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00:01:09.000I don't know if they believe in the same things.
00:01:12.000Because it's funny, like, there's, like, classifications of conspiracy theorists.
00:01:15.000Like, some conspiracy theorists are balls deep in, like, JFK. But you try to bring up 5G, and they're like, get the fuck out of here with your 5G. So is Marilyn Monroe.
00:02:26.000Well, just the fact that the economy has come to a complete screeching halt and all these people are losing their jobs and all these people are losing their businesses and we're not exactly sure what to do because there's the hardcore people that are like, fuck it, open it up, keep the women and the old people safe.
00:04:11.000But the thing that we were talking about also is, I guess I just don't understand.
00:04:15.000I understand that this disease has a lot of unknown factors, but there are so many other things that are detrimental to our society that it's wild that it took this sort of situation to bring everything to a screeching halt globally.
00:04:30.000And it's scary that we're using so much resources to deal with it.
00:04:33.000I know we need to, but then, okay, after this, are we going to start to apply those resources to deal with child sex trafficking that happens in the country, to deal with homelessness, to deal with these other issues?
00:04:44.000Is this going to be a sort of Kickstarter to be like, okay, let's get our shit together as a global society instead of living in our own tribal existences, which doesn't work.
00:06:05.000Sneaky disease that kills healthy people, and then old people survive it like it's nothing, and then it kills an entire nursing home full of people, and then young people get it and die from it, and old people get it and brush it off, and some people have zero symptoms at all,
00:07:23.000You know, it's something funny about when you walk into a supermarket right behind an old guy who crop dusted you and you're like, you motherfucker.
00:08:49.000I believe they said 70 people died in this one old folks home.
00:08:53.000And that's terrible on another level because those people can't bury their family the way they need to or want to.
00:08:58.000The grieving process is interrupted by the protocol.
00:09:01.000Yeah, you can't even visit them in the hospital.
00:09:03.000Yeah, that's that's really brutal and that for that fact It makes me really sad for families that are losing loved ones like that older people.
00:09:10.000That's why it's so crazy It's almost like and this is a ridiculous way to put it, but I'm gonna do it anyway do it if you were intact if this country was attacked by an invasion of demons And they were all interconnected.
00:11:09.000Like the girls selling fit tea won't be able to help us.
00:11:12.000And imagine if your job was, if you thought your job was to help people, which is what most nurses and first responders, I mean, their job is, hey, you know, I'm going to do a good thing for the community.
00:11:24.000I'm going to do a good thing for people.
00:11:26.000I'm going to be there to help people when they're ill.
00:12:06.000What I read was that there was like a team in place at the transition that since that time, which would have been three years ago by now, those people are no longer at the jobs that they had.
00:12:16.000So they would have probably had other positions maybe in the White House or other places.
00:12:20.000But does the actual position exist anymore?
00:12:28.000It's hard to not think about conspiracy when you hear that that team was just shut down and that department was just shut down and then this happens.
00:12:37.000I'm not a big conspiracy theorist, but I understand where people might go, wait a minute, hold on.
00:13:35.000I guess it would be hard to see something like this coming and it's like preparing for the thing that you can't imagine would be hard to prepare for.
00:13:42.000And it's going to be an interesting thing because, like, for our ability to look back at ancient civilizations, it's a little difficult because of the lack of technology available then to record incidents happening.
00:13:53.000But for us right now, this is all being recorded.
00:13:56.000And maybe there'll be a differentiation in the advancements with technology, but I wonder what future generations are going to know and decipher from this situation that we're in right now.
00:14:42.000There's something about it, like, your brain has too much ability to comprehend.
00:14:47.000And if you comprehend everything, like, just the nature of life itself, the fact that your body is this ecosystem with all this different stuff inside you, because you collectively, like, however they influence you, however your microbiome influences you,
00:15:04.000collectively are you, and you know that.
00:16:12.000One of the earliest studies of the effect of music on plants was conducted in 1962 by Dr. T.C. Singh Head of Botany at Animalia University.
00:16:24.000He exposed balsam plants to classical music and found that their growth rate increased by 20% compared to a control group, along with 72% increase in biomass.
00:16:35.00072% increase in biomass from playing music.
00:16:45.000I mean, we already know there's science that it helps babies and fetuses and babies inside the womb to listen to classical music and things like that.
00:18:13.000You're right, but also so many people have such different technique that you'd look at somebody and be like, that's not how you play that, but you hear it and it sounds exactly right.
00:18:20.000Yeah, because of the way they develop their dexterity.
00:18:22.000Let me give props to someone who faked it better than almost anybody.
00:18:25.000Will Smith when he played Muhammad Ali.
00:20:05.000And when you watch someone play pool in a movie, and he's supposed to be an amazing pool player, they're like, bitch, get the fuck out of here.
00:22:01.000I've had friends that have had migraines, and it seems like probably one of the most disturbing things you can experience.
00:22:06.000Yeah, there's so many other physical...
00:22:09.000Symptoms that are associated with migraines that just the migraine itself everything else seems so much worse I've had friends that say it's like literally like their heads in a vice and It'll last for an hour.
00:23:56.000The people that get good at jujitsu, men and women, they have a tolerance for the hardships of life that's built into them from training sessions that other people don't have.
00:24:07.000When you're constantly, you're a woman, you're constantly grappling with this and this bitch is just trying to kill you.
00:24:12.000You're good friends and they're getting on top of you and she's trying to strangle you, she's trying to get you in the rear naked choke.
00:24:55.000And I realize there are limitations to people's lives in certain situations, but it's a choice to implement something like this where you can deal with your anger.
00:31:19.000There's a crazy deep fake where they took Biden, his thing where he's doing this press conference, and they made him move his eyebrows and stick his tongue out in this really wacky way.
00:31:29.000And when I saw it, I was like, is he really doing that?
00:31:33.000And I'm like, I don't know if this is really not.
00:32:11.000But he didn't really open his tongue like that, right?
00:32:12.000Yeah, I think what this is saying is that he opened his tongue like that, but there's some app you can use to do the rest of the manipulation.
00:32:18.000He opened his tongue like a normal open...
00:34:29.000I think that guy, I bet he could never imagine what it was going to be like to have that job, to be hated that way.
00:34:37.000No, I think he wasn't able to put himself in a category of ever being hated, but that seems to be his biggest downfall and his biggest insecurity is what people think of him.
00:34:47.000But when you're living in conflict, right?
00:34:49.000So he's in this constant conflict with the press and the reporters when he gives those speeches.
00:34:55.000When you're living in conflict like that, you're always at like seven.
00:35:01.000You can't take things from a neutral place.
