Joe Rogan Experience #1382 - RZA & Donnell Rawlings
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2 hours and 20 minutes
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193.20781
Summary
On this episode of the Don L. Rawlings Podcast, we have special guest and friend of the show, RZA. We talk about how he came to be, how he got into hip-hop, and what it takes to be a producer in this industry. We also talk about the importance of a good beat, and why it s better than any other type of beat you ve ever heard. Don L Rawlings is a hip hop producer and co-producer who has worked with some of the biggest names in hip hop. He s been in the business for a long time and has a lot of experience in the industry, but he s also a good friend of mine and I think he s one of the most talented people I ve ever met in the hip hop industry. Don ll Rawlings and I talk about his music and how he s been able to make it happen in a very short period of time. I hope you enjoy this episode, and don t forget to subscribe to the show! and spread the word to your friends and family about this podcast. Don lllllllll. I ll be back next week with a new episode of Don lll Rawlings with another guest, . Thank you so much for listening, Don ll lllll! XOXO, D.L. RZA - DJ Semtex XO Music: "The RZA" by The RZA (feat. DJ Khaled ( ) DJ Khloe ( ) & DJ Khale ( ) ( ( ) Produced by Don lls Rawlings ( ) Music: Produced By: Don llr Rawlings & AJV ( ) Artwork by: Ari ( ) and Jamie Vervans ( ) Thank you for the beat we did this beat for this beat we used by the RZA & Joe Rogan ( ) for the song "P.O.D. ( ) by DJ KHAL ( ) and the beat produced by: Don LL Cool feat. & the beat was done by Don LLR ( ) on this beat is by DJ Khare ( ) . , DJ Khance ( ) is working on a new song we are working on for the new album, "I'm Too Effed Up ( ) in the next episode of The Don LRawlings Podcast ( ) we will be doing a live show on next week ( ) coming out in a few weeks.
Transcript
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So, now that I'm the producer of the Don L. Rawlings podcast.
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We've taken off the RZA. Sir, thank you for being here.
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Yo, first off, when you said that, I'm saying, I got a button down too.
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If you have a vision or you see or even connected to this at all, whatever you feel, I fucking got to feel it.
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I think your idea of driving around talking shit is a great one.
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I like when Bill Burry did a podcast doing that.
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He basically did these little video things doing that.
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If one day you want to sit in your living room, just talk shit in your living room, do that.
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The day was a good day for me because I knew it was coming to do your show.
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And I've been ducking the question and evading it for so long.
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When I see you, I can't even be real with you like I want to.
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And I was like, I said, fuck, man, I'm doing Rogan in two hours.
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I was just writing podcasts cause I don't know if he was doing a podcast or a podcast.
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P.O.D. P.O.D. I know, so I'm just kinda, you know, I'm just taking notes.
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Yo, yo, it's just gonna be like, it's just gonna be, I wanted Joe to stop bullying me.
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I didn't want him to talk shit cause every time I see him, every time I see him, he be like this, we have a regular conversation, then he just start doing like this.
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Yo, he said, he said, what's up with the podcast?
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And I said, and I'm gonna tell you, I could go in front of thousands and thousands of people.
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But it was just something about me talking to myself.
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I've been talking to Joe about this shit for five months.
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We talked about it, people, his fans were talking about it.
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And then when I did it, today when I finished it, I felt good as shit, son.
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Who started their podcasts off with Joe Rogan, producer, and Ariza, producer?
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And Jamie Vernon doing the technical difficulties.
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He didn't want to put me online or nothing, son.
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There's a couple of companies that offer a turnkey sort of situation.
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What is the one who does Eric Weinstein's podcast and...
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And they get all the ads for you and they take a certain percent.
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Not that I'm jumping on Donnell's bandwagon right here.
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Nah, maybe for the last few months, since we started the Hulu, the American Saga series, people have been pushing me to do a podcast, right?
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I ended up not doing one, but we have one for the show, of course, that kind of does, you know, like after the show goes on, you can go and listen and hear, you know, more inside details of the story.
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But still, during that process, it was like, you need to do a podcast, Rez, because...
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You just need more people with that kind of thinking.
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So when he just said that he talked to us, you know, he don't talk to himself.
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But then after he was finished talking to himself for 44 minutes, he felt a weight come off him.
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And he says, contemplation with yourself, which is talking with yourself, will take you further than praying.
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If you're not, whether you're doing it verbally, like right now we're talking out loud.
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You had that voice, you was like, yo, I put the condom on and not.
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You had that voice and you know, if you listen to it or you don't listen to it, but the bottom line is that According to Krishna, it's that contemplation that makes us better.
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It's that reflection of what we did, what we're going to do.
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But I'm telling you, part of it was like, I was not letting Joe talk shit to me.
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The most important thing is that you have a voice.
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It's good to have a bunch of different people doing it from all different styles of art, different walks of life.
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If a person has already been involved, Interesting.
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People want to keep getting different pieces of you.
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Dude, they would love to hear you just talk about life.
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It's you and Duncan Trussell, the only people who quote the Bhagavad Gita.
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That's what Oppenheimer quoted when he watched the first atomic bomb blow off.
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He said, I am become death, destroyer of worlds.
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There's all sorts of allusions to UFOs and shit.
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You talk about the Maharata, which is a longer version.
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So the Bhagavad Gita is about 700 verses that's taken out of the Maharada, which is one of the longest It's not the longest poem, but it's in the top ten.
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Yeah, that's the one with all B. I don't even know words that got a silent B. Mahabharata.
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What word has a silent B? I never even know those words existed.
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There's a bunch of weird shit that people throughout history have tried to figure out what the fuck are they talking about?
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And, you know, that ancient civilization was measuring what they call coppers every 35,000 years, you know?
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I have a tendency to pronounce words the way I pronounce them.
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I have a tendency to listen and understand the words the way you pronounce it, son.
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No, man, I didn't even know what he was talking about.
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He was asking me about Sugar Hill, and I said, yeah, I remember that, and then I started singing it.
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I don't think I was actually about Sugar Hill, son.
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You haven't spit 16. You was like, this is what you told me, Joe.
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You said, I don't have time to spit 16. No, I don't have any time to rap.
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You said, I have much better things to do with my time than to spit 16. I don't think that's what I said.
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What I said was, I'm too busy to do one more thing.
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We were talking about how few white rappers ever actually make it.
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Like, the tiny percentage in comparison to the ones who try it.
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You gotta think there must be millions and millions that have tried it.
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So as we talk, you'll see I'm always pulling some numbers into things.
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But if we look at the ratio, let's say one million white guys tried.
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But hip-hop, let me just say something about hip-hop, because I can say that, right?
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No, the beautiful thing is that hip-hop is really one of those...
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And when it was formed, right, it's definitely, you know, a lot of young black men, you know, you go back to Cool Hulk and Grandmaster Flash and And Melly Mel and Spoonie G, you know, you can go back to the classes, you know, Grandmaster Kaz,
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But within Grandmaster Kaz crew, the Co-Crust brother, you got Charlie Chase, right?
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But then our first hip-hop songs that we love, you know, LL Cool J, Rock the Bells.
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So the youth culture of America at that time, right?
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You know, town to the CBGB crowd and all that, and Blondie and all these things was melding from our culture.
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Now, whereas, of course, it's dominantly a black expression, right?
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We could say we dominated the culture, but it took angles from every other part of New York.
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And that means it took our Spanish brothers and their culture.
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It took our white brothers and their culture to all form it.
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And then, of course, when Wu-Tang came, we brought the Asian culture in.
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Wu-Tang, when you say that, it's like it came in like a thunderstorm.
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So we should be proud and know that it's like an inclusive...
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And look, Bruce Lee, who was an American, right?
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He represents the Asian culture, but he was born in America, went back, made it big in Hong Kong, and came back to America and took it to the next level again.
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And when you look at some of those breakdance moves and some of the philosophies that he brought to mixing more styles together, you know, Jeet Kune Do, which means the way of the intercepting fists, or also the way of he combined boxing with fencing with Wing Chun.
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He put all those MMAs together before it was even that, right?
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Where you do have the soul of James Brown, the jazz of the loneliest monk.
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But yet you also got the Latin feeling of the Mambo Kings.
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Do you think hip-hop is evolving and not just...
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Because people, they got a situation now where it don't have to evolve.
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People have found a way to make money off of something that people may not agree with.
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So it's part of the evolution we're seeing now is whereas we, in my generation, we relied on music that was created before us because we came in a time when they took music programs out of school.
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So you didn't learn how to play a guitar, a piano.
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And your music equipment or your instrument became your turntables.
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And then we sampled a lot of songs, a lot of breaks from old records that already existed.
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They actually could take their keyboard, their drum machine, their laptop and just create.
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Yeah, and on their phone and just create the beat, right?
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And so now the beat has no historical reference to it in the sense of, oh, that was a James Brown sample.
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That's just that kid who, whether he did Fruity Loops and threw some chord progressions together, or whether he sat there on his garage band on his phone and hit the guitar program that comes with it, or whatever, the creativity of it is now having this form of originality.
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Now, of course, once something like that happens, there's a formula.
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So we keep hearing that same formula exists right now.
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But I think one of the greatest evolution of hip-hop I'm going to use the word evolution loosely because when I think about the Cold Crush Brothers and the Force MDs, they did this anyway in the beginning.
