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00:02:10.000But there's a feeling that you get after you do a good sauna session where everything is just like...
00:02:15.000Yeah, but you know, a lot of this also has to do with arriving at a point in your life where you're happy with what you've done, the decisions you've made.
00:02:25.000So I sleep, for me, eight hours of sleep, seven and a half hours, and then as long as I don't eat...
00:03:23.000And his methods are so contrary to how you would normally think about weightlifting in particular, going to failure all the time, but yet also make sense.
00:03:45.000He's like, if you can do something for 10 repetitions, you want to do about 5, and then you want to wait between 5 and 10 minutes before you do it again.
00:04:08.000There's some people out there that are in phenomenal shape working out like that.
00:04:12.000But what makes sense about what he's saying is the amount of time required for your body to recover.
00:04:19.000If you give yourself your body's ability to recover in between sets, you let everything sort of come back to baseline before you jack it up again like another set.
00:05:25.000Oh, 260. When he was wrestling, he was 280. And what you don't realize is he played professional football for, I think it was four or seven years.
00:11:07.000I know he's got some shit going wrong, but he still looks like him.
00:11:11.000A lot of these guys are fucked up, man, where the back injuries have forced them to be very tight and They're rigid and they can't move so good anymore.
00:11:19.000That's where Diamond Dallas Page has done an amazing job, is getting these guys into yoga and getting these guys specifically into his style of yoga, which is a lot of dynamic tension stuff too.
00:11:30.000He's helped so many of those guys get over serious back injuries.
00:14:08.000I've heard before, and I don't know if this is true, but many people have told me, and this is like this long-standing thing, that, you know, Chevy Chase is kind of known as a grumpy guy.
00:14:25.000Just stop and think about all the times you saw Chevy Chase fall down in movies and in TV shows.
00:14:32.000And one of the things that happens, obviously, to older athletes that play football or combat sports or boxing is getting beat up like that, getting slammed around like that.
00:14:49.000Especially the athletes get the PTSD. But what you're seeing with him, it very well could be that that guy hurt his body real bad doing pratfalls.
00:15:00.000Buster Keaton, who was like the very first ever stuntman, who did crazy shit, man.
00:15:06.000Have you ever watched some old Buster Keaton films?
00:15:08.000The stunts that that guy did back when they couldn't fake anything.
00:16:51.000You're talking to a moron who had stem cells shot in his knee the other day because I tore my meniscus in a kicking contest with Joe Schilling when I had my pants on.
00:17:34.000Like a spinning back kick or a turning side kick, the amount of torque that's involved, when you have that knee up and you're turning the corner and then you shove that fucking thing through, Like, oh my god, the amount of torque that's involved, if that thing doesn't move,
00:18:10.000There's like a little bit of flex to a roundhouse kick.
00:18:13.000But a straight kick, it's like so much of it is on the joint of the knee.
00:18:17.000So much of it, like a side kick in particular, so much of it when you extend, like there's a lot of pressure on that knee and a lot of pressure on the foot too if you hit it wrong.
00:18:27.000Like if you hit it with the ball of the foot instead of the heel, oh my god, you could break your ankle.
00:18:31.000I feel like guys like Henry Cejudo, those guys coming out of the Olympic training centers, like the national coach for the USA gymnastics team, he was like, my athletes don't get injured, for the most part.
00:18:48.000And the boring as shit exercises we have our athletes do before they start kind of putting that kind of pressure on their joints is pedantic.
00:19:45.000That Marlon Marais fight was fucking incredible.
00:19:47.000The fact that that guy was able to weather that storm of that first round, and look, Marlon Marais in that first round looked like an assassin.
00:19:54.000He looked like one of the best fighters ever.
00:19:56.000And then Cejudo, and he is, but Cejudo just changed everything in the second round.
00:20:02.000He got in his face, he put it to him, he pressured him, and Marlon was, he felt too big, too big when he was cutting the weight.
00:20:10.000Like he came in too heavy and it was too much of a drain on him.
00:20:49.000I'll say it 101. I don't like the way these fights are scored.
00:20:52.000I don't think we should be using this really blunt tool for fine work.
00:20:58.000I think there's a lot that goes on in a fight, and we should probably have a conference where martial arts experts and, you know, whether it's from different disciplines, wrestling, kickboxing, whatever, everybody get together and just let's try to come up with a better solution.
00:21:17.000Someone should be able to come up with a better scoring system.
