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00:00:56.000The collective birds in the area will have a memory of that.
00:00:59.000So if you have this hawk come through the vineyard and they just pulverize and there's feathers everywhere, the community of birds kind of go, I don't think we should go this way.
00:02:22.000These wolves are just running for their life as death swarms down from the sky.
00:02:27.000We were going to use the drone to get some footage of the falcons, and we're like, she's like, yeah, that's probably not a good idea.
00:02:36.000And I'm like, yeah, because the blades, he goes, no, no, no, your drone, because the falcons will go full force into your drone and destroy it.
00:02:44.000So whatever you paid for it, try getting your insurance company and going, hey, my drone broke.
00:09:50.000So I wanted to ask you this because this is something that, like a lot of people that are dealing with in the Arizona area, you guys had a lot of rain, right?
00:09:59.000Yeah, so I know like hunters and people that are like into the wildlife and everything that are really Excited about this fall because there's so much moisture.
00:10:08.000It's like the animal populations be very healthy Yes, and I mean it's you know with anything there's there's always gonna be both sides with with extra rain in the spring comes extra foliage extra ground cover extra grass Right,
00:11:32.000There's something crazy, but that's one of the things that I really do miss about living on the East Coast with horrible winters, is that there's something comforting in the brutal force of nature that just forces you to recognize that you are helpless.
00:12:53.000Because I think that's really – that's kind of what it comes down to is trying to make sure that we're not – it just doesn't turn into some other clickbait reality TV show.
00:13:28.000To feel connected, to feel like you're part of a movement for injustice or whatever, I completely get that you need to do that.
00:13:37.000But I think at some point when you start fighting with your neighbor, you start to kind of lose connection.
00:13:44.000And I think these things, man, these are just, they're a poison in terms of Dividing people and forgetting they have these conversations openly.
00:13:54.000So the concept, we're going to lay it out.
00:13:58.000The idea is that we find six different people from completely different backgrounds that have a very strong feeling about something that they feel strongly about, just something, whatever it is.
00:14:30.000And just build on the things they can agree on.
00:14:34.000And then at the end of it, we go back and make sure we re-interview them.
00:14:38.000And the way that they went into the thing, whatever their statement was about who they are, doesn't change.
00:14:45.000They believe what they believe, but in that, without compromising the core of who they are, they end up finding in somebody else An agree to disagree position where they can actually talk to each other and find out what they do like.
00:14:59.000I feel like one-on-one in person with no one around people are much more likely to have those things.
00:15:06.000The real problem is when it's being projected to the world and you're looking for likes and you're looking for people to agree you're looking for support and that's one of the really toxic things about the phones and social media and Is that everybody's playing for likes and the virtue signaling and throwing up the flag of righteousness.
00:15:45.000The purpose when OxyContin first came out was that they discovered in that drug something that interrupted and helped fix people who were meth, heroin addicts.
00:15:58.000It was helping them get sober and getting off.
00:16:18.000Unless you cut your hands off, you're going to take another one.
00:16:21.000So you just replace the heroin with another thing that's like the dopamine dump.
00:16:28.000And this is, they're now finding that that whole process of likes and validating or not validating, then you get depressed because nobody likes your post and you're constantly looking like a rat.
00:16:44.000Basically the analogy of the rat in the Yeah.
00:17:07.000To the charge you get on that and the fact that it's fed by adjusted titles, whatever the headline is, if that's not getting it, they adjust the headline to see if it gets you now, and then you click on it, go, that's the one,
00:17:22.000and then they adjust that one, and it's the rat hitting the cooking button.
00:17:27.000Well, I'm glad you used that analogy, because one of the things they found out about that, because some biologists didn't like the, they didn't jive with them, the rats with the cocaine.
00:17:36.000So then they thought about the environment that the rats lived in, and they said, well, let's look at this environment, because these rats are in a cage.
00:17:42.000This is a very unnatural environment, there's lights on, there's people staring at them.
00:17:46.000So instead, they put rats in a very rat-like environment, woody and grass and trees, and in a natural rat world.
