1313 is a mystical number in Tibetan Buddhism, and it's considered a lucky number in the eyes of some people, but it's also considered unlucky by some people in the West. And what's crazier is at some point, someone convinced a person, listen, can we just not do a 13th floor? And they listened to him, and they listened back to him. And they decided to just go from 12 to 14. And that's a good thing, because we're in the 14th floor, and we're 14, and that's good, too. We talk about that and a lot more in this episode, including: Why 1313 doubles the normal number of 13s, and why it's a very auspicious number How to deal with it What would you do if you woke up one day to find that you were 13 years old, and you didn't know you were in the 13th or 14th? Is it possible to be an atheist, a Christian, a Buddhist, a Hindu, or a Buddhist or something in between? Can you run the country if you don't believe in something you're not sure what you're really believe in? And what does it have to do with religion? Do you really have to be a Christian or a Hindu or Buddhist? What does it matter if you're an atheist or Buddhist or a Christian and you just don't know what you believe in it? If you're stuck in a religion, do you have to live by the tenets of your religion or don't have to believe in God or something else, then you're in a better version of God, then maybe you should be a better chance of being a better life or something better than you're lucky, right? We'll talk about it in Episode 1313, shall we all be okay with that? Thank you for listening to this episode! XOXO, EJ, Ej and Ej, Elesa, Elyssa, and EJ is your host of the podcast EJ and Eleri, and I hope you like it. EJ's of course, you'll like it and you'll listen to it and leave us a review on Apple Podcasts and share it with your friends and family and tell us what you think of it on your thoughts on it on the next episode of the pod! and we'll send you a review!
00:00:27.000Well, we got two 13s back to back, so it doubles the normal potency of 13, which is already a mystical number, which terrifies people in the West.
00:00:40.000They think it's unlucky, but in Tibetan Buddhism, it's considered a very lucky and auspicious number.
00:00:46.000Yeah, I was staying in a hotel in Vegas.
00:00:47.000They have no 13th floor, and I don't think they had a fourth floor either.
00:01:53.000So we went to India, to Dharamsala, and we taught the monks English.
00:01:58.000And I was sitting, listening, overhearing a monk in a conversation with someone teaching him English, and the person's trying to explain to him how there isn't a 13th floor in buildings in the West.
00:02:21.000Well, in a culture that forces its citizens, if they want to run the country, you have to believe in something that, whether you're a Christian or whether you're a Baptist or Mormon,
00:02:38.000whatever you are, There's certain parts of your religion that if you just want to analyze them, just want to put them out on paper, I'm going to say, okay, did this really happen?
00:02:50.000Did this guy really die and come back to life?
00:03:30.000This thing that you are when you're young.
00:03:32.000You know this thing you are when you're young where you're looking at the people that are older than you?
00:03:37.000You're looking at society and you're like 16 and you're just starting to think, God damn, I'm going to be graduating from high school soon.
00:04:21.000And we're still trapped by this thing where you have to pretend you absolutely know.
00:04:27.000Look, live your life like Jesus is real.
00:04:29.000Live your life like you want to follow those tenets and you'll probably live a better life.
00:04:36.000If you really follow the actual true tenets of Christianity...
00:04:40.000But if you really want to believe that a guy came back to life, and that it only happened once, and that you have to follow this book, and if you don't follow this book that was clearly written and rewritten and fucked with by people, and you know that people are known liars.
00:05:07.000And in that world of known liars, we believe a crazy story that was written when people had no science, but we accept it because we think it makes the world a better place.
00:05:20.000And there's like so many levels of that where it's like, yeah, that's one obvious level that if you want to take Jesus literally, which is you have to in certain forms of Christianity, you're going to have to deal with some pretty severe cognitive dissonance.
00:05:35.000You'll be taught maybe to question your instincts, but then go one step deeper.
00:05:41.000And start thinking – because the real question is, well, what is real?
00:05:44.000Like, I mean, there's obvious shit that's clearly bullshit.
00:05:47.000But wait, then when you start going down, you realize, like, you get to the point of the self.
00:05:53.000And then you start realizing that the self and this Jesus that everyone believes in are very similar in the sense that – Like, you know, I don't say, I believe in gravity.
00:06:03.000You would think I was crazy if I said it.
00:06:05.000It would be a crazy thing to say, like, you know, I believe there's gravity.
00:07:49.000She was like, the problem is like growing up in that fundamentalist background, it makes me very susceptible to like healers and like psychics and clairvoyance and bullshit are spiritual people.
00:08:00.000She's like, I get sucked in to bullshit.
00:08:03.000And she was like almost kind of upset.
00:08:09.000How do you rewire yourself when you've been trained to believe that a 14-year-old boy in 1820 found golden tablets that contained the lost work of Jesus, and that all the Native Americans were the lost tribe of Israel?
00:09:39.000But if your Uber driver said that to you, It wouldn't get through, because it wasn't like phosphorescent, it didn't have multiple heads.
00:09:47.000So, similarly, with these religions, what happens is you do get some real transcendent wisdom that's sort of timeless, mixed in with it, and then the people, because they realize like, oh my god, it was kind of a fairy tale, they also reject the good stuff inside of it.
00:10:03.000And that, to me, is the big tragedy of any kind of The fundamentalist, literalist interpretation that's being forced on people is because within that is inevitably something great or it wouldn't be so viral.
00:10:16.000Like, Christianity wouldn't be here right now if there wasn't a core thread in it that had a beautiful message in it.
00:10:24.000I actually had a really big conversation this weekend with a very good friend about it, about another very good friend who's very religious.
00:10:31.000And we were saying, like, I think for some people it's an amazing framework and a guide to live your life.
00:11:13.000And then there's the deeper symbolic shit that seems to be encoded in Christianity, whether from people projecting their own understanding on a pretty wild symbol set, or maybe it was intentional.
00:11:26.000Either way, there's like a cool, like, you know, the, uh, if we talked about this, like, If you take a cube and unfold it, it makes a crucifix.
00:11:36.000And, like, the cube represents pre-Big Bang conditions.
00:13:26.000So Christianity, it's on one level, are you fucking kidding me?
00:13:30.000It's like, this nerdy part of me, man, when you're doing the Jesus is a zombie thing, I really wanted to be like, well, technically, not a zombie.
00:13:48.000And what the zombie is, is when you're in mission control and you're trying to get an underhook, you push your hand through like a zombie rising through the ground.
00:15:25.000You know, man, all this gut biome stuff that we're hearing now, like the study, I just read about the study today, like they found out that what the gut biome, what you're feeding your baby affects, there seems to be a correlation between their gut biome and the way they act when they're like five or something,
00:15:53.000Jamie, would you mind pulling that up?
