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00:03:34.000If you're a fucking, if you're a Secret Service guy and you're supposed to be protecting the president, I guarantee you, a bunch of those guys are savages.
00:03:40.000I think they're smart enough to use guns.
00:05:51.000Yeah, and so Eddie would come over the house, and Frank would just decide that he runs shit when Eddie's around, because Eddie was so scared of him.
00:05:57.000He'd be like, hmm, I think I'm gonna kill this cat.
00:05:59.000So he just tried to kill my cat, and I got a hold of him in time, and I got my hand into his collar, and I choked him unconscious.
00:06:18.000Yeah, I wasn't thinking from the back, I was thinking from the front.
00:06:22.000Anywhere you can grab a dog collar, if you get your hand in there, if you're strong enough and you have good technique, you know how to go knee on belly, and then you twist it.
00:08:05.000Slowly, without me understanding what was happening, why it was happening, which makes it weirder and weirder.
00:08:10.000And with it has come increasingly stronger levels of responsibility.
00:08:17.000To where, you know, now I have to actually vet guests and think about what they're saying, whereas before I would have someone on if they're crazy, I was like, let that crazy motherfucker on, let's hear what he has to say.
00:08:26.000And people would say a lot of crazy shit, and then they would say, oh, you know, you didn't push back, or you had this person on, and they said something irresponsible, and I had no idea what they were going to say.
00:08:37.000There's a lot of people that have said some pretty outrageous things that I had no idea they were going to say.
00:09:04.000It was certainly irresponsible on my part, the first podcast.
00:09:08.000Because my take on it was, I just want to see what it's like to be a guy that starts this thing and it becomes probably one of the most important conversation tools the world has ever known.
00:09:21.000And also along the way, it becomes something weird.
00:09:42.000The confusing thing to me about your conversation with Jack, which I didn't look at the internet before I listened to it, and I really enjoyed it.
00:10:29.000So the pushback that people get, it's almost like they're taking specific anecdotal pieces of evidence.
00:10:37.000Or look, this person said this and it's...
00:10:41.000It's not that problematic in our eyes, but they somehow got censored from the platform, removed from the platform.
00:10:47.000And they don't look at the bigger picture of how challenging the entirety of it is and how incredible...
00:10:53.000First of all, how incredible the platform is to have a conversation, like a global conversation like this, and how hard it is to do to achieve the goal of having...
00:11:02.000It sounds like cheesy, but having a healthy conversation, a healthy discourse.
00:11:09.000You want an algorithm and a platform that removes the assholes from the scene because it's a really difficult challenge because one person who's really loud, who's screaming in the room, comes to the party.
00:11:24.000You have a cool party, a bunch of cool people, some communists, some right-wingers, whatever.
00:11:32.000They're there to have an interesting debate, conversation, and so on.
00:11:36.000And then there's somebody that comes and just starts screaming one slogan or something like that.
00:11:43.000Or is trolling, is completely non-genuine in their way of communication.
00:11:48.000They're destroying the nature of the conversation.
00:11:51.000And then, of course, that person, if they get, you know, the bodyguards come in and say, can you please leave the party, sir?
00:11:58.000Then they get extremely, that's exactly the kind of personality that's extremely upset.
00:12:03.000And sometimes they almost look for that.
00:12:05.000So what are you supposed to do as Jack Dorsey, as a leader of that kind of platform?
00:12:10.000It's a very good question and I really think that there's no real answer.
00:12:14.000It's one of the reasons why it's so frustrating.
00:12:16.000You know, if you just let people say whatever they want whenever they want to, there's gonna be a lot of people that get turned off to that kind of a platform because you're gonna have a lot of people yelling out racial slurs, ethnic slurs,
00:12:32.000gender slurs, homophobic slurs, There's going to be a bunch of people that are trolling.
00:12:38.000There's going to be a bunch of people that just say things to rile people up and that's all they do.
00:12:42.000There's going to be a bunch of people that just want to shit stir and they want to dox people.
00:12:56.000It's you're managing at scale and you're managing an insane amount of people.
00:13:01.000But then there's legitimate criticism that they lean towards progressive people and liberal people and they have woke politics.
00:13:12.000Like, for instance, you can get banned from Twitter.
00:13:15.000For life if you dead name someone so Lex if you became a Female and you change your name to Ally and I just said fuck you man, you're Lex Banned for life.
00:13:27.000That's what a dead name That's dead naming like if you wanted to call Caitlyn Jenner if you want to call Caitlyn Jenner Bruce on Twitter You would get dead named or you would be dead naming her and you would get banned for life a woman named Megan Murphy Who is a TERF? Do you know the TERF is?
00:14:16.000They think that they are a different thing.
00:14:19.000That there's women and women's issues and these feminists that have been female their whole life dealing with women's issues do not want trans people coming in and in many cases what you find is that trans people come in and then the conversation changes and it becomes about trans issues and they want these conversations to be about women's issues in feminist movements.
00:14:42.000She got banned from Twitter for life for saying a man is never a woman.
00:14:48.000They made her take the tweet down, so she took a screenshot of it, took it down, and then put the screenshot back up, and then they banned it for life.
00:14:58.000No, she shouldn't, because biologically she's correct.
00:15:01.000If there's an argument there, if there's an argument, a scientific argument, a man is never a woman, but can a man identify as a woman, and should you respect him I'm not too deep into thinking about these specific issues,
00:15:21.000but the question is whether you should get banned for being an asshole or you should get banned for lying.
00:15:34.000You can insult people on Twitter as long as you're not specific about their gender.
00:15:38.000The insult thing, that's where it gets, it's the party thing.
00:15:41.000If you have the asshole douchebag, whatever term you want to use, they show up to the party.
00:15:46.000And then if a person shows up to the party and a lot of people leave because they're annoying or whatever, that should be, like we should do something to discourage that behavior.
00:15:58.000However, let's paint a different picture of a party.
00:16:01.000Let's have a party where everyone says, my pronouns are they, them, and zzer, and javu, and then you come in, you go, come on, bro, you're a guy.
00:16:13.000And like, no, no, no, I'm a they, you fucking cisgendered, heteronormative piece of shit.
00:16:19.000And then they want to kick you out of the party.
00:17:37.000Yes, and I'm a dirty comedian, and I make fun of everything, including sacred cows, like gender, homosexuality, heterosexuality, my own kids, my wife, my mom, everybody.
00:17:50.000And if you take that stuff out of context and just publish a bunch of it, it makes you look like a moron, or it makes you look like an asshole.
00:17:59.000That's, you know, what is the left, right?
00:19:26.000There's nothing wrong with being conservative, right?
