that there's not enough for everybody.

02:32:56.000 And I think that's a crazy way to think of things.

02:32:57.000 There's There's more than enough for everybody.

02:32:59.000 There's 300 million people.

02:33:01.000 How many fucking people do you need in your audience?

02:33:04.000 You should realize if you really enjoyed doing stand-up, you'd want these people to become fans of stand-up.

02:33:09.000 So you'd want to tell them about all these other comedians.

02:33:11.000 Tell them about Joey Diaz.

02:33:13.000 Tell them about, you know, fill in the blank, Tony Hinchcliffe.

02:33:15.000 Whoever it is that you think is hilarious.

02:33:17.000 Tell them!

02:33:18.000 There's a lot out there to see, man.

02:33:20.000 This is a great time.

02:33:21.000 Yeah, but motherfuckers, I'm telling you, certain communities, they just don't want to...

02:33:24.000 They don't want to tell motherfuckers to be just on their self and themselves so much that they don't want to help.

02:33:31.000 They don't want to reach out.

02:33:32.000 And it's like, you know what I'm saying?

02:33:33.000 Like, the conversation you're having with me right now, it's simple for you because, you know, those are the type of friends and those are the type of people you deal with.

02:33:41.000 But some people, you know what I mean?

02:33:43.000 I do know what you mean.

02:33:44.000 You know what I mean?

02:33:44.000 They have other fucked up shit.

02:33:46.000 Like, I look at it like people I hang with, Chappelle and these other guys, like, I went around some powerful motherfuckers, but we're friends first and foremost.

02:33:56.000 But everybody don't think like that.

02:33:58.000 That's a tough one.

02:33:59.000 It is a tough one, but it's just a matter of a shift in the way you view things.

02:34:05.000 Just look at it.

02:34:06.000 Don't let go of your beliefs.

02:34:08.000 Just try to look at it in another way.

02:34:10.000 Try to look at it in another way.

02:34:12.000 You're way better off if you're a team.

02:34:14.000 You're way better off if there's camaraderie.

02:34:18.000 100%.

02:34:18.000 When you do a show with someone who's a murderer, a murderer, and they go on in front of you, you're way better off if you're laughing.

02:34:24.000 When you go on that stage, you're way better off if you're loose.

02:34:27.000 Like, you just had a good time.

02:34:28.000 But if you're tense, like I told you, I bombed with Jim Brewer.

02:34:31.000 I was backstage freaking out.

02:34:32.000 I was like, God damn, I gotta follow this?

02:34:34.000 How the fuck am I gonna follow this?

02:34:35.000 But you was younger then.

02:34:36.000 I was way younger.

02:34:37.000 But I was only gonna eat shit.

02:34:38.000 I knew I was gonna eat shit.

02:34:39.000 But another thing, Joe, it probably wasn't...

02:34:41.000 And it was probably...

02:34:42.000 It's hard to get away from whatever your first experience is gonna be.

02:34:45.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:34:46.000 It's probably your first experience.

02:34:48.000 It happened like that.

02:34:49.000 Like a real bomber.

02:34:50.000 Like a, oh, I couldn't do shit about it.

02:34:52.000 Yeah, like I was supposed to do 45 minutes, I got off stage at 35. But you went back in the gym!

02:34:57.000 I did, I had to.

02:34:58.000 Yeah, but the thing is, like, Jim and I have always been friends, and I've been friends with a lot of people that made me eat shit, going on after them.

02:35:04.000 It didn't matter.

02:35:05.000 The thing about it is that, like, and even after all these years, I feel genuinely, genuinely honored to be a part of this group of people.

02:35:15.000 Yeah.

02:35:16.000 Because we do something that is my favorite thing to watch.

02:35:19.000 That's a group of people, but like you say, it's like a limited circle of like, there's no other way to say it but real motherfuckers.

02:35:27.000 It's a small circle.

02:35:28.000 It's some okay motherfuckers.

02:35:30.000 Right, right, right.

02:35:31.000 You know, it's some motherfuckers like, you're like, they say somebody's name, and you're like, it's okay.

02:35:37.000 Okay.

02:35:37.000 And they're like, no!

02:35:38.000 You're like...

