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00:00:27.000But what I appreciate is you know where you're at by what you're able to retain if you fight for it and the things that are going no matter what you do.
00:00:36.000Now I've heard there's some Israeli guy who's got this app, probably from Laird, got this app and you do it and you get your eyesight back.
00:00:45.000Sometimes it's about I don't need to try to use something to hold on to everything.
00:00:52.000I want to pick the five or seven things that I definitely want to hold on to and I want to watch the rest of it go in and out with the tides.
00:01:02.000I agree with that in some ways, but if there was a real thing where you could get your eyesight back, I would definitely be on that.
00:02:48.000They're doing some work with people that have serious eye diseases and serious injuries, and they're actually injecting some form of bacteria that has been encoded with some miracle cure for degeneration, and they can detach retinas, fix things.
00:03:14.000I'm sure there's going to be other issues and hurdles that you're going to go, eyesight, I don't fucking time to have real shit going on here.
00:03:24.000That thing that you're wearing around your neck, being as you are obviously known as being Iron Man, are you concerned with wearing a large thing in the exact same spot?
00:03:36.000Life is funny because I was doing this before I ever got fitted for the RT. So it was more of art imitating oddball stuff I was doing anyway.
00:03:49.000Well, but Iron Man, this is even more interesting because maybe you were born to be Iron Man because Iron Man obviously had that from the comic books.
00:04:37.000East Coaster, a dad of some renown, very different.
00:04:43.000My dad was a kind of an underground filmmaker, auteur maverick.
00:04:49.000I grew up definitely being Bob Downey Sr.'s kid.
00:04:54.000Spent time on Long Island, which is I think where Tony was raised.
00:04:58.000But when Stan Lee was really thinking that through, it was the Vietnam era and he was thinking about the military-industrial complex.
00:05:08.000He was thinking about how about if I can throw a little bit of not politics in here but karma and he gets shrapnel by the own thing and it becomes – So – and then of course there was the whole demon in the bottle.
00:05:23.000I think he was the first superhero who ever like had the – almost like hang up his jersey because he was hammered.
00:05:30.000So I mean yeah, there was obviously – but again, once something goes your way, you can draw all the parallels you want and you can call it destiny.
00:05:39.000But it was something that I definitely felt drawn to and I definitely fought for.
00:05:44.000And looking back on it, I go, why was I fighting for that?
00:05:48.000Because it turned out to be a pretty special thing.
00:06:39.000You're able to, through your talent and through your ability to take chances, you're able to be a bunch of different things as well as be the Iron Man.
00:06:50.000Yeah, I mean don't we – I don't know.
00:06:53.000If I'm noticing anything now, it's that we need to shift and we need new challenges and just like MMA and society and politics, things are moving and morphing and the information age is making things so – everything is learning and growing from everything so quickly and improving or disproving or discounting whatever is happening next.
00:07:17.000But for me – I heard that this was on the table.
00:07:22.000My missus, who's my creative partner in all things, said, Steve Gagin.
00:07:28.000I was like, I know Steve Gagin, Siriana.
00:08:59.000When they find him, he's a recluse, and then the animals clean him up, and then he looks less unhandsome or less weird for the kids for the rest of the movie.
00:09:25.000I'd say it's 70% maintenance of what can I do to do my part to stay out of the way.
00:09:33.000And then the other part, I always think of it as like this little super thin, invisible thread.
00:09:40.000But you can feel the tug and you just kind of, you have to be really gentle and you have to pause when agitated and you have to go for it when you're going to like, there's four walls in here, which one has the map behind it?
00:10:15.000Defining it or teaching you how to get to it.
00:10:17.000It's great because it's the commodity that you can't capitalize on and yet if you don't show proof of its existence, you shouldn't even be qualified to speak on it.
00:10:31.000But when it happens, whether it happens with love or with friendship or with a career or with a path you're taking, you just know there's a smile.
00:10:40.000There's an inner smile like, yeah, this is it.
00:11:06.000Would you like to go, yes, that's exactly what I'm going to do.
00:11:09.000I'm going to go have the Joe Rogan experience and kick off this year and this season and this new chapter by doing what I love, which is an interview as we're looking at each other.
00:12:34.000A few Dr. Dolittles, a couple more Sherlock Holmes.
00:12:37.000You know, it's interesting watching Eddie Murphy in this last little period of time.
