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00:04:27.000And it's so strange where the King This Thing podcast is mostly me saying something pretty average and then Theo just saying the most outlandish thing and me laughing my ass off.
00:06:07.000It's a magical cluster of dark magic from New Orleans.
00:06:10.000Where he'll say something, and I'm like...
00:06:12.000There's certain guys I can watch and I'll go, oh, he's definitely, his IQ might be higher than mine, but I see how he got there with this premise of a joke.
00:06:21.000With Theo, I'm like, I have no idea how he got there.
00:07:38.000Eddie Izzard was telling me that when he was running, he ran like 27 marathons in South Africa, and when he went through certain sections of South Africa, they go, stop, you are not running through this area.
00:07:48.000We're going to put you in a car, we're going to drive you to where it's safe, and then you're going to continue your run.
00:08:31.000See, the reality is they know there's a real problem with carbon in the environment.
00:08:35.000They know that human beings have put carbon in the environment in unprecedented levels, and they know that the earth is heating up rapidly.
00:08:43.000But they don't know what exactly is going to happen.
00:09:18.000Well, there's two schools of thought on that even.
00:09:20.000The schools of thought on people is what happens is as the world gets more and more westernized, as people start developing careers, people have less and less kids.
00:09:30.000And that if you look at Japan and you look at some westernized nations, they actually have a shortage of kids.
00:09:36.000And they think that, and this is purely speculative, right?
00:09:42.000They think that as the world becomes more and more industrialized and westernized and more technology and more advanced, that people will start to have less kids.
00:09:53.000But also, even Americans, they're having kids later, and I think less as well.
00:09:58.000But also, isn't there parts of Australia and Africa where no one's really there, so if we had to, we could colonize that and make it more livable?
00:15:30.000For them it's investment and then they flip them years from now.
00:15:34.000He goes, we want people that drive the cars.
00:15:36.000And now what Ferrari's doing, if you want an Enzo, you want a certain limited run TDF or the Pizza, if you want some of those real limited edition ones, they look at your history because you have to own the past 10 Ferraris.
00:15:47.000Yeah, they have a weird curriculum if you want to get a special limited edition.
00:15:51.000But now they check if you've driven it.
00:15:53.000If you're just a collector, they don't sell them to you anymore.
00:16:04.000To get on the accolation, like on the list.
00:16:07.000So if you want the new, whatever, the super fast, the limited TDF they're going to do, you have to own all the V12s and certain ones before that.
00:16:16.000That is hilarious because that just shows you how goofy people are.
00:16:20.000Like, they know that people are goofy, and they know that all you have to do is, like, sneak in on them some sort of exclusive thing that nobody else can have, so when you roll up on it, you look like a champ.
00:16:35.000Because some, let's say some billionaire, rich billionaire, where his daddy gave him all his money, he can't roll in the front and be like, I'll take that.
00:22:20.000But every now and then, you're going to get into a car with someone who's fucking nuts, and they're going to have some crazy political podcast on, want to talk to you about Hillary Clinton's emails.
00:24:01.000What it is, is people that have been abused, people that have been fucked up, psychopaths, and people that have been through the correction system, through the penal system.
00:25:32.000Even to this day, like I was reading this article in Rolling Stones, how many books and even merch and to buy locks of his hair is 50 grand.
00:25:40.000It's going for 50 grand to buy locks of his hair.
00:26:38.000At least you know she's not going to die, but it's safe.
00:26:41.000Look, there's people out there, I don't have to tell you, that do a fucking terrible job of raising their kids.
00:26:46.000You know, it's one of the reasons why people like you, people like me, people that get into being a parent, that really enjoy it, When you see something like that, it's even more disturbing because you know that when you see a serial killer or someone who's fucked up, that person was a baby that had a terrible life.
00:28:59.000And he goes, the problem is the narrative that got painted outside of that when the media was going crazy and even the Boulder police, he goes, they were so far off and he listed like 10 reasons why it wasn't them.
00:33:46.000The best scene in the whole fucking series, though, was when...
00:33:49.000No, the best scene in the whole fucking series when she was telling that dude that he betrayed her, and then from the darkness, the dragon's face appears.
00:36:13.000And she's got this crazy tight skirt on, this banging body that she's worked hard at in the gym, and she's got a beautiful dress, and she looks great.
00:37:20.000The real problem is homophobic behavior in that, or homophobic thinking, homophobic ideology, thought processes, thinking that gay people are bad, thinking there's anything wrong with being gay.
00:37:33.000If there was no problem with that at all, I mean, I just feel like...