00:15:55.000There's a guy named Dr. Peter Hotez, and he was on the podcast, and he is an expert in autism and vaccines and diseases in foreign countries, particularly tropical diseases and warm, moist climate diseases.
00:16:10.000And he was talking about how they've got it narrowed down to five environmental factors that happen during the womb that they think possibly contribute to autism.
00:16:21.000But they don't think that it comes from something that happens later.
00:16:27.000This is current science, according to him.
00:16:29.000Obviously, I don't know what I'm talking about, like, for sure.
00:16:56.000And neurodevelopmental disorders in offspring.
00:16:59.000Well, it would make sense that if your body's not getting the proper nutrition and your body's not healthy, that whatever's going on inside of you is not going to be the best environment for a baby to reach 100% health.
00:17:32.000The weird part of it, to me, this runs into like ideas of free will or like autonomy in the sense that how much is the gut and the neurons in the gut and the neurons in the heart and all the interactions they're having with things that have different DNA than us affecting what we do.
00:20:07.000How long before you're looking at like a zip-popping video?
00:20:10.000And then that takes you down into a place of like, oh, let's just move to animal cysts.
00:20:14.000And then you fall asleep, you wake up screaming.
00:20:17.000And that's the equivalent of getting like gas, isn't it?
00:20:20.000From eating like a huge Taco Bell meal.
00:20:23.000And instead of farting, you're just screaming in the middle of the night because you dreamed a cult was dragging you into the forest.
00:20:29.000It's like, this is, to me, we seem to have not quite acknowledged that data is like a food, and that so much of the weirdness that people are showing these strange behaviors, it's got to be because of the crazy shit they're sucking into their optic nerves,
00:21:16.000One thing that I've done over the last week, we did a podcast with Bert and Tom and Ari, and we all looked at the amount of screen time we put on our phone, because Ari was proposing no smartphones.
00:21:52.000Look, man, I don't want to try to, like, enable your addiction, but honestly, I think the internet has come to depend on your wild animal attack videos.
00:22:01.000Like, you have kind of become, like, a news outlet for the best wild animal attacks.
00:22:07.000people need to see this shit man like we don't know i've never seen a vulture fight a rabbit or out of people do have a very weird idea of what animals are and i think that the average person i'm certainly no expert but amongst the average person i have a much better understanding of wildlife because i'm out in the wild several times a year hunting it's a different world it's a different world i'm no expert but my perception of it Is as someone who sees wildlife
00:24:02.000It doesn't mean you hate it, but you gotta understand what the fuck it is.
00:24:05.000It's not like this idea that people don't want people to hunt bears in certain places, particularly like they're trying to regulate the size of the amount of grizzly bears in certain parts of the country.
00:24:19.000They're like, hey, we need to keep a handle on this.
00:26:43.000I've been feeling a kind of enjoyable from time to time sense of, you know that, I don't know if you let yourself do this, you probably don't, but that feeling of like kind of bullshit, like, I'm a little better now, right?
00:26:57.000Yeah, I'm a little better of a person.
00:26:58.000And I was really like, I wasn't like overt, it wasn't like hyper obnoxious, you know, but just the kind of sense of like, I did it.
00:27:05.000I cut down my beef consumption and I'm eating, you know, I'm eating, you know, a cheese here and there and Anyway, this video popped up, and it's some guest, I don't know who it was, talking about the number of animals that die in a bean field.
00:27:20.000Like any bean field that you see, so many animals just ground up and murdered.
00:27:26.000And it was great, because I realized, like, oh, of course, yeah, right.
00:27:31.000The trick I was trying to play on myself is the 13th floor shit.
00:27:50.000If you get a plot of land and get some friends together, you could all grow enough vegetables so you don't have to take place with large-scale agriculture.
00:27:59.000Or if you're dealing, rather, with large-scale agriculture.
00:28:51.000You know, you get to like a life-form ethical boundary where you can't relate to a roach.
00:28:57.000Also, the hilarious thing when it comes to assigning levels of sentience and then based on that, deciding if you should eat something or not, you run into like a lot of weird problems, which is like, number one, you're assuming...
00:29:34.000And like how they'll send nutrients to their children.
00:29:37.000And then you start running into, I think, which is a really fascinating problem, which is what if it's all alive and sentient and feeling for real?
00:29:49.000Throughout the entire universe, just a sentient field of consciousness that is interacting with matter in a way that it produces what we call life, and that life is feeling terror, love, maybe in different ways than we would understand it,
00:31:41.000Like, how far away is the guy when the dog starts going towards the door?
00:31:45.000Or does the guy just come home every night and the dog has, like, an internal clock, and he knows, hey, it's five o'clock, Mike must be coming home.
00:32:27.000Occam's the simplest, but it's also the most boring.
00:32:30.000Like, you know, these crazy fucking UFOs.
00:32:33.000I'm sorry if you've talked about this a bunch on the podcast, but the UFOs that we're seeing, that the, you know, Navy is releasing these videos of these Tic Tacs zipping around.
00:34:19.000I felt bad for them because they didn't understand what had happened to them.
00:34:24.000They had gotten caught in this weird loop of looking for secrets and looking for mysteries to be solved and looking for hidden conspiracies and they get caught in that.
00:34:37.000And some of that shit is real, which is part of the problem.
00:35:47.000The radar team didn't believe what they were seeing, chalking up the anomalies to an equipment malfunction, but after they determined that everything was operating as it should, they began detecting instances which the AAVs dropped with astounding speed to lower busier airspace.
00:36:06.000They approached the Princeton's commander about taking action.
00:36:58.000It's probably a part of a billion dollar study.
00:37:01.000Two fighters were diverted to intercept one of the strange objects.
00:37:05.000When they first arrived on the scene, the pilots didn't see any flying objects, but they did observe what the lead pilot, Commander David Fravor, later referred to as a disturbance in the ocean.
00:37:15.000The water was churning with white waves breaking over what looked like a large object just under the surface.
00:37:24.000Then they noticed one of the objects flying about 50 feet above the water.
00:39:04.000But going into the ocean part, that's the part I like the best because that kind of lines up with hollow earth theory and maybe they're flying down in the center of the earth.
00:39:16.000Of course they have a base in the earth.
00:39:17.000Why wouldn't you have a base in the ocean?
00:40:50.000How much does the US spend on black ops?
00:40:55.000I was going to bring this up in the middle of what you guys were talking.
00:40:58.000There's a program here that was going on.
00:41:02.000The AATIP, Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, was going on.
00:41:08.000Just the AATIP. I'm going to fuck you out of your money, but I'm just going to use the AATIP. $22 million is what their budget was in 2012. That's a lot of money.
00:41:19.000It doesn't still go on, but apparently it does.
00:41:21.000Louis Elizondo says it's still operating, and he is part of To The Stars.
