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00:01:24.000The flat earth folks, they believe dinosaurs are fake.
00:01:28.000Why is it that most flat earthers, from my experience, are generally super good at a discipline that has nothing to do with astrophysics like jiu-jitsu?
00:01:37.000They spend a lot of time on a mat, but then they have really strong political opinions about the central banks.
00:01:42.000I think it's just a lack of real education, and then you get caught up in these YouTube things that show you a secret, and it's very attractive.
00:01:53.000It's very attractive to find out about some hidden stuff.
00:01:57.000Like, oh my god, I can't believe they did this.
00:01:59.000They hid from us the fact that the Earth is flat.
00:02:19.000But then the problem is when you break your leg and you have to set your bone or you get staph and you have to trust big pharma to cure it or you use your iPhone and it works and you're talking to somebody in Japan.
00:02:55.000But that really means only five or six in the grand scheme of things.
00:02:57.000I think the problem with all of them is that they just got married to the idea and then they're fighting it.
00:03:02.000And if you fight it with someone who doesn't know what they're talking about, not that I do know what I'm talking about, but if you fight it with like a Sean Carroll or like a real astrophysicist, a real scientist.
00:04:19.000When was the discovery of mountain gorillas?
00:04:22.000Don't they think those giant chimps in the Congo are a hybrid?
00:04:25.000No, they don't anymore, because they have DNA. They're the only chimpanzee species, or subspecies, I guess you'd say, that they found that has a crest on its skull like a gorilla.
00:07:42.000There was a traveling circus where they had a chimp, and they would muzzle it, and they'd have any man, the biggest man, just to hold the chimp down for six seconds, or three seconds, and no man was ever able to do it.
00:08:55.000But that thing in the Congo, man, it's apparently in a very difficult spot to reach.
00:09:00.000It's very dangerous to go through there.
00:09:02.000You know, when Justin Wren goes through there, he has some hair-raising stories about being held up at gunpoint.
00:09:08.000People thought they were going to kill somebody.
00:09:12.000A lot of the people, a lot of the apparently...
00:09:15.000A lot of the sort of soldiers and people who committed atrocities from the war in Rwanda kind of, in their bands, kind of moved into the Congo and lived in the jungle.
00:13:03.000Even now, these poor villagers, they're poor, and they build these crops, and they have this farm, and they have all this food for their village, and then elephants roam in.
00:15:15.000Well, when you go to a game reserve in South Africa, it has to be big enough to sustain lions because it's super expensive because a pride of lions will eat everything.
00:15:25.000So you've got to keep replenishing the animals because they're just too effective.
00:15:30.000Well, you know, after that dentist shot Cecil the lion, it became this international outrage.
00:15:36.000They banned the lion hunting, and because of that, people didn't want to go back, and they weren't getting the money from it, so they wound up euthanizing like 200 lions.
00:16:19.000Is there an activity that's more human in that, like, we are so conflicted and so weird that the only way we have animals that stay alive in this part of the world, like where they're in record populations, is to set it up so you can kill them.
00:19:04.000So my dog ate a shitload of it, and they pumped his stomach, gave him charcoal, and then he had to take vitamin K supplements for a long time.
00:23:03.000Megan Fox, I was doing a movie with her, and I assumed she started talking about signs, and I was making fun of psychics and signs, and Megan goes, well, maybe you ever think that maybe you're a little closed-minded?
00:23:18.000And I go, no, I'm not scientific-minded, and no, I'm not, and I think all psychics are liars, and I think astrology is bullshit.
00:23:24.000But then Megan literally went into her knowledge of science and geology and economics Everything else and I was like, oh, you're a fucking...
00:24:10.000Because if a great man has a son, most likely he's going to teach that son some cool shit, and the son's going to have to live up to a certain standard.
00:32:12.000And then somewhere around the end of the first round, Anderson would start switching stances on you and fucking doing some Bruce Lee moves.
00:32:18.000And the next thing you know, he's got his foot in your face.
00:37:15.000I mean, sometimes, my buddy Chris from Boston is a giant, and he'll, by accident, sometimes, you know, you get connected and stuff, but, you know, you learn how to kind of keep your hands up.
