In this episode of the podcast, I catch up with my good friend and long time guest, former Navy SEAL, and current host of the TV show "Into the Void" I sit down with him to talk about his career in the military, his time in the SEALs, and his new TV show he's hosting for the Discovery Network. We also talk about the JFK Assassination and the Kennedy assassination, and how the CIA and other secret organizations work to keep the public in the dark about some of the most important things going on in the world. Special thanks to my friend for being on the podcast and for being a part of this amazing community. I hope you enjoy this episode and have a great rest of your week! Cheers! - The Crew at SEAL Team Six - CHAD'S BONUS CONTENT: - My thoughts on the Kennedy Assassination - JFK and the JFK case - - What's going on with the JFK assassination - How the CIA does it? - Who are they doing the most amazing things in the shadows and how they do it? - What kind of work they do? and much more. - Why they do what they do and why it's so important to them - What makes them do it - and why they're doing it - and what they need to do it. - and how it's important to know about it - we'll talk about it! - and we'll tell you why they should do it! -- and why you should do the most of all of the stuff they do the best they can do it, not only in order to keep it right, but how they should be doing it. -- not only for the public, but because it's cool, but so they can have the most impact on the public and not only the most effective way possible, but also how they can make it the most efficient and most impact they can be most effective, and most importantly, and the impact it can have on their day to make it most impactful, and not just for the most people in the most influential, and they'll have the best possible day to day, and it's most impact, and more importantly, the most rewarding day to do their best, and their most effective day to their day, the best day of their day is the most beautiful day, etc., etc., and the most fun, etc. etc. Thank you for listening!
00:00:45.000Yeah, there's several meetings going on here, but we just finished...
00:00:51.000It's a filming show, a reality show, for, can I say the network?
00:00:57.000They're kind of hinky until we get closer to the air date, which is October, but it's for the Discovery Network, and it's going to be a great show that I'm hosting.
00:01:07.000Why do they not want you to say the name?
00:01:37.000But we're looking at military government organizations that are typically in the shadows.
00:01:44.000We're not releasing any sources and methods.
00:01:46.000We're not disclosing any classified secrets.
00:01:48.000We're talking about elements and units, operational activity, events that before now have pretty much been in the shadows and some incredible people.
00:01:58.000That's one of the best parts about this thing.
00:01:59.000It's been going out there and meeting some of these guys that are doing some of this high-speed shit.
00:02:05.000When they do release things, like, long, long after, like, I was reading something, I forget what the case was about, but it was something about how the files won't be released under the Freedom of Information Act until 2080. How do you...
00:02:32.000And so some information comes to light periodically.
00:02:36.000And so this does look at, this show will be looking at some historic, but a lot of current things that are going on and where the money goes.
00:02:43.000What are we spending our money on when it comes to this high-speed operations that the Special Forces and others are involved in?
00:02:51.000I was lucky to be able to work with, again, some really great people on the production side, but just also going out there and meeting some of these cats.
00:02:59.000The shit that they do, even after being around a while, as I have...
00:03:16.000And sometimes that shit stays on the shelf, right?
00:03:19.000It was like the running joke at the agency at the CIA was, you know, we have a fantastic S&T group, a science and technology group.
00:03:26.000And they're the ones responsible, like Q from Bond, right?
00:03:29.000They're the ones responsible for developing all the gear.
00:03:33.000Responding to specific operational requirements.
00:03:35.000How are we going to do this particular thing?
00:03:36.000Well, let's develop a piece of kit that's going to allow us to do it.
00:03:39.000But the running joke is always that, you know, they'll develop it and they'll show it to you before an operation, but then they'll put it back on the shelf because they don't want that shit getting out there, right, and people finding out that they've got it.
00:03:49.000So they'll give you like a 20-year-old piece of kit to use instead, and you'll be walking around with like a phone the size of a brick.
00:03:56.000Knowing that they've got something high speed on the shelf.
00:03:58.000Well, that's what everybody always thinks.
00:04:00.000Like, when you talk to the average Joe on the street about technology and the government, there was like, dude, the stuff they have that they probably don't tell us about.
00:04:39.000But before you do that, before you get the customers on site and you're going to hopefully obtain some high-value targets there at that location, before you do that, you've got to...
00:05:54.000They've made great strides on it to the point now where in no light conditions, with the right stack database, with the right information in that database, meaning the right amount of information about individuals.
00:06:07.000You're constantly populating this database with new faces or with new photographs of individuals that you're going after.
00:06:14.000With enough of that to sift through, They're getting to the point now with no light conditions that they can identify positively the targets in that room or the targets in that facility or in that building, whatever it might be.
00:06:29.000I read that they can identify people by their heart rate.
00:06:33.000Well, not just their heart rate, but other bio data, right?
00:06:38.000But they can literally, with video, somehow or another, they can zoom in on you with some scanner and recognize that this is a particular individual because of their heart rate.
00:06:49.000There was an article that was written about it, and I know that there's a company...
00:06:54.000H-E-C-S? It's a company that's been used pretty extensively by the scuba diving community and now by the hunting community as well because it blocks the electrical signal that your body gives off.
00:07:16.000And I think they're doing work with the military as well to develop suits that will somehow or another stop someone from being able to recognize your particular heart rate.
00:07:26.000Right, and it does a lot of work on what they call sort of the universal soldier.
00:08:25.000It's all the data that you can acquire for that warfighter.
00:08:29.000How do you create the perfect environment on that individual as he's moving through an environment to, you know, be a more efficient, effective, lethal fighter?
00:08:38.000And, you know, things like that, identifying target, whether it's with a laser, whether it's with low light or no light conditions where you can, as you're rocking up on the target, you can do that.
00:08:48.000All these things, you know, the ability to carry more gear, right?
00:08:53.000Hump it another extra, you know, 10 kilometers, whatever it might be.
00:08:57.000It's pretty incredible what they're doing.
00:09:13.000The idea of this universal soldier thing.
00:09:16.000Have you been paying attention to this Elon Musk Neuralink thing that he's coming out with?
00:09:21.000Where they're going to somehow or another insert fibers into your brain and then have a Bluetooth enabled device that you wear that's going to allow you to somehow or another interface with data at a much higher bandwidth.
00:09:34.000I don't know what the fuck any of those words mean I just said.
00:09:57.000Navigation in their head, like if there's some sort of augmented reality where you could literally see the targets in front of you.
00:10:04.000If you had a map, say if the Pentagon really does have this laser beam, they could identify specific individuals, and you have a map of a building that's in your head.
00:11:43.000Well, I think there's an element of – some of it's not what you would refer to as classified.
