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00:01:18.000The internet is filled with funny fucking people, man.
00:01:20.000There's a lot of frustrated comedians out there that get to express themselves occasionally in comments.
00:01:27.000I sometimes answer because I feel like I'm let off the hook a little bit because it's not like I'm making a post calling somebody a dipshit, but I can say a comment and it kind of sneaks through.
00:04:10.000A good day where you get moving and you get your legs pumping and you get huffing and puffing and you get your heart rate up and you sweat and then afterwards you feel great and you go, okay, tomorrow I'm going to do it again.
00:04:39.000Yeah, I mean, it builds that momentum, and the journey of a thousand miles begins with one step, and that one step is one day, or maybe the first step on your first run.
00:04:49.000But I see that all the time, too, because I genuinely enjoy working hard, and so I am smiling.
00:05:06.000And so it's like, I don't know if you beat them into submission finally, but whatever the case is, For whatever reason people get out there, they do.
00:05:16.000And then it starts that journey, like you said, towards a different life, essentially.
00:05:21.000I joke around about it on stage, about accidentally influencing dudes.
00:05:27.000But there is a certain amount of responsibility that you have to assume when that starts happening.
00:05:35.000When you do have a positive impact on people, you realize, like, hey, you know, this...
00:05:41.000This show, having people like you and Jocko and Andy Stumpf and all kinds of interesting, fascinating people on, directly influences people's lives for the better and changes the way they view things for the better.
00:05:54.000And it also gives them the opportunity to hear from people the way people think that maybe they would never get to meet these people in real life.
00:06:03.000They would never get to know these people.
00:06:05.000But they feel like they know you or them or who...
00:06:07.000You know, that's the one thing I love about Jocko, too, is, you know, just the shot of his watch every day.
00:06:14.000I mean, you know he's up at 4.30 and he's getting it done.
00:06:22.000And he's just— And that's—I think that accountability is probably accountability for him, but also it's like the people know, okay, hey, this is what we need to expect of ourselves.
00:07:44.000Well, that's why I love the fact that he, at 45 years of age, or 46, whatever he is, decided to get into bow hunting hardcore, and a year in, he's taking on this crazy elk hunt.
00:12:59.000Joel Turner has that Shot IQ website, and he goes over, and he helped me a lot, because he goes over the difference between a closed loop and an open loop process.
00:13:09.000I always forget which one is which, but one of them is automatic.
00:13:13.000You know, like a ball comes at you, you swing a bat.
00:14:05.000Well, and I remember, and I said this at that time, but I remember your follow through.
00:14:10.000It was just like, so I remember that arm coming back and it was just, I don't know.
00:14:15.000It's, you know, and I think that's where a lot of people make mistakes is if you're new in it and there's so much pressure in the moment, in that moment, and you've thought about it for so long that it's just like, The pin goes on the animal and they punch the trigger because they want to be there before they went through the process.
00:15:03.000But that's why I said practice is so important because it's like I'd practiced it so many times that I just looked at that elk like it was a target.
00:16:27.000But this is everything that you hope for as a bow hunter.
00:16:30.000I see a lot of people who haven't hunted, they're under the impression that Maybe as soon as the arrow hits the animal, how come it didn't go down?
00:17:37.000Yeah, and I think it's, you know, people might be more familiar with rifle kills, and maybe they think that they, but even with a rifle, they don't go right down.
00:17:45.000And I think it's like a rifle is even, can be, you know, they hear the sound, a rifle will kill by shock instead of hemorrhage, so it's, you know, shit's getting blown apart.
00:17:57.000I think a well-placed arrow is about as beautiful death as an animal's going to get.
00:18:05.000Yeah, I mean, these aren't animals that are living in a controlled environment where they're going to die of old age.
00:18:10.000They're going to get torn apart by animals.
00:18:12.000And in fact, John Dudley, while he was there, was 20 yards away from a mountain lion that was stalking the same bull he was.
00:18:59.000But that's why I say it's like death by a well-placed arrow is, you know, people say, well, people have the impression that these things aren't going to die ever, or they're going to live like we live.
