In this episode of the podcast, I sit down with writer and podcaster Duncan Campbell (The Midnight Gospel, Adventure Time) to talk about his new Netflix show, The Midnight Gospel. We talk about how he got his start in comedy, what it's like to be a writer and producer in Los Angeles, and what it s like being a father to a young boy. We also talk about what it was like growing up in a compound and how he dealt with the aftermath of the 9/11 terrorist attacks. And we talk about some of the weirdest things he's done in his life, and the weird things he does in his job, and why he doesn't want to move to another city. This episode is sponsored by Dunkin' Donuts. Don't forget to rate, review, and subscribe to our new podcast, The Empty Bowl, wherever you get your coffee and stay tuned for new episodes every Monday morning! Logo by Courtney DeKorte. Theme by Mavus White. Music by PSOVOD and tyops. If you like what you hear, please leave us a review on Apple Podcasts and we'll send you a rating and review on iTunes. Thank you! Also, if you leave a review and a review, we'll be listening to your podcast recommendations and sharing it on the next episode of Adventure Time! tag us on Anchor.fm/adventureland. Thanks again! -Jon Sorrentino Jon Sorrentinos Timestamps: 1: 2:00:30: 3:20: 4:40:00 5:15:30 6:00 :00 7:00s: 8:15 9:30s: What's a good day? 11:40s: How do you feel about Adventure Time? 12:00a: What do you think you're going to do with it? 13:00? 14:00 | What are you'd like to see more? 15:00d: Is it a good idea? 16: What would you like to do? 17: Is there a better place to live in the future? 18:00 Is it better? 19:00or 15:20s: Do you think it's a better than that? 21:00 Or 15:10s: Are you working for 5 cents an hour?
00:00:01.000It's hilarious that your biggest concern was getting stuff in your beard and me not telling you about it.
00:00:06.000You've got a strange one going on, man, because you kind of like trimming the sides a little bit and then you're puffing out here in sort of a bow tie fashion.
00:00:13.000You're looking at this struggle between who I was and who I am.
00:00:37.000How, how crazy can you go in a compound?
00:00:39.000Now that you're a father and this craziness went down and your protection instincts, protective instincts kick in, have you been thinking about moving elsewhere?
00:00:57.000You know, it's a constant consideration, especially when you have a kid.
00:01:02.000And aside from, like, apocalyptic prepper bullshit, there's just a general feeling of, like, you know, I think if I... Were a little boy, I would want to be in a place where there's creeks and places I can run and woods and forests and stuff like that.
00:02:54.000Yeah, and it's like Pendleton Ward, who made Adventure Time, he listens to my podcast and he just, I don't know, we had a really great collaboration and that's a lot of Pendleton and it's a lot of like 150 other people at Titmouse Studios,
00:03:11.000like Jesse Moynihan, like just these brilliant people.
00:03:15.000People like Mike Mayfield, who are like, who just...
00:03:18.000Also, by the way, a non sequitur, or when we were making it at Titmouse, one of the really weird things was walking by an animator, and they're watching your podcast while they animate the Midnight Gospel.
00:04:01.000I don't know if it's slaves, but I mean, if you're working for five cents an hour and you live there, you know, there's people that live in bunks.
00:04:09.000You've seen those setups where they have for some of the cell phone factories where they have bunk beds and shit.
00:04:16.000These people just live in these dorms.
00:04:51.000Yeah, somebody tweeted at me that my biggest decision of 2020 is going to be when do I get a tattoo of Clancy on my body, which is pretty awesome.
00:05:43.000Doing animation, and I'll never be able to look, even if an animated series, if I don't like it, or if the plot's weird to me or whatever, I'll never be able to be like, whatever, man.
00:05:54.000When you realize how much and how many people have to do just one frame, how much time goes into just milliseconds, and how many people are sitting in these rooms that are lit specifically so you see all the colors, having real deep conversations and debates over,
00:06:13.000What color they should make a pizza cutter in the show?
00:06:18.000What should the shade of gray be for this one specific area?
00:06:22.000So much thought goes into that, and that's part of making one of these things.
00:07:15.000It's like Titmouse Studios who did that is like, you know, I would go in there so stoned and I would just start getting that feeling of like, this is a temple.
00:07:24.000I don't think this is even a, you could call this a studio as much as it's a temple.
00:07:28.000I mean, why wouldn't you call it a temple?
00:07:30.000And then you see all these people, you know, focusing their life energy on essentially like bringing a thing to life.
00:10:01.000I wouldn't agree with you in a technical sense, but in a sense of like, well, it is affecting the things it comes in contact with, at least through a one-way dimension, right?
00:10:12.000The things it says hit people, the animation, it seems like it's a living thing.
00:10:40.000There's something that they can do where they just can kind of capture you in like a little symbol, like a little thing, a little character.
00:10:49.000But they capture you in there somehow.
00:11:44.000Not to say the show, it doesn't have, like, chaos and wild psychedelic stuff, but any decision we made ended up, like, any decision you make creatively in anything, it's like, what am I trying to say?
00:11:56.000Like, what is the artery that is running through this that I'm trying to express?
00:12:02.000And then getting as close to that as you can, and then putting it out there.
00:12:07.000Because otherwise, the whole thing gets blurred by all the I guess you could say, like, extra bells and whistles you might want to attach to it, you know?
00:12:17.000That's something you taught me, too, with stand-up, man.
00:12:19.000Like, how important it is to just, like, cut, just trim the fat, trim the fat.
00:12:24.000And that's a sad thing to do with comedy, when you think you got a nice eight-minute bit.
00:12:30.000It's like a two-minute maybe, but you, you know, instead of...
00:13:57.000You don't realize this is like a masterpiece of syllables and pauses and the right amount of outrage and segueing it in and hitting you with this at the end and all these things that have put it together that make a great Bill Burr bit.
00:14:12.000It's like if you don't know, it's hard to draw what he's drawn.
00:14:53.000So when we were coming up with that, we had to come up with a character.
00:14:56.000And so what's really fascinating about it is this character goes into a multiverse simulator and chooses a new avatar for every place that he goes.
00:15:07.000So you have to take that character And put it in a completely different drawing that is that character and still maintain the body language that you're maintaining in that character to produce continuity.
00:15:20.000That's one of the challenges of the show.
00:15:23.000And also the conversations you end up having just to come up with his hat or what's he going to wear.
00:16:39.000Dude, when you're around someone who's actually put that together and you realize how detailed it is, your respect will go up regardless of thinking, I don't think I'd ever do it.
00:16:49.000When you see someone who looks better than the version of Spider-Man that Marvel's putting out, it's amazing to watch that happen.
00:17:01.000That kind of contagion, too, of like, you know, again, obviously, Clancy isn't alive, but I know what you're saying.
00:17:10.000But we had this chat last time I was on, which I really love, is the origination point of ideas.
00:17:22.000And so to me, in my more stoned states, when I consider this show represents over 100 people connecting and the connection in between those people channeled this universe, I do think like...
00:17:40.000Maybe there is a place in the multiverse like this or something like this.
00:17:45.000And then where it got really weird is people started sending me their art from like images that they had drawn on dimethyltryptamine or ketamine and stuff that has within it similarities.
00:17:54.000And I've obviously never seen their art where you're like, shit!
00:18:01.000As television, as viewing things gets more complicated, and as it gets more immersive, It's going to come to a point in time somewhere where you're going to think Clancy's alive.
00:18:13.000And what you're experiencing when you watch Clancy, what if the way we're looking at life is wrong?