00:35:04.000You take things, they're always a bigger front than they really are.
00:35:07.000The perspective is always off because you're like stuck in conflict.
00:35:12.000It actually happens to people if you grow up in bad neighborhoods.
00:35:16.000If you grow up in bad neighborhoods, and they've even said that they've done studies.
00:35:21.000Michael Irvin actually talked to me about this once on a plane flight from Australia.
00:35:25.000And he explained to me that kids that grow up and they're born, when their mother is going through extreme stress, like the mother lives in a very violent neighborhood and there's violence in the house and things like that, the kid in the womb, it changes the way the kid will approach life.
00:35:41.000That's what I was saying to you before.
00:35:42.000I was wondering, living in a stressful environment having an effect on the development of the child.
00:35:49.000I'm sure it will, but this is literally changing the wiring in the brain while she's pregnant with him.
00:35:55.000It's happening because of the outside world.
00:35:57.000It's like changing the baby, changing the behavior.
00:36:00.000Make it, apparently, a much quicker ability to react or instinct to react.
00:36:09.000I think that's definitely also consistent with having a rough childhood or traumatic experience.
00:36:15.000I definitely went through that, experiencing things as a girl that made me reactive to men until I learned how to narrow it down to this one instance and deal with it.
00:36:28.000It's interesting how you're able to...
00:36:31.000Overcome trauma with therapy and behavioral changes.
00:37:09.000Well, I'm hoping that it's going to have an effect on shifting in a way where we understand how good we had it and how recent this is that people have had it good.
00:37:20.000I think one of the reasons why we're so quick to react to things, like why a child in the womb would be quick to react and tend to be more violent or react quicker to violence Or be defensive.
00:37:50.000And then because of that, our needs grow because we need more.
00:37:54.000Like, oh, this iPhone 11 isn't good enough.
00:37:56.000I need an iPhone 24. We also find more things to complain about.
00:37:59.000We find more things to be bitter about, but less things to be thankful of.
00:38:03.000Like, I think, if anything, I hope that when we come back from this, other than the fact that I hope people get their lives in order, is I hope that we get this understanding that Of how temporary all of this really is.
00:38:15.000And how we just thought, because it existed, because it had always been here, it always will be here.
00:38:36.000We haven't put enough effort into educating ourselves about the things we're consuming, the products we're buying, and the people we're surrounding ourselves with.
00:38:44.000We sort of had this reckless, abandoned approach to existence.
00:38:54.000Where I hope, and one thing that I've gotten from this is a humility about existence, a humility about being a human and all of the things that we get in just this society, but also in everyday life.
00:39:09.000Our needs have exceeded what we really need to exist.
00:39:16.000And our wants are beyond what we really need on a day-to-day basis.
00:39:41.000To get in a car, to drive to a house you can't afford, to be in a marriage that you haven't put any effort into, and to put the TV on, to put the food that's not good for you in your belly, and rinse and repeat.
00:40:48.000Wrapped around this room and they were all stacked on top of each other and I just put my hand up against each cage just to see how the dog would react in this stressful talking about being inside of a baby being a womb while the mother's stressful.
00:41:01.000This is a similar scenario where these dogs are in this room And it's stressful and they're all barking.
00:41:06.000So I just put my hand outside of each one just to see their reactions.
00:41:09.000And Carlin was the only one who, when I put my hand in front of his cage, he didn't meet me with aggression.
00:41:14.000He turned around and showed me his butt and he let me scratch it.
00:41:38.000Why do we feel so bad about that happening to dogs, but we don't feel that same way about it happening to people?
00:41:45.000I think people do, but it's also about your personal experience.
00:41:50.000And maybe some people don't feel like they have the means or resources or the ability to start to help those other areas.
00:42:01.000Like, maybe they don't know how to begin to help, like we were talking about before, causes that deal with child sex trafficking, or they don't know how to start, you know, where do they start to help homeless people and things like that.
00:42:14.000I think the dog situation's an easier step to feeling like you're contributing a little bit.
00:42:19.000I know for me, like, that whole thing changed because...
00:42:24.000Feeling like I wanted to help and give back more and finding purpose.
00:42:28.000I think it's important in life to find purpose.
00:42:29.000And maybe that's one of the things that you're talking about.
00:42:32.000Like after my dad passed away, I felt like I wanted to have more purpose because it made me realize the value of life and what this is all about.
00:42:45.000And so I did research into Alzheimer's and did research into how could I become an advocate and ways that I could inspire and help other people that are dealing with the disease.
00:42:55.000And it's really a statement on turning pain into purpose.
00:43:00.000And I think that people who get dogs, maybe they don't have a big enough purpose yet.
00:43:37.000The problem with dogs, I mean, the pound dogs at least, is that sometimes, you know, they're in for too long or they're just habituated to it.
00:45:22.000CDC's response to the opioid overdose epidemic in 2017, more than 70,000 people died from drug overdoses, making it a leading cause of injury-related death in the United States.
00:45:32.000Out of those deaths, almost 68% involved a prescription or illicit opioid.
00:45:38.000And a lot of these people who get onto opioids, they never did drugs before.
00:47:48.000And I was like, man, everybody told me, like, oh my god, it's the worst things ever.
00:47:52.000And apparently it used to be that they would pack your nose up with gauze, and then when they pulled the gauze out at the end of like a week or so, it was like really painful.
00:48:01.000They have like these nose tampons, and they just slide right into place, and they come out after a week or whatever the fuck it was where I had to keep it in my nose to keep everything open after the surgery.
00:50:19.000I just think it goes further to the doctors not having the care or whatever it is to at least provide a little bit of information.
00:50:30.000But I think to be a doctor, to give like a really good holistic approach, like a holistic response, like let's take care of your whole body.
00:51:51.000But I mean, a lot of that is the breakdown in the overall system.
00:51:54.000The overall, you know, healthcare system is completely, it's so disjointed from really keeping people healthy.
00:52:01.000I know because it's a business and maybe it's my hippie heart, but...
00:52:05.000Isn't there some way we could shake the shit up so that at least it's starting to give people information, knowledge, and tools so they can have somewhat of a healthier existence?
00:52:16.000The problem is people are a lot like dogs in some ways.
00:52:20.000It's very difficult to learn the bad lessons that you learned when you were young.
00:52:24.000You know, like you get a dog from the pound and their life was fucked up and they're all sketchy.
00:52:28.000That's the same thing with human beings.
00:52:32.000Like if people get on a certain diet when they're really young and their parents are on this shitty diet, it's fucking hard for you to get them off of that.
00:52:43.000All animals, whether it's humans or dogs or anything, they seem to get trained by their environment.
