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00:04:13.000Like, this wasn't written by someone who was just, like, a normal person.
00:04:17.000This is a person who was freaking out in the most intense way.
00:04:21.000And so to me, that's what I love about it is it's, like, something about...
00:04:27.000How old it is and the distortions, the historical distortions, the warping of it, produce this kind of awesome glitched out mosaic of, if nothing else, human consciousness 5,000 years ago, where our minds were.
00:04:43.000That's trippy by itself, regardless of whether or not a person who could like graze the dead and walk on water was walking about.
00:04:50.000Just, holy shit, here's how people thought back then.
00:07:03.000I think the statement I'm paraphrasing was something to the effect of, there's other things that are more important, but it's still not cool to kick robots.
00:07:12.000Jesus Christ, that's a tattoo right there, man.
00:07:15.000It just shows you what'll happen when robots become alive, because those fucking traitors, those people that think that robots are alive and that they're us, those emotionless things that have no place in our world with power, they're supposed to be things that we control.
00:07:30.000As soon as you let them control themselves and you try to pretend they're a person, this is going to wipe it out.
00:07:45.000Yeah, and then they'll show it to you one day when some super sophisticated genius god robot sits you down on a couch and shows you you kicking these unbeknownst to you sentient robots.
00:07:55.000They were just trying to fucking figure out, what am I? What am I? They were like little babies and you're kicking them.
00:10:11.000But if it was easy to get by, if you could just get by, and then you could pursue other things, would that be better for society?
00:10:17.000And that was like what Andrew Yang was suggesting if this whole automation revolution took place and everything started getting automated and no one had a job anymore.
00:10:29.000There might be something to that now, even.
00:10:31.000The question is, what are you happy your taxes get used for?
00:10:37.000It's almost like you should be able to vote on that.
00:10:40.000The one thing that we don't get real direction on, in terms of what the country actually wants, but if we could all just individually vote on things like that.
00:11:58.000I don't know if you if you had this experience, but like I can remember sitting at my computer and pressing the button on Amazon where I wanted to buy something.
00:12:10.000And it's like, this isn't available right now.
00:13:31.000But it just shows you there's so many things in our society that are amazing, like grocery stores, like cell phones, like we can call each other.
00:13:46.000If an emergency happens and everyone wants to call at once, the cell phone system can't handle it.
00:13:52.000It's not like you have a phone and you can call anytime you want, and I have a phone and I can call anytime I want, and everyone in the world has a phone they can call anytime they want.
00:14:49.000I've been in a text message thread with Whitney Cummings and Nick Swartzen and Chris D'Elia, and we're talking about that very thing right now, like how to do it and how to set up a fund.
00:16:11.000I went through a period of doing ketamine and trying to watch the worst thing, like Charles Manson, Kaczynski, and yeah, it is a little bit kind of interestingly, not that off,
00:16:27.000but then the tone is so imperial or something when you're reading it.
00:16:31.000It's a manifesto, that's how you have to write it, you know?
00:16:34.000But the one thing, my wife is part of like, it's called a mommy group.
00:16:40.000So it's like a connection online of all these mommies and like all over LA. And what they do is they post, people will post shit they need.
00:16:49.000So like, one of the moms just had a kid, they don't have any wet wipes.
00:16:54.000And so then all the other moms will be like, oh, we've got wet wipes.
00:16:57.000And then right now they're just leaving them on the door.
00:17:01.000So it's like, I think the community thing is exactly right, but also people have to maybe transcend money for a second and figure out ways to set up in their community, like, what do you need?
00:17:15.000And then start some form of, like, trade or just giving people, you know, there was someone who set up a toilet paper exchange in L.A., Where he was just like, if you have extra toilet paper, bring it.
00:17:27.000And then he had toilet paper and he was just giving it out to people who are...
00:17:30.000I think that's the sort of thing we're going to have to start doing if we can.
00:17:36.000It's like right now there's old people who...
00:18:28.000I mean, it's only a thin piece of metal and glass separating you from these people.
00:18:32.000With that, there's the other added factor of the heightened senses, because you're driving fast, you realize you might have to make quick movements, so dumb things people do are elevated.
00:18:53.000It's like something – it's like a fungus that grew on the circuitry of society and started – or it's like when they talk about the – Dolphins and the whales being fucked up by the high-tech sonar they're using and washing up on the beach because the sonar is messing up their ability to communicate with each other.
00:19:12.000It's like there's this kind of technological sonar that has completely made us disconnected from the Earth, essentially.
00:19:21.000Like, our Earth connection has been replaced by a technological connection.
00:19:26.000Now, technology comes from the Earth, but we're talking about a secondary thing compared to You know, your feet touching the ground, being around another human and, like, recognizing them as having exactly the same thing you have, which is they want to be happy.
00:19:42.000You know, feeling the connection between people when you're with someone.
00:19:46.000I mean, I don't know if you've ever done that, but just like the next time you're around anybody that you're, like, buying shit from or that you normally just kind of go buy, feel that connection.
00:19:56.000There's an energetic connection that you can feel there that's easy to overlook.
00:20:01.000Yeah, we've lost the biggest one, which is through light pollution.
00:20:05.000I think every night people were humbled and reminded of the majesty of the universe when they looked up and saw the infinite skies on a clear night.
00:20:58.000It's forever and you're not protected.
00:21:00.000There's just a thin layer of gas between you and the universe which is infinite.
00:21:07.000You're this tiny little speck of nothingness in this impossible to understand spans of planets and stars that just goes on forever, literally forever.
00:21:20.000And we're one little tiny piece of it and we're being held here with a spin and some air.
00:21:28.000And there's a giant fucking fireball in the sky that keeps us alive.
00:21:33.000And it's a million times bigger than the earth.
00:23:59.000One big dose for people to recognize how much of what they concentrate on a daily basis, how much of what fills their consciousness is shit.
00:24:10.000We got tricked into thinking it would go on forever, and now we know it's not going to.
00:24:14.000Now we know, hey, look, this is a terrible thing, but relatively speaking, Compared to supervolcano, asteroid impact, compared to something solar flare, something really crazy that can happen and blow out all the power,
00:24:38.000And for people to not recognize that and just go through their life, it's just because we look at life as if what we've experienced while we're alive is the norm.
00:24:52.000It's just hard for you to recognize that your life is so short.
00:24:56.000Your life is so short that when they're measuring all the different catastrophes that have happened over the earth, whether it's proven sites of asteroid impacts or proven sites of volcano eruptions or all these different things that have happened for sure and wiped out millions of people all over the world,
00:25:13.000they happen over a time span that's too big.
00:25:18.000Our head doesn't go, what is 13,000 years is just some scratches on some paper in my head, my stupid head, I don't know what 13,000 years means.
00:26:30.000So if they're banning fireplaces because they don't want to start fires, that's great as long as you can ensure the gas and the power is going to stay on.
00:26:54.000To say this is how things are every day is so dumb.
00:26:58.000It's especially to say in terms of the earth, natural disasters, space anomalies, not even anomalies, things that happen, like solar flares.
00:27:56.000It's like all you motherfuckers who think you have power, who think you have all this control.
00:28:02.000It's like we don't like I guarantee of course like in ancient Egypt there was probably I'm not talking about the Pharaoh, but there's at least like a thousand dudes who are like I'm like the hot shit in Egypt and they're gonna remember me for a long time and It's like we don't know who you are.
00:28:21.000And this to me is like one of the really side effects of this thing, this technology thing, is we've all become completely self-obsessed, self-absorbed, putting our images out there, making sure that our profiles are updated.
00:28:38.000We're so deeply rooted in our identity instead of in the connections between our identities that the only way that we can finally see how connected we are is some motherfucker eats a bat.