00:18:19.000What if we should just look at it like a thing?
00:18:24.000So there's a thing that you do where you drink water and you grow plants in the dirt, and this is a thing that exists only when the people press a box.
00:18:32.000And the box goes live and it shows a video.
00:18:36.000And then the thing only exists in there.
00:18:38.000But you go, well, it's not alive because it needs animators to make it and someone has to come up with the idea for the storyline and it needs a studio to fund it.
00:18:49.000You need food, you need oxygen, you need water.
00:18:52.000There's a bunch of living organisms inside your body that are 100% necessary for you keeping going in a regular life, driving your Tesla, listening to music.
00:19:45.000I mean, look, if you want to take it to like, okay, forget all the shit about channeling some alien realm into this realm through, you know, this disguise a TV show, whatever.
00:19:53.000Let's just look at what we know is going to happen regarding technology.
00:19:59.000I mean, already somebody made a Clancy in Minecraft, and I saw a picture of that.
00:20:03.000So Clancy is now existing in 3D space and some Minecraft blocky version of that.
00:20:09.000But then, of course, as time progresses, the Chromatic Ribbon or any great animated series, Castlevania, whatever, Gravity Falls, all those things, they're going to end up getting...
00:20:21.000I put into 3D space in virtual reality.
00:20:25.000And then those worlds are going to be real, but now it's going to be more than just 2D. It's going to be a virtual space that is going to be real.
00:20:33.000And then, of course, it's only a matter of time before AI just understands the character of Clancy, animates the...
00:20:42.000The virtual Clancy in the simulated space, and now the chromatic ribbon is real.
00:20:48.000And then at some point, when is it just going to be accepted that, oh yeah, that's a part of the universe now that's inhabited by artificial intelligences, which we don't call that anymore, because you know at some point it's going to be considered off limits to call them artificial intelligence.
00:21:17.000That's a matter of time because I already know people in the tech world who think The term AI is ridiculous in the sense of like, what do you mean it's artificial?
00:21:29.000Like, you could say this is artificial sweetener in the sense that it's not actual strawberry juice, but it's certainly real as real could be.
00:22:43.000And like, when I was at the Comedy Store, a guy from Google, I got in a conversation with someone from Google, which is awesome, and he was telling me that they, this is like six months ago, he was telling me that, obviously before the pandemic, he was saying that they had achieved What do you call it?
00:23:01.000And he was like, this is like the Wright brothers taking flight, but nobody can understand it because it's so arcane that it's not getting the press it should get.
00:23:11.000But then I was like, I don't have one too many vodkas, man.
00:23:17.000So I wish I could remember all they were saying, because he was trying to describe to me what it means regarding how quickly this thing is making calculations.
00:23:24.000And I was like, yeah, of course I understand exactly what you're saying.
00:23:27.000I have no idea what you're talking about, dude.
00:23:30.000Did you know that that word came under fire, the term quantum supremacy, because of its connection to white supremacy?
00:23:53.000I think what it is, is it's somebody trying to come up with an angle to write a blog that they could sell to somebody.
00:24:00.000It's like, you need to come up with some weird hot take, right?
00:24:03.000So it's like, I think more than likely that's just somebody thinking like, I bet people will read that, you know?
00:24:09.000Because clearly whoever is comparing that to white supremacy or racism didn't spend four minutes Watching the Google clip on it where people are explaining what it means, which, you know, I'm watching it on the couch with my wife.
00:24:32.000Let's go deep and see what the the white videos that start suggesting for us to because it's not like Google's being secretive about what the what they did.
00:24:41.000I don't think people are like I guess people are a little more concerned with other shit right now, but one of the engineers over at Google just was saying, like, you know, I think one of the things I'm excited about when it comes to quantum supremacy is that this could be one of the technologies that allows us to discover an alien intelligence.
00:25:02.000Just, you know, kind of casually mentions that.
00:25:04.000I mean, yeah, it's on the YouTube video.
00:25:07.000You're watching it and you keep looking up To make sure it's actually released from Google because it seems so sci-fi that it could be like Black Mirror or some shit.
00:25:20.000But it's, yeah, it's like they're just saying it.
00:25:23.000Like, yeah, we might connect to an alien.
00:25:26.000We might be able to at least identify it.
00:25:28.000Maybe they mean because they're going to be able to sift through all the data we already have from radio telescopes and stuff that they could maybe look for signals that we can't find.
00:26:36.000I've thought that many times when tripping in the middle of having some sort of like really vivid interaction with some intelligence or with some perceived intelligence.
00:27:03.000I mean, maybe this concept of planets and then stars and the way we have it set up here in this dimension, in this universe.
00:27:11.000We just think that's how everything is.
00:27:12.000Everything is, well, there's a star and there's planets around it.
00:27:15.000What if you can go into a place, chemically, that takes you to a nearby dimension where there's no matter?
00:27:22.000Where there's no form to things and everything that exists is just thoughts and light and perception and emotions and anger and fear and love and hate and it's all moving in geometry and everything's lit up and everything's impossibly bright and vivid.
00:27:37.000Maybe that's just like another place you go to.
00:27:39.000Well they used to call it the spirit world.
00:27:55.000Not only can you go there, but there's a visionary artist, when you look at the art that has been inspired by various entheogens, it all has a specific flavor to it.
00:28:15.000You look at that, and one of the reasons it resonates for people like us...
00:28:21.000It's because we admire the fact that somehow they managed to go over there and come back and draw what's over there in a way that we saw that.
00:28:33.000But when I came out of it, it's like, well, you know, it's...
00:28:37.000Undulating colors and there's some kind of disembodied intention that seems to be expressing itself through a variety of geometries, but it's not just geometries because the geometries seem to react to the way that I feel regarding the geometries, so it's also kind of taking on the form of my energy output as though it's trying to be a combo mirror,
00:28:59.000but not just a mirror, an educational mirror that's sort of showing me how I'm affecting the world around me.
00:29:05.000Then again, I'm just not sure if I was just super high, but they go in there, and Alex Gray said this to me once, that they're cartographers.
00:29:25.000Cartography is fascinating because you go back and look at the old maps or you go back and look at like, my favorite thing is like old pictures of a giraffe or like old pictures of some shit somebody saw when they were Oh yeah, like bison on the walls of caves.
00:29:42.000And it kind of looks like a bison, but also it's somehow in that time period our brains hadn't evolved to the point they have now.
00:29:49.000So you look at a medieval drawing of a giraffe or something someone saw in the Crusades and came back and tried to explain to somebody.
00:29:59.000It looks exactly like the way your description of getting completely blasted on psilocybin probably looks compared to what you saw.
00:30:08.000It's a downgraded, weird version of it.
00:30:13.000People like Alex and Allison or Terrence McKenna, they're so good at going into that place and maintaining some kind of Like long-term memory that they can come back and fully articulate it in a way that we as people who've been there know what it is and then there's something comforting in that because that does point to the idea that this is a place.
00:30:38.000We're not just mashing down the watch or we're not just distorting our biotechnology.
00:30:49.000Now, that could be a synaptic place or a genetic place that happens to be in humans or something.
00:30:56.000You know, we'll never be able to answer that probably in our lifetimes.
00:30:59.000But to me, regardless, it's still a place.
00:31:03.000And to get back to what you were saying about our current concept of travel.
00:31:07.000You know, our current idea that, well, I need to get my meat body over here, because if I don't, that means I'm there.
00:31:13.000And, you know, that's how I know I've been there, because I was there in my body.
00:31:18.000You know, this is like the guy who founded the Hare Krishna, His Divine Grace AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.
