On this episode of Thick & Thin, I sit down with conservative provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos to talk about his new book, "I Am a Nazi: How I Became a Nazi in the 21st Century" and how he became a Nazi. We also talk about why people think Milo is a Nazi and why he thinks it's okay to be a Nazi even if you don't agree with what he's saying. I also discuss how the media and the establishment are trying to delegitimize conservative ideas and ideas and push them down the throats of people who are on the fringe. And I give my thoughts on the double standard that society is trying to create between conservative and liberal thought and how this is a symptom of a deep-rooted problem that needs to be addressed. I also give my opinion on the idea that the left has a monopoly on the microphone and the right wing has no idea what they're doing and how they should be doing it and how to deal with it. And of course, I answer the question, is he a communist or a communist? I'll tell you what I think of it and why it's a good question. Enjoy & Retweet this one! Tweet me if you agree or disagree with it! Timestamps: 1:30 - Is Milo a Nazi? 4:00 - Why do people think he's a Nazi or not? 8:15 - Why does he think it's OK to be racist? 9:00: What's the difference between a communist and a socialist? 11:10 - What does it matter? 13: Is he a Marxist? 15:00 16: What are you a communist ? 17:20 - What's your definition of a communist?? 18:40 - Who's a communist 19:30 21:40 22:00 | What does he do with it? 27:30 | What is a socialist ? 26:10 | How do you need a monopoly? 29:40 | Are you a socialist or a leftist? 31:30 What's a Marxist ? 32: What do you think of me? 33:00? 35:30 Do you need to be part of the left wing? 36:10 37:30 Does he have a monopoly over the microphone? 39:00 Do you agree with me or do I need to go to a doctor?
00:01:06.000But if you wanted to keep Donald Trump in office, the way the people that oppose Donald Trump are behaving is the perfect way to keep him in office.
00:01:15.000If you tell high schoolers, if you smoke, your parents are going to get upset and the teachers are going to get upset.
00:01:21.000That's the biggest cigarette commercial, right?
00:01:24.000So you tell these kids, hey, if you go to these websites and read these books...
00:01:30.000Then your parents and the establishment and the teachers are all going to be afraid of you.
00:01:41.000And the de-platforming thing is fascinating because the way this stuff works, folks, is – When people get deplatformed, the first people that'll get deplatformed are people that you agree with getting deplatformed.
00:01:54.000People like, you know, like a real Nazi, like someone who's an avowed white supremacist.
00:02:00.000You're like, yeah, deplatformed that guy.
00:02:03.000Because then it's like, this guy's a suspected Nazi, or this guy is friends with a Nazi, or this guy had a Nazi on his show, or this guy had a white supremacist on his show, this guy had a guy who thinks it's okay to be white on his show.
00:02:16.000And then as it gets more and more progressive, it gets more and more preposterous, but it really is grades.
00:02:22.000Once you accept one grade, then you drop below in a little bit more preposterous, and then that's acceptable, and then a little bit more, and then that becomes acceptable.
00:02:31.000And it's a double standard between people who are orthodox and people who are unorthodox.
00:04:40.000They have different styles of behavior and thinking.
00:04:43.000This is why, like, if you had a station that played hip-hop, and all of a sudden you just got a bunch of Aerosmith songs playing, you'd be like, what the fuck is this?
00:04:59.000That's sort of how a lot of people seem to be approaching conservative versus progressive thinking.
00:05:06.000Once you have this mindset, you don't want to hear other opinions as if they're going to influence you or you don't like the way they sound, you don't like what they're doing, and you want to get them off the channel.
00:05:18.000And this is what it seems like is happening with social media platforms.
00:05:22.000These social media platforms are like, we're a country station.
00:05:35.000Well, if they had said that we're a progressive network, we play conservative, that would be honest and fair.
00:05:39.000But the claim is, no, we are banning people who are doing X, Y, and Z. Yeah, and you know, for people that are like, oh my god, they're talking about this again.
00:05:46.000Fuckers, listen, this is really important shit.
00:05:56.000Now we have this unbelievable ability to communicate.
00:05:58.000And I'm enjoying it right now, talking to you, right?
00:06:01.000We're all enjoying it if you're tweeting about this or writing comments about this.
00:06:04.000But if this really branches off until one side gets to do it and one side doesn't, we're going to have a fucking tremendous problem in this country.
00:06:14.000If you think that this problem that we have right now, when it's just starting to be an issue over the last couple years, if you think that this could escalate into a serious conflict, it's absolutely reasonable to think that violence could come out of this.
00:06:31.000Well, the Trump presidency was the escalation.
00:06:32.000Before Trump, it was, okay, fake news was this left idea that, like, these news sites are putting out lies.
00:06:39.000If your point of view is different to mine, it's not just wrong, it's illegitimate.
00:06:42.000And a lot of people were in that voting booth and said, you want illegitimacy?
00:06:46.000Okay, I'm voting for Donald Trump for president.
00:06:50.000For people to say that these ideas are evil and shouldn't be discussed, those are separate concepts.
00:06:56.000Because even if you think they're evil, if from your point of view it's in the White House, are you going to pretend this isn't the most powerful man in the world?
