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00:00:44.000One, I want to talk about some of the science, and two, I want to remove some of the stigma that's around masks.
00:00:49.000So I'm part of this group of scientists that have put together a survey paper showing that masks work.
00:00:59.000And it started as a movement called masks for all, hashtag.
00:01:07.000In the Czech Republic, that essentially one of the critical components of stopping the spread of coronavirus is everybody has to wear masks.
00:02:03.000There's also a shortage of surgical masks, which are these non-Voen fabric masks that work very well for the thing I'm talking about, but because there's a shortage of them, we should not be buying them.
00:02:17.000It should be saving them for healthcare workers.
00:02:19.000And then the open question was whether homemade masks like the one I just described Work to stop as a filtration mechanism.
00:02:28.000This is the confusing thing for the individual-centric society that we live in.
00:03:57.000When I say I know a lot, what I and others have been doing is reading a lot of papers that are coming out in the hundreds every single day.
00:04:06.000So people doing really strong studies across the board.
00:04:11.000Where something, a new disease comes out and everyone's scrambling to try to figure out what, if anything, can help it.
00:04:17.000Yeah, there's a lot of aspects here that are unprecedented.
00:04:19.000The scientific community has stepped up in a way that I've never seen.
00:04:24.000I couldn't imagine it was possible to do.
00:04:26.000Like, everybody, stop what they're doing.
00:04:29.000And from whatever walks of life, so artificial intelligence community is really working on a lot of aspects of this, which I can talk about.
00:04:40.000The virologists, bioinformatics folks, so everybody's working on this, looking at different angles, and obviously people who are developing vaccines and antiviral drugs are working on this.
00:04:54.000To your question, we're all waiting for actual studies, so you can't really answer it.
00:05:00.000You can't say something is promising or not.
00:05:02.000So what's happening now is there's incredible candidates for vaccines, for antiviral drugs, but in order to say anything at all, there has to be at least a little sign, a little signal that this is something that can work.
00:05:16.000So one of the things is If you look at the virology of it, just the protein structure of a corona COVID-19 virus, there's a lot of elements to it that are different from even its other family member of SARS within the coronavirus family.
00:05:33.000So it's a totally open question whether Things from masks, what kind of things work for coronavirus versus SARS versus influenza versus rhinovirus, which is behind the common flu, and then what works on the coronavirus.
00:05:48.000So that's true for masks, that's true for drugs, that's true for epidemiological study models and so on.
00:05:56.000So there's a lot of uncertainty here and you have to actually do the test.
00:05:59.000On the mask side, I'm really paying attention.
00:06:02.000There's a guy named Jeremy Howard who brought a lot of us together from all kinds of expertise and we're putting together this giant paper showing that masks are effective.
00:06:15.000And the same thing is happening in other domains.
00:06:18.000The powerful thing about masks is it's something we can do.
00:06:25.000Right now, a lot of us individuals are stuck, trapped in our homes, unable to do anything.
00:06:30.000Your only task is to remain, to practice physical distancing, social distancing, to maintain a healthy immune system, to Maintaining a healthy immune system seems to me to be the most important thing because there's so many people that are asymptomatic.
00:07:08.000If you have access to a sauna, and I know most people don't, but if you don't have access to a sauna and you do have a bathtub, take yourself a hot bath.
00:07:16.000What you're looking for is heat shock proteins.
00:07:19.000One of the things that happens when you have a flu or when you have a fever, when your body has a fever, one of the things it's trying to do is trying to kill that virus.
00:07:32.000And that production of those heat shock proteins is very important.
00:07:39.000There was a study written on flus and viruses and regular sauna use and it showed a significant decrease in infection with regular sauna use.
00:07:52.000So it might not help you if you have it now, but it will help you to keep a strong and healthy immune system.
00:08:00.000Shocking yourself with cold baths and shocking yourself with hot baths if you don't have access to a sauna.
00:08:06.000If you do have access to a sauna, I would recommend ice baths and sauna.
00:08:12.000It's very, very important for your immune system.
00:08:15.000It's a way that you're giving yourself a drug that your body makes, really.
00:08:19.000Yeah, I read a couple of studies actually on the use of, I don't know about sauna, but heat, like you said, hot water and then switching to cold for increasing the efficacy of natural killer,
00:08:34.000I think they're called NK, the natural killer immune cells.
00:09:22.000And it depends on the, you know, and we don't understand for some people that doesn't happen for some people it does.
00:09:27.000Yeah, I mean, it's gonna be a long time before they sort this out.
00:09:30.000And the real problem with that is in the meantime, all these fucking nut jobs that want to blame this on 5G or, you know, or whatever, fill in the blank with whatever crazy conspiracy theory people have.
00:09:44.000One that is interesting is that Wuhan apparently Had some sort of bioweapons lab there.
00:09:52.000That's interesting to me because if that's the case It's not outside of the realm of possibility that something could be accidentally released or purposefully released.
00:10:04.000Like if they do have a weapons lab there, I mean, why do they make weapons labs?
00:10:15.000The idea is you're making a disease you can inflict on the enemy, right?
00:10:21.000Well, if you have a disease that can be inflicted on the enemy, that's just human beings.
00:10:25.000If that stuff gets out, it would be the biggest shock of all time if it turns out that this was actually a man-made disease that was leaked from a lab.
00:10:40.000I'm not the guy to come to when it comes to bioweapons or viruses or any of these things, but I'm just speculating as a human being that if there is a bioweapons lab in Wuhan, Google that.
00:11:11.000So, first of all, bioengineering, let's break that apart because it's a fascinating topic.
00:11:17.000I mean, one of the things that coronavirus is making us realize is, holy crap, there's things out there that can kill us on a scale that we've never before imagined.
00:11:27.000And nothing like that, hopefully, will be happening here, but this is the dress rehearsal, right?
00:12:35.000So there's millions of viruses out there, most of them infecting living organisms that are not human.
00:12:40.000And they're able to spread in these insane ways, infecting billions of organisms.
00:12:49.000That, in terms of a weapon, in terms of a natural pandemic, is terrifying.
00:12:53.000A lot of people are worried about what's happening now with the coronavirus.
00:12:57.000The deadliest part of the Spanish Flu was the second wave connected to the First World War.
00:13:10.000There was a mutation which made it a lot deadlier.
00:13:13.000So a single mutation that then begins to propagate through society can completely change the way we experience this virus.
00:13:23.000And it was particularly deadly because it was really devastating to young, healthy people with strong immune systems.
00:13:28.000It was devastating to everybody, which is surprising.
00:13:31.000Usually it's a compromised immune system is what the virus is devastating to.
00:13:36.000Well, this one's weird in that it's so rare that it affects children.
00:13:40.000It's very strange that this virus has a small impact on children.
00:13:46.000You know, but goddammit, there was a story that I saw a video about this article that was written that was talking about a one-day-old baby that died from coronavirus.
00:13:56.000But when you go into the actual story itself, the doctor who was furious about this, who was reading this paper, was saying that, the article rather, he was saying the baby was 22 weeks premature.
00:14:08.000So like that's probably what killed the baby and that is so premature and he was like the idea that someone is using clickbait and fear-mongering at that scale during this crazy time when people are starving for information and terrified and running around trying to find out and especially people with newborns to read that oh my god I killed a newborn and then you go and realize look no it's a complication and we don't know the baby tested positive for coronavirus but it's also 22 weeks early I mean,
00:14:38.000if that's the first baby that's dying from this, we're very, very fortunate that it doesn't attack young people.