00:31:25.000He would show, he would, in his writings, he would like...
00:31:29.000It was derisive of the idea that people were sending a metal ship to the moon with bodies inside of it.
00:31:36.000He would say that shows where human consciousness is right now because they think they're their bodies and they think they need to put their body in this box and send it to the moon because they haven't figured out yet that you don't need metal to send yourself to anywhere in the universe that you want to go.
00:31:58.000And also, I remember reading that and thinking like, but I still want there to be interstellar fucking travel, man.
00:32:05.000You know, like I still want to get in the box and travel to the moon.
00:32:09.000That being said, you know, I think that you're on to something when you are contemplating right now that maybe our idea of going to one place or another with our meat bodies could be looked at in the future as a little archaic.
00:32:21.000Well, when they talk about there being different dimensions, right?
00:32:26.000Like when they use quantum physics to determine the number of dimensions, they've determined there's multiple dimensions that we don't have access to, right?
00:33:30.000I'm glad you're asking me this because, you know, I got my doctorate at the University of Bro Science and I can't fully answer this question.
00:34:29.000I noticed like mouse turds around the dog food and it sucks because you're like damn that mouse is definitely gonna get through the doggy door and then we're gonna have mice in the fucking house and that's gonna be a nightmare so anyway I was like under a tree with my kid and I looked down And there's a broken body of a mouse that one of the dogs took out.
00:34:50.000It's, you know, like just been smashed to death.
00:34:55.000I don't think my son saw it, thank God.
00:34:57.000I don't think he's ready to deal with that reality that like Gatsby on, speaking of dimensions, on the dimension subjectively that that mouse lives in, Gatsby is a dragon.
00:35:08.000That's a monster that lives in the field it runs in when it's trying to get food for its kids.
00:35:47.000Dude, he's like tap dancing on this mouse.
00:35:50.000And he realizes that we're approaching to take his prey.
00:35:53.000And he just looks back like the fucking American werewolf in London and just goes off into the shadows behind the house to finish off the mouse.
00:36:08.000That poodle's the sweetest little thing ever.
00:36:11.000But like it's also I think maybe something in animals knows that like and there was a time when mice were a sign that things are they would eat your grain.
00:36:42.000One of the reasons why we don't have rodents, like real rodent problems that we could, like New York City has, is we have way more coyotes.
00:38:19.000Get back to your dimension thing, man.
00:38:22.000Not that it's literally a physical dimension, but the reality tunnel that my poodle lives in and that mouse lives in is so fundamentally different than our reality tunnel that the mouse is in the Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
00:38:36.000The mouse is in The Walking Dead, except it's like two Cavalier, King Charles, a poodle, and a Chihuahua.
00:38:43.000But for the mouse, that's The Walking Dead, and the mouse...
00:38:49.000And so it's constantly developed this way that humans would develop, which I think The Walking Dead did a good job of, the comics especially, of showing the way people over time would evolve to deal with zombies and how people would gradually, completely...
00:39:06.000Change or transform based on their predators.
00:42:12.000Well, this is one of the cool essays Terrence McKenna wrote, I love, that we've talked about before.
00:42:20.000We've talked about everything we've talked about already, so fuck it.
00:42:24.000But isn't that one of the things he said in this beautiful, crazy essay?
00:42:29.000Everything was cool until we split the atom and then that was like no they're like we can't that's too much that's we're we're always in transit so when we say everything was cool until the thing about people is we're always going somewhere in terms of we're always trying to make better things and we're always moving into a better place and a better thing that that there's never gonna be it was good until this is all like Romantic thinking like looking back.
00:42:57.000I'm sorry I don't mean he's saying it was good until we split the atom.
00:43:00.000He was saying, we split the atom and the greater intelligences that were existing in alternate dimensions were like, hey, wait, what the fuck?
00:43:16.000The way he put it, and I'm not only paraphrasing, I'm probably misphrasing, but as I remember the essay...
00:43:25.000The idea is like that parallel timeline, the multiverse right next to ours that you see, that's the DMT realm.
00:43:33.000But this DMT is just showing you one version of it.
00:43:36.000But that is populated with spirits or aliens or whatever the name you want to give them.
00:43:43.000And they are pretty much, as far as we go, they're just like...
00:43:48.000They look at us the way we look at birds or whatever.
00:43:51.000It's like they're there, but maybe some of them study us or are interested.
00:43:55.000Sure, maybe some of them hunt us from time to time or maybe some of them possess us or whatever, but mostly it's a world that coexists with us with a very limited form of interaction.
00:44:21.000But the splitting of the atom, that was powerful enough that it bled over into their realm destructively.
00:44:28.000And so they were like, that was the beginning of the end for us.
00:44:32.000Not because it meant a nuclear holocaust or whatever, but because they couldn't just ignore us anymore.
00:44:37.000And that this was like, you know, I don't know.
00:44:41.000Maybe this is where aliens are coming or the singularity.
00:44:44.000The thing we call the singularity is not that we technologically...
00:44:49.000Create a machine that produces a thing that opens up a parallel timeline or creates all moments at once, but rather that's when they come here.
00:44:58.000That in the way we see that, because we're so limited in our understanding, when I do something, I'm like, I'm doing this!
00:45:06.000This is like, in music, If you write a song, or you write music, and you're just in the room with somebody, there's some kind of law where they get credit for it, because just they were there.
00:45:19.000Musicians, someone explained this to me a long time ago, but there's an intense way of quantifying collaboration in music that is a little different than in making other forms of media.
00:45:32.000And I think it's a little bit more sophisticated in its Way of looking at that quantification, like every time we finish a podcast, we always have the same, damn, whenever we talk, it's like you bring, like these conversations we have,
00:46:10.000But so, to get back to the weirdo idea of technology not even being a thing we're making, but we're pretending we're making, because we can't see the fact that technology is crystallizing in our time frame, and as part of that crystallization, because it's such a...
00:47:32.000And, you know, I was driving over, I'm like, I want to talk about all the different conspiracies about it with Rogan, but I don't want to either.
00:48:08.000My conspiracy friends, I'm not even going to attempt to give the download on it, because, like, y'all have done a pretty good job of putting all the pieces together out there.
00:48:16.000Whether they're real or not, I don't fucking know, but I enjoy reading them late at night.
00:48:20.000And they've been giving me terrible dreams.
00:48:58.000Like if an astronomer that's not connected to one of our labs or whatever sees it, they're going to let people know.
00:49:02.000And then, you know, so that's a whole different, I think, method of like reacting.
00:49:06.000But what if we see a thing that they don't know about?
00:49:10.000There's some probability, even a 20% chance the thing impacts the Earth, right?
00:49:15.000Or there's some cosmic event maybe we're not even aware of, like the Sun doing some weird shit that we don't even know happens because it's like deep data, right?
00:49:31.000And it's like, well, if we just tell people that the Sun's going to do like a mile blip, which is going to destroy all...
00:49:39.000Satellites and destroy all GPS and just that alone would cause runs on the bank mass panics like in people would start looting and shit and that's not you don't want that because ideas like we want them to hole up in their houses till the shit passes so we get maximum survivability and so the whole pandemic this is a conspiracy theory not real the whole pandemic was A plan to get people to go inside,
00:50:08.000store up food, get them off the roads, and wait for whatever this event is to pass.
00:50:14.000And as soon as the event passes, you'll find that all of a sudden it's like, what do you know?
00:50:46.000It's so good that I married the person I married because if not, I would probably be digging a hole to crawl into out of pure paranoia because she does do this to me.