00:07:03.000But one of the things progressivism offers many people is this idea of truth and certainty, knowing you're one of the good guys, knowing you're in the majority.
00:07:11.000And when you find that that is not always true, I think that causes some cognitive stress.
00:07:16.000Yeah, no, I would absolutely agree with that.
00:08:44.000And he's been discussing the idea that these people need to abide by the First Amendment.
00:08:51.000And then there's your argument, well, either they're a private company, they can put on whatever they want, and they can decide whatever they want, or they're protected by the First Amendment.
00:11:17.000The way we engineer software systems, search engines, operating systems for cell phones, they should engineer society.
00:11:28.000We should really be looking at it in terms of...
00:11:31.000The potential for prosperity, opportunity, all these different things that we don't cover.
00:11:36.000We just sort of leave so much up to chance because we buy the bullshit that, like, I mean, I think we all know at this point that not everyone's on an even playing field.
00:11:53.000If you don't think that being born in a crime-ridden neighborhood with violence all around you and being exposed to that at an early age fucks your head up.
00:12:44.000The logic is someone had to work as a slave in Foxconn to make these fucking iPhones for like 15 cents a week or whatever they make over there.
00:12:52.000But if that slave wasn't making 15 cents a week, that slave would be dead.
00:13:00.000When they go to third world countries and set up these sweatshops, and I knew someone who had one, and they were doing fucking mental gymnastics to try to justify, and I was like, wait a minute, how much do you pay these people?
00:13:11.000And they were like, they were going to starve to death if it wasn't for us.
00:13:13.000I'm like, are you sure they were there, right?
00:13:55.000But they're beating down their doors to work in these locations because they're providing for their family and they're still wealthier than the alternative.
00:14:02.000Now, this is a very extreme situation.
00:14:05.000This isn't like, I don't know, Third World, what country your friend has a sweatshop in.
00:14:08.000But there are circumstances where a lot of people on the left and on the right don't understand often that politics and economics is about often you have two bad choices.
00:16:10.000See, when you can just go on these long, unchecked Rants.
00:16:15.000That's where you get, like, flat earth believers.
00:16:18.000That's what that shit's from, because they watch those videos, and they go, oh, this makes sense.
00:16:22.000But this is why it's so important that unorthodox voices don't get deplatformed.
00:16:25.000Because even if that person is putting forth things that are completely full of shit, their criticism and their perspective, they might have some truth in it.
00:16:34.000And at the very least, like when I was at Charlottesville and I talked to these people...
00:16:37.000By talking to them, it makes me think through, why do I believe what I believe?
00:16:44.000And I'm going to be challenged on my views, and I'm going to have a better grounding for them, as opposed to, like you're saying, if I'm sitting here just giving a monologue, and no one ever calls me out on my bullshit.
00:16:52.000Yeah, I think, I see what you're saying, and I think what they think is you have to silence these bad voices, like the anti-vax movement.
00:18:13.000So it's very – I would think – But the problem is who's right and who's wrong.
00:18:16.000Like if you're a person and you have a child and you're terrified, can you go to these websites and you're like, oh my god, I don't want my kid to get – We're good to go.
00:18:42.000Very knowledgeable about vaccines and very knowledgeable about diseases in general.
00:18:47.000He was describing what they think the causes of autism are, how it takes place in the womb, and how what's most likely happening is just expressing itself at the same time that the kid's getting vaccinated.
00:19:01.000And you're correlating the two things together.
00:19:04.000Well, there's also the movement of not regarding autism as a problem or a coda, you know, children of deaf adults.
00:19:10.000You know, you have these parents whose kids are deaf and they refuse to get them cochlear implants to give them the ability to hear because they think that's losing deaf culture.
00:19:24.000When you think about it for a few seconds, you can understand where they're coming from because you want to be like, well, you're saying I'm bad because I'm deaf.
00:19:31.000But then you hear people that are trans-disabled.
00:19:41.000Oh yeah, see these things, this is what I'm saying, like they're all, I'm lumping them all together because what they are is all of them are these weird variables when it comes to human behavior and thinking and patterns and biology.
00:19:54.000All these weird variables where you get so many numbers.
00:19:57.000And if you have all these people, 300 whatever million we have in this country, you're gonna have a few thousand of almost every fucking variable.
00:21:28.000You get the vaccine, then you get the magnet.
00:21:30.000You know, it sounds stupid, but they use magnetic therapy for veterans that have PTSD and CTE because there's areas of the brain that they can actually stimulate with these very powerful magnets.
00:27:02.000It was two of the most potent ones they missed.
00:27:05.000Salvia divinorum and 5-methoxy-DMT. And that's why they're always changing it, because if it's slightly different, then you could say something.
00:28:11.000But they would outlaw one little chemical, and then those guys would figure out, okay, tweak it and make it TH379. Okay, and now next week is 380, and they just would keep doing it every single week, literally.
00:28:22.000And by the way, that's the same shit that they did with steroids.
00:28:25.000With, like, the Clear, when Barry Bonds and all those guys, that Ballco scandal, that's what all that stuff was about.
00:28:31.000Oh, they just change the, like, the points after drugs.