00:15:15.000We're so sensitive now in terms of just on the verge of giving in to the fear on a mass scale.
00:15:24.000And that's where information and sort of Inspiring words and the silly old word love is important, like community and compassion and so on to sort of fight that fear.
00:16:26.000Because how many businesses are going to close because of this?
00:16:28.000How many people don't know that they're unemployed but are?
00:16:30.000How many businesses are barely hanging on and they might not make it to the end of the year?
00:16:36.000And if the economy takes a downturn because of all these people out of jobs, how many businesses that were barely hanging on before and they're still open now are going to be gone in a couple of weeks?
00:17:22.000But just like fanny packs are exceptionally functional to carry on the things you need, masks are required to slow the spread of this infection.
00:19:58.000There's a large percentage of people, this is my assumption, that are wearing that mask that are not wearing it because they think they're going to protect other people.
00:20:06.000Yeah, and I don't think, I mean, this is what the WHO and the CDC, this is where I hate what they're doing, which is sort of there's truth and that there is ideas of how the truth will be misinterpreted by the public,
00:20:24.000and so you shouldn't tell people the truth.
00:20:26.000So there's a kind of sense, like the WHO and CDC have said that masks don't work, for example, or they said that we shouldn't be wearing masks, we should save them for the healthcare workers.
00:20:35.000Well, we have to be honest about what the timeline, the WHO, what they've said, they're wrong about so much of it.
00:20:41.000They were initially saying that you couldn't transfer it from person to person.
00:20:44.000I mean, this was just in the beginning of the year.
00:20:47.000I mean, Dan Crenshaw went over the timeline of all the things that were wrong about what the World Health Organization said on the podcast yesterday.
00:21:37.000I've gotten a lot of messages from friends that are quarantined with their families and like we've never been closer and that we realize that we're in this together because we realize that, you know, during these crazy times, you realize what is important.
00:21:50.000Love, that silly little word you were talking about.
00:21:52.000Love and community and friendship, like my neighbors.
00:22:04.000There's a lot of this like comfort and warmth that, you know, I think I experienced a little bit of that post 9-11 where people get shocked.
00:22:13.000They get shook up and then they realize what matters, you know.
00:22:16.000Yeah, that's one of the things I don't like about masks, is it feels like you're protecting yourself from, like you're removing yourself from the community.
00:23:50.000If it's messaged correctly to show that we are while maintaining sort of social distancing all those kinds of things We're trying to fight to bring our society back.
00:24:01.000Okay, let me pause it right there There's no social distancing in a fucking cage fight.
00:24:04.000Yeah, okay They're on top of each other sweating each other's mouths There's not gonna be there's gonna be if Tony Ferguson's fighting there's gonna be blood for sure Everybody fights Tony Ferguson looks like they fell off a train So there's gonna be blood The physical distancing you want to avoid is large crowds.
00:25:26.000So my main concern is how will the general public interpret it?
00:25:33.000Because you want to do everything you do now should be done in a way that, one, is positive, like inspires us towards the community, and two, gets us to do the right thing scientifically.
00:25:45.000I don't know if a COVID-infected person fighting would inspire others to say, oh, if they're doing it, it's okay for me.
00:25:54.000Well, I don't think they would allow it.
00:25:56.000I have a feeling that if someone did test positive, they would kick them off the card.
00:28:40.000If you're getting your political advice from me, I'm a moron, okay?
00:28:44.000I am a comedian slash cage-fighting commentator.
00:28:48.000You know how you have friends that don't know much about fighting and they'll say something like, I think Bruce Lee could kick Jon Jones' ass.
00:31:42.000That's all I'm saying, folks, is you shouldn't have someone who's clearly got something really wrong and just prop him up and weekend at Bernie style and fucking bring him up to the podium.
00:32:08.000Well, what they should be able to do is someone should, I don't know, I think they're just hoping and praying that Biden can hang in there long enough and people's hatred for Trump will get it to the finish line.
00:33:09.000We've never allowed any crisis from the Civil War straight through to the pandemic of 17, all the way around 16. We have never, never let our democracy...
00:33:21.000Second fiddle way that we can both have a democracy and elections and at the same time correct the public health.
00:33:44.000These people that are involved in running his campaign, they're probably giving him IV vitamin drips and doing everything they can to try to get him as healthy as possible to bring him to that state.
00:35:00.000So, back in the, you know, especially in 2016 and so on, just every time, because he's like a, he's kind of like a blue collar.
00:35:08.000He has a story with his son, a vet dying.
00:35:12.000I mean, there is so much depth to him as a human being, to his story.
00:35:18.000He, obviously, as you've mentioned, he's done quite a few shady things like lying and plagiarizing speeches and That was back in 88 when he was running for president.
00:35:30.000I mean, but in terms of his long track record of just being as part of the system, whatever you think about the system, he just knows at a time like this, when you need government to work well, no matter who you are, government needs to work well now.
00:35:46.000So you have to ask yourself, who is the person who will make government work well?
00:36:32.000I think they don't have to be responsible.
00:36:34.000So to me, the best for president is to inspire the entire population, just to be a sort of talking head that inspires the world and the United States, and two, hires the best people to take care of each of those things.
00:36:49.000So attract, so inspire the best in the world to come work for him, whether that's military, whether that's the environment on the science side.
00:36:58.000And that's how, to me, that's how you should elect a president, is who inspires the best people in the world.
00:37:04.000Yeah, I just think that it's an impossible task for an individual.
00:37:08.000And I don't think, I think we should rethink it, but good luck with that.
00:37:12.000I mean, the crazy thing about the United States is really, I mean, I had a bit about it, that the United States was founded in 1776. People lived to be 100. That's three people ago.
00:37:25.000Yeah, I'm like this is how recently this is and this is a bit about President Trump about him being elected about how crazy and the bit was about we went from Obama I went from this really intelligent very articulate person and it's like we were involved in a relationship with a really and now we're dating a whore Yeah,
00:37:46.000it was just this crazy bit that I had about it's like we're on the rebound and we're just in a nutty relationship now.
00:37:52.000But I just I don't think anybody should be president.
00:37:55.000I just I don't think it's a good position for human beings.
00:37:58.000I think it was a great idea when we're tribes, when we're a tribe of a few hundred people or a mayor of, you know, a town.
00:38:13.000You know, a mayor can really control a city and do a good job.
00:38:16.000I just think when you get to the scale of the United States of America, it just seems nuts.
00:38:20.000It just seems nuts to have one person run the whole show.
00:38:23.000And then also, clearly not, because, you know, you have this gigantic organization behind it that requires all the money from the donors and special interest groups and lobbyists and all these moving pieces are involved to make sure that the people that get in place are going to suit your interests and fulfill your needs.
00:38:43.000And it's all going on right now while a fucking pandemic virus is sweeping the entire globe.
00:38:52.000Yeah, and I mean, I wish we could just rerun the whole thing because some of the ideas like Andrew Yang's ideas with universal basic income.
00:40:28.000Like in the artificial intelligence side, there's ideas of how to use CT scans, chest scans, and try to detect the early onset of COVID versus just regular pneumonia.
00:40:42.000Because there's a lot of sort of neighboring conditions here, too.
00:40:44.000We're still suffering from flu, right?
00:40:46.000Yeah, that's the thing I was going to say that some enormous percentage, like 85% of people that come in that are sick are not infected with this because this is flu season.
00:40:56.000And the flu so far has killed an extraordinary number of people, which is really weird.