00:50:56.000She's like, Duncan, do you think there isn't a COVID virus?
00:54:00.000But hopefully whoever's like making these decisions is aware of the fact – That like right now there's folks who are getting Meals on Wheels.
00:54:09.000There's folks who are like on unemployment and lost their job and like I hope they're aware of the fact that like, and I'm sure they are, that the pressure of folks who are in this That horrendous economic position, the pressure on them at some point is going to exceed the humanity and compassion and empathy they're showing by not being in the demographic that's most likely to die and still staying inside,
00:54:52.000But at some point, that pressure is, people are going to be like, look, I don't want to kill anybody, I don't want to be a carrier, I don't ever want to hurt anybody, but my kid has got to have food.
00:55:05.000And, you know, and then I think somewhere there, hopefully by then there's at least a treatment they've discovered, or at least we get to a point where they've, you know, where maybe what's happening in Sweden, we get enough data on that to realize that there's other ways to do it that don't involve complete lockdown.
00:55:23.000What they did was they sort of left everything open, but they all behaved as if there's the potential of contacting or transmitting, right?
00:55:50.000If you look at nearby countries, the death rate is lower.
00:55:54.000But weirdly, countries that were doing complete lockdowns have higher death rates than they do.
00:56:00.000And, you know, look, the problem is that you have this glob of data that anyone can interpret.
00:56:07.000And there's probably angles you can take on it that would show, look, yeah.
00:56:10.000Yeah, there's a higher death rate, of course, in Sweden, because it's going to spread more if people aren't staying inside.
00:56:15.000I mean, that seems pretty logical to me.
00:56:17.000But then also, if you're showing some conflicting data where some other country in complete lockdown with a similar population or somehow equating their population with Sweden's population, if they're...
00:56:31.000If they've got a higher death rate, then that's fucking terrifying, man, because the implication of it is like we really don't understand what this is.
00:57:46.000But yeah, it's nice to be on the West Coast.
00:57:47.000And especially right now, Jamie was, you know, talking about like, think of the people right now in New York who are just in, you know, alone in an apartment, seeing the news that apparently spreads through like air conditioning ducts.
00:59:03.000And every state that opens up right now becomes an experiment.
00:59:08.000We're going to get a lot of data from what happens from all these states opening up right now regarding the efficacy of a shutdown like we have right now.
00:59:19.000And it could be that all of a sudden we realized we overreacted.
00:59:56.000It seems like for whatever reason, these places where people are stacked on top of each other, not only do they get it, but they get it way worse.
01:01:09.000You know, I've got, I've got, not in a bad way, yeah, exactly, like I didn't, that was one, watching him.
01:01:14.000Was one of the things that was legitimately creeping me out is like as you're watching him and he did a great job holding it together, man.
01:01:21.000He didn't panic and he like put something out there that was like comforting to some degree.
01:01:25.000But, you know, I was scanning his eyes and there were moments where I'm like, fuck, he's rattled.
01:01:29.000Like whatever's happening to him at night is bad, bad.
01:02:55.000I'm glad I don't have to be the one who makes decisions like this because that must be a weird thing to be in a position where any decision you make kills people.
01:03:04.000Like, if you make the decision to open up, people are gonna, you know, die because they're gonna get sick.
01:03:11.000If you don't make this decision to open up, there's a potential that, you know, just think of the mentally ill people right now.
01:03:19.000Like, I keep thinking of like the manic depressive people, the people who are already depressed, who now can't go outside, but are also getting blasted with apocalypse news.
01:03:28.000I don't know what suicide rates are looking like right now, but like, you know what I mean?
01:03:32.000So it's the decision to keep people shut down.
01:03:37.000You know, what might result from that, those deaths might be secondary or tertiary or some shit.
01:03:44.000But still, it's like, it just sucks to have to be in a position where you have to make those decisions.
01:04:24.000It doesn't seem like the best idea either.
01:04:26.000It seems like the best idea would be to quarantine all the people that are very vulnerable, to make sure that they quarantine and make sure that people who know them are aware, you know, do not, you know, touch them or touch anything around them.
01:04:37.000If you could have potentially been in contact with something because they're immunocompromised.
01:04:43.000The move seems like to quarantine the people, at this point at least, to self-quarantine, you know, tell them to quarantine people that are really vulnerable, older people, people with, you know, people that smoke, people with respiratory conditions.
01:04:57.000Be aware that you're vulnerable, you know, and then you act accordingly.
01:06:47.000Now a Republican gets in office, hey, these are the people that are the fucking animal rights activists that always get in front of the meat plant.
01:07:23.000Once they're injecting, I've talked about this way too many podcasts in a row, but there's a company that had these people inject a microchip in their arm and they could wave it in front of the soda machine and get fucking snacks with it and shit.
01:08:24.000Every single one of these chips means...
01:08:26.000You know, also, when you combine those chips with augmented reality so that you could have a visual floating around them as, like, the mascot of the various companies they work for.
01:08:35.000Or, like, you know, like, let's say we do get the chip, right?
01:08:38.000The chip exists, and we all just somehow decide, like, yeah, well...
01:09:02.000And of course it would start off with a decision to make.
01:09:05.000What data in the chip do you want people to be able to see with augmented reality?
01:09:10.000And so this is where you run into what I think the future is going to look like with this shit.
01:09:15.000It's like when you're walking around in your company and you're Employee of the Month and everybody's wearing augmented reality goggles, you're going to have some kind of Employee of the Month halo around you.
01:09:27.000So everybody's aware that you made the most sales, you know?
01:09:34.000It's going to be like that for like, you know, it's going to be brutal as far as, let's say, credit scores go, right?
01:09:42.000Because if you've got a great credit score and you want to indicate to the world that if you want to Get into debt.
01:09:49.000You can, baby, because you've got a great credit score.
01:09:51.000You're going to have this glowing shit around you.
01:09:54.000And the moment one person decides to reveal that, everybody's going to feel like they have to reveal it.
01:10:00.000And if you see someone who doesn't have the good credit score crown or whatever, like the banner of great credit floating in front of them, you're like, yeah, you're probably fucked, right?
01:10:15.000But you'll be like, yeah, but you know, he doesn't have the glowing medallion of good credit on his AR self, so I don't know if he really owns any of that stuff, you know?
01:10:27.000Then there's going to be all forms of that, which leads to venereal disease.
01:10:34.000You could go into a bar, and if you just got tested, and you're clean, so to speak, then maybe there's a little AR Clean angel that flies around your head like, he doesn't have herpes!
01:12:11.000But then it's going to be like, okay, but do we put that in their augmented reality chip profile so that anywhere they go, people are seeing that this is a person that hurts kids, you know?
01:12:24.000And there's going to be a conversation about that where people are like, fuck yeah, that's what you do.
01:12:28.000Like, I want to know if some weirdo is getting anywhere close to my kid.
01:12:36.000Anyway, that's the slippery slope that leads to the dystopian Black Mirror future and that great episode where there was...
01:12:46.000And I think they are doing it in China.
01:12:49.000They have a legit social score in China.
01:12:51.000This is a real concern if this technology does get released in time and people start using their COVID tests and putting it on their QR code, that little thing that you do with the photo, and it scans you like a plane ticket.
01:13:15.000Email the other day, it shows that you have been going, I don't know who has this data, but you've been going down to San Clemente during the lockdown?
01:14:28.000But still, that power that anybody has to say, you can't work, you gotta stay home, you can't go to the park, you can't go to the beach, That power's weird.