00:28:33.000Lose some stuff around a little, and then it doesn't show up in the test, because it's not the thing you're looking for.
00:28:38.000The way it's been explained to me is a lot of tests for things are very specific.
00:28:42.000So when they're testing for something, and it's just a little bit off, it's like, you test negative for it, but it has a similar result or approximate result in a different way.
00:28:59.000Gas stations, any store that had bath salts, if they think they had them, your windows are being broken, your doors are being broken, you're not going to have that stuff tomorrow.
00:29:23.000What you're seeing when you see people that are completely fucked up and picking the skin off their face and they weigh five pounds and they're falling apart, that is worst case scenario.
00:29:34.000There's some people that I would call functional meth heads.
00:29:38.000And what these people are people that are on amphetamines every day, or almost every day.
00:29:43.000They're constantly on amphetamines, and some of them get prescribed by doctors.
00:31:03.000What's happening with the Nazis or what?
00:31:05.000The big one I get, I interviewed a Nazi for the book and I said to him, I go, look, what am I supposed to do when your people come at me and say, the only reason you care about North Korea and its concentration camps is because they're anti-Israel?
00:31:20.000And he goes, what do you want me to tell you?
00:31:35.000People that are really into nutty conspiracies, there's a network of connections that they follow.
00:31:40.000And then if you're not talking about it, what they think is the most important issue, you're clearly being dishonest because it's the most important issue.
00:32:02.000Essentially, Google has pulled the plug on Huawei today.
00:32:07.000Meaning they're no longer allowing Android updates on Huawei phones, and they're not allowing the Google app to work on Huawei phones, or excuse me, the Gmail app to work on Huawei phones.
00:32:20.000If you had an old Huawei phone with the Gmail app, you're fine.
00:32:23.000But going forward, no Huawei phones will be allowed to have Gmail anymore.
00:32:32.000Marcus Brownlee, who Marcus has been on the show before, and he's probably one of my favorite, if not my favorite, tech reviewer on YouTube.
00:32:55.000But then when I talk to people that are experts in foreign policy and they explain the way China works and China's relationship between the government and industry, how they're inexorably connected and every business works for the government, they were saying, no, there's a reason why they're doing this.
00:33:10.000These guys are playing this real long game and to aid them in any way is extraordinarily bad for our country.
00:33:19.000Yeah, I had Marion Smith from the Museum of Communism on my show.
00:33:22.000And since my focus in North Korea, I wasn't that much focused on China.
00:33:25.000And we all think in the West that China's gotten so much better than it was, which is true.
00:33:30.000But he goes, it's still really, really, really bad.
00:33:33.000And one of the big, I think, fair criticisms of the corporate press is how much they're focused on Putin and Russia.
00:33:39.000And it's like, you're calling him a dictator.
00:34:22.000They're trying to implement a social credit system based on your loyalty to the government, which will allow things like leaving the country and all sorts of other opportunities.
00:35:25.000And the other thing is, yes, they are a private company.
00:35:27.000It's funny how the left is like, as soon as you criticize Twitter, they're a private company, they can do what they want, but any other private company, whatever.
00:35:36.000And we're perfectly appropriate in a free market to say, what you're doing is screwed up, and give us answers, or we're going to use another company.
00:35:44.000I think when I talked to Jack about this, one of the things that he was saying is that they're considering an open Twitter.
00:35:49.000Like, they're going to have Twitter where it's like a safe neighborhood, and Twitter where it's like the Wild West.
00:37:52.000I think you're correct, and I think this idea that it's behavior unfitting for a president, that's what we're thinking, that a president is a special person, a special job, and they'll act accordingly like a gentleman, and they're human beings.
00:40:45.000If he's a reasonable person and he really works well with others and doesn't abuse that power...
00:40:51.000One thing he has done, though, is, I mean, it's going to sound ridiculous, but when he has Kim Kardashian bring in cases of people that were unjustly prosecuted or unjustly imprisoned, and he releases them, I like that.
00:41:06.000I like that she does it, and I like that he does it.
00:43:01.000Deep insecurity and fear that you experience personally, and you want to turn it on other people.
00:43:06.000The same feeling that people have when they're bullies.
00:43:08.000The reason why someone's a bully is almost always because they're not confident of their own abilities, so they want to somehow or another, by being cruel to someone else, they exercise this power on someone else, and it's somehow or another Relieves them of a certain portion of this inadequacy that they feel,
00:43:27.000It's one of the reasons why a lot of people are saying that bullies, contrary to what would be a logical thing, you should teach them how to fight.
00:44:44.000The circles I was swimming in started going into developing into the scene as it was happening that culminated in like the Trump presidency in Charlottesville.
00:44:56.000This kind of the anarchist circles, what they call race realism, the racist, you know, the alt-right.
00:45:03.000And seeing a lot of it happening, this being discussed in the press and people not knowing what they're talking about, I'm like, alright, someone's got to write this book who's been there and understands it.
00:45:42.000And it's what their points of view are.
00:45:46.000And if you're going to engage with this kind of thinking, which is somewhat prevalent on the fringes, you have to at least understand where they're coming from.