00:19:28.000There's nothing wrong with valuing hard work.
00:19:30.000There's nothing wrong with someone who values fiscal frugality or someone who is, you know, you have a conservative view on economics or on social policies.
00:19:43.000You know, and you want less government.
00:19:45.000There's nothing wrong with those things either.
00:20:08.000Instead of just shut them out, that's the problem with this idea of kicking people out of the party.
00:20:13.000You kick people out of the party, guys like Daryl Davis never get to convert them.
00:20:17.000There's been people from Twitter that have been converted.
00:20:20.000You know, Megan Phelps is a famous one.
00:20:22.000She was a part of the Westboro Baptist Church.
00:20:24.000Her grandfather was Fred Phelps, that fucking famous crazy asshole who was like super rude, like who, you know, would make them...
00:20:33.000Take those signs that say God hates fags and literally go to soldiers' funerals and say that soldiers died because God is angry that people are homosexual.
00:20:45.000So Megan was completely entrenched in this toxic ideology.
00:20:51.000And Twitter allowed her to escape that.
00:21:22.000And for her, she just, I mean, by whatever, for whatever grace of the grand universe plan, she had enough open-mindedness to take into consideration some of these other things that people were saying.
00:22:57.000That's the focus I have in the academic setting of science.
00:23:02.000That's the inspiration of your podcast that you gave me, is to talk outside the people that are sort of conventionally accepted by the scientific community.
00:23:15.000So you have the same thing in machine learning and artificial intelligence.
00:23:18.000There's people that are working on specific, it's called deep learning, these learning methodologies that are accepted.
00:23:25.000There's conferences and we all kind of accept the problems we're working on and there's people a little bit on the fringes.
00:23:30.000There's people in neuroscience, actually anybody thinking about working on what's called artificial general intelligence is already on the fringes.
00:23:39.000If you even raise the question, okay, so how do we build human level intelligence?
00:23:44.000That's a little bit of a taboo subject.
00:23:46.000The consciousness is called the C word for a while.
00:26:15.000But I think you having her on is great.
00:26:18.000It's exploring, you know… She's one of the young minds exploring sort of the role of the United States, the foreign policy in the world, militarily, in terms of trade and so on.
00:26:29.000So she has an excellent mind who I don't think is on the fringe.
00:26:33.000I don't think she's on the fringe either.
00:26:35.000Bernie Sanders for many people still is on the fringe.
00:27:16.000But he had this segment called Brunch with Bernie.
00:27:20.000And he would invite Bernie Sanders like every Friday or something like that.
00:27:24.000And just sort of the intellectual honesty and curiosity that Bernie exhibited was just fascinating.
00:27:31.000Sort of like, as opposed to being a political thing that just repeats the same message over and over, which actually what it kind of sounds like when you listen to him now publicly, he's actually a thinking individual and somebody who's open and changing his mind, but within that has just completely been consistent.
00:27:50.000What people are terrified of is that he's going to raise taxes on successful people and ruin business.
00:27:57.000That's what people are worried about, that in doing that, it will crash the economy.
00:28:27.000The idea is he wants people to earn a living wage.
00:28:30.000He wants people to not be indebted with a tremendous amount of student loan debt when you're just 21 years old and getting out of college.
00:28:39.000He thinks it's insane, and I agree with him.
00:28:40.000He doesn't want people to be burdened in this insane way if you ever get sick, and I agree with him.
00:28:47.000He wants to improve the healthcare system.
00:28:48.000I think as a community, if we're looking at the United States as a community, one of the things that, you know, look, it's great to support business.
00:28:58.000It's great to give business the confidence to take chances, and a lot of people think Donald Trump does that.
00:29:04.000It's also great to take care of our own and I don't think we do that enough.
00:29:09.000I don't think we take care of our own enough in terms of we have the same problems in the same inner cities that we've had for decade after decade after decade and there's no significant attempt to change that but meanwhile we do these nation-building projects in other countries and we have the interventionalist foreign policy where we go and invade these countries and try to prop up new New governments and try to support them and we spend insane amounts of money doing that and along the while we don't do
00:29:39.000anything to our inner cities that are the exact same fucked up places that they were in the 70s and in the 60s.
00:29:58.000His experience was, first of all, he found a piece of paper that showed a crime docket from the 1970s, all the stuff like drugs, crime, robbery.
00:30:12.000It was all the same issues in the same neighborhoods that he was patrolling in today.
00:30:20.000And he realized like, oh, this is a quagmire.
00:30:23.000And then he found out about the laws that were in place from way back in the day where you literally, if you were an African American, you couldn't buy a home in certain areas.
00:31:27.000That's the main thing is like people say democratic socialist and so on is going to...
00:31:31.000He's going to make a slight move into whatever direction he's trying to advocate, which in this case is more investment into the infrastructure and so on into our at home.
00:31:41.000But like, you know, he's just one human being.
00:31:44.000There has to be a Congress that represents the people.
00:31:47.000And if there's anything, I think Congress is probably the most hated entity in all of the universe.
00:31:52.000Like you look at all the polls of what people like and hate.
00:31:55.000Like rats are above in terms of favorability ratings.
00:31:59.000So Congress is really the broken system.
00:32:02.000Bernie won't be able to do much, except take a little...
00:32:05.000The role of the president, as I see it, is to...
00:32:09.000One, the terrifying one, is to start wars.
00:32:12.000And so it's a very serious responsibility you have to take.
00:32:16.000And the second is to inspire the population.
00:32:18.000In terms of executive power of enacting laws, there's not much power.
00:32:25.000What our current president is doing, sort of...
00:32:29.000Inspiring, in that case, the Republicans in Congress to sort of work together to work on certain legislations.
00:32:37.000So you can inspire the Congress and you can inspire the people, but you don't have actual direct power.
00:32:42.000So Bernie is not going to turn America into a socialist He's going to take a small step into maybe focusing on one aspect, like healthcare or something like that,
00:32:57.000like President Obama did, and try to make a little change.
00:33:01.000So in that sense, people that are genuine and have ideas, like Andrew Yang is another one.
00:33:31.000Well, I disagree with him on his evaluation of the state of artificial intelligence and automation in terms of its capabilities and having an impact on the economy.
00:33:42.000You don't think it's going to be as much of a deal as he thinks it is?
00:33:45.000On the time scale that he thinks it is.
00:33:47.000But I also want to be careful sort of commenting on that because I think for him it's a tool to describe the concerns, the suffering that people go through in terms of losing their job, like the pain that people are feeling throughout the country.
00:34:04.000It's like a mechanism he uses to talk to people about the future.