00:38:31.000I think everybody needs someone who they trust implicitly that can pull the cord on them and to tell them, hey man, you gotta stop getting hit.
00:38:43.000And for young fighters, man, it is such a hard decision to make.
00:38:49.000I've talked to several guys that have to tell their fighter, several trainers that have to tell their fighters to retire, and it's never easy.
00:40:22.000I mean, that's why they become successful in the first place.
00:40:25.000If you think about how you are when you first start out, even if you're like real athletic, you're fucking terrible.
00:40:30.000You know, you're hitting the bag, your feet are off, even if you hit it hard, like you're doing something wrong, you're clumsy, you're wide open afterwards, there's something that someone who's really good will expose.
00:40:39.000And then eventually, you learn skills, and as you learn skills, you see those holes, you tighten all those holes up, and then you become far better than you were.
00:40:47.000But the only reason why you can do that is because you think you're a bad motherfucker from the jump.
00:42:34.000When you get a guy that good at slashing people with elbows and punching people and you get him on top of you, their ground and pound is on another level.
00:42:44.000Because they can generate serious power in short distances like a lot of grapplers have a hard time with.
00:42:50.000Like, do you remember when Crow Cop got on top of Gonzaga and opened his face up with an elbow?
00:43:28.000The layer is high in iridium, I think, and iridium is very rare on Earth but very common in space.
00:43:36.000And there's a bunch of other indications that that's the time that it hit.
00:43:41.000But what they're saying in the Radiolab one is that the current state of understanding is that the dinosaurs and basically most things died within the first couple hours.
00:44:22.000That's what we really should be thinking about.
00:44:25.000Not just how bad we're fucking the Earth up, but how bad something could fuck the Earth up from the sky.
00:44:29.000That's what we really should be paying attention to.
00:44:31.000Instead of paying attention to so many nonsensical things that people concentrate on, there's a real chance that we could get hit in our lifetime with something that ends civilization.
00:45:29.000They wiped out 90—a lot of people think that the genocide of the Native Americans was just European soldiers and people and settlers killing Native Americans, which did happen.
00:45:45.000Like, the entire population— Well, they even had certain government policies where they're like, you missionaries are going out there and trying to convert them to Christianity.
00:45:58.000They were like, they're getting sick and they're dying of, you know, all of a sudden they were like, we're getting these colds and people are dying.
00:46:06.000They didn't have any resistance to it.
00:46:09.000Those dirty Europeans with their shit water chutes outside their house and all the fucking vermin running around.
00:46:36.000You can be really ready for a situation, you know, in a bar, I guess, and then you get bit by a tick, or you get a flesh-eating disease, and you die.
00:46:48.000So I don't know if there's any way to protect yourself.
00:46:52.000Well, I mean, you can protect yourself, but you are ultimately very vulnerable.
00:46:57.000But then what this Radiolab was freaking me out about was that there's so many of those things floating around the sky.
00:47:04.000I mean, this is what Graham talked about in not just this book, but in previous books, that they think that something slammed into the earth somewhere in the past that ended the Ice Age, probably wiped out a giant chunk of the large megafauna on North America.
00:47:18.000It led to the almost instantaneous extinction of so many different animals.
00:49:06.000They were doing them up until in the 1900s.
00:49:09.000I don't know if it stopped in the 50s or 40s at the exact time.
00:49:12.000What do you think they're doing now, besides circumcision, that people are going to look back on like that and go, what the fuck were they thinking?
00:51:40.000I'm reading this book on the brain, sort of.
00:51:43.000That guy David Epstein, he wrote The Sports Gene, where he found the fastest people in the world, a tiny part of Africa, the people that run the farthest, which is the highlands of Kenya.
00:51:56.000And then there's a new book coming out called Range, which And it's about how when you teach a kid or when you learn a lot of different disciplines, so if you're some of the best violinists, some of the best athletes,
00:52:30.000He was watching, having him watch how he swings and everything.
00:52:34.000And Roger Federer, greatest tennis player ever, was playing into music, playing soccer, playing anything with a ball, and didn't really get into tennis, didn't really find his love of tennis until he was in his teens.