00:47:18.000I think one of the things that goes wrong is when no one's talking to you and you're just talking to each other, you're going to start doubling down because there's no one hitting the brakes.
00:47:39.000You start seeing that with people, and they start embracing really weird fringe ideas.
00:47:43.000They become a part of these fringe groups, and they get praised by these fringe groups, and then they elevate to virtue signal for that fringe group.
00:47:50.000And so you could be either an average person in the mass, or you could be a leader in the fringe.
00:49:13.000It's not just money- Okay, but hold, hold, please.
00:49:15.000If you throw the money into a pool, but you didn't even let me explain.
00:49:18.000If you throw the money into the pool, and obviously taxes get taken from you, it's different in that regard.
00:49:24.000But if you have a certain amount of money, a certain amount of money is going to go to protecting the people.
00:49:29.000And this is the idea of police force, and this is the idea of a bouncer.
00:49:32.000Or at least a bouncer is more likely acting in the interest of the club, and trying to keep out bad people, and trying to keep people from getting sued.
00:49:40.000But the money for the drinks goes to that.
00:49:47.000But the big difference is one is voluntary and one is forceful and one is a monopoly and one isn't.
00:49:55.000So if you had a free system, you would have more security because the streets would have someone doing security and the bar.
00:50:03.000And the store, and they would be complimentary to each other as opposed to you only have to dial 911. Look how many dating sites there are, right?
00:50:11.000Wouldn't it be great if instead of one number, you had dozens of places that are going to offer you security?
00:50:17.000So like private businesses that work like Uber, you give them a call when you're getting raped?
00:52:17.000Hire people that have gone through some experience in actual combat, who know how to handle pressure better, and then make it a very, very valuable job and make it a very strict codes of conduct and behavior and action.
00:52:35.000I think another problem that police have in their defense is when you have public streets.
00:52:41.000People have certain rights, and they can act everywhere.
00:52:43.000Like here in LA, you have all these people with these tents.
00:52:45.000And my understanding is the government said you can't clear out those tents.
00:54:37.000It's like everybody's just like, ah, you're the president's son.
00:54:40.000But it's weird for me, given that that was my beat, that I'm like one step away from being able to influence policy on that issue, which is the most important thing to me.
00:55:31.000So I haven't been following it that closely.
00:55:34.000I saw Justin Amash just tweeted out that – he had this whole tweet storm that he thinks Trump should be impeached based on – Who is that?
00:55:41.000Justin Amash is a congressman from Michigan.
01:01:55.000But the thing that's happening with memes is like, if someone sends you something, like there's a bunch of things that, like Eddie Bravo sends me hilarious ones all the time.
01:02:05.000He'll send me a funny meme, and then I'll send it to Brendan Shaw.
01:02:12.000Brendan doesn't think that I made it myself, so it's not like I'm stealing a joke, but I'm definitely not crediting the original creator, because I don't know who the fuck it is.
01:02:27.000The person in bad faith curates a website and then starts profiting off of it.
01:02:32.000They find a loophole, and then they make deals with Comedy Central.
01:02:35.000And they also have people who actually steal stand-up's bits and turn those bits into memes, and they put those bits on their meme pages, and they do the same shit.
01:03:43.000Have you tried to make a lot of money off of Campbell's soup cans?
01:03:46.000I think corporations had more power back then and less accountability because now with social media everyone would lose their minds on Campbell's.
01:08:26.000Because that's one of the big arguments that to fight a rapist, if you're actually in that situation, pee on yourself, that'll turn her away.
01:08:31.000And it's like you shouldn't give people advice.
01:08:33.000It's like, listen, if she's actually getting assaulted, what should she do in that horrible circumstance?
01:08:37.000And then it's like pee on yourself to show your support for victim sexual assault.
01:08:41.000Wasn't there a senator somewhere that actually said that if it's a legitimate rape...
01:08:49.000Todd Akin was running for Senate in Missouri, and he's pro-life, and they asked him a very common question for pro-life people, what about if it's rape?
01:08:57.000And he goes, well, that's very rare, and he goes, but my understanding is, if a woman is assaulted, the body has a way of shutting it down.
01:09:05.000Now, there's a book called Sperm Wars, and apparently, again, crazy scientists don't get mad at me.
01:11:09.000But my big answer is you guys reported WMDs.
01:11:13.000For a long time, and hundreds of thousands of people got killed because of this misinformation.
01:11:17.000So if that's going to be your standard, you're going to have to deplatform the New York Times as well.
01:11:21.000So it's a very double-edged sword when you start talking about if people give misinformation, they have to be banned from these social media sites.
01:11:29.000You need someone to be able to check the orthodox point of view, no matter what it is.
01:15:20.000There's a great book by Arthur Herman called The Idea of Decline in Western History.
01:15:24.000And he talks about, you know, every 20 years, it's a different group, on the left, on the right, and they're like, the world's going to end.
01:15:30.000And he brings the receipts, and it never ends up happening.
01:15:33.000Because people are smart, some, and we have a huge asymmetry in wanting to stay alive.
01:15:39.000So I, the idea that the last of what apocalypse, what probably the Black Plague, I would say, would be the last apocalypse, we've been doing so good so far.
01:15:46.000Do you know about the people that got the black plague because they were eating a marmot liver?