00:11:49.000It's just not readily available public information, and it's not out there in the domain because people aren't aware of it or searching for it.
00:11:56.000Some of it does – I think you're right.
00:11:57.000Some of it is – look, the military wants to say at times – Look what we're able to do.
00:12:02.000We're doing this – and oftentimes it's because it's in a sort of a private-public cooperation.
00:12:09.000And so that encourages other companies with innovative technologies to step forward and get involved in some of this.
00:12:17.000And I guess that opens up all sorts of other – some people are out there saying, well, they shouldn't be working with the military.
00:12:24.000This brings me to a point that I think is kind of important where people – We always talk about the military budget and how high the military budget is.
00:12:34.000We need to take some of that money and put it in other places.
00:12:37.000Maybe some of that military money is not being used for the best good of the human race.
00:12:45.000But in order to be able to develop stuff that keeps people safer, in order to develop all the stuff that you're talking about that could potentially save the lives of Soldiers and even innocent civilians because you're going to be able to target the correct people.
00:13:02.000All this stuff seems pretty critical, right?
00:13:42.000Battery technology, anybody walking around with a pacemaker or a defibrillator, you know, in part can thank the agency because what were they doing?
00:13:49.000They were working, they continue to work on battery technology, shrinking those batteries as a power source, what, initially operational purposes so you could, you know, put a transmitter out some site, you know, and, you know, so what are you doing?
00:14:03.000You're eavesdropping on a hostile target or, you know, gathering intelligence.
00:14:08.000But then that effort, all that work that was done, then that later on benefits the general public.
00:14:55.000If you have a good bow, like, see, the way you calculate accuracy with archery is you have a rangefinder, and that rangefinder has built-in adjustments for angle.
00:15:10.000There's angle compensation for up or for down.
00:15:12.000But I don't know if it has it for straight up in the air.
00:15:14.000Because you've got to think, you're judging how much an arrow is going to drop over the course of the flight.
00:15:24.000But with the bullet, obviously, there's less compensation because it's much faster.
00:15:29.000But there's a video that's hilarious of this guy who got tired of this block party in Brazil.
00:15:36.000So he loaded up a drone filled with fireworks, and he hovered it over the block party and started launching bottle rockets down on these guys that are making too much noise.
00:18:40.000And – The technology to create this nowadays, to create a deepfake, which essentially just means you're doctoring a photo or video and making it do what you want it to do to try to convince people of whatever it is.
00:18:56.000Technology is advancing and it's stunning what can be done.
00:22:06.000And imagine if he gave some off-the-cuff financial data on Tesla.
00:22:13.000Talked about it as if he'd just come out of a shareholder call and now he was releasing some information.
00:22:17.000I mean, think about what that means to all of a sudden the stock price of a company if that happens.
00:22:23.000The quality is so far beyond even that now that it can be done by, and we're talking mostly state actors like Russia, and so the problem we're facing now is it's not just, everybody's kind of aware of, you know, sort of the tweeter-verse or whatever,
00:22:39.000Twitter, and the trolls that exist on there and the bots and all of that, but it's the video, the ability to do the video.
00:22:46.000They released one, one was done not too long ago with Nancy Pelosi, And all it did was slow down her speech, just slightly, but just enough to make it sound as if she was slurring her words.
00:23:25.000There's definitely no shenanigans, no legal shenanigans.
00:23:29.000No, there's nothing like that happening up on Capitol Hill.
00:23:34.000It's something that people should watch.
00:23:36.000It's something that people should read up on a little bit, look at it, because the technology is advancing so quickly that the effort to combat it, the effort to detect it, and there are some companies out there, and certainly the government, Is working to do that.
00:23:50.000But the effort to try to identify doctored videos, right, particularly when you're talking about elections, campaigns, it's going to be an increasing problem that we're not really discussing that much.
00:24:05.000Congress is paying a little bit of attention to it right now, but it's really problematic.
00:24:42.000Anyway, they're coming up with ways to try to counter it, but I guess the biggest point is, it sounds like a public service announcement, is people need to be aware of it.
00:24:50.000And they need to be smart about, of course they won't be.
00:24:54.000Everybody goes to the internet and they lose their minds and they believe whatever it is that they read that agrees with their opinion.
00:24:59.000And there's no bothering of checking, you know, whether anything is actually legit anymore or not.
00:25:06.000But that would be my one piece of advice.
00:25:09.000Going into 2020, starting now, pay attention.
00:25:12.000Don't believe anything you see until you prove it.
00:25:14.000And that's part of the problem, too, right?
00:25:46.000I guess what I'm saying is trust but verify, right?
00:25:49.000When you're looking at video of a candidate or you're looking at anything really on the internet now, just be aware of the capabilities.
00:25:57.000Maybe that's a better way of putting all of this because you're right.
00:26:00.000Part of the problem and one of the things that Russia does and others who are involved in this whole propaganda effort One of the things they do want to do is undermine our confidence, obviously, in media.
00:26:10.000So by me saying, don't believe what you see, I'm kind of feeding into that.
00:28:31.000But when they were still aligned, they were busy paying off journalists and buying trade unions and all the rest of it.
00:28:37.000So they're never going to stop what they do because it's worked for them and it's just kind of in their DNA. But isn't that also what the United States does as well?
00:29:15.000Well, you damn well better hope we are, right?
00:29:17.000Because if we backed off and said, you know what, just for the sake of being a righteous individual, we're not going to do any of this shit.
00:29:25.000You would have to be willfully ignorant and naive or just fucking stupid to think that Russia, China, these other actors out there are going to stop also.
00:29:33.000We're all going to hold hands and unicorns are going to be flying out of our ass.
00:29:36.000So, yeah, I mean, I guess the answer to that is always the same, which is, yeah, you better hope we do it, and you better hope we do it well.
00:29:43.000Yeah, but people are nervous about that, right?
00:29:45.000This is my point about the military budget.
00:29:47.000If you just cut the military entirely, well, we're all going to start speaking Chinese because some shit's going to go down.
00:29:53.000You can't just cut the military budget.
00:32:24.000But, yeah, you know, that's why when you go into a government facility, you know, they go at a skiff, you know, you got to leave your phones outside.
00:33:45.000How about you just shut your pie hole and we'll just let this slide.
00:33:50.000Yeah, I don't know that she's—I don't think anybody would—I mean, from an intelligence perspective, she'd be one of the last people you would trust to actually keep her mouth shut over any period of time.
00:34:31.000I was just there last week when he went over to Buckingham Palace and, you know, was asked by the Queen to form the new government and he accepted.