00:52:49.000And a lot of musicians, great musicians, who are innovative...
00:52:53.000So whether it's Duke Ellington or whatever, the great ones, who make original music, a lot of them are self-taught and a lot of them played a lot of instruments until they started to focus on that one instrument that spoke to them.
00:53:05.000And he uses all these different examples of how generalizing and doing a lot of different things informs It essentially informs your ability to become really good at one thing when you finally decide to do that.
00:53:20.000That's a really kind of cool book because a lot of parents are specializing.
00:53:23.000A lot of parents are like, you're going to play baseball?
00:54:02.000But a lot of parents, like a lot of, he was talking about tiger moms, they'll say, you have a choice, but you're playing the violin and you're playing the piano and you're not playing any other instrument.
00:55:08.000Because you're raised by an older lady or an older man, your headmaster, they're in a position of authority and as you're coming to...
00:55:16.000Well, as you're coming to and you're formulating your point of view of the world and making sense of the world, you tend to sexualize whatever's in front of you.
00:56:56.000But he goes, he goes, but you know, when she looks at me, you know, when she's, you know, she sees me, I come like this, you know, I'm young.
00:57:37.000Well, apparently there's a psychology where a lot of men will overfeed their wives and get them super fat so that they don't step out on them.
00:57:54.000You know that Carl Jung, is it the Carl Jung fucking line that says, that which we don't work out in our subconscious, we will act out as fate in our lives.
00:59:23.000And if you have to die, if you have to take risks and die, leave a good looking corpse.
00:59:27.000It's the idea of turning your life into a fucking circus.
00:59:30.000Do you think the meek will inherit the earth?
00:59:33.000Do you think if that was a prophecy that they would be talking about technologists, they would be talking about like the people that run Twitter and Google and Facebook and the internet tech people, which is… If you think about the amount of money that Facebook has,
00:59:49.000the amount of money that YouTube has, these enormously influential tech companies, even Amazon, right?
01:00:30.000You know, are rather slim in number in comparison to the large portion of the population that has, say, $500 in the bank.
01:00:37.000Well, what's great about the United States, what's always worked about the United States, the reason we don't have the French Revolution in this country, It's because the American dream is about potential.
01:02:05.000But, I mean, how do they interpret that?
01:02:08.000I think it's in the same vein as it's harder for a camel to pass through an eye of a needle than a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.
01:02:15.000So, you know, that famous story where Christ said, if you want to follow me to the rich guy, he said, Give up all your money and the rich guy turned, hung his head and walked away and he said, poor guy, it's so hard for the rich to give up their life of privilege.
01:02:34.000Historically, I think there was probably a rabbi named Jesus of Nazareth.
01:02:38.000That seems to be the conclusion among a lot of historians.
01:02:42.000And he was a radical man, because he simplified Judaism.
01:02:47.000He was simplifying Judaism to say, look...
01:02:51.000You know, you could follow the book of Leviticus and all the rituals it takes to become a good Jew, which is, there's a certain way to quarter a calf, and there's a certain way, certain things you can't eat, and you have to bathe, and you have to do all these rituals.
01:03:38.000I think, I think that's a beautiful thing.
01:03:41.000I think we all benefit from that religious and that Judeo-Christian idea, whether we know it or not.
01:03:48.000And if you want to replace that, my only issue with atheists Is if you want to try to replace that irrational idea, that irrational idea that we're all the same moral worth, because you can't prove it, mathematically or biologically, but what are you going to replace that with?
01:05:06.000I know you love them, but listen, we need this money for over here.
01:05:09.000You're in a hospital, you're taking money.
01:05:11.000The very old, the very infirm… So you think we need religion to keep you from taking people off life support?
01:05:16.000Well, I will say that I think religion, and specifically the Judeo-Christian ethic, and I include Islam in that… And by the way, I mean, Buddhism talks about the sacredness of a sentient being.
01:05:29.000These religions are there because, and I think we benefit from it.
01:06:07.000There's something very irrational and very religious about the idea that all men are created equal.
01:06:12.000That we hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal, right?
