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00:00:04.000Oh, the actual real rolling paper that came with Big Bamboo?
00:00:08.000That was the first time I really went out.
00:00:10.000We're live right now, so we'll just let everybody know we're talking about Cheech and Chong's album, Big Bamboo, that actually came with a real rolling paper.
00:01:20.000Really, really, really needed to do something, but what do you need?
00:01:24.000Text, phone call, and if there's something that I really need to look up, you just turn around and say, hey, can someone Google this for me?
00:02:10.000Hooked it up to the lights and all that stuff going.
00:02:13.000And then as I started to understand what it was really doing and what it's really communicating, all these things, right down to your Roku remote, you pick that up, it's communicating with Homebase.
00:02:23.000So all this stuff, so I got rid of all of it.
00:02:26.000I was listening to one of Sam Harris' podcasts, and he was talking with someone that said, and they had a really great quote, that we didn't realize that our data Was something valuable.
00:03:04.000You know what's even more egregious is there's a company called Plaid, P-L-A-I-D, and just sold the visa for, I think, $4 or $5 billion.
00:03:13.000And it's the financial back end or kind of like a bridge between all these apps that can do stuff with your bank account and your bank account.
00:03:24.000So if you have an app like Venmo or, ah shit, name any payment.
00:04:39.000It seems somewhat inevitable that this connection that we have to technology gets deeper and deeper into our lives, but what disturbs me is that there are these giant corporations that are not just profiting off of our connection, but then they're using that money and that influence to affect a lot of things in our culture.
00:05:20.000So they're training people to do certain things like the Progressive app for insurance.
00:05:27.000It's training you to drive in a quote-unquote responsible manner because you get discounts if you don't brake too hard, if you're not accelerating, if you're not breaking speed limits, etc.
00:05:39.000Is it hooked up to the GPS so it knows your speeds and everything that's monitoring it?
00:10:14.000I mean, it gives you a little bit of reward.
00:10:16.000Every now and then, someone has a funny meme, and you're like, ha, ha, ha, ha.
00:10:19.000That's what Silicon Valley figured out, is that the Pavlovian response and all the brain impulses you get from a like or a retweet or whatever it is, or even just something, oh, and we have different sounds, bling, plong, all this stuff.
00:10:36.000Before we go any further, we should give you credit.
00:10:38.000You're the reason why all this started.
00:10:39.000You are the original podfather, the legitimate one.
00:10:44.000There's a lot of people claiming that.
00:11:02.000I was living in Amsterdam at the time and I was working with Dave Weiner who really invented blogging and he had created this RSS syndication format.
00:11:13.000And he had software where you could blog and then an aggregator kind of like Google Reader at the time and you could read blogs.
00:11:21.000It was kind of like a two-way communication thing.
00:11:23.000It was interesting and a lot of people were starting to use it.
00:12:03.000There was nothing there that made sense.
00:12:06.000And I always wanted to broadcast on the unit.
00:12:08.000That's always been my thing from the moment I saw it.
00:12:12.000So I came up with this concept of the last yard.
00:12:15.000So what if you had a little thing running on your computer in the background that would know if there's something you wanted.
00:12:21.000Let's just forget the how it knows part.
00:12:24.000It would download it and it would tell you that there was something new when it already had it on its local hard drive.
00:12:30.000So you remove the whole wait experience because you don't know.
00:12:33.000You don't know that this computer has been downloading something you've wanted.
00:12:36.000It just tells you, oh, it's here, which is It's not abnormal in media.
00:12:41.000The 6 o'clock news, most of it's produced before the actual broadcast.
00:12:46.000I took this idea to Dave and I said, we need to come up with something that can download a media file that I program somehow, like this is going to show up, and then it downloads it and only tells me when it's there and I can click on it and it plays immediately.
00:13:03.000He didn't exactly understand what I was saying.
00:13:06.000He probably thought, fucking MTV guy, get the fuck out of here.
00:13:09.000In fact, that's exactly what he thought.
00:13:12.000And then I actually demonstrated to him what I wanted to do in his own software.
00:13:18.000And he said, okay, I'm going to do this.
00:13:22.000But only on the condition you never, ever, ever fucking use my software again, because that was horrible, what you just did.
