This week, the boys talk about the weirdest things they've ever seen in nature, including the biggest flower in the world, the tarantula hawk, and the giant flower that smells like a butthole. They also talk about a bunch of other weird things that have never been heard of before. This episode is brought to you by Gimlet Media and produced by Riley Braydon Brown and Alex Blumberg. Please don't forget to rate, comment, and subscribe to our other shows MIC/LINE, The Anthropology, and The Creepy Pasta Shop. Logo by Courtney DeKorte. Theme by Mavus White. Music by PSOVOD and tyops. We'd like to learn a little more about you, the listeners. Please take a few minutes to fill out this brief survey. Have a question, suggestion or topic request? hl=en We'd love to hear from you! Thank you so much for listening and supporting the podcast! Timestamps: 1:00 - What's weirdest thing you've ever heard of? 2:30 - The world's biggest flower? 3:15 - What s weirdest plant? 4:20 - The biggest flower you ve ever seen? 5:40 - What smells like an ass? 6:00 7:00 | What's strange about flowers that smell like an buttholes? 8: What s strange? 9:15 | What sizzling? 10:30 | Why do they smell like poop? 11:40 | What is weird? 13:30 15:40 16: What is an asshole? 17:15 18:20 19: How do you smell like a buttole? 21:20 | What does an assole smell like shit like an asshole? 20:00 // 22:30 // 21:30 Is it unusual? 22:00 +23: What are you going to do with it? 27:00 / 22: What do you think of an ass hole? 26:40 // 27: What does it smell like? 25:30 + 27:30 & 27:40 +28:35: Is it amazing? 35:00 & 35:35 36:10 32:40 / 35:30 / 36:35 +35:40 And so on?
00:00:19.000They're very hard to get you to sting them.
00:00:21.000There's a guy who online goes through and gets them all stung.
00:00:24.000But the reason they're so dangerous or so venomous, what they do is they sting the tarantula, lay their eggs inside the tarantula, and then tarantula is eaten alive by the offspring for weeks.
00:00:36.000And then when this was discovered, this kind of stuff in the Middle Ages, they were like, this is a big theological dilemma because why would God make this happen?
00:01:48.000So that's what it looks like sitting on the ground, and then it pops open.
00:01:51.000That's some fucking avatar shit right there.
00:01:54.000So I have something from the island of Socotra, which is an archipelago near the coast of Yemen, called Duvalyandra, D-U-V-A-L-I-N-D-R-A. A, and their flowers look and smell like meat.
00:04:32.000Because they know somehow or another that this thing's going to blow up on all their family.
00:04:36.000They had found footage of this and literally like the mushroom grows out of the ant's head and then it pops out.
00:04:42.000There's a lot of things that they're learning now about nature controlling the minds of other beings, which is really a recent kind of discovery.
00:05:37.000Yeah, because it's so much easier to be a parasite.
00:05:39.000You latch on, you're getting nutrition, you don't got to do anything, you don't have to hunt, you don't have to graze, and you're just set.
00:05:46.000Well, that's also just obviously parasitic.
00:05:48.000If you want to think about it, most organisms are semi-parasitic in that we need other organisms in order to survive.
00:05:55.000You know, like if you're a farmer, I don't want to say you're a parasite, if you're a beef farmer.
00:06:07.000And the other thing is, if every species has several parasites, think how many we have, lice and mites, it makes sense that the majority are going to be parasitable.
00:06:15.000Even at the micro level, you get down to our gut.
00:07:57.000And it's in a gelatinous form, and it communicates to you with vibrations!
00:08:01.000This is why my autism wouldn't let me watch Star Trek as a kid, because I knew about all this stuff, and then I'm watching Star Trek, and they're going to another planet, and it's like a guy with a blue face, and I'm just like, this makes...
00:11:31.000My biggest ever tweet, I said, there's no one more privileged than the girl who refuses to go to school until everyone on earth changes the weather for her.
00:11:39.000And then people are like, blah, blah, blah.