00:17:58.000They only hit the coke when they were just destroyed, like their life was turned upside down, and they're living in this completely unnatural environment.
00:18:07.000So when you're in prison, you'll do the coke.
00:18:09.000But when they were in a very natural world, they didn't find it attractive at all.
00:18:15.000Okay, so on that note, I would suggest I just...
00:18:19.000The people will help now have read those things that I put up about the new album and everything so I'm gonna request I'm gonna beg People who have seen it now.
00:18:28.000I'm not sure where this is going live.
00:18:31.000It's gonna go a couple hours tomorrow.
00:18:32.000Okay, great I'm gonna beg as a favor to you and to me For people who read that news and are excited about that news to do us all a favor and Turn your fucking phone off.
00:22:41.000Well, just because people are just, you know, they need to have a voice and they need to be identified and there are a lot of mean-spirited things out there.
00:22:50.000And I feel like the world we're living in right now, there's so much back and forth and there's so much posturing and there's so much disconnected, disconnected, disconnected behavior that we really just need people to...
00:23:05.000Reconnect with their loved ones, especially in your community.
00:23:08.000Because as things are progressing in the world, the population and climate change, which I believe there's some stuff coming, you need to connect with people.
00:25:21.000So going back to now, though, and us getting along now and surviving better over the next little bit, going back to our, like, the people talking to each other.
00:25:33.000How do we tee this up so we can take it and not ruin it with a reality TV show?
00:25:38.000Because every reality TV show you see, it's been manipulated.
00:25:43.000They'll poke the person that they know is going to blow up at some point so that it causes drama and again the dopamine dump and everybody says, oh my god!
00:25:51.000Yeah, they're basically doing clickbait in terms of how they're programming the television show.
00:26:28.000It has to be done just purely for the idea, purely for the exercise of getting people to communicate that have disagreements, and realizing that so much of, you know, people dig their heels in the sand, and they want to be right more than they want to get along.
00:27:19.000Most of us in the wrong environment, with the wrong people, and the wrong feelings, and the wrong drugs, and the wrong jobs, and the wrong community.
00:31:52.000But down at this level, at the local level, you're just trying to figure out simple problems that you're trying to solve within your state, within your county, within your town.
00:32:02.000Those politicians are, you know, you got to work with them, but they're less crazy.
00:34:31.000And I feel like I've seen it in our world.
00:34:36.000Between bands, my bands, Tool, Procifer, Perfect Scroll, all of them, you get to spots where you feel entitled, you're arrogant, you are greedy.
00:34:45.000All those things are in all of us and you have to check yourself when they come up.
00:35:04.000It's not just like one person with a creative vision and they put it down.
00:35:08.000You have all these other people and their ideas and you've got to work it out together and there's all sorts of weird shit going on, right?
00:35:27.000No, I was just making sure, because I posted that, and Dino, I just want to make sure Dino knew that we posted it, because then he can talk to...
00:36:04.000When you get successful, you think you're right about everything.
00:36:07.000And you're pretty sure as that individual, I am right and you are wrong because I'm successful and we're successful because of me, not because of you.
00:36:20.000Yeah, there's a dynamic of like, you know, I want this and I've always gotten my way and that's why we're successful is because I don't compromise on this or that.
00:36:29.000And it's like, you know, I'm the same way.
00:36:32.000Do you find that as a parent – You sort of have more empathy for, like, fucked up behavior and thinking because you kind of understand, like, oh, you got bad data as a developing unit.
00:39:24.000I mean, it's a 2,000-pound gigantic animal that has to fight off wolves and mountain lions and bears, and you're going to have your kid five yards away from it?
00:39:34.000You know, I've had a lot of friends, musician friends, that go, yeah, I want to come out, man.
00:40:18.000So my dad and her picked probably about a half a ton, maybe a ton of apples already off our trees.
00:40:24.000So I get back, you know, tonight, I fly back tonight, and then in the morning, we're shredding apples into a bin, like applesauce, and going to inoculate it.
00:40:37.000I already have some Chardonnay that's fermenting, so I'll take like a gallon of the Chardonnay and just put it in with the apples so that it'll just start the fermentation.