00:19:10.000Well, they also don't understand that all the money that's spent on this elk hunt, all of it goes to ensure the healthy populations of these animals.
00:20:12.000I mean, we're getting the message out, so that's good.
00:20:15.000Yeah, I mean, there's so many different messages that you hear, stats, you know, about meat consumption and food and, like, what's bad for the environment, what's good for the environment.
00:20:27.000There's so many, like, small little sound bites that people like to rally off.
00:22:31.000I took video of Colton pulling out the tenderloin of your bowl because people don't understand how you can get, without gutting it, you can get the tenderloins out, which are under the spine.
00:23:59.000I remember when I used to hunt elk in the Eagle Cap Wilderness, I remember I used to think those elk were like high octane because they were so fast compared to the bulls I hunted over in Western Oregon.
00:24:12.000And I always thought that it was just that feed must be...
00:24:16.000It just seemed like the elk were different and quicker.
00:24:19.000And so I'm thinking, well, if I'm eating those bulls and those bulls are elite athletes for bulls, it's like this can't – I mean, it's got to be amazing.
00:25:53.000I was listening to Ranella talk recently about this horrendous trip that they had in the backcountry because there were so many hunters during muzzleloader and archery season.
00:28:42.000He goes, just for old times sake, he goes, because I'm looking at a 360 and a 340 bull screaming elk everywhere and not a truck at the trailhead.
00:29:14.000So if you're hiking in and you're off horse, you know, it's the places that are off horse pack trails that don't get the attention, because If you kill a bull, it's coming out on your back.
00:32:23.000Because he had done something to his shoulder, so I think I read it's like he was going to have to try to do half draw or as far back as he could get, and he ended up hitting it through the heart.
00:33:56.000Just, you know, I'm never going to, you know, I mean, even my wife today, because it's like, haven't been sleeping, then I had that whole thing this morning with GQ, and then this, and she's, and then I, whatever.
00:34:10.000She's like, well, how are you feeling?
00:34:11.000I said, I have no choice but to feel 100%.
00:34:14.000I said, so that's all I'm focusing on.
00:37:05.000Because dealing with all those people that are going after the same animals, and those, like, like, Renella was talking about elk that were silently bugling.
00:37:46.000But they're going to be like a three-year-old bull, a five-point.
00:37:49.000Now, I'm going to kill a ten-year-old bull.
00:37:51.000It's still a bull, but it's just different.
00:37:54.000They just, on public land, there's not as many that are getting to that age class because every other hunter out there is going to shoot the first bull they see.
00:38:19.000They're acting like wild animals because they're not pressured because there's not that many people out there.
00:38:23.000So it's rare that they encounter people.
00:38:25.000And when you're in a place like we were at, which is 270,000 acres in Utah, they're all just living in the mountains like they've been living in the mountains for thousands of years.
00:43:28.000Like, what we're doing is – what I'm doing, first of all, is the easiest way to the road because I've got – Some of my best friends are the best hunters on earth.
00:43:38.000I mean, having you as a great friend and Dudley and being able to take instruction from you guys and learning how to bow hunt and just having you that day with me.
00:43:47.000First of all, what a wake-up call about endurance.
00:43:51.000Here I am fucking running hills every goddamn day trying to keep up with you.
00:45:29.000So what happens is when people get gassed, they take shortcuts.
00:45:33.000You know, they get gas from going up the hill hard trying to get this and then they're like, God, do I really have to circle around to keep the wind right?
00:46:36.000And you see, I thought, I don't know, you see them and they'll, like, kind of, they'll put their nose up and they'll be like, what is that?
00:48:21.000There's enough people that are ignorant to what hunting really is, and enough people that actually eat meat that are ignorant to what hunting really is.
00:49:54.000Well, and what I also try to do, too, and I put one up today, and I think...
00:50:00.000And I think you could even speak to this because we shared that emotion with your bull.
00:50:05.000But there is, you know, I've said it before, and maybe some hunters think I'm full of shit or, I don't know, I don't know, overemphasizing.
00:50:17.000But the feeling of, I'm not happy when I kill.