00:13:28.000And so we created the enclosure element in RSS. And so for two years, we were doing back and forth, you know, like movie files and stuff, and oh, click, and it would open up, and the experience was good, until I saw my first iPod.
00:13:42.000A friend of mine said, oh, look at this.
00:13:43.000I'm like, oh, this is the white one with the big click, click, click, click, the big wheel on it.
00:14:42.000Now, not being a programmer, actually Kevin Marks, the guy who was working at Apple, sent me a version of the script that actually worked that was helpful.
00:14:49.000And I set about creating a radio show, which we didn't have the name podcast yet, and I wanted to be able to talk to developers, software developers, who could create receivers.
00:15:03.000So we had iPodder, iPodder X, iPodder Lemon, all these different applications which kind of did the same thing.
00:15:11.000And because I was talking to developers, I called it the daily source code.
00:15:15.000So I did every day, and source code is kind of what the developers work in.
00:15:19.000And I was really talking to them, like, okay, well, the guys over in New Zealand, they've created this version of the app and it's really working well.
00:15:26.000And we discovered all kinds of crazy shit, like...
00:15:29.000You subscribe to a feed because no one had thought it through.
00:15:34.000We would try and download everything you had in that feed all at once.
00:15:37.000So I was trying to download 50 episodes.
00:15:39.000And we still had kind of always-on internet.
00:16:02.000Now, Ben Hammersley from The Guardian years earlier had actually used the term podcast somewhere in an article, which there was no podcasting at the time, but he envisioned that and called it podcast.
00:17:37.000But first, he's mad, he's fucking pissed off, and he's yelling about, they fucked up Wi-Fi!
00:17:42.000And I learned later that his plan always for the iPhone was to not be a cell phone, but to use Wi-Fi networks around the world.
00:17:54.000And because, you know, Cisco or whoever had changed the way Wi-Fi works and the way the authentication works, that it really wouldn't be that seamless.
00:18:11.000And then he was talking about, oh no, Eddie Q says, yeah, you know, the RAA called and they got a problem with how we're able to, you know, record sounds on the Mac, you know, breaking any kind of encryption.
00:18:23.000And I said, oh, yeah, it's actually kind of important because in order to record stuff, we're using like Audio Hijack Pro and all these different kinds of tools.
00:18:31.000And I said, ma, I hope they don't do that because it's kind of important for production.
00:20:54.000And then he sent me an email later, and he said, I'm going to introduce you to some people in venture capital, Kleiner Perkins, Sequoia Capital, which I kind of took as the thank you.
00:21:04.000And I went on to raise a lot of money from those companies to build my podcast network.
00:22:48.000I think they thought for the longest time that it was just this thing that people did that was no big deal, and then it's become so enormous, but they still have this model that they're operating under, that it's just they're just aggregating.
00:24:31.000And she was going to be on Kimmel, and I'm like, oh, I'll stay up and watch that.
00:24:35.000She was second guest, which kind of sucks, because you get first guest, you know, and then a bit and all that.
00:24:40.000And there was literally, before she came on, it was six minutes of ads, then a native ad in the studio for Dee's Nuts, then another five minutes of ads.
00:24:49.000It was 12 minutes of commercials, and Schlesinger was on for five minutes!
00:24:59.000I mean, the existing media, because of just the structure that's in place, the ratings game that probably isn't really reality, but it's an approved methodology.
00:25:14.000That's still there, but there's a reason why you get Tulsi Gabbard and Bernie Sanders and people want to come on your show because you speak to an entire generation.
00:25:22.000My daughter is like, holy shit, my friends are all telling me that you're going to be on Rogan.
00:25:29.000She never, never talks to me about any of that stuff.
00:26:25.000Some people are sticklers for it, and I always find them to be annoying.
00:26:28.000So what I liked so much is that comedians gravitated toward it and said, okay, we can be funny and we can do stuff that isn't necessarily our jokes that are going to get ripped off.
00:26:39.000Because I think for the longest time, comedians would be like, I don't want to be on the internet.
00:26:43.000I'm not putting my shit out there because people will steal my jokes.
