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00:02:09.000Because I always like the feeling of live because if you fuck up, it's out there.
00:02:11.000No, there was companies that were taking clips as we were live and uploading them immediately and building these huge channels with hundreds of thousands of subscribers.
00:03:08.000The internet in general, at one point in time, if you went to YouTube, you would find all kinds of shit that was on people's channels that was copyright-protected stuff.
00:03:21.000TV shows, movies, music, all kinds of stuff.
00:03:25.000And they've slowly started, you know, not really slowly.
00:03:43.000If you had a giant screen in front of you, and you saw all the videos that are being instantly uploaded to YouTube at any given moment, you'd probably be like, what?
00:08:38.000I don't mind it because the more people you know that die, as you get older and they start dying, not just from unnatural causes, but natural causes, you're like, fuck, I guess.
00:08:47.000Whenever people die now, as much as it's sad, I'm always like, okay, that's one more person I lasted longer than.
00:08:52.000And it's not that I'm happy to see them go.
00:09:16.000Like, if you told 18-year-old Jimmy Norton that he would be complaining about this, I would have spit on myself.
00:09:21.000Well, it's like what we were talking about before the show, that there was these people on a show, and they weren't making as much as the lead guy who was this famous guy, and they were really pissed off at him and complaining, and then they eventually fucked the guy over, and the show got canceled.
00:09:59.000Everybody's getting a Lamborghini or a gold chain that's bigger than the other guy's gold chain or a bigger house or bigger this or bigger that.
00:10:05.000And the next thing you know, you're broke.
00:10:09.000And it's just this, it's all relative.
00:10:12.000Like, even though you've got things great, you don't have it as great as that guy over there.
00:10:16.000So comparatively, you feel like a loser.
00:10:19.000But you gotta know where you're at, too.
00:10:20.000Getting fired from me, when we got kicked off Opie and Anthony in 2002, best thing that ever happened to me.
00:10:26.000Because it showed me that it could all be taken away from you.
00:10:28.000So long before this whole culture of just cancel culture and all this shit happened, I had had that moment of life is good and then you're out.
00:11:42.000But, you know, I'm glad it happened now in hindsight.
00:11:44.000Well, you know, in a lot of ways, there's this thing that people do.
00:11:48.000You know, we were talking about Ari before the podcast, where you do things you're not supposed to do, so people go, I can't believe you're doing that.
00:11:59.000And then there's this, like, thrill to that.
00:12:01.000There's a thrill to it and then what happens is you have to keep upping it.
00:12:07.000And it's almost like you get a fear, like if I don't top last time, the people who like me are no longer going to like me and I'm going to lose this momentum I've picked up.
00:12:16.000You become afraid that the people who like you are going to go, you're a fraud.
00:12:20.000You're not doing what we want you to do.
00:12:22.000So then you keep topping yourself and keep topping yourself.
00:13:05.000I would love to have him on to our radio show because I miss Pat from Wunaki a lot.
00:13:10.000Dude, that day where he did the Baby Bird, the day where they had the eggnog drink contest, it was you and me and Burr and Ari and there was a couple other people in the studio as well.
00:13:21.000That was one of my most fun times ever on the radio.
00:16:42.000Whereas ONA, you would go in there and Anthony would have a gun and fucking, you know, Opie's behind the mixer just sort of watching all this chaos go on, different comics come filtering in and, you know, remember the time Marion Barry walked in?
00:16:56.000Yeah, he was going on Sway next door, and he was a little out of it and loopy, and we just hijacked him.
00:17:04.000And he kind of walked in like he had no idea who we were.
00:18:51.000Yeah, I think she said the N-word, but she said she said Nakers, but I think she said the N-word.
00:18:57.000I think it just, it's almost like it's so taboo that it's in people's heads.
00:19:02.000Like on Martin Luther King's birthday, there's always an anchor that gets fired because he can't remember that Martin Luther King Jr. are all separate words and you should not conflate the last two or you're going to get fucking fired.
00:19:15.000King and Jr., they put it together too fast and it comes out wrong.
00:19:39.000I definitely heard it, but it was from old dudes.
00:19:41.000It was like an old dude thing, like guys in their fucking 60s and shit.
00:19:45.000But I had a friend who has severe anxiety issues.
00:19:51.000He has panic attacks, and he eventually had to quit doing stand-up.
00:19:55.000So he was doing the warm-up for the Bill Cosby show, okay?
00:20:03.000He is doing the thing and talking to people in the crowd, and Bill Cosby's obviously super squeaky clean show, and the warm-up has to be squeaky clean, and while he's walking around the crowd, he has this unstoppable thought in his head, don't say the N-word.
00:24:16.000I want to say I was 17 or 18 and we used to get drunk in my friend's house and there was some number that you could call for help from nuns.
00:24:26.000So I would have my friends sitting around and I would always call up and pretend that I would make up these horrible incest stories and terrible sexual things that were happening to me and my fucking friends would be laughing and the nuns would be trying to counsel me on the phone.