01:16:51.000I saw something popped up on my Instagram.
01:16:53.000Some company saying if you're aware that your bosses are violating software, like don't have licensed software, We'll give you a reward.
01:17:04.000Inviting people, disgruntled employees who know that their boss is running stolen photoshop or whatever, to make a little money and fuck their boss over.
01:17:14.000That invitation to snitch, that is a satanic invitation, man.
01:17:20.000I don't care what level it's at like in general unless you're looking at like hardcore Snowden level whistleblower like you've been down in the deep underground military bases and you saw the fucking thing in the egg that could read your mind and you're like I can't keep it to myself!
01:19:17.000And it's like, because what you're asking for there, which is another thing that I think the state, anytime anyone starts doing this, then you really have to start thinking about who you voted for.
01:19:27.000But like, because the idea is like, I love it when...
01:19:31.000You know, and I'm cheesy, and I am a fucking hippie, and I get accused of stoner talking shit, but yeah, I want there to be world peace, and I want people to love each other.
01:19:41.000And when I see, you know, any even the slightest thing that like transcends political divides, We're like, you know, people who've hated fucking Trump and people Trump have hated.
01:19:54.000I saw something where like, I can't remember who it was.
01:19:57.000Like, God, what's the name of the Mormon politician that was running for president against Trump?
01:20:22.000And fucking, you know, and then, like, there was this just flickering moment where Trump retweets that or says something about it and says, like, I didn't know he had that sense of humor, but I liked it.
01:21:02.000What I'm saying is, when anything that divides one neighbor from the next, anything that invites neighbors to divide instead of unite, is cancerous, literally, for society, in the sense that what's going to start happening is the...
01:21:18.000The pixel of society is the neighbors.
01:21:21.000That's like the connection between your neighbors makes up the tapestry of the entire country.
01:21:26.000And that connection, if it's broken or weird or fucked up, then that's fucking everything up.
01:21:33.000And so to invite that, invite anything that fucks that up.
01:21:36.000Is, to me, really, really long-term disastrous.
01:21:41.000It's like, the idea would be like, hey, is your neighbor an old person?
01:21:46.000Go find out if your neighbor's an old person and can't get food.
01:21:49.000And if they are and you get food to them, we'll pay for it.
01:22:26.000Why don't we have a way of monetizing kindness and acts of, like, grace to your neighbors instead of monetizing, like, you becoming, like, literally what is one...
01:22:39.000A universally derided thing, which is a snitch.
01:27:10.000Yeah, actually, now that I think about it, the flowers...
01:27:15.000You know, it did seem like there was something like sticky and creamy on the flowers.
01:27:21.000But, you know, I'm saying like, again, this to me, not getting too much in the macro, because I'll go insane if I get in the macro, getting into the micro, which is your direct, literally your direct neighbors, and like making some connection with them.
01:27:38.000You know, like the guy who lives across the street, we talked for like two minutes and it was wonderful.
01:27:43.000And he's like, if you need tools, just let me know.
01:30:41.000That's probably like one of those if you build it they will come things like do you imagine how hard you would trip inside that place?
01:30:47.000Do you know I'm saying yeah now like I don't think it's I don't think it's a But like you could do DMT in a shitty apartment and still have some crazy mind-blowing trip But you can't tell me that coming to this place and going through this Entheon portal Yeah,
01:31:05.000this isn't gonna have some fucking crazy effect on the way you trip.
01:31:09.000Yeah, oh my god, but that you know that was the idea of a temple I mean that the idea is and not I'm not just saying to trip or whatever but the concept is like You know, let's acknowledge the fact that maybe our ideas aren't necessarily coming from inside our brains.
01:31:27.000Let's just as a fantasy imagine that there is a divine intelligence that as one of the many beautiful things it pushes into this particular realm is art.
01:31:36.000And that if we can figure out a way to purify the connection with that thing, then we become receivers for that.
01:31:41.000And by doing that, we allow that thing to begin to exist in this world.
01:31:46.000And a temple was a place that allowed that connection to be refined, purified, intentionalized.
01:31:53.000And in that, there's a solidification called Inspiration or art or whatever the name is you want to give it, but it's really, it's like output from a place that maybe is, you know, a few floors up from the one we're at.
01:32:08.000It's having a pretty wonderful party right now.
01:32:12.000And like part of what we do is like allow it to drip into this realm, which is potentially a denser realm.
01:32:19.000It's dense, you know, and like ideas, if you look at your ideas, they're light.
01:32:24.000They're like, they don't have a lot, at least my ideas, like, they're not like heavy.
01:32:31.000Inspiration feels like barely anything.
01:32:33.000In fact, it's so barely anything, think how easy it is to miss a good idea.
01:32:36.000How easy it is to think something cool that maybe you want to write down for a joke, and you're just like, I'll write that down later, and then it's gone.
01:32:44.000And so in part of what they're, I think, are all about, or I mean, again, that's me putting it on them.
01:32:50.000They have a wonderful description on their website about what they're all about.
01:32:52.000But to me, part of what creation is, is taking those things, allowing them to come through you, and then allowing this realm to do what it does, which is to crystallize them in a denser form that other people can enjoy.
01:33:05.000And, you know, That enjoyment is, you know, that's enough.
01:33:12.000It doesn't have to be some lofty ass shit.
01:33:14.000It's just like people get a little, like, this tiny little smell of heaven, like a better place, a lighter place, a place that isn't.
01:33:24.000Encumbered by so much bullshit is this particular realm that can like completely take someone out of a depression man that can completely give somebody the you know juice they need to like get back out there and like open up themselves to the world and not be shut down just one little like tiny tiny minuscule reminder of like don't worry there's this isn't the only place there's simultaneously amazing things happen happening which you're part of you just don't realize it yet And...
01:35:00.000Maybe what we're doing is we're trying to apply, when we think of how we are here in this life, we're trying to apply those laws to whatever we experience when we do that.
01:36:13.000And so we have a thought and we're thinking to ourselves, ah, I just got a good idea.
01:36:19.000We don't know that if we had a different way of quantifying time and space, we might have just seen some ethereal mist drift through us that produced a thing we called a thought that we thought must be us.
01:36:31.000So you look at a thing in that realm and it's shifting and converting.
01:36:34.000And you notice that that conversion seems to be happening in relation to how you're feeling.
01:36:39.000And now you're in a chicken or the egg conversation, which is like, who's reflecting who here?
01:36:47.000Which of us is real and which of us isn't?
01:38:13.000You can tell if a person's off, like they're not really connecting with you, or they're pretending to connect with you, and you're like, whoa, I got a weird vibe from this guy.
01:39:01.000That's the part of you that you're still dealing with some trauma when you're a kid.
01:39:07.000And you're seeing that trauma in all the things around you.
01:39:11.000And so you're in an argument with someone who hurt you 20 years ago when you're talking to somebody who vaguely reminds you of that person.
01:39:20.000And if you're in the UIV, you're still having the argument.
01:39:24.000And if you're not aware that you're still having that argument, then you can start saying shit like, Why do I always end up with the same person?
01:39:31.000It's like, I always draw this kind of person to me.
01:39:33.000And it's like, well, maybe you're drawing the exact same kind of person to you.
01:39:37.000Or maybe you're running the same movie on a different screen.
01:39:41.000And being like, I've seen this before!
01:40:19.000Now your projection has sprung to life in front of you because you've essentially animated a person with your expectation of them.
01:40:28.000And then, because that person is acting the way you thought they would act, because they don't know the fuck they are, you're making monsters with your imagination.