00:23:47.000There's something about some of those Russian dudes.
00:23:49.000You grab them and you're like, hey, what are you made out of?
00:23:52.000And Russian, by the way, you can also say most of the great wrestlers and stuff are from places like Azerbaijan, Dagestan, the Turkmen people, where fighting is a way of life.
00:25:14.000I think there was a moment in the first round where you could say Marais took control early, landed some good shots, and then he did get the taketown later in the fight, in the first round.
00:26:13.000You can't just have guys lose decisions and there's decisions being made by people who shouldn't even be in this conversation as far as what's more or less valuable in terms of technique.
00:26:27.000I think, so if you're a boxer, landing a jab is always easier than landing a right hand against somebody who's equally as good as you are, okay?
00:26:34.000So landing a right hand's a motherfucker.
00:26:38.000So I think that a push kick with your front foot is not the same as a switch kick that blasts somebody in their fucking head or their ribs.
00:26:51.000I don't know how you would categorize it, but maybe the equivalent of what a right hand is, which is...
00:26:58.000Somebody trying to actually close the deal and knock you out versus set you up with a jab.
00:27:03.000Setting you up with a jab, setting you up with a front kick, setting you up with those things is different than blasting somebody with a double leg, blasting somebody with a back foot roundhouse kick, a wheel kick.
00:28:38.000What's more important to escape is when a guy has your fucking back and he has an arm under your chin and you're just fighting hands, you don't want to be there, man.
00:28:48.000And if he has enough squeeze and enough energy to just fuck...
00:28:51.000Damien Maia can make people tap across their face.
00:29:37.000I got Schaub so riled up on the podcast because I said to Schaub, Schaub goes, it just bothered me that Hegan said that Ashton could beat Conor McGregor in jiu-jitsu.
00:30:04.000It's not impossible for someone who's really dedicated to jiu-jitsu to get to a point where they could tap an MMA fighter.
00:30:11.000Because most elite MMA fighters have many, many skills and many, many different things that they're working on constantly.
00:30:19.000If you're just concentrating on jiu-jitsu, particularly with the leg block guys...
00:30:23.000Yeah, they're going to be better at it.
00:30:25.000Just like if you just go to box, you know, if someone invites you, you know, like Terrence Crawford invites someone to go to his camp and box.
00:30:35.000In fact, TJ Dillashaw said that about Lomachenko, that he boxed with Lomachenko and it felt like he was just being kind to him.
00:31:39.000I mean, his body is a race car, you know?
00:31:41.000He's not doing that dumb shit that you and I would do.
00:31:44.000Just go in there and see, how much can you bench?
00:31:46.000You mean just getting in there and going?
00:31:48.000Yeah, Ari and Bert and Tom were in the back, fucking around with my weights, and none of them could do 225. And so I went back there, and I was like, can you do 225?
00:37:13.000And one of the things as you get older that's really important to do is to always be willing not only to change your mind and admit that you probably...
00:37:23.000You could be completely wrong, but also to always be able to justify with reason and with measured argument your most cherished beliefs.
00:37:35.000Because so much of who we are is what we believe.
00:37:38.000So much of who we are is just where I stand politically.
00:37:42.000All those things that I've worked hard to kind of come up with a comprehensive political and philosophical mooring to stand on.
00:37:52.000Well, If I then relax and I listen and accept what's given to me without putting it through the grinder and really sitting down and testing it, then I'm guilty of being philosophically complacent and basically...
00:38:13.000It's just you're a slave to your ego, right?
00:38:39.000Because you decide that you're the person who got bullied after seventh grade and you're a loser and everybody hates you.
00:38:46.000And those feelings, you can cling on to those fuckers and they'll weigh you down.
00:38:51.000You can cling on to them and you can take them into your later life.
00:38:54.000And I know people that are like, man, they're in their 60s.
00:38:57.000There was this, this, uh, maybe you told me this.
00:39:03.000Did you tell me the story about this dude who was like an older guy that was afraid to walk down a certain road because this other older guy who used to bully him in high school lived there?
00:39:14.000Somebody told me this and this guy was in his 60s and he was scared to go down this road because this guy lived there who used to bully him in high school and the guy still fucked with him.
00:39:47.000Because it opens up new pathways of understanding somehow.
00:39:52.000So what I do now with people who I disagree with philosophically, you know, like say I'm talking to somebody who's a hardcore socialist or something like that.