00:12:44.000I was talking to Colin Jost last night who got to sit next to him at the Golden Globes and who was there on the show and writing for him with him when he hosted recently and I go, it's just incredible.
00:12:59.000Our culture… Never encourages taking a break.
00:13:05.000Never encourages saying, don't chase that thing because you've got it in your hands.
00:13:12.000And I love the idea that if you're good at what you do, then it's not about time.
00:13:18.000It's about it doesn't matter when You decide to pick up the mantle again.
00:13:27.000It's just about – but it's scary, isn't it?
00:13:51.000And then when you see him, I don't know if you ever saw him, he received some award, and he was on a panel, you know, sitting in front of a podium, rather, and he was talking about Bill Cosby, and he was doing this routine about them taking away Bill Cosby's awards.
00:14:19.000You know, that's one of the more interesting things about it.
00:14:21.000It's him talking about some of the more homophobic stuff that he did in the past.
00:14:25.000Now it makes him cringe and he just can't believe he was that person.
00:14:28.000But, you know, when he did Delirious, I think he was like 22 or something crazy like that.
00:14:34.000Which is just bonkers that he was that good.
00:14:37.000Anyway, I've been thinking about him lately in relation to a bunch of things, but also just that particularly nowadays, giving yourself permission to not have to Jump because, you know,
00:14:52.000strike the iron's hot, all that stuff.
00:14:55.000And maybe it's just as a bit of an anxiety to the times, which I remember too, speaking of past generations.
00:15:01.000I remember growing up, 1974, Nixon's black and white TV getting impeached.
00:15:07.000My dad and his buddies are whooping it up, but they're still pissed.
00:15:10.000And I'm going like, wow, it's not worse or better.
00:16:14.000It becomes an enormous portion of the real state of their mind.
00:16:19.000It takes over most of their day-to-day consciousness where they're consumed with it and it becomes a thing they're cheering for or they're rooting against and then, you know, your life revolves on something that you have very little power over.
00:17:18.000Look, if you just hung back and just did nothing but watch TV for a year, the fucking ideas you would have, you'd probably have a really rock-solid idea of what's going on.
00:17:29.000His was more trying to have enough things going on that I wouldn't have any ideas for a year.
00:17:35.000And then I'd give myself a break for a year.
00:18:39.000Because everyone has to accept that at one point in time you're going to have to get off the ride, but when you're doing great and you're kicking it, like, boxers are a perfect example.
00:19:34.000Look, it's just – first of all, it's 2020 and I'm not an OCD guy but I keep thinking see clearly.
00:19:42.000See clearly even if your vision is going and it's difficult because I feel like we all just get buffeted by – Feelings and ego or fears or little chips of resentments or intuitions that are tied to something maybe higher but you think is out of your reach.
00:20:04.000So it was a perfect time and I got to go have dinner with a bunch of the Marvel folks last night and kind of have just a little bit of extra closure because the movie came out and it was bananas and the directors were sending me pictures of like people flipping out in theaters when Tony snaps and I was like,
00:20:23.000whoa, this is kind of like a really big cultural thing.
00:20:26.000But then like Victoria Alonzo, who's the head of VFX for all these movies, a literal super genius or – Kevin Feige or Favreau or Scarlett or some people that have just been there with it for a long time.
00:20:41.000We were there experiencing it all when it came out and then we see each other on a red carpet and it's not intimate and then we kind of hadn't really had a chance just to – Do nothing.
00:20:57.000So it was really interesting being here today because yesterday was this kind of – last night was this kind of real – felt like closing the circle on things a bit.
00:21:09.000But I like that you want to move on and I like that you're doing something like Dr. Doolittle because that's – You've done a lot of wild shit in your life.
00:21:21.000You've done a lot of wild shit in your career.
00:21:24.000You sort of embody every new chapter with the same kind of energy, although there's a different result and a different piece of art.
00:21:56.000Even though he plays the There Will Be Blood guy and all these different psychopaths and various fascinating characters, you're pumped to see him do it.
00:22:15.000There's a lot of shit going on in your head.
00:22:17.000So when you dive into something, whatever it is, whether it's your character from Tropic Thunder or whatever it is, it's going to be Robert Downey Jr. diving into something.
00:22:27.000So I would imagine it would be kind of annoying, even though you were brilliant at Iron Man, to stay Iron Man.