00:35:46.000The dynamic is a little bit like here in the U.S. If you're in the Northeast Corridor, Washington, New York, whatever, Boston, or you're out here on the West Coast, you tend to view the world differently than everything else, the rest of the mass of the country, which is why people lost their minds and they thought,
00:36:50.000Do you really want to have your country, your sovereign nation, run by a bunch of faceless technocrats living in Brussels who have really zero interest in your sovereign nation?
00:37:15.000It's the issue of being run, again, by Brussels.
00:37:18.000And sort of this morass of regulations that they've imposed, the inability for the UK to make their own decisions about trade.
00:37:27.000And so there's a good argument in that regard.
00:37:32.000Is it going to be a financial problem for them?
00:37:34.000It's not going to be a disaster like some people throw out there and say, oh my god, this is going to – The UK is going down the toilet fast.
00:37:41.000That won't happen, but there'll be an upheaval if they leave without a deal.
00:37:46.000But they'll adjust, because people want to do deals, right?
00:39:57.000Instead of watching new shows, I end up re-watching shows that I really liked, that I've watched before, and it's been a while, so I re-watched the first season of Breaking Bad again.
00:41:01.000Think about where we've come since then.
00:41:06.000Again, not to go back into sort of this whole thing with deepfakes.
00:41:11.000But it is – when people talk about Russia collusion and they talk about – we kind of lost our way, right?
00:41:18.000And everybody's kind of guilty of it, whether it's Mueller and his investigative team or whether it's Congress or whether it's just the general public.
00:41:24.000We all kind of lost our way over the past couple of years, imagining somehow that the big story here was – Trump's collusion, right?
00:41:32.000Well, that was a political dodge, right?
00:41:34.000That was a shell game that was being played on us.
00:41:37.000It was the big story is what did Russia specifically do, right?
00:42:14.000So I guess that's why I keep beating on this is that I don't think we really focused our attention where we needed to because we all get lost in this political bullshit.
00:42:22.000Well, I feel like this is the most easily manipulated we've ever been as a culture.
00:42:29.000I think it's so easy to spin these narratives and to get people upset about anything.
00:42:35.000I feel like a lot of these are test cases.
00:42:39.000They're trying to see what happens when we spin up this story.
00:42:42.000How outraged do they get at that story?
00:42:48.000I mean, that thing gets thrown out there now to the point where it's, you know, I hate to say it, but it's almost losing its meaning in a sense, right?
00:44:54.000And one of the things that they had to deal with somewhere along the line was they had to become enforcers for illegal drug marijuana growing.
00:45:25.000That gets sold illegally in this country, in the Midwest and all these different places where it's illegal, is coming out of these grow-ups.
00:45:31.000And a lot of it is tainted with dangerous pesticides because these guys are trying to...
00:45:36.000They're actually using poisons to keep animals from eating the marijuana.
00:45:47.000You don't know what the fuck you're getting.
00:45:48.000And you very well could be smoking pot that's poisoning you.
00:45:51.000Yeah, a guy that I know, a really good guy, he's a huge landowner here in California, to the point where you can spend all day on an ATV and still not get to the end of one of his plots of land.
00:46:04.000I don't know if you call it a plot of land.
00:46:06.000And anyway, he's had those incidents, right?
00:46:09.000He's had where it's such a massive piece of property.
00:46:14.000That a small element from a cartel will set up a grow spot there, and they'll camouflage it.
00:46:45.000Look, I... I feel like we should take those guys and reprogram them.
00:46:50.000You get a guy who's willing to carry a hundred pounds of piping on his back and walk eight miles into the backwoods, that's a fucking industrious individual.
00:46:57.000You gotta lure him away from the cartel with a better deal.
00:47:01.000If that guy worked for a competing corporation, he'd be like, look, I like the way you do business.
00:47:49.000This is not – if anybody imagines this to be a stretch or is going to take offense at this, every nation maintains borders.
00:47:56.000Every nation maintains some element of immigration controls and borders protection.
00:48:02.000The idea that we shouldn't or that we should somehow feel exceptionally bad about it is – I don't quite understand that mentality.
00:48:10.000Well, we should feel bad when we see someone who's just a poor mother who's trying to come over to America to get a better job because she's stuck in Guatemala and it sucks over there and there's no opportunity whatsoever for her to excel.
00:48:22.000That's a different animal than someone who is a member of some fucking terrible cartel gang that comes over here.
00:48:30.000The question is, how do we differentiate and how do we make it so that that woman who's a mom can come over here?
00:48:57.000As strange as it is, the environment, I mean, maybe the fact that he is disruptive and sometimes doesn't seem to give a shit, maybe that's a good thing because it gets us talking and gets us talking in areas that we haven't before and in ways that we haven't before.
00:49:20.000But even business as usual, the concern is like...
00:49:23.000How do you differentiate between someone who's coming in illegally because they want a better life versus someone who's coming in illegally because they're literally going to commit murder and sell fentanyl and deal incredible harm to whatever community they wind up in,
00:49:42.000There's both things that are going on at the same time, and you're a heartless person if you don't want that lady with a child from Guatemala.
00:49:49.000And she's probably going to work as hard, if not harder, than any good, old-fashioned, red-blooded American that's over here trying to make their way through this world.
00:49:56.000And why should we be able to have this opportunity when they can't?
00:49:59.000One of the beautiful things about America, right, is that if you're a poor person and you live in Baltimore, you can get your shit together and get out, and you can move to maybe Silicon Valley.
00:50:08.000You can move somewhere where there's more prosperity, there's more opportunity, and you can get something...
00:50:12.000I'm sorry, are there poor people in Baltimore?
00:50:37.000Both parties use different strategies.
00:50:40.000But the Dems have obviously decided in this period of time, because it's so intense, There was clearly discussions within wherever, the DNC or elsewhere, that this is our policy.
00:50:51.000And you just keep hammering that word, racist, racist, racist, no matter what.
00:50:56.000And it's going to stick, and it does, because you get hit by that hammer, and you kind of – We're good to go.
00:51:32.000Look at the issue of border security and enhance your ability to understand who's coming across the border.
00:51:40.000It costs money and it requires effort, but you can do both.
00:51:45.000I think you can do both, but I think the real big picture, the real big picture, if you had to look at the solution objectively, the real problem is Mexico has...
00:51:56.000Like, real economic situations that we don't have here in America.
00:51:59.000They're far worse off in a lot of the areas.
00:52:02.000And as is Guatemala, as is El Salvador.
00:52:06.000Neighboring countries are economically devastated.
00:52:09.000Until they are not, until they come up, until they experience prosperity, you're always going to have people that are committing crime because they want to try to get by, and you're always going to have people that are going to want to try to get to America because it's a place where there's more opportunity.