00:37:38.000I feel like it's not the right move to make words the problem.
00:37:43.000The problem is the way people think and behave, and I think ultimately there's a real problem with language itself, because I think language is too limited.
00:37:50.000I think when you have magic words that you can't say, and they have all this extra power connected to them...
00:37:56.000But Lenny Bruce talked about that in the 60s.
00:37:59.000He had a great bit about that, about saying all these words, because you can take away the meaning of them, and it won't hurt anybody's feelings anymore.
00:39:54.000And this is the funniest part is, my boy, shout out to Brian Daly at Showtime, goes, so in between rounds, probably two and three, Jim Gray's going to come and interview you about your Showtime special.
00:40:59.000But I think it's also, that was his legitimate mindset at that time.
00:41:02.000You know, I mean, that guy, if you listen to my podcast when I interviewed him and talked about how he got into boxing because of his daughter...
00:41:20.000You've got to imagine, if he was in a year and a half of boxing and he's entering into the Olympics, he's going to be having matches against guys who have 10 years experience.
00:41:30.000Yeah, and he's got, like, virtually no experience, and he's not, like, the slickest guy in the world either, so he has to be able to take a shot, but he's got two giant advantages.
00:41:53.000But he came in this last fight, the heaviest he's ever been, he came in at 223 and went, that's interesting, because he's usually 214, 213. Dude, look at this.
00:42:02.000That motherfucker, he punches so hard, man.
00:42:05.000He's the scariest heavyweight knockout artist since Mike Tyson.
00:43:17.000He's the scariest fighter of all time.
00:43:18.000In the fucking 12th round, when he cracks Tyson Fury and drops him like that, in the 12th round, he still has this ridiculous power.
00:43:26.000And he's only getting better, but I think what happens is it's more likely, especially looking at the way promoters work, you're going to get Joshua versus Wilder before you get Fury.
00:44:10.000Because the way Wilder hurt him, dropped him, and then knocked him down and almost had him flatlined in the 12th, and if you go over the actual count, the actual 10 count from 1 to 10 from the time he dropped, which is not what Tyson Fury's job is.
00:44:27.000Tyson Fury's job is to get up and the referee says 9, and he did that.
00:51:39.000Like, whatever was wrong with his shoulder recovered.
00:51:41.000But the reality is, if you hurt yourself so bad that you can't move your arm afterwards, coming from someone who's had some shoulder injuries, that to me is like, you got some damage in there.
00:51:53.000Because when he did it, his adrenaline was so high, usually you can go through some shit.
00:51:58.000If you got hurt bad enough where your adrenaline, I mean, you just won a huge fight, you're doing the worm after victory, and you can feel the pain, that's why, oh, fuck, there's probably damage there.
00:52:47.000Well, it's him and the best expression in terms of what I've seen in the octagon is Mighty Mouse, but he just didn't fight the level of competition.
00:55:52.000There's levels, but in MMA, Sage isn't even...
00:55:57.000They shouldn't be sharing the same ring.
00:55:59.000If I'm on championships, though, why would I bring this stud, this American stud who looks like Ryu from Street Fighter, and go, hey, first fight, here's the most world-class striker we got on the roster?
00:56:12.000Well, because they want him to be tested.
00:56:14.000And I think that if I was Chautry, I would be looking at it like this.
00:56:17.000When a guy like Eddie Alvarez gets KO'd, or a guy like Sage Northcutt gets KO'd, or a guy like Mighty Mouse gets tagged and has a real fight on his hands, then you're showing the whole world.
00:56:28.000Like, hey, these guys that are coming over here that are world-class fighters, they're fighting world-class fighters.
00:57:38.000Like, you're going to invest in that now?
00:57:41.000From a business aspect, it doesn't make sense to me.
00:57:43.000I think it does, though, because it shows, with two giant results over the last two months, that one has world-class talent there, and I think it makes people pay more attention to one.
00:59:32.000It's just, if you look at the way boxing has always done it, and it's been often criticized, but there's some real good points to it about developing a fighter.
00:59:39.000You give a guy, a fighter, a difficult fight that you think that he has the advantage in, but it's an advantage that will teach him some things.
00:59:46.000Like, when the guy fights with him, what is this, Jimmy?
01:00:35.000It's so interesting, man, when you see levels upon levels upon levels, and you don't necessarily know that these levels even exist unless you're balls deep in the fucking sport.
01:00:46.000You see a guy like Nicky, first of all, Nicky's one of the best body punchers in kickboxing.