00:40:45.000So like bacteria from the Chardonnay, yeast?
00:40:47.000The yeast is already fermenting, yeah.
00:40:50.000So I'll just inoculate it with something that's already, it's a wild yeast that's already fermenting, and so put it in with those, let it finish up.
00:40:58.000And do you do this at a stable temperature?
00:41:01.000We normally keep the cider, we've been kind of keeping it like, you know, 70, 68 in a cool room, not out in the sun hot, and not back in a cold, cold, cold room.
00:41:12.000Kind of, you know, 60, between 65 and 72. How much cider will you make with all that?
00:41:55.000Well, once they're picked, we can actually, the cool thing about apples is they kind of keep, kind of just kind of stack them up in the walk-in cooler on site, and then we gather them all up when there's a critical mass, bring them in, shred them.
00:42:19.000So a lot of people will get them super ripe and they crush and press them so they just get the juice right off the must and they ferment just the juice.
00:42:28.000Other people will shred them so there's just like applesauce and then they'll try to press that through a very specific press that kind of gets the juice away from the must.
00:42:36.000What's the benefit of the former versus the latter?
00:43:09.000So because I want to make sure that that wasn't an accident, I'm going to do it exactly like I did it last time to see if it turns out the same.
00:43:19.000And when you did it, did you do it based on someone's recommendation or did you have someone guiding you through it?
00:43:24.000I did it based on my experiences with fermenting grapes on skins.
00:43:35.000It's not a sweet cider you normally would think of, like slightly sweet cider.
00:43:40.000This is like an acidic, dry cider, very refreshing.
00:43:45.000And is this a cider that's available at your restaurant?
00:43:48.000Yeah, at the Ulsteria, down in Scottsdale, at the American Vineyards location in Scottsdale, and at the Caduceus Cellars Tasting Room and the Pulsifer Store in the 4A. If someone, where would, like, where would I go?
00:43:59.000Where would I go if I wanted to try your food and drink your wine?
00:45:06.000We had some decent success up in the valley, like with the vibe that we got with the farms, you know, farm to table, not just any farm, our farms to your table vibe, and our vines to your glass scenario.
00:45:19.000But it's funny, down in Scottsdale, like, okay, this is going to go.
00:48:25.000No, I had a person who works at the Humane Society, I mentioned that I found this stuff, like, just in desperation in Europe, like, had some sore muscles.
00:48:34.000And she's like, don't let your pets lick that because they were trying to figure out why these kittens were dying.
00:49:35.000It turned out his pain was being caused not just by the running, but by the fact that he was creating inflammation by destroying his gut biome by taking 800 milligrams of ibuprofen two times a day.
00:49:49.000So the idea of fixing himself was fucking him up.
00:50:45.000If you say you're into CBD... I've just talked so much shit about pot that now I've got to backpedal and go, no, I was just a part of an elaborate joke.
00:50:53.000Listen, man, I smoke pot all the time and I talk shit about pot.
00:53:39.000I got a thing, a little collaboration with Angel's Envy Bourbon out of Kentucky.
00:53:45.000They took some of my fortified wine barrels and took them, and they're finishing one of their ports in one of my barrels, a couple of my barrels, yeah.
00:54:09.000They do rye and bourbon in Kentucky and they basically, they have a whole thing about their Angels Empty bourbon is finished and In port barrels.
00:54:19.000So they'll find, you know, either get them from Europe or get them from California where they're, you know, they're a fortified red barrel that's had wine in it.
00:55:24.000New and used vinyl on top floor with all kinds of perf and now you're like, you know, band stuff, but also like a whole kind of the gelato shop.
00:55:33.000Do people go there hoping they're gonna run into you?
00:56:59.000I'm finding that, for me, my friend Todd got me into doing the Muay Thai because he's like, look, we do jiu-jitsu so much and on the road you're like...
00:57:10.000We can only find this black belt in town to train with you, and he's 210, 220. So I'm trying to deal with this weight, and I'm kind of sore now for the show.
01:01:27.000Yeah, but I'm, you know, I'm finding on the road, it's just traveling, it's easier to do the no-gi because I can rinse that out and hang it up in the shower and just dry by morning.
