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00:01:49.000And we almost had like a mini podcast in the back bar of the comedy store.
00:01:54.000I'm like, damn, we gotta remember all this cool shit we talked about.
00:01:57.000You know, I was trying to think like all the different things that we talked about that we have to remember.
00:02:02.000But one of them is a shout out to our buddy Andy, Andy Stump, who basically, we were talking last night about One of the things that happened, there was an event while you were serving where a helicopter was shot down,
00:02:18.000and then you were the replacement group?
00:02:22.000Yeah, so I was augmenting the group that ended up replacing the guys who passed away during Extortion 17. And that was a huge event, right?
00:03:27.000Which is very tough for guys that aren't there that could have been there to know that that's a possibility with so many dudes that spent so much time together.
00:03:41.000Yeah, one of the things that we talked about last night was the difference in perception between what war is actually like versus what civilians think war is like and how much of that stuff is sort of polluted by media, by movies and television shows where they paint this picture of it.
00:04:01.000And then the only people that know what it's like are you.
00:04:09.000Yeah, and I think it's cool what you're doing and what guys like Jocko are doing where they're allowing guys to paint that picture for everybody to see how...
00:04:22.000It really can be from everybody's individual perspective.
00:04:26.000Because all of us get a different sliver of what's going on.
00:04:30.000We all see a slightly different reality when we're there.
00:05:20.000You know, when we were talking about last night, I was saying, is it frustrating to you when you see media depictions of it, when you see films about war, like when you see something that's really woefully inaccurate?
00:07:09.000You know, we all individually think, oh yeah, you know, maybe it does kind of fade, but that's only because you're not the one who lived it.
00:07:33.000I don't think there's a thing that you can't understand more than war if you haven't experienced it.
00:07:38.000I mean, I obviously haven't experienced it, but when I think about it, I'm like, I don't even know if I should be thinking about what it's like.
00:16:13.000I'm not positive on that, but it was thousands of people perished that day.
00:16:19.000There was something that someone did to commemorate the anniversary of the event, and they did something that represented every body of everyone who died, and they did it on the beach with a number.
00:16:49.000I mean, I remember my granddad, and he had told me these things before I joined about storming a beach in the South Pacific and everybody left right front and back of him dying.
00:17:23.000Who really had this abstract idea that this war went down there and that gives you a visual representation of what it must have looked like.
00:23:17.000I just think that people see things in the water and then they exaggerate the size of them and the next thing you know they're telling a story.
00:24:19.000And since they never took calves, they estimated that the bowhead was several years old when it was first shot, and about 130 when it died last month.
00:24:53.000Fired from a heavy shoulder gun, the Harptune was attached to a small metal cylinder filled with explosives and fitted with a time fuse so it explodes seconds after it was shot into the whale.
00:25:07.000The weapons manufacturer to a New England factory about 1880 and said it was rendered obsolete by a less bulky darting gun a few years later.
00:25:15.000So they'd shoot into it and said even though the device probably exploded, the bowhead was protected by a one foot thick layer of blubber and thick bones used to protect, used to break through the ice one foot thick to breathe out of the surface.
00:25:29.000Imagine that fucking thing can break through a foot thick of ice.
00:26:39.000Yeah, they did this DNA test on certain makeups, and they found out that shark liver, for whatever reason, is like this excellent moisturizer.
00:26:47.000How good do you think that makes vegetarians feel?
00:26:49.000Like, yeah, you're just wiping some shark liver all over your face.
00:29:03.000They're really nice to people, though.
00:29:04.000That's what's really interesting to me about orcas, is that in captivity, it's the only place that they've documented that they've actually hurt people and killed people.
00:29:14.000In the ocean, they actually help people sometimes.
00:29:17.000People fall in the water, they help them up onto the boat.
00:29:31.000Maybe they're so smart that they're like, listen, these motherfuckers have guns, and they have planes, and they can shoot guns out of planes.
00:35:19.000And then my other cat was outside, and she was like, Dad, what the fuck are you doing in there with this cat?
00:35:24.000This is crazy, because I couldn't have her.
00:35:27.000But once, that helped when I let her in after like a day or two, and she would come right up to me and start purring, and I'd pet her, and the cat was like, oh, okay, he's not eating her.
00:35:37.000Hmm, maybe he's not going to eat me either.
00:35:40.000But by the time he was getting older and developing, you know, he was getting ready to breed, he just started spraying all over my house.