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Now than it did in the 90s, in the early 2000s, right?
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So what I mean by that, you know, rappers now, you know, I'm just so D, like it's all melody, it's all, you know, it's all chanting, right?
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When we was doing it, I smoke on the mic like smoking Joe Frazier.
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It was all aggressive chop rap, you know what I mean?
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So to see that it evolves to this melodic form, and then you look at Kanye, he now took it to gospel.
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The Snoop Lion thing wasn't that successful, but the one he won, the gospel album, I think he was getting awards and nominated and stayed on top of Billboard for a while.
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It was like, I'm pretty sure Preacher's been eating pussy for a while, but this one got caught on camera and he went viral, son.
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Women doing little signs like, if you was on a deserted island, who would you want to be?
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And they got somebody else, they got somebody else, and they got the preceding preacher.
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Yeah, they blocked it all out with pussycats so that you can't see your pussy.
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Listen, but just like you said earlier, you're going to speak the way you normally talk?
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I use condolingus in my daily conversation, okay?
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No, but condolingus is, look, it's fellatio, whatever you guys want to do.
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Listen, I don't think you're going to find a species that don't like sex.
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They have to fly through the air and they almost crash to the ground while they're fucking because they kind of like run out of space.
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If they don't make it, sometimes they'll bounce off trees and shit.
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Jimmy Schubert used to have a great bit about it.
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I don't know if he still has it, but he had a great bit about Eagles.
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I don't know a whole lot about it, but I remember learning about it from a Jimmy Schubert bit.
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They fuck, and they just lock up until he gets it off.
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Those are American eagles right there, brother.
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And then apparently they'll disjoin when they get too close to the ground.
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It's a terrible animal to have as our national animal.
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A vicious raptor that doesn't give a fuck about anything.
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But when that motherfucker spread his wings, that look is like...
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It's good if you want the world to be scared of you.
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Man, one of the forms of kung fu that I had to learn is the eagle claw, which is a very good thing.
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Nah, man, you ain't got to do no moves on me, man.
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I got into those, like, I saw my first kung fu movie, I think, at the age of nine, right?
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And, you know, that was probably only my third movie experience.
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I mean, nowadays, you know, you can see movies anywhere.
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No, no, this is before VHS. I'm talking about going to the movies.
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Let me give you a little movie history for the RZA. First movie I ever saw was Huckleberry Finn.
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And listen to how all this stuff affects my life.
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The killer bees, the swarm, Wu-Tang killer bees.
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A double feature starring Bruce Lee, which is called Furia the Dragon, and another movie called Black Samurai starring Jim Kelly.
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Once I saw that, I was hooked on the action kung fu movies.
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And mind you, back then, to go to the movies, my family didn't have the $1.25.
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Like, to get the money to go to the movies, it may take six months.
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And when we got to the movies, I'm going to tell you this family, my family.
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This is back when I was still eating meat, pork, swine.
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But, so now I'm in New York City living with my grandmother.
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We gotta bring our Sunday dinner to the theater with us.
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And yo, and my grandma stuffed pig feats in there.
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You couldn't even get a snicker when it was $0.40.
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We used to ask our parents, hey mom, you got 25 cents?
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But at the end of the day, though, those movie moments, you know what I mean?
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They really inspired me, really took me to a world that was different from the project world that I lived in.
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And once I started seeing movies like The Five Deadly Venoms and 36 Chambers and...
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And Masked Avengers and Super Ninjas, all that.
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When you start seeing those now, you're like in a period.
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And you're seeing all this action and it's just, it starts resonating with me.
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And maybe around the age of 14, I just ended right here.
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I didn't know, but someone be like, what is the potato?
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And then is it, I don't know how, you know, they be like, is it corn syrup?
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There's a lot of wine that's not vegan, apparently.
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I don't even really, to be honest, I don't even really know what the fuck a real vegan is.
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Well, if you are claiming to be a vegan, a vegan diet is no animal products.
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So do true vegans give a fuck about vegan for the health of it or for actually what it's doing to animals and shit?
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So you You give a fuck about how chickens are slaughtered and shit is the reason?
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To be honest with you, bro, I just hit you with this right here.
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The reality, how I feel, no animal needs to die for me to live.
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My son turned 14 this year, never had a piece of meat in his life, He's going to do eight pull-ups right now.
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My oldest son, having to have meat in his life, he could bench over 200 pounds.
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6'2", 8-pack, played guitar, piano, Great memory.
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The point being made to you, right, bro, is that...
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I'm only saying that to say that I can look at my household as a living example that you don't need...
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But I know now, the way people cook it, And the more options, there's more options to eat like that than it was when I was coming up.
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When I was coming up, it was just like that sunrise patty.
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And they can tell you to eat some broccoli or carrots or something.
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And it wasn't so many people doing it where you wouldn't find no vegan restaurant.
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You go to a Jamaican spot in Brooklyn, if you was a vegetarian, you had that one steamed pie and they had the mixed vegetables.
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That's the only thing you was going to get that didn't have no meat in it.
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What I got to do, what I got to do, I could like, and plus I ain't really see my son that much.
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What I got to do, I could do it anytime tomorrow.
00:28:09.000
I need to get some time with my son and I'm chilling here.
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I haven't had a piece of red meat Since 1995. Wow.
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I haven't had a piece of poetry since 1996. After we finished the Liquid Sword album, I guess.
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I feel the average motherfucker feel good if he can hold on to fish.
00:29:03.000
Yeah, I had a good weekend of drinking, so I'm going to take the weekdays.
00:29:09.000
I like to drink, but if I have a heavy weekend, I gotta take some chill pills.
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Do you monitor your nutrition and make sure you get all your bases covered, your amino acids and your proteins?
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Are you mostly a whole food diet or do you supplement?
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Like, on a good day, if I'm on my best, the best riser, I'm eating once a day anyway.
00:29:50.000
Yo, you give him that shit you tried to give me, son.
00:29:55.000
Yo, why you act like I'm against being a vegan?
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I know, but I never said I wouldn't love it, son.
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Only thing I'm saying is, you know, I don't know a lot of vegans.
00:30:07.000
Yeah, this is something that you would eat, right?
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Like, you just try to say everything nut related.
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It makes sense, but I'm just not used to a liquid diet.
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It tastes good, and if I just need nutrition, real quick.
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It's basically just protein and organic dark chocolate.
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Only if we don't say this to you because it won't go to him.
00:31:18.000
But every time you say something to me, you say it like, before you start tripping out, I'm not...
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I'm going to say something to you, gentlemen, but this is for you.
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So dark chocolate is known to reduce high blood pressure.
00:31:39.000
We're, you know, they say we have high blood pressure.
00:31:42.000
Based on us being in America, not getting that real natural sun.
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I'm just saying, I don't even know why you felt like I needed the dark chocolate.
00:32:07.000
No, I'm just saying, you keep pointing at me and shit.
00:32:12.000
I'm sorry, I like dark chocolate like everybody else like dark chocolate.
00:32:30.000
Maybe it's a History Channel or one of them stations.
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But they go into the Hershey Company, the Mars.
00:32:37.000
Oh, is that the same people that did The Men That Made America?
00:32:54.000
I got a story for you to know why black people like Pepsi.
00:32:56.000
But hold on, let him tell the Kellogg's story because you're not even going to believe this.
00:32:59.000
Okay, Kellogg's start because he's just a doctor with a little, they call it sanitary, what they call it?
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Nigga, I never knew that motherfucker, that Kellogg, yo.
00:33:27.000
Dude, he invented cereal to keep people from having sex and beating off.
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He invented cereal to calm people's sexual desire.
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Because they were sick there and he thought the best way to get the nutrients, he would bake all this grain together and then break it up and serve it to him.
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His brother actually was the one that was like, put some milk in it.
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Now check out the punchline of the story, right?
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So Kellogg's is doing this shit and his brother's like, yo, listen, man.
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He's telling his brother, look, we ain't doing all that, son.
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So he's going to work and do what he tells him.
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And before Kellogg's starts Kellogg's cereal, Mr. Post started post cereal, homie.
00:35:08.000
Oh, it was cereal beef for the whole, like, it's still good.
00:35:14.000
You ask yourself, black people love Pepsi-Cola, right?
00:35:17.000
I was talking to this white dude one time, he said, you know why black people like Pepsi?
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Back in like the 30s, when Coca-Cola and Pepsi was the two volume bottling companies, and Coca-Cola was smashing Pepsi on sales.
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Like $125 million, like $3 million in sales per year, right?
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Pepsi needed to do something to get a different audience.
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So Pepsi painted basically Coke to be either racist or not really caring about the black community.
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Pepsi was the first corporation that started putting black people on the cover of the posters.
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Quantity-wise, like say if you had 10 ounces of Pepsi, 10 ounces of Coke, Coke would charge like 20 cents, and Pepsi would charge like 10 cents, but basically you're getting double what you want.
00:36:24.000
You give a nigga sugar, it don't matter, you can charge it up, right?
00:36:27.000
So that's the reason, and then if you think about that, through generation to generation, that's the reason why a person can be disconnected from a certain brand.
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Think about it, if you at home, right, you got Pepsi and Coke, and then you hear somebody say, man, we don't drink that Coke, man, that's how white people sold it.
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I looked into trying to get the rights to it some kind of way.