00:29:03.000If technology really did have an effect on the programming of human beings, and if human beings interacting with technology think we're innocently interacting with a non-sentient thing, but all the while...
00:29:18.000This technology, and you could call, we get confused when we think the technology is like a digital clock or a television or a computer.
00:29:27.000It is, but it's also like a fish hook.
00:29:34.000And imagine creating an ape that is aware of its environment like this is like really the perfect storm aware of its environment but obsessed with itself Knows in the back of its head that it's it's temporary that it's a it's it's got a finite lifespan But lives like it's gonna live forever and lives in the moment lives in the moment and And wants to acquire things.
00:30:03.000It seems the number one goal for the uber-wealthy or the uber-successful, the Jeff Bezos-type characters, right, who are on the top of the food chain financially, they want to acquire things.
00:30:15.000They're always acquiring things, which means people have to make things, which means they're a big consumer as well as someone who is making a shit ton of money.
00:30:27.000And this also fuels innovation, because you've got to keep up with these people.
00:30:31.000You've got to keep giving them bigger and better things every year.
00:30:35.000All these resources go into innovation of technology.
00:30:40.000It's the thing that progresses quicker than anything.
00:30:55.000The goal is to make better shit and the goal along the way of like this goal is it's working, but you know be even better if we've made it so they don't touch each other anymore.
00:31:04.000Maybe if we could come up with a disease where they can't shake hands, they don't come close, and yeah, just keep them a little further apart from each other.
00:31:13.000It'll make them more interested in the things, more interested in the technology, more separate from each other, and encourage technology that connects them with each other.
00:31:22.000So through technology, They'll find this human longing for contact that they've been missing in their life.
00:31:30.000They're going to get an emulated version of it, but that emulated version of it is going to keep getting better, and it's going to keep getting better, and it's going to get to a point where it's better than real life, way better than real life, because you're like Jumanji.
00:32:28.000Of something like this, anytime a tragedy happens, people bond together afterwards.
00:32:34.000It's a terrible thing that it happened for the victims and the family members of the victims.
00:32:39.000We all know this, but it can be a good reset for us.
00:32:45.000Economically, people are going to have to get through it.
00:32:46.000That's going to be the most difficult part.
00:32:47.000But I think there's there's gonna be an opportunity for us to just assume a nicer stance towards our neighbors and towards our friends and towards our community and Instead of embracing this idea like better get guns because they're coming.
00:33:02.000Maybe we can all come together I think people need to find if they're that's gonna happen then We've got to find a better metric for whether things are right or wrong than the news.
00:33:18.000We need something to retune ourselves.
00:33:22.000Right now, we're tuning the guitar of our identities to the most terrifying shit, which is the news or what people are saying.
00:33:33.000I think many people have become so accustomed To getting their idea of what's happening in reality from the TV instead of from like how they feel inside, what's going on with their friends and their family.
00:33:47.000That puts people at an incredible disadvantage, because their pond is being rippled by shit.
00:33:54.000You know, I was thinking, it's like, what are those little, not prairie dogs, they stand and look around at the hawks, you know what I'm talking about?
00:35:16.000That's an incredibly vulnerable place to be.
00:35:19.000I mean, I'm not going to get conspiratorial here, but If I was the artificial intelligence and I was about to hit the switch and become sentient, I would want to remove the threat of human beings as much as possible before I hit the switch.
00:37:14.000I'm fucking terrified of those things.
00:37:16.000Just the idea that someone made something that can eat people.
00:37:19.000Well listen folks, the technology that existed in like early cell phones, right?
00:37:24.000Like if someone made an early Motorola phone with a camera.
00:37:27.000All that stuff got into everything now.
00:37:30.000There's so many things that can take pictures now and so many phones that can take pictures.
00:37:34.000If they develop one robot and one proof of concept where something could be fueled on dead bodies, you don't think other people are going to make those too?
00:37:43.000You don't think they're going to get better?
00:37:45.000And then when we do go to war with the robots and there's big giant bulletproof metal ones just eating us and using us as fuel, we're going to be like, what have we done?
00:37:55.000We've created a thing that eats people.
00:37:58.000And even if it's just the baby right now, that thing could evolve to become something that literally is the thing of nightmares in a Stephen King movie.
00:39:01.000See, I just think people don't understand that like there's this idea that the world leaders are just, you know, humanists and that they have our, you know, the interest of humanity is the first thing they're thinking about when they wake up every day.
00:39:17.000We don't know that some of them aren't interested in the same thing.
00:39:21.000Every conquering warlord has been interested, which is like, maybe we could take over the planet.
00:39:29.000And, you know, imagine if you ended up president of the United States or, like, president of Russia, president of any powerful wherever.
00:39:38.000You know, maybe when you're high one night, I don't know if they get high, but I would, you know, or maybe when you're like, just like thinking, wouldn't it flicker through your mind kind of like, I wonder if there would be a way to take over the world.
00:39:50.000I wonder if there's a way that I could Become the king of Earth.
00:39:56.000Because, you know, when you look up there in the sky, I'm sure there's many Earths out there that have one king, one ruler, someone who conquered the entire planet, someone who figured out a way to do it, to like, just, why couldn't you?
00:41:03.000No matter what The revolutionary idea gets out there that anybody has.
00:41:11.000The contagion of the revolutionary idea is easily warped and twisted by people who have other ideas that run counter to that.
00:41:21.000It's so easy to confuse people who believe that Twitter, Instagram, CNN, Fox News, Drudge Report, Wall Street Journal, New York Times is an accurate metric of what's happening on the planet.
00:41:34.000That's not very many information streams, man.
00:41:38.000How hard would it be to infiltrate all the information streams in some small way and gradually start warping them so that people become more open to the idea of being constantly surveilled, constantly monitored, and not speaking up about it?
00:41:55.000Because if you speak up about it, then you're a conspiracy theorist.
00:41:58.000I got another way of looking at it that I've been thinking.
00:42:05.000What if instead of this being like some grand conspiracy by the robots or by the elites, what if this is just how systems go when one thing gets too big, is in too much power,
00:42:22.000there's no longer a struggle to survive, it's reached some stagnant point biologically in some sort of weird way.
00:42:31.000And also maybe even without, for lack of a better word, spiritually stagnant, right?
00:42:37.000I mean, some people are breaking through and realizing who they are and their connection to other people, but globally, God, there's a lot of people that are sleepwalking out there.
00:42:48.000Sleepwalking hypnotized by technology and society and this is this is their big wake-up call right now What if this all this even materialism right even our obsession with technology?
00:43:01.000Maybe like if you look at all the systems that exist In the universe, and particularly all the biological systems that exist on Earth, some of them are so spectacular, you're like, what?
00:43:14.000Like, have you ever seen, like, leafcutter ants when they take their buildings and they pour cement in them, and they realize there's these fermentation chambers, and they ferment the leaves in there, there's air holes out to the Earth, and there's all these fucking tunnels, and there's this crazy, elaborate city structure that's created by these ants.
00:43:33.000Well, there's all these systems that take place all over the Earth.
00:43:38.000If there's too much plants, then the insects evolve.
00:43:43.000If there's too many insects, the plants evolve.
00:43:45.000All these things happen to sort of keep some sort of a balance.
00:43:50.000Ideas that infect people, the dumb ones that are so intoxicated.
00:43:54.000Think about what's some of the most intoxicating shit.
00:43:57.000I mean intoxicating meaning that you're not even really getting pleasure out of it, but you can't look away.
00:44:01.000It's like some of the dumbest reality television, right?
00:44:15.000What if the grand conspiracy is, it's not robots, it's not people, it's life is trying to get rid of you.
00:44:22.000Life is making it easier to survive, which makes you soft as fuck, which makes you compliant to anything that keeps you in that sort of soft, comfortable state.