00:22:55.000There was a period of time where I felt like I did the first Ironman and then I went and did Tropic Thunder and then I was doing the first Sherlock and I had my shirt off and I was doing Marshall.
00:23:05.000I was all over the place and it just felt like I was hitting triples no matter what I did.
00:23:12.000And then people are like, are you really as confident as you seem?
00:23:16.000And I was like, I guess right now I am, yeah.
00:23:19.000And then, and I think this goes, I mean, this reminds me, we were just talking about the McGregor-Cowboy fight coming up, you know?
00:25:24.000Okay, and he was kind of the de facto producer of it, uncredited.
00:25:29.000And he taught me a lot about just acting and what it was.
00:25:33.000And he said, what's your action in this scene?
00:25:36.000And I was like, oh no, he's asking me.
00:25:38.000I was like, my action, I'm picking up girls.
00:25:41.000He goes, what's your action in this scene?
00:25:44.000And I was like, I'm driving a car and he asked me like, you know that thing sometimes when someone asks you a question and just – you get caught flat-footed and he goes, no, your action is you're trying to go to work but you're getting distracted by this addiction you have to trying to get laid.
00:26:01.000So your action is you're trying to get to work and I was like, oh yeah, he's right.
00:26:06.000And he said, always know what your action is because then when you come in in the morning confident or when you come in in the morning and you can't hit your ass with both hands, you know what to do.
00:26:17.000So to me, one of the great lessons I learned from him was, oh yeah, Just boil down what it is you're doing, whether there's a camera around or just what am I doing today?
00:26:27.000Today I'm showing up and I'm trying to be honest and also to listen and learn.
00:26:40.000But really my action today is I'm beginning a process of promotion.
00:26:48.000Warren Beatty is another guy who learned how to put his guns down.
00:26:52.000I remember watching that Madonna movie.
00:27:49.000And again, like Eddie, you know, I look back to me...
00:27:54.000That movie to me was a circle back to my dad's movie called Putney Swope, which I highly recommend anyone who hasn't seen to see about a black guy who takes over an ad agency in the 60s because everyone votes for him when the head of the company dies because they think no one else will.
00:28:14.000And it's about what happens when someone who is free-spirited takes over an essentially corrupt endeavor.
00:28:20.000And then he realizes and confronts his own corruption.
00:28:24.000But I remember I was probably two or three when that was being shot and when it came out and it was so a part of my...
00:28:32.000And I just remembered some of the folks that were around my dad at that time.
00:28:36.000And so when Ben called and said, hey, I'm doing this thing and, you know, I think maybe Sean Penn had passed on it or something like that.
00:29:11.000The other thing is I get to hold up to nature the insane self-involved hypocrisy of artists and what they think they're allowed to do on occasion.
00:29:25.000And also Ben, who is a masterful artist and director, probably the closest thing to a Charlie Chaplin that I've experienced in my lifetime.
00:29:37.000If you had seen him when he was directing this movie, you would have been like, I'm watching David Lean, I'm watching Chaplin, I'm watching Coppola.
00:29:45.000He knew exactly what the vision for this was.
00:31:00.000Where is the pendulum maybe cutting a little into what could be perceived as heart in the right place, openness of its time?
00:31:13.000I mean, you know, there's a morality clause here on this planet and it's a big price to pay and I think having a moral psychology is job one.
00:31:24.000So sometimes you just got to go, yeah, you know, I effed up.
00:31:29.000Again, not in my defense, but Tropic Thunder was about how wrong that is.
00:34:37.000It was just, you know, it was one little mosaic after the next.
00:34:43.000By the end of it, I had some pride that AI had made it through – forget that it was blackface.
00:34:50.000It was special effects makeup day after [...
00:35:14.000So when you memorize lines, that's an interesting thing that you said that you were free to do it.
00:35:20.000Like when you memorize lines, is there ever a part like when you're acting where you have to think like, okay, what am I supposed to say next?
00:35:29.000And how much does that get in the way?
00:35:32.000Look, I have a very broad band of tolerances.
00:35:37.000I don't care if the people I'm with happen to not know what they're doing or don't know their lines or stepping on my lines or whatever or want to change their lines and my lines.
00:36:06.000So if there was a thousand words I had to remember, I would just remember the first letter of each and I would put it on a piece of poster board and then I would stand away from it.