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Maybe I ain't had the right Jutane playing on my team to get it done.
00:37:09.000
How one pioneering company broke the color barrier in 1940s American businesses.
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You read it, you could just see the outfits they was wearing.
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And, like, the Pepsi dudes, they was a Pepsi motherfucker.
00:37:46.000
Do you know that Coca-Cola to this day is made with cocaine?
00:37:52.000
They use coca leaves, and then they extract medical cocaine from that, and then there's a company that makes...
00:37:58.000
There's a company that extracts it for them and makes medical cocaine, and they have coca leaves that are shipped to Coca-Cola to make Coca-Cola.
00:38:08.000
There's a certain flavor that those coca leaves give it.
00:38:13.000
No, but there's a company that's connected to it that actually uses those coca leaves and extracts the medical...
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They use it for different surgeries and shit like that.
00:38:26.000
In the series, the food that made America, they go into Coca-Cola.
00:38:59.000
The cocoa leaf, the cocoa plant, is actually an African plant.
00:39:14.000
He makes cocoa, the cocoa plant, and a few other ingredients together.
00:39:21.000
So he made a cocktail to take off the morphine edge.
00:39:24.000
Yeah, and the original formula is still unknown.
00:39:28.000
Can you imagine what it'd be like to buy Coca-Cola when it had cocaine in it?
00:39:36.000
Running through the streets coked up on Coca-Cola.
00:39:43.000
Like, when did they all get together and go, hey, we gotta take the fucking cocaine out of Coca-Cola?
00:39:48.000
But I thought that they did it for people with dental issues with their mouth and stuff.
00:40:01.000
Yeah, when I had my deviated septum fix, I had a broken nose, they straighten it out, and they flood it with lidocaine to numb it.
00:40:09.000
Yeah, it doesn't get you high, but it makes you feel like shit.
00:40:16.000
It doesn't get you high, but you feel like disconnected and weird.
00:40:19.000
Like, they gave me a pretty good dose when they fixed my nose, and I remember I went to a restaurant Like, either that night or the day after.
00:40:27.000
I think it was that night, and I was feeling terrible.
00:40:33.000
Like, I'm not on cocaine, but it's like a weird cousin to it.
00:40:36.000
Did it do anything to your appetite or anything?
00:40:50.000
But they use it just to numb you up for surgeries.
00:41:29.000
See, the nuts part is better on the back than the front right on your face when you first opened it.
00:41:45.000
No, I just rip it open and chew it right out of there.
00:41:47.000
Yeah, he'd do it hard, so like after squat, he'd just...
00:41:50.000
And just like, just throw the thing, squeeze the thing and just throw that shit.
00:42:01.000
But I'm telling you, everything happens for a reason today.
00:42:04.000
Because I want to eat better because I'm tired of this motherfucker looking at me like I eat all fucked up.
00:42:08.000
You keep looking at me like, let me explain something to you.
00:42:10.000
Anyone who's disciplined with their diet, if you're disciplined with your diet, no matter what you're eating, you're going to do better than people or not.
00:42:19.000
I could do vegan and everything for every reason.
00:42:26.000
I think it works for some people health-wise, but I think for other people it doesn't work.
00:42:32.000
If I was to advise on it, if I could take my advice, I'd say, look, Even if you include one day a week with a vegan diet.
00:42:42.000
Just like how some cultures, they have Saturday, they do this or Sunday, they do that.
00:42:53.000
Do you ever go to Indian restaurants that have vegetarian cuisine?
00:42:57.000
Indian restaurants, they know how to do it because they've been doing it for fucking hundreds of years.
00:43:07.000
Especially, I like food, especially if it's the best of that.
00:43:16.000
Carrots with a little balsamic vinegar or something.
00:43:24.000
That restaurant that he has, he should have one of the plates.
00:43:28.000
He should name one of the plates there vegan struggle.
00:43:39.000
It's like one carrot, like one banana, you know what I'm saying?
00:43:43.000
No extra sauces or nothing, just straight vegetables.
00:43:55.000
You ever have a, sorry, you ever have a sugar sandwich?
00:44:07.000
Wait, some of this stuff, sugar diet stuff, it's like the cheapest thing to get was a loaf of bread.
00:44:14.000
The cheapest thing you can get is a loaf of bread.
00:44:16.000
A loaf of bread was 25, 30, 40 cents or whatever.
00:44:20.000
But everything else you put in it, it's not cheap.
00:44:36.000
And then you would get anything in between two pieces of bread, whether it was butter and sugar.
00:44:45.000
I know it sounds good, but it's going to fuck you up.
00:44:54.000
That shit ain't no good, but that shit is like, as a kid, nigga, you was like, bing, [...
00:45:02.000
Well, that's what peanut butter and jelly does for you.
00:45:04.000
If you have like Skippy, if you have like one of the real delicious peanut butters and some grape jelly, that's a lot of sugar.
00:45:13.000
Yeah, well, instead of organic ones, the ones you have to stir yourself, those are good.
00:45:18.000
They're much better for you because they don't have any sugar added to them.
00:45:22.000
But the whole thing about a peanut butter and jelly sandwich?
00:45:26.000
Everybody had a peanut butter and jelly sandwich.
00:45:43.000
I want to put it in a triangle, put it in a lunacy, and then on that field trip on the bus, I want to get that goddamn bus heat to melt it up a little bit.
00:45:53.000
Man, that was the best sandwich ever and we never got him.
00:45:57.000
Don't you hate when somebody show off to school lunch and they got a better sandwich than you?
00:46:04.000
He got lettuce, tomatoes, he got a little ranch dressing to put on there.
00:46:18.000
No, you keep pointing at me like, this is how you just said it.
00:46:24.000
I know you ain't never been to Cats, but go ahead and lie to me.
00:46:33.000
I don't want to even talk about meat around you.
00:46:59.000
This sandwich is the best thing they got in Cleveland.
00:47:10.000
And not only that, but it's like, you get this sandwich, like, you could just, you should, if you really, you could, like, the sandwich is like this big.
00:47:17.000
You could be like, give me a sandwich and then a half loaf of bread.
00:47:24.000
This slimy shit, like if you want to smash a heavy chick in the Midwest, come back with one of the slimings.
00:47:43.000
When they make something that's just over the top.
00:47:52.000
A lot of meat is made from the legs, the rumps, you know?
00:48:08.000
I don't even want to talk about meat with you, man.
00:48:10.000
The real problem is really the preservatives and all the stuff they put in it to make sure you can roll it up in a fucking tube and stick it in a tray and let it sit there for weeks and months on end.
00:48:29.000
I mean, it lasts as long as it can before bacteria takes it over.
00:48:36.000
They would dry meat so they can carry it with them on the road.
00:48:38.000
But they didn't even plan on it staying forever.
00:48:43.000
They add a bunch of stuff to those processed ones.
00:48:49.000
I thought it was whack, but it was pretty good.
00:48:58.000
Well, for black people, turkey anything feels like you just cleanse yourself.
00:49:06.000
When a black person order their first turkey burger, your first turkey burger, you're like, oh, I didn't even know this part of life existed, son.
00:49:14.000
Then you have people competing who makes the best turkey burger.
00:49:19.000
It could get me on the road of being a vegetarian.
00:49:26.000
And then I went to actually turkey burgers, turkey pastrami, turkey chopped meat for my spaghetti.
00:49:35.000
And then one day I was eating, like when I was younger, I could knock out about 30 chicken wings.
00:49:52.000
Alright, so on the 29th chicken wing, my teeth hit the bone.
00:50:08.000
You're in New York City with all these pigeons flying around, and here you are, supposed to be an intelligent human being.
00:50:15.000
And I was like, that sounds pretty stupid to me.
00:50:20.000
It's funny that pigeons were actually brought here for food.
00:50:25.000
Listen, when Mama's fried chicken, Harlem fried chicken, Next Door fried chicken, Brooklyn fried chicken.
00:50:32.000
Remember we had the big chicken things in New York?
00:50:43.000
Because the hot wings, they had to make them right on the spot.
00:50:45.000
The other drink would be in the window for a long time.
00:50:47.000
No matter what you got, all of a sudden, pigeon population...
00:50:54.000
Pigeon population in New York City dropped down.
00:51:20.000
Anything outside chicken, I feel like you'd be calling it anything but chicken.
00:51:24.000
Do you know that some birds are actually red meat?
00:51:43.000
Yeah, you could get it on some menus in Texas, I believe, but it's a wild game animal.
00:52:02.000
The crane actually is a good example of relationships.
00:52:07.000
A crane will fly across the country or the world, whatever, go to the mating place where the other homies are at, meet somebody.
00:52:20.000
Fly home and when of age, fly back to marry that dude and stay married for the whole life, kid.
00:52:38.000
Oh, but they don't look like they have a good life either, son.
00:52:43.000
Son, your cranes look like I was forced into this crane shit.
00:52:54.000
Well, the one on Kung Fu Panda looked kind of happy to me.
00:52:57.000
They look like they're looking to be with somebody for that long.
00:53:03.000
So you said the heart of that thing is red meat?
00:53:41.000
Even though I go to vegan restaurants, they'd be like...
00:53:52.000
If you want to say flavored, like barbecue flavored chips or something like that, you could say flavored, artificially flavored fish.
00:53:58.000
But then you know the mind is not going to respond like that.