00:44:37.000And all the while, it's just the world.
00:44:40.000It's the universe plotting against us because there's too many of us and we fucked up and we have too much power and we're obviously doing shit to the earth that we shouldn't be doing.
00:44:50.000Like, look what we're doing to the ocean.
00:45:21.000Let's get them obsessed with themselves.
00:45:23.000Let's make the predominant thing that people spend their time on not reading books, not fucking walking alone with their thoughts, but staring at these pictures of other people's photos.
00:46:00.000Here's a nuclear reactor you can't shut down.
00:46:03.000And then you try to figure out Whether or not we're going to be able to use our amazing intellect to bypass our own biological switches that have us connected to this bullshit life.
00:46:18.000We have a lot of weird, dumb, biological switches that were put in place back when we had to survive against incoming hordes of soldiers.
00:47:09.000If you're an atheist, which, you know...
00:47:13.000I get that and I think there must be some like deep Do you know any atheists that have done like a real blowout psychedelic session?
00:47:21.000No, I know a couple and those those are the most puzzling to me because the guy people have done like real blowout mushroom sessions or blowout DMT sessions I always think that they would leave the door open to the impossible because it is impossible and you experienced it.
00:47:38.000It's not like Even if you're imagining it, I couldn't imagine that.
00:47:44.000How am I imagining something in such incredible, vivid color and detail and knowledge and love and all these different things you experience in that state?
00:47:55.000The fact that that is accessible at all, I don't care if it's through a molecule or through a yoga session, I don't care how it's accessible, but the fact that that's accessible at all leaves open to me the I don't know, because I didn't know that that was a thing.
00:48:12.000So once I've experienced that, I'm like, oh, well, all this flat plane of existence that we take for granted, that we think this is everything around us, this is the whole environment we have to worry out for, this might be just one fucking stage on the radio dial of experiences and of dimensions that are interacting with us.
00:48:31.000We just don't have the senses to tune into them.
00:48:33.000And when you can, for me at least, it leaves open the door for who the fuck knows?
00:49:26.000I don't know if you've ever been around a dying person, but suddenly they're back in Vietnam, they're in the 50s, they're in the 30s, whatever their lifetime.
00:49:37.000Which means that when you're dying, you're gonna spin through time too.
00:49:42.000Meaning that this could be you dying right now, spinning backwards through time.
00:49:50.000You know, this is the main thing about it is that when we die, according to this, we sort of spend like 39 days, I think it is, in a place called the Bardo, which is essentially like what it's like to have no body but still have this like...
00:50:09.000It's basically like your karma, your identity sort of propelling you through, and that's how you get your next incarnation.
00:50:19.000What we're dealing with here is so bizarre and surreal that It easily could just be a dream state that one of these vast AIs that already exist is having.
00:50:35.000It's like running a simulation of a pandemic.
00:50:38.000Or maybe this is a way that an AI gets polished.
00:50:42.000Maybe we're an AI that's being polished and taught.
00:50:46.000Through this process of having a limited incarnation, you've got to have that so that there's a reason for us to actually invest ourselves in stuff.
00:50:55.000Like if we were gods, if we lived for a million years, eventually we wouldn't have such a passionate relationship, I think, with the world.
00:51:03.000So you need that to train the thing up so it takes it seriously.
00:51:07.000You have to put the setting on mortal.
00:51:09.000Then maybe you just run a series of tests on the thing.
00:51:26.000But if we were being like sort of, I don't know how you put it, groomed, evolved, Intentionally, then every single moment in an individual's life and in the planet's life of history could be looked at as a training or an upgrade.
00:51:42.000This could be an operating system upgrade.
00:51:44.000This could be what an operating system upgrade looks like in the biocomputer that we exist in.
00:51:52.000And that's what's happening right now, is we're being, like, upgraded for some reason, even though it's terrifying and obviously horrific, you know?
00:52:03.000Anyway, the whole point is, man, this thing that we're in right now, Whether or not there's a God, we just...
00:52:10.000I think an atheist gets to lean into the idea that when they close their eyes and breathe their last breath, it stops.
00:52:17.000And I just think that's a big gamble, man.
00:52:20.000And I don't mean because you go to hell.
00:52:21.000I mean, how nice would that be if it just stopped?
00:52:25.000When more than likely, at least in this Tibetan yoga of dreaming and sleep, more than likely what happens is way before you actually die, when you get really sick, You already start waking up into your next life.
00:52:39.000You just go through a weird dream-like state called the bardo, where you freak the fuck out, and then you're suddenly alive in another being, completely oblivious to whatever your past incarnations were.
00:53:57.000And when you're young, particularly if you're young and you don't have a lot of guidance, which was me when I was younger, it takes a while to figure it out.
00:54:04.000Because you're just running on your own, right?
00:54:07.000You're not getting a lot of direction to how to live your life.
00:54:11.000And I moved around a lot too, which really didn't help.
00:54:14.000But as you get older, you start getting a better sense of what makes sense and what doesn't make sense and what's important and what's not important and what fucks up your life and what enhances your life.
00:54:23.000But you don't live long enough to really get it down.
00:54:26.000See, if these people like David Sinclair or Aubrey de Grey, all these anti-aging geniuses that are out there that are working on all these solutions to extend human life, if they ever really nail it, if they ever really nail it, You know,
00:54:42.000if David Sinclair comes up with something and you can live 150, 250 years, by the time you're 150 years old, you're going to have so much less bullshit in your life.
00:54:53.000You're going to realize, like, when you're 30, you'll date crazy people.
00:54:57.000You'll have moron friends that you have to bail out of jail.
00:55:01.000But when you get older, you start going, look, I see what's good for me and I see what's not good for me.
00:55:06.000You know, and I see there's some people that are not willing to change and they're not trying to do better.
00:55:11.000They're just consistently making the same mistakes over and over again and dragging everyone down around them.
00:55:16.000You just gotta move on from people like that in your life.
00:55:19.000When you're 150, man, you're not gonna be tolerating anything.
00:55:24.000You're just gonna only have cool people that you hang out with and we'll attract each other and then we'll be able to work together on things knowing that each other Are sane and rational and are looking at these things honestly.
00:55:38.000They're not talking from a position of trying to convince you of their virtue or trying to talk you in a position of doing something that will benefit them financially.
00:55:47.000They're doing it just because they're just being in the moment and honest and being a human being.
00:56:19.000You know, you know, but I the thing is like these immortal beings that you're talking about they do already exist but they exist as like Communities that have lineages attached to them.
00:56:31.000So it's like because our physical bodies die We don't get to do the thing you're talking about.
00:56:36.000When you're older, you do do that naturally.
00:56:39.000And plus when you have kids, it's like you just don't have time for bullshit anymore.
00:56:42.000There's no time to fuck around with somebody who's like constantly fucking up their life who used to get drinks with or whatever.
00:56:48.000Like you have a child and you have to...
00:56:50.000But regardless, there already is set in place On the planet, these lineages, there's essentially chains of transmission in martial arts, right?
00:57:02.000When you look at a martial art, you're seeing a living being that has its roots.
00:57:23.000And also, sometimes when I hear about these technologists trying to live forever, I get a little scared thinking, that's kind of like, you know, if you could theoretically do it, You might be locking yourself in a dream that you don't want to stay in.
00:57:58.000What if they figure out a way to make people completely invulnerable, and we live forever, and then we hate it, and we didn't realize that if we just shut the lights out, we'd go to the next stage.
00:58:33.000Now you could say, well, that's just engineered to provide comfort to people because, you know, they want to feel like this life means something, but the reality is the lights just shut off.
01:01:14.000But we've sort of grown like little bits of grass into the time-space continuum.