00:52:48.000And then once they're trained, once they've sort of adapted to their environment in whatever way they had to, it's really hard to get them to shift.
00:52:55.000It's really hard to get them to change.
00:53:24.000I answer questions for everybody and sometimes they're medical and I'll Google and try and give a little bit of information but a lot of times it's girls like this guy is such a jerk and you know should I text him back and you're allowing the assholes into your life to satisfy that void inside of you you know you're sort of allowing that behavior because the negative effect that you have is like that reinforcement and just brings you back into that cycle of trauma and abuse that you experienced before.
00:54:14.000And my hope, not just for my daughters, not just for everyone in this room, but for everybody, is that all this stuff is a wake-up call for us.
00:54:22.000And I think that when we're talking about these deeply ingrained patterns of behavior that people get into, And that we need to, you know, especially with healthcare, but also with education, all the things that you need to keep your body healthy and to allow you to advance in life,
00:54:38.000to give you a chance in life, to be in a place that's crime-free, to have nutrition, and to have healthcare, and to have education.
00:54:48.000Like, I've always said, like, if we really wanted to make this the best country ever, what would be the first thing you would do?
00:54:54.000You'd say, well, we need to have less losers.
00:54:57.000I don't mean losers like they're weak.
00:54:59.000I mean like they got dealt the wrong hand.
00:55:02.000You got born into a terrible neighborhood that's crime infested and it's been this way for decades and no one's going to change it and there's just gangs and drugs.
00:55:12.000You can't say that someone who's born in that neighborhood has the same starting line as someone who was born in Bel Air.
00:55:22.000So we gotta figure out how to have more people have more of a chance.
00:55:28.000And instead of thinking that it's all for us, you know, like the people that do well, like whether it's through Wall Street or business, instead of like continually chasing more and more money, maybe something like this would make us say like, We gotta reinvest in bringing everybody up and then there'll be more competition which would be better for everybody because you have more people that are striving to get better and people push you.
00:55:54.000People that are good push you and you become better because of them.
00:57:10.000I mean, that's born out of a seed of trauma.
00:57:14.000And, you know, there's a lot of amazing businessmen and women who achieved what they achieved because of the disparity they experienced in their childhood.
00:57:23.000So there is something to the dichotomy of the journey from experiencing the trauma to achieving success, but I do agree.
00:57:30.000Everyone needs to be lifted up so that the whole community can experience the benefit of that.
00:57:37.000The thing about this COVID that makes me scared on a level, like on a little bit of a level, is desperate people do really bad things.
00:58:04.000But still, you know, there's so many things that are fucked up about this, right?
00:58:09.000That we've never had this happen in our lifetimes, hasn't happened in a hundred years.
00:58:13.000There's so many things that are fucked up about this.
00:58:15.000But the repercussions, we've got to be real careful about how we manage the repercussions of starting everything back up, the economy, starting it...
00:58:24.000What do you think is going to be, what do you think one of the first issues is with opening things back up that we're going to experience?
00:58:30.000Restaurants, comedy shows, like that kind of shit.
00:58:55.000I mean, there's gonna be a lot of people that are scared to go to the movies and now they also set a precedent where you can watch movies on Apple TV. It's not the same!
00:59:03.000I miss going to movies and I know that's such a like self-serving desire and want and it's not necessary, but I fucking miss it.
01:00:15.000Peanut Butter Falcon was this great movie about this special needs kid and his...
01:00:21.000Friend that he picks up along the way in the journey that they make together.
01:00:24.000Like a total, you know, feel-good movie, but it features this really talented special-needs actor.
01:00:30.000It's a heartwarming film, and Shai, he's a great actor.
01:00:34.000Did you ever see that thing where he, when Trump was elected, he was getting people to chant, he will not divide us, he will not divide us?
01:00:44.000Yeah, I remember something about that.
01:00:53.000So there's this website of mischievous people called 4chan.
01:00:59.000And they found out that he had set up on his website, he had a webcam on this flag that said he will not divide us.
01:01:07.000And he had this flag in the middle of Oklahoma somewhere on a webcam streaming on his website.
01:01:11.000So the geniuses, these nerd geniuses, decided to triangulate where that was based on the stars that you could see on the webcam in the distance.
01:01:21.000They figured out where it was on planet Earth.
01:01:24.000Then they had someone drive around in a truck and honk the horn while another person...
01:01:29.000Was listening to the webcam and see if it gets louder or quieter.
01:01:34.000So as they got closer and closer, it's genius shit.
01:02:04.000And if you don't think that's funny, well then you must not have had a job that you hated where you sit in a cubicle and you Google funny shit because that's funny.
01:02:59.000Because on that same message board, somebody might have posted a picture of that, of the thousands and thousands of users, they'll use something like that to say, oh, this is just what 4chan is.
01:04:04.000Because people were complaining that they're supporting 4chan by making that podcast.
01:04:10.000But that feels like a threat of freedom of speech.
01:04:15.000Well, if people don't like something, we're going to start taking it down.
01:04:18.000Like, no, keep it up, because only those conversations are the ones that move the needle on a societal level.
01:04:25.000Like, only those conversations where people are debating, do we learn and grow if we open ourselves up to that?
01:04:31.000I mean, if you and I sat here and agreed on everything, it'd be a fun conversation, but it's also interesting to have, you know, alternate points of view and learn from one another.
01:04:39.000Also, they didn't do anything that deserves to have them nuked from the historical record.
01:04:46.000If you have people and you have an open message board, which is what it is, and people post awful shit, that doesn't even really represent who they are most of the time.
01:04:57.000When people are posting, they're posting because they're bored or they want a reaction.
01:05:01.000It's a terrible way to communicate with people.
01:06:32.000There was definitely someone fucking, a woman screaming in the background, people screaming the N-word at me, saying, Jesse likes to fuck N-words and all this craziness and screaming and death metal.
01:10:37.000It's like, just, I wanted to be, sounds crazy, but my thing would be to try to figure out how to distract myself less, have less procrastination, You're a procrastinator?
01:10:55.000No, very little, but I want to get rid of it.
01:12:11.000I think it's real similar because it leaves you alone, other than the fact that when you do hypnotism you'll be suggested and you'll be having a conversation with the therapist, the person who's doing it to you.
01:12:22.000I'm only basing it on my one experience.
01:12:24.000I've seen some other hypnotism stuff online but I've only had it done once.
01:12:28.000But I think that as people learn how to float and learn how to relax, you can kind of use your inner voice and you can guide yourself through various aspects of things that you find troubling, things that are bothering you, things,
01:12:44.000patterns, bad patterns that you keep recreating over and over again.