00:34:08.000You know, there are people that are well off, like the different tech companies that should also contribute to investing in our community.
00:34:15.000I mean, the specifics, I want to kind of sit back and relax a little bit.
00:34:20.000It's like when you watch a sci-fi movie and the details are all really bad.
00:34:24.000I want to just suspension a disbelief or whatever and just enjoy the movie.
00:34:29.000In the same way, the stuff he says about AI, he's not very knowledgeable about AI and automation.
00:34:34.000So it touches me a little bit the wrong way.
00:34:40.000The transformative effects of artificial intelligence in terms of replacing humans in trucking, autonomous vehicles, something I know a couple of things about, is not going to be as...
00:35:02.000And UBI, nevertheless, the universal basic income or some kind of support structure of that kind, nevertheless, could be a very good idea for people that lose their job, for people to be mobile in terms of going from one type of job to another type of job,
00:35:18.000so continually learning throughout their life.
00:35:20.000It's just that artificial intelligence, in this case, I don't think will be the enemy.
00:35:25.000There could be other things that are a little bit sort of neighbors of artificial intelligence, which is sort of the software world eating up some of the mechanization of factors and so on.
00:35:41.000The kind of way that Tesla and Elon Musk are approaching the design and engineering of vehicles that are a little bit more software-centric will change, will sort of move some of the job from Detroit, Michigan in terms of cars.
00:37:00.000So in terms of, I think, the nice role of a president is to have ideas, like the Purple Belt one, to inspire people and inspire Congress to implement some of those ideas and be open-minded and not take yourself seriously enough to think that you know all the right answers.
00:38:55.000He doesn't know clearly as much as you know about automation and artificial intelligence.
00:39:00.000But do you think that it's possible that, you know, I think he's looking at a timeline, I think he was thinking within the next 10 years, millions and millions of jobs are going to be replaced.
00:39:09.000Do you think that it's more like 20 years or 30 years?
00:39:23.000There will be certain key revolutions.
00:39:26.000And those revolutions, it's an incorrect word to use, but they will be stretched out over time.
00:39:32.000I think the autonomous vehicle revolution is something – To achieve a scale of millions of vehicles that are fully autonomously navigating our streets, I think is 20, 30 years away.
00:39:57.000It'll be expanding their efforts slowly.
00:39:59.000They're doing also way more trucks, autonomous trucking.
00:40:02.000They're already deploying them in Texas, I think.
00:40:04.000And then, of course, Tesla, who's this year going to approach a million vehicles, and they're trying to achieve full self-driving capability.
00:43:29.000In fact, there's a lot of people, including myself, think we're quite a few years away, but also on the podcast, just like you, got a chance to talk to Elon Musk, meet him, talk to him in person, and realize that there's people in this world that can make the impossible happen.
00:43:49.000Tell me, what's that experience like for you?
00:43:55.000So, you know, it's quite incredible in the sense that he is a legit engineer and designer, which is like a pleasure for me.
00:44:03.000I've talked to a few CEOs, talked to Eric Schmidt, just CEOs, and they're a little bit more business oriented.
00:44:09.000Elon is really, really focused on the first principles to the physics level of the problems that are being solved, whether that's SpaceX with the fundamentals of reusable rockets and going into deep space and colonizing Mars,
00:44:26.000whether that's in Neuralink, getting to the core, the fundamentals of what it's like to have a computer communicate with the human brain.
00:44:33.000And with Tesla, on the battery side, sort of saying...
00:44:37.000He threw away a lot of the conventional thinking about what's required to build, first of all, an appealing electric car, but also one that has a long range.
00:44:48.000That's something I don't know as much about.
00:44:52.000I mean, he boldly said, from scratch, we can build a system ourselves in a matter of months, now a couple of years, that's able to drive autonomously.
00:45:03.000I mean, most people would laugh at that idea.
00:45:05.000Most roboticists that know from the DARPA challenge days, most of them know how hard this problem is.
00:45:11.000He said, no, no, no, we're not only going to throw away LIDAR, which is this laser-based sensor, we're going to say cameras only, and we're going to use deep learning, machine learning, which is a learning-based system.
00:45:23.000So it's a system that learns from scratch, and we're going to teach it to drive.
00:45:50.000What you find out when you start to think about most problems from first principles is that it's not actually impossible.
00:45:57.000And then you have to think, okay, so how do we make it happen?
00:45:59.000How do we create an infrastructure that allows you to learn from huge amounts of data?
00:46:05.000So one of the most revolutionary things that Tesla is doing and hopefully other car companies will be doing is the over-the-air software updates.
00:46:13.000Just like the update that you got, the fact that just like on your phone you can get updates over time It means you can have a learning system, a machine learning based system that can learn and then deploy the thing it learned over time and do that weekly.
00:46:27.000That sounds like maybe trivial, but nobody else is doing it and it's completely revolutionary.
00:46:34.000So cars, once you buy them, they don't learn.
00:46:54.000So the hardware in your car, I don't know when you got the Tesla, but it should be hardware version 2. But that hardware performs what's called inference.
00:47:06.000So it's already trained, it's already learned its thing, and it's just taking in the raw sensory input and making decisions.
00:47:17.000Now they're building what they're calling, again, he's such a troll, but they're calling Dojo is the name of the specialized hardware for training the neural networks or training the models.
00:47:32.000What training is, is the learning side of it.
00:47:34.000So they're building their own like supercomputer.
00:47:36.000Google has a TPU to improve the training.
00:47:43.000It's the same thing as the more general NVIDIA has graphics processing unit GPUs that all the nerds, all the people like me have been using for machine learning to train neural networks.
00:47:55.000It's what most gamers use to play video games, right?
00:47:58.000But they have this nice quality that you can train huge neural networks on them.
00:48:03.000TPU is a specialized hardware for training neural networks.
00:48:10.000GPUs allow you to play video games and train neural networks.
00:48:13.000TPUs clean some stuff up to make it more efficient, energy efficient, more efficient for the kinds of computation neural networks need.
00:49:39.000It'll be a friendly environment with free snacks.
00:49:42.000It's like you're going to work the hardest you've ever worked on, whether you agree with him or not, on the most important problems of your life.
00:49:52.000I like that kind of thinking because it emphasizes the hard work.
00:49:57.000The other part In terms of meeting him in person, I don't know if you got to interact with that off, because when he was on mic with you, he was very kind of...
00:50:36.000No, I mean, the thing that's really interesting is he's gone...
00:50:40.000If you look at his biography, like the kind of stress he's been under in terms of he's been at the brink of losing his companies several times.
00:51:33.000And then establish everything and then sit back.