02:35:39.000 I heard you, right?

02:35:40.000 You're like, I heard you.

02:35:41.000 But this is the real folks.

02:35:42.000 And like you say, they got to stay united.

02:35:46.000 I tell you, a couple weeks ago when I was with Dave, and he said, comedians, it's time to grab our balls.

02:35:51.000 Because now more than ever, we're the only people that we have to talk about what's fucked up in the world.

02:35:59.000 Yes.

02:36:00.000 We have to.

02:36:00.000 We can't keep it to ourselves.

02:36:02.000 No.

02:36:03.000 It's not fair to nobody.

02:36:05.000 It's too confusing right now because it's too dangerous to have any controversial ideas.

02:36:09.000 People are getting in trouble for left, right.

02:36:10.000 Well, you don't have no balls, though.

02:36:12.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:36:12.000 When you own it, you own it.

02:36:13.000 Yep.

02:36:14.000 You own it.

02:36:14.000 If you own it, you own it.

02:36:18.000 Yeah.

02:36:18.000 Everybody don't do it.

02:36:20.000 You know?

02:36:21.000 And normally, I'm telling you, if you have a...

02:36:26.000 People know your character.

02:36:28.000 If you own it, they know what you meant to say.

02:36:30.000 They know.

02:36:31.000 Exactly.

02:36:31.000 Come on, man.

02:36:32.000 Really?

02:36:33.000 Yeah.

02:36:34.000 If you own it.

02:36:36.000 Someone was asking me, why do you think Charlie Sheen never got Me Too'd?

02:36:39.000 I was like, what are you going to do to him?

02:36:42.000 He hasn't already done to himself.

02:36:43.000 The guy was on ABC Good Morning America talking about smoking rocks.

02:36:47.000 You know why they didn't know by Me Too'd?

02:36:51.000 Because they didn't want him to have another show.

02:36:55.000 Think about it.

02:36:56.000 If he would have got Me Too'd, he would have been in the headlines, and he would have found the show somewhere.

02:37:00.000 Let's talk about that.

02:37:02.000 Collectively, there was a period of time where Hollywood lost their fucking mind, and they were giving out these deals where if you got a certain amount of episodes, they signed you up for 100 episodes.

02:37:10.000 And that's what happened with Anger Management, the Charlie Sheen show.

02:37:14.000 Charlie Sheen made more money off that show than he did even off Three and a Half Men.

02:37:17.000 But people don't know that.

02:37:19.000 People don't know that.

02:37:20.000 He knows that.

02:37:21.000 He's the only one that needs to know.

02:37:22.000 Yeah, but it's a crazy story.

02:37:24.000 They used to sign shows.

02:37:26.000 TV's $200 million Charlie Sheen experiment.

02:37:29.000 They used to sign these shows and they would sign these shows in the anticipation of it being a huge success.

02:37:37.000 So they did that with him.

02:37:38.000 They did it with George Lopez.

02:37:39.000 And they gave him the money up front?

02:37:40.000 They give you a certain percentage.

02:37:43.000 I don't know how it's structured, but apparently the point is that they sign up for a giant number of shows.

02:37:48.000 Not 13, not 22. They sign you up for a giant number of shows.

02:37:53.000 And by doing that, somehow or another, right after Charlie Sheen had his whole scandal leaving two and a half men, he went on to make way more money than ever before.

02:38:15.000 I think crack.

02:38:20.000 Yeah.

02:38:20.000 Doing drugs.

02:38:21.000 Either way.

02:38:21.000 I don't think I've ever had a crack conversation with anybody.

02:38:23.000 I don't think so either.

02:38:24.000 There's no crack advocates.

02:38:26.000 There's no weed advocates.

02:38:28.000 Nobody's like, yo, last night was a little weird.

02:38:30.000 You know what I mean?

02:38:31.000 Like, yo, I had too many.

02:38:32.000 You can't say.

02:38:33.000 You got too many beers, too many glasses of wine.

02:38:35.000 I had too many crack rocks.

02:38:36.000 Come on, man.

02:38:38.000 Yeah, there's a certain darkness given into that glass dick.

02:38:41.000 Once you start going down that road, you know you've made a choice.