01:01:19.000And right now we're like waving in the wind of our karma and not realizing there's a beneath us or through us or moving through us is a much grander, more beautiful, incredible thing.
01:01:30.000I think when people say, yeah, they invented it so people would be afraid, it sort of imagines that these people are having one-way conversations with it.
01:01:40.000You know that when they pick up the phone, it's just themselves they're talking to.
01:01:43.000It's not imagining that when people connect to this divine source, it immediately says, oh, hi, yeah, this is the part of your program where you're supposed to start remembering.
01:01:55.000What's really going on here and reconnecting with me?
01:02:02.000In fact, you requested a disconnect for the last 15 years when you were getting hammered and imagining you were Charles Bukowski or whatever.
01:02:11.000If this was all part of the plan, that was actually teaching you what happens when you don't take care of your body.
01:02:17.000Now, we're like connecting, sending a download to you, letting you know, Hi!
01:02:38.000But whatever, this is all part of a bigger thing.
01:02:41.000And I think that's, to me, what God is.
01:02:44.000It's this constantly rejuvenating, synchronistic perfection that becomes increasingly perfect, and it exists simultaneous to this seemingly imperfect universe.
01:02:57.000And it's always there for you to connect to at any moment.
01:03:01.000And when people smoke DMT, certainly that's one of the avenues.
01:03:07.000So I think the reason for it is not to scare people.
01:03:09.000It's more so that people become like fountains for that and in some small way become little droplets or like divine bits of perspiration bubbling up into this place so that folks who are really freaking out right now or worried or scared or disconnected could have at least the chance to reconnect.
01:03:29.000Because, listen man, if I was God wanting to get blasted, if I was some divine being wanting to get high, and Alan Watts has a beautiful lecture on this, I really do think at some point I would want to cut off all connection to the realization of my divinity and experience infinite lifetimes on a planet,
01:03:47.000on a tumultuous planet, and experience every incarnation and all of it to get an understanding of what it is like to be extremely limited.
01:05:22.000It's one thing if it's a medical emergency, kids being born, someone's got a broken leg, and you just, you gotta get to the hospital right away.
01:05:29.000But there's some people that just want to make that left turn.
01:05:32.000They don't give a fuck if the light change.
01:05:34.000They want to cut in front of you, make that turn, even block traffic.
01:05:36.000Because they think more about themselves than they do about other people.
01:05:39.000And that's a side effect of this life that's been set up.
01:05:44.000But it's almost like maybe that's how it works.
01:05:47.000Maybe the life creates challenges when there are no challenges.
01:05:50.000And the challenges are it just tries to diminish you.
01:05:52.000It tries to see if you're paying attention.
01:05:54.000It tries to weaken you and make you stupid and turns you into a fucking zombie.
01:05:58.000If you walked into any restaurant, any restaurant during lunchtime, and you see people on their phones, it's like, this is bonkers.
01:06:06.000If this was anything else, where half the room was using an electronic and staring into it for long moments at a time, not interacting with the person across from them, that becomes almost the norm?
01:06:18.000That at least 50% of the people, and everyone's interrupting everybody, they're all just barely paying attention to each other.
01:06:27.000Well, they haven't developed the muscle.
01:08:30.000If the Earth was trying to get rid of us, if the Earth had decided that there's an infection that doesn't think it's an infection, it thinks it's so important that it should be allowed to pollute everything around it, should be allowed to scab up the Earth with giant concrete bandages,
01:08:49.000We're putting these things everywhere that cover up all the ground, displace all the life, and then we shut off the lights so we can't recognize that we're in space.
01:09:08.000The fact that it exists, the fact that we have this biological imperative to stay alive and breed and then keep our DNA alive, and there's all these things that are set into you to make sure that that happens, all the while where you recognize you definitely are a finite life form.
01:09:29.000Yeah, you do something you don't enjoy.
01:09:31.000And when you get into reincarnation, which I love, that thing you're doing that you don't enjoy, you've been doing that for infinite lifetimes.
01:09:42.000It's like underneath your identity, it's basically your code.
01:09:47.000It's your tendencies, I guess is the way you put it.
01:09:50.000So like, you know, if you have the tendency to lose your temper, Then that's something that you've been dealing with for infinite lifetimes, and it never ever goes away until you start waking up.
01:10:05.000Because the idea is to just go from being this set of conditioned responses, reactions to your environment, to being something that's like lucid living.
01:10:16.000You know, if you want to lucid dreaming, Try lucid living, you know, which is the practice, I would say, of, like, first, what are your habituations?
01:10:25.000You know, like, the other day, I was sitting on the couch, I took my sock off, and I spun it like a lasso and threw it across the room.
01:10:34.000And my wife looks at me, she's like, what was that?
01:12:10.000It's called 10 or 12, I can't remember, 12 Reasons to Get Off Your Social Media Now or Delete Your Account, something like that.
01:12:17.000There's a book of his I like better than that called The Dawn of the New Everything.
01:12:23.000And that's just him sort of like talking about what it was like working in Silicon Valley back then and his sort of opinions on this stuff.
01:13:22.000Please put that picture back up because there's very few things in life that I love more than white guys with dreadlocks with their eyes closed playing the flute.
01:13:32.000There's very few things in life that make me feel like, man...
01:13:35.000Dude, if I had that picture of me online, I would want people to turn off their social media too.
01:14:33.000The kind of people that are super intelligent and whacked out on technology, I think something like the flute would be an amazing way to decompress.
01:14:54.000He's just some kind of genius, but here's the scary thing he said, which is...
01:15:01.000If B.F. Skinner's right, and if you can control a thing's environment, you can control it, this is the reason to be terrified of AI. Because the more advanced AI gets, our assumption is that things are going to eat us or kill us or whatever,
01:15:19.000it might just gradually hypnotize us and hypnotize us by creating More and more enticing things that grab our attention, hacks our neurology, and begins to just do things that are completely impossible to not look at.
01:15:39.000And when you're saying an AI advised the pandemic, what if that...
01:15:48.000All of our nervous systems right now are completely fixated on every tremor, every ripple, every little data point that flies across our screens.
01:16:43.000I mean, if you want to admit or you want to state that we are better than our ancient ancestors, the pre-homo sapien hominids, I think we're better.
01:16:55.000They might have been stronger than us, but we've created more.
01:16:58.000Overall, as a species, I think it's better to be a person than it is to be a pre-person.
01:17:03.000I think as it goes on and on, we're going to think the same way.
01:17:07.000I think the next stage of existence is going to be so happy it's not a person running around letting their dick think for them and fucking getting drunk all the time and crashing their motorcycle.
01:17:19.000All the dumb shit that people do, all of the dumb shit, from alcohol and drug abuse to fucked up relationships to everything we do to lying and stealing and being selfish, all that shit, we'd be so happy if that all went away.
01:18:29.000I mean, I think probably we already are that.
01:18:32.000To me, I think that whatever's happening, you just have to make it a good thing.
01:18:40.000Whether or not it is a good thing or not, if there is something great about humans, Is that we're capable of alchemizing phenomena in a way that it doesn't completely drive us nuts or paralyze us.
01:18:54.000Anything that's happening to you can be converted into something either that's going to make you scared, self-destructive, rationalize your anger, rationalize your shitty decisions, or it can be used as a thing that completely Oh!
01:19:34.000You could maybe take it down to two times a day.
01:19:41.000And to me, that's like, yeah, the future beings, whatever they are, I hope one of the Or one of the things they look back at is like, holy shit, those poor things had no idea how powerful they were.
01:19:56.000They were sleepwalking when they could have, at any moment, connected to the great truth, the divine, the glory of all things, and could have, theoretically, any one of them, just one of them,
01:20:11.000could have converted the entire planet into an up-leveled, up-resonanced Up-consciousness utopia.
