Bill Simmons joins Jemele to talk about his life as a radio host, his new show on HBO, and why he doesn t want to take over Howard Stern's radio show. Plus, Bill and Jemele reminisce about their days on Comedy Central's Politically Incorrect and how they met, and what it was like working with Howard Stern on his show and why they don t get the same amount of time as they do now. Plus, they talk about what it's like being on the set of the hit HBO show The Office and how it s changed over the years, and how the show has changed since it left the network. And, of course, they discuss the new season of Veep that s coming back on HBO and why it s probably not going to be as good as it used to be. And, as always, there s a good ol' ol' Joe Rogan joke of the week. Enjoy, and spread the word to your friends about this episode of The Man Cave and the Man Cave. Cheers, Jon! Jon and Alex! Timestamps: 1:00 - Who's the funniest person on the planet? 2:30 - What's funnier than Bill Simmons? 3:20 - Who would you rather? 4:15 - Who do you miss? 5:40 - What are you looking for? 6:00- What's your favorite part of the man cave? 7:00 8:10 - What do you want to do next? 9: What's the best thing? 10:30 11:00: What is your favorite thing to do in life? 12:15- What are your favorite TV show? 13:10- What s your favorite movie? 15:00 | What are the worst thing you re watching right now? 16:10 17:30 | What is the biggest thing you ve ever watched? 18: Is it your favorite moment? 19:40 | What would you like to watch in a movie or TV show you ve watched on Netflix? 21: What s the worst movie you veep? 22:00 +16:30: How do you think you veeeeeeeee? 23:00 Is there something you ve been watching on Netflix or HBO? 27:30 + 17:20
00:01:26.000We used to do a season from February to, like, May, and then we'd be off for four months and come back for a few months in the fall.
00:01:35.000That's not the way you can do it when you're following events, a live show.
00:01:39.000So finally, somewhere in there, they just, okay, so then it was one long season as opposed to two, so I guess they counted the early years as two.
00:01:47.000We've been on HBO since 2003, but of course, you were on the old show, Politically Incorrect.
00:02:56.000When we moved to ABC, it must be ABC. When we moved to ABC, I think we probably sold them the rights to the show, which was probably stupid, but at the time it made sense.
00:04:49.000They are going to watch me to catch them up.
00:04:54.000And it's my job to obviously entertain them, but also to point out what's important.
00:05:01.000What happened this week that you should know about?
00:05:03.000Somewhere in that live hour, whether it's in the monologue or in New Rules or the editorial I do at the end or in the panel, somewhere I want to cover everything I think you should know.
00:05:15.000It doesn't necessarily mean it's the things that the newspaper does.
00:05:18.000Or other outlets thought was important.
00:05:22.000What I think is really important, that's what I'm going to cover.
00:05:26.000So there is something to be said for condensing.
00:05:29.000There's also a lot to be said for letting it breathe.
00:05:32.000You know, I mean, letting it breathe, I do miss that sometimes.
00:06:39.000I mean, I like the fact that unlike my early days when you'd sweat backstage and you'd hear the Tonight Show band playing, it's like...
00:06:48.000You know, Johnny's going to ask you this, and then you're going to say that, and you're going to do this, and don't fucking veer from this.
00:06:52.000You'll get in trouble, and this is good.
00:09:11.000It was a TV movie and we stayed at the Club Med.
00:09:19.000I was in, you know, it was kind of a low budget thing as far as the people in the cast and crew went because we stayed at the Club Med, which was not, Club Med is not a luxury hotel.
00:14:13.000And I like the show, but whenever you're showing a stand-up comic and it's acting, you're acting as a stand-up and then the audience has to laugh.
00:14:25.000There's something about it that isn't...
00:15:18.000If you're there live, you'll get 100% of it.
00:15:20.000So not only that, not only are you watching it not live, right, because you've got a recording of it, but now it's also a fake recording.