01:01:11.000The fact that Cosmo Alexander went toe-to-toe with Nicky Holton, I'm probably going to pass on my young, 22-year-old, wide-eyed youngster fighting him.
01:01:20.000Nicky Holton had an amazing career and glory, too.
01:06:31.000And so he passed away, and then it was like he was like, I'll just stay here and put together this kind of ragtag group, and we'll figure it out.
01:06:39.000The UFC now is at such a high level to compete with the guys he's competing with.
01:07:06.000And before that, he was beating guys in pretty spectacular fashion, right?
01:07:11.000Robert Foles' death had a tremendous impact on him as a fighter, as a person.
01:07:16.000And then he fought some really great fighters, too, on top of that, you know?
01:07:19.000And Al Iaquinta, man, I mean, from the jump of that fight, from the get-go, when he hit him with that spinning backfist, he let him know, like, this is, you're in a dogfight, man.
01:07:26.000Also, that Tony Ferguson fight was a dogfight.
01:08:55.000But anyway, there's a defining moment in a fighter's career when they realize they need to make changes.
01:09:04.000They're not doing things the way they should be doing them, and they need to make some changes.
01:09:07.000But I think one of the reasons why you care and I care, especially with Kevin, if it was somebody else, some other guys, I won't mention names, but with Kevin, I go, well, no, he can be champ.
01:09:16.000He just has to change a few things, and you're going to see this kid as champion.
01:09:19.000The other guy's like, ah, just keep doing what you're doing.
01:12:13.00015, 20 minutes a week, I'll have a glass of wine, I'll put my feet up, I'll kick back, and then that little voice in the back of my head is like, are you doing everything you can do?
01:13:22.000But there are people like that out there, right?
01:13:24.000I've heard Steve Harvey talk about money, like how much money he wants to make per year, and someone was making fun of it.
01:13:29.000And I was thinking, well, he's in this vibe where he's trying to get stuff and make money, and you gotta make money to get stuff, and you get sort of in this game of accumulating more and bigger and better things.
01:13:42.000For me, the most important thing is the stuff that I put out if people like it.
01:13:48.000If I do a UFC and I suck, if I stumble through something or I make a bad call, that shit will fuck me up for days.
01:13:58.000And there's nothing you can do to fix it.
01:15:19.000The only time I ever felt, I guess, somewhat successful, I really don't, but the only time I felt a little successful is when I turned down a big gig on a major network to do TV. I went, no, I'm kind of good, man.
01:15:32.000I'm good doing what I want to do, and I own all this stuff, and I'm not pressed to do it.
01:15:37.000Do you imagine what it would be like if you had a boss?
01:15:38.000Remember the shit that you guys were dealing with at Fox?
01:15:40.000We were telling you to stop cursing on the Fighter and the Kid?
01:15:52.000If you could see an overhead map of all the people on the planet Earth, a light went off every time a dude was listening to the Fighter and the Kid, he'd be like, holy fuck, it would freak you out to see that number.
01:16:01.000And that Fox guy was like, let's clean it up, boys.
01:16:06.000I started arguing with him, and he kind of got my face and went, just like you have your black belt in the octagon, I got my black belt in TV. Oh, God.
01:16:45.000Yeah, when you're telling a podcast the one free medium left on the planet Earth where you can distribute to millions of people and no one can tell you what the fuck to do.
01:16:53.000There's not another thing like it on Earth.
01:16:57.000Maybe websites, but good luck getting people to read.
01:17:01.000It's still the greatest form of content you can get.
01:17:02.000Yeah, and to be able to have that with no producer, no executive, no filter, and to have it available to you while you're doing other stuff, right?
01:17:10.000You could be mowing your lawn right now.
01:17:43.000But even Conan talked about that, how, you know, when he was doing the Conan, I heard him on Howard Stern, and he was doing, he said, I do the Conan show, and, you know, we had a band, and I was going through this interview, but I had to stop it.
01:17:57.000Like, I was in balls deep in this interview, man.
01:17:58.000I had to stop it, because the band's playing, we gotta get to that, or we gotta get to the next bit.
01:18:03.000And he's like, no, just let me go, man.
01:19:43.000I feel like that read would do better than the others.
01:19:45.000Maybe, but it would do better in terms of financial, in terms of clicks, but it probably wouldn't do better in terms of people going there and using the product.
01:20:43.000The biggest argument Cal and I ever got in our fucking 90-year relationship is Burger King came towards us, and I grew up eating Burger King, man.