00:51:35.000But the problem with a lot of guys like him is, first of all, it's very difficult to find a replacement for the way he thinks, right?
00:51:42.000So if he's a CEO of these companies and he's the one who's the mastermind behind all these things and then he wants to step back, finding a commensurate replacement is insanely difficult.
00:51:54.000Because most people who would be Yeah, and there's not many people like him.
00:52:14.000I joke around about it, but I think there's a spectrum of evolution.
00:52:22.000And his mind is clearly way more advanced than my mind.
00:52:26.000There's something going on in his mind in terms of his attraction to engineering issues, solutions to global problems, solutions to traffic problems, pollution problems, all the things that he's...
00:52:42.000I mean, he's trying to give the world Internet.
00:52:45.000I mean, he's got all these things going simultaneously.
00:52:47.000And one of the things that I got out of him when I was talking to him...
00:52:50.000Was that he almost has a hard time containing these ideas that are just pouring out of his head like a raging river like he's trying to catch handfuls of water and this raging river of ideas is going through his head You know and when he described his childhood that he thought that everybody was like that and then as he got older you know thought he was insane and Yeah.
00:53:54.000Now, the thing is, most people, so a lot of people love Elon Musk, but there's quite a large community of people that don't love him so much.
00:54:59.000Like with all people like that, like with Steve Jobs and with Elon Musk, when he dies, people will always, you'll remember the greatness, right?
00:55:11.000It's just sad that you can't celebrate that currently.
00:55:13.000But I do think there's one particular aspect of his personality that I also share that pisses people off really bad, which is, like you said, he had a plan, but he's late on that plan.
00:55:25.000He keeps promising things and he keeps being like a year or two or three late.
00:55:30.000And that really, I don't know if it actually angers people or if people that already don't like you use that as a thing to say why they don't like you, but it's certainly a thing that people say a lot.
00:55:43.000But I think that's an essential element of doing extremely difficult things is over-promising and trying to over-deliver.
00:56:40.000And so you trying to say you're an expert in investing in the stock market, I blocked, I removed those people from my life because they don't say any interesting ideas.
00:56:52.000But, you know, when you're doing legitimate investment, yes, that's a really important service to society.
00:57:00.000But if you're commenting on the fundamentals of engineering problems that real engineers are trying to solve, that's not interesting to me.
00:57:08.000So that kind of stuff upsets, I think, financial folks.
00:57:13.000But the beautiful thing is when you have people buy vaporware And you bring that vaporware to reality.
00:58:14.000It's a testament to the education system in this country.
00:58:17.000Well, on that tiny little tangent, I've gotten, I joked about Flat Earth and Space is Fake a little bit, almost like saying that's an interesting way to being open-minded.
00:58:27.000And then I realized that's not something to joke about.
00:58:31.000That there is a community of people that take it extremely seriously.
00:58:34.000And then some of them thank me for acknowledging that the possibility of Oh.
01:00:35.000Because even though there is a lot of misinformation in it and there's a lot of, you know, falsehoods, There's a lot of really good information as well, particularly about historical figures and interesting stuff.
01:00:46.000If you want to find facts on things, it's great research.
01:02:08.000I've been obsessed about World War II and World War I, but you're converting me to both the warrior cultures and the suffering in that world.
01:02:51.000Just the stories of people, the illnesses and the deaths, how many people's children died, malnourishment, starvation, abuse, and then just how much they hated where they were living and how they were living.
01:03:30.000It's hard to imagine that this tribe from 100 years prior, in the 1820s, We're living wild and free and we're, you know, we're living the same way they've lived for hundreds of years and had this incredible relationship with the land and these incredible religion that they practiced where they worship the earth and the animals and the sky and they had all these concepts
01:04:01.000for the way you should live your life and how to Guarantee prosperity and how to guarantee success.
01:05:33.000I mean, they essentially rode with the buffalo, killed buffalo, hunted buffalo, and then raided other tribes.
01:05:39.000And then until the white man came, and then they started raiding the white man and killing the white man.
01:05:43.000But they were, you know, at war with white people for hundreds of years.
01:05:49.000I mean, they were the reason why the West was hard to settle.
01:05:53.000I mean, the sneaky shit, I don't know if you've gotten to the point where they were giving people these big swaths of land in Oklahoma, and they essentially set them up to be killed by the Comanche.
01:08:19.000But I think that if you had real jiu-jitsu skills...
01:08:24.000You know, what you know now today, particularly because jiu-jitsu has evolved so much.
01:08:29.000I mean, even the jiu-jitsu of 2020 is so radically different from the jiu-jitsu of, you know, 1990. It's radically different, like almost unrecognizable in a lot of ways.
01:08:40.000Clearly, though, the basics are still the most important, and they're some of the greats of all time who just operate with the basics, whether it's Harder Gracie or Hicks and Gracie.
01:08:52.000There's a lot of great, great jiu-jitsu players that just have those solid basics that are just honed to a razor-sharp edge.
01:09:09.000And when I say basic, it is a compliment.
01:09:12.000I mean, arm bars, triangles, guillotines, renegade chokes, those types of things, but perfected to a level that is, they don't participate in a lot of the more modern, there's a lot of crafty, weird stuff that a lot of guys try today.
01:09:30.000And some of the greats, even the greats that participate in jiu-jitsu matches today and are effective at it, don't really have that kind of style.
01:09:39.000Yeah, I mean, but Krohn actually has some more creativity.
01:09:43.000If you look at Roger Gracie, that's like...
01:09:55.000And he demolishes the greatest black belts in the world slowly by just, like in a half-asleep way, taking them down, passing their guard, going to mount and doing a choke.
01:10:36.000I got off that diet for this weekend, because I did the month, and then once Saturday came around, I ate Italian food, I had Girl Scout cookies, pasta, and then yesterday I went to Disneyland.
01:10:49.000So yesterday I went way, way off the diet and I had ice cream and I ate all kinds of shitty food and I was getting back pains and knee pains and all these kind of weird pains that went away when I was on the diet.
01:11:04.000Now, this is not a testament against plant-based diets, because I was eating shit, shitty food, and pasta, which is a lot of bread.
01:11:23.000But it's interesting to have this great month where basically two weeks in after the diarrhea died off, I had two solid weeks of no aches and pains and feeling great.
01:11:47.000All those weird aches come right back.
01:11:50.000Well, the nice thing about the Joe Rogan effect is that you're trying this diet and you're talking about keto a lot, that's become more socially acceptable to do.
01:11:59.000Because I've been eating keto or low carb for many years and doing fasting, like 24, 48 hour fasts.
01:12:06.000And I always kind of keep it more in the low down.