00:15:27.000So it's a guy pretending to be on stage and an audience pretending to be an audience, and the whole thing is a disaster.
00:15:33.000Yeah, so maybe it's a blessing in disguise that it never got made into a movie.
00:15:38.000They do a pretty decent job of capturing, the marvelous Mrs. Maisel does, of capturing the early scene in clubs, of her going up drunk and talking shit, and then people telling her, you could probably do comedy.
00:15:51.000It seems chaotic and real, but it gets a little less realistic as time goes on.
00:15:56.000But you watch that show and you like it.
00:19:14.000I mean, it just shows how different the audiences are and how we have...
00:19:20.000I don't know if it's that or if it's that there's an expectation that people have a short attention span so that everything is made for that expectation.
00:20:11.000He liked that story about the innocent guy who's being chased.
00:20:16.000By somebody, and he doesn't know why they're chasing him, and the police are after him, but he's got to find the bad guys before the police find him.
00:20:43.000I'm sorry, but I think they've improved on that.
00:20:46.000Maybe that's sacrilege to the movie community, and Martin Scorsese will write me a letter or something, but Jesus Christ, I'd much rather watch Salt.
00:20:56.000There's a thriller that moves, or Jason Bourne, those movies.
00:21:01.000I feel like they took what Hitchcock was doing, and yes, they revved it up, and I'm glad they did.
00:23:57.000But I also know a guy who was a promoter and told incredibly ridiculous stories about things that Bill Cosby did that were not sexual, but just informed me that what his kink is is part of a much larger sickness about control and making people do control.
00:24:24.000I heard he makes people watch him eat curry.
00:24:27.000He would make the whole staff come into his dressing room and watch him eat.
00:24:31.000I hadn't heard that exactly, but it's exactly in line with what I heard, that he would do things like make you, what was one of them, like he would order food and then he would say, you know, scoop out the doughy part of the hamburger bun with After you wash your hands and put it back on the hamburger.
00:24:55.000Or once he asked them to send him the soap that he hadn't finished using in the dressing room.
00:25:48.000I worked at a casino, and he made the security guard tuck him into bed and shut the lights off.
00:25:57.000He's like, I'm going to lie on the bed, and I want you to tuck me in and shut the lights off.
00:26:04.000He had a whole routine that he wanted them to follow, and he wanted them to tuck him into bed.
00:26:11.000Well, I had a friend who had an interesting take on it, and he said there is something that happens to some famous people, particularly famous people who were famous a long time ago, where they feel like they are better than other people.
00:26:26.000There is a giant gap between them and other people, and they feel like they can do things to people.
00:26:55.000But the other thing that he was doing in public was he was trying to chastise other comics for using bad words, and he had a lot of weird control issues with that as well.
00:28:53.000See, that's why I'm saying I'm glad I did this because I don't have to think about, oh, my wardrobe and what I'm going to wear and is Johnny going to like me?
00:31:04.000Yeah, but I'm saying, but that's how I keep sharp, or as sharp as I can be.
00:31:11.000Well, also, I gave up on memorization years ago.
00:31:15.000First of all, with all the pot I've smoked, it just wasn't going to happen.
00:31:19.000I've used what I call the poor man's teleprompter for, oh, it's got to be 20 years, which is I have a music stand on stage, and then I have my notebook, which has my bullet points, and I don't think the audience even notices it after.
00:33:20.000So we do Maui on December 30th, and we do New Year's Eve in Honolulu.
00:33:25.000And there's always surprises, and this year Sarah Silverman did it, and Bobby Slayton, and we have sometimes some very well-known musicians who join us.
00:33:39.000Woody Harrelson is also in Maui, and Plays with us a little bit.
00:35:31.000I don't think I'm talking out of school about Charlie Chaplin.
00:35:35.000Can you conjure something up there on your magic light box, Jamie, and see if there's information that – what are we – I just didn't know.
00:37:20.00016 is fairly young, but people died young back then.