00:24:40.000I did it a couple of times and it didn't work.
00:24:42.000And the third time I did it, the final time I did it, they actually had people leave the school and go outside while they searched the school.
00:25:42.000And you start changing it a little bit with a little bit of booze, a little bit of booze, a little bit of anxiety, a little bit of depression, a little bit of bad things, a little bit of this, a little bit of that.
00:25:50.000I'll take a little Xanax, take the edge off.
00:25:52.000Then I'll take a Valium so I can go to sleep.
00:25:53.000Then I'll take an Ambien if the Valium doesn't work.
00:25:56.000And you keep going and going and going and going.
00:25:58.000You know how there's certain things you can do that can give you arthritis, right?
00:26:02.000There's certain things that corrode your joints.
00:26:04.000There's certain things you can do that make you tired.
00:26:06.000The more chemicals you insert into your body, the more things you do, the more you shift.
00:31:10.000I many times drive back to that area, because it's in Edison, and I'll drive back when I'm doing the Stress Factory or a gig, and I'll drive through that neighborhood, and I'll be like, what the fuck happened here?
00:31:21.000Something happened here, and it might not just be one moment, but something happened here that kind of shifted me, because I don't know exactly what it is.
00:31:33.000Well, at the very least, you were sexually involved with someone else who might have been molested.
00:31:38.000Yeah, I mean, the odds are it had to be one of them.
00:31:41.000That was another thing that came up in this article that I was saying that the origins of homosexuality, that's one of the things they were saying that I was homophobic because the origins of homosexuality is them, people being molested when they're younger.
00:32:15.000When you're sexually active, like if someone's sexual with you when you're young, and that person happens to be a man, you can imprint, and you can develop sexual feelings in response to that.
00:32:29.000Triggers sexual feelings towards men where you might not be inclined so like even if you're not actually Homosexual you're still turned on by men in a certain way because you were molested It's one of the reasons why they say but they don't really know why people who get molested wind up molesting people but it's really common It's like you know somebody described it best like it's almost like a vampire bites you and this thing like you're passing it on to the next person this this creepy thing But that,
00:33:00.000you know, this is another thing where people took out of context, saying that, you know, I'm homophobic.
00:33:05.000Well, for me, it was all kids in my age group that I remember.
00:33:07.000I have vague adult memories, but not anything concrete that I can say was sexually.
00:35:41.000And the anal, I don't know where that comes from.
00:35:42.000I wonder if that's just because of a position where somebody's on their stomach and the person behind them or the creature behind them is just like, your ass is easier.
00:36:15.000Well, it's, you know, if someone's trans and they don't want to transition and they don't want to have a vagina, they just want to keep their penis, then there's not a whole lot of options.
00:36:28.000Oh yeah, you fuck them or they fuck you.
00:37:03.000You know, I think people are gentler with it now.
00:37:05.000That's one thing I think the younger generation is a little smarter with, is that they don't just judge you for it and people can kind of be comfortable being who they are.
00:37:12.000Because the people, I mean, I'm sure trans people existed, but you just, you didn't know what to call it.
00:37:17.000I didn't know what it was when I first saw it or encountered it.
00:39:11.000We're a culture that likes to scold each other because you have to be comfortable talking about it and realizing, hey, you might not say this word right.
00:39:41.000When people go around beating people up, the reason why they go around beating people up is because they're afraid someone's going to do it to them.
00:39:56.000When you see online bullying or people ganging up on people online, I guarantee you every one of those people that's doing that is terrified that it's going to come back to them.
00:40:05.000And they're just throwing rocks and hoping no rocks come back their way.
00:40:13.000If you're not a part of it, you could be the one that they're doing it to.
00:40:16.000And I've chosen, particularly over the last few years, when I've recognized there's a difference between my reach and my influence and other people's.
00:40:25.000I don't retweet things that people say that are mean to me and say, why don't you eat shit, fuckface, or, you know, like, oh, what a cute person you are.
00:40:34.000And then millions and millions of people would see that, and then this person would go into a fucking panic attack and look at their Twitter and their feed and their phone's blowing up.
00:42:02.000He goes, I would be walking down the street and I just had to check my phone constantly because to see how do people respond to my text or my tweet.
00:42:09.000How do people respond to attacking some senator?
00:42:50.000When you're 51 and you've come through the environment to stand up for 30 years, it's a little easier to have a thicker skin sometimes, too.
00:42:57.000Whereas somebody who is 19 or 20, who has been raised in this psychotic, fake, polite culture, because it's not polite.
00:43:14.000And, you know, you also understand what it is that's causing people to behave the way they're behaving, whereas a 19-year-old just thinks they're terrible and they need to die.
00:44:06.000But the disconnect, the emotional and the social disconnect, the lack of social cues between two people when you're just communicating online, that's not good for us.
00:44:16.000We're not supposed to communicate like that.
00:44:20.000It's kind of dangerous to a lot of people because it gives you this false sense of, you know, like you're not saying something that's going to hurt someone.
00:44:31.000If you were in front of that person, you wouldn't want them to cry, but you want them to cry if you're not there.