01:17:36.000And the more I talk to people like Graham Hancock, who would describe the overwhelming evidence that something pretty severe happened to the human race around 12,800 years ago.
01:18:40.000Also, because when you don't have power, if you don't have the power to affect the comet, as I personally don't, knowing it's coming, theoretically, what can I do about it?
01:19:03.000You know, we have this – I mean, there's more – The internet, you can find people who are making amazing things, more opportunities than you can count.
01:19:10.000And if you're just going to sit there and mope, I mean, you're blowing this great gift that God's given you.
01:19:16.000Yeah, well, I think a lot of those people that are moping, that are concentrating entirely on the negative aspects of life, they're doing themselves a giant disservice.
01:22:42.000If you're listening to this, ladies and gentlemen, and you have a sensitive heart, and you can't handle really fucked up premises in a really fucked up episode...
01:22:58.000It's one of those ones where I'm not giving away anything, but at the end, when you're done with that show, you feel like you need a fucking shower.
01:24:38.000That's, again, we're talking about things that are just fucked up about human beings.
01:24:43.000When you look at the spectrum of behavior, bug chasers are people who tried to get HIV. Right, because they thought it was the ultimate symbol of being gay.
01:24:52.000Well, I'm sure there's a bunch of reasons.
01:26:29.000You know, I found, when I was doing research for the book, the National Review, who's my favorite paleontology journal, in the late 90s, as the gay rights movement was coming up into mainstream consciousness, they wrote an article comparing the struggle for gay rights to a struggle for necrophilia.
01:26:45.000They're like, what would be the difference?
01:26:47.000And they talked about how, right now, In the European Union, perverts are fighting for the right to be violent toward each other in bed in various ways.
01:27:12.000One of the things that disturbs me greatly today is there is a movement, and I don't know how big it is, but it's a movement for people to try to recognize pedophiles as a sexual distinction, a sexual designation, rather than a sick disease.
01:27:29.000Similar to being trans or being gay, that some people are just born pedophiles.
01:27:35.000Well, I think what's important there is it's not just a crime because a crime can be fixed and treated.
01:27:42.000So I think it is important to understand these people will always psychologically be pedophiles.
01:27:49.000And you're not going to get them to be like straight homeowners.
01:27:54.000There's no therapy that's ever been shown that...
01:27:57.000I think it's like trying to make someone who's gay straight.
01:29:23.000It's a very, very, very slippery slope.
01:29:27.000Well, if you're trying to say, or if they're trying to say, that this is something that people are born with, I don't think there's evidence that people just are born that way.
01:29:35.000I think there's evidence that people become that way from sexual abuse.
01:30:37.000That the human mind can be imprinted and you're abused when you're younger, that you go on to do that same thing that was horrifically done to you, that that is a common thing.
01:30:51.000That happens with children that get abused.
01:31:29.000It wasn't 18, but it wasn't 12. I think – He was a teenager, but he was young.
01:31:33.000If it was somebody else, people would be talking about heteronormativity, right?
01:31:36.000And it's historically not that weird for an older gay dude to get with a younger gay guy, especially when everyone was closeted, to kind of initiate them into the lifestyle.
01:31:44.000But it's Milo, now it's, oh my god, you want pedophilia, blah blah blah.
01:31:47.000It's like, there's different standards for gay people than for straight people.
01:31:50.000And that's appropriate and acceptable.
01:31:52.000And people understand that in other contexts.
01:31:55.000Well, the problem is society, as the way we understand human beings and the way a person's brain works, when you're young, you shouldn't be allowed to make those decisions because sexually, in particular, you could get coerced,
01:33:58.000Like, people do get emotionally attached to romantic stories that they see in movies, and they want their life to play out like this fictional narrative.
01:34:08.000And the left uses this a lot, because they'll have all these leftist ideas in culture, in movies, and that's where a lot of people get their programming.
01:34:16.000And then it's like, you know, for example, here's an idea you don't see in culture, that people very often knowingly and consciously do the wrong thing.
01:34:46.000And someone's getting chewed out, and they're getting bullied for whatever reason, and you're sitting there and you're keeping your mouth shut, you're not Hitler.
01:34:54.000But you know you're doing the wrong thing.
01:34:55.000But you're trying to protect your job, right?
01:34:57.000You want the boss to come down on you.
01:34:59.000But a lot of times you have that space and you still won't do it.
01:35:02.000And that's knowingly doing the wrong thing.
01:35:05.000And I'm not saying you should be throwing the garbage, but I'm saying people do that all the time, these little sacrifices they make with their conscience.
01:35:28.000I was on vacation once and there was this guy who was a boss and he was there with his employee and his employee's family and he was mean to his employee's daughter.
01:37:25.000My job is to get off the phone as fast as possible because they're problem solved.
01:37:29.000So what they were saying was, while you were doing this other job and waiting for something to come up, we want to keep you working with a specifically different job.
01:38:14.000And they go, oh, we're having you in on Thursday during the day, Thanksgiving Day.
01:38:19.000And I'd promised my, and I worked second shift, so they wanted me four to midnight, then there at nine.