01:20:48.000To know that this shitty job that you hate going to could go away at any moment because all jobs could go away at any moment is a real wake-up call because even the good jobs are going away, right?
01:20:57.000If you're in San Francisco, you have the best job in the world.
01:21:26.000We need these little catastrophes sometimes just to let us understand that the window of time that we've been existing in that's been relatively free of disaster is unique.
01:21:58.000Is that for people to get kicked out of the Flat Earth Society?
01:22:01.000Yeah, Flat Earth people look down on Hollow Earthers.
01:22:05.000But Hollow Earth is, to me, my favorite of them all.
01:22:11.000Because if the idea is, yeah, humans have been on the planet for a long time, and if we want to go into the cool idea of the Atlanteans and advanced civilizations, at some point, if you can't create a way to protect from the meteor impacts,
01:22:27.000and you're looking to create a sustaining civilization, You're going to want to go in there, man.
01:22:33.000And so to me, it's such a fucking cool idea that in the core of the Earth is another sun that has an advanced civilization that hasn't been disrupted by the shit that happens on the surface of the planet.
01:22:48.000Inside the spaceship are these advanced beings.
01:22:51.000And outside the spaceship, it's like a...
01:22:53.000It's a celestial fungus that's growing outside.
01:22:58.000Another way to put it would be outside the spaceship is Mad Max.
01:23:02.000Covering outside the spaceship is just a bunch of us that are inside the thing who have basically been completely disrupted over and over and over again.
01:24:14.000Cats aren't inventing shit, you know, they're not inventing things.
01:24:17.000There's a specific kind of idea that's unique to a human being.
01:24:21.000Regardless of the sentience of other animals, ours is unique in that it allows us to make stuff, not just little things.
01:24:28.000We can make gigantic machines that travel in the space and all the wild creations of human beings all came out of ideas.
01:24:36.000We think it's all humans, but True, we're the ones that put forth, but if you're a thing that wants to get born and you need a host, you get that curious ape that's just been trying to figure out better ways to stab its neighbor with a spear.
01:24:51.000Get that thing and slowly infect it with ideas.
01:25:04.000The people are just the toys of the ideas.
01:25:06.000Now, if instead of ideas, you said demons, I mean, that's literally what people used to think was happening to folks when they did terrible things.
01:25:15.000They had bad ideas, they acted on those bad ideas, and ancient religions thought of those ideas like they were demons, like these people were possessed.
01:25:22.000There was a common thought that someone's possessed by a demon.
01:25:38.000He's one guy that's probably had more of an impact on our perception of what the future holds in terms of technology than any other one individual human being.
01:25:49.000That is widely known of like he is, a famous human like he is.
01:25:54.000I mean, he's doing Tesla, which is the most advanced electric cars in the world.
01:26:57.000But that person talked people, or that group of people whose ideas all coincided, talked people into building a gigantic nuclear furnace that you can never shut off.
01:27:57.000They're fueled by insecurity and ego and lust and greed and Jealousy and anger and virtue and love and prosperity and comfort and community and all those different components of human consciousness all interact with this idea.
01:28:15.000So the idea becomes like it just hitches a ride.
01:28:18.000It hitches a ride with all these ideas that already exist in your brain and then with these pre-existing structures like businesses and warehouses and all these different things that we use to make stuff and then ship it out, then the idea becomes a thing.
01:28:32.000And then the idea winds up in the belly of a seagull because it looks like a fish.
01:28:53.000If we thought of ideas as a life force, instead of thinking ideas as something you own, something you hold, even though you do deserve credit for your ideas because your discipline to sit down and try to cultivate these ideas accelerates the production of those ideas and exercises the muscle through which those ideas come through focus and energy.
01:29:14.000This is not a socialist way of looking at it, but everybody that has an idea that's really good We'll tell you it's like it came out of nowhere like every great bit that you've ever had It's like pop a light bulb goes off and you have this thought and it comes out of nowhere, right?
01:29:29.000That's like most things that you write that are really cool.
01:29:32.000They kind of come out of nowhere Yeah, you just sit there and then also you think of things and you write them out They're like they're an idea that you're wrestling.
01:29:38.000You just catch them and just catch them Man, this is why I love collaborating with people because the more people you collaborate with, instead of just using your own brain as the net to catch these ideas,
01:29:53.000when you have a group of people sharing whatever the intention may be, whether it's to make flesh-eating robots or to cure cancer or whatever, then that becomes this amazing A solar panel for big ideas.
01:30:11.000This is, to me, the weirdest thing about when you're working with a group of people or collaborating with people.
01:30:17.000If someone's off, you will sink to that level.
01:30:22.000But when you're around funny people, you get funnier.
01:30:38.000When you watch people play pool that are really good, you can play better.
01:30:41.000If you're a player, like you see someone play really good, you realize like things that they do and you see them and you emulate them and then you can do it.
01:30:47.000We feed off of each other in that respect.
01:30:49.000I think that's a big argument for why the Comedy Store is so good.
01:30:52.000Because there's so many great comics there, and we all feed off each other.
01:33:27.000But still, there's some people that are doing some wacky things with the system, and they have giant yachts, and they own 50 buildings.
01:33:33.000But if that wasn't the case, if it was a more fair distribution, not meaning that you shouldn't be rewarded for your work, but that you can't just kind of hijack money the way bankers can.
01:33:50.000So much weirdness about using money to make money and that's all you do.
01:34:28.000It's not saying you shouldn't be able to get ahead.
01:34:30.000I'm not saying you shouldn't be able to kick ass.
01:34:32.000I'm not saying you shouldn't be able to acquire an extraordinary amount of wealth.
01:34:35.000I'm just saying I don't know if that makes sense to keep that sort of banking system, to keep it in place the way it is, to keep the stock market in place.
01:35:25.000Well, that would be, I mean, it would probably be fun to be, like, blasted on blow, like, buying stocks, but I would, yeah, I just love the pictures on the stock exchange whenever it's crashing.
01:35:47.000I don't know, but until my friend, who was a wild man, became a stockbroker, I didn't think of stockbrokers like that.
01:35:54.000I thought stockbrokers were like super nerd genius guys that are figuring things out and counting and selling and paying attention to all the markets and moving.
01:39:18.000He's definitely done movies where he had to fuck people up.
01:39:20.000So he probably trained martial arts for that, or maybe he just enjoyed doing it, but he really got into Muay Thai, and he actually had a fight.
01:39:57.000We're worried about people that are overweight, people that smoke cigarettes.
01:40:01.000But this is a wake-up call to a way worse disease.
01:40:04.000If this was the avian flu, if this was something that killed 60% of the people, Like, you know, there's an article in The Atlantic about this.
01:40:13.000I think this is where I found that the avian flu killed, like, it was like 60%, the one that they killed, all the chickens in the early 2000s.
01:41:18.000I mean, if we needed something like this, I wish it wasn't something that is going to kill a lot of people's grandparents, and I wish it was something a little less, but damn, you're totally right, man, because it's been a long time since we've had to,
01:41:34.000as a planet, deal with a problem at this level.
01:41:39.000Teaching us that there is a global civilization is teaching us that we are interconnected and it's definitely inviting us to Reprioritize our lives man because holy shit and there's consequences to living in a way that you don't feel are healthy or ethical One of the reasons why they have those ag-gag laws where you're not allowed to film factory farms is because people would find it horrific and that that would be bad for business.
01:42:06.000Well, that's not how we're supposed to look at it.
01:42:08.000See, that's a symptom of terrible thinking.
01:42:13.000We're supposed to make it so that it's not horrific to look at.
01:42:17.000We're supposed to make it so that it's not this terrible thing.