00:41:02.000Like, while this is going on, and this is not to diminish the deaths of the people that have died from COVID, because it's all horrible, right?
00:41:09.000Anyone that loses a loved one, I, you know, my heart reaches, I ache for all of you.
00:41:16.000I feel terrible for anybody who loses someone that they care for, whether it's an old person or a young person to a disease.
00:41:23.000But why is it that we're so terrified of COVID, clearly because it's new, but when the flu is killing more people right now than COVID is, and we're not worried about that at all.
00:41:34.000I mean, we should clearly be worried about both things.
00:41:37.000And this is, again, it's a great advertisement for strengthening your immune system.
00:41:42.000This is a great wake-up call for a lot of people that are unhealthy, that are eating unhealthy and living unhealthy.
00:41:49.000Like, if you value life and it's like, it's so easy to just assume you're always gonna be okay if you're okay now.
00:41:57.000You know, this is the sort of mentality that a lot of us go through life with, that everything's fine, now it'll be fine.
00:42:03.000And this is where preppers go off the rail the other way, right?
00:42:07.000They're like, fuck, the sky's falling, it's all gonna fall apart.
00:42:09.000And those people, I'm fascinated to see how they're gonna freak out.
00:42:15.000Like, now that this is real, and that, like, it's probably a good idea to have stored food, it's probably a good idea to have a small supply of water that's gonna last you a few weeks, this is all a good idea.
00:42:25.000Like, how are those motherfuckers gonna react to this?
00:42:55.000Well, you're seeing that in some places where people have vacation homes.
00:42:59.000And they're leaving the big city and going to the vacation homes and the people that live in these small communities are freaking out because they don't want these infected people coming into their communities and infecting them.
00:43:08.000And they're trying to keep them out of their homes, out of their second homes, which is like, look, you can't keep someone out of a fucking house that they own, okay?
00:43:16.000You can't just decide that you're gonna throw the Constitution out the window and these people don't own their own property anymore.
00:43:21.000But it gets to this weird state where everybody's in a panic.
00:43:24.000So this, to me, is where the president is essential, is to, when people are in a panic, there's so much uncertainty, to inspire the world and sort of take us back to reminding Americans, reminding the world what everyone did in World War II. Yeah.
00:43:38.000Sort of the huge things we've overcome as a civilization, that this is one of those cases.
00:43:44.000And sort of, as opposed to trying to defend your little corner of this land, seeing us as all together, as a community, and sort of inspire that.
00:43:55.000And trying to remove, I think, in terms of winning elections, like if Donald Trump wants to win the election, is just do that.
00:44:02.000Because in these times, difficult times, presidents are popular.
00:44:06.000And if you just forget the stupid red-blue divide and just inspire the whole country, he'll run away with it.
00:44:12.000It's true, but it's hard right now to even have that.
00:44:34.000There's a lot of currency in attacking him and coming up with a great gotcha moment that gets captured in video and then gets released online.
00:44:42.000And so you get all these reporters that have this rare opportunity to talk to him.
00:44:46.000We talked about this one lady who just kept being upset that someone in the administration, apparently she said, had referred to it as the Kung Flu.
00:45:49.000And instead, he made it more like about himself and just didn't...
00:45:52.000Well, with that conversation with that lady, I don't think he did.
00:45:56.000I think that conversation with that lady was like, who said this?
00:45:59.000But that lady represents a large percent of the population full of ridiculous ideas such as that.
00:46:04.000And he gets a chance to speak to inspire that part of the population and say, let's put this social justice warrior stuff aside for a brief moment as we fight a thing that threatens the economic well-being of our nation.
00:46:19.000Well, you hear very little about transgender people using restrooms right now.
00:46:23.000You know, there's a lot of things that you don't hear about.
00:46:26.000You don't hear about gender pronouns and a lot of stuff that was so supposedly important just a small amount of time ago, and it's not to diminish the rights and the values of transgender people.
00:46:36.000It's just to say, I think a lot of what people were complaining about and The reasons why people were up in arms about things is not just because we have real issues with discrimination, but more so that we don't have real problems.
00:46:50.000So we look to amplify problems that might not be nearly as big as they are, or as we would like to think they are.
00:46:57.000You know, I mean, when we're dealing with something that's a real life-threatening, a real huge issue, no one gives a fuck about your gender pronouns.
00:47:07.000You know, no one gives a fuck if you're a they-them person.
00:47:49.000We're sorting through all these different things out, and there's varying levels of economic disparity, physical disparity, mental disparity.
00:47:57.000There's so much difference between all of us.
00:50:02.000But if we can reinforce those, we can remind ourselves of this, we can have these moments, you know, like so many cultures do where they have these religious ceremonies.
00:50:12.000You know, I was talking to Eric Weinstein.
00:50:15.000We were talking about Jews and they were talking...
00:50:20.000And he was talking about how they tell the story every year.
00:50:23.000And the reason why they tell the story every year is to remind everybody, to remind people that you're here because others went through some horrendous shit.
00:50:31.000And let's thank them, let's praise them, and let's remind ourselves we're very, very fortunate.
00:50:37.000And remind ourselves that we're a community.
00:51:40.000Everybody wanted to fight for their country.
00:51:43.000At that stage, in 1941, when Germany invaded the Soviet Union, the order from Stalin was that if you get captured, you have to kill yourself.
00:52:45.000Basically to be a human, just a thing that slows them down long enough to where they don't reach Moscow until winter, which would allow Moscow to defend easier.
00:53:00.000So winter is very difficult to fight, even in World War II in Russia.
00:53:04.000So your basic job is to slow down the troops.
00:53:07.000So you're sitting there with a machine gun, which is exceptionally difficult to carry, and you're just emptying all your bullets.
00:53:21.000There's a particular model, I forget, but most machine guns at the start, they were using basically World War I weapons in World War II. And the machine guns that they were using had this giant metal shield that you hide behind as you're shooting.
00:53:37.000And that shield would turn out to be exceptionally heavy.
00:53:40.000So it's not something you can carry easily.
00:53:43.000So I would venture to say it's probably like 200 pounds, that kind of thing.
00:54:01.000But you have to look at Soviet Union, where the equipment was not great.
00:54:05.000So you're basically throwing human bodies.
00:54:10.000And I mean, so I was thinking about how lucky, because I'm alive because the bullets, like he got hurt, his leg, he got hurt in his leg, and I'm alive because he got hurt, because severely where he couldn't continue,
00:54:30.000And sort of most of his, most of his brothers are dead.
00:54:36.000You're talking about 75 million people died in World War II, most of them in Europe, and 50 million of them, 50 million is civilians, so people without a gun.
00:59:10.000But anyway, in Groundhog Day, which is a Bill Murray movie, different thing, but another old school movie from like 90-something, Bill Murray lives the same life over and over again.
00:59:22.000No matter what he does, kills himself, keeps waking up, same guy over and over again.
00:59:25.000But he learns how to play the piano because he's like, fuck it, I should just learn a bunch of things.
00:59:29.000And so by the end of the movie, spoiler alert, I mean, it's a fucking 30-year-old movie, but he knows how to play the piano.
00:59:35.000He knows how to do a million different things.
00:59:38.000And I remember thinking, like, that is really almost what it takes To be an adult and learn how to play the piano, you must have an unlimited amount of time because to delve into music, to really learn how to play...
00:59:50.000Like if you're a Hendrix fan, I'm a huge Hendrix fan, right?
00:59:53.000That's the reason why this podcast is named The Joe Rogan Experience.