01:38:23.000And I said, no, I promised my grandma I'd have Thanksgiving dinner, lunch with her.
01:38:28.000I could have called my grandma to reschedule.
01:38:30.000I didn't want to be that guy, because I knew this was one of those, you know, things that, like, this is a fork road, crossroads in your life.
01:38:36.000And they go, we'll find someone else to cover your shift.
01:38:39.000And I asked, everyone else had plans, and they go, well, we need you midnight, you know, the next day for lunch.
01:44:35.000Do you know what's really, though, what's fascinating, though, because with the rise of MMA... Yeah, I just saw like the WWE at Mass Square Garden.
01:44:41.000We know what the dynamics of fighting looks like, right?
01:44:44.000But the wrestlers, it's still the same motions.
01:44:48.000It's like, we know that if you hit someone here, how they actually react, because we've seen it thousands of times for real.
01:44:54.000But you guys are still like, if someone punches you in the neck, you're not going to be passed out on the floor.
01:44:59.000It was also like some wrestlers got upset because I was explaining that a figure four leg lock doesn't work.
01:45:04.000Not only does it not work, but you're setting yourself up for heel hook.
01:47:28.000And you're slamming down the elbow, it's definitely got more force.
01:47:32.000But when you're getting on top of someone, and you're smashing with elbows, which you can do in MMA, you can generate incredible amounts of force.
01:47:39.000If you ever watch a guy work out on a heavy bag, where the heavy bag's on the ground, they work the ground and pound, just boom, boom!
01:47:45.000I mean, you think about that being your fucking head, it's great.
01:47:48.000And if you're 200 pounds, 250, jumping off a rope on an elbow at a small point, I would think that would...
01:50:21.000But the idea is that you could just, without worry of consequences, you could palm strike someone in the face like really hard and never break your hand.
01:50:29.000A regular person throwing a punch, you have a real good chance of breaking your hand.
01:50:47.000There was an organization, an MMA organization back in the early days called Pancrase.
01:50:52.000I think they might be still around, but they have modified rules.
01:50:54.000But at Pancrase, back in the day, they wore wrestling shoes with shin pads, and they wore little tiny speedos, and they would smack each other with their hands.
01:51:03.000So they would kick and punch and do submission techniques.
01:51:54.000He was Hickson Gracie's last opponent when Hickson was fighting MMA. But Funaki, I think, started out in Pank Race and Boss Root and KO'd him.
01:52:04.000And the way he KO'd him was like a punch, but he was doing it with his palms and just smashing people.
01:55:41.000The fact that a person could get to look like that, that is insane.
01:55:45.000There's guys that look like that at my gym.
01:55:47.000Fuck you all at Harvard Fitness who are listening to this show in the locker room while my scrawny ass is right there and you don't even notice me.
01:55:55.000You wonder what it's like walking around looking like that.
01:55:58.000Well, you could find out if you took all those same steroids.
01:56:01.000Yeah, but they're also like six, you know.
01:58:17.000And that's the real big misconception, I guess, from those movies.
01:58:20.000The same rom-coms will tell you that the guy who's like a big guy is a bully, and sometimes he is, but most of the people who are like serious about fitness, they want other people to be like, come on, this will be great for you.
01:58:32.000Yeah, I think most people's experience with bullies is really high school stuff, right?
01:58:36.000It's like jocks in high school, and a lot of them are just, as we were saying, insecure.
01:58:40.000And a lot of them are also probably, it's probably their experience at home from their dad.
01:58:45.000And I think that's changed a lot, because thanks to the internet now, I think the jocks...
01:59:36.000But I think it's also, one of the things I love about the internet is that if you're doing your thing now, people respect someone else who's doing their own weird thing.
02:01:53.000That was a joke that I used to have about how they're the only animal that I could point to that's a wild animal that doesn't seem to have any problem with domestication.
02:02:44.000I've gotten very, very interested in elephants, you know, in terms of like their social structure and what they're like and learning about how intelligent they are and how long their memory is.
02:02:54.000And I don't want to have anything to do with elephant leather.
02:03:18.000Pigs are real sweet, and when you domesticate them, like, people have domesticated pigs that, as long as they're well-fed, they behave a lot like dogs.
02:03:26.000The only difference being, of course, if you fall in the pig pen, they will fucking eat you.
02:05:02.000And I think it's important for people to have – this is one of the best things about that whole kind of paleo whole foods situation of know what – if you're going to act in a certain way towards your food, know what you're doing and be happy to draw that line about, okay, what are you comfortable with and defend your decision.
02:05:46.000You know, that he talked about this as a peaceful thing and that he has these animals that he loves and cares for and you see pictures of him like touching them and holding them and then later they're packaged up as meat.
02:06:42.000That's such a British thing, and it's always in these old storybooks you'd read, but now I don't think sheep become adult unless they're for their hair.
02:08:59.000The results like those for other products tested for the popular pesticides aren't pretty.
02:09:05.000We can hardly find a clean pea protein source anywhere.
02:09:08.000Jesus Christ, it's all got glyphosate.
02:09:11.000But I still don't know what glyphosate does to me.
02:09:14.000Okay, glyphosate, this is the idea, okay?