01:40:35.000Well, that's what cult leaders do, right?
01:41:01.000Manson was tied up with the CIA? Oh my god.
01:41:03.000Almost definitely a part of these fucking psychedelics LSD experiments that they were doing on hippies.
01:41:11.000Almost definitely experimented on him, probably in prison, but almost definitely allowed him to get out of when he violated his parole, let him loose, let him free, supply him with acid, monitor him, They were monitoring him every step of the way.
01:42:17.000Very connected in multiple different ways.
01:42:21.000Connected to LSD and hippies, LSD and mind control, LSD, trying to come up with a Manchurian candidate, trying to get someone to commit murder and not even realize they did it.
01:42:34.000Because Jack Ruby was all fucked up on that program when he killed Lee Harvey Oswald and afterwards went completely insane, was seen by the very same doctor that was running the clinic where Manson used to go.
01:42:45.000This guy was a CIA doctor, was a psychologist or a psychiatrist dosing people up with LSD, running studies on prisoners, getting students to run studies, getting scientists to run studies, not even knowing they were doing it through the CIA. Kaczynski, too.
01:43:00.000How about Operation Midnight Climax ran brothels in San Francisco and a couple other places where they dosed people up with acid and watched them fuck.
01:43:28.000Here's a controversial fucking thing to say, which someone reminded me of a while ago, which really freaked me out, kind of, which is like, back then, like, right now we know a little bit more about some of the shit the CIA did.
01:43:45.000A lot of it because they put it on their website.
01:44:29.000It does like a, not a supernova, but just does a big-ass flare that kind of like melts whatever side of the earth happens to be facing it.
01:44:39.000You know, that's like the kill shot that a lot of these remote viewers were apparently saying that they were seeing because they were realizing that they could actually...
01:44:47.000They weren't sort of bound by time and these visions, and they all started sharing this vision of this thing.
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01:47:25.000We're just doing like what the programmer wants.
01:47:28.000It's like, I know you're going to freak out for two months.
01:47:30.000We're going to give you like a protocol of antidepressants because you can go nihilistic or absurdist when you realize you're just a string of code that's running, but you'll get over it.
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01:49:20.000What if the next line was like, hey, what's up, Joe?
01:49:22.000That's cool you're showing this on your podcast.
01:49:29.000But I do think, like, in there is they're also kind of saying, like, that being said, if you can set shit on fire with your mind or something when you're stoned, come talk to us.
01:50:59.000Tom O'Neill was his neighbor for like 20 years.
01:51:01.000He was neighbors with Greg and Greg the whole time he was doing this book while Greg was friends with him.
01:51:08.000It took him 20 years to write this book.
01:51:10.000It started out as an article for Premier Magazine and then as he started uncovering all these inconsistencies with the trial he realized that there was kind of a bullshit trial and that the Prosecuting attorney like everybody had there was there was deals that everybody had made to have a specific narrative go through and Susan Atkins one of the people from the Manson families on trial her her fucking defense attorney was like a former prosecuting attorney that had worked with Vincent
01:51:40.000Bugliosi and all these other people before they were all buddies and they signed him to her and To take over for her state-appointed attorney.
01:53:01.000So, you know what's so bizarre, and I don't even want to say it, but I think it's like, because you say it, and then people see you say it, and they're like, see, you're all in the CIA! But something Rick Doblin, you know, I was bitching to Rick Doblin on a podcast, and I was doing this thing I used to do when I was younger,
01:53:17.000Which is like trying to create an all evil, all good binary regarding people who work like in the CIA or people who work in even the DEA or whatever.
01:53:28.000That thing you do when you're being lazy in your way of thinking, right?
01:53:58.000The thing that's somewhat annoying in the sense that it requires nuance rather than a heavy-handed, they're all evil, is some of the people in there Are really like 100% trying to keep at least people here from getting blown the fuck up.
01:54:19.000And they're not like, oh god, let's find another manson.
01:54:32.000Actually, JPL, the place Parsons was at, man.
01:54:35.000I think it was BP or Shell or some oil company.
01:54:41.000Generally, we all look at the oil companies and think, they're all the worst!
01:54:46.000While you're driving in your car, you'll be like, these fucking oil companies!
01:54:50.000They were working on some kind of new solar panel technology.
01:54:55.000It was like Shell, or I don't remember which fucking company it was.
01:54:58.000I remember saying to the guy, like, This technology, if it works, doesn't this destroy the oil industry?
01:55:04.000Like, don't they know they're working on a technology that's gonna make the thing they make money selling and buying irrelevant?
01:55:12.000And he's like, oh no, these companies are so big.
01:55:15.000That there's departments within departments within departments.
01:55:18.000And that's where it gets fucking crazy about the CIA. Which is like, the people in the CIA don't know, obviously, all the people in the CIA. Exactly.
01:55:43.000So if you're in 1953, okay, and you're finding out about LSD, and people are taking LSD at parties, and people are taking LSD at concerts, and you start realizing the ramifications of a society in 1964 that's all taking LSD,
01:55:59.000and you see this hippie movement, you're going to run some studies.
01:56:01.000So then you're going to give people the ability to test people without their knowledge.
01:56:06.000You don't know how crazy that guy is, what kind of a sociopath that guy is.
01:56:09.000And he's going to run tests on people without their knowledge and give them LSD. And then there's going to be people that say, hey, you know, we want to infiltrate all these anti-war groups.
01:56:19.000We want to infiltrate the Black Panthers.
01:56:32.000Dose this motherfucker up with LSD. Let's run some studies on him and let's tell him that he's a cult leader and get him to make some apocalyptic fucking death cult that wants to kill people and write pig on the wall in their blood.
01:56:45.000And so they let Manson, they knew where he was.
01:56:50.000They knew that he was probably having people kill people.
01:56:55.000Yeah, well, okay, first of all, to go back, man, if you really study the spread of LSD and the popular culture, it wasn't that the CIA saw people taking LSD at parties.
01:57:05.000It's that the CIA, as I understand the story, goes and buys from Sandoz Laboratories all of their LSD and then begins to do tests on college campuses.
01:57:17.000Where people begin to take the LSD and then the parties start.
01:57:21.000So I think it's more like the CIA started the party when it comes to LSD, or at least were majorly involved in the initial experience people had with LSD, which was like, that's when you get Tim Leary, that's when you get Richard Alpert,
01:57:40.000At Harvard where the same psychology professor did this shit on Kaczynski was and like LSD you know that's they were doing I don't know if they were doing the LSD test there but these tests were going on they were being exposed to LSD that theoretically I don't know if it came from the CIA or not but I don't know like where the I think they actually those tests were they were ordering it from Sandoz but for sure like who wrote one flew over the cuckoo's nest uh Damn
01:58:22.000And also, man, back then, I don't think, because we didn't get the Manson, the Kaczynski, or all the awful shrapnel, weird shards of chaos that exploded off of the crazy, unethical shit they did, I don't know if there was so much of an idea that they were evil.
01:58:39.000I could be wrong about that, but they weren't even called the CIA. I think they were called the OSS. In the beginning, yeah.
01:58:44.000But by the time, the CIA was running a fucking clinic in Haight-Ashbury that closed down after like 30 years of being open or 40 years of being open, closed down three months after this book came out.
01:58:59.000Yeah, Jolly West, the same guy who visited Jack Ruby in the hospital.
01:59:05.000And after he left, Jack Ruby went insane.
01:59:07.000He was crawling underneath the table and thought that Jewish children were getting lit on fire and cut apart in the streets and a new Holocaust was going on.