00:54:00.000
They got to do something to the mind that makes it still enticing.
00:54:12.000
But if you're a vegan motherfucker, you're going to buy that because you heard the word vegan fur.
00:55:00.000
Take the word vegan and make something else out of it.
00:55:02.000
Don't tell me that you're giving me a vegan steak.
00:55:07.000
Homie, steak is a particular part of the animal.
00:55:17.000
I don't think they care about you a professional at being a vegan.
00:55:21.000
I don't think they care about you as much as the dumb vegan.
00:55:41.000
If you were trying to trick someone into being a vegan, that would be the way to do it.
00:55:44.000
You give them that and go, look, you could just start with this.
00:55:58.000
I think if you're going to eat vegan, you should eat whole foods.
00:56:30.000
But if you tell a motherfucker, this burger is impossible because there's no meat in it and it's close to meat.
00:56:40.000
And I know it's probably got all the fats you talk about, but for a person that eats meat, and you'll be like this, you keep telling yourself, hold on, nah, that shit tastes like meat.
00:56:51.000
It's like a cafeteria, a high school cafeteria burger.
00:56:59.000
I miss high school cafeteria burgers occasionally.
00:57:01.000
Squirt that ketchup in there, close back that bun.
00:57:07.000
Now that I think about it, it is like a cafeteria junk.
00:57:10.000
Well, cafeteria burgers weren't 100% meat, right?
00:57:24.000
When I ate the burger, it made me feel good eating a burger that I thought was all plant-based.
00:57:34.000
Damn, I could fuck with that fruit and vegetable, them fruit and vegetable motherfuckers, right?
00:57:43.000
His wife can pull out one of them motherfucking Impossible Burgers or Beyond Burger.
00:57:54.000
It's the same concept, but it's different titles.
00:58:02.000
The Impossible Burger is only available in restaurants, right?
00:58:07.000
But the Beyond Burger, you actually can get it home.
00:58:12.000
You go to Gelson's, you can get Beyond Sauces, you can get Beyond whatever.
00:58:18.000
They're on the verge, and they've already created some.
00:58:21.000
They're on the verge of being able to mass-produce full meat that has never been in an animal.
00:58:33.000
It's basically they've taken all the building blocks for meat, and they've somehow or another...
00:58:39.000
Let's Google how they do it before I butcher the actual explanation.
00:58:51.000
He's like, I just want to be an important person?
00:59:02.000
It just was never connected to a living organism.
00:59:07.000
It has the essential amino acid profile of steak.
00:59:11.000
But it has nothing to do with an actual organism.
00:59:17.000
There's some process by which they are able to create this that I don't understand.
00:59:22.000
And we're trying to figure out whether it's cloning or what they're doing.
00:59:24.000
Man, if you can understand that process to me...
00:59:31.000
You got a good point, because we don't know what the fuck is going to happen to people.
00:59:39.000
Not on that level, but they're doing it already.
00:59:52.000
I know it's real in the sense that they've done it.
01:00:06.000
With no ethical, moral, or health consideration.
01:00:09.000
If they figure out how to do it, because meat essentially is a bunch of molecules, it's a bunch of particles, it's a bunch of things put together.
01:00:18.000
As people get more and more intelligent, and they have more and more control over their environment, they're going to get to a point where they can recreate all life.
01:00:27.000
But the thing is, how much can you charge for it?
01:00:31.000
Cell phones used to be that Michael Douglas thing on the fucking beach.
01:00:41.000
But a shitty phone now, a $200 phone now, is a goddamn world changer 13 years ago.
01:00:47.000
You'd freak people the fuck out if you had the cheapest mass-produced Android phone, you brought it to the past, you showed people, they'd freak the fuck out.
01:00:58.000
And there's the technology to create viable options for people who are healthier when they eat meat, but don't want to be a part of animal agriculture and slaughter.
01:01:06.000
I just heard some study where they said that, like, maybe, this was about three months ago, and it was big about how red meat does not...
01:01:18.000
They was basically saying, after all these years well, scientists would figure out...
01:01:33.000
And then you got an individual say, you know what?
01:01:43.000
Create something that will save other lives, yeah, create it.
01:01:53.000
We have to kill all these animals to get a coat.
01:01:58.000
We have a formula to make a coat that's going to keep you just as warm, keep you just as serve the purpose and needs, and nothing has to die for it.
01:02:18.000
But machines come and replace the mandatoryness of human physical labor in certain industries, right?
01:02:29.000
So now you don't have to subjugate somebody to do that.
01:02:40.000
But the Catch-22 that we've got to be conscious of in your own lifetime, right?
01:02:45.000
If somebody's telling me, like, look, you could do this, and I'm still going to have my, let's say, 70 years on the planet, Then yeah, do it.
01:02:54.000
But if I'm doing it and you want to turn my 70 years to 50 years, I don't want to make that bet.
01:03:00.000
And I think that's what we watch out for with anything.
01:03:03.000
Even with the vegan diet or the Pelotonian diet, all these different things.
01:03:11.000
If it's going to enhance your life, that's the biggest equity you got is your time in your life.
01:03:34.000
I'm saying everything you just said, I agree with.
01:03:37.000
But you talk to me like, you already heard this a million times.
01:03:52.000
It's Paleolithic, but we were talking about Joey Diaz calling, what did he call you?
01:04:16.000
Yeah, yo, I'm letting you know he got my sister pregnant, but he's here right now.
01:04:29.000
I know what you're saying, though, about diets.
01:04:34.000
Some people respond better to a vegan diet than others.
01:04:37.000
Some people respond better to a carnivore diet than others.
01:04:41.000
Like we were talking earlier about people being allergic to peanuts.
01:04:47.000
There's some people that are allergic to certain green vegetables.
01:04:50.000
There's some people that have weird reactions to kale and all kinds of other things with oxalates in them, spinach.
01:04:55.000
And for some reason, man, I hate motherfuckers that are allergic to healthy shit.
01:05:01.000
One of my friends told me one time, Joe, he said, yo, I'm allergic to pretty much all salads.
01:05:06.000
I'm like, that's the first segue into being healthy, is ordering a motherfucking salad.
01:05:15.000
Basically, he was saying, I'm allergic to vegetables.
01:05:33.000
They start breaking out or something or they start wet.
01:05:38.000
There was one girl told me that she don't like water.
01:05:51.000
But did she not like it because it makes her feel bad?
01:05:55.000
Or did she not like it because she prefers flavor?
01:05:58.000
That's a good point because some people like water.
01:06:07.000
Some people like I don't like water because it don't taste like sugar or anything is in it.
01:06:14.000
I do 90-minute classes, and water is delicious.
01:06:18.000
When you are sweating, and it's 105 degrees in that room, you're holding these poses, and sweat is dripping off your forehead, and you got a 64-ounce jug filled with ice and water.
01:06:31.000
It could be a Diet Coke or a fucking glass of milk.
01:06:43.000
Only time you got water was at a water fountain, water faucet, water hose.
01:06:53.000
When they started charging motherfuckers for water...
01:06:58.000
When they started charging people for water, my mother was like...
01:07:07.000
And I saw it go from charging like at McDonald's, like extra for water.
01:07:12.000
I saw it change from that to bottling and having a tag saying 99 cents for a bottle of water.
01:07:24.000
We've got to stop having bottled water in the studio.
01:07:27.000
So many people have complained and they're all right.
01:07:37.000
After we're done producing Donnell's podcast, can we figure out a bottle of water?
01:07:41.000
This is just to bring the conundrum into a good full place.
01:07:47.000
Washing everybody's cup every time is going to waste more water potentially than...
01:07:58.000
How many containers do I need to have for cups and stuff?
01:08:19.000
What makes me feel like a better person is if they think I'm a better person.
01:08:24.000
Some people are just never going to give a fuck about plastic.
01:08:32.000
I'm like, you can do, you can bury shit, you can show me the animals, the turtles, whatever.
01:08:37.000
I'm just not going to give a fuck about plastic.
01:08:45.000
The reason why I want to go back to that, because the idea of how water tastes, right?
01:08:51.000
And I want to, this goes back to, let me look this way.
01:09:12.000
And the only reason I said that in case, you know, I don't know.
01:09:14.000
I know you said you was going to do comedy, but I didn't know if he was going to crack a joke, so I just want to let you know, if you crack the joke, that dude killed himself.
01:09:35.000
I was going back to the idea of water tasting good, right?
01:09:47.000
So after you're doing your hot yoga and you're sweaty and you put that hard work in, now you understand, you appreciate the water.
01:09:54.000
So what I teach my children, right, is hard work.
01:09:58.000
When Adam, when the most hard told Adam, he said, man shall work to the sweat of his brow.
01:10:45.000
That got that motherfucking pop with no string or nothing attached to it, just a clear bite.
01:10:51.000
So I know you, and I know you looked at me again, but the water that's inside celery, I know you don't think I respect it.
01:11:05.000
I like celery with peanut butter, like celery with hummus.
01:11:07.000
You don't know how good a peach tastes until you work out.
01:11:11.000
If you lift weights and then you eat a peach, a juicy cold peach, you bite into that fucking thing.
01:11:46.000
Like, the best time you appreciate water is at night after heavy drinking.
01:11:52.000
Like, you've been, your palates and everything's been industrial to alcohol, alcohol.