00:12:58.000But his statistic was, I believe, on the number of people, I'm pretty sure it was Tim Pool, I might be wrong now, I'm second guessing myself, the number of people that actually intentionally set those fires.
00:16:44.000I don't understand why they wouldn't want to meet for pleasure, because then you're getting laid more.
00:16:47.000I guess you don't want to get laid too much, and then you can't carry the kids.
00:16:50.000Right, and there's not enough resources.
00:16:51.000I mean, I think that when you think about things like deer, I mean, there's a reason why they only fuck once a year, and there's so goddamn many of them.
00:18:33.000Apparently it's all because of, well, there's a reality to it, but also because there was a serial killer that lived in British Columbia, that guy.
00:24:50.000Not just a different person, but you can't even pretend that it's the same person.
00:24:55.000In most movies where you have someone who plays a young version of the guy, it looks like the guy.
00:25:00.000It's not like you have a young Chinese guy who becomes Clint Eastwood.
00:25:04.000You're like, hey, what are we doing here?
00:25:07.000If you have a young Clint Eastwood, he's supposed to look like he could be a young Clint Eastwood.
00:25:14.000I talked about this in my last book, The New Right.
00:25:16.000They were even complaining there was a video game that takes place in the Middle Ages, very popularly, maybe you guys know the name, I'm blanking on it, and they were complaining that there weren't enough black people there.
00:25:24.000Because everyone on Twitter and Facebook still thinks they're in the 60s, and this is their personal march on Selma, and they're fighting against segregation.
00:25:30.000I'm like, this isn't segregation, this is history.
00:29:44.000I'm just going to wear fishnets and high heels and I'm going to stick my ass out and I'm going to dance and pout around with a lot of makeup on.
00:31:15.000And until Betty Ford, the first lady, came out as an alcoholic, now people, like if someone says, oh, my mom's an alcoholic, you're like, oh, that sucks, but you don't think anything of them, right?
00:31:23.000If daddy had a temper, no, daddy was abusive, right?
00:31:27.000But we know what to do with that information.
00:31:29.000And when I started talking about this on Twitter and elsewhere, that this is really common.
00:31:34.000And because all of us do not think of kids in this way, we don't want to think about it.
00:32:41.000And we don't have the space to discuss it.
00:32:45.000So I've just been kind of talking about this a lot more and encouraging people to talk about this a lot more because there are really, really a lot of people who are suffering because of this.
00:32:57.000Here's the big question, something like that.
00:32:59.000What do you do to help the person who's been molested and what do you do to the person who molests someone?
00:33:04.000Well, the person who did it, I can't even begin, I don't know.
00:33:08.000But I think what happens is just like with gay rights, right?
00:33:11.000The more people who come out and talk about it, the more easy it is for someone to call someone else and be like, this happened to me, you know what I'm going through, let's have this conversation.
00:33:20.000Have you seen this very strange trend that's rare, but common enough and actually predicted, where people are talking about people that are pedophiles, that it's some sort of a sexual inclination that we should have Yeah.
00:33:53.000Well, I better figure out how to deal with this.
00:35:26.000Well, we have to hope and assume that it ended with that, that he didn't continue doing it as he got older and older with the same age child.
00:35:34.000Yeah, and what's even worse, what happens when it's within the family?
00:36:08.000The thing is, like, even saying that, there's too many of us, we should kill pedophiles.
00:36:13.000Like, that's, if you put that up, like, in a real intimate situation, you're talking just a bunch of people that really cared about each other and were good friends, like, I think we should kill pedophiles.
00:36:43.000Eventually, the case all fell apart, but not before these people's reputations were ruined, everything was ruined, their business was shattered, all because these kids had made stuff up.
00:36:52.000And then other people had coached them into making more stuff up, and then everything got crazier and crazier.
00:37:00.000I mean, they made a documentary about it because it shows almost like there's a mass hysteria that can go on, especially when you're talking about something that's particularly heinous, right?
00:37:08.000Like the abduction or the rape of children, rather, because we're all so scared of that being real that we'll pay attention as much as possible.