01:12:49.000And I think that there's a real value to being alone with your thoughts, and there's no better place to be alone with your thoughts than a float tank.
01:14:17.000If you guys, I'll send you the video, you guys can geotag it by the blades of grass, you fucking nerds.
01:14:26.000Cut to article, Jessie Mae supports 4chan.
01:14:30.000I'm out there protesting for 4chan, yeah.
01:14:34.000I just think there's a value to surrounding yourself in nature.
01:14:38.000And for you, I'm sure you've provided yourself an existence that...
01:14:45.000It represents your values in life, but do you feel like the way you live right now in your house, in your home, feels like a real homestead to you?
01:14:53.000Or does it still feel out of place because you wish you were someplace else?
01:14:56.000Well, when things like this happen, one thing you realize, there's two things you realize.
01:15:00.000One, that it's really nice to have a nice community.
01:17:44.000Like, some of the reading, like, he would write these stories and he would get paid like, you know, like a penny a word or some shit like that.
01:17:51.000And he would write like a bunch of them for like Strange Times Magazine and stuff like way back in the day.
01:17:56.000Like, this is what he did before he created Scientology.
01:21:12.000The story behind it is he was self-helping himself.
01:21:17.000So he was psychologically kind of fucked up, and he was sort of self-diagnosing and self-medicating, giving him self-therapy by taking a lot of these principles of different self-help books and different psychology books that he had read.
01:21:30.000And then he started applying that, and then he started putting that together with some, like, fucking...
01:22:39.000If you follow a lot of the tenets of things like Dianetics, all these self-help tenets, if you follow the good stuff, You can actually do better.
01:22:48.000And you'll do better because you're also focusing on the fact that you're following this path that's going to do better.
01:22:54.000So your intention, your focus during your day is of improving and doing better.
01:23:01.000So a lot of people, whether they join this or whether they take something less venine like Tony Robbins stuff, which is very motivational but without the cult, Mostly.
01:24:15.000It helped your life because you decided to focus on doing better in your life, and you used the tenets of Scientology, which some of them are really good.
01:24:23.000I read Dianetics, or at least I read a couple of chapters.
01:25:00.000He jumps from one building all the way to the other with his fucking rope attached to him and mishits it and slams his ankle into the side of the building.
01:27:59.000And inside the album, when you open it up, it's from back in the Diz A. The album, the name of the album is the name of this thing that happens when you get your own planet, when you die.
01:28:09.000And then there's all these different people, they all have their own planet inside the album.
01:28:13.000Okay, we need to know that album title.
01:33:03.000They're like, all right, we're friends.
01:33:05.000And then through all my choices, just sort of coincidentally, whether it's through martial arts and then through comedy, it sort of reinforced that.
01:34:33.000Concentrate on why you react to things the way you do, or whether or not you're pursuing your passions with 100% of your enthusiasm, or whether or not you could be more successful if you got up earlier and got more done and just had a better attitude about things.
01:35:19.000There's some bravery, and this is the thing with men, right?
01:35:22.000The big thing with men is men tend to be more inclined To place value on being brave in physical situations.
01:35:31.000Brave where you save somebody, brave where you risked your life, brave where you did something that was a dangerous thing for the good of all or for the good of your loved ones.
01:35:42.000But then the other kind of bravery, the kind of emotional bravery, where you look at yourself like accurately.
01:35:48.000Mentors, they tend to shy away from that or to frown on that even.
01:35:54.000But it takes a kind of bravery to look at yourself accurately, too.
01:35:58.000It's a different kind of bravery, but it's still, it's a daunting thing to sort of dissolve your pre-existing notions of who you are and look at yourself with fresh lenses.
01:36:09.000Have your daughters helped you access that vulnerability about yourself?
01:36:14.000Anytime you're raising little people and you realize how dangerous the world is for little people, and then these little people, you love them as much as any person you've ever loved times 10 in your whole life.
01:38:31.000Like, oh, and then life just sort of like puts you through the wringer and does this good and that bad and this better and that worse.
01:38:39.000And then boom, here you are in 2020. And it made me think of the whole path of human beings rather than just the static thing that you see in front of you right now.
01:39:06.000When you have a little person and all of a sudden that person's a big person sitting across you and you're having a conversation with them, it's very surreal.
01:39:15.000Just having full-on conversations with this person that didn't even exist.
01:39:19.000Yeah, that you saw grow and get bigger.
01:39:22.000How has the quarantine changed or evolved your relationship with them?
01:39:26.000Has it brought up any new experiences?
01:39:29.000With my family and I think with all my friends, it's made everybody a little more appreciative.
01:39:35.000Made everybody appreciative of each other.
01:45:42.000And the bitches who don't, look, we have to, like, before you decide you're an Instagram fitness instructor, let's read the instructions of how to put those bands in your door.
01:45:52.000Because there's so many people out there that are putting them on the door and slapping themselves in the back.
01:45:56.000I'm noticing a lot of, not all, not all you ladies, not all, but a lot of these ladies that have fitness accounts also have, like, an OnlyFans account.
01:46:06.000Oh yeah, they're showing titties and clitty cats.
01:46:34.000Have you seen that one lady, we've talked about it before on the podcast, that makes that visual art with painting, paints eyeballs and shit on people's faces?
01:48:28.000If there's even a toe in a fucking photo, some dude comes out from the earth, like some little slithering worm, and he's like, I see a toe!
01:48:36.000That's why Andy Letterman is so funny.
01:48:37.000All of her pictures, she has her feet in them, and they're all pixelated.
01:48:41.000Yeah, now she can have an OnlyFans account where that bitch can retire.
01:48:44.000If you're a woman in this climate and you don't have anything to do, retire on your butthole.
01:49:26.000Because, for one, the fitness thing, for sure, it's inspiring girls to want to look like her and do this and 10 lunges and this and that and that.
01:49:40.000But when you dip into the world of here's my naked pictures for X amount a month, then you're in a different realm.
01:49:46.000Because then the other girls that are just like the fitness girls who are just, they're really expressly trying to motivate women to get fit and they're showing all these exercises and every day they're doing crunches and telling you to push it and keep going and don't quit.
01:49:58.000One time I thought about quitting, but I didn't.
01:50:09.000Can you have a girl who's like a really motivating fitness girl who's got like the abs and like the midriff showing and wearing the yoga pants and looking like a badass?
01:50:21.000I think you can have it, but you have to be honest about it.
01:50:54.000There should be, but a lot of bitches are hating.
01:50:56.000Well, hating bitches should focus their hate into something that can benefit them.
01:51:01.000Cindy's over here just working on her lunges and trying to put together a good program for you, and Debbie's showing her whole asshole for five dollars.