01:11:57.000
You had that feeling where you had some drinks one night, the next day you drank some ice cold water, and you're like, God damn, who the fuck invented this?
01:12:13.000
But when you're drunk and you're drinking that water, you feel like an asshole.
01:12:16.000
You're like, God, what the fuck can I do with my body?
01:12:25.000
Only a person can appreciate water when they drink it is a professional drinker.
01:12:32.000
The average motherfucker that's drinking, they ain't giving a fuck about that ratio.
01:12:36.000
A buddy of mine drank with Jean-Claude Van Damme back in the day.
01:12:42.000
He said he would have a drink and he brought a gallon of water with him.
01:12:47.000
So he would have a drink and then get a big fucking chug of water.
01:12:51.000
Just kept running to the bathroom, taking a piss and coming back.
01:12:54.000
When he drank, he drank with a gallon of water and whatever the fuck he was throwing down.
01:13:02.000
I'm actually probably in the top Ten master drinkers.
01:13:10.000
Now, if you ever really want to get a crazy night of drinking and see if you can hang-hang...
01:13:15.000
Donnell just put his glass down and adjust his headphones.
01:13:17.000
No, I'm just saying, I don't even want to do this.
01:13:23.000
Anybody who ever catch me on the right day want to challenge me.
01:13:26.000
But my brother Devon said something that was really cool about drinking and smoking and everything, right?
01:13:47.000
He said you drink after you complete something and then you celebrate.
01:14:27.000
So many people that are a fan of yours spill over to fans of mine.
01:14:32.000
And I get so many tweets saying, when are you going to go on the Joe Rogan show?
01:14:39.000
I mean, I've been hearing about you, reading about you, listening to you with my friends and my peers for some years now.
01:14:52.000
Because to me, I've been listening to your music forever.
01:15:00.000
But I will tell you that your collaboration with Rage Against the Machine, Wu-Tang Clan Ain't Nothing to Fuck With is the greatest collaboration in all of rap rock.
01:15:09.000
Look, second place may be Run DMC and Aerosmith, but to me, my generation, Rage Against the Machine, and Wu-Tang Clan Ain't Nothing to Fuck With is the ultimate workout.
01:15:20.000
That fucking song, man, if you're doing deadlifts and that song, Wu-Tang, Tiger Style, you're like fucking, and you hear Tom Morello's guitar, you're like, rawr!
01:15:38.000
I like the way you start the quest of this shit.
01:15:56.000
In the design of Wu-Tang, was it designed to fall apart?
01:16:00.000
And when I say fall apart, was it designed where a group of individuals that were getting their equal due respect needed a bigger platform so everybody see them at one time?
01:16:19.000
What he's saying is, you were also talented, but together you were bigger.
01:16:25.000
Were you designed to elevate the profile of all the members?
01:16:29.000
And the reason why I say this, years ago, years ago, years ago, years ago, I had a sketch group years ago.
01:16:39.000
Everybody could be a star, they're different writers, whatever, but nobody had the plan to get the people to see that everybody is nice.
01:16:48.000
Wu-Tang was designed to come together for a common cause, right?
01:16:54.000
And that cause, of course, being to express our art, to rise ourselves out of poverty, and to feed our families.
01:17:06.000
In fact, Wu-Tang, that's why on our second album, it's called Wu-Tang Forever.
01:17:12.000
Meaning no matter what we do, no matter if I go make movies or Method Man make movies or you go and write books.
01:17:18.000
Yeah, we always got to come back together because Wu-Tang is forever.
01:17:22.000
But now to put us all on the same, like to expose it all to the world through one outlet, yes.
01:17:30.000
And the reason why I said it because when I had my sketch group, I had my sketch group years ago.
01:17:34.000
It was called Secret Society when I was doing it.
01:17:39.000
I was like, I'm going to do these jokes on my plate.
01:17:41.000
Look, and then I said, one of the managers I was working with, she was like, the name of my group was Secret Society.
01:17:48.000
She said, I had Mike Epps, I had Mark Thiel, I had Red Grant, I had some bad motherfuckers.
01:17:53.000
And she said, Donnell, I think Secret Society is falling apart.
01:18:03.000
Does it land somewhere you could grow something else?
01:18:05.000
Like, I knew it was only three people that were going to be stars.
01:18:08.000
But it was four other people that were going to be writers.
01:18:11.000
It was two other motherfuckers that was going to be...
01:18:18.000
So fall apart, that word, when you said fall apart...
01:18:24.000
And like even though like when I said that I mean it like even though like everybody for the most part everybody wanted to be a superstar.
01:18:34.000
And it's proven to this day some people's like this.
01:18:38.000
This motherfucker wrote on eight different shows.
01:18:45.000
It was like, when I say fall apart, it was like, it was going to go there, and then it was just going to be like, it fall like this.
01:18:54.000
That they're strong enough that they could exist independently.
01:19:01.000
That's why we called ourselves, we was like Wu-Tang forums like Voltron.
01:19:05.000
So you watch Voltron, each of the lions can fuck some shit up.
01:19:10.000
But when you need the blazing sword, everybody got to come together and form Voltron.
01:19:15.000
So we took that philosophy and we knew that within all of our crew that any one of us...
01:19:32.000
You the only one that got the jeans that's the size of you, son.
01:19:50.000
You know, Ghost, that nigga weighs a 32. He's like 42s all day.
01:19:59.000
Yo, you know, back in those days, man, you may have on three pair of pants.
01:20:06.000
But the main thing is that to be able to, you know what I mean, to have the alpha energy, right?
01:20:14.000
And then come to us and to an industry that was lacking that alpha energy.
01:20:22.000
Well, you had mystical philosophy behind it too.
01:20:26.000
But that was the thing about it is like Wu-Tang was inexorably connected to Kung Fu.
01:20:33.000
Yes, the ancient Chinese Kung Fu philosophy was a part of the music, man.
01:20:38.000
There was a thing about you guys that you were spiritual.
01:20:43.000
And then, of course, you had ODB, who was off the rails.
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And even though you had this sort of spiritual kung fu kind of energy to it, you also had people just off the rails partying, getting wild as fuck.
01:21:04.000
Niggas used to have fucking Wu-Tang sightings and there wasn't even no whoopers in there.
01:21:14.000
I don't know if there's ever been a group that you could just mention that anybody from Wu-Tang was there.
01:21:22.000
It was a whole bunch of not Wu-Tang motherfuckers getting a lot of pussy.
01:21:52.000
He didn't get caught till he got about 70 grand or something like that.
01:22:00.000
Because so many of us, you might not know how a motherfucker look.
01:22:07.000
You're not going to know when they start getting in.
01:22:26.000
Well, the most beautiful thing though, that's the beauty of art, creativity, and being the spiritual aspect, the alpha aspect, all these aspects multiplied us to be a unique version of the American dream.
01:22:43.000
And when you look at, you know, we did the documentary of Mikes and Men on Showtime, and you can see that it's more like, it's like the lotus leaf grows out of mud, right?
01:22:54.000
But it's a symbol of Buddhism, which is all this peace and beauty, but it grows out of mud.
01:23:00.000
And then when you go and watch our Hulu series, The American Saga, right?
01:23:09.000
Group of men weren't always on the same page, wasn't always trans with each other.
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And I think the biggest thing that I learned by putting the TV show on Hulu is that there's other kids across America in a similar situation.
01:23:34.000
But there's other kids that are hearing this, that they can resonate.
01:23:39.000
So to get my first drum machine, I had to, you know, get it by illegal means, right?
01:23:49.000
But think about how many people need something to do something but don't have the means to get it.
01:23:58.000
At the end of the day, the way I really got my equipment, I definitely try to do any way to get it, but I didn't get it by stealing it.
01:24:09.000
You didn't just want to get it for saying, I got it.
01:24:12.000
You wanted it because you wanted to do something with it.
01:24:24.000
Yeah, you see dudes walking around selling socks.
01:24:41.000
You get maybe, you can get a dozen for $30, right?
01:24:47.000
So you get a dozen packs for $30 with six in a pack.
01:24:52.000
And you sell them for $10 just for the whole pack of socks.
01:24:54.000
But you gotta find a neighborhood that needs socks.
01:24:56.000
You just can't go in a neighborhood that got a lot of socks.
01:25:02.000
You can't go to a sock and fix the neighborhood.
01:25:20.000
Usually people go uptown to buy their clothes, high-end clothes.
01:25:32.000
Like, I could get $100 worth of drugs uptown, bring it back downtown, sell it for $200.
01:25:37.000
Yeah, it's just saying, like, in the heart of uptown, they had the best rates on any drug you ever needed.
01:25:49.000
And sell it downtown, or even take it back to Staten Island, you're gonna triple your money.
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And that's when all the New York motherfuckers was coming down to D.C. and Virginia.
01:26:13.000
And take it uptown because the drug dealers are fly.
01:26:18.000
So now they're buying the socks for $10 that you paid $5 for.
01:26:24.000
Do you remember in New York when they had movies?
01:26:26.000
Remember they had VHS tapes where people would sit in the back of the movie theater and film the movie and make a VHS? They'd set up a camcorder, film it.
01:26:41.000
That's when VCR just came in, so it didn't matter the quality, you just had to have something to put in the fucking new technology.
01:26:49.000
You know what art form or whatever supports new technology, always deal with?