00:38:31.000Do you, are you like, it's hard for me and I have a much smaller audience than you to be aware of the reach of the show because I'll get letters from people being like, oh, I'm going through chemo and I read your Twitter to make my day and I'm like, I can't take pride in that because I'm in my underwear being an asshole on Twitter and that's independent of you kind of,
00:39:03.000But if I thought about that only, it would never be the same thing.
00:39:07.000And the reason why I think the show works is comfort.
00:39:12.000Like a comfort level in talking to people and having fun and enjoying it.
00:39:17.000And I think the moment you start thinking about your reach and the amount of impact that it has and how many people are actually listening at the same time, you'll start freaking out and you'll never be as comfortable.
00:39:51.000That is one of the things that people like.
00:39:53.000They like the fact that friends joke around and they're comfortable with each other and we can just change subjects and talk about anything.
00:44:56.000That's what apparently when you would have the Catholic priest going down the aisle, waving, that would either be sage, which is, I think, a derivative of salvia divinorum.
00:45:08.000I think, not a derivative, a cousin, maybe a close relative.
00:45:11.000I think sage and salvia divinorum are extremely close.
00:45:23.000I think it's one of those things where they think that maybe people were burning that, but they were probably also most definitely burning cannabis.
00:45:34.000And so they were wafting through the aisles with cannabis smoke, getting everybody secondhand high.
00:46:02.000Over time, though, the term sage has been closely aligned with cooking or medicinal use, and the term salvia has been given to more ornamental members of the genus.
00:46:11.000Nevertheless, salvia is the Latin name or genus given to all these plants.
00:49:03.000They were smoking it, tripping balls, and they met God, and he came back with, this is the only way we're going to get along, we've got to stop raping each other.
00:49:10.000And the other thing is a lot of these old mystery religions, right?
00:49:14.000And if you're going to join this cult or whatever, for lack of a better term, and they give you, here, take this, you are going to experience something, not only that no one ever, that you've ever heard of, but like, you don't even know how to handle it.
00:49:26.000And it will change your life permanently, but there's no vocabulary for it there.
00:49:29.000It's not like now where you know what acid is.
00:49:31.000You're like, holy shit, this is religious.
00:49:43.000He worked on the panel for 14 years and he wrote a seriously controversial book.
00:49:48.000He was an ordained minister, but he was the only one on the Dead Sea Scroll translation group that they put together that was agnostic.
00:49:56.000Because he started studying – he was an ordained minister, but then he started studying theology, and he was like, this is all fucking crazy.
00:50:03.000So he became agnostic, and he wanted to look at the etymology of the words.
00:50:08.000And so it was his conclusion, after 14 years, that the entire Christian religion was a gigantic misunderstanding, and what it really was about was Psychedelic mushroom experiences and fertility rituals.
00:51:05.000This is what Marco Allegro's, his research was pointing to.
00:51:09.000He was trying to say that what was really going on was these people were trying to hide a lot of what the psychedelic rituals are from the Romans and from the people that captured them.
00:51:19.000So they hid them in stories and parables and then there was all sorts of problems in the translations.
00:51:23.000It's just like, you know, you're taking things from ancient Hebrew and you're breaking it down to Latin and you're breaking it down to German and English.
00:51:30.000I can't believe he got a positive reception for this.
00:52:30.000And there's also a lot of iconography, a lot of...
00:52:34.000You see shapes that resemble mushrooms all over the place and some of the ancient artwork and even people that are dancing naked under the influence of a mushroom.
00:52:45.000So there's a translucent mushroom shape that surrounds them and these ancient paintings and these religious paintings, these people are dancing.
00:52:52.000So most likely they were tripping balls.
00:52:54.000Well, if you didn't know any better, of course you would think that's God talking to you.
00:52:58.000If you didn't know what psilocybin is, you didn't know what dimethyltryptamine is, you didn't know what any of these things are.
00:53:02.000Well, you're also going to hear literal voices.
00:53:04.000So it's not even that you're like, it's not a metaphor.
00:53:06.000You're going to hear a voice talking to you.