00:27:06.000We all kind of talk about it, that networks, if you think of a network like NBC or whatever, you think of, it's a controlled network with executives and shareholders, and then there's commercials.
00:27:18.000There's all these different standards that you have to apply to.
00:27:25.000We're on Tuesday at 8, and these guys are on Thursday at 7, and all that shit.
00:27:29.000So I made that same mistake, thinking that I could build a podcast network and run it kind of like a hybrid network record company, and raised a lot of money to do it, too.
00:27:41.000First mistake is that the VC guys, they wanted us to be in San Francisco.
00:27:45.000Who the fuck builds a media company in San Francisco?
00:29:11.000Comedians always suffered from famine syndrome because there was only a few shows on television and we were all trying to be on a sitcom or you were all trying to be the host of a late night show and there was only a handful of those.
00:30:28.000But the way we started it out, with no thought whatsoever of it ever being profitable...
00:30:33.000That's why it became what it is, because it was all like doing giant bong hits and hitting all this vaporizer and literally not even knowing what you're talking about while you're talking half the time and having fun with a bunch of silly people.
00:30:44.000It was part of the appeal because everybody wants to be at the party.
00:32:51.000You know, I talked to Chuck Liddell, who is the UFC light heavyweight champion, and he told me that Dancing with the Stars was one of the hardest things he ever did.
00:34:32.000The problem is the joking around about it while death is happening.
00:34:36.000It's a disturbing and very unwinnable situation because the feral hog problem is so big, particularly in Texas, that they lose millions of dollars in crops every year.
00:36:08.000When I go elk hunting, we'll dress it in the field and quarter it, but then I'll send it to a butcher to get it chopped up in different cuts.
00:36:38.000When I was in Utah last September and I shot this elk, not only do these guys pray for the elk, everyone takes their hat off, but they actually take a wad of grass that the elk eat and they make like a bundle of it and they put it down on the elk carcass when we're done.
00:38:13.000They've actually been known when people do psychedelic ceremonies and they go outside of their yurts to pee, caribou will knock them over to try to get to their urine because their urine is rich with the smell of this mushroom.
00:40:45.000See, in the early 1900s, when they were making these, and even in the 1800s, people were just more connected to the origins of these stories.
00:44:22.000You don't really realize it until you're closing the sliding door, you're opening it up, and you're not thinking, shit, is someone going to get out?
00:46:47.000So the other investors who come in won't be left holding the bag.
00:46:52.000So, you know, you do the IPO and then all the insiders sell their shares and everyone who just bought at the IPO, then all their shit goes down in value and they're screwed.
00:48:33.000So she wanted to be in that general area, so it just wasn't working for me.
00:48:37.000And then I did a tour from Virginia down to Florida, the Gulf Coast, for the show with an RV, doing the show from the RV, meeting people, doing meetups.
00:48:49.000And it was just around the time when you had the BP oil spill in the Gulf.
00:48:55.000And so people were really depressed, and it was all messy, and it was not a good vibe.
00:49:00.000And I was going to go straight up to Chicago.
00:49:03.000And a buddy of mine, Greg Lawley, who was one of the true last independent record promoters who I'd known from San Francisco, and I knew him from Chicago back from the radio days, and he said, oh, Adam, come to Austin.
00:49:24.000And he just kept pushing and pushing as I'm driving up, and then he says, or I thought to myself, Greg is flamboyantly gay, single dad, adopted a kid from Ukraine, and if he's in Texas and he's still alive, it can't be that bad.
00:52:48.000Now we're kind of following what California, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Portland, Seattle, you know, we're following the let people camp everywhere thing.
00:53:01.000You know, it's based upon, it all comes from a lawsuit in Boise, Idaho.
00:53:07.000And that's where this started, where – and first it went through the Fifth Circuit and then the Ninth Circuit Court.
00:53:13.000There was an appeal that said you cannot move people who are camping without having a suitable place for them to stay that you can offer them because then it is a violation of the Eighth Amendment under cruel and unusual punishment.
00:53:28.000That's why – and that's what Austin said.
00:53:29.000Well, until that's solved, it's cruel and unusual punishment to move someone who's – homeless or not – move someone who's camping – I think?
00:53:41.000So these people are just camping on sidewalks there, just like they do here?