00:36:17.000Not as far as you and your archery setup over there but far enough away to where I can see it but kind of can't see it back when my vision was a little more clear.
00:36:25.000And I would just run it and run it and run it.
00:36:28.000When I did the first Sherlock, we were rewriting it so much and I would have pages and pages of stuff.
00:37:09.000Like you decide with whatever preparation you're going to do for each role how you're going to do it.
00:37:15.000Whether you're going to go and memorize everything obsessively or whether you're just going to be a little bit more loose and free with it.
00:38:50.000I mean John and I and the writers or John and I, we were – just would write – you write a line, I'll write a line and then we would – We were literally watching the puppies be born as we did it.
00:39:02.000Frustrating for people who – not Gwyneth because she can look at a piece of paper and then go, OK, I get it and she's got it all memorized.
00:39:22.000You need an environment of respect but I like discovering things.
00:39:28.000How much of acting is managing those weird relationships that you have with these other people that you're acting with?
00:39:35.000You've made some references to people changing other people's lines and not being prepared.
00:39:41.000I got out of acting for that very reason.
00:39:44.000That was the thing that I... I went from a world of stand-up comedy, which are just a bunch of crazy people, to actors, which are a bunch of crazy people but in a different way.
00:39:55.000And managing all the different characters and all the different personalities, how hard is that?
00:40:01.000That seems like that could really get in the way.
00:41:14.000My MO is always, let's mind meld, let's get together, let's work weekends, let's spend time together, because you can't replace that familiarity, so you have to try to build it.
00:41:26.000And sometimes it happens very naturally.
00:41:35.000He's technically such a brilliant actor but he also doesn't take himself seriously.
00:41:40.000He's flaky but he's the first guy you would want to have your back if something went down.
00:41:46.000And yet we're different enough where I feel like by being who we are and then both having those characters, we were able to – I thought Civil War was a special moment in the arc of the Marvel films about turning one against the other and what it meant.
00:42:09.000As a matter of fact, the whole Marvel universe, possibly without exception, just happens to be a really well – what do you call that when you put together something curated group of souls?
00:42:25.000Well, it's interesting because people take superhero movies seriously now.
00:42:31.000Like, now superhero movies are films that happen to be about superheroes.
00:42:36.000Whereas, you know, for the longest time, superhero movies were bullshit.
00:42:41.000You know, the TV shows were kind of clunky.
00:44:30.000And Keanu and I and Woody and Winona and it was this cool thing and we would shoot these scenes and he would say, you can just leave your body mic on the outside because we're just painting the whole thing.
00:44:42.000So that rotoscoping is a great metaphor for essentially what the Marvel movies became when sometimes you would even go and I'm supposed to come in and like throw something.
00:44:53.000It was off camera but everything else was great.
00:44:56.000Oh, we'll just move your arm later and you go, wow.
00:44:59.000So you never want to rest on your laurels and say – but after a certain while, I was like – Why am I wearing this football suit?
00:45:09.000Just put some dots on my shoulders so I can move more freely.
00:45:31.000So everybody got to join in on the joys and the miseries of the technical challenge of doing it.
00:45:40.000And speaking of Ruffalo, by the end, because he's a smart hulk, He literally – they were just making him big wherever he was and they put a little – a piece of PVC with a big Hulk head up about five feet over where his head was and he was just there in a green suit.
00:45:57.000So in a tracking suit with like his package out, you know, and he'd be like, let me just at least tie like a little sarong around my, come on guys, whatever, you know.
00:46:07.000And so I think Mark went about as far out into the ionosphere of CG as you can.
00:46:16.000I didn't get the whole smart Hulk thing.
00:46:47.000What if he could meet himself in the middle?
00:46:50.000And then what corner have we painted ourselves in by having him meet himself in the middle because then you can't – if that doesn't work, you can't go back to the way it was.
00:46:59.000You've done it or you can go back to the way it was.
00:47:01.000So I just think that the real genius of the Marvel creative team is they – and the Russo brothers who did the last few – Avengers Infinity War and Endgame is they go, we love writing ourselves into a corner.
00:47:43.000I think if you're one of the folks who has their standalone movies like Scarlet has Black Widow coming out, I think you take a – I would.