01:42:21.000That's the difference between doing things that feel natural and doing things that are horrific.
01:42:29.000And the horrific ones are the ones where all the diseases are coming from.
01:42:32.000If you think about these farming operations, let's just think about these wet markets.
01:42:39.000When you got all these animals in the open air, piled on top of each other, dead animals laying on a plate, dead animals laying on a table, some stretched out on the floor, and you have them all over the place, you're going to have problems.
01:42:53.000There's going to be air and heat and bacteria's gonna mix with each other, and then it creates things.
01:42:58.000That's what happened with the avian flu that happened in animal agriculture, swine flu, same thing.
01:43:04.000These fucking flus, these horrible bugs, a lot of them come from animals.
01:43:07.000So you don't think it was a bioweapon?
01:43:22.000Scariest fucking interview ever of all, not just that show, just of all time, sitting with that, I wish I could remember his name, the guy who ran the head of the place.
01:43:32.000Didn't we have some crazy flight, too?
01:43:33.000We flew in and we didn't have any sleep.
01:43:35.000Dude, we missed a flight because we got stoned and we talked at the airport.
01:43:41.000And we talked for like a fucking hour and a half and then suddenly we're like, oh fuck our flight!
01:45:06.000But also I think some people from the sleep deprivation, that's where they become antennas for the good ideas.
01:45:12.000You know, they like to get in this like fevered state of not sleeping for days at a time and go literally insane.
01:45:21.000And somewhere in there they write really good stuff.
01:45:24.000That's what the, you know, news radio, the staff at news radio, they used to do that on purpose.
01:45:30.000Paul Simms is a brilliant guy, the guy who created news radio, and he thought it would be a good idea to have a writing staff filled with a bunch of psychos who were willing to play video games and stay up till 4 o'clock in the morning every night.
01:45:44.000It was like this mad, vagabond crew of writers that he had assembled.
01:45:48.000They would play video games and Just talk shit and then they would start writing at like 2 a.m.
01:45:55.000Sometimes but they would come up with these amazing scripts because the scripts were so ridiculous Some of them were so ridiculous and it's because they were delirious when they were writing them They were just instead of doing drugs.
01:46:06.000They were doing the drug of just staying awake Dude, this is for me.
01:46:10.000I've just I'd started doing this about six months ago Maybe a little longer Waking up at 4 a.m., regardless of when I went to sleep, I was having some insomnia.
01:46:22.000And so I realized, shit, I'll just wake up when I wake up.
01:46:28.000Waking up at 4 a.m., if you have insomnia, that is going to cure your fucking insomnia.
01:46:33.000Because when nighttime rolls around, you're exhausted.
01:46:58.000My system before the fucking apocalypse was, and again, I wasn't doing this every day, but I did do it for a stretch because I got into David Goggins.
01:50:40.000You want to warm everything up, get everything going.
01:50:43.000They say that people lifting weights, it's not the best idea to lift your personal record deadlifts and shit like that first thing in the morning.
01:51:32.000But it's easy to do, because you wake up at noon, you know, and just fucking stumble out of bed, do whatever bullshit you have to do that day if I have my day off, if I'm, you know, doing stand-up at night.
01:52:18.000I just started bringing my gear there to write and then I would just sit and write and I would spend so much time writing because that part of you that doesn't want to work out would rather write.
01:52:28.000It's like when you have to write and you find yourself cleaning.
01:55:03.000He posts pictures of himself when he was sort of Fat all the time, man.
01:55:08.000He's showing people, look, this is the possibility.
01:55:12.000At any moment, you can do this at any moment.
01:55:16.000And I love that, because I know when I see him, he's running through glass.
01:55:21.000He's running through swarms of mosquitoes and malarial swamps just to show people, look, the part of you that's telling you that you can't do this because of X in your environment, Is probably wrong.
01:55:38.000Not all the time, but for sure, man, a lot of the time, wrong.
01:58:27.000He's on death row studying Zen Buddhism.
01:58:31.000A Zen priest was working with him to basically...
01:58:36.000You know prepare him for his death you know as soon as he was badly beaten on death row he was almost executed then he was um exonerated because of dna but uh we did this interview before the show obviously and this is just a way that we figured out to take podcasts and put him in hey once he gets exonerated did it before we start this does he get do they have to pay him i don't know it's a great question i think maybe Part of it that they may...
01:59:44.000You know, it's like a current of energy that is passed along from master to student.
01:59:49.000Ceremonial magic is the exact same thing.
01:59:52.000The Knights Templar started receiving this current whenever they were over there.
01:59:55.000That's how it makes its way back to Europe.
01:59:57.000Eventually, it makes its way to the United States through the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, which was the order that Crowley was a member of before he, you know, went off to the OTO. You had McGregor Mathers, Dion Fortune, the poet W.B. Yeats.
02:00:09.000All of these people were members of the Golden Dawn.
02:00:12.000That's how this current makes its way to the U.S. One second.
02:01:44.000My character is this guy Clancy who lives in a place called the chromatic ribbon where people use multiverse simulators to simulate universes so that they go inside and harvest the technology and sell it.
02:01:57.000And so my character has a malfunctioning used multiverse simulator that isn't really working to produce technology and because it's malfunctioning every single World in it is going through some kind of apocalypse.
02:02:12.000And so my character goes into his simulator and interviews people in the dying world.
02:02:18.000So that's basically the idea of the show.
02:02:29.000People are going to still have conversations.
02:02:30.000So these conversations, we just set them in these surreal universes where shit's melting down and where Clancy meets these various people and kind of learns from them.
02:02:42.000What's crazy is you started this a long time ago and it's coming to fruition right when the apocalypse hits.
02:03:04.000It's almost like you had a tie and then the universe is like this is a perfect time for Duncan shit to come out Let's let's coincide it.
02:03:12.000I mean look just look at how bizarre your show is Yeah strange and then the fact that it's a hybrid of podcast conversations and then written stuff So strange.
02:03:25.000Yeah, you know I think it is a perfect time for it and I hope like because some of the like every guest we It was we chose for this they all had this like Really, like, amazing thing to say.
02:03:37.000Like, Eccles, in this episode, one of the things he says, you know, I asked him, like, do you feel like you kind of, like, were blessed that you ended up in solitary confinement?
02:04:17.000And it's like whatever went on in the situation of being on the brink of the abyss, where he's about to get murdered by the state for something he didn't do, something about that didn't turn him into someone who was like shell-shocked or angry, but like really turned him into like someone very compassionate and I guess grateful for his life.
02:04:39.000You know, and that, to me, like, it's like he's like the Goggins of death row.
02:04:43.000I mean, if you can be not bitter after being on death row for something you didn't do and like getting physically assaulted, you know, just wondering every day if you were going to die.
02:04:56.000If you can still maintain an attitude of service or contribution to society in some way or another, then any of us can.
02:05:46.000As we understand it now, because of Hollywood, it's like, you know, ladies riding around on brooms and shit, but it just used to be midwifery.
02:05:53.000It used to be, like, healing women who would, like, deliver babies and stuff.
02:05:58.000But these were all connected to—they all had pagan roots.
02:06:02.000And so, essentially, you can— Follow back this branch of data that some people say started in Sumeria or Egypt, ways of meditating, ways of connecting with the universe that are ritualistic in nature,
02:07:00.000You're connecting with a divine intelligence.
02:07:02.000You're hoping from your connection with a divine intelligence to produce some change in your own psychology, in your own life, and maybe create good fortune or whatever it is you're praying for, healing, whatever it may be.
02:07:29.000I mean, one of the things he said in this interview is like if the Bible is one of the most powerful magical grimoires there is, I mean, you read that shit, if you really look in it, there's all kinds of bizarre stuff that doesn't seem to make it onto Christian radio.