02:09:16.000And please Google this because the argument was glyphosate is great because it just kills the weeds and bacteria and it doesn't kill people.
02:16:53.000This is, listen, if there are two billion dollar rulings, you can bet your sweet ass that there's people that are swarming on this subject.
02:17:02.000What would be a better source of information?
02:17:23.000Weed whacking herbicide proves deadly to human cells.
02:17:26.000Used in gardens, farms, and parks around the world, the weed killer Roundup contains an ingredient that can suffocate human cells in a laboratory.
02:17:53.000Well, first of all, intellectually, he says it's really alleviated a lot of his autoimmune issues that he thinks were slowing him down and wearing him out and making him tired, and he has more energy.
02:18:39.000It seems that particularly people with autoimmune disorders, they achieve, at least anecdotally, some really positive results.
02:18:47.000Jordan Peterson has gone as far as to take, I think he took three blood tests when he had one year in for insurance purposes and much of the things.
02:18:57.000Because, you know, obviously you're going to insure a guy who's 55 years old just eats steak all the time.
02:19:03.000Like, oh my god, this guy's going to die.
02:19:31.000And that's one of the reasons why when you're on what they call an elimination diet...
02:19:36.000One of the cool things, you eliminate basically everything that might be fucking with you except the one thing that you can consume easily, and this is one of the things they're calling the carnivore diet, an elimination diet.
02:19:48.000When you do, you wind up eating less food, which is one of the reasons why these people just eat steak and wind up losing weight.
02:20:24.000And when you're in ketosis, man, you really do have energy throughout the day because your body's not craving carbohydrates, so you don't have this up and down blood sugar crash.
02:20:33.000The thing about the carnivore diet is it's not even ketogenic, really.
02:20:37.000I mean, you're in ketosis sometimes, but you're not eating that much fat.
02:20:40.000You're just eating a lot of meat and a lot of it with fat, some of it without fat.
02:20:44.000I thought ketosis is when you have no carbs.
02:20:49.000Because when your body eats a lot of steak and you don't have any carbohydrates, your body does something called glucogenesis, where it'll convert steak into glucose.
02:20:59.000So it'll actually convert protein into glucose.
02:21:18.000You'd be kind of amazed and actually can fuck with some people's gains if they don't think they're getting enough protein because they're getting a lot of fat and a smaller amount of protein, like less grams of protein.
02:21:28.000It might not be ideal in terms of physical performance for athletes, they think.
02:21:33.000But when you do do that and you just eat steak, your body says, alright, this asshole doesn't want to eat apples.
02:21:40.000You know, we have to figure out how to get our carbs.
02:30:03.000Yeah, so it's – what happens is when you have this fundamentalist faith, you start with the conclusion and you reason your way backward.
02:30:11.000And if you're contradicting my conclusion, you're not only wrong, you're a liar and a sinner and have to be driven from the face of the earth.
02:30:17.000Well, that's why I would ordinarily defer to them.
02:30:21.000I'm like, wow, this must be pretty serious if Google is looking to take Gmail off of the new Huawei phones and not update the operating system.
02:30:29.000But then I go, well, no, that's not necessarily – What's going on at all?
02:30:55.000Even though it does, logically, and the rest, that was really interesting, too, to see outside of the bubble, where the rest of the world, the people who actually read his memo and looked at it were like, okay, what is wrong with what he's saying?
02:31:08.000He's not saying anything bad about women.
02:31:11.000In fact, he had a page and a half talking about strategies to get women more interested in tech.
02:31:17.000He was just relaying the information as it stands in terms of the studies that have been done that show what women tend to gravitate towards, what men tend to gravitate towards.
02:32:06.000The left used to be science-driven and they were the logical ones.
02:32:10.000The left has, this is one of the big myths, and I talk about this in the book.
02:32:14.000They have, from Woodrow Wilson on, have this evangelical fundamentalist faith, a segment of the left.
02:32:20.000There's many people on the left who are very science-driven, who are like, look, these are the facts, let's work it out.
02:32:24.000But there's a big segment of them, which are very prevalent, where they're basically like jihadis.
02:32:30.000And you have this on the right as well, where it's just like, these are my conclusions, and we're going to force everyone to fit said conclusions.
02:32:37.000So, you think that even, like, when you go back to, what was that fucking, there was the terrorist organization that Obama's professor was involved in.
02:33:31.000People always think that no matter what's happening now, with regard to these neo-Nazi types and the alt-right, oh, this is the worst time ever.
02:33:40.000The Klan used to be a major part of both political parties.
02:35:47.000If you tell someone who is pro-choice, who would otherwise be amenable to your point of view, well, you just want to murder kids, it's like, well, I don't, so there's nothing to talk anymore.
02:35:56.000Did you see that state representative that was walking around in front of an abortion clinic and was trying to get the names of these kids that were there?
02:36:28.000He's big and aggressive and he's getting in people's faces with the camera and then he's putting them online and he's getting a lot of attention and fame for it.
02:37:13.000And the other thing I'll defend Jack in this regard, what we were talking about earlier, I'm sure the pressure he gets internally is off the charts.