00:41:24.000So they spent $22 million to see if the UFOs were a threat?
00:43:19.000What are these things that are just floating around that you grab out of culture?
00:43:23.000And how do you turn them into something that people go crazy for?
00:43:27.000Because occasionally a guy will take one of those ideas and make Voodoo Child or make someone else's song or make someone else's Or, you know, make a fucking building that's inspiring.
00:43:38.000There's these things that come into your head.
00:45:09.000And then the one right above that is the seventh, and that's what is considered your subconscious in the West.
00:45:16.000So that's where all your memories are.
00:45:19.000That's where all your, like, just all the shit you can't remember that happened to you that's stuck back there that appears in people's ARP or appears in your neurosis or whatever.
00:45:33.000And then above that is the eighth consciousness.
00:47:37.000It's probably a great way to swap organisms to keep them spreading.
00:47:40.000I mean, yeah, it benefits your biome if it wants to pollinate or get out into the world, for sure.
00:47:47.000I was listening to a podcast, the Stephen Rinella podcast, Meat Eater, and there was a guy who was an expert in moving wildlife around, how sometimes they'll move wolves into certain particular areas.
00:47:59.000They had too many moose in this one island.
00:48:04.000But the wolves, there wasn't enough of them, and they were on an island, so they all started fucking each other, and they were fucking their kids, and their DNA just was a mess.
00:48:14.000Yeah, just all sorts of inbreeding, and it was just terrible, which is...
00:48:19.000Also fascinating it's like Nature's like no no no you can't just stand around and fuck each other You gotta get out there like nature even with animals nature's like no no no this is not the game we're playing The game we're playing is not male and female the game we're playing is male that doesn't know female That's the game because you can't fuck your sister and you can't fuck your mom stop if you do it a few times But after a while your kids are just not gonna come out good,
00:52:23.000And he just snatches that poor little guy.
00:52:26.000But somebody had to be there to film that.
00:52:28.000And there was one of them that I watched on the Harpy Eagle, which is a beautiful animal, where this guy who was a photographer, who was one of the scientists who was studying him, got attacked.
00:52:39.000The eagle swooped in and fucking took a swing at him.
00:54:04.000I thought you were right, though, but maybe it's just...
00:54:06.000If I was in Vegas and I had to bet whether or not you looked up the weight of the biggest eagle, I would bet a million dollars that you have definitely looked that up.
00:55:02.000It's this woman who's like, I wish I could remember her name, but she goes up to, I think, Tibet.
00:55:08.000And they took her in and taught her how to hunt, because it's the way they hunt, with birds.
00:55:15.000The whole relationship you have, you sort of have to raise the falcon from a baby, and they're connected to it.
00:55:22.000But it's the most insane thing to witness, because it's such a remote place.
00:55:28.000And it's such a, like, traditional people.
00:55:31.000They don't watch TV. They don't know, you know, they're not, like, absorbed in shit like we are.
00:55:36.000They're just out there hunting with giant birds.
00:55:40.000And, you know, they figured out how to do that.
00:55:43.000You know, that's, to me, all the stuff, like horse, ride, any human-animal relationship...
00:55:50.000When you think back to the first person who saw a falcon and was like, I'm going to catch it, and I'm going to train it to catch rabbits so we can eat.
01:02:46.000I mean, there's so many examples of finding like graves that have spikes hammered in them because people thought that the body was a vampire.
01:03:05.000I think there was a fucking time where people's neocortex hadn't formed enough to separate their subconscious from their conscious so they were like hallucinating more and also they were like they had a kind of they were projecting a lot of crazy shit into the world also imagine when you found out you could lie like the first liars yeah this is like there were people that would have language and then people once they started communicating like hey who fucking ate the tomatoes?
01:03:50.000Because you can't have a lie until you have communication.
01:03:53.000Well, I guess you could say lying is the equivalent of camouflage, in the sense that when you see some of these insane animals, bugs in particular, that look like flowers, that look like...
01:05:04.000It's like, you know, you were talking about, and I've done the exact same thing with screen time when you're presented that humiliating number of hours and you've been telling friends you're busy and you're fucking looking at that just thinking like, dude, I've been like...
01:05:17.000You know, looking at bullshit, but then before you do that, you're like, but it's my job, you know, I've got to kind of be online.
01:05:24.000It's like, no, you're addicted to technology.
01:05:27.000And because you can't stand the fact that you don't have the discipline to stop using it, you would rather make up a story involving some absolutely verifiable bullshit, so that you don't have to deal with the fact that you aren't in full control of yourself.
01:05:44.000And it's a non-rewarding addiction, which is really strange.
01:05:47.000It's like when you're looking at stories on, like, the Apple news feed or something, you're scrolling, looking for something that's going to captivate you.
01:06:16.000Maybe not a purpose in the way you're going to be as a human, but a purpose in the sense of if you apply a little bit of mindfulness when you're using your phone, how do I feel right now?
01:06:37.000There's a quality of like, a kind of like sedated numbness to the hypnotic state you've been lulled into by the algorithms.
01:06:45.000And there's some pleasant kind of like, I guess you could compare it to some like low level euphoric painkiller, but not very euphoric, mostly just a mild numbness that is pretty good at turning off Anxiety.
01:07:02.000Or you could at least displace your own personal anxiety.
01:07:05.000Like, if I'm scanning through my phone, and I find the inevitable bad news, whatever form it's in, I could pretend that my anxiety is related to that news, you know?
01:07:17.000And then that's when you get people who are very anxious, and I've seen it.
01:07:58.000And here's what the problem with that is.
01:07:59.000Sometimes you have, like, these legitimate thoughts.
01:08:01.000And when you have these legitimate thoughts, meaning, like, something you're working on, something you're, like, whether it's an idea you're trying to do on stage or something else, another project that you're doing, these things, they require your bandwidth,
01:08:32.000Really, you're in two rivers at the same time.
01:08:36.000You're in this wacky river of nonsense and wondering who got this and how much they're getting in this divorce and who died in the Dominican Republic.
01:08:48.000If you want to look at all the bad stuff that happens amongst 7 billion people, you have to think of all the interactions that humans have.
01:08:59.000Literally billions of interactions every day.
01:09:03.000People constantly, and occasionally one goes fucking Western!
01:09:07.000One goes sideways, and that's the one you see on YouTube.
01:09:10.000Jesus Christ, this world's going to shit!
01:09:12.000And then you watch another one, and you watch another one, and you watch...
01:09:16.000Infectious diseases and snake bites and what happens when you get necropsy, when your fucking flesh starts falling off.
01:09:39.000And it's like, then that gets inside of you and now you're just a turbulent, you have a turbulent self that has digested a version of the world that's only half true.