01:01:11.000Well, it's like a lot of comedians, they're basic comedians, but they master the timing.
01:01:16.000Yeah, I think fundamentals is a word that doesn't offend people that means the same thing.
01:01:21.000In jujitsu, you're a jujitsu black belt, you understand.
01:01:24.000That's a thing that for whatever reason is, it's bothered so many people that Vinnie Magalesh was talking about Minotauro.
01:01:31.000They were on the Ultimate Fighter together.
01:01:35.000Minotaur was one of the coaches and Vinny Magaless was working with someone else and he was saying that Nogueira, who's Minotaur Nogueira, who's a legend.
01:01:44.000When he was in his prime, man, he's one of my all-time favorite fighters ever.
01:01:48.000His fight with Bob Sapp was probably one of the most legendary fights in all of mixed martial arts and one of the best examples of technique over brawn.
01:01:57.000I mean, and he's an unbelievably tough guy.
01:02:00.000Minotaur was just an all-time great, but Magalesh, who's a legit world champion, Vinny Magalesh, was talking about Minotaro's jiu-jitsu game, and he said it's very basic.
01:03:24.000One, they have a phenomenally dedicated group of people that have come out of Henzo's because Henzo is an amazing guy and he fostered an incredible sense of community.
01:03:40.000And he comes from the most famous family in the history of martial arts.
01:03:44.000And he is easily one of the nicest and friendliest ones of that incredible family.
01:03:50.000So he's got this gem that's just filled with all these people that are, first of all, honored to be there to train with a legend in a legend school.
01:04:00.000And two, they all have this incredible sense of community because of Henzo and because of the people that Henzo has taught there.
01:04:34.000I mean, he knows how to teach you how to fuck people up, man.
01:04:40.000And he does it in an incredibly scientific, systematic way.
01:04:44.000The way he makes his system and how these guys can progress from being a beginner to just a few years later being able to tap really high-level black belts is sensational.
01:04:56.000And that's what people, the reason I brought them up is people often don't think of footlocks or the lower half of the body as a part of the basics, quote unquote.
01:05:06.000But I think Donahar is one of the people who, with Dean Lister and so on, who helped discover the basics of footlocks.
01:05:12.000Yeah, there's a famous quote from Lister.
01:05:48.000It wasn't like people were doubting he was an amazing grappler.
01:05:50.000But when he pretty easily tapped Cyborg, it was a real wake-up call for a lot of folks.
01:05:56.000Yes, but on the point of basics, it's interesting when compared to music, this is what's mysterious to me about watching Jiu Jitsu, watching Haja Gracie, is you watch him do basics and destroy some of the greatest black belts ever.
01:06:27.000Their top game is just fucking horrendous.
01:06:30.000But they're doing the same stuff I do, but it feels different.
01:06:34.000And only by feeling it do I discover it.
01:06:37.000The cool thing about music is I can actually, it's more, it reveals itself clearer by, you can hear the difference between Hendrix, like Stevie Ray Vaughan playing a bend.
01:06:47.000Like I played Comfortably Numb, a cover of Comfortably Numb, and I put up a video.
01:06:52.000And a bunch of people were like, your bends are not quite like David Gilmour.
01:07:52.000There's a thing about music too that it seems that there's a big difference between doing it Figuring you like paint trying to keep track of what the chords are and what the notes are and Someone who knows knows they know know they get their deep in it So there's no wondering whether or not they can play it It's just simply an expression of mood in the midst of playing it that you get from like Some of Stevie Ray Vaughan shit is a good example that he
01:08:22.000had a very bluesy moody version of guitar playing you know like some of his stuff like you could you could you could feel like pain in it you know you could feel pain and some of some of his course along with his voice too right he had that live hard voice Yeah,
01:08:43.000but it was a more of aggressive kind of pain.
01:08:46.000If you look at like a B.B. King, that's more blues.
01:08:49.000There's this like soulful, like mellow pain and the thrill is gone.
01:09:24.000Is it a combination of a bunch of other people's sounds that you've kind of put together and adopted as your own sound?
01:09:33.000Is it the classic sounds that you've reworked to become your own?
01:09:37.000Like what is your own sound as a musician?
01:09:40.000I think it's probably similar to comedy.
01:09:47.000Your own sound is discovered only once you get technically just good enough to mimic others and then you can just put all the technical bullshit aside And be good enough to try to hear your own voice.
01:10:06.000So when I played the David Gilmour solo for Comfortably Numb, it doesn't feel like me, to me.
01:10:36.000That's a great way of putting it, visiting a good friend.
01:10:39.000And I think the early days, I really want to make clear, because this is embarrassing, I'm not playing guitar enough these days to be impressive, so...
01:11:52.000That's one of the things I did, you know, self-isolation now, is for the first time in a long time, this will sound weird, is I actually like laid in bed and listened to music for like, just listen.
01:13:28.000He writes constantly for a bunch of different publications weekly.
01:13:32.000And then he also puts together a radio show every week.
01:13:35.000So he puts together a playlist and he puts it on the radio and he narrates it and talks through it and guides people through his musical selections.
01:13:44.000And that was like, listening to him talk about that was one of the first times I've ever actually considered like, oh yeah, there's like real value in just sitting down and just listening to music.
01:13:54.000And one of the things that worries me about Henry is, so he's not, I don't think, married and doesn't have family.
01:14:03.000While that life seems appealing, I was, because I'm in danger of going that direction.
01:15:16.000He said something to me once when we were both really young, more than 10 years ago, probably when I was training with him, probably 2013, like 15, 16 years ago, maybe even 17 years ago, somewhere around that range.
01:15:31.000But we were younger and he was talking about children and having children.
01:15:34.000That for him it was there was part of it that was for his own personal edification Like he thought of children as being important for his own like growth as a human and you know raise of deeply spiritual guys a yoga teacher and he's like And I never thought of it that way.
01:15:55.000I was like you look at it like for your own and I'm like, okay and I think As a man and in raising these little girls and seeing these daughters grow up and for sure I've learned a lot about human beings.
01:16:14.000But also, I learned a lot myself about my perception of humans, of babies to people.
01:16:23.000And I've talked about this on stage briefly, but it's too weird to sort of articulate in a joke.
01:16:30.000I used to always think of people as being a static thing.
01:16:34.000Like I'd see a guy and he's a 55-year-old, you know, truck driver.
01:16:38.000And I would think that guy has always been that guy.
01:16:41.000And now I go, oh, you used to be a baby.
01:17:32.000Like, that's how you get to be this guy.
01:17:34.000You don't get to be this guy because you just choose to be a piece of shit.
01:17:38.000You know, that's not what happens to people.
01:17:39.000You become something from your circumstances, your genetics.
01:17:45.000There's so much involved in who you are.
01:17:48.000And we, I don't think there's any, there's not much value in being mad at someone for who they are.
01:17:54.000You know, you could kind of be mad at the impact that it has on your life, their stupidity, and we're all, you know, justified in doing that.
01:18:02.000But I think one of the things about having children of your own is you realize when you see someone who's a mess, like, okay, I kind of see, I understand how that can happen now.
01:18:13.000It was before I would just be mad that it's there.
01:20:51.000I'd go back to that town and I feel like I felt, when I was in high school there, I felt like an outcast and I felt like a weirdo and I felt like a loser.
01:21:02.000And so I'd go back there and all of a sudden I'm like, oh, I'm a loser.
01:21:06.000There's like a part of you, I mean, I went back again with my family a few years back and I didn't have that feeling anymore.