00:37:22.000I was thinking recently, people were just rougher.
00:37:26.000You know, I mean, you and I, I think, walk the same path very often, talking about we, I think, are progressives, but we have short patience with some of the fragile, woke bullshit.
00:37:41.000And some of that is just the way you're brought up.
00:37:46.000I think they're indulged, and that's the reason why they freak out over microaggressions and stuff.
00:37:52.000And some of that is just, I was telling someone this story, not apropos of this, just talking about something else, but it just reminded me that here, I'm a kid who had, I think, a normal middle-class upbringing.
00:39:56.000And I wouldn't recommend these things exactly, necessarily, although getting someplace on your own I don't think is the worst thing in the world.
00:44:09.000I mean, I don't even think it's legal to watch porn with a 13-year-old kid, but if you have a son and he's 13 and you know he's going to be exposed to these things, you almost have a responsibility to talk him through it and just give him some...
00:44:22.000To give some understanding of what is the landscape.
00:46:00.000That's one of the bad things about the internet, is that in the old days, if you were some sort of weirdo pervert, you thought, and the world was better because you thought, that you were completely alone in the world.
00:46:11.000Now, whatever your kink is, you could put it on the internet.
00:46:15.000You could write, you know, I want a hooker to shit on me while I play with electric trains, and there'll be a thousand people in two minutes who are saying, me too!
00:47:07.000And that was the main theme of it was women are doing it, young women, but they don't like it.
00:47:12.000And it's not surprising they don't like it.
00:47:14.000Guys are, of course, wired very differently and they just want to hook up and move on.
00:47:19.000I read also an article about it and I think it was in Vanity Fair and the woman says, okay, she did it once, she tried Tinder, she goes to a hotel or meets a guy she had just met over the phone and they fuck and then she said,
00:47:37.000as I was getting dressed I turned around and he was sitting on the bed looking at Tinder.
00:48:36.000It was hilarious when you have a dating site set up just for people that want to cheat and then they all get busted because someone hacks into it.
00:48:44.000Like, do you fucking dummies use your real name?
00:49:58.000It's about how people behave, the polyamorous relationships they had in these primitive cultures before DNA testing and before they understood paternity.
00:51:59.000My point would be that any of these animals that are doing this, they're not doing this because they have a choice and they understand what it is.
00:53:11.000It's a strange time where I feel like if you read Steven Pinker's stuff, he talks about how life has never really been easier than we have it today.
00:53:22.000But it's also probably one of the reasons why people are so outraged about things today.
00:53:37.000There still is real murder and real rape and real robberies.
00:53:40.000But there's less of it than ever before.
00:53:42.000But yet there's more outrage than ever before about nonsense things.
00:53:46.000Well, when societies get too successful, and you could make that claim about America, that's when they become a feat, and that's when they become soft, and that's when they fall.
00:53:56.000This is a story that goes back to ancient Rome and Lots of other societies.
00:54:40.000Those are the people coming from those Central American countries that they always are freaking out about, the Trump administration, because yes...
00:54:48.000When gangs rule the country in El Salvador and Honduras, those places, life is precarious and easy to lose.
00:54:59.000But I know Steven Pinker's point, which is a great point, is let's not forget that in the last 20, 30 years, The amount of people we've risen out of extreme poverty, the people who used to live on a dollar a day.
00:55:16.000It wasn't that long ago when I read this stat, a billion people defecate in the street.
00:55:29.000Now, part of the reason why Trump people are upset about jobs and stuff and going overseas, well, that's part of the reason why, is because we lifted out of extreme poverty people all over the world.
00:55:42.000But they took those manufacturing jobs.
00:55:45.000That's why they're not living in extreme poverty and why they're not pooping in the street, because they're making Trump ties as opposed to somebody in Ohio.
00:56:00.000I mean, this is like what we're talking about with us growing up, that life was rougher, and life is easier today, but you have more access to information, so maybe it could be better.