00:35:48.000So I had to capture him and bring him to the vet.
00:45:31.000And for me, I immediately fell in love with the entire process, the amount of practice it takes, how difficult it is, what it's like to share that meat with other people.
00:47:58.000So I essentially started putting a little bit of carbs in and I still only eat like maybe a hundred grams of carbs a day, which is on the bottom end of very little.
00:49:59.000And you're just piling it up on the shelves in your head, as opposed to like, I'm relatively even-keeled about a lot of things, but it took a long time for me to have the ah, whatever, that doesn't affect me.
00:51:40.000And one of the things that we talked about was that I do my best to try to get guys on that are veterans that have these stories just to try to let – just gives people at least another – A little piece to the puzzle, this never-ending puzzle of what these people are experiencing.
00:51:58.000What people like you and him and all these different people.
00:52:00.000Andy and Jocko and everybody else that I've had on that's served.
00:52:04.000And I was saying last night, I'm like, I appreciate it.
00:52:08.000It's a thank you from all of us for letting those stories get out and having the kind of open discussion that it allows.
00:52:19.000I don't think it gets talked about enough.
00:52:23.000I don't think these stories get out and I mean Jocko obviously has them on his podcast quite a bit where he discusses different operations and different things that went down and what it's like and loss and you know and Andy does as well and there's a shit ton of podcasts now from veterans which is nice.
00:52:56.000And one of the things that drives me crazy more than anything was we were doing this benefit when the UFC did a bunch, we've done a bunch of fight for the troops events on bases.
00:53:07.000And we did it for the Intrepid Center for Excellence that treats people with traumatic brain injury and we were raising money for them.
00:53:14.000And it was so hard for me during the broadcast to not just start swearing and screaming like how the fuck are we not raising the money?
00:53:41.000Where's it being allocated and wasted where it's not being spent on these guys coming back home dealing with traumatic injuries from serving their country?
00:53:49.000And it's not as if there's a ton of us.
00:56:33.000Now, they tried to, like, put some of the people groups that were all like, oh, yeah, here's where the Sauds are, here's, you know, they tried to put all the people groups in the right spot, but a lot of those nations, they kind of created at the end of that conflict.
00:59:27.000I was telling you that, that my friend Jonathan up there, my friend John and Jen, the Rivets, they have this place up in Alberta, and their son, Jonathan, was there when a bear, a male bear, killed a cub, and then the female...
00:59:43.000The mother chased him off the dead cub after he killed it, and then she ate it.
01:02:45.000When you see them, apparently, and I said, like I said, I've only seen one live in the woods, and it was about six feet, so it wasn't that big.
01:02:57.000My friend John says that what happens is, like, the black bears come in real slow and gentle, and they're looking around, and they want to make sure that there's no grizzlies around.
01:03:07.000The grizzlies come and they just start knocking shit down, and they make all the noise in the fucking world.
01:03:13.000That bear that we saw that was tracking us, while we were tracking that black bear, did exactly that.
01:03:18.000The second I looked over, because he, like, made a tiny, tiny bit, the tiniest bit of noise, And we were, you know, tracking this other bear, so we're listening real close.
01:03:28.000And I hear this thing, and I look over, and it does exactly that.
01:03:31.000See, as we see it, stomps on the ground and just starts knocking shit over and pounds off, making a shit ton of noise.
01:05:16.000Yeah, but as part of the whole, like, hunting experience and, you know, providing the meat and doing the whole thing, it's part of the thing.
01:13:20.000And he's like, hey man, you can use the rifle if you want to do it.
01:13:24.000And credit to the amount of training that we go through.
01:13:28.000I grabbed that thing and I'm like, alright dude, well, if that moose hops in the water, I'm handing you this damn rifle and I'm going to shoot it with a bow.
01:13:36.000But if he turns broadside and tries to walk around the lake, it's going to take until nighttime, which it was getting towards twilight.
01:16:46.000So we get around the lake, which totally solidified me being happy about shooting him with a rifle because it took us almost an hour to get around the lake to where he was dead.
01:16:57.000And that was us just hoofing it, like hard.
01:17:00.000Not worried about anything that's out there.
01:17:02.000And we got him gutted and then we ended up leaving him overnight because it was about to be dark and it was cold out, real cold.
01:17:09.000Came back the next day, cut him in half, went and got a canoe, canoed each half across the lake.
01:18:14.000I mean, if it's the you are what you eat type of thing, that is an athlete that is the product of other athletes that have survived being eaten, killed, and destroyed by weather.