01:27:02.000
Whenever there's a new whether it's from beta to VHS to CD, it's porno that gets people to explore the new technology.
01:27:15.000
Yeah, because there's so many people that are jerking off.
01:27:27.000
How do you get it to them where you can make some money?
01:27:36.000
The only thing that's been explained to me though, the way we think about people stealing music or people stealing comedy, they think about stealing porn.
01:27:43.000
So if you go to certain sites where it's just free and you just watch porn, apparently the people that make it, they don't get a piece of that.
01:27:49.000
So someone's making a ton of money and the other people are stealing.
01:27:53.000
You can't negotiate too much if your pussy's wide open.
01:27:58.000
I know, like, this is not why we're doing your rights.
01:28:01.000
Like, you need to get somebody in between you making your argument.
01:28:06.000
I see what you're saying, but, I mean, isn't it...
01:28:14.000
If it's legal, and you hire a cameraman, you pay an actor, you pay an actress, you let him fuck, you give him a certain amount, you film it, and then that's yours.
01:28:26.000
And then someone takes that and then they put it up on their website and then you could watch it for free and they sell advertising space and they make money off something that they didn't buy.
01:28:37.000
Yeah, it's no different than if they downloaded a Wu-Tang album and then they started selling it.
01:28:43.000
They put it on a website and then put ads connected to that Wu-Tang album.
01:28:48.000
So then that means they need to get better lawyers, negotiate better stories, better contracts.
01:28:52.000
What happened to you guys with that one album, that drug pharmacy dude, Martin, what's his name?
01:29:02.000
Of one of your albums that's an unreleased Wu-Tang album.
01:29:12.000
The reality of it is that it's now sitting in a temperature control room in the Department of Justice.
01:29:26.000
And so I think a lot of his assets have been seized by the government.
01:29:34.000
Who the fuck figures out a way to make music into art?
01:30:15.000
I did have a conversation with a gentleman, right?
01:30:20.000
Because he had a lot of bad things going on for him.
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I said, yo, if I was you, I would take this chance to do philanthropy.
01:30:32.000
Based on how much he had talking from the public.
01:30:34.000
Like we talked about earlier, he wasn't a nice person.
01:30:38.000
He didn't want to give the impression that he was a nice person.
01:30:43.000
And what you said was he was having too much fun, son.
01:31:00.000
No, he made his money in the pharmaceutical industry.
01:31:03.000
Yeah, he was immigrant parents who was like janitors.
01:31:11.000
He was part of the company, but I think one thing that he had, he had tenacity more than anything.
01:31:18.000
But he probably never experienced a public eye like he did with this whole pharmaceutical crisis where he's overcharging for, was it AIDS medication?
01:31:23.000
No, I think he probably did, but I think that his point, he wanted to be known as that guy.
01:31:33.000
He didn't mind being a supervillain, let's put it that way.
01:31:48.000
But I did tell him, I mean, me, I'm the type of person, I'm always going to try to say some advice in a positive form.
01:32:07.000
I say, if I was you, I'll take this opportunity to do something good.
01:32:12.000
Maybe he sells me the box and then we release the music.
01:32:16.000
I'll buy the whole thing from him and then we'll release it.
01:32:26.000
The weird thing for me, I don't think there's ever...
01:32:44.000
When you play Monopoly, and you're in jail, it's your turn.
01:32:58.000
I think, I don't, my personal opinion, nobody in the history of music has been able to make an idea or a song that's never heard art.
01:33:14.000
Like, to be quite honest, there might not even be no motherfuckin' songs in there.
01:33:26.000
What I'm saying is, the point I'm making is, it's more valuable, never being heard, never being cracked, than released.
01:33:37.000
You release it, then you set it up for people to be critical of it, kind of give their opinion.
01:33:42.000
The opinion is, there was something so dope that we could just break it down to one thing.
01:33:52.000
From my point of view, music was being devalued.
01:34:17.000
Let's just take Napster, who's the founder of this type of technology.
01:34:21.000
And he takes millions of songs and gives them away.
01:34:25.000
And now people are getting all these songs for free.
01:34:28.000
Now the music industry, like any other industry, has a certain quota of business it does every year.
01:34:36.000
Whether it's $4 billion a year or $5 billion a year, it's an industry of a group of people and that's their yearly quota.
01:34:42.000
So if Napster comes, right, and he takes all these songs where all these people who are waiting for their publishing checks, waiting for their economics to be created from music, now there's no publishing check.
01:34:55.000
All the numbers are now decreased because there's no physical sale of your music for us to accumulate a value to send you a check.
01:35:02.000
But then at the end of the day, after he does that...
01:35:08.000
So now you're talking what belongs to, let's say there's a thousand artists that's worth value as far as, you know, that sell records that you could, say, accumulate money, right?
01:35:18.000
So we took the power of a thousand and put it in one man's hand, okay?
01:35:23.000
So that's one of the first mistakes as an industry we make.
01:35:27.000
And then the second mistake we make is that now there's services going and there's illegal downloads I think?
01:35:57.000
Without your headphones, without music, your headphones is useless.
01:36:01.000
So why would you not pay the 10, 20 hours for the music?
01:36:20.000
What's the best way that you get the most out of it?
01:36:22.000
Well, the best way in the past was physical, but now the industry has figured out how to monetize the digital streaming.
01:36:31.000
But during this period of time, maybe within the last three, four years, it's starting to rebalance.
01:36:35.000
But you look at from 2000 to 2015, there's a total unbalance.
01:36:42.000
And a lot of artists have to stop making music because there's no economics in it.
01:36:50.000
Let's just say the average verse for a woo rapper, you know, let's say, yo, let me get 16. He might be like, yo, yeah, son.
01:37:09.000
So now let's just say he got 10 verses on this album.
01:37:17.000
So to get an album made, it may cost a million dollars.
01:37:21.000
A studio session is up to, let's say at the cheapest level, 100 bucks an hour.
01:37:30.000
That's another grand a day just to get into the studio.
01:37:37.000
But now you get all this done, and you want to sell it, and the world just takes it for free.
01:37:46.000
Now even though the tools have gotten easier now, and you can do a lot with your laptop and all that, even a laptop is 2Gs, bro.
01:38:06.000
It's merchandise and being able to take the idea of that brand and make it more money.
01:38:09.000
But if you're a fan, what's the best way to support you?
01:38:29.000
But if you're going to give directions to fans, like what's the best way to support Wu-Tang Clan?
01:38:33.000
What's the best way to accumulate music, acquire music?
01:38:44.000
The second thing, the catch-22 here, Joe, is this.
01:38:51.000
So, while at one point I tried to prove a point by saying, look, I'm going to put a value on it so you know there's a value to it because there's a value to me.
01:38:59.000
But then on the other point, right, I put another album out called A Better Tomorrow, which is like, yo, do what you want with that.
01:39:06.000
Because I don't make music for me to listen to.
01:39:08.000
I make it for the world to listen to it at the same time.
01:39:11.000
So, the best way to support your artist is just by listening to the music.
01:39:20.000
This is because I've always wanted to know this because I've always been like, what do I do?
01:39:29.000
Yeah, I think the system has found a way to balance itself.
01:39:38.000
I think even Taylor Swift is thinking about coming over to the streaming thing.
01:39:43.000
Everybody's going to come to the streaming show.
01:39:48.000
The only thing, like you said, just the whole thing at the end of the day is play fair.
01:39:53.000
You can say, I don't want this streaming service, but somebody has to have a platform for people to even come check for you.
01:40:04.000
If I'm a fan and $14 is not too much money for me to spend, I need to know where to spend it.
01:40:11.000
If there's one place you could tell me, that's the best way to support Wu-Tang Clan.
01:40:15.000
If I was a fan and I had the money to spend, I would buy the vinyl.
01:40:37.000
Yo, that's so funny that you said that because I know people of certain...
01:40:47.000
They want audio rights to something so they can put it on vinyl.
01:40:55.000
Like, a motherfucker won a vinyl Wu-Tang because it's art.
01:41:08.000
Now, I'm not saying it's going to go to clubs or anything like that and the DJs like that, but the act of collecting something and take home with you.
01:41:23.000
Why would I buy this CD? Because it has a booklet.
01:41:29.000
That was a big part of what albums were was the artwork.
01:41:39.000
Big Bamboo, they gave you a giant piece of rolling paper.
01:41:44.000
And I don't see what you did, but I don't see people doing that.
01:41:50.000
Everybody's not going to have 1200s in their house or whatever, but some people, especially if it's a genre or something that you connect with, they're going to be like, I want to buy that.
01:41:59.000
Well, you know what's important, though, for fans?
01:42:07.000
No, you're going to talk shit when I leave, son.
01:42:09.000
You'll be like, he probably wouldn't go eat some bacon or something.
01:42:17.000
There's no clearly established what's the best way to support an artist.
01:42:24.000
Look, the physical act of going somewhere, right?
01:42:34.000
Look, the food is three times the price of cooking at home, but it's a physical act.
01:42:39.000
So if you really love an artist, it's just like I paid $100 for the soundtrack to the Once Upon a Time in Hollywood soundtrack.
01:43:56.000
So when I see him, I'm going to give it to him.
01:44:10.000
I went in there, and I was like, yo, they had the first issue of the new X-Men.