01:51:09.000Look, my ball would be much more expensive.
01:51:11.000And Cindy's so fucking mad at Debbie, that whore!
01:55:59.000Well, I think either they were punishing her or because of the contract negotiations, they didn't want her to be a major part of the show where she could hold the show up.
01:56:07.000So they said, look, you got to have one scene and we could delete it if we wanted to.
01:56:44.000It should be an app where every time you piss yourself at a comedy show, you can click it and you'd like to see which person makes women piss themselves the most.
01:57:38.000Yeah, I think people are going to be weirded out.
01:57:40.000Despite all these studies that have come out, and people keep sending me more and more articles that are being written saying that this is not as dangerous as the flu.
01:58:21.000And it sucks that it's targeting old people, and it sucks that it's targeting obesity seems to be the number one thing they said in New York City.
01:58:27.000There was a number one thing that the patients that had the roughest times with it had in common.
01:58:31.000I mean, obesity, that's like number two killer.
02:00:43.000If you are there for your kid and the kid never does drugs, never holds someone hostage with a machine gun and a Coke deal gone bad, of all those things that Joey's done...
02:00:54.000If everything goes great, your kid never does those things.
02:00:57.000You're not breastfeeding on time all the time with that kid.
02:04:16.000If you look at the size of the testicles of chimpanzees, there's a direct correlation between the size of their nuts and then how promiscuous the females are.
02:04:27.000Because if the females are hoes, their balls just keep getting bigger and bigger.
02:04:29.000These dirty bitches are out there fucking everybody and I'm going to fuck them better and they're just building up bigger and bigger loads.
02:06:30.000Because if having Mozart play for your growing baby makes them a little bit more able to be intelligent and make smarter choices, maybe it can sort of help people just get pregnant quicker.
02:06:43.000When I was a kid, I was one of the first generations of people that had a Walkman, okay?
02:06:48.000So when I was working out, I was going to the gym.
02:06:52.000Back in, like, the fuckin' 80s, alright, when I was in high school and I was wrestling, I would have a cassette player.
02:09:09.000The only reason I know about it is because with research with Alzheimer's, they say when the Alzheimer's patients reach a certain level or even just early on in their diagnosis, that music can help alleviate some of the stresses and anxieties that are associated with the disease.
02:09:23.000And because it activates the parts of the brain, most of the parts of the brain, that it is thought to be a therapy for people who have Alzheimer's.
02:14:30.000There's something with gypsies where when women bleed, I think it's called gaja or something like that, where when they bleed, traditionally people leave them alone and they stay in their cabin or wherever they're living and everyone just leaves them alone during that week.
02:14:44.000If someone brings up gypsies, I think of two things.
02:16:38.000It's very difficult to go, this is the result of that.
02:16:42.000The cause and effect is a little cloudy there.
02:16:44.000You know what I think, and this is just one of the times, I think of this sometimes, I'm not married to this, but I think that you have the possibility that To occasionally get these glimpses of maybe senses that are evolving in human beings.
02:17:02.000You can call it some connection you have with somebody, especially with someone you really love, like your family or loved ones or someone you really care about and you think about them and then they call.
02:17:12.000It's almost like, man, is there some sort of a connection?
02:17:16.000Between people that just comes in and out.
02:17:24.000But it also might be that there's some weird, hard to define, impossible to measure connection that we all share with each other.
02:17:32.000I think it's a beautiful way to look at it.
02:17:34.000I thought about that one day when I was just, you know...
02:17:38.000Thinking about my dad, I was traveling and it made me think about thoughts and how thoughts are almost like messages we send out into the universe to just let somebody else know they're not alone and maybe they grab them through some way, through some realm or portal.
02:18:06.000He sent me a message, and it was while my dad was sick, and I was just, you know, very...
02:18:10.000I was upset about it, and John was just like, you know, I went through the same thing that you did.
02:18:14.000I want to let you know that hearing is one of the last senses to go when people are sick, just so you know that your dad can still hear you.
02:18:22.000I had been afraid to call my dad during this whole process because I didn't want to know what he had forgotten.
02:18:28.000John sent me that message on a Sunday.
02:18:31.000And because he sent me that message, it made me think about my dad.
02:18:36.000And I was like, you know, I haven't called him in so long.
02:19:30.000My sister calls me about 20 minutes later.
02:19:34.000My dad passed away right after the nurse went in to tell him that.
02:19:39.000And I can consider that a coincidence.
02:19:41.000Sure, we can chalk it up to a coincidence.
02:19:43.000Or it could be what you're speaking about, where there is some sort of deep connection that we have that we can't Express or articulate with words.
02:19:54.000Even though these words that were sent to me are the thing that motivated me to talk to my dad, there's something to the effect that maybe there's something mystical going on.
02:20:03.000Maybe there's something that we're not meant to explain.
02:20:05.000Maybe the problem is the word mystical.
02:20:07.000The problem is that we're looking at it like it's some sort of a magic thing.
02:20:10.000And we're calling bullshit because so many people pretend to have it and don't.
02:20:14.000And there's no real science to sort of back it up.
02:20:18.000And there's also been, like, the amazing Randy's put out a reward where James Randy, I think it's a million dollars if you can prove any psychic ability, and no one's been able to win it.
02:20:26.000Well, how do you prove things of the brain?
02:20:39.000He doesn't want the curtain behind it.
02:20:40.000He would entertain it with a scientific perspective.
02:20:43.000But if you're looking at something like an emerging characteristic of human beings, for instance, we know that we used to be single-celled organisms.
02:20:53.000It's very unlikely that during the time we were single-celled organisms, we could talk.
02:20:57.000Or we could feel or we could do interpretive dance.
02:20:59.000No one was writing books on a single-celled organism.
02:21:02.000So as these single-celled organisms become multi-celled organisms, become human beings, things are getting more and more complex and more and more skills and more and more senses and more and more of an ability to manipulate their environment.
02:21:15.000And I think that it only makes sense that there could be some non-local connection that we have to each other.
02:21:24.000Some way without just touching or talking or through visual.
02:21:28.000There's some sort of a connection that we have with each other that we just haven't evolved yet.
02:24:09.000Yeah, if you don't love yourself, why would anyone else?
02:24:11.000That's where the breakdown in the chain is.
02:24:13.000This whole podcast we've been talking about trauma and pain and along that lifetime, what determines one person becoming a Joe Rogan or a Joey Diaz or even somebody who goes on to become a politician or doctor, whatever it is.
02:24:28.000What determines them going from that direction to people who are committing crimes?
02:27:21.000Maybe the silver lining is that we're getting a little bit of a taste of what a real, you know, more devastating global pandemic looks like.