02:38:46.000 You know, there's no critical thinking involved there.

02:38:48.000 That's debauchery.

02:38:49.000 That's the happiness you chose.

02:38:51.000 Everybody chooses different happinesses.

02:38:52.000 I had a friend who did a lot of crack back in New York.

02:38:56.000 It was weird.

02:38:57.000 He would have to drink like 40 ounces of malt liquor to try to calm down because he'd be just so jacked up from the crack.

02:39:04.000 I had a crackhead friend, and I was like, I gave him so many opportunities just to be cool, and he gave me a crackhead experience once.

02:39:14.000 It was almost McDonald's, bro.

02:39:16.000 We was waiting for McDonald's, and then we gave him the money.

02:39:18.000 They was like, what happened?

02:39:19.000 I was like, oh, man.

02:39:20.000 We were like, we know you're a crackhead, but don't crackhead us.

02:39:24.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:39:25.000 Go outside of our community, but like here, don't do that, bro.

02:39:29.000 Yeah, my friend was brilliant, too.

02:39:31.000 Brilliant, brilliant guy, but he had just like mental problems and he just needed to get high all the time.

02:39:36.000 He never wanted to be...

02:39:37.000 It was his escape?

02:39:38.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:39:38.000 He never wanted to be alone with his thoughts.

02:39:41.000 That's a tough one for a lot of people.

02:39:43.000 It was a real one for him because he was brilliant.

02:39:46.000 He's a brilliant guy.

02:39:48.000 But he was also homeless half the time I knew him, you know?

02:39:51.000 It was a lot going on, man, with him.

02:39:53.000 A lot going on, but he was...

02:39:55.000 Nobody could help him?

02:39:57.000 He was too stubborn.

02:39:58.000 He wouldn't listen.

02:39:59.000 He would just vanish and disappear and do drugs for a few days and then come back.

02:40:04.000 He could do math in his head.

02:40:05.000 Like you could say to him, 99 times 54 times 6 minus 5 divided by 3. When he was sober.

02:40:11.000 Yeah, and he would just bang it out.

02:40:13.000 He would just tell you what it is.

02:40:14.000 Quick.

02:40:15.000 He would tell you.

02:40:17.000 And you'd be there with a calculator.

02:40:18.000 You're like, you motherfucker.

02:40:20.000 Yeah.

02:40:20.000 It was crazy.

02:40:21.000 But he couldn't manage his own brain to the point where he could stay away from hard drugs.

02:40:26.000 And he eventually died of an overdose.

02:40:29.000 Yep.

02:40:30.000 That's usually a...

02:40:32.000 The end of that one.

02:40:33.000 That's how it goes.

02:40:34.000 That's usually how that one goes, bruh.

02:40:36.000 Yeah.

02:40:38.000 It's like this, yeah.

02:40:40.000 Like, not too many motherfuckers come back from that.

02:40:42.000 They don't come back from the needle.

02:40:44.000 Nope.

02:40:44.000 They don't come back from none of that shit.

02:40:45.000 It's hard.

02:40:46.000 I mean, it is possible, but you need some help.

02:40:49.000 Yeah.

02:40:49.000 That's one of the reasons why that 12-step shit works.

02:40:51.000 We really give in to God or the higher power.

02:40:54.000 It's like you're going to have to somehow or another think there's something more important than what you're doing, otherwise you're never going to stop this shit.

02:41:00.000 Yeah, but those people become like big sex addicts and shit too.

02:41:04.000 Coffee and cigarettes.

02:41:05.000 You're like motherfuckers.

02:41:06.000 Anybody you know that used to be heroin addicts, they want to fuck everything.

02:41:09.000 All the time.

02:41:09.000 They want coffee.

02:41:11.000 Son, they want coffee and some ass, son.

02:41:15.000 They don't give a fuck, son.

02:41:17.000 Give me the ass first.

02:41:18.000 Coffee, whatever it is.

02:41:20.000 You do know.

02:41:22.000 Yo, that's so fucking funny.

02:41:24.000 So true.

02:41:25.000 Everybody that I know that had a situation.

02:41:27.000 Them motherfuckers on coffee hard and shit.