00:43:26.000They're very smart, and they know they are, which is one of the reasons why they want to make an argument to push something like that through and think that it makes sense.
00:43:46.000But you also get seasoned, meaning you experience so many different human beings that exhibit these sort of stereotypes and these patterns of behavior.
00:43:56.000And you've got to know when people are being knuckleheads, and you've got to know when people are being wise and objective, and you've got to know when people are being kind and loving, and you've got to know when people are being assholes.
00:44:36.000What would happen is we might come with more of a Republican or a Democratic or a Liberal or a Conservative sensibility initially.
00:44:42.000I think once you get down to the level of detail and you're trying to solve these problems, all that ideology kind of goes out the window because now you're dealing with hard numbers and math and you're trying to deal in percentages and you're trying to deal with what's the best policy for the most number of people.
00:44:56.000And so it becomes way grayer and way less teamy.
00:45:03.000You are somebody that has to solve problems.
00:45:05.000If you are somebody who has to turn a profit, if you're somebody who has to figure out what your clientele actually will buy, and I think sometimes that's why people who own businesses and people who have to make the trains run on time have a different philosophical and political point of view Right.
00:46:38.000But the real problem is when people come out of these universities and they have these sort of hard-line ideas of how the world needs to change.
00:47:38.000You also have to realize that historically, that thing I sent you, people ask me what I read and stuff.
00:47:43.000If you go to audible.com and go to the great courses, I listen to these courses.
00:47:48.000I just listen to 48 lectures by a guy named Robert Buchholz, who's this fucking amazing professor on the foundations of Western civilization.
00:47:55.000One of the things he says in it is he said...
00:47:58.000Europeans, the history of Europe, culminating with World War I and World War II, as bloody and as violent, it's beyond what we can imagine.
00:48:06.000How many millions were killed in World War II? It's beyond what we can imagine.
00:48:14.000And it's a huge accomplishment, and really the first time in history for anybody.
00:48:18.000They figured out how to solve their differences without killing each other.
00:48:22.000And that happened after World War II. And it took that long.
00:48:26.000They actually figured out a way to solve their differences by disagreeing, by fighting about it, by fighting dirty, but by winning elections and stuff.
00:48:58.000Because Russia is, you know, that's Asia.
00:49:00.000Yeah, and Russia would just rely on old General Winter.
00:49:04.000But the European aspect of it, the European part of World War I and II, what I was thinking is it's almost like having a war inside America, right?
00:52:40.000World War is really interesting because there are some parallels now.
00:52:43.000World War I, if you look at World War I, it was a time when, first of all, Europe hadn't been to war for 100 years.
00:52:53.000So when people went into war in World War I... They went in, every young man volunteered and even women volunteered to be nurses and to cook.
00:53:04.000They were singing songs and they were going to be gone for two weeks and it was going to be really exciting and it was romantic.
00:53:11.000And no one, including the soldiers, really understood the technology.
00:53:17.000Like machine guns and that kind of technology and mustard gas.
00:53:23.000They were still fighting the way they had been fighting for millennia, which was on horseback, feathers in their helmets, and charging with great bravery.
00:53:34.000And so what happened was they would charge and the other side would open up with machine guns and artillery and then ultimately poison gas.
00:53:44.000And so the numbers are too staggering to even imagine, but for 800 yards to try to capture that much land or whatever...
00:53:55.000They would lose, they lost something like 300,000 men in a day.
00:54:27.000And if you didn't, you'd be tried for cowardice.
00:54:31.000Sometimes you'd be shot by your commanding officer in the back of your head.
00:54:34.000Because remember, a lot of these armies were conscripted.
00:54:37.000They were brought in against their will.
00:54:39.000This was the time of imperialism when the country that was bigger and stronger, the Austro-Hungarian Empire, Austria itself, would come in and say, you belong to us now.
00:54:48.000There were these secret alliances that would happen.
00:55:13.000And in those trenches, the body parts and everything, and then people would have to go to the bathroom there, and then the rain would come.
00:58:25.000But World War II, the crazy thing about right before World War II, everything, like today, so you never notice how today, we can't agree on really even source material.
00:58:37.000If you have an argument with something, you go, where'd you get your information?
00:58:58.000Back in the day, the Bible was your fixed point of truth, maybe Aristotle, but at the turn of the century, like right before World War I, you had Darwin come along, you had Freud who said something to the effect of,
00:59:15.000hey, we're animals and we will kill and use each other as sexual tools if we don't have a strong society.