01:21:14.000But then you were the father of That helped too, but it's also a lot of thinking, you know, years and years and years of thinking and years of trying to appreciate all the things you've learned and process them correctly.
01:21:28.000Do your best to have the best, most balanced perspective on what this all is.
01:21:32.000So then when I was going back, I was just...
01:21:34.000Really what I was tripping out more than anything is about the concept of memories, you know, because I have this weird database where I can go to this strange part of the planet Earth, this weird patch of land known as Newton Upper Falls, and I can go.
01:22:39.000I lived next to a place called Echo Bridge.
01:22:41.000Echo Bridge is kind of a famous landmark, because you can go under Echo Bridge and yell, and Echo Bridge echoes, and has this crazy, like, thing.
01:22:48.000And so we'd get drunk and go into there and sing Billy Squire songs, like...
01:22:52.000Lonely is a night when you find yourself alone.
01:22:57.000That was my, you know, 1980s style high school experience.
01:23:01.000But going back there as a grown man, you know, and then...
01:23:08.000And a grown man who's at least gained some Grasp of perspective, you know, I was in my 40s at the time and Wandering around this town.
01:23:19.000It just was very interesting to to This the concept of memory was very stunning to me the concept of Accessing all these different moments where I'm thinking about different times in my life I was in these different areas and different things happen and interacted with people and I can kind of pull those up and then so it's a memory is such a strange thing man It's so strange because we all know it's flawed.
01:24:15.000You have a weird blurry slideshow that you can kind of play in the back of your head and then you have a narrative of how it all went down.
01:24:23.000But that narrative, I mean, it's terrible in terms of accuracy, but in terms of its power and influence on your life is amazing.
01:25:09.000Well, how about all these poor people that have to move back in with their parents because they lose their house because of this fucking crisis?
01:25:14.000And maybe lose their dream if they're doing a small business.
01:25:19.000Yeah, how many restaurants are going under right now?
01:25:22.000I mean, it might be more than 50% of small businesses.
01:25:45.000In this sort of speculative way that we're doing like now, like how many people are gonna like it's almost like people could think that it's not it doesn't give enough respect to the enormity of the moment because it's so so scary for all of us We're all in the middle of this shit right now,
01:26:31.000This is one thing that I want to crack home to people.
01:26:36.000It is not good that all these people are out of work, but look at how much compliance we have when we know we have to work together to save lives.
01:27:46.000I think it's people realizing, okay, it's time to realize that some shit has actually happened, and we've got to band together, and we've got to figure this out.
01:27:54.000And you got the usual suspects, conspiracy theories and 5G and fucking, they just pulled the David Icke interview.
01:28:00.000David Icke did an interview with London Real.
01:30:32.000So if you have various theories or various stories that people come out and talk about with that one, Yeah, and I just actually, yesterday, listened to Eric Weinstein's solo podcast on Jeffrey Epstein.
01:32:42.000Do you think that it's possible that...
01:32:45.000Look, I mean, if you just look at it from a perspective of the big theory, the big theory, right, is that he's some sort of a intelligence operative, right?
01:34:03.000Yeah, and I tried to go back to it and listen to it again.
01:34:05.000I'm like, while he was talking, I'm like, okay, I'm so far behind here of what he's, I'm just gonna, like, try to keep up, but recognize that I'm not going to, and then go back.
01:34:32.000When he's describing complex things, he describes them to people that understand complex things.
01:34:38.000No, but it's also, I mean, this is the criticism I have, this is what I'm going to nail tomorrow and always tell him, is he almost, he hates explaining the basics of something.
01:35:20.000Operative of the intelligence community, but the the pedophile thing is a mess up on the part of the intelligent so they didn't know they didn't know so well it could it could also be That he felt like he get me remember when this is all started out when he started out doing that It was all before social media,
01:35:42.000So he probably thought that he had this incredible amount of power because of the fact that he was connected by the intelligence community, if he was.
01:35:50.000He probably thought he could get away with it.
01:35:52.000Makes you wonder of all the horrible things that happened in this world before social media, before the spread of information was possible.
01:36:24.000So there's a bunch of sex criminals that live in the Vatican.
01:36:28.000And there was a recent thing with Australia where they acquitted some, I believe it was a cardinal, that was accused of sex crimes with children.
01:37:34.000I mean, I don't even want to get into depth about it because I get disgusted.
01:37:37.000There's quite a few documentaries about sex crimes in the Catholic Church, and one of the more horrendous crimes involved that guy Ratzinger that they had to kick out as a pope.
01:37:47.000You know, that guy was personally responsible for moving a priest who was molesting kids, moved him to a new place where he molested 100 deaf kids.
01:37:59.000Just imagine that you could be, that that person can exist inside the structure of the Catholic religion or the Catholic Church.
01:38:08.000And that doesn't mean they're all like that.
01:38:10.000I mean, I'm sure there's a large amount of beautiful people that are involved in the Catholic Church.
01:38:15.000You know, there's probably a large amount of people that really only want to do the work of God and become a better person, and that's why they're in it.
01:38:23.000But You also can't deny that this is a thing that exists.
01:38:28.000And even in 2020, this is still an issue.
01:39:38.000Like the stories of just thinking like learning more about my grandfather what was going through Russia and Europe We take for granted now that we can go to the grocery store.
01:39:49.000We still have food We're kind of talking about it, but like imagine there's no food.
01:39:57.000That you're starving so millions of people gonna die from start and imagine what you're gonna do for your family and Yeah.
01:40:26.000It can destroy societies in ways we can't imagine.
01:40:32.000Bill Gates was basically, in his very polite, nerd way, saying that we should really be worried about it.
01:40:37.000We should really be investing in a huge infrastructure for vaccine development, for testing, all those kinds of things.
01:40:44.000Yeah, I think because of his charities, you know, he's sort of looked into it a lot deeper than a lot of other folks have.
01:40:51.000And because he has an infinite amount of time and money, he's probably sitting around thinking like, what is, how come people aren't looking at that?
01:46:44.000Do you think they lean into that because they were bullied by people who work out a lot, so they think of those people who work out as like, I don't want to get into their thing.
01:46:56.000And you kind of create a narrative where, like, jiu-jitsu or fighting is like a brute thing, just like you talked about with Greek statues having small penises.
01:47:06.000You say all those barbarians with their big penises.
01:47:46.000Sometimes people just have awesome bone structure.
01:47:49.000And if they stimulated themselves mentally, if they pursued things, if they had an interest in certain scientific or esoteric ideas and you underestimated them, you'd feel really humiliated if a super smart but super hot girl put you in your place and let you know,
01:48:11.000not only am I hot, but I'm fucking smarter than you, stupid.
01:52:48.000Because your body is exhausted in a way that's like, like after a good workout, but it continues going farther and farther into that direction.
01:55:20.000Of course he was making it seem like it's gonna be easy and let me kind of walk it back like the gratitude thing was the filming was hard and but it's actually a really cool experience so before the run I wrote down 12 things I'm really grateful for like family like Family,
01:56:50.000It's a mental test of how much you want to do something really stupid.
01:56:57.000I guess it's a marathon test, but you have so much more time to think about how stupid the thing you're doing is that makes it a really big mental challenge.
01:57:08.000Would you, if you had the option halfway into it to just finish the run, just keep going until it's over?
01:58:48.000I did some shows at the Improv and then I was supposed to do some shows at the Comedy Store and we were talking about it and they said the room's too big because they were limiting the crowds down to 200 people.