01:59:36.000That they used LSD to somehow or another Get these people to commit atrocities, to kill people, to murder people.
01:59:45.000Yeah, I mean, yeah, and you can, what's probably, you can probably, I know you can.
01:59:49.000If we go on the CIA, the crazy thing is, you can go on their website, look at the Freedom of Information archives, and they have MKUltra shit up there right now that you can look at.
02:00:00.000That's where it gets really weird, is it's like, they're like, yeah, Yeah, but they never admit that they gave people...
02:01:11.000You'll get your dick wet, listen to the podcast, and then you're going to want to listen to the audiobook or read the book.
02:01:17.000But he has 60 pages of citations and references at the end of the book to show each thing and how he can prove it.
02:01:23.000He's got some speculation that he entertained at the very end of the book, and we talked about it on the podcast, but the stuff that he knows for sure to be true is bonkers.
02:01:35.000Can I ask you a question that will probably get made into a YouTube clip accusing you of being an asset of the CIA? Sure.
02:03:30.000All that shit that happened in Mena, Arkansas, you know, all that shit that happened when Clinton was governor with Barry Seals, when they were running coke back and forth and dropping off in Mena, Arkansas, that guy was a CIA contractor.
02:03:43.000There's a lot of those guys that were CIA. Look, they got compromised.
02:03:47.000I think, but that doesn't mean the whole CIA's bad.
02:03:49.000It doesn't mean we don't need a CIA. Man, if you talk to people, if they're honest, I don't know if they're...
02:03:57.000If you talk to people that deal with trying to infiltrate terrorist groups, and deal with tracking terrorists, and deal with trying to figure out if someone's trying to make a dirty bomb, trying to figure out if someone's ready to blow up a mall, and they're doing this Actively,
02:05:07.000Now, does that mean that they're not going to stray across the lines of what is correct and good and fair and start spying on regular people, too?
02:05:41.000There's a bunch of shit that's happened over time.
02:05:44.000But also, they've gotten intel on all these different terrorists and all these different fucking terrible situations all over the world and probably saved a lot of people.
02:05:53.000It's not perfect, but nothing's perfect.
02:05:56.000It's not a fucking thing that's perfect, whether it's the fucking post office or police officers or fire department or doctors.
02:06:05.000No one's perfect, including the CIA, including the FBI, including the Army, the Navy.
02:08:12.000Well, because for sure, by the way, you know, there's a, there's like, I guess at the CIA, there's a layer of all the sober people who've like, haven't gotten high for a year, which whoever's writing that fucking thing is definitely like laughing as they're writing it, you know, they're like, just laughing because they're so fucking high and they're like,
02:14:22.000If you look at the whole population, like the entire population, Like a little light went off every time someone was shitting on someone's head.
02:14:30.000How many times that happened in a day?
02:14:32.000I bet you could fucking light up a small town.
02:14:41.000It's mostly the girl shitting on the guy's head, right?
02:21:25.000And sometimes you would, like if you're out in the woods and there was a suspicious patch, you might even poke it with a stick because it's like, fuck, that was a whole trope in like old movies.
02:21:35.000You know, like Tarzan stuck in the quicksand or you're in the quicksand and then someone throws a vine that you pull yourself out.
02:21:55.000I was going to say I've seen one recently.
02:21:57.000So if you end up stuck in quicksand, the best thing to do is if your phone isn't fucked up, set it up to take a video and then send that video to ilovemudboys at gmail.com.
02:22:21.000You have a service, and your service is you get people out of the mud, and you give them $1,200, but you've got to jerk off on their face while they're trying to get out of the mud.
02:23:28.000And they've got a little camera trap that sends a text to their phone and says, we got one.
02:23:32.000And then they start chewing on Viagra and start getting their dick hard and then they run out.
02:23:37.000Like a spider that catches something in its nest.
02:23:40.000But you kind of fall in love with them, you know, and then you start dating them.
02:23:45.000But then all of a sudden you realize everyone they've dated, they've saved from quicksand and you begin to realize, oh shit, they're doing it on purpose!
02:23:53.000You're looking for something like, does he have a flashlight?
02:23:57.000Let's go through his stuff here, look for a flashlight.
02:24:00.000You find schematics for how to build the perfect sand pit.
02:26:23.000And not only that, but like the ones that we were in, I don't know if they had heated it wrong or whatever, but anytime my ass touched like close to the bottom, it was burning my ass.
02:26:35.000The heater in the bottom was like burning my ass, so I was having to do like this, I don't know what you call it, like arch my back in the mud.
02:31:06.000And I understand, like, look, if I worked in an office somewhere or if I had to deal with people professionally, I wouldn't be dropping F-bombs all day.
02:31:53.000Sometimes, when someone's telling you something that you know isn't true, and they're telling you, you want to be able to look it in the eye and go, hey, that guy's a fucking idiot.
02:32:02.000But I can't say that to a nine-year-old.
02:33:07.000That's, like, kind of my wife and I have decided that, and, like, some of my friends or parents have also said, just teach them not to say those words.
02:33:43.000It's like, fuck, I don't know if I, even though he doesn't, even the fact he probably, hopefully doesn't understand, at least, hopefully does it.
02:33:52.000I still like, I don't know, it's like you're saying, it's too much, the energy's too intense.
02:34:51.000The only reason why I think a lot of these swear words, like the F word or the shit word or whatever, if you're at work and you can't say those, why not?
02:35:46.000When you realize someone you thought was a square is not only not a square, but like a million times more out there than you are, but they're like...
02:38:02.000It's just like this sense of like, oh, this fucking sucks.
02:38:07.000I don't want to drive by Trader Joe's and see people wearing face masks with six feet in between each of them and the fucking weirdness of it all.
02:39:56.000All the data sources, some of them are so very different, it seems like, that it's like, you know, you have people who've won Nobel Prizes, you know, saying what they think it is, and you have other people who are doctors saying what they think it is, and those things don't quite match to the point where it comes down to,
02:40:11.000it's not like what I think is going to happen, it's what I hope is going to happen, which is like...
02:40:16.000That it just, not only that the curve keeps flattening, maybe not necessarily because, maybe because it's mutating.
02:40:50.000So it's like, that to me is the real unnerving quality of this outside of worrying like if you go outside, like every time you cough, I'm like, mother fuck, I should have worn my mask.
02:41:02.000I'm doomed when my wife sees it, she's gonna fucking kill my ass.
02:41:33.000And it changes the actual course of your life.
02:41:36.000You'll be operating with fear and operating with anxiety.
02:41:41.000And everyone's thrust into that without anything bad that they've done.
02:41:47.000For no fault of their own, they're thrust into the situation where even though they've worked really hard, they've been really disciplined, they've done the right thing, they've been conservative, they take care of their health, all the checks, everything.
02:41:59.000But still, all of a sudden work goes away.
02:42:58.000Like, yeah, we went through a nice, sweet spot where there was no real problems other than occasionally little blips of bad flus and bad diseases, and we squashed them real quick.
02:43:10.000As far as terrible pandemics, the amount of people that it kills per people that get it is not as high as it is for some of the more horrendous diseases.
02:44:00.000It's also a wake-up call for power grid people, people that are worried about the power grid go down.
02:44:04.000It's a wake-up call for people that haven't had food stockpiled in their house.
02:44:08.000Wake-up call for people that are living extended, like they've really extended their reach as far as how much their rent is and how much their car payment is.
02:44:30.000People are going to have to look at this like, okay, now we know something can happen that we never thought could happen before and the whole world shuts down.