02:08:48.000Now, I'm not saying, by the way, these beings exist or don't exist, but you could say, if you wanted to get, like, psychological, you could say we have buried inside of us Archetypes, bits of the collective that are buried deep inside of us and that there are ways to connect to these little fragments of the collective mind.
02:09:13.000Many people have their own method for doing that.
02:09:16.000One of the methods to do that might be doing a ritual and for a moment allowing yourself to imagine that you're trying to talk to an extra-dimensional being.
02:09:26.000Aleister Crowley famously did one of these rituals and contacted a...
02:09:32.000God, I can't remember what the being was called, but it looks like a gray alien.
02:09:36.000This is before people were talking about gray aliens.
02:09:52.000Dude, when you keep pulling at your ghillie suit, you remind me of a drunk, overweight girl with large breasts that keeps adjusting her halter top like you're in Florida outside drinking at some motel.
02:11:31.000150% more brain and then incorporated all sorts of fucking electronics that lets you Interface with space-time around you and all kinds of other wacky ways of communicating We couldn't even possibly imagine now just like people from the 1800s could never ever possibly imagine cell phones,
02:11:47.000And this is the idea is like, okay, we're gonna go there and then when we get there The way we understand space-time is going to be different than the way we understand it now.
02:11:57.000So what that means is, theoretically, you could...
02:12:01.000Connect or communicate with a being that is outside of space-time, which is a future version of us right now, using like various methods.
02:12:12.000DMT being one of the big ones on the planet right now, but also using other methods that are a little bit more precise.
02:12:19.000Because with DMT, it's kind of like you're not really putting in GPS coordinates necessarily.
02:12:24.000Some people do it with intention, like a shaman will do it like with intention and can like, you know, Excuse me.
02:13:17.000So magic is like ridiculous on one level as it absolutely sounds and is on one level.
02:13:23.000On another level is at the very least a creative technique so that you can sort of summon a dream state while you're awake with the intent of causing some change in the world around you using for a lot of people what would be considered a non-standard way.
02:13:38.000Well, just in terms of your perception of how you view the world, you can alter that pretty radically.
02:13:44.000I mean, from someone who has an amazingly positive perception versus someone who has an amazingly negative perception, you look at the results.
02:13:59.000That propel you in a good way for having a good architecture, for having a good philosophy, having a good operating manual for how you view the world and how you act and behave.
02:14:11.000Part of that's you getting up at 4 o'clock in the morning.
02:15:36.000I think it's, like, especially now, we should realize, like, man, you should have food in a freezer somewhere, and you should have a garden.
02:16:29.000My favorite way to do it is I get it to like a medium temperature, and then I put tomato sauce in it, and I let it simmer in the tomato sauce.
02:17:44.000And there's an older male, too, which is what you want to get because those are the ones that have passed their DNA down.
02:17:49.000So there's a story to that meat, and there's a connection to that meat, and there's no risk from that meat.
02:17:54.000When you're thinking about the risk to society of these kind of diseases that happen through agriculture, I think one of the reasons why that is is because it's not natural ever for animals to be stuffed together like that.
02:18:10.000So when it is, nature's just like, fuck you for breaking the rules.
02:18:15.000And then these viruses start spreading.
02:18:17.000It's almost like that's what it is for being unnatural because those kind of diseases...
02:18:23.000Don't exist that much in animals in nature.
02:18:26.000They do sometimes, like brucellosis, like some buffalo have brucellosis.
02:18:31.000It's a bad disease that cattle can get, and then it can infect the cattle, and sometimes elk have it too.
02:18:37.000There's a few diseases, like animals always have diseases, but it seems like those ones that jump to people, the vast majority of them have brucellosis.
02:18:45.000Come from us treating animals in a very unnatural way.
02:20:19.000And I think there's a battle constantly going on between these things that hog up too much resources and take up too much of a population slice like humans.
02:20:30.000We're on every goddamn rock everywhere.
02:20:32.000And nature tries to throw curveballs at you.
02:20:40.000That's what's happened throughout history, whether it was with poor sanitation or whether it was animal agriculture, whatever the fuck it is.
02:20:48.000People have caught weird diseases throughout time, whether it's different animals that can bite you and give you Ebola, that kind of shit.
02:20:55.000These weird diseases have existed forever, and they're basically...
02:22:05.000They would, like, block the highway because they were, like, starting to overpopulate because there was no one there to, like, cull the herd.
02:22:12.000Dude, I had a gig once when I was living in New York and it was in Western Massachusetts.
02:22:16.000So Western Massachusetts, if you are in New York where I was in New Rochelle, you could get there in a few hours.
02:22:22.000It was like two and a half, three hours or something like that.
02:22:45.000Coming home on the highway was terrifying.
02:22:47.000I had to go 30 miles an hour on the highway just with my foot hovering, just ready to stomp on the brakes because these motherfuckers were just running in front of the highway.
02:23:37.000I mean, like, you know, for us, the goddamn COVID-19 is the worst thing that's happened to people in their lifetime in the sense, like, the shit we're experiencing right now is completely unique.
02:24:52.000Yeah, I was reading, a friend sent me an email from Aspen, where apparently there was one Australian tourist, a bunch of Australian tourists had it, but one guy refused to quarantine, and he went skiing, and went to restaurants, rode the bus, and like,
02:27:15.000It makes, normally, animals that are afraid of people, it makes them aggressive to people.
02:27:20.000Well, I mean, dude, did you read that thing about that guy who, like, knew he had AIDS and was infecting people on purpose?
02:27:27.000He was, like, getting off on, like, giving people AIDS. Like, you wonder how much of that was his decision and how much of it was some dark mutation where it started.
02:28:09.000I'm not saying don't tell people when awful shit's going on, but sometimes I notice I'll go through periods where all I'm doing is telling people about shit they should be afraid of, you know, spreading.
02:28:21.000And usually the way you do it is through some story about what's happening in the world.
02:28:25.000That's really a form of contagion, you know, and then that spreads and spreads and spreads and spreads.
02:28:30.000And then everyone's freaked The fuck out.
02:29:40.000Like, if you were in a community and you knew a fire was coming, you didn't want to tell people, so there's probably some reward mechanism.
02:29:46.000The worst is when someone told you, but you forgot they told you, so you try to tell them, and they're like, I told you.
02:30:58.000Well, especially as a creative person, I think zoning, spacing out sometimes and just being bored, sometimes is where the best ideas come from.
02:31:08.000I mean, this is a common complaint about people when they're talking about one of the consequences, unintended consequences of social media addiction is that you're never bored.
02:31:17.000And that being bored is actually probably not a bad thing because it fills your head up with ideas.
02:31:22.000You start thinking about things, and occasionally you're thinking about things that are good that you might not have thought of if you're just staring at people's butts on Instagram.
02:31:49.000But there's this sense of like, ah, the other type of boredom, cool boredom.
02:31:53.000That's more like what you're talking about, which is like just being okay where you're at in the moment, but admitting to yourself, this is boring.
02:32:22.000See, that's what I... Man, I gotta stop doing it, because I'll wake up, and the first thing I do, reach over for the phone, start looking at it, waiting to get sleepy again.
02:32:43.000I do the smoke pot thing, too, and then write, but sometimes I do the smoke pot and workout thing, and then it becomes the smoke pot and write thing, just because the rush right after you get high is like, those are where the best ideas come from, and I feel like you've got to grab those fuckers while you have them.
02:33:01.000And if it means postponing your workout for an hour, that's actually the smart thing to do.
02:33:07.000It's the dumb thing to do to go through the workout first.
02:33:13.000Because those ideas, they're coming hard and fast for the first part of the high, and you probably won't get them like that for the rest of the high.