00:54:07.000Then they went, uh-oh, this is not going to work, Mayor Adler and City Council, so okay, we'll ban it just in downtown, which is pretty much where the mayor lives, you know, the W Hotel, no camping in front of City Hall.
00:54:22.000But we're a university town, so you've got UT, and there's this whole half of a semicircle of camping and just mayhem right on the outskirts of the campus.
01:01:00.000I was seeing shit in there that was way different about you can incarcerate people.
01:01:05.000Deadly force by the cops would be legalized.
01:01:08.000None of this is really what's happening over here.
01:01:12.000At the same time, I read a book called – I'm just going to give you the background to get into the money part – called Legacy of Ashes by New York Times writer David Weiner, I think.
01:01:25.000And it was about the CIA, and my uncle appears in this book multiple times, my uncle Don Gregg, who was a big, big guy in the CIA for a long time.
01:01:34.000And I called him up and said, Don, have you read this?
01:04:07.000Lawyers, doctors, nurses, teachers, college professors, tons of military, lots of spooks and three-letter, you know, CDC, also kind of a spook agency.
01:04:19.000There's all kinds of crazy people who really, I think, enjoy when we talk about what they're doing.
01:04:25.000And so they love to let you know, and it may be anonymous, you know, like, hey, man, don't mention my name, but, you know, here's – and that just grew.
01:04:34.000And now, 13 years later, we're feeding two families, and we're very, very happy.
01:05:22.000I'm really a professional information manager, and I've built a whole bunch of systems specifically for that.
01:05:27.000I just get stuff coming in, coming in.
01:05:30.000And we like to deconstruct the media, so we'll play anywhere from 30 to 50 little news clips in a three-hour show and then just deconstruct it.
01:09:04.000Unless you rig the listening side, which is kind of what Apple did, and have statistics there, which no one has, there's no way to actually know who's listening.
01:09:14.000But for us, it's like, can I pay the mortgage?
01:10:47.000It's been a weird ride for us noticing how much more outrage people get at things today than they did just a few years ago.
01:10:53.000And targeted outrage where people just decide that, you know, they're going to start attacking you for something that used to be normal to say.
01:16:00.000He's, I forget, he was having a discussion online about something, and someone said, I bet I, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, something to that regard, like, I bet I sleep with more women than you do, to which he writes, okay, dude.
01:21:50.000No, I've known it because I got twitches and things.
01:21:54.000MTV was great for me because the segments were like a minute and a half, and I can control it for a minute and a half.
01:22:00.000But, you know, I'm always like, typically I can see out of the corner of my eyes, like, not here, but okay, they got Joe on screen, so I can do all my things.
01:22:42.000You know, I can be, like, ticking away, and, like, no one sees me, you know?
01:22:46.000Oftentimes, if I'm doing a long thing, I mean, I'll just be, like, completely screw my eyes shut wide, and I'll be into it, and no one can see that.
01:24:02.000It's not like, well, in Austin they've actually, they haven't really decriminalized, but they're like the cops are, I mean, you know, they really can't get away with letting people steal and rob and do crazy shit on the street.
01:24:15.000You know, it's like here in California, you can steal up to $950 and then also go busting people for weed.
01:24:21.000So they've really got better things to do, so they're not really making a problem out of it, but...
01:24:25.000But it's still a problem if someone wants to find a reason to arrest you.
01:24:33.000It's just sad that Texas, which is one of the most free places in the world, you can have a fucking giraffe in your backyard and you can't smoke a joint.
01:26:27.000I mean, once the EU came into play and they had to harmonize and become the same as all the countries around it, which is not actually true because Portugal...
01:27:00.000I never thought we'd have a heroin uptick in this country.
01:27:03.000When I was a kid, everybody thought of heroin as the stuff that killed Jimi Hendrix and stay the fuck away from it, and people overdose, and then they die.
01:27:10.000Once you start shooting a needle, boy, you fucked up.
01:28:08.000You're not stopping people from doing it because these people, there's a giant percentage of them that are doing stuff that a pharmaceutical company made that they got illegally, now they're selling illegally.
01:28:18.000They've become drug dealers, whether it's the cartels or other people.
01:28:50.000So many industries pale in comparison.