02:27:29.000And that's going to be the deciding factor on our preparations for something in the future occurring.
02:27:34.000Yeah, they didn't know, but now they do.
02:27:36.000So now that they do, there better be plans in place for all those other possibilities, like the super volcano, like the asteroid impacts.
02:27:45.000We better reintroduce the pandemic department and get those fuckers their job back.
02:27:49.000Well, we don't even know if they really went away.
02:28:18.000We should be careful, but we should also be grateful.
02:28:20.000I think the silver lining hopefully will be us learning how to prepare a little bit more and not argue and debate over these stupid things that don't fucking matter.
02:28:35.000Right, but I think the reason why we're going on and on about stupid shit was because we didn't have something like this, because life was too easy.
02:29:30.000Well, we need to know what's important, and I think now we have a better sense of it.
02:29:34.000So the real question is whether or not we can learn.
02:29:37.000Because people are good at adjustments when they have to make adjustments, but then when things slide back, they get this sort of the thing we were talking about earlier, where you don't want to look at all the possibilities because you will freak out, especially if you're doing edibles.
02:30:20.000Right, because then we're just back at square one.
02:30:23.000Well, if you look at the history of people, we're doing way better now than we were before, right?
02:30:30.000There's obviously been some peaks and valleys and some mistakes, and we're also aware that you can kind of navigate the future intelligently.
02:30:38.000And if you navigate the future intelligently, you make less and less mistakes.
02:30:42.000I think we just now have to reassess the nature of our momentum, the nature of the society that we're creating and what we're trying to do.
02:30:50.000And also the impact that we're having.
02:30:53.000I know this is not sustainable for people to not work and stay home for months.
02:32:20.000Coyotes and rattlesnakes and occasionally they have jaguars.
02:32:23.000You know, that's one of the rare places in North America outside of Mexico that we occasionally see jaguars.
02:32:29.000Yeah, they have jaguars that have been spotted on trail cams.
02:32:32.000And the biologists, these wildlife biologists, watch it very carefully because there's never been a really strong, at least there's no real history of a really strong supply of jaguars in this country.
02:32:43.000It's primarily a Central and South American animal, as well as a Mexican animal.
02:32:48.000Is it something that got loose from Joe Exotics Park?
02:32:50.000No, it's a real fucking Jaguar that made its way from Mexico.
02:32:53.000I mean, its habitat is just deteriorating and it's cruising around Arizona.
02:34:41.000But I think there's a really interesting theory about why that is.
02:34:45.000And the theory is that the more people take a psychedelic drug, the more their experience and who they are becomes a part of the psychedelic experience for the next person who does it.
02:34:55.000Whoa, it goes back to that consciousness.
02:34:56.000Right, so when these people are tripping on ayahuasca in a place where they've been tripping on ayahuasca for 10,000 years, they see things that these people who've tripped before them were terrified of, like snakes and jaguars and fucking dragons that come from the sky.
02:35:49.000Whenever you're dealing with anything, whether it's mushrooms or any LSD. Anything that affects the brain.
02:35:55.000If someone's offering you some incredibly potent thing, and you don't have a chain of command, you don't have a lab this came from, you don't know.
02:36:03.000When you get into the world of psychedelic drugs, it becomes very fucking weird.
02:36:59.000MDMA has helped a lot of soldiers and MAPS is currently working on some studies doing that, but also people that have taken psychedelic mushrooms have had great relief from some of the pain that they've had when they were younger because it kind of can rewire the way your brain works.
02:37:13.000Now, what's fucked up about it is this book is Chaos.
02:37:17.000Greg Fitzsimmons buddy wrote it, Tom O'Neil, and he came in and he worked on this book for 20 years.
02:37:23.000I've talked about it too many times, so I'll give you the cliff notes.
02:37:28.000It's all about the 60s and the CIA doing LSD studies and giving LSD to hippies, giving LSD to people to try to change their memory, giving LSD to people to try to make them do things and have no memory of it after they did it.
02:37:42.000There's a connection between the CIA's LSD study and Jack Ruby, the guy who killed Lee Harvey Oswald and shot him in that iconic photograph.
02:37:49.000Sirhan Sirhan, the guy who killed Robert F. Kennedy.
02:37:52.000All these guys are connected to this psychedelic study, including Charles Manson.
02:37:56.000I mean, if there's ever a face of someone who's doing drugs...
02:37:59.000They ran a clinic in the 1960s until this book came out.
02:38:04.000CIA ran a fucking free clinic in Haight-Ashbury, and it closed down three months after this book came out.
02:38:16.000Well, they were giving people some sort of psychedelic therapy, or they were studying them and giving them psychedelics, or they were doing something.
02:39:02.000But if you listen to the audio book or you read the book, and the book has like 60 pages of citations and references explaining all the stuff that is absolutely provable about what he's saying.
02:40:31.000They had whorehouses that the CIA ran and dosed the Johns up with acid.
02:40:34.000They thought they were going in to get laid, and they had a two-way mirror, and these guys would be like fucking sipping tea, watching these people take acid and have sex with prostitutes.
02:40:45.000This is what happens when people get control.
02:40:47.000When people get power and control, you can justify almost anything.
02:40:51.000One of the things you can justify is you can justify taking a guy who's just looking to get his dick sucked and you put him in a situation where you're dosing him up with acid.
02:41:47.000That's such an abuse of power and really an invasion of rights.
02:41:52.000It's just, well, if you give people power and you don't have anybody standing over them and tells them what to do, and especially if you're doing something in secret, right?
02:42:00.000If you're doing things in secret, did you ever hear that famous Kennedy speech about secret societies?
02:42:07.000It's really interesting because he was struggling with the CIA and a bunch of other secret sort of institutions and government back then and secret societies.
02:42:16.000And he was talking about how abhorrent it is to withhold information, how dangerous it is.
02:42:21.000But this is sort of one of the reasons why it makes sense.
02:42:25.000Like, if you give people the power, just experiment on these young kids.
02:42:47.000Yeah, this is one of the things in the book that Jamie was freaked out about.
02:42:50.000He claimed to have achieved the impossible.
02:42:52.000He knew how to replace true memories with false ones and human beings without their knowledge.
02:42:56.000Well, I mean, most memories are false, but that's demonic.
02:43:00.000Without detailing the specific incidents, he put it in layman's terms,"...has been found to be feasible to take the memory of a definite event in the life of an individual and, through hypnotic suggestion, bring about subsequent conscious recall to the effect that this event never actually took place,
02:43:15.000but that a different fictional event actually did occur." He had done it, he claimed, by administering new drugs effective in speeding the induction of the hypnotic state and in deepening the trance that can be produced in given subjects.