00:44:38.000Like you want to say the most vicious, mean shit when they're not there.
00:44:49.000When someone says dumb shit, and people do say dumb shit, and then there are times when people are justifiably mad at you.
00:44:56.000Like, hey, look, you said something really stupid publicly, so people heard that in the middle of their grief, and they're like, hey, fuck you, pal.
00:46:34.000Well, the trap is also when you, if there's something you don't want to say, or if you're like, nah, that's too fucked up to say, but if I don't say it, they're going to think that I'm selling out or I'm not the same performer.
00:46:45.000You have to be willing to disappoint people that want to hear that, too, if you're going to survive in doing that stuff.
00:46:53.000Yeah, I don't know what's going to happen with Ari, like how he's going to get through this, but in some ways, I never want to say it's a good thing that he did that, but he needed to know that there are consequences for just saying ridiculous shit that you're not supposed to say when people die.
00:47:14.000The really fucked up thing about Ari is he's a really good guy, but In his persona sometimes, he's a heel.
00:48:46.000Look, also, Ari is legitimately insane.
00:48:48.000He's definitely got layers of insanity that he battles with.
00:48:52.000He does, and it's funny, when I hosted Down and Dirty with Jim Norton, and there was a bunch of comedians on, Ari was one of the comedians I had on, and at the end of his set, he took his dick out!
00:49:02.000He fucking pulled his pants down and took his dick out on HBO and they were furious and no one knew he was going to do it.
00:49:08.000And I had to go out and shake his hand with his fucking pants around his ankles and he waved at the crowd.
00:49:12.000And I don't even remember if that made the final cut.
00:49:15.000But that's 2008. So you know somebody who has a reputation of just doing completely crazy shit.
00:49:21.000It doesn't surprise me when the person does something that is crazy.
00:49:26.000No, he's always gotten a certain amount of attention for doing...
00:50:45.000I'm like, that is the most hilarious thing to say.
00:50:47.000He was actually mad that he was going places and people wanted to take pictures with him.
00:50:51.000No, but is it really that he didn't like it or is it like sometimes you get afraid of it because then you taste it and you're afraid it's going to go away?
00:51:36.000Yeah, you almost have to humanize yourself and discuss what happened because it's very hard to explain that to people because then they're like, yeah, there's dumb friends that are defending him.
00:52:16.000You know, there's something that compels you to want to be on stage in front of all those fucking people, talking every night, telling jokes, doing it on a podcast, doing it on the radio.
00:52:28.000It's a real weird personality that causes people to do things like that.
00:52:33.000And you're around people who are doing it, and who are doing it really well, and then you see them getting more and more successful, and then there's like, you know, you don't want to watch everybody pass you by either.
00:52:42.000So you're like, oh, this thing works for me.
00:54:22.000I was just terrified, and I wanted to get laughs.
00:54:25.000Once I started doing pretty good and I would work professionally and I was getting some gigs and stuff, then I started doing stuff that I thought was funny.
00:54:34.000And I remember being so happy with that because I'd be like, instead of being so scared of just being out there and, God, I gotta get a laugh, gotta get a laugh, gotta get a laugh.
00:54:58.000I'm like, oh, okay, finally I'm doing stuff that other people, that I like, like people that appreciate things that I appreciate would think are funny.
00:55:07.000Then, once I got better at that, and I became like a real, like a headliner and established, then I started turning ideas into comedy.
00:57:30.000It's a very high-end silverware place, and I worked in a packing...
00:57:33.000I would be shipping and receiving, so I would write these on the back of fragile stickers, all these jokes, and yeah, I have all that shit.
00:57:43.000Dude, he's one of the best comics in the world.
00:57:46.000He's one of those guys, I'm working with him actually tonight at the improv, but he's one of those guys, when he's on stage, I'm like, how the fuck do people not know who he is?
00:58:52.000Back in those days, the only time I came up with good bits was literally either talking to my friends and laughing, usually when we were drinking, or on stage.
00:59:01.000Occasionally on stage, I would come up with an idea, and then I would foster it or feed it and try to make it grow.
00:59:07.000But going over that fucking material was so painfully embarrassing.
01:04:06.000Like, I enjoyed doing Preston and Steve and, you know, doing K-Rock and, you know, Kevin and Bean and doing all these different radio shows.
01:04:38.000I couldn't wait to be on air with you guys because you could be what you were if you were hanging out at the store.
01:04:46.000If we're hanging out in the back bar of the comedy store and everybody's just talking shit and laughing, that's what it was like on Opie and Anthony.
01:04:52.000There was no other environment where you could just be comics being comics, just hanging out.
01:04:59.000Yeah, going back and forth, being mean to each other.
01:05:14.000But he was also, Rich is so fast, too, that Voss was a guy that you could hit him, you could hit him, but as soon as you turn around, when he hits you back, it was a fucking killer line.
01:05:26.000And Voss is really, really, Bobby is great at that.
01:05:29.000You'd walk into the comedy cellar and they're laughing before you get there.