01:09:50.000And so because of that, you're going to be half a person because you're not looking into like your own, whatever the fuck you are.
01:10:30.000It keeps you going, keeps you going, keeps you going.
01:10:33.000So to me, something that's fucking astoundingly weird is why the fuck can people not sit still and be quiet for periods exceeding 10 minutes, 20 minutes, 30 minutes,
01:10:48.000literally the least Metabolically, outside of sleeping, right?
01:10:53.000You're not really exerting energy when you're sitting still and being quiet.
01:11:17.000Not that I believe in simulation theory, but if I wanted to prove it or play around with it, the idea that we're non-player characters in some super advanced simulator, one of the ways I would experiment would be like, oh, sit still.
01:12:17.000It's an interior, like, maelstrom of thoughts and unexplored feelings, and then this is just basically shaping their entire existence.
01:12:28.000They're, like, in every single moment recreating a universe of disorder.
01:12:33.000And then getting really upset because if you see disorder in the world and it keeps reappearing, like your friend who's like, why do I get taken in by these people all the time?
01:12:42.000It's like, well, you get taken in by these people all the time because inside of you is a behavior pattern that is replicating this phenomena.
01:12:52.000And you're pretending that it's not in you to the point where it's a mystery.
01:12:57.000It's like, you know, when I drive somewhere, I'm not like, why did my car drive me here?
01:14:08.000Having an addictive personality, man, I like it because it's like it's fun to play around with it, meaning that when I am reaching for the thing, whatever it may be, that I know I shouldn't be doing.
01:14:34.000And you look at like the instant way your mind tries to come up with a bullshit story to write off the fact that you are riding around in a vehicle that you can't control.
01:14:45.000And that is not a very appealing way to be.
01:14:49.000No one wants to hear the pilot say, guys, Taking my hands off the wheel.
01:14:55.000Let's just see what happens for the next 10 minutes up here.
01:14:58.000And yet, their whole lives are like that.
01:15:01.000They've just taken their hands off the wheel, but then they're trying to make sense of it, you know?
01:15:05.000Like, how many times do you meet an alcoholic who hasn't accepted yet they're an alcoholic?
01:15:09.000And they're, like, telling you all these reasons for...
01:15:55.000Especially as a person who's really good at telling stories.
01:15:57.000So I'll fucking wake up in the morning.
01:16:01.000I'll be like, yeah, there's time to go for a jog.
01:16:05.000But, you know, I probably should fill in the fucking blank.
01:16:09.000And it's always very important, you know?
01:16:10.000There's always a real good reason for it.
01:16:13.000But regardless, the truth is, I have yet to achieve the ability to grab that particular part of the steering mechanism of my identity, you know?
01:16:22.000And so rather than just deal with, yeah, you can't control yourself, I'll tell myself a story.
01:17:28.000Like you're out there breathing and running up the hill, and you're pushing yourself, you're tired, and then a thought will come into your head.
01:22:53.000You know, the narrow band that we can live in, we're so fragile as an organism that we should be terrified of this giant nuclear explosion that's a million times bigger than the earth.
01:23:58.000I mean it is, when you think about it, it's like we've built this fragile civilization using this super advanced, brand new, interconnective, technological matrix that is dependent on satellites giving GPS coordinates to keep everything running and we're right next to a ball of fire that has historically,
01:24:21.000from time to time, blasted so much fucking crazy shit at our planet There was a time that it caused like telegram wires to spark.
01:24:30.000It's like if that shit hits the satellites, they're gonna go out.
01:25:18.000It's like nobody wants to accept, like, mountains fall out of the sky, the sun from time to time burps fire so bright that it causes fires to break out on the planet, and then all the other shit we don't know about.
01:25:32.000You know, just the stuff we don't know about.
01:27:08.000Dude, there's a place in Wisconsin where my friend Doug has a farm, Cazenovia, Wisconsin, that's a part of what they call the driftless area.
01:27:16.000And the driftless area is the places where these glaciers didn't come down and crush flat everything in front of them.
01:28:15.000Dude, it's like our entire civilization is living the way like a middle-aged alcoholic who's starting to realize all the trouble they cause lives, but still gonna keep drinking kind of like...
01:28:29.000It's like, if you look at like our whole species...
01:28:32.000as one thing it's like right now we're dealing with like the same thing maybe smokers deal with after a lifetime of smoking like suddenly health effects are starting to happen right we've had like a a nice run but now we're starting to get a little bit of payback for all the decisions past generations have made we've got radiation pouring into the ocean the ice caps are melting and then on top of that The majority of us can't deal with that.
01:29:01.000We either say fake news or we say, I'm going to be dead anyway, man.
01:29:08.000Because to me, the fucking amazing thing about being a human is that we are like a technological hive that has built itself around a planet using the materials of the planet to make technology.
01:29:21.000And we're still at the point of hive life where we're pretending there's different...
01:29:29.000You know, it's just some of us are running weird operating systems and we can't accept the fact that it's like, listen, we're a fucking hive of super-vance primates that are all living together in a hive.
01:29:42.000Because that's the overview effect, man, where astronauts talk about flying over and looking down.
01:30:03.000Because that part of the hive is different than us.
01:30:05.000So that part of the hive wants to hurt us.
01:30:07.000You know, pheromones being released, you know, not by queen bees, but by influencers.
01:30:14.000You know, like the news, the media, blasting out this data pheromone that gets us ready for the wars, gets us ready for the violence, tries to justify it, rationalize it.
01:30:25.000And then there's other weird new, like, little mini queen bees popping up, releasing weird pheromones.
01:30:32.000The influencers, you know, they're like...
01:30:55.000Epiphany as an individual, I mean, we're probably fucked.
01:30:59.000Like, we figured out how to split the atom, and we've got the technology as it's coming in is making the ability – It's like – I'm sorry.
01:31:37.000Yeah, I think you gotta, like, get pragmatic.
01:31:40.000I mean, there's that thing Jean-Paul Sartre said, and I'm not...
01:31:44.000Jean-Paul Sartre once said, but it has stuck with me ever since I heard it, which is, whatever you do, you give the planet permission to do.
01:34:38.000So, it's like – To me, it's just a big relief.
01:34:41.000Number one, you can't do shit for anybody else but yourself.
01:34:45.000Number two, you don't need, none of us know, we don't have to impose some moral thing on you, but there is one actionable thing, an action anyone can take, which is amoral, which is find out who you are.
01:37:04.000That's a cool, that thing that happens to people who have, like, done shitty things, where instead of just saying, like, yeah, I fucked up.
01:37:16.000You can't say, yeah, I killed somebody, right?
01:37:19.000Well, you can, but if you do that, you're going to suddenly, and it'll be, I think for anybody who's done shitty things, the moment you just say it, you get to be standing again on the real ground, like the real terrain, instead of like the bullshit.