01:06:15.000And Yuval Harari talks about this brilliantly in his book, which is that You cannot prove mathematically or biologically that the idea that all men are created equal...
01:08:41.000Look, Elon Musk is a good example of that.
01:08:43.000How many fucking things can that guy do at once?
01:08:46.000But at the same time, what I'm saying is that you can't quantify a human being because you don't know what their potential is and you don't know where they're strong.
01:10:02.000If he does it, what I'm saying is, you take a guy who has the kind of Discipline and work ethic that an athlete does at the highest level of the game.
01:10:45.000People see Joey and they see that he smokes a lot of weed and he's crazy and they assume that he just gets up there and just rants and raves.
01:11:21.000But I'm saying that, you know, again, you know, depression is a very real thing.
01:11:25.000But I always say to kind of younger people who seem like they're in a rut, that's why I'm a huge believer in just take the steps of getting better at one type of language.
01:13:03.000There's a price you pay for, as a capitalist, as somebody who believes in the free market, there's a price you pay for praying to the god of consumption and progress.
01:13:48.000There is this idea that where the left, a lot of the left says, look man, this capitalism stuff that seems to be creating isolation and depression, like how is it going?
01:13:57.000Is there a conversation to be had about how we figure out, how we structure our lives where our community takes more of a precedence, where job security takes more of a precedence, all these things.
01:14:09.000The minute I start hearing socialism, I start to freak out, but I'm just saying.
01:14:15.000Socialism in general sounds like a terrible idea because a lot of people are lazy and because it de-incentivizes people from action and there's a certain thing that people should have motivation to succeed.
01:14:25.000They should have some drive and they get some satisfaction out of achieving goals and those are all things that I would not want to deny any young person from.
01:14:32.000I think those are really important things for happiness and one of the things that they've studied when they've studied happiness in people People that are goal-oriented and they set goals and achieve those goals, it's one of the best markers for happiness.
01:14:45.000And it doesn't necessarily mean money.
01:14:49.000The problem is we like to think of it as money.
01:14:53.000But in athletics, in art, without finance attached to it at all, when people set out to do something and then do it, they achieve a sense of self-worth and happiness.
01:15:41.000And sometimes people, they'll change their diet.
01:15:44.000And one of the things that Rhonda Patrick was, she posted something, I think it was on her Twitter account, how inflammation led to impulsive decision-making, led to cheating on your diet, led to poor decisions in terms of overall lifestyle,
01:16:01.000just from having higher levels of inflammation.
01:16:04.000So eating shitty food, not getting enough sleep, drinking, all those things lead Isn't that amazing?
01:16:30.000Yeah, I pull back with all this stuff and I always think to myself, like, I think what you and I are after, like, the reason I'm happy and the reason I feel so fulfilled is I'm able to express myself fully.
01:16:47.000Like, I told you the other day, like, certain developments in my life, like, I was like, I... I want radical honesty in the sense that I don't have to lie about anything.
01:19:55.000The rollercoaster ride, like a lot of people, they do the cocaine, and then they have the crash, the dopamine level smash, and then they only feel good if they're doing cocaine again, because their body's so fucked up.
01:20:05.000That's why you lose your house, like in three years.
01:20:07.000A buddy of mine had that, and our other friend worked in a rehab center and was trying to explain it to us, what was wrong.
01:21:02.000You know, I was in the sauna yesterday and I've been in the sauna lately at higher temperatures because Gabrielle Reese She was on the podcast and she was saying her husband, you know, Laird Hamilton, that badass surfer dude, he cranks his sauna up to 225 degrees.
01:21:17.000And when people like, he's like, who's been fucking up my sauna?
01:21:21.000Like it's lower than 225. I'm like, Jesus Christ, she's telling me this.
01:21:50.000But what would I do if that was, like, that feeling of hot, if it didn't kill you, That feeling of 200 degrees out, would you be willing to live through that?
01:21:59.000Like, how much would it sadden your life?
01:23:44.000When I watch The Walking Dead, which I don't anymore, but when I used to watch it all the time before they just annoyed me to the point where I couldn't take it anymore, I was always like, I don't want to do this.