01:05:34.000And you're like, oh, it's going to be a long fucking night.
01:08:46.000I mean, I still do them, but when you're driving in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, where they're two and a half hours over the hills to get to the gig, and it was like...
01:08:54.000Panic-stricken because I'm afraid I'm going to hit black ice.
01:08:57.000I remember I was so bad at driving that I had to park my car and call my girlfriend to come and pick me up at her sports car.
01:09:03.000It was such a humiliating moment as a man to have to pull over and go, I can't drive on the ice.
01:09:09.000And my girlfriend had to come and pick me up.
01:11:16.000Well, you know, this is what I was trying to explain to someone once that when, you know, a woman, actually, when you are an 18-year-old boy, you are a drug addict, okay?
01:12:16.000Yeah, I mean, it's definitely a 50-50 pull, I would say.
01:12:20.000But a lot of times, it's not even the sex.
01:12:22.000I remember being a teenager, and I would pick up, I would go out and get a hooker, and then afterwards, my favorite part would be talking to her on the way back.
01:12:31.000Like, I really, I think a lot of it was I misidentified being lonely with wanting sex.
01:12:35.000Like, there was times I was horny, but there was times where I would come, or I wouldn't be able to come, and I would just jerk off, and I'd be like, no, I can't come.
01:12:42.000But then I would just sit, like, let's talk for a little while.
01:14:15.000But they put that out there so it was out there no matter what like it hit the press it hit this guy And so he had to sort of like deal with this even though he's like this fucking guys worth billions of dollars, which is thousands of millions for us Just think of owning thousands of millions of dollars still couldn't keep the shame of getting jerked off It's like a 69,
01:14:38.00070-year-old man or something like that.
01:14:40.000They're coming back at him with something else now, too.
01:14:43.000Yeah, there's something else that just got talked about.
01:14:45.000Again, I don't know exactly what the prosecutor's throwing at him, but sometimes a prosecutor, I think, sees something that, hey, we can get a lot of mileage on this.
01:14:54.000And because nothing happened to Kraft the first time, I think they're coming back at him with something updated.
01:15:01.000Well, I also think that this is what...
01:15:03.000I've said this about law enforcement, too.
01:16:01.000Kim Kardashian has gotten some, fuck, I think it was like, the latest count was like 18 people released who were unjustly accused of crimes.
01:18:50.000I'm on Netflix with the degenerates, and part of it is I'm talking about suicide and hanging, and I reference his, and I get one part of it wrong because I thought he was in jail for killing...
01:19:00.000I didn't realize he didn't get convicted of killing those first two people.
01:20:01.000And I think there are a lot of people out there like that.
01:20:05.000There's a lot of people out there that are playing pro football, fighters, anybody involved in extreme contact sports that have extreme CTE. It scares the fuck out of me, man.
01:22:15.000And then I was with my daughter, my 11-year-old, and we were getting on the fucking ski lift, and I spazzed, and I got a little too far ahead, like when the ski lift comes, and then I tried to go back because I was in the wrong place.
01:22:31.000I moved to, you know, like I should have waited for the next one to come, and then I didn't, and then I fell down, and then I couldn't get back up.
01:25:50.000Do you spiral like when you like you decide you fucked up?
01:25:54.000Do you start spiraling like hate spiral?
01:25:56.000It's crazy how I I I don't do it as badly anymore cuz I've caught myself So many but that takes me to a very dangerous place like it's taking me to a really bad place So I like I try not to do that Because the next thing you know, you're walking around the house fucking putting a belt around your neck,
01:26:13.000just kind of testing, not tying it, but just holding it and just seeing what it feels like to have a belt.
01:26:29.000I'm just saying it's some things like anyone who's ever gone through with it and done that, like Robin and fucking Bourdain, I would love to sit with those guys and just...
01:26:39.000Like, I guarantee that was the 508th time you did that.
01:26:43.000Not necessarily tried it, but that put it there.
01:27:45.000He had all kinds of different medications that they had tried on him and all sorts of different issues, but he would go off the reservation sometime.
01:28:48.000Because you can't be that, again, maybe there's exceptions to the rule, but you cannot be a depressed person and dealing with that all the time and not have dry run it.
01:28:58.000I mean, I don't think anybody ever puts a gun in their mouth and shoots themselves the first time.
01:29:03.000I'm sure it's something you've walked through a bunch of times and just couldn't make yourself do it.
01:31:03.000That's why I wish he survived to podcasting.
01:31:06.000I wish he survived to realize how much we, other comics, appreciated him.
01:31:13.000I tell this story, but I'll tell it again.
01:31:15.000Eastside Comedy Club in Long Island in the late 80s, early 90s, he did Friday and Saturday, two shows Friday, two shows Saturday, four different hours.
01:31:32.000We're here pawing off the same shitty 40 minutes, you know, just trying to pretend that we're a headliner, and this guy just murked four different hours.
01:32:08.000The early days of fighting, when the UFC had just started, and Henzo Gracie fought Oleg Taktarov, and Richie's brother was the play-by-play commentator.