00:59:24.000There were all these There were all these sort of new Nietzsche, Marx, who said God is dead.
00:59:31.000Nietzsche said God is dead, but Marx basically said religion is the opium of the masses.
00:59:36.000Human beings are the masters of their own fate.
00:59:39.000And all of these guys who basically took God out of the equation And all of them were basically saying that we are animals, and God is no longer here.
00:59:49.000We're animals, and if you don't create a society to control our animalistic impulses, we're going to fucking slaughter and rape each other.
00:59:56.000And World War I proved all of those guys right, basically.
01:00:00.000But it was a time when everything was up in the air.
01:00:05.000Einstein comes along and says, time and space, not so fast.
01:03:09.000Yeah, he'll smoke one clove cigarette a month.
01:03:12.000According to this book, time works different, like, up higher than it does lower.
01:03:16.000For instance, if you had two synchronized clocks, even on the top of this table in the ground, they would not be synced up over a certain amount of time.
01:04:50.000A lot of people get fucked up and killed.
01:04:52.000But one of the things that I was thinking, and a lot of it happens in Rome, a lot of it happens in Europe, a lot of crazy shit with the Vikings.
01:04:57.000But while I was watching it, I was thinking, those people had kids, and their people had kids, and their people had kids, and their kids have iPhones.
01:05:06.000Like, it's not that long ago, and those people that live in that part of the world, those people that live in Ireland, and those people that live in Great Britain, and a lot of that area, like, a lot of the folks who lived there are the ancestors of these people that lived this insane history.
01:05:23.000Insane history of warfare with swords and shields and shit.
01:06:09.000Well, you know, sometimes these dudes, they'll hurt something, and, you know, they're out for, like, Cub Swanson just tore his ACL. I know.
01:06:16.000And, yeah, he's going to be out for almost a year.
01:07:07.000Make sure that I was, get in the mat, let's go ahead and get your fucking face against, let me go, well I gotta clean the mat, a little dirty, so let me just, you know.
01:07:15.000Well, he's a competitor professionally.
01:07:17.000He doesn't have no time to be fake rolling with people.
01:08:30.000Game Changers with Chris Kresser and Wilkes.
01:08:33.000It's a little bit like listening to a Protestant and a Catholic argue over the minutia of how to worship God, like they both believe in God, or like a Sunni and a Shia.
01:08:45.000It was very interesting in that sense, like how human beings get steeped in...
01:08:50.000Too much information, and then we'll start parsing out stuff that's not that helpful to the listener?
01:08:57.000The conversation about health is very long.
01:08:58.000And unfortunately, when Chris was talking about the game changers, he got several things wrong.
01:09:05.000Particularly, the big ones were the amount of protein that you can get in peanut butter, the amount of protein that's in bread, and whether or not that is equal to three ounces of ground meat.
01:09:19.000And that made Chris, his argument, not look very good.
01:09:22.000And then there was the other problem where Chris Kresser sort of personally defined what he defines as low-carb versus medium-carb versus high-carb and wasn't making a distinction that this is not the consensus amongst nutritionists.
01:09:39.000What they consider low-carb, medium-carb, or high-carb.
01:09:42.000James accused him of that, Chris denied it, and then James pulled out all of these different articles that show that he has a different version of what he calls low-carb, medium-carb, or high-carb.
01:09:51.000The problem with all this is he's just making Chris look bad, and he's not necessarily proving that a vegetarian or vegan diet's better for you.
01:09:59.000But he is, rightly, pointing out that he was wrongly criticized.
01:11:33.000Well, if someone is going to be conscientious and think about, even if they're incorrect and they just assume that the science says that eating meat is bad for you, you start eating more fish or more chicken or more vegetables.
01:11:46.000I bet, just statistically, those people have less drinking.
01:11:49.000I bet, statistically, they have less cigarette smoking.
01:11:51.000They're probably healthier on the whole because they're making choices that, even if it's incorrect, they think are good for you, like not eating meat or as much meat.
01:12:00.000But as a non-nutritionist who has no shit, when I watched Game Changers, I have to say that it did seem like the narrative, the story of the movie, was that being a vegan is better for you for all these reasons,
01:12:19.000all these scientific reasons, than eating any meat.