01:19:04.000Why are you always judging me kind of thing, right?
01:19:06.000Like, you realize the thing, the aspects of the interaction, which are problematic, and you want to sort of highlight them.
01:19:13.000I'm just sort of noticing it, which is problematic when you're in a working environment, especially sort of deliberating, discussing with other engineers how to solve a problem.
01:19:24.000I'm more likely, especially, you know, lead a team to say that somebody is a little bit full of shit.
01:19:31.000When I'm fasting, as opposed to being a little bit more kind and eloquent about expressing why they're full of shit.
01:19:38.000I found myself feeling more aggressive and more inclined to use recreational insults.
01:20:38.000Yeah, which is awesome because this comedian culture is now at full-on war with the cancel culture.
01:20:43.000And it's like two armies of people who don't give a damn and people who give way too much of a damn.
01:20:50.000Well, I have mixed feelings about all that stuff.
01:20:53.000But I ultimately feel like the direction it's moving in, the reason why it's happening is for good.
01:20:59.000I think there's a lot of people that are complaining about things and they're trying to cancel people and all that stuff.
01:21:04.000And it's, you know, ultimately, some of it's misguided.
01:21:07.000But I think the ideas behind it, like the primary push, like the gravity behind it, is people want less racism, less discrimination, less of a lot of things.
01:21:24.000But then along the way you have Hypocritical human behavior that gets involved in this and you have people that are, you know, deeply flawed themselves but pointing out minor flaws in other people and then they get exposed and they feel horrible.
01:21:37.000For every person who participates in this cancel culture, it's like… The wave is coming back at you.
01:23:08.000Like, it's one of the things that ButcherBox does very well, is they make sure that they have relationships with ranchers who have a commitment to ethically raised animals and ethically killed animals.
01:23:19.000And what that means is, you know, they don't participate in anything that has anything to do with factory farming, no antibiotics, no added hormones ever.
01:23:58.000And I think if they could, I mean, we need more transparency for sure when it comes to that stuff.
01:24:05.000And that's one of the reasons why those ag gag laws, agricultural gag laws where people, there's laws that prevent people from working in these factory farming situations to expose.
01:24:15.000There's laws that prohibit them from exposing the horrors of these environments.
01:26:18.000I'm very cognizant of it that I kind of don't allow my brain to think much about this whole space because I love meat and I'm trying to save money.
01:27:44.000It's very difficult to express thoughts, like Sam Harris struggles with this too, to express thoughts with the kind of humor and eloquence that they are in your brain, like to convert them.
01:27:58.000As a comedian, you're essentially a storyteller.
01:28:02.000So you probably don't even know how you did it.
01:28:08.000You've probably developed this art of storytelling, of being able to laugh and make other people laugh, of bouncing back and forth.
01:28:15.000To me, most of my life has been spent behind a book or computer, thinking interesting thoughts, but not connecting with other people and doing that dance of conversation.
01:29:15.000You don't take yourself too seriously.
01:29:18.000Even with your celebrity, with the popularity of the podcast, that's a huge thing.
01:29:21.000And with Chomsky, what was really surprising to me is while he's pretty stubborn on his ideas and so on, people criticize him, he's so stubborn in his ways, he didn't take himself too seriously.
01:29:31.000I sat there, I'm just some kid talking to him.
01:29:55.000You know, because academics can be like really any other...
01:30:00.000Endeavor, any other discipline, you can get lazy, right?
01:30:04.000You see that in almost every walk of life.
01:30:07.000There's certain people that rest on their laurels.
01:30:09.000And especially when you become popular, you get really good at explaining.
01:30:14.000So you get like, you do these talks, you do these lectures, you start saying the same thing over and over, and you forget to listen.
01:30:22.000Because of this podcast, the Artificial Intelligence podcast, but also Joe Rogan, two different groups of fans whom I both love, people come up to me and start a conversation, and I love it, just listening to them.
01:33:07.000You can see through the silliness that there's an intelligent, first of all, a good human being there, but also an intelligent human being.
01:33:12.000But at the same time, he's like the butt of every joke.
01:34:27.000For people who don't know, there's a YouTube channel where people...
01:34:30.000I think it's a single YouTube channel that does visual effects, like fake humanoid or robot dog robots that kind of resemble something like Boston Dynamics.
01:35:48.000Like, it actually is on purpose trying to look like a human for the comedic internet effect, like a human that's getting pissed off and so on.
01:37:22.000And what I realized is my own brain sort of anthropomorphizing.
01:37:25.000The same way you're, like, looking at these robots and you're thinking, these things are terrifying...
01:37:31.000In 10, 20 years, where are we going to be?
01:37:35.000That's our brain playing tricks on us.
01:37:37.000Because the key thing that's a threat to humanity or an exciting possibility for humanity is the intelligence of the robots, the brains, the mind.
01:37:46.000And these robots have very, very little intelligence.
01:37:49.000So in terms of being able to perceive and understand the world, very importantly, very importantly, to learn about the world.
01:37:59.000So the terrifying thing is, you talked often like with this philosophical kind of notion that Sam Harris talks about, sort of exponential improvement, be able to become human level intelligence, superhuman level intelligence, in a matter of days become more intelligent than that.
01:38:22.000There's an idea of, you know, Big Bang is a funny word for one of the most fundamental ideas in the nature of our universe.
01:38:31.000Same way, self-play is a term for, I think, one of the most important powerful ideas in artificial intelligence that people are currently working on.
01:38:42.000So self-play, I don't know if you're familiar with a company called DeepMind and OpenAI, so Google DeepMind, and a game.
01:38:49.000I know you're a first-person shooter guy, but StarCraft and Dota 2. So last year, these are, what do you call them, real-time strategy, I guess, in people who won millions of dollars in e-sport competitions.
01:39:03.000And so OpenAI separately had OpenAI 5, which took on Dota 2. Dota 2 is the computer game based on Warcraft 3. That's the most popular esport game.
01:39:16.000And then DeepMind took on StarCraft with their AlphaStar system.
01:39:20.000And the key amazing thing is they're similar to AlphaGo and AlphaZero that learn to play Go.
01:39:27.000That's the exciting mechanism that I think if you can figure out how to have an impact on more serious problems than games would be transformative.
01:39:38.000It's learning from scratch in a competitive environment.
01:39:41.000Thinking of you have two white belts training against each other and trying to figure out how to beat each other without ever having black belt supervision and structures and slowly getting better that way, inventing new moves that way.
01:39:59.000Eventually, they get better and better by that competitive process.
01:40:04.000That's the machine playing itself without human supervision.