01:59:42.000You know the comedy store doesn't want anybody to get sick and they were worried about people losing income But they were also saying like it's probably the right idea to just shut down and then the improv shut down shortly after But they all shut down before they were required to they just shut down because it just seemed like the walls are closing in But did you realize at that time this might be the last time way man because it might be I am I don't want to say anything but it might be a long time before you do stand-up comedy What do you think?
02:01:12.000It was weird to watch because it's good.
02:01:14.000It's intense, like his other specials, right?
02:01:17.000He talked about pedophilia and everything.
02:01:19.000But it feels weird to see a crowd and to listen to a comedian in this time not mention coronavirus, right?
02:01:29.000So it made me realize that I have a hunger, as probably a lot of people, to hear a comedian talk about We want to see stand-up comedy about the virus.
02:01:42.000I guess a podcast is a kind of replacement.
02:01:48.000We're all alone with our thoughts and our paranoia and then news media, which in many cases is accelerating our anxiety because there's value in developing stories and writing stories that get people outraged or clickbait.
02:02:17.000This is a certain e-community that we're all a part of, you know, and...
02:02:22.000I feel very connected to that now, you know, because this podcast is it's kind of taken on a different form over the last few years, which is one of the reasons why I actually have to address people talking about politics in me.
02:02:38.000I'm like you guys are out of your fucking mind if you're listening to me, but I have to accept that that this is part of the new form this thing is taken and And another form this thing has taken is that it's sort of like an electronic campfire in a lot of ways.
02:02:55.000There's a great value to people just sitting around shooting the shit.
02:03:00.000And I know there's a lot of people at home that can't You're not chiming in.
02:04:01.000But also there's this, I think most people, not most, but there's a big percentage of the population who just enjoy being shitty, but they also enjoy being nice.
02:04:11.000Sometimes, yeah, because they're not being shitty for real.
02:04:15.000Yeah, so as long as you're able to inspire them to be nice, or at least more, because shitposting done well has a humor behind it, and actually a love and respect behind it that's kind of obvious.
02:04:31.000Whether it's you or me, or whoever it is that they're shitting on, if they're saying something funny, and one person takes the hit, but a thousand people reading those comments go, bah!
02:04:43.000I'm not trying to stop anybody from commenting.
02:04:45.000You know, there was a time where the comments were blocked off because the streaming didn't allow comments because we didn't have a chat in the streaming.
02:04:53.000If you have a chat in the streaming, it devolves into racial slurs and ethnic slurs and anti-Semitic slurs.
02:05:00.000It's fucking chaos sometimes because people just want to see if you're reading that while you're talking, they want you to react.
02:05:06.000So they'll write some horrible shit just so that you react sometimes.
02:05:53.000There is so little time to just process life that any time that I spend trying to rationalize or trying to accept or trying to process someone's comments, like, There's not enough time for that.
02:06:59.000Often they're just like… Oh, so you're saying they're rude but they have a valid point.
02:07:04.000Because I find that rude people are more likely… Like I'm so fortunate to be part of a community who are really nice to me and just in general nice.
02:07:12.000I find that they're unable to tell me sort of constructive criticisms in the following… Like if I mumble or if I'm not articulate with my ideas or if I use a certain word too much or if I'm too stuck in a certain kind of perspective,
02:07:29.000you need the asshole to come along to call you like a liberal douchebag or something like that.
02:07:38.000You know, friends are for busting balls.
02:07:40.000I mean, that's one of the things about comedians that a lot of people had a hard time.
02:07:44.000When we started doing podcasts, one of the things that a lot of people had a hard time with was how mean we are to each other.
02:07:50.000Like me and Brian Callen and Eddie Bravo and Brennan Schaub when we start goofing on each other or other comics that come in here and goof on each other.
02:07:58.000When we goof on each other, we goof on each other hard.
02:08:54.000That's one of the reasons why so many great comics came out of Boston.
02:08:57.000It's because it's fucking cold and people don't have time for your bullshit.
02:09:01.000And because of that, because of that lack of attention span or short attention span, you learn how to come out of the gate fast and you learn how to appreciate people's time.
02:09:52.000But by the way, he has the thickest skin of any fucking human I've ever met in my life.
02:09:58.000Never, in all my years of knowing that guy, and I've known Cal for 25 years, 25 fucking years, never have I seen him get upset at someone mocking him or insulting him, getting legitimately insulted by it.
02:11:54.000My granddad was a soldier On the front in 41 The bullets took his brothers But his stubborn luck held on The sky was filled with fire Millions lost in flames Hate and love were all there And the world never the same Some days
02:12:24.000will sink in sadness And the way of them to talk Don't lose yourself to madness The way out is love When the New York towers crumble We were all New Yorkers too For a moment all just human Not the same old red or
02:12:54.000blue And the wicked will go on scheming For the power in the pain But the heart that longs for freedom Is a fire they'll never tame Some days will sink in sadness The weight of them to talk Don't lose yourself to madness The way out is love The
02:13:31.000virus took our comfort that was never ours to own When the enemies inside us were together but alone This life is so damn fragile,
02:13:48.000a leaf caught by the wind But every breath that's tragic Ignites a hope within Some days will sink in sadness The way of them too tough Don't lose yourself to madness The way out is love Lex Friedman,
02:14:42.000Last time I came on, I really wanted to play Hendrix.
02:14:47.000And I actually had my guitar, and I chickened out.
02:14:51.000So I thought, okay, because it's actually technically really difficult to play in front of a lot of, you know, because you're not going to let me, like, try a few times, right?
02:17:41.000But there's this kind of calm before the storm kind of period.
02:17:46.000And then some people become more religious.
02:17:49.000They start to search for the bigger meaning of life outside of the material possessions.
02:17:53.000And then the doctor represents the idea that no matter what, he gives himself fully to his craft of helping other human beings.
02:18:04.000And overall there's a story that This idea that suffering is just part of life and the only way...
02:18:12.000There's a natural temptation when there's cruelty and suffering all around you to isolate yourself and to withdraw from life because anything you do in life is going to lead to suffering.
02:18:29.000Dating, like if you get married, it's going to lead to suffering because eventually you're going to lose the people you love.
02:18:37.000So there's a natural desire to withdraw.
02:18:40.000But in fact, what he found, the doctrine, what he saw around him, is that love and compassion, like giving yourself fully to the love of other human beings towards community, is the only way to deal with that kind of suffering.
02:18:55.000To me, it's a really profound story about About love being the right response in a time of crisis.
02:19:47.000I think in 1947 he wrote it as a kind of allegory of World War II, a way to talk about the virus that first infects the rats and then affects the weaker humans and then affects everybody.
02:20:00.000It was a connection and an allegory and analogy to the Nazis.
02:20:05.000And so I saw the connection between now and the Nazis.
02:20:10.000Of course the scale there with World War II was much more intense.
02:20:14.000And finally just how fragile this whole damn thing is.
02:20:19.000My grandfather had probably a single digit percentage chance of living.
02:22:43.000There's something to that in that what is...
02:22:46.000If you stopped and think if you were a cow or a carrot or tomato plant or avocados or chickens or...
02:22:56.000Think of the things we fucking consume.
02:22:59.000Think of the living things that we pull out of the ground and shove into our bodies and Consume now think of that was something else think of that was you know if there was A population of animals,
02:23:16.000like tuna, that just got wiped out by something the way we wipe them out.
02:23:21.000You go, whoa, like, oh yeah, there's a tuna virus, and it's literally killed 80% of all the tuna in the ocean.