01:32:19.000Yeah, like he did the John Anik, Mike Goldberg role.
01:33:10.000We flew in there on a propeller plane.
01:33:12.000The gig was supposed to be in Buffalo, New York, but New York State banned it at the last minute.
01:33:17.000So Bob Meyerowitz, who was the owner of the company, and Campbell McLaren, who was the guy who hired me, they told me, you're going down to Alabama instead.
01:33:25.000So I flew in to one part of Alabama and then took a puddle jumper.
01:33:31.000And landed in Dothan and that was like the place where they were allowed to do the show there and it was this little auditorium it wasn't very big at all and the first show I ever worked at Mark the Hammer Coleman beat Dan Severn for the UFC heavyweight title UFC 12 Vitor Belfort made his debut and I was actually training at Vitor school I was a white belt Carlson Gracie's in 97. And I had been there since 96. I started
01:34:01.000training there in 96. And then in 97, Vitor was making his UFC debut.
01:34:06.000And just by sheer luck, I happened to be at the actual gym with Carlos Barreto and Mario Sperry and all these just assassins back then.
01:34:15.000And I got to be the post-fight interview guy.
01:35:19.000I started in 88, and the last time I fought was 89. So that was probably somewhere in the neighborhood of eight years since my serious competition days.
01:35:40.000It wasn't affecting my career in a good way.
01:35:42.000In fact, the people that were, I was on news radio at the time, and the people that were the producers were like, what the fuck are you doing?
01:37:00.000Because I love it so much, and I love just, I'm a fan, so I just, I love the fact that I just get to talk to the fighters and hang with Matt.
01:39:00.000Guys were, you know, you're trying to kill each other, but you knew that if they got you in an arm bar, that they were not going to try to break your arm.
01:39:06.000They were going to hold it and, you know, give you an opportunity to try to get out of it if you could, or tap.
01:39:12.000And no one was going to, like, just fucking yank it.
01:39:47.000I mean, I always said, like, if you were fighting in a street against a judo player, and you had a winter coat on, oh my god, you're so fucked.
01:41:22.000He was coming off a loss, and I wanted to see what it felt like.
01:41:25.000I knew it wouldn't be the same, but I had seen arm bars, and I wanted to know what does it feel like when somebody grabs your arm that way.
01:45:25.000I'm hired as a comedian who loves UFC. Matt is the guy who can play-by-play call, who can analyze jujitsu so beautifully, and that's not what I do.
01:47:04.000But that he's, you know, got this situation where he's never going to really be able to come back to the United States unless they, you know, work out some sort of a deal.
01:47:14.000And even then, he's not going to believe them.
01:47:16.000You know, I mean, I wouldn't believe them.
01:47:54.000When the New York Times had that thing where they were talking about all the different reported UFO sightings that are reputable from people like David Fravor and these Air Force guys.
01:48:07.000That are like otherwise rock-solid individuals who talk about their experiences.
01:48:12.000But my problem with it, my legitimate problem with me as a human being is I want it to be real.
01:48:17.000So when people don't think it's real, like, oh, that's all bullshit.
01:48:36.000Like, talking to Bob Lazar, like, God, I hope he's telling the truth.
01:48:41.000I'm sure this was a theory, because it's no way to be proven, but I saw someone online postulate that the uptick in alien stuff could be, like, us coming from the future.
01:48:53.000That the idea is that what the grays are.
01:48:57.000And this is something I've personally thought...
01:49:00.000I think independently was that if you look at human beings and you look at say a gorilla, right?
01:49:05.000You look at a gorilla was this big hairy fucking animal thing and then you slowly turn that into you know, I guess we didn't really come from gorillas we came from chimps but Chimps You know, monkeys, lower hominids, Australopithecus, you know, and then,
01:50:31.000I mean, that guy, you could comb his chest hair.
01:50:33.000We were talking about aliens, and I was saying, if you look at people like that, like real hairy, fucking testosterone-filled savages, like this guy was an elite wrestler.
01:51:11.000If we evolve past the need for physical strength, if we evolve past the need for, you know, sex, if sex is, we don't reproduce any longer through just normal biological male-female sex.
01:51:26.000If they've, you know, who knows, a million years from now, a hundred thousand years from now, we might decide that one of the biggest problems that faces human beings on earth is our emotions, Our desire for sex, biology, all of our animal instincts that we still hold onto.
01:52:02.000They're not as animalistic and explosive.
01:52:06.000And if it continues along that path, especially aided by technology when we don't have any need, especially if we have these big ass giant brains and we can use telepathy to communicate, we can communicate through some other way, maybe even electronically enhanced, maybe,
01:53:27.000Shakes your hand, like grips it with his carbon fiber hand.
01:53:29.000And, you know, right now you can tell the difference between his carbon fiber hand, this electronic hand, and his other hand.
01:53:37.000But maybe a hundred years from now you won't be able to.
01:53:40.000And maybe in the future it's better to have one of these artificial bodies than it is to have a biological body that can break and get all fucked up and you feel pain.