02:41:29.000 They don't ever get rid of those tendencies.

02:41:31.000 They just try to figure out a way to...

02:41:33.000 Put it somewhere else.

02:41:33.000 Yeah, put it in a positive way.

02:41:35.000 It's more socially acceptable.

02:41:36.000 Yeah, or it's marathon running or some shit.

02:41:38.000 Yeah.

02:41:39.000 There's a lot of those guys.

02:41:39.000 Nigga hard.

02:41:41.000 Those newly gym motherfuckers.

02:41:43.000 This could go on and on.

02:41:45.000 Don L, I think we birthed a new podcast today.

02:41:48.000 Yo.

02:41:49.000 You know what I just did?

02:41:51.000 And I know there's a reason why I bumped into you in the show.

02:41:56.000 And we see each other in passing.

02:41:57.000 We've been talking about doing this for a long time.

02:41:59.000 You know what I mean?

02:41:59.000 But I don't, like, when I see you in the comedy club, I'm like this, yo, that motherfucker working, I'm working.

02:42:04.000 What's up?

02:42:05.000 I know you're Joe Rogan, yada, yada.

02:42:07.000 But I was like...

02:42:09.000 You know, you do your shit.

02:42:12.000 I'm like, but when I see, I be like, didn't work.

02:42:14.000 I'm glad we had this conversation.

02:42:16.000 I just did Burt's cooking show.

02:42:18.000 And I took that shit over, son.

02:42:21.000 They was like, yo, this might be my week at getting shows, son.

02:42:25.000 They was like, yo, you still cooking show, right?

02:42:28.000 I went to Burt's shit.

02:42:29.000 Burt was like, I think I just gave my show to Donnell, right?

02:42:32.000 Then I come here, then Joe Rogan's like, yo, Donnell, let's do a show.

02:42:35.000 We can do it right here.

02:42:36.000 You have to do a show.

02:42:37.000 Fuck it, let's do it.

02:42:38.000 You have to do a show.

02:42:39.000 Yeah, and like I said, you start off easy.

02:42:41.000 Just put a microphone on your iPhone.

02:42:42.000 It's nothing.

02:42:43.000 It's easy to do.

02:42:44.000 I got all that.

02:42:44.000 I'm going to do it.

02:42:45.000 Beautiful!

02:42:46.000 Yes.

02:42:46.000 Hey, this was a lot of fun, brother.

02:42:48.000 Thanks for having me.

02:42:48.000 Thank you.

02:42:49.000 My pleasure, sir.

02:42:49.000 Thank you, man.

02:42:49.000 Appreciate it.

02:42:50.000 That was a good time, man.

02:42:51.000 Always good to see you, man.

02:42:51.000 And congratulations.

02:42:53.000 Congratulations on all your success and however many years you've been doing it.

02:42:57.000 Because when I was first introduced, I knew Fear Factor.

02:43:01.000 I didn't even know that you did stand-up.

02:43:03.000 Until I came out here.

02:43:05.000 Wow.

02:43:05.000 I didn't even know that.

02:43:07.000 You know what I thought?

02:43:08.000 I was like, oh, that's the TV nigga, right?

02:43:11.000 I don't believe it, son.

02:43:12.000 I was like, that's the TV nigga right there, right?

02:43:14.000 That TV nigga do podcasts, too?

02:43:17.000 And then I was like, that nigga do stand-up, too?

02:43:20.000 And I was like, all right, but he a podcast nigga, right?

02:43:23.000 And then when I saw you do your show, I was like, he'll go hard, motherfucker, son.

02:43:28.000 I appreciate your work ethics in everything you do.

02:43:31.000 Thank you, brother.

02:43:32.000 I appreciate you too, man.

02:43:33.000 I appreciate your perspective on comedy, your approach, your ethics, the whole deal, man.

02:43:39.000 I appreciate you.

02:43:39.000 I appreciate you being around the Comedy Store too.

02:43:41.000 It's awesome.

02:43:42.000 All right.

02:43:43.000 Donnell, ladies and gentlemen.

The Joe Rogan Experience - February 19, 2019

Joe Rogan Experience #1249 - Donnell Rawlings

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