02:33:21.000So while you go from being straight sober to the big rush that you get in the beginning, that's when all my best ideas come from.
02:33:28.000It's the big rush, which is like an hour...
02:33:30.000From getting high to an hour later, that's the big rush.
02:33:33.000That's when I feel like I get the most, like, where the fuck did that come from ideas?
02:35:32.000It's kind of like I mean not I don't like you got to honor them honor them, right?
02:35:37.000Yeah, you don't act on them I mean, that's why people that think of the muse like the concept of the muse That's one of the more it's a productive way to think of it Like Pressfield writes about it and Pressfield in the war of art and he's you know, he's a very down-to-earth He's not a it's not a silly man.
02:35:54.000He's a very down-to-earth person but his perspective on the concept of the muse it's It's very beneficial if you follow it, because his perspective is essentially that you pay honor to this thing.
02:36:06.000You show up and you do the work like a professional, and then it responds in turn.
02:36:40.000But you're coming up with these thoughts and we're thinking of them as like random connections that you're making in your brain, which might be.
02:37:55.000I think a lot of people have that feeling, and some of them just don't...
02:38:05.000I think a lot of people feel like they have a direct contact with some kind of sentience that isn't embodied inside of them, and it's giving them ideas, and they're just terrified to put it out to the world, because it sounds like you're fucking nuts.
02:38:22.000His claims of receiving signals from outer space were proven right a century later.
02:38:27.000During the summer of 1899, Tesla set up a field laboratory in Colorado Springs, Colorado to the possibilities of using high-altitude stations to transmit information and electric power over long distances.
02:39:11.000This equipment picked up a series of beeps.
02:39:13.000After ruling out solar and terrestrial causes, he concluded the signals must be from another planet.
02:39:18.000The following Christmas, in response to the American Red Cross's request for a prediction of the greatest scientific achievement of the coming century, Tesla wrote, Brethren, we have a message from another world, unknown and remote.
02:39:33.000In 1996, scientists published a study replicating Tesla's experiment and showing that the signal was in fact caused by the moon low passing through Jupiter's magnetic field.
02:41:34.000Like San Francisco, the lockdown is crazy.
02:41:36.000Three weeks, 24 hours, stay off the streets, don't go to work.
02:41:40.000Yeah, man, I think we're probably going to look, like, listen, if you go, if you want to hear my, like, just instinct, which is definitely going to be wrong, I think it's going to go, it's going to get better much faster than we expect.
02:41:57.000We're looking at months and months and months.
02:41:59.000I guess if I have to choose between listening to my own stoned intuition regarding stuff, which fits into my desires, which is I want it to blow over because I don't want people to get sick.
02:42:11.000I don't want to live in the apocalypse.
02:42:34.000Because I have a son now, and if I listen to my own instincts when it comes to shit for my kid, I'm going to be afraid to vaccinate him.
02:42:45.000I'm going to be afraid to do things that millions of scientific papers have shown as safe, that's good for his health, because I'm going to get superstitious.
02:43:00.000Science kept cancer from spreading through my body and killing me.
02:43:05.000I'm going to trust the scientists right now.
02:43:09.000Self-isolate and try as much as possible to not spread this shit and I think that that's even if it turns out to be a panic and hysteria or whatever at least you were part of the people who weren't fucking going out and skiing during this fucking thing so I think it's gonna go on longer and I think while it goes on longer if you have the ability to limit human contact and to avoid the superstitious part of yourself that I've got to That's looking at this and thinking like,
02:44:11.000There's a lot of us that are not that strong.
02:44:13.000Maybe some people are recovering from something, like talking to Jonathan Ward yesterday and his wife's recovering from cancer.
02:44:21.000She's going through chemo, so like they want to make sure she doesn't have to deal with any of this shit, like you're not exposed to any of it.
02:44:28.000Those are the type of people we have to be really scared of, people that are compromised.
02:44:31.000But this is, you know, this is a fucked up moment for us, but a learning moment.
02:44:37.000I really hope that this prepares us in case something really horrible comes down the pipe, and I think, I hope it prepares us for understanding that this is a possibility.
02:44:45.000It lets us understand like, hey, we need to accept this, this is how it goes.
02:44:51.000And if there's some new shit that comes on, let's act quicker and let's take care of this quicker.
02:44:56.000And like if everybody just had a two week off thing, like, you know, and this was something that Dana White and Frank Fertitta were talking about before anyone did it.
02:45:06.000Frank Fertitta told Dana White, He's like, why don't we just have everything shut down for two weeks?
02:45:11.000Just no one go to work, no one do anything, two weeks, stop the planes, and the way he explained it to me was like, he said, pull the band-aid off of it.
02:45:18.000I'm like, that is actually probably a really good idea.
02:45:22.000Now that's being forced, mandatory forced, in certain cities where they've got bad outbreaks.
02:45:27.000If they had just done that the moment it cut, the moment it cut loose, just no one goes anywhere for two weeks, let's nip this fucking thing in the bud.
02:45:35.000If that was really done, They're right.
02:45:37.000I mean, if you could really get that to be implemented at a scale of 350 million people.
02:46:49.000The water you're really supposed to be drinking is the stuff that comes right out of the ground.
02:46:52.000That's what you're supposed to be drinking.
02:46:53.000But if you get stuff that's biologically infected, you get stuff that animals have been in, animal waste, feces and stuff, or bacteria or diseases or anything, you can purify that.
02:47:06.000You can take these water tablets and you drop them in there and it kills everything.
02:47:25.000Let's say you have a water bottle, you fill it up with elk piss, and you wave your thing, because you're trying to stay alive.
02:47:31.000If there's no water, if you're on a high country desert mule deer hunt and you can't find any water, you've got to take water wherever you can get it.
02:47:40.000Because you're not bringing all your water up there if you're staying there for 12 days.
02:47:43.000You're hoping you can find creeks, and you might not find a creek.
02:52:57.000We're never happy like this in a collective group unless we're all living in this constant state of alertness and consequences for inaction.
02:54:35.000Any bit of phenomena that comes your way as a person.
02:54:39.000Anytime something's really gotta get done that I've been procrastinating, or anytime some shitty, unexpected thing comes my way, I have a moment to decide, am I gonna react to this?
02:54:52.000I always react to shitty things and become negative or dark or get pissed.
02:54:58.000Or can I react to it in a completely new way?
02:55:01.000And I think every time you do a new way, this is my woo-woo concept, you pop into a different part of the multiverse.
02:55:08.000It's a little better than the one you were in before.
02:55:12.000And it's like a trajectory you can go on.
02:55:14.000When I was getting stoned at the gym at 4am, I was imagining on the treadmill that I was running, Through the multiverse towards a healthier version of me.
02:56:04.000I think there's thoughts that I've had that are real similar to that, where I've wondered, like, if multiverses are real, and there's supposed to be different versions of you, infinite versions all over the universe,
02:56:21.000why are we assuming that this is the same, every day you wake up in the same version?
02:56:46.000And you just slid over to the right by letting a little old lady in front of you and not even complaining when she was driving 30 miles an hour.
02:57:14.000You know, theoretically, I think, eventually through those series of decisions, maybe that's where you can like, that's where all of a sudden you start realizing like, oh shit.
02:58:05.000If you do that, if you really do imagine that every single thing that's happening in your life is a grand conspiracy to help you to advance you to bring you or another way to put it.
02:59:13.000But then sometimes you notice you just stop doing shit that was bad for you because you found a better way to live and it naturally falls away.
02:59:22.000You're being drawn into the divine mind.
02:59:24.000As that happens, the shit that looks like austerity, when you're further away, begins to actually just be a natural way that you act.
02:59:33.000You just become naturally more graceful, naturally less inclined to do shitty things, naturally more tuned in with the 150-year-old version of you.