01:37:36.000You've been living in, but when you decide not to do that, then you do have this, like, it's like the Uncanny Valley.
01:37:43.000Like, you have this, like, android quality to you because you're not reflecting reality.
01:37:48.000You're reflecting reality after you put lipstick on it and sunglasses and combed its hair.
01:37:53.000Put some perfume on it, got a nose job, got its ass, got ass implants, and that's your fucking reality is this super plastic, like someone who's been getting plastic surgery for years.
01:38:04.000And so you're pretending that that's your existence.
01:38:07.000You see it, man, when people are getting sentenced for killing people, and they're like, the look on their fucking face is like...
01:38:17.000So confused because they have created this valley in between that person and the person they are.
01:38:25.000They've split in half, essentially, and they can't deal with it.
01:38:29.000That's why so many people who have murdered people will say, I wasn't there.
01:38:56.000Because otherwise you have to deal with the fact that you are a murderer, that you killed fucking, you strangled fucking kids, that you dressed like a fucking clown, you know, and like killed kids.
01:39:10.000Like, it's so unpalatable to deal with that shit.
01:39:14.000Because you're just a crazy lunatic who is out of control.
01:40:03.000Because, like, guess what he did was he put OJ's video where he was talking, and in the background he had someone screaming, help, call the police, help, help.
01:40:14.000And so then OJ sends him this direct message, allegedly.
01:40:42.000Norm said, hey, Juice, I just wanted to tell you that through that video, I know the golf course that's behind you, so I could figure out where your house is, and I wouldn't do that, but somebody else might.
01:42:25.000Well, for someone like you or someone like me, it's easy for them to do it because they basically got a library of all the sounds that we can make with our mouth.
01:42:32.000And so they put it in a database and then they can get you to say words you've never said before in an order that you've never said them before in a way that you can kind of distinguish.
01:42:41.000For now, I kind of can hear that it's fake, but it was me talking about sponsoring a hockey team filled with all chimpanzees.
01:42:57.000I mean, they had one a few years ago that they did with Ronald Reagan, where they had a fake speech.
01:43:03.000And this was way, way before the internet.
01:43:07.000And someone had pieced together a fake...
01:43:13.000collaboration of a bunch of different Ronald Reagan speeches and then used them with sound editing and turned it into a whole statement that he never gave before and then the White House went on television and showed how they did it and showed on the news all the different speeches that they pulled from and the actual sentences where they pulled from they showed it to you so there could be no denying someone I forget what it was Maybe it was the Russians.
01:44:41.000Like, you know about the hostage, the fucking weird hostage phone thing people are doing where they're like, you get a phone call from the phone number of your wife and you answer it and it's like, we've kidnapped your wife.
01:44:55.000You know, it's someone freaking out in the background.
01:44:58.000They're like, send us money, or she's fucked.
01:45:01.000And like, they've been, right now what they've been doing is they've been, you know, someone will say, let me talk to her.
01:45:14.000People have been sending them money, you know?
01:45:16.000And, like, when you consider, like, what happens when deepfake technology intersects with just the ability to, like, call people from spoofed numbers, and that suddenly, if someone gets your phone number list, they're going to be able to call your friends as you.
01:45:32.000And record conversations as they sort of dredge up, you know, who knows, whatever they want.
01:45:42.000That, to me, is like so spectacularly fucking weird that we're going to end up having to have passwords that we tell each other away from our Lexus, which is like, listen, if I call you and I'm seeming strange...
01:45:58.000You know, the password is like, go for 69. Otherwise, it's not me.
01:46:33.000And then suddenly, you're no longer in demand in the sense that once the Joe Rogan AI package goes on the dark web or makes its way into wherever, people are going to just be able to download you and have conversations with you and make videos.
01:46:49.000You know what I... That, to me, is the...
01:46:51.000One of the most bizarre realities that we are entering into is one where you're going to go on YouTube and there's going to be a video of you Looks like you, sounds like you, but it's like 50 times funnier than you, 50 times cooler than you, 50 times smarter than you,
01:47:07.000because it's an AI pulling from the internet.
01:47:11.000And no one's going to want to watch you anymore, because they're like, I love the real Rogan, but I want to watch the Rogan whose brain is functioning 50 times the speed of a normal human brain, because that guy, wow!
01:47:24.000That's how they're going to take over.
01:49:36.000They were, like, scary, but not like today where they, like, shut down the power grid until you send somebody a million dollars worth of Bitcoin.
01:49:43.000Or you have to completely remap your hard drive, completely re-upload your operating system.
01:50:24.000People were pointing back to this being like the Weeping Angel program where the CIA can use your TV to listen to your conversations and they are doing that and they're recording it.
01:50:56.000You know, the implication that they, in your deep fake, that they sent out to the world was it already happened.
01:51:03.000You know, they're like, how do you know this hasn't already happened?
01:51:05.000In other words, like, how do we know we're not duplicates?
01:51:08.000How do we know we're not one of an infinite number, an array of, like, you know, versions of us that are being populated all over some server somewhere?
01:51:21.000Well, that's the thing about the simulation theory is that one day we – if things keep going the way they are – I was going to bring this up when we were talking about people like looking at cities and looking at the grids and looking at the hive.
01:52:31.000Well, if that can happen one day, if they can create an artificial reality that you cannot discern from the reality that you're currently experiencing, how do you know it hasn't already happened?
01:52:42.000And, you know, some super fucking smart people think that we should keep open the possibility that that is what we're operating under.
01:52:51.000Or that the stability and the rigidity of the dimension that we exist in is not nearly as firm and not nearly as permanent as we like to think it is.
01:53:03.000Which is one of the reasons why psychedelics is so exciting.
01:53:11.000They're transformative, but they're also...
01:53:17.000They illuminate the possibility of others, of other things, other dimensions, other life forms, other levels of consciousness, other ways of interacting with each other, especially mushrooms.
01:53:43.000Who's to say that if – human neurochemistry, right?
01:53:46.000If that's what's causing depression and elation and dopamine and serotonin and all these different wonderful things, it's what causes melatonin and all these different things that happen when you're sleeping and then the psychedelic ones like the DMT. Who's to say that we have to exist with this mixture,
01:54:18.000Sort of entryways into these other dimensions that are consistently open and closed, and they're constantly around us all the time.
01:54:26.000But when we're just in straight normal consciousness that we experience without perturbing it with alcohol or pot or psychedelics, we want to think that this is reality.
01:55:04.000If you just think about how little we understand about consciousness, about what happens when you die, what happens when you sleep, how little we know about what is going on when you're communicating with people, what is going on when you're interacting with people, where are these fucking ideas coming from?
01:55:21.000Are these ideas little life forms in a non-observed state?