02:44:47.000I mean, like that's the silver lining.
02:44:49.000It's like when you have a thing happen that you realize like, you know, whatever, like in your car, you get lucky and you notice that the tire is like super flat and you fill it up.
02:45:01.000You see a thing and it saves you from a later fucking thing that could have been a million times worse.
02:45:06.000But you know, man, the wake up call to me is It's no joke that you need to at least be on some terms with your neighbors, and it's no joke that you need to understand how to grow food out of the ground and some basic first aid and stuff like that,
02:45:25.000and also to always have gas in your car, man.
02:45:30.000The other day we went to get groceries and left a credit card at the house.
02:45:36.000But the car was kind of low on fuel because I hadn't gassed it up like I should have.
02:45:42.000And the combination of suddenly not being able to put gas in the car and these two dumb mistakes.
02:45:48.000It wasn't just a normal shitty day where your car runs out of gas.
02:45:51.000Now it's your cars run out of gas during a pandemic, meaning you got to call somebody to come and put gas in your car or walk somewhere to get gas.
02:46:00.000That's a whole different walk than before.
02:46:02.000And that's asking someone to come and help you is kind of like asking them, hey, would you mind taking a I mean, I know you're wearing a mask and everything, but you know what I mean?
02:46:11.000So suddenly, fuck-ups in this kind of environment, they mean a lot more than fuck-ups in, like, the previous world that we were in.
02:46:19.000And that's teaching me a real kind of responsibility, you know, like having some cash on hand, like stuff like that.
02:46:26.000What we, you know, we should always be doing that.
02:46:28.000And to me, that is one of the, you know, and I hate using, everyone's using the term silver lining right now.
02:46:33.000And it's like, anytime you say that, it's like, yeah, it's a silver lining on people who drown in their own fucking mucus.
02:46:39.000It's not the, you know, it's fucked up.
02:46:42.000But I guess one of the silver linings in it is just that, the fact that it's like, look, man, Trump just was talking about maybe we should inject ourselves with Lysol.
02:48:04.000Anyway, bottom line is, he's saying wacky shit, and the focus is on this lady, and as she's watching him, she's like, I can't even fucking believe I have to handle this.
02:48:43.000That's the kind of thing where your craziest friend, if they said that to you, you would be considering calling their friends or their mom to be like, hey, Jack, he's having a hardcore manic episode.
02:48:53.000He's talking about injecting Lysol into himself.
02:49:09.000You gotta be ready, because if we think we're gonna lean into some imaginary hammock, Made of people who are saying that we should inject ourselves with Lysol, then it's our fault.
02:49:23.000Let's imagine, let's say you went into the forest and you got attacked by a tiger.
02:49:29.000But right before you went into the forest, you said to somebody, hey, do you think I should go in that forest?
02:49:57.000Imagine, what was he thinking while he was saying that?
02:50:00.000He's probably like, there's got to be an intelligent way to get out of this fucking subject that I've already started and I'm already coming up with perhaps, for instance, maybe you could...
02:50:11.000So, supposing we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it's ultraviolet or just very powerful light...
02:51:26.000Can you take my liver out and just microwave it?
02:51:31.000So to me, you see that and it's like, okay, well, I'm not quite certain that that is where I'm going to get my data stream from because that's a Lysol person.
02:51:41.000But then there must be a thing we can do regardless of the fact that clearly...
02:51:47.000Bro, you wouldn't even talk like that on a podcast.
02:51:49.000Dude, I would never say that in a million years.
02:51:51.000But imagine, imagine you have zero expertise in a certain subject.
02:51:57.000You're talking to someone who's like some expert in this said subject.
02:52:01.000And you're proposing these outlandish, like you're on a podium.
02:52:05.000You're not even having a private conversation in front of everybody.
02:52:08.000You're somehow or another having a side conversation where you're proposing these ridiculous ideas that show that you don't understand how disinfectant works.
02:52:17.000Why is that conversation even taking place?
02:52:20.000Also, the other thing is because he did ask the question, that is a time for someone on that side of the room to go, No!
02:52:47.000Look, first of all, I mean, look, the guy works some ungodly amount of hours in a day, right?
02:52:53.000He's gonna do some dumb shit, like, and he wings it a lot, right?
02:52:57.000So he probably was stuck on that conversation of things that might be able to be done, and maybe you could do strong, ultra-violent light, like, in the skin.
02:53:09.000Then all of a sudden he's like, oh my god, I'm laying out Possible ways that you could cure this there.
02:53:17.000Yeah, and there's like a disinfectant.
02:53:19.000That's right disinfectant Disinfectant maybe inside or outside they have a way of doing that.
02:53:24.000Yeah, and then you say and then he goes to her like he's looking for support Like I think you said maybe I think you said maybe you're looking at that Yeah, man It definitely has that sense of like when you had to give a report at school and you hadn't prepared for it That's it!
02:53:58.000They fought, and they fought long and hard in Syria, in areas around Syria, and some people in areas around Syria referred to them as rebels and said they were some of the most intense rebels in the region.
02:54:34.000I think it was the Red Badge of Courage, which even now I can't remember.
02:54:38.000I think it's about the Revolutionary War.
02:54:42.000And I believe that I didn't read it at all.
02:54:45.000Clearly I didn't read it because I still can't remember.
02:54:47.000Which war it was about, but I remember just having not read the book at all, having to write a report on it, where I think I said it in Vietnam or something, or maybe it was a civil war, and she was just like, that's not even the war that it was that it happened at.
02:55:43.000There's a little gray area a few years ago where kids could just copy and paste other people's reports from years past because they were all digital and teachers didn't know this was a thing they could check.
02:55:52.000They now have checking tools to find out plagiarism and whatnot, but so many kids probably for a few years just did literally nothing.
02:56:15.000Well, I mean, you know, there's like, that's one of the, isn't that, no, the people who went to, recently went to jail for like, bribe, for getting their kids into college.
02:56:25.000It's kind of a version of that, except with your kids, right?
02:56:27.000You're like, you're like, just, the kids aren't, aren't supposed to be in college because they haven't done any work in high school and they don't know what they're doing, but if you pay enough money, you get them in there.
02:56:38.000It's like, And also, aren't they doing something where they get people to go and take SATs for your kid?
02:56:44.000Like, you figure out a way to, like, it's an identity theft thing where you can even get someone to go and, like, do the test as your kid using fake ID and shit.
02:56:53.000So it's like you send in an operative that isn't your kid to take the test so you can get into a nice school.
02:59:42.000Well, get me in the fucking UFC. All my friends are going, dude, the thing that's really fucked up is like there's some kid whose parents are making 20k a year who's working his fucking ass off, you know, just somehow managing to study...
02:59:59.000Non-stop to try to get into a good school who doesn't get into the school because of that shit.
03:00:03.000That's the satanic part is like they buy their way in and that's someone's place.
03:00:09.000They have a limited number of places, meaning like theoretically someone doesn't get into the school who could be the person who is going to, you know, invent teleportation or some shit.
03:00:19.000Isn't that weird with schools that you have your first choice, your second choice.
03:03:27.000It's like, goddammit, I hope we get to a time where, like, they take pictures of someone doing a fucking thing that's legit fucked up, so that, you know, and they get banished for it.
03:03:35.000It's like, I'm, god forbid, like, I can't even imagine the Polaroids that could emerge of weird shit I've done, you know?
03:04:28.000It's probably just some college bullshit where people who are in a frat sit around and make dumb jokes and do stupid shit and it's nothing.