01:44:19.000
Now, of course, you could go online, but the physical, tangible thing, I think, is the best way to support artists.
01:44:26.000
And nowadays, the way artists actually make the most economics...
01:44:33.000
So the only way that's going to work is if somebody hears your music.
01:44:40.000
We're creating something for you to understand or for you to feel a vibe or for me to take you to my location, like Cash Rule, everything around me.
01:44:48.000
We're taking you back to New York, the New York crime side, you know what I mean?
01:44:52.000
And then when you come down and you get that song in your DNA and you come to a concert and you see us perform it, now we have a symbiotic relationship, you know what I mean?
01:45:04.000
That's beautiful because you're giving them a physical object.
01:45:21.000
He had it, I mean, I think they bought it, what, two million now?
01:45:32.000
I'm going to release it, if that's okay with you.
01:45:59.000
Martin, Martin, Martin, when you getting out, I need the box for the desk, Martin.
01:46:05.000
Did you, um, so, so, wow, so, so now that Donnell's gone, I can talk about him right now.
01:46:15.000
I've shamed him into doing one episode that he already did, because he didn't want to come here and tell me that he hadn't done it yet.
01:46:22.000
So he did one, and then we're going to take that one.
01:46:33.000
I've just been trying to get him to do it forever.
01:46:49.000
Is it all physical with yoga for you or is it something spiritual?
01:46:52.000
No, it's a mind cleansing thing as much as it's a physical cleansing thing because it's all about concentrating on my breath and ignoring all the fucking ideas that keep darting in and out of my head.
01:47:02.000
It's just like meditation in the sense that I'm trying to calm myself down and center myself and I'm trying to cleanse myself.
01:47:09.000
So when I'm holding poses and I'm concentrating on my Breathing, what it does is it eliminates all of the stuff that I don't necessarily want in my head.
01:47:20.000
And I think that's the thing that is misunderstood about yoga.
01:47:24.000
Because in my opinion, and I've done both, I've done regular meditation, I've done physical exercise.
01:47:28.000
I think there's a benefit, a great unrecognized benefit to physical meditation.
01:47:34.000
And I find that in yoga, I find that in martial arts.
01:47:47.000
Jamie and I have been talking about it for three years.
01:47:52.000
Oh, it's being refilled with terrifying concoctions.
01:47:57.000
So we're talking about physical meditation, right?
01:48:02.000
So let's just say there's a meditation where you just sit still and you just breathe.
01:48:09.000
So I'm going to give you a little Wu-Tang lore.
01:48:13.000
The story is there's a monk named Changseng Fei who leaves Shaolin Temple because he feels that the physical exercise is not the pure way to enlightenment.
01:48:37.000
But in the process of doing internal Kung Fu, such as Tai Chi, Zen Yi, Bakwa, right?
01:48:46.000
Like, these techniques, like, there's this thing called the Ace Piece Brocade, where you just sit.
01:48:57.000
It's called banging on the heavenly drums to open up the back of your brain.
01:49:02.000
If you do that right now, if you cover your ears, right?
01:49:20.000
And that's just to open up your brain, like to open that up, right?
01:49:24.000
You do it while inhaling, exhaling, balancing again and yank.
01:49:41.000
You want to open up your main vessels, you know what I mean?
01:49:45.000
Of course being your ears, your eyes, your nose, your mouth.
01:49:48.000
That goes back to Jesus saying, The seven churches.
01:49:55.000
Well, he spoke to the two eyes, the two nose, two holes in your nose, your mouth, and your two ears.
01:50:00.000
He said, out of his mouth came a double-edged sword.
01:50:03.000
The sword, of course, no sword can't come out of your mouth.
01:50:09.000
Shout out to all the preachers that are eating pussy, but go ahead.
01:50:13.000
Wait, that's P-E-P. You got to make that an acronym.
01:50:18.000
P-E-P. But anyway, before the Coneligas part of it comes, right?
01:50:30.000
So Wu-Tang itself, right, this guy leaves the temple, goes to the mountain to meditate, and he's dealing with still meditation.
01:50:39.000
But in all reality, when you mix it together, Wu-Tang and Shaolin, you have the physical and the still meditation.
01:50:47.000
And it takes both to actually find this level of enlightenment you're looking for.
01:50:52.000
So when Bodhidharma came to Shaolin, he actually came from India.
01:50:57.000
So Bodhidharma was an Indian monk who was more of a yoga student.
01:51:02.000
He comes to Shaolin and he's trying to teach them the Indian way, but he realized that all the monks are too weak to sit there and they're still meditation.
01:51:10.000
And so he created something called the low hands, right?
01:51:15.000
And these forms and these steps were made so that now they could do a physical movement To build their body up so now they can meditate longer.
01:51:26.000
What's the use of a strong mind without a strong body?
01:51:30.000
And what's the use of a strong body without a strong mind?
01:51:35.000
And so that's the Shaolin and Wu-Tang philosophy.
01:51:38.000
So when we made Wu-Tang Clan, and I'll go back to myself with this, we made Wu-Tang Clan as the name of our crew.
01:51:44.000
We took the verse from the Bible about the double-edged sword and Jesus speaking, right?
01:51:49.000
We said, okay, We're going to use our words and our wisdom and our spirituality to talk to the world through our music, right?
01:52:00.000
They said the Wu-Tang martial art monks, they developed the best sword style.
01:52:08.000
But we come from Shaolin because that's the well which springs forth, right?
01:52:15.000
And so we took the physical of Shaolin as our base, the spiritual, the meditative force of Wu-Tang, and we put it together.
01:52:22.000
And our album starts off, if what you say is true, the Shaolin and the Wu-Tang could be dangerous.
01:53:01.000
I respect that, and you sound very white right now, but I'm just saying, motherfucker, Riz is in here.
01:53:12.000
Yo, when I did that show, Hollyweed, with Kevin Smith, there was this part.
01:53:29.000
Listen, when I was doing the Kevin Smith show, Holly Weed, there was a part where I own a dispensary.
01:53:38.000
And the only time I think I can spit is when I smoke weed.
01:53:41.000
So I'm smoking weed, and I just was doing these bars.
01:53:49.000
At the end of every one, I say Wu-Tang and Kevin Smith know me.
01:53:53.000
Every time I text him, he's like, Wu-Tang forever.
01:53:57.000
This is what I pitched to him for the Hollywood show.
01:54:01.000
Like, they know every time I write, it's like, yo, nigga, Wu-Tang forever.
01:54:06.000
So we had, I had pitched a scene where all I'm saying is Wu-Tang, Wu-Tang, and I'm in a dispensary, right?
01:54:12.000
And then you know how they had security cams and shit?
01:54:21.000
The actual Wu-Tang show up to the weed spot, and that's the thing I punctuate all my raps with.
01:54:27.000
Dave did have a lot of jokes with Wu-Tang in it, right?
01:54:55.000
And then he goes into the scene where he's at a party and he had the transgender dude fall out and all that and everything.
01:55:04.000
And then he goes, you know, he don't understand how somebody do that.
01:55:21.000
Me and my wife both was like, we both kind of didn't say nothing like for the first three minutes.
01:55:40.000
Next fucking day, next fucking day, I'm somewhere at a meeting, an elevator, and boom, it hits me.
01:55:53.000
No, so what was the difference with what you thought you didn't get, but what made you get it?
01:56:06.000
You're going to get the rhyme when you get the rhyme, right?
01:56:08.000
So what he was saying, he said he don't understand how a man chop his dick off.
01:56:21.000
What I got was the most gangster phrase you could say that describes the hardest shit you could do is Wu-Tang.
01:56:42.000
Because one of your Wu-Tang mans did that shit.
01:56:50.000
There's a dude that was affiliated with us, right?
01:57:00.000
Hold on, then I gotta give you a test before we go further.
01:57:05.000
From the slum to Shaolin, Wu-Tang clan strikes the game.
01:57:08.000
The RZA, the JZA. Old Dirty Bastard, Inspector Deck, Raekwon the Chef, U-Guard, Ghostface Killer, and Method Man.
01:57:21.000
Method Man and Raekwon are in New York right now for the Jets-Giants game, right?
01:57:26.000
Of course, Cappadonna and Master Killer and a lot of mathematics and sometimes even Redman and Streetlight.
01:57:49.000
So one of the members of the North Star zoned out.
01:58:21.000
The punchline is like, because this dude, for no reason...
01:58:40.000
That's a genius joke when he hits you like 24 hours later, son.
01:58:48.000
Oh man, I remember when we were on the road when that actually was the news.
01:58:53.000
And he was like, Wu-Tang punctuated so much in anything, whatever you do.
01:59:01.000
So when a member, Or at least an affiliated member of the Wu-Tang cuts off his dick.
01:59:21.000
I'm quite sure it's hurtful to him, but it was hurtful in a sense like when it happened, I was doing a TV show called Gang Mulated, right?
01:59:29.000
And so, you know, like I would go like, say it happened on the night it happened, the next night is a cast where the whole cast get together.
01:59:37.000
This is like on every network, every TMZ. This is like, oh shit.
01:59:40.000
And I'll come in the room and everybody's like, What the fuck happened?
01:59:45.000
Yeah, but I'm telling you, the thing about it is I don't know what you need to do to represent your gangster, but cutting your dick off is the most go-hard shit a motherfucker could do.