00:52:37.000I mean it's not just based around immigration, but it's more control of your own nation's security and destiny, etc.
00:52:43.000But I think that that's – you could argue that national security from a U.S. perspective – Would warrant improving your ability to impact nations like Guatemala, El Salvador, wherever, and working with Mexico to not just improve sort of the security,
00:53:02.000the liaison that goes on and improving that, but you're right.
00:53:05.000I mean, working conditions, criminal, you know, or crime and instability, that's in our national security.
00:53:12.000I know people get, you know, they get very upset.
00:53:13.000They say, why should we give countries money?
00:54:06.000We've ignored Latin America, Central America, South America for decades, which is how we ended up in part with Chavez and Maduro to follow and some of the horseshit that went on down there because we ignored it.
00:54:49.000But I really think, in the interest of national security, legalizing marijuana federally would stop the profitability of these gang members, because you'd be able to have legal marijuana.
00:54:59.000You wouldn't need to buy it in these other places.
00:55:02.000You'd be able to grow it yourself, and the price would drop through the fucking floor.
00:55:08.000And it would be not profitable for these guys to haul three miles of pipe on their back and into the backcountry and use someone else's land to make these grow-ups.
00:55:16.000And one of the reasons why they're doing this, particularly in California, I found out, is that when marijuana became legal in California, these illegal grow-ups became a misdemeanor rather than a felony.
00:56:59.000Well, private prisons in a nutshell are pretty fucking gross.
00:57:02.000Yeah, private prisons is something that, you know, and there have been, I mean, again, with this current administration, you know, there's been some prison reform issues that have been making their way through, right?
00:57:12.000They've been actually focused on it to some degree.
00:58:12.000And, you know, the highest possible standards, the best quality, no pesticides, herbicides, no bullshit, super pure.
00:58:19.000And the CBD, which is fantastic for everybody's health.
00:58:22.000And I just, back when I first started working for the UFC, there were people that worked for the organization that didn't like it that I smoked pot.
00:58:29.000They were like, why is he smoking pot?
00:58:34.000Well, I mean, I will tell you this, apropos of nothing.
00:58:38.000I've gotten calls, a couple of calls, from people in the industry who are saying, and the only reason they're calling me is they're saying, can you hook me up with Joe?
00:58:47.000It's like we hang out together all the time, of course, right?
00:58:49.000Because we're always hanging out in the pool together, Joe and I. So I said, no, look, dude, that's not my job.
01:00:04.000Speaking of creepy, what's going on with Iran caught a bunch of people that they are claiming are CIA informants and they may execute them?
01:00:18.000Look, Iran is – hey, a couple of parts of this.
01:00:22.000That's one of the heaviest lifts in the business has been intel collection on Iran over the years.
01:00:26.000I'm not talking about just recently, but over the years it's been very difficult.
01:00:30.000They are extremely buttoned up over there, and they have an incredible level of control over their population, which is – at some point you would think, well, maybe the population is going to object to this, but it hasn't happened yet.
01:00:46.000So part of it is they came out with this, I think, 17 individuals that they claim were cooperating with the CIA in some fashion or another.
01:00:54.000And they claimed that they were fairly high-level individuals.
01:01:00.000IFA, I don't believe anything that comes out of their mouths.
01:01:04.000I think they've got a long, long track record of lying about a variety of things.
01:01:09.000And so, you know, why would they come out with this?
01:01:13.000You know, perhaps they're cracking down and it doesn't hurt to come out and if you're going after some of these individuals anyway, why not?
01:01:20.000Put the paintbrush on them that they're working for the CIA and that will appease some of the population there.
01:01:30.000It has been a difficult intel task, and collecting intelligence on their efforts with their ballistic missiles, their nuke program as well, has always been problematic.
01:01:41.000But again, they've done this before where they've talked about how we've wrapped up a CIA spying network, and it's kind of horseshit.
01:01:59.000We've had networks wrapped up before by other countries.
01:02:03.000Cuba, the Cuban Intel Service years ago, which was completely built by the Russians, by the way, by the old KGB. They owned and operated the Cuban Intel Service for a long time, still do.
01:02:15.000They, at one point, wrapped up pretty much everybody we had on island and elsewhere.
01:02:21.000So how many people did we have over there?
01:02:39.000Russia's, you know, done the same when we've, usually when, with Russia, usually when we've got a traitor or a mole, you know, somebody like Robert Hansen, Jim Nicholson, Ed Lee Howard.
01:02:51.000I've never seen that show, The Americans...
01:02:52.000From what I understand, it's a good show.
01:02:54.000It was a show based on the idea that at one point in time there was a Russian family that had come over here and infiltrated and became American citizens and seemed like, you know, Joe and Mary next door.
01:03:21.000The reason The Americans was created was written, as do a lot of things do, based on some smart writer who sees an opportunity because he reads a newspaper article.
01:03:29.000Years back, 2011, I think it was, we had a sleeper cell that we wrapped up in Jersey.
01:04:40.000These were not the heads of the organization, right?
01:04:43.000So their job is spot people, live there, be social, meet people that might be of interest.
01:04:49.000Maybe it turns out that somebody in the PTA where your kids go to school, maybe somebody's working for Raytheon or they're working for some interesting company.
01:05:16.000Think of one that, because the application could be Corning, could be anything.
01:05:19.000I mean, there's all sorts of companies out there that have applications that may be of interest from an Intel perspective for a hostile state.
01:05:25.000So then, you know, they do a little assessment, and maybe they come away and go, yeah, yeah, that person's interesting job.
01:05:30.000Let's develop a little relationship there.
01:05:32.000Now, maybe one of those individuals will work on that relationship, or maybe somebody else will come in within this group, and they'll develop a relationship.
01:05:43.000And then maybe they'll task the person.
01:05:45.000So maybe – say the guy works at a tech company, and you're going to think, okay, I want to see if this person has any weaknesses.
01:05:52.000How – You know, can I leverage anything here?
01:05:55.000And so what you'll say is, you know, my kid, you know, is doing this school paper and it's on, you know, something and I can't, you know, they're just not getting in it or they're not doing the research or whatever.
01:06:08.000Do you have anything, you know, and you're not asking for anything classified.
01:06:11.000You're just saying, look, you work in a tech company, you know, don't you have Something that would be of interest, you know, my kid's got to write this stupid paper, and you're not looking for anything of intel value.
01:06:21.000You're looking to see whether they'll accommodate you, right?
01:06:24.000Will they actually come back and go, yeah, well, you know what, we got this, and it's kind of interesting, and it's this research paper that's been out in the press for a long time, but yeah, it's interesting, hey, you know.