01:12:26.000Even though James would probably disagree with that, for me, just as a viewer, the argument was being made that being a vegan, from just what I got, regardless of what it was meant, I got that being a vegan is better for you.
01:14:41.000There's not really a whole lot of engineering in terms of slowing down the rate of childbirth or trying to prevent people from having too many kids, trying to prevent overpopulation.
01:14:52.000A lot of cultures, I mean, a lot of countries and societies are at zero population growth.
01:14:57.000Yes, but the thing is, there's plenty of people that live below the poverty line, in terms of what our perception of the poverty line is.
01:15:05.000And what you're seeing in a lot of these more industrialized nations is as people start developing careers, and men and women get careers, you have less childbirth.
01:15:25.000They worry about that with some countries, and I've even heard that about the United States, that one day it's going to even out, and then everyone will have careers, and then we'll have less children, and then it's a statistical thing.
01:16:57.000If you think about all of human history, this is the way that empires were run, but they weren't run with technology, and they weren't run while the people had access to technology.
01:17:06.000So the fact they're clamping down on web searches and what sites you can visit and You know, there's a lot of companies that felt like they had to do business with them, too.
01:17:15.000Like, I was talking to this lady who worked at Google, and she was saying, look, they're going to copy Google, or we work with them.
01:17:22.000So, like, this idea of, like, you shouldn't work with them because they're going to censor the people.
01:17:27.000Like, listen, they're censoring no matter what.
01:17:29.000But if we don't go over there, they're just going to copy our shit.
01:17:50.000The head of Huawei has been accused of some crazy backdoor shit they put into routers and they're really worried about their technology getting into this country.
01:18:00.000The United States has stopped the production of their cell phones in the United States.
01:18:05.000You have to buy them from somewhere else and bring them in.
01:18:08.000What's it called when it's not connected to someone?
01:18:13.000You buy a cell phone and it's not connected to somebody.
01:18:40.000They're number two and Apple's number three.
01:18:42.000So they've passed Apple in cell phone production.
01:18:45.000China's always had – I think they were humiliated in their past by the British, by a lot of different – by the Japanese who behaved atrociously.
01:18:57.000But you know what the opium wars were?
01:18:59.000Where the British were – traders were bringing in opium.
01:19:12.000You can't sell your opium on our docks.
01:19:15.000You're unloading huge boxes of fucking opium from India, and I know you're making a lot of money, but no, because we have a major addiction problem.
01:19:25.000And Britain said, you're interfering with free trade and we should be allowed to.
01:19:29.000And China said, you're not allowed to.
01:19:31.000And so they went to war and Britain won that war and forced China to continue buying opium.
01:21:00.000If they came out, okay, and they got onto the Verizon network or the AT&T network with some of these phones, these phones, when you look at the tech people, the people like Unbox Therapy and MKBHD,
01:21:35.000The new iPhone is pretty fucking good.
01:21:38.000But when the latest Huawei Mate Pro, whatever the fuck it was, one of them, their most high-end phone, there's a video of them doing a zoom.
01:21:49.000And you can't believe how much bigger they can make something that's in the distance and make it look really clear.
01:30:56.000You know, you got Pink Floyd, you got the Beatles, you got the Stones, you got the Who.
01:30:59.000But rock and roll, in terms of a group that we still listen to and everything stops, I think it's Zeppelin.
01:31:06.000Well, they're certainly one of the all-time greats.
01:31:09.000But it's almost like every different style of music has its appropriate moment where it hits you perfectly.
01:31:17.000Yeah, you know like there's a there's a moment where like you want to hear voodoo child and it comes on you're like ah But then there's a moment where like sitting on the dock of the bay is the perfect song to hear They're very different.
01:31:28.000I like thank you by that one sometimes I was at a shitty bowling alley and kickstart my heart came on I couldn't have been more happy It depends on your mood.
01:32:05.000And you never know what you need to hear sometimes until you hear it.
01:32:09.000Sometimes a song will come on the radio at the perfect time, like you're listening to Spotify or something like that, and a song comes on just when you needed to hear it.
01:32:18.000There's Kickstart My Heart with Sam Kinison.
01:32:23.000That's the downhill moments for Sam Kinison, hanging out with these motherfuckers, doing coke until fucking 7 o'clock in the morning, and then trying to do a show at the Comedy Store and being half out of it.
01:33:28.000Anyway, in the book he talks about how Sam was hit by a car and was really bad when he was a little kid and then after that his personality changed.