00:56:11.000And then things seem to be moving in a better direction in terms of things being safer, less violence, less crime, less rape.
00:56:17.000And then people also get upset at you bringing up those statistics.
00:56:22.000That's where it's really interesting that Pinker gets attacked for just stating statistical facts.
00:57:00.000It should be something that everybody rejects.
00:57:02.000It should be something that angers everyone.
00:57:04.000It shouldn't be tied to one party or another party.
00:57:08.000And it really should be something that if there's a real problem with communication in this society, one of them is the denial of actual facts and information.
00:57:18.000If we know things, we have rock solid statistics, whether it's about climate change, whether it's about war, the budget, whatever the fuck it is, if you have a real number, And you want to spin and deny.
00:58:56.000You're either red or blue, liberal or conservative, and everything that one side does That anybody does that represents that side has to be owned by that entire side.
00:59:10.000Because people go, well, you're the party of.
00:59:13.000So whenever there's something on the left that's cuckoo crazy, We all own it.
00:59:49.000I mean, these are just regular people.
00:59:51.000And I think when someone reads the kind of stories you see every day, and it's an eye roll, and it's an eye roll at the left, that's when you lose people.
01:01:41.000Yeah, I don't think he, like, stood – I insist on saying this word.
01:01:46.000But, you know, it seems like there's no room anymore for someone just to go, oh, sorry, I didn't realize this was such a thing.
01:01:53.000Because, you know, they do move the goalposts often.
01:01:56.000And they like to because it's easier to catch people that way.
01:01:59.000So how about just, oh, sorry, I guess we don't do this anymore, my bad, and move on with our lives instead of, no, you're canceled, you're cut, you are irredeemable.
01:03:01.000Because that is what you would hope some crazy version of a president would say that would never really exist, but all of a sudden he exists.
01:03:09.000Sometimes he says something that I totally do not want a president to say.
01:03:15.000But if he wasn't president, like, for example, when he was confronted, may have been by Bill O'Reilly when he was still extant, about Putin killing journalists or something, and Trump said something like,
01:04:12.000Well, the team thing is so prevalent that even when he does something militarily, like backs out of a country, you see people on the left criticizing him for not going in.
01:05:02.000But he said something really ridiculous.
01:05:03.000He was saying that maybe it's good that women get so much money in divorce because of all the shit they've been through for men over the years.
01:05:13.000And I was like, what does that have to do with money and divorce?
01:05:17.000Like, if that's an individual person that's getting money from another individual person, is she collecting?
01:05:24.000Is this like reparations for all the horrible things that have happened for women?
01:05:27.000And he goes, well, and so he starts getting defensive.
01:05:29.000He goes, well, what about income inequality that women have to deal with?
01:06:08.000Which, of course, we don't want kids in cages, but there's a whole discussion to be had about immigration as opposed to just kids in cages.
01:06:31.000They don't feel like they have to learn a lot about a subject because you have these mic drop sayings or phrases that just stop people from talking.
01:06:42.000Well, I'd fortunately known the actual statistics, and so when we were talking about it, I was saying, no, no, they choose different jobs.
01:06:49.000And also, they negotiate for themselves differently.
01:06:52.000They need to negotiate for themselves better.
01:06:55.000Well, that's one of the things when people accuse Jordan Peterson of being sexist.
01:06:58.000You know, Jordan Peterson literally counseled and coached women how to be more assertive in their jobs to get better raises.
01:07:05.000It was really explaining how to do this and just even maybe possibly against your better instincts to exert yourself and show that you understand your value.
01:07:51.000There's so much to make fun of men's rights guys, but I had one of my comedy specials, I had a bit about it, where they were saying, do you know that men get raped more often than women?
01:08:51.000I think the pendulum's swinging the other way, though.
01:08:54.000I think really dumb statements like, fuck all white men, like we used to hear on Twitter, and people used to applaud and retweet it.