01:07:00.000They hang out with other stay-at-home spouses and create friendships because of kids, and the next thing you know, you're all having dinners with each other.
01:07:05.000Well, like that Russian broad, she's banging everybody, right?
01:08:33.000But I don't think anybody's succeeded, but there's been a ton of guys from England that have come over here, and they do very well on the American pool tour.
01:08:42.000Yeah, but you know what we do better on is bowling.
01:10:27.000He plays, and he just constantly—all he wants to do is play.
01:10:30.000And so we've got to the point where, you know, for a long time, we'd go out, we'd go to court at home, and I'd play, and I'd kind of let him—and then it gets to the point where I can't really beat him.
01:13:01.000You see it in the UFC. When there's older brothers and younger brothers, the older brothers generally pick on the younger brothers, and the younger brothers, once they reach adulthood, almost always can fuck up the older brothers.
01:14:56.000And I know that they're doing that in regards to modems and a bunch of other things as well, but it appears at least, and a lot of companies are exclusively using their 5G modems as 5G rolls out.
01:15:21.000With the global reach of Huawei, of that importance to the Chinese state, and think about them saying, trying to say with a straight face, we wouldn't do things that the Chinese government might ask us to do.
01:15:48.000They've been called out in Europe to the degree where, at a certain point, you think, Germany and others that are deeply involved with Huawei now in terms of the 5G infrastructure, where they've just made this decision.
01:16:03.000Look, it's financially better for us to work with Huawei, and we can set aside the security risks.
01:16:42.000And, you know, our calculation has to be different.
01:16:45.000So we've been going at it, and I think it's been pretty well covered.
01:16:49.000It didn't used to be covered very well, but it's been pretty well covered over the past couple of months.
01:16:53.000And now what's happening is we've been in these trade negotiations with China, and I think...
01:16:59.000Unfortunately, I think the current administration, the Trump administration, is going to blink.
01:17:04.000And I think that because Huawei is such a huge issue for the Chinese, and the idea that we would prevent our companies from selling into or purchasing from or dealing with, and that we would have sanctions on other countries that do,
01:17:19.000they view that as such a threat to their own interests and their own future that Huawei is front and center with any trade deal.
01:17:32.000They're not doing any trade deal unless we make concessions on Huawei.
01:17:34.000And I have a feeling the Trump administration is going to make those concessions because, from a political perspective, they want a trade deal.
01:17:40.000And so far they've actually said to Google that Google's going to stop using the Android operating system for the Chinese phones, for Huawei's phones at least.
01:17:49.000They're going to not let them license out the...
01:17:54.000At least rumored to be in production of their own operating system, which would mean they would have to have their own, not just operating system, but they'd have to have their own ecosystem.
01:18:03.000So they'd have to have an app store, they'd have to have all the jazz that we have today.
01:18:08.000If you buy an Android phone, you have access to the Google Play market, which is this huge resource of applications.
01:18:15.000And as soon as you take that away, you've got to kind of rebuild that whole thing from scratch.
01:18:21.000Well, Huawei doesn't lack anything in resources.
01:18:24.000You know, they'll be fine, you know, because the state will provide and ensure that they have the resources they need.
01:18:29.000They also, you know, we're the outlier here, right?
01:18:33.000I mean, we've been working with New Zealand and Canada and, you know, the UK to some degree, but the UK has been, you know, they've been kind of pushing back a little bit on this idea that we're going to isolate Huawei.
01:19:06.000The way to put this would be, imagine a communications network that spans the globe.
01:19:12.000And Huawei builds and provides gear, and certainly going into 5G, they're a leading provider, and then financially they can offer countries much better deals than other providers.
01:19:29.000But they are an intricate part of that communications web.
01:19:35.000So if you imagine that Huawei is a state-sponsored entity and will respond to Chinese authorities' requests for information or intelligence that's passing through this communications web around the globe, our business communications,
01:19:52.000our military communications, intelligence communications that all kind of go through at some point this interconnected system, That's the problem, because they're essentially building backdoors into that system that allow them to suck communications out of that network and use it for their own purposes.
01:20:12.000It's a great intelligence tool, right?
01:20:15.000So if you think about it in a way, basically it's a...
01:20:20.000It's an advancement on the idea that you are wiretapping somebody or, you know, you've created an ability to intercept some communications, right?
01:20:28.000They link themselves with the EU. Well, what happens?
01:20:30.000We've got military communications, right, with the EU. Our military talks to the EU military and we've got NATO concerns and everything.
01:20:37.000So if there's an element in that infrastructure that touches in and has a door that opens to some Huawei gear, right, then the danger here is, and they've We've had backdoors discovered in the past and then Huawei puts their hands up and go, oh, well, we didn't know that was there.
01:20:58.000When I say how aggressive they are in terms of sucking up information, I can't overstate it, right?
01:21:05.000And so that's why it's a problem for us is because – You know, if we convince Australia and, you know, the Five Eyes nations, New Zealanders, and others, not to work with Huawei, and then, say, Canada,
01:21:21.000you know, which is willing to do a deal, well, we've got seamless communications infrastructure with Canada.
01:21:26.000So, all of a sudden, the fact that they're doing business with Huawei, but we're not, we're still at risk.
01:21:32.000We're still in jeopardy, because that information is still flowing to some degree where it's accessible to Huawei.
01:21:39.000And I know people listen to that and they go, why is that of any concern?
01:21:45.000Well, it's a concern because it used to be in the old days it was us and the Russians, Soviet Union.
01:21:53.000Russia's, you know, they got the GDP of a small EU nation.
01:23:22.000A lot of people say bullshit, but everyone has got different experiences.
01:23:27.000Well, is there a way to detect, like when they release, say if they release a Huawei phone, which is really interesting that just a few years ago, Huawei was not even a major player by any stretch of the imagination.
01:23:40.000Now it's the number two cell phone provider in the world, past Apple.
01:23:46.000Which is incredible when you consider the fact that they barely have a foothold in the American market.
01:23:51.000Very few people buy their phones, and if they do buy their phones, they buy unlocked phones from overseas.
01:24:15.000Yeah, it's a good question, but I would say that as long as we continue what we're doing in terms of counterintelligence and tech advances and efforts in cyberspace and elsewhere and certainly in communications hardware...
01:25:04.000So, yeah, I mean, anyway, but that's Huawei, and I do think that the interesting part will be what does the administration do in their desire to get...
01:25:15.000Because they put their foot down, right?
01:25:17.000And now, because we're so dysfunctional here in the States from a political perspective, now you've got people like Chuck Schumer going, well, Trump better not blink on this.