00:47:50.000You take a bit of a different – I think the legal phrase for actors and studios is meaningful consultation, not script approval, because then anybody could hold a studio hostage because I don't approve this $30 million that you're trying to spend right now.
00:48:22.000I've had my moments too because I'm so passionate about story.
00:48:27.000But again, after more seat time with the same people and new people coming in and getting a pretty brutal education on what kind of process these movies require, you just start trusting more that they're thinking on your behalf.
00:48:47.000And also, little things are easy to change.
00:48:50.000Big things become an inconvenience to the higher good.
00:48:54.000And at what point do you want to pull the air brake on something where the train's already leaving the station?
00:49:04.000Well, I would imagine it would be a fine line.
00:49:07.000They want the actor to be comfortable with the character, and maybe some feedback would be beneficial.
00:49:15.000But they also have a path, a vision that they've created.
00:49:19.000They would like to see you somehow or another at least morph slightly to get on this path.
00:49:26.000Yeah, and by the way, after I had my second round of kids with Susan, I became both artistically, I had a bit of a renaissance when I was doing the third Iron Man.
00:49:38.000And then after that too, I was like, well, now I'm going to do this Avengers and there's so many moving parts and it's so difficult just to get all these schedules to coincide and get everyone together that I'm not going to be like, I'm not feeling it.
00:50:13.000I would imagine when you're involved in something that's so epic, when it's actually over, it probably almost seems surreal.
00:50:19.000Because the production is so massive, there's so many moving pieces, there's so many special effects, so many things that you have to sort of visualize while you're doing it.
00:50:28.000And then after it's all over, you're done.
00:50:35.000How many months are you involved in this for?
00:50:38.000Well, I mean it could be some part of 18 months to two years depending on how far out you are and then four to six months of principal photography and then additional photography and then post and then I always include promotion.
00:53:34.000And part of me even this morning was like, I hope he looks into my eyes and doesn't see a complete and utter foolish fraud because I would probably believe him if he mirrored that back to me.
00:54:22.000I respect some people that are that because there's an ability to – maybe it's fear-based.
00:54:34.000But I always appreciate people who – there's people like their icons are big shots or they hold a certain esteem and all of their texts are very simple.
00:55:28.000And the fact that I actually have a place in it while I'm observing it and digging it, it's an honor.
00:55:39.000Well, that's a beautiful perspective, and that shows in how you carry yourself, and it shows in the work that you do, that you do appreciate it.
00:55:48.000One of the saddest things is someone who's in an amazing position who doesn't appreciate it.
00:55:54.000And that drives other people crazy, too.
00:55:58.000Like, prima donnas drive people crazy for a variety of reasons, but one of the big ones is you don't appreciate how fortunate you are And people love when people appreciate good fortune and appreciate a well-earned position and are engrossed in a beautiful life of something that they really enjoy and something that really inspires them.
00:56:22.000Well, I need to be kept right-sized because I can easily fall into self-seeking and depression and self-pity and judgment and all that stuff.
00:56:35.000It's a bit of a default, but I spend enough energy and I've had enough help over enough years to actually just say, oh, that's just awful, destructive behavior.
00:56:49.000You're entertaining in your head, you know?
00:56:58.000For me, sometimes it's very hard to step outside and just...
00:57:02.000Just take a pause and recognize that not everything's going to be right the first time you try it.
00:57:08.000I think that a lot of people that are really great at things, it's one of the things about them is that they're not very satisfied with their work.
00:57:19.000They're always looking for it to be better.
00:57:21.000And then that can start that cycle in their head of self-loathing and anxiety and anger at their performance or their work or whatever it is.
00:57:39.000I'll be the first to tell you, like, you know, do certain movies, or we were doing Tropic Thunder, one of the first, you know, Iron Man movies, I was like, I'd go over to the monitor, I'd be like, play that back again.
00:58:06.000For me, it's like the playback of the perfect Superman punch KO and just go, show me that again.
00:58:13.000Or when we were shooting Tropic Thunder, I had a little teaser clip for Iron Man, but it wasn't coming out until the next year and we were going to go to Comic-Con.
00:58:24.000So I got to see it and show it to people and they're like, oh, I think that movie's going to do pretty good.
00:58:30.000And then when we went to Comic-Con, we saw it, but It used to be like that with music too.
01:00:35.000Well, fighters talk about that all the time, especially a counter shot.