01:09:01.000I think people are now like, oh, what the fuck?
01:09:03.000Well, that's a little out there, but I have heard when...
01:09:06.000Now, it's going in the other direction because the race is winnowing, but at the point of, say, six months, a year ago, when lots of people were getting into the race, at some point there were 24 Democrats in there, and when a white guy would get in, it was very common to hear,
01:09:39.000We are using race and gender to say whether someone is qualified, just so we understand what we're doing here.
01:09:44.000Because I don't think that's exactly what Martin Luther King meant when he said judge by the content of their character.
01:09:55.000It's the dumbest form of identity politics and it's really ridiculously dumb when they don't realize that that same sort of strategy is going to come right back around at you.
01:10:04.000It's like people that think, oh that guy's pissing me off, I'm going to go fucking punch him.
01:10:07.000Well guess what, he's going to punch you back.
01:10:32.000Somebody must have written a book on it.
01:10:33.000I just want to know how we got to this place where, you know, first of all, this idea that you have to live in the style of which you've become accustomed?
01:11:10.000And I've had friends that have gotten divorced, and even though they had come to an agreement with the ex, like, let's listen to this, and you'll get this, and I'll get this, fine.
01:11:19.000Then the lawyers jump in, he's trying to fuck you, and they're trying to fuck you over, you deserve more.
01:11:23.000That's exactly the plot of the movie Marriage, have you seen Marriage Story?
01:11:29.000I was, again, at the beginning, because it was about...
01:11:34.000An actress and a theater director, and I was like, Jesus fucking Christ, can't you at least pretend that there are people in America not outside of your exact circle?
01:11:44.000There have been so many big movies, you know, that are just about your world of show business.
01:11:50.000Have a little creativity, make them something else.
01:11:53.000And then it's just a terrific movie about, there's no bells and whistles.
01:11:58.000It's just, we're married, we seem very happy, and And then, well, we're not happy, and we're going to get divorced, and then we're going to just do it amicably and not get lawyers involved, and then it all falls apart.
01:12:13.000And once it goes down that path that you're talking about, it just becomes as vicious as anything without guns.
01:12:20.000Well, I had a friend who got divorced and no family, no children.
01:12:52.000Every time somebody says, you know, people unfortunately get a horrible disease like cancer, and they say, I couldn't have gotten through it without my wife.
01:13:01.000I always think, yeah, and maybe she gave it to you.
01:13:04.000I don't mean, of course, literally, but I just mean that when you're in a bad relationship, the stress, we don't know what contributes all the things to cancer, but that certainly is, I'm sure, one of them.
01:13:19.000And then going through a divorce like that, I've seen people, like you say, just broken.
01:13:32.000They're doing it so that they can extract the maximum amount of money out of the mail.
01:13:37.000That way, the lawyer gets the biggest chunk that they could possibly get.
01:13:41.000Most lawyers, they're working on a percentage basis.
01:13:44.000Especially if a woman doesn't have as much money, or if the lawyer will come to her, look, we've got a deal here, we'll figure this out, don't pay me now, we're going to make sure we get you the most, we'll take care of it all in the end.
01:13:57.000And this is what has happened to several of my friends that have been divorced.
01:14:00.000And you know what it is once you see it.
01:14:02.000What I get and I understand and I accept and I support is child support.
01:14:08.000I mean, I grew up with a deadbeat dad.
01:14:13.000And I have many friends that have also experienced a lot of financial hardship growing up because their dad was a piece of shit and didn't want to pay for their children.
01:14:22.000People are very close to me, including my wife.
01:14:27.000There's a big difference between that a man taking responsibility for his children It's a big difference between that and alimony alimony is creepy There's something creepy about like my friend like I said didn't even have a child with this woman He is still paying her by the way.
01:14:43.000This is the same guy very good friend of mine has been divorced for 14 years has been married For 12 to a new woman.