00:53:08.000Right, so people that think that these people who created religion were all liars, they're probably more likely trippers.
00:53:15.000Because if you look at all these religious stories, they're all crazy and weird and fantastical and wonderful, but most of them are like guides to live life in a more virtuous or pious or moral way,
00:54:53.000He had a dope house that was for sale in Topanga.
00:54:56.000And unfortunately, I wasn't on the market for a house, but I would love to buy that guy's house.
00:55:00.000That show had, I think, the funniest line of all time, which is, Victoria Principal, who's like the good guy, Pam, come into his office, she's the good guy, right?
00:55:08.000And she's yelling at JR, and he would look at her with a straight face, like he would never wink.
00:59:13.000The Disney World Avatar ride, you climb onto this thing that looks like a motorcycle, and then they put goggles on you, put this helmet in, strap you in place, literally lock your legs in place, and all of a sudden you're on a dragon.
00:59:44.000Oh, I haven't gotten a good ride in a long time.
00:59:46.000It made me really think, and the first time I did it was, I think, two years ago, but it made me really think, like, this is going to get real weird.
00:59:53.000Because if they can do this now, 10 years from now, what the fuck is it going to be like?
00:59:58.000I was at the Gas Digital Studios, and Ralph had these 3D glasses, and it's basically, you have to, like, take an elevator, and then you're walking in the street, and, like, there's a part where there's, like, a wooden plank, and they put a wooden plank in real life on the carpet, and I was scared.
01:01:33.000The fact that someone even can do that blows my fucking mind, but the fact that someone can do that 2,000 feet above the ground is just insane.
01:01:43.000So this is a route that you have to go through.
01:01:46.000And as you're going through that route, you've got to continually chalk your hands and shove them into this crack and slowly make your way up.
01:03:10.000Some climbing gym where they're doing all these different exercises and chin-ups and planks and stuff while hanging off of two fingers.
01:03:17.000So they're doing two-finger chin-ups and they're doing two-finger chin-ups where they literally like hold and extend their legs in front of them and then pull themselves up and basically do like a muscle-up with two fingers like hanging on a rock face.
01:03:33.000There's also some little Asian girl who does all this stuff.
01:03:35.000She's like 12 and she's like a spider monkey.
01:10:48.000Because instead of clashing and locking up, like all these antlers do, where they have all these additional points, what they do is they lock in.
01:10:56.000This would slide right through and stab them in the heart, stab them in the neck, stab them in the body.
01:11:01.000So this one elk was killing everybody.
01:11:03.000If they'd go to war with him, he'd just kill them.
01:11:10.000Well, it's not going to be genetic, so he can't pass it on.
01:11:12.000I wonder if eventually, over many, many, many, many generations, that signal will somehow or another get through.
01:11:19.000Obviously, something happens where they develop something like that in the first place.
01:11:24.000If it became better that they branched off in some new way that lets them stab each other a little bit better, those animals would breed better.
01:14:10.000So basically, it's a museum about museums.
01:14:13.000And you go there and you're looking through shit and you're like, I don't know if this is real.
01:14:16.000So they have exhibits about like Antonius Kersher, who is from the...
01:14:21.0001300s who said the world is tied with secret knots and using magnetism to prove God.
01:14:26.000Then they have microscopes where someone used butterfly scales to make images on that kind of level.
01:14:33.000They have exhibits about cat's cradle.
01:14:38.000They have exhibits about—oh yeah, there's the microscopes.
01:14:42.000You're not allowed to use cameras in there.
01:14:44.000So it just keeps unwinding, unwinding, unwinding, and I'm a very Willy Wonka person, and you're in there and you're like, this is absolutely magical.
01:14:51.000Oh yeah, yeah, they've got a room—that's horns from a woman, apparently.
01:19:42.000They can get an appraisal really high and then they can donate it to a company and not pay taxes, but they can donate a $20 million piece of art.
01:19:55.000That are these art collector folks that buy this stupid stuff and they have it all over their fucking house and they want to tell you what it is and where it came from.