01:55:56.000And like, you know, as I've been taught by some people, the...
01:56:02.000You know, if you start breaking it down, just logically, like, you know, your past, for example, you know, you ever do that, spend any time with your memories, and you realize, like, well, your most vivid memory, whatever it may be, You can't really taste what you were eating or feel the euphoria that you were feeling or the fear you were feeling or whatever.
01:56:26.000Because if you did, then the memory would not work for a person who was trying to like stay alive.
01:56:32.000Because if you just remember the last time you got punched in the face, you would feel it.
01:56:36.000And also, if you could remember tastes, you wouldn't be so inclined to eat because you could just go back and think to the last chocolate bar you ate and you would taste it.
01:56:45.000Obviously, if you could remember orgasms as they are, you wouldn't really need to fuck.
01:56:50.000You would just think about having sex whenever you had it and you would come.
01:57:27.000Nothing is outside of this point in time.
01:57:29.000And so then, now you've basically, just from a simple analysis of your memories, which a lot of people imagine that's who they are, like they're a snake.
01:59:02.000They know they can do that crazy shit where they can hop around on one arm, with their feet up in the air crisscrossing and going into the lotus position.
02:01:19.000When the reality is you're like, I don't want to deal with it, man.
02:01:21.000I don't want to deal with all the levels of having to face the fact that you fired a neuron that made it seem okay that in the middle of a party where nobody was playing music, or maybe music was playing, you turned it off.
02:01:34.000Dude, I know of a guy who in the middle of a football game paused the game to show his acting real.
02:03:29.000I mean, I think if you look at, like, anytime I've done that shit, I'm too high, I'm getting paranoid, and I'm trying to get some affirmation from a friend.
02:03:38.000You know, that's usually the feeling is one of need.
02:03:40.000Like, you know, like when you're around someone and you realize, like...
02:03:43.000They want me to compliment them right now.
02:04:28.000And also add to that the very same sort of person who is intent on getting you to acknowledge their fucking sandcastles, which is a great description of it, because no matter what you're doing, it's a fucking sandcastle.
02:04:43.000But then you have these people who on top of this sick need for a person to affirm their existence by complimenting their ridiculous sandcastle art, they also want to leave a legacy.
02:06:05.000If you found out that this was what you were going to do forever and ever and ever, and it's going to repeat itself over and over and over again, would you be like, no, it's pointless!
02:06:26.000That's where it's ironic when you pick up a skill like learn to play the piano or learn to do backflips or in my case learn to do martial arts is that you actually become a better person through learning how to do something because it's hard so you learn about yourself.
02:07:04.000It requires 100% of your focus, and in doing so, whether it's playing piano or throwing kicks or whatever the fuck it is, in doing so, you understand yourself better.
02:07:14.000So even though, ironically, you're kind of defining who you are as a person, and you're giving yourself extra clout because you're the fucking man dunking a ball into a net.
02:07:47.000If you really want to get good at something, if you really want to leave behind a legacy, you have to achieve a level of focus and a level of intense focus.
02:07:55.000Thinking and concentration that most people are just gonna peter out before they get to that spot.
02:08:01.000I mean that's what I love about what you're talking about is it's a force field In between you and an elite, like fuck the Illuminati, the force field of the learning curve separates every single person from a terrain that cannot be reached with money.
02:08:30.000So this is cool, because now you enter into a realm that is inaccessible by money, is inaccessible by power, but is weirdly generally accessible by anybody.
02:08:41.000In other words, the only thing keeping you from whatever the fucking thing is you want to get good at to show yourself that it is possible to...
02:08:50.000Leave the reality that you're in and enter a completely different reality.
02:08:53.000Because for me, if suddenly I was in a world where I could do fucking backflips, might as well be an alternate dimension.
02:08:59.000Like if I got home and did a backflip in front of my wife, she would probably be more amazed than if I levitated.
02:09:13.000So it's like, in other words, the you, wherever you're at, whatever the thing is that you are, there's always this interesting, mountainous, rugged terrain separating you.
02:09:25.000From a completely different universe where you can do backflips, play the piano, play the guitar, whatever the fucking specific thing it is you want to pick up.
02:11:33.000I mean, it's a cult around these synths because they did figure out a way to dial in this perfect, specific, beautiful sound that once you even...
02:11:44.000I mean, if you like playing music, which, you know, I just do as a...
02:11:52.000You just like to sit in a room and turn off the light or put on mood lights or whatever and just...
02:11:57.000Make your own music instead of listening to what people are making for you to listen?
02:12:01.000Yeah, well, I mean, I like both, but I just, I like the, with musical synthesis, I really, there's like a weird kind of philosophy behind it, which is, not only do you not have to worry about making, you know, whatever it is, an album or something,
02:12:31.000A friend of mine, Billy Mays III, he's actually the son of Billy Mays, he travels around playing music under a name called Infinite Third, and he does a thing called Mouth Council, which sounds like almost what you're doing, where he takes a loop pedal, has a microphone, he starts and makes a sound,
02:12:47.000and then he passes it around to the next person.
02:12:49.000It's like, you would have it, you make a sound.
02:12:50.000Then Joe would make a sound, and then by the end of the eight-person, nine-person thing, he knows how to use the pedal enough that it becomes basically a song, almost like a song.
02:12:58.000It's just a droning loop, so it's not really super musical, but it's almost like this, and he does very similar things by himself.
02:13:06.000It gets real cool, but it's just like what you're saying though, it's not music to listen to necessarily.
02:13:13.000It's to have on and like the background sort of and like whatever you're doing really can be used in lots of ways.
02:13:19.000It's like, yeah, I think it's just like...
02:13:21.000Whoever this is is clearly a great musician, but also you can just enjoy dialing in these insane howling alien noises for no reason other than you just are trying to make sounds, and that's it.
02:13:38.000You take that and combine it with most any psychedelic Marijuana, and what you have there is the ultimate fucking spaceship, essentially.
02:13:49.000That you're just like, you don't need, we're just talking about how, the idea behind this is you can get good at it, and these things are so precisely dialed in that if you wanted to be like the, you know, they teach you music just from interacting with it, but also there's just this visceral, like,
02:14:04.000pleasure of making noises through synths, you know?
02:17:30.000I've seen some real-ass looking houses.
02:17:33.000And that's, you know, real estate agents are using that shit.
02:17:36.000Why wouldn't, like, a clothing designer have, like, the perfect body to complement their perfect clothes, you know?
02:17:43.000Yeah, that, um, I'm sure you've shown this on here a billion times, but, yeah, that, you're talking about the AI that just generates people?
02:18:00.000It's funny that some people trip out about people that look really good on Instagram, and they say they're giving off unrealistic body images.
02:18:11.000And that this is something we should stay away from.