01:01:36.000Do you use special soap and make sure you don't get any fucking cooties?
01:01:46.000Well, I noticed like, you know, and it's been, I remember as a wrestler, you never really saw this stuff.
01:01:53.000You saw a little bit of it, but like nowadays, it's like they're getting disqualified at regionals because they've got a spot on their back and they can't go wrestle and they've worked their whole season to get here and it's like...
01:02:10.000And particularly when people blow their nose, you know, and they wipe their nose and their finger, and then they roll.
01:02:16.000That stuff, your nose has all sorts of staph inside of it.
01:02:20.000And people get staph in their nose as well if they get an abrasion in their nose and that stuff gets into your skin and you don't clean it out.
01:02:27.000It's also your body has to be healthy.
01:02:29.000And one of the things that happens with wrestlers or any competitive athlete is as your body is going through training camp, you are building your conditioning, but you're also compromising your immune system.
01:02:39.000Like when I was fighting, I used to always get sick.
01:04:40.000Cultures, you know, when you're eating these probiotic cultures, and there's some really potent ones you could buy that are required.
01:04:47.000Like, there's some that you can get that they live on their own substrate, so inside the little capsules there's enough of whatever they can feed off of where they can be active without being refrigerated.
01:04:59.000But there's other ones that you have to buy, like really hardcore ones that you're getting that have to be refrigerated.
01:05:30.000So much so there's more E. coli living in your gut than have ever been people, ever.
01:05:36.000You know, it's all just a part of you.
01:05:38.000So you just reinforce the good stuff and keep the bad stuff away.
01:05:41.000And when the immune system gets compromised, especially through hard training, and then you get scratched and that staph just gets a grip on you and gets a hold of you and starts to go And then it gets systemic.
01:05:52.000I mean, fucking people die from that stuff.
01:06:01.000He had the most horrific staph infection I've ever seen in my life where he had holes where he would lift up his arm and you could see a hole in his underarm.
01:15:19.000It's like I'm here with a mouse in this weird little fucking environment that doesn't seem natural at all, but I'm not going to think about that.
01:15:26.000I'm just going to kill this fucking mouse.
01:16:38.000He boxed as an amateur when he was young, and then when he was an actor, I think, if I had to guess, and I'm going to just paraphrase, and I apologize if I got it wrong, but I think he felt like Hollywood and acting, and I know he's been quoted on this,
01:16:54.000was so fake and And so, for lack of a better term, feminine.
01:16:59.000It was so soft and bullshit that he felt like he had to do something real again.
01:17:05.000So he started boxing again as a world-famous movie star.
01:17:59.000And then all of a sudden, he becomes this crazy guy.
01:18:02.000And in between them, he's getting punched in the face a bunch of times.
01:18:05.000Like, it doesn't take a genius to make these connections.
01:18:09.000I know a lot of guys that were pretty normal when they were young, and then somewhere into their MMA career, they lost it, and they went off the rails.
01:18:25.000So it's, the gals are, as they, as Ronda Rousey's opened up the door for women's MMA to become more popular, there's going to be more and more women that are taking more punishment, including ones that you're never going to see inside the UFC. And the other thing is,
01:19:21.000I know, but how much bandwidth does that eat up?
01:19:25.000The fact that someone else is doing something that you're a part of, and even though you delegate, you still have to figure out what that person's doing.
01:19:31.000Hey, why is our business going under, and Mike's driving a Rolls Royce?
01:19:41.000So you just stay chill, take your CBD, drink your port?
01:19:44.000We just look at the, what's the business plan?
01:19:46.000Is it going to, is, you know, I think that's the, that was very good for me because, you know, we lived within our means when I was a kid in Michigan.
01:19:57.000My parents were high school teachers, which not a huge pay, right?
01:20:01.000So we're leaving, you know, living paycheck to paycheck in a way, putting some money away, but You know, grew on food.
01:20:07.000He would hunt, put meat in the freezer.