01:25:44.000But this is something that people didn't even understand was an issue, like, nationally.
01:25:49.000This is something that no one was even aware of until a few months ago, and when I started reading about it, one of the first things that I was reading about was, you know, I'm kind of a technology nerd, and so I was fascinated by some of their newest phones, which were really far advanced to what you're getting offered in the United States.
01:26:06.000Yeah, and a lot of that ability to create in record time comes from theft of intellectual property.
01:26:16.000Yeah, and that's how they, over the years, again, that was a collective decision by the authorities there, that this is how we're going to advance, right?
01:26:24.000They looked and they'd make a calculation that says we can't afford to wait decades while we do our own research and development.
01:26:44.000There are, but Huawei has been, because of their size and their connection to the government, and because of the resources that the government's been willing to provide to them, the advantage that they have, And the speed with which they were able to kind of embed themselves into other nations' telecommunications infrastructure,
01:27:05.000that's why they're so important, right?
01:27:08.000Are there other companies we – well, of course, yeah.
01:27:10.000I mean there's a variety of companies we should be worried about from that perspective.
01:27:13.000And it's not – look, to be fair, I spent some time on China because it's just – they're the number one state-sponsored perpetrator of theft of intellectual property.
01:27:21.000But there's other countries involved in it.
01:27:50.000No rule of law, of no protection when it comes to intellectual property, all these things and their aggressiveness and stealing information.
01:29:10.000All the Apple stuff's getting built over there now.
01:29:12.000There was just a recent story where Tim Cook was trying to get Trump to back down off of some tariffs because they're going to have a 25% tariff on some Apple products that they're building in China.
01:33:07.000And if that's how they're going to do it, they're going to get in through the back door and get information through phones and modems and...
01:33:14.000And it may not be something that they worry about now in terms of access.
01:33:19.000I mean, people say, well, why do they want the access now?
01:33:22.000I mean, imagine a conflict in the future where they have that ability, right, either to real-time monitor communications through this network that they've been able to build trapdoors into, you know, or to impact the flow of communication more aggressively, more proactively to do things.
01:33:38.000You know, it's like mapping out our infrastructure, right?
01:33:43.000The testing, the probing that goes on of our electrical grid is an example.
01:33:48.000I mean, that's just planning for the future in the event that something bad is going to happen.
01:33:52.000If there's going to be a conflict, you know, they want to know, as do we.
01:33:56.000I mean, again, to your point that, you know, hopefully we're doing the same stuff.
01:34:12.000It's the possible alliance between Russia and China, and it's an interesting dynamic.
01:34:18.000Traditionally, Russia and China haven't been together.
01:34:21.000There have always been some areas of concern, you know, distrust.
01:34:28.000But there are signs, there are things happening that appear as if China and Russia have made a strategic decision to align themselves closer.
01:34:37.000And that would be because they've made that determination that somehow it's in their best interests.
01:34:42.000You know, and not necessarily that it's going to be that way for any long period of time, but right now in the current environment, you see Russia Acting as if what they want is a stronger alliance, military alliance and political alliance, economic alliance with China.
01:34:59.000And it's an interesting dynamic that we need to be watching, we need to be aware of.
01:35:08.000Again, this idea that there was this Russia-Trump collusion and thinking, okay, well, that's good, except our relations with Russia haven't been this bad in a long time.
01:35:19.000So maybe it's all a very clever mind game that they're playing because they're closely aligned, but I don't think so.
01:35:27.000So we've actually laid on more significant sanctions on Russia We've attacked them from an energy perspective in terms of our ability to create our independence, particularly from natural gas.
01:35:46.000So I think there's reasons why they're gravitating towards China right now.
01:35:50.000But this idea that somehow Trump is super friendly and is a useful idiot of Putin, it doesn't play out when you look at the reality of the relationship between the two countries.
01:36:00.000The whole Russian collusion thing is a very confusing narrative because on one hand you have the Democrats who are saying without doubt there's Russian collusion and then the other side you have the Republicans who say the Mueller report essentially exonerated Trump.
01:36:17.000From being a part of any sort of Russian collusion.
01:36:19.000I don't think either one is totally accurate.
01:36:21.000I think there's a lot of weird gray in both narratives.
01:36:25.000I think the Democrat narrative is easier to understand.
01:36:29.000It just makes sense from their perspective.
01:36:35.000To this day, they're just still amazed that they lost, and so there must be some grander reason why, because clearly we couldn't lose to this guy.
01:36:43.000And it was also a talking point, much less, you know, let's hit everybody with the racist hammer.
01:36:49.000It's a talking point, and it's worked for them over at least the first couple of years.
01:36:53.000On the Republican side, Look, the Russians knew what they were doing, right?
01:37:01.000They were fucking with the election on several different levels.
01:37:04.000It wasn't just trolling through the internet.
01:37:06.000It wasn't, you know, just placing stories that they could.
01:37:09.000It wasn't just trying to foment, you know, divisiveness and discontent.
01:37:13.000It was also doing these little dangle things, you know, where they're looking to see, are they going to bite?
01:37:22.000I mean, if we saw that In the commercial side of things, you know, I've got a business in global intelligence and research and security, that thing was just, there was nothing, it was shot full of holes, right?
01:37:34.000And so you think, well, what's, somebody should have asked, tell me about your sources, you know, why are your sources talking?
01:37:41.000What was, you know, you've got to, anytime you've got a piece of intelligence, right, you've got to do a few basic things, you know, where'd it come from?
01:37:47.000Can you explain to people what the Steele dossier was all about?
01:37:50.000Yeah, it was basically just – look, they were going after opposition research, political opposition research, right?
01:37:55.000So Christopher Steele, who was a paid, hired consultant, used to be with British intelligence, not a James Bond type, but a decent enough by all accounts, a decent enough guy.
01:38:08.000But he entered the world of private sector information gathering, right?
01:38:13.000And I've got a company that's what we do all around the world.
01:38:16.000And you can't relax your standards just because you're now in the commercial sector, right?
01:38:23.000When you get a piece of information, you need to test that piece of information.
01:38:27.000And one of the first things you need to do is understand what's the sourcing for it?
01:38:35.000And why, by the way, are they providing this information?
01:38:38.000And how did it eventually make its way to this report?
01:38:41.000And those are the sort of simple things that whether you're a corporation that's gathering intelligence about a market that you may enter with an investment, Or whether you're still in the business and you're an intel officer and you're talking to a source that works in some foreign ministry somewhere,
01:38:58.000you've got to be able to stress test the intelligence.