01:40:43.000One person training with one person specifically and singularly, you're not going to develop the type of game that you need to become a real black belt in Jiu Jitsu.
01:41:18.000What you find is Jiu-Jitsu might be simpler than the general problem of different kinds of StarCrafts and so on.
01:41:27.000But there is sets of strategies in this giant space.
01:41:32.000There are these complex hierarchical strategies, like high-level strategies and then specifics of different moves that emerge, some of which you didn't even realize existed.
01:41:42.000And that requires that you start with the huge amounts of random initial states, like the fat person, the skinny person, the aggressive person, and so on.
01:41:50.000And then you also keep injecting randomness in the system, so you discover new ideas.
01:41:56.000So even when you reach purple belt, you don't continue with those same people.
01:42:02.000You start expanding to totally random new ideas and expanding in this way.
01:42:06.000And what you find out is there's totally surprising to human beings, like in the game of chess or in the game of Go, in the game of Starcraft.
01:42:14.000This self-play mechanism can do what sort of AI people have dreamed of, which is be creative.
01:42:21.000Create totally new behaviors, totally new strategies that are surprising to human experts.
01:42:26.000That's why Go was so astounding to them, right?
01:42:45.000I'm not good enough at chess or go to understand the newness of them, but grandmasters talk about the way Alpha Zero plays chess, and they say there's a lot of brilliant, interesting ideas there.
01:43:08.000But AlphaZero and AlphaStar and OpenAI5, these systems are all fundamentally self-play, meaning no human supervision, starting from scratch.
01:43:24.000So learning from scratch, that's exceptionally powerful.
01:43:28.000That's a process from zero, you can get to superhuman level intelligence in a particular task in a matter of days.
01:43:38.000That's super powerful, super exciting, super terrifying if that's kind of what you think about.
01:43:44.000The challenge is we don't know how to do that in the physical space, in the space of robots.
01:43:50.000There's something fundamentally different about being able to perceive, to understand this environment, to do common sense reasoning.
01:43:58.000The thing we really take for granted is our ability to reason about the physics of the world, about the fact that things weigh things, that you can stack things on top of each other, the fact that some things are hard, some things are soft, some things are painful when you touch them.
01:44:13.000All that like there seems to be a giant Wikipedia inside our brain of like common sense dumb logic that's very tough to build up.
01:44:23.000It seems to be an exceptionally difficult learning problem that Boston Dynamics will have to solve in order to achieve even the same kind of Yeah.
01:44:55.000That's an exceptionally difficult thing to arrive at because ultimately these systems operate on a set of objectives and what a lot of people that think about artificial general intelligence say the objectives we need to inject in these systems that they're trained on need to have one uncertainty so they should always doubt themselves.
01:45:17.000Just like if you want to be a good blackball you should always be sort of Always open-minded.
01:46:59.000I think they're solving the really hard robotics problem.
01:47:01.000But once you open it up to the huge world of researchers that are doing machine learning and doing computer vision and doing AI research, the kind of capabilities they might add to these robots might surprise us.
01:47:13.000That's where people are concerned, right?
01:48:01.000That's one of the things people don't, just like with me, they kind of put to the side they don't want to think about military applications.
01:48:07.000I would be more worried about drones than I would be about robot dogs.
01:48:12.000Because the kind of stuff we saw in the Black Mirror episode is really difficult to pull off, to make a robot learn.
01:48:20.000Well, drones are kind of more impressive, right?
01:48:22.000Because they hover, they can move through 3D space, they have Hellfire missiles attached to them.
01:48:28.000I mean, there's a lot of crazy shit that they can absolutely do right now with drones.
01:48:32.000And you're talking about large-scale drones, but you can think of small-scale drones.
01:48:37.000And I think there's also a Black Mirror episode with drones where they take over.
01:49:04.000Wasn't there, there has been research done on making artificial insects that have like little cameras inside of them that look like a dragonfly or some sort of bug and they fly around and they can film things.
01:49:17.000And the thing that terrifies a lot of people is going more microscopic than that, more like robots inside the body that help you cure diseases and so on, certain things, even at the nanoscale.
01:49:46.000So the real question about this artificial intelligence stuff that everybody seems to – the ultimate end of the line, what Sam Harris is terrified of, is it becoming sentient and it making its own decisions and deciding that we don't need people?
01:50:02.000That's what everybody's really scared of, right?
01:50:06.000I'm not sure if everybody's scared of it.
01:50:44.000The YouTube algorithm, the recommender systems of Twitter and Facebook and YouTube, from everything I know, having talked to those folks, having worked on it, The challenging aspect there is they have the power to control minds,
01:51:48.000And I think that intelligence instilled in those algorithms will have a much more potentially either positive or detrimental effect than sentient killer robots.
01:52:00.000I hope we get to sentient killer robots.
01:52:02.000Because that problem I think we can work with.
01:52:06.000I'm very optimistic about the positive aspects of approaching sentience, of approaching general intelligence.
01:52:14.000There's going to be a huge amount of benefit and I think there will be...
01:52:19.000There's a lot of mechanisms that can protect against that going wrong.
01:52:26.000We know how to control intelligent systems.
01:52:30.000When they are sort of in a box, when there are singular systems, when they're distributed across millions of people and there's not a single control point, that becomes really difficult.
01:52:40.000And that's the worry for me is the distributed nature of dumb algorithms.
01:52:46.000On every single phone, sort of controlling the behavior, adjusting the behavior, adjusting the learning journey of different individuals.
01:52:56.000To me, the biggest worry and the most exciting thing is recommender systems, what they're called at Twitter, at Facebook, at YouTube, YouTube especially.
01:53:06.000That one has just like I think you mentioned, there's something special about videos in terms of educating and sometimes indoctrinating people and YouTube.
01:53:54.000And it's looking at the clicking, viewing behavior of the different people.
01:53:59.000So it figures out that the Flat Earth Well, YouTube in particular,
01:54:19.000they're trying to do something about the influx of conspiracy theory videos and the indoctrination aspect of them.
01:54:28.000One of the things about videos is, say if someone makes a video And they make it on a very particular subject, and they speak eloquently and articulately, but they're wrong about everything they're saying.
01:54:42.000Say if they're talking about artificial intelligence.
01:54:44.000They're saying something about things that you are an expert in.
01:54:48.000They could, without being checked, without someone like you in the room that says that's not possible because of X, Y, and Z, without that, They can just keep talking.
01:54:59.000So one of the things they do, whether it's about flat earth or whether it's about dinosaurs being fake or nuclear bombs being fake, they can just say these things and they do it with an excellent grasp of the English language, right?
01:55:12.000So they say it They're very compelling in the way they speak.