01:20:11.000But then getting into all of a sudden now, you know, cut to many years later, then there's band and there's like, there's touring money and there's stuff and you kind of lose touch with understanding that most businesses operate on a 10% margin.
01:20:24.000You know, so getting back to those kind of things to look at this because I'm moving my jiu-jitsu academy to another building.
01:20:36.000But, you know, looking at it, trying to make it work, it's a puzzle that's worth solving.
01:20:44.000Because if you understand how to survive this thing on that microcosm, that you can survive a lot of things, right?
01:20:51.000You can make sure that when shit doesn't go the way you want it to go...
01:20:55.000You've done the work to figure out how to survive in those extreme circumstances in terms of business, in terms of if the economy goes the way it goes.
01:21:05.000And if not, we've got greenhouses and we have some wine.
01:21:08.000So we'll eat some salad and drink wine.
01:21:31.000And I think this next couple years, the last couple years has been that, like establishing something in Arizona, establishing the green, establishing the vineyards, establishing the businesses.
01:21:40.000We've kind of branched out in various ways, but I feel like, in a way, we're expanding to retract.
01:21:46.000So once we figure out what works, we're going to bring it all back in, centralize everything, make it simpler, and it's way more sustainable at that point.
01:23:08.000Do you schedule touring directly by when your harvest season is and how the wineries work?
01:23:15.000Yeah, I mean, luckily, with Tool, we're popular enough to where we can get offers.
01:23:20.000We can do the touring, you know, any time during the year.
01:23:23.000Nothing's going to really adjust or affect how, you know, what we make as a living for doing that touring.
01:23:30.000Something like Pussifer, way harder puzzle.
01:23:34.000It seems smaller, it seems like it's not on the same scale, but in a way it's a more difficult scale because there's less margin for error.
01:23:40.000So when we tour with that, it has to be a very specific way we do it because you've got to make sure that we don't pay to do it, right?
01:23:47.000I just started thinking about that thing you did with, was it Ronda Rousey and who else was in there?
01:27:23.000But I think more than anything, it's just this is the way the world is turning right now because of just...
01:27:29.000How society is set up and how disconnected we are to the natural world and how connected we are to the digital world.
01:27:39.000I don't think there's any way out, but I think in the interim, I feel like an attempt to reconnect is going to help.
01:27:48.000I think generationally there's a way out.
01:27:51.000The problem is for our generation I don't know if there's a way out.
01:27:54.000I think especially people like us that grew up without any sort of internet and then have watched it transform and completely take over the world.
01:28:04.000Whereas the idea of a world without internet is impossible to us.
01:28:29.000Well, they're going to learn from our mistakes.
01:28:31.000They're going to learn from our mistakes and they're going to be people who grew up just like...
01:28:36.000I mean, like every other really fucked up part of human civilization that people have managed to overcome and avoid, whether it's slavery or war with bows and arrows, like, they've figured out, like, that was not the way to do it.
01:29:59.000And they would go there, and Sonny Bono, while he was alive, was trying to figure out a way to detoxify the water and pass bills, because a lot of it is runoff from the agriculture from north.
01:31:32.000You see a lot of guys in Texas that the boar are running wild there, so they'll give you permits and in a helicopter you go over.
01:31:39.000The boar herd that's just destroying agriculture, they'll go over and they'll try to thin them out, but it's like, there's just no stopping it.
01:31:48.000We don't have that much of a problem with the javelina in Arizona, but it is a problem.
01:31:54.000Yeah, well, that's at least a wild, natural animal.
01:33:32.000But they run like no other animal to a predator, because they live in this horrible environment in the desert, and it's all mountain lions and jaguars and whatever the fuck else lives out there.
01:35:30.000The ones that really do well in our greenhouses are the little cherries or little pear tomatoes, those little smaller versions of tomatoes.
01:41:36.000So, congratulations on the release of the tool, entire library, streaming everywhere.
01:41:45.000Congratulations on your vineyards, and your wine, and your yoga studio, and your jiu-jitsu studio, and your fucking crayon company, and your helicopter farm, whatever the fuck else you're doing.
01:41:58.000Is there anything else you need to tell everybody about before we get out of here?