02:23:29.000We're down to like 20% capacity in tuna.
02:23:37.000This virus with boats literally goes hundreds of miles out into sea with these giant fucking fiber nets that it's created.
02:23:46.000And it sucks these things into the nets and pulls them out with giant cranes and dumped them into a refrigerated hull and then brings them back to shore to get cut up and sold.
02:25:41.000Leading scientists tell CNN that it's...
02:25:43.000Listen, CNN's trying to do their best.
02:25:45.000But they have perceptions that other people don't agree with, just like everybody else.
02:25:50.000Leading scientists tell CNN that it's possible the virus didn't just come from bats in the past months, but it may have existed in humans many months, even years before it grew into a deadly pandemic.
02:27:04.000So when someone's done something for the Times, it's not so good or flawed, yeah, okay, but it's still not.
02:27:11.000That one person, that one article, whatever it is, is not the Times.
02:27:14.000The Times stands for something, right?
02:27:16.000What the New York Times is supposed to stand for, what it always did when I was a kid, and does now to a lot of people still, it's the cream of the crop.
02:27:27.000It's the ones that have the deepest insight, the ones that nail it.
02:27:32.000And we'd like it free of bias, but it's run by humans.
02:27:37.000You know, this is the problem with CNN, it's the problem with any news source, but we still need news sources.
02:27:42.000But it's run by humans that need high salaries and there's a huge amount of people involved in making that system that is a CNN. So there's several mechanisms of innovation required.
02:27:54.000First, like this podcast here, podcasts in general, require very few people to run.
02:27:59.000Now that there's an infrastructure to communicate with a lot of people.
02:28:54.000And when you read his take on or see him make a take on things, he is giving you the most honest, objective take on it possible.
02:29:02.000And it's really hard to get that from a network.
02:29:05.000First of all, it's really hard to get what he does for a network because you're going to get these giant chunks Where he can talk about something for as long as it takes to describe what the issue is.
02:29:50.000You have these standards that you've created a long fucking time ago, and this is the biggest handicap that legacy media has other than their inability to be free, like a guy like Tim Pool is.
02:30:55.000It's possible, but people can look at things like you have an idea, a subjective idea of what something means when you're looking at it objectively.
02:31:03.000So you're looking at a thing objectively.
02:31:05.000You're being honest about what it says.
02:31:08.000But you also have preconceived notions of what each individual aspect of that certain thing means and what's good and what's bad.
02:31:15.000That's where the subjective aspect of objectivity comes in.
02:31:19.000When you look at certain things that happen, there's certain ways you can look at something and not have a bias, but look at something and you have a preconceived idea of what aspects of it should or should not be tolerated.
02:31:32.000And maybe sometimes it takes someone else to come along and say, okay, well, why do you hold these beliefs?
02:31:37.000So, yeah, you're absolutely right, but the problem is that Based on your skill set and your momentum in history, you might look at a very particular aspect objectively and not see the bigger picture.
02:31:51.000Tim Pool has revealed and has focused on certain aspects of problems in the system.
02:31:57.000And he continues to focus on them, maybe not seeing the bigger picture.
02:32:01.000That's impossible for any one person to see the bigger picture, I think.
02:32:06.000I tend to see, in a lot of things, the beauty of things.
02:32:41.000You can be positive, you can be negative, you can be very cold and fact-based, you can be very flamboyant and very kind of excited, use a lot of visuals, all those kinds of things.
02:32:53.000And all of that changes the way the message is carried.
02:32:56.000Which is why we should have thousands of tin pools.
02:33:01.000Well, I think they're going to spring up out of the void that's been created by this distrust in legacy media.
02:33:07.000Especially now, I don't know if you've been paying attention, but YouTube, there's so many people, like my brother, has now put the camera on themselves and say their opinions.
02:33:53.000Look, when I do this thing, I'm doing this thing four or five days a week, and I'm becoming more connected with people in some weird way that no one ever thought it was ever going to happen before.
02:34:03.000Where there's people that are listening to my voice right now in their ear while they're running.
02:34:54.000I always anticipated this being some weirdo fringe thing that very few people would connect with, which is why I never tried to censor it at all.
02:35:02.000I tried to do a vast majority of it completely high out of my mind and hang out with fun people and just talk shit and have a good time and not have a different perspective.
02:35:15.000Some people have a public voice and a private voice.
02:36:44.000He listened to a few of the aspects of that podcast and he was like, he's incorrect about several things.
02:36:48.000He was correct in the dangers of CWD, which is chronic wasting disease, which is a disease that they are absolutely terrified is going to make the jump from animals to people.
02:36:59.000It's very similar to like a mad cow disease.
02:37:52.000And they're walking around like a skeleton and they're vomiting all this goo and slime that comes out of them that's infected with CWD and then these animals come along and eat those leaves that they were eating and that they threw up on and then they get it too.
02:38:07.000This stuff even can get apparently into the DNA of some plants.
02:38:14.000One of the really interesting things that's amazing on a positive note is that it seems like we haven't seen a virus that's both, or any kind of thing that jumps to humans, that's both deadly and spreads easily.
02:39:34.000When would it become something that does tip that scale and become something more catastrophic?
02:39:39.000Well, if you were looking at it objectively outside the system, you would say, well, when one part of the system becomes overbearingly powerful— That's us.
02:40:40.000So the weight of ants is the same as the weight of all the people.
02:40:44.000That's how many ants there are, which is pretty crazy if we stop and think about it.
02:40:47.000But they don't have the same impact in terms of their impact on other creatures, like the tuna that we're pulling out of the sea, their impact on the pollution.
02:41:38.000Well, not only that, death that was probably left to rot out in the streets and horrendous smells and people didn't understand viruses and diseases back then.
02:41:48.000Smallpox, I would say, like when I talk to a virologist, they say smallpox is the scariest of them all until we develop the vaccine.
02:41:56.000But smallpox, you Native Americans, I mean, they decimated, smallpox decimated.
02:42:04.000Probably, I don't know what the number is, but more than 50 million.
02:42:08.000Yeah, the number is supposed to be stunning.
02:42:11.000In some places, as many as 90% were killed by European diseases, smallpox and the like.
02:42:18.000I mean, imagine something that just comes to America and wipes out 90% of us, and then you understand what it must have been like for the Native Americans when they encounter the European diseases that the Europeans had already developed antibodies for.
02:43:00.000What I'm saying, though, is overall the number of people, the percentage of people that have died from this and then compare that to the impact that smallpox had on Native Americans.
02:45:08.000But you need the infection number to calculate the percentage of the deaths correctly.
02:45:13.000So you have to test, I don't know what the percentage is, but it's a very large percentage of population, probably 20-30% of the population.
02:45:21.000You have to sample randomly, not people who are showing symptoms, not people who are, like, no, just sample randomly to get that number accurately.
02:45:31.000There's something about every apocalyptic movie.
02:45:34.000There's something that happens where you realize that these people have accepted a new normal.
02:46:39.000I don't know, but I'm saying if there was a movie or a television show where people behaved with social distancing and everyone was afraid of everyone's viruses, like the reality that we're experiencing right now.
02:46:50.000If there was a television show like that, you'd be like, what?
02:46:52.000What kind of weird fucking show is this?
02:46:54.000You would think it's so strange that there's a virus that makes New York City quiet.
02:46:59.000Like, drive down New York City, you see a car.
02:49:00.000They're almost like afraid of this, and that really worries me because it has a potential of just separating us, damaging the sense of community.