01:33:36.000Very impulsive, very wild, couldn't control him.
01:33:40.000It's the same as Roseanne Barr, the exact same story.
01:33:43.000She had the same She was 15. This is one of the main reasons why I wanted to have her on my podcast after her controversy and have her air this out to people.
01:34:55.000And that's one of the reasons why I wanted to have her on, to tell everybody, hey, you're dealing with someone who's on a host of different medications.
01:36:08.000It certainly is you, and you certainly are responsible for your choices.
01:36:13.000You are the victim of your circumstances.
01:36:16.000You are the product or the benefactor of all these years of things happening, all these different events, all the people you know, which is one of the big ones.
01:36:25.000This is what I concentrate on, I think, more than anything in my life.
01:36:28.000The quality of the people around you dictates the quality of your life.
01:36:32.000And this is an equation that people, for whatever reason, don't put down as significant or primary.
01:36:41.000But the quality of the people that you have in your life is everything.
01:36:44.000You could be camping, like you and I were in Montana, nine degrees out with a bunch of great guys.
01:37:25.000I mean, this is everything in this life is community.
01:37:29.000And one of the things that's most lost when we're dealing with urbanization and large groups of people One of the things that's most lost is our sense of community.
01:37:38.000The more people we have, the less value those people have, the more of a nuisance they become.
01:37:43.000They're just some fucks ahead of you on the highway.
01:37:45.000They're not human beings with lives and hopes and wishes.
01:42:45.000Me, Dahlia, David Bland, and Frank Grillo are following them around his house like little puppies as he's pointing to his insane paintings.
01:52:38.000I usually was doing a couple minutes a day, but I was breaking it up into like 30 second chunks, or maybe I'd go a minute, and then I decided about two months ago to see how long I could hold on for.
01:52:47.000It's good for your shoulders, they say.
01:52:49.000What helps me is if I hold on for like 15-20 seconds and I rest for a long time, and then I go back and do it, I could do it a lot longer.
01:54:08.000Well, this is the second time, and I was sore.
01:54:11.000It really, for me, is the best thing that translates into jiu-jitsu.
01:54:15.000There's something about like, if you have like a 50 or 70 pound kettlebell, and you're clean and pressing it and do windmills and all that, that to me is like, that really works for jiu-jitsu.
01:54:26.000That's not a good, you gotta see him now.
01:55:27.000I was there with a bunch of- If I guessed, I would think this kept going.
01:55:30.000You'd have a look on your face of shock, and then his wrist would be cinched tighter in your waist, and then next thing you see one of your legs is up in the air.
01:57:27.000There's a lot of other stuff that people are taking note that actually, it supposedly maybe increases your lifespan but decreases performance.
01:57:36.000Yeah, that is, there's a lot of controversy with that.
01:57:39.000Like, as soon as we did that podcast, people that I know that are more into the performance side of athletics and nutrition and well-being, they were like, eh, eh, eh.
02:02:35.000And this owl just decided to start fucking up these hawks.
02:02:38.000There is one of the best videos that I've ever seen online of animal interactions where an owl swoops down and snatches a hawk out of its nest.
02:03:00.000One of them, I was driving down the street to my house and I was driving and this owl was like flying over the street holding a rabbit and just decided I was getting too close to him so he just let the rabbit go and splat.
02:03:11.000So I got out of the car to look at the rabbit, just disemboweled rabbit.
02:05:00.000There was a tour I did with Charlie Murphy and John Heffron, and we had a different local guy open up in every place, and Segura opened up there.
02:06:26.000You reminded me of what misfits we are because I wanted to do this idea where I was going to do this thing for Onnit where we're going to come up with funny ways to sell product.
02:06:36.000I thought it would be a good way to recruit some comics and get them a job.
02:06:41.000Sit around a table and create a marketing thing.
02:07:23.000I was in Jeffrey Tamworth's class and doing an acting thing and Jeffrey Tamworth looked at me and goes, You got a little self-esteem problem, huh?
02:07:29.000I feel like your second banana in general in life.
02:09:17.000He just went out there fucking guns blazing like an animal.
02:09:20.000But then once he got out, he's partying with Bon Jovi and Motley Crue, and they're doing Blow, and fucking on the tour bus, and, you know, drinking vodka until 5 in the morning.
02:10:56.000Like I'm watching art or something like that.
02:10:59.000I'm watching someone's work and I can appreciate it.