01:24:11.000And also, with the special, it's different because I didn't want our group, like you guys who vouched for me, or especially Showtime, who was like, let's get a special.
01:25:09.000I think it's going to be cool to look back and go, holy fuck, he was three years in, that's what he did, and then four years from now, see the progression.
01:27:08.000Like, every time I go to do a set, like, I went to the store last night and hanging out in the back with Fitzsimmons and Ian Edwards and Owen Smith, who I'm trying to convince Owen Smith to never write again, because I think he's the fucking...
01:27:18.000Owen Smith, can you bring him up, Jimmy?
01:29:42.000I've been around a lot of fucking stone-cold killers in my life, and I saw that guy, and I was like, oh, okay, sir, I'm gonna just take my little friend and stuff him in the backseat of my fucking Japanese car and peel out of here.
01:37:14.000Because kids in high school, and I can, with a three-year-old son, it's a scary world with social media.
01:37:19.000I'm sure with your daughters you can understand is people, suicide, especially in teenage girls, has never been higher because they're putting so much, so much ways on their social media.
01:37:29.000So how many followers, how many likes they get.
01:37:31.000So if you get rid of that, it might help.
01:37:32.000Well, you know, they're reaching the same kind of people that we're talking about.
01:37:37.000We're talking about haters, but they're reaching it like local, like they're friends.
01:37:41.000And people from school, they're shitting on each other, being mean to each other, and they don't understand what that does to a person yet.
01:37:46.000They don't have compassion the way a grown adult has, where they understand, they have perspective, they understand what kind of emotional influence it's going to have on a person when you shit on them like that.
01:38:45.000I've had family members that would do that.
01:38:47.000They would just press buttons just to fuck with you, and I... But even on social media, it's like people can press buttons if you let them know that that button gets to you, right?
01:39:42.000If Kevin Durant, who's worth $600 million, the best basketball player on planet Earth, if it affects him, what do you think a 13-year-old girl with body issues is feeling like?
01:40:33.000You know, when girls talk shit about you across the, you know, like you see them across the breezeway, like you're walking to your classroom, they're over there, and they're talking shit about you, like, fuck those bitches.
01:41:50.000That's an opportunity to look at yourself, to reassess, start from scratch.
01:41:55.000Just look at it with fresh, renewed vigor and understanding that the negative consequences of failing or doing poorly or, you know, just not putting enough attention into something you're concentrating on.
01:42:50.000And the reason why I care is because I haven't done a good job.
01:42:53.000So I care more about what I've failed at than the person's opinions.
01:42:58.000You can't be all invested in people's opinions of people you don't know because everyone's words look the same when they're typed out.
01:43:05.000If there was an intelligence quotient, an emotional intelligence, a social intelligence, if you could find out how disturbed somebody was by their text just looking at it, you'd get a better understanding of whether or not you should listen to this person's opinion.
01:43:19.000But when you just look at text, it could be...
01:48:46.000Yeah, I mean, I think guys like you and I, one thing, especially coming from athletics, coming from martial arts, you're more likely to suck it up, and you're more likely to not give in to the negative demons,
01:49:03.000and you're also more likely to exercise regularly.
01:49:06.000So when you see someone who's struggling with something they shouldn't be struggling with, you're like, but you're good.
01:51:27.000You know what's interesting, hanging around you as much as I have, is you're serious, but you and I are more similar than me or Delia or me and Callan.
01:51:37.000Callan and Delia are so silly all the time.
01:54:52.000One of any students had this guy who was a jiu-jitsu guy, and he was fighting in the UFC, and his Muay Thai coach was like, he's Bangkok ready.
01:55:01.000And I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
01:55:04.000As a striker, I was like, No, he's not.
01:57:39.000The other thing about, this is, I really believe, about some camps can have too many killers, and you can get fucked up as you're trying to learn and grow, and you never have enough guys that you can practice on.
01:57:50.000I think A.K.A., because they're so tough, they've injured each other.
02:00:35.000Well, unless they focused on it for as long as those guys did.
02:00:38.000But the thing that holds back Deontay Wilder from people, like all the boxing pundits praising him, is that they think he has awkward technique.
02:01:42.000It was, but then when he comes back and he knocks out Curtis Blades for the second time, which I thought Blades had a way better shot at him the second time.
02:03:55.000I think it's a tougher fight for DC. Like, if Donald Cerrone was taking a year-plus off, and then was going to fight for the title, I'd be like, ooh, I'd like Donald to get a fight in.
02:05:25.000Mighty Mouse right under that with 14, Anderson 13. The difference is with all those guys, you know, I mean, it's all different eras, different divisions.