01:17:00.000I think it's a scam that's set up because the men in general are in control of the finances or make more money and they can extract more money from them that way.
01:17:08.000I don't see a lot of people turning it down.
01:17:09.000Yeah, I mean, that's why the system, I think, is set up the way it's set up.
01:17:26.000If the board was like here, it would be a fucking billion scratches on one side and four lines and the one through it and then next to it is like Tom Arnold.
01:17:37.000That's why I never understood the concept of marriage because when people would say, why don't you want to get married?
01:17:46.000I'd say, why would I invite the federal and state government into my love life?
01:19:36.000Well, but that's putting a level of logic into it that's probably not going to really obtain when the moment comes because by that time you're so codependent.
01:20:21.000But it also, you know, I remember you, it's funny you mentioned Tom Arnold.
01:20:26.000I had him on the very first episode of Politically Incorrect, I think with Roseanne.
01:20:32.000And they were talking about marriage and he said, the great thing about marriage is when you have a big fight and somebody says, I'm leaving, you can go, you can't, we're married.
01:20:55.000Or when they make you look at the sonogram when you want an abortion in some states, look at your fucking baby on the computer screen there and come back tomorrow and tell me you want to kill that kid.
01:27:05.000Contest or award show, tournament, something going on.
01:27:11.000Like at the same time as my show, or maybe my show was starting and it was letting out, but there was this, I was driving up to theaters, long crowd of people coming to my show who looked like, dressed like anywhere else, normal.
01:27:26.000And then on the other side of the street, going the other way, Yeah.
01:27:47.000Electorally, the divide, Trump does super well among people who never left the town they were born in, rural people, people out in the sticks, and does terrible in the cities and now much more increasingly in the suburbs.
01:28:06.000The suburbs, last time in 2016, there was a lot of people in the suburbs who don't follow politics that closely, and they just said, boy, things suck in America.
01:30:53.000It was World War II and they couldn't raise wages because that was the law, so they had to find a way to give employers something else, so they gave them health insurance.
01:31:12.000If you're going to tell me the government, and I'm a Democrat, but if you're going to tell me the government is going to smoothly handle taking over something that large, I am going to be a little skeptical.
01:31:25.000There's no evidence they smoothly handle anything other than maybe delivering the news or delivering the mail.
01:31:31.000Look, again, as an old-school progressive, when you go down the list of things that the progressives have accomplished, especially in my lifetime, I cheer them all.
01:31:40.000Social Security, well, that wasn't my lifetime, but they improved it in my lifetime.
01:31:44.000Medicare, Medicaid, these are great programs.
01:31:48.000I mean, before Social Security, the senior poverty rate was like in the 28% or something, and then it went down below 10. It was a success.
01:31:57.000But when you look at what the government really, what their big successes have amounted to, it's passing out money that very often they don't have.
01:32:09.000Running a giant healthcare system, especially when the politicians who are proposing these systems will not, A, talk enough about, we've got to cap the gouging.
01:32:20.000You can't pass out all this money if you're going to allow people, hospitals, pharmaceutical companies to charge anything they want, when the price of an EpiPen can go up from $12 to $1,200 overnight.
01:32:37.000And also, they don't ask the people to lift a finger to take care of their own health.
01:32:43.000Nobody's health care system is going to work unless people have some skin in the game.
01:32:50.000You can't not tell the people, look, you can't keep eating as much as you want and as shitty a food as you want and expect us to cover the bill.
01:34:36.000We have to somehow reverse this idea that we have in this country, not just about obesity, but about a lot of things, where I'm perfect the way I am.
01:34:57.000You're protecting people's emotions, but shielding them from a possible moment that might make them realize that they are eating themselves to death.
01:35:19.000And when we get apoplectic when there's 50 deaths from shootings or something a month, yeah, it's very bad and we should be serious about that problem.
01:36:17.000He literally lost an opportunity to save lives, because as someone who does struggle with weight, He could have taken the opposite approach and said, you know, Bill makes a really good point.