01:18:30.000And if you're choosing to eat really well, along with it, like white rice and root vegetables or however you're doing it, man, do you feel good eating that?
01:18:49.000Yeah, like if an animal was a predator of human beings looking for the best human beings to eat, it would probably want to eat like giant NFL players or a UFC fighter.
01:19:12.000Yeah, it's hard to describe to people.
01:19:15.000It's hard to describe to people what it feels like to just dip your foot into the food chain for a little bit and come back with something and then to think about it all the time.
01:20:18.000You just go through your sequence like we were talking about last night.
01:20:21.000You just do your steps, say your mantra.
01:20:24.000Do you have a mantra that you say when you draw back your bow?
01:20:26.000Not really, but I do walk myself through the steps how I've described them to myself after Dud's described them.
01:20:34.000You know, like, okay, the hands at the stop sign, get a nice relaxed arm, a little slight bend in the elbow, you know, lock your shoulder down, okay, pull back, pull the tension, feel the tension, there's a wall, let it center, let it flow, pull, pull, boom!
01:21:06.000And a big part of being able to keep your shit together when things get Western is that you have to be able to keep your system in a conscious state.
01:21:19.000Don't let instincts happen and everything just go wild.
01:21:26.000I think a closed loop is when you're thinking about it and you have control over it versus an open loop is when it's like swinging a baseball bat.
01:21:50.000Closed loop thinking versus open looper sees the immediate result, and upon achieving the desirable result, wanders off to find something else eventually.
01:21:55.000Closed looper sees not only the result, but the effect on...
01:23:43.000Yeah, it's a weird thing that your mind does where your mind just wants to spaz out.
01:23:50.000It's a weird reaction to stress and adrenaline and all these different things, all these different factors that you're trying to calculate all at once.
01:24:12.000So what are you telling them to think of when you're telling them, like, when you're teaching combat pistols, and you're teaching them how to utilize a pistol, what is the process of, like...
01:24:24.000I try and break stuff down as simple as possible so that it's...
01:24:27.000Easy steps for people to talk through to create a habit so that you're using it as a subconscious effort, right?
01:24:36.000Like I want you to be able to draw and fire that pistol or shoulder and fire the rifle in a way that you're almost not thinking through once you become very proficient at the shooting so that your brain can stay open to all the other pertinent shit that's going on and all the scary crap that's happening out there.
01:25:00.000You want it to be an automatic movement.
01:25:02.000And there's guys out there with a shit ton more combat time and a shit ton more teaching experience that say the exact same thing, and they say it because it works.
01:25:11.000Because there's not time to screw around with having to think through the process.
01:25:18.000It's similar to how you're drawing a bow and hunting, right?
01:25:21.000Do you have time to really think through it all?
01:26:12.000And what they're trying to do is get people to make sure that they can...
01:26:17.000Understand what they're doing and perform under the pressure, right?
01:26:23.000And a lot of the training and a lot of the selection weeds out people that can't put stress and information into the same lane of traffic, right?
01:27:16.000You know, I don't particularly remember exactly what the advice was, like word for word, but I do remember it being like, follow your training, you know, we're training you the right way.
01:27:34.000And is a lot of being able to perform in combat in these situations that are insanely stressful and to be able to manage information and stress at the same time, is a lot of that just learned by experience?
01:28:05.000So I was open ears, open eyes, and closed mouth for four months.
01:28:12.000These dudes that are over there had been doing it for a long time at that point because I was there in 2011 and 12. And it's all a process that is fatally consequential.
01:30:22.000First, this is my ignorance of it, but this is what I would think, was that what happens first is probably like you get better at being calm and more accustomed to it, but after a while the pressure...
01:30:44.000And they have decompression windows at the end of deployments.
01:30:49.000A typical deployment, how long does it last?
01:30:52.000I was over there for four months, and they've done everything from three months to 13 plus for special operations guys.
01:31:02.000And the reason being they do the shorter ones is because of the operation tempo.
01:31:06.000You're doing so much and you're doing it so quickly and they want you to be fresh and they want you to be good at it because they don't want that stress to happen.
01:33:29.000And Jocko put his knuckles into John's neck and was like using a neck crank and compressing his neck from like either the guard or maybe even side control and then had a knuckle in the throat.
01:35:32.000There's a thing, I mean, I don't want to speak for you, but the highs and the thrills of that stuff, of base jumping, what is it that's so attractive about that to you guys?