01:20:12.000There's people that are into that shit and they love the fact that they have some unusual piece of art on their wall and they love the sophisticated feeling they get by describing what the artist was trying to say.
01:20:24.000See, I have this guy, Sean Chow, C-H-A-O. He makes dioramas.
01:23:13.000She investigated this and reported on it.
01:23:15.000She came on the podcast to explain it to me after I'd heard her on Sam Harris' podcast.
01:23:18.000But – They did stuff like they would have a fake Black Lives Matter page that they started, and then they would argue with people about Black Lives Matter, and then they would organize a Texas separatism meeting.
01:23:34.000They organized a Texas separatism page.
01:23:37.000They had a page, and then they organized a meeting, a Facebook meeting.
01:23:40.000Where these people would be there at the same time as another meeting they set up between these Muslim people.
01:23:46.000So they'd have the Texas separatists on one side of the street and the Muslims on the other side of the street having a protest at the exact same time.
01:23:53.000Like they were doing shit like this on purpose and fucking with people.
01:25:33.000One of my tweets became a meme when your girl Tulsi took out Officer Harris, and I said, if there's one thing a Hawaiian knows, it's how to roast a pig.
01:26:27.000Imagine you're just barely staying above water as a single mom and you've got to literally make your fucking children terrified that you're going to go to jail in order for them to go to jail.
01:26:37.000She was laughing about how that's how she got people to go to jail.
01:26:39.000That's how she got people to go to school.
01:26:41.000And that's the thing is that I don't think she actually cared.
01:26:43.000I think this was her means to further her political career.
01:30:29.000And they wanted, in some way, to be heightened or prepared for it.
01:30:32.000So whether they were drunk, which a lot of tribes would just get drunk and then go into war, or whether they...
01:30:37.000Because they would just be able to endure and be willing to do things that maybe they wouldn't be able to do or be willing to do if they weren't drunk.
01:32:43.000So how do people know that you're into pens?
01:32:45.000Oh, so I do something called spite funding, right?
01:32:48.000So what happens on Twitter is every so often some cretin will come for me and I'll be like, it would be a shame if people send me money to waste on things I don't want just to spite you.
01:32:59.000And I put up michaelmalice.com contribute and I go, I will post receipts.
01:33:02.000And people send me cash and they say, this has to be wasted.
01:33:59.000So, like, for example, what I've been doing is a lot of these people, these candidates, their, like, press secretary will have fewer followers than me, right?
01:34:11.000There was an article in the New York Times today about your candidate.
01:34:15.000How freaked out is the campaign and how much is this a reflection on you not being able to do your job correctly?
01:34:22.000Because you know when that article hits, the New York Times, you're in the campaign, you're in the bunker, you're freaking out, what does this mean?
01:34:27.000And if someone's like, fuck you, they're going to be like, no, fuck you.
01:34:30.000So you do this even if there's not a real story?
01:36:26.000And now they're like, well, if he competed as a man and got a world record, now he wants to be a chick, I don't know what to do about this.
01:39:04.000So maybe it's a sign of the chaos of our age that there's more transgenderism or intersex people.
01:39:09.000Do you think there is or do you think people are just talking about it more?
01:39:12.000I think it's – there's so many pluses and minuses and it's such a weird loaded situation and I don't – the other thing is if you are a guy who has feminine qualities, that doesn't make you non-binary.
01:39:30.000Just like if you're like a tomboy, you're not non-binary.
01:40:46.000What do you think about all this crazy shit that's going on right now with Iran?
01:40:50.000I have a great book idea, and it's such a great book idea, I'm gonna just drop it here in the hopes that if I don't ever do it, someone does it.
01:42:20.000We do exercises with South Korea every year and North Korea freaks out and it's like, okay, it's just flexing your muscles, right?
01:42:28.000I think very strongly, we're never going to be privy to this, that there's a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes that we don't know, that people are talking and like, what's going to happen?
01:42:50.000Well, I think it's amazing that we've gotten to the point where you're blowing up a wedding, right, and you're killing a lot of people, and you're killing just him and one other person.