01:59:57.000
Now, homie, so I had a buddy with me at the time, Paul Banks from Interpol, and we was working on the album, and so he saw me, he's like, damn, Bobby, you look kind of fucking depressed.
02:00:06.000
I said, yo, man, Like, I don't like the way this shit sound, man.
02:00:11.000
It's like, the press, it feels, it don't feel right.
02:00:14.000
I said, first of all, I don't think I found in the history of me, of my study, I never heard of a man chopping his own shit off.
02:00:23.000
So, I'm already, even though some people may have done it, this shit is biblical.
02:00:34.000
And what he said to me, what he said, he's like, listen, He probably was really fucked up.
02:00:51.000
Then they say he jumped out the window out of a two-story...
02:00:55.000
He jumped over the balcony of a two-story apartment building, but didn't die.
02:01:08.000
Cut your dick off jumping over and then hit full stride when it hit down.
02:01:26.000
And he went on to give me this whole story about one of his friends that had a problem.
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Right now I'm kind of puzzled, so he's trying to console me.
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And he told me, I said, yeah, but he didn't die.
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So he said, I had a friend who used to drink and shit.
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And he laid on the fucking balcony of a window, right?
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He said, if he fall this way, he's going down 10 stories.
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But if he go this way, he's just hit the floor.
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Point being made is that you ain't going to go until it's time to go.
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So you think you're killing yourself, it ain't happening.
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But if you cut your dick off and you survived that, that's the time to go.
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I was like, I think you might have to get into some studies, brother.
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And the question was, when you jumped, he said, yeah.
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He's like, for that moment, everything else was whatever it was.
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And you could read his story, and he says what happened in the story.
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But when he jumped, that was the moment of sobriety.
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When he jumped, when he cut his dick off, that wasn't the moment of sobriety?
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And we was going to room-to-room fucking girls.
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And you're just going room to room, room to room, room.
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And then the high kick back in, you go knock on the door.
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You're like, yo, yo, yo, I'm alright, the dick back, the dick is back, the dick is back.
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You're like, I don't know where those loads went.
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But I'm telling you, that's like forever will be the most gangsta shit you can do.
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Don't say that because people are going to film it now.
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They're going to world start hoping that Dave sees it.
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I went there, and you said, and the thing about it was...
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He guilted Jamie into being the technical advisor.
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He guilted you into the music, and then he tried to pretend like you were trying to run out of here.
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What I said was like, I'm sick of you talking shit to me.
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I said, could you just produce the first episode?
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The only thing I was doing was being cooperative.
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One would be, like, maybe kind of hip-hoppy, and one would be like...
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They'd be like this, and that was the works from NB Minors.
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And so, I know that shit make my brain feel relaxed like a motherfucker.
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Don't know, we're going to have to edit that out.
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You can't tell people what your goddamn email is.
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If you show it, if you wouldn't have said it, nobody would have knew it.
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Man, I'm telling you, my shit is gonna blow, son!
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Well, you can't spell the shit the way he spelled it.
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Dudes are loading up dicks in their email browser.
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We're gonna cut to me during the take so that you don't see your lips moving either.
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Before I slip out and go catch this story before it closes, give me one serious visual question.
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Jamie's going to beep over Donald's description of his email.
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So the Hulu show was created by me, my partner Alex C., executive producer Brian Grazer.
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And he, well, he's an entertainment icon and genius in what he do.
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And that led to him having an interest in making this into a TV series, you know what I mean?
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And so we partnered up with Alex C., Francie Calfo.
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And it follows us pre-Wu-Tang days in all reality.
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So you get to see some of the things that happened in our neighborhoods and some of the things that molded us to the men that we became.
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And it's not only because of like, you know, we have the liberty to fictionalize some things, right?
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So for instance, there could be a character, you know, you think about Eric Garner.
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That's like popular within the last three to five years, right?
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But for us, that same thing happened when we was kids in our neighborhood.
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And we was able to, through the show, kind of go back and look at some of the same problems that That we have as American citizens in our communities that we're still facing today.
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For instance, in episode three, one of my favorite episodes, you see a black mother addressing a funeral.
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About how so many of these kids are dying from gun violence over things that's not even valuable.
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Things that could be replaced, whether it's sneakers or gold chain.
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You know, as a mother, the pain of labor, you hear how painful that is, right?
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So imagine the pain a woman feels when their child is killed in cold blood.
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And she goes on to say, we never see our children as thieves, gangsters, you know, criminals.
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And we're turning our community into a war zone.
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And we got to realize that this is our community and these are our babies.
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So the show gets a chance to tap into all of that because these things happen.
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I was like, a black person's perspective and their views and how they look at guns is totally different from someone that grew around where the NRA was strong, that grew around where they had gun laws.
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With an average black person, when you think about a gun, you think about something that could take somebody's life.
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And not only that, you also think about a gun in certain cases where it took a life of somebody that was innocent.
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So, like, most black people, their connection with guns is totally different from just, like, hunting and I want to protect my household.
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But at the same time, we also tap into that feeling when the kid gets a new drum machine, right?
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And he's gonna stay up all night and figure it out.
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You know, like for the case of me, that SP-1200, I made that beat for Bring the Pain, which was one of Method Man's first videos and one of his first charting songs.
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Me trying to figure this thing out and figure it out and then make something...
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And getting excited every time you figure it out.
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And then make something that the world appreciates.
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At the time, my mother was working for a man named Fat Larry.
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No, he actually was an Italian guy who ran the number spots on Staten Island.
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It felt so illegal and fucked up, but it was so good.
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It was like, oh shit, I ain't telling nobody I'm out here.
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So anyway, it was an honor to work with Imagine TV. Brian Grazer, Ron Howard also blessed us on it as well.
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How does it feel to be respected as a hip-hop pioneer, as someone that started some different shit?
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You could rock with Wu-Tang forever, but you've still been able to be identified like you.
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How does it feel to go through the hip-hop thing and then being respected in the film world, in the writing world, like you are now?
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You can say that without no jokes, no strings attached.
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And the beauty of it all, for me, for the RZA, is that every step that I take and every footprint I leave, I leave it for hip-hop.
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So you think about, of course, Dr. Dre is in front of me.
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And so I had his records before I had a record.
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And so I watched the NWA movie and I'm like, wow, it's a movie now.
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And now, you know, how do I take it to another level?
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And now somebody else in hip-hop could take a look at that and they could say, wow, what can we do now to take it to another level?
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For me, the biggest reward is knowing that there's footprints being left by the abbot, as they call me the abbot.
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But the abbot is leaving footprints on showing people in hip-hop you don't have to be crabs in the barrel or trying to say a rhyme or trying to make a beat.
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I mean, you could take your art And put it in many forms because there's many outlets of art.
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Even a good editor, a hip-hop video editor, it's a certain style to his editing, right?
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A lot of young people, you know, in many fields, we all sometimes strive towards the same...
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Goal, not realizing how many people it takes to achieve the goal.
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And through film, and with this, through film being one of the most collaborative art forms there is.
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You watch a movie, you'll see, you know, hundreds of names go by.
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When I did my movie, Man with the Iron Fist, I had...
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Yo, you know, the weird thing about it, like...
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Man, like me being on the outside and seeing your career and everything, man, that connection felt so like it made so much sense, son.
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And the Baddest Man Alive is like number two, right behind the Rage Against the Machine-Wu-Tang collaboration.
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But point being made that 500 people was employed.
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So think about the young people out there who's trying to figure out where did their art fit in?
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And I'll say to them, look, it took 500 people to make that, okay?
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And you never know where your talent is going to fall.
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So, like, he told you to spit 16. You ain't got to spit 16. No, no, he got to spit 16. No, no, no.
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But his talking, listen, his talking attract millions just like my spitting 16. Yo.
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This is why I wanted him to spend 16. Because I knew he was going to say, where the fuck is your podcast, right?
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Before he gets to the podcast, I want to do the 16. Already know...
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This motherfucker's voice is the voice of this whole shit.
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And a motherfucker that can just sit there and talk to somebody forever.
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And not only just talk to somebody forever, that's after doing comedy.
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I was a comedy and then I got time to talk to somebody forever and I don't have to talk about none of the shit I did last night.
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Is my egotistic personality part of my coexistence, or is it just a dangerous stranger paying me an uninvited visit, like an unwanted Christmas guest?
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Or is it just a fragment of my lower self, envy, greed, and lust?
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I was dangling in the dirt like a pair of loose shoestrings, but I was born in the USA like Bruce Springsteen, torn between the temptation of bringing the ruckus to maintaining the structure to keeping girls on my payroll that'll cut your nuts off after they fuck you before you rupture.
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They try to put me in a quiet place where the words stop.
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Or put me in a closed pen space, ruin life through a bird box.
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But close the windows, shut the doors, scatter dirt on the floor so the sound of my footsteps are dampened and dissolved.
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While they walk around, we look blindfolded as they kill our boys.
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And these crazy races roam with cold steel and they kill for joy.
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Blood spills inside the church and outside the shopping store, inside the movie theater, school campus and church or the synagogues.
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Most cases get acquitted by mental illness and no guns are prohibited.
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Is it rational to think this is a national problem, therefore it's a threat to national security and the National Guard needs to solve it?
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It's a problem of individuals who are not in accord with the principle of one nation under God indivisible.