01:35:46.000I don't know as much if it's the thrill as the thrill combined with the enormous amount of mental effort.
01:36:02.000Like, if you're on the edge of a cliff in a wingsuit, there's so much shit that can go wrong between the second you push off that thing and you can't turn around to the 60-ish seconds that it takes to get to the ground.
01:36:54.000If you're a person that is so willing to do that thing that you will do anything it takes to make it happen and go around me to learn how to do it, okay.
01:37:03.000But I'm not going to be like, this is a great choice for you.
01:37:13.000I always feel like you either have the ability to handle shit Or you don't, and then they can help you if you have the ability to handle shit.
01:37:26.000It's an arrogant assumption on my part from no experience, but the way I'm thinking of it, it's like the amount of...
01:37:36.000Wrestling that must be done in your mind going from combat deployment to regular society and seeing the petty bullshit that people think of as being like life or death or real issues that need screaming and fighting and you're like,
01:38:04.000But I do think that therapy of some type, archery, technical shooting, base jumping, jujitsu, there are things that you can take up that I think help guys unpacketize, like undo all of the shit that's in their head.
01:38:23.000You don't have to go to a therapist and talk.
01:38:26.000That's not necessarily the best thing for everybody.
01:38:30.000There's a weird thing about the mind, right?
01:38:52.000And also, it's like for people that have experienced...
01:38:56.000Combat deployments and then they come back to regular life.
01:38:59.000It's almost like your body's accustomed to a certain level of stress and now it's not there anymore so it might start creating it on its own or looking for it when it's not there.
01:39:12.000I haven't been tested nor has he if I know but you know so many of us are like adrenal fatigued because we're just wound the fuck up at fifth gear for years.
01:41:20.000The lack of support when veterans return is really disturbing.
01:41:24.000Like the idea that there's so much emphasis put into training, there's so much emphasis put into arming and making sure that everybody's geared up.
01:41:32.000You're a multi-million dollar machine.
01:43:36.000So if that's what we're concerned about, nobody gives two crap about what's going on in the back end because you're just going to rinse, wash, repeat that cycle.
01:43:59.000But the idea that someone could be addicted to the action when they want to return, even when they think they're done and they're drawn to go back again.
01:46:26.000Teach it to corporations and teach it to groups and law enforcement and people that need that sort of understanding that's coming from a guy like him.
01:46:36.000With the immense amount of experience that he has in a couple different genres that allow him to then teach that in a way that is comprehensible and super efficient.
01:47:16.000That by the time we're training for this stuff and it's super stressful...
01:47:19.000Everybody's pretty much on their shit.
01:47:22.000And then there's little stuff that you learn while you're doing shooting that you can transfer to all of it, the breathing techniques, right?
01:47:29.000And then, by and large, we are so well trained and know that we're so well trained that you're just doing your damn job.
01:47:38.000Just do your job and do it the best you can.
01:47:41.000Because I'm not thinking about me necessarily as much as I'm thinking about everybody else also.
01:48:48.000I wonder how many women have attempted to go through BUDS. Jamie, see if you can Google how many women have attempted to go through BUDS. Ladies listening to this, please don't get uncomfortable.
01:49:52.000I've met more than enough females that are Apache pilots, fighter pilots, badass EOD chicks, which is explosive ordinance like Hurt Locker, right?
01:50:01.000There's some bad women in the military.
01:50:27.000The most efficient, the most effective, the ones that can handle the most, the ones that can get the job done when the shit is as hairy as it gets.
01:51:43.000And when you made the decision to get out, what was that decision based on?
01:51:47.000So I never really wanted to do the Navy as a full-time career my entire life.
01:51:53.000You know, do 20 years and get out and collect the pension.
01:51:58.000The war was starting to, at the time, slow down-ish for op tempo, like how quickly guys are going overseas and the amount of action they're seeing.
01:52:05.000The way I saw it was it's like training for a fight that you never do.
01:52:09.000I didn't want that to be my life, and I was 28. I'm like, you know what?
01:52:14.000Let me make some phone calls and see how guys are feeling about stuff overseas.
01:52:18.000Because I was on the jump team at the time, so I didn't quite have my finger on the pulse of what was happening at the team.
01:52:24.000So I made some calls, and those guys were like, yeah man, if there's nothing really tying you down, like a kid, or a huge amount of debt, or a lifelong dream of this being your Navy SEAL for 20 years, and you want to do other stuff with your life, it might be a good time to do it, dude.