02:38:19.000If everything was stagnant like it was in 1950, we would think, if you watch 1950s films or read books about the 1950s, the behavior that people got away with was way different than it is today.
02:40:18.000All you have to do is every now and then I'm going to call you up and I'm going to say, Dave, You know what would be interesting?
02:40:23.000It would be interesting if David Duke endorsed this asshole.
02:40:26.000And then David Duke just starts talking about this person being a fine American and a white nationalist and all these different – just make up a bunch of quotes and have David Duke put it up there.
02:40:36.000A lot of people when – You never shake that off.
02:40:39.000A lot of people think he's – like not him specifically.
02:42:10.000Because, by the way, they've shown that certain elements and plants in the laboratory environment will destroy cells.
02:42:18.000Even like phytonutrients and there was something, one of the head guys for the carnivore diet, Sean Baker, posted on his Twitter a while back showing that you can make a lot of weird arguments based on cells,
02:42:42.000The only way, in my view, and I'm not an expert on this, is discourse and having a platform where people can argue at each other.
02:42:49.000And you could stand by and watch and see things.
02:42:52.000Otherwise, if you're silencing, it's very, as we talked before, and I think any right-minded person would agree, it's a very, very slippery slope.
02:45:14.000And she's 16. If Ben Shapiro did a speech at the Microsoft Center, I don't know how many tickets he sells if he does speeches, but it's a hard sell.
02:46:24.000Some of the stuff you say actually makes me laugh when he does live ones as opposed to he's very rational and somber when he's doing straight conversation ones.
02:46:34.000You know this as a performer and same with me.
02:46:35.000If you're in front of that audience and the laugh is out of proportion because there's so many of them and you just have that one liner, it makes you want to be more on and it's beating its tail and it's really, really exciting.
02:46:45.000It's also like a nod to the crowd that you know that they're there and you're trying to entertain them.
02:47:38.000And this is the danger of the whole Twitter, Facebook stuff.
02:47:41.000People are desperate and excited to hear new ideas, thought-provoking people, even if you disagree, right?
02:47:49.000Two of my favorite people, like, a lot of times if you hear them talk, even if you don't care what they're saying or disagree with them, the energy, and it's like, this is fascinating, it's thought-provoking for me, it's just, nothing's better.
02:48:00.000I think there's something really cool about people coming out to see these really interesting discussions, too.
02:48:26.000And they actually wound up agreeing on quite a few things.
02:48:30.000It's really an interesting discussion, but it's also interesting that Marxism is such an attractive subject that they're willing to host this giant event and pay to see people debate this topic.
02:50:37.000And the way he describes things, it's like he's entertaining as well as factual, as well as just a compelling, charismatic person while he's talking about these things.
02:51:41.000Like, when I was in my 20s, like, I wasn't, like, researching subjects.
02:51:45.000I've read a few books here and there, but I wasn't researching things on every single aspect of the world the way the access to this information is just so radically different that you just have a thing in your pocket that answers your questions.
02:52:00.000What else is fascinating is Google and other organizations have digitized entire libraries.
02:52:05.000So many of these books that are old are public domain.
02:52:07.000And for free, you can read this book from 1910 where these ideas got started.
02:52:12.000And instead of hearing someone's interpretation of it now, you can see where this idea developed and how they looked at the world back then.
02:52:49.000Well, I... Change the world in a better way.
02:52:51.000No, you should take advantage of the fact that you changed the world in a better way to profit in some insane, spectacular way where you generate billions and billions of dollars.
02:53:02.000The thing we don't know is how they are generating that profit.
02:53:34.000You watch interviews and they're like, that shit was fucked up.
02:53:37.000And when you look back and you realize you had a part to play in this unnecessary war, and if you're someone who cares about human beings as a Christian or whatever, that will fuck you up for life.
02:53:47.000Because it's like, I had a little part in this.
02:53:49.000Like when I do my work with North Korea, right?
02:53:51.000If I help 10 people, that's a huge fucking deal.
02:54:08.000Conversely, if you're on the side of Hillary Clinton, and you realize that your website might be contributing to her demise, and you realize that other countries might be posting fake accounts That are,
02:54:25.000you know, they have these groups, these discussion groups, and they're based in Russia, and they want to talk about Black Lives Matter, or they want to talk about abortion, or they want to talk about Southern separatism, or all kinds of, you know, that IRA research group in Russia.
02:54:40.000And you find out this is all happening on your platform, and that your platform is likely being used to manipulate how the world is run, how financial markets are run.
02:57:13.000And any filter by its nature, any coder will tell you, is going to be imperfect, and it's going to weed out people it doesn't want to weed out, and leave people that you don't want to leave in.
02:57:22.000Like, any filter is only as good as its creator.
02:57:24.000That's what I wanted people to kind of understand.
02:59:08.000You know, imagine if they did, and the kids eventually, all their information did wind up getting online, but when you watched the full video and you saw what actually happened, you're like, God damn!
02:59:21.000You people have really shifted the narrative here.
02:59:23.000Do you think if I posted a picture of myself holding up a bloody Hillary Clinton head that I wouldn't be banned?
02:59:30.000I'm not going to find out, but that's a big deal.
02:59:33.000And I don't even – she was obviously doing it as a joke.