01:43:38.000It's not really a military strike, but it's definitely a military strike.
01:43:41.000I mean, I think we've been playing fast and loose with rules of war for a long time.
01:43:46.000And I think everyone knows, this is nothing particularly insightful, that war and the rules of war are written by the powerful people.
01:43:53.000I remember when people were talking about how much of a warmonger Obama was because drone strikes went up considerably from George Bush to Obama.
01:44:03.000And I'm like, yeah, you know what else went up?
01:44:27.000The question I have is, do you think, and I'll get my Alex Jones hat on, do you think that they sit you down when you're president and they're like, alright, here's what you can be in charge of, but here's how it's going to be internationally?
01:44:38.000And I wouldn't be surprised if that's the way it happens.
01:44:41.000I think there's no way, until you get into office, you ever really understand what information, what, you know, what...
01:44:52.000What plans that they can reveal that terrorists have?
01:45:01.000There's got to be some kind of intelligence they receive that probably scares the fuck out of them.
01:45:06.000When you stop and think about how many nuclear bombs there are, how many radical terrorists there are, how many different sects, how many people fight over each other.
01:45:13.000Here's some photographs of a crime scene that we found that ISIS behead all these kids.
01:45:19.000This is all real stuff that they could show you.
01:45:22.000And they go, look, we have done our very best to keep everybody safe, but there's only one way to keep doing this.
01:46:35.000You know, if you're a guy who left a bomb, Grand Central Station, they just keep getting you to tell that story over and over again, and then you're exhausted.
01:46:41.000And then they twist it around just a little bit, just a little bit for you, and then you agree with their twist, and they add a little more.
01:46:47.000It was like Stalin's right-hand man, Barius, said, find me the man and I'll find you the crime.
01:46:53.000That's a real scary thing about cross-examining people and just interrogating people.
01:47:01.000I'm not saying that cops do this all the time, that they do get people to believe they did something wrong, but you can get someone to believe they did something wrong, especially if someone's limited intellectually.
01:47:16.000And if they want you, there's an old line that a conservative is a liberal who's been mugged.
01:47:23.000And a liberal is a conservative who's been arrested.
01:47:25.000Because when you get in that government's clutches, you're going to be very glad that there's the ACLU and all these Miranda Rights people who are looking out for the weak and wanted as hard as possible for you to get arrested and go to jail.
01:50:32.000And when you see kids getting beaten and tear gassed, you don't need to speak any language to look at and be like, something's not right here.
01:50:40.000And to side with the people who are getting beaten.
01:50:42.000This is a very Martin Luther King thing.
01:50:43.000Like, even the racists were like, I don't want these people to have dogs attacking them in water hoses.
01:52:11.000And now they're going in a bad direction with North Korea instituting their social credit system to control internal migration, which is really, really bad.
01:52:47.000I mean, it's insane that we drove him into the hands of the Soviet Union.
01:52:51.000And what he was exposing was illegal activity by elected officials.
01:52:57.000Stalin, in his wildest dreams and his KGB, never had that power of surveillance like Ed Snowden revealed, that every single cell phone is being hacked into.
01:53:07.000Aren't they recording literally every call?
01:53:35.000And there was some report, I forget her name, like they were deleting, she was on her computer and you could see the file being deleted right in front of her.
01:54:08.000I'll wake up in the middle of the night and go on Etsy or Wikipedia and you wake up and you're like, oh, yeah, I forgot I was going down that rabbit hole while I was in the middle of the night just looking up random things.
01:54:18.000No, I don't fuck with my computer at night at all.
01:57:16.000And the fact that somehow or another we've gone for looks, for this aesthetic, this sort of modern, industrial, aluminum piece aesthetic over what's more effective is very strange to me.
01:57:30.000My keyboard looks like a typewriter because I'm a hipster.
01:59:36.000Imagine if they found a guy dead because he was so excited to beat off, watching you beat off, that he tripped, fallen down the stairs and broke his neck, pants half down, and the cops break in to find out what the fuck's going on, and it's you jerking off on a webcam, and this guy's dead with his neck snapped at the bottom of the stairs,
02:00:08.000For sure there's people right now looking through, like perverts, looking through somehow or another, getting through a webcam and watching someone.