01:52:42.000I got out with all my fingers and toes, and I'm glad that I was able to leave On really good terms and feel really happy about what I did.
01:52:54.000Because I feel like we were making a difference.
01:52:58.000When you say that, what made you feel like you were making a difference?
01:53:02.000The things I know that we got to participate in, the places we were and the guys that we removed from the battle space, captured or killed, were fucking shitheads that were using women and children as targets and were causing terror.
01:53:19.000When you say terrorist, people have this disassociated view of that now, right?
01:53:29.000I don't think people quite, you know, the coronavirus stuff is coming out now or when a bomb goes off somewhere or there's a mass shooting.
01:53:53.000So I feel like we were doing a good thing.
01:53:57.000And what did you do when you came back, when you got off, when you were done?
01:54:01.000So I took some time off and did a ton of skydiving and base jumping because I love those things.
01:54:09.000I was teaching a little bit of combat shooting and then basically about a year and a half after I got out of the military, Andy calls me up and he's like, Hey dude, you want to go on a bear hunt?
01:54:22.000So that's, so it was like really fresh out.
01:58:16.000I live in Salt Lake City now, and I'm down there hanging out with Evan all the time, and he's constantly roasting beans and cupping coffee, and he's trying to better the experience for the user.
01:58:26.000And what's really cool is that guy has found a passion outside of being a badass Green Beret or whatever military.
01:58:34.000He's found an identity outside of that and driven so hard towards it, and he gives so many shits about the user base and the consumer.
01:58:57.000And he tries to hire so many vets all the time.
01:58:59.000Yeah, and I believe they've, because they're buy a bag, give a bag, I think they've given over 30,000 pounds of coffee for free to guys overseas.
02:00:46.000If people don't know what we're talking about, there's a kind of coffee called kopi luat, and there's an animal that looks like a rat, but it's actually a...
02:07:56.000He moved to a spot so that he could hunt deer and bought a giant farm so he could hunt deer and then sits out there all the time so he could hunt deer.
02:08:04.000I mean, if you love it, go to where it is.
02:08:07.000Like, I moved from San Diego because I was sick of the traffic and sick of how California was.
02:08:13.000You moved from San Diego to Salt Lake because of that?
02:08:16.000Yeah, but San Diego ain't shit compared to up here.
02:09:52.000Do you know what he's talking about with Deontay Wilder's outfit?
02:09:54.000He got knocked out by Tyson Fury and he blamed some of it on the fact that his legs were worn out because he was carrying around this crazy outfit that weighed 40 pounds.
02:13:18.000I was actually talking to somebody about this recently.
02:13:21.000I think it's better for guys that have to put hands on people that aren't given as many options as we are to end the fight before that with some other means, right?
02:14:44.000Yeah, Richie Martinez, my friend Boogie, he's 10th Planet San Diego, and he just actually just had a submission match against Jake Shields, who's like a really super respected veteran and tapped him.
02:14:59.000And Richie started out, and same as his brother Gio, they started out as break dancers.
02:15:04.000And when they first came to the school, Eddie was like, dude, there's something going on with break dancing.
02:15:09.000Like if you think about the ability that you have to maneuver your body, stand on one hand, spin around in circles, like do one hand handstands.
02:15:18.000Like the physicality combined with knowing where your body is in space.
02:15:31.000A lot of gymnasts can translate directly.
02:15:34.000And George St. Pierre, actually, to improve his overall game, started getting into gymnastics.
02:15:39.000And he said it had a significant impact.
02:15:42.000Dude, that guy would be terrifying to watch do gymnastics.
02:15:45.000Yeah, but just his ability to use his body.
02:15:47.000He's like, well, if I could do all these things that other guys do, like back handsprings and flips and all these different things, that would be very beneficial just to understand how to use your body.
02:15:58.000It's like a more advanced form of plyometrics in a lot of ways.
02:22:48.000But he gets up at 2.30 in the morning, okay?
02:22:51.0002.30 in the morning sometimes, and he'll run 18, 20 miles, and then he'll go to work, and then during lunchtime, he'll hammer out another 8. And you gotta fit in a little bit of archery.
02:23:03.000Yeah, and then afterwards he goes and shoots for hours, and then he goes to this crazy fucking pimped out man cave that he's got.
02:23:19.000We were operating in a similar way when I was in the SEAL teams.
02:23:23.000Your whole life is centered around these things.
02:23:26.000I'm just going to be really good at all of it.