01:26:06.000But what we were talking about yesterday was that we most likely have seen the end of these wars of conquest where people are trying to take over new territories.
01:26:15.000This territory is no longer a commodity.
01:26:17.000Now it's services, it's ideas, it's technologies, it's Land in that sense.
01:26:23.000Yeah, but I mean the concept was that we're moving in a better direction and that things are becoming less and less at least overtly aggressive.
01:26:31.000More people are able to see what's really going on, too.
01:26:34.000Yeah, and more people can communicate.
01:26:35.000I mean, this is really the only generation ever, like these last two or three generations, where you're able to easily translate anything that anyone's saying in any other country.
01:26:46.000Like, how often do you go, like, I'll read, like, Khabib Nurmagomedov's Instagram page, and it's in Russian, you know, and I'll translate it, and so I can read what he's saying.
01:26:55.000And I do that with a lot of his other fighters, too.
01:28:17.000Well, but it's not just that they're run by a gangster, yes, but I think that sometimes the way a populist thinks about certain things can inform their destiny,
01:28:35.000If you were always invaded, and you had a flat topography, and tanks could roll in, German tanks, whatever it is, and you paid such a price for that.
01:28:44.000Again, I told you, when I went there in 1985, you didn't see any old men.
01:29:01.000And I think that when you've been traumatized to the extent that Rush has been traumatized, certain strengths, the ability to stand up against aggression and to be brave and powerful, that becomes the commodity.
01:29:19.000That's the guy that gets all the money, all the women, all the whatever.
01:29:24.000And I think that's a product of their history.
01:32:50.000Because we have protections for the people on the fringes, our creatives, our weirdos, our fashionistas, all the people that make our culture interesting.
01:33:02.000Stephen Jobs, he wasn't good at CrossFit.
01:33:05.000No, he's good at yelling at employees.
01:33:06.000Yeah, either was Mohandas K. Gandhi and Martin Luther King, but at least there was due recourse.
01:33:12.000At least we know that there are softer strengths that have to be protected.
01:33:17.000It makes you more interesting, and it makes you more creative and stronger.
01:33:37.000Yeah, so what you do is when you do that with people who are creative and you marginalize a group of people because they're different in the name of purity or whatever, you're fucked.
01:33:45.000Didn't they make some really weird public statement about homosexuality, like the law in Russia?
01:34:00.000It's hard to just live and make a living.
01:34:03.000So what happens is all those creative people who could be contributing and coming up with beautiful ideas, they're marginalized as perverts, deviants.
01:34:29.000The gay propaganda law and the anti-gay law, the bill that was unanimously approved by the state Duma on 11th of June, 2013. Holy shit, man.
01:34:40.000So you want to protect children from exposure to, you know, home activity.
01:34:54.000So with those kind of laws, those kind of laws that marginalize anybody that's not normal, quote-unquote, that's not traditional, prototypical male-female, awesome.
01:35:05.000When was the last time you bought, and I'll wait, when was the last time you bought one Russian product, please, besides the fact that they're essentially a one-crop economy, which is oil, and I guess some other commodities?
01:35:14.000What happens is you kill all your creativity.
01:35:17.000What happens is you are not a strong country.
01:36:23.000You present an idea, the idea I just presented, which is the idea that you might want to protect the people that you consider to be queers, deviants, and weirdos, nerds, or whatever they are, because those people a lot of times are your creatives.
01:36:55.000And I think that a lot of times when you've been traumatized, you're dealing still with the residue and the trauma of World War I and World War II. And that's very real.
01:37:05.000And also, by the way, communism and having nothing.
01:37:10.000And, you know, they have strong communities.
01:37:12.000I mean, my friend went to Russia and said everybody was nice to him.
01:40:23.000In 2013, Kraft reneged and offered some backstory about the incident, alleging that the Bush administration had pressured him at the time to let go of the ring.
01:40:33.000It would really be in the best interest of U.S.-Soviet relations if you meant to give the ring as a present, Kraft recalls the White House saying.
01:40:55.000What are you, Russian propaganda agent?
01:40:57.000There was a pause at the other end of the line, and the White House voice repeated, It would really be in the best interest if you meant to give the ring as a present.