02:05:34.000I think era means everything because I think what John's doing in the current era is more impressive than what Randy or George or Anderson did.
02:05:41.000Who do you think is a danger to John right now?
02:05:54.000Johnny Walker, but he's so far removed right now, he has to get by maybe three more guys before we start being like, yeah, he might be a threat.
02:07:58.000Think about the most shredded guys in the UFC. Well, I don't mean he should get shredded.
02:08:03.000What I mean is he should make 205 with no problems, where he could go to war for five rounds with a guy like Jon Jones without weakening him.
02:08:51.000Now that I'm thinking about it, I kind of agree with you.
02:08:52.000Especially for DC. It's like, DC, dude, if you beat John at heavyweight and you ride off in the sunset, game, set, match, best of all time to ever do it.
02:09:33.000And for DC, it's like, even after the John loss, he went on to fucking heavyweight to knock out Stipe, who some can argue it's the best UFC heavyweight of all time.
02:09:43.000He went on to beat Derrick Lewis, who's so dangerous.
02:09:45.000And let's say he beat Stipe for a second time.
02:09:49.000You know what I was really impressed with?
02:09:51.000I was really impressed with the way Chuck handled that loss.
02:09:53.000Did you see the way Chuck talked about it on Instagram?
02:09:56.000He just basically said, hey man, you put yourself out there, you go out there, you set goals, you try, and if you fail, it doesn't mean you quit.
02:10:05.000You get back on your horse and you fucking get right back to it.
02:10:38.000Biggest, like, was like the first big, big star in our sport to transcend and go on to entourage and have commercials and doing those fucking automotive commercials.
02:11:25.000Because at the end of the day, the commissions can go, alright, physically, yeah, man, he passed the fucking physical, so we gotta let him fight.
02:11:32.000But at the end of the day, if they don't have a resource or a job from the head man, if Dana calls BJ... Or Chuck, just like he did with Chuck.
02:11:40.000He's like, I'm not giving you a venue to fight at.
02:12:55.000And now they might go on to other organizations, but it's not the UFC. So they can go on there and compete, but you're not going to tarnish your legacy at the highest level here in the UFC. Not under my watch.
02:14:37.000But I guess, again, the commission, they have a tough job because physically, we can't see into his brain, but physically he's passing all the tests.
02:14:46.000Whose job is it to tell Bernard Hopkins not to take that last fight when he got knocked out of the fucking ring?
02:14:51.000Whose job is it to tell Roy Jones, don't go to Russia and get knocked out?
02:16:09.000And I think with BJ, if he would have found, and I don't know BJ well enough, but if he would have found a passion like I did with stand-up or podcasting or something else, he probably would have been out and never come back.
02:17:16.000But yeah, with a guy like BJ Penn, the reality is there should probably be a number of fights that you lose in the UFC where you could just get cut.
02:17:29.000No, but man, when you've lost two, which I did, that third one, Joe Silva would tell your manager, and he told my manager Lex McMahon, he goes, you know, with this one, you know, It's probably over.
02:21:08.000But I'm like, I've been shouting from the rooftops of my podcast saying the exact same thing.
02:21:13.000It's hard, and I told Showtime this, it's hard to sell these fights because no one cares unless it's the ones we want to see, which is what makes the UFC so great.
02:21:23.000You know you're going to get one versus the champ.
02:21:25.000You know you're going to get the number two guy versus the champ.
02:21:27.000The best are fighting the best night in, night out.
02:21:31.000Yeah, so they got mad at Jim Gray for telling the truth?
02:23:50.000I think whatever Ortiz has got left in his body, he's going to come at him.
02:23:54.000And Deontay Wilder knows that this guy can fucking box.
02:23:57.000The difference, I think, is with Wilder, you're dealing with a guy who is getting better with every fight because he's literally learning on the job as one of the most successful heavyweight champions of all time.
02:24:07.000Because he's only been fighting since he was 20. He's getting better and better and better.
02:24:10.000For Luis Ortiz, Luis Ortiz is like maintaining right now.
02:26:32.000And it's uplifted with fucking monster truck.
02:26:34.000Raptors are preposterous cars because they give someone the ability to drive like a real off-road vehicle with 500 plus horsepower and just get it from a factory.
02:30:21.000Dude, the craziest thing that's happening right now in the Everglades is the pythons.
02:30:25.000They said that there's been a 90 plus percent decrease in the amount of rabbits, possums, raccoons, deer, like all the major mammals that live in the Florida Everglades are gone.