02:11:01.000But I don't appreciate it from the feeling that you get when you see it the first time and you laugh and you're surprised and the punchlines come out and you're like, I was surprised that Bill Cosby had only done one album.
02:13:51.000In the comments, or where the real show is, the comments is all knife emojis, and you really killed that one, OJ. And it's like everyone takes their own crack at him in the comments.
02:15:11.000What's funny is that he's allowed to be on Twitter, whereas think about some of the people that have been banned for Twitter for saying things like, a woman is never a man, or a man is never a woman.
02:15:54.000And Jack is a very internet-minded guy.
02:15:57.000Here's the thing you have to understand when you're talking about being the CEO of something that is literally responsible for billions of pieces of information every single day.
02:16:40.000But I'm 100% convinced that with the implementation of AR, augmented reality, whether it's through Apple or someone's going to have glasses, I think anything we're doing now is literally like the MySpace of the future in terms of technological interaction.
02:16:56.000I think the stuff we're doing right now is all like MySpace.
02:17:36.000You know how you go on a link and there's a bunch of restaurants and you can put the cursor over it and a little Yelp box pops up and it says it has four stars and 400 reviews and that pops up?
02:18:23.000Everybody's watching everything you do.
02:18:25.000Now, well, this is the new world, and we have to adjust to this new world, because in the future, there will be no barriers between people and information.
02:18:34.000Those barriers are dissolving in front of our eyes, and people are scrambling to try to accept it, or not accept it, or fight against it, or keep up.
02:20:20.000The ears are here where my balls are, but the dragon, the tip of the nose is red.
02:20:24.000You want something that says, like, that joke where it's like, when it's soft, it says tiny, and when it's hard, it says Ticonderoga in New York.
02:25:21.000There's a Vice article about everything you wanted to know about penis tattoos, and it talks about a guy's 14 stripes to make it look like a snake.
02:30:51.000Well, almost everyone that's fucked up in this life is fucked up because of something that someone did to them, whether it's a relative or abuse that they suffered or, you know...
02:31:06.000Things throughout their life that have gone horribly wrong, especially for children.
02:31:12.000I mean, that's the most formative time of your life, right?
02:31:15.000When you meet people that were abused as children, everyone universally feels for them.
02:35:27.000There's never been a regime, a government, that didn't use that as an excuse.
02:35:32.000So the Nazis, Hitler, when he became chancellor, took away all civil liberties because in the name of protecting the fatherland from essentially terrorism because a communist lit the Reichstag on fire.
02:35:51.000Well, what's interesting is how long is it going to take before some version of this makes it over here?
02:37:27.000See, the thing is, this kind of tool has never existed.
02:37:29.000Like, you could study history all day long, but it's only going to prepare you sort of peripherally.
02:37:35.000It's not really going to prepare you for what technology can do today.
02:37:39.000There's nothing in history that can really tell you where this goes.
02:37:42.000I agree with you, but politicians use the same exact language they've been using forever, which is we have to protect the public from these insurgents, this danger.
02:37:58.000What this is doing, it's making it almost impossible to be a traditional...
02:38:04.000To have a traditional government, right?
02:38:06.000Because if this stuff starts making it into their, then we can find out what they're doing all the time.
02:38:11.000So what if it turns out, well, we'll let you mass surveillance on that, but we want 24-7 access to anyone who is any sort of representative.
02:38:21.000Anyone who's a congressman, anyone who's a senator, anyone who's a president.
02:38:24.000We want 24-7 access to everything you say and do.
02:38:49.000But imagine if this is what the world becomes.
02:38:52.000Everyone has access to everyone's life.
02:38:53.000See, the way I believe it is if you want to learn about somebody as a government agency, you got major firewalls and you need warrants and make it fucking difficult.
02:39:03.000Right, but the reason why a country like the United States goes to war with a country like Afghanistan or ISIS is because you have leaders and groups.
02:39:15.000Once there's no leaders and once there's no groups and everybody can see everything that everybody's doing, then you have no more need for government.
02:40:25.000So no trillionaire oil barons, no dependence on fossil fuels, because yeah, fossil fuels are great, but if no one in particular is profiting entirely off fossil fuels, because the money has to be distributed evenly to everyone.
02:42:11.000Remember that time we got really, really, really, really, really high, and we went to see one of your professors, one of your acting professors sing musicals?
02:44:39.000You certainly get very good at these kids who have the guns.