01:28:53.000I mean, HSBC was literally laundering the money from Mexico with drug dealers just coming up on the Mexican side, throwing millions of dollars a day into the deposit.
01:30:38.000Is the vaping from marijuana with their processes more problematic than vaping of tobacco?
01:30:45.000Well, it certainly was in that case because if someone changed the formula, then you need to have some oil in there in order to keep it liquid and just for it to be able to go into the vape and not be a hardened piece.
01:30:58.000So the issue was actually the vitamin E oil?
01:31:54.000Literally, the amount of effort you put, if you watch a good player, the amount of effort they put really accurately depicts how many revolutions of the cue ball after it's colliding with the object ball.
01:32:07.000And you get more sensitive to that when you're high.
01:32:29.000The tobacco industry had a real issue.
01:32:32.000And that also comes back to the states because there's this master agreement that was put in place decades ago that tobacco companies would pay a percentage of their sales to all states to pre-compensation for whatever fucked up shit people get from smoking tobacco.
01:32:51.000And all these states wrote big bonds against that money.
01:32:55.000And so when the income from the tobacco companies was decreasing significantly because of vaping, All of a sudden, the states are going, especially this one, what the fuck?
01:38:19.000The bill has been stopped, but now they're still trying to push through A bill that will help the tobacco companies even more by outlawing any type of flavored e-cigarettes or juice liquid.
01:38:45.000We have the new product we've all been waiting for.
01:38:48.000Right at the moment that vaping is going to kill you, it's hooking children because of flavors.
01:38:53.000So do you think they're hiring people to write news stories and the news organizations are picking you up because they're being told to do this?
01:39:42.000Because it is a controversial subject and it would be a good subject for television because it would get a lot of people paying attention to it.
01:39:48.000It would get a lot of ratings if you have a lot of stories about over-medication of children.
01:40:03.000I have to turn off the sound these days because I'm sure that I'm being blanketed with so many ads that eventually I'm going to get Propecia.
01:40:11.000Eventually I'm going to get high blood pressure.
01:40:55.000Yeah, which documentary was it that had a description about the United States saying that we are one of two countries in the world that allows advertising?
01:44:25.000So, someone needs to make a documentary.
01:44:27.000That is a crazy little sneaky move, or at least a YouTube video.
01:44:32.000It's a multi-billion dollar scam propagated against multiple states in the United States and free choice of consumers all to protect an industry that essentially we're trying to get away with with vaping.
01:44:46.000Because I've been an addicted smoker all my life.
01:44:49.000Smoked cigarettes from at least 15 probably earlier.
01:44:53.000Then luckily got into weed and been smoking all my life pretty much.
01:44:59.000But I still would roll it with tobacco, which does give you an extra delivery mechanism, an extra kind of kick.
01:45:09.000But then I would just, from time to time, just smoke one, a cigarette.
01:45:12.000First of all, chemicals and all kinds of bullshit is in there.
01:47:44.000I said, oh, I don't even realize that.
01:47:47.000So I went to an audiologist, and lo and behold, my grandmother on my dad's side was completely deaf almost from her teens.
01:47:56.000So I have some of this, but it's been okay.
01:47:59.000Only as you get older, everything, the levels, you know, to see like here's a level where you can hear everything, and I was already kind of there, so now it's just due to age, just everything goes down a bit.
01:48:10.000And so I'm missing 1K and 1 kilohertz.
01:49:09.000So the hearing aids give you a different kind of sound?
01:49:11.000Well, so today's hearing aid is not your grandpa's geriatric, brown, goopy-looking piece of shit that makes you look like just a total moron.
01:49:35.000These have 35 channels of compressor limiter, multiple settings.
01:49:40.000It's an in-ear, so it goes right into my ear.
01:49:44.000I still have a little bleed through from the outside world, but usually an audiologist sticks this thing in your ear and makes you do all the tests.
01:49:52.000And then they'll sit there and they'll sit across from you and they're going to program it so that you can then hear You have to be a trained professional.
01:50:01.000It's very hard to fix someone who has never heard what is proper.
01:50:07.000Now, I'm a little different, and I'm also way into sound.