01:54:01.000Yeah, we did this Australian benefit with Jim Jeffries and Monty Franklin and Whitney Cummings the other night for the Australian wildfire for wildlife relief.
01:54:12.000They lost a billion animals in that fire.
01:57:04.000To me, that says he's not being truthful.
01:57:07.000Well, the MIT thing, I'll tell you this.
01:57:09.000He told me that they sent him from Los Alamos Labs to there to work on something, and I'll tell you what it is off air, but I told him I wouldn't talk about it during the podcast because you're going to hear, when I tell you, you're going to go, holy fuck, and it'll make a little more sense.
01:57:44.000I'm like, whenever a pilot sees something, that Tic Tac video, but now that there's something that they're saying that's making me go, that might be man-made, because they're saying something about, if we were to reveal this, it would compromise national security.
01:57:57.000If they could reveal all the files they have on these UFO incidents, it would compromise national security, first of all, because it'll compromise their...
01:58:05.000If they reveal how they know that something is blocking radar, that object, whatever it was, was actively jamming radar.
01:58:12.000I had Commander Fravor, the guy who filmed that thing, the guy who was there and who reported that thing.
01:58:41.000They don't know if it did it in less than a second or if it did it in one second, but whatever it was, the amount of distance that it traveled is impossible with the laws of physics as we understand them.
01:59:00.000You can see the thing on video move off.
01:59:02.000You can see that it's actively jamming radar.
01:59:04.000You can see that they're trying to track it and stay with it, but it's moving too fast.
01:59:09.000See, there's something they said recently that made me think, oh, that might be man-made.
01:59:12.000And I forget, it was something to do with compromising national security.
01:59:15.000Whatever the quote was, I was like, that sounds like something that's man-made, and they're worried they'll compromise something that they've created.
01:59:21.000I know what you're saying, but here's the thing.
01:59:34.000It's something that moves at an insane speed that we're not capable of understanding in terms of what the average person who understands propulsion and engines and combustion.
02:00:17.000He wanted to tell his story because he felt like they're not being honest about it, and that people...
02:00:22.000We really should know that there's some things that we don't understand and that these guys that are down in San Diego that were at this Air Force base, they were seeing these things fairly recently before his experience.
02:00:34.000They had seen one in the last couple weeks, I think it was.
02:00:37.000And then they find them on the East Coast, too.
02:01:11.000When I listened to him, my first thought was, after these things that don't line up, oh, he took somebody's story.
02:01:18.000What he's saying is somehow true, but he's telling somebody else's story.
02:01:22.000And that may be a total lie, but that's just what my head told me, was because he knows so much, and yet, how do they make your education disappear?
02:02:11.000And that's one of the reasons why they sent him to this Area S4, because he put a jet engine in a Honda in the 1980s.
02:02:18.000And, you know, the guy's a fucking super genius.
02:02:21.000And so when he did this, they were like, well, this guy has a very intense understanding of combustion engines and propulsion and all these different things that he's creating.
02:02:30.000And so they're like, let's see if this guy can crack this crazy nut.
02:06:38.000If you tell a story 40 years ago and then I ask you again today to tell me that same story, Most bullshitters are going to have some holes in that story and change it.
02:06:48.000It doesn't mean he's telling the truth, but he's been insanely consistent.
02:06:52.000I would almost think, too, that a lot of times truth tellers have things change.
02:06:55.000That's why eyewitness testimony is so unreliable, because even a truth teller will make mistakes over time.
02:07:01.000If it's a story that I've created, I think I'm less likely to forget details if I've created it because I have a beginning, middle, and end to it.
02:07:08.000Right, but it's very complicated what he's saying.
02:07:11.000What he's saying is very complicated in the descriptions of them, descriptions of these crafts and the way the propulsion system works and the fact that it uses this incredibly dense element that doesn't even exist on Earth in, you know, 1989 or whatever it was, but now they've found actually is a real thing.
02:07:28.000Like, that element 115, that was, people were saying that's science fiction, you're making things up.
02:07:33.000But now that they have created it in particle accelerators, they're like, oh, Okay, this is a real thing.
02:07:39.000Now, what if there's a planet that has a completely different atmosphere, completely different relationship with its star and element 115 is common?
02:07:46.000Like, they find things in asteroids all the time that are very, very rare on Earth, but very common in space.
02:07:54.000It's one of the ways that they know whether or not we've been impacted.
02:07:57.000Like, one of the ways they know that the Yucatan was hit with this gigantic asteroid that killed the dinosaurs 65 million years ago is a layer of iridium at 65 million years.
02:08:07.000Iridium is very, very rare on Earth, but very common in space.
02:08:12.000And this layer of it, this dense layer at 65 million years ago, shows that that's when it was hit.
02:08:19.000That this giant chunk of space rock slammed into the Earth and killed everything.
02:08:58.000And then Jeremy Corbell's documentary really flipped the switch with me.
02:09:02.000I was like, God, Damn it, is this real?