02:44:41.000But it also, for some people that don't have any tendency towards violence, like you or me or Jamie or anybody else that we know that's fine and healthy, they're not going to make you more likely to go shoot people.
02:46:23.000Things are designed, that's what art is in a lot of ways.
02:46:26.000You go to an art gallery and you stare at someone's work, it's like some human creation that captivates your attention and gets you locked in.
02:46:33.000And when you see a really beautiful piece, like we were in Italy and we were in Florence and we went to this ancient church and they had these beautiful works of art on the wall.
02:46:44.000You know, just fascinating, fascinating stuff.
02:46:46.000And you try to picture, like, the people that painted this a thousand years ago and what life was like.
02:46:51.000And you're looking at the intricacies of these dresses.
02:46:54.000Like, that's an engaging human creation that captivates your attention.
02:46:57.000We just, we have merit in that kind of engaging, captivated piece of art.
02:47:14.000We inherently know that you're going to waste giant chunks of your life.
02:47:18.000Unless you're someone who, like, got a trust fund, you never have to work again, you got fucking $10 million in the bank, and you can just chill forever, and you want to play video games all day, I'm like, alright, look, if you, I mean, I don't know what to tell you.
02:47:30.000Yeah, but what is it, something like Picasso's Warenka, or, you know, that painting of when Spain was bombed by the Luftwaffe before World War II, and Bring that up, because it's kind of a haunting painting, but why is that still something that's considered a masterpiece?
02:47:46.000And then, like you said, there's incredible imagery in what we can do with an iPad.
02:47:52.000Well, it's all the same thing in some way.
02:48:11.000Whereas, like, if you're just reading novels all day, like, if you're that person that just, I fucked the world, I'm gonna go in my house, I'm gonna shut the door, I'm gonna light a candle, I'm gonna sit there, and I'm gonna read novels all day.
02:48:22.000I have $10 million in the bank that I got for my trust fund.
02:48:37.000But that is somehow more intriguing because what you're doing is developing and expanding your understanding.
02:48:45.000And I think when you do that, what that means is you're someone who is worth speaking to.
02:48:50.000You might have some secrets and some understanding that I can use.
02:48:54.000So when you talk to somebody who's really gone down that rabbit hole, like Joseph Campbell, who read all the philosophers and everybody who influenced them, you want to hear what he has to say because he's organized his brain and his thoughts in a way that might shed some light on the things that are confusing to you.
02:49:11.000That are, you know, that are depressing or that are scaring you or whatever.
02:49:16.000And you do need leaders like that, leaders of thought that can put things into perspective, you know, that can kind of tell you why there's a difference between, say, Picasso and this other shitty artist.
02:49:32.000But you also need people that know how to play the fuck out of a video game.
02:49:36.000The thing is those people don't get any credit.
02:49:38.000When you see these kids today that are winning these video game tournaments and winning a million dollars and their parents have told them to not play games.
02:49:44.000Meanwhile, the dad works at fucking IHOP. Like, hey, asshole.
02:49:47.000These guys are making real money playing this stupid game that you told them to never play.
02:50:20.000I do think that when you're really good at a video game, there is an addictive quality to it.
02:50:28.000Yes, you're really good at doing this thing, right?
02:50:30.000But at the end of the day, it's a game.
02:50:32.000And that game is somewhat masturbatory.
02:50:36.000That game, I don't know that when you really get good at Fortnite or Doom, I don't know if that game in any way expands your understanding or your ability to contribute to the larger conversation.
02:52:21.000So when you watch pool, you're doing it for stakes, you're doing it for money, but you're also watching these people who have mastered this insane geometry.
02:52:29.000Well, we respect some versions of that.
02:53:01.000But the thing is that the video games...
02:53:03.000It seems like it's happening in a digital realm.
02:53:06.000And because of that, it's not taken as seriously.
02:53:09.000Even if you found out they made more money.
02:53:10.000Like, when you find out someone's a successful video game player, there's a certain part of you that's like, oh, why are you wasting your time with that?
02:53:15.000Even if you go, he makes five million dollars a year, you're like, oh, well, huh.
02:54:42.000But there is an understanding of the moves, and then when someone's countering, and the understanding of the counter, and then the counter to the counter...
02:55:28.000Boxing is like understanding the patterns of someone throwing a left or a right, moving their head side to side, moving forward, moving back, moving side to side.