00:52:42.000I feel real emotion, and I respect and honor and love the journey of that hunt, and the fact I took the animal's life is part of it, but it's not lost on the fact that I know I took it,
00:54:31.000But how many vegans wind up quitting and eating meat?
00:54:37.000I wonder if they've ever done a study on that.
00:54:39.000This is like a big thing because, you know, there's been a movement, sort of a movement, and people have different success rates with being a vegan.
00:54:48.000But Cam Newton, who is a quarterback of the Carolina Panthers, big dude, 6'6", 250, 260, he went vegan, and he cannot get healthy.
00:55:01.000I mean, the face of the franchise, probably a $100 million contract, I mean, made it to the Super Bowl, but since just been on a decline, and it's like almost...
00:55:16.000Hand in hand with the change into vegan.
00:55:19.000Well, you know that guy, Dr. Sean Baker, he's the advocate of that carnivore diet.
00:55:23.000He marks all these people that were originally in that Game Changers documentary that James Cameron put out.
00:55:29.000A shit ton of them quit before the movie came out and they had to pull them out of the movie because they were vegan and because of health reasons they had to quit.
00:56:16.000It's very controversial research that came out, but it's a very repeated number of 84% of vegans and vegetarians end up going back to eating meat at some level.
00:57:04.000All of our agriculture, when they talk about greenhouse gases, we talked about this the other day, 9% of all greenhouse gases is because of agriculture.
00:57:15.000Less than half of that is because of meat.
00:57:18.000Less than half of that is because of beef.
00:58:00.000There's definitely animals dying from that.
00:58:03.000But for us to live, animals are going to die.
00:58:06.000No matter how you want to look at it, at some point, whether it was to build your house or build the road you used to get to work or the fields that you eat your salad and corn and wheat from, animals are dying for us to live.
01:00:00.000One thing I did also see is, because I killed three bulls this year, and it's weird because people say, well, there's no way you could eat all that.
01:00:13.000So I said, well, how good are you at math?
01:00:16.000So I go through, I got five people in my family, average person eats 220 pounds of meat a year.
01:00:24.000My family eats more than that, but just save for that.
01:01:03.000So there's a certain sense of satisfaction and...
01:01:08.000I don't know if it's honoring the animal.
01:01:10.000I don't know what it feels like, but it feels like to me, it feels right to give meat and to have somebody say, man, that elk you gave me, that was the best meat I've ever had.
01:01:20.000I just bought a ton of freezer bags so I can give away to friends.
01:03:44.000What's interesting, it's like the road from you coming over my house, or you coming into the studio the first time, many, many years ago, and getting me that Hoyt, and then showing me how to shoot, and then taking me bear hunting, and taking me elk hunting, and all these...
01:03:59.000You know, reps and years and years and years of practice that leads to like two weeks ago.
01:06:39.000Well, I was talking to a friend of mine, you know, and I was saying, well, you know, Cam, when he first started running, he had a hard time running a mile.
01:07:40.000I was still hunting, but no real sense of, I don't know, I didn't have, I wasn't accountable for anything or to anybody, didn't have any high expectations.
01:09:35.000How did it go from you being this guy who quit after five miles, and you're drinking beer all the time, and you're hanging out with a bunch of ne'er-do-wells?
01:11:12.000Got like 202, which is a good half marathon, especially for an eight-year-old.
01:11:16.000So then I started introducing my kids to these challenges because I'm like, you know, I remember my life growing up and it It wasn't comfortable, but not in a positive way.
01:11:29.000And I'm like, well, I think these kids, if they don't have challenges introduced, they're going to be soft.
01:11:36.000So that's why they've run marathons and they've done these things.
01:11:40.000It's because that's kind of how they grew up.
01:11:42.000So I think it was kind of a combination of being a parent, wanting my kids to have a successful path, and then just saying, I didn't want to be a loser dad.
01:11:54.000So it just kind of evolved from there.
01:11:55.000Didn't Truett run 100 miles with you, ran, what did he get to 80, 85 miles?
01:22:19.000And a couple times during the run I'll pull out that collapsible dog bowl and pour him some water and he'll drink it and You know, that makes a big difference.