01:53:36.000You can do, like, if you're driving with directions with the maps, then you can just be talking and in your ear all of a sudden it's like, let the light turn right.
01:54:07.000But that's how they're going to get us.
01:54:09.000When the first dude gets his legs removed for artificial carbon fiber legs that you can feel but that can run 60 miles an hour, when the first guy gets his legs removed in favor of new legs, that's when we're going to go, holy shit.
01:54:24.000Whenever I tell my radio buddies about my hearing aids, they're always like, oh, that's fucking cool.
01:56:19.000I had no idea until, you know, we have a new relationship, you know, so we've been living together for a couple years, and luckily, you know, we're completely open and honest, like, hey, is this fucked up?
01:56:30.000It's so cool that that exists, though.
01:56:33.000I mean, that's an elegant solution, and for someone like you, it actually gives you a chance to tinker with shit, and I'm sure you really enjoy that aspect of it.
02:01:10.000And then the Trash 80, TRS-100, which was kind of a laptop on batteries.
02:01:16.000Vic-20, Commodore 64. So when this first started happening and you started going on Usenet and you started getting a taste of the internet, my experience was AOL. I picked up an Apple home computer from one of them office stores,
02:02:28.000So Gopher was basically the World Wide Web, only there was no web.
02:02:32.000And so you could log on to a terminal.
02:02:34.000And you could use a menu system, so basically with the arrow keys, but you go to the right, and you might be connecting to a different computer at a different university, i.e.
02:05:10.000Remember when using it, you would download from 15 different things and you'd get all these different files and you had a program that put it back together.
02:07:40.000And, you know, that was just the top ten of the day, but people had the idea that they were making a difference in the chart, which they weren't, because it was number one, can you guess what was number one requested every single day?
02:07:55.000And they, it was the biggest problem in MTV, so sometimes they just did, oh, they didn't make it on, gee, or we're not playing anything under number five today, oh, New Kids on the Block are six, gee.
02:09:13.000But through your show, you've introduced – I would say mainly the comedians has been the best.
02:09:21.000And thank God for Netflix and all this stuff that's happening.
02:09:24.000It's just – this is kind of the nucleus of it all.
02:09:27.000And it's a lot – it's interesting to be able to see and watch and this – I think comedians change the world when they're good at it and when they care, and I'm seeing more and more of it, and I like it.
02:09:39.000Maybe time for a little bit of pushback here and there.
02:09:42.000Yeah, I think what it is is we have a place where comedians can go and give you...
02:10:34.000Once someone like that becomes a topic and it's a subject that they can get clicks on and views and ratings, they'll just hound that poor girl.
02:12:44.000It's not a difficult formula that I employ, but I'll tell you guys if you listen, if you also float.
02:12:50.000When I get in there, I touch the sides to center myself so that I don't bounce against anything and distract myself because I'm floating, you know, and you drift into the wall sometimes.
02:12:59.000So I wait until the ripples die down because when you climb in, there's going to be like a little bit of ripplage, right?
02:13:04.000And then when you lay down, once the water gets still, then I let my hands go.
02:13:08.000And then I just think about breathing.
02:13:55.000Tina and I did a breathwork clinic, I forget what it was called, but it was like this tribal beat, and you had to continue to breathe to the beat, and one person would be watching you, and then you team up.
02:14:07.000We didn't team up together, but it was just like that.
02:14:10.000And then this beat is going, and then you do the breathwork, and then all of a sudden you go into a trance, and it's different for everybody.
02:14:16.000And I could fly, and that was my, and for just like 30 minutes, I'm just flying.
02:14:20.000And yet, right after you had to draw what you were doing, I mean, it's one of these...
02:14:43.000And, you know, people had different experiences.
02:14:45.000One woman who I was partnering with, her turn...
02:14:48.000And she just, and they had told me that she could get a little funky, and she just kind of got out of it and picked up a plastic bat next to her, which I had seen, but she starts hammering the pillow, like, really?
02:16:25.000I have no idea, but there was this famous jiu-jitsu guy named Hicks and Gracie, and he was famous for it.
02:16:31.000He was one of the first guys to incorporate yoga into martial arts, like really seriously, and he's the greatest Gracie of all time, right?