02:09:03.000And then getting to know Jeremy and talking to him and then getting to know Bob, having dinner with Bob and then getting Bob to come here and sit down.
02:09:12.000It was very hard to get him to come in.
02:09:50.000And they had done some tests, and there's a video of it with George Knapp, where they've got fog.
02:09:56.000They're using some sort of a fog machine, and they're showing how this gives off a certain field that makes it almost impossible to grab and touch, and this fog is rejected by this field.
02:10:09.000And what they're saying about that element is, and I'm going to butcher this, I don't really understand the science, but...
02:10:16.000This gravity intensifier, this gravity multiplier, whatever the fuck it is, gravity projection thing, with that 115, it distorts gravity.
02:10:24.000And that's how these things are able to move through these insane speeds.
02:10:32.000That it's like, if you had a real cushy mattress, a real soft mattress, and you put a massive bowling ball in the center of the mattress, everything would just go zoom and bend around the bowling ball.
02:10:44.000Well, that's what Element 115, with that craft and that propulsion system, does to space-time.
02:12:37.000Hey, guy who works at the Hayden Planetarium, we're going to give you secrets, and we definitely want to make sure you don't tell them to people on the Opie and Anthony show.
02:15:15.000Yeah, you get to, I mean, people say, oh, you get to do what you love, but I think about the shit I complain about, and it's luxury problems.
02:15:20.000They're problems because I'm doing the job I want to do.
02:15:52.000When he split his fucking mouth open, that guy is a fucking tank.
02:15:57.000And what was more impressive than anything to me in that fight was not that he knocked him out with the last 10 seconds to go, but that he absorbed all the shots that Alistair hit him with.
02:16:06.000And he kept pressing forward, almost like he was invulnerable to him.
02:16:09.000I never saw anybody do that to Alistair.
02:16:25.000So I think this is the first time Ngannou has ever fought a guy who is a real world-class kickboxer, who is also his size naturally, and is also a vicious knockout puncher.
02:16:41.000If I was in Rosenstreich's corner, what I would be concentrating on is leg kicks in particular because Junior Dos Santos, even though Ngannou starched him in the first round, Ngannou starches almost everybody, but Junior was able to get off a lot of leg kicks early in the round and was able to at least affect him in some way.
02:17:01.000I was like, oh, okay, this could be an issue of a real good kickboxer.
02:17:06.000Now, we didn't see Rosenstreich use that sort of strategy against Alistair.
02:17:12.000He was really looking to put hands on Alistair.
02:17:15.000He threw some kicks, but really, I think if he adjusts with Ngannou and tries to move away from the big shots and chop the legs, he's a better kickboxer.
02:17:26.000He's got real experience with Muay Thai.
02:17:30.000He's also a ruthless knockout striker, and he has a crazy chin.
02:19:10.000It's got, you know, Quintet, Eddie Bravo's, Combat Jiu Jitsu's on that, a bunch of different Muay Thai organizations on that, all the UFC's.
02:22:05.000It's a sport where you're literally risking your life.
02:22:08.000Knock on wood, we've been very lucky in the UFC. We haven't had any loss of life, but it's 100% possible, and it definitely has happened in other organizations, and it happens in boxing every year.
02:22:18.000And if it happened in the UFC, it would be horrendous.
02:22:21.000And if it happened at Cowboy, if Cowboy died in the hospital that night, and believe me, that's possible.
02:22:28.000Cowboy had a broken orbital bone, and he had a broken nose, and he got beaten down by one of the biggest punchers in that division.
02:22:39.000In 155 pounds, really, but the way Conor cracked him, like, Conor, like, I don't care who you are.
02:23:12.000Jose Aldo, who was one of the greatest fighters that's ever done it, and at the time was the greatest featherweight of all time, Conor flatlined him in 14 seconds with one punch.
02:23:23.000That doesn't mean that Jose Aldo didn't show up or Jose Aldo quit.
02:23:27.000It means Conor has a fucking brick for a fist and he throws it perfect.
02:25:18.000There's only two guys in the sport that are world champions, destroyers at that level who are undefeated.
02:25:26.000One of them's Jon Jones, the other one's Khabib.
02:25:28.000No one else is like that, where they just smash everybody.
02:25:31.000Jon Jones has one bullshit loss where the referee decided that the elbows were illegal, and the referee was doing his job But it's nonsense.
02:25:44.000I wonder if that, in a way, too, that loss was years ago.
02:25:46.000I wonder if that, because so many guys are undefeated, and all of a sudden they lose one, and then they lose a couple.
02:25:53.000You wonder sometimes if an early loss like that takes the pressure of being undefeated.
02:25:56.000Like, you know you've never been beaten, but you still have that 1L, so there's not that whole thing on your back, like, I can't lose, I can't lose, I can't get that 1L. Well, John almost lost his last fight.
02:26:07.000I want to see that Santos rematch more than I want to see Jones fight anybody.
02:30:13.000You can see it when he gets a hold of guys.