02:49:10.000There's long-term ramifications if we keep this and not hugging each other shit up.
02:49:15.000And we have to all be aware of that fact.
02:49:37.000And there's a lot of people that don't even know what it is.
02:49:40.000And you get infected and then it gets systemic.
02:49:42.000Gets in your blood and you know there's a lot of people that just don't know any better and they're not good at going to the doctor and they Develop some sort of infection by the time they go somewhere and take care of it It's really bad and they're in trouble like they could die, but thank God they have fucking medicine for that at least they can give you a fighting chance So people aren't afraid of jujitsu.
02:50:06.000You still do jujitsu even though people get staph.
02:50:08.000You know, I know a bunch of people that have gotten staph from training.
02:50:12.000They could all be dead if it wasn't for remedies, right?
02:50:16.000If it wasn't for antibiotics, if it wasn't for, you know, taking the proper care and treating it.
02:50:23.000Apparently some people have treated staph organically.
02:50:27.000And Rhonda Patrick was actually talking about, I think she had MRSA. At one point and as part of the treatment along with antibiotics, she introduced garlic into the actual wound itself and apparently that had a pretty profound effect.
02:50:41.000Oh man, I'd love to see the studies on that.
02:50:43.000I wish I remember what she said about that.
02:50:57.000She's talking about different nutrients that support your immune system, particularly vitamin D. She takes a lot of vitamin D. But she's just talked about all the various forms, whether it's through sauna or cold plunges.
02:51:10.000She's the one who turned me on to that, all that stuff, heat shock proteins, cold shock proteins, and the impact of it.
02:51:17.000And there's some videos that you could find online of her talking about it.
02:51:20.000She's also written some articles about it, and she's just a huge fan of that hormetic response and how important that is to your system, keeps your system healthy.
02:51:32.000Dude, I've been doing it seven days a week, which I wasn't doing before.
02:52:16.000I've been working out a lot because of this lockdown.
02:52:19.000I've been doing a lot of Muay Thai, too.
02:52:23.000A lot of hitting, punching, and kicking shit.
02:52:27.000That always makes me really sore makes my joint sore and That fucking sauna every day is kind of knocked all that out.
02:52:35.000I feel great You know and I've been throwing a lot of power kicks and punches and all this shit and everything feels good Everything feels real good.
02:52:44.000I just think there's a giant Benefit to doing that on a regular basis.
02:52:51.000You can buy one and put it in your backyard.
02:52:53.000If you have that kind of scratch, I say do it.
02:53:40.000There's actually a little scale in the sauna.
02:53:43.000It's like the top of it is the degrees and the bottom of it is the humidity and you're supposed to calculate those and find out exactly how hot it feels.
02:53:51.000But either way, you throw a little bit of water.
02:53:54.000I throw three little spoonfuls of water on that bit and just sit there and fucking suffer.
02:53:59.000And when you get out of there, everything just feels looser and more relaxed.
02:54:03.000As soon as your body comes back to a normal temperature, you just feel so much better.
02:56:47.000Showing you how to get your fuck muscles going.
02:56:49.000But this is him explaining the correct way to do kettlebell swings.
02:56:55.000But I... I mean, you can get a lot of his workouts online.
02:56:59.000There's a lot of workouts online from people.
02:57:02.000If you've got a YouTube account or a computer that gets online, go to YouTube and find these kettlebell workouts that people put online for free because they put a great workout up there for free just so that you subscribe to their page.
02:57:16.000They'll give you some value and what you're giving them is a large audience.
02:58:55.000It targets those so uniquely because when you're at the bottom, when your heel is up and you're on the ball of your foot and you rise up, it's like all that muscle for the whole beginning of the rise.
02:59:07.000It's all that part of the quad right by the knee.
02:59:11.000It's a really unique way to target that muscle.
02:59:13.000And guys who do it a lot, like a lot of those dudes are really into catch wrestling.
02:59:17.000They would do like 500 a day, every day.
02:59:19.000They all have these like preposterous legs.
02:59:22.000And that was, like, a big part of the development of their strength, was just doing ridiculous numbers of Hindu squats.
02:59:28.000And you can also do, like, I usually, I used to do them a lot, like, especially when I competed in the jiu-jitsu and wrestling, I would do a lot of them, and I would also, like, jump.
02:59:38.000So, like, you explode into the squats, as opposed to sort of slow.
03:01:00.000So as long as you're in the butterfly guard, even if you're flat on your back, if you have him in your butterfly guard, he's not pinning you.
03:02:20.000Because the amount of traction that you can get from a rubber sole with texture on the bottom of it versus just your foot, your slippery-ass, bullshit foot that's slipping around on the canvas.
03:02:32.000With your wrestling shoes on, you get traction when it's wet.
03:02:53.000I used to think, yes, you should have a hard-on, or you can't fight.
03:02:56.000I used to think that you should have to have no gloves, but then I've been watching this bare-knuckle boxing, and people's faces get fucked up so bad.
03:05:53.000Well, Ray Longo, who I respect very much, said that fighters shouldn't be fighting because, I don't know if he said they shouldn't be fighting, but he said he definitely felt like it wasn't fair to the fighters because they don't have a full camp.
03:06:06.000They're not going to be able to show who they really are.
03:06:52.000He's trying to be the UFC lightweight champion.
03:06:54.000So he's probably not getting too out of shape.
03:06:57.000And he probably knew that in this case there is a potential that one of those guys could drop out because they've already made that fight four fucking times and it fell apart.
03:07:06.000So this is the fifth time it's fallen apart, which is nuts.
03:07:42.000Do people have to be on standby for last minute fill-ins?
03:07:45.000I think there are some people that they asked to be on standby.
03:07:48.000They have definitely done that before and they've asked guys to make weight and there's a lot of guys that have been through a full camp and they're paid for a full camp and they're paid to make weight.
03:07:58.000This is something that's happened several times in the UFC's history where guys show up because they're there to fight and step in if something falls apart.
03:08:08.000Especially if you have a guy who maybe struggles with weight cutting and you might fall apart and get pulled from a fight.
03:08:14.000Or someone who's maybe injured or sick and they're like a little nervous with this fight.
03:08:19.000We're getting super fights every week, do you think?
03:09:50.000That would be an interesting conversation.
03:09:53.000I would like this kind of conversation.
03:09:55.000I just wanted to talk – not wanted, but I think what they wanted is to talk with the NSF and certain heads of the administrations and just saying this is a really – it's important for us as a country to stay ahead on innovation in terms of artificial intelligence.
03:10:12.000It's a little bit – It's a little bit less about getting into the human story of a human being, which I think Trump is one of the most interesting people that have been in office.
03:10:23.000Yeah, if you're studying humans, he's definitely one of the most interesting.
03:10:27.000The reason I bring that up is I was thinking...
03:12:54.000I know I have all the right connections for it.
03:12:56.000I think he would do it because he will understand who I am.
03:13:00.000And the second part is I have a little bit of a Conor McGregor situation going on where everything I've done in my life that I decided I'm going to do always happens.
03:15:27.000Father, I said, I'm looking for The meaning I should be living for He put a finger to my lips and said, shh, let the old man speak They call me Brian Callahan.
03:15:39.000In this cruel world there is a man you should listen to as you journey on through life.
03:16:06.000Then he mounted his horse And he looked to the sky And he rode to the sunset With a tear in his eye And the legend goes The old man rides on Singing the words To this terrible song Joe Rogan You