02:43:30.000It sounds like whoever did hypnosis on you did the opposite of that.
02:44:02.000The National Security Archives in Washington, D.C. I found the version of the...
02:44:07.000Psychophysiological studies of hypnosis and suggestibility that the CIA turned over to Senators Kennedy and Inouye in 1977. West's name and affiliation were redacted as expected, but the CIA's version Was also shorter and watered down in comparison.
02:44:26.000This is because he found two different documents.
02:44:28.000He found one in the CIA's warehouse, and then he found another one that was the one that had been redacted.
02:44:37.000This one was five, including a cover page.
02:44:40.000Most glaringly, there was no mention of West's triumphant accomplishment, the replacement of the memory of a definite event in the life of an individual with a fictional event.
02:44:50.000Had a different account that showed that he could change people's memories, and then the one that was all redacted and edited didn't have that in it.
02:44:56.000And these are people who are still, there are still people who are like that, who are running government and who are in politics, who are in charge of passing laws like that.
02:45:51.000I know of people, I know of people, multiple people that have had real problems.
02:45:56.000I think there's some people that have a sort of a slippery grasp on reality in the first place, and then they start smoking a little weed, getting a little too crazy with it.
02:46:57.000Well, I know they definitely have taken prisoners and convinced the prisoner that they committed a crime that they couldn't possibly have committed.
02:52:05.000But what would you do, seriously, if you walked in and his back was to you and he just turned around and he was like shaking a martini and he looked at you, you'd run away?
02:53:33.000If you think that you can't be mocked for doing that, someone can't ask you a question because you did say that you didn't want to be on a plane with all those demons.
02:53:42.000That's why he has a private plane, because the regular people are demons.
02:54:18.000If there's a graph of like worst ever preacher to best ever preacher, somewhere along the line, there's got to be a really good person that's a preacher that really is following the word of Christ and is doing it the right way.
02:54:29.000And if they do get money, they are giving it away to charity.
02:55:17.000It's just, it's another level of religion that I don't quite understand and my mind can't grasp it because it feels like it's teetering a little bit further away from religion and going into something else, another realm that is the opposite of what religion's meant to be.
02:59:04.000But you also respect your boundaries and you aren't afraid to be like, this is my space, I don't need you in it, but with a smile.
02:59:12.000Well, in this town especially, there's so many people that weasel in and try to weasel into your circle and be your friend and then start asking for things.
02:59:24.000It's like all of a sudden someone's hanging around that's friends with this guy and sees you places and then he wants to get your phone number and then he wants to talk to you about a project.
02:59:31.000There's so many of them out here that are trying to hustle their way into people's lives.
02:59:36.000But don't you think, like, I don't know about you, but I see them come a mile away.
02:59:39.000Yeah, you do, but they're still around.
02:59:41.000Like, in this town, especially when I was doing television stuff, like, oh my god, television stuff is littered with these people because it's all about, like, making these connections with each other and the relationships that you have with studios and producers.
02:59:56.000Like, everybody's sort of, like, working around.
02:59:58.000So it's like, everybody's like, can you introduce me to Tom?
03:01:26.000It's like, I think, to paraphrase it and butcher it, I think the idea is that you are, like, using this shell and then you have this thing that's inside of you that really has come from, like, other galaxies and it was released here and now it's trapped inside your body or some fucking wacky shit.
03:02:10.000Yeah, you sitting there on the couch, crisscross applesauce, bong, and every now and then you're like, oh my god, he just, hold on, shh, shh, you're like, this is so crazy.
03:03:04.000Like, can you realize, like, what he was?
03:03:05.000He was like this guy who was mentally ill who was trying to self-diagnose and then self-heal and then came up with this whole system of, like, Dianetics, this whole system of how to, like, manage your mind.
03:03:17.000And, again, for some people, it actually is effective because it gives them a structure.
03:03:22.000Well, yeah, I was going to say, maybe, you know, the silver lining to his mania is that he managed his mania and then made...
03:04:44.000I just think he's very adamant about this particular aspect of the Scientology belief system.
03:04:51.000One of the things is they don't believe in psychiatric drugs.
03:04:55.000I'm pretty sure they don't believe in any of those, right?
03:04:58.000But the conversation is so interesting.
03:05:01.000I wonder if you did a personality trait test of the people who are followers of the Scientology religion, what the common denominator is amongst them.
03:05:10.000Dude, you really want to see something amazing?
03:05:11.000You've got to see Tom Cruise's graduation speech.
03:05:14.000What was that one where he stood on the podium and they gave him the most amazing man of all time medal?
03:05:19.000They gave him a medal, like a gold medal.
03:05:21.000It's the size of a fucking hubcap and it's hanging around his neck like Flava Flav.
03:05:30.000So the head guy of Scientology, that guy gets in front of him, they salute each other because they're in the fucking army!
03:05:38.000They hug like in a crazy like they both probably came there and then Tom Cruise goes up they give him this gigantic dinner plate of a medal And this is like a pump-up speech.
03:05:51.000It's like a pump-up speech that was like a Scientology thing.
03:06:54.000How much could they convince you if you had to live like a Scientologist?
03:06:58.000If you just said, look, I'm going to do a thought experiment, and I'm going to study all their work, and I'm going to be non-critical about all this, and I'm going to live my life, and I'm going to do it for three years.
03:07:12.000Do you think people have tried to do that probably just like for fun on their own because they're so bored and just thought like well what would happen if they did and like what happens if they get caught?
03:09:50.000I mean, if we're talking about there being some sort of realm of consciousness and things existing outside of the physical world, there's some bad juju in that fucking car.
03:09:57.000That guy was killed by the feds and they burned his family alive.
03:10:29.000I think if there's ever been some sort of situation where people are armed up, look at Ruby Ridge.
03:10:33.000There's a bunch of situations in history where they decided to put their fucking boots on the back of someone's neck because they wanted to let that person know they're not going to resist.
03:10:43.000And that's one of the things that people do when they're in a position of power.
03:11:18.000This platform is built off of lobbyists and people who have invested interest.
03:11:23.000How do you commit to your own decision and have faith in it?
03:11:28.000You must have to lose yourself in order to be able to make those decisions.
03:11:33.000But then how are you able to make decisions without yourself being connected to it?
03:11:37.000Then you also have to deal with criticism because you have to be able to address people's concerns.
03:11:40.000So you have to take some criticism and that's probably nonsensical and angry and ridiculous and then some of it that actually is constructive and makes sense.
03:11:49.000Who do you think was the president who handled that the best?
03:12:29.000I feel like when other presidents have spoke, just from my...