01:40:14.000But you'd be hard-pressed to argue that they were working against Hillary Clinton, who had said, you know, we want to have a reset and have a new relationship with Russia and work with them.
01:40:56.000We've spent years now just bitching at each other and yelling and screaming and complaining and we bought into it because we all, like we talked about before, we all were easily duped.
01:41:06.000And I don't know how you get around that.
01:41:24.000Then you gotta make an effort to try to keep it, right?
01:41:27.000And part of that is being an informed public and understanding what hostile elements may be out there, you know, without being paranoid, but just understand why they're doing things in the way that the world operates.
01:41:37.000And you'll always have that group of people that don't buy into any of that bullshit and think we should all be holding hands.
01:41:53.000When you've talked to people that have seen terrible things that take place all around the world, that narrative is hard to swallow.
01:42:00.000When you read about these gang members that are coming in and growing pot and fucking shooting at people, they've got these high-level task force just to deal with these cartel members that are growing weed.
01:42:12.000And that's just one part of what they're doing, right?
01:42:14.000That's just human trafficking and everything else that they get involved in, extortion.
01:42:18.000Ventanile, which is probably the scariest.
01:42:22.000And that's what you have to worry about.
01:42:23.000If you push them out of the market because you legalize everything, which I'd assume that's kind of the direction we're going, then do they fill that gap, again, from a revenue perspective with fentanyl or something else, whatever the next choice is?
01:42:54.000You can't kill your way out of it, right?
01:42:55.000It doesn't mean you shouldn't make a good-faith effort.
01:42:57.000But for the drug control, for the narcotics, counter-narcotics...
01:43:04.000Part of it is what we talked about also about working with the other governments, right?
01:43:08.000We've had some success in doing that, where you work with the Mexican authorities, you work with Colombians or out in Southeast Asia, you know, to try to, you know, push back on the heroin trade.
01:43:28.000And it's unsatisfying because you don't see an immediate return sometimes.
01:43:33.000And it's also, it sometimes seems like it's just a big, you know, bottomless pit where you're tossing money, right, and effort and resources.
01:43:41.000But it's something that has to be done.
01:43:43.000It doesn't mean you shouldn't still do it.
01:43:47.000I mean, corruption in a place like Mexico, where the people just don't have any faith in the institutions because they've lived in this system for so long where all the officials, in their minds anyway, are corrupt.
01:44:14.000I mean, it's odd, but that's a large organization, and they've been able to kind of stay above the fray to some degree, which is interesting.
01:44:22.000I have no idea, but it's been the perception, and for the most part, it's true.
01:44:28.000When you work down there, often enough, you do get that impression, but it's how do you get rid of that endemic corruption in that society and turn that public perception around?
01:44:42.000I mean, look what happened in the previous administration when they seriously went after cartel members.
01:44:47.000Remember that spree of violence that they kicked off?
01:44:50.000It was in part because the Mexican authorities were going after cartels in a more serious manner, right?
01:44:56.000Previous to that, they were managing the problem.
01:44:58.000So they said, okay, look, let's manage down the violence, and we'll let you keep doing your business.
01:45:03.000It's going to happen, so you guys do your business, but just, you know, let's keep sort of public order, you know, as something that we want to demonstrate that we're capable of.
01:45:12.000And when they went after the cartels in a more serious manner, that's when that real harsh spree of violence kicked off.
01:45:20.000And, you know, there was more headroom, so these various members were, you know, they were combating each other, and they were going after the public.
01:45:27.000They understood that they had to, you know, basically wear down the public, which is what happened.
01:45:32.000The public said, after a while, they said, fuck it, we can't deal with this.
01:45:56.000Well, the most ridiculous aspect was that Fast and the Furious deal where they were literally selling drugs to the cartels so they could track them.
01:46:05.000And those drugs were used to eventually kill some U.S. officers.
01:46:16.000Those guns that they used, they did kill officers, right?
01:46:20.000Yeah, there was an officer in particular that was killed, and the Fast and Furious, anytime you talk about as part of an intelligence collection effort, right, or a law enforcement effort, that you're going to supply the hostile element with weapons or whatever it may be,
01:46:40.000it's probably going to go sideways, right?
01:46:44.000But that seems like a great way to cover the fact that you were selling guns.
01:46:49.000I mean, if I was really skeptical, I would say, well, what are you going to do?
01:47:41.000Yeah, that source is method shit, but it's, going back to Mexico, and how do you resolve that?
01:47:52.000Because that impacts, again, that impacts us, it impacts our national security, right?
01:47:55.000Well, they're literally connected to us.
01:47:58.000We're so concerned with Afghanistan and Iraq, they're nowhere near us, and we've got this thing connected to us that's literally filling this country with illegal drugs.
01:49:08.000But then you're conflicted because you think of all those people that fought and died over there and the effort that other people came back with horrible wounds and the trauma of all of that.
01:49:20.000You know, I feel somewhat conflicted because then you talk about, you know, you don't want to minimize what they did, right, for the country.
01:49:31.000But you also have an obligation, I think, to look at policy and what did we do and what was the purpose of it?
01:49:55.000When we think about nation building, we think that we can go in there and establish democracy and these people are going to be better and they're going to be able to go to school and it's going to change the whole environment.
01:50:08.000If we just make Iraq a bastion of democracy, then maybe it'll help to turn the tide in the Middle East and suddenly everyone will have more of a respect for individual liberties and rights and all the rest of that.
01:50:47.000We want a Russia problem, along with Iran.
01:50:49.000There's a nasty piece of work there, as an axis goes.
01:50:55.000Russia had no intention of letting Assad go.
01:50:58.000We should have been able to figure that one out.
01:51:00.000But we didn't, and in part because we have these impulses that say, well, we're going to do better, and because we're going to create this ability for people to create their own democracy.
01:51:13.000So, yeah, so anyway, Syria is, again, one of those places that nobody really wants to discuss or talk about.
01:51:35.000Yeah, I mean, the last article I read about North Korea was about how did Kim Jong-un get his Mercedes, since there's some sort of a boycott or an embargo.
01:51:45.000Yeah, well, and that's another part of it, is...
01:51:50.000Although we've been more successful, I will say this, we've been more successful than in the past, and part of that is a technology issue.
01:51:57.000We've gotten better at imposing and enforcing sanctions than we used to be, and part of that is because our abilities to understand the movement of money Tracking transactions is better than it used to be.
01:52:12.000So the sanctions, as an example, we put on Iran.
01:52:16.000This is the most difficult time that this regime has faced in Iran since the fall of the Shah.
01:52:24.000And it's because we've gotten better at looking at Russia, China in particular, that traditionally always kind of circumvented the sanctions.