02:30:14.000He's the GOAT. He's the greatest light heavyweight of all time, and maybe the greatest fighter of all time.
02:30:20.000The only guys that are close, in my mind, it's Mighty Mouse is one of them, Fedor is another one, but I think John has had better competition.
02:30:28.000I think John's had the best competition.
02:31:01.000When he punched Alistair over him, and Alistair over him was literally looking at the back of his heels, his head snapped back so far he could see his feet.
02:32:24.000And also, I think Stipe was probably still a little hurt from that Francis Ngannou fight.
02:32:31.000Because Francis Ngannou and him went to war for five rounds, and particularly in the first two rounds, Francis hit Stipe with some fucking bombs.
02:32:40.000Stipe weathered the storm, but it might have made him more susceptible to being knocked out.
02:32:45.000Because of a couple of those shots he took.
02:34:45.000And I think, honestly, he should have already been the champion.
02:34:48.000I think he beat Robert Whittaker in the second fight.
02:34:51.000My feeling is that he hurt him more, he was more effective, and there was two rounds that easily could have been 10-8 rounds where he had Robert Whittaker fucking staggered.
02:35:00.000And if that was the case, he would have won the title.
02:39:14.000That was John's first fight back after a while.
02:39:16.000He had taken that layoff and that was his first fight back after a suspension or he had been gone for a while and no one thought that OSP was going to go the distance.
02:39:24.000Didn't they go five and he got the decision?
02:39:56.000Listen, if Dan Mergliata and Dan did his job, because Dan's supposed to be the guy that calls the fight, right?
02:40:01.000I think he should have called the fight, but Dan is supposed to be the guy that calls the fight, not the fighter.
02:40:06.000So when Dominic, play that again, when Dominic K-Os him, all he had to do was follow up with a couple of strikes, and then the fucking show's over.
02:40:39.000And then the referee's waiting for him to follow up.
02:40:41.000So if he just jumped on him there and followed up instead of walking with his hands up, the buzzer may have gone off somewhere around then.
02:40:49.000I don't know when the buzzer went off.
02:40:51.000Yeah, it was like 20 seconds, 21 seconds when he hit him.
02:40:53.000Yeah, but Dan Mergley, see if we can get some volume on that.
02:42:11.000Like, if I trained, then I would have beat that guy.
02:42:13.000But he was still beating people, even though he wasn't training hard.
02:42:16.000And then he started ramping it up and actually training hard.
02:42:18.000And when he almost lost everything, you know, when he got arrested and all that shit that happened to him, and he almost lost his career, then when it came back, he had much more of a sense of urgency because he realized, like, what a gift it really was.
02:43:30.000He's a believer in himself, and that belief in himself has led him to stop guys like Chris Weidman, to knock out OSP with one second to go.
02:44:19.000But I don't think that's what he gets scared of.
02:44:23.000I think Jon needs someone like a Dominic Reyes, a real threat, so that you see who he was in the second fight with Daniel Cormier when he head-kicked DC and knocked him out.
02:44:31.000The second fight with Gustafson when he smashed him.
02:47:21.000I think Tony Ferguson is a nightmare for anybody, especially right now.
02:47:25.000When you watch his fight with Anthony Pettis, when you watch how he busted up Donald Cerrone, I think Tony Ferguson is the scariest guy for anybody at 155 pounds to fight.
02:51:14.000But it's also, you know, just hard personally.
02:51:17.000Not hard in the moment, but hard on you after it's over.
02:51:20.000It's like, you know, when you're watching someone fight that shouldn't be fighting anymore, whether it's someone you're close to, like I was close with Brendan, or whether it's, you know, there's fighters that, you know, fight towards the end of their career, like BJ Penn, some of his last fights.
02:54:22.000Yeah, it's gotta be hard too when you're fat and your whole thing is like, I'm a big fat guy and there's so much material built around it and it's who you are.
02:54:30.000It's gotta be scary to lose the weight.
03:01:56.000Fucking ran through him, Kane, and Junior, so I can't ever pick against Ngannou again until he loses again.
03:02:00.000Well, he's better now than he's ever been before, and I think the loss to Stipe ultimately, I know he's struggled a little bit in the Derrick Lewis fight, but I think the loss to Stipe ultimately has made him a better fighter.
03:02:11.000He just understands what it's like to lose.
03:02:13.000He understands what it's like to face the best heavyweight on record ever in Stipe.
03:02:18.000You know, he went five rounds with the GOAT. Stipe's the GOAT. Yeah, he is.
03:02:22.000He's defended the title more than anybody that's ever done it in the history of the heavyweight division.
03:02:27.000And having that kind of experience against a guy like Stipe, I think is fucking hugely valuable.
03:03:05.000Yeah, it was amazing to see because I had known him before when he was drinking and smoking and was fat and out of shape and taking statins because of his high blood pressure.
03:03:41.000And I think a lot of people that have addictive personalities, and he certainly did, they can benefit from something that you're addicted to that's really good.
03:03:48.000Remember you saying that your mom used to say that to you?
03:03:50.000You know, replace it with something better.