01:22:27.000And then I pour some on his head, rub it on his head to cool him off a little bit.
01:25:29.000I mean, because they're still, just like Marshall, they still, I don't know, maybe not, maybe he's whatever, but you always hear this, that they had this pet whatever, and...
01:25:41.000Well, Marshall with a rabbit, for sure.
01:27:32.000I mean, we've both experienced bears in the wild, and I've never seen a mountain lion in the wild, but I did see one in Montecito in Santa Barbara.
01:27:43.000But, I mean, if I did see one, I would think it's fucking cool to be in the woods, like, hunting, like Dudley was, 20 yards away from one, stumble across one.
01:28:31.000They get a hold of the rat poison because people poison the rats, and then they eat the rats, or the coyotes eat the rats, and then they eat the coyotes, and they get that rat poison in them, and they wound up dying.
01:28:40.000And another one got killed recently trying to cross the street.
01:28:45.000He was trying to cross the highway, and they think he might have been getting chased by another cat, and the cat chased him right into traffic, and bam!
01:31:31.000Ranella was talking about on his podcast that when the pioneers came out west, they were shooting deers for their skins and bears for the meat.
01:35:00.000And I remember at mile 22, something was happening with his feet, and he had to take his shoes off and untie his shoes.
01:35:11.000And it's like, normally, that's not a good sign.
01:35:15.000I mean, if people are messing with their shoes 22 miles into 30, it's like, God, this is not, you know, because you know your feet are going to get torn up.
01:35:24.000So it's like, you just kind of, your feet, They could be bleeding, torn up.
01:35:29.000He's like, yeah, this is what happens.
01:37:09.000And like at the end when we had done so many reps, and like we did this one last thing of doing, yeah, we did like 95 reps of, or no, 100 reps of right there on that incline bench is only 95 pounds,
01:41:33.000I mean, he's, you know, I mean, David Goggins, it's like people follow him and they're just like, I feel, I feel like it's like another blessing I don't really deserve just to be able to, you know, who wouldn't want to work out with Goggins?
01:41:45.000You always talk like that and it drives me crazy.
01:41:53.000You always say, like, we were talking about that, like, you always feel like you don't even deserve to be at these camps with all these great hunters.
01:42:02.000I always say, I think somebody eventually is going to say, what is this guy doing here?
01:42:08.000And I'll be like, well, they figured it out.
01:42:15.000I just don't feel like, I mean, I see you guys, I see you, Goggins, Jocko, and I see those, and that's who everybody, you know, it's like you can change people's lives, and I feel like pretty soon they're going to go, why is this guy here?
01:42:56.000When people work hard and they have very high standards and then they become successful, they feel like an imposter.
01:43:00.000They feel like there's no way because you're always wanting better and more.
01:43:05.000As I've become famous and become friends with other famous people, when I meet them, I was out...
01:43:13.000At a restaurant the other night and me and my wife were having dinner and Jamie Foxx came in and he comes up to me and gives me a big hug and I'm always like, why does he like me?
01:44:36.000However, I don't know how other famous people are, but how you are is like, all I ever say is like, he's the most generous, supportive person I've ever met.
01:44:44.000So, however you're doing it, you've been a good, it's just somebody good to emulate, I think.
01:44:53.000Well, I would say the same about you, man.
01:44:55.000It means a lot to me to be your friend and to learn bow hunting from you.
01:44:59.000To me, it's like, you know, there's, If you want to learn something, you want to learn something, what you want to learn is from someone who really understands it and really hasn't mastered it and spent a lifetime doing it.
01:45:11.000So for me, you've cut probably decades off my learning curve of learning bowhunting and to be able to learn...
01:45:18.000I mean, all those different things that we did to get close to those different bulls was all because of your years and years of experience.
01:45:25.000And of course, Colton helped us as well.
01:45:27.000He's a great guide and very knowledgeable hunter.
01:45:29.000But even he defers to you because you've had so much experience.
01:45:33.000So, to me, to have a guy like you out there that's such a great role model, that does it all the right way and works so hard, I mean, to learn from you has been gigantic.
01:45:46.000You go out to that wall out there and see all those elk heads, that's all because of you, man.