01:00:39.000They land something, and they don't even have any idea they're going to do it, and they did it, and then it caused the knockout.
01:00:45.000It's their training manifest itself in this one special beautiful moment where bang this thing happens and then they see the guy drop and like holy shit and then they walk away and it's the work it's it's there's so many things involved right there's so many moving pieces you have to be working on your own mind to learn how to get out of your own way you also have to be like really engrossed in whatever the activity is that you're doing like obsessed in love with it passionate about it And then you have to have the discipline to show up and actually do the
01:01:36.000It's that weird thing about how to get it all.
01:01:39.000And honestly, particularly in the last 15 years when I started really taking martial arts seriously, half the stuff that I've been able to do right in my creative life are principles that I learned on the mat with my Sifu.
01:04:04.000So anyway, half the time If I would be in a critical artistic situation, I would just say – because Wing Chun problems are life problems.
01:04:17.000Life problems are Wing Chun problems and I would just go back to how did this kind of relate to – because I don't like getting clocked and getting my teeth knocked in because we tend to – sometimes we glove up but we're not wearing mouthpieces.
01:04:29.000It's very – Why are you wearing a wild piece?
01:04:32.000It's certainly not because he's very good at pulling his punches and he's also even better at making sure that I don't accidentally hit him.
01:04:40.000But we get as close as we can to what the real experience would be.
01:04:49.000I'm sure a few clicks back down the road, there's things that instructors were doing that would be considered illegal to do to a group of students nowadays.
01:05:19.000It absolutely coincided with my recovery.
01:05:23.000And the two things just somehow or other seem to lock in and talk to you off the record and afterwards about any and everything to do with my recovery as far as – It locked in with this.
01:05:40.000It was an apprenticeship, and it was an apprenticeship that was contingent on me being in a certain headspace.
01:05:49.000Well, it's a good thing, too, because it's a very addictive thing.
01:05:54.000People get very addicted to martial arts, and it's a good substitute for sometimes negative addictions.
01:06:00.000Bourdain, before he died, he was obsessed with Brazilian jiu-jitsu.
01:06:04.000Yeah, became really obsessed with it at 58 and got really good.
01:06:09.000He was training every day and he was training twice a day every day.
01:06:13.000So he went from when I first met him, he was chubby, he was smoking cigarettes, he drank every night, still kind of still drank every night.
01:06:20.000But, you know, he just did enough healthy things to keep his body together.
01:06:25.000And then his ex-wife got really into jujitsu.
01:06:29.000And then he decided to follow her one day to classes.
01:06:32.000And he was kind of mocking it and laughing at it at first.
01:06:44.000Jesus H. What's really crazy is a picture of him walking down the street in, I think they were in Rome, and he has no shirt on, and he's fucking ripped.
01:07:47.000Yeah, my Taekwondo teacher said something to me when I was very young.
01:07:50.000He said that it is a tool for developing your human potential.
01:07:55.000Yeah, and I never forgot that because I'm like, yeah, it's because it's really difficult to do.
01:07:59.000Like all martial arts are really – it's really difficult to get your body to move that way and to be able to be effective in a conflict situation.
01:08:06.000And if you can do it and you can do it over and over again and you can overcome that difficult thing and you thought it was insurmountable and then you figured out how to do it, eventually you get to this point where you realize, well, everything in life is like that.
01:08:17.000Everything in life is like something, it's a puzzle.
01:08:19.000You have to figure out how am I approaching it wrong?
01:08:32.000I mean if I've noticed anything in the last couple years just in In UFC, which by the way, I was doing a Robert Altman film called The Gingerbread Man back in the 90s and UFC had just started off and I was getting the VHS tapes and watching them.
01:08:47.000And so when they go back on the 25 years ago, I was like, I've been there from jump.
01:09:09.000Well, that was a real wake-up call for a lot of martial artists was the UFC because a lot of the stuff that they were doing really wasn't effective.
01:09:16.000They thought it would be if everybody was playing by the rules in the dojo and sort of following along the...
01:09:22.000But once you really saw an actual caged event where people were just going balls out, you realize, oh, a lot of this stuff just doesn't work.
01:10:50.000And also, since I threw my hat in the ring with this kind of green technology initiatives, I... I'm probably going to wind up auctioning them all off, to be honest.