01:55:16.000They'll show you pictures and images, and if you are not very educated, and you don't understand that this is nonsense, especially if you're not skeptical, you can get roped in.
01:55:26.000You can get roped in real easy, and that's a problem.
01:55:29.000And it's a problem with some of the people that work in these platforms.
01:55:34.000Their children get indoctrinated, and they get angry.
01:55:40.000Now, what's interesting is They get indoctrinated also with right-wing ideology, and then people get mad that they're indoctrinated by Ben Shapiro videos.
01:58:08.000Jesus Christ, just the fourth quarter, the majority of which were generated through advertising.
01:58:12.000The company announced over 7 million active advertisers on Facebook during the third quarter of 2019. That probably, though, also adds an Instagram.
01:58:20.000That thing with YouTube is just YouTube, not Google, not YouTube Premium, not anything else, just the address.
01:58:26.000And to be fair, so the cash they have, they spend like Facebook AI research groups, some of the most brilliant.
01:58:34.000It's a huge group that's doing general open-ended research.
01:58:38.000Google Research, Google Brain, Google DeepMind are doing open-ended research.
01:58:46.000That's the cool thing about these companies having a lot of cash is they can bring some of the smartest people and let them work on whatever in case it comes up with a cool idea.
02:00:30.000Do you feel like that line is getting more blurred with the access to all those MIT courses that are online and the extreme amount of data that's available to people, that there are going to be a lot of people that, even though they might not be classically trained, they have a massive amount of information?
02:01:34.000And when you have millions of people taking their own journey through that process, There's going to be brilliant people without a PhD or without ever having gone to college.
02:01:44.000I mean, it's difficult to know what to do with that, especially about political questions like economists.
02:01:50.000There's these, you know, Paul Krugman, Nobel Prize winner...
02:01:56.000Economists, Harvard economists, you know, they're supposed to be the holders of the truth and the fundamentals of our economy and when is there going to be a crash, what's good for the economy is the left, the right, what taxation system is good for the economy.
02:02:11.000Same with like nutrition science, psychology, economics, anything that involves humans is a giant mess that expertise can come from anywhere.
02:04:59.000He also brought an interesting style, an interesting way of approaching fights, an interesting style of thinking and also philosophizing about fighting, which I think is amazing.
02:06:29.000Dude, I mean, he's a slow starter in terms of his career, being recognized for the kind of fighter that he is now, and also being recognized publicly as a superstar.
02:10:32.000What George St. Pierre told me about training with Russian nationals in Montreal, he said they're so technical in that you get a lot of Americans that are definitely technical, but they emphasize that Being hard and tough and grueling training routines and grinding,
02:10:53.000And he said, whereas the Russian nationals are far more committed to drilling, far more committed to the technical aspects of exchanges and going through one technique after the other, chaining these techniques together,
02:11:11.000Also, one of the, at least to me, one of the differences, it could be similar to Yael Romero's actually philosophy, but the philosophy of the Dagestani, the Russian people, the Soviet Union, is that recognition, fame, money, all that stuff doesn't matter.
02:12:37.000The Cowboy fight, his coaches were saying he's never looked better.
02:12:40.000That he just was on fire and so focused and so...
02:12:45.000So accurate and and precise in training and that he was just on fire and that just seemed to be that all of the Bullshit and the distractions and all the things that sort of come with being the kind of global superstar that Connor is He managed to figure out a way to get away from those and to just really concentrate on his craft and and pull everything to a Championship level again and god damn it.
02:13:12.000He looked like it against cowboy And to see the contrast of those two cultures, I mean, it is a Rocky IV type of situation.
02:13:32.000And I wonder if, you know, his desire to beat Khabib...
02:13:37.000It eclipses his desire to get inside of his head and play all the games that he usually plays and the promotional games that ultimately probably won't be necessary.
02:13:47.000But I think, you know, the UFC is trying to push for it right now.
02:13:50.000They're pushing for it right now, a rematch with Khabib, but they're ignoring Tony Ferguson in a lot of ways, in my eyes.
02:14:13.000So when you think about what Tony has been able to do to world-class fighters, what he did to Donald, I mean, he just smashed Donald's face.
02:16:53.000Sometimes we idolize people for the perfection of the record too much.
02:16:56.000Dude, the way he ragdolled Rafael Dos Anjos, the way he steamrolled, like, I mean, he's beaten top-flight competition and made them look like they have no business being in there with him.
02:17:09.000But I think if you beat Tony Ferguson, I mean, that places him, that's immense.
02:17:12.000And people put him above, like, I don't know, I think Hanna deserves to be in that story, in that top, like, 15, top 10. Perhaps.
02:18:56.000So, Bovaysar Saitiev would read Boris Parstanak, which is a famous Russian poet, won the Nobel Prize before every match, and he kind of captures that ethic.
02:20:25.000But as the artist, so in the case of Pasternak, he's a poet, writer, wrote Dr. Zhivago, is the art, you should only think about the art and the purity of it and the love of it.
02:20:39.000And so when you look at Bouvasir Saiteyev and the brothers and the whole Dagestan region, They shunned fame.
02:20:48.000So the thing that Khabib is thrust into this MMA world, which is fundamentally, I mean, it's a popular sport.
02:21:00.000I mentioned, I think last time I was on here, the most terrifying human being.
02:21:04.000You know investors when they like buy a penny stock seeing it's gonna blow up to me the most terrifying human being in the heavyweight division the the Russian tank I mentioned last time the Sadolayev who now just continues destroying everybody and it looks like he's already won the gold medal one bunch of world championships he's a heavyweight the heavyweights in the UFC should be scared.
02:21:26.000Is he gonna fight MMA? So the hard thing...
02:21:30.000Spell his name and let's get a video so we can look at it.
02:23:25.000I think what's going to happen is once likely wins gold at this Olympics, he's going to, you know, this titanic ship, a 23-, 24-year-old ship is going to start thinking and turning.
02:24:45.000So you're riding around in this vehicle, and the vehicle, like, they're shooting at you, the vehicle has to back up, you go into this new door, the vehicle knows how to go around a corner, and what's that guy's name?
02:24:55.000Darth Maul is trying to cut through the wall.
02:26:54.000So I think there's some, like there's very minimal AI in this because AI creates uncertainty and uncertainty is very undesirable in situations like this.
02:27:49.000I mean, it's nice that we have access to the history books, and I praise the historians for sure, but I'm not interested in making history.
02:27:57.000Yeah, I don't know actually why I said that because I don't care about the history books.
02:28:00.000Just the exciting – it's one of the only frontiers that we can actually be explorers in.