01:47:03.000And to be able to do it with you, like I said in the video.
01:47:05.000It means the world to me that I could do that, you know, with being your student and being able to learn from you and then to be able to execute like that in crunch time.
01:55:44.000I don't know how we missed this, but Samuel L. Jackson plays in a movie called Big Game where I think he might have been Secret Service protecting the president.
01:55:52.000Either way, the plane crashes or something and he ends up with a kid and learning how to bow hunt to survive.
01:57:17.000And what was good with her was she could go from having the bow to grabbing an arrow to putting it on the string to shooting in like half a second.
01:57:50.000But yeah, he had the exploding tip, and the bad guy was shooting, ran out of bullets with his gun, threw it down, pulled his pistol out, and was shooting at Rambo, and Rambo just stood up there just like...
02:02:52.000I mean, it's an interesting thing, the camaraderie in camp, too, because those kind of camps, like we had two weeks ago in Utah, it's like we've got a group of some of the best people I know.
02:06:41.000Like I said, it's like It can be soul-crushing.
02:06:45.000Well, you're only as good as your last execution of whatever you're trying to do, whether it's your last comedy show, your last bow hunt, your last arrow you released.
02:08:02.000There's something very spiritual about bow hunting, and it's, when that shot landed, and that's one of the things that happens, like, our spirits are uplifted.
02:08:47.000Even when things go well for me, there's a part of my brain, and I think this is because I've been obsessed with so many different things, and I kind of understand...
02:09:01.000My own pitfalls and the only traps that I can fall into.
02:09:05.000So anytime anything happens that's great, even if it's fucking amazing.
02:09:08.000Like, yeah, it feels good for a little bit.
02:09:10.000And then almost immediately afterwards, I think, you better get back to work, bitch.
02:09:51.000Alexander Gustafson was talking about that once, and he was talking about the mindset that you have to be to be an elite professional athlete.
02:10:01.000And I think anything that's difficult, difficult pursuits, whether it's stand-up comedy or whether it's bow hunting or even ultra-marathon running, no matter what you do that's hard to do, once it's over, you better not enjoy it for too long.
02:15:28.000They had larger antlers, and you see them in the Gila, you see them in New Mexico, and that area in particular in San Carlos has a bunch of those elk.
02:15:38.000They also think that that's what's in Tejon Ranch.
02:17:03.000I would give anything to seeing what it must have been like to have crossed America back in the Lewis and Clark days when it was totally undeveloped.
02:17:13.000And, you know, you just run into the tribes of Native Americans.
02:17:16.000I would just love to see what it was actually like when the wildlife was undisturbed.
02:17:22.000And, you know, you'd have these massive herds of buffalo and deer were everywhere and elk were everywhere.
02:17:28.000They said when those expeditions came across America, they could hunt anything.
02:19:08.000Yeah, it's like another degree harder than it is for men because just the physical difficulty, the strength that you have to have to be able to maneuver your way through the woods like that, especially her.
02:19:31.000She's got a great attitude, and man, I love seeing her be successful.
02:19:36.000Yeah, no, it's cool to see someone who's legitimately dedicated to it.
02:19:41.000Because, you know, we've talked about this before.
02:19:44.000There's things that are happening right now where people are getting into certain activities when you're a woman because it gets you a lot of attention.
02:19:52.000Because if you're a hot woman and you shoot a gun in a bikini, a lot of people are going to pay attention to you.
02:19:57.000If you're a hot woman and you go bow hunting, a lot of people are going to pay attention to you.
02:20:52.000It's hard for women because they want a certain amount of attention, but you've got to be careful in how you get it because then people don't respect you.
02:21:44.000I feel just really fortunate to be able to be friends with all these people that I know are these really world-renowned, experienced hunters.
02:26:40.000He had it then, and he wanted to learn, and he wanted to experience it, and then he went from there to making one of the best shows on TV. There's such a great lesson in that, that there's the opportunity.
02:27:11.000I said, I need you there opening morning.
02:27:14.000That's a giant part of life, is those opportunities, capitalizing on those opportunities, because a person could easily have blown that off.