01:36:30.000And we should look at how we are dealing with this.
01:36:35.000I noticed Jillian Michaels, the fitness expert.
01:38:15.000About your weight problem, I should eat and get fat, too.
01:38:19.000Well, when heavy people have someone that they're a fan of that's also heavy, like James Corden, so he's heavy, he's got people in the audience that love him, and they love him standing up for other heavy people.
01:39:19.000I guess that's bad now because, again, you have to be perfect the way you are and if you criticize that, then you're a bad person.
01:39:26.000My take on this is just that there's too many voices that you hear because of social media.
01:39:31.000You hear so many nonsense voices and they stand out just like everybody else's voice.
01:39:35.000There's so many people just screaming into the void because there's so many social media accounts.
01:39:39.000There's so many people that are tweeting about things and Facebooking about things and it gets people confused as if this is like a rational perspective.
01:39:46.000And again, with these echo chambers, they're all just hop on board and support James Corden or support, you know, Adele needs to fatten back up and you'll get thousands of likes.
01:39:59.000That is what I didn't understand until about a year ago, that so many people are saying things on social media, not because they really believe it.
01:40:12.000We had a billboard once when we were coming back on the air in January, just like now, about four or five years ago, and the tagline was, he's not in it for the likes.
01:40:22.000And it's my favorite piece of promotion that anyone has ever done for me.
01:43:26.000And then there's a bunch of them liking that response and then a bunch of people piling on.
01:43:30.000First of all, they don't even know you're a real human.
01:43:33.000A lot of people have never met anyone famous.
01:43:37.000And a lot of them are 15. I always say that if I had a Twitter account when I was 15, I would have said horrible shit to famous people just to get a rise.
01:43:46.000Just to see if I can get them to react.
01:43:48.000It's not even things that they necessarily mean.
01:47:21.000You know, she gets on a plane and tweets that she thinks something is funny, and then by the time the plane lands, her life's over.
01:47:27.000By the way, Family Guy did a hysterical version of that, where Brian, the dog, goes...
01:47:33.000He tweets something going into a theater and it's semi-racist.
01:47:38.000And then by the time he comes out of the movie, his life is destroyed.
01:47:42.000The Twitter mob is literally a mob outside his house.
01:47:46.000We're not designed for permanence like that.
01:47:48.000To be able to just express yourself loosely.
01:47:50.000It's like if you're going to write something in a book and publish that book and you're going to carefully consider every word and then you put that book out and you go, okay, we've gone over it, we've edited it.
01:47:58.000It's a different thing than fuck this guy.
01:48:00.000So what do you think should go on with Louis C.K.? You mentioned him.
01:48:06.000I know more about it than most people because I've talked to Louis about it.
01:48:11.000But what happened versus what's being portrayed is what happened.
01:48:16.000There's a lot of stuff that's just not true.
01:48:50.000With some of the Me Too stuff, and of course, I think like every right-thinking person, it was a great thing that happened, that men have been put on notice that you're playing with five fouls, and you just can't get away with a lot of the shit you use.
01:49:06.000Particularly men in positions of power in the office play.
01:49:09.000I mean, I think let's also extend it to the fracking industry and McDonald's and every other place in America where probably it's very prevalent.
01:49:54.000That time in Aspen, he was with the third wife or something, and I seem to remember.
01:50:01.000But he's being sued for giving people AIDS. I mean, there's just this litany of things that are way worse than whacking off in front of people, which is not cool either, of course.
01:50:15.000But Louis did apologize and own up to it, and I just think, where is the consistency?
01:52:54.000But we're not talking about someone who assaulted people.
01:52:57.000You can't just change the definitions of the word because it makes you feel better about hating someone.
01:53:02.000Now, I also read, but I don't know if it's true, if his management, I think, threatened women who were going to talk about this or prevented someone's career from moving because of this.
01:53:16.000If that happened, that to me is almost worse.