02:28:06.000Like we've explored – well, the depths of the ocean we haven't exactly explored.
02:28:37.000Bostrom relies on, I mean, he was relying on theories in terms of like mathematical theories of probability to say that he thinks it's more likely that we're in a simulation.
02:29:24.000I think there's going to—the three paths that he highlighted, it makes it sound like it's so clear that it's just three, but I think there's going to be a huge amount of possibilities of the kinds of simulations.
02:29:38.000Like to me, I keep asking, you know, to ask Elon Musk about the simulation where he said— What's on the other side?
02:30:37.000Why do you sit down with Elon Musk and talk about the simulation when you're sitting with a world expert in particular aspects of rockets or robotics?
02:31:20.000That's useful to think about what is our reality?
02:31:24.000What aspects are most interesting for us humans to be able to perceive with our limited perception and cognitive abilities, interpret and interact with?
02:31:34.000And then the bigger question then is how do you build a larger scale simulation that would be able to create that virtual reality game, which I think is a possible future.
02:31:45.000We're already creating virtual worlds for ourselves on Twitter and social networks and so on.
02:31:50.000I really believe that virtual reality...
02:31:54.000We'll spend more and more of our lives in the next 50 to 100 years in virtual worlds.
02:32:00.000And the simulation hypothesis and simulation discussion is part of that.
02:33:15.000One of the constructs of physics, theoretical physics, with many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics, as Sean has talked to you about, reveals some interesting fundamental building blocks of our reality.
02:33:28.000There's something I don't think people have talked to you about, which is the coolest thing to me, the most amazing thing that nobody can explain.
02:33:37.000Yeah, things called cellular automata.
02:33:40.000And there's a guy, a mathematician named John Conway who came up in the 70s with a thing called Game of Life.
02:33:47.000And cellular automata are these two-dimensional, one-dimensional, but Game of Life is a two-dimensional grid Where every single little cell is really dumb and it behaves based on the cells next to it.
02:34:00.000And it's born when there's like a certain number, like three cells alive next to it and it dies otherwise.
02:34:07.000So it's like a simple rule for birth and death.
02:34:09.000And all it knows is its nearby surrounding and its own life.
02:34:14.000And if you take that system with a really dumb rule and expand it in size, arbitrary complexity emerges.
02:34:21.000You can have Turing machines, so you can simulate perfect computers with that system.
02:34:28.000And it can grow, and all these behaviors grow.
02:34:30.000Like if you watch, if people Google Game of Life, and you can watch this extremely dumb, simple system just grow arbitrary complexities.
02:34:43.000And what you start to realize that from such incredibly simple building blocks that don't know anything about the bigger world around them, you can build our entire universe.
02:34:56.000You can build the kind of complexities we see in us.
02:35:50.000For the simulation, the creator of the simulation is probably some 13-year-old nerd living in his mom's basement.
02:35:59.000It's probably just set some rules in this video game and press play.
02:36:02.000And then arbitrary complexity can emerge.
02:36:05.000It can have a Joe Rogan, it can have an Elon Musk, all the technologies that we've developed, and probably millions of other alien species that are living throughout our universe.
02:37:07.000So consciousness brings with it this idea of basically, you know, subjective experience.
02:37:13.000A subjective experience comes with the idea of pain and fear and so on.
02:37:18.000The thing, again, my Russian romanticization of it, but I think fear of death is essential.
02:37:23.000Scarcity is essential for beauty, for life.
02:37:26.000And that's a nice feature of this little simulation we've got going on.
02:37:31.000That there could be a lot of different alternatives, I think.
02:37:34.000It could be less individualistic, less consciousness can be present in different kinds of forms.
02:37:40.000So I see there's a lot more options than those three that he highlights.
02:37:45.000And we can destroy ourselves in a lot of interesting ways.
02:37:49.000The entire civilizations from AI to nuclear weapons to biological, to all kinds of weapons.
02:37:53.000So it's almost like Whether it's a simulation or not is almost irrelevant.
02:37:59.000The complexity of the existence and all of the various pushes and pulls that keep everything together, they're almost operating like some grand plan.
02:40:30.000The conflict, by the way, also, I don't know if you're even aware, you're kind of, even though you were thrust into politics, you're not aware of politics, but there is the Iowa caucus going on today.
02:40:40.000It's like the first vote for the Democrats.
02:41:10.000If everything was just simple and easy, and there was no resistance whatsoever, nothing would get done.
02:41:15.000And also, your own personal systems would never get tested.
02:41:19.000I feel like every adversity that you experience is really a gift, because on the other end of that adversity, there's an opportunity for massive growth.
02:41:26.000What was that Think and Grow Rich quote that...
02:41:31.000Lovato said the other day every adversity carries the seed of an equivalent advantage.
02:43:44.000One of the things in this book that I'm in the middle of, I'm actually towards the end of this Black Elk book, is it details the invention of the automobile and the implementation of it and how the world changes.
02:43:57.000That was the other surprising thing about this book is it's so recent.
02:44:02.000So during this time where Black Elk was a young boy, sees Custer get killed, takes his first scalp, remembers the sound of the man gritting his teeth as he's cutting his hair off, like cutting his scalp off.
02:44:18.000And then later on in his life, as he's an older man, the world goes from very few automobiles to most people have an automobile during his lifetime.
02:44:49.000Not scary, but I don't know what it would feel like to...
02:44:52.000Be born in this natural world to see the kind of suffering in the U.S. military and then see the technology of the Industrial Revolution kind of propagate and be faced with that.
02:45:05.000I don't know what that would feel like.
02:45:26.000If, I mean, Elon has this saying that human beings are the biological bootloader for AI. And I've always thought that if you paid attention to the human being's desire for materialism, like materialism seems to be like a constant.
02:45:42.000Throughout cultures, people want things.
02:45:44.000And when they have things, they want better things.
02:46:37.000Increasing the bandwidth of our brain, being able to communicate with the internet, with the information.
02:46:44.000It doesn't necessarily need to be through brain-computer interfaces, but increasing that bandwidth to expand our ability of our mind to reason.
02:46:52.000Not to expand the ability to reason, sorry.
02:46:55.000To take the mechanism of our mind's ability to reason and expand it with access to a lot of information.
02:47:01.000And increase that bandwidth to be able to reason with facts.
02:47:04.000Just like we can look up stuff on Wikipedia now, increasing the speed at which we can do that can, I think, fundamentally transform our ability to think.
02:47:13.000Do you think that that's ever going to be a wireless option?
02:47:16.000Because right now they have to drill holes in your head, right?
02:47:19.000Yeah, I think there could be other interfaces, I think.