02:18:14.000It's like that guy from Vox was doing that.
02:18:18.000Everybody's hating on him, because he was saying that about gay thirst traps.
02:18:22.000They put out unrealistic body images, and you should think about them the same way you think about cigarette ads.
02:19:28.000You know, like, you hear this, like, usually you find out this way down the line, but, like, some phenomena in society was, like, cooked up in a boardroom, right?
02:19:37.000Like, for example, let's say, I don't know, you made Twinkies, and you realize, like, shit, man, people, like, really getting into this...
02:19:45.000Ketogenic diet and working out and there could be a potential, you probably have some AI saying like, hey, we've got like a health craze predicted for 2021, meaning Twinkie sales are going to drop by like 50% because guys don't want to be fat.
02:19:59.000And so then you start disseminating into the world like, alright.
02:20:30.000Like, in other words, if there was like delicious uranium, like some lunatic created like the sweetest, most flavorful uranium biscuit.
02:20:39.000You're not going to eat that shit, you know?
02:20:41.000You're going to go Chernobyl and fucking, oh, your stomach's going to melt at the dinner table.
02:20:45.000But if you could come up with, like, you know, a nice IPA, like you were saying, or some kind of thing that's, oh, it's just poison, basically.
02:20:53.000It's going to destroy your liver over time.
02:22:17.000But it's really interesting when you consider his idea that at one point in time there were psychedelic cultures that really didn't have our standard intoxicants, right?
02:24:13.000Because it's like these, you know, as much as I love hanging out with you and, like, my friends who take psychedelics...
02:24:21.000It's really inspiring to be around scientists who are sort of figuring out a way to translate that experience into a data set that can convince legislators to change draconian laws because they're doing the hard work.
02:24:36.000You know, you and I, we get to go on and on and on about the multiverse and the DMT entities.
02:24:44.000It doesn't matter if they've taken it and had a real experience where some advanced Whatever you want to call it, has appeared to them whether a part of their subconscious or an alien and said, listen, here's what's going on.
02:24:57.000The first step is we've got to like undercut the hierarchical centralized power structure and we know the only way to really do that is Is by teaching people that their identity as they think it is, isn't quite right.
02:25:09.000If we can expand the human identity, selfishness goes away.
02:25:13.000If we can get rid of the problem of trauma and people dealing with trauma by being aggressive to the outside world, Then over time, the circumference of the human identity expands beyond the perimeters of me and into us.
02:25:27.000And if that happens, then we can enter into a type A civilization or whatever they call it, the beginning of a global civilization.
02:25:34.000But first, we've got to get the fucking monkeys to climb down from the tree of their selfishness.
02:25:41.000And if we can do that and we can lure a few people out of themselves, just like getting a buggy out of the tree, so that people are like, wait a minute, I don't think I'm just a me.
02:25:51.000I think I'm connected to everything, purely interconnected.
02:27:11.000There is a sense of a self, rather, and we feel mixed up in it, but What you realize is like, you know those fucking times where you authentically, not because you're filming it for your Instagram or whatever, help somebody, and you don't talk about it?
02:27:32.000One of my favorite mushroom trips was when I started coming back, and before I really came down, I started thinking like, what was I doing?
02:27:51.000I had merged into something bigger than me.
02:27:54.000Similarly, if you just get really engaged in helping people, you'll notice that for that amount of time, you don't feel quite as shitty.
02:28:02.000And it's not just because you're doing something good and there's some angel casting blessings on you.
02:28:07.000It's because you got out of yourself for a second, in the sense that you became more than just you.
02:28:13.000You were you and the person you were helping.
02:28:15.000And that, to me, is a really interesting aspect of where we're at as a species, is that The reality is, man, yeah, we're all special and beautiful and wonderful, but also, you're not happening in a vacuum.
02:28:30.000You're completely, inexorably interconnected with everything, and you can't get out of that.
02:28:37.000You're in it for real, and the boundaries you've constructed around you and whatever you think the rest of the world is, they're just in your head.
02:30:23.000And it's like our whole – from like our family structures usually to like the entire way we run our government is usually centralized around one key identity.
02:30:32.000And you've had this conversation many times on the show, which I like, the preposterous nature of a king, a president, a pope, a bishop, a world leader, a teacher, whatever the fuck it is, it's preposterous.
02:30:45.000And it's also quite dangerous, you know, because it's like, not only do we have the situation of the parasitic friend, but even worse, you can get into the situation of the charismatic friend who's tricking you into the idea that you could do something called cosmic hitchhiking.
02:31:04.000That's what Chogyam Trungpa calls it, which is basically the idea that, like, I'm going to use you because you are so great, and you will be the thing that helps me become a real person.
02:31:35.000Oh, they're a tulku is what it's called.
02:31:37.000So it's the tulku system, and the way it would work would be, you know, because you have, like, if you look at the history of Tibet, it was called the Hermit Kingdom, and it was closed off from the rest of the world.
02:31:49.000Seven years in Tibet is about somebody who made it through and became friends with the Dalai Lama as a kid.
02:31:55.000Anyway, so within this system, there is this idea that Beings reincarnate.
02:32:03.000And if you're awakened enough, if you're like really like at the sort of last phase of the sort of, what would you call it, the cycle you were talking about earlier, then you stop losing at least some of the amnesia that happens when you get processed through the liminal in-between period called the bardo between this incarnation and the next.
02:32:52.000Well, I think it has happened where tulkus are like, it's similar to like, what the fuck is the, what is the thing where those kids get one summer to go, like the summer of fucking?
02:33:33.000I believe that was one of the ways they studied the impact of MDMA, wasn't it?
02:33:38.000If you find someone who's taken MDMA, but no other drug, it's pretty rare.
02:33:44.000So, you need to find a person who's only taken MDMA, otherwise you can't...
02:33:48.000Like, assess if there's some cognitive damage, because it could have been the acid, it could have been the mushrooms, it could have been the time you fell on your ass when you were hammered, who the fuck knows?
02:33:58.000But these kids, some of them have only taken MDMA, and so I believe that they used them as a sample to, like, determine if there was any kind of neurological damage caused by The drug itself.
02:34:10.000So I think a symbol or phenomena happens within that system where some kids are like, I'm not a reincarnated being.
02:35:04.000Well, that's comforting to know he's always been with us, you know, because it's like one of the things that does bother me is to imagine a world without Seagal, you know?
02:35:11.000So it's cool to know he's always been here, coming back again and again.
02:35:15.000How come nobody was ever a loser in their past life?
02:36:14.000Meanwhile, Seagal's got five hookers going to this guy's house right now as we speak.