02:16:38.000There's this video from this movie, Choke, where he's sitting there in a lotus position, and he's doing this crazy shit with his stomach, and you can't even believe it's real.
02:18:14.000He would get some of the best black belts in the world, like a hundred of them in a room, and he would just, one after the other, tap them out.
02:18:23.000No, he's an older man now, and he teaches, and I know he still trains, and he's involved in these big seminars because his opinion is very, very respected because of his intense level of jiu-jitsu that he was able to achieve, but he literally had peaked.
02:18:39.000He figured something out to get way above everyone, and I think that had a lot to do with it.
02:18:44.000I think the yoga and the mindset and the meditation, his mind was strong.
02:18:49.000And then because of the yoga, his body was really flexible and really well-conditioned and contort in these amazing ways to achieve submissions.
02:18:58.000And then also his jiu-jitsu was so sharp.
02:19:01.000Like his family created it, and everything was polished.
02:19:05.000Everyone knew everything, the correct defense, the correct offense, where you never make mistakes, can't be in this position, always be here, abandon that and go to this.
02:19:15.000You have plan B, C, D, and you keep going with him.
02:20:21.000Judo was the original Japanese jiu-jitsu, and then it became Brazilian jiu-jitsu when the Brazilians legitimately changed it and altered it.
02:20:28.000And then there's submission grappling.
02:20:57.000And they come from Henzo Gracie's Academy in New York City, which is one of the greatest jiu-jitsu schools, like universally recognized ever.
02:21:04.000And it's this giant gym in Manhattan that is just...
02:21:08.000So many killers have come out of this one place.
02:21:11.000So that kid is probably the top of the food chain today out of everybody.
02:21:15.000But even his dominance is probably slightly different from Hickson's.
02:25:46.000And I think that was the moment where I'm like, I should definitely be careful what I say and to who I say it, and I should watch my mouth.
02:25:54.000But maybe that skewed me from that moment.
02:26:46.000I think, oh God, if I only known this 20 years ago.
02:26:50.000Yeah, the origin of your behavior is an interesting thing.
02:26:53.000The origin of your ideas and where you are now.
02:26:57.000You know, just the way we choose to behave about things is very strange, but anybody doing something like that to you when you're that age must have been an insanely traumatic experience.
02:27:11.000You wouldn't want to watch a sport version of that.
02:27:12.000I didn't even tell my parents about it.
02:27:31.000I think it should be taught just for peace.
02:27:33.000Whereas we seem to be going kind of the opposite direction with the general cultural education of young men, at least in the United States.
02:27:43.000I don't know if it's the same everywhere.
02:27:47.000Some of the nicest people I know are martial arts people because they have their ego in a good place in comparison to the general population.
02:34:36.000I mean, the initial idea is to, because of the angle and the pressure, your calves pump up, and that is deemed as more sexually attractive.
02:34:44.000In fact, I think it's pretty proven to work on men's attraction to women.
02:34:49.000Red lipstick is also part of the blush you have after orgasm, blush on your cheeks.
02:34:55.000All that stuff is sexual, and that's just exploited by a huge industry.
02:35:10.000I do, but imagine if it went the other way, and if men were the ones who somehow or another by our culture were tricked into wearing stilettos, and the higher the heel, the cooler you looked, the cuter you looked at the club.
02:35:21.000We have entire swaths of men tricked into putting a noose around their neck every single morning.
02:35:32.000Listen, you're coming from someone who said I wouldn't wear one because I know if I got a hold of someone's tie, I could choke them to death with it.
02:37:04.000Like, the way someone talks about, like, a really well-made, handmade shoe that you got from some Italian cobbler, and you're like, oh, I get it.
02:41:16.000Yeah, when you remember the birth of the internet, when you remember first getting on it and seeing the expansion, was there ever a moment, when was the moment, I should say, obviously now today we all realize it's out of control and it's just wild.
02:41:30.000It's a very strange thing that's taking over our lives.
02:41:33.000And then I want to talk about Neuralink too.
02:41:36.000I'm sure you know something about that.
02:41:43.000But when you saw it kind of getting away, when was the moment where you were like, this is a very strange thing that's never happened to people before?
02:41:55.000Well, I had the online part figured out because I ran a bulletin board.