02:04:01.000So he went to school at Harvard, they put him in the Harvard LST studies, they cooked his fucking dome, and then he disappeared, went to Berkeley, worked as a professor to earn enough money so he could buy a cabin and implement his plan to kill everybody who was involved in technology so he'd stop this takeover of the human race,
02:06:09.000Technology will inevitably lead to better technology, which inevitably leads to artificial intelligence, which is inevitably going to take over the world.
02:06:18.000Well, there's that whole singularity thing, right?
02:06:30.000He's a 2045 guy, and what he says is that the exponential increase of technology, if you follow it to the prediction is somewhere in the neighborhood of 2045, they'll achieve this singularity.
02:06:42.000Yeah, but I think they're also finding now that there actually is somewhat asymptotic, and at a certain point you are having physical limitations to increasing the speed, and it's not going to be that easy.
02:06:50.000Yeah, well then quantum supremacy comes along.
02:06:53.000Do you know they're trying to change the name of quantum supremacy because it confuses people with white supremacy and we really shouldn't support that.
02:06:59.000So we need to change quantum supremacy.
02:07:01.000They also, they had, was it IBM or whatever, had the quantum computer and the other people were like, this isn't really quantum because it's blah blah blah blah blah.
02:07:08.000This was a big controversy just in last month.
02:08:43.000But imagine, like, if he was a normal guy, and they just filled him up with acid, and it made him say, Oh, my God, the technology's gonna take over!
02:09:56.000And we've been trained since kindergarten that if someone says the CIA has experimented on regular people, they will tell you, and admitted it, They will tell you with a straight face that that's a conspiracy theory.
02:10:23.000He was conspiring with a lot of people.
02:10:26.000Weinstein, Bill Cosby, these are all conspiracies that are widely known, but as soon as you hear that term, like racist, oh, conversation's over.
02:10:40.000We were talking in the last podcast about Epstein, and we looked at some of the autopsy photos and looked at some of the The accounts, particularly Dr. Michael Badden, the guy from the HBO autopsy show.
02:11:53.000So they were somehow or another either negotiating with him, or they were placating him, or they were trying to resolve this issue peacefully.
02:12:04.000Like, this guy knew too many people and wasn't talking.
02:12:07.000And while he wasn't talking, they were trying to, like, desperately get to him, I would assume.
02:12:11.000And stop him from potentially talking.
02:12:14.000And then while the prosecutor's closing in, while they're making this airtight case, and the only way for him to make anything more lenient is to start singing, baby.
02:12:57.000But this is a classic conspiracy theory, that there's a guy who works for an intelligence agency who compromises wealthy and famous and even intellectuals, famous people, and then takes these people and brings them to an island where he brings in a bunch of girls that are underage and they all fuck,
02:13:34.000It's not right, but that part of the deal he made the first time was that he had, I think, at least four, if not more, co-conspirators that are not allowed to be, or that's part of the deal, is that they can't be arrested.
02:13:44.000How is he in a position to make deals?
02:15:40.000You can't develop without trials and tribulations and come out normal, especially when you're not just a famous person, but you're a royal person.
02:16:07.000No, it is somewhat related because this is one of those things where things are open secrets in Hollywood and everyone kind of knows that Everyone knew that Kevin Spacey was a dick grabber.
02:16:24.000Because that's like, we always heard of the wild artists that were doing things that were fucked up, but we kind of let them get away with it because they were really talented and there's no real proof.
02:20:17.000Because these people will do whatever they need to to maintain their health and power.
02:20:19.000We think that these people are in control.
02:20:22.000Like, when we're watching this, we think that the guards are in control and the prison's in control and they've got this captive and they're going to bring him to the justice system because the justice system wants to hear his case.
02:26:01.000Once you realize that that term is used to just dismiss entire schools of thought, you realize just how pervasive our training is since we're kids.