02:36:21.000Well, also, there's talk of ending the Tolku system, and the Dalai Lama has even said that, and recognizing that, because what's cool about the Dalai Lama, among many things, is that he said, you know, he's very rational,
02:36:37.000and he said if science proves Something in Buddhism is off, we'll change Buddhism to fit the rational mind.
02:36:46.000There's pageantry in it, there's ceremony, there's ritual in it, just like any other religion, it's beautiful.
02:36:51.000Personally, I think that there is a sort of area of experience accessible through their practices that I guess could best be compared to psychedelics or something like that, but to me what I love about it is All the pageantry aside and all of it aside,
02:37:24.000It's like, you know, maybe some forms of it, there could be an example of that, but in general, it's more along the lines of here's the basic fundamental principles behind this Not in the courting of a human life that we've discovered.
02:37:40.000Here's where some suffering is coming from.
02:37:45.000That's the Four Noble Truths of Buddhism.
02:37:47.000And just hearing it, who gives a fuck?
02:37:51.000You could hear life is suffering, the cause of suffering is attachment, get rid of attachment, suffering ends, here's a system to get rid of attachment, and, you know, whatever.
02:38:01.000Life is suffering, what does that even fucking mean?
02:39:28.000That's all you can do is like really look at the shit that you want.
02:39:32.000Like, I could come home and Moog could have pulled up and given me seven Moog ones, right?
02:39:38.000And I'm gonna sit and play those fucking Moog ones for weeks and weeks until I'm sweaty and smell like fucking just someone shoved a salami under the balls of an ape, you know?
02:39:50.000I'm going to just be oozing a stink and like probably weeping into the mug and sneezing into it.
02:39:57.000Anyway, the point is, eventually after the distraction has gone away, I'm going to return to my fundamental self, you know, the fundamental condition of existence as it is, regardless.
02:42:11.000And it's almost exactly like what we were talking about with religions, that you look down at these grids and these grids are run by different operating systems that require different behavior from their women.
02:42:22.000This operating system, you can't drive.
02:42:25.000You got to dress like a beekeeper and you have to do this and you have to do that.
02:42:28.000This operating system, you put a plate through your lip.
02:44:15.000How about fuck you, my raped little girl is not going to have to carry someone's baby, you fucking asshole.
02:44:21.000And the idea that you're an invisible man in the sky that watches over everything you do but allows rape to occur, allows little kids to get raped.
02:44:29.000You want that little kid to carry a baby?
02:44:34.000There's people that feel like that, too.
02:44:36.000Well, this is, if you want to find the commonality, the common thread, it's just the way you were describing, which is a natural reaction to someone saying that to you or controlling your life in that way, it's aggression.
02:44:46.000So, like, on both sides, it's not that there's an articulation of a point of view, it's that the point of view is being flavored with anger, with aggression.
02:45:22.000So, number one, give yourself a fucking break.
02:45:24.000From the evolutionary perspective, you're just barely waking up.
02:45:30.000But, because you've been a monkey, inside of you, there's some serious, serious aggression, because that was the way to deal with the eagle that was bigger than you, that carried your wife away to feed to its You are going to have a sit down with the eagle and be like,
02:45:58.000And you know, the baby's gonna die because he was drinking her milk and all eagle, but listen, I wonder if maybe you could just spare the rest of my family.
02:46:05.000What you're gonna do is kill that fucking eagle any way you can.
02:46:43.000That's what has happened to us, which is like, listen, we've got it good right now, but it wasn't that long ago that saber-toothed tigers were dragging our children into the fucking jungle and eating them and we find feet that were our kids' feet in a bush somewhere and this trauma is in us epigenetically.
02:46:59.000So, anyway, the point is, give yourself a fucking break.
02:47:03.000The other point is, that being said, recognize you're being aggressive.
02:47:09.000Your approach using anger and intolerance is not working.
02:47:15.000It is as noble as your purpose may be.
02:47:18.000You want a global civilization of joy, whatever the fuck it is, It's not working if you're using the exact same momentum that causes the wars that you're hoping to stop.
02:47:31.000So the first step has to be, I think, an internal personal exploration to create some – not to even get rid of the aggression or to be like, I'm bad because I'm angry or I'm all that bullshit, but to create some – to find out what is the circumference of the self.
02:47:48.000And then within that you realize the thing you thought was all of you, that coiled up – Fucking anger is, in fact, a tiny piece of you.
02:47:55.000It's still there, and it's still useful at times, but it's not all of you.
02:48:00.000And because the circumference has widened, the next time the angry part of you starts bubbling, it's just like, it's the difference between somebody throwing a brick in a bathtub and a brick in the ocean.
02:48:11.000It's like, a brick in the ocean, no big deal.
02:48:13.000A brick in the bathtub, fuck you, dude!
02:48:15.000Why are you throwing bricks in my bathtub, bitch?!
02:49:29.000I think that's part of the appeal of the dad bod, part of the appeal of like...
02:49:36.000Someone talking about unrealistic body expectations, you're really talking about less reliance on the flesh, the virility, the athletic ability,
02:49:52.000the ability to conquer, the ability to breed and spread your genes and fight off predators and enemies and invaders.
02:49:59.000It's not nearly as necessary as it used to be.
02:51:08.000So similarly, sometimes what's coinciding with the muscular thing is also a dominant, aggressive attitude, so the two have become mixed together.
02:51:29.000Because, you know, like Eddie Bravo, he's nice, man.
02:51:32.000When I'm around him, like, I forget that I could just suddenly be dead.
02:51:38.000I mean, if you didn't forget it, you'd be nervous around him all the time.
02:51:41.000Like, you know, you're in a great conversation with him, enjoying his company, and then, like, you could just, that's it.
02:51:46.000So, similarly, like, this is what happened.
02:51:50.000So, the idea is, like, you've got a continuum of possible...
02:51:54.000Ways that humans express themselves on one side you have the condition of like the noble warrior Which is a trained disciplined person who's literally putting themselves in front of others the samurai you talk about it a bunch You know who's fading into the background who doesn't even give a fuck if anybody knows they did anything heroic Because they've given up on that it's a very spiritual way of being well Then there's also the concern about the warmonger like why does the warmonger exist is the warmonger like the firefighter that starts their own fires?
02:52:33.000But this is, again, corruption of a potential ideal, which is like, regardless of the fact that we've all kind of witnessed various...
02:52:44.000There's examples in pretty much every profession of what it looks like when things aren't so great and imbalanced.
02:52:51.000There's also examples of people who are the opposite of that, who are like completely, you know, in service, who like, you know, how many firemen got fucking incinerated in September 11th, man?
02:53:04.000You know, and the truth is, I can't name, unfortunately, embarrassingly enough, I couldn't name one of them if you paid me to.
02:53:11.000These are people who literally gave their entire life up, who went up that fucking thing.
02:53:15.000They didn't think they were coming back down.