03:12:32.000I don't really know a lot about politics or claim to be an expert, but when Donald speaks or other presidents before Obama, it caused anxiety.
03:12:45.000Behavior around it, like the way they spoke was very, I don't know, stress-inducing, but Obama was kind of velvety.
03:12:51.000He had a way of delivering things and...
03:12:54.000He felt like he was a guy you could actually hang out with.
03:12:57.000Like, I remember seeing him on Bourdain's show, they were in Vietnam, eating and drinking beer, and I'm watching and I was like, that motherfucker can just hang out.
03:13:04.000Yeah, like he could walk into any room and make it his room.
03:13:08.000But he can hang out in a way that I don't think Trump can hang out.
03:13:11.000Trump's got to be the center of attention.
03:13:29.000Talk about different ethnic foods and different cultures that cook in a different way.
03:13:33.000It seemed like when Obama spoke, he felt like he was in the moment and present.
03:13:39.000Like he was aware of what he had to deliver, but was also aware of the way he was delivering it.
03:13:45.000Trump seems like he's always someplace else.
03:13:47.000Yeah, and Obama's, I mean, there was a lot of bad policies that were passed during the Obama administration, particularly when it comes to whistleblowers.
03:13:54.000They were one of the worst on whistleblowers ever.
03:13:56.000And there's also some real erosions of freedom of speech and of surveillance.
03:14:25.000You're ruling over people and a lot of different types of people and in so many different laws and states.
03:14:32.000It's a lot to keep under control and then you have to worry about the types of people who are, you know, on the lower levels of politics and how they're making decisions.
03:14:41.000You gotta worry about the type of people that want to be president, too.
03:15:03.000Because I think he read the briefings, and I think he cared, and I think he probably worked some fucking ungodly amount of hours, and I think it probably freaked him out once he got in there and realized how dangerous the world really is.
03:15:13.000People have wondered, why did he not do what he said he was going to do during his campaign?
03:15:17.000Why did he change a lot of that once he got into office?
03:15:20.000And one of the thoughts is, well, they say a lot of things because they don't really give a fuck.
03:15:24.000They just want to get in there, and once they get in there, they're like, trust me, I'm a good guy.
03:15:26.000Once I get in there, I'll be fine, but I've got to lie to you and say there's all the stuff that I'm going to do that I know I can never do.
03:15:31.000The other thing that people say is when you get in there, then they change your perspective, and they show you the briefings, they show you all the terrorist activities, they show you all the danger in the world, and you realize, like, oh, my God.
03:15:42.000And you're responsible for making the right calls to zig and zag and make sure you avoid all the fucking trees on the way down the hill.
03:16:04.000You're not who you said you were going to be when you were running for president.
03:16:08.000I bet a big factor is the access to information and then the talking to the top intelligence agencies and then all the people that are lifetime in White House, in Washington, and they can let you know how everything really works.
03:16:24.000And then all you're really doing, because if you look at the span of a lifetime and then a span of a president being in office, if he gets re-elected, there's so many things for you to address that...
03:16:35.000How do you even get to doing all of the things on your daily to-dos?
03:16:40.000You end up spending more time talking about the policies as opposed to actually putting them into play.
03:16:46.000It's so hard to check all those boxes.
03:16:48.000Well, that's the case with, I think, all kinds of government.
03:16:50.000And that's one of the reasons why I'm very patient about this whole reopening the government thing.
03:16:57.000Not that I don't think we should do it eventually, but I look at it like a battleship.
03:17:01.000And I think, I don't think this battleship can make quick turns.
03:17:06.000I mean, I think it shut off real quick and freaked everybody out, and there's been a lot of crazy adjustment.
03:17:13.000But I think the battleship is still turning really slowly.
03:17:17.000And to get it to a point where you're going to maneuver it into the harbor because you're back to work again...
03:17:44.000It's probably not as bad as they thought it could be or would be or were worried that it would be, but maybe it still needs to be something that we need to stay away from.
03:17:54.000I think if it doesn't turn out to be as bad as everyone thought...
03:17:59.000Then we're learning that something worse is going to come and we need to...
03:18:04.000We're learning if something worse comes.
03:18:06.000Yes, if and when something worse comes, that we need to improve our equipment supplies and our standard mode of protocol and how we're reacting to these things in a system level.
03:18:34.000But no, but they still have done it for over a month, which is a crazy thing.
03:18:38.000To tell people to not go anywhere and not go to work for a month and most people comply, that's pretty fucking amazing.
03:18:46.000This is the first thing I've done in quarantine that was outside of just walking my dogs and maybe going to the grocery store with my man once in a while.
03:21:44.000But the one thing I realized in this quarantine, because I've sat more in the fan seat because I'm not performing as much, so I'm experiencing it from the other side and how important your show and your podcast is to the fabric of society.
03:22:05.000You are important because of the very subject matters that you have on this show.
03:22:09.000Well, sometimes I can get lucky and get a guy like Michael Osterholm on and that was the guy that alerted everybody to how bad this was really going to be.
03:23:07.000You have an unbiased approach to who you have on and it's just a wide spectrum of information and it's a great place for people to have an area where they can come and learn from things they may not really agree with.
03:23:21.000Where I'm really lucky is that there's something that I'm doing that reaches this insane number of people but also has no one telling me how to do it.
03:23:47.000I mean, what about these authors you've had on?
03:23:48.000Believe me, I have friends who are doing their podcasts with a professional production group and they're having these kind of conversations.
03:23:53.000Fuck And they're saying, they go, dude, I feel like I'm working on a TV show.
03:24:13.000The only way I'm going to be interested in what you're talking about is if you're actually interested in it.
03:24:18.000If you're talking about some shit, I mean, you could be talking about playing the piano.
03:24:21.000I don't know jack shit about playing the piano, but if you're really into it and I hear people talk about it, I get fascinated.
03:24:27.000I was listening to this conversation about Go, about playing that game Go and how complex that game is and about this is one of the reasons why that deep blue computer beating Go Beating a really top-level world champion Go player is so extraordinary because this is an incredibly creative game that's really complicated.
03:24:46.000And I don't know shit about Go, but I was riveted.
03:24:50.000Well, I was just riveted and you explaining it.
03:24:58.000It's a defining factor for creativity, and that's where we've got to just take control of what we want to do and just put it out there and fuck censorship and fuck what people think.
03:25:07.000If you're passionate about it, then that's all that matters.
03:25:10.000Jesse May, tell everybody about your show.
03:25:12.000Oh, it's called Sharp Tongue Podcast, and I talk about a lot of shits, things I like to listen to and like to talk about, subjects that matter to me.
03:25:20.000Will you consider my offer to do that simulcast while a bong?