02:42:59.000To get on the internet, you had to log in to a dial-up account, launch a PPP session, or SLIP, and then you had to launch the software on your computer, and then you could open a terminal, and you could type things like Telnet, and then a domain name,
02:44:27.000So he started to show me stuff, and he actually streamed a song from his workstation in San Francisco to my computer in Montclair, New Jersey, and it played.
02:45:37.000And it's classifieds, because they were all hoity-toity about the advertising model, but they were really making the money off the classified ads.
02:45:44.000Everybody knows it, everybody knew it, and that's what Craigslist, who tried to sell it to Tribune, was it Tribune?
02:51:40.000In advance, I'm rooting on this conspiracy.
02:51:42.000Their main boost was the acquisition of Keyhole.
02:51:45.000And this was a, you have to know the company In-Q-Tel, which is a venture capital company, which is the CIA's, it's not a secret, it's the CIA's, they would say, Our CIA venture capital company.
02:52:15.000And they kind of came into the system.
02:52:18.000If you look at the universities and the people involved and how they We're almost given some kind of prizes for things they did.
02:52:25.000I mean, there's an alternative story to the general narrative of how Google came to be.
02:52:32.000So I think there was a lot of intelligence people involved in this, involved in setting it up.
02:52:39.000And the psychology of Larry and Sergey...
02:52:44.000Some psychologists have analyzed, and I've listened to a lot of different people, is that they kind of become what their oppressor was to them.
02:52:53.000And it's not really, I don't think they're bad guys, but this is psychosis that happens if you grow up in some kind of stressed out situation.
02:53:01.000People who have been abused often abuse others.
02:53:05.000And so I think that's what's going on.
02:53:07.000The problem is, I love all the technology, I love what all these companies and everybody's doing, The business model is just fucking humanity.
02:53:30.000Do you think that there should be some sort of legislation that recognizes what data is and that they look at it in terms of like it's a commodity and saying like selling and buying and selling?
02:54:17.000The internet is, although no longer quite the same way with upstream and downstream being equal due to the cable companies and how they've implemented your personal connection, we can still do our own servers.
02:54:30.000It doesn't all have to be on YouTube, on Facebook, on Twitter.
02:55:39.000We can have all the joy And a lot of the downside, but there won't be a Twitter police, there'll be only your own little community, say, hey, we don't like this guy, we're just going to block you, or your whole community, or we would love to have you guys with us, and it can happen to us similarly.
02:55:56.000And that's how you build these networks, and eventually you connect to each other on the back end somehow anyway.
02:56:01.000How often do you think, I mean, how long do you think it's going to be before we're implementing augmented reality into our life in that way, in like a social media context?
02:56:13.000Because you kind of got augmented reality already with your ears.
02:56:16.000Yeah, so it would be unfair of me to say that it's...
02:56:22.000It's augmented in that it's enhancing.
02:56:25.000I have enhanced it in ways that are particular to me, but it's not some algorithm really determining things that I should hear.
02:56:34.000I'm in total control of how that works and how it sounds.
02:56:39.000I don't see the case for augmented reality.
02:58:06.000We're conditioned through horror movies for this.
02:58:09.000I mean, my favorite part of this script as it unravels was the Pope sneezing and coughing, like, oh my God, the Pope, he's in Italy, he has coronavirus.
02:58:17.000World War Z. And like, if the Pope dies, this will freak out the world.
02:58:21.000And so we talked about it on the show, we're waiting, like, oh my God.
02:58:24.000And today they announced, the Pope is fine, he's been tested, he does not have coronavirus, so thank God.
02:58:31.000I think this is, sadly, we're reacting in all the wrong ways.
02:58:36.000This is completely illogical, what's going on.
02:58:43.000It's the death rate and the amount of people who are infected that is misunderstood.
02:58:47.000And so people are just throwing numbers everywhere.
02:58:50.000And meanwhile, even the New England Journal of Medicine, which includes Dr. Fauci, who's on the team, and who's been around in this business for a long time through the Obama administration, Bush administration.
03:00:45.000Well, there are a lot of people in Congress right now trying to break the Patriot Act apart because this is the spying bill where the government can just spy on you, and we've been talking about some of that.