02:26:10.000Yeah, well, I mean, there's so many fucking conspiracies that turn out to be true.
02:27:06.000Their job, someone hires them to go and do these talk shows and talk over people and talk really loud and have some very strong points where you show these people that they're being foolish.
02:27:33.000They were doing it on these talk shows.
02:27:34.000They would just have a guy who would claim to be an expert, and this guy would go on these talk shows and just say things that are just patently untrue.
02:27:52.000They didn't know that someone was going to make a documentary like this.
02:27:54.000They didn't know that it would ever be revealed as the same guy that was going on all these other shows 10 years ago, 15 years ago, laughing at these lawsuits.
02:28:03.000Saying, look, frankly, it doesn't cause cancer.
02:29:52.000See, he literally said this might be a conspiracy.
02:29:55.000Like, it was so blatant that Michael Shermer, who has never met a conspiracy that he doesn't want to debunk, he got to that one and he went, oh, this one's real.
02:30:21.000They grabbed ahold of him and they shattered his neck.
02:30:23.000I just think it's so interesting how it's getting harder and harder for them to keep a lid on what stunts they're pulling off behind the scenes.
02:30:32.000Yeah, and that's why we're going to need World War III. Because with World War III, there'll be much less scrutiny because people will be worried about contamination and radiation.
02:30:41.000Everybody that's in power will be in Dick Cheney's bunker down deep into the bottom of the hole that they created somewhere around the Pentagon, I believe.
02:30:50.000Do you think that we're going to go to war over this?
02:30:53.000I'm legitimately worried that one of the things was Trump made a tweet about if they attack us, we will attack them with a disproportionate...
02:31:43.000But if it's after the attack in the embassy and you can prove that guy has a connection to 600 plus American deaths because of IEDs that they shipped over.
02:31:58.000I've heard Dan Crenshaw talk about it and some other people make some explanations as to why they needed to take this guy out and why it was a good thing.
02:34:26.000Or maybe you kill this general, and then they kill some of your guys, and then you kill a bunch of people, and they kill a bunch of your people, and they say, if you do that again, we're going to nuke you.
02:34:35.000And they say, go ahead and do it, bitch.
02:36:01.000Yeah, because if Khrushchev and JFK can work out the Cuban Missile Crisis...
02:36:05.000Right, but JFK never sent a fucking drone to shoot down Khrushchev's number two guy.
02:36:10.000Sure, but at the same time, if you're like...
02:36:12.000Look, in a sense, the sanctions and how we've kind of collapsed, from my understanding, I'm not an expert, Iran's currency, is also a huge deal.
02:36:21.000And it has caused a lot of suffering there.
02:36:23.000So they didn't do anything about that.
02:36:33.000I just feel like this one is so public and demands a response, and I don't think they're not going to respond.
02:36:40.000They could respond in some way that's kind of like to save face.
02:36:45.000Now, how many people do you think are in the Iranian regime that want change?
02:36:54.000And that realize that the Iranian regime and their support of certain aspects of terrorism and the support of a lot of the stuff that they're claiming this guy did, including the IEDs, this is all problematic because they brought this upon them by their acts and their deeds and that we need to change the government.
02:37:11.000Like, that's really what a sophisticated...
02:37:15.000What an intelligent society would want.
02:37:17.000They would want to figure out how to infiltrate that thing, that organization, and sow seeds of doubt and let everybody know, hey, do you love your children?
02:37:26.000Because this guy just made a giant fucking mistake and it's all coming down.
02:37:29.000I can only look at it through the lens of stuff I'm informed about, which is like North Korea and the Soviet Union.
02:37:34.000And what happens is these regimes, the people at the top, aren't there because they're smart or charismatic.
02:37:42.000And everyone's always looking after each other to kind of be like, look, this guy's gone soft, and they're getting rid of each other that way.
02:37:48.000That's the power plays going on over there.
02:37:50.000So if you have someone being like, oh, maybe we shouldn't do terrorism, all of a sudden everyone's raising eyebrows and being like this.
02:37:56.000Because if you're going to advocate for that...