01:52:36.000And we're better at working with the EU and pressuring them, right?
01:52:39.000I mean, so that's a good thing, but I don't know where that's going, you know?
01:52:45.000I mean, Iran is kind of flailing about a little bit.
01:52:48.000They seized a tanker, you know, a British tanker.
01:52:50.000They actually seized a couple, but they're holding on to one.
01:52:53.000In response to – they were trying to ship a bunch of oil over to Syria against sanctions that exist, right?
01:53:00.000So they had a tanker that was taking 2 million barrels or whatever of oil over to Syria and the British in the territorial waters of Gibraltar intercepted that ship.
01:53:42.000And I know people say, well, we shouldn't have gotten out of the deal and we shouldn't have this issue anyway because it's Trump's fault for getting out of the deal.
01:53:51.000But again, I don't have a lot of confidence in them sticking to the terms and agreements of any deal because they've never done it in the past.
01:54:00.000There's always been effort and they've always broken it.
01:54:48.000So when we heard about it, what we're hearing in the news from the people that are opposed to the deal is that Trump broke this deal and he was foolhardy to do so, that Obama had put in place this deal and that Trump had broke it and it sort of leaves us in this terrible quagmire.
01:55:03.000But what you're saying is that the deal was terrible.
01:55:06.000And that it didn't really give us access to understand exactly what their nuclear program was, what their military program was.
01:55:16.000If the way that you judge the value of a deal, and this is what the previous administration, the Obama administration did, was to talk about how it's important that we verify and we've got verification.
01:55:28.000Well, yeah, you've got verification of the sites that the Iranians agreed to let us look at.
01:55:57.000But there's no – if you just keep things as they were, there's no incentive for the Iranian regime to make any concessions or improve it.
01:56:04.000So the point being is we're trying to force them back to the negotiating table.
01:56:08.000And again, given that their self-interest is to stay in power – And remain in charge, then, you know, with the economy and the condition that it's in currently, if it gets much worse and they feel as if they're losing a grip on the population, then I suspect they will come.
01:57:25.000Polemic figure because he's – so many people just hate him that any opportunity to have some sort of political talking point against him sort of confuses what the actual issue is itself.
01:57:41.000I mean I think it's no doubt he's – yeah.
01:57:43.000I think what happens is both sides – We lose in this one because the Democrats just sort of blindly, you know, accuse him of everything's bad, right?
01:57:55.000And no matter what he's doing, no matter what policy is, it's all bad, right?
01:57:58.000And so that's not where you want to be.
01:58:00.000And on the Republican side, you know, you tend to think that that's the case.
01:58:06.000You know, you don't have an honest, intelligent discussion about policy.
01:58:13.000You have an honest map of the landscape.
01:58:49.000But she went for a job up in Capitol Hill.
01:58:52.000And it was not a direct hire, meaning the office had to go through the other offices to get approval to hire an individual to fill this position.
01:59:01.000And because the House is controlled by Democrats now, she was – everybody looked and said, yeah, she's a top candidate.
01:59:13.000Well, what happened was they submitted her details that we want to hire this person to this office within Capitol Hill controlled by the Democrats now because it's a House majority.
01:59:26.000And they came back and said, no, because you know why?
01:59:29.000Because she did an internship in the current administration, right?
01:59:33.000So a young person wanting to work in D.C. in policy and security studies and elsewhere, Doing a variety of internships around the globe, does an internship at the White House.
01:59:46.000Normally you would think that's a good thing, right?
01:59:47.000So they said, no, because she did this internship at the White House, we're not going to approve the hiring.
01:59:53.000And then it turns – well, she did an internship in Bill de Blasio's office too, right?
02:00:54.000And I was going to ask you this about foreign policy, because as a guy who has been involved in the CIA for as long as you have and has seen all the inner workings of government and all the conflict, and do you ever feel like you just...
02:01:09.000We're just running up a 70 degree sand dune that you're never going to get to the top of.
02:05:13.000You want to open up the borders, and you want to take all the money from everybody that's a hard-working American and give it to all the poor people and fuck you.
02:05:21.000And it's like the arguments just get so confused.
02:06:06.000And I think what's happening is the people that count in the primary, that's a completely different bag than what goes on in the general.
02:06:18.000I think the people that are in the primary right now, all those people that are going to be voting in the primary, they're watching these debates, as an example, or they're just watching the daily Twitter feed from these people, the candidates, and they're thinking, can I see this person debating Trump, right?
02:06:34.000But not only are the policies that these candidates are spouting are moving further and further to the left, which is going to make it harder when the general election comes to shift to the center.
02:06:44.000They're not going to be able to do it, right?
02:06:45.000That center is now shifted further to the left if they even make the effort to get back there.
02:06:51.000You know, you're getting sort of like the worst instincts coming out from these candidates because they think, well, I got to show that I can throw a firebomb here because they're looking at me as, you know, can I debate Trump, right?
02:07:02.000And so you're going to get somebody who's not – so I don't think Tulsi Gabbard is going to make it because I think they're going to make that calculation.
02:07:08.000I think that you're probably going to look in there.
02:07:10.000You're going to end up with Harris or maybe Warren.
02:10:13.000And then there's people that want to challenge Trump, which is hilarious.
02:10:15.000Well, I think there's going to be—we're going to lose a lot of these folks after this next round of debates, which I guess tonight, tomorrow night.
02:10:37.000That was a great moment, and then it was an interesting fight.
02:10:41.000And I thought, I wasn't quite sure at the end where it was going to go, but I liked, I've watched Pacquiao over the years, and it's kind of that typical, you know, you get older and you're kind of rooting for the old guy, right?
02:12:08.000I think he got a cortisone shot and said, I'm just going to try to fight on.
02:12:11.000And then he wound up getting shoulder surgery.
02:12:13.000And then from then on, after rehab, looks fantastic.
02:12:17.000That's really interesting, though, the concept of could you push through a class action lawsuit with an athlete who is in that position, right?
02:13:16.000He dominated Tyron Woodley, which is even crazier.
02:13:18.000But then Woodley went into that fight injured as well.
02:13:20.000I mean, it's just the nature of the beast.
02:13:22.000If your job is to hurt people and break their bodies, you're going to have to practice breaking bodies along the way, and you're going to have to practice it with people that are trying to break your body, and occasionally they succeed.
02:14:07.000All right, and tell me when your show comes out so I can let the people know.
02:14:10.000Maybe you can come back on again whenever it actually...
02:14:12.000If you wouldn't mind, once they give me the go-ahead, because apparently I'm prescribed from talking about it, but when they give me the go-ahead, you won't be able to get it to shut up.