02:23:28.000Well, his whole life is centered around bow hunting, believe it or not.
02:23:31.000All the other stuff that he does is really to get himself in shape for bow hunting and to challenge himself so that he understands that his body is in perfect tune and he can do it.
02:23:42.000Dude, hanging out with him in the mountains is so goddamn humbling because he runs up these mountains like it's nothing.
02:27:16.000Instead, we're water balloons and jelly donuts walking around.
02:27:20.000Well, when you find out what's really possible from the human body, when you see people that accomplish incredible feats of endurance, did you see that former Marine who was, I guess you're never a former Marine, 62-year-old dude who...
02:27:35.000Like my granddad, not a former Marine.
02:27:37.000Yeah, he won the world record for holding a plank.
02:27:41.000He held a plank for, he's 62, held a plank for eight hours, and I think it was like 13 minutes, something preposterous.
02:28:52.000You definitely get bored, but the amount of mental fortitude that you have to have to be able to do that and hold that position for 8 hours and 15 minutes.
02:29:04.000What did he say he was doing it for, Jamie?
02:29:05.000There was like something in that video.
02:30:31.000You know what's incredible how much it burns off energy is playing chess.
02:30:36.000They had these world-class chess players in these world championship events, and they found out they were burning thousands of calories just sitting there playing chess because they were all losing weight.
02:30:46.000And they're trying to figure out, why are these guys losing weight?
02:30:48.000What's happening over the course of this tournament?
02:30:56.000Robert Sapolsky, our guy, who's the Stanford professor who we've had on the podcast, who studies stress in primates at Stanford University, says that a chess player can burn up to 6,000 calories a day while playing in a tournament three times what an average person consumes in a day.
02:34:38.000When you're going through the mountains and the intensity of hunting and then the concentration and all those things, that's incredibly calorie consuming.
02:36:09.000It's all in how much you're putting in.
02:36:11.000And I've heard that from guys where they're like, yeah, if you punch your ticket the first day, you're just going to feel like, oh, what am I here for?
02:36:22.000I'm like, look, I'm not buying into that nonsense.
02:36:25.000Like, there was Steve Rinella on one of his shows, he had this elk, and it was like the first day of the hunt, and it was a great elk, and he was about to shoot it, and he's like, I'm not ready to end my hunt.
02:36:37.000And then he wound up not getting an elk, because that's how it works.
02:36:39.000Yeah, well, it's like, he explained that he had just gotten back from another episode, because he's filming, and then the episode previously, just last week, he'd shot an elk.
02:37:40.000I don't think I would want to videotape or take pictures of myself doing it, but participating in the circle and being part of that process and able to document it.
02:38:27.000Like, my agenda is meat in the freezer, enjoying the process, and man, I get to spend some really cool time with some really, really, really good friends.
02:38:38.000I don't think I could give that up for pushing the, I want to be famous too, but only because I'm filming these hunts.
02:38:47.000Also, the filming thing, the real problem is that person filming you is also in the way.
02:38:52.000There's an extra body moving, there's extra smells, there's extra sounds.
02:38:56.000They have to move to get the shot, and sometimes you're drawn on an animal and they don't have the shot, so they move in order to get a better angle.
02:39:04.000The animal's like, what the fuck is that?
02:39:06.000And the animal sees him and takes off.
02:39:08.000And more power to guys like Dud that are able to do it successfully.
02:41:15.000And for me, growing up in Southern California, having seen a mountain lion when I was younger, I just had a real deep feeling about mountain lions.
02:44:08.000And really enjoyed it, and I told him, man, I really want to come back and help you guide with Brown Bear and with Sika Blacktails and Mountain Goat again.
02:44:16.000So this year I'm going to be up there doing some.
02:44:31.000It's a really interesting thing to get all in with, too, because it is such a part of our DNA. And then it is the source of your nutrition now.
02:45:09.000I would like people to experience it somewhat, and I think you can get kind of the shadow of it when you catch a fish and you eat that fish.
02:45:29.000Which Black Rifle has really allowed me to do that because I get to take a fair amount of their lifestyle and environmental shoots and pictures.
02:45:38.000So I'm able to go on hunts with Evan and Dud and Andy and make it happen and take pictures along the way.
02:45:46.000Don't they have a crazy ranch down in Texas too?
02:46:08.000I mean, it's America for sure, but it's like, it's sort of like, there's places in America that are so clearly what, like, California is one of those places.